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- [Child] Reality Films.

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- My name's Donald M Ware, I was born in Richmond, Virginia,

raised in Arlington.

I attended Duke University.

I got a first degree in mechanical engineering in 1957,

and commissioned into the Air Force the same day

through the ROTC program.

I didn't know whether I wanted to be an engineer,

or an Air Force officer,

so I took a one-year delayed active duty

and went to North American Aviation for 10 months,

and decided I'd rather fly the airplanes

instead of working on them.

I was working on the F-100 flight test program

heat and vent system,

and so I kind of lucked out when I got into pilot training,

because I put my name in the pot for 100's,

and we only had three 100 slots in the class,

and I got one of them.

So, after 10 years of flying fighters,

they were gonna convert me to F-111's.

This pin, this rather strange pin that I wear,

is probably, describes one of the most important things,

going on on this planet right now.

I think these little guys are Zeta Reticulans,

that, many many of the abductees, UFO abductees,

see in their secret nightlife,

if you want to call it that.

And I'm absolutely convinced,

from everything I've seen over the past 52 years,

that there is a long-term program

to upgrade our biological computer.

Anybody who knows anything about computers,

knows you have to upgrade your computer every now and then.

I think we're getting a bigger hard drive,

a faster chip, and a new USB port for telepathy.

And let me show you what I think you get

when you combine the genes

of these two species.

I think this is, although not named by Time magazine,

but this Homo alterios spacialis,

higher human from space,

and these are our offspring,

our children that have to be hidden from us,

until the consciousness of our neighbors changes,

and is willing to accept them.

This picture was shown to millions and millions

of people on ABC.

They didn't say anything about it,

but they put this picture into the consciousness

of Americans at least, and eventually the world, I think.

One more time.

You know you have to be somebody special

to get your face on the cover of Time magazine.

This is a promo issue, 23 June, 1997,

for the Roswell 50th anniversary,

Roswell crash 50th anniversary.

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Certainly there is a coverup,

and all UFO researchers recognize that Project Blue Book,

the most public coverup,

was just the government's public relations agency.

They did announce to the world they wanted to know

about our UFO sightings as stuff,

but the cases that were really worthwhile,

and could not be explained away

by some natural or manmade object,

were not investigated by Blue Book,

they were passed on to the real investigators.

And I'm convinced that

the US Office of Naval Intelligence

was the office of primary responsibility

for ground activities associated with the alien presence.

And the reason is,

because their bases were in Navy territory,

not in Air Force territory,

although we see them more in the air,

these things could come and go

from the air down to the water, no problem.

Read books like

Wendell Stevens' book,

Contact From Undersea.

It's a very interesting story,

it was 1979 when

Filiberto Cardenas was pulled up

a blue beam in broad daylight with three of his friends,

taken to a little island.

This wall opens up, he gets into a little flying saucer,

and he goes out over the water very fast,

down through the water.

The water didn't touch the vehicle,

ended up in a garage down there,

where there were a bunch of flying saucers and stuff.

And the head alien down there told him

there were 700 working out of that base,

and there are lots of other bases underground and undersea.

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That first time I just saw red lights,

that were about as bright as Venus would be

at its brightest, maybe a minus 4.5 magnitude,

but they were wandering around in random oceans,

and obviously not aircraft or celestial objects.

And my thought was, gee is this what I read about

last Sunday morning in the newspaper,

because the Washington Star

had 'flying saucers' in the headlines.

So nothing more was happening,

so I, after about 10 minutes of watching,

so I went on to bed, it was approaching midnight by then.

I got up early the next morning to get the newspaper,

and sure enough, again, second Sunday morning in a row,

the words 'flying saucers' was in the headlines.

The aliens put on a demonstration to the exent

that the media could not ignore it,

and the government couldn't cover it up.

Let me get back to that earlier question.

Can you imagine any president,

whether it be, Bush or Clinton or whatever,

standing before the public and saying,

yes, I am aware that we have this joint program

with some aliens,

to upgrade our biological computers,

to build better bodies to house our souls

in future incarnations.

And we are picking up your daughters, and your wives,

and we're taking their eggs,

we're splicing in the right genes.

Some are a subspecies that look more like us,

and their human mothers are allowed to raise them,

but those that don't look enough like us

to fit in with our society are taken

at three to three and a half months,

they're about that long.

We put them in artificial wombs,

then we pick up the mothers again,

and we take them in and allow them to hold them

within their aura, to nurture them.

We pick up the grandmothers sometimes for the same purpose.

He said, they can't talk about things like that.

If any president made that kind of statement,

then, because they pick them up,

and they'd have to put the altered egg in there,

and they pick them up again.

He wouldn't be able to do the job we hired him to do.

The media would hound him to death.

It would be ridiculous.

So I understand the reasons for the secrecy.

I spent 26 years in the Air Force,

and I know if the government has a secret

they really want to keep,

they don't admit that they have a secret.

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Okay, I was fortunate,

I had a chance to talk to Peter Jennings

for his ABC special,

and the first question he asked me was,

what caused you to be interested in this subject?

When I was 16 years old,

I was walking down the street in Arlington, Virginia,

and saw seven red-light type UFO's over Washington,

that made headlines around the world.

And since then I have seen eight alien vehicles

on eight occasions.

It was that, just that, three seconds,

"alien vehicles on eight occasions,"

that got on the ABC special.

But that started me to become a true seeker,

on 26 July, 1952.

I read everything I could find about UFO's,

and the alien presence, since then.

At 17, I went to Duke,

read everything in their library on the subject.

American Rocket Society had the most interesting stuff.

Went to the Air Force, 26 years as a fighter pilot,

staff scientist, teacher, program manager.

Got a masters in Nuclear Engineering,

retired at age 47,

with 100% of my time to do whatever I wanted to do,

and enough money to do it.

So the day after I retired officially,

I became a field investigator

and state section director for MUFON, for five counties,

in western Florida.

The next year I became state director for Florida.

In '89, I was elected to be the eastern regional director

of MUFON, overseeing the investigative activities

in 18 eastern states.

Then in '93, I became a director of the

International UFO Congress.

Since '82, I have been attending six conferences a year,

on the average, of many different types,

that involved expanding consciousness and UFO's.

Things like International Transpersonal

Association conferences,

in Killarney, Ireland,

noetic sciences conferences,

international conferences on science and consciousness,

and I heard about these things called

State of the World Forums,

that were put on by a fellow named Jim Garrison,

with the State of the World Forum,

who is also President of the Gorbachev Foundation USA,

and all the world leaders were coming

and basically trying to figure out

what kind of a planet we want to live on

in this 21st century.

And I never got an invitation, you had to get an invitation

to that real select group.

I was on a birding trip in Attu Island,

because I'm a serious birder,

and I was discussing government affairs

in the evening hours when we weren't out birding,

with a gentleman from Point Reyes,

who is also interested in government affairs,

and I told him about the State of the World Forums,

and he'd never heard of them.

It was some miracle I think that caused an invitation

for him to attend the State of the World Forum,

the sixth and last one, held in New York City

in conjunction with the UN Millennium Summit,

to be in his mailbox.

And he didn't want to go and he knew I did,

and he just put it in the mail and said,

why don't you go in my stead?

So, when the package got there,

he filled out the registration form,

and there's a place for title,

and I put, Director, International UFO Congress.

When I got there I was quite impressed.

There were about 1500 people trying to figure out

the best ways to manage globalization

so that the selfish didn't gobble up the meek

and destroy the environment that supports us all.

I got to participate in the round tables

on democratizing world government,

on getting more spirituality into the United Nations,

and that kind of thing.

Actually when it came my turn to talk

in that World Governance Conference,

I suggested the people trying to decide

how to get from where we are

to a democratically elected world government,

ought to read three books.

And I mentioned Timothy Good's book, Above Top Secret,

because it describes one or two major UFO cases

in many different countries,

and how that government reacted to it.

And I said they should read Bud Hopkins' book, Witness,

because this is a very good description

of not UFO's coming here and saying, take me to your leader,

but UFO's coming here and taking

the Secretary General of the United Nations,

and putting a guilt trip on him,

for humanity polluting the oceans.

And the third book was called,

it was actually Paper 72, in the book called,

the Urantia book, A Revelation for Humanity,

published in 1955, on 2096 pages.

The title of the paper was,

Government on a Neighboring Planet,

and it said at the end, the reason they gave us that,

was because there were ideas expressed there,

that would be useful on our planet at this time.

Well that conference, being an attendee,

allowed me to put a webpage

on the exclusive State of the World Forum website,

only accessible to those people who attended

the six State of the World Forums,

which includes most of the heads of state.

It apparently got the attention of the president,

because about a year later I received a phone call

from his vice president,

saying, Jim Garrison would like to speak with you,

and I said it's gonna have to be this afternoon,

or three weeks from now, because I'm going to Thailand,

and three weeks later, they called at the appointed time.

A lovely lady named Carmen Milendra said,

well unfortunately Jim got called out this morning,

and she talked to me for about an hour

about all the wild things,

the ideas that I've acquired at all these conferences,

and so I started sending her emails,

and occasionally some of the papers that I had

written over the many years,

and she told me later that she was forwarding

all these to Jim Garrison,

and it's papers about telepathic communications,

and UFO phenomenon,

and one was on transformation;

spiritual, physical, and political.

I'd written papers on PAZ, the world government,

all the subjects related to the UFO phenomenon,

that I'd studied one at a time,

and I'd spoken on for a year, then written a paper on.

And he must have not been

too disturbed by what I was saying because,

he sent me an email invitation

in, I think it was May of 2003,

to be one of the 150 people

invited to the Brussels Conference, 18 to 20, June, '93.

The title of that conference was,

National Sovereignty and World Challenges:

Choices For the World After Iraq.

I was to attend as the Director

of the International UFO Congress,

which I thought was kind of interesting,

when you see the titles of all those other 150 participants.

The conference was chaired by Georges Berthoin,

who from 1975 to 1992 was the European Chairman

of the Trilateral Commission.

The speakers were people like

Air Marshall Sir Timothy Garden,

who is the head of the Royal Institute

for International Affairs,

that's similar to our Council of Foreign Relations

in the United States.

And Pat Cox,

the head of the European parliament, I guess.

Just lots of other interesting people.

The President of the International Chamber of Commerce,

and James Woolsey and,

really neat folks.

So, unfortunately,

well they were sending me background information

that said, well after World War I,

we formed the League of Nations.

That, to keep peace in the world, and that didn't work,

so after World War II we formed the United Nations,

and that didn't work.

Now that we've had the first two battles

of world war three, meaning Afghanistan and Iraq.

So obviously the Security Council

can't maintain peace in the world,

and NATO can't even maintain peace in NATO,

it's time for a change,

and they were talking about something called,

Community of Nations,

and I had a prior commitment on those dates

that I just could not break.

As much as I wanted to go to that conference,

I told him, I'm sorry,

I just can't break the commitment,

and so he said, no problem.

Why don't you make your input by email?

So I did,

and I was really, I felt honored, when after the conference,

he sent me a draft of the output document,

and asked for my comment on the draft.

The draft title was, Integral Governance Initiative,

and it outlined, or described

the 20 most important problems of the world.

I think they decided they're so critical

they don't have time to even rewrite the charter

of the United Nations to be able to effectively

address those problems,

so they're gonna do it, one problem at a time,

with the same technique that they used

on the landmine ban treaty.

Lord Axworthy, the Foreign Minister of Canada,

with backing of the Canadian government,

in not more than about two years, got 140 nations

to sign that treaty.

So I'm excited about the works,

that State of the World Forum is now working on

to address the problems of the world.

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- The aspects I'm going to add is the

presidential involvement in the Roswell thing,

and the first president I'm gonna talk about,

is Harry Truman, and his involvement,

and I spent a number of years trying to track

where Truman was at the time,

where, how he knew all this sort of stuff,

and very little, because the presidential records

weren't kept the same as they are now,

there's a lot of blank spots,

a lot of stuff wasn't recorded.

When I came to this convention I learned a lot of stuff

that I really hadn't known yet about the timelines,

following the generals.

And the one story I've sort of added,

which is I think a critical story,

is the fact that there was a number of people,

Roswell witnesses, who claimed that they

were sworn to secrecy by the president.

So what I'd do with each of those,

I'd take the name of the person I would check it against

the presidential record.

And with the presidential record,

if you've met with the president,

if you've spoken with the president,

on the phone, or if you've corresponded with the president,

that's all recorded.

You can take you name, and see how many times this person,

and none of these people were really checking.

Then what happened was a reporter out of Florida,

who does the UFO story, is Billy Cox,

did a story about Ben Games.

Ben Games was a guy who had a PHD,

was a Major in the Air Force,

very prominent type guy.

I come forward and told him the story

that he had flown in General Craigie,

who was development of all the new aircraft, in that time,

out of Wright Patterson,

and he claimed that he had flown Craigie into Roswell,

at that particular time when this was going on,

and that Craigie had got into one of Blanchard's cars,

and had taken off and said make yourself scarce,

I'm gonna be busy,

and really didn't tell what was going on,

so Games went to the officers' mess,

heard the story of people telling about

this crash that had just taken place,

and bodies, and this sort of stuff.

And so when Craigie comes back a number of hours later,

he said well, fly me to Bolling Air Force Base.

He's gonna meet with the president.

And according to Games, Craigie never told him

what had happened, what he had been involved with,

but his boss was

General Lemay,

and there was always rumors that General Lemay

actually maybe had been at Roswell,

was very involved in this whole thing.

So anyway, so when I got this, then I was really curious,

like all these people are bing sworn to secrecy

by the president, but the presidential record

really didn't show any involvement by the president.

They had shown that the president had been

asked the UFO question, and there's only two presidents

who have actually been asked the UFO question

in a news conference, and one of them occurred

two days after the Roswell news release on July the 10th,

and the problem was, they asked the wrong question.

They asked him, have you got any insights,

and he said, only what I read in the newspaper,

and the press dropped it.

I wanted to find out, so what I did is I contacted

Tom Carey, who is one of the people

on the latest Roswell book,

and their research is just incredible.

I saw their lecture yesterday,

and only twice in 35 years have I ever had a feeling

that this thing may actually break open,

that this thing may, there may be enough evidence

to actually end the coverup,

and yesterday I had that feeling.

The other time I had that feeling,

was in 1978 when I saw Len Springfield

lecture in Dayton, Ohio,

when the first mentions of the dead alien bodies,

when he started talking about dead alien bodies.

But a very impressive sight.

I contacted Tom Carey, and I said,

well there's these witnesses who are saying

that the president swore them to secrecy,

but I can't find any record in the presidential library

that these people ever had any contact with the president.

So Tom wrote me back and said,

well it wasn't the president, it was the secret service

that was swearing people to secrecy.

So I said, well do you got any names?

So he gave me two names, and I still remember,

I went and I know how to check this,

I went to the presidential records,

and I started to check, and I can still remember

when I found it,

and it was like the shivers went up my back,

it was unbelievable.

The name he had given me was Gerald McCann,

M-C-C-A double N.

Gerald McCann had been swearing people to secrecy

in Roswell at the time,

on behalf of the President of the United States.

And sure enough, Gerald McCann was a secret service agent

from 1944, till Truman left office.

Now if you find out after that,

whether he was with Eisenhower,

you'd have to go to the Eisenhower,

but it just was unbelievable.

No witness would have been able to make up

and guess a name like that.

So that's one of the stories I'm telling here,

is this story, the Truman story,

that you get, even 60 years after,

you can find a lot of material that really

was never around that shows that

we are on the right track, this actually did happen.

The second president I talk about when I'm here,

in connection with Roswell, was Ronald Reagan.

And Ronald Reagan was fascinated with the UFO subject.

He had, that I document, two UFO sightings.

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Ronald Reagan was the type of guy, he was an actor,

he knew where to stand, he knew how to do things

with backdrops and stuff like this.

And if you remember, he went to the Berlin Wall

to make a speech.

"Gorbachev, tear down this wall."

And when he was president, he asked Steven Spielberg

to come to the White House,

and in the White House theater,

they screened ET, The Extraterrestrial.

And one of the stories, I checked this,

I went to the library and got one photograph,

they'd only released one photograph,

during that

screening.

According to a producer by the name of Jamie Chanderay,

Steven Spielberg told him in Japan,

that near the end, Reagan had leaned over and said,

I bet you there aren't six people in this whole room

that know how true this whole thing is,

and Spielberg was shocked.

And since then, a number of people, Billy Cox, myself,

numerous people have tried to contact Spielberg,

to get him to confirm this story.

Did Reagan tell you this?

And it's only in the last year that I've got

a second confirmation from,

and I haven't been told the name,

but a major Hollywood producer, who claims, yes,

he saw my website, they went to it,

and they said yes, Steven Spielberg told me the same story.

So anyway, Steven Spielberg shows this movie,

ET: The Extraterrestrial, this is in June of 1982.

Three months later,

and you'll have to remember, the Roswell book came out

in '79-'80, by Moore and Berlitz.

So the Roswell story was pretty popular back then,

and here, Ronald Reagan, three months after seeing ET,

suddenly appears at the Roswell airport,

and right in front of Hangar 84, he makes a speech.

He's speaking with Schmitt,

who was the, Harrison Schmitt,

who was the Apollo 17 astronaut,

and he makes an ET joke, he makes a joke about ET,

at the beginning of the speech.

Colin Powell, had numerous times told stories,

and he told a presidential biographer,

that Reagan was always trying to talk about ET in speeches,

and his job as security advisor,

was to try to keep the stuff out of the speeches.

This is in writing, where he said this.

So Reagan makes this speech,

in front of the Hangar 84, and it's typical Reagan.

He gets it out there, and was fascinated.

The third president I'm gonna talk about here

is I think the most important when it comes to Roswell,

and that was Bill Clinton.

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And Bill Clinton, he had a meeting,

a discussion with Paul Davis, the producer of Roswell,

and he told Paul Davis right to his face,

I'm fascinated with this stuff.

And his involvement was kind of lengthy.

What had happened there was,

at the beginning of his administration,

he was interested, and I had given a lecture

in Eureka Springs, Arkansas.

And I had a woman come up to me at the end of the lecture,

and it was one of these things where I said,

can you promise to write me?

She was an older lady,

very respectable older lady, and she said,

I can tell you why the Clintons are interested in UFO's.

And I said, well tell me.

She said, well my sister owns a famous restaurant,

that the Clintons hung out in.

And I said yeah, and she said, well,

what happened was, and I'm not sure whether it was

Bill and Hillary,

or somebody very close to Bill and Hillary,

but when they were at the restaurant they saw something.

So Bill and Hillary had this interest in UFO's,

and they got into the White House,

and as the stories have been told,

they got Webster Hubble, who worked with Hillary Clinton

at the Rose Law Firm, in Little Rock,

and he said, if I put you over there in Justice,

he made him Assistant Attorney General,

he said, if I put you over there in Justice,

I want you to do two things for me,

find out, number one, who killed JFK,

because he was fascinated with JFK,

he had thought he was the second JFK,

and he said, are there UFO's?

So he had this thing started,

where he was trying to get the information.

I had one researcher told me that he would

drag admirals into the room and say,

tell me what you know about UFO's,

and the admiral would sort of look at him like,

what planet are you from?

I don't know what's going on.

And so Clinton was interested.

And then what happened was, Lawrence Rockefeller,

who was a billionaire,

and he was the Rockefeller brother who was the humanitarian.

He was the guy was,

he had a philosophy degree from Princeton,

was very much into the ecology,

he was into paranormal phenomena, this sort of stuff.

And he decided, whoever the next president's gonna be,

whether it's Bush or whether it's Clinton,

he's going to go and get this guy to disclose.

So when Clinton gets elected,

Rockefeller makes his way to the White House,

then as he told researchers, like Bud Hopkins,

he was just gonna go tell the president,

and Bud Hopkins says, well that's not how it works,

you can't just go and tell the president to disclose.

And what happened was, he was cut off at the pass

by the science advisor.

They stuck him with the science advisor,

who was John Gibbons, Doctor John Gibbons.

And so he went into John Gibbons,

he said I think we need disclosure,

and John Gibbons because he's a big Democrat,

fundraiser, he's got lots of money,

he can't just sort of sluff this guy off.

So he said okay, well what do you want us to do?

And he said, well it's a massive conspiracy,

all this is going on,

and you gotta get to the bottom of this,

and so Gibbons, and what happened was,

during the Clinton administration,

I filed a Freedom of Information Act request,

with the office of Science and Technology Policy,

which is the office of the science advisor to the president,

and because one other researcher had filed,

Bruce McCabee, and he'd gotten 500 pages.

So I said, well I'm doing the process,

I want to see these 500 pages.

So when my request came back, I got a thousand pages,

so this whole story of what is now called

the Rockefeller Initiative,

is detailed in these thousand pages of documents.

So, this story is told in the documents,

about Rockefeller coming in,

and describing the fact that it's a massive coverup.

And Gibbons writes back to him,

and talks to him and says,

well if the conspiracy is as deep as you say it is,

and is classified as you say it is,

we'll have no chance to get to the bottom of this thing.

What we should do, is let's just take one case,

let's get that case declassified,

and then we'll go after the rest of it.

And so Rockefeller, I guess thinks about it,

and writes back and says, yeah okay, we'll take Roswell,

and that's why, in the Clinton administration,

when it first started, the Clintons put out the order,

and a lot of people say it was the Air Force,

or it was through Schiff,

but Clinton had a lot of power to green-light this study.

So the US Air Force was told

to go and reinvestigate Roswell.

So they start the investigation,

and they go and they do their thing,

and one of the things that Rockefeller had asked for,

was clearance for anybody who was going to talk,

that they wouldn't be prosecuted,

and in 1994, there was actually a document put out,

which said that anybody, a witness from Roswell,

could bypass their security clearances,

and could talk about it, and they wouldn't be prosecuted.

So they get the report, a preliminary report

for the Roswell study was put out in 1994.

The final report was put out in late 1995.

The report comes back, and Clinton gets the report.

Now this we know by sort of putting pieces together.

He goes to Belfast, Northern Ireland, and he makes a speech.

And he's lighting the Christmas tree,

this is November the 30th, 1995,

and in this speech,

there's a letter-writing competition in Ireland,

for kids to write letters to the president.

Now the two kids who won the letter-writing competition

were sitting on the stage with Bill Clinton,

but he didn't read their letter.

He read a letter,

and I went to the Clinton library

when they released the files,

two years ago, and I asked, where's this letter?

And they can't find it,

which makes me wonder whether the letter

actually was made up by the president,

and what is important to note is that

anything that goes into a presidential speech

is there for a reason.

I've studied enough presidential speeches,

I know every single word is checked.

A state of the union address will go through

30 different drafts.

Every agency has to sign off on that presidential,

so if it's in a speech, it's there for a reason.

And if you see the actual clip, when Clinton releases this,

he's reading it very carefully,

he's reading it from a script,

he's not off the top of his head.

And what happens was,

they don't read the two letters from the kids

who won the letter-writing competition,

who were sitting on the stage with Clinton,

they read a letter from Ryan.

And what Clinton says is, Ryan,

if you're out there in the audience tonight,

here's the answer to your question,

no, as far as I know,

a UFO did not crash in Roswell, New Mexico.

But if they did recover bodies,

they didn't tell me about it, and I want to know.

Now the reason he said that,

and this clip came out and nobody really picked it up,

was the first Roswell report released in 1995,

didn't talk about the bodies, had no mention of the bodies.

And what Clinton is doing,

is he's saying, I read the study,

and you didn't talk about the bodies.

You explain to me what happened, what's with the bodies?

So the Air Force goes out and does a second Roswell report.

That's why there's two Roswell reports.

So in 1997, they released a second Roswell report,

called Case Closed.

And there's the one where they talk about

dropping the dummies out of the plane,

and this the people mis-identified,

they got the dates screwed up,

and that's the explanation for the bodies.

So this report goes back and it says to Clinton,

here it is, here's the answer to your question,

here's the answer to the bodies.

And so Clinton just gives up on it,

although Rockefeller does go to the Clintons,

and he's getting frustrated,

he's going back and forth to the science advisor,

and one of the interesting things to note is,

he's always got this letter, that Rockefeller's drafting.

It's a letter on disclosure to the president,

it basically outlines what he wants to get across.

And a number of people helped him edit the letter.

One was John Gibbons, who is science advisor,

and there's actually in the presidential file,

there's actually, you can see the handwritten

notations from Gibbons on the columns,

making recommendations, change this, do that, whatever.

One of the people he'd asked to edit it was Billy Graham,

and Billy Graham didn't really want to get involved,

because he said,

I've dealt with a lot of presidents,

and I agree with your issue,

but I really don't want to get into it.

But the other person who helped edit the letter,

and we actually have a document that verifies this,

was Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton looked over this document.

So here's Hillary Clinton, the first lady,

editing a letter on UFO disclosure to the president.

And Rockefeller's getting very upset.

Every time he wouldn't get what he wanted,

he'd say okay, I think it's time

to write the letter to the president.

And then they go, oh no no, hang on,

and they would do whatever he wanted to do,

and so they tried to help him.

So in '95, I guess Rockefeller gets upset,

and he decides he's going to the president.

He wants a meeting with the president.

So, the president goes to Rockefeller's ranch,

and this is in 1995, before the 2006 campaign,

and what happens is, Clinton is seen

as sort of an elitist type guy.

He hangs out in Martha's Vineyard for his holidays,

and stuff like this.

So what they do is, they agree to send him

to the Rockefeller ranch, because it's back country,

Wyoming, and he's gonna go white water rafting,

and he's gonna go camping, and Clinton said,

like Dick Morris talks about, he hated it.

He absolutely hated it, he didn't want to go there,

he had no intention of camping and stuff like this,

it just wasn't his lifestyle,

but because they saw the swing voters in 1996,

as being people who were techie people,

or people who were into the environment,

he had to appeal to those people,

those would be the swing voters,

and that's how he had to win the election,

so he sent them there,

and Rockefeller sits down with him,

and he does a personal briefing, it's not a briefing,

but it's a citizen, and he goes through a pile of material

that was provided to him by Steven Greer,

documents and stuff like this,

and Bill and Hillary both sit and listen

to the whole thing,

they really don't say anything,

and then according to what Rockefeller

told Whitley Strieber, the next morning

Hillary came up and said, okay we've listened to you,

don't ever bring up the subject again.

And so the subject sort of dies out there,

but Clinton has talked about Rockefeller,

about Roswell a number of times,

and a couple of times he's talked about it

when the question really didn't have anything

to do with UFO's.

He was asked on a radio talk show, out of Houston,

and the more famous one is one that's

just been put on the internet, and it's still not public,

this was the one that we got Neil Gould,

who out of Hong Kong,

I've been trying to get this for a number of years,

this conversation, or it was the answer to a question.

He had been, I think it was to a bank,

he'd been giving a speech to a bank in Hong Kong,

and he had answered this question about UFO's,

and I had gone to the Clinton library,

and they sent me to the Foundation,

and the Foundation really wasn't answering my letters,

and I was trying to go.

And so this thing is not public,

it was gotten, Neil Gould went and found somebody

who was there, and they provided him a copy,

but it's still not public.

And in this, the guy asks him a question,

I guess he must have been one of the powerful people

who set the thing up, and he said,

well as I have the position to do this,

I'm gonna ask you the question.

He said, do presidents actually pass secrets

from one president to another, like you and Jimmy Carter,

or you and Bush.

Is there a set of secrets

that get passed from one president to another?

For example, where's Jimmy Hoffa's body?

Or, what happened at Roswell?

And Clinton starts laughing,

and he starts talking about this,

and he said, yes I'll tell you,

he said, you remember Roswell, you remember

the big anniversary that happened in 19,

he says 1998, but it was 1997.

Thousands of people from all over the world came there,

and people are fascinated with this,

and he said, I'll admit I actually tried to look into this,

and I tried to get the documents and stuff.

And then he starts talking about Area 51,

and he doesn't mention Area 51,

because you're still not supposed to use the term,

but what he said was,

there's a lot of people in my administration,

who thought that Roswell was garbage, that it wasn't true,

but a lot of them really believed that there was

actually an alien, and a spaceship,

at this military base in Nevada,

and he's talking about Area 51.

So he said, I actually sent someone there to check it out.

And he said,

that we found out it was just a military establishment,

where they're doing top secret Air Force work.

And then he goes again to talk about Roswell,

that he really doesn't think Roswell happened,

and he thinks there's explanations for it.

But on a couple of other occasions,

it still shows that he does know

and he's still very interested.

For example, there's the famous story about Paul Davis,

has had a long involvement with Clinton,

and Paul Davis' involvement was that his father

was a professor at Georgetown University,

and taught Bill Clinton.

So what happened in 19, this would be in

1996, Paul Davis took all the Roswell material,

he took his Roswell movie, and he took a bunch

of different stuff, the Roswell book,

and the first Roswell book,

and he sent it to the president,

and he got an overnight letter back from the president,

saying, thank you for the material,

didn't mention what the material was,

thank you, I really appreciate it, and I liked your father,

and this sort of stuff.

So this goes,

and then what happens is,

the Monica Lewinsky thing breaks out,

in late '96, '97 or whatever,

and the FBI does a study.

They do an investigation, and what they're doing,

is they're looking for a book called, Vox,

and this was the phone sex book,

that Monica Lewinsky had sent to the president.

So they're looking for this book,

and they get I guess a search

to go into the president's personal library

inside the Oval Office.

And they pull all the books,

and they put out the inventory of the books

that were in the library,

and they do find the Vox book.

And the strange thing was,

the book right next to the Vox book,

was UFO Crash at Roswell.

So Clinton had it in his personal library,

and then, so what happened was, Paul Davis,

this is going back to just last year,

Hillary Clinton's running for president,

and the latest Roswell book by Carey and Schmidt is out.

So he decides, the president's gotta read this book.

I've got to him before, and he decides

in the Hamptons, there's a fundraising breakfast

for Hillary Clinton.

And he decides, I'm going to this fundraiser,

I'm gonna give this book to Clinton,

and I'm gonna talk to them about this.

So he doesn't know if the Secret Service

are gonna stop him at the door,

because he's carrying a package of course,

and security and stuff.

And he said it was very strange,

he walked right in, and he takes pictures of himself

with Hillary in the background,

to prove that he was actually there.

And it was at a 15 million dollar estate,

and Paul Davis when he told me this story,

and he's told it publicly, said that they told him,

he said, I want to speak with Clinton,

and they said, here's what you do.

Bill will speak first, Bill will stand up and talk.

And once Bill's finished talking,

Hillary's gonna come up and talk,

and as soon as Hillary's finished talking,

Bill will be sitting at the back along these windows,

then you go and talk to Bill,

because everybody's gonna be going after Hillary

and asking her questions, and it'll be distracted.

So that's exactly what he does.

He waits, Hillary finishes, the applause starts,

and he goes and he sits down beside Bill Clinton,

and he pulls out the Roswell material.

And he puts the Roswell book in front of Bill, and he says,

and it had the cover up, and he said, he can still

remember Bill looking down at this Roswell book,

and looking at this subtitle about the coverup,

and he just looked up and he said,

you know I'm fascinated in this stuff,

and I'm gonna read this.

And so we know he was fascinated in it,

for whatever reason, and he

green-lighted a number of studies.

The other thing that he green-lighted,

that a lot of people don't know is,

his first CIA director was James Woolsey,

and James Woolsey, and this is according to Steven Greer,

and we're trying to check this,

but James Woolsey doesn't talk anymore.

He and his wife who is a very

high-ranking scientific person,

in Washington, in the late 1960's

had a daylight UFO sighting in Maine.

Was it Maine?

It was on the east coast there somewhere.

And Steven Greer had spent three hours

with the CIA director at a dinner party,

and had been told this, and this sort of stuff.

And Steven Greer is pressing the CIA director.

And a lot of people say it wasn't a significant meeting,

Greer and this story, and whatever,

and I personally have requested because we have a book.

I have personally requested interviews

with these various people,

and one of them was the CIA director,

and I got a phone call back from somebody in the CIA office,

saying, well very interesting project, we wish you well,

but we're not gonna do an interview.

So I know anybody who sits down the the CIA director

for three hours, I don't care if you're talking about

knitting or what you're talking about,

if you sat with the CIA director for three hours,

that's important.

So, the CIA director said to him,

Greer said, we need this released,

we need to have disclosure,

and Woolsey made a very important statement, he said,

how can we disclose what we don't control?

And so Woolsey puts out a request for a new CIA study,

and Greer meets with him in December of 1993,

and this study did come out.

Now, Woolsey didn't stay around very long.

I think he left in late '94, early '95,

he was only there for a couple of years.

He resigned, but this study does come out in 1997,

and it's a study on, a new UFO study by the CIA,

and it talks about the 50 years of UFO investigations,

and it's the one that comes out and says that

most of the UFO's people are seeing,

were misidentifications of U2, or SR-71's,

and stuff like that.

So they whitewashed the study,

but it was a study that was initiated by James Woolsey,

and I think Clinton, as well, green-lighted this,

because there was a lot of different people

in the Clinton administration,

who seemed to be involved, and seemed to be

pushing different issues,

and different things were coming out,

and Clinton was very interested in openness.

He did have a close association with John Podesta,

who was his Chief of Staff.

And under the Clinton administration,

with John Podesta's help,

they actually went into an openness thing, where they said,

the rumor was that they were

trying to get the UFO documents,

by pushing all the documents out,

and the UFO documents would come out with it.

And what they said, and this was an executive order in 1995

by Clinton, that basically said

to the intelligence agencies,

that if the document is more than 25 years old,

it has to be released,

unless you've got a really good reason,

and the onus was on them

and if that there was a question as to whether

they should release it or not release it,

it should be released.

The public should get the upperhand.

So they disclosed this, and what a lot of people don't know,

is that the Clinton administration

declassified 800 million pages of files

during their administration.

So it's a situation, and the problem was

that none of the UFO files came with it,

with a lot of stuff.

And Clinton, one of the stories was that Clinton

had tried to get it, and hadn't got it,

and one of the stories was that it was his

psychological profile,

that he had evaded the Vietnam War,

he had been going to school

in Great Britain,

and the first issue he had when got into the White House,

was to put gays in the military,

which caused an insurrection in the Joint Chiefs of Staff,

and one of them actually spoke to him,

and said that he totally disagreed with this.

So Clinton was seen as sort of left-wing guy,

that you really couldn't trust him,

and that was always the story,

that they they wouldn't tell Clinton,

because he couldn't keep his mouth shut,

and one of the things that Clinton did,

when these files were coming out,

is he actually did open his mouth about another incident,

and that was the plutonium thing,

where they were putting radioactive material in food,

and stuff like this, and this story broke that the

intelligence agencies had been doing this kind of stuff.

So, Clinton was the type of guy, he was very open,

and even now, when people ask Bill Clinton

a question about UFO's, he doesn't walk away from it.

Most presidents, most high-ranking people,

will sluff the question off.

Bill Clinton will actually talk about it,

but if you listen very closely to him,

you get the idea that he still is not telling the truth.

For example, when he was in Hong Kong,

part of the answer to his question was,

the guy said, when he answered the question,

the guy came back and said, well,

is there a list or isn't there a list?

And he said, well you know,

if there was, I'm probably not the first president

they lied to,

or that bureaucrats have waited out.

And he said, if there is some

bureaucrat holding these files, somewhere,

they evaded me, and I'm almost embarrassed to say

I tried to get to the bottom of this.

So Clinton is an interesting guy,

and I think if somebody respectable were to get Clinton,

and to actually confront him, and do a half hour interview,

I think you'd get a lot of material,

because Bill is pretty open.

Even Larry King had stated, and this is 1994,

and we haven't found what the answer to it was,

Larry King had a UFO sighting in 1972.

He was working for the Minnesota,

or the Miami Dolphins, and had a UFO sighting,

and he had been at Roswell in 1994,

or at Area 51 he was,

and they were doing a show on Area 51.

He did an interview with MUFON, and in that interview,

he had said, he told about his sighting,

and then he also said that, I'm friends with Bill Clinton,

and Bill Clinton doesn't like secrecy,

and I'm gonna ask Bill Clinton.

We've never been able to get to Larry King, to ask him,

did you ask Clinton, and what did Clinton tell you?

So, he's a very interesting president,

and he's one of the guys that tried to get to the bottom,

and wasn't able to.

The other one that tried to get to the bottom

of the whole thing, and wasn't able to, was Jimmy Carter.

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Now as you know, Jimmy Carter, his involvement

came from the fact that he had a UFO sighting,

and the date given was 1969,

but I've talked to an archivist at the Carter Library,

who went to school with Jimmy Carter's son,

and he said it was earlier.

He said,

his son had told him the story,

and he's sure it was earlier.

Anyway, because he had this interest,

and he had had a sighting,

in 1973 he actually filed a UFO

form where he detailed what had happened, signed the form,

and it went, I can't remember,

it was a group out of Oklahoma that he filed with.

So when it comes to him being president,

he's running for president,

and on two different occasions, he talks about the fact

that if he becomes president,

he will release the UFO files.

And so, once he gets into the White House,

and I went through his files,

and a lot of people have been through his files,

to try to detail it,

there are a number of initiatives that he does.

For example, most people may not realize,

the FOIA material that we have, the UFO material,

almost all of the material that we have,

was released under the Carter administration.

The FBI files, the CIA files,

the defense intelligence files,

thousands and thousands of pages of files were released.

And Jimmy Carter had the same sort of stance

as Bill Clinton, that if there was a toss-up,

as to whether to release it, it should be released.

So a lot of this material was released under him,

and he sent a bunch of people

to try to figure out what was going on.

His press secretary, who was Jody Powell,

went to the FBI, and tried to find out from the FBI,

how do you file UFO sightings?

What do you have?

All this sort of stuff.

And the other one he had, he went to NASA,

and Frank Press I think was the science advisor,

had gone to NASA, and they wanted a new investigation.

They wanted NASA to take up a new investigation of UFO's,

the same as Blue Book had done.

And of course, what had happened,

some of the background was that Carter had come in

and he'd done some things he probably shouldn't have done,

and one was I think he cut five billion dollars

from the NASA budget.

So, in one hand he's cutting their budget,

and in the other hand he's giving them this PR nightmare,

to take on the UFO thing,

and NASA was very hesitant,

but there's a lot of correspondence going back and forth,

about whether they were going to do this study,

and then there was a document,

a letter or whatever it was, came from the CIA, to NASA,

which basically said, do not touch it.

It said, don't touch it.

And then they called it off,

and went back to the president and said,

no NASA doesn't want to do the study.

But Jimmy Carter, his problem I think was

that he came in, and like Bill Clinton,

he wasn't really interested in intelligence,

and he fired a bunch of CIA people,

and he was in a situation where he really wasn't trusted,

and I think, almost like Bill Clinton,

there was a group that was always trying to get him out,

and I even heard this when I went to the library,

to the Carter Library, they told me the story that

when Carter went in, and the same thing happened

to Bill Clinton, they came from the South,

and they ran as outsiders in Washington,

so Jimmy Carter for example wore short sleeves

when he was campaigning, which presidents never do,

you always had your suit on.

He'd take his suit off, he had short sleeves.

He wanted to be the outside guy, he'd take his tie off.

I'm one of you, I'm not a Washington insider,

the same as Clinton had done, and so the problem was,

and I've always said, if you're a Washington outsider,

and you win the election,

don't be surprised if you go to Washington,

and find out that the people who have the power,

the money, and the knowledge, don't talk to you.

And that's what happened to Carter,

and even the archivist told me that

there was a lot of comment.

It was like, who does this guy think he is?

These people walk around in bare feet,

and eat with their hands,

referring to people who come from Georgia.

And this guy's the president.

So there was this backlash, plus they would

bring all their people in from Georgia,

in terms of Carter,

and Clinton brought all his people in from Arkansas,

and these Washington insiders really didn't like it,

in fact, you probably recall,

when Bill got into a lot of trouble

with the Monica Lewinsky thing,

Hillary Clinton was walking around

talking about the vast right wing conspiracy,

who was trying to get rid of the president,

and I remember at the time I sort of laughed about it,

and then after, I'm thinking, maybe she had something,

maybe she was talking about this inside group,

these powerful people,

who are actually sabotaging the president

on every initiative.

So Carter had the problem, same as Bill Clinton,

that he was a Washington outsider,

and he really couldn't get to the bottom of the thing.

And there's a number of stories

about a briefing that he was given.

It was a Secret Service agent,

I think it was a Secret Service agent.

There was a researcher who had been told the story

about the Secret Service agent,

that Jimmy Carter had been briefed,

and that Jimmy Carter was totally broken up

by what he had heard in the briefing.

Even one part that he'd been crying.

And so I heard the tape, and this guy's still around,

and he was actually appointed by Bush,

as a top person going into Iraq.

So he was still a guy that was pretty powerful.

They went back to him and he denied the story.

He said no, he told stories about things that had happened,

but no that didn't happen,

I wasn't in this briefing with Jimmy Carter.

It's always been very hard because the records

have always been kept very secret,

as to which presidents have been briefed,

and which presidents haven't.

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The only thing I know for sure,

I can guess at a lot of stuff that Truman knew,

and that Eisenhower knew.

The only thing I know,

and they still haven't released the name of the guy,

but I had a close friend who talked to me

until I talked about this,

and he said, you can't keep your damn mouth shut,

and I said, well you know, like, whatever,

because it was supposed to be confidential,

but people doing ufology, they'll send you stuff,

and tell you to keep it quiet.

But it was an important thing, and that was,

that he had talked to two presidents,

and he had come to me looking

for Jimmy Carter's phone number.

And he had already talked, and he was tracking,

one of the big stories I've always tracked

is the Holloman Air Force Base film.

And the rumored story was, and this was part of the story

that had been told about Jimmy Carter,

by this Secret Service agent,

was that part of the briefing for Jimmy Carter

was a 15 minute color film

of the Holloman Air Force Base landing,

and it was very important, and it seemed

to back up the fact that this guy was telling the truth,

even though he denied it later,

because this friend of mine had told me,

he was looking for Jimmy Carter's phone number,

he'd already talked to Ford,

and he had talked to Bush senior,

and they had both confirmed to him,

he'd asked them about briefings,

and they both confirmed to him

that they had seen the Holloman Air Force Base film.

And the Holloman Air Force Base film,

is a story that Bob Emenegger,

and I know Bob Emenegger very well,

I've talked to him, been with him numerous times,

heard the story 20 times,

is a story that happened in the Nixon administration,

where they were green-lighted a study,

and they were basically given access to everybody,

everybody talked, all the Blue Book people talked,

and they were given a film,

and they had it in their possession.

They had this film, and it purported to be a landing.

There was three crafts had come in.

They had the film cameras all set up

at Holloman Air Force Base.

They knew these things were coming in,

and the one came down, the other two stayed up,

and it landed on tarmac,

and a bunch of high-ranking officials came,

the aliens came out of the spacecraft, all being filmed,

and then they walked down the tarmac to a building

on Mars Avenue, at Holloman Air Force Base,

and they had a meeting, or whatever they did there.

And so Bob Emenegger had this film,

and these two presidents claim to have seen this film,

and this is what this fellow was actually researching.

So he asked, for example, he asked Ford,

and that's the key thing is the briefing.

He asked Ford, he said, when were you briefed?

And Ford said, I'm not gonna tell you.

Don't even go there,

I'm not telling you where I was briefed.

And that's the whole thing is if you give the briefing date,

then you've got something to work with,

then you know what room they're in,

because the presidential record is all there.

And you can tell who was in the room,

you know who the people to press,

and you can force the briefing out,

but until you know when the briefing is.

So it's always been hard to determine who got briefed,

and who didn't get briefed.

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Now when it comes to Barack Obama,

Barack Obama has faced the UFO question

on three different occasions.

And the first occasion that Barack Obama faced the question

was after one of Steven Basset's X files conferences.

The Washington Post went to all the different campaigns,

when Barack Obama was campaigning,

and asked them are you going to end

the ET embargo on information?

And Obama's spokesman said,

we're more interested in ending the

embargo on information coming out of Iraq.

That was the first time, the second time was

in October of 2007.

Barack Obama was at a debate in Philadelphia.

This is the famous one where Kucinich

is asked the UFO question,

and Kucinich confirms that yes he did

see a UFO at Shirley McLain's house,

and it was a UFO, what's the big deal?

The very next question, they go from him,

from asking a question of Kucinich,

to Obama, and they asked him a question,

all the astronauts of Apollo 11,

all have said that they believe there's life

outside of Earth, what's your position?

And Barack Obama says, I really don't know,

and I don't pretend to know.

What I do know, is there's life here on Earth,

and we're not taking care of it,

and then he goes into the whole speech

about the people that have to be taken care of.

So he avoids the question.

Then, he's asked, and we believe,

we haven't tracked it down.

We have the video, but we believe it's a Chicago reporter,

asked him the question, says Mister Obama,

if you get to the White House,

and you discover that there are ET's,

and the people haven't been told, will you tell the people?

And he says, well it depends what the aliens are like,

whether they're Republicans or Democrats.

So he basically evaded it,

and then I guess there's one other story.

A lot of people, Steven Basset had done a campaign

to send letters to the White House,

on a lot of different issues, and Barack Obama

put up this change. gov site,

where people would ask questions and stuff.

There were a lot of people asking UFO questions,

and they now have a website,

the White House opened a website,

where people can give their opinion, and what they want,

and so a lot of people are asking UFO questions.

Now the woman that's running the website

is Becky, I can't remember her last name,

but is running the site,

and she actually does describe the fact

that people who are asking UFO questions,

or other questions, can talk among each other,

which kind of amazed me, it's like

the reason we're putting it on here is for you to read.

We talk among each other all the time,

we don't need to talk among each other.

And the one thing that she said which was very discouraging,

because the two big issues that have been brought up,

people asking questions, are the legalization of marijuana,

and the other one is,

where is Barack Obama's birth certificate?

So this woman, and she's out of the White House,

said, the most popular issues aren't

potentially the most important,

which basically says, even if UFO people

write millions of letters, and it gets there,

just because you have the most number of requests,

doesn't mean it's an important issue

and we're gonna answer it.

So that's where it goes.

Barack Obama is kind of a

guy who's more interested in other stuff.

There's the very interesting connection with John Podesta,

who was the X files guy in the Clinton White House,

and I know from people who have talked to John Podesta,

and the main one being Leslie Cain,

who says that she does not believe that

John Podesta has brought it up,

and will not bring up the issue,

that they've got other things to do,

and so it sort of dies there.

You think well, it's not an issue

that they're really gonna look at.

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This comes to how I became involved in the president.

I saw a number of UFO's,

I was involved in a flap of UFO sightings

in Carmen, Manitoba, Canada, in 1975,

two weeks after the end of the Vietnam War.

I had my first sighting, this was near missile silos

in North Dakota, the minuteman missile three missile silos,

and I believe that the missile silos

had been on alert because of the Vietnam War,

and the UFO's suddenly appeared.

Because I'd asked people in the town,

like why are they coming to our little town in Canada,

this middle of nowhere?

And I'd had a number of sightings

and what I did was I wrote a manuscript

called, Tales of Charlie Redstar.

And I'd put it out and really the publishers,

some of them read it,

and I remember the local publisher,

who should have done it,

it was a big story where I came from said,

you may believe in this stuff,

count me among the unbelievers,

and that was my rejection letter to my manuscript.

So I had the manuscript, and I said,

well this is something that I got to get,

I've seen it, I know what it is,

and this is the

the title of James Fox's new movie, I Know What I Saw.

And I've told people that 150 times over the last 35 years,

I know what I saw.

Don't argue with me, because I know what I saw.

I was 50 feet away at one point, of one of these objects.

But anyway, so I knew what I saw,

and knew that it was probably extraterrestrial,

that this was something, my father was a pilot,

my son's a pilot, I'm not stupid, I know what I saw,

and I want to get an answer to this thing.

So when I got all the rejections on the manuscript,

and everybody just sort of listened to my sightings,

and said, oh that's kind of interesting, what else is new?

I decided to go after the Canadian government,

and went after the work of Wilbert B Smith,

who had run the Canadian government program

from 1950 to 1854.

I talked to him, I pulled all the documents,

and he'd hidden the documents away.

Before he died, he told his wife, hide the files,

the government's coming.

The Russians came, the Americans came,

and the Canadians came, all trying to get the documents.

Started breaking into the house.

I recovered the documents, I found out where they were,

filed the documents.

And we came up with the famous document

that David Rudiak had talked to you about.

The top secret document, UFO's, or flying saucers,

he never used the word UFO's,

he knew it was a term developed by the US Air Force

to throw people off.

He always called them flying saucers.

Flying saucers exist.

It's two points higher

than the hydrogen bomb in classification.

It's the most highly classified subject

in the United States,

and there's a group headed by Vannevar Bush,

who is looking into it.

And I went there and I found out that the was a contactee,

that he actually claimed to be talking to them.

We went through all this stuff.

There was a bunch of other people that were involved,

in contacting them.

In particular, a woman in Maine

who had been contacted by the FBI, Canadian intelligence,

Air Force, White House.

The same woman that he was using,

and they all had contact with an alien by the name of Afa.

So anyway, I filed all that material, put it all away,

and it was very fascinating.

A lot of people were very fascinated to find out

that the Canadian government was really into this,

and actually believed that this was going on,

and that the guy in charge of it,

actually claimed to be talking to them.

And that material,

led to his meeting at the Canadian embassy in Washington,

where he got all this material.

And the guy he got it from was Doctor Robert Sarbacher,

who was a military advisor to the Pentagon,

and years later, Stanton Freeman went back

and found out that this guy was still alive.

This is late 1982, 1983, so Stanton talked to

Sarbacher and said, did you give

this material to Wilbert Smith?

And Sarbacher said, yeah I recall giving it to him,

and so he said, well why was it classified?

I have no idea, he said.

I have no idea why they classified it so high.

And he said, well how did you know about this?

He said, it was a series of briefings

at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.

Something had crashed in the west,

and a bunch of scientists,

and I was invited to go out there to briefings

that they were giving to the top military people,

or the scientists, they were basically

scientists and engineers.

And so Stanton says, well name the guys, who went?

You didn't go, because he said he had been busy

up in Canada working on the due line radar,

and he couldn't go, but he said, who went, who went?

And he would name off Vannevar Bush,

and he said, well he's dead,

and Bronc, and he would name all these different people,

and Stanton says, can you name anybody who's still alive?

And he says, well there's this one guy from Pennsylvania.

I don't remember his name, but he's real arrogant.

He thought he knew everything.

And a bunch of researchers came up with the name

of Doctor Eric Walker.

Now this material was my second book,

which was the first book that MUFON published,

and it didn't go anywhere because MUFON,

it was an internal book, you couldn't buy it on the street.

So MUFON published a thousand copies,

a thousand copies were sold,

and it really didn't go anywhere,

and what it basically is, is this guy, we tracked him down,

and his name is Doctor Eric Walker.

He was former President of Penn State University,

the Ivy League engineering college

at State College, Pennsylvania.

He'd been president there for 17 years.

The president before him, who had given him

the job as president was Milton Eisenhower,

who was the president's brother,

who went, left State College, or Penn State,

to go and work for the president, to advise the president,

and Walker took over.

And Walker knew everything.

He was the type of guy that when you phoned him,

couldn't hang up the phone.

So what we would do is, there was a bunch of research,

I was the head of a team of researchers

who contacted Walker, from all over the world.

And everybody said, I can get him to talk.

And that wasn't my thing, okay fine,

and I would get all the transcripts of people

talking to him and sent them letters, and stuff.

And Walker's the type of guy

who wanted to play with the subject.

He didn't want to talk to you about it,

and he couldn't hang up the phone.

People would get him on the phone,

and he would try to talk around it,

but when you put all these transcripts

and all these letters together,

you could actually determine what he was talking about,

and a lot of times he did confirm.

For example, we asked him about MJ-12,

and he confirmed yes, I've known of them for 40 years.

Look, you're up against the windmill, leave it alone,

there's nothing you can do about it.

And that was like days after the MJ-12 document came out.

He basically confirmed, I've known of them for 40 years.

That was 1987,

if you take it back, it's 1947.

So we published this material in a book.

And Walker was contacted by a reporter.

We figured this is gonna break the coverup.

It was so dramatic, this material,

and this was such a highly respected guy.

He had actually been an Assistant Secretary of Defense

at one point in the United States.

So, the reporter went, and for the first time

Walker hung up the phone.

He said, I deny it,

it's not true, and sorry I'm busy, and hung up the phone.

So I said to my co-author, who was a journalist there,

I said well, is she going back?

What's gonna happen?

He said, no she's not going back.

And that was it, nobody ever interviewed him again,

and the story sort of died.

So what happened then was, I was looking for his files.

He was the Executive Secretary

of the Research and Development Board,

which David Rudiak had been talking about.

This is this top level group

that developed weapons in the United States,

and he was the Executive Director,

so when the director wasn't there, he was the head guy,

on developing weapons at the Pentagon.

He was at the E ring,

he was in the main part of the Pentagon.

And he had promised those files to the Truman Library.

So that's how I got into the presidential thing.

I was going after Walker's files.

So I went to the Truman Library,

and they didn't have the files,

and so while I was there I said,

what have you got on UFO's?

And they said, well we've got a couple of documents,

and they named a couple of pages, whatever,

and I thought this is kind of strange,

this is pretty important stuff.

And about maybe 150 miles down the road

is the Eisenhower Library in Kansas,

so I was down there, and I'm a long way from anything.

So I decided to go to the Eisenhower Library,

and I went to the Eisenhower Library,

and you actually have to do an interview

to research there.

So they're doing the interview with me

about what you're going to research, whatever,

and so went into the UFO's, and they pulled the files,

and there was five documents, 30 million pages of files,

in five documents.

And at that point I said,

this is the most important subject in the world.

This is the most powerful guy in the world.

The two have to go together.

There has to be a connection.

And I started at that point, saying,

what does the most important powerful guy in the world

know about the most important subject?

And that's what led me going from

library to library to library,

and what I basically found, in a lot of cases,

is there's really nothing there,

which either means nothing happened,

or the president didn't know,

or they're able to keep the files secret,

they're there but they're keeping them secret,

which I don't think is one of the possibilities,

because over the years as I've been

to the presidential libraries,

I've gotten to know a number of the archivists,

and I don't think the archivists are covering the thing up,

because for example the one guy at the Carter Library,

had heard the Jimmy Carter story in 1967,

he was extremely interested.

We sat in the archives two hours after the archives closed,

talking about UFO's.

So these people are very interested,

and he would actually send me material

that I hadn't even requested.

He's say, I found this, and he would send it to me.

But the thing was that there's very little in the libraries,

which leads to the question of Bill Clinton,

I'm probably not the first president they lied to,

or the bureaucrats have tried to keep in the dark,

which leads to the thing, is there a second government?

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One of the main stories that's very interesting

about the inner government, is the story

that Steven Greer says that Sarah McLendon told him.

And Sarah McLendon was a long-time White House reporter

from the 1940's, on, and she took Steve Basset's,

or not Steve Basset, but Steven Greer,

she was close with him, she was trying to help him,

and so she went to the president,

she went to Clinton, she said,

why don't you do what these people are asking?

Why don't you disclose what's going on?

And according to Sarah McLendon,

Bill Clinton leaned over and said, Sarah,

there's a government inside the government,

and I don't control it.

And that sort of fits in

with what Hillary Clinton was saying,

to the vast right wing conspiracy,

that's giving Bill problems with all of these scandals,

and that's what behind it,

and so there is this issue,

and it is sort of supported in presidential files,

that either nothing happened,

or the president doesn't know what's going on,

because in the presidential library,

not only do you have millions of pages of files,

you also have, the more important thing,

is the oral history.

And oral histories is,

things something like what you're doing.

They have a guy that's going to film, or tape,

anybody who leaves the White House.

You're a cook in the White House.

Okay, what was it like to be the cook in the White House?

Did you ever meet the president?

And go through this sort of stuff,

and these people would just talk off the record

about what it was like to work in the White House,

what it was like to be Secretary of Defense.

Did they have this major event that happened to you,

what was the inside story?

And they would talk,

and for example at the Lyndon Johnson Library,

there's a thousand oral histories,

and some of these, for example at the Truman Library,

you can actually word-search them,

and there's no discussion of UFO's.

So you can cover up the record,

you can cover up the documents,

but can you cover up people in just open talk,

talking about this kind of stuff, because there is one,

and that was Truman's air aide,

the guy who was the head of Air Force One,

before they called it Air Force One.

It was his aide to the Air Force,

was brought in, and he tells the story

that he had seen UFO's.

That he was at the 8th Air Force in Hawaii,

during World War II,

and that they had had these foo fighter,

things appearing on radar, that they had seen.

And he talks about when he got to the White House,

he was called in to the White House by Truman,

and Truman says, I want you to go to the CIA,

and I want you to gather all this stuff from the CIA,

and I want you to brief me, orally,

not in writing, but orally,

on what's going on with this flying saucer thing.

And according to Landry, General Landry,

he said he briefed the president every three months,

and we figured out from '48, February of '48

when he took over, to the end,

he probably had 16, 17 briefings on UFO's.

But Landry talks openly about it.

So why wouldn't people in the Clinton Administration,

or the Johnson administration, talk about,

oh Johnson was interested in UFO's,

and this happened, that happened, and it doesn't,

which means it really, unless they're very secretive,

it really didn't get talked about, it's not an issue.

And that's the problem, this situation with Barack Obama.

They're so busy, people don't realize how busy

the president is, he's up at six o'clock in the morning,

and it's like photo op,

and then it's make these phone calls,

push for a bill, to get this across,

and then you've got a cabinet meeting,

and then you've got this, and then you've got that.

And it's minute by minute, the presidential record,

that they go through.

They haven't got time,

and that's why the briefing is so important.

They don't have time to read anything.

They're briefed by people.

Someone will come in,

and they know there's a question

coming on a certain subject,

they'll go and give a 15 minute briefing,

to bring the president up to speed,

because he doesn't have time to do anything.

So it's a very

interesting place to research, to see,

and to see that the records are important if we get a lead.

For example, the famous story that I talked to Dick Cheney,

that was in the Bush administration,

where they had claimed that they were

going to release the UFO files.

Charles Huffer, who was a researcher,

had been told by Bush on a number of occasions,

yes I'm gonna release the UFO files.

Here's Dick Cheney, he's Secretary of Defense.

He knows, he's a smart guy,

and then he said it will be the first thing Cheney does

when he gets to the White House.

So of course when he got to the White House,

nothing happened,

then a couple of months later

he was on the Diana Rehm Show,

a Washington talk show that sometimes

has high-ranking people.

Hillary Clinton has been on there.

All of these people have been on there,

and I decided I'm gonna phone in,

and I actually got on, the first caller on,

I said, Mister Cheney, in all your jobs in government,

have you ever been briefed on the subject of UFO's?

And if so, when was it, and what were you told?

And there was a pause, and Cheney said,

if I had been briefed on that subject,

it would probably be classified,

and I wouldn't be talking about it.

And he'd been caught off guard,

because nobody ever asked him the question.

And so what happened was, then Diana Rehm came,

but by then he had caught his footing.

She said, well Mister Vice President,

have you had any UFO meetings

since you got to the White House?

And he said no, I've had no UFO meetings

since I got to the White House.

So he caught himself,

and then he got a bunch of Haliburton questions,

and he was furious at the end of the interview,

he said, well you've got some real wild callers today.

He was not happy about what he'd gotten,

and I don't think he really appeared on a talk show

for years after that, he was so upset.

And that to me is the critical thing,

is if a person gets a high-ranking official,

whether it's a four star general

like David Rudiak talked to,

or whether it's a vice president or a president,

you don't want to ask them, what do you think about UFO's?

You don't want to ask them

did they see a UFO?

You only want to ask them one question.

Were you briefed?

When were you briefed?

And what were you told?

Because the briefing is the official thing

that we're all looking for.

If you're the President of the United States,

the most powerful guy.

If they know there's a question on UFO's coming,

they're gonna sit the president down,

and they're gonna say,

they're gonna bring in the top intelligence people,

they're gonna gather all the best information

they have on the subject,

they're gonna bring the people into the room,

that guy into the room, and he's gonna say,

Mister President, here's what we know about UFO's,

and that's what you want, that's the only truth.

The rest is all disinformation.

What you want is what they're telling to the president,

unless they're lying to the president,

which is another possibility.

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Speaking of Paul Hellyer, there's a very interesting story,

and this ties in with the Wilbert Smith research.

We knew about Paul Hellyer years ago.

We were bugging him about UFO's

long before he became public,

and the two people who were bugging him was Arthur Bray,

he was a researcher in Ottawa, Canada,

and he was the guy who got control of the Smith files.

They were trying to hide the Smith files,

and they gave it to him.

And he was a Navy guy, he had a security clearance,

so some of the stuff that was in the files,

he had already seen the top secret memo,

before it was declassified,

because Smith had double-copied it,

and it was in the files.

So he knew about this.

And anyway, Arthur Bray and I were after a story

that happened in 1967.

Canada, in 1967, this was the 100th anniversary

of the country.

So they had a bunch of centennial projects

all over the country, and one of the projects

that they had, was in Saint Paul, Alberta,

which is just outside of Edmonton, Alberta.

They built a UFO landing base,

a little tourist thing outside,

maybe 100 feet across,

and for the tourists to come,

and they built this landing base.

Now Paul Hellyer at the time

was Secretary of Defense in Canada.

So he goes to this landing base to open the landing base,

and he's making his speech,

and he gives the speech and he says,

you know this is not the first time

we've had a landing base.

The Canadians opened up a top secret base

in 1954 for UFO's to land,

and nothing landed, therefore UFO's don't exist.

So that's fine, and it was across the headlines or whatever.

I didn't see the story till the 1970's,

and suddenly I saw this story,

when I was working on the Wilbert Smith thing,

because I really didn't get involved until 1975.

I had no interest in UFO's whatsoever,

never even thought about UFO's before then.

And so when I saw this story,

we started trying to contact Paul Hellyer,

and we weren't really interested in much except,

where'd the story come from?

And about this landing base, that they had built.

So, when I went and I interviewed Wilbert Smith's wife,

and this was about a week before she retired.

She was very upset with the Canadian government,

because we had the French-English problem,

and she was English, and the French were starting

to take over the government.

You had to be able to speak both languages.

She was very upset about a lot of things in the government,

so she was ready to talk.

And she told me all these different stories

about Wilbert and about what was going on,

and stuff that would just blow you away.

And one of the stories, so I gave her the

newspaper heading from my 1967,

from the Winnipeg Free Press, and I showed her this story,

and it said, UFO base open, whatever it was,

for UFO's to land.

And I handed to her and I said,

did Wilbert have anything to do with this?

So she sat there and she read the story,

and she said, yeah that was Wilbert.

And I said, so what happened?

And she says, well Wilbert went

to the Prime Minister of Canada,

and he went to the RCMP, which is the federal police force,

and he went to the Defense Department,

and he said, Wilbert openly in his speeches

talks about this.

We've got to quit trying to shoot these things down.

And if we would shoot them down

we could have contact with them.

And so he'd gone to these three different people,

and he said, if you don't shoot down the UFO,

I will get Afa, which is the name of the alien, to land.

So they went into a meeting, and they said,

and you can't do anything to them,

so they went into this meeting,

and the three people agreed,

yes they would allow him to land, without shooting him down.

So then Wilbert said they wanted a guarantee,

that once, whoever was gonna talk to them,

and the base was Suffield, Alberta,

which is the Area 51 of Canada.

It's got a restricted fly zone over it,

it's a highly top secret base, in Alberta.

Wilbert wanted a guarantee that when the UFO landed

at Suffield, they would talk to it,

do whatever they wanted, and then be allowed to take off.

And they went back and I can't remember exactly which,

one of the three agencies didn't agree,

that they would go along with that,

that they would necessarily let the thing take off again.

And so Wilbert says, okay that's it,

we're calling it off, nobody's gonna land.

So the whole story was told

that's true, Hellyer had this story from somewhere,

so we went after Hellyer, and we said,

so where'd this story come from?

Where'd you get this story?

Because we knew the inside story of what had happened.

And Hellyer said, well it was an expert

inside the Department of Defense that told me the story,

but I can't remember the guy's name.

And I think this is maybe what got me into trouble

with Hellyer, and I went, this doesn't make any sense,

not remembering the top official in your department.

And he said there was a file, the guy had the file,

so when Hellyer retired,

he said that he was gonna go to the archives in Ottawa,

and he was gonna try to find this file.

Then he came back and said, no he couldn't find the file,

it wasn't there or whatever.

But Bray and I for years were writing letters to Hellyer,

trying to get him to, who was the guy told you this story.

Where'd you get it?

So this goes back to last year at the X conference,

and I guess I put on my website,

how can you believe this story that

Hellyer didn't remember who this was?

So I remember Hellyer, and he was a big guy,

you've met him, he's a fairly impressive, large guy.

He wanted to have breakfast, so I said, okay fine,

so we would come down, he's got these files under his arm.

And so he says to me, you know Mister Cameron,

I may be many things, but one of them is, I'm not a liar.

And I went, oh,

merely thinking, is that guy right?

So we sat down and he plops these files open to me,

and they're from 1967,

and they're from the National Research Council and stuff,

and I said, wow this is '67.

We've got all this stuff,

this is nothing unusual, it's not the stuff.

The thing I was interested in was,

your speech in 1967,

where you talked about the fact

they'd opened a UFO base to land,

and we've got the other side of the story,

and we wanted to know who the official was,

and what this was all about.

And he says, I don't even remember giving the speech.

It was written for me, by somebody.

I don't remember giving the speech.

And after that conversation with Hellyer,

and we had breakfast for maybe 25 minutes,

I was thoroughly convinced

that he was absolutely telling the truth,

that he really didn't remember,

that he really didn't have any knowledge,

and that's one of the things about Hellyer,

that he really didn't have any knowledge.

There was maybe stuff coming across his desk,

UFO sightings, or whatever,

but it was something that he just pushed aside.

So here's the Secretary of Defense,

who really is out of the loop as well, in Canada,

and the stuff is going somewhere,

but here's a guy who had the chance,

and if he had the interest he had now,

he would have got something done,

but at that time he really didn't have any interest.

But it was very impressive to have this vision that

some government official is covering up,

and then to actually sit down with that government official

for half an hour and go, I was wrong.

The guy really doesn't remember, didn't really know.

If you need any more information,

you can get most of the material

that I talk about the president.

And what I do at the president's site that I have,

and the address is www.presidentialufo.com,

that's my main site,

and what I do is I just basically

tell the presidential stories.

I don't really, sometimes I'll put my opinion in,

but mostly it's like, the stories are there,

and when it's all said and done, we'll weed it out,

we'll try to edit it,

but I try to put as much material,

anything that's relevant,

for example, on Barack Obama,

there's probably gotta be 200 different stories

about secrecy, about his interest in space,

about his UFO stuff,

just trying to put it all down there,

so that another researcher can come along and get it.