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With no medical training.
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A Hollywood producer
whose most outrageous story
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turned out to be the
one about himself.
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And a jazz musician
whose greatest performance
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was the one that
was given offstage.
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What makes a person want
to become someone else?
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Is it to escape their life?
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Or is it to fool someone?
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Or is there an even
more profound reason?
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Well,
that is what we'll try and find out.
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As the
Korean War rages around it,
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the Royal Canadian destroyer
HMCS Cayuga brings aboard
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19 badly wounded
South Korean soldiers
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requiring immediate surgery.
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Dr. Joseph Cyr,
the ship's newly arrived physician,
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is called upon to perform
a series of procedures
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to save the men's lives.
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There's quite a few wounded men.
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They're taken on board,
and the ship captain tells Dr. Cyr,
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"You have to operate. You
have to save these guys."
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So, according to all accounts,
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Dr. Cyr takes this
relatively calmly
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and goes to it.
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While the
patients are prepped for surgery,
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Dr. Cyr reviews a
medical textbook
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in his private quarters
to prepare himself
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for what would be
the defining moment
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of not only his career,
but his entire life.
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He
Performs a number of operations
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on these wounded
South Korean soldiers,
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removing bullets,
doing chest surgery.
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And by all accounts,
he was successful.
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The story of
Dr. Cyr's valiant performance
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hit Canadian newspapers
and spread like wildfire.
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Across the country,
people read about the naval doctor's
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heroic efforts to save the lives
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of the Korean soldiers.
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But there was at least one
woman who was stunned
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by the news that Dr. Joseph
Cyr had become a national hero.
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And as it turned out,
she had a very good reason
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to be surprised.
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The mother of Dr. Joseph
Cyr was reading the newspaper,
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and reads this
account of her son.
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So she phones her son up,
and her son is sort of like,
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"Uh, no,
I'm still posted in New Brunswick.
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I'm not on a ship. What
are you talking about?"
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And it becomes
obvious very quickly
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that the guy on board the
destroyer is an imposter.
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The mother of the real
doctor contacts the RCMP,
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Canada's equivalent of the FBI,
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and the shipboard captain
on the destroyer is told,
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"Uh, well,
your surgeon is an imposter.
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Uh, we've, uh,
got to take him into custody."
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He's taken back to Canada,
he's put before a court
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that would reveal that
he's Ferdinand Demara,
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of Lawrence, Massachusetts.
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An American from Massachusetts
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masquerading as a
Canadian naval doctor
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in the Sea of Japan?
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But how?
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And why?
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Ferdinand Demara
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is a very fascinating man.
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First of all,
he came from a middle‐class family.
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Very comfortable.
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But then they suffered
the Great Depression,
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They had to move.
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They had to downgrade,
as it were.
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They get to a poor neighborhood,
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less of the affluent or
semi‐affluent amenities.
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So he went from a lot to less,
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but it seemed to bother
him more than his parents,
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the best that we can tell.
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And therefore,
he had to fill in the difference.
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By all accounts,
he's a very smart kid.
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You know, does well at school.
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But he drops out of high school,
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and he starts this weird
sort of moving around
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and trying on new personas.
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It turns
out that he has the ability
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to memorize very quickly.
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He even claimed that he
had a photographic memory.
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So that he could
look at something,
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say,
"That really belongs to me,"
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and with a very good intellect,
he could carry this off.
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And he found
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he could "borrow"
any kind of credential
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and become that person
represented by that credential.
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He starts
that from a very early age,
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and he joins the military,
goes AWOL,
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joins other branches
of the military.
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In one of his very
early impersonations,
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he pretends to be
a Trappist monk
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and joins a monastery.
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At the time he was pretending
to be a Christian monk,
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he made friends with a Canadian
doctor named Joseph Cyr,
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and he then goes to
enlist in the Canadian Navy
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and announces that
he's Dr. Joseph Cyr
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and uses the same credentials
that the real doctor had.
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There's a war going
on at the time in Korea,
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so they don't ask
too many questions.
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They're just delighted
to get a surgeon.
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In addition to posing
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as a military
surgeon and a monk,
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Demara tried his
hand at impersonating
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a number of other professions,
including
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civil engineer, zoologist,
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psychologist,
philosophy professor
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and lawyer, among many others.
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Demara became so
adept at impersonation
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that he eventually became known
by his most famous alias of all:
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The Great Imposter.
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Ironically,
Demara's life went full circle.
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After pretending to be
all these different identities
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his whole life,
in the end he became famous for who he was.
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Oh,
I've been a surgeon lieutenant
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in the Royal Canadian Navy.
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‐You operated on
people? ‐Mm‐hmm.
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Isn't that rather dangerous?
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‐You might say that. ‐Uh‐huh.
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Where did you steal
your new credentials?
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‐I acquire these things. ‐Oh.
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I know. You keep
telling me that.
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I hate to bring the word
"steal" into this conversation.
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He appeared on You
Bet Your Life with Groucho Marx,
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and he makes it clear
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that he, "acquired credentials,"
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and that he's going
to use his prize money
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to buy more credentials.
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Were you in jail in... in,
uh, Canada?
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‐No, no. ‐In the United States,
have you ever been in jail?
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Yes,
I have been in jail. I spent a year
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in the Texas State Penitentiary.
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‐Well, it's about time, I... ‐
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that somebody nails you.
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What were you in there for?
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Uh,
I was in there as deputy warden.
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As a result of that,
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everybody wants to meet him,
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wants to talk about him,
wants to hear about him.
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‐Are you Martin Goddard? ‐Yes,
I am.
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And your real name is
Ferdinand Waldo Demara Jr.?
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And then when Tony Curtis acted
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in The Great Imposter,
he became famous
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because he could fool the world.
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In many respects,
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to be an imposter is...
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fairly normal,
although we think of them as...
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somehow pathological.
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In fact,
there are many people who do it for work.
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Actors are a form of imposters.
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There are people who put
on a costume or a uniform
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to transform themselves
in some way that gives them
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some measure of
authority in their work.
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Let's face
it: at one time or another,
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most of us have fantasized
about trying on a new identity.
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Like when we engage
in role‐playing games
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or wear costumes on Halloween.
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For most of us, of course,
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the fantasy remains
simply that: a fantasy.
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But in the case of
Ferdinand Demara,
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The Great Imposter,
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by pretending to be a surgeon,
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is it possible that‐‐ in his mind,
at least‐‐
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he actually became one?
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Ferdinand Demara
impersonated a surgeon.
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He wasn't a surgeon,
but during the Korean War
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while he was on a ship,
he saved lives.
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His ability to adapt
from impersonation
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might have given
him the ability to adapt
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under a stressful situation.
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"Con man," of course,
"con" is a kind of a nickname.
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The origin of that
word is "confidence."
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In the case of someone
like Ferdinand Demara,
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because of his success
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in being able to truly believe
every one of his fantasies
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as one new piece of reality,
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he can act it out
in such a real way
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for a limited period of time.
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By the time of his death,
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from a heart attack on June 7,
1982,
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Ferdinand Demara had spent
the last several years of his life
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as a Baptist minister
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and later a counselor at
Good Samaritan Hospital
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in Anaheim, California.
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In his obituary, Demara's lawyer
and good friend, Melvin Belli,
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is quoted as saying...
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And why should there be?
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After all, most of us can
only live one life at a time.
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Ferdinand Demara
was able to live several.
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Chris! Chris, Chris!
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French movie
producer Christopher Reyes
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is the talk of Tinseltown.
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Where's the girls tonight?
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Between a movie deal
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with action star
Jean‐Claude Van Damme,
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co‐ownership of two chic
Beverly Hills boutiques,
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a perfume line endorsed
by singer Michael Jackson
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and a Playboy Playmate wife,
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it appears Reyes's
burgeoning reputation
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as a Hollywood player is secure.
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Thanks, Chris.
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‐Good to see you. ‐All right.
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He would mix with some of
the movers and shakers in L. A.
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Uh, so he'd throw kind of
glamorous dinner parties.
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He'd invite all of his
friends that he'd met,
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and he'd make sure that they
saw that he was being generous
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during these parties.
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He said he was a
venture capitalist.
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He was in L. A. and he was
mixing with the kind of people
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who are also millionaires.
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He would talk of how he
was Sophia Loren's son,
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he was Oscar de la Renta's nephew,
and there was no reason
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for people to disbelieve him.
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He would maybe say,
"Do you want to invest?
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He'd give them an opportunity,
and they would think
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that they were gonna
get something from him.
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Chris! Let's go.
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To everyone he meets,
it seems Christopher Reyes
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has perfected the recipe
for Hollywood success.
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Except there's one
key ingredient missing.
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Because, as it turns out,
the man claiming
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to be Christopher
Reyes is a bigger fiction
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than any conceived by a
Hollywood screenwriter.
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He is actually a
notorious French con artist
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named Christophe Rocancourt.
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Well, Rocancourt was the world's
coolest con man, in essence.
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Um, you know, he was smooth,
he was charismatic.
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He was ambitious.
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So,
he had all the traits of a classic con man.
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By all accounts,
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Christophe's approach was very simple,
but direct.
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He would tell people,
you know "If you invest
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in my various enterprises,"
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you know,
"I can vastly increase your money."
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So his methods
were not terribly,
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you know, sophisticated,
but they worked,
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and he pulled in a lot
of money from people.
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In Paris,
he'd set up this alias for himself,
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a wealthy Russian nobleman.
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From just sheer
confidence and imagination,
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he was able to pull off a few scams. Uh,
most notably,
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when he managed to forge
the deeds to a building in Paris
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and sell it for over
a million dollars.
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As he scammed
his way across Europe,
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Christophe Rocancourt
defrauded dozens of victims
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under numerous aliases.
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But while authorities
had a mountain of lies
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and fake identities
to sort through,
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they were missing
one elusive truth:
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who actually was
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Christophe Rocancourt?
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Rocancourt grew up,
um, in a small town
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on the Normandy coast,
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uh, just where the‐the River
Seine meets the English Channel.
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Uh, it's a lovely place, um,
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but he didn't have
the best childhood.
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His father was an alcoholic
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and his mother had
to resort to prostitution.
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Here is a young person who is in
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a desperate survival mode
from the earliest stages.
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This kind of person really
has no reason to trust the world.
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And so he found out
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that he can acquire
wealth by deceptive means.
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There's no reason
for him to feel sorry
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about the next person,
'cause in his mind,
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presumably,
no one felt sorry for him.
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I think
the game had its own reward.
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This is a very hostile game,
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and this is a wounded,
aggressive person.
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He wanted to hurt people.
He wanted to take their money.
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It was a coldhearted
transaction.
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For most people,
the notion of scamming
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and conniving their way
to wealth and happiness
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is unthinkable.
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So, what drives serial impostors
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like Christophe Rocancourt
to use impersonation
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to not merely pretend
to be someone else,
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but to actually inflict harm?
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And not just once or twice,
but over and over again?
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For a lot of
impostors that grow up
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in a damaged childhood
where they're facing abuse
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or traumatic events,
they have to develop
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these sort of coping mechanisms.
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One,
they start to see themselves on the outside
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of the normal reality
that everyone else does.
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The society as a norm is here,
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and they're on
the outskirts of that.
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So, then they start to
categorize people as others.
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The second is that
they have to be able
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to anticipate the
actions of their abuser.
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So,
this starts to form an unusual kind
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of predictive empathy in
order for them to survive.
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No matter the
reason for their duplicity,
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once discovered,
most impostors' lives
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are shattered beyond repair.
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But while you
might think someone
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as internationally notorious
as Christophe Rocancourt
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would stop his antics
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after being so thoroughly exposed,
well,
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you'd be wrong.
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Eventually things came
tumbling down when people
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started suspecting
that he was a fraud.
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So when he moved
from L. A. to New York,
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Rocancourt was
running the same scams
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as he always had done.
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He was having
lavish dinner parties,
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he was inviting
exclusive guests.
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He was getting them to
invest large sums of money,
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$50,000 or a $100,000 at a time.
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I think people started
suspecting Rocancourt
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when a few things
just stopped adding up.
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He was driving a Mazda
rather than the kind of car
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that you'd expect a
millionaire to be driving.
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He tasted some wine
that was cheap wine,
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and he thought it
was expensive wine.
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Maybe he was
just getting sloppy.
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And it was an unpaid
hotel bill in the end
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that was the thing
that got him caught.
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In 2003,
Christophe Rocancourt plead guilty
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to charges of bribery,
theft and fraud.
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He was ordered to pay
$1.2 million to his victims
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and sentenced to 46
months in federal prison.
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After his release
in October 2005,
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Rocancourt returned to Europe
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where his notoriety as a
smooth‐talking con man
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continued to make headlines.
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But Rocancourt's deceptions
appear almost benign
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when compared to those
of another famous impostor,
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one who became so
desperate to hide his true identity
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that it not only cost
people their fortunes,
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it also cost them their lives.
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Sandra Boss,
a recent Harvard Business School graduate,
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marries Clark Rockefeller,
a man who is known to her
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as a member of
one of the wealthiest
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and most powerful
families in America.
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After the couple's
fairy‐tale wedding,
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Sandra went to work
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for a prestigious
consulting firm in Boston
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while Clark resumed working
on international poverty relief.
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But the fairy tale
didn't last long.
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He claimed he was
working on so many high‐level things,
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but he wasn't contributing
to the marriage financially.
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And he said, "Well,
to charge these struggling countries
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a fee would be, you know,
unconscionable."
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He didn't seem to want to
go out and get a regular job.
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And so she was
beginning to get tired of this.
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After more
than ten years of marriage,
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Sandra Boss finally had
enough and filed for divorce.
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It was a decision that would
not only unravel her marriage,
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but also unravel the strange
truth about her husband.
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Clark Rockefeller had
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no passport, no credit cards,
no birth certificate
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that she could find.
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She can't come
up with any documentation.
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So she really has the whip
hand during the divorce,
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and she ends up winning
custody of their daughter, Snooks.
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He's absolutely gobsmacked by this,
and he's miserable,
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because he is actually
devoted to his daughter.
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So he comes up with
this harebrained plan
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and he kidnaps his daughter.
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The FBI immediately launched
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a nationwide manhunt,
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but Clark Rockefeller
had vanished into thin air.
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And the reason the
authorities had such a hard time
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tracking down Clark Rockefeller
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was because
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there was no Clark Rockefeller.
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So,
I'm at home. My brother calls me.
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He goes,
"Turn on CNN right now."
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I turn on the TV,
and I look, and I go,
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"That's Christian
Gerhartsreiter."
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And it says right across the top,
"Clark Rockefeller."
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So we called the FBI and said,
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"This is Christian
Gerhartsreiter."
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He was a German exchange
student that came to our house.
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I was 15 at the time,
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and he was 17.
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But the FBI, like,
they didn't even know his name.
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It was covered in all the media,
on television,
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and when the AMBER Alert was issued,
he was apprehended.
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He was returned to
Boston to face charges.
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And that's when
his incredible life
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of all these different
personas unspooled.
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At trial,
Sandra watched as her husband, the man
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she had believed to be a
member of the Rockefeller family,
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was sentenced to four
to five years in prison
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for custodial kidnapping.
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But what was it that
compelled Christian
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to lie to his friends, family
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and associates for so long?
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The phenomenon of an
impostor is an interesting dichotomy
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that somebody has to live with.
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They have two stories
constantly colliding.
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And often, if you're going to
perpetuate that consistently,
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you have to almost
have a form of delusion,
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to be able to compartmentalize
one of those realities
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so that you can live your life
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without having this other
one on the back burner.
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Are impostors who
carry out elaborate deceptions
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acting out a kind
of wish fantasy?
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And if so, how does this fantasy
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first take hold in their mind?
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00:20:27,351 --> 00:20:31,147
For the answer,
perhaps it's best to look all the way back
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00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:33,190
into Christian's past.
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Christian Karl Gerhartsreiter
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00:20:36,944 --> 00:20:38,946
grew up in West Germany.
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By all accounts,
he was kind of a bit of an oddball,
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00:20:41,741 --> 00:20:43,826
prone to fantasy,
a little on the nerdy side,
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00:20:43,868 --> 00:20:48,164
and really wanted to
get out of West Germany.
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So in 1978,
he travels to the United States
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and shows up on the doorstep
of this family in Connecticut
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called the Savios,
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and just sort of
went into high school,
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00:20:59,925 --> 00:21:02,595
said he was an exchange student,
and things got
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progressively
stranger from there.
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He told me that
his father created parts
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for Mercedes‐Benz.
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And, of course, you know,
they had money.
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You know, servants.
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We all knew it was ridiculous.
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We laughed at it at the time.
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By 1985,
Christian had taken up residence
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on the West Coast.
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He had also taken a new name.
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He moved to San Marino,
which is a rich community
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00:21:29,246 --> 00:21:30,498
in Southern California,
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00:21:30,581 --> 00:21:33,459
and assumed the name
Christopher Chichester,
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00:21:33,542 --> 00:21:36,796
and announced that he was
part of the British royal family.
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He would go get free
lunches at social clubs
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00:21:40,466 --> 00:21:41,842
and private members clubs.
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He'd start schmoozing up
all the rich ladies in town,
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attends a very fancy church.
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Ends up living in the guesthouse
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of a local woman
named Ruth Sohus.
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He lives there rent‐free,
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00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:58,734
and all is well for a while,
but then
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Ruth's son, John,
shows up with his wife Linda.
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00:22:03,572 --> 00:22:05,199
And John, apparently,
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00:22:05,282 --> 00:22:08,577
was a bit suspicious of this
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00:22:08,702 --> 00:22:11,121
strange guy living
in Mom's guesthouse.
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00:22:11,205 --> 00:22:15,042
And then, all of a sudden,
Linda and her husband disappear.
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00:22:15,125 --> 00:22:18,379
Soon after Linda
and John Sohus disappeared,
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00:22:18,462 --> 00:22:20,798
so did Christopher Chichester.
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00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,677
And Christian the imposter
moved back to the East Coast,
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where he would eventually live
under his most infamous alias:
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00:22:28,931 --> 00:22:30,516
Clark Rockefeller.
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00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:34,270
The rest, as they say,
is history.
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00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:36,063
But not before
this bizarre story
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00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:39,650
took yet another
unexpected twist.
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In March of 2011,
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after Christian was convicted
of kidnapping his daughter,
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authorities in California
gathered enough evidence
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00:22:48,492 --> 00:22:50,744
to charge him with
a more serious crime
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00:22:50,828 --> 00:22:54,707
than any he had been
charged with before:
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00:22:54,832 --> 00:22:57,042
the 1985 murder
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00:22:57,167 --> 00:22:59,295
of John Sohus.
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00:23:01,213 --> 00:23:04,174
Ruth Sohus had passed away,
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00:23:04,258 --> 00:23:06,594
and another couple
had bought her home
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00:23:06,677 --> 00:23:08,846
and were installing
a swimming pool.
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00:23:08,971 --> 00:23:11,599
Where
Christian lived in San Marino,
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00:23:11,682 --> 00:23:15,519
they dug up the backyard
and discovered human remains.
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00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:18,856
And the body was
cut up into pieces,
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but it was wearing the
same kind of clothes
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that John Sohus typically wore:
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jeans and a flannel shirt.
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00:23:25,529 --> 00:23:29,325
And apparently,
parts were in bags from schools
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00:23:29,366 --> 00:23:32,536
that Christian
Gerhartsreiter had attended.
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00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:36,790
So then he was put on trial
for murdering John Sohus.
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He was found guilty,
and he is now an inmate
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in San Quentin
Prison in California.
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The police detective
that I interviewed
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00:23:44,214 --> 00:23:45,966
said that the motive was money.
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He was to inherit a
sizable amount of money
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00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:52,473
from Ruth Sohus,
and that's what they believed.
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00:23:52,556 --> 00:23:55,476
And Linda Sohus had disappeared
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00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:57,227
off the face of the earth.
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00:23:57,311 --> 00:23:58,646
What happened to Linda?
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That's still an enduring
mystery of this case.
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00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:03,525
Imposters like Christian,
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who are willing to lie‐‐
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00:24:05,027 --> 00:24:09,156
or even kill‐‐ for the sake
of protecting an illusion,
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00:24:09,239 --> 00:24:11,325
would certainly
seem to be troubled,
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00:24:11,408 --> 00:24:13,577
misguided individuals.
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00:24:13,661 --> 00:24:17,164
But if that's true,
then why do so many of us
486
00:24:17,206 --> 00:24:19,416
fall for their deceptions?
487
00:24:20,584 --> 00:24:22,461
Part of the magic story
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00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:24,964
is using a name
like Rockefeller.
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00:24:25,047 --> 00:24:28,008
It has a mana, a glitter to it.
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00:24:28,092 --> 00:24:29,635
It draws people.
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00:24:29,718 --> 00:24:32,554
And there is an
element of collusion.
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00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,057
So the inability to
catch the warning signs
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has to do with the intentional
blindness of the victim.
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00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:42,606
They want something,
and they want this story to be true,
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00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:45,359
so they're participating.
496
00:24:45,442 --> 00:24:47,528
That's
really the secret to a con.
497
00:24:47,611 --> 00:24:49,822
It's not about manufacturing
a whole fake reality.
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00:24:49,863 --> 00:24:51,448
Instead, it's finding the story
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00:24:51,532 --> 00:24:53,367
that people are
telling themselves
500
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:54,827
and just elaborating on it.
501
00:24:54,910 --> 00:24:56,745
They're able to
compartmentalize this reality,
502
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:59,164
because they're not
worried about somebody else.
503
00:24:59,248 --> 00:25:01,041
These, together,
present opportunity
504
00:25:01,125 --> 00:25:03,002
for somebody to be very evil.
505
00:25:04,336 --> 00:25:07,589
Today, instead of
going by the name Clark Rockefeller,
506
00:25:07,673 --> 00:25:12,136
Christian is known as
inmate number AR3108
507
00:25:12,177 --> 00:25:14,847
at San Quentin State Prison.
508
00:25:14,972 --> 00:25:18,017
Hopefully,
his days of adopting false identities
509
00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:20,060
have been ended forever.
510
00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:22,980
Unlike another imposter,
511
00:25:23,022 --> 00:25:26,066
whose assumption of a
new identity was so credible
512
00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:27,818
and so enduring
513
00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:31,321
that many remain convinced
that her deception was true,
514
00:25:31,363 --> 00:25:34,867
even decades after her death.
515
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:44,543
In the case of
impostors who have a damaged past,
516
00:25:44,626 --> 00:25:47,588
does the assumption of
a new identity help them
517
00:25:47,671 --> 00:25:50,466
to recover the details
of a forgotten life?
518
00:25:52,051 --> 00:25:55,679
Perhaps the answer can be found
by examining the case of a woman
519
00:25:55,763 --> 00:25:58,849
who many called an imposter,
520
00:25:58,932 --> 00:26:02,061
but who, until the day she died,
521
00:26:02,144 --> 00:26:04,188
insisted she was really
522
00:26:04,271 --> 00:26:08,150
a long‐lost Russian princess:
523
00:26:08,192 --> 00:26:12,654
the Grand Duchess, Anastasia.
524
00:26:19,703 --> 00:26:22,539
In the aftermath of the
Bolshevik Revolution,
525
00:26:22,664 --> 00:26:25,751
the exiled emperor,
Tsar Nicholas II,
526
00:26:25,834 --> 00:26:29,004
his wife Alexandra,
and their five children
527
00:26:29,088 --> 00:26:32,633
are awakened in the
night by their captors.
528
00:26:32,716 --> 00:26:35,177
Frightened and confused,
529
00:26:35,302 --> 00:26:38,347
they are herded along with
four of their loyal servants
530
00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:41,975
into the basement
of the Ipatiev House.
531
00:26:42,017 --> 00:26:44,812
There,
while waiting for further instructions,
532
00:26:44,937 --> 00:26:47,397
a group of Soviet secret police
533
00:26:47,481 --> 00:26:50,776
enter and raise their pistols.
534
00:26:50,859 --> 00:26:54,404
The last thing the
confused family hears.
535
00:26:54,488 --> 00:26:56,323
Is the sound of gunfire.
536
00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:04,123
After the execution,
the bodies of the Romanov family
537
00:27:04,206 --> 00:27:07,668
were burned and then
buried in a mass grave.
538
00:27:11,004 --> 00:27:14,633
But in the wake of the killing,
rumors emerged
539
00:27:14,716 --> 00:27:17,803
that the youngest daughter,
Anastasia,
540
00:27:17,845 --> 00:27:20,889
had survived the slaughter.
541
00:27:23,433 --> 00:27:27,980
I think the idea that
An‐Anastasia might have escaped,
542
00:27:28,021 --> 00:27:32,818
it seems to be because of
the chaos and the time it took
543
00:27:32,860 --> 00:27:37,614
for the true events
that night to come out.
544
00:27:37,698 --> 00:27:39,825
It was said that the
gunmen were drunk,
545
00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:43,829
and the cellar
was full of smoke.
546
00:27:44,705 --> 00:27:46,915
The story, such as it is,
547
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,585
is that she somehow
survived the shooting
548
00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:52,045
and that one of the
Bolshevik guards
549
00:27:52,129 --> 00:27:53,589
noticed she was alive
550
00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:56,675
and had this residual
sympathy for the royal family,
551
00:27:56,758 --> 00:27:58,677
and sneaked her
out of the death house
552
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,846
and put her on a horse cart
553
00:28:00,929 --> 00:28:03,265
and rode her to Romania.
554
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:19,364
The limp body of a young woman
555
00:28:19,448 --> 00:28:21,241
is pulled from a canal
556
00:28:21,325 --> 00:28:23,911
after a failed suicide attempt.
557
00:28:23,994 --> 00:28:28,665
Suffering from traumatic
amnesia and severe depression,
558
00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:31,251
she is admitted into
a mental hospital.
559
00:28:31,335 --> 00:28:35,464
The doctors,
unable to verify the woman's identity,
560
00:28:35,505 --> 00:28:38,383
refer to her as
Fraulein Unbekannt:
561
00:28:38,467 --> 00:28:41,178
Miss Unknown.
562
00:28:41,261 --> 00:28:43,764
She became
known as Miss Unknown,
563
00:28:43,847 --> 00:28:45,641
which lasted for months.
564
00:28:45,724 --> 00:28:48,894
And she was ripe
for having an identity
565
00:28:48,977 --> 00:28:50,437
sort of thrust on her.
566
00:28:51,855 --> 00:28:54,483
Most likely,
she has a primary diagnosis
567
00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,652
of post‐traumatic
stress disorder.
568
00:28:56,693 --> 00:28:59,154
Therefore, we have some deficits
569
00:28:59,196 --> 00:29:00,739
in cognition,
570
00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:03,158
we have some
bizarre emotionality,
571
00:29:03,242 --> 00:29:06,078
and we have someone
who's in a state
572
00:29:06,161 --> 00:29:11,124
of confusion, which comes
and goes in different gradations.
573
00:29:12,501 --> 00:29:14,378
Over the course of
about a year or so,
574
00:29:14,503 --> 00:29:17,464
another patient sort of
notices she looks a bit like
575
00:29:17,506 --> 00:29:20,926
one of the Romanov daughters,
and so these rumors emerge
576
00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:23,679
that she's connected
to the royal family.
577
00:29:25,055 --> 00:29:28,308
Once they've
latched on to some evidence
578
00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:30,644
that she might be Anastasia,
579
00:29:30,727 --> 00:29:34,481
it's all sort of a case
of confirmation bias.
580
00:29:34,523 --> 00:29:36,483
Everybody looks for the things.
581
00:29:36,566 --> 00:29:38,277
And I think, in a general way,
582
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,697
people wanted hope
out of a terrible tragedy.
583
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:43,699
It's a human instinct.
584
00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:47,160
And the survival of
Anastasia represented hope.
585
00:29:47,244 --> 00:29:49,454
In 1922,
586
00:29:49,538 --> 00:29:50,831
the mysterious woman,
587
00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:53,583
who had also gone by
the name Anna Anderson,
588
00:29:53,667 --> 00:29:55,210
was released from the hospital
589
00:29:55,294 --> 00:29:58,755
and soon began
calling herself Anastasia.
590
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,758
And it wasn't long
before her haunting story
591
00:30:01,842 --> 00:30:03,885
made worldwide headlines,
592
00:30:04,011 --> 00:30:05,971
prompting many to ask,
593
00:30:06,013 --> 00:30:09,349
"Was the woman
in Berlin an imposter
594
00:30:09,474 --> 00:30:11,893
or the Russian grand duchess?"
595
00:30:13,228 --> 00:30:16,315
She went viral,
in a sense, at that time,
596
00:30:16,356 --> 00:30:20,986
because the world was
hungry for that kind of scandal.
597
00:30:21,069 --> 00:30:23,989
Because she wasn't out there
598
00:30:24,031 --> 00:30:28,035
energetically trying
to perpetrate frauds
599
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,786
under the guise of
being this person.
600
00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:32,289
In a sense,
she was just put into a role.
601
00:30:34,374 --> 00:30:36,293
She was
somebody who was desperately
602
00:30:36,376 --> 00:30:37,753
searching for a reality,
603
00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:41,048
and she danced
through multiple realities.
604
00:30:41,173 --> 00:30:43,800
The question of whether she
was intentionally impersonating
605
00:30:43,884 --> 00:30:46,470
someone else or
whether that was the truth
606
00:30:46,511 --> 00:30:49,306
is still left up to history.
607
00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:54,269
There were quite a
few Anastasia imposters,
608
00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:57,814
but she benefitted from having
this sort of definite transition
609
00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:00,484
where she was
pulled from the canal.
610
00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:05,489
And the reason for her success
was because she was supported
611
00:31:05,572 --> 00:31:08,325
by members of the
Romanov family.
612
00:31:08,408 --> 00:31:12,579
Unfortunately, she was also
not supported by a lot of them.
613
00:31:12,704 --> 00:31:14,706
She had supporters
and detractors.
614
00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:16,792
But I think once you
have a grand duke
615
00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:18,668
or a prince on your side,
616
00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:20,921
then people will flock around.
617
00:31:21,004 --> 00:31:24,508
There's these
rumors that the Romanovs banked
618
00:31:24,633 --> 00:31:27,969
outside of Russia,
that they had millions of rubles
619
00:31:28,011 --> 00:31:30,430
in a British bank and all this.
620
00:31:30,514 --> 00:31:32,557
So the real Anastasia
621
00:31:32,641 --> 00:31:34,351
could be in for a fortune.
622
00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:38,105
So for a period of time
was really living it up.
623
00:31:38,188 --> 00:31:42,234
She, at one point,
was staying with European royals.
624
00:31:42,317 --> 00:31:45,112
Two of her big supporters
625
00:31:45,195 --> 00:31:46,822
in Germany were aristocrats,
626
00:31:46,947 --> 00:31:49,866
who supported Anastasia,
believed in her cause,
627
00:31:49,991 --> 00:31:51,827
even though she was
very difficult to handle.
628
00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,746
But these people were so sure
629
00:31:54,871 --> 00:31:57,374
that she was Anastasia,
they put up with a lot.
630
00:31:58,792 --> 00:32:00,072
Given that she possessed
631
00:32:00,127 --> 00:32:02,671
what was thought to
be a Russian accent,
632
00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:04,714
had scarring across
much of her body,
633
00:32:04,798 --> 00:32:07,801
which seemed consistent
with bayonet wounds,
634
00:32:07,843 --> 00:32:10,011
and cornflower‐blue eyes,
635
00:32:10,137 --> 00:32:13,515
which matched those of
the missing Grand Duchess,
636
00:32:13,598 --> 00:32:15,892
there was enough
compelling evidence to suggest
637
00:32:16,017 --> 00:32:18,770
that the young woman
pulled from the German canal
638
00:32:18,854 --> 00:32:21,273
might really be Anastasia.
639
00:32:21,356 --> 00:32:24,317
But given the nature
of the tsar's family's
640
00:32:24,401 --> 00:32:25,777
bloody execution,
641
00:32:25,861 --> 00:32:28,363
how could anyone survive?
642
00:32:40,208 --> 00:32:43,753
The young woman
claiming to be the Grand Duchess, Anastasia
643
00:32:43,837 --> 00:32:46,131
has taken up residence
at Castle Seeon
644
00:32:46,256 --> 00:32:48,967
as a guest of Duke
George of Leuchtenberg,
645
00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:52,012
a distant relative
of Tsar Nicholas II.
646
00:32:52,137 --> 00:32:54,139
But the aristocrats
and European royalty,
647
00:32:54,264 --> 00:32:57,434
who had been hosting the
strangely eccentric woman
648
00:32:57,517 --> 00:33:00,270
are beginning to suspect
that there is no way
649
00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:03,565
she could actually be the
long‐lost Russian princess.
650
00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:07,486
Especially after it is
reported that Anna Anderson
651
00:33:07,611 --> 00:33:11,156
actually had yet another name.
652
00:33:11,239 --> 00:33:13,992
What happened was in 1927,
653
00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:15,952
a detective looked
into her background,
654
00:33:16,036 --> 00:33:19,331
and the detective says,
"This is not Anastasia."
655
00:33:19,372 --> 00:33:23,293
This is a Polish peasant
girl named Franziska.
656
00:33:23,376 --> 00:33:26,213
And Franziska moved
from Poland to Berlin
657
00:33:26,296 --> 00:33:29,799
during the first World War and
suffered a severe head injury
658
00:33:29,883 --> 00:33:31,635
while working in
a munitions plant.
659
00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:36,306
There was an explosion,
so she had brain damage,
660
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:39,184
went into mental
homes after that,
661
00:33:39,267 --> 00:33:42,395
and then all of a sudden
jumps into a canal in 1920.
662
00:33:42,479 --> 00:33:45,315
And this triggers this
decades‐long argument.
663
00:33:45,398 --> 00:33:47,901
You know,
is this really Franziska
664
00:33:47,984 --> 00:33:50,320
or is this Anastasia?
665
00:33:50,362 --> 00:33:53,490
In 1938, as the controversy
666
00:33:53,532 --> 00:33:57,452
regarding Anna Anderson's
identity reached a fever pitch,
667
00:33:57,536 --> 00:34:00,330
the woman who had by
now firmly convinced herself
668
00:34:00,372 --> 00:34:03,083
that she was the real Anastasia
669
00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:05,794
petitioned a German
court to try her case
670
00:34:05,835 --> 00:34:08,088
and restore her birthright.
671
00:34:08,171 --> 00:34:11,466
It marked the beginning of
the longest‐running lawsuit
672
00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:12,801
in German history.
673
00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:15,929
For decades,
evidence was presented
674
00:34:16,012 --> 00:34:18,431
both for and
against Anna's claim,
675
00:34:18,515 --> 00:34:21,726
including comparisons
of handwriting samples
676
00:34:21,810 --> 00:34:27,315
and photographic comparisons
of Anna and Anastasia's ears.
677
00:34:27,357 --> 00:34:31,236
Officially,
Anna's court case ended in 1970,
678
00:34:31,319 --> 00:34:34,656
with neither side able
to conclusively establish
679
00:34:34,739 --> 00:34:37,158
the would‐be monarch's identity.
680
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,412
But that was by no
means the end of the story.
681
00:34:40,495 --> 00:34:44,791
In 1991,
seven years after Anna's death,
682
00:34:44,874 --> 00:34:48,128
the mangled remains of the
Romanov family were found
683
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:50,839
buried in a mass grave
just a short distance
684
00:34:50,964 --> 00:34:52,632
from where they were executed.
685
00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:58,305
And the investigators
were shocked to find
686
00:34:58,388 --> 00:35:01,975
that the remains of
the tsar's son Alexei
687
00:35:02,017 --> 00:35:04,519
and one of the
Romanov's four daughters
688
00:35:04,603 --> 00:35:07,397
were missing.
689
00:35:07,522 --> 00:35:09,566
In 1978,
690
00:35:09,691 --> 00:35:11,568
one of the killers of
the Romanov family
691
00:35:11,651 --> 00:35:14,487
made a confession,
and as a result of that,
692
00:35:14,571 --> 00:35:17,324
bodies were found under
some railway sidings.
693
00:35:17,365 --> 00:35:20,577
The guy who found the remains
694
00:35:20,702 --> 00:35:23,163
kept this a secret,
though, for two decades
695
00:35:23,246 --> 00:35:24,914
because the communists
were still in power
696
00:35:24,998 --> 00:35:28,335
and he kind of sensed this might
be a bad idea to tell everybody.
697
00:35:28,418 --> 00:35:31,463
This was in
the '90s and Anastasia,
698
00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:34,299
Anna Anderson,
had already died, unfortunately.
699
00:35:34,341 --> 00:35:37,344
But it was discovered that
two of the bodies were missing.
700
00:35:39,012 --> 00:35:41,306
Two of the bodies missing?
701
00:35:41,431 --> 00:35:45,060
Could it be that Anna
Anderson was not an impostor
702
00:35:45,185 --> 00:35:48,063
after all,
but the real Anastasia?
703
00:35:48,188 --> 00:35:50,357
When the news came through
704
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,568
that two bodies were missing,
everybody was rather excited
705
00:35:53,652 --> 00:35:57,697
and thought, "Well,
this proves that Ana‐Anastasia lived."
706
00:35:57,781 --> 00:36:02,077
However,
the bodies were then tested for DNA.
707
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,664
They compared samples of Anna
708
00:36:05,747 --> 00:36:08,958
and find that she doesn't
match the Romanovs at all.
709
00:36:09,042 --> 00:36:11,336
But there is a match between
710
00:36:11,461 --> 00:36:14,381
Anna and her
relatives of Franziska.
711
00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:19,177
Later on,
a second plot of bodies was found,
712
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:22,847
and the body of Anastasia is
713
00:36:22,931 --> 00:36:24,641
actually found and DNA‐tested.
714
00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:27,477
For a second time,
DNA testing is brought in
715
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,105
and said, "No, no, no,
Anastasia was buried
716
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:31,815
along with the
rest of her family."
717
00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:34,901
And Franziska
was totally deluded.
718
00:36:34,984 --> 00:36:39,322
But even today, there's people
who insist that the DNA tests
719
00:36:39,406 --> 00:36:41,991
were all fake and that
this really was Anastasia,
720
00:36:42,075 --> 00:36:44,494
and someone really did survive
721
00:36:44,536 --> 00:36:46,746
this brutal slaughter
of the royal family.
722
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:50,125
Strangely, Anna Anderson did
723
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:51,960
become something
larger than life.
724
00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:53,670
She became a legend.
725
00:36:53,753 --> 00:36:56,965
There have been many books.
726
00:36:57,006 --> 00:36:59,008
There have been movies,
a musical.
727
00:36:59,092 --> 00:37:01,136
We still love the story,
728
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:04,431
and when it is retold in
the fictionalized versions,
729
00:37:04,514 --> 00:37:07,392
she is always
really the princess.
730
00:37:07,475 --> 00:37:11,771
She was just a puppet of forces
731
00:37:11,855 --> 00:37:13,606
that were beyond her.
732
00:37:13,690 --> 00:37:15,817
And she was clearly
quite malleable
733
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,112
and was willing to become
734
00:37:19,195 --> 00:37:21,698
the persona that had
been assigned to her.
735
00:37:21,781 --> 00:37:24,367
Her capacity to be
736
00:37:24,451 --> 00:37:28,163
delusional clearly played
a part in the formation
737
00:37:28,288 --> 00:37:31,458
of this false identity,
738
00:37:31,541 --> 00:37:36,296
which she seemed to
live as if it were actual.
739
00:37:38,506 --> 00:37:40,967
Whether Anna
Anderson truly believed
740
00:37:41,050 --> 00:37:46,181
or simply wanted to believe
that she was Anastasia Romanov,
741
00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:49,309
she never wavered from her claim
742
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:51,895
even until the day she died.
743
00:37:51,978 --> 00:37:54,731
But what drives someone
744
00:37:54,814 --> 00:37:57,567
to stick to their story,
no matter what?
745
00:37:57,650 --> 00:38:00,403
For some, as it turns out,
it is not merely
746
00:38:00,487 --> 00:38:03,323
a choice, a con or a delusion.
747
00:38:03,448 --> 00:38:11,448
Some people are simply
born to be someone else.
748
00:38:13,541 --> 00:38:17,045
Jazz musician and band leaderpr
749
00:38:17,128 --> 00:38:22,008
during the 1940s and 50s,
dies at the age of 74 in his home.
750
00:38:22,091 --> 00:38:26,304
But when the paramedics arrive,
they make a shocking discovery.
751
00:38:26,387 --> 00:38:29,724
Billy Tipton was, in fact...
752
00:38:29,808 --> 00:38:31,309
a woman.
753
00:38:31,392 --> 00:38:34,479
Here's someone who was gifted,
a great pianist,
754
00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:40,068
a great saxophone player,
someone who had dramatic talent.
755
00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:43,321
But every time
Dorothy Lucille Tipton
756
00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:45,907
went for a musical audition,
757
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:49,285
she was turned down
regardless of obvious talent.
758
00:38:49,369 --> 00:38:52,539
One day here she is,
Dorothy Lucille Tipton
759
00:38:52,622 --> 00:38:54,666
changes her name
to Billy Tipton,
760
00:38:54,749 --> 00:38:58,586
cuts her hair short, puts on a suit,
goes in, gets the job.
761
00:38:58,670 --> 00:39:01,130
She's got the chops,
she's got the talent,
762
00:39:01,214 --> 00:39:02,799
and now she has the work.
763
00:39:02,924 --> 00:39:04,801
And she has a successful career,
764
00:39:04,884 --> 00:39:08,012
decades as a
successful jazz pianist.
765
00:39:09,848 --> 00:39:12,517
The Billy Tipton Trio
were quite popular.
766
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,143
They played all over the place.
767
00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:16,312
And by all accounts,
768
00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:19,148
they were a
well‐regarded jazz trio
769
00:39:19,232 --> 00:39:21,818
back in this era,
in the '50s, '60s.
770
00:39:21,943 --> 00:39:26,114
Billy Tipton was
looking to do something
771
00:39:26,197 --> 00:39:30,201
that was critically important
to her life‐‐ to make music
772
00:39:30,326 --> 00:39:33,037
and to be accepted
into a society
773
00:39:33,121 --> 00:39:35,415
that would not
have her as herself.
774
00:39:35,540 --> 00:39:38,626
She wasn't gonna let
something like gender
775
00:39:38,668 --> 00:39:41,713
or prejudice get in her way.
776
00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:48,553
Eventually, Billy became
so committed to living as a man
777
00:39:48,636 --> 00:39:51,431
that even his wives,
of which he had five
778
00:39:51,514 --> 00:39:52,849
over the course of his life,
779
00:39:52,932 --> 00:39:56,060
claimed to never know
the truth about Billy.
780
00:39:57,020 --> 00:40:00,106
The 30s, 40s,
50s were much primmer than today.
781
00:40:00,189 --> 00:40:03,192
Husbands and wives typically
didn't parade around naked
782
00:40:03,276 --> 00:40:04,611
in front of each other.
783
00:40:04,694 --> 00:40:08,323
This individual said,
784
00:40:08,364 --> 00:40:10,575
"I have a certain
kind of problem
785
00:40:10,658 --> 00:40:12,702
"where I can't have sex.
786
00:40:12,785 --> 00:40:14,913
"It comes from a
childhood injury,
787
00:40:14,996 --> 00:40:16,539
"too difficult to explain.
788
00:40:16,623 --> 00:40:20,376
"But I can be a
wonderful husband.
789
00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:22,629
I can be a wonderful father."
790
00:40:22,712 --> 00:40:25,298
And, therefore,
he was able to carry out
791
00:40:25,423 --> 00:40:28,760
this facade as Billy Tipton.
792
00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:32,055
There are
people in certain societies
793
00:40:32,138 --> 00:40:34,474
all over the world who,
794
00:40:34,515 --> 00:40:37,602
by virtue of the
prejudice of the society
795
00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:39,187
or the community
in which they live,
796
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:42,315
cannot allow themselves
to be themselves,
797
00:40:42,398 --> 00:40:44,484
which seems like
a real perversity
798
00:40:44,609 --> 00:40:47,528
that the only way they
could be real is to be fake.
799
00:40:47,654 --> 00:40:49,697
Because you are
living the secret,
800
00:40:49,781 --> 00:40:51,366
not just living with a secret.
801
00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:54,494
We have many
characters within ourselves.
802
00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:56,412
We're not consistent.
803
00:40:56,537 --> 00:40:58,790
We have a business self,
we have a social self,
804
00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:00,893
we have a parental self,
we have a good‐citizen self.
805
00:41:00,917 --> 00:41:05,046
And this brings up
some issues about reality.
806
00:41:05,129 --> 00:41:07,882
An old thief once told me
that you have to die with a lie.
807
00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:09,801
If somebody finds
out that you're a fraud,
808
00:41:09,842 --> 00:41:12,178
they'll think you're a fraud
from that point forward.
809
00:41:12,261 --> 00:41:15,974
Billy Tipton died with that lie,
but for him, that wasn't a lie.
810
00:41:16,015 --> 00:41:17,809
That was his truth.
811
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:23,982
For Billy Tipton,
living as a man was more than a role.
812
00:41:24,023 --> 00:41:26,526
It was his life.
813
00:41:26,609 --> 00:41:29,278
But when a person
commits themselves
814
00:41:29,362 --> 00:41:31,531
to an impersonation
so thoroughly,
815
00:41:31,614 --> 00:41:34,117
which part of them is more real?
816
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,160
Who they were?
817
00:41:36,244 --> 00:41:39,872
Or who they've chosen to become?
818
00:41:41,207 --> 00:41:45,086
Perhaps they exist to
remind us that who we are
819
00:41:45,169 --> 00:41:47,755
and who we think we are
are not always the same.
820
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:51,134
And that our own carefully
constructed facades
821
00:41:51,259 --> 00:41:53,261
could shatter at any moment,
822
00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:56,639
exposing the parts of ourselves
we would prefer to keep hidden
823
00:41:56,723 --> 00:41:59,642
and, um... unexplained.
824
00:41:59,726 --> 00:42:02,854
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