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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,356 --> 00:00:11,141 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:11,184 --> 00:00:12,446 the people are represented 3 00:00:12,490 --> 00:00:14,840 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:14,883 --> 00:00:16,798 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:16,842 --> 00:00:19,758 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:19,801 --> 00:00:22,848 These are their stories. 7 00:00:22,891 --> 00:00:24,676 We're trying to carve out a middle ground-- 8 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:26,330 a place where these issues can be discussed 9 00:00:26,373 --> 00:00:28,071 in a civil manner. - Only if we agree with you. 10 00:00:28,114 --> 00:00:31,161 If we disagree, then we're suddenly idiots or hicks. 11 00:00:31,204 --> 00:00:32,684 - That's not true. - I see and hear it 12 00:00:32,727 --> 00:00:34,207 every day, Derek-- 13 00:00:34,251 --> 00:00:37,036 liberals refusing to discuss issues that really matter: 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:38,907 economic issues, geopolitical issues-- 15 00:00:38,951 --> 00:00:41,780 as far as I can see, the only thing you guys wanna talk about 16 00:00:41,823 --> 00:00:43,390 is identity politics; 17 00:00:43,434 --> 00:00:45,740 gender, race, sexual identity. 18 00:00:45,784 --> 00:00:47,438 I swear to God, it's like you spend 19 00:00:47,481 --> 00:00:50,397 all your time and energy just inventing ways to be offended. 20 00:00:50,441 --> 00:00:51,485 But it's more complicated than that. 21 00:00:51,529 --> 00:00:52,834 No! No. 22 00:00:52,878 --> 00:00:54,575 See, there you go again, pandering to us morons, 23 00:00:54,619 --> 00:00:56,534 'cause we can't quite grasp the subtleties 24 00:00:56,577 --> 00:00:58,492 of the complex liberal platform. 25 00:00:58,536 --> 00:01:00,146 I just think we need to talk about these issues 26 00:01:00,190 --> 00:01:01,930 in a serious, honest way. 27 00:01:01,974 --> 00:01:04,672 There's a middle road here, a way to bridge the gap. 28 00:01:04,716 --> 00:01:06,587 We need to have more conversations-- 29 00:01:06,631 --> 00:01:08,546 Do you believe the leaders of the Democratic Party 30 00:01:08,589 --> 00:01:10,330 are involved in the sexual exploitation 31 00:01:10,374 --> 00:01:11,679 of underage boys and girls? 32 00:01:11,723 --> 00:01:14,552 [dramatic music] 33 00:01:14,595 --> 00:01:16,380 - Are you really doing this? - Doing what? 34 00:01:16,423 --> 00:01:18,164 Talking about this QAnon crap. 35 00:01:18,208 --> 00:01:19,905 You told me-- 36 00:01:19,948 --> 00:01:21,994 you promised me this would be a civil, 37 00:01:22,037 --> 00:01:23,952 constructive conversation, 38 00:01:23,996 --> 00:01:26,520 that we'd debate the issues. 39 00:01:27,913 --> 00:01:31,221 You still haven't answered the question, Mr. Hoyt. 40 00:01:31,264 --> 00:01:33,179 [tense, dramatic music] 41 00:01:33,223 --> 00:01:34,180 Go to hell. 42 00:01:34,224 --> 00:01:38,750 43 00:01:38,793 --> 00:01:40,012 [door clicks shut] 44 00:01:40,055 --> 00:01:41,709 People can sit in their basement apartment 45 00:01:41,753 --> 00:01:45,365 surrounded by cats and pizza boxes and just spew hate. 46 00:01:45,409 --> 00:01:46,932 Yeah, 'cause there aren't any consequences. 47 00:01:46,975 --> 00:01:48,412 You can't fight back either. 48 00:01:48,455 --> 00:01:50,675 You tweet back? You're a troll. 49 00:01:50,718 --> 00:01:53,373 Two weeks ago, this idiot called me a racist, 50 00:01:53,417 --> 00:01:55,201 because I said - Jay- - Z is overrated. 51 00:01:55,245 --> 00:01:56,811 Like, what? 52 00:01:56,855 --> 00:01:58,639 Back in the day, if you wanted to call out someone, 53 00:01:58,683 --> 00:02:00,511 you did it in person, face-to-face. 54 00:02:00,554 --> 00:02:01,773 And you just might get your damn ass kicked too-- 55 00:02:01,816 --> 00:02:04,732 [tires squeal and crash, screaming] 56 00:02:04,776 --> 00:02:06,212 [line ringing] 57 00:02:06,256 --> 00:02:07,822 911. What's your emergency? 58 00:02:07,866 --> 00:02:09,911 I'm on the corner of 29th and 10th. 59 00:02:09,955 --> 00:02:12,262 Someone just got hit by a bus. - And what's his condition? 60 00:02:12,305 --> 00:02:14,177 He's bleeding. It's really bad. 61 00:02:14,220 --> 00:02:16,744 62 00:02:16,788 --> 00:02:18,137 [groans] 63 00:02:18,181 --> 00:02:20,052 64 00:02:20,095 --> 00:02:22,750 [indistinct shouting] You all witnessed it. 65 00:02:22,794 --> 00:02:25,623 Why are we here, Officer Washington? 66 00:02:25,666 --> 00:02:27,233 'Cause it wasn't an accident. 67 00:02:27,277 --> 00:02:28,669 Two witnesses saw some dude 68 00:02:28,713 --> 00:02:30,802 push the DOA in front of the bus. 69 00:02:30,845 --> 00:02:32,717 These witnesses get a good look at the guy? 70 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,066 No. 71 00:02:34,109 --> 00:02:36,982 He was wearing a facemask and a dark winter hat. 72 00:02:37,025 --> 00:02:38,505 What about the bus driver? 73 00:02:38,549 --> 00:02:41,334 She didn't wanna talk. 74 00:02:41,378 --> 00:02:42,944 Said she's too upset. 75 00:02:44,511 --> 00:02:46,644 Did he seem mentally ill? 76 00:02:46,687 --> 00:02:48,298 Did he say anything specific? 77 00:02:48,341 --> 00:02:49,690 No, he just rolled up on the dude 78 00:02:49,734 --> 00:02:51,301 and shoved him into the street. 79 00:02:51,344 --> 00:02:53,781 You got a good look at him. Did you see his complexion? 80 00:02:53,825 --> 00:02:55,827 Uh, he was white, 81 00:02:55,870 --> 00:02:57,176 maybe brown. 82 00:02:57,220 --> 00:02:58,351 I couldn't really tell, 'cause he was wearing 83 00:02:58,395 --> 00:03:00,571 a facemask and a dark ski hat. 84 00:03:00,614 --> 00:03:02,442 Okay. What was his body type? 85 00:03:02,486 --> 00:03:05,445 Was he tall, or short, heavyset, thin? 86 00:03:05,489 --> 00:03:07,752 5'10", but he definitely wasn't skinny. 87 00:03:07,795 --> 00:03:09,884 More like beefy. 88 00:03:09,928 --> 00:03:11,321 Thank you. 89 00:03:11,364 --> 00:03:12,757 What do you got? 90 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,933 Downloaded the bus cam footage. 91 00:03:16,978 --> 00:03:18,066 Wow. 92 00:03:18,110 --> 00:03:20,243 That's a lot of hate behind that push. 93 00:03:20,286 --> 00:03:21,766 Question is why? 94 00:03:21,809 --> 00:03:25,335 95 00:03:25,378 --> 00:03:28,425 [dramatic music] 96 00:03:28,468 --> 00:03:35,606 97 00:03:45,485 --> 00:03:52,623 98 00:04:02,502 --> 00:04:09,640 99 00:04:12,643 --> 00:04:16,342 I have no idea why someone would wanna kill Derek. 100 00:04:16,386 --> 00:04:18,388 It doesn't make sense. 101 00:04:18,431 --> 00:04:20,564 Did you and Derek have any problems? 102 00:04:20,607 --> 00:04:23,218 No. Everything was great. 103 00:04:23,262 --> 00:04:25,699 Forgive me for asking, it's just part of the process. 104 00:04:25,743 --> 00:04:28,920 Were either you or your husband involved with anyone else? 105 00:04:28,963 --> 00:04:31,139 No, nothing like that. 106 00:04:31,183 --> 00:04:34,752 Did Derek gamble, drink? 107 00:04:34,795 --> 00:04:36,536 Uh, 108 00:04:36,580 --> 00:04:38,321 maybe a glass of wine here and there, but... 109 00:04:41,411 --> 00:04:43,891 He was a good person. 110 00:04:43,935 --> 00:04:48,461 He loved being a father, a husband. 111 00:04:48,505 --> 00:04:50,594 He was going to run for Congress too. 112 00:04:50,637 --> 00:04:53,248 He wanted to... 113 00:04:53,292 --> 00:04:55,599 give back, make a difference. 114 00:04:57,427 --> 00:05:00,473 It sounds cliché, but he really meant it. 115 00:05:00,517 --> 00:05:03,346 [indistinct chatter] 116 00:05:03,389 --> 00:05:04,999 I'll be there in a minute. 117 00:05:05,043 --> 00:05:06,392 Go play with Laura, okay? 118 00:05:06,436 --> 00:05:13,530 119 00:05:16,707 --> 00:05:20,580 Uh, if you can think of anything else, 120 00:05:20,624 --> 00:05:22,277 would you give us a call? 121 00:05:22,321 --> 00:05:23,322 Yeah. 122 00:05:23,366 --> 00:05:25,846 123 00:05:25,890 --> 00:05:29,415 It might be nothing, but Derek got into an argument 124 00:05:29,459 --> 00:05:32,679 with another man a few weeks ago. 125 00:05:32,723 --> 00:05:35,769 We were having dinner, and... 126 00:05:35,813 --> 00:05:38,381 this guy started yelling at him. 127 00:05:38,424 --> 00:05:40,600 It got really heated. 128 00:05:40,644 --> 00:05:43,124 Do you remember what they were arguing about? 129 00:05:43,168 --> 00:05:47,259 No, he just kept calling Derek a liar and a phony. 130 00:05:47,302 --> 00:05:49,130 Then Derek pushed him away. 131 00:05:49,174 --> 00:05:54,440 132 00:05:54,484 --> 00:05:58,139 Yeah, Derek and I got into it pretty good that night. 133 00:05:58,183 --> 00:05:59,576 Wasn't a big deal, though. 134 00:05:59,619 --> 00:06:02,666 Just a couple of alpha dogs barking at each other. 135 00:06:02,709 --> 00:06:05,930 What were you two barking about? 136 00:06:05,973 --> 00:06:08,498 I tried to buy his firm, but he sold it to someone else. 137 00:06:08,541 --> 00:06:10,064 Offered him 50% more than I did. 138 00:06:10,108 --> 00:06:12,502 You were pissed that another company 139 00:06:12,545 --> 00:06:13,894 wanted to pay more money? 140 00:06:13,938 --> 00:06:15,113 I was pissed because he didn't give me 141 00:06:15,156 --> 00:06:16,462 a chance to counter. 142 00:06:16,506 --> 00:06:18,551 Pissed enough to shove him in front of a bus? 143 00:06:18,595 --> 00:06:19,944 [scoffs] Please. 144 00:06:19,987 --> 00:06:21,859 I loved Derek. - I saw the video. 145 00:06:21,902 --> 00:06:24,078 I didn't see a lot of love there. 146 00:06:24,122 --> 00:06:27,734 What you saw was two real men talking business-- 147 00:06:27,778 --> 00:06:32,130 face-to-face, no lawyers, no PR, no social media. 148 00:06:32,173 --> 00:06:34,611 Just a couple of grown-ass men gettin' after it. 149 00:06:34,654 --> 00:06:39,093 Unfortunately, Derek is now dead. 150 00:06:39,137 --> 00:06:40,660 And that sucks. 151 00:06:40,704 --> 00:06:43,054 Like I said, he was a good dude. 152 00:06:43,097 --> 00:06:45,839 Did you talk to or see him after the altercation 153 00:06:45,883 --> 00:06:48,015 at the restaurant? - Yeah, met him for coffee 154 00:06:48,059 --> 00:06:49,321 a few days ago. 155 00:06:49,364 --> 00:06:50,670 Like a real man? 156 00:06:50,714 --> 00:06:53,064 Pledged a million dollars to his campaign too. 157 00:06:53,107 --> 00:06:55,501 - Hm. - And that was the last time 158 00:06:55,545 --> 00:06:57,024 you saw him? - Well, technically, 159 00:06:57,068 --> 00:06:58,939 the last time was in front of his building. 160 00:06:58,983 --> 00:07:01,681 He shook my hand, said thanks, and that was that. 161 00:07:01,725 --> 00:07:04,771 Did he mention anything unusual, 162 00:07:04,815 --> 00:07:06,120 maybe somebody harassing him? 163 00:07:06,164 --> 00:07:07,861 There was this guy following us. 164 00:07:07,905 --> 00:07:09,994 Looked like he was taking photos too. 165 00:07:10,037 --> 00:07:11,735 Do you remember what he looked like? 166 00:07:11,778 --> 00:07:13,998 White, about 50, 167 00:07:14,041 --> 00:07:15,826 average height. 168 00:07:15,869 --> 00:07:18,132 He was wearing a Phillies hat. 169 00:07:18,176 --> 00:07:21,179 [indistinct chatter, phones ringing] 170 00:07:21,222 --> 00:07:22,789 [ominous music] 171 00:07:22,833 --> 00:07:24,661 Think I got something. 172 00:07:24,704 --> 00:07:26,619 What do you got? 173 00:07:26,663 --> 00:07:29,970 Look at this guy with the camera. 174 00:07:30,014 --> 00:07:32,538 Can you zoom in, get a better look at his face? 175 00:07:34,584 --> 00:07:35,933 No, that's the best I can do. 176 00:07:35,976 --> 00:07:38,283 Take a look at that jacket. 177 00:07:38,326 --> 00:07:42,461 NYPD Fighting 19th Softball. 178 00:07:42,505 --> 00:07:44,376 Guy's a cop. 179 00:07:44,419 --> 00:07:46,204 Or a softball groupie. 180 00:07:46,247 --> 00:07:49,468 Send that over to the 19th. See if anyone recognizes him. 181 00:07:49,512 --> 00:07:54,168 182 00:07:54,212 --> 00:07:55,561 Yeah, that's me. 183 00:07:55,605 --> 00:07:58,521 I was followin' the guy on the right, Derek Hoyt. 184 00:07:58,564 --> 00:08:00,044 Why? 185 00:08:00,087 --> 00:08:02,307 Got hired about a month ago to find some dirt. 186 00:08:02,350 --> 00:08:05,136 But I came up empty. Guy's squeaky clean. 187 00:08:05,179 --> 00:08:07,704 Then last week, they asked me to give it another whirl. 188 00:08:07,747 --> 00:08:09,575 What were they hoping to find? 189 00:08:09,619 --> 00:08:11,490 Don't know. Didn't ask. 190 00:08:11,534 --> 00:08:12,883 Gotta pay the bills, bro. 191 00:08:12,926 --> 00:08:14,928 Hell of a way to do it. 192 00:08:14,972 --> 00:08:18,018 Do me a favor. Don't judge. 193 00:08:18,062 --> 00:08:20,281 During the course of your, uh, investigation, 194 00:08:20,325 --> 00:08:22,849 did you happen to find anything of concern? 195 00:08:22,893 --> 00:08:25,199 No, nothing even close. 196 00:08:26,592 --> 00:08:28,202 So who hired you? 197 00:08:28,246 --> 00:08:31,249 Who was looking for all this dirt on Derek Hoyt? 198 00:08:35,122 --> 00:08:37,211 199 00:08:37,255 --> 00:08:38,343 That's so crazy. 200 00:08:38,386 --> 00:08:39,866 I just interviewed him this morning. 201 00:08:39,910 --> 00:08:43,478 - Mm. - So how can I help? 202 00:08:43,522 --> 00:08:47,004 Well, you can start by, uh, telling us why you hired 203 00:08:47,047 --> 00:08:49,876 a P.I. to dig up dirt on Mr. Hoyt. 204 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,052 What's that got to do with him gettin' hit by a bus? 205 00:08:52,096 --> 00:08:53,706 I don't know, maybe nothin'. 206 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:54,881 We're trying to figure out 207 00:08:54,925 --> 00:08:56,927 why someone would try to kill him. 208 00:08:58,102 --> 00:08:59,669 I don't know. I know he was planning 209 00:08:59,712 --> 00:09:01,235 on running for Congress, 210 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:03,629 and that the power brokers in the Democratic Party 211 00:09:03,673 --> 00:09:07,807 were talking about him like he was the, uh, next big thing-- 212 00:09:07,851 --> 00:09:11,071 AOC with some brains. [chuckles] 213 00:09:11,115 --> 00:09:13,944 Uh, that was a joke. Sorry. 214 00:09:13,987 --> 00:09:16,686 Didn't mean to offend your left-wing sensibilities. 215 00:09:16,729 --> 00:09:19,427 No, you didn't offend us. It wasn't funny. 216 00:09:19,471 --> 00:09:21,299 Oh, tough crowd. 217 00:09:21,342 --> 00:09:24,084 More like impatient. We're investigating a murder. 218 00:09:24,128 --> 00:09:26,086 You're right, you're right. I'm sorry. 219 00:09:26,130 --> 00:09:27,697 I'd heard some rumors about Hoyt, 220 00:09:27,740 --> 00:09:30,090 so I hired a P.I. for him, to look into him. 221 00:09:30,134 --> 00:09:32,223 I didn't want to publish anything without confirmation. 222 00:09:32,266 --> 00:09:35,879 Hm, because of your journalistic integrity? 223 00:09:35,922 --> 00:09:37,620 What kind of rumors? 224 00:09:37,663 --> 00:09:39,665 I'd rather not comment on that. 225 00:09:39,709 --> 00:09:40,884 You know, now that he's gone, 226 00:09:40,927 --> 00:09:43,321 there's no need to besmirch the deceased. 227 00:09:43,364 --> 00:09:44,931 Ha! [laughs] 228 00:09:44,975 --> 00:09:46,324 - Yeah. - Now, that's funny. 229 00:09:46,367 --> 00:09:49,109 You know, you pretending to have ethical standards. 230 00:09:49,153 --> 00:09:51,938 Your whole mission is to cultivate hate and mistrust. 231 00:09:51,982 --> 00:09:54,680 I run a media business, all right? 232 00:09:54,724 --> 00:09:56,334 I give the people what they want-- 233 00:09:56,377 --> 00:09:57,683 real people-- 234 00:09:57,727 --> 00:10:00,643 real, honest, hardworking, middle-class people 235 00:10:00,686 --> 00:10:02,383 who love this country 236 00:10:02,427 --> 00:10:04,516 who can't relate to the rich, coastal elites 237 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,954 who control the media and the political narrative. 238 00:10:07,998 --> 00:10:10,565 Come on, you really think some roofer from Akron 239 00:10:10,609 --> 00:10:11,871 with a mortgage and three kids 240 00:10:11,915 --> 00:10:14,395 gives a rat's ass about somebody's pronoun? 241 00:10:14,439 --> 00:10:18,443 So you...don't believe liberals eat babies, 242 00:10:18,486 --> 00:10:20,967 or that Black people's obsession with racism 243 00:10:21,011 --> 00:10:22,403 is destroying the country? 244 00:10:22,447 --> 00:10:24,667 It doesn't matter what I believe. 245 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:26,712 It matters what sells. 246 00:10:26,756 --> 00:10:29,149 And destroying Hoyt would sell? 247 00:10:29,193 --> 00:10:32,675 Yeah, destroying him would've been a home run. 248 00:10:32,718 --> 00:10:33,763 But he's gone. 249 00:10:33,806 --> 00:10:35,025 So we'll just have to find 250 00:10:35,068 --> 00:10:37,157 another Democratic heartthrob to lambaste. 251 00:10:37,201 --> 00:10:38,811 [chuckles] 252 00:10:38,855 --> 00:10:40,465 So far, we're coming up empty. 253 00:10:40,508 --> 00:10:42,467 Victim is a choir boy. 254 00:10:42,510 --> 00:10:44,251 No vices, no motives, 255 00:10:44,295 --> 00:10:46,123 even that right-wing prick, Reed, 256 00:10:46,166 --> 00:10:47,515 can't dig up any dirt on him. 257 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,474 Yeah, could just be a random act of violence-- 258 00:10:49,517 --> 00:10:51,998 an emotionally unstable guy acting on impulse. 259 00:10:52,042 --> 00:10:55,001 Well, it's possible, but keep digging 260 00:10:55,045 --> 00:10:56,394 into this Jordan Reed angle. 261 00:10:56,437 --> 00:10:58,178 He said there were some rumors swirling, 262 00:10:58,222 --> 00:10:59,876 so let's find out what they were. 263 00:10:59,919 --> 00:11:01,791 - Mm-hmm. - Think I know! 264 00:11:01,834 --> 00:11:03,140 Computer Crimes just did a deep dive 265 00:11:03,183 --> 00:11:05,055 on the victim's electronic devices-- 266 00:11:05,098 --> 00:11:06,360 found some deleted emails 267 00:11:06,404 --> 00:11:08,145 filled with veiled death threats. 268 00:11:08,188 --> 00:11:10,625 "You're a gutless pig. You deserve to die." 269 00:11:10,669 --> 00:11:11,844 Know where they came from? 270 00:11:11,888 --> 00:11:14,064 No, they were sent from an untraceable app. 271 00:11:14,107 --> 00:11:16,022 Good news is, if you want to call it that, 272 00:11:16,066 --> 00:11:19,025 pretty sure I know why these guys are threatening him. 273 00:11:19,069 --> 00:11:21,288 Found this on his deleted email folder. 274 00:11:21,332 --> 00:11:25,379 This young girl Hoyt's with is definitely not his daughter. 275 00:11:25,423 --> 00:11:27,642 276 00:11:27,686 --> 00:11:29,296 So much for being a choir boy. 277 00:11:29,340 --> 00:11:31,168 278 00:11:33,431 --> 00:11:35,868 This doesn't make any sense. Where'd you get these photos? 279 00:11:35,912 --> 00:11:37,914 Off his computer. 280 00:11:37,957 --> 00:11:39,916 There's no way Derek would ever be involved. 281 00:11:39,959 --> 00:11:41,831 No, well, these are just photos, ma'am, 282 00:11:41,874 --> 00:11:44,834 we don't have any proof of anything illegal at the moment. 283 00:11:44,877 --> 00:11:47,140 We're just trying to ID the young girls in the photos 284 00:11:47,184 --> 00:11:49,621 so we can contact their parents. 285 00:11:49,664 --> 00:11:51,710 Sorry, it's just the way it is. 286 00:11:51,754 --> 00:11:52,798 Do you know these two girls? 287 00:11:55,322 --> 00:11:56,759 I know her. 288 00:11:56,802 --> 00:11:58,456 She goes to my daughter's school. 289 00:11:58,499 --> 00:12:01,154 [somber music] 290 00:12:01,198 --> 00:12:04,288 It's a good thing this sick son of a bitch is dead. 291 00:12:04,331 --> 00:12:05,550 Mm. 292 00:12:05,593 --> 00:12:07,508 So you were unaware of these pictures? 293 00:12:07,552 --> 00:12:09,772 Never seen them before? - Correct. 294 00:12:09,815 --> 00:12:13,253 Mm-hmm, I'm gonna give you a mulligan on that one, Stewart. 295 00:12:13,297 --> 00:12:14,515 Excuse me? 296 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,561 Bad idea to lie to the police. 297 00:12:16,604 --> 00:12:19,172 That's you, isn't it, bangin' on Hoyt's front door? 298 00:12:19,216 --> 00:12:21,871 Okay, I was...aware. 299 00:12:21,914 --> 00:12:24,569 A friend called, said there were some photos circulating 300 00:12:24,612 --> 00:12:27,354 on some right-wing chat room. 301 00:12:27,398 --> 00:12:29,487 I flipped out. I ran over to Hoyt's building. 302 00:12:29,530 --> 00:12:32,229 I wanted to talk to him-- no, you know what? 303 00:12:32,272 --> 00:12:34,405 I wanted to beat his ass into the ground. 304 00:12:34,448 --> 00:12:35,798 But he wasn't home. 305 00:12:35,841 --> 00:12:38,278 So you never got the chance to confront him 306 00:12:38,322 --> 00:12:39,845 about these photos? - No. 307 00:12:39,889 --> 00:12:42,717 I tried, trust me. But he died. 308 00:12:42,761 --> 00:12:45,590 Got hit by a car. - Bus. 309 00:12:45,633 --> 00:12:47,853 A bus someone pushed him in front of. 310 00:12:47,897 --> 00:12:51,552 - You asking me if I-- - We are. 311 00:12:51,596 --> 00:12:53,990 No, I didn't kill him. 312 00:12:55,469 --> 00:12:56,819 You know who this girl is? 313 00:12:56,862 --> 00:12:58,864 Yeah, that's Kimberly Ryan. 314 00:12:58,908 --> 00:13:00,561 She's on the same basketball team 315 00:13:00,605 --> 00:13:03,347 as my daughter and Hoyt's daughter. 316 00:13:03,390 --> 00:13:04,783 That's definitely my daughter, 317 00:13:04,827 --> 00:13:09,309 but she's never been alone with Hoyt, ever. 318 00:13:09,353 --> 00:13:10,702 I'm not sure how he-- 319 00:13:10,745 --> 00:13:12,965 Maybe at a basketball game, or a sleepover. 320 00:13:13,009 --> 00:13:16,273 No, our kids aren't really friends. 321 00:13:16,316 --> 00:13:18,841 Can I look at those photos again? 322 00:13:20,973 --> 00:13:21,887 Yeah. 323 00:13:24,847 --> 00:13:28,067 My daughter's clothing and her facial expressions, 324 00:13:28,111 --> 00:13:31,288 they match what's on my wife's social media feed. 325 00:13:31,331 --> 00:13:33,856 Yeah, see? 326 00:13:33,899 --> 00:13:36,293 Same smile, same clothes, 327 00:13:36,336 --> 00:13:38,599 same body angle. 328 00:13:38,643 --> 00:13:40,253 Someone photoshopped these. 329 00:13:40,297 --> 00:13:42,473 330 00:13:42,516 --> 00:13:43,953 Well, the techs just confirmed 331 00:13:43,996 --> 00:13:45,432 the pictures are fake. 332 00:13:45,476 --> 00:13:47,086 So Hoyt wasn't a pedophile? 333 00:13:47,130 --> 00:13:49,045 He was a victim of an online smear campaign? 334 00:13:49,088 --> 00:13:50,481 Ah, sure seems like that. 335 00:13:50,524 --> 00:13:51,917 Hey, sorry to interrupt, 336 00:13:51,961 --> 00:13:53,745 but I'm scrolling through this online forum 337 00:13:53,788 --> 00:13:55,268 where the photos of Hoyt were circulating, 338 00:13:55,312 --> 00:13:56,835 and it is crazy. 339 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:59,794 There's lots of chatter about JFK Jr. being alive, 340 00:13:59,838 --> 00:14:02,145 and high-ranking democrats sex-trafficking underage kids. 341 00:14:02,188 --> 00:14:06,236 But one guy stands out as being the craziest of the crazies. 342 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:07,846 Someone named "Warri0r-p0se" 343 00:14:07,890 --> 00:14:09,674 posted some pretty outrageous statements. 344 00:14:09,717 --> 00:14:12,155 "Hoyt will never touch another young girl." 345 00:14:12,198 --> 00:14:14,679 And he posted one this morning too at 11:12 a.m. 346 00:14:14,722 --> 00:14:17,725 an hour after the murder. 347 00:14:17,769 --> 00:14:19,684 "Hoyt is no longer a problem. 348 00:14:19,727 --> 00:14:21,381 God bless America." 349 00:14:21,425 --> 00:14:23,296 Run down the IP address right away. 350 00:14:23,340 --> 00:14:24,994 I already did. Post was sent from a café 351 00:14:25,037 --> 00:14:27,083 in Brooklyn called Coffee and Smile. 352 00:14:27,126 --> 00:14:29,476 - Oh. - Mm. 353 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,391 Why has it become mandatory for coffee shops 354 00:14:31,435 --> 00:14:33,176 to be called stupid names? 355 00:14:33,219 --> 00:14:35,047 That's why I drink tea. 356 00:14:35,091 --> 00:14:37,136 Talk to the manager. See if they have video, 357 00:14:37,180 --> 00:14:39,356 and see if you can find out who sent those posts. 358 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:41,227 - All right. - You got it. 359 00:14:41,271 --> 00:14:44,404 [motor running] 360 00:14:47,103 --> 00:14:48,495 Hey. 361 00:14:48,539 --> 00:14:50,497 Manny Lopez! - Yeah? 362 00:14:50,541 --> 00:14:52,673 Yeah, we need to talk. 363 00:14:52,717 --> 00:14:54,719 - About what? - Is that you drinking coffee 364 00:14:54,762 --> 00:14:57,026 at a place called Coffee and Smile? 365 00:14:57,069 --> 00:14:59,028 - Is that a crime? - Uh, no, not yet. 366 00:14:59,071 --> 00:15:01,160 But the way things are going, who knows? 367 00:15:01,204 --> 00:15:03,554 Might be considered racist someday soon. 368 00:15:03,597 --> 00:15:05,599 It's only a matter of time, huh? 369 00:15:05,643 --> 00:15:06,905 Well, there is a crime 370 00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:10,387 against pushing someone in front of a bus. 371 00:15:10,430 --> 00:15:12,215 That's why we're really here. 372 00:15:12,258 --> 00:15:13,781 Come on. 373 00:15:13,825 --> 00:15:16,045 Let's take a ride down to the precinct. 374 00:15:17,220 --> 00:15:18,134 [door shuts] 375 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:23,139 Manny, we, uh-- we analyzed your emails 376 00:15:23,182 --> 00:15:26,011 and your chat history. 377 00:15:26,055 --> 00:15:28,405 You weren't the biggest fan of Derek Hoyt. 378 00:15:28,448 --> 00:15:31,886 Don't worry, bro. There's more. 379 00:15:31,930 --> 00:15:36,065 We found video of you near the intersection of 29th and 10th 380 00:15:36,108 --> 00:15:38,719 right around the time Hoyt was murdered. 381 00:15:38,763 --> 00:15:40,808 Look at you, plain as day, 382 00:15:40,852 --> 00:15:42,767 one block from the crime scene 383 00:15:42,810 --> 00:15:46,466 about 65 seconds before Hoyt was killed. 384 00:15:46,510 --> 00:15:48,381 [gasps sarcastically] 385 00:15:48,425 --> 00:15:51,123 There you are again, walking east on 29th Street 386 00:15:51,167 --> 00:15:56,824 right behind Hoyt about 35 seconds before he was pushed. 387 00:15:56,868 --> 00:15:58,435 You want to get ahead of this, 388 00:15:58,478 --> 00:16:00,393 tell us your side of the story? 389 00:16:00,437 --> 00:16:06,834 390 00:16:06,878 --> 00:16:09,663 Derek Hoyt was a senior member of the liberal, 391 00:16:09,707 --> 00:16:14,625 sex-crazed cabal that is destroying our country. 392 00:16:14,668 --> 00:16:16,453 He planned to kidnap a young kid! 393 00:16:16,496 --> 00:16:19,064 394 00:16:19,108 --> 00:16:20,413 So you killed him? 395 00:16:20,457 --> 00:16:22,067 Damn right! 396 00:16:22,111 --> 00:16:23,460 I love this country. 397 00:16:23,503 --> 00:16:25,201 So I did what I had to do. 398 00:16:25,244 --> 00:16:28,291 Yeah, you sure did. Now you gotta pay the tab, bro. 399 00:16:28,334 --> 00:16:29,814 What does that mean? 400 00:16:29,857 --> 00:16:31,946 It means you're under arrest for murder. 401 00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:33,687 Hold on, big fella! Hold on. 402 00:16:40,955 --> 00:16:43,132 The People ask for remand, Your Honor. 403 00:16:43,175 --> 00:16:44,350 We believe the defendant is a flight risk, 404 00:16:44,394 --> 00:16:45,917 given the potential penalty he's facing. 405 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,093 Mr. Lopez has no priors, 406 00:16:48,137 --> 00:16:50,182 has substantial ties to New York. 407 00:16:50,226 --> 00:16:52,141 Bail is set at $2 million. 408 00:16:52,184 --> 00:16:53,620 That's prohibitive. 409 00:16:53,664 --> 00:16:56,014 Mr. Lopez doesn't have access to that kind of money. 410 00:16:56,058 --> 00:16:58,234 - I'm not so sure about that. - Excuse me? 411 00:16:58,277 --> 00:16:59,844 My clerk informed me that apparently 412 00:16:59,887 --> 00:17:01,106 some self-proclaimed patriot 413 00:17:01,150 --> 00:17:04,153 started a GoFundMe page for Mr. Lopez. 414 00:17:04,196 --> 00:17:06,329 Already raised $900,000. 415 00:17:06,372 --> 00:17:08,287 Bail is set at $2 million. 416 00:17:08,331 --> 00:17:10,724 [gavel knocks] Next case. 417 00:17:12,726 --> 00:17:14,206 [knocks on door] 418 00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:15,947 Been reviewing the most recent posts 419 00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:18,689 in Manny's favorite chat room, Rogue Wave. 420 00:17:18,732 --> 00:17:19,994 There's lots of crazy chatter 421 00:17:20,038 --> 00:17:22,127 about Hoyt trafficking young kids, 422 00:17:22,171 --> 00:17:25,174 straight out of the QAnon playbook. 423 00:17:25,217 --> 00:17:28,438 "Credible intel says Hoyt is abducting young children, 424 00:17:28,481 --> 00:17:29,787 "selling them to sex-traffickers 425 00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:31,223 in Washington, DC." 426 00:17:31,267 --> 00:17:33,965 The next day, which is the actual day of the murder, 427 00:17:34,008 --> 00:17:35,619 the same person sent this: 428 00:17:35,662 --> 00:17:38,317 "FBI contact says Hoyt is carrying out 429 00:17:38,361 --> 00:17:39,927 "a kidnapping plot tonight. 430 00:17:39,971 --> 00:17:43,148 Unfortunately, feds don't have enough evidence to arrest." 431 00:17:43,192 --> 00:17:46,195 Right after that, the same person sent this: 432 00:17:46,238 --> 00:17:49,807 "Who out there is brave enough to take action and protect 433 00:17:49,850 --> 00:17:53,332 our great country from the corrupt liberal cabal?" 434 00:17:53,376 --> 00:17:57,162 So this poster is just inventing inflammatory lies, 435 00:17:57,206 --> 00:17:58,816 hoping to rile up the masses? 436 00:17:58,859 --> 00:18:00,818 It was even more targeted than that. 437 00:18:00,861 --> 00:18:02,907 He knew his audience. 438 00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:05,083 He was looking to rile up the specific people 439 00:18:05,127 --> 00:18:07,303 who already believe these ridiculous lies. 440 00:18:07,346 --> 00:18:08,739 We know who this person is? 441 00:18:08,782 --> 00:18:10,262 No, email address is encrypted, 442 00:18:10,306 --> 00:18:12,525 but he's definitely the ringleader. 443 00:18:12,569 --> 00:18:16,225 He's the one who posted the phony pedophile photos too. 444 00:18:17,313 --> 00:18:21,360 So if Manny actually believed what this poster was saying, 445 00:18:21,404 --> 00:18:24,755 killing Hoyt to thwart the alleged kidnapping 446 00:18:24,798 --> 00:18:27,714 actually makes some sense. 447 00:18:27,758 --> 00:18:29,368 I mean, even though it's crazy. 448 00:18:29,412 --> 00:18:31,979 Good chance Manny's going to claim justification-- 449 00:18:32,023 --> 00:18:34,068 thought Hoyt was going to kidnap a young girl, 450 00:18:34,112 --> 00:18:36,941 so he kills Hoyt to save the young girl. 451 00:18:36,984 --> 00:18:38,421 Even though there really wasn't a young girl 452 00:18:38,464 --> 00:18:41,075 in harm's way. - Exactly. 453 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,948 That's obviously a stretch, but 454 00:18:43,991 --> 00:18:45,602 it'll give Manny's lawyer a chance 455 00:18:45,645 --> 00:18:47,604 to talk about the liberal lunatics, 456 00:18:47,647 --> 00:18:49,432 the alleged sex trafficking ring-- 457 00:18:49,475 --> 00:18:50,998 Make it about politics, not law. 458 00:18:51,042 --> 00:18:54,611 Which means anything is possible. 459 00:18:54,654 --> 00:18:56,569 Call Cosgrove and Bernard. 460 00:18:56,613 --> 00:18:59,833 Have them talk to HTAU and track down the IP address 461 00:18:59,877 --> 00:19:01,487 of this ringleader. 462 00:19:01,531 --> 00:19:03,097 We need to figure out 463 00:19:03,141 --> 00:19:05,839 why he was so invested in destroying Hoyt, 464 00:19:05,883 --> 00:19:08,712 and if he's connected to this murder. 465 00:19:08,755 --> 00:19:09,843 On it. 466 00:19:09,887 --> 00:19:12,716 467 00:19:12,759 --> 00:19:14,239 Sorry, guys. We're recording. 468 00:19:17,938 --> 00:19:20,376 Kennel of troglodytes. The U.S. government has... 469 00:19:20,419 --> 00:19:21,812 - Reed. - Literally-- 470 00:19:21,855 --> 00:19:23,074 We need to talk. 471 00:19:23,117 --> 00:19:25,250 What is goin' on? Wha-- 472 00:19:25,294 --> 00:19:30,821 473 00:19:30,864 --> 00:19:32,475 Ladies and gentlemen, 474 00:19:32,518 --> 00:19:35,478 two policemen have just entered my studio. 475 00:19:35,521 --> 00:19:38,655 My guess is, the liberal mafia gave 'em a call, 476 00:19:38,698 --> 00:19:39,830 told 'em to come on down here, 477 00:19:39,873 --> 00:19:41,266 and stomp on my First Amendment rights, 478 00:19:41,310 --> 00:19:43,007 and that's how it is these days, right? 479 00:19:43,050 --> 00:19:44,487 You don't like what a true patriot is saying, 480 00:19:44,530 --> 00:19:46,402 you take away their voice. You stomp on their rights 481 00:19:46,445 --> 00:19:49,535 to say what they believe, or better yet, 482 00:19:49,579 --> 00:19:51,102 you send the police after 'em. 483 00:19:51,145 --> 00:19:53,365 Get off the damn mic, man. We have business to discuss. 484 00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:54,714 You have a warrant? 485 00:19:54,758 --> 00:19:56,368 We'd just like to ask you a few questions. 486 00:19:56,412 --> 00:19:58,849 I'm not saying a damn word. Get the hell out of my studio. 487 00:19:58,892 --> 00:20:00,416 Watch yourself, Reed. 488 00:20:00,459 --> 00:20:05,072 Oh, the, uh, Black detective is now threatening me. 489 00:20:05,116 --> 00:20:07,553 Why did you post those crazy lies about Derek Hoyt? 490 00:20:07,597 --> 00:20:08,598 - Get out! - Hmm? 491 00:20:08,641 --> 00:20:10,339 - Now! - Why did you post-- 492 00:20:10,382 --> 00:20:11,557 Detective, I'm not saying it again. 493 00:20:11,601 --> 00:20:14,952 You heard me, Detective! Get out! 494 00:20:14,995 --> 00:20:17,259 Kev, it's not worth it. 495 00:20:17,302 --> 00:20:19,478 496 00:20:19,522 --> 00:20:20,523 [chuckles] 497 00:20:20,566 --> 00:20:23,874 498 00:20:23,917 --> 00:20:26,180 You think Jordan Reed was an accomplice? 499 00:20:26,224 --> 00:20:28,792 Oh, he stirred him up, that's for sure. 500 00:20:28,835 --> 00:20:30,968 He posted all kind of outrageous lies 501 00:20:31,011 --> 00:20:34,363 and made Hoyt into a pedophile, but there's more. 502 00:20:34,406 --> 00:20:38,236 Reed began to communicate directly with the defendant. 503 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,325 We found lots of phone calls between the two of them 504 00:20:40,369 --> 00:20:42,806 on the day prior to and on the day of the murder. 505 00:20:42,849 --> 00:20:46,288 Any legitimate reason for these two to be communicating? 506 00:20:46,331 --> 00:20:50,204 Reed is an Ivy League elitist who grew up on 5th Avenue, 507 00:20:50,248 --> 00:20:52,859 Manny's a day laborer from Staten Island. 508 00:20:52,903 --> 00:20:53,991 You think they were discussing 509 00:20:54,034 --> 00:20:57,299 Hoyt's imminent demise? 510 00:20:57,342 --> 00:20:59,344 Wanna trade up, 511 00:20:59,388 --> 00:21:00,911 hold Reed accountable? 512 00:21:05,219 --> 00:21:06,873 Okay. 513 00:21:06,917 --> 00:21:08,005 Talk to the defendant. 514 00:21:08,048 --> 00:21:10,268 See if he'll cooperate. 515 00:21:13,445 --> 00:21:17,406 We know you pushed Derek Hoyt in front of that bus. 516 00:21:17,449 --> 00:21:21,497 Good news, for you, is we think Jordan Reed 517 00:21:21,540 --> 00:21:23,063 is really the one responsible. 518 00:21:23,107 --> 00:21:25,109 We're happy to cooperate 519 00:21:25,152 --> 00:21:28,417 if you can reduce the charge to Man One. 520 00:21:28,460 --> 00:21:29,505 No promises. 521 00:21:29,548 --> 00:21:31,028 We'll listen to what he has to say. 522 00:21:31,071 --> 00:21:33,160 Come back with a deal in writing. 523 00:21:33,204 --> 00:21:35,772 Just answer their questions, Manny, and nothing you say 524 00:21:35,815 --> 00:21:38,165 can be used against you. 525 00:21:38,209 --> 00:21:40,951 You and Reed talked on the phone several times 526 00:21:40,994 --> 00:21:42,605 before and after the murder. 527 00:21:42,648 --> 00:21:44,084 What did you two discuss? 528 00:21:44,128 --> 00:21:46,304 We talked about a lot of things. 529 00:21:46,348 --> 00:21:47,784 The country, 530 00:21:47,827 --> 00:21:50,395 the left-wing fascists trying to take over the country. 531 00:21:50,439 --> 00:21:53,442 Did Reed talk to you about killing Derek Hoyt? 532 00:21:53,485 --> 00:21:55,095 Reed's a good guy. 533 00:21:55,139 --> 00:21:56,575 He's a straight shooter. 534 00:21:56,619 --> 00:21:58,534 No, he's a liar and a fraud. 535 00:21:58,577 --> 00:22:00,579 He was playing you, Manny. 536 00:22:00,623 --> 00:22:02,320 Hoyt wasn't a pedophile. 537 00:22:02,364 --> 00:22:06,106 He was a law-abiding family man who wanted to run for Congress. 538 00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:08,108 Sure, that's what the liberal media says. 539 00:22:08,152 --> 00:22:09,675 No, that's what the facts say. 540 00:22:09,719 --> 00:22:12,156 Reed is using you and your chat room friends 541 00:22:12,199 --> 00:22:13,636 to become a billionaire. 542 00:22:13,679 --> 00:22:15,202 For God sakes, Manny. 543 00:22:15,246 --> 00:22:18,641 You worry about you, not Reed. 544 00:22:18,684 --> 00:22:21,383 Now, you tell them what you two talked about. 545 00:22:25,343 --> 00:22:27,693 He said Hoyt was very dangerous, 546 00:22:27,737 --> 00:22:29,173 a threat to the country, 547 00:22:29,216 --> 00:22:31,480 that the wave was coming, and that he needed people 548 00:22:31,523 --> 00:22:34,352 to neutralize that left-wing threat, 549 00:22:34,396 --> 00:22:38,922 people willing to take bold and decisive action. 550 00:22:38,965 --> 00:22:40,358 Did he ask you to kill him? 551 00:22:40,402 --> 00:22:42,839 He kept using the word "neutralize," 552 00:22:42,882 --> 00:22:45,363 but I knew what he meant. 553 00:22:45,407 --> 00:22:47,670 Did you expect anything in return for killing Hoyt-- 554 00:22:47,713 --> 00:22:50,237 money, a car? 555 00:22:50,281 --> 00:22:53,980 He said that his company rewards true patriots, 556 00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:58,507 those willing to take action, that kind of thing, you know? 557 00:22:58,550 --> 00:23:02,511 558 00:23:04,295 --> 00:23:06,819 Docket number CR 54378-22, 559 00:23:06,863 --> 00:23:10,823 People versus Jordan Reed, Murder in the First Degree. 560 00:23:10,867 --> 00:23:12,564 How does the defendant plead? 561 00:23:12,608 --> 00:23:14,958 Not guilty, Your Honor. 562 00:23:15,001 --> 00:23:16,960 - People on bail? - Remand. 563 00:23:17,003 --> 00:23:18,309 The defendant is a flight risk. 564 00:23:18,352 --> 00:23:20,093 He has access to private jets, 565 00:23:20,137 --> 00:23:21,312 foreign political leaders-- 566 00:23:21,355 --> 00:23:23,314 This is preposterous, Your Honor. 567 00:23:23,357 --> 00:23:25,055 My client has done nothing wrong. 568 00:23:25,098 --> 00:23:26,665 He's committed no crime. 569 00:23:26,709 --> 00:23:28,058 Not his fault some lunatic 570 00:23:28,101 --> 00:23:30,713 pushed Derek Hoyt in front of a bus. 571 00:23:30,756 --> 00:23:33,019 Bail is set at $1 million. 572 00:23:33,063 --> 00:23:34,630 Next case. [gavel knocks] 573 00:23:36,370 --> 00:23:38,155 all chanting: 574 00:23:38,198 --> 00:23:41,158 Free Jordan Reed! Free Jordan Reed! 575 00:23:41,201 --> 00:23:43,465 So much for the home field advantage. 576 00:23:43,508 --> 00:23:45,510 Reed definitely has a hardcore following. 577 00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:47,338 That's why we're here in the first place. 578 00:23:47,381 --> 00:23:48,818 all chanting: Free Jordan Reed! 579 00:23:48,861 --> 00:23:51,429 580 00:23:51,473 --> 00:23:56,478 Derek Hoyt was a kind, decent husband and father. 581 00:23:56,521 --> 00:23:58,697 He was also an aspiring politician 582 00:23:58,741 --> 00:24:01,526 with a bright future. 583 00:24:01,570 --> 00:24:04,703 So in search of salacious headlines, 584 00:24:04,747 --> 00:24:07,184 the defendant created a false narrative 585 00:24:07,227 --> 00:24:09,273 that Derek Hoyt was a pedophile-- 586 00:24:09,316 --> 00:24:12,668 that he was part of a depraved sex-trafficking ring 587 00:24:12,711 --> 00:24:15,540 that preyed on underage children. 588 00:24:15,584 --> 00:24:19,675 To help perpetuate this disgraceful fiction, 589 00:24:19,718 --> 00:24:23,026 he disseminated fake photos of Derek Hoyt 590 00:24:23,069 --> 00:24:24,723 and young girls on the internet. 591 00:24:28,553 --> 00:24:30,033 You see, 592 00:24:30,076 --> 00:24:32,557 inventing mythical enemies 593 00:24:32,601 --> 00:24:36,387 is a part of the defendant's business model. 594 00:24:36,430 --> 00:24:38,258 He creates clickbait. 595 00:24:38,302 --> 00:24:41,174 He provides exciting liberal enemies 596 00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:42,828 for his followers to hate. 597 00:24:42,872 --> 00:24:45,918 He then posts about these dangerous fascists 598 00:24:45,962 --> 00:24:48,225 - and anti- - Americans on his websites, 599 00:24:48,268 --> 00:24:50,140 talks about them on his streaming platforms 600 00:24:50,183 --> 00:24:53,404 and podcasts, but the only thing 601 00:24:53,447 --> 00:24:58,235 he really cares about is money. 602 00:24:58,278 --> 00:25:01,804 Monetizing the outrage and venom. 603 00:25:01,847 --> 00:25:02,848 That's how the defendant built 604 00:25:02,892 --> 00:25:05,851 his billion dollar media empire. 605 00:25:05,895 --> 00:25:09,942 In simplest terms, the defendant made Derek Hoyt 606 00:25:09,986 --> 00:25:12,292 an enemy of the far-right, 607 00:25:12,336 --> 00:25:14,338 then offered Manny Lopez 608 00:25:14,381 --> 00:25:17,602 a misguided, but intelligent patriotic ex-marine 609 00:25:17,646 --> 00:25:21,127 a financial reward to kill that enemy, 610 00:25:21,171 --> 00:25:23,434 and Manny Lopez did. 611 00:25:23,477 --> 00:25:26,655 He pushed him in front of a bus. 612 00:25:26,698 --> 00:25:33,618 613 00:25:38,057 --> 00:25:40,320 Tomorrow, you'll hear from Mr. Lopez himself. 614 00:25:40,364 --> 00:25:44,150 He will describe this murder-for-hire arrangement 615 00:25:44,194 --> 00:25:46,588 in more detail and make it clear 616 00:25:46,631 --> 00:25:50,983 the defendant should be held accountable 617 00:25:51,027 --> 00:25:52,942 for Mr. Hoyt's death. 618 00:25:52,985 --> 00:25:58,774 619 00:25:58,817 --> 00:26:00,776 [sighs] 620 00:26:00,819 --> 00:26:02,560 Sometimes, 621 00:26:02,604 --> 00:26:06,477 murder trials can be complicated. 622 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,698 Now, sometimes, there's-- there's lots of science, 623 00:26:09,741 --> 00:26:13,353 blood evidence, contradictory testimony. 624 00:26:14,572 --> 00:26:18,489 But sometimes, they're easy. 625 00:26:18,532 --> 00:26:22,580 The answer is sittin' there right in front of you. 626 00:26:22,624 --> 00:26:27,454 It's so simple and clear, it's almost confusing. 627 00:26:27,498 --> 00:26:29,761 This is one of those cases. 628 00:26:29,805 --> 00:26:35,245 Manny Lopez pushed Derek Hoyt in front of a bus. 629 00:26:35,288 --> 00:26:36,986 Jordan Reed didn't. 630 00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:40,250 To hold him guilty for another man's act of violence 631 00:26:40,293 --> 00:26:43,253 is contrary to the intent of the law, 632 00:26:43,296 --> 00:26:45,690 and a dangerous attempt to criminalize 633 00:26:45,734 --> 00:26:48,824 the expression of free speech. 634 00:26:48,867 --> 00:26:52,479 If I say the coach of the New York Jets is terrible-- 635 00:26:52,523 --> 00:26:54,003 [chuckling] Right? I mean he's an idiot-- 636 00:26:54,046 --> 00:26:56,527 he deserves to die. 637 00:26:56,570 --> 00:27:00,009 And the next day, some lunatic kills him, 638 00:27:00,052 --> 00:27:02,751 pushes him in front of a bus, for example. 639 00:27:02,794 --> 00:27:08,713 Am I responsible for what this deranged football fan did? 640 00:27:08,757 --> 00:27:11,542 No, of course not. 641 00:27:11,585 --> 00:27:16,025 Manny Lopez killed Derek Hoyt. 642 00:27:16,068 --> 00:27:18,592 Jordan Reed did not. 643 00:27:20,899 --> 00:27:22,553 Like I said, 644 00:27:22,596 --> 00:27:25,425 sometimes, cases are easy. 645 00:27:28,428 --> 00:27:30,213 Okay, we're adjourned. 646 00:27:30,256 --> 00:27:31,518 [gavel knocks] 647 00:27:33,259 --> 00:27:36,915 [cell phones vibrating] 648 00:27:36,959 --> 00:27:39,875 649 00:27:39,918 --> 00:27:40,963 Notify the judge. 650 00:27:41,006 --> 00:27:43,052 - I'll-- - I'll head down to the hospital. 651 00:27:43,095 --> 00:27:49,493 652 00:27:49,536 --> 00:27:52,452 [indistinct PA announcement] 653 00:27:52,496 --> 00:27:57,980 654 00:27:58,023 --> 00:28:00,896 Excuse me, I'm looking for Manuel Lopez. 655 00:28:00,939 --> 00:28:03,115 I was told he was just rushed to the ER. 656 00:28:03,159 --> 00:28:05,596 - And you are? - Assistant District Attorney 657 00:28:05,639 --> 00:28:07,076 Nolan Price. Manny's supposed to be 658 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,861 testifying in a murder trial tomorrow morning. 659 00:28:09,905 --> 00:28:12,168 Well, I'm afraid that's not possible. 660 00:28:12,211 --> 00:28:13,822 He's dead. 661 00:28:13,865 --> 00:28:15,301 He's dead? 662 00:28:15,345 --> 00:28:17,782 He hanged himself earlier this morning in his cell. 663 00:28:17,826 --> 00:28:19,958 We tried to revive him, but there was nothing we could do. 664 00:28:20,002 --> 00:28:26,965 665 00:28:30,316 --> 00:28:32,275 Your Honor, the People's case was predicated 666 00:28:32,318 --> 00:28:34,756 on Manny Lopez's testimony. 667 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,149 He was, in effect, the only piece of evidence 668 00:28:37,193 --> 00:28:39,673 that could establish that Mr. Reed hired him 669 00:28:39,717 --> 00:28:40,762 to kill the victim. 670 00:28:40,805 --> 00:28:42,198 So without Manny, 671 00:28:42,241 --> 00:28:45,070 it's literally impossible to prove murder-for-hire. 672 00:28:45,114 --> 00:28:47,377 No Manny, no case. Simple as that. 673 00:28:47,420 --> 00:28:50,119 Mr. Price, that true? 674 00:28:50,162 --> 00:28:53,035 Is Mr. Lopez the only ace up your sleeve? 675 00:28:53,078 --> 00:28:55,124 Do you have anything else that gives you a puncher's chance 676 00:28:55,167 --> 00:28:57,517 to prove your case? - Not at the moment. 677 00:28:57,561 --> 00:28:59,476 Then I'm going to grant the motion to dismiss. 678 00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:01,043 I have no objection to dismissing 679 00:29:01,086 --> 00:29:03,045 the murder-for-hire charge. 680 00:29:03,088 --> 00:29:05,612 But we'd still like to proceed 681 00:29:05,656 --> 00:29:08,180 with the lesser-included offense, Murder Two. 682 00:29:08,224 --> 00:29:09,486 Under what theory? 683 00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:11,357 Your client showed a depraved indifference 684 00:29:11,401 --> 00:29:13,490 to human life. - Oh, this is ridiculous. 685 00:29:13,533 --> 00:29:17,799 Reed's lies, his posts, and photos incited Manny Lopez 686 00:29:17,842 --> 00:29:18,843 to commit murder. 687 00:29:18,887 --> 00:29:21,672 He knew, or should have known, 688 00:29:21,715 --> 00:29:23,935 that his repeated fabrications would likely cause 689 00:29:23,979 --> 00:29:26,720 one of his ardent followers to kill Derek Hoyt. 690 00:29:26,764 --> 00:29:29,723 Is this a joke? You wanna try Reed for murder 691 00:29:29,767 --> 00:29:32,552 based on a series of stupid chat room posts? 692 00:29:32,596 --> 00:29:33,684 That's exactly what I wanna do. 693 00:29:33,727 --> 00:29:34,816 Chat room posts, 694 00:29:34,859 --> 00:29:36,774 social media rants, they're protected 695 00:29:36,818 --> 00:29:38,297 under the First Amendment. 696 00:29:38,341 --> 00:29:40,473 Jordan Reed can say whatever the hell he wants. 697 00:29:40,517 --> 00:29:42,562 He could talk about liberal cannibals 698 00:29:42,606 --> 00:29:45,130 and underage sex trafficking rings all day long. 699 00:29:45,174 --> 00:29:48,046 Your client yelled "fire" in a crowded movie theater, 700 00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:51,571 and Derek Hoyt got trampled to death. 701 00:29:51,615 --> 00:29:54,574 We have every right to move forward on Murder Two. 702 00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:59,449 I agree with Mr. Price. There's a case here. 703 00:29:59,492 --> 00:30:02,626 I'm not sure if it's winnable, but it's certainly triable. 704 00:30:02,669 --> 00:30:04,846 So let's do it. 705 00:30:04,889 --> 00:30:10,677 706 00:30:10,721 --> 00:30:12,331 When the photos were enlarged, 707 00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:15,421 significant pixelation and discoloring were evident-- 708 00:30:15,465 --> 00:30:17,597 two telltale signs of alteration. 709 00:30:17,641 --> 00:30:19,425 So they're fake? They were photoshopped? 710 00:30:19,469 --> 00:30:21,645 Yes, the images from the young girls' 711 00:30:21,688 --> 00:30:25,518 legitimate social accounts were copied and then transposed 712 00:30:25,562 --> 00:30:28,391 onto photos with Derek Hoyt and vice-versa. 713 00:30:28,434 --> 00:30:31,916 These fake photos were posted to a virtual community 714 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,440 called Rogue Wave, a place where believers 715 00:30:34,484 --> 00:30:36,921 in the so-called QAnon conspiracy theory 716 00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:39,358 gather to share ideas. 717 00:30:39,402 --> 00:30:40,620 Were you able to determine 718 00:30:40,664 --> 00:30:42,666 which IP address they were sent from? 719 00:30:42,709 --> 00:30:47,976 Yes. IP address 198.51.100.0/24. 720 00:30:48,715 --> 00:30:51,936 These statements were also posted to Rogue Wave. 721 00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:54,069 Do you know which IP address they came from? 722 00:30:54,112 --> 00:30:55,548 Yes, same one. 723 00:30:55,592 --> 00:30:58,290 And were you able to trace that IP address 724 00:30:58,334 --> 00:31:00,640 to a particular office? - Yes. 725 00:31:00,684 --> 00:31:03,034 It was located in a large corner office 726 00:31:03,078 --> 00:31:05,994 in a company called Audix, LLC. 727 00:31:06,037 --> 00:31:10,128 The nameplate on the door said, "Jordan Reed." 728 00:31:10,172 --> 00:31:11,347 Nothing further. 729 00:31:16,961 --> 00:31:19,442 You have no proof Mr. Reed 730 00:31:19,485 --> 00:31:22,793 actually created those photos, correct? 731 00:31:22,836 --> 00:31:24,926 No, but they were sent from his computer. 732 00:31:24,969 --> 00:31:29,582 You also have no proof Mr. Reed wrote or posted 733 00:31:29,626 --> 00:31:32,672 those statements to Rogue Wave? 734 00:31:32,716 --> 00:31:37,025 I don't, but they were sent from his computer. 735 00:31:37,068 --> 00:31:38,200 Nothing further. 736 00:31:40,593 --> 00:31:42,856 We have the posts and the photos. 737 00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,859 It's not perfect, but it'll show that Reed 738 00:31:45,903 --> 00:31:48,210 wanted to incite action-- 739 00:31:48,253 --> 00:31:50,429 no, that his objective 740 00:31:50,473 --> 00:31:52,954 was to prompt his most zealous followers 741 00:31:52,997 --> 00:31:56,609 to commit an act of violence against Derek Hoyt. 742 00:31:56,653 --> 00:31:59,308 It's a good start, but we need more 743 00:31:59,351 --> 00:32:01,875 to bolster our theory of depraved indifference. 744 00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:05,618 We need to show Reed knew there was a strong likelihood 745 00:32:05,662 --> 00:32:08,360 Manny would kill Hoyt based on his outrageous posts 746 00:32:08,404 --> 00:32:09,883 and only those outrageous posts. 747 00:32:09,927 --> 00:32:12,930 We have what we have. I mean, it'd be great 748 00:32:12,974 --> 00:32:14,497 if I had a beach house in South Hampton, 749 00:32:14,540 --> 00:32:15,846 but I don't, so I make do 750 00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:17,979 with my cousin's cottage on the Jersey Shore 751 00:32:18,022 --> 00:32:20,068 for three days in August. 752 00:32:20,111 --> 00:32:23,636 We're asking the jury to convict someone for murder, 753 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,030 for spreading lies on the internet. 754 00:32:26,074 --> 00:32:28,032 This could be ground-breaking, 755 00:32:28,076 --> 00:32:29,642 like convicting Trump for the murders 756 00:32:29,686 --> 00:32:32,210 that took place on January 6th. 757 00:32:32,254 --> 00:32:34,256 We need to give the jury more. 758 00:32:36,736 --> 00:32:39,261 We know Manny attended three recent rallies 759 00:32:39,304 --> 00:32:41,263 where Reed was the featured speaker. 760 00:32:41,306 --> 00:32:43,961 So let's start there. 761 00:32:45,397 --> 00:32:47,051 762 00:32:47,095 --> 00:32:49,532 Is that you standing beside Jordan Reed? 763 00:32:49,575 --> 00:32:51,142 Yeah, that's me. 764 00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:52,361 What'd you two talk about? 765 00:32:52,404 --> 00:32:54,102 Nothing too specific. 766 00:32:54,145 --> 00:32:56,800 Did he ever mention a guy named Derek Hoyt? 767 00:32:56,843 --> 00:32:58,062 No, Who's he? 768 00:32:58,106 --> 00:32:59,933 He got murdered a while ago. 769 00:32:59,977 --> 00:33:02,240 The guy you're standing next to, Manny Lopez, pushed him 770 00:33:02,284 --> 00:33:05,243 in front of a bus. - Damn. 771 00:33:05,287 --> 00:33:07,158 That's crazy. - Did Manny say anything 772 00:33:07,202 --> 00:33:10,248 to Reed that might suggest he'd do something violent? 773 00:33:10,292 --> 00:33:12,250 No, he barely talked. 774 00:33:12,294 --> 00:33:13,469 Did you guys talk about anything 775 00:33:13,512 --> 00:33:15,558 other than how screwed up the country is? 776 00:33:15,601 --> 00:33:18,082 Yeah, lots of stuff. 777 00:33:18,126 --> 00:33:19,127 Like what? 778 00:33:19,170 --> 00:33:20,737 Uh, the Knicks. 779 00:33:20,780 --> 00:33:23,305 Me and Reed were pissed about Kemba Walker being benched. 780 00:33:25,524 --> 00:33:27,091 They didn't talk about Derek Hoyt 781 00:33:27,135 --> 00:33:28,614 or committing acts of violence? 782 00:33:28,658 --> 00:33:30,007 It was just a pleasant chat 783 00:33:30,051 --> 00:33:32,879 about life in America, circa 2022? 784 00:33:32,923 --> 00:33:34,664 According to Pond, they talked about 785 00:33:34,707 --> 00:33:39,060 everything but Hoyt or committing acts of violence. 786 00:33:39,103 --> 00:33:40,539 This is bad. 787 00:33:40,583 --> 00:33:42,454 It's exculpatory too. 788 00:33:42,498 --> 00:33:44,021 I'm not so sure. 789 00:33:44,065 --> 00:33:46,415 It contradicts our entire thesis that Reed was baiting 790 00:33:46,458 --> 00:33:47,807 his followers to attack Hoyt. 791 00:33:47,851 --> 00:33:49,505 This is just one conversation, 792 00:33:49,548 --> 00:33:52,073 one simple sound bite-- - A simple sound bite 793 00:33:52,116 --> 00:33:55,467 that favors the defendant. 794 00:33:55,511 --> 00:33:57,121 [sighs] You're right. 795 00:33:57,165 --> 00:33:59,297 796 00:33:59,341 --> 00:34:03,475 We need to notify defense. Let them know what we found, 797 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,478 and then we need to get back to work, 798 00:34:06,522 --> 00:34:08,872 and figure out how to win this damn case. 799 00:34:08,915 --> 00:34:13,572 800 00:34:15,531 --> 00:34:17,750 Did you attend a political rally 801 00:34:17,794 --> 00:34:20,188 at a restaurant called The Grey Lion on March 10th? 802 00:34:20,231 --> 00:34:23,539 - Yes. - At this event, 803 00:34:23,582 --> 00:34:27,064 did you happen to have a conversation with Jordan Reed 804 00:34:27,108 --> 00:34:29,066 and Manny Lopez? - I did. 805 00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:31,460 What did you three discuss? 806 00:34:31,503 --> 00:34:33,984 We talked about how screwed up our country is. 807 00:34:34,027 --> 00:34:35,986 Can you be more specific? 808 00:34:36,029 --> 00:34:38,162 We talked about how much the liberals hate us, 809 00:34:38,206 --> 00:34:40,164 how stupid they think we are. 810 00:34:40,208 --> 00:34:42,471 If I dare to express a view contrary to theirs, 811 00:34:42,514 --> 00:34:46,083 I'm an idiot, a racist, homophobic... 812 00:34:46,127 --> 00:34:48,520 I mean, this is America. 813 00:34:48,564 --> 00:34:49,956 We should be able to express our views 814 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,871 without being attacked. 815 00:34:51,915 --> 00:34:53,830 Did you discuss anything else? 816 00:34:53,873 --> 00:34:55,440 Yes. 817 00:34:55,484 --> 00:34:56,833 The New York Knicks. 818 00:34:56,876 --> 00:35:00,271 Ha. [chuckles] 819 00:35:00,315 --> 00:35:04,188 Did Jordan Reed ask you or Manny Lopez 820 00:35:04,232 --> 00:35:06,495 to commit an act of violence, 821 00:35:06,538 --> 00:35:10,281 to help protect the country against the liberal cabal? 822 00:35:10,325 --> 00:35:11,978 No, sir. 823 00:35:14,198 --> 00:35:15,460 Nothing further. 824 00:35:17,245 --> 00:35:18,681 You weren't standing next to Manny Lopez 825 00:35:18,724 --> 00:35:19,856 the whole night, correct? 826 00:35:19,899 --> 00:35:21,205 - Correct. - You weren't standing 827 00:35:21,249 --> 00:35:22,902 next to Jordan Reed the whole night either? 828 00:35:22,946 --> 00:35:24,600 - Correct. - So it's possible 829 00:35:24,643 --> 00:35:26,645 Manny Lopez and Jordan Reed may have discussed something else 830 00:35:26,689 --> 00:35:29,170 including committing acts of violence, correct? 831 00:35:29,213 --> 00:35:31,346 - It's possible, but-- - This wasn't the only 832 00:35:31,389 --> 00:35:33,304 political event Mr. Reed ever sponsored, correct? 833 00:35:33,348 --> 00:35:35,567 No. He puts on lots of rallies. 834 00:35:35,611 --> 00:35:37,134 Once a week, actually. 835 00:35:37,178 --> 00:35:40,659 [dramatic music] 836 00:35:40,703 --> 00:35:42,705 How'd you find out about these rallies? 837 00:35:42,748 --> 00:35:43,923 Word of mouth, mostly. 838 00:35:43,967 --> 00:35:45,490 People usually text each other. 839 00:35:45,534 --> 00:35:47,231 840 00:35:47,275 --> 00:35:48,711 Thank you. Nothing further. 841 00:35:48,754 --> 00:35:50,800 842 00:35:50,843 --> 00:35:52,367 Get a subpoena for Pond's phone. 843 00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:55,239 We need to review his texts then do a deep dive 844 00:35:55,283 --> 00:35:56,893 into every rally Reed's attended 845 00:35:56,936 --> 00:35:58,329 for the past few months. 846 00:35:58,373 --> 00:36:01,114 Then have detectives scrub the surveillance footage. 847 00:36:01,158 --> 00:36:04,161 We need a clip, a quote, a sound bite, 848 00:36:04,205 --> 00:36:06,772 something that reveals who Jordan Reed really is. 849 00:36:06,816 --> 00:36:09,688 Happy to do it, but why? 850 00:36:09,732 --> 00:36:11,124 Excuse me? 851 00:36:11,168 --> 00:36:13,126 We rested our case two days ago. 852 00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:14,911 Even if we find something interesting, 853 00:36:14,954 --> 00:36:16,260 we can't introduce it. 854 00:36:16,304 --> 00:36:18,262 But we can use it on cross. 855 00:36:18,306 --> 00:36:19,959 Once again, happy to do it, 856 00:36:20,003 --> 00:36:21,352 but there is no indication 857 00:36:21,396 --> 00:36:23,354 that Reed is actually going to testify. 858 00:36:23,398 --> 00:36:26,183 You really think the biggest media whore in America 859 00:36:26,227 --> 00:36:28,577 is gonna pass up the opportunity to wrap himself 860 00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:29,795 in the First Amendment, 861 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:31,623 and provide free content 862 00:36:31,667 --> 00:36:33,103 for his media company? 863 00:36:33,146 --> 00:36:34,322 Not a chance. 864 00:36:34,365 --> 00:36:36,933 Get the subpoena, and start scrubbing. 865 00:36:36,976 --> 00:36:41,764 866 00:36:41,807 --> 00:36:46,943 Have you spent any time in a chat room called Rogue Wave? 867 00:36:46,986 --> 00:36:48,118 I'm aware of it, 868 00:36:48,161 --> 00:36:51,121 but I've actually never participated 869 00:36:51,164 --> 00:36:54,342 in any online discussions. 870 00:36:54,385 --> 00:36:57,127 Like I said, we have over 500 employees at the company, 871 00:36:57,170 --> 00:36:59,303 and most of them are very patriotic too. 872 00:36:59,347 --> 00:37:02,437 So it's possible one of them might have used my computer. 873 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,873 Mm-hmm. 874 00:37:03,916 --> 00:37:05,135 Nothing further. 875 00:37:07,180 --> 00:37:08,269 You ready? 876 00:37:11,533 --> 00:37:13,839 Highly unusual for an employee 877 00:37:13,883 --> 00:37:16,146 to use the CEO's office without his knowledge 878 00:37:16,189 --> 00:37:17,800 or permission, correct? 879 00:37:17,843 --> 00:37:19,105 Not at my company. 880 00:37:19,149 --> 00:37:21,238 We have an open and inclusive culture. 881 00:37:21,282 --> 00:37:22,326 Doors are never closed. 882 00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:23,806 In fact, most offices 883 00:37:23,849 --> 00:37:25,198 don't even have doors. 884 00:37:25,242 --> 00:37:27,244 - Your office has a door. - Yes. 885 00:37:27,288 --> 00:37:31,030 But I never close it or lock it. 886 00:37:31,074 --> 00:37:32,902 Your computer has a password, correct? 887 00:37:32,945 --> 00:37:34,686 It does, yes, but it's written 888 00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:36,949 on one of those yellow sticky things 889 00:37:36,993 --> 00:37:38,037 stuck to the computer. 890 00:37:38,081 --> 00:37:40,126 It's... it's low-tech, I know, 891 00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:42,346 but I'm always forgetting my damn passwords. 892 00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:45,654 You know, too many devices and subscriptions... 893 00:37:45,697 --> 00:37:48,700 You said it earlier a lot of your employees are patriotic. 894 00:37:48,744 --> 00:37:50,267 You consider yourself a patriot too? 895 00:37:50,311 --> 00:37:51,486 Yes, of course. 896 00:37:51,529 --> 00:37:53,357 I imagine you also consider yourself 897 00:37:53,401 --> 00:37:55,490 a proud proponent of the First Amendment. 898 00:37:55,533 --> 00:37:56,360 I do. 899 00:37:56,404 --> 00:37:58,971 Freedom of speech is 900 00:37:59,015 --> 00:38:01,496 the cornerstone of our democracy. 901 00:38:01,539 --> 00:38:05,238 It's the defining feature of our country. 902 00:38:05,282 --> 00:38:08,241 People have the right to express 903 00:38:08,285 --> 00:38:10,418 their religious and political beliefs 904 00:38:10,461 --> 00:38:12,289 even if they're unpopular, 905 00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:16,119 even if the people in power find them abhorrent, 906 00:38:16,162 --> 00:38:18,948 and that open exchange right there, 907 00:38:18,991 --> 00:38:22,386 that is what makes America the greatest country on Earth. 908 00:38:22,430 --> 00:38:25,215 So your goal was to foster 909 00:38:25,258 --> 00:38:28,392 the open exchange of opinions and ideas? 910 00:38:28,436 --> 00:38:31,787 Yes, I just wanna give patriotic Americans a forum 911 00:38:31,830 --> 00:38:33,702 to express their thoughts. 912 00:38:33,745 --> 00:38:36,879 You know, contrary to popular opinion, Mr. Price, 913 00:38:36,922 --> 00:38:39,838 most conservatives don't enjoy the didactic rhetoric 914 00:38:39,882 --> 00:38:41,318 of the far-left. 915 00:38:41,362 --> 00:38:44,408 So despite the outrageous and inflammatory posts 916 00:38:44,452 --> 00:38:46,715 sent from your office computer, 917 00:38:46,758 --> 00:38:48,151 your goal was simply 918 00:38:48,194 --> 00:38:51,110 to cultivate a peaceful exchange of ideas? 919 00:38:51,154 --> 00:38:52,721 - Yes. - You didn't want 920 00:38:52,764 --> 00:38:54,766 your followers to commit acts of violence? 921 00:38:54,810 --> 00:38:56,333 No, no, no. 922 00:38:56,377 --> 00:38:58,466 No, that would be the last thing I'd ever want. 923 00:39:01,077 --> 00:39:03,253 I'd like to show you a video clip of you talking 924 00:39:03,296 --> 00:39:05,690 to one of your employees at a recent rally-- 925 00:39:05,734 --> 00:39:08,171 Objection. We haven't had a chance 926 00:39:08,214 --> 00:39:09,607 to review this material. 927 00:39:09,651 --> 00:39:11,435 There was no reason to share it until now. 928 00:39:11,479 --> 00:39:13,611 We couldn't anticipate the defendant would testify, 929 00:39:13,655 --> 00:39:17,049 and open the door with his statements about cultivating 930 00:39:17,093 --> 00:39:19,617 the peaceful exchange of ideas. 931 00:39:19,661 --> 00:39:22,185 And this video clip will rebut those statements? 932 00:39:22,228 --> 00:39:24,448 It will directly contradict what the defendant just said 933 00:39:24,492 --> 00:39:28,104 regarding his goals and objectives. 934 00:39:28,147 --> 00:39:29,540 I'll allow it. 935 00:39:34,850 --> 00:39:36,460 Look at these idiots, 936 00:39:36,504 --> 00:39:38,636 drinkin', gettin' all riled up. 937 00:39:40,943 --> 00:39:43,119 If we could just find a way to activate these morons 938 00:39:43,162 --> 00:39:44,381 to actually attack 939 00:39:44,425 --> 00:39:46,688 or even kill 940 00:39:46,731 --> 00:39:49,952 some trans-bathroom-loving liberal, 941 00:39:49,995 --> 00:39:52,911 we-- 942 00:39:52,955 --> 00:39:55,827 we'd be the number one media company in the world. 943 00:39:55,871 --> 00:39:57,612 [dramatic music] 944 00:39:57,655 --> 00:39:59,004 [chuckles] 945 00:39:59,048 --> 00:40:03,400 946 00:40:03,444 --> 00:40:07,230 A waiter took that video at a recent rally. 947 00:40:07,273 --> 00:40:11,495 It shows you saying you'd like to see one of "these morons" 948 00:40:11,539 --> 00:40:14,280 attack or kill someone. 949 00:40:14,324 --> 00:40:18,328 - I was kidding. - Come on, that-- - I was joking. 950 00:40:18,371 --> 00:40:20,286 That's a hell of a thing to joke about. 951 00:40:20,330 --> 00:40:26,075 952 00:40:26,118 --> 00:40:27,250 Nothing further. 953 00:40:27,293 --> 00:40:28,730 954 00:40:28,773 --> 00:40:29,861 Defense? 955 00:40:29,905 --> 00:40:31,384 Nothing at this time. 956 00:40:31,428 --> 00:40:37,260 957 00:40:37,303 --> 00:40:39,262 Has the jury reached a verdict? 958 00:40:39,305 --> 00:40:40,742 We have, Your Honor. 959 00:40:40,785 --> 00:40:42,526 On the count of Murder in the Second Degree, 960 00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:44,180 we find the defendant... 961 00:40:44,223 --> 00:40:46,791 guilty. - [laughs] 962 00:40:46,835 --> 00:40:48,750 You've got to be-- 963 00:40:48,793 --> 00:40:51,230 get off of me. 964 00:40:51,274 --> 00:40:53,537 This isn't over. This isn't over! 965 00:40:53,581 --> 00:40:56,322 The true patriots will have the last say. 966 00:40:56,366 --> 00:40:58,281 They will not stand for this act of tyranny! 967 00:40:58,324 --> 00:41:01,545 968 00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:03,025 Hell of a verdict, Nolan. 969 00:41:03,068 --> 00:41:05,897 Will make people think twice before tweeting venom. 970 00:41:05,941 --> 00:41:07,116 I'm not so sure. 971 00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,597 Someone called "garrett-from-the-country" 972 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,164 just tweeted me a particularly venomous death threat. 973 00:41:12,208 --> 00:41:17,822 974 00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:24,786 [dramatic music] 975 00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:31,749 976 00:41:41,367 --> 00:41:48,505 977 00:41:51,116 --> 00:41:54,032 [wolf howls] 71894

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