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NARRATOR:
In the criminal justice system
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sexually based offenses are
considered especially heinous.
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In New York City,
the dedicated detectives
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who investigate
these vicious felonies
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are members of an elite squad
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known as
the Special Victims Unit.
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These are their stories.
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Now, if this were
a real busy street,
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there'd be lots of cars
and people, okay?
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I'm telling.
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Now, I want everybody
to take your buddy's hand,
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all right?
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I don't want to
hold her hand.
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Now, what do we
do when we get
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to the crosswalk?
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Anybody remember?
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ALL:
No.
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We stop, we look, and we listen.
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And then we walk
to the other side.
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Now, stay inside the lines
of the crosswalk, okay?
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And walk very, very fast.
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I'm going to go first.
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Okay, no running,
and no pushing, please.
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I hope a cab doesn't
splatter you
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all over mid-town,
you little brats.
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Me first.
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Me first.
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Take them inside Melody, now.
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Go.
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Come on kids,
let's go.
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( children chatting loudly )
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Let's get inside now, come on.
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White male,
twenties, naked,
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wrapped in a set of
Queen-size sheets
and a blanket.
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Condom's in
there with him,
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fluids on the body,
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which is why we
called you guys in.
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Do you have any
idea how long the
body's been here?
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Trash collection worked
this street at 11:00 last night.
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No body then.
Neck's broken.
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Bruising goes
all the way around.
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Back of his scalp
is pretty torn up,
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and there's white powder in it.
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See this blue stuff
on the sheets?
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It's not wax,
it's more like melted plastic.
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MAN:
Detectives,
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the building super
around the corner
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pulled this pillowcase
out of the bushes.
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It matches the sheets?
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His clothes?
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Check for a wallet.
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BENSON:
There's no wallet
in here.
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Got something.
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"Seventh and Bleeker,
Thursday, 7:00 p.m.."
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Last night in the village.
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Maybe that's where
he met his killer.
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Must have shown him
a real good time
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before she did the deed.
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Marvin, right now
is a good opportunity
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for you to learn.
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An erection is often
a side effect of asphyxiation.
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Oh, yeah?
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'Cause I was going to say,
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the guy was scared stiff.
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Captioning sponsored by
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and NBC
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We've got six restaurants,
two bars, 13 businesses
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and over 400 residents
near Bleeker and Seventh.
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That is a hell of a lot
of doors to knock on.
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Not to mention,
it's 100 blocks away
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from where the victim ended up.
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If his date killed him
in the village,
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that's a long way to lug a body.
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Meaning one of them lives
near the dump site,
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or she had help moving the body.
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What did Missing Persons say?
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Nobody's missed him yet,
and we got no hit on the prints.
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WOMAN:
Detectives.
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This turned out
to be a challenging one.
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Well, what did the lab find?
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Substance in the
hair turned out
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to be gypsum particles
and flakes
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of flat latex paint
in eggshell white.
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Somebody bashed his head
against the wall.
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It's a common
brand of paint.
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It won't help
you much with
the location.
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The bed sheets were
a little more interesting.
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We put that
blue substance
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under an infrared
spectrometer.
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It's nylon,
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specifically used
for sports apparel.
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Somehow, it melted
all over the sheets.
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STABLER:
Like maybe from
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a faulty dryer?
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You know, it runs too hot,
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you put a pair of running shorts
in there with the sheets,
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you ruin the whole load.
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Killed in an apartment
with white walls
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and a crappy laundry facility.
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I think I live there.
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Yeah, but I'm guessing
you didn't kill the guy.
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We blood-typed the semen found
in the sheets.
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Two types.
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Your victim spent his last night
with another man.
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CRAGEN:
Well, there's two bars
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in the village
on your list.
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You and Olivia see
if any of them cater
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exclusively
to gentlemen.
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BENSON:
You ever seen this guy?
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Sorry, I don't
recognize him.
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How late did you work?
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Till 4:00 in
the morning.
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It's kind of a blur
after 10:00, though.
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( laughs )
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Benefits of working
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at a gay bar-- I never have
to buy my own drinks.
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STABLER:
What kind of clientele
you get in here?
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Hustlers strolling
for work?
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No, mostly just
neighborhood guys.
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What about lovers spats
getting out of hand?
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Bouncer handles that.
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Hey, Tony?
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Police.
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He come in here last night?
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Never seen him here,
but I know that face.
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I think he's a model
or something.
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Like in a magazine?
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No, posters.
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You know, the kind
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they plaster all over
those construction site fences?
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Lawbreakers.
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He said the poster
was advertising
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some dating service.
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Sure it wasn't
Captain Zippy's Rave,
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or fantastic, potent,
herbal Viagra?
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This might
be something.
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"We chose the
path to love."
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That's him.
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Looking pretty heterosexual.
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ReGenesis.
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Doesn't sound like
a dating service.
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HUANG:
It's a Christian Ministry,
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advocating freedom
from homosexuality
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through prayer
and counseling.
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It started in the '80s
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as the so-called
"ex-gay" movement.
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Here we go, "ReGenesis."
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"A second chance
at a new beginning."
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Started by Kelly
and Derek Singer,
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both ex-gays themselves.
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So, former gays
turn gay bashers?
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Not quite.
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ReGenesis doesn't condemn
homosexuality outright,
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but it does believe
that it's a sin,
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and like all sins,
one has to resist it
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in order to enter
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the kingdom of God.
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Meaning, if I pray hard enough,
I'll be straight.
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Or celibate.
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Most ex-gays consider
themselves successful
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if they resist
same-sex behavior.
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The movement's
still controversial.
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Yeah, but if somebody
really believes
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that being gay
is a sin,
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what's wrong with
trying to change?
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HUANG:
The assumption
that one can change.
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ReGenesis claims that members
of its ministry have actually
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become heterosexual,
but offer little proof.
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Most psychiatrists believe
it doesn't work.
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So, the poster boy for the
ex-gay movement
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is still sleeping with guys.
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I mean, that's going
to piss a few people off.
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Find out how much.
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And let's put a name
to this face.
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WOMAN:
James Reed. I can't believe it.
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James Reed.
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When was the last
time you saw him?
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Over six months ago.
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I tried contacting him by phone.
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I-I sent letters,
and he never answered.
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Did you guys have
a falling out or something?
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He thought we
were judging him,
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but we loved James.
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As long as he was straight.
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No. That would make us
hypocrites.
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But your straight
now, right?
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So, you're following God's law,
but he wasn't.
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You think that we're just these
bunch of religious fanatics
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who think God turned us
straight?
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It's a struggle, Detective.
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And Kelly and I fight it
together, every day.
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STABLER:
So, how was it that James
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wound up on the poster?
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It was his idea.
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He felt that people should know
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you can be accountable to God
and have joy in your life.
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Homosexuality doesn't have
to control you.
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BENSON:
But he changed his
tune six months ago.
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He had doubts.
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I told him,
we all have crises of faith.
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BENSON:
In other words,
he had a boyfriend?
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Now, that doesn't look good
for ReGenesis.
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Are you suggesting
that we killed James?
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STABLER:
Someone may have felt betrayed.
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You have this ad campaign.
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Must have cost you a lot
of money.
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There's James Reed,
your poster boy for success,
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until he starts sleeping
with a bunch of guys again.
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It makes your organization look
like a sham.
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I wouldn't have cared
if James had
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100 boyfriends,
if it made him happy.
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I knew it didn't.
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Look, we were just hoping
James would come back.
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We would have welcomed him.
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Yeah, you wrote him, uh,
those letters?
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Yeah. We'll need that address.
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There's no blood.
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Doesn't look like James Reed
was killed in his apartment.
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A syllabus
for a clinical psych class,
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Hudson University.
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Looks like he was going
for his masters.
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"Me and Phil,
Thousand Islands, June '03."
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They're happy.
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Unless Phil's the one
he spent his last night with.
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Look at this.
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Four letters from Derek Singer,
all unopened.
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I guess
he was telling the truth.
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Those two were depressing.
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Trying to convince themselves
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and everybody else
that they're happy.
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Maybe they are.
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Elliot, you can't tell me
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that repressing
your sexual desires
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makes a gay person
a good Christian.
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I don't know.
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Maybe some people choose
to be gay,
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others choose to be straight.
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Oh, so you chose
to be heterosexual?
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Me? No.
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Check this out.
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"All queers
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"will burn in the eternal fire
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of hell, so sayeth the Lord."
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Somehow I don't think
that's a direct quote.
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Hate mail.
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Yeah, about 20,
30 pieces of it,
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all coming
from Nebraska.
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No return address.
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I guess word
of Reed's defection slipped out.
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Let's see if the boyfriend
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in the picture knows
who sent them.
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Phone number for Phil Sona.
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MAN:
I read about James' death
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in the paper.
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I'm just
sick about it.
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I find it odd you didn't report
your boyfriend missing,
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though, Doctor Phil.
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Ex-boyfriend.
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We broke up
three months ago,
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but James doesn't
have any family,
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so I'm taking care
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of the funeral
arrangements.
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Look, I know
you guys have
a job to do,
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but I didn't
kill James.
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I was at a seminar
in Detroit
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the night he died.
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Why the breakup?
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Just wasn't the
love of my life.
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I wasn't his, either.
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We both got what we
needed at the time.
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A reason to leave ReGenesis.
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That is where we met.
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Taking the reorientation
therapy, support groups,
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prayer groups.
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Then we turned to each other.
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We're, like, "What the hell are
we doing here?"
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You thought the whole
thing was a crock?
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No. For a long time,
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I thought things would be easier
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if I was straight.
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Now, I can't imagine wanting
to be anybody
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other than who I am.
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And that is the one good thing
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that I learned at ReGenesis.
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BENSON:
Do you think
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that any ReGenesis member
would be angry enough
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to go after James?
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I doubt it. They're
basically good people.
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They just believe
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that God has given them
a road map for how to live.
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And I don't think
it's that easy.
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These letters--
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you know who
wrote them?
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If that's more
hate mail,
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it could have been anybody.
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James had written some
angry articles
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bashing ReGenesis.
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I said, "You're making a target
of yourself."
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BENSON:
Dr. Sona, James
may have been
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with a man the night
he was murdered.
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Do you know
if he had a new boyfriend?
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He said he was seeing somebody.
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I don't know who.
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It didn't sound
like it was going to work out.
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The guy was way in the closet.
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STABLER:
Maybe he'll come out
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long enough to
attend the funeral.
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( people shouting loudly )
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What the hell is this?
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Devoted members
from the Church of
Eternal Providence,
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visiting from beautiful
Danville, Nebraska.
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Found our hate mailers.
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They got permits
for the sidewalk.
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I'm waiting for one of them
to step over it,
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so I can shut 'em up.
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You get a
line on the
boyfriend?
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So far, nobody claims to be,
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or claims to know
who was dating Reed.
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MAN:
God hates you,
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you hypocrites!
Get the hell out of here.
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The Lord said
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all sodomites should be put
to death.
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Whoa, his might has been shown
to all those who believe...
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Are you just going
to stand here and
let them do this?
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Dr. Sona, just walk,
come on.
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The Reverend has a right
to free speech.
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The Lord Almighty
killed James Reed
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for being a disgusting faggot...
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Oh yeah, that's right.
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We're all fags,
and we're not
going anywhere.
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He's burning for all eternity
in the flames of hell.
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All you want,
we're going to
be sitting here,
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laughing our
asses off.
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Okay, the protest is over Rev.
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This is a legal demonstration.
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Well, not anymore.
Look down.
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You're trespassing.
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Reverend Mitchell Shaw.
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You really get around.
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Protesting in Vermont,
at the Supreme Court...
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...cheering at the funeral
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of a six-year-old
who died of AIDS.
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Maybe you should switch
to a career in publicity.
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The Lord asked me
to do his work.
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Did he ask you to ignore
all that, uh...
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"Love thy neighbor" stuff?
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"If a man also lie with mankind,
as he lieth with a woman,
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"both of them have committed
an abomination.
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"They shall surely
be put to death.
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Their blood shall be upon them."
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Leviticus.
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The Bible also says
I can sell my daughters
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into slavery and be put to death
if I work on Sundays.
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Twelve years of Catholic school.
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Anybody can memorize
the words, Reverend.
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Doesn't make them righteous.
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This city is full of sodomites,
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and you waste your time
protecting them...
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and yet you wonder why
so many other NYPD brothers
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were struck down
on September 11.
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Do you not see
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the Lord's judgment upon you?
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I see a scared, shriveled
up piece of trash
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who uses God to
justify his bigotry.
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This guy doesn't
believe half of
what he says, Elliot.
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He's trying to get
his name in the papers.
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I speak the truth.
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Well, then, you won't deny
calling James Reed a fag...
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an AIDS-infested fag.
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You can't prosecute me
for writing letters.
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We can if you killed the guy.
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The Lord passed his own
judgment on James Reed.
You're just doing
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his work for him? Is that it?
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I wish I had
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sent Reed to hell...
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but I was a thousand miles away.
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Go back in there and strangle
the son-of-a-bitch.
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I love the guy; I want to invite
him to the Christmas Party.
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The Lord spoke to him.
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The Lord sent an angel to talk
to the mother of his only son,
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but he spoke to Reverend Shaw.
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He's a very special guy.
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How's his alibi?
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Danville PD confirmed it.
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Had their hands full
with another picket
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organized by the reverend
the night of Reed's murder.
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Then he's nothing to us.
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Cut him and the rest
of his people loose.
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BENSON:
He targeted Reed.
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One of his followers
could've taken him seriously.
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You connect one of the members
of Shaw's congregation
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to the murder,
I might be able to get him
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on the fighting words doctrine.
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Till then, First Amendment says
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he can enjoy his civil liberties
like everybody else.
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We'll check out his followers
anyway.
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In the meantime, if we're
thinking Reed's killer
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was the last person
he slept with,
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00:14:36,409 --> 00:14:38,045
there's a real problem
with this theory.
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00:14:38,078 --> 00:14:41,381
None of Shaw's people would ever
have had sex with Reed.
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00:14:41,414 --> 00:14:42,782
They just would have killed him.
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00:14:42,815 --> 00:14:45,452
Well, we've still got
the mystery boyfriend
out there somewhere.
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00:14:45,485 --> 00:14:47,554
What'd you get from the people
at Reed's funeral?
Not much.
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00:14:47,587 --> 00:14:49,022
After the fight broke out,
a bunch
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00:14:49,056 --> 00:14:50,390
of people left
before we got their names.
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00:14:50,423 --> 00:14:52,492
Yeah, but we got
their pictures.
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00:14:52,525 --> 00:14:54,461
Where the hell's that from?
MUNCH:
One of Reverend Shaw's
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00:14:54,494 --> 00:14:56,129
church members-- he must
have left it behind.
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00:14:56,163 --> 00:14:58,131
I didn't hear that.
CRAGEN:
Get it back to him, John.
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00:14:58,165 --> 00:15:00,267
I'll be happy to--
I'd even develop
his film for free.
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00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:01,268
Show the pictures
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00:15:01,301 --> 00:15:03,570
to the people you talk
to at Reed's funeral.
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00:15:03,603 --> 00:15:06,439
Maybe they can help ID
the ones that got away.
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00:15:09,742 --> 00:15:12,079
I told you at the cemetery I...
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00:15:12,112 --> 00:15:14,581
I really only knew James
as his advisor.
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00:15:14,614 --> 00:15:16,950
I-I-I don't know
his friends.
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00:15:16,984 --> 00:15:18,718
And he never mentioned
dating anyone, Dr. Waldman?
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00:15:18,751 --> 00:15:21,254
All we talked about
was his research.
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00:15:21,288 --> 00:15:24,091
A shame-- it was shaping up
to be quite provocative.
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00:15:24,124 --> 00:15:26,426
How so?
He was planning
a long-term study
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00:15:26,459 --> 00:15:28,095
on reparative therapy:
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00:15:28,128 --> 00:15:30,730
the idea that same-sex
attraction is a form
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of arrested development
and can be cured.
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Don't most shrinks
think that's crap?
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00:15:35,768 --> 00:15:38,438
They do. Reparative therapy
is experimental
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00:15:38,471 --> 00:15:40,273
and unproven at best.
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00:15:40,307 --> 00:15:41,274
And at worst?
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Early research indicates
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that patients can develop
anxiety, depression,
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00:15:45,778 --> 00:15:48,748
and an increased risk
of suicide.
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00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:50,750
Now, what's so provocative
about James' research?
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00:15:50,783 --> 00:15:52,452
That reparative
therapists know
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00:15:52,485 --> 00:15:53,753
their treatment
doesn't work,
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00:15:53,786 --> 00:15:56,289
yet they prey
on vulnerable patients,
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00:15:56,323 --> 00:15:59,459
and take their money
for a snake oil cure.
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00:15:59,492 --> 00:16:00,994
That could've ruined
a few careers.
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00:16:01,028 --> 00:16:02,996
Might be a motive
for murder.
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00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:07,467
I'd agree, except no one
outside the three professors
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00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:09,769
on the thesis committee
had read the proposal.
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00:16:09,802 --> 00:16:11,138
We're going to
need their names.
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00:16:11,171 --> 00:16:12,005
Of course.
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00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:13,773
Actually, there was
a fourth professor,
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00:16:13,806 --> 00:16:15,108
but he resigned.
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00:16:15,142 --> 00:16:16,109
And who was that?
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00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:17,477
Roger Tate.
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00:16:17,510 --> 00:16:19,312
He's a proponent
of reparative therapy,
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00:16:19,346 --> 00:16:21,314
which is why I wanted him
to sit on the committee,
448
00:16:21,348 --> 00:16:23,150
but he thought there were
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00:16:23,183 --> 00:16:25,085
methodological problems
with the study.
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00:16:25,118 --> 00:16:29,122
We want to talk
to him first.
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00:16:29,156 --> 00:16:31,024
Mr. Reed and I
had differences of opinion,
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00:16:31,058 --> 00:16:32,659
but I liked and respected him.
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00:16:32,692 --> 00:16:36,029
We've debated each other
over the past few months
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in several symposiums.
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00:16:38,065 --> 00:16:39,499
These debates, um...
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he thought being gay was okay,
and you didn't?
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00:16:41,534 --> 00:16:43,436
I personally
have nothing
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00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:44,804
against homosexuals,
459
00:16:44,837 --> 00:16:48,041
but Mr. Reed believed
homosexuality
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00:16:48,075 --> 00:16:50,210
was a natural occurring variant,
461
00:16:50,243 --> 00:16:52,045
like left-handedness.
462
00:16:52,079 --> 00:16:55,348
I believe it's
a complex pathology.
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00:16:55,382 --> 00:16:56,349
And you can cure it?
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00:16:56,383 --> 00:16:57,417
No,
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00:16:57,450 --> 00:17:00,520
but by understanding
the root of their neurosis,
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00:17:00,553 --> 00:17:04,191
they can begin to control
their neurotic tendencies.
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00:17:04,224 --> 00:17:07,360
When homosexuals know
the causes of their condition,
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00:17:07,394 --> 00:17:09,696
they're more able to change
their behavior
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00:17:09,729 --> 00:17:11,564
if they choose to do so.
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00:17:11,598 --> 00:17:14,067
So, what causes that condition?
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00:17:14,101 --> 00:17:16,536
My research has shown
that an over-bearing mother
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00:17:16,569 --> 00:17:18,538
combined with a distant father
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00:17:18,571 --> 00:17:21,841
often influences
psycho-sexual development.
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00:17:21,874 --> 00:17:24,711
A boy longs for a relationship
with the father,
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00:17:24,744 --> 00:17:27,714
and when he doesn't get it,
he seeks it out in other men.
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00:17:27,747 --> 00:17:28,948
It must have
really burned you
477
00:17:28,981 --> 00:17:32,385
that Reed's research was going
to torpedo all your work...
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00:17:32,419 --> 00:17:34,221
or at least torpedo your wallet.
479
00:17:34,254 --> 00:17:35,655
His methods
were shoddy.
480
00:17:35,688 --> 00:17:39,092
I doubt if his research
would ever have been published.
481
00:17:39,126 --> 00:17:40,560
I may have disagreed
with Mr. Reed,
482
00:17:40,593 --> 00:17:42,095
but I didn't hate him.
483
00:17:42,129 --> 00:17:43,863
If nothing else,
I felt sorry for him.
484
00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:46,733
I treat men every day
who are trying to fill
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00:17:46,766 --> 00:17:48,635
their empty lives
with anonymous sex
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00:17:48,668 --> 00:17:51,138
and loveless
relationships.
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00:17:51,171 --> 00:17:54,874
Reed spent so much energy
trying to convince himself
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00:17:54,907 --> 00:17:57,744
that he was normal, happy...
489
00:17:57,777 --> 00:17:59,879
but how could he have been?
490
00:17:59,912 --> 00:18:01,414
If an over-bearing mother
491
00:18:01,448 --> 00:18:03,583
and a distant father
cause homosexuality,
492
00:18:03,616 --> 00:18:04,584
how come I'm not gay?
493
00:18:04,617 --> 00:18:05,752
Maybe you're in denial.
494
00:18:05,785 --> 00:18:07,620
That'd explain a lot.
495
00:18:10,457 --> 00:18:12,592
Excuse me, was
that Elliot Stabler?
496
00:18:12,625 --> 00:18:15,262
No, that's Ian,
Dr. Tate's son.
497
00:18:15,295 --> 00:18:17,430
My mistake.
498
00:18:17,464 --> 00:18:18,431
What was that?
499
00:18:18,465 --> 00:18:20,500
I recognized him
from his picture.
500
00:18:20,533 --> 00:18:22,269
Ian Tate at Reed's funeral,
501
00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:23,603
20 years old, no record,
502
00:18:23,636 --> 00:18:24,904
enrolled in a university
upstate,
503
00:18:24,937 --> 00:18:27,274
dropped out halfway
through the first semester.
504
00:18:27,307 --> 00:18:28,775
Now he's at a community college.
505
00:18:28,808 --> 00:18:30,610
His mother died when
he was 12 years old.
506
00:18:30,643 --> 00:18:31,911
His father pays
for his apartment,
507
00:18:31,944 --> 00:18:35,148
which is half a block away
from where we found
James Reed's body.
508
00:18:35,182 --> 00:18:36,115
We dumped Ian and
Reed's phones.
509
00:18:36,149 --> 00:18:38,785
Past two months, there
were over 50 calls,
510
00:18:38,818 --> 00:18:40,920
including one
from Ian to Reed
511
00:18:40,953 --> 00:18:42,622
the night he
was killed.
512
00:18:42,655 --> 00:18:43,823
They knew each other
well enough
513
00:18:43,856 --> 00:18:45,625
for Ian to go to his funeral.
So, we're saying
514
00:18:45,658 --> 00:18:49,162
Dr. Homophobe's son is gay
and killed his boyfriend?
515
00:18:49,196 --> 00:18:51,164
Well, if he was ashamed
of his sexual identity,
516
00:18:51,198 --> 00:18:52,064
then he may have been driven
517
00:18:52,098 --> 00:18:53,933
to destroy the man
who personified it.
518
00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:55,168
With a father
like Tate,
519
00:18:55,202 --> 00:18:56,303
no wonder he'd try
to hide it.
520
00:18:56,336 --> 00:18:58,305
"You're not gay, son,
you're just crazy."
521
00:18:58,338 --> 00:18:59,572
A lot of gay
people suffer
522
00:18:59,606 --> 00:19:01,641
from some kind
of internalized homophobia.
523
00:19:01,674 --> 00:19:03,576
They all grew up
in the same culture that we did,
524
00:19:03,610 --> 00:19:05,478
where being gay
was considered weird,
525
00:19:05,512 --> 00:19:07,214
or sick, or evil.
526
00:19:07,247 --> 00:19:09,316
Combine that with Dr. Tate
spending years
527
00:19:09,349 --> 00:19:11,718
promoting the idea
that homosexuality
528
00:19:11,751 --> 00:19:13,820
is unacceptable...
Son must hate himself.
529
00:19:13,853 --> 00:19:16,223
And he might do anything
to keep the illusion
530
00:19:16,256 --> 00:19:17,324
that he was straight.
531
00:19:17,357 --> 00:19:19,359
See if you can break it.
532
00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:25,232
STABLER:
Ian Tate!
533
00:19:25,998 --> 00:19:27,099
We need to talk to you.
534
00:19:27,133 --> 00:19:29,502
Why don't you come
on down to the
station with us?
535
00:19:29,536 --> 00:19:31,371
I can't. I've
got class.
536
00:19:31,404 --> 00:19:32,505
I'm already late.
537
00:19:32,539 --> 00:19:35,508
BENSON:
It's about
James Reed.
538
00:19:35,542 --> 00:19:36,676
Never heard of him.
539
00:19:36,709 --> 00:19:37,777
You've never heard
540
00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:38,845
of him-- you've
been talking
541
00:19:38,878 --> 00:19:39,712
to him for two months.
542
00:19:39,746 --> 00:19:41,848
We've got the phone
records to prove it.
543
00:19:45,385 --> 00:19:46,486
He's dead.
544
00:19:48,255 --> 00:19:49,689
I didn't do it.
Ian...
545
00:19:49,722 --> 00:19:52,225
there's lots of ways
this could have gone down.
546
00:19:52,259 --> 00:19:53,860
You guys were together,
you got into a fight,
547
00:19:53,893 --> 00:19:56,463
things got out of hand...
That's sick.
548
00:19:56,496 --> 00:19:57,530
He was harassing me.
549
00:19:57,564 --> 00:19:58,698
STABLER:
Why?
550
00:19:58,731 --> 00:20:00,700
Because of my father.
551
00:20:00,733 --> 00:20:02,235
I met him at one of Dad's talks.
552
00:20:02,269 --> 00:20:03,370
Guy just starts in on me.
553
00:20:03,403 --> 00:20:04,937
Freaking faggot.
Faggot?
554
00:20:04,971 --> 00:20:08,708
Boy, Ian, buddy, you're
a walking cliché.
555
00:20:08,741 --> 00:20:10,877
Most homophobes are
actually repressed
homosexuals,
556
00:20:10,910 --> 00:20:12,044
you know that?
557
00:20:12,078 --> 00:20:14,447
This is going to be a lot easier
if you're honest with us.
558
00:20:14,481 --> 00:20:16,383
I'm not gay...
559
00:20:16,416 --> 00:20:17,850
and I didn't kill him.
560
00:20:17,884 --> 00:20:18,818
You get it?
Need some help?
561
00:20:18,851 --> 00:20:20,720
Why don't you come
with us down to the station.
562
00:20:20,753 --> 00:20:21,721
Give us a DNA sample,
563
00:20:21,754 --> 00:20:23,356
we'll leave you alone.
564
00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:24,591
No.
565
00:20:28,928 --> 00:20:30,730
Don't have cause
to compel a swab.
566
00:20:30,763 --> 00:20:33,833
Why don't we collect ourselves
some evidence?
567
00:20:33,866 --> 00:20:36,569
Faulty dryer maybe?
568
00:20:36,603 --> 00:20:39,272
Public area, don't
need a warrant.
569
00:20:43,943 --> 00:20:46,279
This one looks
clean, too...
570
00:20:47,614 --> 00:20:49,949
...but it's barely
giving off any heat.
571
00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:54,454
This one's on fire.
572
00:21:02,462 --> 00:21:03,963
Liv...
573
00:21:08,935 --> 00:21:09,902
That looks like
574
00:21:09,936 --> 00:21:11,438
blue melted nylon to me.
575
00:21:11,471 --> 00:21:12,739
And that should
get us a warrant
576
00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:14,474
for Ian's apartment.
577
00:21:19,979 --> 00:21:21,948
STABLER:
Place has been cleaned.
578
00:21:21,981 --> 00:21:24,317
It smells like somebody painted
in here.
579
00:21:28,988 --> 00:21:31,324
Guy had drywall
in his hair.
580
00:21:31,358 --> 00:21:33,326
His walls aren't
even chipped.
581
00:21:34,827 --> 00:21:37,397
The mattress looks
like it's brand new.
582
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:38,765
Luminol didn't pick up
any blood.
583
00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:40,833
He didn't bleed that much.
584
00:21:44,671 --> 00:21:46,639
Elliot...
585
00:21:46,673 --> 00:21:48,341
feel that.
586
00:21:51,143 --> 00:21:52,479
It's uneven.
587
00:21:52,512 --> 00:21:53,813
Like it's just been patched.
588
00:21:53,846 --> 00:21:54,814
Right at head level.
589
00:21:54,847 --> 00:21:55,982
Got a saw?
Yeah.
590
00:21:56,015 --> 00:21:56,983
Bring it.
591
00:21:57,016 --> 00:21:59,652
( saw buzzing )
592
00:21:59,686 --> 00:22:00,820
TATE:
What the hell is this?
593
00:22:00,853 --> 00:22:02,489
MAN:
Sorry, you're not allowed
in here.
594
00:22:02,522 --> 00:22:03,823
What are you doing?
595
00:22:03,856 --> 00:22:05,124
Where's your warrant?
596
00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:06,459
Enjoy.
597
00:22:06,493 --> 00:22:08,695
TATE:
I'm calling
a lawyer.
598
00:22:08,728 --> 00:22:10,663
You can't destroy
private property.
599
00:22:10,697 --> 00:22:12,131
Ian, let's go.
600
00:22:12,164 --> 00:22:15,034
Let's see what we
find here first--
just relax.
601
00:22:23,543 --> 00:22:26,879
I got blood...
and hair.
602
00:22:28,047 --> 00:22:30,082
All that plastering
for nothing, huh?
603
00:22:30,116 --> 00:22:31,618
All right, Tate,
you're under arrest
604
00:22:31,651 --> 00:22:32,585
for the murder
of James Reed.
605
00:22:32,619 --> 00:22:34,521
Don't say anything.
I'm getting you a lawyer.
606
00:22:34,554 --> 00:22:36,055
Say nothing.
607
00:22:54,607 --> 00:22:55,575
Docket ending 247,
608
00:22:55,608 --> 00:22:57,410
the People vs. Ian
Alexander Tate.
609
00:22:57,444 --> 00:22:59,712
One count murder
in the second degree.
610
00:22:59,746 --> 00:23:01,881
Emma Dishell
for the defense.
611
00:23:01,914 --> 00:23:04,050
JUDGE:
How does the
defendant plead?
612
00:23:04,083 --> 00:23:05,151
Not guilty.
613
00:23:06,185 --> 00:23:08,421
Your thoughts on bail,
Ms. Novak?
614
00:23:08,455 --> 00:23:09,889
The People request remand,
Your Honor.
615
00:23:09,922 --> 00:23:12,191
The defendant committed murder
because of his hatred
616
00:23:12,224 --> 00:23:13,726
for homosexuals.
617
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,194
We consider him
a danger to the
community.
618
00:23:15,227 --> 00:23:17,063
My client was
defending himself
619
00:23:17,096 --> 00:23:19,031
after being sexually
assaulted by the decedent.
620
00:23:19,065 --> 00:23:23,069
Your Honor, there was no
evidence or report of assault.
621
00:23:23,102 --> 00:23:25,672
In fact, this is the first time
anyone's mentioned it.
622
00:23:25,705 --> 00:23:27,574
And as the ADA
for Special Victims,
623
00:23:27,607 --> 00:23:29,576
you should know
that rape victims
624
00:23:29,609 --> 00:23:31,110
often delay reporting
their attacks.
625
00:23:31,143 --> 00:23:33,079
The defendant's semen
was found at the scene.
626
00:23:33,112 --> 00:23:34,681
If a woman
has an orgasm
627
00:23:34,714 --> 00:23:37,984
when she's raped, does that mean
she really wanted it?
628
00:23:38,017 --> 00:23:40,587
Eh, that's beyond the scope
of these proceedings.
629
00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:42,221
Now, you say you have proof
of a rape,
630
00:23:42,254 --> 00:23:45,224
Ms. Dishell, uh, present
it to a trial judge.
631
00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:47,594
Until then,
the defendant's remanded.
632
00:23:47,627 --> 00:23:49,128
Next case.
633
00:23:51,598 --> 00:23:53,500
NOVAK:
Ian Tate wasn't raped.
634
00:23:53,533 --> 00:23:55,635
It's just a lame attempt
at a gay panic defense.
635
00:23:55,668 --> 00:23:57,236
He came on to me
so I killed him.
636
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:58,370
That defense
rarely works.
637
00:23:58,404 --> 00:24:01,107
You know the trial judge
in the Matthew Shepard case
638
00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:03,543
didn't even allow that
theory to be presented.
639
00:24:03,576 --> 00:24:05,878
But in New York, gay panic falls
640
00:24:05,912 --> 00:24:08,715
under extreme emotional
disturbance.
641
00:24:08,748 --> 00:24:10,483
And juries still don't buy it.
642
00:24:10,517 --> 00:24:12,184
Then why are you
so worried?
643
00:24:14,186 --> 00:24:18,858
Because you know this isn't
about the letter of the law.
644
00:24:18,891 --> 00:24:21,628
It's about the jury
and their prejudices.
645
00:24:21,661 --> 00:24:23,229
And if even one juror thinks
646
00:24:23,262 --> 00:24:25,498
that gays are predators
and sinners,
647
00:24:25,532 --> 00:24:27,767
then your murder conviction
gets knocked down
648
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:28,801
to manslaughter.
649
00:24:28,835 --> 00:24:29,836
If not an acquittal.
650
00:24:29,869 --> 00:24:31,638
The Supreme Court
may have advanced
651
00:24:31,671 --> 00:24:33,172
gay rights in that
Texas case,
652
00:24:33,205 --> 00:24:35,975
but they also incited
a bit of backlash.
653
00:24:36,008 --> 00:24:38,077
All right, so what am I
supposed to do about that?
654
00:24:38,110 --> 00:24:39,512
Take the juice out
of the defense.
655
00:24:39,546 --> 00:24:40,613
Prove the defendant
himself
656
00:24:40,647 --> 00:24:43,916
is a homosexual, and gay panic
goes out the window.
657
00:24:43,950 --> 00:24:47,119
You can't lose your mind
over a homosexual advance
658
00:24:47,153 --> 00:24:48,621
if you're gay.
659
00:24:48,655 --> 00:24:50,990
Now, the tricky part is
not playing the politics.
660
00:24:51,023 --> 00:24:53,926
They want to make this about
straight versus gay.
661
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,294
You make it about murder.
662
00:24:55,327 --> 00:24:57,063
BENSON:
Ian Tate is a loner.
663
00:24:57,096 --> 00:24:59,165
I mean, the only person
that he talks to
664
00:24:59,198 --> 00:25:00,967
on a regular basis
is his father.
665
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,736
He's got no friends at school,
none in his building.
666
00:25:03,770 --> 00:25:04,704
What about financials--
667
00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:06,806
tab from a gay bar,
magazine subscriptions?
668
00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:08,307
Nothing. He probably
didn't want to leave
669
00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:09,542
a paper trail
that could out him.
670
00:25:09,576 --> 00:25:11,210
And he's never dated
anyone else?
671
00:25:11,243 --> 00:25:12,311
I wouldn't
be surprised
672
00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:15,181
if James Reed is the only
person that Ian ever dated.
673
00:25:15,214 --> 00:25:16,182
MUNCH:
Hey, guys.
674
00:25:16,215 --> 00:25:17,550
You're late.
675
00:25:17,584 --> 00:25:18,818
I got a good reason.
676
00:25:18,851 --> 00:25:19,819
Bad news.
677
00:25:19,852 --> 00:25:20,720
What is it?
678
00:25:20,753 --> 00:25:22,822
My guess-- Exhibit "A"
for the defense.
679
00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:24,591
The night of James
Reed's murder,
680
00:25:24,624 --> 00:25:27,093
the 2-9 received a call
from Stuyvesant's E.R.,
681
00:25:27,126 --> 00:25:28,695
patient reporting an assault.
682
00:25:28,728 --> 00:25:29,929
That's the 61.
683
00:25:29,962 --> 00:25:33,966
Victim's name, Ian Tate.
684
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,035
Checked in at 11:05 that night.
685
00:25:36,068 --> 00:25:38,571
14 centimeter lac
on his right arm,
686
00:25:38,605 --> 00:25:40,607
minor contusions to his torso.
687
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,808
Said he got mugged.
688
00:25:41,841 --> 00:25:43,876
Well, the precinct wasn't called
until 7:30 the next morning.
689
00:25:43,910 --> 00:25:46,846
Welcome to Thursday night at the
Knife and Gun Club, detective.
690
00:25:46,879 --> 00:25:48,748
We were slammed,
and he had a long wait.
691
00:25:48,781 --> 00:25:49,949
Any sign of sexual assault?
692
00:25:49,982 --> 00:25:52,184
If I thought he had been,
I would have asked.
693
00:25:52,218 --> 00:25:53,686
Men underreport as it is.
694
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,787
Okay, after
he checked in,
695
00:25:54,821 --> 00:25:56,656
could he have left
and come back?
696
00:25:56,689 --> 00:25:58,090
Nope. You leave,
you lose your spot.
697
00:25:58,124 --> 00:25:59,091
Thanks.
698
00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:01,994
61 says the precinct cops
699
00:26:02,028 --> 00:26:04,263
got Ian's report
at 8:10 that morning;
700
00:26:04,296 --> 00:26:06,332
at 8:30, Reed's body is found
seven blocks from here.
701
00:26:06,365 --> 00:26:08,300
And the body wasn't
there at 11:00
the night before
702
00:26:08,334 --> 00:26:11,170
when Ian was already
on the way to the hospital
where he spent the night.
703
00:26:11,203 --> 00:26:12,371
So, when did he find the time
704
00:26:12,404 --> 00:26:14,106
to get rid of the body
of a 165-pound man?
705
00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:15,407
Had to be the father.
706
00:26:15,441 --> 00:26:17,877
Nobody else in
Ian's life is going
to dump a body for him.
707
00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:19,612
We got to place Daddy
at that scene.
708
00:26:19,646 --> 00:26:21,113
You guys were right.
709
00:26:21,147 --> 00:26:22,749
What did you find?
710
00:26:22,782 --> 00:26:23,983
That's your victim's blood.
711
00:26:24,016 --> 00:26:25,384
We rushed labs
to get the match
712
00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:27,319
once your suspect
was in custody.
713
00:26:27,353 --> 00:26:28,320
No more rush.
714
00:26:28,354 --> 00:26:29,388
Until now.
715
00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:30,990
Show and Tell time.
716
00:26:31,023 --> 00:26:34,927
The cheap and fast way
to fix a wall is to put a patch
717
00:26:34,961 --> 00:26:37,396
behind the hole,
hold it steady with a string,
718
00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:38,597
and plaster over it.
719
00:26:38,631 --> 00:26:41,768
I found another blood sample
after the patch was removed.
720
00:26:41,801 --> 00:26:44,637
When you chip away
all the plaster
used to fix it,
721
00:26:44,671 --> 00:26:47,306
you find the perimeter
of the initial damage.
722
00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:51,778
Now, if I take your head
and bash it through the wall?
723
00:26:51,811 --> 00:26:54,681
My hand is going to go through
as well.
724
00:26:54,714 --> 00:26:57,116
So, when I pull my hand out...
725
00:26:57,149 --> 00:26:58,718
That's the
killer's blood.
726
00:26:58,751 --> 00:26:59,719
And it's not Ian Tate.
727
00:26:59,752 --> 00:27:02,288
DNA came back matching
only his Y chromosome.
728
00:27:02,321 --> 00:27:04,290
The killer is
a close male relative.
729
00:27:04,323 --> 00:27:06,625
No one's closer then Dad.
730
00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:11,430
ATTORNEY:
I'm listening.
731
00:27:11,463 --> 00:27:13,432
Unless the next words
out of your mouth are man two,
732
00:27:13,465 --> 00:27:15,034
we've got nothing to talk about.
733
00:27:15,067 --> 00:27:16,903
Well, I think I can do better
than that...
734
00:27:16,936 --> 00:27:18,671
if your client recants
his statement.
735
00:27:18,705 --> 00:27:20,439
My statement
is the truth.
736
00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:23,342
He forced himself on
me and I fought back.
737
00:27:23,375 --> 00:27:24,711
And you dumped
the body
738
00:27:24,744 --> 00:27:26,779
on the street
near your house.
739
00:27:26,813 --> 00:27:27,780
Yeah.
740
00:27:27,814 --> 00:27:29,248
When did you
do that?
741
00:27:29,281 --> 00:27:32,251
That night
or the next morning?
742
00:27:36,422 --> 00:27:37,757
I don't remember.
743
00:27:37,790 --> 00:27:38,958
What does this matter?
744
00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:40,326
I think your
client knows
745
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,894
exactly why this matters.
746
00:27:43,362 --> 00:27:45,031
He caught you, didn't he?
747
00:27:46,398 --> 00:27:47,734
Shut up.
748
00:27:47,767 --> 00:27:50,703
Ian, going to jail
isn't going to help.
749
00:27:50,737 --> 00:27:51,971
I did it.
750
00:27:52,004 --> 00:27:55,808
We found your father's blood
in your apartment.
751
00:27:55,842 --> 00:27:57,376
We know what happened.
752
00:27:57,409 --> 00:27:59,111
If you have evidence
implicating his father,
753
00:27:59,145 --> 00:28:00,847
you have an obligation to drop
the charges
754
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:01,914
and get my client out of here.
755
00:28:01,948 --> 00:28:04,784
If your client wants to avoid
accessory charges,
756
00:28:04,817 --> 00:28:05,985
you'll sit down now.
757
00:28:14,861 --> 00:28:16,796
You have no idea.
758
00:28:16,829 --> 00:28:18,464
No...
759
00:28:18,497 --> 00:28:20,833
but I can imagine
how you must feel.
760
00:28:22,802 --> 00:28:25,905
James knew what you were going
through, didn't he?
761
00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:30,509
He knew what it felt like
to hate yourself,
762
00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:34,280
to want to change
and know you can't.
763
00:28:34,313 --> 00:28:39,418
For the first time,
somebody understood you.
764
00:28:39,451 --> 00:28:40,887
Now, he's gone.
765
00:28:43,355 --> 00:28:44,991
You didn't go
to the hospital
766
00:28:45,024 --> 00:28:46,826
because James
attacked you.
767
00:28:46,859 --> 00:28:50,062
Your father did.
768
00:28:55,101 --> 00:28:56,869
He didn't mean to.
769
00:28:58,905 --> 00:29:02,809
He was shocked
seeing me like that.
770
00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:11,818
Tell them that, okay?
771
00:29:11,851 --> 00:29:14,186
He wasn't himself.
772
00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:17,156
It wasn't his fault.
773
00:29:22,528 --> 00:29:23,996
What the hell?
774
00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:25,331
This is completely...
775
00:29:25,364 --> 00:29:26,498
Completely what?
776
00:29:26,532 --> 00:29:28,901
What is it, Doctor?
Sick? Unnatural?
777
00:29:28,935 --> 00:29:29,902
So is murder.
778
00:29:29,936 --> 00:29:30,970
Roger Tate,
you're under arrest
779
00:29:31,003 --> 00:29:32,304
for the murder of James Reed.
780
00:29:32,338 --> 00:29:33,639
You have the right
to remain silent.
781
00:29:33,672 --> 00:29:37,009
Anything you say can
and will be used against
you in a court of law.
782
00:29:50,356 --> 00:29:52,324
She rides her bike
to work--
783
00:29:52,358 --> 00:29:55,127
that is so
environmentally
conscious.
784
00:29:55,161 --> 00:29:56,128
Ms. Novak, right?
785
00:29:56,162 --> 00:29:59,131
Your office told me
you would be riding up.
786
00:29:59,165 --> 00:30:01,400
Dave Seaver,
representing
Roger Tate.
787
00:30:01,433 --> 00:30:03,870
Yeah, I remember your name--
state Senate elections.
788
00:30:03,903 --> 00:30:05,137
I didn't vote for you.
789
00:30:05,171 --> 00:30:07,306
Neither did most of New York,
but that's okay.
790
00:30:07,339 --> 00:30:09,876
My shrink says it's made me
less self-destructive.
791
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:11,077
A little advice, Dave:
792
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:13,212
you want to court
the conservative
vote, be my guest.
793
00:30:13,245 --> 00:30:14,446
But I'd find
another client.
794
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,215
Roger Tate's no defender
of family values.
795
00:30:16,248 --> 00:30:17,049
He's just a killer.
796
00:30:17,083 --> 00:30:18,951
He was defending his son
from a rapist.
797
00:30:18,985 --> 00:30:20,853
Yeah, you know, that
might have worked
798
00:30:20,887 --> 00:30:22,855
before Ian Tate said
the sex was consensual.
799
00:30:22,889 --> 00:30:24,190
My client was mistaken,
800
00:30:24,223 --> 00:30:27,193
which, under the law,
is still justifiable homicide.
801
00:30:29,929 --> 00:30:31,864
Your Honor, my client
believed he saw a man
802
00:30:31,898 --> 00:30:33,199
raping his son.
803
00:30:33,232 --> 00:30:35,167
Article 35
of the Penal Code states
804
00:30:35,201 --> 00:30:38,437
that one can use deadly force
to prevent forcible sodomy.
805
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:41,007
Justification is not
a defense for stupidity.
806
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,442
The test is, would a man
with the same background
807
00:30:43,475 --> 00:30:46,512
and experiences as my client,
respond in the same manner?
808
00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:47,947
A reasonable man, Mr. Seaver.
809
00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:49,581
And no reasonable
person believes
810
00:30:49,615 --> 00:30:52,151
two men having sex
automatically constitutes rape.
811
00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:53,219
My client's
research
812
00:30:53,252 --> 00:30:54,887
focused on aggression,
promiscuity
813
00:30:54,921 --> 00:30:56,655
and deviant behavior
in homosexual males.
814
00:30:56,688 --> 00:30:59,358
It's not just a crazy belief;
he's done the studies
815
00:30:59,391 --> 00:31:00,526
to back it up.
816
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,062
Your Daubert test
requires theories
to be accepted
817
00:31:03,095 --> 00:31:04,596
by the scientific community.
818
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:05,664
Dr. Tate's work was not.
819
00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:06,698
I'm not presenting
820
00:31:06,732 --> 00:31:09,101
my client's work as accepted
scientific theory,
821
00:31:09,135 --> 00:31:11,237
but as irrefutable proof
of his state of mind.
822
00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:13,005
Tate's own son is homosexual.
823
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:14,340
And he didn't know that.
824
00:31:14,373 --> 00:31:15,341
Your Honor,
825
00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:16,475
did my client possess
826
00:31:16,508 --> 00:31:18,277
the culpable mental
state required
827
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:19,946
to commit a crime?
The answer is no.
828
00:31:19,979 --> 00:31:21,347
This defense is an attempt
829
00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:24,183
to encourage and exploit bigotry
against homosexuals.
830
00:31:24,216 --> 00:31:26,018
He's going for jury
nullification.
831
00:31:26,052 --> 00:31:28,087
Ms. Novak, I'm not convinced
832
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,489
that a defense
should be rejected
833
00:31:30,522 --> 00:31:33,325
simply because a jury
might believe it.
834
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:36,695
Defining reasonable
is a very difficult issue.
835
00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:39,999
And it's one that I believe
is better decided
836
00:31:40,032 --> 00:31:42,001
by 12 of Dr. Tate's peers.
837
00:31:45,437 --> 00:31:48,007
NOVAK:
The night James Reed
was killed,
838
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,477
how did your father get
into your apartment?
839
00:31:51,510 --> 00:31:52,678
He has a key.
840
00:31:52,711 --> 00:31:54,413
He was bringing
over dinner.
841
00:31:54,446 --> 00:31:57,416
But you thought
he was out of town,
842
00:31:57,449 --> 00:32:01,587
and that's why you
invited your boyfriend
to spend the night.
843
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:05,091
Yes.
844
00:32:05,124 --> 00:32:09,395
And he caught you in bed
with James Reed.
845
00:32:09,428 --> 00:32:11,097
What did he do?
846
00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:13,532
He pulled James
away from me.
847
00:32:13,565 --> 00:32:14,700
Then what?
848
00:32:14,733 --> 00:32:17,636
Then he pushed James into
the wall two or three times.
849
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:19,405
I heard a crack.
850
00:32:19,438 --> 00:32:23,209
James stopped fighting;
he was dead.
851
00:32:23,242 --> 00:32:25,344
Your father
then attacked you.
852
00:32:25,377 --> 00:32:26,545
What did he say?
853
00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:28,014
He kept asking me
854
00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:29,215
how I could do this to him.
855
00:32:29,248 --> 00:32:31,617
Meaning, how could
you threaten his life's work
856
00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:32,618
by being homosexual?
857
00:32:32,651 --> 00:32:34,586
Objection. Calls
for speculation.
858
00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:36,655
Withdrawn.
859
00:32:36,688 --> 00:32:39,091
Nothing further.
860
00:32:42,028 --> 00:32:44,630
When did you tell your dad
you were homosexual?
861
00:32:44,663 --> 00:32:46,765
I didn't.
862
00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:48,567
And you've known for how long?
863
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,070
Since I can remember.
864
00:32:51,103 --> 00:32:52,704
So, you've been a liar
your whole life?
865
00:32:52,738 --> 00:32:54,106
It must have
been difficult
866
00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:55,774
hiding that kind of lifestyle.
867
00:32:55,807 --> 00:32:58,677
You even made up a girlfriend,
didn't you?
868
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:59,678
Sandy?
869
00:32:59,711 --> 00:33:02,181
That was high school.
870
00:33:02,214 --> 00:33:04,116
But you must have found
some other outlet
871
00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:05,651
for your predilections?
Gay pornography.
872
00:33:05,684 --> 00:33:08,320
Objection, assuming facts
not in evidence.
873
00:33:08,354 --> 00:33:10,456
Tone down the rhetoric,
Mr. Seaver.
874
00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:12,258
Objection sustained.
875
00:33:12,291 --> 00:33:14,160
Your dad knock you around a lot?
876
00:33:14,193 --> 00:33:15,361
No. Never.
877
00:33:15,394 --> 00:33:18,030
Ever see him get into a physical
altercation with anybody?
878
00:33:18,064 --> 00:33:20,299
Once. This kid at school
beat me up.
879
00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:23,369
My dad got in a fight
with the kid's father.
880
00:33:23,402 --> 00:33:24,703
Broke his nose.
881
00:33:24,736 --> 00:33:29,541
So, he's only violent
when he's defending you?
882
00:33:29,575 --> 00:33:34,046
Ian, why did you confess
to James Reed's murder?
883
00:33:43,355 --> 00:33:46,358
What nobody gets...
884
00:33:46,392 --> 00:33:50,462
is this happened because of me.
885
00:33:50,496 --> 00:33:54,533
Because of what I am.
886
00:33:56,102 --> 00:33:57,736
If I weren't
so sick,
887
00:33:57,769 --> 00:34:00,439
I could've
controlled myself.
888
00:34:08,247 --> 00:34:11,217
It was my fault.
889
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:15,487
I didn't want my dad
going to jail for my mistake.
890
00:34:19,291 --> 00:34:20,659
Dr. Cahill,
891
00:34:20,692 --> 00:34:24,163
what was the first study you
and Dr. Tate conducted?
892
00:34:24,196 --> 00:34:26,865
CAHILL:
We analyzed over 10,000
questionnaires
893
00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:27,833
on male sexuality.
894
00:34:27,866 --> 00:34:31,203
And what conclusions did
you and Dr. Tate draw?
895
00:34:31,237 --> 00:34:33,705
That homosexuals
solicited sex from minors,
896
00:34:33,739 --> 00:34:35,674
engaged in high-risk behaviors
897
00:34:35,707 --> 00:34:38,877
and had violent sexual relations
more than heterosexuals.
898
00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:41,413
Taking all of Dr.
Tate's research
899
00:34:41,447 --> 00:34:44,116
on homosexual
behavior into
account,
900
00:34:44,150 --> 00:34:47,753
what do you believe
are the general conclusions?
901
00:34:47,786 --> 00:34:52,258
Homosexuals suffer a multitude
of psychological problems.
902
00:34:52,291 --> 00:34:55,161
They are more likely
to be depressed, alienated
903
00:34:55,194 --> 00:34:57,563
and have issues with rage.
904
00:34:57,596 --> 00:34:58,864
Thank you.
905
00:34:58,897 --> 00:35:01,200
No further questions.
906
00:35:03,735 --> 00:35:05,871
Where have these studies
been published?
907
00:35:05,904 --> 00:35:07,139
Which one?
908
00:35:07,173 --> 00:35:08,340
Any of them?
909
00:35:08,374 --> 00:35:09,741
They're still
being considered
910
00:35:09,775 --> 00:35:11,210
for publication.
911
00:35:11,243 --> 00:35:12,211
Oh.
912
00:35:12,244 --> 00:35:13,679
Well, good luck with that.
913
00:35:13,712 --> 00:35:17,249
So, you say gay people
have more sex with minors
914
00:35:17,283 --> 00:35:18,850
then straight people?
915
00:35:18,884 --> 00:35:20,152
Why does almost
916
00:35:20,186 --> 00:35:21,320
every other
study say
917
00:35:21,353 --> 00:35:24,590
pedophiles are far
more likely to be
heterosexual?
918
00:35:24,623 --> 00:35:26,425
That is evidence of the bias
919
00:35:26,458 --> 00:35:29,195
within the so-called
mainstream psychology.
920
00:35:29,228 --> 00:35:31,797
So, when the American
Psychiatric Association
921
00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:33,232
removed homosexuality
922
00:35:33,265 --> 00:35:35,501
from its list of mental
disorders in 1973,
923
00:35:35,534 --> 00:35:39,338
and every other major medical
association followed suit,
924
00:35:39,371 --> 00:35:41,440
you're saying it's all
a big conspiracy?
925
00:35:41,473 --> 00:35:42,908
Objection.
926
00:35:42,941 --> 00:35:45,711
Nothing further.
927
00:35:45,744 --> 00:35:47,946
I'm ashamed to say I...
928
00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:52,318
I never suspected Ian
was a homosexual.
929
00:35:52,351 --> 00:35:53,852
I wish I'd known.
930
00:35:53,885 --> 00:35:55,454
Why?
931
00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:57,189
Wouldn't you have disowned him,
932
00:35:57,223 --> 00:35:58,224
committed him
to a mental hospital?
933
00:35:58,257 --> 00:35:59,225
No.
934
00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:00,792
I loved my son.
935
00:36:00,826 --> 00:36:03,262
I would have done
anything to help him.
936
00:36:03,295 --> 00:36:07,165
No further
questions.
937
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:09,735
You and Ian were close?
938
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:12,871
Yes.
939
00:36:12,904 --> 00:36:15,674
But you claim
you didn't know he was gay,
940
00:36:15,707 --> 00:36:17,743
so not that close I guess.
941
00:36:17,776 --> 00:36:20,446
I love my son.
942
00:36:20,479 --> 00:36:21,880
And yet, you let him
take the fall
943
00:36:21,913 --> 00:36:23,249
for causing
James Reed's death.
944
00:36:23,282 --> 00:36:26,485
So, maybe
the truer statement would be,
945
00:36:26,518 --> 00:36:28,620
you love Ian, but not
as much as you love yourself.
946
00:36:28,654 --> 00:36:29,621
I'm on trial
947
00:36:29,655 --> 00:36:31,823
for protecting my son from a man
948
00:36:31,857 --> 00:36:34,760
I thought was raping him.
949
00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:35,994
Why dump the body?
950
00:36:36,027 --> 00:36:37,463
Why conceal the evidence?
951
00:36:37,496 --> 00:36:38,464
Why not call the police
952
00:36:38,497 --> 00:36:40,399
and tell them
what a righteous guy you are?
953
00:36:40,432 --> 00:36:41,633
Objection.
954
00:36:41,667 --> 00:36:42,668
I love Ian.
955
00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:43,735
You keep saying
that, Dr. Tate.
956
00:36:43,769 --> 00:36:44,970
You can't
tell me
957
00:36:45,003 --> 00:36:47,506
how I feel about my son.
958
00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:51,343
How dare you presume to know
anything about our relationship?
959
00:36:51,377 --> 00:36:53,645
Because, he's been sitting
in this court room
960
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:54,746
while you mount a defense
961
00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:57,683
that calls him
a deviant.
962
00:36:57,716 --> 00:37:02,421
Now you tell me again
how much you love him.
963
00:37:20,539 --> 00:37:22,007
Hey, how did it go with Tate?
964
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,609
Jurors eight
and ten believe him.
965
00:37:23,642 --> 00:37:24,610
Enough to hang the jury?
966
00:37:24,643 --> 00:37:25,711
Maybe.
967
00:37:25,744 --> 00:37:27,579
In which case, all I've done
is out some poor kid,
968
00:37:27,613 --> 00:37:29,848
it's not exactly my
favorite legal strategy.
969
00:37:29,881 --> 00:37:31,016
You didn't
have a choice.
970
00:37:31,049 --> 00:37:32,651
You got kids, you ever
wonder if one's gay?
971
00:37:36,388 --> 00:37:38,424
I don't know, I haven't asked.
972
00:37:38,457 --> 00:37:39,558
Elliot,
you know your kids,
973
00:37:39,591 --> 00:37:40,926
you'd know
if one of them was gay.
974
00:37:40,959 --> 00:37:41,993
Exactly,
975
00:37:42,027 --> 00:37:43,829
and Tate's whole defense
is predicated on the fact
976
00:37:43,862 --> 00:37:45,997
that he never suspected
his son was gay.
977
00:37:46,031 --> 00:37:47,999
You don't buy it?
978
00:37:48,033 --> 00:37:50,469
No, but I can't prove it.
979
00:37:50,502 --> 00:37:52,371
Ian had a girlfriend
all through high school.
980
00:37:52,404 --> 00:37:53,639
For all appearances,
981
00:37:53,672 --> 00:37:54,773
he was straight.
982
00:37:54,806 --> 00:37:55,841
We never found a girlfriend when
983
00:37:55,874 --> 00:37:56,942
we were looking at Tate's past.
984
00:37:58,344 --> 00:38:00,646
'Cause we were looking
for boyfriends.
985
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:02,348
Well, if Ian knew all along
that he was gay,
986
00:38:02,381 --> 00:38:04,383
I bet you that
the girlfriend did too.
987
00:38:04,416 --> 00:38:06,385
Find out.
988
00:38:06,418 --> 00:38:07,353
I haven't talked to Ian
989
00:38:07,386 --> 00:38:08,286
in a couple of years,
990
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,888
I don't know how much help
I'm going to be.
991
00:38:09,921 --> 00:38:11,390
We appreciate anything
you would tell us.
992
00:38:11,423 --> 00:38:12,524
One of the
guidance counselors
993
00:38:12,558 --> 00:38:16,462
said that you and Ian
dated all through high school?
994
00:38:16,495 --> 00:38:19,598
Um, we were good friends,
but I wouldn't say we dated.
995
00:38:19,631 --> 00:38:20,732
No? What would
you say?
996
00:38:20,766 --> 00:38:23,369
He just wasn't very interested
in the physical part,
997
00:38:23,402 --> 00:38:25,070
which was okay,
998
00:38:25,103 --> 00:38:27,839
I really loved him,
and he loved me.
999
00:38:27,873 --> 00:38:29,375
So, he wasn't really
attracted to women.
1000
00:38:29,408 --> 00:38:30,909
Well,
he never like
1001
00:38:30,942 --> 00:38:32,578
came out to me or anything.
1002
00:38:32,611 --> 00:38:33,779
I just knew.
1003
00:38:33,812 --> 00:38:35,046
I was happy to be there for him
1004
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,449
so people wouldn't harass him
like they did the other guys.
1005
00:38:37,483 --> 00:38:38,417
Did you ever
tell anybody
1006
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:39,551
that Ian was gay?
1007
00:38:39,585 --> 00:38:41,420
Like, his father maybe?
1008
00:38:41,453 --> 00:38:42,488
Oh God,
no, no way.
1009
00:38:42,521 --> 00:38:43,489
Ian would
have killed me.
1010
00:38:43,522 --> 00:38:45,391
I told him.
1011
00:38:45,424 --> 00:38:47,426
Mom, are you crazy?
Why?
1012
00:38:47,459 --> 00:38:48,760
He was such
a sweet boy.
1013
00:38:48,794 --> 00:38:50,496
He spent so much time
around here,
1014
00:38:50,529 --> 00:38:51,763
he was like a second child.
1015
00:38:51,797 --> 00:38:53,031
I could see
how much he was suffering,
1016
00:38:53,064 --> 00:38:54,433
and I thought Roger should know.
1017
00:38:56,802 --> 00:38:58,136
When did you tell him?
1018
00:38:58,169 --> 00:38:59,471
The kids'
senior year.
1019
00:38:59,505 --> 00:39:01,773
I called Roger and I told him,
1020
00:39:01,807 --> 00:39:04,776
"Roger, you should talk to Ian,
he's very depressed."
1021
00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:07,379
I just told him, I said,
"Roger, your son is gay,
1022
00:39:07,413 --> 00:39:10,382
"you're making an incredibly
difficult situation worse,
1023
00:39:10,416 --> 00:39:12,618
you need to be a father."
1024
00:39:12,651 --> 00:39:13,919
How did he respond to that?
1025
00:39:13,952 --> 00:39:15,521
He thanked me,
1026
00:39:15,554 --> 00:39:18,457
and he asked me
never to contact him again.
1027
00:39:27,533 --> 00:39:29,167
Ian, what are you
doing here?
1028
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,003
Why don't you try
this brilliant manipulation
1029
00:39:32,037 --> 00:39:33,505
on some little legal aid
attorney, Ms. Novak,
1030
00:39:33,539 --> 00:39:34,506
and stop wasting my time.
1031
00:39:34,540 --> 00:39:35,507
Let's go.
1032
00:39:35,541 --> 00:39:36,775
A one-time offer,
gone as soon
1033
00:39:36,808 --> 00:39:39,044
as you walk out that door.
1034
00:39:39,077 --> 00:39:40,446
Murder Two, 20 to life,
1035
00:39:40,479 --> 00:39:41,913
I don't pursue
sentencing enhancement
1036
00:39:41,947 --> 00:39:42,948
under the Hate Crimes Act,
1037
00:39:42,981 --> 00:39:45,651
and Doctor Tate gets
the prison of his choice,
1038
00:39:45,684 --> 00:39:47,486
and might I suggest
the security
1039
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:49,488
of a federal prison.
1040
00:39:49,521 --> 00:39:51,089
20 years?
1041
00:39:51,122 --> 00:39:52,558
With that jury,
he's looking
1042
00:39:52,591 --> 00:39:53,725
at a man-two,
probation.
1043
00:39:53,759 --> 00:39:55,427
They haven't heard
my rebuttal witness.
1044
00:39:55,461 --> 00:39:57,596
Laura Klein.
1045
00:39:57,629 --> 00:39:59,831
Consider this
your notification.
1046
00:39:59,865 --> 00:40:02,468
You remember her,
don't you, Dr. Tate?
1047
00:40:02,501 --> 00:40:04,870
Sandy's mother.
1048
00:40:09,808 --> 00:40:12,578
You knew.
1049
00:40:12,611 --> 00:40:14,112
All this time.
1050
00:40:14,145 --> 00:40:15,447
All these years,
1051
00:40:15,481 --> 00:40:16,882
you knew.
1052
00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:18,216
Ian, it's not like that.
1053
00:40:18,249 --> 00:40:20,652
Yes, it is Dad.
1054
00:40:20,686 --> 00:40:22,988
You know how many times
I told myself,
1055
00:40:23,021 --> 00:40:24,856
"It's okay if he thinks
gays are sick.
1056
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:26,792
"Freaks, evil.
1057
00:40:26,825 --> 00:40:31,096
"Because, if he knew
about me, if he knew me,
1058
00:40:31,129 --> 00:40:32,498
"he wouldn't say it.
1059
00:40:32,531 --> 00:40:36,468
He wouldn't think it."
1060
00:40:36,502 --> 00:40:38,704
I didn't do this to hurt you.
1061
00:40:38,737 --> 00:40:39,738
But, it did
hurt me, Dad.
1062
00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:42,240
Every day.
1063
00:40:42,273 --> 00:40:45,777
And I made myself take
everything you said,
1064
00:40:45,811 --> 00:40:46,645
all that crap,
1065
00:40:46,678 --> 00:40:49,848
because I really thought
you wouldn't try
1066
00:40:49,881 --> 00:40:52,250
to hurt me on purpose.
1067
00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:55,120
I mean, who would do that to
1068
00:40:55,153 --> 00:40:56,855
somebody that they really love?
1069
00:40:56,888 --> 00:40:59,591
To their own son?
1070
00:40:59,625 --> 00:41:01,527
I can help you.
1071
00:41:02,694 --> 00:41:04,262
What makes you think
you can make me
1072
00:41:04,295 --> 00:41:06,231
any more straight than
what I've already tried
1073
00:41:06,264 --> 00:41:07,733
to do to myself?
1074
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,076
All you've done...
1075
00:41:18,109 --> 00:41:21,913
is made me wish I was dead.
1076
00:41:36,227 --> 00:41:38,129
They took the plea.
1077
00:41:39,631 --> 00:41:42,534
It's so weird, you know?
1078
00:41:42,568 --> 00:41:43,969
I've been sitting
here for a while,
1079
00:41:44,002 --> 00:41:47,906
and everybody walks by,
I wonder, does he know?
1080
00:41:47,939 --> 00:41:50,008
Does she?
1081
00:41:52,277 --> 00:41:53,679
James used to always talk
1082
00:41:53,712 --> 00:41:55,847
about how happy he was
that he was gay.
1083
00:41:55,881 --> 00:41:58,216
He said guys
are so much more fun.
1084
00:41:59,618 --> 00:42:02,588
Yeah, I agree with James.
1085
00:42:02,621 --> 00:42:04,990
Everything's different
now, you know?
1086
00:42:05,023 --> 00:42:07,759
No matter what I do,
1087
00:42:07,793 --> 00:42:10,328
nothing will be
like it was before.
1088
00:42:10,361 --> 00:42:11,797
Ian, I had
my job to do,
1089
00:42:11,830 --> 00:42:14,099
and I made you deal
with something
1090
00:42:14,132 --> 00:42:16,134
you weren't ready for.
1091
00:42:16,167 --> 00:42:17,636
I'm sorry.
1092
00:42:17,669 --> 00:42:20,606
Yeah.
1093
00:42:24,610 --> 00:42:25,777
I'm not.
1094
00:42:25,811 --> 00:42:28,346
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1096
00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:34,753
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1097
00:43:10,922 --> 00:43:13,591
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