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- Robin Samsoe was a precocious little 12-year-old girl,

as most of them are at that age, loved life.

Loved her family, loved her friends.

And on June 20th of 1979, she and her friend Bridget

came down to the city of Huntington Beach to enjoy the day.

They were approached by an individual

who started talking to them about taking their photographs.

He was in a photo contest, and there was prize money

to be won, and that he would give them some if he won.

- It's creepy.

I mean, the guy was the same age as my mother.

Approaching young girls is just not normal.

- His MO is his camera, let me take your picture.

Now the Pied Piper or the spider just pulls you into the web

and you're never gonna get out of it.

And if you do get out of it,

you're never the same person again.

- He started taking pictures, and a neighbor of Bridget's,

an adult neighbor, saw this going on and approached

to find out what was taking place.

As she approached, this photographer turned around

and walked away quickly.

He circled, he circled that area like a shark.

A sociopathic, sexual, sadistic individual

that derived pleasure from the sexual act,

as well as the physical act of torture and killing.

- Nobody can replace that person, and we were just robbed

of so many great things with her.

- Huntington Beach was very unincorporated.

It was just really nice to be, it wasn't overcrowded.

In fact, all the things that you see

up and down the coast now are all brand new.

Looking back, it was a lot of fun.

You could walk to the beach.

We only lived like a half a mile from the beach,

so you could walk to the beach.

Everybody knew everybody.

You could stay out after dark.

You could play in the streets.

And you know, it was just a great area to live in.

We used to surf and have bonfires,

and just hang out and suntan, and eat, and whatever.

We knew if we went home that my mom

was gonna put us to work so.

We found solace in the beach.

You know, this is a big part of our history.

My sister Robin loved being down at the beach.

That was her to-go place, she loved it.

Robin loved ballet.

She loved singing and dancing and gymnastics.

She was very young-minded for her age.

She was a 12-year-old that was a 12-year-old.

She was a child who got to be a child.

She had a few responsibilities at home,

but she always got babied, she was our baby.

So she didn't have to grow up.

She didn't have to be older than her years.

But she wanted to go to ballet so bad,

that my mom really wasn't able to afford it at that time,

and Robin started working at the ballet studio

to get her own lessons.

So actually that's where she was going

the day that she was abducted.

- Robin and her friend Bridget were playing on the beach

until it was time for Robin to go to her ballet class.

Well she was running late, so she asked Bridget

if she could borrow her bike.

And so Bridget let her borrow her bike,

and she left on her bike on her way to ballet class.

- Somewhere between Bridget's house

and her final destination of the ballet class,

she was abducted and was never seen again.

- Ballet school called the home and said,

well, she never showed up.

And that terrified, of course the parents,

and of course they called the police,

and the search began.

- Well originally in 1979, I was a patrol officer,

and working day shift when Robin was kidnapped.

We didn't know she was kidnapped at the time,

but the next day when they put the information

out to patrol, we learned of it then,

and we knew that there was a missing bicycle.

And so we began, most of us anyway that I can remember,

started checking the alleys,

and behind shopping centers and the trash areas,

all looking and hoping to find that bicycle.

- It just, it was horrible.

You know, every day you wondered,

is she warm enough at night?

Or you know, what could have happened?

Because that was not Robin, she just didn't do that.

She was not inconsiderate, she wasn't selfish.

She just wouldn't just not come or call,

or you know, have somebody contact us.

So I think we knew really early on

that something was seriously wrong.

They kept in constant contact.

Then a few weeks later, there was a knock at the door,

and when we seen the police, we knew.

- Robin was found 12 days later in a park area,

many miles away from where she had disappeared.

- She's not recognizable.

There's been a lot of animal damage,

and they have to ID her from her teeth.

And when they go for the death notification to her mom,

her mom says, you know, I wanna see my baby.

I wanna see my girl.

And they have to tell her

that there's really nothing to see,

there's nothing.

That's just so heartbreaking.

There's nothing to see, we identified her from her teeth.

- I just remember my mom breaking down.

- The hunt is definitely on for for Robin's killer.

I mean, it's a horrible crime.

The Huntington Beach police

are conducting an investigation,

trying to find out,

who did this, who could do this to a little girl?

- The detectives got a police sketch artist

to sit down with Robin's friend Bridget,

and get a description of the suspect.

Through her conversation with Bridget,

the sketch artist composed a uh,

drew a sketch of the suspect

as described by Bridget,

the male with the long curly hair, and the likes.

That sketch was put out to both electronic

and print media for distribution.

A parole officer out of Los Angeles County

was reading the newspaper and saw the sketch in the paper,

and thought it looked like

one of his clients, Rodney Alcala.

He called the police department in Huntington Beach

and told them his suspicions.

That's when they put the photograph in a lineup

with five similar-looking individuals,

and they went down to Bridget's house and said,

"I'd like you to look at these photographs.

The person that took your photographs at the beach that day

may or may not be in there.

Just because we're showing you these photographs

doesn't mean you have to identify anyone.

If you don't recognize anybody, don't pick somebody out."

And she looked at the photographs,

and pointed at the photograph of Rodney Alcala.

Well, the detectives don't know much about him

until they start really getting into the investigation,

and then they're finding out that he may be a suspect

in other murders, but there is no biological evidence,

fingerprints, blood, DNA, anything like that at the time

that they could make a connection to.

- Detectives work around the clock in a case like this,

but they've been up for hours.

One of the detectives goes home,

sits down on his couch for a break,

pops a beer and turns on the TV.

And it's one of those moments,

you can't make this stuff up, it's "The Dating Game".

Please welcome Rodney Alcala.

Rod, come up here.

- And it was like, no way that this is happening.

And within 24 hours, they had a search warrant

that they were serving on Alcala's home.

- When they got to his mother's house,

he was in bed with his girlfriend at the time.

And they asked him a lot of questions.

He denied everything of course.

But during that time, one of the officers noticed

that there was a storage locker receipt

sitting on the table.

Now they had a search warrant,

but only on Rodney Alcala in his possession,

they couldn't search the house.

So they weren't allowed to take that receipt with them.

- It was a receipt for a storage locker

in King County, Seattle, Washington.

One of the detective sergeants, he took his notebook

and he wrote down the information on the storage locker,

and they all left the scene after the search was complete,

and they're interviewing Alcala at the police department.

At one point during the interview,

Alcala says that he'd like to speak to his sister.

So they invite his sister into the interview room with him,

and they step outside, but he's a murder suspect,

so they're watching on a video camera.

As they're watching he said to his sister,

"At least they don't know

about the storage locker in Seattle."

To which that Detective Sergeant probably almost tore

his shirt pocket, trying to get his notebook out,

and said, "I have that information right here."

- And they're up there, I think within 12 hours.

They get a warrant for the storage locker,

and they get to Seattle before anybody else can touch it.

And the storage locker was a gold mine.

- The storage unit contained, as you might expect

for a photographer, thousands of pictures.

However, these were pictures of pornography,

pictures of hundreds of women and young boys,

nude photographs.

- There were dozens upon dozens of women

in bathing suits, women doing gymnastics,

women literally in a gymnastics competition

down at the beach.

And he would zoom in on, you know,

the buttocks area of various women,

just about as creepy as you can get.

And there was a whole slew of self-portraits also.

And grandiosity is one of the signs

of psychopathy, or the psychopath, is somebody that is,

the only person that Rodney Alcala

ever really loved was Rodney Alcala.

- Most importantly, they find this little red jewelry pouch.

And in that little red jewelry pouch is multiple earrings.

- Now we are used to the idea

of a serial killer taking trophies.

You watch "Silence of the Lambs",

and you think serial killer trophies.

But it was a very unusual thing then,

that someone would want evidence

of having committed such a horrific crime.

Any of us would want to put that out of our minds,

but here's someone who gloated over them

as if they were proof of his mastery of the moment.

- Among those earrings were two gold ball earrings

that ultimately were identified by Robin Samsoe's mother

as the earrings that she was wearing

the day she disappeared.

- And that really helps to nail him.

- All I know is that I got a call from the FBI.

So they came and they talked to all of us and they,

Michael talked to them.

And I guess the whole craziness of this

is that he used his real name.

- In retrospect, yeah I feel terrible.

- Come on, over here, ah.

- I'm glad that I was talked out of the fact

that I wasn't gonna put him on the show,

because really having put him on the show

was instrumental in having him be apprehended

at one point in his vast career.

- The original trial in 1980, he was convicted.

So it goes to the penalty phase after the guilt,

and the jury comes back with the death penalty.

Once that happens, he's transferred to San Quentin,

lives on death row.

In California a death penalty is a automatic appeal,

whether you want to appeal it or not,

it's an automatic appeal,

and they have attorneys that will handle that.

It was determined that during the penalty phase,

an incorrect fact was given.

When they talked about the kidnapping,

they talked about Robin being sexually assaulted,

and ultimately murdered.

Well, because of the condition of Robin's remains,

there was no evidence of a sexual assault.

For that reason it was overturned,

and came back for retrial in 1984.

Went through that trial, the jury again says guilty,

and the jury again says death penalty,

which of course initiates an automatic appeal.

- And it gets set aside again on appeal,

and these appeals don't happen in a month or two months.

It's a very long period of time.

- He avoids it twice, the death penalty.

It's frustrating for everyone, from the police

to the district attorney to the families.

He's still not out running around,

but he's not got the death penalty,

which he so righteously deserves.

Third time's the charm, this time they get him.

- When Alcala did his killings, the ones that we know about,

it was at a time where the forensic technology

was much simpler.

You know, you had blood types, fingerprints,

that kind of thing, you didn't have DNA.

But by the time his actual big,

final trial happened in 2010,

we had developed DNA forensic science,

that was so good by that time,

that the experts could go back to those earrings,

remember the earrings found in the storage shed?

And they could find DNA from there.

- We did DNA testing and we didn't get any DNA on them.

And that's common over time for DNA to degrade,

except for one little rose earring, and we came back

with 0.06 nanograms of Charlotte Lamb's DNA.

So Charlotte Lamb, all those years later,

essentially was in that courtroom with us,

a tiny little piece of her saying

that Rodney Alcala takes trophies,

that Rodney Alcala took these earrings,

and Rodney Alcala kept them in that little silk pouch

that was recovered in the storage locker.

- With that DNA evidence, they were able to create

a much more detailed map of his killings.

- Jill Barcom, that was found in the Hollywood Hills,

that had been sexually assaulted, strangled and posed.

Charlotte Lamb, that was found in the washroom

of an apartment building, strangled and posed.

Georgia Wixted murdered in Malibu, in Los Angeles County.

And then of course Jill Parenteau, strangled and posed.

They were all connected at that time.

- This is when they discover

that they've got a serial killer.

They only knew for a while that they had a child killer.

- Oh fuck, a serial killer?

You knew he was creepy,

but you didn't think he was that creepy.

- It was a whole different trial than the first two,

because they can really, really put the screws to him,

because they can prove that with physical evidence,

that he was there.

His DNA is on things, the victim's DNA is on things.

There's no way out of that.

- After 30 years in prison, studying law books,

reading about cases, somehow Alcala got the idea

that he would be his own best lawyer,

even though he didn't have any kind

of a formal legal education.

- The most difficult time of that trial was number one,

looking through the autopsy and crime scene photographs

with Rodney, to determine what evidence would go in,

and just have to sit with him and watch him

look at the destruction of his work,

the brutality of what he had done to these victims,

and know that he is gaining pleasure a second time

outta looking at these photos of, and probably reliving

the assaults, and whatever maniacal pleasure

he got out of assaulting those women,

was very difficult to sit through.

And then to have Rodney Alcala cross-examine

Robin Samsoe's mother, after she had lived through

two other trials and 30 years

of watching him slip through justice.

And then he, at this point gets to ask her questions,

that he gets to ask questions of Tally Shapiro,

who as an adult, who was, he raped at eight years old.

Again, unconscionable.

These just, there are no words to describe how disturbing

and uncomfortable and unfair that all felt.

During a two-hour, often rambling

closing argument Monday afternoon,

accused serial killer Rodney Alcala,

who is defending himself in the death penalty trial,

sat at the counsel table and spoke in a dull monotone.

Alcala could not make his laptop computer project

on the large courtroom screen, and he often scrambled

to find photos and other exhibits.

- I was alone in the courtroom

with Rodney Alcala right there, and the judge in his seat,

and an empty courtroom, which was creepy as heck.

It's just like, why in the world

would somebody do that to somebody?

I mean, that's just unforgivable.

- I sat behind him in the courtroom,

and it's amazing

what you think of when you're sitting there.

I mean, you know those little cartoons

with the bubble over their head?

And I had a bottle of water and I kept thinking,

what if I just whipped this at his head?

And you know, I knew you'd get in trouble,

but these little bubbles, you know,

kept like appearing, and just kept thinking these things.

And then when my mom had to testify

with him cross-examining her,

just like my heart was ripped out.

'Cause no person ever should have to

be subjected to that.

Alcala spent some of his argument

attacking the credibility of Maryanne Connolly,

12-year-old Robin, Samsoe's mother.

Alcala claimed Connolly, who he refers to as Frazier,

Connolly's previous name, made up a story

about her daughter's earrings being the same earrings

that were found in the Seattle storage locker,

rented in Alcala's name.

- No testimony from anyone other than Mrs. Frazier,

that Robin's ears were pierced.

None of her friends were aware of that.

They were unaware of her wearing earrings.

And Mrs. Frazier

had plenty of opportunity to provide you,

the jury, with a picture of Robin wearing earrings.

- He never showed any sign of remorse.

He's incapable of feeling remorse.

If he tried to express remorse, it would've been fake.

No, this is a guy who did this on purpose,

over, and over again.

There's no remorse, there's no human connection there,

because I don't think Rodney Alcala

ever actually had a soul.

- Alcala actually cross-examined himself as a witness,

and went so far as to use different voices.

He would use one voice as the defense lawyer,

and then he would use another voice as himself

answering his own questions.

- He would first assume the voice of an attorney,

and he was very stern, and he was very correct.

And then, then he would assume the personality

of Rodney Alcala, and he would answer, "No."

And he was charming and delightful.

He put on a show for five hours

that was absolutely astounding.

- For some reason, still I don't think anyone

can really quite grasp the why of it,

he plays a portion of

a song "Alice's Restaurant",

and he plays the portion where,

it's reflective of the Vietnam War.

That's when the song came out,

it was a whole different context than Rodney Alcala gave it.

But he plays a portion of it where it says, I wanna kill.

I wanna feel dead bodies, I wanna feel veins in my teeth.

You know, kill, kill, kill.

Now how that was supposed to make the jury feel,

or the judge, or anyone in the courtroom feel,

I don't know what he was going for there.

I wanna kill, I wanna, I wanna kill.

I wanna see blood and gore and guts, and veins in my teeth.

Eat dead, burnt bodies,

I mean kill, kill, kill, kill.

- That jury understood that the pain and the suffering

that were wreaked upon all of these families

and all of these people by Rodney Alcala,

and he plays them a frigging song?

I knew them, I knew they would be outraged by it,

and I knew I had him at that moment.

The families of the victims

had harsh words for the serial killer.

- Most people who are opposed to the death penalty

have never had a reason to use it.

Rodney James Alcala is a reason to use the death penalty.

- I wish he would experience the terror

He put his victims through.

He is truly a devil, he does not belong on this Earth.

- I think lethal injection is far too humane

for anyone like him.

I only wish that I could be the one

to administrate the injection.

- There's murder and rape,

and there's the unequivocal carnage

of a Rodney Alcala-style murder and rape.

- Mr. Alcala, I suspect it's a blessing

that your mother is not here today to witness this.

I feel sure she died with a broken heart.

- We were already looking at him in Manhattan at that point,

but we couldn't bring him to Manhattan

until his California case was concluded.

What we were mostly concerned with was,

what similarities can we find in the California cases

that could help bolster our case by showing

that he is the one who has this distinctive method,

and use that to help show that

that's what he did in our cases.

Cornelia Crilley was bound, she was sexually assaulted.

She had blunt force trauma to her head.

She was the victim of ligature strangulation

with her pantyhose, and she had a bite mark on her breast.

Many of the California victims had the same thing.

- When I was looking at the Ellen Hover murder,

I had gone to Tarrytown to get their files,

and talked to the prosecution office up there.

There's another woman that I've interviewed.

Rodney Alcala took her to the same exact area,

tried to sexually assault her,

and then he tried to kill her, and she escaped.

The Crilley case was unique because the big key is,

I knew Rodney Alcala was in that apartment,

because he left his fingerprints on her mail.

That puts him inside her apartment on that day.

The other big piece is that dental bite,

that I brought to a forensic dentist

who is proficient in comparisons.

And he says, if you can get a mold of his full bite mark,

I can tell you if you have, I can make a match,

or I can tell you if you have the right guy.

So I go to California and I get a court order,

and we were able to get a dental mold of Rodney Alcala.

- The dental impression was given

to a forensic dental expert, so that he could match

the impressions to the bite marks

that were left on the young lady, they were a match.

- We presented our evidence to the grand jury in 2011,

and he was indicted for the murder of Ellen Hover,

and he was indicted for the murder of Cornelia Crilley.

We then start the extradition process, which he fought.

- That old children's nursing rhyme, "Catch Me if You Can",

that's the person that he is, a narcissistic scumbag.

We went out there to go get him out of San Quentin.

When they brought him into room with us,

he had on his prison jumpsuit, and we will not take anyone

from someone else without searching him.

I go, I need you to take off that jumpsuit.

He said, "Why?"

I said, "Because you can't get in our car

dressed like that without being searched."

So when he takes off the jumpsuit,

we're all standing there

but he's kinda being guarded and he's shying from us.

And we're like, figuring it's a little bit of modesty

or whatever, but then we're like, yo, turn around.

When he turns around, we see,

it looks like he has a catheter in,

and clearly it's a catheter that wasn't done

by a doctor or a nurse.

It wasn't a medically done catheter,

because it's duct taped.

We're like, what is that?

He goes, oh, oh, the doctor prescribed this for me

because I'm in incontinent, and when I'm on long trips,

I figure 'cause you guys are flying me back to New York,

you won't let me use the bathroom on the plane.

So if I gotta go to the bathroom,

I can just go to the bathroom.

So we all kinda like, looked at each other.

Like, what are you, F-ing kidding me?

And they peeled the duct tape off.

They pulled the tube that he had stuck up him out,

and took the bag off and they threw it the garbage,

and hey gave him a paper jumpsuit

with just a pair of boxer shorts.

And that's how we walked him outta the jail.

- We got him back in 2012.

He made four court appearances only,

and on the fourth time he came to court in Manhattan,

he pleaded guilty to both counts,

and was sentenced, in January of 2013,

to 25 years to life.

- He just said yes.

He just, they asked if he committed the murders

and he said yes, and it was stunning.

After all those years of denying it, he said yes.

- I think he pled guilty to the New York cases

because he wanted to come back to California

and focus on his death sentence appeal.

And he knew that if he pled guilty there,

that they would ship him back to California,

where he was comfortable.

He was comfortable living in San Quentin.

- Doing time in New York is a lot harder

than doing time in California.

- It didn't matter to me very much where he was.

I just wanted to make sure he never set foot

as a free man again.

- We knew that he was prolific.

We knew that he had many, many victims,

but that was the first word we had

that he had actually murdered people in New York.

And then the next thought after that is,

oh my God, how many states did he go to back then?

Your next thought is horror.

You know, how many women did Rodney Alcala kill?

- The storage unit in Seattle

contained thousands of pictures.

- You're looking at these photographs

and you're wondering, are some of these people

also his victim?

- He traveled coast to coast more than once,

would stop off in between, and he drove.

You know, he had his little motorcycle in his car.

So what did he do in the five or six days,

and it probably took him more,

to get from New York to California?

- After the trial in 2010, the Orange County prosecutor

and the detectives decided to make public

those photographs of these women,

thinking that maybe somebody would say, that's my sister,

and in fact that's what happened.

Christine Thornton had disappeared in 1977,

while on a trip to Montana and in Wyoming.

She was last seen in Wyoming,

but her sister had no idea whatever happened to her.

The body had not, at least no remains

had been connected to Christine Thornton.

But because of a photograph that was released

after the 2010 trial,

they noticed, that is Christine.

And they looked, and investigators figured out,

oh, that background is Wyoming.

And then they realized that in 1982,

skeletal remains of a woman and an infant

had been found on a ranch in Wyoming.

Well, Christine had been six months pregnant

when she disappeared.

And then all of the forensic evidence came together

and connected the disappearance and the murder

of Christine Thornton to Rodney Alcala.

- To figure out that that's who we were dealing with,

or that's potentially a suspect for our case,

it was kind of overwhelming at the time.

'Cause I thought, this is my first cold case,

first homicide case so, how do you go about this?

So on top of the other interviews we conducted,

and just doing all the follow up work that we did

to find out who this guy was, and what he was capable of

or what he had been capable of,

we decided to fly to California

in September of 2016 to interview him.

- Our initial thought was that we

were gonna be going to San Quentin.

And apparently he had had a pacemaker, and so in order,

when they put the pacemaker in, his health started

to deteriorate a little bit more from my understanding,

and that's why they moved to Corcoran.

So when we went to Corcoran, it was a different type

of atmosphere than I was expecting.

I was expecting that we were gonna come in,

and we were gonna be in an interrogation room.

We're gonna be in an interview room,

where we'd be able to sit and interview him,

and I'd be behind a two-way mirror

watching Detective Sheaman interview him.

- We walked in and there he is laying on his bed.

It was a hospital bed.

It looked like a hospital room,

but it was just this old rundown room, metal doors,

peach-colored paint, that's peeling off the walls.

- There's one window.

Outside the window, the view is of pipes,

and I think maybe even been a furnace or something,

working into another building.

And he wasn't even facing the window, he was facing a wall.

And while he was in there, there was a fly that just,

it was almost like sent from Hera to torment,

a gadfly sent to torment him.

And it would just land on his face and he'd brush it away.

And it just land again on his face.

And his feet, once I walked in there

and I looked at his feet,

'cause they were sticking up from underneath the sheets.

I knew he hadn't been ambulatory.

I knew he hadn't been walking around,

because as his foot was sticking out, his big toe,

the nail on his big toe is probably

about a good half inch above the toe.

And so I'm thinking, he hasn't been moving much.

- I guess I was expecting Rodney Alcala,

all the pictures that I'd seen of him,

everything I knew about this guy.

And I walked in, when I saw him,

it actually made the interview a lot easier,

because I just walked in and I thought, this is him.

This is the guy that terrorized California all those years

back in the '60s and '70s.

My name's Detective Sheaman, my first name is Jeff.

We came from Rock Springs, Wyoming, it's a long ways.

What do you know about Wyoming?

I did not expect that he was going

to respond so readily to the photographs.

What can you tell me about that area?

It's part of my area.

- It's what?

Part of my area.

- It's part of your area?

Okay, and what do you mean by part of your area?

What I mean is that, I've been to this area.

- Okay.

At first I didn't believe him.

I thought, well it's sagebrush, that could be anywhere.

That could be Wyoming, it could be Texas, you know?

So I didn't really think, I thought maybe

he was just playing a game with us.

But then the more pictures you showed him,

you could tell that it clicked with him.

He remembered that area and he,

I think it woke him up a little bit.

- As he started looking at more pictures,

and especially after Detective Sheaman

showed him the picture of Christine,

you could really start to see

that he was going back in time.

- Okay, I'm gonna tell you three things

I know about this photo, Rod.

That's your motorcycle, that's one.

That is your car, that's two.

And this photo, you took that photo.

That is your photograph.

For several minutes, I don't know how long,

but we watched him just take his finger

and just trace Christine on the picture,

and focusing on her body.

And he never touched the motorcycle,

it just was concentrating on her body.

And he ran his finger down several times,

and then he had the picture on his lap,

and he would start tapping on the photograph.

And we were just waiting, we were waiting,

try to see if he'd provide any information.

And I was pretty eager, 'cause I could tell

just his actions, just the way

he was acting at the time, his eye movement.

I mean, he closed his eyes

and you could still see his eyes moving.

And I could tell that he was reliving that.

I think he relived that whole moment at that point.

I'm not asking if you took that picture,

'cause I know you did.

I'm asking if you remember taking that picture.

Do you remember taking that picture?

Yes.

- Okay.

Now the question is, Mr. Alcala, how did she end up dead?

I'm not sure.

- You're not sure?

When we walked out of there,

and after admitting that, that's my area,

his response with seeing the picture of her,

statements of being there,

and admitting that he took the picture,

eventually was all that we needed

to finally place him at the scene.

Combined with all the information

that we gathered on all the other murders,

all the other homicides that he committed,

that we had enough to charge first degree murder.

A large part of me wanted to extradite him.

But when it got down to it, he's on his deathbed.

Why should he get a vacation?

Why should he get a trip out to Wyoming?

He breathed our air once,

he doesn't need to breathe it again.

Let him stay in that room and let him,

with that fly and his toenails,

looking at the wall, let him die there.

- It wasn't justice because he died peacefully.

Justice would've been if somebody

was choking him as he died.

And I think to this day, I stand by that,

because he was very sanitized in a hospital,

with doctors or nurses, and he passed,

and that's not justice.

Hopefully he'll get justice in the next world,

'cause he certainly didn't get it here.

- The only one consolation I really can say that I have

throughout all of this is

that my mom passed away on July 24th.

My mom's birthday was on July 25th,

and he died in between those two days.

And I feel that my mother's probably dancing around,

in heaven, doing cartwheels.

- Though when I found out that he died, I cried.

I couldn't stop crying, I was like, why am I not happy?

I just could not stop crying.

I just cried for all the evil he brought into the world.

I cried for Tali's lost childhood,

cried for the mess of my own life,

but mostly I cried for all those women

that'll never be found somewhere,

their parents that still wait for them,

and it's just a horrible thing.

And every time I thought about it,

all I could do was cry, because he died with that secret.

To me you know,

you could take that dark thought of,

each one of these photographs represents a possible victim

and how many more are out there?

Christine's photo stands out out of all of those.

Here's this beautiful girl in a bright yellow shirt

with this pretty smile, looking like she's having

the best day, and that stood out to me.

And then you look at all these other pictures

and they're just a bunch of other Christines out there.

I just wonder to this day, how many of those photographs

represent somebody who's not around anymore?

- It's still coming out of other girls,

women have called my office, at the time, my office,

to say, how did you get that photo of me?

The man that took that photo molested me.

- I did find two murders in New York

That I believe Rodney Alcala did.

The witnesses describe Alcala to a T, it's him.

She's found with the same type of Garrett knot

and she's strangled with her own hoisery.

It's definitely him.

- There was certainly a second batch of photos

that were never recovered.

Maybe they're in the wall someplace in his mother's house,

were buried in a can someplace.

I can't believe that Rodney Alcala

ever actually threw them away.

But in that group of photos,

there will be photographs of Georgia Wixted, Charlotte Lamb,

Jill Parenteau and probably 50 other people

that he murdered and took pictures of.

You know, if there's a hell, I know where Rodney Alcala is.