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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,436 --> 00:00:16,105 We're gonna go live now to John Woodward 2 00:00:16,188 --> 00:00:18,357 in Washington D.C., where he's standing by 3 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,527 to bring us the latest, as the Supreme Court convenes 4 00:00:21,610 --> 00:00:23,529 for this historic emergency session. 5 00:00:23,612 --> 00:00:26,532 Today, less than one year ago, the Supreme Court shocked 6 00:00:26,615 --> 00:00:29,368 this nation by overturning Roe versus Wade. 7 00:00:29,618 --> 00:00:31,453 landmark 1973 decision, 8 00:00:31,620 --> 00:00:33,914 which permitted abortion on demand. 9 00:00:34,373 --> 00:00:36,250 The reversal allowed each of the fifty states 10 00:00:36,333 --> 00:00:38,502 to create its own laws concerning the legality 11 00:00:38,586 --> 00:00:41,172 of abortion. Today, thousands of protesters 12 00:00:41,255 --> 00:00:43,257 are in the streets across the country 13 00:00:43,340 --> 00:00:44,967 as this crisis comes to a head. 14 00:00:45,426 --> 00:00:47,178 Tomorrow morning, the Supreme Court will hear 15 00:00:47,261 --> 00:00:50,181 oral arguments in the case of Ginny Mapes versus Alabama, 16 00:00:50,598 --> 00:00:52,558 where for the first time, a woman has been convicted 17 00:00:52,641 --> 00:00:55,978 of First-Degree Murder for having an abortion. 18 00:00:56,687 --> 00:00:58,439 The justices have been called back 19 00:00:58,522 --> 00:00:59,773 from far flung vacations 20 00:00:59,857 --> 00:01:02,026 for this historic emergency session. 21 00:01:02,693 --> 00:01:04,653 It is a seemingly impossible battle 22 00:01:04,737 --> 00:01:05,988 for pro-choice advocates, 23 00:01:06,113 --> 00:01:08,073 since only three justices voted last year 24 00:01:08,157 --> 00:01:10,409 to defend abortion rights. And one of them, 25 00:01:10,492 --> 00:01:13,746 the ailing Harlan Greene, has now retired from the Court 26 00:01:13,829 --> 00:01:17,291 and will be replaced by newly appointed Supreme Court Justice, 27 00:01:17,374 --> 00:01:19,168 Joseph Kirkland. 28 00:01:48,572 --> 00:01:50,991 -Nice acoustics in this place. -Hmm. 29 00:01:51,659 --> 00:01:53,077 We're getting every note. 30 00:01:56,789 --> 00:01:57,748 Sorry. 31 00:01:57,957 --> 00:02:00,584 -You are playing the piano. -And I like playing. 32 00:02:00,834 --> 00:02:03,921 -At 3:21 a.m.? -And that's when I likes it. 33 00:02:12,805 --> 00:02:15,391 -You'll be fine. 34 00:02:44,837 --> 00:02:46,255 -So? -Help. 35 00:02:46,338 --> 00:02:48,465 First day jitters. 36 00:02:50,551 --> 00:02:52,469 Oh, it's just like any other job. 37 00:02:54,138 --> 00:02:56,890 They lucked out, getting you. 38 00:03:03,605 --> 00:03:05,149 You'll know when. 39 00:03:11,322 --> 00:03:12,448 -Thanks. -Yeah. 40 00:03:43,270 --> 00:03:46,148 -Oh. Hi, hi. -Oh, hi. 41 00:03:46,398 --> 00:03:47,941 That's-- I got it, thanks. 42 00:03:48,275 --> 00:03:50,527 I'm-- I'm Callie McPherson, your law clerk. 43 00:03:50,611 --> 00:03:51,862 Right. Joseph Kirkland. 44 00:03:52,112 --> 00:03:54,907 It is such an honor to meet you. Really. 45 00:03:54,990 --> 00:03:56,325 -This is such-- -Please, hold your applause 46 00:03:56,408 --> 00:03:57,743 I'm a beginner myself. 47 00:03:58,369 --> 00:04:01,705 -You just fly in? -Yes, I rented a house 48 00:04:01,789 --> 00:04:04,249 I've never seen before, rented cars. 49 00:04:04,917 --> 00:04:07,211 Half of our stuff is not even here yet. 50 00:04:07,628 --> 00:04:10,047 So, tell me about the others. 51 00:04:10,798 --> 00:04:12,925 -Anymore clerks? -There are no others. 52 00:04:13,509 --> 00:04:15,344 There wasn't time. We'll pick later. 53 00:04:16,136 --> 00:04:17,054 How much later? 54 00:04:17,304 --> 00:04:19,431 Well, this first one is just you and me, kid. 55 00:04:22,101 --> 00:04:25,354 -I'm glad you're not scared. 56 00:04:26,146 --> 00:04:28,607 We'll get by. We'll lean on each other. 57 00:04:31,652 --> 00:04:32,986 That's you. 58 00:04:51,630 --> 00:04:53,257 I thought it was right there... 59 00:04:54,133 --> 00:04:55,342 -Hi. -Hello, Joseph, 60 00:04:55,426 --> 00:04:56,844 -it's very good to see you. -Likewise. 61 00:04:56,927 --> 00:04:58,303 -I'm Eli MacCorckle. -Yes, of course. 62 00:04:58,387 --> 00:05:00,222 And this is Benjamin Ripley. Say hello to Rip. 63 00:05:00,305 --> 00:05:02,099 -Hello, Benjamin. -Hello, Joseph. 64 00:05:02,307 --> 00:05:04,309 -Welcome to the club. -Thank you very much. 65 00:05:04,643 --> 00:05:05,602 Dan Morrisey. 66 00:05:06,061 --> 00:05:07,604 Well, I'm honored to meet you, sir. 67 00:05:07,813 --> 00:05:09,273 -Welcome, Joseph. -Thank you very much. 68 00:05:09,356 --> 00:05:11,567 -Sara. Sara Brandwynne. -Yes, of course. 69 00:05:11,650 --> 00:05:12,985 We're all so happy to welcome you. 70 00:05:13,068 --> 00:05:14,653 Well, I'm happy to be here, Sara. 71 00:05:14,736 --> 00:05:16,905 And this is Henry Banks. Henry, say hello to Joseph. 72 00:05:16,989 --> 00:05:18,407 Oh, hello, Henry. 73 00:05:20,033 --> 00:05:20,951 Joseph. 74 00:05:21,034 --> 00:05:22,453 Now, now, I think you should apologize 75 00:05:22,536 --> 00:05:24,037 to this man for screwing up his holiday. 76 00:05:24,121 --> 00:05:26,457 -No, that's not true. -Thanks for falling by, Joseph. 77 00:05:26,790 --> 00:05:28,500 -We're counting on you. -I'll try my best. 78 00:05:28,792 --> 00:05:30,752 -You play poker, Joseph? -Yes. 79 00:05:30,836 --> 00:05:33,464 Well, that's good. Because some of us play at Rip's, 80 00:05:33,547 --> 00:05:34,965 and we even let Henry sit in sometimes, 81 00:05:35,048 --> 00:05:36,341 seeing as the ACLU makes us. 82 00:05:36,425 --> 00:05:38,177 -Thanks. 83 00:05:38,260 --> 00:05:39,428 Hello, Joseph. 84 00:05:40,554 --> 00:05:41,597 I'm Will Dunn. 85 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,223 -Of course. -Glad to have you with us. 86 00:05:43,307 --> 00:05:46,477 -Thank you. I'm glad to be here. -And this is Clore Cawley. 87 00:05:47,186 --> 00:05:49,897 He's our teacher, and the guardian of our souls. 88 00:05:49,980 --> 00:05:52,065 -I'm privileged. -Makes him the only one 89 00:05:52,149 --> 00:05:54,443 of us fascists that Will can tolerate. 90 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,072 Don't listen to The Cork, young man. 91 00:05:59,781 --> 00:06:00,866 Only The Cork does that. 92 00:06:00,949 --> 00:06:02,993 -Of course, he's tickled. 93 00:06:03,076 --> 00:06:04,953 He doesn't have to lock horns with Harlan anymore. 94 00:06:05,037 --> 00:06:07,748 Well, you know, I never voted against Harlan, 95 00:06:07,831 --> 00:06:09,458 and Clore could never vote with him, 96 00:06:09,833 --> 00:06:11,877 yet I couldn't tell you which of us loves him the most. 97 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,255 -A giant, giant man. -Yeah. 98 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,468 You think about Harlan Greene, he had fresh eyes, Joseph. 99 00:06:19,801 --> 00:06:20,719 He still does. 100 00:06:20,928 --> 00:06:22,513 That's the seat he left vacant, 101 00:06:22,596 --> 00:06:25,641 the fresh eyes seat. Get the feel of it, man. 102 00:06:25,849 --> 00:06:28,018 -We need it filled. -Excuse me, Henry, 103 00:06:28,101 --> 00:06:30,062 why don't we just save Joseph the trouble, 104 00:06:30,145 --> 00:06:33,190 -and give you his vote. -While you're at it, Chief, 105 00:06:33,398 --> 00:06:35,484 -you can give me yours. -Uh-oh. 106 00:06:35,567 --> 00:06:37,236 Careful, Chief, you may give Joseph 107 00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:38,904 -the right impression. 108 00:06:38,987 --> 00:06:43,659 Not just yet. Will and I, we-- we have a surprise for you. 109 00:06:43,742 --> 00:06:45,410 -Will? -Oh, yes. 110 00:06:46,828 --> 00:06:49,498 We didn't have time to get you your own robe. 111 00:06:50,457 --> 00:06:52,918 So, I called Harlan at the hospital. 112 00:06:59,216 --> 00:07:01,969 Well, I can see the gesture doesn't go unnoticed. 113 00:07:03,095 --> 00:07:05,889 -Come on, kid. -Gimmie your jacket. 114 00:07:06,181 --> 00:07:07,224 Thank you. 115 00:07:07,558 --> 00:07:09,518 Try a man's robe on for size. 116 00:07:10,644 --> 00:07:14,189 This one's bulletproof. It'll get you through. 117 00:07:22,072 --> 00:07:23,532 Thank you. 118 00:07:25,242 --> 00:07:28,787 Wear this robe, you don't need look to any man. 119 00:07:31,832 --> 00:07:34,376 Harlan says that "this buys him the vote." 120 00:07:34,918 --> 00:07:37,212 Any vote, except this one. 121 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:41,592 There's a lot of pixie dust in this robe, Joseph. 122 00:07:42,217 --> 00:07:43,719 Keep your pores open. 123 00:07:51,852 --> 00:07:53,478 -Joseph? -Oh, sorry. 124 00:07:53,687 --> 00:07:55,689 I pledged this fraternity for five years. 125 00:07:55,772 --> 00:07:57,649 -It's your turn now. -Right. Okay. 126 00:07:57,733 --> 00:08:00,777 She means the door is closed. 127 00:08:00,861 --> 00:08:04,281 -Oh, sorry. 128 00:08:08,660 --> 00:08:09,953 I'll get it down. 129 00:08:10,037 --> 00:08:12,456 Yes, you can pick up my dry cleaning later, Joseph. 130 00:08:12,539 --> 00:08:13,582 Right. 131 00:08:14,082 --> 00:08:15,792 -Good luck. -Thanks. 132 00:08:29,931 --> 00:08:31,600 I'm right to your left. 133 00:08:32,601 --> 00:08:36,605 Stage left. No political obligations. 134 00:08:47,366 --> 00:08:49,034 The Honorable, the Chief Justice, 135 00:08:49,117 --> 00:08:51,411 and the Associate Justices of the Supreme Court 136 00:08:51,495 --> 00:08:53,121 of the United States. 137 00:08:56,833 --> 00:08:58,960 Oyez, oyez, oyez. 138 00:08:59,044 --> 00:09:01,380 All persons having business before the honorable, 139 00:09:01,463 --> 00:09:03,382 the Supreme Court of the United States, 140 00:09:03,465 --> 00:09:05,759 are admonished to draw near and give their attention 141 00:09:05,842 --> 00:09:09,554 for the Court is now sitting. God save the United States 142 00:09:09,638 --> 00:09:11,181 and this honorable Court. 143 00:09:38,917 --> 00:09:40,544 An extraordinary day. 144 00:09:41,086 --> 00:09:43,213 This Court convenes in special session 145 00:09:43,296 --> 00:09:45,674 only under the rarest of circumstances, 146 00:09:45,966 --> 00:09:49,177 and we have deemed a case urgent enough to bypass 147 00:09:49,261 --> 00:09:51,972 the normal appeals process, and be taken on immediately 148 00:09:52,055 --> 00:09:53,724 by the nation's highest court. 149 00:09:54,349 --> 00:09:56,560 In the case here before us, two critical issues 150 00:09:56,643 --> 00:09:59,730 are the right of individual choice, 151 00:09:59,938 --> 00:10:01,606 and the protection of human life. 152 00:10:02,149 --> 00:10:03,984 We ask each of our fellow citizens 153 00:10:04,067 --> 00:10:06,528 to consider both of these principles. 154 00:10:06,945 --> 00:10:09,406 Should you take to the streets to show your support 155 00:10:09,489 --> 00:10:11,700 of either side, violence 156 00:10:12,367 --> 00:10:14,161 will not be tolerated. 157 00:10:14,661 --> 00:10:17,748 This morning, oral argument in the appeal 158 00:10:17,831 --> 00:10:20,876 of Miss Mapes against the State of Alabama. 159 00:10:21,334 --> 00:10:24,713 -Ready for repentant? -Ready, Mister Chief Justice. 160 00:10:27,340 --> 00:10:30,218 Before we begin, I would like to make 161 00:10:30,302 --> 00:10:33,013 a special request for absolute quiet 162 00:10:33,472 --> 00:10:36,850 in the courtroom audience. Members of this court 163 00:10:36,933 --> 00:10:40,312 wish that those involved are able to state their case, 164 00:10:40,395 --> 00:10:43,940 their arguments, with maximum clarity 165 00:10:44,024 --> 00:10:45,901 to our maximum comprehension. 166 00:11:06,630 --> 00:11:07,798 Conference buzzer. 167 00:11:08,757 --> 00:11:10,425 So subtle I hardly noticed. 168 00:11:10,842 --> 00:11:13,804 Take it easy on this one, Boss. There's no sweat. 169 00:11:14,387 --> 00:11:16,556 This court was six-three to overturn Roe v. Wade. 170 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,601 Now with Greene gone, there's just Dunn and Banks 171 00:11:19,684 --> 00:11:22,437 -to stand up for pro-choice. -And then there's you. 172 00:11:23,605 --> 00:11:25,941 -How do you figure that? -Tone of voice. 173 00:11:26,191 --> 00:11:28,235 I'm just saying it's six to two against Mapes, 174 00:11:28,318 --> 00:11:30,278 so you don't matter either way. 175 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:34,491 I just mean it takes the pressure off your vote... 176 00:11:38,078 --> 00:11:40,622 which is... 177 00:11:41,414 --> 00:11:42,582 Irrelevant, so I'm told. 178 00:11:46,127 --> 00:11:49,214 We welcome Joseph to his first conference. 179 00:11:49,297 --> 00:11:50,799 -Thank you. -Tell me, Joseph, 180 00:11:50,882 --> 00:11:52,717 how did you find the quality of the lawyering out there? 181 00:11:52,801 --> 00:11:54,052 Hmm, disappointing. 182 00:11:54,511 --> 00:11:57,347 It's good to have a trial lawyer at the table. 183 00:11:57,639 --> 00:12:00,225 For the record, I couldn't agree more. 184 00:12:00,725 --> 00:12:02,853 You, uh, you know how conference goes? 185 00:12:02,936 --> 00:12:05,188 -Yes, I've read books. -I lay it out, 186 00:12:05,272 --> 00:12:07,816 short and sweet. We speak in order. 187 00:12:08,316 --> 00:12:09,734 Hardest arteries first. 188 00:12:10,277 --> 00:12:12,362 A tentative vote, very tentative. 189 00:12:12,445 --> 00:12:14,906 Start getting a sense of where the majority lies, 190 00:12:14,990 --> 00:12:16,825 only this time... 191 00:12:18,368 --> 00:12:20,203 the majority's not enough, Will. 192 00:12:21,288 --> 00:12:22,622 Nine in a line. 193 00:12:23,373 --> 00:12:26,376 Why, Bobby, does that mean you've come around? 194 00:12:26,459 --> 00:12:27,711 Oh. 195 00:12:28,336 --> 00:12:30,714 Why don't you tell our young friend here why 196 00:12:31,214 --> 00:12:33,049 a simple win isn't good enough for you? 197 00:12:33,425 --> 00:12:36,011 -Why you're out for blood. -Less than a year ago, 198 00:12:36,094 --> 00:12:39,222 I got six votes to overturn Roe v. Wade. 199 00:12:39,723 --> 00:12:43,518 But my so-called majority couldn't agree on a set 200 00:12:43,602 --> 00:12:47,022 of uniformed guidelines to implement the decision. 201 00:12:47,981 --> 00:12:50,108 Three of us, on one opinion. 202 00:12:50,525 --> 00:12:54,195 But Sara and the court wanting lenient sentencing. 203 00:12:54,446 --> 00:12:57,532 And Ripley issues his own unwavering opinion 204 00:12:57,616 --> 00:13:00,160 that we're all going to hell in a hand basket anyway. 205 00:13:01,661 --> 00:13:04,956 No more than three on any one opinion. 206 00:13:05,290 --> 00:13:08,293 Including the dissent. Now three out of nine 207 00:13:08,501 --> 00:13:11,338 is not a majority, no matter how much you-- 208 00:13:11,796 --> 00:13:14,090 you try to convince yourself that it is. 209 00:13:14,841 --> 00:13:17,510 So, I had to leave the rule making for the States 210 00:13:17,594 --> 00:13:19,930 to sort out, and what do we get, Will? 211 00:13:20,013 --> 00:13:23,975 Fifty States, hundreds of laws all over the place. 212 00:13:24,225 --> 00:13:26,019 Women running from one state to another, 213 00:13:26,102 --> 00:13:28,480 trying to find the set-up they like. 214 00:13:28,563 --> 00:13:31,524 New statutes every week, and nobody knows which ones 215 00:13:31,608 --> 00:13:32,734 are constitutional. 216 00:13:32,817 --> 00:13:34,527 That's why they're on the streets, Will. 217 00:13:34,611 --> 00:13:37,030 We let 'em down. Now what we need 218 00:13:37,489 --> 00:13:41,159 is a strong majority on a unified opinion. 219 00:13:41,242 --> 00:13:44,037 We have to let them know that our nine minds here 220 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,374 are of one mind when it comes to the topic 221 00:13:47,457 --> 00:13:50,418 of abortion on demand. We have to send a message that, 222 00:13:50,877 --> 00:13:56,549 that our decision will stand, until at least five of us 223 00:13:56,716 --> 00:13:58,176 retire from the court. 224 00:13:58,510 --> 00:14:00,762 What we have here is an Alabama law 225 00:14:01,179 --> 00:14:03,807 that says, "Abortion is murder one." 226 00:14:04,349 --> 00:14:06,518 That could mean that women, their doctors, 227 00:14:07,060 --> 00:14:10,230 anyone who is an accessory before or after the fact 228 00:14:10,397 --> 00:14:12,816 could be executed. That's how mad we've become. 229 00:14:12,899 --> 00:14:16,027 Why is it mad, Will, to punish murder? 230 00:14:16,987 --> 00:14:19,739 Alabama's constitution now states that life begins 231 00:14:19,823 --> 00:14:21,950 at conception. It follows if you kill a fetus 232 00:14:22,033 --> 00:14:24,452 you're murdering a human. And since abortion 233 00:14:24,536 --> 00:14:27,914 is premeditated, the murder is First Degree. 234 00:14:28,081 --> 00:14:29,416 One day after birth, one day before, 235 00:14:29,499 --> 00:14:31,668 six months after birth, or six months before, 236 00:14:31,751 --> 00:14:33,503 it is still murder. 237 00:14:33,712 --> 00:14:36,381 Well, that's Alabama's constitution, Rip. 238 00:14:36,464 --> 00:14:39,259 And if I remember, they lost some war way back. 239 00:14:39,592 --> 00:14:41,011 Makes them listen to our constitution. 240 00:14:41,094 --> 00:14:42,971 Well, our constitution makes no provision 241 00:14:43,054 --> 00:14:47,058 which magically guarantees women the right to take the life 242 00:14:47,142 --> 00:14:49,144 that they created. So said this court 243 00:14:49,227 --> 00:14:51,396 ten months ago when we overturned Roe v. Wade. 244 00:14:51,479 --> 00:14:53,356 Until this court says otherwise. 245 00:14:53,648 --> 00:14:55,525 But the Fourteenth Amendment expressly forbids 246 00:14:55,608 --> 00:14:58,486 taking human life without due process of law. 247 00:14:58,737 --> 00:15:00,697 This little โ€˜Bama statute violates more provisions 248 00:15:00,780 --> 00:15:04,284 of our constitution than you got old Regan buttons, Rip. 249 00:15:04,367 --> 00:15:06,202 It's vague. It's arbitrary. 250 00:15:06,661 --> 00:15:09,330 It makes no exception for abortions because of rape, 251 00:15:09,414 --> 00:15:11,416 incest, deformed fetus, 252 00:15:11,666 --> 00:15:13,209 or even to save the life of the mother. 253 00:15:13,585 --> 00:15:15,170 Abortion is dead, Will. 254 00:15:15,670 --> 00:15:19,424 And this country needs some fair rules to bury it by. 255 00:15:20,592 --> 00:15:22,927 Now, we have to affirm Mapes' conviction. 256 00:15:23,678 --> 00:15:25,764 If we set her free, they'll think that Roe is back. 257 00:15:25,847 --> 00:15:29,934 Whatever we say, and without Harlan on this court, you know, 258 00:15:30,226 --> 00:15:34,230 you and Henry can't count higher than two. 259 00:15:40,528 --> 00:15:42,030 You got no way to win. 260 00:15:44,324 --> 00:15:47,243 -Did I miss a vote here? -No, damn it, just the point. 261 00:15:47,327 --> 00:15:49,079 What is the point, Bobby? 262 00:15:49,621 --> 00:15:51,706 Are you trying to cut a deal right here in conference? 263 00:15:51,790 --> 00:15:54,292 Could you hear Ollie Holmes right now just whirling around 264 00:15:54,375 --> 00:15:56,711 -in his grave? -Vote with us... 265 00:15:57,545 --> 00:16:00,256 and we'll draft a clear ruling that requires 266 00:16:00,340 --> 00:16:01,591 reasonable sentencing. 267 00:16:02,050 --> 00:16:05,512 No witch hunts. No unreasonable prison term. 268 00:16:05,678 --> 00:16:08,181 What's a reasonable prison term, Bobby? 269 00:16:08,306 --> 00:16:09,390 For a frightened woman 270 00:16:09,474 --> 00:16:10,850 who doesn't want to bear a child? 271 00:16:11,184 --> 00:16:13,394 As long as it takes to execute the law, 272 00:16:13,603 --> 00:16:14,854 with mercy and compassion. 273 00:16:14,938 --> 00:16:16,523 It's a law to protect unborn babies, 274 00:16:16,606 --> 00:16:19,400 and a ten-dollar fine isn't gonna cut it, Will. 275 00:16:19,609 --> 00:16:22,362 Come on, Rip, what's gonna cut it? 276 00:16:22,612 --> 00:16:23,988 One year? Two? 277 00:16:24,197 --> 00:16:26,449 A sliding scale the older the fetus. What? 278 00:16:26,533 --> 00:16:29,327 Sit with The Cork, Willie. Hammer it out with him. 279 00:16:29,410 --> 00:16:31,788 I'll go with his recommendation, I promise. 280 00:16:32,122 --> 00:16:35,500 Be part of the process. That's no deal. 281 00:16:35,583 --> 00:16:38,503 That's right, Bobby. It's no deal. 282 00:16:40,088 --> 00:16:42,298 -I would vote to affirm. -Reverse. 283 00:16:42,382 --> 00:16:43,883 Clore? 284 00:16:46,886 --> 00:16:49,514 Clore passes. We'll come back. Dan? 285 00:16:49,722 --> 00:16:54,018 I think I would vote to affirm to convict. 286 00:16:54,727 --> 00:16:56,688 I appreciate the pain of these women, 287 00:16:56,771 --> 00:16:59,941 but life is sacred. 288 00:17:00,567 --> 00:17:03,778 And you can't bargain with it. I'm sorry, Willie. 289 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,573 I'm sorry. That's all. 290 00:17:07,365 --> 00:17:09,659 I would vote to affirm in council leniency, 291 00:17:09,742 --> 00:17:11,286 but there is some right to privacy implied 292 00:17:11,369 --> 00:17:13,788 in the Fourteenth Amendment. And I think there is, 293 00:17:13,872 --> 00:17:16,499 it does not constitutionally guarantee a woman 294 00:17:16,583 --> 00:17:17,959 the right to abortion on demand. 295 00:17:18,042 --> 00:17:21,504 Alabama may choose, as it has, to defend the right of the fetus 296 00:17:21,588 --> 00:17:23,381 if due process is observed. 297 00:17:24,340 --> 00:17:27,802 I just-- I can't see felony here, Rip. 298 00:17:28,261 --> 00:17:30,555 It's too open ended. These women are desperate, 299 00:17:30,638 --> 00:17:34,350 and innocent at heart. I think we suggest misdemeanor. 300 00:17:34,642 --> 00:17:38,104 A fine, short jail, 30, 60 days, community service. 301 00:17:38,188 --> 00:17:41,524 -Well, how about a spanking? -Only if it's reciprocal. 302 00:17:41,774 --> 00:17:44,068 The judge should get something out of this. 303 00:17:46,029 --> 00:17:49,699 Henry, what'll it take? I need eight votes, Hank. 304 00:17:49,949 --> 00:17:51,868 Why don't we write the opinion together? 305 00:17:52,076 --> 00:17:54,078 You, me, The Cork. 306 00:17:54,537 --> 00:17:57,290 Send in a-- a balanced draft. 307 00:17:57,498 --> 00:18:00,543 Not this time, Chief. The lady is innocent 308 00:18:00,627 --> 00:18:03,838 of any crime and I don't intend to sell her out. 309 00:18:04,505 --> 00:18:05,840 Reverse. 310 00:18:06,633 --> 00:18:09,093 Rip? Repent and reverse. 311 00:18:11,429 --> 00:18:12,972 God, the suspense. 312 00:18:15,308 --> 00:18:18,436 Affirm, of course. But I can't go along 313 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:19,687 with The Cork's opinion. 314 00:18:19,896 --> 00:18:21,314 I'll have to concur separately. 315 00:18:21,397 --> 00:18:24,984 Sleep on it, Rip. I need one set of rules. 316 00:18:25,068 --> 00:18:26,569 I believe the fetus to be a person 317 00:18:26,653 --> 00:18:28,863 under the Fourteenth Amendment, which means it's life 318 00:18:28,947 --> 00:18:32,033 is constitutionally guaranteed, and no law permitting abortion 319 00:18:32,116 --> 00:18:33,493 could ever be valid. 320 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,995 Dan Morrisey and I are talking. 321 00:18:37,330 --> 00:18:38,373 He may join me. 322 00:18:38,623 --> 00:18:41,793 I don't think The Cork's misdemeanor approach 323 00:18:41,876 --> 00:18:44,545 -will get the job done. -There was an abortion 324 00:18:44,629 --> 00:18:48,800 performed every 20 seconds in this country. 325 00:18:49,842 --> 00:18:52,679 That's a lot of minds to change, Bobby. 326 00:18:54,889 --> 00:18:58,935 Clore, if, uh, if we let you write the opinion, 327 00:18:59,394 --> 00:19:01,437 would you do that and bring us all together? 328 00:19:01,521 --> 00:19:02,939 I haven't voted yet. 329 00:19:05,483 --> 00:19:06,943 Reverse. 330 00:19:07,944 --> 00:19:09,821 He's easy on abortion, Bobby. 331 00:19:10,488 --> 00:19:11,906 He's not with you on the statute. 332 00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:14,534 Alabama wants to make a state law that says, "abortion 333 00:19:14,617 --> 00:19:16,619 is murder one," you're gonna have to write a law 334 00:19:16,703 --> 00:19:18,204 that's a little fairer than this one. 335 00:19:18,288 --> 00:19:23,459 It's a bad statute, I admit, but three votes to reverse 336 00:19:23,668 --> 00:19:25,253 sends a dangerous message. 337 00:19:28,089 --> 00:19:29,299 Sara? 338 00:19:30,633 --> 00:19:34,554 How 'bout we try it together? Write it down the middle? 339 00:19:35,179 --> 00:19:36,389 I'm not eligible. 340 00:19:36,973 --> 00:19:41,269 I'm not in the majority. I would vote to reverse. 341 00:19:44,689 --> 00:19:45,982 I had an abortion... 342 00:19:48,318 --> 00:19:49,694 sixteen years ago... 343 00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:53,990 with the knowledge and consent of my husband. 344 00:19:55,742 --> 00:19:58,286 Abortion is wrong. Mine was wrong. 345 00:19:59,829 --> 00:20:02,540 But I can't put these women in prison. 346 00:20:03,541 --> 00:20:04,751 That's wrong, too. 347 00:20:04,834 --> 00:20:07,378 You voted against abortion on demand-- 348 00:20:07,462 --> 00:20:10,214 This is the first time the mother is a criminal. 349 00:20:10,673 --> 00:20:13,134 I always knew I'd get off here. 350 00:20:15,428 --> 00:20:17,597 You just never quite asked. 351 00:20:20,058 --> 00:20:22,477 Well Joseph, you still here? 352 00:20:24,729 --> 00:20:26,147 Jump right in. 353 00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:31,194 All of a sudden, it's four-four. 354 00:20:33,696 --> 00:20:35,198 Keep your pores open. 355 00:20:37,033 --> 00:20:39,952 Joseph, how would you vote? 356 00:20:44,665 --> 00:20:45,833 I don't know yet. 357 00:20:46,542 --> 00:20:50,338 It's a tentative vote. How are you leaning? 358 00:20:55,885 --> 00:21:00,223 I asked you a damn question. How are you leaning? 359 00:21:01,516 --> 00:21:02,934 Towards doing what's right. 360 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:05,561 When I figure that out, I'll let you know. 361 00:21:22,328 --> 00:21:23,621 Here 40 years, 362 00:21:23,704 --> 00:21:25,498 you'll never see another conference like that. 363 00:21:25,581 --> 00:21:28,334 Conferences are scholarly, respectful. 364 00:21:28,418 --> 00:21:32,839 Any horse trading goes on happens later, quietly. 365 00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:35,466 It's Friday. 366 00:21:35,925 --> 00:21:38,761 This weekend there's gonna be a half-million demonstrators 367 00:21:38,845 --> 00:21:41,097 all over this town, and a few million more 368 00:21:41,180 --> 00:21:43,141 in a hundred other cities, so thi-- 369 00:21:43,641 --> 00:21:45,643 this is no time to choke up. 370 00:21:47,228 --> 00:21:48,980 We can't wait till Monday. 371 00:21:50,481 --> 00:21:52,650 -Hmm. -Still want nine votes? 372 00:21:52,900 --> 00:21:54,235 Sure. 373 00:21:56,446 --> 00:21:57,989 Let's start with yours. 374 00:22:04,620 --> 00:22:07,457 You know there's a song. Uh, maybe it's a poem. 375 00:22:08,249 --> 00:22:11,419 -"Joseph, We Hardly Knew Ya." -What was there to know? 376 00:22:11,502 --> 00:22:13,171 I've never been a judge at any level. 377 00:22:13,463 --> 00:22:15,798 Brandeis wasn't a judge. He did all right. 378 00:22:15,882 --> 00:22:19,385 I mean, what created expectations about my vote? 379 00:22:19,677 --> 00:22:21,929 Moderate republican. 380 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,974 Made a good living litigating for corporations. 381 00:22:25,057 --> 00:22:28,060 -That makes me pro-life? -You defended Arthur Jacklin. 382 00:22:28,144 --> 00:22:31,022 He was my client, not my guru. I mentioned that 383 00:22:31,105 --> 00:22:33,566 about a hundred times during my confirmation hearings. 384 00:22:33,816 --> 00:22:35,985 Arthur is pro-life but he's committed to non-violence, 385 00:22:36,068 --> 00:22:38,112 and I admire that. Now he gets busted, 386 00:22:38,196 --> 00:22:40,031 and the liberals, they sit on their hands 387 00:22:40,114 --> 00:22:43,075 -because he's not pro-choice. -So. you just jumped in, 388 00:22:43,534 --> 00:22:46,037 dropped all your insurance companies, hospitals-- 389 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,122 He is the Martin Luther King of his movement. 390 00:22:48,206 --> 00:22:49,790 I thought that was worth a defense. 391 00:22:49,874 --> 00:22:52,543 You defended a man, not a cause. 392 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,379 And you told the Senate, in no uncertain terms, 393 00:22:55,630 --> 00:22:58,049 that you had no prejudgment on abortion. 394 00:22:58,132 --> 00:23:03,638 So, why should I have any expectations about your vote? 395 00:23:03,721 --> 00:23:04,805 Why, indeed. 396 00:23:05,014 --> 00:23:07,642 Of course, the media says that the Jacklin case 397 00:23:07,725 --> 00:23:09,477 was the only thing got you nominated. 398 00:23:10,102 --> 00:23:13,105 Says the media. They're pretty dumb. 399 00:23:13,898 --> 00:23:17,360 Just a trail lawyer, albeit a rich one. 400 00:23:17,985 --> 00:23:19,278 No judicial experience, 401 00:23:19,362 --> 00:23:22,073 catapulted to the High Court because the President needed 402 00:23:22,156 --> 00:23:24,075 a clean, charismatic, 403 00:23:24,158 --> 00:23:27,745 and reliable vote against abortion. 404 00:23:27,954 --> 00:23:29,038 Which the media says, 405 00:23:29,121 --> 00:23:31,207 "is the President's top priority." 406 00:23:31,290 --> 00:23:33,501 But as we know the media is... 407 00:23:35,002 --> 00:23:36,337 pretty dumb. 408 00:23:37,547 --> 00:23:39,382 -What did you tell him? -Who? 409 00:23:40,007 --> 00:23:42,593 You couldn't mean the President, could you? 410 00:23:43,302 --> 00:23:45,346 Because for the President to take a meeting with me, 411 00:23:45,429 --> 00:23:47,932 and pretend it was perfunctory, and social and then try 412 00:23:48,015 --> 00:23:49,809 to ascertain my views on abortion 413 00:23:49,892 --> 00:23:51,185 before nominating me? 414 00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:52,812 Oh, that would have been incredibly improper of him, 415 00:23:52,895 --> 00:23:55,022 as if he were trying to stack the court. 416 00:23:55,231 --> 00:23:57,483 Lucky that meeting never happened. 417 00:23:57,567 --> 00:23:59,443 -Hmm. -And if it had... 418 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:02,989 he never would have asked directly. 419 00:24:03,072 --> 00:24:05,616 Oh, he doesn't ask much directly, does he? 420 00:24:07,326 --> 00:24:09,203 But he would have told me his assumptions and his views, 421 00:24:09,287 --> 00:24:11,163 and watched to see if I contradicted him. 422 00:24:11,247 --> 00:24:12,790 -What would you have done? -Oh, I would have been 423 00:24:12,873 --> 00:24:14,584 so bone deep shocked, that I would have kept 424 00:24:14,667 --> 00:24:18,462 my damn mouth shut and let the son of a bitch 425 00:24:18,546 --> 00:24:22,091 -assume whatever he wanted. -And why would you do that? 426 00:24:22,466 --> 00:24:23,926 Because I would have realized it's the only way 427 00:24:24,010 --> 00:24:25,886 of getting an open mind on this court. 428 00:24:26,387 --> 00:24:27,888 And I might have thought that this republic 429 00:24:27,972 --> 00:24:30,808 was entitled to it. Now, if you really wanna know 430 00:24:30,891 --> 00:24:32,184 what happened in that meeting, 431 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,312 let's get the New York Times up here 432 00:24:34,395 --> 00:24:36,022 and we'll all talk about it together, 433 00:24:36,105 --> 00:24:37,940 because I certainly have nothing to hide. 434 00:24:38,024 --> 00:24:40,985 And when you call over to Pennsylvania Avenue tonight, 435 00:24:41,277 --> 00:24:43,696 you tell whoever answers the phone to say a prayer 436 00:24:43,779 --> 00:24:45,656 for Arthur Jacklin, because he's the second 437 00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:48,701 best reason I haven't voted with Will Dunn, yet. 438 00:24:48,868 --> 00:24:50,578 What's the first? 439 00:24:52,496 --> 00:24:53,748 You don't know her. 440 00:25:02,757 --> 00:25:05,468 Here, this statistic stuff is a bitch. 441 00:25:06,093 --> 00:25:08,387 And this is from the Library of Congress. 442 00:25:08,763 --> 00:25:09,972 -Just put it here. -Okay. 443 00:25:10,056 --> 00:25:12,850 And then this one is from upstairs. 444 00:25:14,977 --> 00:25:16,896 Oh, and some old friend of your wife's called. 445 00:25:16,979 --> 00:25:19,732 Her name is Marley. Then Mrs. Kirkland phoned, 446 00:25:19,815 --> 00:25:22,485 -so I just gave her the number. -Marley Terrell? 447 00:25:22,568 --> 00:25:23,611 Yeah. 448 00:25:26,656 --> 00:25:28,115 Can you give me a minute, please? 449 00:25:28,407 --> 00:25:30,201 -And hold my calls. -Yeah. 450 00:25:43,297 --> 00:25:46,676 Hi. How are you? Very good, thanks. 451 00:25:47,301 --> 00:25:49,887 Oh, well, I don't know. 452 00:25:51,097 --> 00:25:53,641 It's gonna probably be, uh, kind of late. 453 00:25:55,142 --> 00:25:58,646 Uh, fascinating day, fascinating. How's your day? 454 00:26:01,816 --> 00:26:03,317 Yeah, well, you know, my clerk said 455 00:26:03,401 --> 00:26:05,319 that "Marley Terrell called." 456 00:26:05,945 --> 00:26:08,656 Did you, uh, did you ring her back? 457 00:26:11,701 --> 00:26:13,661 Right. What's up? 458 00:26:17,248 --> 00:26:19,917 No, it's not. We've been through this already. 459 00:26:24,380 --> 00:26:26,382 Well, she's my daughter too, and I think, you know, 460 00:26:26,465 --> 00:26:28,676 you need my vote before you do anything. 461 00:26:32,847 --> 00:26:34,849 Linda, honey, listen to me. 462 00:26:35,349 --> 00:26:36,726 You're not-- you're not listening 463 00:26:36,809 --> 00:26:39,687 to what I'm saying, okay? What I'm saying is no. 464 00:26:41,397 --> 00:26:43,691 All right? No, is what I'm... 465 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,616 Me, too. 466 00:26:55,411 --> 00:26:56,704 I'll try. 467 00:27:00,458 --> 00:27:05,671 Imagine, 1.5 million women going to prison each year 468 00:27:05,755 --> 00:27:07,840 alongside 1.5 million doctors. 469 00:27:07,923 --> 00:27:11,427 Well, the insanity of such a final solution 470 00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:13,429 is truly worthy of the Third Reich. 471 00:27:13,721 --> 00:27:18,017 And, you know, both Hitler and Stalin outlawed abortion. 472 00:27:18,601 --> 00:27:20,186 Also jaywalking. 473 00:27:20,978 --> 00:27:23,314 Virginia, if your conviction is-- 474 00:27:23,814 --> 00:27:26,233 -You think she's wrong? -She bothers me. 475 00:27:31,947 --> 00:27:34,200 You can ask why, Callie. You can ask anything. 476 00:27:34,283 --> 00:27:36,744 What? She's slick, packaged, what? 477 00:27:36,952 --> 00:27:38,204 She's a test case. 478 00:27:38,746 --> 00:27:40,831 She's a lawyer who had her abortion in Alabama, 479 00:27:40,998 --> 00:27:43,250 because she was handpicked by pro-choice 480 00:27:43,334 --> 00:27:45,211 to challenge this law. 481 00:27:46,921 --> 00:27:50,174 -Why? You think she's heroic? -More than that. 482 00:27:54,762 --> 00:27:55,930 Okay, she wins. 483 00:27:57,139 --> 00:28:00,017 -Hey, I like being influential. 484 00:28:09,860 --> 00:28:11,779 Nice of you to stop by. 485 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,365 I didn't wanna wake you. 486 00:28:14,448 --> 00:28:16,617 God knows what might have happened. 487 00:28:17,409 --> 00:28:20,162 -Nice note. -Did I make you laugh? 488 00:28:20,329 --> 00:28:21,872 All day long, that's all I did. 489 00:28:22,832 --> 00:28:25,793 -Nice people you work with? -Yes. 490 00:28:27,336 --> 00:28:30,256 -Even the Chief? -No. 491 00:28:32,174 --> 00:28:34,844 'Cause I really disliked him. 492 00:28:35,803 --> 00:28:40,641 You met him at the swearing in, and he said ten words to you. 493 00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:43,686 And I disliked every one of them. 494 00:28:44,478 --> 00:28:46,105 And the horse they rode in on. 495 00:28:46,397 --> 00:28:48,482 I see you're not mad about this Marley thing. 496 00:28:48,858 --> 00:28:50,818 -Do I look mad? -You look something. 497 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:54,530 Maybe it's not about the Marley thing. 498 00:28:54,613 --> 00:28:57,658 -Maybe it's about your day. -What? 499 00:28:59,076 --> 00:29:01,245 Apparently, you haven't seen the news 500 00:29:01,328 --> 00:29:02,913 since eight o'clock tonight? 501 00:29:03,247 --> 00:29:04,665 And I'm usually so conscientious. 502 00:29:04,748 --> 00:29:07,585 Well, it's nothing much. 503 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,087 I just wouldn't give out the address of this place 504 00:29:10,170 --> 00:29:12,089 unless you want lots of company. 505 00:29:12,506 --> 00:29:16,051 -You can tell me now, I'm ready. -The vote is four to four. 506 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,012 You are the swing. 507 00:29:20,222 --> 00:29:21,682 They said that on the news? 508 00:29:28,522 --> 00:29:31,775 Right. 509 00:29:43,537 --> 00:29:45,080 I want a name and I want it now. 510 00:29:45,164 --> 00:29:47,791 -Don't do this to me. -Who leaked this to the press? 511 00:29:47,875 --> 00:29:50,210 -I don't know. -I expect your loyalty. 512 00:29:50,377 --> 00:29:51,795 Don't you think half the clerks in this building 513 00:29:51,879 --> 00:29:53,881 knew who it was within 15 seconds? 514 00:29:55,174 --> 00:29:56,884 Don't put me in the middle. 515 00:30:00,346 --> 00:30:02,264 If no clerk comes forward to 516 00:30:02,348 --> 00:30:03,766 to accept responsibility, 517 00:30:04,141 --> 00:30:07,061 I intend to conduct the inquiry myself. 518 00:30:07,645 --> 00:30:09,104 Is everybody comfortable with that? 519 00:30:09,188 --> 00:30:10,940 -No. -Well, uh... 520 00:30:11,023 --> 00:30:13,859 ...personally speaking, nobody questions my clerks but me, 521 00:30:13,943 --> 00:30:15,819 and I don't have any questions. And if I haven't been 522 00:30:15,903 --> 00:30:18,864 around here long enough to command that kind of slack, 523 00:30:19,239 --> 00:30:21,825 then, uh, well, maybe I've been around here too long. 524 00:30:22,117 --> 00:30:24,370 Ah! Anybody else? 525 00:30:24,578 --> 00:30:26,664 -I'm doing it like The Cork. -Yeah, me, too. 526 00:30:26,747 --> 00:30:29,249 -Here, here. -Count me in. 527 00:30:29,416 --> 00:30:32,378 Joseph, you've been here five minutes. 528 00:30:32,878 --> 00:30:34,254 And I'm laying it all on the line. 529 00:30:38,968 --> 00:30:40,302 What's wrong, Will? 530 00:30:40,386 --> 00:30:41,679 I'm just wondering about the cheery mood 531 00:30:41,762 --> 00:30:43,013 you're in, Bobby. 532 00:30:43,764 --> 00:30:46,558 Well, whenever I get to prove the press wrong, 533 00:30:46,642 --> 00:30:48,852 I get all fuzzy inside. 534 00:30:49,395 --> 00:30:52,564 You see, they think we're deadlocked. 535 00:30:56,151 --> 00:30:59,947 I have Clore's vote, Will. And unless anyone jumps ship, 536 00:31:00,447 --> 00:31:01,991 I'm taking the opinion, 537 00:31:02,491 --> 00:31:04,326 affirming the conviction in this case, 538 00:31:04,410 --> 00:31:06,370 but attacking the Alabama law 539 00:31:06,453 --> 00:31:08,414 for lack of reasonable exceptions, 540 00:31:08,497 --> 00:31:09,790 and sentencing limitations. 541 00:31:09,873 --> 00:31:13,002 It's going to have the effect of making them rewrite 542 00:31:13,085 --> 00:31:17,006 the statute, and that's-- that's what Clore wants. 543 00:31:18,257 --> 00:31:20,175 But too late for Ginny Mapes? 544 00:31:21,844 --> 00:31:23,804 She wants into the history books. 545 00:31:24,430 --> 00:31:26,765 -She's got it. -Tell me, uh, what kinda 546 00:31:26,849 --> 00:31:29,101 jail terms are you recommending for these women? 547 00:31:29,184 --> 00:31:31,645 Open ended. I have to keep it vague. 548 00:31:31,729 --> 00:31:33,564 If I don't, I'll lose Rip on one side, 549 00:31:33,647 --> 00:31:35,941 -or The Cork on the other. -What became of your distaste 550 00:31:36,025 --> 00:31:38,569 -for chaos? -I've lowered my horizons. 551 00:31:39,069 --> 00:31:42,364 Right now, I'm happy to be able to count up to five. 552 00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:45,993 Or is it six? 553 00:31:46,952 --> 00:31:48,662 Joseph, the more I know about your position, 554 00:31:48,746 --> 00:31:51,999 the better chance I have to accommodate it. 555 00:31:55,252 --> 00:31:56,420 It's Saturday. 556 00:31:57,379 --> 00:31:59,006 Judgment day, tomorrow. 557 00:32:02,426 --> 00:32:06,722 A woman who chooses not to bear a child is a criminal. 558 00:32:08,932 --> 00:32:13,187 Only nine people alive can stop that now. 559 00:32:13,771 --> 00:32:15,522 Pray to God they're listening. 560 00:32:19,568 --> 00:32:24,114 And who are we, we women who chose termination 561 00:32:24,198 --> 00:32:27,076 of pregnancy? Well, 20 percent of us 562 00:32:27,159 --> 00:32:28,994 -are teenagers. -A lot of poor people, too. 563 00:32:29,078 --> 00:32:32,498 Fifty-three percent under the age of 25. 564 00:32:32,581 --> 00:32:35,417 -Sixty percent are white. 565 00:32:35,918 --> 00:32:38,045 Thirty percent are in school. 566 00:32:38,420 --> 00:32:40,714 Seventy percent of us are employed. 567 00:32:40,881 --> 00:32:45,928 One-third of us have incomes below the poverty line. 568 00:32:47,096 --> 00:32:48,347 That's a lot. 569 00:32:49,014 --> 00:32:54,144 We are women, many of us who cannot afford food, shelter, 570 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,773 clothing for ourselves, or for our existing, 571 00:32:57,856 --> 00:33:01,527 dependent children of whom we are their sole support. 572 00:33:02,194 --> 00:33:07,282 Now, that is not a sob story. That is real. 573 00:33:07,658 --> 00:33:11,870 But we are not all poor. Some of us are simply lonely, 574 00:33:12,204 --> 00:33:14,748 afraid, and unready to be mothers. 575 00:33:14,832 --> 00:33:18,627 But 70 percent of us plan on having children 576 00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:21,964 when we're older, more financially secure, 577 00:33:22,047 --> 00:33:23,715 when no longer alone. 578 00:33:24,341 --> 00:33:27,678 We made our decision responsibly... 579 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,807 or fearfully or selfishly. 580 00:33:32,683 --> 00:33:35,144 Or all of the above and more. 581 00:33:36,228 --> 00:33:38,397 We are human. 582 00:33:57,374 --> 00:34:00,127 My, my, Sara Marie. 583 00:34:01,712 --> 00:34:05,174 I guess I haven't wandered down here for a visit since... 584 00:34:05,257 --> 00:34:07,551 Since the last time you needed something. 585 00:34:07,968 --> 00:34:09,970 -Have a candy. -No. 586 00:34:14,766 --> 00:34:17,394 I came for your vote, Sara Marie. 587 00:34:18,395 --> 00:34:21,690 -Ah, why the smile? -It's the way you said it. 588 00:34:22,065 --> 00:34:25,194 It was exactly like the devil saying you've come for my soul. 589 00:34:25,694 --> 00:34:28,488 Well, if I were Lucifer I could count up to nine. 590 00:34:29,156 --> 00:34:31,992 As it is, you're only gonna take me to six. 591 00:34:32,242 --> 00:34:34,161 I'm writing my dissent, Bobby. 592 00:34:34,661 --> 00:34:36,413 Only until I walked in. 593 00:34:37,456 --> 00:34:38,874 There's no way you can turn me down. 594 00:34:39,166 --> 00:34:41,960 The key is, I have enough votes to win already, 595 00:34:42,044 --> 00:34:44,838 so the conviction is gonna be affirmed with you 596 00:34:44,922 --> 00:34:46,089 or without you. 597 00:34:46,590 --> 00:34:50,469 I have five votes, no matter what. 598 00:34:50,886 --> 00:34:53,055 And if I can't count on you, 599 00:34:53,597 --> 00:34:55,641 I'm going to have to please Ripley. 600 00:34:56,683 --> 00:34:59,686 And that means maximum possible sentences. 601 00:35:01,605 --> 00:35:06,735 But, if you join me, I'll cut Ripley loose. 602 00:35:06,944 --> 00:35:10,489 Let him concur separately, and you will be personally 603 00:35:10,572 --> 00:35:13,533 responsible for keeping the sentences of these women 604 00:35:13,617 --> 00:35:16,703 at minimum or... or token levels. 605 00:35:16,787 --> 00:35:20,791 In fact, you can draft that section of my opinion. 606 00:35:21,792 --> 00:35:23,502 You're the woman, Sara Marie. 607 00:35:24,628 --> 00:35:27,381 We need you to say "abortion is wrong." 608 00:35:27,756 --> 00:35:29,633 And that's what you believe. 609 00:35:30,634 --> 00:35:33,387 We need you to stand for compassionate sentencing. 610 00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:35,973 How can any prison term be compassionate? 611 00:35:36,056 --> 00:35:39,685 Prison there will be, Sara, so say five votes. 612 00:35:40,185 --> 00:35:42,312 The only question is long prison terms 613 00:35:42,396 --> 00:35:45,983 or next to nothing. That choice is yours. 614 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,111 It really is a deal with the devil, isn't it, Bobby? 615 00:35:50,237 --> 00:35:52,239 You've dealt with him before, Sara. 616 00:35:53,865 --> 00:35:55,325 Now we have tomorrow to lock in. 617 00:35:56,827 --> 00:35:58,912 Monday, we have to present it at 10:00 in the morning, 618 00:35:58,996 --> 00:36:01,999 so if you would start drafting your section, I'll be grateful. 619 00:36:02,082 --> 00:36:04,042 And if you'd talk to Mr. Joseph Kirkland, 620 00:36:04,126 --> 00:36:05,419 I'd be even more so. 621 00:36:07,004 --> 00:36:07,879 What? 622 00:36:08,088 --> 00:36:11,091 Properly viewed, this is the new center position, 623 00:36:11,174 --> 00:36:14,261 and I think that's where Mr. Kirkland longs to be. 624 00:36:16,179 --> 00:36:17,306 He likes you. 625 00:36:18,056 --> 00:36:21,351 Well, you can tell him that you and he will be moving me 626 00:36:21,435 --> 00:36:25,147 to the left of Ripley, which is true. 627 00:36:26,732 --> 00:36:28,358 Then, we can count up to seven. 628 00:36:32,279 --> 00:36:35,157 You're gonna be saving a lot of women 629 00:36:35,741 --> 00:36:37,576 a lot of years in prison, Sara. 630 00:36:39,786 --> 00:36:43,081 Because you're in the right place at the right time. 631 00:36:44,166 --> 00:36:46,293 Now, that's how history gets made. 632 00:36:57,554 --> 00:36:59,848 -Hello. -Oh, sorry. 633 00:36:59,931 --> 00:37:01,558 There was-- there was just more room here. 634 00:37:01,725 --> 00:37:03,185 No, no, stay where you are. 635 00:37:03,810 --> 00:37:07,397 You look great back there. What can I get you? 636 00:37:07,522 --> 00:37:09,066 Rare steaks? Scotch and water? 637 00:37:09,691 --> 00:37:12,611 -Nine votes for Ginny Mapes? -I'll take five. 638 00:37:13,445 --> 00:37:16,865 Oh, uh, that Marley Terrell called again. 639 00:37:16,948 --> 00:37:18,825 She said she couldn't get ahold of your wife, 640 00:37:18,909 --> 00:37:21,703 so tell Mrs. Kirkland she's driving like crazy 641 00:37:21,787 --> 00:37:23,330 to get here by tomorrow. 642 00:37:24,539 --> 00:37:26,124 I'm gonna go home for a minute. 643 00:37:34,424 --> 00:37:35,509 Hi. 644 00:37:35,967 --> 00:37:37,844 I thought you were pulling an all-nighter. 645 00:37:38,095 --> 00:37:40,347 You had a phone message. I thought I'd bring it by. 646 00:37:40,889 --> 00:37:42,057 Marley Terrell called. 647 00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:45,602 She says she'll be here tomorrow. Tomorrow? 648 00:37:45,977 --> 00:37:48,021 -I decided it's time. -Really? 649 00:37:48,313 --> 00:37:52,109 Yes, I did. I heard your vote. Believe me. 650 00:37:52,192 --> 00:37:54,736 -Mommy gets a tiebreaker. -Well, it's-- 651 00:37:54,820 --> 00:37:56,279 it's a little bit that. 652 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,368 It's also about letting truth get the tiebreaker over a lie. 653 00:38:08,458 --> 00:38:11,420 -A lie? -Yes. A lie. 654 00:38:12,587 --> 00:38:15,132 A secret is the same as a lie. Do the math. 655 00:38:15,298 --> 00:38:17,551 My daughter is eight years old. You do the math. 656 00:38:17,843 --> 00:38:20,053 That's funny, so is mine. She's the only one I'm telling. 657 00:38:20,137 --> 00:38:22,556 You can keep yours locked up in a tower. 658 00:38:23,932 --> 00:38:27,227 You've won the argument for three years. 659 00:38:28,228 --> 00:38:30,188 You knew you couldn't win it forever. 660 00:38:30,689 --> 00:38:31,857 It's time, that's all. 661 00:38:31,940 --> 00:38:33,817 Well, you sure picked an interesting time. 662 00:38:34,526 --> 00:38:36,278 What is that supposed to mean? 663 00:38:37,696 --> 00:38:39,114 You think this is about the case? 664 00:38:39,197 --> 00:38:40,740 What are you gonna tell me, it's a coincidence? 665 00:38:40,824 --> 00:38:43,201 No, not completely. It is why Marley called. 666 00:38:43,285 --> 00:38:45,704 It is no factor in my deciding to let her come. 667 00:38:45,787 --> 00:38:46,913 What are you accusing me of? 668 00:38:47,330 --> 00:38:50,792 Don't pull your trial lawyer crap on me. 669 00:38:52,461 --> 00:38:54,254 I am on the verge of getting very angry. 670 00:38:54,463 --> 00:38:56,423 Well, that's good, then we can empathize. 671 00:38:58,758 --> 00:39:01,344 You know my commitment to life. 672 00:39:02,846 --> 00:39:05,015 And you know how I want you to vote. 673 00:39:06,141 --> 00:39:08,477 I don't have to trot out Marley Terrell 674 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,438 -to remind you of our daughter. -Then, why did you? 675 00:39:13,064 --> 00:39:14,357 Why? 676 00:39:16,776 --> 00:39:18,653 You want to acquit that woman. 677 00:39:23,909 --> 00:39:26,661 You want to promote abortion in this country. 678 00:39:26,745 --> 00:39:29,080 You wanna have those babies on your conscience. 679 00:39:29,164 --> 00:39:30,749 Well, you go straight ahead. 680 00:39:31,666 --> 00:39:34,669 Just take it on back to work, and don't do it here! 681 00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:36,796 Thank you very much. 682 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,090 I can feel the slack in the leash already. 683 00:39:41,801 --> 00:39:43,887 You know, it's a shame that there's not enough slack 684 00:39:44,137 --> 00:39:47,098 in that leash to protect our daughter from your truth. 685 00:39:51,228 --> 00:39:53,188 I am gonna forgive you for that because I know 686 00:39:53,271 --> 00:39:54,439 that you love me! 687 00:39:54,898 --> 00:39:56,483 And that you are under a lot of stress. 688 00:39:56,566 --> 00:39:59,277 Don't you take the moral high ground with me! 689 00:40:00,070 --> 00:40:01,696 You're turning this around so you're the victim. 690 00:40:01,780 --> 00:40:02,864 You are not the victim! 691 00:40:02,948 --> 00:40:04,783 You are accusing me of using Jenny 692 00:40:04,866 --> 00:40:06,201 to manipulate you. 693 00:40:06,952 --> 00:40:08,411 Just my vote. 694 00:40:08,954 --> 00:40:10,747 Me, you do very well on your own. 695 00:40:47,117 --> 00:40:48,702 Who's gonna tell Jenny? 696 00:40:50,161 --> 00:40:53,540 You can have first try. That's fair. 697 00:40:56,668 --> 00:40:58,003 Sorry. 698 00:41:20,317 --> 00:41:21,776 I gotta go meet Artie. 699 00:41:23,862 --> 00:41:25,614 Well, give him my love. 700 00:41:35,665 --> 00:41:36,875 Your pro-life poster boy, 701 00:41:36,958 --> 00:41:38,627 Mr. Jacklin is here. 702 00:41:39,044 --> 00:41:43,089 I showed him the notes, per your request. 703 00:41:50,096 --> 00:41:51,514 Hey, Artie. 704 00:41:54,809 --> 00:41:55,852 Good to see you. 705 00:41:55,935 --> 00:41:59,606 All right! Hey, let me ask you something, 706 00:41:59,689 --> 00:42:02,067 what the hell are you doing in a judge's office? 707 00:42:02,442 --> 00:42:05,320 I have no idea. What are you doing out of jail? 708 00:42:05,528 --> 00:42:07,447 Well, I'm due back. 709 00:42:07,697 --> 00:42:09,074 You look good. Linda sends her love. 710 00:42:09,157 --> 00:42:11,201 -Oh, man. -Everything well? 711 00:42:11,284 --> 00:42:14,037 -Yeah. -You read my notes? 712 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,413 I did. 713 00:42:16,122 --> 00:42:18,750 Let me ask you, what is all this crap? 714 00:42:20,919 --> 00:42:22,128 'Cause I'm looking at this, 715 00:42:22,212 --> 00:42:26,758 and I can't tell which way you're landing. 716 00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:30,428 I mean, all this side bar stuff, counseling, waiting period, 717 00:42:30,512 --> 00:42:33,264 notification, the adoption numbers. 718 00:42:33,473 --> 00:42:34,808 Well, you know, the side bar stuff 719 00:42:34,891 --> 00:42:36,559 is where compromise happens. 720 00:42:37,602 --> 00:42:38,937 They do that around here. 721 00:42:39,354 --> 00:42:41,898 Yeah. But I know you a little. 722 00:42:45,944 --> 00:42:47,362 I thought you'd go for the throat. 723 00:42:47,529 --> 00:42:49,531 So, why don't we start at the throat? 724 00:42:51,282 --> 00:42:54,661 Go ahead, tell me. Take your best shot. 725 00:42:55,078 --> 00:42:56,329 What do I need to hear? 726 00:42:56,663 --> 00:42:58,832 Tell me like if it's the first time. 727 00:42:59,541 --> 00:43:00,875 Because now it is. 728 00:43:02,085 --> 00:43:06,381 A human life. Her name is Jenny. 729 00:43:07,048 --> 00:43:09,050 Low blow. 730 00:43:11,177 --> 00:43:13,179 She's got a heartbeat by 21 days, 731 00:43:13,638 --> 00:43:16,891 and by six weeks she's pumping her own manufactured blood 732 00:43:16,975 --> 00:43:20,145 through her own closed cardiovascular system. 733 00:43:20,687 --> 00:43:24,190 Jenny's brain waves are readable at 43 days. 734 00:43:24,524 --> 00:43:28,486 She's an individual. A unique genetic being. 735 00:43:28,570 --> 00:43:31,698 You tell me which side should bear the burden of proof 736 00:43:31,781 --> 00:43:34,075 if someone wants to take that life? 737 00:43:34,367 --> 00:43:37,829 No, forget about taking, because this is violent killing. 738 00:43:38,204 --> 00:43:40,331 Jenny is attacked with steel weapons, 739 00:43:40,415 --> 00:43:43,752 torn from the uterus, dismembered in the process, 740 00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:45,754 because we couldn't leave any little pieces 741 00:43:45,837 --> 00:43:48,715 of Jenny behind to infect the loving mother. 742 00:43:49,299 --> 00:43:50,550 Or maybe the amniotic fluid 743 00:43:50,633 --> 00:43:53,678 is replaced by a saline solution and she suffocates 744 00:43:53,762 --> 00:43:55,388 and burns in two hours. 745 00:43:55,472 --> 00:43:57,515 But when does she feel pain, Artie? 746 00:43:58,391 --> 00:44:00,977 When is she cognitively aware of that pain? 747 00:44:01,060 --> 00:44:02,353 Seven months? Eight months? 748 00:44:02,437 --> 00:44:05,148 No, nobody knows that for sure. That's why they argue 749 00:44:05,231 --> 00:44:08,693 for killing them young. Because maybe it's okay 750 00:44:08,902 --> 00:44:13,323 if she's not aware or in pain. But we know that she's startled 751 00:44:13,406 --> 00:44:16,159 by loud noises and turns towards a soothing one. 752 00:44:16,326 --> 00:44:18,953 Responds to touch. Begins to cry. 753 00:44:19,162 --> 00:44:22,624 It doesn't matter what she doesn't feel or doesn't know. 754 00:44:23,458 --> 00:44:27,045 -She is no less alive. -I think you're wrong. 755 00:44:28,254 --> 00:44:32,759 I think knowing and feeling is a big part about being alive. 756 00:44:33,468 --> 00:44:35,428 You have two cells at conception. 757 00:44:36,095 --> 00:44:41,768 It's alive, but maybe, maybe it's human. 758 00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:46,064 But it's certainly less, less than at nine months. 759 00:44:46,606 --> 00:44:48,525 It doesn't start off as Jenny, Artie. 760 00:44:49,192 --> 00:44:52,445 It grows, it's a process. She becomes Jenny. 761 00:44:52,529 --> 00:44:54,656 If you can't see that, you can't reach me. 762 00:44:54,864 --> 00:44:57,617 You're drawing an artificial line, 763 00:44:58,451 --> 00:45:01,955 -picking a number, playing God. -Tell me why that's wrong. 764 00:45:02,038 --> 00:45:03,498 Who draws the line? 765 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,458 The mother who wants to be rid of Jenny, 766 00:45:05,542 --> 00:45:07,377 pretend it's some kind of uterine tumor? 767 00:45:07,460 --> 00:45:10,171 -Who stands up for Jenny? -I do. 768 00:45:10,380 --> 00:45:12,423 And what about her potential, Joseph? 769 00:45:13,675 --> 00:45:15,802 You wanna kill her. You wanna punish her with death 770 00:45:15,885 --> 00:45:18,263 because her brain hasn't developed. 771 00:45:18,429 --> 00:45:20,890 But if you don't kill her, it will develop. 772 00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:23,434 But you kill her before it can. 773 00:45:23,518 --> 00:45:26,813 Now doesn't that strike you as a little unfair? 774 00:45:28,398 --> 00:45:31,818 What about letting nature take its course? 775 00:45:32,443 --> 00:45:35,697 Joe, will you think about that? 776 00:45:36,823 --> 00:45:40,243 -That's all I do think about. 777 00:45:41,619 --> 00:45:44,247 Hi, Sara. Please come in. 778 00:45:44,622 --> 00:45:46,457 I want you to meet Arthur Jacklin. 779 00:45:47,417 --> 00:45:49,502 Really a pleasure to meet you, Your Honor. 780 00:45:49,752 --> 00:45:51,754 I'm surprised to see you here. 781 00:45:55,341 --> 00:45:57,385 -Walk with me? -What? 782 00:45:57,468 --> 00:46:01,806 I think you're exposing yourself to an extreme influence 783 00:46:01,890 --> 00:46:03,516 on the night of the deliberation. 784 00:46:03,892 --> 00:46:06,269 -You're wrong, he's not. -Oh, yes, he is. 785 00:46:06,352 --> 00:46:08,605 He's-- he's Virginia Mapes. He's passionate. 786 00:46:08,688 --> 00:46:10,315 He's committed. And in this context, 787 00:46:10,398 --> 00:46:13,359 on this night, that makes him extreme, yes. 788 00:46:13,443 --> 00:46:15,862 -I'm refuting his arguments. -Every one? 789 00:46:16,195 --> 00:46:17,906 Except the ones he's right on. 790 00:46:19,198 --> 00:46:21,659 -Why don't you talk to him? -No. 791 00:46:22,368 --> 00:46:24,329 Why? Are you afraid he might change your vote? 792 00:46:24,412 --> 00:46:28,791 No, he doesn't have to, the chief already has. 793 00:46:30,919 --> 00:46:33,338 He has his five to affirm. 794 00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:35,423 He says if I join-- 795 00:46:35,506 --> 00:46:38,343 He'll throw you a bone on the sentencing. 796 00:46:40,178 --> 00:46:43,181 Sorry. Am I growing up too fast? 797 00:46:47,393 --> 00:46:48,895 He bought you cheap, Sara. 798 00:46:49,771 --> 00:46:51,397 He wants five on the same opinion, 799 00:46:51,481 --> 00:46:53,316 because Ripley's going by himself. 800 00:46:54,025 --> 00:46:58,321 So, that means the Chief, Clore, Cork, Morrisey and your vote, 801 00:46:58,404 --> 00:47:00,990 he needs you for a token sentencing. 802 00:47:01,407 --> 00:47:03,326 Otherwise, there's gonna be a war between Ripley, 803 00:47:03,409 --> 00:47:05,370 -and the bleeding hearts. -Maybe not. 804 00:47:05,662 --> 00:47:07,580 And that's why I wanna talk to you. 805 00:47:08,915 --> 00:47:11,125 If the Chief leans my way on sentencing, 806 00:47:11,209 --> 00:47:13,419 there is a chance he could lose Dan Morrisey's vote, 807 00:47:13,503 --> 00:47:14,837 and he'll do anything to avoid that, 808 00:47:14,921 --> 00:47:17,840 including selling me out in a New York minute. 809 00:47:18,383 --> 00:47:20,510 Dan's a legend. He's like Will. He-- 810 00:47:20,593 --> 00:47:22,971 he personifies humanity and compassion. 811 00:47:23,054 --> 00:47:25,264 And if he's on the opinion, then it's validated, 812 00:47:25,348 --> 00:47:27,934 and it's legitimized. But you see, if I have you-- 813 00:47:28,393 --> 00:47:32,230 If I have your vote and you and I are two. 814 00:47:32,313 --> 00:47:35,441 -And two pygmies trump a legend. -Pygmies? 815 00:47:35,525 --> 00:47:38,027 I wouldn't put it like that, but yes. 816 00:47:40,363 --> 00:47:42,949 -Think of the stakes, Joseph. -Hmm. 817 00:47:44,367 --> 00:47:46,953 Ripley would make these women murderers. 818 00:47:47,286 --> 00:47:48,663 And if he's given half the chance, 819 00:47:48,746 --> 00:47:50,248 the Chief will go that way, too. 820 00:47:50,331 --> 00:47:52,625 Please don't give them that chance. 821 00:48:05,888 --> 00:48:08,016 -It is so late. 822 00:48:08,808 --> 00:48:10,977 Well, will you sleep on it? 823 00:48:13,813 --> 00:48:15,857 Tomorrow we'll do the right thing. 824 00:48:42,884 --> 00:48:45,636 -Hi. -hi. 825 00:48:46,804 --> 00:48:47,972 What are you doing? 826 00:48:48,264 --> 00:48:51,017 Watching you sleep. It's very entertaining. 827 00:48:51,434 --> 00:48:52,727 Funny I should ask. 828 00:48:56,022 --> 00:49:00,026 Funny you should ask. Come here. 829 00:49:03,446 --> 00:49:05,031 How'd everything go last night? 830 00:49:06,157 --> 00:49:07,617 -Okay? -Mm-hmm. 831 00:49:08,534 --> 00:49:11,537 -How 'bout Mommy? -She cried. 832 00:49:13,122 --> 00:49:17,043 She say about what? No? 833 00:49:18,377 --> 00:49:19,545 It was my fault. 834 00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:23,049 -We had a big fight. -About what? 835 00:49:25,426 --> 00:49:29,055 We got into a fight about babies. Sort of. 836 00:49:31,057 --> 00:49:33,810 I know you know that how, you know, some people they-- 837 00:49:34,268 --> 00:49:37,146 they can't make babies with their bodies. Right? 838 00:49:37,605 --> 00:49:39,816 -Like Aunt Lucille? -Right. Like Aunt Lucille. 839 00:49:39,899 --> 00:49:41,651 Although she's still trying, right? 840 00:49:42,235 --> 00:49:45,029 And we hope and pray that one day she can, right? 841 00:49:45,655 --> 00:49:47,698 But some people, you know, they just can't. 842 00:49:48,282 --> 00:49:49,325 Right? 843 00:49:55,748 --> 00:49:57,458 And then there's some other couples 844 00:49:57,542 --> 00:49:59,085 who have lots of babies. 845 00:49:59,544 --> 00:50:00,711 And even though they have 846 00:50:00,795 --> 00:50:02,171 lots of them, each one of those-- 847 00:50:02,255 --> 00:50:04,090 -Are we having a baby? -Oh. 848 00:50:07,385 --> 00:50:10,096 No, we're not having a baby. 849 00:50:11,597 --> 00:50:12,932 Where was I? 850 00:50:13,558 --> 00:50:17,019 Okay. These-- these couples that they get to... 851 00:50:17,562 --> 00:50:18,771 you know that they can't have babies, 852 00:50:18,855 --> 00:50:20,189 but they want them so badly, 853 00:50:20,273 --> 00:50:25,278 and they really need a baby, but they can't have them. 854 00:50:25,361 --> 00:50:27,905 They get a special gift. 855 00:50:29,365 --> 00:50:30,616 They get to adopt a baby. 856 00:50:30,867 --> 00:50:33,786 And that baby to them, because she's adopted, 857 00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:35,705 becomes the most precious... 858 00:50:38,374 --> 00:50:41,169 baby of all. The most precious. 859 00:50:44,797 --> 00:50:46,132 Is that me? 860 00:50:47,091 --> 00:50:49,093 That's you. The most precious of all. 861 00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:51,429 You always knew how much you meant to us, 862 00:50:51,804 --> 00:50:53,222 and now you know why. 863 00:50:58,728 --> 00:51:00,229 How come you never told me? 864 00:51:00,521 --> 00:51:02,732 I was afraid that I wouldn't say it right. 865 00:51:03,191 --> 00:51:08,154 And that, uh, you would think I love you one inch less, 866 00:51:08,654 --> 00:51:12,325 -and I couldn't stand that. -Well, when were you gonna? 867 00:51:12,408 --> 00:51:13,868 When you were bigger. 868 00:51:14,243 --> 00:51:17,163 And Mommy was right, I see you're big already. 869 00:51:17,955 --> 00:51:19,123 You still love me? 870 00:51:19,540 --> 00:51:21,167 Of course, I still love you. 871 00:51:22,627 --> 00:51:24,170 And I love you with all my heart. 872 00:51:25,213 --> 00:51:26,422 You're my special. 873 00:51:33,971 --> 00:51:36,974 -Where's my real daddy? -I'm your real daddy. 874 00:51:38,476 --> 00:51:41,145 I mean, the other one. 875 00:51:41,562 --> 00:51:43,898 Your other daddy is, uh... 876 00:51:44,690 --> 00:51:46,859 Well, nobody knows for sure who he is. 877 00:51:47,193 --> 00:51:49,070 Not even the mother who gave birth to you. 878 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,780 You know her? 879 00:51:50,988 --> 00:51:52,156 I-- I know who she is. 880 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:53,783 And I know she's driving up to meet you. 881 00:51:53,866 --> 00:51:55,243 And you can meet her if you want. 882 00:51:55,326 --> 00:51:57,203 And if you don't want to, we-- we won't let her. 883 00:51:58,371 --> 00:51:59,622 Is she nice? 884 00:51:59,914 --> 00:52:06,087 Well, yes, she's nice. And you won't be alone with her. 885 00:52:06,587 --> 00:52:07,672 Mommy and I will be-- 886 00:52:07,755 --> 00:52:09,215 She can't get me back or anything? 887 00:52:09,382 --> 00:52:15,471 Nobody can give you back. Nobody takes you away from me. 888 00:52:16,555 --> 00:52:18,724 You understand that? Never. 889 00:52:20,643 --> 00:52:22,019 -And you know what? -What? 890 00:52:22,103 --> 00:52:25,398 She has brown eyes, like someone I know. 891 00:52:25,940 --> 00:52:29,485 Is she real pretty? Is she, Mommy? 892 00:52:31,821 --> 00:52:33,531 You know what they call when there's three people 893 00:52:33,614 --> 00:52:35,616 in the room and they all love each other? 894 00:52:37,576 --> 00:52:39,120 -You know? -What? 895 00:52:39,203 --> 00:52:40,288 A family. 896 00:52:44,583 --> 00:52:46,085 I love you, munchkin. 897 00:52:51,549 --> 00:52:53,676 Eighty-seven injured, twelve seriously. 898 00:52:54,051 --> 00:52:55,761 Adding to the eruptions of disorder 899 00:52:55,845 --> 00:52:57,596 in Macon, Seattle, Fort Worth. 900 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,558 It's been a busy night all across the country. 901 00:53:00,808 --> 00:53:03,686 With less than 24 hours to go, yesterday's rumors 902 00:53:03,936 --> 00:53:06,314 of a conservative consensus have evaporated, 903 00:53:06,397 --> 00:53:08,733 leaving even the most experienced court watchers 904 00:53:08,816 --> 00:53:11,110 in sharp disagreement over which way 905 00:53:11,193 --> 00:53:13,237 this court is going to turn. 906 00:53:13,696 --> 00:53:15,906 How did he say it, Willie? 907 00:53:16,699 --> 00:53:21,162 Harlan said, "It's time to go, Willie. 908 00:53:21,704 --> 00:53:24,290 So, let's not start crying about it." 909 00:53:25,708 --> 00:53:29,086 And I cried. And he watched. 910 00:53:30,504 --> 00:53:32,173 And you know what he said? 911 00:53:32,882 --> 00:53:35,509 -He said, "You look ridiculous." 912 00:53:38,804 --> 00:53:41,057 -I'm sorry. Am I interrupting? -No. 913 00:53:41,766 --> 00:53:45,144 We're just lobbying our pigheaded colleague here. 914 00:53:45,895 --> 00:53:47,313 Help us, why don't you? 915 00:53:51,692 --> 00:53:56,572 Mister Justice Morrisey, sir, whatever they say, just do it. 916 00:53:57,448 --> 00:53:58,866 Intriguing technique. 917 00:53:58,949 --> 00:54:00,826 I believe in finesse, me and the Chief. 918 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,996 Have you ever wondered why we're not lobbying you? 919 00:54:04,747 --> 00:54:06,791 You haven't stopped since I met you. 920 00:54:07,625 --> 00:54:09,502 -So, you noticed. -Hmm. 921 00:54:14,799 --> 00:54:17,134 I am interrupting. I'll come back. 922 00:54:18,803 --> 00:54:20,805 As a matter of fact, you are. 923 00:54:21,764 --> 00:54:25,518 But if you'll help us change Dan's vote, we'll forgive you. 924 00:54:26,143 --> 00:54:28,813 Talk to me, son. Take a minute. 925 00:54:31,899 --> 00:54:37,279 -Let's see who's mind changes. -Okay. 926 00:54:38,114 --> 00:54:41,784 Well, sir, you are the most interesting vote in the pack. 927 00:54:41,992 --> 00:54:43,661 Oh, you interested in contradictions? 928 00:54:43,744 --> 00:54:46,747 Well, Willard Dunn here, he supports abortion, 929 00:54:46,831 --> 00:54:48,791 and he's against capital punishment. 930 00:54:48,874 --> 00:54:50,793 Under the theory, I suppose that 931 00:54:51,168 --> 00:54:53,671 only children are deserving of heaven. 932 00:54:53,921 --> 00:54:56,048 Are you a religious man, Joseph? 933 00:54:56,132 --> 00:54:59,427 -No, sir. -Dan, an honest answer. 934 00:55:00,344 --> 00:55:02,763 Didn't they tell you we get paid by the word? 935 00:55:02,930 --> 00:55:03,722 No. 936 00:55:04,098 --> 00:55:06,976 I think you better vote with Willie here. 937 00:55:07,268 --> 00:55:08,686 You know, if it weren't for my religion 938 00:55:08,769 --> 00:55:10,354 that's what I'd be voting. 939 00:55:10,604 --> 00:55:11,897 Why? 940 00:55:12,982 --> 00:55:14,650 I mean, if it's not a human being 941 00:55:14,733 --> 00:55:16,902 that tissue is still some form of life. 942 00:55:17,069 --> 00:55:18,237 Oh, well. 943 00:55:18,362 --> 00:55:20,698 And what is the competing right? The convenience of the woman? 944 00:55:20,781 --> 00:55:23,993 Bringing an unwanted child into the world is a little bit 945 00:55:24,076 --> 00:55:27,371 more than inconvenience, son, for all concerned. 946 00:55:27,997 --> 00:55:31,792 If it weren't for God's will. 947 00:55:33,127 --> 00:55:37,631 Do you know this pro-life bunches' arguments 948 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,844 become a bit theoretical. You know, adoption not abortion. 949 00:55:42,011 --> 00:55:45,347 It's a fine theory until you look at the numbers. 950 00:55:45,431 --> 00:55:46,849 The reality of what happens. 951 00:55:46,932 --> 00:55:51,604 So few of those children ever end up fed and loved, 952 00:55:51,687 --> 00:55:52,855 and not alone in the world. 953 00:55:52,938 --> 00:55:55,816 It's not anything like the theories 954 00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:57,818 in Ben Ripley's mind. 955 00:55:58,027 --> 00:56:02,031 It's real suffering in terrible numbers. 956 00:56:02,406 --> 00:56:06,285 But God isn't a theory. He's not just in our minds. 957 00:56:06,535 --> 00:56:07,870 No, God is real. 958 00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:14,627 Does he want you to protect the weak? 959 00:56:15,669 --> 00:56:16,754 Why he surely does. 960 00:56:17,004 --> 00:56:20,466 Does he want you to stop the pain of mothers and babies, 961 00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:22,843 real suffering in terrible numbers? 962 00:56:22,927 --> 00:56:26,555 I think so, Joseph. However, if you read your Bible, 963 00:56:27,181 --> 00:56:30,893 you will discover that he wants some other things of us as well. 964 00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:32,561 Hmm. 965 00:56:35,022 --> 00:56:36,357 What are you thinking? 966 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,859 I'm thinking how much the Bible sounds like our constitution. 967 00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:42,530 It can't cover every specific, so it gives us guidelines, 968 00:56:42,905 --> 00:56:45,115 that could justify a range of options. 969 00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:48,285 In one way, or another. 970 00:56:49,578 --> 00:56:50,955 If we choose to look. 971 00:56:51,580 --> 00:56:54,625 We cannot hide from our freedom to choose, no, sir. 972 00:56:54,708 --> 00:56:56,502 It's in our hands to do the right. 973 00:56:56,919 --> 00:56:58,963 And what is that, Joseph? 974 00:56:59,505 --> 00:57:01,715 Still chasing it, sir. Still chasing it. 975 00:57:03,759 --> 00:57:05,344 But looking at you and listening to you, 976 00:57:05,427 --> 00:57:08,722 I would say you should watch out because Will Dunn'll get you. 977 00:57:08,889 --> 00:57:11,517 Well, on this one, no. 978 00:57:12,268 --> 00:57:13,936 No, not even Harlan Greene 979 00:57:14,019 --> 00:57:15,604 could turn me around on this one. 980 00:57:15,688 --> 00:57:17,273 That's actually why I came down here. 981 00:57:17,356 --> 00:57:19,400 Mister Justice Greene, how is he? 982 00:57:19,733 --> 00:57:22,194 Oh, he's feisty, impossible. 983 00:57:23,362 --> 00:57:25,573 As a matter we were talking about him when you 984 00:57:25,656 --> 00:57:26,824 walked in. 985 00:57:26,907 --> 00:57:29,743 -You think he's up for a visit? -He'd like that, Joseph. 986 00:57:30,828 --> 00:57:31,745 He'd welcome it. 987 00:57:31,912 --> 00:57:33,914 I think he's waiting on you. 988 00:57:37,167 --> 00:57:38,377 Thanks for the chat. 989 00:57:53,767 --> 00:57:55,352 Mister Justice Greene? 990 00:57:56,145 --> 00:58:00,482 Oh, hello, Joseph. Pleased to meet you. 991 00:58:00,983 --> 00:58:03,027 Same here, sir. I'm truly honored. 992 00:58:03,110 --> 00:58:07,573 Sir. I like that. 993 00:58:08,657 --> 00:58:11,368 Will you keep that up, calling me that? 994 00:58:11,452 --> 00:58:13,454 Yes, sir. I always will. 995 00:58:14,413 --> 00:58:16,290 Well, Henry Banks thinks 996 00:58:16,373 --> 00:58:18,667 you're good enough to vote with him. 997 00:58:19,585 --> 00:58:22,796 And Willie Dunn's not sure. That's the highest praise 998 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,673 I've ever heard from either of them. 999 00:58:25,591 --> 00:58:27,760 So, perhaps you're half all right. 1000 00:58:27,843 --> 00:58:28,761 Thank you, sir. 1001 00:58:29,011 --> 00:58:30,596 Take to the Chief right off, did you? 1002 00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:35,684 -Yes, like, duck to water. -The robe fit you good? 1003 00:58:37,936 --> 00:58:39,438 I'm gonna try my damnedest. 1004 00:58:41,315 --> 00:58:44,652 Well said. Good of you to waste your Sunday. 1005 00:58:44,735 --> 00:58:46,612 Well, actually, I came for a favor. 1006 00:58:47,363 --> 00:58:49,990 Well, that's very flattering, Joseph. 1007 00:58:50,074 --> 00:58:52,951 I can't imagine what I could possibly do. 1008 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,913 I need your expertise, some help. 1009 00:58:58,207 --> 00:58:59,833 Sorry for the handwriting. 1010 00:59:03,128 --> 00:59:05,798 It's just some early thoughts. 1011 00:59:08,175 --> 00:59:10,052 It's the clarity of the thinking... 1012 00:59:11,011 --> 00:59:13,430 that you might want to reconsider. 1013 00:59:17,393 --> 00:59:19,687 Now, this, uh, this foolishness over here. 1014 00:59:20,020 --> 00:59:22,773 Is this what you think counting to five requires? 1015 00:59:23,065 --> 00:59:24,233 Uh, worse than that, sir. 1016 00:59:24,316 --> 00:59:27,903 It's what I think fairness requires. 1017 00:59:30,114 --> 00:59:32,116 Whoa, now. Whoa, boy. 1018 00:59:32,324 --> 00:59:35,119 Continuing obligation of the states? 1019 00:59:35,202 --> 00:59:36,453 Yes, right. 1020 00:59:37,204 --> 00:59:40,624 It probably occurred to you that this might require 1021 00:59:41,041 --> 00:59:43,043 some oversight on the part of the court. 1022 00:59:43,293 --> 00:59:45,629 Well, no more than Brown versus the Board of Education 1023 00:59:45,713 --> 00:59:48,215 required to desegregate the schools. 1024 00:59:48,674 --> 00:59:50,300 Oh, no more than that, huh? 1025 00:59:51,009 --> 00:59:53,721 -Well, maybe a little bit more. -Now, be careful, son. 1026 00:59:54,638 --> 00:59:56,724 The Lord loveth a man of low ambition, 1027 00:59:56,807 --> 00:59:58,225 and the Chief even more so. 1028 00:59:58,308 --> 01:00:00,686 Well, maybe I'm looking for love someplace else. 1029 01:00:02,020 --> 01:00:07,109 The first thing to know is we all vote who we are. 1030 01:00:07,443 --> 01:00:08,360 Right. 1031 01:00:08,777 --> 01:00:12,740 And this will detail who you go to and who you don't. 1032 01:00:12,990 --> 01:00:15,075 And how you do both. 1033 01:00:15,242 --> 01:00:20,873 Because how you don't do something counts, too. 1034 01:00:22,666 --> 01:00:25,711 In fact, as in all of life... 1035 01:00:27,379 --> 01:00:29,965 everything counts. 1036 01:00:35,012 --> 01:00:36,221 I need five votes. 1037 01:00:36,889 --> 01:00:40,100 Well, you do have a lot of foolishness in here. 1038 01:00:41,101 --> 01:00:45,522 Yes, sir, but, uh, I believe in it, truly. 1039 01:00:50,903 --> 01:00:52,362 You get me to four... 1040 01:00:57,785 --> 01:00:59,328 I'll get you to five. 1041 01:01:02,748 --> 01:01:04,416 Right this way, Mister Chief Justice. 1042 01:01:04,500 --> 01:01:05,501 Thank you. 1043 01:01:05,584 --> 01:01:07,002 I know you're heading home for supper, 1044 01:01:07,085 --> 01:01:09,046 so I'll come right to the point. 1045 01:01:09,254 --> 01:01:12,299 Uh, the Cork says that "you showed him some notes." 1046 01:01:12,508 --> 01:01:14,301 Hmm, thoughts in progress. 1047 01:01:14,426 --> 01:01:16,386 Still thinking, still working on them. 1048 01:01:17,095 --> 01:01:19,181 -Why The Cork? -Thought I'd get his opinion. 1049 01:01:19,264 --> 01:01:21,600 You thought he'd bring it to me, huh? 1050 01:01:21,683 --> 01:01:22,768 Why? 1051 01:01:24,061 --> 01:01:25,395 Because I own his vote. 1052 01:01:26,188 --> 01:01:29,316 We have a long and a-- Symbiotic, is the word, 1053 01:01:29,399 --> 01:01:31,777 symbiotic relationship, The Cork and I. 1054 01:01:32,194 --> 01:01:35,697 Neither of us could be who he is without the other. 1055 01:01:36,365 --> 01:01:39,201 And on the big ones, which this one is, I-- 1056 01:01:40,077 --> 01:01:41,286 I vote his vote. 1057 01:01:41,370 --> 01:01:43,831 -How could I have known that? -Yeah, how? 1058 01:01:44,498 --> 01:01:45,833 Tell me, Joseph, 1059 01:01:46,041 --> 01:01:47,960 what are your views on other matters? 1060 01:01:48,043 --> 01:01:49,044 "Other matters"? 1061 01:01:49,628 --> 01:01:52,965 Free speech, criminal rights, death penalty, 1062 01:01:53,048 --> 01:01:56,093 equal protection of the law. Where lies your heart of hearts? 1063 01:01:56,176 --> 01:01:58,595 Are we talking about trading votes? 1064 01:01:59,638 --> 01:02:02,808 You got one to trade, son, other than your own? 1065 01:02:04,726 --> 01:02:07,020 Now you just pull them back for a couple of seconds, 1066 01:02:07,104 --> 01:02:09,231 and listen to somebody who's older 1067 01:02:09,481 --> 01:02:10,816 and meaner than you are. 1068 01:02:10,899 --> 01:02:13,694 I'm talking about a relationship. 1069 01:02:14,570 --> 01:02:18,824 Wherein, your views are as important to me, 1070 01:02:19,533 --> 01:02:21,034 as mine are to you. 1071 01:02:21,827 --> 01:02:23,829 I can double deal with the worst. 1072 01:02:24,997 --> 01:02:26,164 And I rarely make a promise. 1073 01:02:26,248 --> 01:02:29,543 But when I do, I've never broken one. 1074 01:02:29,626 --> 01:02:32,754 -You can ask Harlan Greene. -Harlan Greene. 1075 01:02:33,171 --> 01:02:36,133 Oh, how could such a pitiful liar 1076 01:02:36,216 --> 01:02:38,051 ever make a living as a lawyer? 1077 01:02:38,427 --> 01:02:39,928 Well, good thing I landed on the bench 1078 01:02:40,012 --> 01:02:42,848 where honesty is at such a premium. 1079 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,100 Now, what did Harlan say? 1080 01:02:45,434 --> 01:02:47,895 "You get me to four votes, son, and I'll get you to five." 1081 01:02:48,103 --> 01:02:53,984 Oh, so that means Clore, Rip, The Cork, 1082 01:02:54,276 --> 01:02:57,905 and, uh, who? Oh, me. 1083 01:02:59,281 --> 01:03:00,866 How many does that make? 1084 01:03:04,036 --> 01:03:04,912 Yeah. 1085 01:03:05,203 --> 01:03:09,082 So, I guess that means you have to get everybody else. 1086 01:03:10,876 --> 01:03:12,377 So, while you're home 1087 01:03:13,211 --> 01:03:14,588 having dinner with your charming family, 1088 01:03:14,671 --> 01:03:17,758 I would ponder my offer of a relationship, 1089 01:03:18,383 --> 01:03:19,676 because if it stops here, 1090 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,472 I can forgive this level of disagreement in five seconds. 1091 01:03:24,222 --> 01:03:26,767 I can even respect a man for trying. 1092 01:03:27,935 --> 01:03:30,896 But if you go for five, if you really go... 1093 01:03:31,855 --> 01:03:35,901 win or lose, you-- you'll hurt my feelings. 1094 01:03:37,819 --> 01:03:39,196 Have a good supper. 1095 01:04:03,470 --> 01:04:05,806 Are you gonna tell me what this is all about? 1096 01:04:12,646 --> 01:04:13,939 Come on in. 1097 01:04:20,654 --> 01:04:21,989 I'll be out on the landing. 1098 01:04:23,365 --> 01:04:25,242 You can come out when you're ready. 1099 01:04:31,540 --> 01:04:34,209 I'm making some tea. Do you drink tea? 1100 01:04:35,752 --> 01:04:37,004 Yes, thank you. 1101 01:04:39,798 --> 01:04:43,176 If you punish that young woman, you'll regret it all your life. 1102 01:04:49,850 --> 01:04:51,393 Is this her idea? 1103 01:04:52,477 --> 01:04:55,230 And I'm 80 percent sure it's a bad one. 1104 01:04:55,731 --> 01:04:57,774 Neither you nor I have time for this. 1105 01:04:57,858 --> 01:04:59,359 We both have a night's work ahead. 1106 01:04:59,443 --> 01:05:01,820 If this can't help... 1107 01:05:02,988 --> 01:05:04,990 please dear God, don't let it hurt. 1108 01:05:05,782 --> 01:05:07,701 Well, that's a chance you take, isn't it? 1109 01:05:08,076 --> 01:05:10,996 When you get up in the morning, yeah. 1110 01:05:15,459 --> 01:05:18,420 I'm late for a rally at the Lincoln Memorial. 1111 01:05:19,004 --> 01:05:21,715 Is that enough irony for you? 1112 01:05:22,716 --> 01:05:24,593 What would Mister Lincoln say? 1113 01:05:24,926 --> 01:05:28,013 We must wonder, you and I, if he could see all this. 1114 01:05:32,601 --> 01:05:34,936 Your clerk told me what you think of me. 1115 01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:37,606 And you are mostly right. 1116 01:05:37,689 --> 01:05:40,358 I am the worst case for sympathy, 1117 01:05:40,442 --> 01:05:42,152 except perhaps for my color, 1118 01:05:42,235 --> 01:05:45,447 which only adds to the irony, I suppose. 1119 01:05:46,573 --> 01:05:49,201 I am educated. I am successful. 1120 01:05:49,493 --> 01:05:51,495 My abortion was truly discretionary. 1121 01:05:51,578 --> 01:05:53,038 I could have afforded the child. 1122 01:05:53,121 --> 01:05:54,873 I could have handled it emotionally. 1123 01:05:55,290 --> 01:05:57,834 It would not have even seriously interfered with my law practice. 1124 01:05:57,918 --> 01:06:00,962 But the father was barely a casual boyfriend, 1125 01:06:01,046 --> 01:06:02,631 and the conception was an accident. 1126 01:06:02,881 --> 01:06:06,426 And I choose to terminate the pregnancy in my fifth week. 1127 01:06:06,510 --> 01:06:07,969 Do you have any regrets? 1128 01:06:09,221 --> 01:06:11,056 I wish I could say I did. 1129 01:06:11,598 --> 01:06:13,558 It would make me more sympathetic, I know, 1130 01:06:13,642 --> 01:06:16,061 but I felt none. 1131 01:06:16,895 --> 01:06:18,563 Someday I will fall in love, 1132 01:06:18,647 --> 01:06:21,608 and we will have babies together. 1133 01:06:22,359 --> 01:06:25,779 See these and other things you could come to know about us, 1134 01:06:25,862 --> 01:06:27,322 if you spent the time. 1135 01:06:28,657 --> 01:06:32,244 But there is one thing you can never really know. 1136 01:06:35,288 --> 01:06:37,124 What this means to us. 1137 01:06:43,505 --> 01:06:45,006 Will you tell me one thing? 1138 01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,469 I'll trade you. One for one. 1139 01:06:52,305 --> 01:06:53,890 Are you afraid for yourself? 1140 01:06:54,683 --> 01:06:56,309 Oh, yes, very much. 1141 01:07:00,564 --> 01:07:01,815 Are you? 1142 01:07:08,363 --> 01:07:09,364 Yes. 1143 01:07:39,269 --> 01:07:40,645 They said you're not eating. 1144 01:07:41,521 --> 01:07:43,315 Oh, the food's terrible. 1145 01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:46,776 Well, I, 1146 01:07:47,694 --> 01:07:50,822 thought that maybe they'd forgotten... 1147 01:07:52,407 --> 01:07:56,870 where to find these. 1148 01:07:58,580 --> 01:08:00,540 Well, it's all no chocolate. 1149 01:08:00,624 --> 01:08:03,168 This-- this is the butterscotch here. 1150 01:08:06,796 --> 01:08:09,174 -Thanks, Danny. -You look pretty good to me. 1151 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:16,181 -You want your seat back? -When the Chief steps down. 1152 01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:20,560 Will said you wanted to see me before the vote. 1153 01:08:20,644 --> 01:08:22,103 Of course, I came. 1154 01:08:22,812 --> 01:08:26,441 I didn't wanna miss a chance to win another argument. 1155 01:08:29,861 --> 01:08:32,781 Well, I'm a busy man, Harlan. Let's get to it. 1156 01:08:33,323 --> 01:08:37,827 -Why are you smiling, old man? -I wasn't smiling. 1157 01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:41,790 I-- I was just thinking... 1158 01:08:44,376 --> 01:08:46,044 just thinking of what we built. 1159 01:08:48,755 --> 01:08:51,967 You and me, and Willie Dunn. 1160 01:08:52,717 --> 01:08:56,680 I lie around here and wonder how did we do all that? 1161 01:08:57,222 --> 01:09:02,018 Oh, jeez, it just started with... 1162 01:09:03,687 --> 01:09:07,524 just this little notion, it was just a notion. 1163 01:09:08,775 --> 01:09:13,363 People should be a little more free. 1164 01:09:14,906 --> 01:09:16,825 Yeah. 1165 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:20,745 And out of that... 1166 01:09:24,207 --> 01:09:26,710 we built this thing... 1167 01:09:28,503 --> 01:09:30,463 out of cases. 1168 01:09:31,381 --> 01:09:35,260 Yes. Battles. 1169 01:09:37,012 --> 01:09:41,933 Plenty of laughs. Plenty... 1170 01:09:45,645 --> 01:09:46,938 What we built... 1171 01:09:48,440 --> 01:09:51,276 I take it out at night... 1172 01:09:54,154 --> 01:09:55,864 and I look at it, Danny. 1173 01:09:56,531 --> 01:10:01,286 Look. It sings to me. 1174 01:10:05,582 --> 01:10:07,292 Is-- is that it? 1175 01:10:09,336 --> 01:10:11,296 Was that what I came to hear? 1176 01:10:33,985 --> 01:10:35,737 Remember how it ends? 1177 01:10:46,623 --> 01:10:47,707 Oh, Danny. 1178 01:10:54,672 --> 01:10:56,758 Well, you know the rest. 1179 01:10:58,385 --> 01:11:03,139 That's the lowest, shabbiest trick... 1180 01:11:04,682 --> 01:11:07,519 in all the 23 years we've been together. 1181 01:11:07,602 --> 01:11:09,354 Twenty-four. 1182 01:11:12,315 --> 01:11:15,360 You know Will Dunn isn't gonna vote for this. 1183 01:11:15,443 --> 01:11:16,361 You know that. 1184 01:11:24,661 --> 01:11:26,871 I'll come back to see you tomorrow night 1185 01:11:26,955 --> 01:11:28,998 when we can have a real visit. 1186 01:11:30,417 --> 01:11:33,294 And you enjoy these chocolates. 1187 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,589 And if anyone tries to take them away, 1188 01:11:36,965 --> 01:11:39,426 you tell them that the highest court in the land 1189 01:11:39,509 --> 01:11:42,762 says you have a constitutional right... 1190 01:11:45,181 --> 01:11:48,393 to eat every la-- last one. 1191 01:12:16,337 --> 01:12:20,717 -Wait. -Hello. 1192 01:12:24,095 --> 01:12:26,431 You like that picture that I was drawing? 1193 01:12:26,514 --> 01:12:27,515 Mm-hmm. 1194 01:12:34,230 --> 01:12:36,441 I'm gonna be right back, all right? 1195 01:12:39,861 --> 01:12:41,571 Hey, Jenny, how did it come out? 1196 01:12:41,654 --> 01:12:42,697 Can I see? 1197 01:12:42,780 --> 01:12:45,909 Hi. It's nice to meet you. 1198 01:12:49,829 --> 01:12:51,164 I also drew this. 1199 01:12:51,247 --> 01:12:53,291 I have to find another sticker for it. 1200 01:12:58,463 --> 01:13:00,465 She surely is a beauty. 1201 01:13:01,633 --> 01:13:03,134 She has your eyes. 1202 01:13:04,302 --> 01:13:06,137 You don't sound mad. 1203 01:13:06,888 --> 01:13:10,475 Marley, look at me. Do I look mad? 1204 01:13:11,226 --> 01:13:12,519 You don't look happy. 1205 01:13:12,769 --> 01:13:15,480 My work is on my mind. It's not about you. 1206 01:13:15,772 --> 01:13:19,651 That's why I've come. It's about your case. 1207 01:13:19,901 --> 01:13:21,110 Do you think I come for money? 1208 01:13:21,194 --> 01:13:22,862 That would be okay, if you need some. 1209 01:13:22,946 --> 01:13:24,572 -Do you? -No, sir. 1210 01:13:28,785 --> 01:13:31,579 -She's super smart. -Hmm. 1211 01:13:31,663 --> 01:13:32,705 You can see her eyes, 1212 01:13:32,789 --> 01:13:33,998 they're real quick with everything. 1213 01:13:34,082 --> 01:13:35,792 She showed me her dolls. 1214 01:13:37,293 --> 01:13:39,879 I'm gonna send her some she doesn't have, 1215 01:13:40,213 --> 01:13:41,548 if I can find any. 1216 01:13:42,674 --> 01:13:44,092 I'm glad you met her. 1217 01:13:44,884 --> 01:13:46,553 That's not why I've come. 1218 01:13:47,762 --> 01:13:48,972 I know that. 1219 01:13:50,890 --> 01:13:52,767 Back then it was legal not to have them, 1220 01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:54,561 and I wasn't gonna have her. 1221 01:13:55,812 --> 01:13:59,023 -Did they tell you that part? -Yes. 1222 01:13:59,107 --> 01:14:00,942 Had there been room at this clinic, 1223 01:14:01,025 --> 01:14:03,903 or if I had enough money to go to a regular hospital, 1224 01:14:04,237 --> 01:14:05,280 it'd been too late. 1225 01:14:05,363 --> 01:14:07,949 -You understand? -Yes. 1226 01:14:08,032 --> 01:14:09,409 And you're not mad? 1227 01:14:09,492 --> 01:14:11,619 -Mad we were lucky? -No. 1228 01:14:12,078 --> 01:14:14,122 Mad 'cause if your lawyer don't call my doctor 1229 01:14:14,205 --> 01:14:16,541 when he does, I'd have let her go. 1230 01:14:17,542 --> 01:14:20,253 The only reason I didn't was for the money. 1231 01:14:21,004 --> 01:14:23,798 You blessed us with a baby. 1232 01:14:24,382 --> 01:14:26,134 And for that we will always be grateful. 1233 01:14:26,217 --> 01:14:29,554 -Do you understand that? -Don't change the law back. 1234 01:14:31,848 --> 01:14:33,433 Don't make it legal. 1235 01:14:34,809 --> 01:14:37,478 You go in that room and you look at her. 1236 01:14:38,646 --> 01:14:43,818 You really look at her. Don't you know she's perfect? 1237 01:14:48,906 --> 01:14:51,242 You think of every moment you ever had with her, 1238 01:14:51,534 --> 01:14:55,830 every birthday, little dance recitals. 1239 01:14:55,913 --> 01:14:57,206 Does she do those? 1240 01:14:59,876 --> 01:15:03,504 -They're so very sweet at those. -Hmm. 1241 01:15:06,341 --> 01:15:09,594 You think of every kiss goodnight you almost never had. 1242 01:15:09,677 --> 01:15:10,845 Can you do that? 1243 01:15:11,512 --> 01:15:14,265 And you think of every moment you're gonna have yet. 1244 01:15:14,766 --> 01:15:17,810 Her graduation, when she's worked so hard. 1245 01:15:18,394 --> 01:15:20,229 Her big happy wedding and-- 1246 01:15:20,897 --> 01:15:23,608 and her first baby with those big eyes of her's. 1247 01:15:25,610 --> 01:15:28,404 Would you let anyone come and take that away? 1248 01:15:29,113 --> 01:15:32,283 Would you rip their heart out with your own hands? 1249 01:15:35,161 --> 01:15:38,665 And even if you weren't deserving... 1250 01:15:40,333 --> 01:15:43,252 if you weren't loving, which I know you are, 1251 01:15:43,336 --> 01:15:48,257 but if you were like me, you could scarcely be worse. 1252 01:15:49,050 --> 01:15:51,010 Don't say that, please. 1253 01:15:51,844 --> 01:15:55,431 Still, it'd be your duty from God to protect her... 1254 01:15:56,599 --> 01:15:59,644 because she owns her own self. 1255 01:16:00,103 --> 01:16:04,649 And her life isn't yours to give away. 1256 01:16:38,516 --> 01:16:40,017 These are the guys in your court. 1257 01:16:40,101 --> 01:16:41,477 -Can you tell? -Mm-hmm. 1258 01:16:41,686 --> 01:16:43,187 This is the lady with the long hair 1259 01:16:43,271 --> 01:16:45,398 -and the pretty dangly earrings. -That's right. 1260 01:16:45,606 --> 01:16:48,818 -Does she have long hair? -No, but she could. 1261 01:16:48,901 --> 01:16:51,112 -I would. -I know. 1262 01:16:51,195 --> 01:16:53,614 And this is you. Right here. 1263 01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:55,992 Oh, but I-- I have to sit at the end. 1264 01:16:56,075 --> 01:16:57,618 They don't let me sit in the middle. 1265 01:16:57,952 --> 01:17:00,955 -Who does? -The Chief. 1266 01:17:01,956 --> 01:17:04,208 And down here watching is Mommy, 1267 01:17:04,292 --> 01:17:06,878 and me with my yellow bow, and Marley. 1268 01:17:07,295 --> 01:17:10,423 She gets to come, even though she's not my real mother. 1269 01:17:11,132 --> 01:17:12,258 Your real mother is the one 1270 01:17:12,341 --> 01:17:14,010 who loves and cares for you, right? 1271 01:17:14,093 --> 01:17:15,386 Right. 1272 01:17:15,887 --> 01:17:16,888 This is for you. 1273 01:17:16,971 --> 01:17:19,098 Oh, thank you. I'll put it in my office. 1274 01:17:19,599 --> 01:17:21,517 You can sign it for me and everything. 1275 01:17:24,270 --> 01:17:27,565 -Was it weird meeting Marley? -She was scared. 1276 01:17:27,940 --> 01:17:29,609 She didn't know I knew about her. 1277 01:17:29,901 --> 01:17:31,527 She thinks all kids like the zoo, 1278 01:17:31,611 --> 01:17:33,738 so me and Mommy are taking her tomorrow. 1279 01:17:34,071 --> 01:17:36,407 -Good. -After the court. 1280 01:17:39,660 --> 01:17:41,037 You're coming to court? 1281 01:17:41,954 --> 01:17:43,748 Shh, it's a surprise. 1282 01:17:53,382 --> 01:17:54,759 Hello, Joseph. 1283 01:17:58,304 --> 01:18:00,139 We have conference in five minutes. 1284 01:18:00,598 --> 01:18:02,683 -Will you give me two? -Sure. 1285 01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:06,771 Henry Banks has asked me to join your opinion. 1286 01:18:09,065 --> 01:18:10,024 I can't do that. 1287 01:18:10,107 --> 01:18:11,484 Well, that's four seconds, Will. 1288 01:18:11,567 --> 01:18:13,361 You have plenty of time left over. 1289 01:18:14,153 --> 01:18:15,780 I think you're wrong, Joseph. 1290 01:18:16,781 --> 01:18:19,075 So, I've come to ask you if you'll reconsider. 1291 01:18:20,368 --> 01:18:22,787 Well, I have considered, and I've reconsidered. 1292 01:18:23,371 --> 01:18:24,831 It's about all I've been doing. 1293 01:18:25,456 --> 01:18:27,291 So, you vote your conscience and I'll vote mine 1294 01:18:27,375 --> 01:18:29,043 and we'll see how that adds up. 1295 01:18:29,544 --> 01:18:31,796 Well, it can't add up too much, you and I, 1296 01:18:32,380 --> 01:18:33,881 unless we're together. 1297 01:18:35,216 --> 01:18:37,009 So, I need to have you think it over. 1298 01:18:38,177 --> 01:18:40,596 Compromise is an important ingredient 1299 01:18:41,013 --> 01:18:42,473 in what we do here. 1300 01:18:43,057 --> 01:18:44,976 It has no place in the Bill of Rights. 1301 01:18:45,393 --> 01:18:48,855 None. Freedom is a very precious commodity. 1302 01:18:49,814 --> 01:18:51,607 It's more precious than life, 1303 01:18:52,358 --> 01:18:53,526 because it makes it worth living. 1304 01:18:53,860 --> 01:18:57,780 It's more precious than trying to win another individual case. 1305 01:18:58,406 --> 01:19:00,324 If freedom itself can be bargained, 1306 01:19:00,825 --> 01:19:04,912 than in time it surely can be bargained away in its entirety. 1307 01:19:06,330 --> 01:19:08,541 And what we sell that birthright for 1308 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:10,835 will be ashes in our mouths. 1309 01:19:12,378 --> 01:19:16,090 Any restriction on how or when a woman chooses 1310 01:19:16,549 --> 01:19:17,800 is a restriction of her freedom. 1311 01:19:18,092 --> 01:19:19,343 You realize that these provisions 1312 01:19:19,427 --> 01:19:20,636 are the only slim chance I have 1313 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,430 to get Dan and Sara on this opinion, 1314 01:19:22,513 --> 01:19:24,849 because they do care about reducing abortions. 1315 01:19:26,475 --> 01:19:29,020 I wanna win as much as you do and they do, Joseph. 1316 01:19:29,562 --> 01:19:31,856 But I'm not gonna buy votes with somebody else's freedom. 1317 01:19:31,939 --> 01:19:34,859 No, Will, you don't wanna win not quite as much as I do. 1318 01:19:37,361 --> 01:19:39,113 I don't wanna talk about freedom. 1319 01:19:40,448 --> 01:19:42,658 I wanna pass some of that freedom around. 1320 01:19:43,576 --> 01:19:46,037 And if we don't compromise here, it's not gonna happen. 1321 01:19:49,123 --> 01:19:51,083 Now this opinion, that you are walking away from, 1322 01:19:51,167 --> 01:19:53,461 is the last chance these women have, actually have, 1323 01:19:53,544 --> 01:19:55,212 to get some freedom in this case. 1324 01:19:55,796 --> 01:19:57,423 And they're not even the only ones who's freedom 1325 01:19:57,506 --> 01:19:58,841 is on the line here. 1326 01:19:59,550 --> 01:20:01,469 In fact, they're not even first on my list, 1327 01:20:01,552 --> 01:20:04,096 because they have some ability to look after themselves. 1328 01:20:04,180 --> 01:20:05,514 But you're talking about the unborn. 1329 01:20:05,598 --> 01:20:07,558 I'm talking about the children, Will! 1330 01:20:08,309 --> 01:20:10,144 The unloved, the unwanted children, 1331 01:20:10,227 --> 01:20:11,812 because that's where I live in all of this! 1332 01:20:12,021 --> 01:20:14,315 Now I may not have 30 years in the Supreme Court, 1333 01:20:14,398 --> 01:20:16,651 and I may be wearing Harlan Greene's robe, 1334 01:20:16,984 --> 01:20:18,819 but that chair out there is my seat! 1335 01:20:18,903 --> 01:20:19,904 That's my seat! 1336 01:20:19,987 --> 01:20:21,405 And those children, they have nothing! 1337 01:20:21,489 --> 01:20:24,200 They have no freedom! They have no choice! 1338 01:20:24,283 --> 01:20:25,493 They have nothing! 1339 01:20:25,576 --> 01:20:27,453 Now, you can send 'em a copy of the Bill of Rights 1340 01:20:27,536 --> 01:20:29,163 for Christmas, if they have a Christmas. 1341 01:20:29,330 --> 01:20:30,831 But I'm gonna go into that conference room, 1342 01:20:30,915 --> 01:20:33,542 and I'm gonna tear arms and legs off of those bodies, 1343 01:20:33,626 --> 01:20:36,003 and I'm gonna sell whatever it is I own to sell, 1344 01:20:36,087 --> 01:20:38,923 and I'm gonna get those kids something! 1345 01:20:39,882 --> 01:20:42,343 Even if it's just a little bit more than what they've got. 1346 01:20:48,849 --> 01:20:50,851 Sorry. I'll see you inside. 1347 01:21:45,197 --> 01:21:46,741 The honorable Chief Justice 1348 01:21:46,824 --> 01:21:48,284 and Associate Justices 1349 01:21:48,367 --> 01:21:50,619 of the Supreme Court of the United States. 1350 01:21:54,206 --> 01:21:56,125 Oyez, oyez, oyez. 1351 01:21:56,208 --> 01:21:58,711 All persons having business before the honorable, 1352 01:21:58,794 --> 01:22:00,421 the Supreme Court of the United States, 1353 01:22:00,588 --> 01:22:03,299 are admonished to draw near and give their attention, 1354 01:22:03,382 --> 01:22:05,176 for the court is now sitting. 1355 01:22:05,426 --> 01:22:09,221 God save the United States and this honorable court. 1356 01:22:26,906 --> 01:22:28,407 People are in the street as we meet 1357 01:22:28,491 --> 01:22:31,118 because honest emotion has gotten the better of them. 1358 01:22:31,702 --> 01:22:33,871 I will not have that in this room. 1359 01:22:34,497 --> 01:22:37,291 The decision of this court, in the appeal of Virginia Mapes 1360 01:22:37,374 --> 01:22:38,834 against the State of Alabama, 1361 01:22:39,126 --> 01:22:41,504 will be announced by Mr. Justice Kirkland. 1362 01:22:44,632 --> 01:22:47,510 -Last warning! Last warning. 1363 01:22:48,010 --> 01:22:51,097 Or this court will adjourn, and we'll issue our decision 1364 01:22:51,347 --> 01:22:52,932 solely in written form. 1365 01:22:54,517 --> 01:22:58,437 I'm sorry, Joseph. You go ahead now. 1366 01:23:06,237 --> 01:23:07,279 Life. 1367 01:23:09,615 --> 01:23:10,866 Choice. 1368 01:23:11,742 --> 01:23:14,537 The words we use to set ourselves against one another. 1369 01:23:15,746 --> 01:23:19,375 I am a supporter of life and of choice, 1370 01:23:19,583 --> 01:23:21,085 and so are each and every one of you. 1371 01:23:21,252 --> 01:23:23,087 And may God grant that this republic 1372 01:23:23,671 --> 01:23:25,548 always stand for both. 1373 01:23:28,968 --> 01:23:30,469 How did we come to this? 1374 01:23:32,263 --> 01:23:35,099 When both sides are right. 1375 01:23:35,975 --> 01:23:39,895 Of course, a fetus is life and life is precious. 1376 01:23:40,271 --> 01:23:42,857 And in a land that cares so much for the survival of whales 1377 01:23:42,940 --> 01:23:45,734 and owls, and so many forms of life, 1378 01:23:46,152 --> 01:23:48,237 how could we turn our backs on the truth that, 1379 01:23:48,445 --> 01:23:50,781 that a human fetus is life, 1380 01:23:50,865 --> 01:23:54,368 which is becoming, as we are, day by day. 1381 01:23:54,743 --> 01:23:56,787 And how could anyone deny that a woman's right 1382 01:23:56,871 --> 01:23:58,873 to control her body and reproductive function 1383 01:23:58,956 --> 01:24:02,459 is the most basic and elemental liberty 1384 01:24:02,626 --> 01:24:04,837 that she could seek protection of. 1385 01:24:05,713 --> 01:24:07,631 Along with the truth that each side is right, 1386 01:24:07,715 --> 01:24:12,887 comes the truth that each side is wrong. 1387 01:24:13,512 --> 01:24:15,681 Because for the convenience of its arguments, 1388 01:24:15,764 --> 01:24:19,602 each side would deny the rights of the other. 1389 01:24:20,394 --> 01:24:22,605 One more truth and we are ready to begin. 1390 01:24:23,647 --> 01:24:27,151 These two rights conflict. 1391 01:24:28,986 --> 01:24:30,321 And we must balance them, 1392 01:24:30,654 --> 01:24:33,741 which means shortchanging each right somewhere 1393 01:24:33,824 --> 01:24:36,410 to permit the exercise of the other. 1394 01:24:36,869 --> 01:24:42,291 Now this is unfair to each side, because each right is precious 1395 01:24:42,666 --> 01:24:44,460 and deserves to flourish unrestricted. 1396 01:24:44,543 --> 01:24:50,132 But since they do conflict, there is no other way. 1397 01:24:50,424 --> 01:24:52,134 We are human. 1398 01:24:52,468 --> 01:24:53,552 We are imperfect. 1399 01:24:53,969 --> 01:24:57,097 We ask your understanding of the spirit that has motivated 1400 01:24:57,473 --> 01:24:59,225 what you will hear today. 1401 01:25:00,059 --> 01:25:03,729 We begin where any balancing of rights must, drawing a line. 1402 01:25:04,146 --> 01:25:06,690 How many weeks must pass before a State is allowed 1403 01:25:06,774 --> 01:25:10,819 to prohibit the termination of pregnancy? 1404 01:25:12,738 --> 01:25:15,616 -Twenty weeks. 1405 01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,580 Now there is no airtight logic for such a decision, 1406 01:25:21,664 --> 01:25:23,415 but there are reasons. 1407 01:25:24,708 --> 01:25:27,628 We have divided the nine months of pregnancy in half, 1408 01:25:27,795 --> 01:25:30,130 and there is some symbolic significance to this. 1409 01:25:30,339 --> 01:25:33,175 A reflection of our desire to be even handed. 1410 01:25:33,342 --> 01:25:35,970 But the two halves are quite different. 1411 01:25:36,053 --> 01:25:37,763 We take judicial notice of the fact, 1412 01:25:37,846 --> 01:25:41,100 that approximately 99 percent of all abortions 1413 01:25:41,183 --> 01:25:43,269 take place in the first half. 1414 01:25:44,019 --> 01:25:49,149 And hold that this is ample time for women to make their choice. 1415 01:25:51,902 --> 01:25:56,198 In the second half, the fetus does most of its growing, 1416 01:25:56,699 --> 01:25:58,617 from a few inches to full size. 1417 01:25:59,201 --> 01:26:02,830 And it acquires the faculties of cognition and awareness, 1418 01:26:02,913 --> 01:26:04,790 which babies exhibit at birth. 1419 01:26:05,124 --> 01:26:06,250 In this second half, 1420 01:26:06,458 --> 01:26:10,754 we hold that the States may prohibit abortion, 1421 01:26:10,838 --> 01:26:12,673 except those necessary 1422 01:26:13,048 --> 01:26:15,968 to protect the life of the mother. 1423 01:26:16,635 --> 01:26:19,138 However, under no circumstances 1424 01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,349 may these women ever be considered criminals. 1425 01:26:22,433 --> 01:26:25,019 No circumstance. None. 1426 01:26:25,769 --> 01:26:27,771 Now, we know that this compromise is cold comfort 1427 01:26:27,855 --> 01:26:31,775 for those whose religious and ethical convictions hold 1428 01:26:31,859 --> 01:26:36,780 that fully valued human life begins at conception. 1429 01:26:37,656 --> 01:26:39,783 To you we can only say that this republic is founded 1430 01:26:39,867 --> 01:26:41,285 upon the right of each of us 1431 01:26:41,368 --> 01:26:44,204 to practice his or her own beliefs, 1432 01:26:44,830 --> 01:26:48,542 free from the imposition of the beliefs of others. 1433 01:26:49,084 --> 01:26:50,753 This does not mean now that this Court, 1434 01:26:50,836 --> 01:26:54,465 nor this nation, favors abortion casual or otherwise. 1435 01:26:54,548 --> 01:26:56,216 For in fact, we do not. 1436 01:26:56,759 --> 01:26:58,552 And accordingly, we hold that even during 1437 01:26:58,635 --> 01:27:00,346 the first 20 weeks of pregnancy, 1438 01:27:00,888 --> 01:27:02,973 while the woman retains her right of choice, 1439 01:27:03,057 --> 01:27:06,477 that several States may require the following, 1440 01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,103 if they so choose. 1441 01:27:09,313 --> 01:27:11,774 "First, information and counseling 1442 01:27:11,857 --> 01:27:13,692 for the mother if reasonably related 1443 01:27:13,776 --> 01:27:16,111 to the making of an informed choice. 1444 01:27:16,653 --> 01:27:18,947 This may include written and photographic materials, 1445 01:27:19,031 --> 01:27:21,867 even if distressing to the sensibilities 1446 01:27:21,950 --> 01:27:22,951 of the mother. 1447 01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:24,912 Mandatory counseling with individual 1448 01:27:24,995 --> 01:27:28,665 or group counselors prior to electing abortions, 1449 01:27:29,083 --> 01:27:30,876 with a waiting period of up to 72 hours. 1450 01:27:30,959 --> 01:27:34,963 Moreover, the State may require a written declaration, 1451 01:27:35,047 --> 01:27:40,427 by the mother, that this choice is made knowingly and freely." 1452 01:27:40,886 --> 01:27:45,641 The choice should be free, but not easy. 1453 01:27:45,849 --> 01:27:48,018 Because easy can mean heedless. 1454 01:27:48,477 --> 01:27:50,104 It used to be easier in this country 1455 01:27:50,187 --> 01:27:52,898 to get an abortion than to get a driver's license, 1456 01:27:53,107 --> 01:27:56,068 and this desensitizes all of us to the gravity of this choice. 1457 01:27:56,151 --> 01:27:58,737 All of us including the mother. 1458 01:27:59,405 --> 01:28:00,823 Which brings us... 1459 01:28:02,658 --> 01:28:05,369 to the most important part of this decision. 1460 01:28:06,578 --> 01:28:08,580 Because there is one party in interest 1461 01:28:09,415 --> 01:28:11,792 claimed by both sides in this dispute, 1462 01:28:11,875 --> 01:28:15,796 and truly first with no one. 1463 01:28:17,464 --> 01:28:18,549 Until now. 1464 01:28:21,093 --> 01:28:25,097 Pro-life, pro-choice, but where is the movement 1465 01:28:25,180 --> 01:28:27,808 that declares itself pro-child? 1466 01:28:28,142 --> 01:28:30,853 One-half million children in this country 1467 01:28:31,311 --> 01:28:34,273 are in institutional and foster care, 1468 01:28:34,773 --> 01:28:36,358 because our present adoption system 1469 01:28:36,442 --> 01:28:40,320 can only place approximately 30,000 each year, 1470 01:28:40,404 --> 01:28:44,116 so every year the unwanted, the unadopted, 1471 01:28:44,199 --> 01:28:45,826 the unloved grows! 1472 01:28:47,119 --> 01:28:49,037 Imagine what criminalizing abortion would do 1473 01:28:49,121 --> 01:28:50,497 to those numbers. 1474 01:28:51,123 --> 01:28:53,125 One child to every five in this country 1475 01:28:53,208 --> 01:28:55,085 is living in poverty. 1476 01:28:55,919 --> 01:28:58,422 Imagine the numbers for those unwanted. 1477 01:29:00,841 --> 01:29:02,217 Now, we have States eager to regulate 1478 01:29:02,301 --> 01:29:04,344 and restrict abortion and to eliminate funding 1479 01:29:04,428 --> 01:29:06,054 of abortions for the destitute. 1480 01:29:06,555 --> 01:29:08,474 And this results in bringing into this world 1481 01:29:08,557 --> 01:29:10,476 innocent children in whom all too often, 1482 01:29:10,559 --> 01:29:13,854 such States immediately lose all interest. 1483 01:29:14,146 --> 01:29:16,273 We find today that they cannot. 1484 01:29:16,857 --> 01:29:19,151 Each State must accept responsibility 1485 01:29:19,234 --> 01:29:21,111 to so protect these children. 1486 01:29:21,195 --> 01:29:23,655 It must, and believe me from this day forward, it will! 1487 01:29:23,739 --> 01:29:26,617 We are placing the suffering of unwanted children 1488 01:29:26,700 --> 01:29:28,911 -on the agenda of this court today! 1489 01:29:28,994 --> 01:29:32,915 Right up front where it belongs. Get out your pencils. 1490 01:29:36,835 --> 01:29:41,006 "For the reasons given above, we find the Alabama statute, 1491 01:29:41,089 --> 01:29:43,759 in which Virginia Mapes conviction is based, 1492 01:29:44,176 --> 01:29:47,095 to have deprived her of liberty without due process of law 1493 01:29:47,179 --> 01:29:48,639 under the Fourteenth Amendment. 1494 01:29:48,972 --> 01:29:51,558 And said conviction is hereby reversed." 1495 01:29:54,603 --> 01:29:56,313 "In strict conformity-- 1496 01:29:57,314 --> 01:29:59,942 In strict conformity with the guidelines given above, 1497 01:30:00,025 --> 01:30:02,861 Alabama shall have the right, so described, 1498 01:30:02,945 --> 01:30:06,698 to regulate abortion, but only as a part 1499 01:30:07,032 --> 01:30:09,868 of a comprehensive plan of child care, 1500 01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:14,456 necessary to provide the children of said state 1501 01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:16,875 with the rights guaranteed to them 1502 01:30:17,167 --> 01:30:20,212 under the equal protection and due process clauses 1503 01:30:20,837 --> 01:30:23,799 of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution 1504 01:30:24,758 --> 01:30:26,510 of the United States. 1505 01:30:27,469 --> 01:30:29,137 The State's right to protect the life of a fetus 1506 01:30:29,221 --> 01:30:31,181 must be matched by a responsibility 1507 01:30:31,265 --> 01:30:34,226 to protect the child that that fetus becomes." 1508 01:30:34,893 --> 01:30:36,853 Caring for children does cost money. 1509 01:30:37,104 --> 01:30:40,274 And throwing public money around is not itself an answer. 1510 01:30:40,857 --> 01:30:44,570 And cost control is high on our list of problems 1511 01:30:44,653 --> 01:30:46,196 to be creatively addressed. 1512 01:30:46,738 --> 01:30:49,533 Hard and controversial work lies ahead. 1513 01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,496 The States can respond to this decision 1514 01:30:54,955 --> 01:30:57,583 with resentment and resistance. 1515 01:30:57,666 --> 01:31:00,085 Or they can work with this court 1516 01:31:00,669 --> 01:31:02,963 to find practical and sensible solutions 1517 01:31:03,255 --> 01:31:06,800 for the protection and care of innocent children 1518 01:31:06,883 --> 01:31:08,093 who cannot help themselves. 1519 01:31:08,260 --> 01:31:12,556 I say to these states, test not our will in this. 1520 01:31:13,765 --> 01:31:15,058 But our good will. 1521 01:31:16,893 --> 01:31:19,563 Let's show the people that we can make something work. 1522 01:31:22,107 --> 01:31:23,442 And I am joined in this opinion 1523 01:31:23,525 --> 01:31:27,321 by Justices Morrisey, Banks, Brandwynne. 1524 01:31:27,613 --> 01:31:30,365 And Mister Justice William Dunn. 1525 01:31:33,702 --> 01:31:36,913 I know the difficulties of undertaking 1526 01:31:36,997 --> 01:31:38,707 such an ambitious decision 1527 01:31:38,999 --> 01:31:40,876 with a majority of only five votes. 1528 01:31:41,126 --> 01:31:42,586 Six votes. 1529 01:31:44,087 --> 01:31:45,380 Seven. 1530 01:31:47,591 --> 01:31:49,718 He's new. He doesn't know we don't do this. 1531 01:31:56,475 --> 01:31:58,810 Benjamin, do you have any surprises for me 1532 01:31:58,894 --> 01:32:01,396 or are you still dissenting at this date? 1533 01:32:02,272 --> 01:32:07,444 Yes, I am. Unpopular as it may be. 1534 01:32:11,031 --> 01:32:14,993 "Today with sincere and humane motivation, 1535 01:32:15,327 --> 01:32:19,039 this court flouts several principles of law. 1536 01:32:19,331 --> 01:32:22,584 More disturbing still is the seeming re-conception 1537 01:32:22,668 --> 01:32:25,462 of this court's function and role in the conduct 1538 01:32:25,545 --> 01:32:28,382 of our constitutional democracy. 1539 01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,510 We have today assumed a burden. 1540 01:32:32,219 --> 01:32:36,306 A burden to right wrongs created not by constitution 1541 01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:39,267 nor statutes, but by a society 1542 01:32:39,351 --> 01:32:42,854 that disregards the sanctity of life..." 117566

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