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This programme deals with
Eating Disorders
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In August 2013, Belle Gibson
launched The Whole Pantry,
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a book, an app, and a website,
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in which she claimed that healthy
eating had cured her condition.
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It was five years ago I was
diagnosed with terminal cancer.
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It's been hard.
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Belle Gibson was the Queen Bee
of Wellness.
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People worshipped her.
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I was deeply invested
in what she was saying,
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because it was just
such an amazing story.
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This is the story of the rise
and fall of one of Instagram's first
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super influencers,
told by those she influenced...
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Maybe SHE'S got the right idea,
maybe I'M doing it all wrong.
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I'm dying, and she's out there,
living her best life.
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...and those who sought the truth.
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I just was immediately suspicious
about her claim
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about this brain tumour.
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You just don't live with something
like that for five years,
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without having
some kind of treatment.
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I am not lying.
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He definitely told me that
my brain tumour is still present,
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and that I have
new and secondary cancers.
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In 2013, the world first met
wellness influencer Belle Gibson,
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who attracted a huge global online
following with her brave story.
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A young, beautiful woman
gets given the terrible news
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she has inoperable brain cancer,
and only four months to live.
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The courageous Belle Gibson tries
chemotherapy, but no luck,
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so turns to alternative medicine
to battle the disease.
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Belle shared her incredible story,
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of living for years
with terminal cancer, on Instagram.
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Her adoring audience was inspired
by her every post.
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It looked like, even if you weren't
going through cancer treatment,
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that you would still want to
live that lifestyle.
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Everything was bright and glossy.
An amazing style about her
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that was very engaging and
very appealing.
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It just all looked great.
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I was in complete awe of this woman.
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She was incredibly open and honest.
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She was unafraid to be vulnerable
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and be very explicit
about her experience.
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She had this incredible story that
was something that I could perhaps
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relate to, in a way,
with my own health issues.
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She took her own wellbeing
into her hands, and it worked,
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and she transformed her life
from it.
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When Maxine Ali began
secondary school,
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she was diagnosed with the chronic
illness ulcerative colitis.
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I got so unwell that, eventually,
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I wasn't able to go to school
any more,
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I wasn't able to participate
in the normal things
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that most 12-year-olds are doing
at that time.
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Immediately after I was diagnosed,
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I was put on a whole bunch
of medication, including steroids.
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I kind of experienced some of
the physical side effects
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that come from steroids,
such as weight gain, erm,
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bloating of the face,
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and when I was eventually
well enough to go back to school,
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my physical appearance had changed
quite considerably.
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All of my friends no longer
wanted to be seen with me,
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or associated with me, because I was
the weird one that stuck out.
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The way I was being treated
while I was on medication
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was so unbearable for me
that I decided to stop
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using conventional medicine,
and try and find a natural way
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to heal myself.
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Seeing someone like Belle
heal themselves through food
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made me feel hopeful, it made me
feel like this was the answer
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to everything
that I had been looking for.
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The foundations of Belle's
radical approach,
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healing illness through diet,
were laid over 50 years ago.
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There's a word you don't hear
every day.
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It means exactly
what you might think it means -
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the opposite of illness.
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It's a movement that is catching on
all over the country,
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among doctors, nurses and others
concerned with medical care.
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Wellness is really the ultimate
in something called self-care,
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in which patients are taught
to diagnose common illnesses,
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and, where possible,
to treat themselves.
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Wellness was born in 1960s
California, where a generation
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of young Americans experimented
with Eastern mysticism,
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mind-expanding drugs, and
back-to-nature living.
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In wellness, you are the leader.
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You're your own guru,
and you're the perfect person
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that is trying to make your life
better and more full.
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Before long, wellness shed
its alternative roots,
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growing with exercise fads,
spa tourism and diet crazes.
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Wellness had reached the mainstream.
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Alongside attempts to encourage
all of us to look after our health
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a little better is a booming
wellness industry,
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claimed to be worth $4.2 trillion
a year.
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Wellness found a home on social
media, encouraged by celebrities,
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who posted their aspirational
lifestyles,
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full of wellness practices.
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What if I told you the best place
to begin is within?
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It was at this point that Belle
started posting
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about her wellness journey.
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I get out of bed for what we do.
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We really believe
that we're changing people's lives.
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We just want to go, hey, maybe eat,
you know, some more fruits
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and vegetables, move your body
a little more,
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drink a little bit more water.
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Inspired by Belle,
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Pixie Turner took to Instagram
to spread the wellness message.
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{\an8}Everyone was using overhead shots,
so I did the same...
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...and the more I did that,
the more it paid off.
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And then I'd spend the next hour
just refreshing
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and refreshing Instagram,
watching the likes come in.
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I loved getting all those likes.
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The first time I got over a thousand
likes on a picture,
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I was so happy.
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Pixie's wellness journey began
when she was advised to see
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a cardiologist, following
a health scare in the family.
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When I was 19 years old,
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I was told that my cholesterol
was too high,
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I should follow some lifestyle
changes, if I wanted to,
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and come back in a year.
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If it was still high,
I would have to go on statins
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for the rest of my life.
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I did not want to do that.
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I went and did the most obvious
thing to me, at the time.
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I went straight to Dr Google,
started typing.
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I found Belle Gibson,
and this wellness community,
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that was very focused
on taking charge of your own health.
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It was very empowering,
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and on top of that,
it was very visually appealing.
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And in between that, there were
these pictures of these people
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who looked so healthy,
and happy, and shiny,
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and if I need to eat that food
to look like that,
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I'm going to do it.
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Like hundreds of thousands
of others, Pixie and Maxine
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started using the first wellness app
in the world, The Whole Pantry,
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designed by Belle Gibson.
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It was offering this kind of
tool kit for people
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to follow her lifestyle.
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So there were these really,
really stunning recipes.
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There was something very serene
about the app.
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I hadn't seen anyone do anything
like that,
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and, to me, I saw that as just
a continuation of her wanting
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to share something with the world
that was valuable,
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and that people wanted.
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I saw it as very selfless for her
to share all of this with people.
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I thought she must be
a really kind person.
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Belle Gibson is a mother,
a businesswoman,
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and she's also living
with brain cancer.
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I mean, why this app?
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When Belle went on breakfast TV
to promote the app,
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she was admired by the hosts.
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And you're quite inspirational.
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I wouldn't mind betting that that's
a fair bit behind all of this,
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as well...
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They were visibly moved
by her seemingly inspiring story.
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We really believe that we've
revolutionised, erm, something
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that people are becoming
increasingly interested
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and invested in,
which is health and wellness.
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For a person living
with brain cancer,
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might I add,
you look incredibly healthy.
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Having funded the award-winning app
herself,
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now Apple invited Belle
to California.
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They wanted to adapt
The Whole Pantry for their
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soon-to-be-launched Apple Watch.
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It was five years ago I was
diagnosed with terminal cancer,
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and we launched The Whole Pantry
a year ago.
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That evolution came through
my community.
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They kept reaching out to me,
saying, you know,
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how are we going to, you know,
live the whole life
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without resources, or without
something pulling that all together?
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So that was my responsibility.
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The Whole Pantry was about
more than just healthy living.
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It was also about giving back.
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A portion of each app sale was
donated to charitable causes
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Belle was passionate about.
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We really believe that
we're changing people's lives,
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and we have a giving-back end
of the company as well,
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with your app download transfers
into community donation,
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so that's everything from funding
medical support for children
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that are living with cancer,
to building schools in Sierra Leone.
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It just reinforced what I already
knew about her,
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which is that she is selfless,
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she's not doing this
for her own personal gain,
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she's trying to help people,
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and this was just another
way of her doing that.
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In Belle's hometown of Melbourne,
mum-of-three Kylie Wyllie
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had a successful
personal training business.
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I was getting ready for
my best friend's wedding.
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I was maid of honour,
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so there was lots of excitement
around that.
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I had had some chest pain,
which was unusual.
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My husband and friend talked me
into going to the doctor,
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to have it investigated.
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So I went down to the local centre,
and I had a scan,
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and the first one was just
an ultrasound of my armpits,
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and I had MRIs and CT scans.
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I was driving to the rehearsal
dinner, and the doctor called me,
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and she said, "I need you to come
in to, come in to the clinic
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"and see me". I said,
"Well, it's just not possible,
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"I'll have to see you on Monday.
I can't come in".
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And she said, "Well, I hate
to do this over the phone,
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"but you have lymphoma.
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"You have cancer".
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We got through the wedding,
and the whole time, I just remember
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being in this surreal, like,
"Holy shit!"
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Like, "How is this, like, my,
my life right now?
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"Like, what,
what's going to happen?"
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And that night, on the Sunday,
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the lymph nodes had enlarged
so much,
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I was having trouble breathing,
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cos they were pushing up pressure
on my neck.
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I couldn't lift my arms up,
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and so I was taken via ambulance
to the Alfred Hospital,
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where I started treatment.
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I guess the reality really set in
about the severity of the diagnosis
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is when the doctor said to me,
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"You need to get
your affairs in order".
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And I remember looking at him,
thinking, you have to be kidding.
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I was diagnosed, like,
five seconds ago.
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How are you even, how am
I down for the count already?
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Like, give me a chance
to fight it first.
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After six months of treatment
in hospital,
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Kylie's health wasn't improving.
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I was having daily chemo,
I had no hair,
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and I'd had 17 lumbar punctures.
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I was like, you're not making me
better, you're making me worse.
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You're killing me.
Like, why am I even doing this?
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My beautiful girlfriend, Suzy, came
to visit me, and she said to me,
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"Have you heard about this girl,
Belle Gibson?"
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"She's got brain cancer, and,
you know, she's doing really well".
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OK, this is interesting.
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Maybe SHE'S got the right idea,
maybe I'M doing it all wrong.
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I'm dying on the inside, getting
worse with every single treatment,
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I look horrendous,
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and she's out there,
living her best life.
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Interested in finding out
more about her lifestyle,
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Kylie bought Belle's newly released
wellness book.
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So, in the front page of the book,
Belle writes about her own story.
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"I pulled myself out of chemo
and radiotherapy.
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"My doctors freaked out,
but they couldn't stop me.
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"I was empowering myself
to save my own life
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"through nutrition, patience,
determination and love".
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I wanted to be just like Belle,
beautiful,
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and she was successful,
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she was inspiring to so many people.
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She was what the ultimate goal was,
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to be like Belle Gibson.
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Now, we've forgiven the avocado
for its high fat content,
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and deemed it a superfood.
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But can the food we eat
really clean our bodies
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and make us feel well?
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With her book and app,
Belle advocated clean eating
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to help heal the body,
which meant restricting your diet.
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Clean eating was a phrase
that the wellness community
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really latched on to,
and really used a lot,
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the idea that we needed to clean up
the way that we were eating.
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I mean, everyone knows
that vegetables are good for you,
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fruit is good for you,
plants are good for you.
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It made sense, the idea
that all these processed foods,
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and these various ingredients
that we were eating
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were not good for us.
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It was so simple
and it made so much sense.
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In pursuit of clean eating,
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Pixie's diet became
more and more restricted.
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So in my fridge now,
I've got various animal products,
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things that I definitely
would not have eaten,
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anything with any kind of meat
in it.
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Definitely not. Er, we've got pasta,
that's got gluten.
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Hell no. That's not allowed.
No way.
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Anything with dairy, so, you know,
whether that is, that's cream,
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it's cheese, cream cheese,
hard cheese, soft cheese.
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None of this is OK.
All of this has gone.
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I mean, it seems harmless,
but because it's prepared,
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and it's in a package,
I would not have eaten this.
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Also this one has cream in it,
so definitely a big no-no.
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And, on paper, someone might say,
you know, that seems really healthy,
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like, that, to me, is the epitome
of, like, a healthy thing.
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It's got more than five ingredients.
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That means it's processed,
and you're not allowed it.
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And what's the idea behind that?
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Someone on the internet made it up,
and it became a thing.
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Because the idea is,
if it has five or more ingredients,
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it's probably a processed food,
and therefore it's a bad food,
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because it's processed.
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And, finally,
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we have wine.
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Alcohol wasn't really a thing
of wellness,
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because it's completely
devoid of nutrients,
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and also, when you drink wine,
or you drink alcohol,
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it doesn't allow you to wake up
feeling fresh the next morning,
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ready to have your,
you know, your spin class,
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and your smoothie for breakfast.
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I mean, I was at the end
of my first year of uni
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when I got into wellness,
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so whilst a lot of my friends
and colleagues were going out
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and drinking, I was only,
only very occasionally
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going along with them,
and I wouldn't drink that much.
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Usually something really simple,
not wine.
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After nine months of chemotherapy,
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Kylie was struggling to cope with
treatment for her lymphoma.
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I'd had enough of all of the poking
and prodding and the constant scans.
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I wasn't getting any better.
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I was getting worse.
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I was done and...
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...I can remember my husband, you
know, waking me up
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to take me to The Alfred and he
would get up before me.
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He would put my pillow in the car,
my blanket,
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then he would wake me last minute
and take me.
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And I sat at the door of the
house.
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I'm just like, "I'm done. I'm not
doing it.
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"I'm not going any more. I do not
want another lumbar puncture.
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"I don't want it. We need to talk
about other treatments.
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"I can't do this any more."
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The chemo wasn't for me. It wasn't
working for me
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that I should come off it and try,
you know, the clean eating.
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I was desperate. My life had totally
changed
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and she appeared to be doing
everything right.
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And I felt like I was doing
everything wrong.
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I felt like I was sucked into this
process
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that wasn't working for me.
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So I felt like,
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"No, I need to give this a go to see
if this works."
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She was saying that what she was
doing was curing her cancer.
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It was making it better and...
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...I had her there to look at.
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I had her on my phone and she was in
magazines
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and she was on the news and she was
being reported, so...
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...I trusted her.
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I trusted everybody that supported
her.
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Wanting to follow Belle's eating
regime,
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Kylie began messaging her directly
on Instagram.
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When I sent her a message, it was
after she'd had another procedure
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and I remember just, you know,
sending her good wishes
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and, you know, "I hope you're going
to be OK",
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and, "My thoughts and hopes are with
you,"
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"Sending all, you know, positive
vibes",
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and she replied, thanking me for my
kind wishes.
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I was telling people, "I spoke to
Belle Gibson."
333
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"She replied to my message",
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like, and I'd be all that.
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I felt like we were probably
opening,
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you know, the lines of communication
and probably would chat more about,
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you know, her journey and my
journey and...
338
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...yeah, I was pretty chuffed at the
fact that she replied to my message.
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I wanted to be her friend.
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In July 2014, Belle posted this
picture on Instagram,
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with a caption explaining how her
cancer had spread
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and it wasn't a good prognosis.
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With frustration and ache in my
heart,
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my beautiful game-changing
community.
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It hurts me to find space tonight,
to let you all know,
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with love and strength,
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that I've been diagnosed with a
third and fourth cancer.
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I have cancer in my blood, spleen,
brain, uterus and liver.
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I am hurting.
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I can still see it so clearly in my
mind, that post and that caption,
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because I just remember feeling so
devastated for her.
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Like, how can this happen to
somebody who's worked so hard,
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who's achieved all of this, who's
such a great person?
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It just seemed really unfair.
355
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If brain cancer wasn't bad enough,
and now, she's copping this
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and this poor, beautiful woman
that,
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you know, was just trying to live
her best life and...
358
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...I felt so sad for her.
359
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Belle's devoted followers poured
out their love and support
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for her on social media,
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but her claims were so extraordinary
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that some had started to doubt her
story.
363
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Around 2005, my wife Susan was
diagnosed with breast cancer,
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{\an8}and I recall very vividly...
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{\an8}...the feeling of powerlessness that
we both had
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and you want to have some sense of
control over this illness
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and not it just being in the hands
of a doctor
368
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and how desperate you can feel...
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So desperate that you'll go down the
Google rabbit hole
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and look into all sorts of
alternative practices
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and you get into this bewildering
kind of situation of who do I trust?
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INTERVIEWER: What's the first thing
that comes into your mind
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when you hear the name,
"Belle Gibson"?
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The first thing that comes into my
mind is...
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...my meeting with Belle Gibson in
February 2015,
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when I sat down to interview her in
a cafe.
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I had been writing about the
wellness phenomenon since 2012,
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and then, I came across Belle
Gibson's claims online
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and I was just immediately intrigued
by them.
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Because I'd written about the
wellness industry
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and had interviewed a range of
cancer specialists,
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I just was immediately suspicious
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about her claim about this brain
tumour.
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You just don't live with something
like that for five years
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without having some kind of
treatment.
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As far as I could tell in the
mainstream media
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no-one had really thought to raise
any questions
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about this narrative that she had
put forward.
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I said to my editor, "Look, there's
something that just doesn't add up.
390
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"I mean, she's claiming that she's
got this malignant brain tumour
391
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"and four other cancers and she
looks like a million dollars.
392
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"I think we just dig into this a
bit."
393
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One of the first things I noticed
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when I began delving into Belle's
story was that on social media
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she'd had enormous attention for the
past 18 months,
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but prior to that, it was almost
as if she didn't exist.
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It appeared that she had erased
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parts of her online history prior to
2014.
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That just really intrigued me
because the obvious question is,
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why would you do that?
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And so, I began doing intensive
searches of Google
402
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to try and find any trace of her
before 2014.
403
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And that's when I came across this
skateboard chat forum from 2009,
404
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where there was this young woman
called Belle Gibson,
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who was nothing like the Belle
Gibson of The Whole Pantry.
406
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She was this 17-year-old
trash-talking skater girl.
407
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And to be honest, initially, I
thought,
408
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"Well, this can't possibly be Belle
Gibson."
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You know, there must be just two
Belle Gibsons
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because apart from anything else,
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Belle Gibson was supposedly 20 years
old in 2009, not 17.
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I came across this post,
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where she talked about how she'd had
this tattoo done.
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And I suddenly realised, like, this
is her,
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because the tattoo she described
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is the tattoo that Belle Gibson has
on her arm.
417
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Not only had Belle been lying about
her age,
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as Richard continued to research her
past,
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he found further worrying
inconsistencies.
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In the course of burrowing into this
skateboarding chat forum,
421
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I came across these posts where she
claimed to be...
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...writing from a hospital bed in
Hollywood Private Hospital in Perth,
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and to be recovering from open-heart
surgery.
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And she was claiming that she'd died
on the operating table
425
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and been resuscitated.
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I mean, it was supposedly written in
real time,
427
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while she was in hospital.
428
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She was describing the chapel that
she went to pray in.
429
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And as with her Whole Pantry
Facebook page,
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the reaction from all of these
people on the skate forum
431
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was one of, you know, extraordinary
drama and, you know,
432
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"My God, Belle! Are you OK?"
433
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And, you know, "That's terrible!"
434
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And, you know, "Should I send you
some flowers?"
435
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,560
It was kind of a mirror image of
what was on the Whole Pantry page
436
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but it was five years earlier and a
younger incarnation of her
437
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making these extraordinary, and
frankly, highly unlikely claims
438
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about a medical emergency.
439
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:33,360
The other thing was there was no
mention on this skateboarding forum
440
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about this malignant brain tumour
that she supposedly had.
441
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Richard wasn't the only person
sceptical about Belle's story.
442
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Online, others were raising doubts
too.
443
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Penguin, the publishers of Belle's
book,
444
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had also started to notice
discrepancies in her story.
445
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Marie Claire said today, um...
446
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,360
"You really have changed the whole
market for food apps,
447
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,840
"Because now, it's like a trend.
Everyone wants to do one."
448
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,320
I'm like, I know.
449
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,640
To prepare Belle for journalists and
their probing questions,
450
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they gave her media coaching.
451
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What we suspect might happen now
452
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is that because you are the success
story of the moment,
453
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you know what journalists do,
454
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they want to start scratch, scratch,
scratching away.
455
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,680
They already are. Yeah, exactly.
456
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And we're concerned about that.
457
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,400
Well, that's what the publicist
at Apple also said.
458
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It's like, what story do you want to
be?
459
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,280
So I'm going to ask you some of
these questions,
460
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and some of them you won't like,
but...
461
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...but that's OK cos it's just us.
Yeah.
462
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You've said that the cancer is now
in your blood and your spleen
463
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and your brain and your uterus and
your liver, that's really...
464
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It's... it's serious now, isn't it?
465
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,960
Yeah.
466
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Um...
467
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I'm going to get tested for ovarian
cancer.
468
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I no longer have cancer in my
uterus.
469
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,880
Woohoo! That's great news. Really
amazing.
470
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,640
Um... When were you told that?
471
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Um... Not long ago.
472
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,080
Yeah, that's great news. Yeah,
but...
473
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,080
...it still all feels like it sucks
down there.
474
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,600
Do you think you're dying? Yeah.
475
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,120
Do you feel like you're dying?
Yeah, and I'm fine with that.
476
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,600
And it's conflicting for a lot of
people.
477
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Like, I don't think I'm going to die
tomorrow but my body is dying.
478
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,080
Like, of course it is.
479
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:36,240
But I don't want them to know every
nitty-gritty detail.
480
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,920
After a year of following a strict
clean eating diet,
481
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,200
Maxine wasn't seeing the results
promised by wellness.
482
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,160
My health started deteriorating.
483
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,000
I was starting to feel a lot more
run-down.
484
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,520
I had lost my period,
485
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,120
and physically, I just wasn't
feeling that good any more.
486
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:07,160
I would often find myself hungry a
lot of the time,
487
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,480
creating the sort of binge cycle at
night.
488
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,200
I'd eat like maybe half a jar of
peanut butter
489
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,960
or something like that, and then,
call my mum and be like,
490
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,920
"I don't know why I can't stop
eating.
491
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,560
"I don't know what's wrong with me."
492
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,440
And she'd say, "Are you thinking
maybe it's the diet that you're on?"
493
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,560
I'd be like, "No, no, the diet's
fine, it's me."
494
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,480
I did see a doctor. And of course,
495
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,680
one of the first things they'll say
is,
496
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,000
"You need to eat more and exercise
less."
497
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,320
But of course, that is the opposite
of what society always tells you
498
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,440
you need to do in order to be
healthy,
499
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,960
so I was like, "They're talking
nonsense.
500
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,640
"Of course, I don't need to exercise
less and eat more.
501
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,080
"What I'm doing is perfectly
healthy.
502
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,120
"I'm taking care of my health, so
that's definitely not it."
503
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,200
And I just ignored their advice.
504
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,680
I definitely think there was a
frustration that I...
505
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,480
...I was doing everything -
506
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,040
I was following all the rules,
507
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,360
I had the books that all these
wellness influencers were selling
508
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,040
that would help me transform my
life.
509
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,040
And my life didn't look like that.
510
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,760
It didn't look that glamorous or
exciting.
511
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,600
I just felt like a complete failure.
512
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,760
In February 2015, Richard flew to
Melbourne to meet Belle,
513
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,400
who was doing interviews to
publicise her new book,
514
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,680
The Whole Pantry.
515
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,880
There was a certain sense of
anticipation
516
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,840
when I sat down opposite her at this
cafe of what is she going to say
517
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,360
and how much am I going to be able
to glean from her?
518
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,960
The thing that you first notice
about Belle Gibson
519
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,080
is that she just doesn't look sick
at all,
520
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,240
like she's the picture of glowing
health.
521
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,440
And the second thing you notice
about her is
522
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,560
she acts much younger than you
expect her to act.
523
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,480
I kept thinking to myself,
524
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,160
"This is the woman who's reduced
roomfuls of people to tears
525
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,080
"and has generated this almost
messianic following online."
526
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,480
And I was sitting there thinking,
527
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,520
"I just don't find you convincing."
528
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,640
I just didn't buy it.
529
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,520
As we went on, it became clear that
it was very difficult
530
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,000
to get any kind of specificity out
of her.
531
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,440
You know, she would apologise -
532
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,400
her memory was affected by her
medical condition.
533
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,400
The impression I got was that she
thinks on her feet
534
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,240
and she shifts her position as she
goes.
535
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,680
And she creates this confusion in
your mind
536
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,600
as to what it is that she's saying.
537
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,160
You're trying to pin her down, but
she keeps shifting position.
538
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,560
So, about halfway through the
interview,
539
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,640
I framed a question, which was
something along the lines of,
540
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,280
"What about these other four cancers
541
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,120
"that you were recently diagnosed
with?"
542
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,960
And she started this answer that...
543
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,560
...just seemed to go around in
circles.
544
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,320
And she was talking about the
difficulty she was having.
545
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,040
She was going to tell me something
546
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,040
that she hadn't said publicly
before.
547
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,440
It was very difficult and upsetting
for her.
548
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,400
And I was just sitting there
thinking,
549
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,360
"What... what is... Where is this
going?
550
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,000
"Like, what is she talking about?"
551
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,760
And she started telling me that the
doctor
552
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:08,440
who diagnosed her with these other
four cancers the previous year,
553
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,880
had shot through on her and she was
no longer seeing him.
554
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,440
And she now had doubts about his
bona fides.
555
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,760
And so I said to her, "Well, what
are you telling me?
556
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,600
"Are you saying that you're now not
sure...
557
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,120
"..that you've got these other four
cancers?"
558
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,120
And she said, "No."
559
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,560
I was just completely stunned that
she would backtrack
560
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,320
from this extraordinary claim that
she'd made only seven months
earlier.
561
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,600
I just walked away from that
interview
562
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,440
with, really, my head spinning.
563
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,280
I remember calling my editor from
the car and saying,
564
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,120
"You know, I just can't believe
this has happened.
565
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,120
"Belle Gibson just recanted to me,
on the record."
566
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,000
Belle had changed her story about
having secondary cancers.
567
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,800
But before he could safely go to
press,
568
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,680
Richard had to prove his theory that
Belle never had brain cancer.
569
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,040
So, I'm at my desk one day at the
office.
570
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,080
At this point, I'd been ringing
just about anybody I can
571
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,440
who knows Belle Gibson,
572
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,600
and my phone rings and it's Belle
Gibson on the phone.
573
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,240
I knew straight away that she was
really unhappy
574
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,400
about the fact that I was digging
around, as I expected she would be.
575
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,920
She, in her circuitous way, started
talking about how damaging...
576
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:30,160
...media stories can be for people
and that people who are, um...
577
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:35,400
...vulnerable can even, you know,
commit suicide sometimes,
578
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,600
if stories of a damaging nature are
published.
579
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,000
I just got off the phone and
thought, "Oh, man!", you know,
580
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,680
"She's just sort of suggested that,
if I publish this story,
581
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,200
"she's going to top herself."
582
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,680
Other journalists were on Belle's
trail, too.
583
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,760
They found that she dropped out of
school aged 15,
584
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,280
and two years later, she settled in
Melbourne just before having a son.
585
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,320
They also made a shocking discovery
about Belle's business.
586
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,120
Doubts were raised when she failed
to deliver
587
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,080
a promised $300,000 to charity.
588
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,080
{\an8}The reason that Nick Toscano and I
started looking into it
589
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,160
{\an8}was because we were tipped off.
590
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,200
We had around half a dozen people
in Belle Gibson's inner circle
591
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,720
telling us that they didn't believe
she was sick.
592
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,360
But that's a very difficult story
for a journalist to write.
593
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,600
We don't have access to people's
medical records.
594
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,520
So, we started probing her other
claims
595
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,200
and these centred around her
charitable donations.
596
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,520
So, you were effectively following
the money? That's right.
597
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,120
The news that Belle hadn't paid the
promised share of her profits
598
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,280
to charity rocked the online
wellness world,
599
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,520
attracting loyal defenders and
fierce critics.
600
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,720
Belle took to the internet to defend
her reputation.
601
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,080
I knew we had to publish
immediately,
602
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,480
we couldn't sit on what we had any
more,
603
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,240
and so I went to the news desk and
we got legal advice
604
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,600
and we went straight to the press
that day under the headline,
605
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,440
Mega-Blogger Casts Doubt On Cancer
Claims.
606
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,000
Belle's story exploded into the
public sphere,
607
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,000
and as news of her cancer fraud
spread fast,
608
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,800
it garnered a furious backlash.
609
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,240
Overnight, some of her most loyal
fans became her biggest critics.
610
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,520
I was at my girlfriend's hair salon
611
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,920
and it flicked up on my social media
that Belle Gibson had lied.
612
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,920
I just burst out straight away,
saying,
613
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,480
"Oh, my God, Belle Gibson is a
liar!"
614
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,080
I don't know, I felt betrayed and a
little bit let down by her,
615
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,200
and then, the absolute mind-blowing,
why the hell would you do that?
616
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,360
Why would you pretend to have
cancer?
617
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,520
Like...
618
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,840
...what the hell?
619
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,000
I felt like it made me look like an
idiot.
620
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,280
When the story broke,
621
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,840
those closest to Belle were
reluctant to go on the record,
622
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,480
afraid of the backlash for being
associated with her.
623
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,320
Even Belle's parents didn't publicly
support her.
624
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,080
Now, one of Belle's friends has
agreed to speak out
625
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,120
as long as she isn't identified.
626
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,640
It extremely quickly became this
very toxic story
627
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,760
and I kind of didn't want to touch
it with a ten-foot pole
628
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,880
because of how toxic it appeared
from day one.
629
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,520
Belle grew up in Wynnum, a
working-class suburb of Brisbane.
630
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,080
She claimed to have left home at age
12,
631
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,200
spending her teens living with
friends.
632
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,760
I remember the first time I ever met
Belle,
633
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,400
she looked me right in the eye
634
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,320
and she really tried to connect with
me very deeply.
635
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,360
For a 14-year-old girl, you know,
636
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,280
that was something that was really
lovely.
637
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,400
And I definitely enjoyed my time
with Belle.
638
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,720
The only catch with Belle was that
you knew that
639
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:58,920
there was nothing that she could say
that you could take at face value.
640
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,040
When she came to class in an arm
sling,
641
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,320
there was no chance it was actually
a broken arm.
642
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,960
And, you know, the next week told us
that she was a test tube baby.
643
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,400
We all kind of went, "Oh, yeah,
sure. OK, Belle."
644
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,640
We kind of all knew from the
beginning that Belle likes to lie.
645
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,800
I remember a few years ago now,
opening up Facebook
646
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,160
and seeing a video and I recognised
the face.
647
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,920
It was Belle talking about some app
that she was creating.
648
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,560
And instantly, I kind of had alarm
bells ringing
649
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,240
in the back of my mind.
650
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,880
I kind of sat there going,
651
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,480
"Has she done it again but on a
massive scale now?"
652
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,440
People's immediate reaction was
denial.
653
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,720
This can't be real, surely not.
654
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,600
And then, as I think it started
to sink in,
655
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,160
that's when the doubt creeped in and
people thought,
656
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,960
"OK, maybe she actually did lie."
657
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,600
It was five years ago I was
diagnosed with terminal cancer.
658
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,280
I don't think I'm going to die
tomorrow, but my body is dying.
659
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,960
For a person living with brain
cancer, might I add,
660
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,600
you look incredibly healthy.
661
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:15,040
{\an8}I felt incredibly gullible that I
had fallen for something
662
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,520
{\an8}that could so easily have been
disproven and was disproven.
663
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,880
How could I be so stupid?
664
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,160
It's so devastating for the
industry.
665
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,280
She was such an important figure.
666
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,080
It blows all trust out the water
with everyone's stories.
667
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,000
I felt really disappointed in
myself...
668
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,600
...for having been tricked by her.
669
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,040
I became a lot more cynical that
day.
670
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,760
It was clear that wellness was never
going to be the same.
671
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,080
Belle disappeared, purging all
traces of herself from social media.
672
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,960
A Facebook group called Belle Gibson
Uncovered sprang to life,
673
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,280
where people shared stories about
Belle
674
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,560
and examined her every post for
inconsistencies.
675
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,840
It was driven by a lot of people
676
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,120
whose family had gone through
cancer,
677
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,640
whether it be directly or
indirectly,
678
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,760
and people that had lost people
679
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,480
because they didn't go through
conventional treatment.
680
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,800
So, they were really angry.
681
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,800
They were angry about the influence
that she had on people.
682
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:19,960
They blamed her.
683
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,800
A lot of people blamed her for
things that had gone wrong.
684
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,080
There was a lot of pictures from her
past
685
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,920
that were contradictory to the image
that she was selling, you know.
686
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,320
It was, you know, images of her
drinking or smoking
687
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,240
and not living that amazing, healthy
lifestyle that she promoted.
688
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:44,440
If only we had done that before we
gave her the platform to...
689
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,520
...be the person that she was.
690
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,040
Within two weeks of the story
breaking,
691
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,760
Penguin had withdrawn Belle's book
692
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,000
and Apple had removed any mention of
The Whole Pantry
693
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,720
from their website and App Store.
694
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,920
Welcome back to The Life And Lies
Of Belle Gibson,
695
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,360
the woman who pretended to have
cancer,
696
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,880
and to this day, still won't tell
the truth
697
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,920
that she knew she didn't.
698
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,600
Three months after the scandal
broke,
699
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,840
Belle appeared on the Australian
current affairs show, 60 Minutes.
700
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,840
You go on Instagram in 2013 -
701
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,560
"I have been healing a severe and
malignant brain cancer
702
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,160
"for the past few years, with
natural medicine,
703
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,000
"Gerson Therapy, and foods.
704
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,280
"It's working for me."
705
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,120
It is and if any...
706
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,600
Except you didn't have brain cancer.
707
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,920
No, I didn't.
708
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,960
She wasn't at all how I expected her
to be.
709
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,600
She just came across as devoid of
emotions,
710
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,120
lacking in any empathy or even
recognition
711
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,040
of the people that she hurt.
712
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,000
How can we believe anything you say
now?
713
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,920
Tara, I have lost everything.
714
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,720
Would you accept that you're a
pathological liar?
715
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:04,800
No.
716
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,600
I never quite could sort out my
feelings about Belle Gibson,
717
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,280
because even though what she did
was...
718
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,600
...reprehensible and dangerous,
719
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,720
she personally, I thought, was a
very fragile person,
720
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,720
whose grip on reality was a bit
tenuous.
721
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:26,880
And so, I was constantly in this
dilemma about
722
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,920
whether I felt sympathy for or
I loathed her.
723
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,200
She's definitely not well because
you don't...
724
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,440
A well person doesn't do what she's
done and believe in her own lies.
725
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,600
But she's also highly intelligent.
726
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,240
She thinks we're all stupid.
727
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,040
That's what annoys me about her.
728
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,120
She is the type of person that
thinks
729
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,560
that she's smarter than the rest of
us and we're all fools,
730
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,480
maybe we were there for a little
bit,
731
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,200
and that she can do and say whatever
she likes without any consequence.
732
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,320
BELLE'S FRIEND: On the internet it
is so much easier
733
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:04,520
to prioritise anger than it is to
prioritise compassion.
734
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,840
I see people still with so much
hatred and anger
735
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,600
in their hearts at her,
736
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,760
and I kind of wish that they knew
the 14-year-old Belle
737
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,760
and understood the full context of
this.
738
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,840
I hope that Belle took some really
hard lessons
739
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,720
and can... Not have to deal with
being public enemy number one.
740
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,360
Pixie and Maxine had become friends
through wellness,
741
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,800
but after years of restrictive
dieting,
742
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,960
it had taken a toll on their health.
743
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,920
When I look back now on my time
in wellness,
744
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,880
I had an unhealthy relationship with
food.
745
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,400
It was obsessive. It was
anxiety-inducing.
746
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,120
It was classic signs of orthorexia.
747
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,680
Orthorexia is an eating disorder
748
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,760
characterised by having an unsafe
obsession with healthy food.
749
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,360
When I was in the midst of it, there
was so much denial... Yeah.
750
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,600
...in terms of the idea that this
might actually not be helpful.
751
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,560
This is actually harming me and
wasn't making me feel good.
752
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,080
No, no, I blocked that out.
753
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,720
I couldn't possibly face that idea.
754
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:14,680
I would've been like, "Everything's
great, everything's wonderful."
755
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,880
There was so much denial, which I
guess is quite...
756
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,440
...classic for disordered eating,
757
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,920
is that there is that kind of
denial that can often be there.
758
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,200
Yeah, and I think it's almost
disordered eating is so normalised
759
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,000
within wellness that, you know,
760
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,440
when you are so immersed within that
culture,
761
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,680
in your view, there's nothing
disordered about it.
762
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,480
I just wanted to have a normal uni
experience
763
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,160
after years and years of being in
and out of school
764
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,480
and never really having a sense of
stability.
765
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,680
I just desperately needed something
to cling on to for dear life.
766
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,960
Yeah. And that's what wellness
presented itself as.
767
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,320
Yeah, we were vulnerable. Wellness
came along and said,
768
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,520
"Hi, we can help."
769
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,320
When you look at our story,
770
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,000
it very much shows that wellness is
seductive.
771
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,920
It is intriguing.
772
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,320
And...
773
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,280
...the worst part about it is that
you are never good enough.
774
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,880
You can never reach peak wellness.
775
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,360
You can never be good enough for
wellness.
776
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,400
And that is to somebody who's going
into that already vulnerable
777
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,920
and probably with low self-esteem,
778
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,040
probably not feeling too great about
themselves
779
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,680
because of whatever's going on,
780
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,360
it just pushes you down further and
just makes you feel worthless
781
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,760
and that is shit.
782
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,040
Belle was fined £230,000 for making
false claims
783
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,640
about her donations to charity.
784
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,320
A fine she's never paid.
785
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,440
The people of Australia want to know
why you haven't paid that fine.
786
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,840
Today, it's rumoured that she's
working in a Melbourne school
787
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,040
and that she's converted to Islam.
788
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,520
As the dust settles on her story,
789
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,000
some wonder how she'd been allowed
to achieve such success,
790
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,720
and if Belle was the only guilty
party.
791
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,360
I don't feel anger towards Belle
792
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,440
in the same way that I do towards
the industry as a whole.
793
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,760
I feel angry at social media for
creating this space
794
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,520
where misinformation can spread
unchecked.
795
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,520
I feel angry at the publishers who
gave Belle a platform
796
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,680
to profit from people's
vulnerability.
797
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,920
KYLIE: You didn't even for a second
question her
798
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,000
because of who supported her, who
was backing her.
799
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,920
It wasn't just Apple,
it was Penguin Books.
800
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,000
It was Cosmopolitan that had,
801
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,360
you know, endorsed her and stood
behind her,
802
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,960
so I wouldn't have thought
803
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,600
it was ever my responsibility to
fact-check her.
804
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,800
The biggest publishing company in
the world
805
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,320
and the biggest computer company in
the world had apparently
806
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,040
completely failed to do any due
diligence on her claims.
807
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,400
I mean, Penguin admitted to me that
they didn't really do
808
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,080
any proper fact-checking on her
medical history.
809
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,360
And Apple, when I finally got
someone to talk to me,
810
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,440
effectively said, well...
811
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,320
...they didn't care about the
questions that were being raised
812
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,120
about her cancer claim, as long as
her app worked.
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