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In the criminal justice system,
the people are represented
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by two separate yet
equally important groups...
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the police
who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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What is it?
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Ooh, that's
a globe-thistle pod,
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from a globe-thistle tree.
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Oh, okay.
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Get real, I can't
just leave for lunch.
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Who says you gotta leave?
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I'm sure you've
got a peanut butter
sandwich for me.
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What do you got good to trade?
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Dinner in SoHo, tonight?
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Okay, but I get
to keep my Twinkies.
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Hey, Tisha!
Tisha, stay away from the dog!
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It's not a stray,
it has a collar.
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Are you okay?
Did he bite you, huh?
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She's real cold...
they say she's been
out here for hours.
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What is it,
a rape or a mugging?
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Don't know.
She's in bad shape.
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Skull's fractured,
looks like she's
been choked.
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Do they think
she's gonna make it?
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I don't know, they could
barely find blood pressure.
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Hey, guys, move!
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- Where to?
- St. Teresa's.
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Found this...
on the path.
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Comin' through, comin' through.
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Has she been conscious?
Has she said anything?
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She's in a coma, Detective...
that tends to prevent speech.
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Go to the park,
get your head crushed...
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makes you want to move
someplace safe.
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- Didn't know
there were any left.
- Is she gonna get out of this?
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Cerebral hemorrhage,
unaligned skull fracture,
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damage to the vocal chords,
add the exposure...
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it's a miracle she's alive.
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If she survives this,
she's in for a long recovery.
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- Are you the cops who
sent us the Jane Doe?
- Yep.
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Lucy Neven,
568 Central Park West.
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- You're kidding!
- No, I made it up. Why?
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Major soap star... Delia Mason
on "World Without End."
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My mother watches it.
She follows the stories like
it happened to the neighbors.
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Tell your mom
she's in for a plot twist.
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You believe this?
They already got her buried.
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She's not in great shape.
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If we don't crack this quick,
we won't be either.
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Whatever's on your plate,
clean it... this comes first.
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Well, it ain't a mugging,
'cause she still had
cash with her.
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Could have been interrupted,
caught in the act.
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She's recognizable... this woman
is on a soap opera every day.
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- That's his John Lennon theory.
- It's not possible just because
we never heard of her?
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The fact of the matter is,
these people get accosted
in the supermarket.
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Phil, nobody's sayin'
"no," okay? It's a possibility.
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Now what about the girl...
is she in any shape to talk to us?
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Barely breathing.
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Get what you can
without her then, okay?
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I'm on double shifts these days.
You got to take all the work
you can get.
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Do you have people
hanging around for her...
fans, autograph hounds?
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Five, six a year.
Ms. Neven, she keeps
her address a secret.
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Hi.
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Thank you.
Thanks.
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She was
almost killed on the show.
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Do you believe in destiny,
karma, that kind of thing?
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She was mugged
in the park, not on TV.
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Does she walk her dog
on a schedule?
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10:00 every night. I give
Roxie a biscuit as they go out.
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Does Ms. Neven have
a busy social life?
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A good-lookin' lady like that?
My aunt gets more action... she's 60.
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They had to write her
out of the show.
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My mother thinks Lucy
is so glamorous.
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I've got it easy
being her secretary.
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She has to work 12 hours a day.
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Did she have time
to make enemies?
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She's up at 5:30,
she's at the studio by 7:00,
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she gets home, she's too tired
to brush her teeth.
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That's hardly time for friends,
let alone enemies.
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Could you tell us if anything
she'd have with her is missing?
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A ring...
her grandmother's wedding band,
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and a medal...
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her father gave it to her,
Saint Genesius.
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Saint Genesius, that's...
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The patron saint of actors.
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But why take that?
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They didn't take the money...
that's crazy.
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Do you get requests
from people who ask
for things like that?
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I sort them.
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Weird, weirder, weirdest.
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These are just
the past three months.
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"I cannot live with the idea
that you are angry with me.
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I know you
would love my daughter.
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I didn't like it
when you wouldn't talk to us."
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A woman broke
Lucy's skull? No.
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Pardon me, Dr. Freud,
women don't get angry
and violent?
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Whoa, I hope her mail
is more interesting than mine.
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No contest... these should be
postmarked Bellevue.
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We have three solid
cuckoos in town,
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one in Atlanta,
two in St. Louis,
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three in LA and one in Denver.
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They had to be local...
stalked her, knew when
she walked the dog.
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Still, I'll check
the out-of-town alibis,
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you guys knock on some doors.
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First we get some fettuccini,
then we knock on doors. Eh!
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Hello?
Mr. Wadsworth?
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Who's asking?
Police.
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We are looking for nominations
for Citizen of the Week, sir.
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I am Mr. Wadsworth,
and there is not a person
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on this damn block
worth nominating.
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Yes, and you're not
the first one to say so, sir.
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I wrote her letters.
She said in an interview...
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in lots of interviews...
that she likes to get them.
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Jesse, if you could
tell us where you were
at 10:00 or 11:00.
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At my girlfriend's apartment.
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And then I got home...
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I don't know. Dad?
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I got home
from the office at 9:00.
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Jesse got home...
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what, Jesse, 10:00?
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Yeah, I think so.
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Ah, Olivia, our housekeeper...
she'd remember.
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Olivia?
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Olivia, Thursday night...
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what time did Jesse get home?
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Around 10:30.
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I was watching the news,
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Channel 9.
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Thank you.
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The biggest soap
convention of the year...
I wouldn't miss that.
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I was there
Thursday morning to be there
before the good stuff got sold.
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That's dedication for ya.
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That comb...
only $60.
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Delia was using it
when she told Joel
she wouldn't marry him.
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She's too good for him.
Mmm.
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All the people there, maybe
some dealers or somebody
might remember you?
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I don't know.
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There were 6,000 people.
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Oh! I took the shuttle back.
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I threw out the ticket...
I think it's right here.
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Thank you.
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Dr. Brent, report
to nurse's station 4E.
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Dr. Brent, report
to nurse's station 4E.
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Was he taller than you?
Or the same height?
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Taller.
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So you got a good look at him?
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What, he was dark,
he had a dark complexion?
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All right.
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Is this the best you can do?
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With a woman who can't talk,
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she's good for about
15 minutes at a stretch.
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Thanks, anyway.
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- You got the staff list
of the soap?
- Yeah.
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Maybe someone was hanging
around that door, bothering her.
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It's worth a shot.
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To me, they all look the same.
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Autograph pads, sparkly pens
with big, white balls on top...
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they line up outside.
They can be difficult.
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Maybe Ms. Neven made
one of her fans angry?
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She was very gracious,
more than me.
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The end of the day,
I want to get home...
I got a two-year-old kid.
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Did Lucy get close
to anybody on the crew?
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I guess Sara was the closest.
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Was?
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Lucy had her fired.
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- Something about stuff missing.
- Five minutes.
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- You mean she was stealing?
- Sara said no.
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L... I like her.
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But she didn't file
a union grievance
when she got canned.
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Did she have
the right to file a grievance?
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Lucy was probably right.
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I got her another job...
costume house.
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They supply us, other shows.
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I heard of Lucy
turning on people,
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but I thought
we really got along.
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Must have done wonders
for your reputation.
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- I'm happy to have a job.
- Why didn't you
tell your union?
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I did. I did!
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You think we didn't check?
I'll put you on the phone
with your shop steward.
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You know what they do
with old costumes?
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Actors take 'em home.
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A guy corners me
outside the studio,
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hands me 200... anything of Lucy's.
Who would it hurt?
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What the hell is that?
Thou shall not steal except
when nobody gets hurt?
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I needed the money.
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But then he started
wanting slips, bras...
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that stuff doesn't
belong to wardrobe.
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- That's a fine distinction.
- Who was your source of income?
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Mitchell Burkitt, down
on the Lower East Side somewhere.
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What did he do
with Lucy's underwear?
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I really didn't want to know.
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Burkitt, Michael W.
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Criminal trespass two,
burglary three.
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What does he like?
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Soap opera studios,
movie locations.
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Also, an assault on a guard
who tried to stop him.
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The supplier gets canned,
no more underwear to sell.
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- A ring
and a medal... bigger bucks.
- Draw some arrest papers.
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Phil, we're not even
pregnant yet.
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Assault record?
I want to be prepared.
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The stereo's on...
he's at home.
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Who is it?
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00:12:03,556 --> 00:12:05,854
Con Ed,
checkin' for a gas leak.
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- Whoa!
- Drop it! Drop it, don't even
think about it, Mitch!
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Now!
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Ow!
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You are under arrest
for the attempted murder
of Lucy Neven!
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Why didn't you say
you were cops?
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You have the right
to remain silent.
If you choose...
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- You didn't say you were cops!
...anything you do say
can and will...
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In my neighborhood, you wouldn't
answer the door without a gun.
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Next time, get one
that's licensed.
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I didn't do the lady.
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What do you think, I'm crazy?
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Actually, you're
about the sanest person
we've met all week.
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Why would I do her, huh?
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She's a cash cow...
I survive on her stuff.
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Not since you lost your source.
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So, Mr. Burkitt,
where were you Thursday night?
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I was alone.
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Prove I wasn't.
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Prove you were!
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Your Lucy stuff...
who buys it?
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Kleinman, down on 15th Street.
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- I want a lawyer.
- Yeah, you'll get a lawyer.
I'll even pay for the call.
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Don't ever say
cops aren't generous.
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You want stills
from "South Pacific,"
Mitzi Gaynor's shoes? Fine.
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Not Lucy Neven's underwear?
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Do I look like a pervert?
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Who buys Lucy's clothes?
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Customers' names...
I'm sorry, it's private.
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Did you give
Mitchell Burkitt an order
to steal Lucy Neven's jewelry?
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I sell memorabilia... you think
this is a hot car business?
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- You give me an order,
I get it stolen for you?
- Suppose we get a warrant,
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Mr. Kleinman,
and we do an inventory,
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you think we're gonna find
any stolen goods around here?
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- From a soap opera
studio, maybe?
- I never accept...
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Do you want us
to start checking?
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You know, you're starting
to make me a little impatient.
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Voorman.
Tim Voorman.
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Works at the Club Vivant.
239
00:13:56,235 --> 00:13:58,726
Ladies and gentleman,
Tim Voorman.
240
00:13:58,771 --> 00:14:01,797
Mr. Voorman...
Sergeant Cerreta,
Detective Logan.
241
00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:03,399
Very impressive.
242
00:14:03,442 --> 00:14:07,037
Louis Kleinman says you ordered
Lucy Neven's intimate apparel.
243
00:14:08,614 --> 00:14:11,879
You think
I was involved with...?
244
00:14:11,917 --> 00:14:15,409
Yeah, well, I also ordered
Joan Collins's costumes.
245
00:14:15,454 --> 00:14:17,285
They help me
get into character.
246
00:14:17,323 --> 00:14:20,190
- And they fit you?
- Well, I'm very petite.
247
00:14:20,226 --> 00:14:24,026
Mr. Voorman,
Thursday night... did you
take a walk in the park?
248
00:14:24,063 --> 00:14:26,054
I don't believe this.
249
00:14:26,098 --> 00:14:29,397
I was here...
two shows, 8:00 and 10:00.
250
00:14:32,705 --> 00:14:35,799
You happen to leave
between shows?
251
00:14:35,841 --> 00:14:39,333
Do you have any idea how long
it takes to put on this face?
252
00:14:39,378 --> 00:14:41,869
And contrary
to what you might think,
253
00:14:41,914 --> 00:14:44,075
I don't go out
in public in drag.
254
00:14:44,116 --> 00:14:45,708
I do this for a living.
255
00:14:45,751 --> 00:14:48,652
This isn't your act, so you
can pack in the attitude.
256
00:14:48,687 --> 00:14:50,746
Do you have any witnesses
who saw you here?
257
00:14:52,358 --> 00:14:55,088
What's the mystery?
258
00:14:55,127 --> 00:15:00,224
I got a guy from Jersey
who sees my Lucy act
six nights a week.
259
00:15:00,266 --> 00:15:03,258
One guy, he wants to talk
with Lucy about the plot
on the show.
260
00:15:03,302 --> 00:15:07,204
Another one, a real weirdo,
buys my Lucy dress.
261
00:15:07,239 --> 00:15:09,230
Who attacked her?
One of them.
262
00:15:09,275 --> 00:15:12,608
- Who bought the dress?
- Out of his mind.
263
00:15:12,645 --> 00:15:15,170
He loved Lucy,
he wanted to be with her.
264
00:15:15,214 --> 00:15:17,341
Offers 250...
I thought he was kidding.
265
00:15:17,383 --> 00:15:19,214
500... I said no.
266
00:15:19,251 --> 00:15:22,015
1,000... I didn't want
to sell it, but...
267
00:15:23,589 --> 00:15:25,284
he scared me a little.
268
00:15:25,324 --> 00:15:28,851
- You got the name?
- He didn't ask for a receipt.
269
00:15:30,396 --> 00:15:34,093
Mr. Webster?
Hi, this is Joe Harris
from the Club Vivant.
270
00:15:34,133 --> 00:15:36,192
Mr. Nichols?
271
00:15:36,235 --> 00:15:38,328
Sam Jones, the Club Vivant.
272
00:15:38,370 --> 00:15:41,339
Mr. Voorman? He'd like to buy
back that dress he sold you.
273
00:15:41,373 --> 00:15:44,433
You know the dress
you bought from Tim Voorman?
274
00:15:44,476 --> 00:15:46,876
Okay. Sorry.
275
00:15:46,912 --> 00:15:49,005
- Thank you.
- Sorry to bother you.
276
00:15:49,048 --> 00:15:52,211
We thought the letters
were bad... these people
are worse in person.
277
00:15:52,251 --> 00:15:55,982
Hello?
Jesse Unger, please.
278
00:15:56,021 --> 00:15:58,956
Could you give me his
work number then? Thank you.
279
00:15:58,991 --> 00:16:00,720
Mr. Markson? Hi.
280
00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:02,852
This is Sam Jones
from the Club Vivant.
281
00:16:02,895 --> 00:16:05,796
Mr. Unger?
Yeah, I'll wait.
282
00:16:05,831 --> 00:16:08,823
That Lucy Neven dress...
the one you bought
from Tim Voorman?
283
00:16:08,867 --> 00:16:11,301
Well, he would like...
284
00:16:11,337 --> 00:16:13,601
Sorry to bother you.
285
00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:16,233
Mr. Unger? Yeah, this is
Joe Harris, Club Vivant.
286
00:16:16,275 --> 00:16:20,143
Mr. Voorman would like to buy
back his Lucy Neven dress.
287
00:16:20,179 --> 00:16:23,512
Uh-huh. Oh.
288
00:16:23,549 --> 00:16:26,074
Yeah, well, certainly.
Well, thank you.
289
00:16:27,753 --> 00:16:31,086
Mr. Unger wants
to keep his dress.
290
00:16:31,123 --> 00:16:32,750
Really?
291
00:16:33,792 --> 00:16:36,556
I can't stop.
This has to be done by tonight.
292
00:16:36,595 --> 00:16:39,996
- Did you buy the dress?
- Yes, I did, for my collection.
293
00:16:40,032 --> 00:16:42,159
I needed something special.
294
00:16:44,003 --> 00:16:46,233
Terrible, Lucy dying, hmm?
295
00:16:46,271 --> 00:16:48,068
Lucy didn't die, Jesse.
296
00:16:48,107 --> 00:16:51,565
No, on the show.
They had to get rid of her.
297
00:16:51,610 --> 00:16:55,011
Thursday night,
at your girlfriend's...
what time did you leave?
298
00:16:55,047 --> 00:16:58,141
I already told you...
about 10:00.
299
00:16:59,418 --> 00:17:01,511
Is your girlfriend Sandy
at home, today?
300
00:17:01,553 --> 00:17:03,987
No, she's not.
She's working.
301
00:17:04,990 --> 00:17:07,356
- You've got the wrong idea.
302
00:17:07,393 --> 00:17:10,885
Jesse, his Lucy scrapbook...
it's a hobby.
303
00:17:10,929 --> 00:17:14,797
- That include
buying her dress?
304
00:17:14,833 --> 00:17:16,801
You don't understand.
305
00:17:16,835 --> 00:17:19,133
Boy, you'll think I'm crazy.
306
00:17:19,171 --> 00:17:22,368
We went to a Tina Turner
concert, Jess and me.
307
00:17:22,408 --> 00:17:26,037
I wanted her autograph.
We waited in the cold two hours.
308
00:17:26,078 --> 00:17:28,205
But an autograph
is not a dress.
309
00:17:28,247 --> 00:17:31,739
Lucy... to me, she's boring.
So what?
310
00:17:31,784 --> 00:17:34,150
Jesse doesn't like Tina Turner.
311
00:17:34,186 --> 00:17:36,746
I mean, didn't you ever
collect anybody?
312
00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:39,485
My wife has a lot
of Rosemary Clooney records.
313
00:17:39,525 --> 00:17:40,822
Who?
314
00:17:40,859 --> 00:17:44,056
Ms. Reynolds, you said Mr. Unger
left at 10:00 p.m., right?
315
00:17:44,096 --> 00:17:46,496
What you're thinking
about Jesse... it couldn't be.
316
00:17:46,532 --> 00:17:48,932
Look, are you sure
about the time?
317
00:17:48,967 --> 00:17:52,733
It might have been earlier...
maybe a quarter of.
318
00:17:52,771 --> 00:17:55,797
We had an argument.
319
00:17:55,841 --> 00:17:58,605
He wanted me
to try the dress on.
320
00:17:58,644 --> 00:18:00,544
I didn't think it was right.
321
00:18:01,380 --> 00:18:05,111
Quarter to 10:00, 10:00...
15 minutes... it really makes
that big a difference?
322
00:18:05,150 --> 00:18:08,347
Hey, 15 minutes gives him
a lot more time to get
to Lucy's.
323
00:18:08,387 --> 00:18:10,855
Sandy's on 97th Street.
324
00:18:10,889 --> 00:18:13,119
Jesse's home, 57th Street,
325
00:18:13,158 --> 00:18:15,023
30 to 45 minutes later.
326
00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:17,790
And Lucy lives
in between at 65th Street.
327
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:20,025
All right,
it's enough time, barely,
328
00:18:20,065 --> 00:18:22,056
if he knew when
Lucy walked the dog.
329
00:18:22,101 --> 00:18:25,332
So he stopped by at Lucy's
on his way home to what,
to talk to her?
330
00:18:25,370 --> 00:18:28,806
- You're the one who talked
to him. He look goofy to you?
- He seemed fine.
331
00:18:28,841 --> 00:18:30,331
But who can tell anymore?
332
00:18:30,375 --> 00:18:32,468
31 years old,
he still lives at Daddy's.
333
00:18:32,511 --> 00:18:36,003
And also he sprang
for 1,000 bucks to buy
Lucy's dress.
334
00:18:36,048 --> 00:18:37,879
What about
his arrival time at home...
335
00:18:37,916 --> 00:18:39,907
how solid is that alibi?
336
00:18:45,023 --> 00:18:47,287
I have friends
in the fashion world.
337
00:18:47,326 --> 00:18:48,987
Something wrong with that?
338
00:18:49,027 --> 00:18:50,722
So you got your son his job?
339
00:18:50,762 --> 00:18:53,788
I arranged an interview,
they offered him the job.
340
00:18:53,832 --> 00:18:57,700
The woman's dress...
that's $1,000.
341
00:18:57,736 --> 00:19:00,330
Your son can afford that
on the job he has?
342
00:19:00,372 --> 00:19:04,741
Jesse's interests...
he doesn't have to be
like everybody else.
343
00:19:04,776 --> 00:19:08,906
Following an actress's
career... it's harmless.
344
00:19:08,947 --> 00:19:10,744
Up to a point.
345
00:19:10,782 --> 00:19:13,182
Mr. Unger,
when Jesse arrived home,
346
00:19:13,218 --> 00:19:16,312
your housekeeper said
it was 10:30. You said 10:00.
347
00:19:16,355 --> 00:19:19,085
My son has problems,
348
00:19:19,124 --> 00:19:22,025
violence is not one of them.
349
00:19:22,060 --> 00:19:25,052
Sandy was upset...
the dress.
350
00:19:25,097 --> 00:19:27,657
I only wanted to see,
if she has such a good figure,
351
00:19:27,699 --> 00:19:29,462
how'd she look
in it, that's all.
352
00:19:29,501 --> 00:19:31,560
We can clear
this thing up easy.
353
00:19:31,603 --> 00:19:34,163
You left Sandy's
apartment at 10:00?
Mm-hmm.
354
00:19:34,206 --> 00:19:36,470
- Now, how'd you get home?
- I walked.
355
00:19:36,508 --> 00:19:39,033
40 blocks in half an hour?
356
00:19:39,077 --> 00:19:40,942
You must be a marathon walker.
357
00:19:40,979 --> 00:19:43,209
Maybe I took a cab.
358
00:19:43,248 --> 00:19:44,909
Ahh.
359
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:47,851
You know what we oughta do?
We oughta all go down
to the precinct,
360
00:19:47,886 --> 00:19:50,514
we'll talk the whole thing over,
we'll call the cab company,
361
00:19:50,556 --> 00:19:52,956
get the whole thing settled,
you know what I mean?
362
00:19:52,991 --> 00:19:56,518
Um... okay, fine.
Sure.
363
00:19:56,562 --> 00:19:57,927
Good.
364
00:19:57,963 --> 00:20:00,431
I'm sorry about Lucy.
365
00:20:00,465 --> 00:20:02,296
But hurting her?
366
00:20:02,334 --> 00:20:04,427
No, I loved watching her.
367
00:20:04,469 --> 00:20:06,266
I have
a little television at work.
368
00:20:06,305 --> 00:20:09,900
We want to remind you
that you're entitled to a lawyer.
369
00:20:09,942 --> 00:20:14,242
Sandy will tell you. Olivia,
she said that I came home at 10:30.
370
00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:16,213
I would never hurt Lucy.
371
00:20:16,248 --> 00:20:18,273
Will you excuse me?
372
00:20:25,524 --> 00:20:28,857
He's in tooth fairy land,
and he's scared.
373
00:20:28,894 --> 00:20:31,590
The hospital says
Lucy has some paralysis,
374
00:20:31,630 --> 00:20:35,293
she still has trouble
with blurred vision, but
they will bring her over.
375
00:20:35,334 --> 00:20:38,792
Now do you think you can
get this guy to volunteer
for a line-up?
376
00:20:38,837 --> 00:20:40,668
I don't know.
What if he won't?
377
00:20:40,706 --> 00:20:42,333
Heck if I know.
378
00:20:42,374 --> 00:20:44,069
Okay.
379
00:20:49,448 --> 00:20:52,349
Jesse, would you like
to be in a line-up?
380
00:20:52,384 --> 00:20:54,477
If nobody identifies you,
you go back to work.
381
00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:56,919
A line-up? For who?
382
00:20:56,955 --> 00:20:58,320
Lucy Neven.
383
00:21:20,946 --> 00:21:23,574
Take your time.
There's no hurry.
384
00:21:36,461 --> 00:21:40,158
Oh my God. That's...
that's him.
385
00:21:40,198 --> 00:21:44,794
He stopped me on the street
a couple of times.
386
00:21:44,836 --> 00:21:46,963
Which one is he, hmm?
387
00:21:47,005 --> 00:21:50,566
It's num...
number four.
388
00:21:50,609 --> 00:21:53,908
He said that he needed me.
389
00:21:56,081 --> 00:21:57,981
Let's get the video camera.
390
00:21:58,016 --> 00:21:59,984
One more shot at him
and he's gonna talk.
391
00:22:00,018 --> 00:22:02,248
Yeah.
392
00:22:02,287 --> 00:22:05,484
Your dad will be here soon.
You don't have to talk now.
393
00:22:05,524 --> 00:22:07,651
Was Lucy here?
394
00:22:08,927 --> 00:22:10,952
She says
she saw you that night.
395
00:22:25,544 --> 00:22:28,536
Had these on him
when he was booked.
396
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,960
Lucy's ring, Jesse.
397
00:22:50,402 --> 00:22:52,370
Her medal.
398
00:22:57,209 --> 00:22:59,370
Where'd you get these?
399
00:23:00,779 --> 00:23:02,974
She wouldn't listen.
400
00:23:03,014 --> 00:23:05,949
I just wanted to talk.
401
00:23:07,452 --> 00:23:09,784
She told me to leave her alone.
402
00:23:09,821 --> 00:23:12,221
I didn't want to hurt her.
403
00:23:13,792 --> 00:23:15,817
God, her eyes...
404
00:23:15,861 --> 00:23:19,058
if you saw her eyes.
405
00:23:20,766 --> 00:23:22,700
She walked right by me.
406
00:23:24,069 --> 00:23:26,697
She didn't say anything.
407
00:23:26,738 --> 00:23:30,640
I tried to tell her
how I need her.
408
00:23:30,675 --> 00:23:33,303
I didn't want to hurt her.
409
00:23:37,449 --> 00:23:40,179
She just got tangled up
in her dog leash...
410
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:46,079
and I went to help her,
and she started hitting at me...
411
00:23:46,124 --> 00:23:48,524
and the dog was barking.
412
00:23:49,861 --> 00:23:51,954
I just wanted to talk to her.
413
00:23:54,065 --> 00:23:57,865
That's all, I ju...
I just wanted to talk to her.
414
00:24:00,272 --> 00:24:02,797
How long have you
been aware of Lucy Neven?
415
00:24:02,841 --> 00:24:04,832
Ever since I can remember.
416
00:24:04,876 --> 00:24:08,039
- Did you first
recognize her on her TV show?
- Come on, Ben...
417
00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:11,515
- Yes.
- You saw that tape... this guy's
got toys in the attic.
418
00:24:11,550 --> 00:24:14,883
Is he competent enough
to help you with his case?
419
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,354
I guarantee you he didn't know
what he was doing.
420
00:24:17,389 --> 00:24:19,414
That's not the issue here,
is it?
421
00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:21,255
Can he help you defend him?
422
00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:24,057
Maybe he can,
but he's still bonkers.
423
00:24:24,095 --> 00:24:26,461
He didn't know
what he was doing
when he attacked her.
424
00:24:26,498 --> 00:24:28,932
You don't know that
and neither do I.
425
00:24:28,967 --> 00:24:31,731
Let's first see
if he can stand trial.
426
00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:35,365
I've seen trials on TV.
Lucy was in one.
427
00:24:35,407 --> 00:24:37,238
What happens at a trial, Jesse?
428
00:24:37,275 --> 00:24:39,641
Why are you
asking me that, hmm?
429
00:24:39,678 --> 00:24:42,340
We both know they decide
if you're guilty.
430
00:24:42,380 --> 00:24:44,405
What does your lawyer do?
431
00:24:44,449 --> 00:24:47,179
He tries to defend me from...
432
00:24:47,219 --> 00:24:51,019
he keeps me from going to jail.
433
00:24:51,056 --> 00:24:53,581
Why would you
go to jail, Jesse?
434
00:24:53,625 --> 00:24:56,219
Sorry, Dr. Olivet,
off limits.
435
00:24:56,261 --> 00:24:58,456
I'm not asking
about the crime, Dr. Mandel,
436
00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:00,965
I'm asking if he understands
why people go to jail.
437
00:25:00,999 --> 00:25:03,263
People go to jail
because they break the law.
438
00:25:03,301 --> 00:25:05,496
Hurting somebody...
is that breaking the law?
439
00:25:06,671 --> 00:25:08,502
These are stupid questions.
440
00:25:09,541 --> 00:25:13,341
Jesse, please...
is it wrong to hurt somebody?
441
00:25:13,378 --> 00:25:15,744
I just wanted to talk to her.
442
00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:17,839
That's all.
443
00:25:21,486 --> 00:25:23,613
Your Honor,
what is the argument?
444
00:25:23,655 --> 00:25:25,623
Mr. Unger understands
the legal process.
445
00:25:25,657 --> 00:25:28,956
Ben, he babbled a confession.
That doesn't give you a problem?
446
00:25:28,994 --> 00:25:32,293
He was frightened.
That does not mean he's
not competent to stand trial.
447
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:34,821
He does not understand
the criminal justice system.
448
00:25:34,866 --> 00:25:37,767
- He knows what a trial is.
- Hey, hey, this isn't
a free-for-all.
449
00:25:37,802 --> 00:25:39,827
I ask the questions.
450
00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:43,170
You honestly contend he can't
give you pertinent facts?
451
00:25:44,442 --> 00:25:46,307
Judge, he is suffering
a neurotic denial.
452
00:25:46,344 --> 00:25:49,006
It is hard to get any
information out of him at all.
453
00:25:49,047 --> 00:25:52,244
Well, I'll read the doctors'
reports again.
454
00:25:52,284 --> 00:25:55,310
Meantime, Mr. Unger
stays at Rikers.
455
00:25:57,022 --> 00:25:59,752
Come on, Lucy, you can do it.
456
00:25:59,791 --> 00:26:02,055
Right to the end.
457
00:26:02,093 --> 00:26:03,822
Keep walking.
458
00:26:05,030 --> 00:26:07,191
It's a piece of cake.
459
00:26:12,203 --> 00:26:15,297
They say if we go to trial,
that you'll be able to testify.
460
00:26:15,340 --> 00:26:17,274
It's your choice.
461
00:26:17,309 --> 00:26:19,573
Don't force yourself, honey.
462
00:26:19,611 --> 00:26:24,674
I'll testify if I have to crawl
into the courtroom.
463
00:26:26,785 --> 00:26:29,185
He came after me before.
464
00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:31,711
He called the house
several times.
465
00:26:31,756 --> 00:26:35,419
Somehow he got the number.
466
00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:37,451
If he doesn't go to jail...
467
00:26:53,845 --> 00:26:56,643
Lucy, I'll do everything I can
468
00:26:56,681 --> 00:26:58,649
to make sure
that never happens.
469
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,111
Schreiber says
we can indict him.
470
00:27:04,155 --> 00:27:06,248
He's competent to stand trial.
471
00:27:09,728 --> 00:27:11,662
Does that serve justice...
472
00:27:11,696 --> 00:27:14,688
Jesse Unger on trial,
Jesse Unger in prison?
473
00:27:14,733 --> 00:27:17,998
If he's responsible
for his actions, yes,
I think justice is served.
474
00:27:18,036 --> 00:27:21,130
Mr. Stone, my son,
475
00:27:21,172 --> 00:27:24,107
after he lost his mother...
476
00:27:24,142 --> 00:27:27,407
you can't imagine...
I tried to help him.
477
00:27:27,445 --> 00:27:29,743
Why didn't you seek
professional help?
478
00:27:29,781 --> 00:27:32,341
He's not like other people.
479
00:27:32,384 --> 00:27:34,579
He never seemed dangerous.
480
00:27:35,987 --> 00:27:37,682
Jack, it's your meeting.
481
00:27:37,722 --> 00:27:41,021
Reconsider going to trial, Ben... work out
some kind of treatment
for him.
482
00:27:41,059 --> 00:27:43,687
If they can protect
Lucy Neven from him...
483
00:27:43,728 --> 00:27:46,663
- You know that they can't.
- A jury can.
484
00:27:47,699 --> 00:27:49,997
All I've got to do
is prove that he was insane
485
00:27:50,035 --> 00:27:53,027
at the moment he attacked her,
not a second before.
486
00:27:53,071 --> 00:27:54,766
Not a second after.
487
00:27:54,806 --> 00:27:58,401
I've tried a lot of these cases, Ben, you
haven't.
488
00:27:58,443 --> 00:28:01,037
I'm a quick study.
489
00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:03,013
Why is Gaffney so confident?
490
00:28:03,048 --> 00:28:05,448
Insanity defenses are
not easy to win.
491
00:28:05,483 --> 00:28:09,044
Olivet'll testify
he's not delusional.
What more can we do?
492
00:28:09,087 --> 00:28:12,079
"Delusional"...
fancy word.
493
00:28:12,123 --> 00:28:14,523
Might as well say
"subordinated debenture."
494
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,756
A jury knows
"crazy" and "not crazy," Paul.
495
00:28:17,796 --> 00:28:19,593
They don't know
"legally crazy."
496
00:28:19,631 --> 00:28:21,929
You know
what really worries me?
497
00:28:21,966 --> 00:28:25,231
I make my best case
to prove he's sane, we lose.
498
00:28:25,270 --> 00:28:27,101
He goes to a hospital,
499
00:28:27,138 --> 00:28:31,575
I have to turn 180¡Æ
and argue he is not sane
500
00:28:31,609 --> 00:28:34,601
so they keep him there.
It's no-win.
501
00:28:34,646 --> 00:28:37,046
Maybe we make a deal...
assault.
502
00:28:37,082 --> 00:28:40,074
Bad risk... goes away
for a couple years,
503
00:28:40,118 --> 00:28:42,814
as soon as he gets out,
he could kill that woman.
504
00:28:49,427 --> 00:28:51,418
Mm-hmm?
505
00:28:53,932 --> 00:28:57,231
Lucy Neven...
better talk to her.
506
00:28:57,268 --> 00:29:00,965
How could they let him mail it?
Why didn't somebody stop him?
507
00:29:02,941 --> 00:29:05,967
"I never wanted to hurt you.
I had to bring you close.
508
00:29:06,010 --> 00:29:08,478
We're the same person.
We'll always be close."
509
00:29:08,513 --> 00:29:10,413
I'm sorry,
this shouldn't have happened.
510
00:29:12,183 --> 00:29:14,845
They put a watch
on his mail today.
511
00:29:14,886 --> 00:29:17,377
He said we're the same person.
512
00:29:17,422 --> 00:29:20,186
He sounds crazier than ever.
513
00:29:20,225 --> 00:29:23,490
He's shrewder than ever.
He wants to sound crazy.
514
00:29:24,662 --> 00:29:26,596
Do we have to turn
this over to Gaffney?
515
00:29:27,932 --> 00:29:30,901
If we don't turn it over, he's
gonna get a subpoena anyway.
516
00:29:30,935 --> 00:29:33,028
Jesse's gonna tell him
he sent the letter,
517
00:29:33,071 --> 00:29:35,665
and they're gonna use it
to show how crazy he is.
518
00:29:35,707 --> 00:29:37,402
That's what he wants.
519
00:29:40,845 --> 00:29:43,837
And after reading the report
of his personal history?
520
00:29:43,882 --> 00:29:45,543
I examined Mr. Unger.
521
00:29:45,583 --> 00:29:48,211
Did you reach any conclusions
about his mental condition?
522
00:29:48,253 --> 00:29:49,686
Yes, I have.
523
00:29:49,721 --> 00:29:53,054
Mr. Unger has personality
and character disorders.
524
00:29:53,091 --> 00:29:55,389
He's obsessive-compulsive,
525
00:29:55,426 --> 00:29:58,361
and exhibits signs
of extreme depression.
526
00:29:58,396 --> 00:30:02,196
Does this mean he is
incapable of understanding
the consequences of his actions?
527
00:30:02,233 --> 00:30:06,693
No, it means he's unhappy,
and in some ways dysfunctional.
528
00:30:06,738 --> 00:30:10,401
In your expert opinion,
does Mr. Unger suffer
from any condition
529
00:30:10,441 --> 00:30:13,308
that would impair his ability
to know right from wrong?
530
00:30:13,344 --> 00:30:16,177
Despite his emotional problems,
in my opinion,
531
00:30:16,214 --> 00:30:20,548
Mr. Unger has
a complete understanding of
the consequences of his actions.
532
00:30:20,585 --> 00:30:22,280
Thank you.
No further questions.
533
00:30:23,321 --> 00:30:24,879
Dr. Olivet,
534
00:30:24,923 --> 00:30:29,724
you spent three hours
talking to Mr. Unger.
535
00:30:31,196 --> 00:30:33,061
Do you think
that's sufficient time
536
00:30:33,097 --> 00:30:35,725
to make a judgment
on his mental health?
537
00:30:35,767 --> 00:30:38,429
- Yes, I do.
- Admirable.
538
00:30:38,469 --> 00:30:43,168
So you are telling this court,
with absolute assurance,
539
00:30:43,208 --> 00:30:46,405
that Mr. Unger
did not have an episode
540
00:30:46,444 --> 00:30:48,344
in which he did not know
541
00:30:48,379 --> 00:30:50,813
the consequences
of his behavior?
542
00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:53,579
In my opinion, Mr. Unger
knows right from wrong.
543
00:30:54,619 --> 00:30:57,782
He told me
he'd been watching me
544
00:30:57,822 --> 00:31:00,518
because he knew I would...
545
00:31:00,558 --> 00:31:04,426
I would love him
if only I met him.
546
00:31:04,462 --> 00:31:07,329
He was very excited,
547
00:31:07,365 --> 00:31:10,801
so I tried to keep him calm,
548
00:31:10,835 --> 00:31:15,033
and then I tried to get away.
549
00:31:15,073 --> 00:31:17,633
He told me to stop.
550
00:31:17,675 --> 00:31:21,042
And when I didn't,
he attacked me.
551
00:31:24,716 --> 00:31:27,913
Ms. Neven,
prior to this attack,
552
00:31:27,952 --> 00:31:30,386
had you ever seen
the defendant before?
553
00:31:30,421 --> 00:31:34,824
He accosted me
on the street several times...
554
00:31:34,859 --> 00:31:37,953
I don't remember how many.
555
00:31:37,996 --> 00:31:41,693
He told me that he had
called me on the phone.
556
00:31:42,734 --> 00:31:44,326
What is your profession?
557
00:31:44,369 --> 00:31:48,237
I'm... I was
an actress.
558
00:31:48,273 --> 00:31:50,298
You were an actress?
559
00:31:50,341 --> 00:31:52,138
Does that mean you don't expect
560
00:31:52,176 --> 00:31:53,905
to be able to continue
your career?
561
00:31:53,945 --> 00:31:55,674
Objection... relevance.
562
00:31:55,713 --> 00:31:57,806
The extent of Ms. Neven's
injuries is relevant
563
00:31:57,849 --> 00:31:59,817
to the attempted
murder charge, Your Honor.
564
00:31:59,851 --> 00:32:02,911
Overruled.
The witness will answer.
565
00:32:04,923 --> 00:32:08,290
I'll be happy
if I'm able to walk.
566
00:32:11,396 --> 00:32:13,523
Thank you.
No further questions.
567
00:32:14,699 --> 00:32:16,690
Mr. Gaffney?
568
00:32:24,976 --> 00:32:27,638
I have no questions
of this witness.
569
00:32:31,049 --> 00:32:34,177
- Olivet was convincing.
- Convincing isn't the point.
570
00:32:34,218 --> 00:32:38,018
Did they understand
"crazy" versus "legally crazy"?
571
00:32:47,398 --> 00:32:50,856
Voices, delusions...
convenient.
572
00:32:50,902 --> 00:32:54,702
The one illness
that wins an insanity defense.
573
00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:57,605
You read Mandel's transcript.
574
00:32:57,642 --> 00:32:59,507
Jesse talk about voices then?
575
00:32:59,544 --> 00:33:01,808
Mandel interviewed him again.
576
00:33:01,846 --> 00:33:03,575
Yeah, I wonder why?
577
00:33:03,614 --> 00:33:06,082
Gaffney...
would he coach his client?
578
00:33:06,117 --> 00:33:09,245
Well, it's hard to believe.
It's not his style.
579
00:33:09,287 --> 00:33:11,812
I'll tell you one voice
Jesse Unger is hearing...
580
00:33:11,856 --> 00:33:14,381
the voice telling him
how not to get convicted.
581
00:33:17,195 --> 00:33:21,461
Listen to this.
'Why didn't you
tell me you heard voices? '
582
00:33:21,499 --> 00:33:25,492
'The voice
said not to tell you.
My father said I should."'
583
00:33:25,536 --> 00:33:27,527
"My father said I should."
584
00:33:28,706 --> 00:33:30,867
Your interviews...
no voices?
585
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:34,007
Is he delusional?
586
00:33:34,045 --> 00:33:37,014
Am I 100% sure? 99.
587
00:33:37,048 --> 00:33:40,040
- I'd prefer 100.
- Never happens.
588
00:33:40,118 --> 00:33:42,848
Somebody told Dad
what would get Jesse off.
589
00:33:42,887 --> 00:33:44,878
Dad told Jesse.
590
00:33:44,922 --> 00:33:47,618
Voices are
a very specific symptom.
591
00:33:47,658 --> 00:33:50,650
- Mandel.
- Intentionally, I doubt it.
592
00:33:50,695 --> 00:33:52,890
What about Gaffney?
593
00:33:52,930 --> 00:33:55,899
Paul read the transcripts
of his other cases.
594
00:33:55,933 --> 00:33:57,798
Not all of 'em.
595
00:33:58,903 --> 00:34:01,030
Well, then, dig up
the ones you haven't read
596
00:34:01,072 --> 00:34:03,939
and let's find out how crazy
his other clients really were.
597
00:34:06,644 --> 00:34:10,512
After Jesse's mother died,
he couldn't concentrate.
598
00:34:11,649 --> 00:34:13,708
He used to say
he was going crazy.
599
00:34:15,453 --> 00:34:17,648
What was he most
concerned about?
600
00:34:18,923 --> 00:34:21,414
He thought the world
was going to blow up.
601
00:34:21,459 --> 00:34:23,825
What were some
of his other problems?
602
00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:28,590
He said he heard
voices in his head.
603
00:34:30,001 --> 00:34:31,969
Like a radio.
604
00:34:33,204 --> 00:34:35,001
Thank you.
605
00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:42,410
Mr. Unger...
606
00:34:42,447 --> 00:34:46,406
when exactly did Jesse
tell you he heard voices?
607
00:34:47,819 --> 00:34:50,982
I think maybe in his sophomore
year in high school...
608
00:34:51,022 --> 00:34:53,957
could have been earlier,
maybe later.
609
00:34:53,991 --> 00:34:55,686
I can't remember.
610
00:34:55,726 --> 00:34:59,162
What did he say
these voices told him?
611
00:35:02,066 --> 00:35:03,829
I can't remember.
612
00:35:03,868 --> 00:35:06,803
You remember he heard voices.
613
00:35:08,272 --> 00:35:10,035
I do. Yes, I do.
614
00:35:10,074 --> 00:35:12,804
Did you seek psychiatric care
for your son at this time?
615
00:35:16,914 --> 00:35:19,508
No.
Why not?
616
00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:21,347
Well...
617
00:35:23,154 --> 00:35:24,917
I'm not sure why I didn't.
618
00:35:26,557 --> 00:35:28,616
That's odd.
619
00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:31,150
Thank you.
620
00:35:31,195 --> 00:35:35,427
Mr. Unger suffers
from processive disintegration.
621
00:35:35,466 --> 00:35:39,061
One of the symptoms
is command hallucinations...
622
00:35:39,103 --> 00:35:41,196
voices telling him
to do things.
623
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,537
Now, Dr. Mandel...
624
00:35:43,574 --> 00:35:46,099
Jesse Unger told you
625
00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:50,274
that he heard voices
telling him
626
00:35:50,314 --> 00:35:52,908
to kill Lucy Neven.
627
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:57,785
Would that mean that he was
out of control of his actions?
628
00:35:57,822 --> 00:35:59,653
In my opinion, yes.
629
00:35:59,690 --> 00:36:03,524
Mr. Unger is often guided
by an overpowering voice
630
00:36:03,561 --> 00:36:05,222
he believes to be real.
631
00:36:05,263 --> 00:36:07,094
Thank you, Doctor.
632
00:36:10,601 --> 00:36:13,195
"Processive disintegration."
633
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,170
Is that a recognized
medical diagnosis?
634
00:36:20,211 --> 00:36:24,375
It's my language
for a combination of disorders.
635
00:36:24,415 --> 00:36:27,509
So it does not exist
in standard reference works?
636
00:36:27,552 --> 00:36:29,679
Yes, that's right.
637
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:32,746
Now you testified that
you interviewed Jesse twice.
638
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:35,623
Did he mention hearing voices
in the first interview?
639
00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:37,457
No, he was afraid to.
640
00:36:37,495 --> 00:36:40,931
So he never mentioned voices
until you brought it up?
641
00:36:40,965 --> 00:36:42,728
- Yes.
- Thank you.
642
00:36:42,767 --> 00:36:45,099
- But...
- Thank you, Doctor.
643
00:36:46,304 --> 00:36:48,397
I think they're
playing with the system.
644
00:36:48,439 --> 00:36:50,066
Lying? All of 'em?
645
00:36:51,375 --> 00:36:53,536
You think
the shrink coached 'em?
646
00:36:53,578 --> 00:36:55,671
Maybe.
647
00:36:55,713 --> 00:36:57,943
Gaffney?
648
00:36:57,982 --> 00:36:59,711
You don't think a lawyer
would do it.
649
00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:03,015
Olivet doesn't think
a shrink would do it.
We're back where we started.
650
00:37:03,054 --> 00:37:06,023
He goes to a hospital, he says
suddenly that he's cured,
651
00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:08,958
he doesn't hear voices anymore,
and he's out on the street again
652
00:37:08,993 --> 00:37:11,826
faster than Lucy Neven
can change her phone number.
653
00:37:14,465 --> 00:37:16,558
I finished Gaffney's cases...
654
00:37:16,601 --> 00:37:19,229
all the way back to '79.
655
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:23,172
13 insanity defenses,
seven acquittals.
656
00:37:23,207 --> 00:37:26,643
Three of them,
defendants were delusional
after they started trial.
657
00:37:26,677 --> 00:37:29,646
- Right.
- It's not a clear pattern.
658
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,841
I grant you it's questionable.
659
00:37:31,882 --> 00:37:34,510
Call Mr. Unger.
Say, if he agrees,
660
00:37:34,552 --> 00:37:36,452
we'd like to meet
with him alone.
661
00:37:39,156 --> 00:37:41,181
That's absurd.
662
00:37:41,225 --> 00:37:44,285
You think
I would lie under oath?
663
00:37:44,328 --> 00:37:47,092
As a parent,
yes, I think you would.
664
00:37:47,131 --> 00:37:49,429
You want my son in jail.
665
00:37:49,467 --> 00:37:51,697
Do you want me in jail, too?
666
00:37:52,903 --> 00:37:54,768
Do you have
children, Mr. Stone?
667
00:37:54,805 --> 00:37:57,899
Are they healthy, happy?
668
00:37:57,942 --> 00:38:00,843
We all want
our children to be happy.
669
00:38:02,113 --> 00:38:05,014
If not so, at least protected.
670
00:38:05,049 --> 00:38:07,950
My son is sick.
671
00:38:07,985 --> 00:38:10,545
There is no dispute.
672
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:14,487
Good night.
673
00:38:21,766 --> 00:38:24,234
He had no right
to drag Bill Unger down here.
674
00:38:24,268 --> 00:38:26,395
Mr. Unger was invited.
675
00:38:26,437 --> 00:38:29,565
You wanted him
to implicate me in perjury.
676
00:38:29,607 --> 00:38:32,940
Three cases, your clients
never heard voices until trial.
677
00:38:32,977 --> 00:38:35,036
Mandel was your shrink
on two of 'em.
678
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,845
If I want to discuss Jesse's
symptoms with his father,
that's my job.
679
00:38:38,883 --> 00:38:40,646
Jack, you're overplaying
your hand.
680
00:38:40,685 --> 00:38:42,380
There's an appearance
of impropriety.
681
00:38:42,420 --> 00:38:44,980
File a complaint
with the disciplinary committee.
682
00:38:47,024 --> 00:38:48,821
The ghost of John Hinkley...
683
00:38:48,859 --> 00:38:50,827
that the problem?
684
00:38:50,861 --> 00:38:54,194
Shoots the President
of the Untied States
and gets off?
685
00:38:55,466 --> 00:38:57,434
You're desperate, aren't you?
686
00:38:57,468 --> 00:38:59,663
You want out of this?
687
00:38:59,704 --> 00:39:01,729
I'll plead it.
688
00:39:01,772 --> 00:39:03,433
Assault one.
689
00:39:04,975 --> 00:39:08,308
Gentleman, think about it.
690
00:39:13,584 --> 00:39:16,280
I don't know, Adam.
Jesse Unger could walk.
691
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,811
Gaffney's bluffing
with assault.
692
00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:22,087
He'll take manslaughter one,
attempt.
693
00:39:25,963 --> 00:39:28,193
I should talk with Lucy Neven.
694
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,561
What does it mean?
How long?
695
00:39:33,604 --> 00:39:37,040
A minimum of five years,
a maximum of 15.
696
00:39:39,610 --> 00:39:41,874
What do you think?
697
00:39:43,013 --> 00:39:45,447
It's your life, but honestly,
698
00:39:45,483 --> 00:39:48,418
I don't know
what that jury'll do.
699
00:39:50,955 --> 00:39:55,722
Is there any way
we can make sure it's 15?
700
00:39:57,061 --> 00:40:01,054
The parole board?
We can recommend.
701
00:40:02,333 --> 00:40:04,233
We have no control over them.
702
00:40:04,268 --> 00:40:06,793
And they're
just as unpredictable as juries.
703
00:40:08,205 --> 00:40:10,435
Why me?
704
00:40:10,474 --> 00:40:12,704
I can't give him anything.
705
00:40:16,647 --> 00:40:20,606
I'll take my chances
with the jury,
706
00:40:20,651 --> 00:40:23,085
if it's all right with you.
707
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,451
Lucy, the jury...
708
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,495
it may not give you
what you want.
709
00:40:32,530 --> 00:40:37,229
What I want is what I had.
710
00:40:41,906 --> 00:40:45,808
How often do you hear
this voice, Jesse?
711
00:40:45,843 --> 00:40:49,609
She talks to me
when I get confused.
712
00:40:49,647 --> 00:40:52,616
It's a woman's
voice?
Mm-hmm.
713
00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:55,448
Does the voice have a name?
714
00:40:55,486 --> 00:40:58,853
No, she's...
she's just there.
715
00:40:58,889 --> 00:41:00,447
What does she tell you?
716
00:41:00,491 --> 00:41:04,188
Can't talk about that.
717
00:41:04,228 --> 00:41:06,355
Jesse...
718
00:41:06,397 --> 00:41:11,494
did this voice tell you
to hurt Lucy Neven?
719
00:41:14,004 --> 00:41:18,373
She told me that if Lucy
wouldn't love me,
720
00:41:18,409 --> 00:41:20,934
that I had to kill her.
721
00:41:24,215 --> 00:41:26,740
Is this your handwriting?
722
00:41:26,784 --> 00:41:29,048
Mm-hmm.
723
00:41:29,086 --> 00:41:31,714
Did you write this to Lucy
and send it to her?
724
00:41:31,755 --> 00:41:33,723
Yes, I did.
725
00:41:33,757 --> 00:41:36,817
I'd like you to read
from the top,
726
00:41:36,861 --> 00:41:38,920
out loud to the court.
727
00:41:41,265 --> 00:41:44,325
"Dear Lucy,
I know you understand,
728
00:41:44,368 --> 00:41:47,599
I never meant to hurt you.
I wanted to protect you."
729
00:41:47,638 --> 00:41:51,768
Louder, son,
so everyone can hear.
730
00:41:54,378 --> 00:41:57,779
"I know you understand
I never meant to hurt you.
731
00:41:57,815 --> 00:42:00,181
I wanted to protect you.
732
00:42:00,217 --> 00:42:02,777
I know that you care about me.
733
00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:05,084
I know we could be together.
734
00:42:05,122 --> 00:42:07,317
I would do anything for you.
735
00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:10,384
I didn't want to hit you.
736
00:42:10,427 --> 00:42:12,725
I love you.
737
00:42:12,763 --> 00:42:15,596
See, inside we're the same.
738
00:42:15,633 --> 00:42:17,828
We're the same people."
739
00:42:20,170 --> 00:42:22,035
Thank you, Jesse.
740
00:42:25,643 --> 00:42:27,668
Mr. Unger,
how old were you
741
00:42:27,711 --> 00:42:30,874
when you first heard
this woman's voice?
742
00:42:30,915 --> 00:42:34,009
I don't remember.
She's always with me.
743
00:42:35,219 --> 00:42:37,380
And aside from Lucy Neven,
744
00:42:37,421 --> 00:42:40,254
did the voice ask you
to hurt other people?
745
00:42:40,291 --> 00:42:42,589
I don't remember.
746
00:42:43,794 --> 00:42:45,591
If you had the opportunity,
747
00:42:45,629 --> 00:42:48,530
would you still want
to talk with Lucy Neven?
748
00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:49,863
Uh-huh.
749
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:51,731
Would you continue
to write to her?
750
00:42:51,769 --> 00:42:53,828
Yes, I'd have to.
751
00:42:53,871 --> 00:42:58,205
And if you had the opportunity,
would you want to pursue
a relationship with her?
752
00:42:59,410 --> 00:43:02,208
I don't know. Maybe.
753
00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:05,810
Nothing's changed.
754
00:43:05,849 --> 00:43:08,443
Nothing's changed?
755
00:43:08,485 --> 00:43:11,648
No. Nothing.
756
00:43:15,626 --> 00:43:18,151
So what are you to decide?
757
00:43:18,195 --> 00:43:22,222
In our society, we make
exceptions for mental illness.
758
00:43:22,266 --> 00:43:25,030
But should
that exception be made
759
00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:28,368
when it endangers
the life of another human being?
760
00:43:28,405 --> 00:43:31,499
And Jesse Unger
has made it perfectly clear
761
00:43:31,542 --> 00:43:34,807
that he will come after
Lucy Neven again and again,
762
00:43:34,845 --> 00:43:36,972
until he gets
what he wants from her.
763
00:43:37,014 --> 00:43:39,278
And if he can't have her,
764
00:43:39,316 --> 00:43:41,978
he'll make sure
no one else does.
765
00:43:42,019 --> 00:43:44,715
Now, is this obsession insane?
766
00:43:47,391 --> 00:43:50,883
No one can completely know
the mind of another human being.
767
00:43:50,928 --> 00:43:54,489
We can't crawl inside his skin
and see the world as he sees it.
768
00:43:54,531 --> 00:43:56,465
However, we do know
769
00:43:56,500 --> 00:44:00,129
that Jesse Unger had
no documented history
770
00:44:00,170 --> 00:44:02,798
of delusional episodes
prior to this case.
771
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,332
In fact, he made
no mention of delusions
772
00:44:06,377 --> 00:44:09,471
or hearing voices
until after his father
773
00:44:09,513 --> 00:44:13,677
had asked for a second
psychiatric evaluation.
774
00:44:13,717 --> 00:44:16,709
Now, under the law,
we human beings
775
00:44:16,754 --> 00:44:18,585
are responsible
for our actions,
776
00:44:18,622 --> 00:44:22,786
except for one thing...
delusional mental illness.
777
00:44:24,428 --> 00:44:28,421
Jesse Unger's convenient
and last-minute reporting
778
00:44:28,465 --> 00:44:32,060
of this condition
is a responsible act.
779
00:44:32,102 --> 00:44:36,004
He knows,
as clearly as you or I,
780
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,634
that he brutally
attacked Lucy Neven.
781
00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:40,974
And he knows just as clearly
782
00:44:41,011 --> 00:44:44,742
what he has to do
to escape punishment.
783
00:44:44,782 --> 00:44:49,742
Now, he destroyed
Lucy Neven's life.
784
00:44:51,388 --> 00:44:53,856
Hold him responsible for it.
785
00:44:58,429 --> 00:45:00,522
On the sole count
of the indictment,
786
00:45:00,564 --> 00:45:03,294
attempted murder in the second
degree, how do you find?
787
00:45:03,333 --> 00:45:05,824
We find the defendant guilty.
788
00:45:05,869 --> 00:45:09,032
- - I thank the jury
for their service.
789
00:45:09,073 --> 00:45:10,904
- Court is adjourned.
790
00:45:10,941 --> 00:45:12,636
Sentencing hearing
to be scheduled.
791
00:45:12,676 --> 00:45:15,804
- Excuse me.
- Let's get out of here.
792
00:45:15,846 --> 00:45:17,814
Thank you.
793
00:45:36,033 --> 00:45:39,366
Well, you may not be happy.
Lucy Neven is.
794
00:45:39,403 --> 00:45:42,338
You know as well as I do
that the law ought
to be changed.
795
00:45:42,372 --> 00:45:44,237
Juries are not psychiatrists.
796
00:45:44,274 --> 00:45:46,742
He never got the help
he needed, Ben.
797
00:45:46,777 --> 00:45:49,405
And the jury followed
the only law we've got.
798
00:45:49,446 --> 00:45:52,677
We're not gods.
We're not even angels.
799
00:45:53,984 --> 00:45:56,885
He should be in a hospital.
We put him in jail.61459
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