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I've seen
pretty unethical practices
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about mass culling of deer
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that I think would turn
most people's stomachs,
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not just sportsmen.
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They actually had seen
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a helicopter moving deer and
they kinda shoot an arena.
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There would've been at
least a dozen to 15 rifles.
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So
if we don't manage them,
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their numbers will grow.
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They'll track the habitat,
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and then they'll die miserable deaths.
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There must
have been about five, 600 deer
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in the circle, and it really was cruel.
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You could see the steam
coming off this deer.
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They were just utterly
stressed out to their mind.
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There's certainly been
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the use of helicopters to round up deer
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and effectively get 'em
into large segregations,
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where there's been multiple
shooters firing into the herds.
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The deer have been left to rot and sit
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and certainly grates
with the sporting ethics.
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The
human effort required
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to drag or carry stags out,
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or even the practicalities of using ponies
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to take them out in these situations
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is such that the carbon cost
associated with economic cost
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is so high.
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And then, you have to weigh that up
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against the biodiversity benefits
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from leaving carcasses on the hill.
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And of
course, there was a mass panic.
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It was a complete disgrace.
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It's just a case of killing deer.
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It's not management of deer, no.
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It's just killing deer.
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The roar of the stags in
the highland is now gone.
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So, this castle in Scotland is famous
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for holding out against
Oliver Cromwell's invasion
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after he chopped off the head of Charles I
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and we had crowned Charles II at Scone.
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I'm here to explore the
plight of the rural folks
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that live in the Highlands
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and their relationship with wildlife.
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How does history affect
today's modern land use issues?
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Scholar's relationship with the lands
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encapsulated in that story.
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You've got conflict.
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You've got the relationship
between those and power
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and those in lowly position.
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You've got survival, greed,
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who owns resources and how
to protect what's yours.
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Picts settled along these outcrops,
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tribal peoples who lived with the land.
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The history and mythology
of the stone of destiny
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are all wrapped up in
the biblical struggle
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between Jacob and Esau.
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The conflict between hunter
gatherers working with the land
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and farmers controlling and managing it.
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And then when landless
vikings came looking for land,
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the Picts and Scots came together
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to forge what we call Scotland.
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Not long after that,
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Norman's crossed English channel.
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More second sons seeking
estates for themselves.
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And David I of Scotland brought them
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in feudal land tenure with them.
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The king owned the land and
the game that honed on it.
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A forest wasn't a place of trees.
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It was a royal hunting grounds.
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And he divided it amongst his nobility
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and that division between high
and low became starker still.
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But in the Highland, these tribal groups
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developed the clans who
belonged to the land.
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To them, they were clan lands.
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And so, the chief was
a steward of the lands.
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And so, you had like common
grazings and summer shillings
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and of course, you had
cattle raids and clan feuds
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when resources were scarce, yeah.
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And the Culloden changed all that.
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Culloden was where 10 groups
attached to the land ended.
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It wasn't just a battle
that was lost that day,
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but lifestyle.
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New landowners were brought in.
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Existing chiefs changed
from stewards who managed
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to landlords who rented the land.
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When this sort of sheep
is more profitable,
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the human tenants were displaced, cleared,
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and shipped across the Americas.
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And the connection between
people and land was broken.
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See, there's always been
tension for resources
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in these islands.
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Even to this day, the
English are always going,
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"Yeah, we subsidize you
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and we needed that money
for our own hospitals."
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And of course, the Scots was going,
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"Yeah, well you took our oil
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and we needed that for cooking chips."
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You know?
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It was just.
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Walter Scott popularized highland culture.
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And Queen Victoria came
north, fell in love,
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and bought Balmoral over the hills there.
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The Victorian era brought trains
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and estates became a playground for toffs
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to come hunting, shooting, and fishing,
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reinforcing that separation
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between the people who owned the land
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and those who had belonged to.
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Much of our coastal and lowland areas
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were stripped to trees by humans.
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Based in secondhand Roman
chroniclers, popular history
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established a narrative of
the great forest of Culloden
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spanning the land.
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There's been a movement to rewild the land
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with age old trees, plants, and animals.
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While Scots now have the
right to roam the land,
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there is a group who feel targeted.
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The keepers, stalkers, and gillies,
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working for the landed gentry,
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whose relationship with the
land spans almost two centuries.
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They feel like they're in
the government's crosshairs.
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It's a way of life that may disappear.
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Scotland,
known for its rolling hills.
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It's glens. It's heather.
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But for many, the reality
is very different.
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Greenock on the river Clyde
was once a bustling port,
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handling tobacco, sugar,
rum from a global empire.
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In the Industrial
Revolution, this town rattled
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with the sound of some of the
world's first steam engines
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driving factories and mills.
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And back then, Clyde built
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was a mark of shipbuilding excellence.
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The highlands were being depopulated
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as the Scottish central
belt, factories, and mills
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soaked up the displaced,
often in poor housing
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and cramped conditions.
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And to this day, 70% of Scots
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live in this narrow and
industrialized central ban
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long after the shipyards
and mills fell silent.
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And this Central Belt dominates politics
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with Scotland's parliament
and affluent Edinburgh
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having autonomous control of domestic law.
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From highland life, these people
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are generations removed, a world away.
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But in Scotland, the difference
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is often just a matter of perception.
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Scotland today is in the midst
of a battle over land use.
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On one side are the so-called
conservation groups,
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politicians, and climate activists.
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On the other are landowners
and the rural communities
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impacted by the policy decisions.
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At the crux of the conflict
are sporting estates,
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which generate income that
fuels the rural economy
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through the recreational hunting of deer,
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grouse, and pheasants.
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So we have a government
now, a Scottish government,
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that two ambitions.
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One is a breakup the union.
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The other is a breakup
of a sport in states.
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And they're making life so
unbearable and unmanageable,
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unworkable, that it's very
difficult to do our job
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the way it should be done.
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We are managing these areas of habitat
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for the benefit of very, very few people.
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They'll conveniently overlook
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the very large amounts of money
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that those very, very
few people will pay to do
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what they wanna do, what they hope to do,
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and aspire to do on those
bits of ground, which in turn,
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generates all sorts of
socio and economic factors.
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They just look at the downside,
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which is we're smashing things
up, we're suppressing it,
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we're doing bad stuff,
and we should be stopped.
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We are in the midst of a
bit of a biodiversity crisis,
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a nature crisis.
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We are a country that
is traditionally thought
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to be rich in nature,
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but actually many of
our wildlife populations
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are suffering.
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We're also a very deforested country,
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quite a degraded country,
industrial agriculture,
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industrial forestry.
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The habitat that you see
around here, the landscape,
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the animals that inhabit it,
and the way it's laid out
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is all the consequences of human choices.
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All the shepherds that came
to live in the Highlands
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came because the sheep were here.
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All the gamekeepers, and
gillies, and stalkers
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that were here to show
benefit to sportsmen
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from grouse, and salmon,
and deer came here
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and lived in the houses
that were built for them
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to support that activity and that habitat.
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The big challenge really
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is to manage our wildlife resources,
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our wider habitat resource
in a sustainable way
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and resolve many of the
big conflicts there are
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over how that management takes place
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and who makes the decisions.
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Trying to find middle ground in there
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and a workable solution
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is definitely problematic at times.
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The wildlife side of things,
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the actual sort of
wildlife conservation then
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can get completely lost
in the people politics.
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One keeper is Alex Jenkins,
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who at age 38 is working his dream job
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at Edinglassie estate in Straton.
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My job is to look
after the running estate.
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We're primarily a sporting
estate, a driven grouse moor.
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I manage the deer as well.
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I oversee a lot of the
grazing aspect to the estate,
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conduct all the muirburn,
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look after the roads, infrastructure,
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property side of things,
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and a bit forestry work as well.
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We also do a lot of conservation work
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on the in by ground for waders.
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We plant species rich grassland.
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Red grouse is one of our
indigenous grouse species.
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My whole year revolves
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around trying to hopefully
produce a surplus stock
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that we can take.
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When numbers are very low, we don't shoot.
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It's not in our interest to shoot.
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We count our grouse
twice a year every year
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and have done decades now,
if not a hundred years.
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Generally sitting over a hundred grouse
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to the kilometer square.
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And that's gonna allow me
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for a very moderate
shooting program this year.
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But we know from generations of experience
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when we can afford to
shoot and when we can't.
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It can be a hugely rewarding
way of life being a keeper.
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We're very fortunate
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that we get to work up
in these environments.
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The majority of the
people that live here
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and their families have
been here for generations,
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very supportive and understanding.
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You feel like you belong.
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You don't feel like an outsider.
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I'm the last traditional
employed gamekeeper
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on an estate left on the Isle of Skye now.
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Skye used to have a
rich sporting tradition,
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with private estates
employing gatekeepers.
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Having gamekeepers on this estate
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means that not only is it
employment for local people,
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but the added a benefit to
the environment, to crafting,
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to farming communities is massive.
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I was born and raised and
brought up on a housing estate
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in the middle of a town city.
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So, I haven't got
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that kind of background with
gamekeepers in the family,
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but it's something that I've wanted to do.
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I always wanted to have that feeling.
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I needed to be out out on the hill.
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And I've been doing it now
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for just over 30 years
in a gamekeeper role.
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I think the most difficult part
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about being a wife to a gamekeeper
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is understanding what
they're going through I think
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because there's a lot of pressure.
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Not just Scott, but other gamekeepers
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may not want to tell their partners
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because of worrying them.
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So, there's always
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- that.
- Bobbie.
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There's always that sort of thought,
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you know, "Is he all right?"
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'Cause he spends a lot of
time on his own, you know?
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He is out on the hill on his
own, doing the deer count,
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doing the deer call, and
it must get quite lonely.
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So, I do worry about that side of things.
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It is really hard to live
as a gamekeeper's wife.
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I'm warm.
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I know.
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I know that there are nights
when they don't come home
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for long time.
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I know that I'm bringing
up a family without them.
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They don't go to the schools.
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They don't get chance to go to the events
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that as the children are growing up.
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And so it is really, really hard.
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At its core, this controversy
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is a clash of ideologies.
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A class warfare centered on
how we should manage the land.
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On one side, there's a commitment
to wildlife conservation
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for both financial gain
and cultural preservation.
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On the other, the rewilding movement
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advocates for letting
nature be truly wild,
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free from human management.
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The epicenter of this clash,
grouse moors and red deer.
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Grouse moors often are misunderstood,
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but they're a vital ecosystem
supporting endangered species.
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Although historical evidence
challenges this claim,
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red deer accused of causing deforestation,
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has become a focal point.
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It's a battle between
carefully woven tapestries
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and the allure of leaving
nature's canvas untouched
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by human hands.
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For me, rewilding is anything
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that counteracts more dewilding.
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Anything that joins up
and enriches habitats
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rather than further
fragment and degrade them.
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Anything that results in more nature
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and not less nature.
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It is a fact that we
have lost certain species
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from our country over decades, centuries.
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It's also a fact that everything existed
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before we were around
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in a rather better way than it does now.
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It's not our prerogative to say
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whether trees will grow there or not.
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We just want to create
the right environment
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if the trees want to grow.
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But when things start getting gritty,
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and granular, and confused,
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and we don't have a lot
of the data we need,
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it's very easy just to
be overruled by the tree.
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I mean, the trees look great.
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We kind of have this sort
of innate association
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that there should be trees
because we love trees,
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because they're sort of
built into our understanding
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of what nature and wildlife should be.
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It's not as simple as just
the more trees we have,
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the better we're gonna do,
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the better things are gonna be for us.
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People blame the introduction of sheep
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for getting rid of the trees.
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But the sheep weren't introduced
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till during the Highland
Clearances after 1750.
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And woodland was only
about 45% of the landscape
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before sheep came along there.
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There's a famous Scottish
geologist way back in 1866,
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James Geikie.
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And he concluded then that the woodlands
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had died out naturally.
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And all the evidence looking
at tree remains in peat.
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And the
evidence shows that woodland
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has been declining for the
last four to 5,000 years
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or 7,000 years in some places.
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The rewilding word is incredibly loaded
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with lots of connotations,
whether justified or not.
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But one of the connotations
might be that in some way
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the rewilding word is anti-people,
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anti-community, anti something.
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We are more than capable of
looking after our natural assets
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and having vibrant communities
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living in amongst those areas.
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Without this I idea
that it's one or other.
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At the moment, it's one that,
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it's a word that I find
unhelpful in terms of the debate
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because it's polarized.
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I would prefer we talk
about ecological restoration,
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or nature restoration, or
even peatland recovery.
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That's what I want to see.
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I want to see our wetlands, our peatlands,
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our forests, our rivers
restore to ecological health.
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But if you choose to
label it rewilding, okay,
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you immediately enter a
whole series of debates,
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like was this wild at land
wild in the first place,
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'cause you're implying it was, right?
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And excuse me, my ancestors lived here.
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You know, this is a degraded
environmentally habitat,
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but it's also a depopulated environment.
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Are you actually saying
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we should all live in a nature reserve?
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So, those were the kind
of responses to that.
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And in my view, it's set
up a fairly unhelpful
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and unproductive debate,
which needn't have been.
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There's a big difference between trees
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and a woodland ecosystem.
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Our tree cover is something like 18%.
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The average across Europe is about 37%.
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So, trees plays a part in it,
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but as does heather, blaeberry, wood ants,
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badgers, otters, all of these species
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are components in a system.
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And it's the system, it's the
functionality of the system
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that we as rewilders want to improve.
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It's been known for a long
time that you get an ice age,
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then you get the climate changes
warms up after an ice age,
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and then plants colonize.
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The soils are quite rich
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from more than glacial mixing of the soil.
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And woodland expands
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and that's what's called
the mesocratic phase.
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But in this part of all, it rains,
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and it rains, and it rains.
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And after 10,000 years of rain,
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the nutrients get leached out of the soil.
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It becomes too acidic for
earthworms, so you get podzols.
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You often get an iron pan,
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a solid layer of iron
precipitating out in the soil,
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which is impenetrable.
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So in fact, the soil deteriorates
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and the climate may deteriorate
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after the middle phase of an interglacial,
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you get the mesocratic phase,
then the oligocratic phase.
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And that means that the
woodland declines naturally
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and you get more acid moorland
and heathland and peat bog.
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So at this stage, we about
10,000 years after interglacial,
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you expect woodland have declined
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and moorland to become dominant.
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And that for an open landscape
with woodland
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is a natural feature you'd expect.
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But every time you plant trees
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on Scottish upland vegetation,
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you're resulting a loss of biodiversity
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'cause you're reducing the area
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of natural habitat in Scotland.
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So, you can't plant trees really,
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or certain commercial trees
without losing biodiversity.
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So, and also the landscape.
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So not only damage in the
soils, dubious climate impact,
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you also change a natural landscape
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into an artificial landscape.
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And windthrow is a huge problem.
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A lot of the new native wooden
plantations been put up.
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will just blow over.
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A lot fo economic use for the trees.
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And in 50 or 60 years time,
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you end up with a huge lot
of wind blown plantations
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and no use to anybody,
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having destroyed a natural open landscape
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in the process of creating them.
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The trees are there just now.
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All we're saying is just
like the trees grow.
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So if you reduce the grazing pressure,
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we don't need to plant trees.
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This notion that the climate
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is such that trees don't
want to grow in Scotland,
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it's a construct that people
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are working quite hard to create.
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But the problem with the argument
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is that, well, what happens
if the trees are there
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and they just want to grow?
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Nobody's planting them.
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You're just reducing the
deer grazing pressure
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and the trees are starting to grow.
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What then?
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And is it not slightly unusual
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that Scotland is almost
unique across Europe
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and it doesn't have a natural tree life?
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That's not to do with
our climate or anything.
447
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That's just to do the
fact it's been overgrazed.
448
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Land reform is being debated
by the Scottish government.
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The arguments come down
to who owns the land
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and who has the right to
determine its best use.
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We had hardly heard of land reform.
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We had, but it seemed to be
something very, very distant,
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promoted by a very, very small minority.
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I would say their
motivation is neo-Marxist.
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I mean, they want to see the breaking up
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of large land holdings.
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Scotland is a wild
country, a lot of mountain,
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a lot of moorland, and
you need large areas
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in order to be able to manage
them viably and efficiently.
460
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Who pays to stop, or
prevent, or disincentivize
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the farmer from ripping up a forest
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or, you know, filling in
an a peat bog or whatever?
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Those systems are benefiting
the whole of society
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and therefore, the whole of
society has to contribute
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to the maintenance of those systems
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or the preservation of those systems.
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And that includes the business sector.
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And if we can get to a situation
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where we have the private
sector fueling nature recovery,
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but what gets spat out at the other end
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is community benefit.
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And that might be money.
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It might be jobs.
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It might be recreational opportunities.
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It might be ecosystem services.
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If we can get that conveyor
belt flowing more freely,
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then I think we've gotta,
maybe not a perfect situation,
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but a situation that's
moving towards rewilding
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a nature recovery becoming an
economically viable land use.
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We're not there yet, but that
is the direction of travel.
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So, I think the problem with rewilding
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is to put it in a nutshell,
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it embraces a lot of concepts
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which are problematic
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and come into conflict with each other.
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And some of the more
modern advocates of it
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are people who are coming in,
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buying a lot of land
and restoring forests.
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But these people often
tend to be very wealthy
490
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and they immediately bring
with them the baggage
491
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associated with the whole
debate around land ownership,
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because they're buying large
areas of land to rewild.
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So again, that makes
this debate complicated
494
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because people who don't want
foreigners, or wealthy people,
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or people buying large areas of land,
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find themselves critical of an endeavor,
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which in other terms
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were it to be done by other people maybe
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if it were to be done by themselves maybe
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would be regarded as quite positive.
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Across the millennia,
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the patterns of land use in Scotland
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have sculpted the tapestry
of the rural highlands.
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Today, a collective yearning exists
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to enhance Scotland's biodiversity,
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yet finding consensus on the precise goals
507
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remains a formidable challenge.
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It's a delicate dance
between preserving tradition
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and forging a sustainable future.
510
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You see an effort to
target heather moorland
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and plant trees on it.
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And then, we look
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at marginal agricultural
lands at lower elevations,
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where there's actual biodiversity loss.
515
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Why doesn't the rewilding
movement target these lands?
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Again, I don't think
rewilding is targeting,
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00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:29,370
as you put it, a given
habitat or a given land use.
518
00:22:29,370 --> 00:22:31,470
I think there are some extremes.
519
00:22:31,470 --> 00:22:33,447
You might argue that driven grouse moors
520
00:22:33,447 --> 00:22:38,250
are one such extreme, where
the intensity of the management
521
00:22:38,250 --> 00:22:41,310
in some cases is undoubtedly detrimental.
522
00:22:41,310 --> 00:22:42,600
Maybe not to red grouse,
523
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,130
but to a whole range of other species.
524
00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:47,790
And there's, you know, routine
calling of stokes, weasels,
525
00:22:47,790 --> 00:22:50,280
foxes, corvids on those estates.
526
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,590
One of the challenges in Scotland
527
00:22:52,590 --> 00:22:56,580
or in rural places really
across Europe is depopulation,
528
00:22:56,580 --> 00:22:59,550
especially young people
leaving rural areas
529
00:22:59,550 --> 00:23:00,930
to go and work in the city.
530
00:23:00,930 --> 00:23:02,550
It's completely understandable.
531
00:23:02,550 --> 00:23:05,130
We believe that rewilding
is not a silver bullet,
532
00:23:05,130 --> 00:23:07,890
but if we get it right, it
brings benefits for nature,
533
00:23:07,890 --> 00:23:09,600
it brings benefits for climate,
534
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,960
but crucially, it also
brings benefits for people.
535
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,970
If you have a look at the
biodiversity within these areas,
536
00:23:17,970 --> 00:23:20,130
they're often far greater
than anywhere else.
537
00:23:20,130 --> 00:23:23,520
And I dunno why people
538
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,520
don't seem to understand why that is.
539
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,220
And unfortunately, I think
it comes all the way down
540
00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:32,940
to this emotional aspect that
people just want to believe
541
00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:34,830
that yes, nature will just prevail.
542
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:37,482
We don't need to do
anything. That's not the case
543
00:23:42,540 --> 00:23:45,420
On sporting estates
specializing in grouse shooting,
544
00:23:45,420 --> 00:23:47,700
one of the critical
roles of the gamekeepers
545
00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:50,670
to manage the land in a way that maximizes
546
00:23:50,670 --> 00:23:54,750
the number of grouse available
each year for the hunt.
547
00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:57,843
The Glorious Twelfth is the
first day of grouse season.
548
00:23:58,860 --> 00:24:01,560
The sporting estates support
various rural businesses,
549
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,860
including Pam Blackhall,
who has run Wm Blackhall,
550
00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:08,850
makers of fine kilts and
tailoring for three generations.
551
00:24:08,850 --> 00:24:10,878
You are wanting a new suit
552
00:24:10,878 --> 00:24:12,284
- or is it-
- Yes, please.
553
00:24:12,284 --> 00:24:13,617
I just...
554
00:24:13,617 --> 00:24:14,584
Just a pair of breaks.
555
00:24:14,584 --> 00:24:16,670
A pair of breaks this year, please, Pam.
556
00:24:16,670 --> 00:24:18,114
And I'm needing a new hat and I-
557
00:24:18,114 --> 00:24:18,947
Would you like a cap,
558
00:24:18,947 --> 00:24:19,780
- right?
- Yes, please.
559
00:24:19,780 --> 00:24:20,760
Let
just take a note to that.
560
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,720
A lot of the tweets are
designed for camouflage.
561
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,450
So, there's historically they
were supposed to blend in
562
00:24:27,450 --> 00:24:30,420
with the, you know,
the heather, the rocks.
563
00:24:30,420 --> 00:24:34,260
The business has been
going for 101 years now,
564
00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:39,260
and I've been doing it myself since 1992.
565
00:24:39,420 --> 00:24:44,420
My father took over
from his father in 1966.
566
00:24:44,463 --> 00:24:49,380
And my grandfather started
the business in 1921.
567
00:24:49,380 --> 00:24:51,033
I probably have a pool
568
00:24:51,033 --> 00:24:55,680
of about 35 to 40 different estates
569
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,513
that I work for.
570
00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:00,420
And normally in a year,
571
00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:04,020
I will do possibly up to about 28 states
572
00:25:04,020 --> 00:25:06,900
outta that 35.
573
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:11,250
So, it's quite a lucrative
business to be honest,
574
00:25:11,250 --> 00:25:13,609
as long as everybody keeps going.
575
00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:18,020
So the day starts for me pretty early.
576
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:22,410
I think most head keepers
would be the same.
577
00:25:22,410 --> 00:25:25,109
You don't get much sleep the night before.
578
00:25:25,942 --> 00:25:26,775
Morning boys, how are you?
579
00:25:26,775 --> 00:25:27,608
- Good.
- Yeah.
580
00:25:27,608 --> 00:25:28,441
So, how's the game?
581
00:25:28,441 --> 00:25:29,274
- Pete.
- Alex.
582
00:25:29,274 --> 00:25:30,840
I look like him almost,
but yeah, how you doing?
583
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:31,673
It's all good.
584
00:25:31,673 --> 00:25:33,556
Yeah, good, good. Baller.
585
00:25:33,556 --> 00:25:34,389
Hi.
586
00:25:34,389 --> 00:25:35,222
Hi.
587
00:25:35,222 --> 00:25:36,055
What regiment are you boys?
588
00:25:36,055 --> 00:25:38,580
Eh
589
00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:39,630
Oh, a bit whole different.
590
00:25:39,630 --> 00:25:40,463
Yeah, yeah.
591
00:25:40,463 --> 00:25:41,370
Yeah, yeah. Cool.
592
00:25:41,370 --> 00:25:42,203
Done A bad being.
593
00:25:42,203 --> 00:25:43,036
Nice.
594
00:25:43,036 --> 00:25:43,869
Yeah.
595
00:25:43,869 --> 00:25:45,248
Seasoned beaters like half.
596
00:25:45,248 --> 00:25:46,200
Nice.
597
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,940
Good stuff, guys.
598
00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:50,550
At Edinglassie estate,
organizing a driven grouse shoot
599
00:25:50,550 --> 00:25:51,660
is no small feat.
600
00:25:51,660 --> 00:25:54,720
Alex oversees 30 beaters
driving wild red grouse
601
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,340
toward eight guns or hunters
stations and butts or blinds.
602
00:25:59,340 --> 00:26:01,380
The typical day involves six drives,
603
00:26:01,380 --> 00:26:02,520
and on a larger estate,
604
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,830
birds may be pushed in two directions
605
00:26:04,830 --> 00:26:06,930
during back-to-back drives.
606
00:26:06,930 --> 00:26:08,780
22 and a half old, 90.
607
00:26:09,864 --> 00:26:13,800
Okay,.
608
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,860
Alex and his beekeepers
meticulously sort the grouse
609
00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:18,420
after a day's work.
610
00:26:18,420 --> 00:26:20,850
The young birds find
their way to game dealers,
611
00:26:20,850 --> 00:26:22,980
distributing them to
restaurants and markets
612
00:26:22,980 --> 00:26:24,720
across the UK.
613
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,300
Each gun takes home a brace or two,
614
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:29,970
while beaters and support
staff depart with a brace
615
00:26:29,970 --> 00:26:31,095
for their own tables.
616
00:26:35,070 --> 00:26:38,370
The famed Glorious Twelfth
marks the start of grouse season
617
00:26:38,370 --> 00:26:40,470
upholding a longstanding tradition
618
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:43,560
of featuring this quarry
in the finest restaurants
619
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,099
across Scotland.
620
00:26:45,099 --> 00:26:46,500
The grouse to me is the holy grail.
621
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:48,390
It's the holy grail of what we do here.
622
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:49,920
It's heap in history.
623
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,800
It's something that we're
really proud to do here
624
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,700
in the restaurant.
625
00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,970
Every year, we celebrate
it, the Glorious Twelfth.
626
00:26:56,970 --> 00:26:58,560
People come from all over the world
627
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,210
to eat the grouse on the 12th,
628
00:27:00,210 --> 00:27:01,800
but we don't take it
for granted, you know?
629
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,500
The work that goes into, you know,
630
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:06,360
keeping the grouse to shooting the grouse,
631
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,210
to protecting the grouse, to
keeping the traditional alive,
632
00:27:09,210 --> 00:27:10,043
you know?
633
00:27:10,043 --> 00:27:11,850
So someone like Andy going to pick it up
634
00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:13,530
from the shoot, the goat, the gamekeepers
635
00:27:13,530 --> 00:27:16,080
looking after the grouse
through the tough times
636
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,770
from when the exit hatched to now.
637
00:27:19,770 --> 00:27:22,260
It's part of the journey
and it goes hand in hand
638
00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:25,560
with what we do here and our
philosophy of nature to plate.
639
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,240
The young birds of
which are really tender.
640
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,110
This is what we're after.
641
00:27:28,110 --> 00:27:28,980
This is the holy grail.
642
00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:31,080
This is when you eat it, it's like butter.
643
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,757
It's tender. It's absolutely delicious.
644
00:27:35,490 --> 00:27:37,320
Grouse moors on shooting estates
645
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,030
undergo intense management,
646
00:27:39,030 --> 00:27:41,610
a crucial responsibility
of the gamekeeper,
647
00:27:41,610 --> 00:27:44,400
sparking debates about the land's usage.
648
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,770
However, many argue that it's hard
649
00:27:46,770 --> 00:27:49,260
to justify using this land this way,
650
00:27:49,260 --> 00:27:52,050
but science tells us a different story.
651
00:27:52,050 --> 00:27:55,440
Grouse moor management provides
the habitat for the grouse
652
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,300
and reduces the predation level
653
00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:00,510
and the disease risk for grouse.
654
00:28:00,510 --> 00:28:02,820
But that also means that other species
655
00:28:02,820 --> 00:28:05,790
that enjoy the same
habitats, such as the waders,
656
00:28:05,790 --> 00:28:09,300
like curlew, they're
having the same benefits.
657
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:11,370
Well, we're gonna do a grouse count
658
00:28:11,370 --> 00:28:14,010
so that we can look at how many young
659
00:28:14,010 --> 00:28:16,110
and how many old grouse
there are on this bit.
660
00:28:16,110 --> 00:28:18,360
And it's a bit of ground
that we count every year.
661
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:22,530
I walk along the transact and
the dog quarters in front.
662
00:28:22,530 --> 00:28:25,050
So, the dog will be hunting with the wind
663
00:28:25,050 --> 00:28:26,400
looking for grouse.
664
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,890
And whenever any grouse flush,
665
00:28:28,890 --> 00:28:32,730
we need to write down how
many old and how many young,
666
00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:35,460
because all the data I collect
obviously goes straight
667
00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:38,820
to the estates and they compare
it with previous counts.
668
00:28:38,820 --> 00:28:40,740
But from our point of view
669
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:43,080
as the Game and Wildlife
Conservation Trust,
670
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,280
we're collecting this data,
671
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,740
so that we can look at long-term trends
672
00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:49,680
and compare the kind of management
that's done on the grouse
673
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,517
with, you know, what impact
it is on the grouse themselves
674
00:28:52,517 --> 00:28:55,593
and on other wildlife that
shares the same habitats.
675
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,970
If it's more about
less animals being shot,
676
00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:03,030
would you have a problem with grouse mores
677
00:29:03,030 --> 00:29:05,610
if they weren't so intensively managed?
678
00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:09,510
I mean, the purpose is not
to shoot large bag limits.
679
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:12,210
So, I struggle still to get to
680
00:29:12,210 --> 00:29:15,600
is that there's any biodiversity benefit
681
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,430
from grouse moors of any sort.
682
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:19,440
Large areas of land are being given award
683
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,120
for the management of a single species
684
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,670
for the very privileged few to benefit.
685
00:29:23,670 --> 00:29:26,340
How do you justify
the loss of biodiversity
686
00:29:26,340 --> 00:29:29,880
if we don't intensively
manage these hill sites?
687
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,430
I struggle to get my head around
688
00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:34,680
even the basis of the argument.
689
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,903
It's what they're sort of saying
690
00:29:35,903 --> 00:29:39,543
is that we have offshoot
benefits from managing for grouse
691
00:29:39,543 --> 00:29:41,400
and we're gonna amplify those,
692
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,790
and then claim that somehow if
we didn't manage for grouse,
693
00:29:44,790 --> 00:29:46,706
those species wouldn't exist.
694
00:29:46,706 --> 00:29:49,263
And you think that's
difficult to understand
695
00:29:49,263 --> 00:29:51,060
that argument actually.
696
00:29:51,060 --> 00:29:53,430
If grouse shooting had never existed
697
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:56,190
and in 2023 in a climate emergency,
698
00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:57,750
in a biodiversity emergency,
699
00:29:57,750 --> 00:30:00,990
somebody suggested it as
a sustainable land use
700
00:30:00,990 --> 00:30:03,900
for the future, it would be laughed at.
701
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:05,700
It would be completely dismissed.
702
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:09,210
And yet, here we have roughly 12, 15%
703
00:30:09,210 --> 00:30:11,010
of Scotland's entire land area
704
00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:13,050
devoted to driven grouse shooting.
705
00:30:13,050 --> 00:30:13,920
Driven grouse shooting
706
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,783
was not really a big
environmental problem as such.
707
00:30:17,783 --> 00:30:19,620
What it was a problem,
708
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:24,206
however, was in the extent
to which they killed anything
709
00:30:24,206 --> 00:30:27,840
that predated on grouse and grouse chicks.
710
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,300
The issue of
predator control on grouse moors
711
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:32,190
is steeped in controversy.
712
00:30:32,190 --> 00:30:35,580
Historically, gamekeepers
and crofters were notorious
713
00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:37,860
for targeting various raptor species
714
00:30:37,860 --> 00:30:40,140
that threatened grouse and lambs.
715
00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:44,130
The killing of raptors was
outlawed in 1954 in Scotland
716
00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:46,200
through the Protection of Birds Act.
717
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,490
However, the actions of a few
rogue keepers who defy the law
718
00:30:50,490 --> 00:30:53,823
cast a shadow over the
reputation of all keepers.
719
00:30:54,810 --> 00:30:56,836
Gamekeepers have come to symbolize
720
00:30:56,836 --> 00:31:01,620
the injustice in land ownership
or the perceived injustice.
721
00:31:01,620 --> 00:31:04,920
There's links as well that we
can't avoid of raptor crime.
722
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,980
And in the past, gamekeeping
models in the country
723
00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:11,130
were responsible for killing a
lot of our predatory species,
724
00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:12,690
but I really think that's very detached
725
00:31:12,690 --> 00:31:14,520
from the model today.
726
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,353
And I think we need to get over that.
727
00:31:15,353 --> 00:31:17,310
There's the historical vestige there
728
00:31:17,310 --> 00:31:19,830
that is really challenging
for wildlife management.
729
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:23,656
We know from a major study
published five years ago
730
00:31:23,656 --> 00:31:28,650
on satellite tagged eagles
was that applying an analysis
731
00:31:28,650 --> 00:31:33,450
of the fate of these eagles,
these birds were disappearing.
732
00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:34,283
That's all they were doing.
733
00:31:34,283 --> 00:31:38,340
They were disappearing at
far, far higher intensities
734
00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:40,530
on areas used for driven grouse moors.
735
00:31:40,530 --> 00:31:43,740
And that is all proven by data.
736
00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:46,050
And that proves that raptor persecution
737
00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:49,710
is still happening on driven grouse moors.
738
00:31:49,710 --> 00:31:51,063
It's just an nonsense.
739
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:54,510
I mean, we've had harriers
breed and draft on
740
00:31:54,510 --> 00:31:55,343
in recent years.
741
00:31:55,343 --> 00:31:58,770
We've got in numerous buzzard nests.
742
00:31:58,770 --> 00:32:01,680
I mean, a lot of the
eagles that were taken
743
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,680
to repopulate Ireland, for example,
744
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,003
came from sporting estate.
745
00:32:06,990 --> 00:32:08,910
This was 20 years ago.
746
00:32:08,910 --> 00:32:11,700
We had enough surplus eagles to ship out
747
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:13,740
to reintroduction programs,
748
00:32:13,740 --> 00:32:16,110
but they hunt on these moors for a reason.
749
00:32:16,110 --> 00:32:18,180
You know, there's plenty of prey.
750
00:32:18,180 --> 00:32:19,440
This is down to our management.
751
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,260
This is because we're
controlling the legal predators
752
00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:25,465
that we can, like the fox, stokes, crows.
753
00:32:25,465 --> 00:32:29,043
And that's why you see so
many raptors on grouse moors.
754
00:32:29,043 --> 00:32:32,610
There's evidence on a regular
basis that is it going on.
755
00:32:32,610 --> 00:32:35,100
Is it going on all estates? No.
756
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:38,340
Is it any more appropriate or moral
757
00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:41,610
to shoot stout or to shoot a golden eagle?
758
00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:43,639
Golden eagle is illegal to shoot
759
00:32:43,639 --> 00:32:46,980
and society rightly recoils in horror,
760
00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:49,987
but stouts are somehow dispensable.
761
00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:54,840
Traditionally, you know, birds of prey
762
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,010
was seen as competition.
763
00:32:56,010 --> 00:32:59,370
So particularly on grouse
moors back in Victorian times,
764
00:32:59,370 --> 00:33:01,410
any predator there that was
competition for the grouse
765
00:33:01,410 --> 00:33:02,610
was eliminated.
766
00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:04,590
You know, we know that
that's part of the history.
767
00:33:04,590 --> 00:33:06,270
A couple hundred years ago,
768
00:33:06,270 --> 00:33:08,580
numbers were, you know, much reduced
769
00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:10,950
due to mostly to human
influence persecution
770
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:12,060
across Scotland.
771
00:33:12,060 --> 00:33:15,240
When legal protection came
in about 50, 60 years ago,
772
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,880
numbers have begun to increase
across most of Scotland,
773
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,250
but in the South we weren't
seeing that increase.
774
00:33:20,250 --> 00:33:22,860
There was a very small
isolated residual population
775
00:33:22,860 --> 00:33:25,830
of just three pairs, so six, seven birds
776
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:28,050
and they weren't producing
enough young for the population
777
00:33:28,050 --> 00:33:29,280
to kind of increase on its own.
778
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,900
So, we decided to do a translocation
779
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:34,140
to bring chicks from nest in
the Highlands and islands down
780
00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:35,100
into the south of Scotland,
781
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:36,840
just to kind of boost that population.
782
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,360
We take a chick from a nest of twins,
783
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,890
taking one, leaving one behind.
784
00:33:40,890 --> 00:33:42,600
We actually work with a qualified vets,
785
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,550
who comes with us to every nest.
786
00:33:44,550 --> 00:33:45,930
They'll do a health check on both birds
787
00:33:45,930 --> 00:33:47,130
and make sure that we are taking
788
00:33:47,130 --> 00:33:49,260
really strong healthy
chicks for translocation.
789
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:50,490
They remain completely wild.
790
00:33:50,490 --> 00:33:52,200
We are feeding them from behind a screen.
791
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,270
So, we're giving them natural
food that they'd expect.
792
00:33:54,270 --> 00:33:56,820
Things like rabbits and
bits and bobs like that.
793
00:33:56,820 --> 00:33:58,200
And they stay in the Avery and they grow
794
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,210
until they're, you know,
would naturally fledge.
795
00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:02,100
So, they're full adult size.
796
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:04,980
We have released 20
juvenile golden eagles.
797
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:07,470
Some of the older birds are
now four, five years old.
798
00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:09,510
They are pairing up,
settling on territories.
799
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:12,180
So, we're now looking at
probably five new territories,
800
00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:13,800
which is brilliant progress
801
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,630
in kinda five, six years that we've had.
802
00:34:15,630 --> 00:34:18,990
Out of the 20 or so birds
that we've translocated,
803
00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:21,960
I'd say 18 or 19 of
them have come from land
804
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:22,890
managed for shooting.
805
00:34:22,890 --> 00:34:25,140
So typically, grouse moors and stalking.
806
00:34:25,140 --> 00:34:26,910
We've not lost any birds to persecution.
807
00:34:26,910 --> 00:34:28,470
If you look at the tag
data from our eagles,
808
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:29,640
they are spending a lot of time
809
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,930
in areas managed for shooting.
810
00:34:30,930 --> 00:34:33,660
I think without those areas,
we wouldn't have the prey base.
811
00:34:33,660 --> 00:34:35,820
We wouldn't have the available
habitat for golden eagle.
812
00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:37,760
So I think it's really, really
kind of key important part
813
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,150
to having them there.
814
00:34:39,150 --> 00:34:40,770
The issues that we have had
815
00:34:40,770 --> 00:34:42,300
have been unrelated to persecution.
816
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:43,620
You know, we've even had tags fall off
817
00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:44,820
and found them on grouse moors.
818
00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:46,860
So, I think jumping to those conclusions
819
00:34:46,860 --> 00:34:49,320
that it's automatically
persecution, I think, is unhelpful.
820
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,210
The keeper support is really important.
821
00:34:51,210 --> 00:34:52,980
So yeah, they have that
incredible knowledge
822
00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:53,910
of their ground.
823
00:34:53,910 --> 00:34:55,620
They often know where
their eagles are nesting
824
00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:56,790
and how they're doing.
825
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:58,290
And in terms of collection, you know,
826
00:34:58,290 --> 00:34:59,730
we really couldn't do it without keepers.
827
00:34:59,730 --> 00:35:02,070
They're helping to often take the team out
828
00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:04,290
to the nest in ATVs or four by fours,
829
00:35:04,290 --> 00:35:06,000
which helps us access very quickly
830
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,650
and get the chicks back
very quickly as well.
831
00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:09,540
Much of the food we're
getting for our young eagles
832
00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:10,620
is provided by keepers.
833
00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:12,720
So, we're getting foxes,
rabbits, squirrels,
834
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:13,553
that kind of thing.
835
00:35:13,553 --> 00:35:14,386
And nearly all of that
836
00:35:14,386 --> 00:35:15,930
is coming from keepers
in the south of Scotland.
837
00:35:15,930 --> 00:35:17,806
So, the support has been
absolutely fantastic.
838
00:35:17,806 --> 00:35:19,890
And welcoming us, welcoming the eagles,
839
00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:22,680
you know, sharing
sightings, things like that.
840
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,300
You know, shooting estates welcoming us
841
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:25,680
with, you know, with artificial areas,
842
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,760
like the one behind me,
843
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,470
I see that partnership
with shooting estates
844
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:30,538
as one of the real
successes of this project.
845
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,300
Taking the life of a raptor in Scotland
846
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,850
now carries severe consequences.
847
00:35:38,850 --> 00:35:41,820
An automatic prison
sentence and unlimited fines
848
00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:45,030
with both landowner and the
employee held accountable.
849
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:48,750
The risk is palatable, making
it a choice few, if any,
850
00:35:48,750 --> 00:35:50,130
would consider.
851
00:35:50,130 --> 00:35:53,760
For gamekeepers managing
ground predators is integral
852
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,550
to the success of wild
red grouse populations
853
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:59,430
and yields unintended positive effects
854
00:35:59,430 --> 00:36:02,280
on ground nesting waders and raptors.
855
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,890
However, government efforts to license
856
00:36:04,890 --> 00:36:07,890
and restrict specific
predator control methods
857
00:36:07,890 --> 00:36:11,370
presents challenges for keepers
in executing their duties.
858
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:14,700
The control of foxes with
snares is deemed crucial.
859
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:18,030
In 2023, the Scottish government
proposed a complete ban
860
00:36:18,030 --> 00:36:21,150
on their use, raising
concerns about how gamekeepers
861
00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:24,090
will continue to fulfill their roles.
862
00:36:24,090 --> 00:36:27,270
So, I'm targeting
targeting the fox here.
863
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:29,880
And so as the fox walk wanders down here,
864
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,820
it'll pick up and round the neck here
865
00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:34,710
and it's just a restraining device.
866
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:36,120
It's not a killing device.
867
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,070
I have to check these every 24 hours,
868
00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:39,780
well within a 24 hour period.
869
00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:41,130
So every day.
870
00:36:41,130 --> 00:36:44,670
So if it's a non-target
species, a hare for example,
871
00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:46,620
I can just, I can let it go.
872
00:36:46,620 --> 00:36:51,270
These are pretty heavily
legislated in Scotland these days.
873
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:52,920
They have to be set in a certain way,
874
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,050
designed in a certain way.
875
00:36:55,050 --> 00:36:59,250
I have to have my own unique
snaring number attached to it,
876
00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:01,590
so folk know that I've set these snares.
877
00:37:01,590 --> 00:37:03,720
Everybody that undertakes
snaring in Scotland now
878
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:07,050
has to be trained and
we have to keep record.
879
00:37:07,050 --> 00:37:09,120
The detriment is to those species
880
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,720
that are literally eliminated
to allow red grouse
881
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,540
to produce a harvest for the shooters.
882
00:37:15,540 --> 00:37:18,030
If you're a crow, or a fox,
or a stout, or a weasel,
883
00:37:18,030 --> 00:37:21,210
it's detrimental 'cause you
have your head blown off.
884
00:37:21,210 --> 00:37:24,090
The studies we've
done have clearly shown
885
00:37:24,090 --> 00:37:27,180
that wader breeding
success is much greater
886
00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:29,040
when there's grouse moor management,
887
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,650
particularly the predator control aspect.
888
00:37:31,650 --> 00:37:35,010
So, the birds of here
are at higher densities
889
00:37:35,010 --> 00:37:36,270
when there's grouse moor management,
890
00:37:36,270 --> 00:37:38,370
as well as breeding much better,
891
00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:41,190
which means that populations
are likely to be robust enough
892
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:44,500
to continue and hopefully
even increase into the future.
893
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,690
Gamekeepers employ a strategic approach
894
00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:50,340
to Heather moorland management
895
00:37:50,340 --> 00:37:53,520
utilizing low intensity
burning in small patches,
896
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,500
typically less than half an acre.
897
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:58,920
This practice efficiently
clears old or overgrown heather,
898
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,160
fostering a mosaic pattern
of new growth buds.
899
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,930
From this rejuvenated growth,
900
00:38:03,930 --> 00:38:06,960
young grouse find a
vital primary food source
901
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,750
ensuring a sustainable ecosystem.
902
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:12,780
Once the heather gets
old and degenerate,
903
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:15,720
it loses a lot of its feed value.
904
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,820
So, we look to rotationally
burn it on a cycle.
905
00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:20,307
Now, that cycle's roughly
about 20 years up here
906
00:38:20,307 --> 00:38:22,800
and we take the surface
of the vegetation off
907
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,630
only just the heather.
908
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:27,240
it leaves the understory
of the mosses, et cetera.
909
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,483
Removing that old vegetation
results in new growth.
910
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,330
One common
argument against muirburn
911
00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:36,360
is its impact on peat,
crucial carbon storage
912
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,950
deep in the heather moorland.
913
00:38:37,950 --> 00:38:41,610
However, my firsthand observation
challenges this notion.
914
00:38:41,610 --> 00:38:44,760
The mirror burn I witnessed
moves swiftly across the land,
915
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,950
leaving a chocolate bar buried in the soil
916
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:49,140
beneath the heather untouched.
917
00:38:49,140 --> 00:38:52,080
The candy remained as fresh
as the day it was made
918
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,000
demonstrating the keepers precision
919
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,100
and targeting specific vegetation
920
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:58,732
without compromising the
surrounding environment.
921
00:39:01,290 --> 00:39:03,510
If you're trying to
conserve global biodiversity,
922
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:06,750
the full range of plants,
animals on the planet
923
00:39:06,750 --> 00:39:09,480
need to conserve the
variety of natural habitats
924
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,770
across the world.
925
00:39:10,770 --> 00:39:12,453
And that means heather moorland.
926
00:39:12,453 --> 00:39:14,370
Heather moorland is an ancient landscape
927
00:39:14,370 --> 00:39:16,110
between a thousands of years old
928
00:39:16,110 --> 00:39:18,360
and burning doesn't stop it
being a heather moorland.
929
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,910
It just adds diversity of pattern to it.
930
00:39:20,910 --> 00:39:24,570
Those landscapes is actually
what brings in huge amounts
931
00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:27,210
of tourists to Scotland in particular
932
00:39:27,210 --> 00:39:29,250
because of this unique
habitat that we have.
933
00:39:29,250 --> 00:39:31,860
And I think we do value it as a nation.
934
00:39:31,860 --> 00:39:34,980
And I think that's been forgotten
with this whole argument
935
00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:38,190
of planting the trees and it's more money
936
00:39:38,190 --> 00:39:42,234
and focusing on the carbon
sequestration side of things.
937
00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:47,850
I'm in Kinrara,
938
00:39:47,850 --> 00:39:50,730
an old grouse shooting
and stalking estate.
939
00:39:50,730 --> 00:39:53,520
It has been purchased by
a Scottish beer company
940
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,740
that wishes to be the first beer company
941
00:39:55,740 --> 00:39:57,600
to be carbon neutral.
942
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,690
Unfortunately, when you
talk to the scientist,
943
00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:04,680
what you see behind me not
only destroys what the UN says
944
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,780
is an ecosystem of concern,
945
00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:09,900
but also creates many other issues.
946
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:12,420
I mean, what we have at
the moment is this real rush
947
00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:14,760
into the whole carbon market,
carbon trading market.
948
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,929
And that we will risk losing
altogether a range of species,
949
00:40:17,929 --> 00:40:20,587
you know, in this sort
of carbon gold rush.
950
00:40:22,050 --> 00:40:22,920
There's another debate,
951
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,990
which is that we want to offset carbon.
952
00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:27,240
I've got a super tank of oil
on the way to New Zealand.
953
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:28,890
I want to decarbonize it. How do I do it?
954
00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:31,230
Well, I plant some trees
in some other country
955
00:40:31,230 --> 00:40:32,910
and I sell the carbon credits for it.
956
00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:35,070
And then, I've decarbonized
and made money.
957
00:40:35,070 --> 00:40:37,020
We can't just go short term
958
00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:39,330
and say there's short term economic goals.
959
00:40:39,330 --> 00:40:41,220
That we need to meet our political goals
960
00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:43,010
that we're trying to get to and damage
961
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:45,570
our very natural assets
that we've only got once.
962
00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:47,400
Once we've damaged them or destroyed them,
963
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,600
we don't get 'em back.
964
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:53,600
Peatland is the greatest
sequestration vessel for carbon.
965
00:40:53,970 --> 00:40:57,010
And actually planting woodland
on peatland, deep peat,
966
00:40:57,010 --> 00:40:58,290
is counterproductive.
967
00:40:58,290 --> 00:41:01,110
It actually releases more
carbon than it sequesters.
968
00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:02,569
The big corporates will enter the market.
969
00:41:02,569 --> 00:41:05,490
They will buy their carbon
or create their carbon,
970
00:41:05,490 --> 00:41:08,280
and then exit the market again
quite quickly thereafter.
971
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,770
And what they'll leave
us with is uncertain.
972
00:41:10,770 --> 00:41:14,100
I think we should make it
illegal to sell carbon credits.
973
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:16,380
We should be restoring these ecosystems
974
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:18,210
because it's a good thing to do,
975
00:41:18,210 --> 00:41:19,680
because it sequesters carbon,
976
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,270
because it helps cool the planet,
977
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:24,173
and we shouldn't be getting
messed up at offsetting schemes.
978
00:41:25,230 --> 00:41:26,063
I was invited
979
00:41:26,063 --> 00:41:28,500
by wildlife photographer Neil McIntyre
980
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:31,530
and his son-in-law Ed
Jaundrel, a gamekeeper,
981
00:41:31,530 --> 00:41:34,710
to see carbon sequestration
schemes in action.
982
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:38,220
Neil's brother was a second
generation keeper on Kinrara,
983
00:41:38,220 --> 00:41:40,680
but when the estate was
purchased by the brewery,
984
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,360
all the keepers were fired.
985
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,303
What they showed me on the
old estate blew my mind.
986
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,360
Well, it was a, I
would say more than that,
987
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,030
it was a very typical, we call
a typical highland estate.
988
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:52,530
Had a bit of everything.
989
00:41:52,530 --> 00:41:54,720
Yeah, grouse very much so.
990
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:56,370
But a, you know, decent deer stocking,
991
00:41:56,370 --> 00:41:59,850
a roll stocking, and it
just looks horrendous
992
00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:01,250
to be honest with you.
993
00:42:01,250 --> 00:42:04,560
It beats me how that's
conducive to conservation
994
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,590
or you know, it's just
mind boggling really
995
00:42:07,590 --> 00:42:10,008
with the damage they've
done in that place.
996
00:42:10,008 --> 00:42:12,030
You know, you used
to drive up this road,
997
00:42:12,030 --> 00:42:14,610
these rocky knolls will
be full of kestrels.
998
00:42:14,610 --> 00:42:17,520
Further out we go, we'd see eagles.
999
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,190
But if it's all been fenced off
and they're culling the deer
1000
00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:24,240
and let's say the hares,
there's no food source valley
1001
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:25,620
for any of these predators now.
1002
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:29,450
So, there's no real reason for
these birds to be back here.
1003
00:42:31,170 --> 00:42:32,003
The
sheer volume of trees
1004
00:42:32,003 --> 00:42:33,870
that are getting parked in,
1005
00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:34,950
you know, they're not for, you know,
1006
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:36,360
they're for carbon capture.
1007
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,332
So they're the forests
1008
00:42:37,332 --> 00:42:40,200
that are gonna be supposedly
there forevermore.
1009
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,580
But what a missed opportunity as well
1010
00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:43,560
to actually to create nice forests,
1011
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,390
you know, just a little bit of thought.
1012
00:42:45,390 --> 00:42:47,700
Have some open bits,
you know, just have it,
1013
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:50,760
just, you know, you could
have the native trees in it,
1014
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,530
You know,
there was always exposed peat
1015
00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:53,700
out in the hill,
1016
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:56,010
but now there's more
exposed peat on this estate
1017
00:42:56,010 --> 00:42:58,290
than ever before.
1018
00:42:58,290 --> 00:43:02,010
And it's gonna take at least 10 years,
1019
00:43:02,010 --> 00:43:04,440
five years to 10 years to
get them trees established
1020
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,917
and to get that heather
to grow back under it.
1021
00:43:06,917 --> 00:43:09,660
And it eventually it will die back
1022
00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:11,640
when it's all got a canvas of pain
1023
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,983
and no light getting to all these,
1024
00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:16,647
you know, plants and everything.
1025
00:43:16,647 --> 00:43:18,180
And that's the end of that.
1026
00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:21,060
And if there was a fire
here sit by a barbecue
1027
00:43:21,060 --> 00:43:24,957
or anybody, it would
go up through the moor.
1028
00:43:24,957 --> 00:43:28,770
But when all that's one
big bunker for fuel load,
1029
00:43:28,770 --> 00:43:31,413
you'll never get this out ever.
1030
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,190
The example you've mentioned
not too far from here,
1031
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:37,950
I would argue is not a
particularly good example.
1032
00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:40,033
I think their motivations
are questionable,
1033
00:43:40,033 --> 00:43:42,968
but equally we work with corporate bodies
1034
00:43:42,968 --> 00:43:44,370
who have no agenda.
1035
00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:45,390
They don't want greenwash.
1036
00:43:45,390 --> 00:43:47,057
They just want to give back to nature
1037
00:43:47,057 --> 00:43:50,130
and in many cases, give back
to local communities as well.
1038
00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:51,330
So, we need to make sure
1039
00:43:51,330 --> 00:43:55,547
that the motivation of these
investors is well placed.
1040
00:43:55,547 --> 00:43:57,720
And it is true to say that in some cases
1041
00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:59,190
that's not the case.
1042
00:43:59,190 --> 00:44:00,023
It's been realized
1043
00:44:00,023 --> 00:44:01,830
there were a lot of plantations of trees
1044
00:44:01,830 --> 00:44:06,390
of non-native conifers,
biological part of this instance
1045
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:08,760
in the peat bogs in the
north, very north of Scotland,
1046
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,740
what's called the flow country.
1047
00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:14,430
And research shows there
that the water content
1048
00:44:14,430 --> 00:44:16,693
of the soil goes down,
it dries out the soil
1049
00:44:16,693 --> 00:44:18,690
and the peat oxidizes away.
1050
00:44:18,690 --> 00:44:20,970
That carbon's released into the air.
1051
00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:22,560
So, it's known for quite a long time now
1052
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,800
that planting trees on deep
peat isn't good for the climate
1053
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,620
'cause an order magnitude
more carbon stored in the peat
1054
00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:30,030
than the trees.
1055
00:44:30,030 --> 00:44:32,973
So, there's now a government
of not planting on deep peat,
1056
00:44:33,810 --> 00:44:37,350
but there's no policy by not
planting on shallow peat.
1057
00:44:37,350 --> 00:44:41,520
Peat is a dead plant remains
as the plants remains decay.
1058
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,140
You know, the peat gets thicker
and thicker and thicker,
1059
00:44:43,140 --> 00:44:46,290
being a store of carbon
for 5,000 years or more.
1060
00:44:46,290 --> 00:44:48,180
Trees are cut down after 60 years.
1061
00:44:48,180 --> 00:44:51,450
They can't store more than
60 years worth of carbon.
1062
00:44:51,450 --> 00:44:55,440
So if you have a shallow
peat and plant trees on that,
1063
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,273
you're stopping that,
1064
00:44:56,273 --> 00:44:58,337
going to be a huge
terrestrial store of carbon.
1065
00:44:58,337 --> 00:45:00,360
'Cause that much organic matter
1066
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,300
covering the landscape
stores as much forest,
1067
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:04,710
sorry, stores as much carbon
1068
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:07,960
as a 60 year rotation spruce forest.
1069
00:45:11,370 --> 00:45:12,600
The Highlands of Scotland
1070
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,850
and the sporting estates
play a crucial role
1071
00:45:14,850 --> 00:45:17,640
in sustaining the incomes
of rural communities,
1072
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,620
Beyond direct staff employment,
1073
00:45:19,620 --> 00:45:22,230
these estates contribute
to the local economy
1074
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:24,330
through various spinoff benefits.
1075
00:45:24,330 --> 00:45:26,550
Thanks to the businesses in the area
1076
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:28,230
and the guests they attract.
1077
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:30,180
However, rewilding advocates
1078
00:45:30,180 --> 00:45:33,810
argue that even more robust
job opportunities could arise
1079
00:45:33,810 --> 00:45:36,360
from the managing of restored ecosystems
1080
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,518
and the resulting boost in tourism.
1081
00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:42,160
If you look at the land that we own
1082
00:45:43,094 --> 00:45:46,320
as a John Muir Trust or even
the those that are involved
1083
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,000
in the environmental sector,
1084
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,117
the employment base per
acre is higher than it is
1085
00:45:50,117 --> 00:45:52,170
in the sporting estates.
1086
00:45:52,170 --> 00:45:55,230
So, those are not jobs in
the sort of tourism sector.
1087
00:45:55,230 --> 00:45:56,640
Those are jobs in land management.
1088
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:57,990
These are high quality jobs.
1089
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:59,130
We've seen it on Skye
1090
00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:03,420
this whole kind of tourism boom,
1091
00:46:03,420 --> 00:46:06,450
where often many of these operators
1092
00:46:06,450 --> 00:46:08,250
are coming out with Skye,
1093
00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:11,350
Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen
1094
00:46:12,750 --> 00:46:13,800
coming here.
1095
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,470
Those people are not
linked to that landscape.
1096
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:18,483
They're not managing that landscape.
1097
00:46:19,410 --> 00:46:21,120
They're coming here now
1098
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,650
in this supposedly devoid
landscape and they're enjoying it.
1099
00:46:25,650 --> 00:46:28,200
They are seeing deer.
They are seeing eagles.
1100
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,930
They're seeing this wealth of wildlife.
1101
00:46:30,930 --> 00:46:34,380
They love to see the heather
in bloom on the grouse moors.
1102
00:46:34,380 --> 00:46:37,020
So, they're coming here now on mass
1103
00:46:37,020 --> 00:46:40,380
and there is a huge amount
of wealth there, agreed.
1104
00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:43,143
But direct jobs on the ground,
1105
00:46:44,460 --> 00:46:45,910
that's not the case just now.
1106
00:46:47,155 --> 00:46:48,660
You know what COVID showed us
1107
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:49,920
and what broadband has shown us
1108
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,040
is that people want to
live in these rural areas.
1109
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,680
You can communicate with
the rest of your sector,
1110
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:56,640
whatever that sector is.
1111
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,060
It doesn't really matter through
broadband connections now.
1112
00:47:00,060 --> 00:47:02,760
And you can be living in some
of the most spectacular places
1113
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:03,660
in the world.
1114
00:47:03,660 --> 00:47:06,420
The concept that we need to in some way
1115
00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:10,170
have extractive industries
based on our land
1116
00:47:10,170 --> 00:47:12,960
is kind of moved that part
a sort of an old paradigm
1117
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,373
has been a big shift there.
1118
00:47:15,390 --> 00:47:16,860
The sporting estates in this area
1119
00:47:16,860 --> 00:47:18,450
is what's keeping it going.
1120
00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:21,150
Everything gets poured
back into the community
1121
00:47:21,150 --> 00:47:24,750
For jacket, waistcoat,
breaks, and a cap,
1122
00:47:24,750 --> 00:47:27,450
including the cloth, you are speaking
1123
00:47:27,450 --> 00:47:29,763
about 900 to a thousand pounds.
1124
00:47:30,690 --> 00:47:33,360
And we've been dependent on gamekeepers
1125
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:38,360
for possibly 50 to 60% of the business.
1126
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:42,360
I would fear that possibly
I couldn't stay open
1127
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,380
without shooting, hunting, and fishing.
1128
00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:47,760
You know, the manufacturer of our guns
1129
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,480
supports the community and the industry.
1130
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,210
We obviously provide all
the shooting facility
1131
00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:56,969
that supports the local community.
1132
00:47:56,969 --> 00:48:01,020
That comes through in terms of supporting
1133
00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:05,730
the local estates with their
ammunition, with their guns.
1134
00:48:05,730 --> 00:48:09,390
And also, you know, the shooting
parties that come into us
1135
00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:11,190
are staying in the local community.
1136
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:12,450
They're staying in Dunkeld.
1137
00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:13,890
They're eating in our restaurants.
1138
00:48:13,890 --> 00:48:15,300
They're drinking in our pubs.
1139
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:17,400
They're bringing revenue into the economy,
1140
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,500
into the locals pockets
at the end of the day.
1141
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,740
To be blunt, it would
decimate the country.
1142
00:48:22,740 --> 00:48:24,123
It decimate the Highlands.
1143
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,044
So, we got the fishing clients
1144
00:48:27,044 --> 00:48:29,820
and they tend to come in groups
1145
00:48:29,820 --> 00:48:32,730
of maybe between four, six, or eight.
1146
00:48:32,730 --> 00:48:36,360
And they'll typically
be up here for a week.
1147
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,193
Then, you've got the stalking side.
1148
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:40,980
They're gonna be in
smaller groups, you know.
1149
00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:42,749
We've got maybe two or four.
1150
00:48:42,749 --> 00:48:43,582
They're coming up here.
1151
00:48:43,582 --> 00:48:44,850
They're gonna spend a
lot of money on the hill
1152
00:48:44,850 --> 00:48:46,470
and they want comfort, and they want food,
1153
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:47,790
and they wanna enjoy themselves.
1154
00:48:47,790 --> 00:48:49,710
They're getting away for a couple of days.
1155
00:48:49,710 --> 00:48:53,370
So, it's they spend good money.
1156
00:48:53,370 --> 00:48:55,740
If the government were to ban shooting,
1157
00:48:55,740 --> 00:49:00,090
it's gonna really make our
life a lot more difficult here.
1158
00:49:00,090 --> 00:49:02,220
But I feel like we are bringing back
1159
00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:05,259
that type of shooting lodge type place.
1160
00:49:05,259 --> 00:49:08,460
And to lose those sort of traditions
1161
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:11,340
and to lose those places be a real shame.
1162
00:49:11,340 --> 00:49:13,650
But you're talking probably losing
1163
00:49:13,650 --> 00:49:17,280
30 to 40% of my revenue
within the next year.
1164
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,990
You know, people wanna see the wildlife.
1165
00:49:18,990 --> 00:49:22,440
They wanna see the rich biodiversity,
1166
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,110
but what they're not realizing
is the people on the ground,
1167
00:49:25,110 --> 00:49:27,840
They're the ones that are actually helping
1168
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,460
the biodiversity here.
1169
00:49:29,460 --> 00:49:32,460
You know, these guys are the
important conservationists.
1170
00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:34,950
You know, they're the ones
that keep the wildlife
1171
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:36,300
going here.
1172
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:37,650
And you can drive along the roads
1173
00:49:37,650 --> 00:49:39,050
and the hillside, and lay-by,
1174
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:43,140
are full of people in camper
vans, parking for free,
1175
00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:46,143
and camping right next
to the roadside for free.
1176
00:49:47,130 --> 00:49:50,040
You can replace it with
other forms of tourism,
1177
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,420
but will they provide the jobs?
1178
00:49:51,420 --> 00:49:53,233
And that's the million dollar question.
1179
00:49:59,670 --> 00:50:02,400
The Isle of Muck is the
home to Gallanach Lodge,
1180
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,980
a sporting estate born
when a laird's daughter
1181
00:50:04,980 --> 00:50:07,830
sought a means to remain
on her island home,
1182
00:50:07,830 --> 00:50:09,300
where the aristocratic model
1183
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:11,550
favored her older brother's family.
1184
00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:13,080
Beyond summer tourism,
1185
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,410
the sporting estate model
extended the tourism season
1186
00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:18,570
from September through January,
1187
00:50:18,570 --> 00:50:21,090
generating income for 10 families
1188
00:50:21,090 --> 00:50:24,210
and preserving a way
of life on the island.
1189
00:50:24,210 --> 00:50:27,360
All right folks, we're
gonna redraw this morning.
1190
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,176
So, we're numbering eight, right to left.
1191
00:50:29,176 --> 00:50:30,145
With that look, I'll wait.
1192
00:50:30,145 --> 00:50:32,963
You gonna come back.
I'll come back to you.
1193
00:50:32,963 --> 00:50:34,650
I always get what's left.
1194
00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:36,300
Numbering right to left,
1195
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:38,820
we'll move up two pins each drive please.
1196
00:50:38,820 --> 00:50:41,785
I'm gonna shoot three drives this morning.
1197
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,120
The island economy is
largely based around farming,
1198
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,580
tourism, and fishing.
1199
00:50:50,580 --> 00:50:54,480
And what we offer, I guess,
is a sort of sporting tourism
1200
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,360
from red stag stocking,
Billy goat stocking
1201
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,520
on the Isle of Rum behind us here.
1202
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,230
We're spending somewhere in the region
1203
00:51:01,230 --> 00:51:04,890
of about 70 to 90,000 pounds
a year just on boat charters
1204
00:51:04,890 --> 00:51:07,830
to either bring people from
the mainland out to the island
1205
00:51:07,830 --> 00:51:10,277
or to bring people from
between Muck and Rum here.
1206
00:51:10,277 --> 00:51:12,330
We are also using a local boat
1207
00:51:12,330 --> 00:51:15,120
to extract the deer
off the island as well.
1208
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,160
The number of guests we
bring onto the island
1209
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,920
is obviously directly
related to the number of deer
1210
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:20,753
we're shooting.
1211
00:51:20,753 --> 00:51:21,630
So the more deer we shoot,
1212
00:51:21,630 --> 00:51:23,700
the more people we bring onto the island,
1213
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:25,830
which has a knock on
effect to Rums economy,
1214
00:51:25,830 --> 00:51:27,540
to the local economy there.
1215
00:51:27,540 --> 00:51:30,150
Without the hunting season, we
couldn't really survive here.
1216
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:31,949
We need the hunting in the winter months
1217
00:51:31,949 --> 00:51:34,500
to get through the year.
1218
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:38,310
So, we fish predominantly
lobster and langoustine
1219
00:51:38,310 --> 00:51:40,980
close into the shore,
around about the island,
1220
00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:44,010
and sell as much as we can locally.
1221
00:51:44,010 --> 00:51:45,330
Until we opening the lodge
1222
00:51:45,330 --> 00:51:47,400
and having guests all through the winter,
1223
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,100
we now have a mark to have
local seafood and stuff
1224
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:50,933
on the menu.
1225
00:51:50,933 --> 00:51:53,040
The thing what a lot
of people don't realize
1226
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,780
it's not just the shooting.
1227
00:51:54,780 --> 00:51:58,050
It's all the other businesses
that are connected to that.
1228
00:51:58,050 --> 00:52:00,210
So, there's B&B's on the mainland.
1229
00:52:00,210 --> 00:52:01,500
There's the ferry transport.
1230
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:02,880
It's kind of the wider impact
1231
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,500
that people don't kind of see for here,
1232
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:06,420
especially it seeing the
people getting pulled in
1233
00:52:06,420 --> 00:52:09,510
to help clean the lodge
and all the other things.
1234
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:12,600
All those little things,
all those jobs were just,
1235
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,080
and that would impact
probably 2,000 of the families
1236
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,220
on the island.
1237
00:52:17,220 --> 00:52:19,590
I think out of something
like 1,200 applicants,
1238
00:52:19,590 --> 00:52:22,260
we were chosen to come
and run the tea room.
1239
00:52:22,260 --> 00:52:24,660
And this is now coming into
the end of our third year.
1240
00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:26,794
And also we get the shoot lunches here.
1241
00:52:26,794 --> 00:52:29,400
So, we have the tourist in the summer.
1242
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,510
Come near September,
again, it slows right down.
1243
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:35,820
And if the lodge weren't
doing shoot parties
1244
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:38,193
through the winter up till January,
1245
00:52:39,810 --> 00:52:42,270
then we would probably close down.
1246
00:52:42,270 --> 00:52:43,740
When I was first here,
1247
00:52:43,740 --> 00:52:47,640
we had power in the morning
1248
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:48,777
and then off all day.
1249
00:52:48,777 --> 00:52:52,350
And power at the nighttime
till about half past 11.
1250
00:52:52,350 --> 00:52:54,783
No internet apart from satellite internet.
1251
00:52:55,860 --> 00:52:58,680
So, it has made a heck
of a difference with Toby
1252
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,260
setting up the hotel definitely.
1253
00:53:01,260 --> 00:53:04,290
They've turned it into
like a global phenomenon.
1254
00:53:04,290 --> 00:53:06,000
We were getting people from Sweden.
1255
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,970
We're getting people from South Africa.
1256
00:53:08,970 --> 00:53:11,140
We're getting people from all over Europe
1257
00:53:12,002 --> 00:53:13,980
and further afield.
1258
00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:15,660
There's a lot of
management that's going on
1259
00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:16,560
to do with the shooting.
1260
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,020
That we've seen lots of other birds coming
1261
00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:20,760
and you know, for the children
1262
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,770
they're growing up interested in.
1263
00:53:22,770 --> 00:53:25,980
Even things like when they're
waiting to go beating,
1264
00:53:25,980 --> 00:53:27,780
you know, Hughes always
looking at the heather
1265
00:53:27,780 --> 00:53:29,640
and seeing what kind of
different grouses there are.
1266
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:30,473
Do you know what I mean?
1267
00:53:30,473 --> 00:53:33,030
They're kind of, it's
another way of looking
1268
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:35,640
at all the things around us, I suppose.
1269
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,020
So, there's the financial impact,
1270
00:53:37,020 --> 00:53:40,260
but there's also all the
other management things
1271
00:53:40,260 --> 00:53:42,600
that are going on that
have a positive impact.
1272
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,210
It's a different connection to
the environment around them.
1273
00:53:45,210 --> 00:53:46,890
So, they're already
connected through farming,
1274
00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:48,754
but this is a different angle.
1275
00:53:58,725 --> 00:54:00,210
So, all these stag heads
1276
00:54:00,210 --> 00:54:03,667
are ones that have called with the girls.
1277
00:54:03,667 --> 00:54:05,430
You know, I've got four daughters now
1278
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:09,210
and they've all been kind
of involved and immersed
1279
00:54:09,210 --> 00:54:11,010
in the world that I'm in.
1280
00:54:11,010 --> 00:54:12,597
When we're out with the stags
1281
00:54:12,597 --> 00:54:15,174
and the hinds in each season,
1282
00:54:15,174 --> 00:54:18,270
I enjoy seeing them in between the trees.
1283
00:54:18,270 --> 00:54:20,940
So each bit of more of a challenge to spy
1284
00:54:20,940 --> 00:54:23,610
and glass across to them.
1285
00:54:23,610 --> 00:54:25,140
The reason why I want to be a gamekeeper
1286
00:54:25,140 --> 00:54:29,160
is I like being outside and
like amongst the environment.
1287
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,917
Well, when I go to school,
they just say to me
1288
00:54:31,917 --> 00:54:34,867
and my sister, they go,
1289
00:54:34,867 --> 00:54:37,380
"Why does your dad shoot so many deer?"
1290
00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:40,357
And I do, I just put
them right and just say,
1291
00:54:40,357 --> 00:54:41,910
"My dad shoots them in season.
1292
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:43,710
He doesn't shoot them outta season.
1293
00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:45,120
He has to color for each year."
1294
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,160
And they go, "Oh, but that's so cruel.
1295
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,350
Your dad just kills animals
for the sake of it."
1296
00:54:49,350 --> 00:54:52,530
And he doesn't, he has to manage them.
1297
00:54:52,530 --> 00:54:54,270
Yeah, I couldn't really
see him doing anything else.
1298
00:54:54,270 --> 00:54:55,350
I've been with him for 30 years
1299
00:54:55,350 --> 00:54:58,740
and it's all he's ever done
and it's all he wants to do.
1300
00:54:58,740 --> 00:55:01,530
He has returning guests
year after year after year
1301
00:55:01,530 --> 00:55:02,940
that come back.
1302
00:55:02,940 --> 00:55:04,680
It's not just always for the sport,
1303
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,170
it can just be to spend a day in the hotel
1304
00:55:07,170 --> 00:55:08,520
or a couple of nights in the hotel
1305
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,930
and you know, they'll
get in touch with Scott
1306
00:55:09,930 --> 00:55:11,130
'cause they've become friends.
1307
00:55:11,130 --> 00:55:13,140
The people that sort of,
1308
00:55:13,140 --> 00:55:14,520
they've got a place in
your heart, you know.
1309
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,430
You're out all day on the hill
with them or maybe longer.
1310
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:19,110
The girls have quite a
bit of stick at school
1311
00:55:19,110 --> 00:55:20,250
off certain people.
1312
00:55:20,250 --> 00:55:23,550
And it's hard really
sometimes to take it in
1313
00:55:23,550 --> 00:55:27,625
because these children at
school that take it out on them
1314
00:55:27,625 --> 00:55:29,580
have also got dads that are crofters
1315
00:55:29,580 --> 00:55:32,040
and dads that work the land themselves.
1316
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,410
So, they'll have a go at the girls
1317
00:55:34,410 --> 00:55:35,467
and just say, you know,
1318
00:55:35,467 --> 00:55:38,187
"All your dad does is go out
and kill foxes," you know?
1319
00:55:38,187 --> 00:55:39,210
And it's hard for the girls
1320
00:55:39,210 --> 00:55:40,410
because they've been brought up with it.
1321
00:55:40,410 --> 00:55:41,490
They've seen it.
1322
00:55:41,490 --> 00:55:44,580
They go out with Scott onto the hill
1323
00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:47,052
and they'll be there with him, you know,
1324
00:55:47,052 --> 00:55:50,042
while Scott uses a firearm to, you know,
1325
00:55:50,042 --> 00:55:51,630
to call the beast.
1326
00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:54,750
So, they'll see it from
as soon as it's shot
1327
00:55:54,750 --> 00:55:55,980
to actually being cooked
1328
00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:58,530
and put on a plate in front
of them and they eat it.
1329
00:55:58,530 --> 00:56:00,623
They love it because they
know where it comes from.
1330
00:56:00,623 --> 00:56:03,360
There's so many kids at their
school that don't even know
1331
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,190
where a piece of meat comes from.
1332
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:06,090
They're just so used to seeing it
1333
00:56:06,090 --> 00:56:08,240
in a cellophane wrapper
at the supermarket.
1334
00:56:09,420 --> 00:56:10,353
A wee boy look.
1335
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:12,353
We staggy.
1336
00:56:20,310 --> 00:56:23,010
Ah, clan, the Mackenzie's
intrinsically linked
1337
00:56:23,010 --> 00:56:24,000
to the red deer.
1338
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,560
So, I've always thought it's nice for us
1339
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,537
to say something like that
1340
00:56:27,537 --> 00:56:29,580
and it's not a done thing
in the Gaelic world.
1341
00:56:29,580 --> 00:56:31,442
There's never any, you know,
1342
00:56:31,442 --> 00:56:35,011
it's our little link
to our ancestors past.
1343
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,240
The red deer or the red stag
1344
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:42,420
is the most iconic symbol
of the Scottish Highlands.
1345
00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:44,970
But today, they're under the gun.
1346
00:56:44,970 --> 00:56:47,760
Red deer in Scotland
have become a dilemma.
1347
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,950
Favorited for stalking by sportsmen
1348
00:56:49,950 --> 00:56:51,960
and sightings of the monarch of the glen
1349
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,790
are desired by tourist.
1350
00:56:53,790 --> 00:56:55,890
Those within the rewilding effort
1351
00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:59,100
have put crosshairs on
this iconic species.
1352
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:02,070
Red deer are woody browsers
during the winter months
1353
00:57:02,070 --> 00:57:03,930
and can cause significant damage
1354
00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:06,450
if they're concentrated onto an area
1355
00:57:06,450 --> 00:57:08,760
filled with young tree plantings.
1356
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,940
No one really knows how
many deer exist on the land
1357
00:57:11,940 --> 00:57:14,040
nor can they agree on how many
1358
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:15,810
or how few need to be culled
1359
00:57:15,810 --> 00:57:18,420
to allow for healthy ecosystems.
1360
00:57:18,420 --> 00:57:20,880
Each side has put up their battle lines,
1361
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,790
but the government has
budgeted 30 million pounds
1362
00:57:23,790 --> 00:57:27,390
to hire contractors to kill
deer over the next year.
1363
00:57:27,390 --> 00:57:30,540
So, we have a situation
where the grazing pressure,
1364
00:57:30,540 --> 00:57:34,050
primarily through red deer and sheep,
1365
00:57:34,050 --> 00:57:38,640
is preventing the regeneration
of the woodland habitats.
1366
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,040
And not only woodland,
but habitats in general.
1367
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:45,180
And it's keeping them in a
suppressed, degraded situation.
1368
00:57:45,180 --> 00:57:48,150
I think it's often
portrayed that red deer
1369
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:51,240
are naturally a woodland animal.
1370
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,090
I think that helps push
1371
00:57:54,090 --> 00:57:56,940
this kind of narrative
1372
00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:59,100
of huge woodland expansion.
1373
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:01,680
Deer are a woodland animal.
1374
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,722
They're not meant to
live in the open hill.
1375
00:58:03,722 --> 00:58:06,540
And give them a wood,
they'll head into the wood.
1376
00:58:06,540 --> 00:58:08,130
That's where they wanna live.
1377
00:58:08,130 --> 00:58:11,310
So, the big challenge today
is to get numbers down
1378
00:58:11,310 --> 00:58:13,950
to more sustainable levels,
so that plant communities
1379
00:58:13,950 --> 00:58:16,890
and other wildlife
communities can flourish.
1380
00:58:16,890 --> 00:58:19,500
But also to get them back
into their native habitat,
1381
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:20,610
which is woodland.
1382
00:58:20,610 --> 00:58:22,230
There's been no trees
over most of the highlands
1383
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:23,730
for 2,000 years.
1384
00:58:23,730 --> 00:58:24,990
If the deer survive that,
1385
00:58:24,990 --> 00:58:26,550
you can't tell me they're woodland animals
1386
00:58:26,550 --> 00:58:28,500
because they're not living in woodlands.
1387
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:32,520
But if you are in a wet,
cold, stormy climate and snowy
1388
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,620
and you want shelter, where
the first place you go to
1389
00:58:34,620 --> 00:58:35,730
is trees.
1390
00:58:35,730 --> 00:58:38,400
They have a wide ecological altitude.
1391
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,088
Like wolves, in fact, they can
be woodland or open ground.
1392
00:58:41,088 --> 00:58:43,290
And if they're eating more
nutritious vegetation,
1393
00:58:43,290 --> 00:58:45,630
they're bound to be
bigger and more robust,
1394
00:58:45,630 --> 00:58:48,630
especially if you've keep
the populations very low
1395
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:50,250
by shooting or hunting.
1396
00:58:50,250 --> 00:58:52,080
So, deer management
is one of these things
1397
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,660
where people view it as shooting deer.
1398
00:58:54,660 --> 00:58:55,973
For about six months of the year,
1399
00:58:55,973 --> 00:58:58,110
that is part and parcel of what we do.
1400
00:58:58,110 --> 00:59:00,510
It's not a matter of having
a kind of key number of deer
1401
00:59:00,510 --> 00:59:02,040
that we're aiming for the area.
1402
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,350
It's we're looking at
impact that they're having
1403
00:59:04,350 --> 00:59:06,750
and making our management
choices based on that.
1404
00:59:06,750 --> 00:59:07,800
There are parts of the highlands
1405
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,413
where, yeah, potentially
you've got too many deer.
1406
00:59:09,413 --> 00:59:10,720
There's also large parts of the highlands
1407
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,450
where you don't have enough deer.
1408
00:59:12,450 --> 00:59:14,430
There's bits and pieces
of historic Gaelic culture
1409
00:59:14,430 --> 00:59:16,710
that were here, the original
sort of indigenous people
1410
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:17,543
that were here.
1411
00:59:17,543 --> 00:59:19,470
Deer gave them food,
and clothing, and heat,
1412
00:59:19,470 --> 00:59:21,690
and like all sorts of valuable
1413
00:59:21,690 --> 00:59:22,740
between human beings and deer
1414
00:59:22,740 --> 00:59:24,480
going way back to the stone age.
1415
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,200
The problem, if indeed you
perceive it to be a problem,
1416
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,330
is the deer, the number of deer.
1417
00:59:30,330 --> 00:59:32,070
So, the way that the Scottish landscape
1418
00:59:32,070 --> 00:59:35,283
has been managed for
the last 150, 200 years,
1419
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:37,980
generally speaking to paraphrase,
1420
00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:40,170
is to maximize the number of deer.
1421
00:59:40,170 --> 00:59:43,350
So if your objective is sport shooting,
1422
00:59:43,350 --> 00:59:46,830
then you may wish to have
higher numbers of deer.
1423
00:59:46,830 --> 00:59:51,830
If your objective is to
let nature have its freedom
1424
00:59:52,110 --> 00:59:53,790
and for lots of species to benefit,
1425
00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:55,110
rather than just a single species,
1426
00:59:55,110 --> 00:59:58,500
then the chances are you'll
want deer to lower density.
1427
00:59:58,500 --> 01:00:00,810
You know, the ideal density
for an area like this
1428
01:00:00,810 --> 01:00:02,100
to get the trees to grow
1429
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:03,960
is probably two deer per square kilometer.
1430
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,460
That's what you're gonna aim for.
1431
01:00:05,460 --> 01:00:07,920
To manage two deer per square kilometer,
1432
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,620
you are hitting them
really hard all the time.
1433
01:00:10,620 --> 01:00:14,730
If deer stalking is part
of your income for the estate
1434
01:00:14,730 --> 01:00:18,690
and, you know, stags are of a big income
1435
01:00:18,690 --> 01:00:22,710
and support many jobs, then
you that you want to lessen
1436
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:25,500
the winter mortality that you have.
1437
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:28,230
So, those estates that feed
stags are feeding the stags
1438
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:30,180
to help 'em see through the winter.
1439
01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:31,950
It could be argued that
we should just leave them
1440
01:00:31,950 --> 01:00:33,870
and what happens is what happens,
1441
01:00:33,870 --> 01:00:37,860
but it's a business like any other.
1442
01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:41,400
You want stags for next year,
you've got to look after 'em.
1443
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,530
You've got to take care of your animals.
1444
01:00:43,530 --> 01:00:44,363
We're now in a phase
1445
01:00:44,363 --> 01:00:47,100
where we're seeing how we manage red deer,
1446
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:49,860
not as just an environmental issue,
1447
01:00:49,860 --> 01:00:53,010
not just as a an issue
to do a quarry species,
1448
01:00:53,010 --> 01:00:56,083
but as a component of a wider ecosystem
1449
01:00:56,083 --> 01:00:58,650
and that's a positive development.
1450
01:00:58,650 --> 01:01:01,140
You put manure in your
garden or farmers did
1451
01:01:01,140 --> 01:01:03,120
because it's rich in nutrients.
1452
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,640
Now if you think on the
wide landscape scale,
1453
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,753
then all the deer and even the sheep
1454
01:01:07,753 --> 01:01:10,770
are actually breaking
down the plant material
1455
01:01:10,770 --> 01:01:14,340
excreting in that dung and
that's fertilizing the ground.
1456
01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:18,180
If you reduce deer numbers or
graze the animals generally,
1457
01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:20,730
you reduce fertility
of the whole landscape.
1458
01:01:20,730 --> 01:01:24,000
On lots of the property
that we have, it is red deer.
1459
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,440
That's the problem.
1460
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,820
It's not roe deer. It's not hares.
1461
01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:28,020
It's red deer.
1462
01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:30,938
There are areas in our ground
too where sheep of the problem
1463
01:01:30,938 --> 01:01:33,300
and unless we manage the sheep
1464
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:36,060
and work well with the
crafters whose sheep they are,
1465
01:01:36,060 --> 01:01:38,430
then we're not, just
killing the deer by itself
1466
01:01:38,430 --> 01:01:39,540
isn't gonna solve the problem.
1467
01:01:39,540 --> 01:01:41,580
We're gotta manage the
sheep issue as well.
1468
01:01:41,580 --> 01:01:43,950
We know the deer are
really, really important.
1469
01:01:43,950 --> 01:01:44,820
I mean, look at them.
1470
01:01:44,820 --> 01:01:45,660
Every bottle of whiskey
1471
01:01:45,660 --> 01:01:48,540
that gets sold to America
each year's gotta stag on it.
1472
01:01:48,540 --> 01:01:50,130
Of course, like this
is our national brand.
1473
01:01:50,130 --> 01:01:51,270
This is what we're about.
1474
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:54,270
It sets all kinds of
strange questions running
1475
01:01:54,270 --> 01:01:55,103
when we start to say,
1476
01:01:55,103 --> 01:01:56,670
"Actually, we hate deer now.
1477
01:01:56,670 --> 01:01:59,130
We don't want deer. These
spaces aren't for deer."
1478
01:01:59,130 --> 01:02:03,063
Deer are part of us and in
large part, we're part of them.
1479
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:05,730
The intense management of red deer
1480
01:02:05,730 --> 01:02:08,130
has spurred entrepreneurs
to develop businesses
1481
01:02:08,130 --> 01:02:11,340
capitalizing on providing
sustainable healthy meat
1482
01:02:11,340 --> 01:02:13,980
to the broader public throughout the UK.
1483
01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:15,060
Animals being shot,
1484
01:02:15,060 --> 01:02:17,460
they go from being a deer to being venison
1485
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:18,840
and of course, categorize
1486
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,600
into variety of different specifications
1487
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,130
and depending on the species.
1488
01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:23,963
So, we will supply
1489
01:02:23,963 --> 01:02:28,410
around two and a half thousand
stores nationwide daily
1490
01:02:28,410 --> 01:02:32,010
with specifications such as
burgers, sausages, steaks
1491
01:02:32,010 --> 01:02:33,930
ready for you to cook.
1492
01:02:33,930 --> 01:02:34,980
This is a wild animal.
1493
01:02:34,980 --> 01:02:37,680
This is a product that is as God intended
1494
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,750
is out there for a reason.
1495
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:43,650
And we are making it available to you
1496
01:02:43,650 --> 01:02:45,300
who is looking for an alternative,
1497
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:47,970
but perhaps also looking for alternative
1498
01:02:47,970 --> 01:02:50,190
from a healthier point of view.
1499
01:02:50,190 --> 01:02:53,760
It is proven to be a healthier protein
1500
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,430
than most other proteins
that we can get our hands on.
1501
01:02:56,430 --> 01:02:59,760
And that food product must be looked after
1502
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,850
just as well, if not even better,
1503
01:03:02,850 --> 01:03:06,105
than a cow produced in the
field going through an abattoir.
1504
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,140
The specter of
conflict looms in Scotland,
1505
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:18,450
particularly on the Assynt Peninsula,
1506
01:03:18,450 --> 01:03:21,240
where the John Muir Trust
finds itself at odds
1507
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,900
with neighbors to managing
the deer population.
1508
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:27,960
Are humans across the globe predisposed
1509
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,860
to manage our natural assets
in a way that's sustainable?
1510
01:03:31,860 --> 01:03:34,170
You know, sadly, I think
there's too many examples
1511
01:03:34,170 --> 01:03:36,970
of where we're not predisposed
to manage it sustainably.
1512
01:03:37,980 --> 01:03:41,220
So, the Assynt Peninsula
is about 18,000 hectares.
1513
01:03:41,220 --> 01:03:44,070
So, that's about 45,000 acres.
1514
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:47,610
About 2,000 hectares of that is woodland
1515
01:03:47,610 --> 01:03:49,440
and most of that is native woodland.
1516
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:50,820
And the majority of the landscape
1517
01:03:50,820 --> 01:03:53,610
is dominated by blanket
bogue, and wet heath,
1518
01:03:53,610 --> 01:03:55,110
and monte, and habitats.
1519
01:03:55,110 --> 01:03:58,260
And you know, it doesn't really
sustain very many animals.
1520
01:03:58,260 --> 01:04:01,680
One of the sources
of income for the trust
1521
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,340
was stalking,
1522
01:04:05,340 --> 01:04:10,340
where people would come
in and pay to stalk stags.
1523
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:15,300
That in turn, allowed people to come in
1524
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:20,070
and spend money locally
1525
01:04:20,070 --> 01:04:24,000
for accommodation,
buying things from shops.
1526
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,860
And it still remains very important
1527
01:04:25,860 --> 01:04:29,340
that we have a sufficiency of deer
1528
01:04:29,340 --> 01:04:32,220
to allow us to continue doing that.
1529
01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:33,480
As far as I understand,
1530
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:38,480
there was a change in the
direction of the John Muir Trust
1531
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,250
in relation to the number of deer
1532
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,590
which they would tolerate on Quinag.
1533
01:04:46,590 --> 01:04:48,660
They pulled outta the
deer management group,
1534
01:04:48,660 --> 01:04:51,813
so I understand because
they didn't like the way
1535
01:04:51,813 --> 01:04:56,813
that the rest of the people
in the group were behaving.
1536
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,370
For the last 15 years,
1537
01:04:59,370 --> 01:05:03,270
John Muir Trust have
seriously misrepresented
1538
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:06,480
the state of the environment
here on the Assynt Peninsula.
1539
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,430
The collaborative
approach wasn't working
1540
01:05:08,430 --> 01:05:10,140
and the deer numbers
were actually going up.
1541
01:05:10,140 --> 01:05:12,420
The group had agreed to reduce the numbers
1542
01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:13,500
and that was the target,
1543
01:05:13,500 --> 01:05:14,580
but the numbers weren't going down.
1544
01:05:14,580 --> 01:05:15,990
The numbers were going the other way.
1545
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:18,330
It's not about deer per square kilometer.
1546
01:05:18,330 --> 01:05:21,150
So if you take in the
top of those mountains,
1547
01:05:21,150 --> 01:05:22,920
deer can't eat stone.
1548
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,990
So, you have to exclude all that area
1549
01:05:24,990 --> 01:05:27,480
as part of your per
square kilometer figure.
1550
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,610
And then, what you realize
is actually the deer density
1551
01:05:29,610 --> 01:05:30,900
is probably much higher.
1552
01:05:30,900 --> 01:05:32,550
They're trying to campaign
1553
01:05:32,550 --> 01:05:35,403
to change the way we
manage deer in Scotland.
1554
01:05:35,403 --> 01:05:38,733
And they do that by creating a noise.
1555
01:05:40,020 --> 01:05:42,450
And they think that at
the creating a noise,
1556
01:05:42,450 --> 01:05:44,853
then politicians will be on their side.
1557
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:47,940
The concern
seems to be of red deer
1558
01:05:47,940 --> 01:05:49,110
eating young trees,
1559
01:05:49,110 --> 01:05:52,560
which may or may not exist
on the Quinag Estate.
1560
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,190
But on the neighboring Ardvar
Estate, keeper Michael Ross
1561
01:05:56,190 --> 01:05:59,793
shows us how trees are coexisting
and flourishing with deer.
1562
01:06:00,780 --> 01:06:03,780
There's a good number of
deer on the Ardvar Estate
1563
01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:05,760
that live in here because of the shelter.
1564
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:06,660
And now, we've got this,
1565
01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:09,450
but we've got this throughout the estate.
1566
01:06:09,450 --> 01:06:11,820
You can see how the woodland works here.
1567
01:06:11,820 --> 01:06:13,370
Once you get in the bogey grin,
1568
01:06:14,340 --> 01:06:15,173
it starts to peat right.
1569
01:06:15,173 --> 01:06:16,110
And you can see that in there
1570
01:06:16,110 --> 01:06:18,000
once it gets the boat
mill, ridge there too.
1571
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,290
Yeah.
1572
01:06:19,290 --> 01:06:22,320
So, deer and forest can coexist?
1573
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:23,190
At a loose hill, yeah.
1574
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:24,030
They're a forest animal.
1575
01:06:24,030 --> 01:06:26,640
They have every right to be in here.
1576
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,490
You mentioned something
though that some of the stags,
1577
01:06:29,490 --> 01:06:34,490
those royal stags that you'd
see year after year after year,
1578
01:06:34,620 --> 01:06:35,970
you haven't seen them anymore.
1579
01:06:35,970 --> 01:06:37,620
Well, stags are bad on Ardvar.
1580
01:06:37,620 --> 01:06:39,220
They didn't come back this year.
1581
01:06:40,153 --> 01:06:42,000
It's not something you
get many off up here.
1582
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:43,950
We don't have many royals really.
1583
01:06:43,950 --> 01:06:46,530
So, there's a few of them,
was a few of them on Ardvar,
1584
01:06:46,530 --> 01:06:50,100
but we seem to be missing
them, not coming back,
1585
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:51,690
after the rat in October.
1586
01:06:51,690 --> 01:06:53,550
They usually come back
to Ardvar for the winter
1587
01:06:53,550 --> 01:06:55,080
and they haven't returned.
1588
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,320
So, they've obviously
been caught up in this.
1589
01:06:58,320 --> 01:06:59,790
So, you think they were taken out
1590
01:06:59,790 --> 01:07:01,140
by the John Muir Trust.
1591
01:07:01,140 --> 01:07:03,300
Caught, they would've
been caught up in the...
1592
01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:06,060
If you're missing one or two,
fair enough, that happens,
1593
01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:07,630
but not when you're missing
1594
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,120
quite a few numbers.
1595
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,840
Us for ourselves, you cull the
deer to look after the deer.
1596
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,280
So, you're gonna take out the worst ones.
1597
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,260
But it seems to be across the board,
1598
01:07:19,260 --> 01:07:21,654
they just shoot what's in front of them
1599
01:07:21,654 --> 01:07:23,508
and then, sickening.
1600
01:07:28,050 --> 01:07:30,300
After withdrawing from
the Deer Working Group,
1601
01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:32,490
the John Muir Trust filed for a permit
1602
01:07:32,490 --> 01:07:35,280
with Nature Scot to
conduct night shooting.
1603
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,440
Amidst tensions with the neighbors,
1604
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,290
Balharry expressed a drastic stance
1605
01:07:40,290 --> 01:07:43,470
stating he would kill every deer he could.
1606
01:07:43,470 --> 01:07:45,540
The John Muir Trust are not stalking.
1607
01:07:45,540 --> 01:07:46,710
They're not stalking the deer.
1608
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:48,150
They're killing the deer.
1609
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:50,850
Because as anyone who lives in
this part of the world knows,
1610
01:07:50,850 --> 01:07:55,171
it's very, very easy
to shoot deer at night.
1611
01:07:55,171 --> 01:07:58,500
They don't run when there are
bright lights shone on them.
1612
01:07:58,500 --> 01:08:00,420
Generally, they stand still.
1613
01:08:00,420 --> 01:08:02,610
What has made people very angry of late
1614
01:08:02,610 --> 01:08:05,050
is that there are reports of animals
1615
01:08:06,810 --> 01:08:09,670
being found outside of Quinag
1616
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,960
having been shot but not killed.
1617
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,050
In the dark, if you hit but don't kill,
1618
01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:18,420
it's very difficult to track an animal.
1619
01:08:18,420 --> 01:08:19,740
One of the two stalkers
1620
01:08:19,740 --> 01:08:21,870
who is doing the nighttime shooting
1621
01:08:21,870 --> 01:08:26,190
is the chief executive
officer of JMT himself,
1622
01:08:26,190 --> 01:08:27,023
Mr. Balharry.
1623
01:08:27,023 --> 01:08:27,856
Now, you would think
1624
01:08:27,856 --> 01:08:30,720
that the role of a chief executive officer
1625
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,720
is quite an important one in a business
1626
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,610
as big as the John Muir Trust,
1627
01:08:35,610 --> 01:08:40,200
but the fact that he can
spend hours off his life
1628
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,110
driving from where he lives south of here,
1629
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:45,270
a couple of hours in the middle of winter
1630
01:08:45,270 --> 01:08:50,270
to come up and shoot deer,
not stop deer, but shoot deer,
1631
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:54,990
seems to me that there's a,
there may be a problem with him
1632
01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:57,543
as well as a problem with Nature Scot.
1633
01:08:58,530 --> 01:09:01,950
We are what we thought
the Scottish government
1634
01:09:01,950 --> 01:09:03,600
would like us to be.
1635
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,970
In relation to deer in particular,
1636
01:09:05,970 --> 01:09:10,110
they seem, in a strange way,
hell bent on destroying us.
1637
01:09:10,110 --> 01:09:12,630
The sporting estates
roundabout are anxious.
1638
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:14,587
We've gotta work that
situation with them to say,
1639
01:09:14,587 --> 01:09:17,640
"Look, you know, our
intent is to kill more deer
1640
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,290
and we will," but we're
trying to work with them
1641
01:09:19,290 --> 01:09:22,470
to find a solution to the deer
that are crossing the road.
1642
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:24,750
So, we're aiming to get down to a density
1643
01:09:24,750 --> 01:09:27,480
of about sort of two to four
deer per square kilometer
1644
01:09:27,480 --> 01:09:28,530
across the estate.
1645
01:09:28,530 --> 01:09:31,950
But what is the
total number of deer though?
1646
01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:32,783
Just now?
1647
01:09:33,630 --> 01:09:34,590
Before now,
1648
01:09:34,590 --> 01:09:36,990
I mean, you guys shot, you
know how many deer you shot.
1649
01:09:36,990 --> 01:09:39,000
I mean you have to report
that to the government.
1650
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,137
Yeah, no, I do. So I'm saying-
1651
01:09:40,137 --> 01:09:41,940
So, how many
deer did you guys shoot?
1652
01:09:41,940 --> 01:09:43,878
Well, that's what I'm
saying it's about a hundred.
1653
01:09:43,878 --> 01:09:45,930
And so, we manage lots of estates.
1654
01:09:45,930 --> 01:09:48,570
I don't carry the exact
numbers round in my head.
1655
01:09:48,570 --> 01:09:50,420
I could get them for you in a second.
1656
01:09:54,301 --> 01:09:56,280
Less than 150,
1657
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,533
but I mean the numbers is a,
1658
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,030
it's to debate the numbers
1659
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:04,953
is to miss the point entirely.
1660
01:10:05,790 --> 01:10:08,010
It's about getting the habitat
1661
01:10:08,010 --> 01:10:10,230
and getting the trees to grow.
1662
01:10:10,230 --> 01:10:12,210
So, whatever numbers of
deer need to be culled
1663
01:10:12,210 --> 01:10:14,874
to get the trees to grow,
that's what we'll do.
1664
01:10:14,874 --> 01:10:17,340
A hundred,
less than 150 were taken.
1665
01:10:17,340 --> 01:10:19,770
Did you take all the
deer off of the estate
1666
01:10:19,770 --> 01:10:24,210
or you know, 50%, 20%, 10%?
1667
01:10:24,210 --> 01:10:25,043
- Most of
- I'm just
1668
01:10:25,043 --> 01:10:26,430
trying to get some sort of idea
1669
01:10:26,430 --> 01:10:27,630
of what really was there.
1670
01:10:27,630 --> 01:10:30,783
What propagated you guys
to get these permits?
1671
01:10:32,340 --> 01:10:33,270
What was the motivation?
1672
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:36,120
I know it's to get deer densities
down, I understand that,
1673
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,007
but there had to be
something that triggers like,
1674
01:10:39,007 --> 01:10:42,990
"Hey, we're seeing X amount of
deer here we need to remove."
1675
01:10:42,990 --> 01:10:45,180
And how do you determine how many deer
1676
01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:46,937
you need to remove there at Quinag?
1677
01:10:48,128 --> 01:10:48,961
Um,
1678
01:10:51,390 --> 01:10:54,210
so you get the authorizations
1679
01:10:54,210 --> 01:10:56,160
for shooting deer outta season.
1680
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:00,037
Come on the back of an argument that says,
1681
01:11:00,037 --> 01:11:02,640
"Is it necessary to prevent damage?"
1682
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,090
Damage to what? Damage to
trees that are growing.
1683
01:11:06,090 --> 01:11:09,840
If you control deer in the
seasons, then that's fine.
1684
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,360
You can prevent the damage in season,
1685
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,820
but then the new growth
will simply get browsed off
1686
01:11:14,820 --> 01:11:18,180
in the wintertime, unless you
continue to shoot the deer.
1687
01:11:18,180 --> 01:11:19,500
So that's it, that's the logic
1688
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:20,730
for getting an out season shooting.
1689
01:11:20,730 --> 01:11:23,490
It means that you are unable
to protect your habitats,
1690
01:11:23,490 --> 01:11:24,960
because there are deer on the ground
1691
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,030
in the out of season period.
1692
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:29,010
The deer
that you did harvest,
1693
01:11:29,010 --> 01:11:30,750
did you guys leave the
carcasses on the hill
1694
01:11:30,750 --> 01:11:32,490
or were they sold?
1695
01:11:32,490 --> 01:11:34,530
Majority of them were
taken off the hill.
1696
01:11:34,530 --> 01:11:36,705
Actually leaving carcasses on the hill
1697
01:11:36,705 --> 01:11:37,920
is quite a good thing to do.
1698
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,410
Rather than them being
left as a result of death
1699
01:11:40,410 --> 01:11:42,693
by starvation, or malnutrition,
1700
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,840
or just inability to access shelter.
1701
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,640
These ones are humanely
shot and then left.
1702
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:52,380
And, you know, other
animals can then benefit
1703
01:11:52,380 --> 01:11:53,649
from the carcasses.
1704
01:11:54,482 --> 01:11:56,850
Scottish law
allows for hostile buyouts
1705
01:11:56,850 --> 01:11:59,250
by the community of
neighboring landowners,
1706
01:11:59,250 --> 01:12:01,920
if the landowner in question
is running an estate
1707
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,663
to the detriment of its neighbors.
1708
01:12:04,530 --> 01:12:07,290
It is possible to mount
1709
01:12:07,290 --> 01:12:11,370
what would be a hostile
buyout of that estate
1710
01:12:11,370 --> 01:12:14,130
simply in order to eliminate
the social problem,
1711
01:12:14,130 --> 01:12:15,390
which they're causing.
1712
01:12:15,390 --> 01:12:18,210
But I think that there
are enough local people
1713
01:12:18,210 --> 01:12:20,460
so enraged at what's been going on
1714
01:12:20,460 --> 01:12:22,770
that I don't think it
would be very difficult
1715
01:12:22,770 --> 01:12:26,430
to form such a community group.
1716
01:12:26,430 --> 01:12:28,650
David, the Assynt Crofters' Trust
1717
01:12:28,650 --> 01:12:30,690
regards the deer as an asset,
1718
01:12:30,690 --> 01:12:34,140
utilizing them for food, stalking jobs,
1719
01:12:34,140 --> 01:12:37,200
and promoting tourism as
the tourists need lodging
1720
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,120
and meals on the peninsula.
1721
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,520
The Assynt Crofters' Trust
is a kind of a peculiar model.
1722
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,710
It was, as you say, one of the first ones,
1723
01:12:43,710 --> 01:12:45,900
but it's not exactly a
community ownership model.
1724
01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:48,480
It's a group of crofters
1725
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:51,840
who own the landlord's
interest in their land.
1726
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,240
And for them to exercise
1727
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,400
or for that bit of
legislation to be exercised,
1728
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,260
it would have to be the community.
1729
01:12:58,260 --> 01:13:00,210
And, you know, ideally if the community
1730
01:13:00,210 --> 01:13:03,030
were able to manage in
perpetuity that area of land
1731
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:04,410
for its natural assets,
1732
01:13:04,410 --> 01:13:07,110
that would be a phenomenal
outcome to aim for.
1733
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:09,000
I'm reading in the
paper, they're discussing
1734
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,490
enacting the clause and the law.
1735
01:13:11,490 --> 01:13:13,170
So, how do you respond?
1736
01:13:13,170 --> 01:13:14,720
Well, so it's fine.
1737
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:15,777
So the first thing we would sort of say
1738
01:13:15,777 --> 01:13:17,940
is, well, let's speak to the community
1739
01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:20,190
and let's see what their
land use objectives are.
1740
01:13:20,190 --> 01:13:21,180
What it boils down to
1741
01:13:21,180 --> 01:13:23,940
is that you've got one
group of private interests,
1742
01:13:23,940 --> 01:13:26,370
the landlord's interest
in a crofting estate,
1743
01:13:26,370 --> 01:13:28,950
wanting at the moment to buy the asset
1744
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:30,870
of another private individual.
1745
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:34,260
So, there's two property
rights that are at stake there
1746
01:13:34,260 --> 01:13:36,060
and neither of those property rights
1747
01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:38,400
represents a geographic community.
1748
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,670
It can work if there's a
genuine community thing there
1749
01:13:41,670 --> 01:13:43,290
that shows it's detrimental,
1750
01:13:43,290 --> 01:13:46,350
but I think it can only work
if the owners wanted to sell.
1751
01:13:46,350 --> 01:13:49,200
It's not, you can't sort
of force the sale with it.
1752
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:53,220
People assumed that
legislation would only be used
1753
01:13:53,220 --> 01:13:55,083
against private owners.
1754
01:13:56,490 --> 01:13:59,190
No one envisaged that that legislation
1755
01:13:59,190 --> 01:14:01,590
would be used against
an environmental group.
1756
01:14:01,590 --> 01:14:04,050
It's a nuclear option in lots of ways.
1757
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,480
I'm in Strathglass in
the Scottish Highlands
1758
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:15,060
and all around me is wildfire.
1759
01:14:15,060 --> 01:14:17,640
This wildfire burned over
the last seven or eight days
1760
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,230
and it is the largest wildfire
1761
01:14:19,230 --> 01:14:21,540
to ever occur in the United Kingdom.
1762
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:23,520
It started about three miles over there,
1763
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,110
three and a half miles.
1764
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:27,565
And it burned initially towards Cannich,
1765
01:14:27,565 --> 01:14:29,850
and then it kind of settled a wee bit
1766
01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:31,440
or at least it seemed that way.
1767
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:33,537
And then, yeah, then it
started coming towards us
1768
01:14:33,537 --> 01:14:36,000
and the day it hit here
was the day it just,
1769
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,190
it was tearing all over the place.
1770
01:14:38,190 --> 01:14:39,930
You know, the helicopter was on site,
1771
01:14:39,930 --> 01:14:43,530
the Forestry Commission,
RSPB, the Fire Service,
1772
01:14:43,530 --> 01:14:44,970
everyone was trying their absolute best,
1773
01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:46,800
but they couldn't shoot
water at it from in front.
1774
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,660
It was coming too fast, too hot.
1775
01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:49,880
You know, it was along the top of this
1776
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,214
or the side of this ridge here.
1777
01:14:52,214 --> 01:14:55,290
That was the time where
the gamekeepers turned up
1778
01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:58,500
and started lighting fires this way.
1779
01:14:58,500 --> 01:15:00,390
And the two fires sort of came together
1780
01:15:00,390 --> 01:15:02,100
and they completely turned it.
1781
01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:05,760
In fact, you can see the furthest west
1782
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,193
and extent of the fire
over there on my ridge.
1783
01:15:09,690 --> 01:15:12,090
I mean they literally
made it do 90 degrees.
1784
01:15:12,090 --> 01:15:13,500
It was kind of like the
weirdest thing, you know.
1785
01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:15,840
Here we were firing water
at absolutely everything.
1786
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,820
Another dude stand up
and set fire to stuff
1787
01:15:17,820 --> 01:15:19,650
and that's actually what saved it
1788
01:15:19,650 --> 01:15:21,090
from being an awful lot worse.
1789
01:15:21,090 --> 01:15:22,860
I'm not saying the helicopters
wouldn't have caught it,
1790
01:15:22,860 --> 01:15:26,250
but it was just the fire
could have just forked,
1791
01:15:26,250 --> 01:15:28,110
could have gone in all sorts
of different directions
1792
01:15:28,110 --> 01:15:30,150
and none of the people on the ground
1793
01:15:30,150 --> 01:15:30,990
could do anything about it.
1794
01:15:30,990 --> 01:15:32,310
They couldn't get near it.
1795
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:34,950
Ultimately, the gamekeepers
just controlled.
1796
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:36,120
They sort of corralled it
1797
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,340
and just stopped it from spreading.
1798
01:15:38,340 --> 01:15:42,150
That skill, experience, knowledge,
1799
01:15:42,150 --> 01:15:44,970
specialist stuff, the gamekeepers
1800
01:15:44,970 --> 01:15:47,580
had a significant positive
impact on the outcome.
1801
01:15:47,580 --> 01:15:48,990
No question about it.
1802
01:15:48,990 --> 01:15:51,730
I mean, this fire happened
1803
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:57,420
in large part on ground
that was vegetated heavily.
1804
01:15:57,420 --> 01:15:58,830
You know, we're a non-sporting estate.
1805
01:15:58,830 --> 01:15:59,970
We don't burn.
1806
01:15:59,970 --> 01:16:01,830
I mean the temptation,
I guess, from people
1807
01:16:01,830 --> 01:16:04,470
who are opposed to
conservation, rewilding,
1808
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:05,730
whatever you wanna call it
1809
01:16:05,730 --> 01:16:09,030
is to say that we made
life worse for ourselves
1810
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:11,190
by having all this ground cover.
1811
01:16:11,190 --> 01:16:12,090
There's no getting away from it.
1812
01:16:12,090 --> 01:16:14,123
We're increasing the fuel
burden on the ground.
1813
01:16:14,123 --> 01:16:16,620
There's no way to get away from that.
1814
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:17,910
That is happening.
1815
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:20,970
There is more to burn
on a rewild landscape
1816
01:16:20,970 --> 01:16:23,490
than there is on on the opposite.
1817
01:16:23,490 --> 01:16:27,090
I think it's a fact we're
gonna have more fires.
1818
01:16:27,090 --> 01:16:29,160
That's a fact. We are not prepared.
1819
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,770
We are fundamentally
unprepared at the moment,
1820
01:16:31,770 --> 01:16:33,840
unless you're on a sporting
estate, for example,
1821
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,870
which manages a mosaic of burnt habitat
1822
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:38,460
for different purposes.
1823
01:16:38,460 --> 01:16:40,770
To me, it's bringing in an expert.
1824
01:16:40,770 --> 01:16:43,110
Somebody like the keepers who
are here fighting this fire,
1825
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:43,943
bring them in and say,
1826
01:16:43,943 --> 01:16:47,760
"What can I do to limit my chances
1827
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,688
of experiencing this again?"
1828
01:16:51,930 --> 01:16:53,700
Intensive grouse moor management
1829
01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:55,650
backed by scientific evidence
1830
01:16:55,650 --> 01:16:58,170
yields positive outcomes for nature.
1831
01:16:58,170 --> 01:17:01,590
However, running such
operations incurs annual costs
1832
01:17:01,590 --> 01:17:03,720
in the hundreds of thousands of pounds,
1833
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,810
making ownership of
privilege for the wealthy.
1834
01:17:06,810 --> 01:17:09,690
Simply put, conservation requires funding.
1835
01:17:09,690 --> 01:17:12,660
Dee Ward of Rottal Estate
stands out as a landowner
1836
01:17:12,660 --> 01:17:15,990
who embraces common sense
solutions, managing the lands
1837
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:19,404
to benefit nature while
permitting limited ground shooting
1838
01:17:23,730 --> 01:17:25,650
Come to my estate,
1839
01:17:25,650 --> 01:17:27,480
let's see how much wildlife we have.
1840
01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:30,570
Let's assess all these things.
Let's go to another place.
1841
01:17:30,570 --> 01:17:33,000
You pick a state of your
choice in the uplands
1842
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,740
that does the same thing that I do.
1843
01:17:34,740 --> 01:17:37,260
It's upland. It's not a lowlander estate.
1844
01:17:37,260 --> 01:17:38,520
It's not full of trees.
1845
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,170
It's upland.
1846
01:17:40,170 --> 01:17:41,457
And let's see what wildlife they have
1847
01:17:41,457 --> 01:17:44,730
and let's have a reason
debate about it because I bet,
1848
01:17:44,730 --> 01:17:47,850
and I'll say it now, I bet
that I will have more wildlife
1849
01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:49,680
than any other estate you could show me
1850
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:51,690
that doesn't shoot grouse.
1851
01:17:51,690 --> 01:17:54,330
I think these things
should be based on facts,
1852
01:17:54,330 --> 01:17:56,100
not on emotion.
1853
01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:57,210
All these gullies
1854
01:17:57,210 --> 01:17:59,730
where the rivers or the the streams run,
1855
01:17:59,730 --> 01:18:03,810
the watercourse run, have
very few trees in them.
1856
01:18:03,810 --> 01:18:07,650
Down below, we've got trees
planted along the watercourse.
1857
01:18:07,650 --> 01:18:10,470
The aim is that they will
get big and shade the water.
1858
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:13,110
And one of the aims is that
we improve the water quality
1859
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:16,740
by keeping it cool and we
keep the river health high
1860
01:18:16,740 --> 01:18:18,780
'cause it doesn't really
affect the grouse,
1861
01:18:18,780 --> 01:18:20,970
but it does improve the water quality.
1862
01:18:20,970 --> 01:18:22,200
And to be honest, when I got here,
1863
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:23,670
I didn't know that was a thing to do,
1864
01:18:23,670 --> 01:18:25,623
but you learn as you experience things.
1865
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:29,730
We are trying to create this
balance between the uplands
1866
01:18:29,730 --> 01:18:31,710
and where that merges
into the lower ground,
1867
01:18:31,710 --> 01:18:33,630
where the rivers are at
the bottom of the valley.
1868
01:18:33,630 --> 01:18:36,450
You've got the bottom
where you have the pasture.
1869
01:18:36,450 --> 01:18:37,283
You have wetland.
1870
01:18:37,283 --> 01:18:39,960
You have good habitat for
waders, things like that.
1871
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:41,700
We then have a sort of middle section,
1872
01:18:41,700 --> 01:18:45,570
which is native tree planting
and some natural regeneration.
1873
01:18:45,570 --> 01:18:50,027
And then the top is moorland,
heather, grasses, and so on.
1874
01:18:50,027 --> 01:18:52,800
And the peat is like a
big sponge basically.
1875
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:53,633
So, what we're trying to do
1876
01:18:53,633 --> 01:18:56,190
is restore that peat with a view that,
1877
01:18:56,190 --> 01:18:58,320
one, it's good for
wildlife and biodiversity.
1878
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,720
Two, it stops carbon
emitting into the atmosphere.
1879
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,460
But three and most importantly to me
1880
01:19:02,460 --> 01:19:05,220
is it captures that water as a big sponge
1881
01:19:05,220 --> 01:19:07,680
and it sits there rather
than create flooding
1882
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:08,847
'cause as soon as we create flooding,
1883
01:19:08,847 --> 01:19:11,494
we damage our ecosystem.
1884
01:19:14,670 --> 01:19:16,530
For Alex Jenkins and his family,
1885
01:19:16,530 --> 01:19:19,770
his dream job as the head
keeper at Edinglassie
1886
01:19:19,770 --> 01:19:21,346
has come to an end.
1887
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:25,657
Let me give you a boozy.
1888
01:19:28,373 --> 01:19:29,206
There we go.
1889
01:19:29,206 --> 01:19:30,330
Thanks, Pam. Thank you.
1890
01:19:30,330 --> 01:19:32,070
It's been a pleasure, Alex.
1891
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:33,990
I wish you all the best
in everything you do.
1892
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:35,280
Yeah, thank you.
1893
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:36,234
I'm going to cry.
1894
01:19:37,770 --> 01:19:40,360
I hate saying goodbye to people I know.
1895
01:19:41,433 --> 01:19:44,130
I worry about the
viability of the industry
1896
01:19:44,130 --> 01:19:47,490
if we keep getting attacked
the way we're being attacked.
1897
01:19:47,490 --> 01:19:50,070
It's the pressure of
constantly having to fight
1898
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:53,520
for our survival that I
have found quite tiresome.
1899
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,950
I've been quite politically involved
1900
01:19:55,950 --> 01:19:58,260
certainly for the last
10 years of my career.
1901
01:19:58,260 --> 01:20:01,470
And every turn, we're having
a fight for our way of life.
1902
01:20:01,470 --> 01:20:04,623
I just, I feel it's almost
like death by a thousand cuts.
1903
01:20:05,576 --> 01:20:08,160
I've two young children,
both are primary age.
1904
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,200
As a job going to the hill every day
1905
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:14,220
and working with of wildlife,
I mean it's so rewarding
1906
01:20:14,220 --> 01:20:17,040
and it's been a fantastic
place for my kids to grow up.
1907
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,010
It impacts on my family life quite a lot.
1908
01:20:20,010 --> 01:20:21,810
You know, there's constant
political lobbying,
1909
01:20:21,810 --> 01:20:23,760
just fighting for our future.
1910
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:25,680
And I think it's certainly a factor
1911
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,090
in the decision that I've made
1912
01:20:27,090 --> 01:20:29,580
as while my kids are young,
1913
01:20:29,580 --> 01:20:30,540
I'd certainly like the opportunity
1914
01:20:30,540 --> 01:20:31,560
to spend more time with 'em
1915
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,500
and not have that constant worry
1916
01:20:34,500 --> 01:20:37,290
of where we will be in 10 years time,
1917
01:20:37,290 --> 01:20:38,970
if I'm still gonna have a job.
1918
01:20:38,970 --> 01:20:41,760
Leaving Edinglassie is
gonna be really quite hard.
1919
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,968
We've really loved our time here.
1920
01:20:43,968 --> 01:20:46,590
We haven't taken this decision lightly.
1921
01:20:46,590 --> 01:20:50,250
I mean this has been Alex's
whole working career,
1922
01:20:50,250 --> 01:20:52,410
has been based around gamekeeping.
1923
01:20:52,410 --> 01:20:54,570
The job has changed
for Alex over the years
1924
01:20:54,570 --> 01:20:56,160
in such a short time.
1925
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,410
There's been so many changes
to the keeper in world
1926
01:21:00,660 --> 01:21:02,820
and it just gets tougher and tougher.
1927
01:21:02,820 --> 01:21:05,250
It takes a lot of time
away from the family
1928
01:21:05,250 --> 01:21:08,820
and we've realized over
the last year or two
1929
01:21:08,820 --> 01:21:11,142
that life's too short.
1930
01:21:11,142 --> 01:21:12,900
The countryside is what it is today
1931
01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:13,950
because of the keepers,
1932
01:21:13,950 --> 01:21:17,790
the way people enjoy taking
a tour over the hills,
1933
01:21:17,790 --> 01:21:20,940
enjoying, you know, the
heather and the patches.
1934
01:21:20,940 --> 01:21:24,480
And they won't see that
when the keepers are gone
1935
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,630
'cause there's no one there
to maintain and manage it.
1936
01:21:27,630 --> 01:21:29,190
I think Alex has left industry
1937
01:21:29,190 --> 01:21:31,950
because like a lot of the rest of us,
1938
01:21:31,950 --> 01:21:34,290
we've been gradually getting worn down
1939
01:21:34,290 --> 01:21:39,250
by legislation, rules, regulations
1940
01:21:41,220 --> 01:21:43,730
just scrutinized every little thing we do.
1941
01:21:43,730 --> 01:21:45,213
It just becomes too much.
1942
01:21:46,514 --> 01:21:49,800
I mean, you're almost
demonized for being a keeper.
1943
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,860
Unfortunately, we do have situations
1944
01:21:52,860 --> 01:21:54,333
where there are suicides.
1945
01:21:55,620 --> 01:22:00,210
There is more than one
a week in the country
1946
01:22:00,210 --> 01:22:02,943
who take their own lives in rural jobs,
1947
01:22:03,900 --> 01:22:05,848
more than one a week.
1948
01:22:05,848 --> 01:22:08,850
The straw that broke
the camel's back for me
1949
01:22:08,850 --> 01:22:12,480
would've been the way the ban
on shooting mountain hares
1950
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:14,970
was pushed through as a Stage 3 amendment
1951
01:22:14,970 --> 01:22:16,410
through the parliament.
1952
01:22:16,410 --> 01:22:19,080
And I just thought to myself, you know,
1953
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,030
there's them in a heartbeat.
1954
01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:23,310
And I mean, the whole thing
probably took 15 minutes
1955
01:22:23,310 --> 01:22:25,440
in parliament, but it just legislated
1956
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:30,440
half of my sporting cult
for the year just vanished.
1957
01:22:31,453 --> 01:22:34,620
I mean, it was quite an
inconsequential decision to be MSPs
1958
01:22:34,620 --> 01:22:35,760
who made that decision,
1959
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,593
but to us up here, it was massive.
1960
01:22:38,910 --> 01:22:39,877
And the way it went through, I thought,
1961
01:22:39,877 --> 01:22:41,880
"Well if they've done this once,
1962
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:43,980
they've got a mechanism to do it again.
1963
01:22:43,980 --> 01:22:46,440
and there's some big fights to be fought."
1964
01:22:46,440 --> 01:22:48,660
All the votes in Scotland
are in the Central Belt.
1965
01:22:48,660 --> 01:22:49,920
I mean, it's a widely known fact.
1966
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,360
Most of the voting population
1967
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:52,960
is between Moscow and Edinburgh.
1968
01:22:53,804 --> 01:22:55,879
There's not enough of us
involved in this industry.
1969
01:22:55,879 --> 01:22:56,790
There's not enough of us living
1970
01:22:56,790 --> 01:23:00,471
in these remote clans to really matter.
1971
01:23:00,471 --> 01:23:02,580
But the Scottish government
just doesn't seem to care.
1972
01:23:02,580 --> 01:23:04,500
I mean, that's increasingly obvious
1973
01:23:04,500 --> 01:23:06,780
with every new bit of
legislation that comes through,
1974
01:23:06,780 --> 01:23:09,630
what disregard they have for
what happens in these hills.
1975
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:11,619
Yeah.
1976
01:23:13,770 --> 01:23:15,720
Change is something that human beings
1977
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,060
don't necessarily welcome easily.
1978
01:23:18,060 --> 01:23:20,700
We're not comfortable with
it, but change is inevitable.
1979
01:23:20,700 --> 01:23:22,768
And I think in some
cases, it's desirable too.
1980
01:23:22,768 --> 01:23:25,320
So, it is true to say
1981
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,800
that what you might term
traditional land uses,
1982
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,260
and by that I mean sheep farming,
1983
01:23:31,260 --> 01:23:34,830
grouse shooting, upland
deer stalking, et cetera,
1984
01:23:34,830 --> 01:23:35,730
they are under pressure.
1985
01:23:35,730 --> 01:23:37,260
They are under scrutiny.
1986
01:23:37,260 --> 01:23:40,680
And in some cases, they
are being phased out.
1987
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:41,970
I don't believe
1988
01:23:41,970 --> 01:23:45,870
and I see absolutely no
evidence for this notion
1989
01:23:45,870 --> 01:23:50,130
that rewilding automatically
leads to de-peopling.
1990
01:23:50,130 --> 01:23:52,290
There's no evidence of that whatsoever.
1991
01:23:52,290 --> 01:23:55,200
So if you go, for
example, up to Glenfeshie,
1992
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,060
which is just a few miles from here,
1993
01:23:57,060 --> 01:24:00,210
there are more people living
and working in that landscape
1994
01:24:00,210 --> 01:24:02,580
than there have been for
the last 20, 30 years.
1995
01:24:02,580 --> 01:24:05,850
Still the same dear
stalkers, land managers,
1996
01:24:05,850 --> 01:24:07,650
but you've also got fencing contractors.
1997
01:24:07,650 --> 01:24:11,010
You've got peatland restoration experts.
1998
01:24:11,010 --> 01:24:14,010
You've got scientists,
researchers, tourism operators,
1999
01:24:14,010 --> 01:24:15,450
hospitality providers.
2000
01:24:15,450 --> 01:24:18,540
All of these businesses
in one way or another
2001
01:24:18,540 --> 01:24:20,370
are a reflection of the landscape
2002
01:24:20,370 --> 01:24:22,620
that is in recovery or
rewilding, if you like.
2003
01:24:22,620 --> 01:24:24,090
I understand the fear,
2004
01:24:24,090 --> 01:24:27,690
but I don't think there's
any serious foundation in it.
2005
01:24:27,690 --> 01:24:30,660
I can somewhat relate to the sadness
2006
01:24:30,660 --> 01:24:33,240
and the anguish of how
those individuals may feel.
2007
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,880
'cause my background is I'm from Zimbabwe
2008
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,670
and my father was a farmer out there
2009
01:24:38,670 --> 01:24:42,900
and a lot of the white farmers
were removed from their land.
2010
01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:45,540
And it's not something that
I would want the people here
2011
01:24:45,540 --> 01:24:47,003
to ever experience
2012
01:25:01,580 --> 01:25:03,160
Currently where we are
2013
01:25:04,410 --> 01:25:09,120
and it's pretty much
agreed that we give nature
2014
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,910
a foothold, a boost up.
2015
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:15,840
And we allow nature to
kind of then kind of work
2016
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,863
with what we're doing, because
we are part of the landscape.
2017
01:25:21,150 --> 01:25:24,300
There's no denying that we are part of it
2018
01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:27,510
from year to where we are now.
2019
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:30,330
And it's our involvement
has gone up and down
2020
01:25:30,330 --> 01:25:31,522
over thousands of years
2021
01:25:31,522 --> 01:25:34,290
with the landscapes that we live in.
2022
01:25:34,290 --> 01:25:37,950
So yeah, we mustn't go down the road
2023
01:25:37,950 --> 01:25:40,165
of having another highland
clearance, if you like.
2024
01:25:44,957 --> 01:25:48,240
In the heart of Scotland,
a silent battle rages
2025
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,270
and the very essence of the
highlands is under threat.
2026
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:53,850
As rural guardians, keepers, gillies,
2027
01:25:53,850 --> 01:25:58,320
and stalkers are edged out
of their ancestral lands.
2028
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,540
Conservation is wisdom in action.
2029
01:26:00,540 --> 01:26:04,320
Keepers of the unsung heroes,
custodians of the land,
2030
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,480
but it's time for a new chapter
2031
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:09,240
where their knowledge
protects not just the game
2032
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,400
but entire ecosystems.
2033
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,260
Rewilders and land stewards,
2034
01:26:13,260 --> 01:26:15,540
those keepers seek the same end,
2035
01:26:15,540 --> 01:26:17,520
a thriving, vibrant landscape,
2036
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,950
yet history's weight drags them apart.
2037
01:26:19,950 --> 01:26:22,950
It's a struggle reminiscent
of the Highland Clearances,
2038
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:26,070
a cultural genocide in slow motion.
2039
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:28,530
What legacy will they
leave for the future?
2040
01:26:28,530 --> 01:26:31,260
It's a question echoing through the glens,
2041
01:26:31,260 --> 01:26:32,789
waiting for an answer.
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