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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,240 [Rona Barrett] Tell me about the early days of Donald Trump. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,680 -Well-- -I mean, were you born into wealth? 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,240 I mean, was your father-- I know your father was successful, 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,560 but when you came along, was he already successful? 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,680 Oh, yes. My father was very successful. My father built homes and apartment houses 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,800 in various sections and did very well. 7 00:00:19,927 --> 00:00:23,120 And I was brought-- brought up in the construction business, so to speak, 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,040 and I enjoyed it from day one. 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,720 Donald was given a great gift, and the gift was, 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,920 "You love the land, make the most out of it." 11 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:42,400 But I really believed then, as I believe today, that... 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:48,880 like many young men who had fathers who were very successful, 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,640 the most important thing, subconsciously or even consciously, 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:59,920 is that they wanted to prove that they could be bigger and better than Daddy. 15 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,800 For too many years now, we've placed trust in rules, 16 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,160 regulations, and government. 17 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,480 Well, I think it's about time that we placed trust in ourselves. 18 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,847 [launch control man] Minus ten, nine, eight... 19 00:01:27,972 --> 00:01:30,920 [Ronald Reagan] I know that we can't make things right overnight, 20 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,120 but we will make America great again. 21 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,973 [launch control man] ...four. We've gone for main engine start. 22 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,160 Lift-off. Three... 23 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,720 [crowd applauds] 24 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,602 [David Cay Johnston] Ronald Reagan's election in 1980 25 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,680 was the biggest change in America since FDR in 1932. 26 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,360 [indistinct chatter] 27 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,040 Reagan basically said, "Let's just open up the floodgates 28 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,760 and let business be business." 29 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:05,600 [clamoring] 30 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,240 [Johnston] Suddenly, it was much easier to borrow money. 31 00:02:20,902 --> 00:02:23,040 They were much more willing to take risks. 32 00:02:40,632 --> 00:02:42,440 Look at the arc of Donald Trump's career. 33 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,480 He comes to New York, then he builds Trump Tower, 34 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,160 and he's getting all of these articles and TV shows done about him 35 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,240 as the modern Midas, everything he touches turns to gold. 36 00:02:54,327 --> 00:02:55,680 What do you do for an encore? 37 00:02:55,827 --> 00:02:58,080 What do you do for a second act? What do you do next? 38 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:13,640 [telephone ringing] 39 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,200 [Marvin Roffman] One day, I receive a telephone call. 40 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,360 At the time, I was working for a member firm 41 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,480 of the New York stock exchange following the gaming industry. 42 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,320 And the man identified himself as Donald Trump... 43 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:32,560 Donald Trump. 44 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,240 -...who I never heard of. -[inaudible dialogue] 45 00:03:36,435 --> 00:03:41,280 [laughs] I didn't know who it was... And-- And he said that, 46 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:47,600 "Marvin, I've been reading your reports and I like what I'm reading, 47 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,040 and I wanted to introduce myself to you, 48 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:57,240 because I'm going to make a very strong presence in Atlantic City, 49 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,200 and I intend to be a major factor in the gaming industry." 50 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,320 And that ended the conversation. 51 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,800 You take care, so long. 52 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,880 [Roffman] I found him to be a very pleasant chap. 53 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,320 I had absolutely no problem with him at all. 54 00:04:18,280 --> 00:04:20,440 At that time. [chuckles] 55 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,880 [indistinct chatter] 56 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,080 [clinking, rattling] 57 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,480 [man] Sixty-five of 'em! 58 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,360 Seven, ladies and gentlemen. 59 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:56,760 Once! 60 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,760 Do it again. Do it again. Do it again. Ace! 61 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,520 Bust. Ah! 62 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,240 Fantastic. [chuckles] Fantastic. 63 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,120 [laughs] 64 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,000 [clinking, rattling] 65 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,120 The stocks were exploding. It was like the dot-com craze. 66 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,360 [indistinct chatter] 67 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,992 [Wayne Barrett] Fred Trump was never reckless. 68 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:49,840 Fred Trump... 69 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,160 built 20,000 units of real housing for real people. 70 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,720 Whereas Donald's projects were much more about, 71 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,920 "How do I put the stamp of wealth... 72 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,000 on everything I build?" 73 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,640 So, they were kind of diametrically opposed. 74 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:18,040 Fred told him, "Don't go to Atlantic City. Don't get involved in casinos." 75 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,760 [male reporter] Gross revenues from 1980 total $623 million. 76 00:06:29,817 --> 00:06:32,120 -Okay, now is the time, folks, go ahead. -[man] All right? 77 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,280 [woman] Yay! 78 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,000 -Beautiful! -[woman cheers] 79 00:06:35,117 --> 00:06:38,606 [female reporter] Trump's Castle opened its doors to the public today. 80 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:46,240 [Roffman] What he was doing was the early stages of building his brand. 81 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,640 That's the key, building the Trump brand. 82 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,320 [indistinct chatter] 83 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:07,800 That's me! 84 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,840 Well, I'm very honored. It was a unanimous vote, I'm very happy. 85 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,480 [Johnston] I went to Atlantic City to examine the casino business, 86 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,600 and as soon as I arrived, I meet Donald Trump. 87 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,760 Competitors in the casino business, some big gamblers that I met, 88 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,440 they all said the same thing. 89 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,084 "Donald doesn't know anything about the casino business." 90 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,240 I was skeptical, so when I went to interview him in depth for the first time, 91 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,080 which was a couple of weeks after we met... 92 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,880 I deliberately asked Donald four questions that had falsehoods in them. 93 00:07:43,027 --> 00:07:46,055 -[inaudible dialogue] -[Johnston] In the back of my notebook, 94 00:07:46,137 --> 00:07:49,320 I'd written down false statements about the casino business. 95 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:50,760 [inaudible dialogue] 96 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,600 [Johnston] I thought he would have corrected me about the facts... 97 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,320 but Trump takes my falsehoods and incorporates them into his answer. 98 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,920 That's what con artists do. 99 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,240 It's going to be tremendously successful. It's going to be great for Atlantic City. 100 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,200 Great for everybody. 101 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,240 Good luck, everybody. Thank you for being here. 102 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,720 [Johnston] How much are you gonna win the first year, Donald? 103 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,200 [Jack O'Donnell] Donald Trump owns two casinos at that point. 104 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,200 Steve Hyde, my boss, is... 105 00:08:20,682 --> 00:08:22,960 the chief operating officer of Trump Plaza. 106 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,240 [reporter] Can you give us your full name and title again? 107 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,680 Steven Hyde, Steven Frank Hyde if you want the full name. 108 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,800 Steven Hyde, President, Trump Plaza. 109 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:36,960 And Ivana Trump is chief operating officer of Trump Castle. 110 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,600 [inaudible dialogue] 111 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,560 [indistinct chatter] 112 00:08:45,112 --> 00:08:47,560 We'll be number one. The right manager, we're number one. 113 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,600 Nobody competes with it. 114 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,120 [O'Donnell] Donald puts a great deal of faith in family. 115 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,240 There's a trust factor that he puts in family 116 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,480 that he puts above almost everybody else. 117 00:09:05,437 --> 00:09:08,720 [Ivana Trump] They were looking so much forward that I would fall down, 118 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,800 and I just said, "It's no way I'm going to give them the satisfaction." 119 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,640 You have to be strong, because people cannot just run over you. 120 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,040 If you have to make a decision, you just make it. 121 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,920 [Nikki Haskell] Well, Ivana was a worker, she was a doer. 122 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,160 She worked from the time she was a little girl. 123 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,240 -She always had very heavy work ethics. -[reporters clamoring] 124 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,240 I mean, I remember with her when we were down in Atlantic City, 125 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,520 we went through every single room. 126 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,520 It was like 500 rooms. 127 00:09:37,087 --> 00:09:39,637 She would say, "The bannister's coming off of this, 128 00:09:39,762 --> 00:09:42,240 the drapes are too long, the bed is too short," 129 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,640 and anything that didn't move, walk, or talk, she painted gold. 130 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,840 [male interviewer] When is your flight, Mrs. Trump? 131 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,920 -Excuse me? -When will your helicopter take off? 132 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,480 Uh... It's supposed to be 11, but it's our helicopter, 133 00:09:56,560 --> 00:09:58,520 -I can leave any time, you know. -Okay. 134 00:09:58,622 --> 00:10:01,000 I have something I have to get for some lunch and... 135 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,320 'Course. And you don't mind us following you to the airport just to-- 136 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:05,880 No, I don't. 137 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,880 [O'Donnell] She was a tough personality. 138 00:10:08,350 --> 00:10:10,717 You know, if I can say this, it sounds mean, 139 00:10:10,817 --> 00:10:13,117 but there's nothing warm and fuzzy about Ivana. 140 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,440 [journalist] What's your typical day like when you're here? 141 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:17,360 I usually come first thing in the morning, 142 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:18,360 I sign those checks. 143 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,240 There is no check which is coming out of this building which is unsigned. 144 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,960 I have all the contracts and all the requisition orders, 145 00:10:24,042 --> 00:10:26,745 and, uh, then I have a meeting one after the other one. 146 00:10:26,890 --> 00:10:29,210 Every department comes in, casino department, 147 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,840 marketings, uh, hotel operation people, 148 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,840 they come in here and we do the strategies, 149 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,680 we're doing what is right and what is wrong, 150 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,840 looking over the numbers. 151 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,160 [clinking, rattling] 152 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,120 [male reporter] The first month they were open, 153 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,560 the casino broke the all-time first month Atlantic City record 154 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,200 with a profit of $21 million. 155 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,280 This, Trump says, is where the gravy is, 156 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:55,800 and this is only one of two casinos he has in Atlantic City. 157 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,800 The other, Trump Plaza, opened a year ago. 158 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,640 [O'Donnell] It was no secret that she didn't get along with Steve Hyde. 159 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,840 The Plaza had established ourselves as going after the high-end business 160 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,560 and that was an image that Ivana wanted. 161 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:22,120 And she was very aggressive in those areas, 162 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,560 to try to take business, you know, 163 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,880 not only from Caesars or any of the other competitors, 164 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,280 but to also take it from us. 165 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:37,160 You know, if we thought somebody was only worthy of, you know, a limo ride, 166 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,800 as an example, she might give them a helicopter. 167 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,240 To win their favor. 168 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,160 [Donald Trump] Atlantic City is right now at a really great turning point, 169 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,920 and it's gonna go one way or the other. 170 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,280 And I'm gonna damn well make sure it goes the other. 171 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,320 We wanna make it a fabulous place. 172 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,120 [O'Donnell] Donald was clearly amused by the rivalry. 173 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,240 I think it's part of his management style, 174 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,920 is that people fighting with one another... 175 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:05,920 [laughing] 176 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,240 [O'Donnell] ...is a good thing. 177 00:12:07,685 --> 00:12:09,217 No photos so far, guys. 178 00:12:09,352 --> 00:12:13,065 He had two properties that were on the verge of warfare between each other, 179 00:12:13,277 --> 00:12:15,102 and they were owned by the same guy. 180 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,440 [interviewer] Last question. If you could describe your husband in one word... 181 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,960 I wouldn't brag. I think Donald, for... 182 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,400 in a certain way, is a genius in his field. 183 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,160 [interviewer] Okay, that's great. 184 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,200 Thank you very much for your time, we appreciate it. 185 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,200 [inaudible dialogue] 186 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,440 [Ronald Reagan] To young Americans wondering tonight, 187 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,960 "What will I do with my future?" I have a suggestion. 188 00:12:42,257 --> 00:12:44,920 Follow in the footsteps of those two college students 189 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,640 who launched one of America's great computer firms 190 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,480 from the garage behind their house. 191 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,200 [female interviewer] What are your annual revenues at Microsoft? 192 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,200 We're expecting to do just over 100 million this year. 193 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,720 You too can become leaders in this great new era of progress, 194 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,920 the age of the entrepreneur. 195 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:15,520 -Well, Mr. Mayor, how do you like it? -This is beautiful. Beautiful. 196 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,680 Matter of fact, I've never seen anything like it. 197 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,760 -It's really... -Not something like it. 198 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,080 It's really something special. 199 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,120 [Johnston] Donald Trump has this cash machine 200 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,600 in the casinos of Atlantic City. They're just throwing money at him. 201 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,247 Rivers of cash are flowing to Donald Trump in ways even beyond, 202 00:13:35,310 --> 00:13:36,672 I suspect, his imagination. 203 00:13:36,772 --> 00:13:39,735 And after a few years of this, he goes on this buying spree. 204 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,360 [female interviewer] This is really spectacular. 205 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,200 Did the Trumps buy it as is? 206 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,320 [man] They re-did the entire interior. 207 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,280 [interviewer] Now, what kind of china and silverware do they use? 208 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,400 -It's, uh, 24-carat. -Twenty-four carat gold? 209 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,680 Yes, 24-carat gold. 210 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,680 -All the utensils? -Is there any other kind? 211 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,200 [Tony Schwartz] It was the go-go era. 212 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,120 Donald Trump very self-consciously wanted to be an exemplar, 213 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:20,840 an avatar of that era. 214 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,120 This is the great entrance hall to Mar-a-Lago. 215 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,880 [Schwartz] Trump was an irresistible story for almost any reporter. 216 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:40,120 There was a seductiveness about it, even as I cringed. 217 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,880 When you sit in here with people all around this table 218 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,760 and you eat off of this gold in this room, what do you think? 219 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,440 I say, "What am I doing here? 220 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,240 -How did this happen?" -[laughs] 221 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,560 Oh, Donald, oh, Donald, how you can deal. 222 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,480 Oh, Donald, oh, Donald, you are a big deal. 223 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:58,640 Look at this. 224 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,160 I mean, would you want your daughter to bring this guy home? 225 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,840 -He's worth 800 million bucks. -I remember that. 226 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:05,960 That's my article. 227 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,040 [audience applauds] 228 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,640 The deal I struck with him was to be his ghostwriter. 229 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,040 Trump: The Art of the Deal is the title of this book. 230 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,182 Random House is pleased that I'm calling it to your attention. 231 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,497 [Schwartz] "The Art of the Deal." 232 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,560 It came to me in a moment. I've never come up with a title nearly as good. 233 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:31,080 That notion that you could write a book about a series of deals that he made 234 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,640 in an era that celebrated deal making, 235 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,080 just made sense to me as a saleable product. 236 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,680 During the writing of the book, 237 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,480 I spent hundreds of hours with Donald Trump. 238 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,360 Are you gonna sign books in the stores, do all that stuff? 239 00:15:49,442 --> 00:15:52,000 Every once in a while, I might have to. Whatever it take to make it 240 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,080 nice and successful, 'cause I like having successes. 241 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,062 I like success much better than failure, somehow. I don't know. 242 00:15:57,147 --> 00:15:59,625 -[show host] Uh... [chuckles] -[audience applauds] 243 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,997 [Schwartz] He has a very primitive worldview, 244 00:16:02,122 --> 00:16:03,600 a very binary worldview, 245 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,400 that I believe was born from the relationship with his father. 246 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:15,200 His father was extremely tough, uh, to the point of even being cruel at times. 247 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,880 Donald perceived that to survive, 248 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,280 he needed to be as tough or tougher than his father. 249 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,240 "If people screw me, I screw 'em... I screw back in spades." 250 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,520 [audience laughs, applauds] 251 00:16:29,657 --> 00:16:31,400 I mean, is there something wrong with that? 252 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:32,840 -Tell me. What? -[show host] I'm-- 253 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,400 Is there something wrong with that? 254 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,160 [Schwartz] So, this binary worldview that he had 255 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,080 was: there are predators and there are victims. 256 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,040 That's it. Black and white. 257 00:16:42,477 --> 00:16:44,945 So, if you're not the predator, you're the victim. 258 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,280 What did I discover about his values? 259 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,920 He was value-free. He was value-free. 260 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,240 I thought he was a sociopath. 261 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,800 He has no conscience. 262 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,080 Doesn't make a distinction between right and wrong. 263 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,360 [crowd clamors] 264 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:16,040 Historically, big boxing matches took place at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas. 265 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,840 [crowd cheers] 266 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,360 [O'Donnell] Nobody had ever really challenged Las Vegas 267 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,400 until we did it at Trump Plaza. 268 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,400 Donald had the pockets to do this, the deep pockets to do this, 269 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:30,640 and nobody else had that. 270 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,560 [cheering escalates] 271 00:17:42,997 --> 00:17:44,280 [announcer] Here he comes... 272 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,880 Our host, Mr. Donald J. Trump! 273 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,160 [crowd cheers, applauds] 274 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,600 [man] He's very smart in that ring, as he is out of the ring. 275 00:17:59,717 --> 00:18:01,280 I can't see anybody beating him. 276 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,520 I'm throwing down. I've got a million dollars right here today. 277 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,520 I got the megabucks! 278 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,160 [O'Donnell] Yes, we did 'em to make money in the casino, but... 279 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,600 we also did it because Donald wanted to be the center of the universe 280 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:14,760 and boxing made that. 281 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,040 -Fellas... -[photographer] Jack! 282 00:18:17,212 --> 00:18:20,187 [O'Donnell] Celebrities from all over the world coming in... 283 00:18:20,262 --> 00:18:23,560 The A-list from Hollywood, they all wanted to attend these fights. 284 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,360 [inaudible dialogue] 285 00:18:25,537 --> 00:18:28,200 [O'Donnell] He loved to rub elbows with, uh, celebrities, 286 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,160 and talk about celebrities as if they're all his best friends. 287 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,680 Look who we have here. This is the big man. 288 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,600 Good to see you, it looks like an exciting evening. 289 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:38,960 It is going to be a biggie. 290 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,840 Donald was building a corporate empire. 291 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:47,280 Fred just saw this as a giant achievement. 292 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,360 Oh, predictions? 293 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,880 [female reporter] Who's gonna win it? 294 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,760 I'll reserve judgment on that, okay? 295 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,402 [Barrett] He's an entrepreneur. 296 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,440 His son's doing what he had dreamed about doing. 297 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,400 Right? I mean, his son was a giant king. 298 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,280 [photographers clamoring] 299 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:10,440 Hey, John. 300 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:11,800 [laughing] 301 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,320 -Ivana Trump. -[laughs] I trust you. 302 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,320 -Yeah, here she is, the First Lady. -Yeah. Here-- Here she comes. 303 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,320 -You're gorgeous. Vivacious. -Miss America, right? 304 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,240 -Oh, yes. -Excited? 305 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,480 Behind the scenes, I don't know what Ivana did know or didn't know. 306 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,400 -[man] It's good to see you. -Good to see you. 307 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,400 [O'Donnell] But I had heard, you know, rumors, stories, 308 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,240 that Donald liked to go out at nighttime and he was on the prowl. 309 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:32,960 It's a great evening. 310 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,880 And then of course, I mean, it became clear that maybe the stories were true 311 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,400 when Marla arrived on the scene. 312 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,960 -[man] Basically, that's all she's doing. -[Marla laughs] 313 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,040 [O'Donnell] Marla Maples was this kind of southern girl from a small town, 314 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,200 charming, beautiful. 315 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,480 [indistinct background chatter] 316 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,200 [O'Donnell] Had a... kind of an amateur background in modeling. 317 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,440 Do you wanna go to the restroom with me too? [laughs] 318 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,480 [cameraman] No, no, no, I don't do that kind of... 319 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,280 [O'Donnell] We desperately tried to manage it at Trump Plaza, 320 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,840 'cause that's where she's staying. 321 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,240 -That's right! -[cameraman] Yeah. 322 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,520 -See you then. I'm sorry. I will be back. -[cameraman] Bye. 323 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,560 She was there all the time. And so, you know, everybody knew. 324 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,880 But the Tyson-Holmes fight was the first time that we had Marla 325 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,680 and Ivana in the same room for an event. 326 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,000 [bell dings] 327 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:46,560 [announcer] And now, ladies and gentlemen, let's get ready to rumble! 328 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:48,840 Twelve rounds! 329 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,720 [inaudible dialogue] 330 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,560 [cheering] 331 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,400 [announcer] We go round one. The heavyweight championship of the world. 332 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,880 Tyson quickly on top of Holmes and he nails him right away. 333 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,400 [O'Donnell] It was a big arena, but... you know, both had pretty good seats. 334 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,040 And you could turn one way and see one and turn the other way and see the other. 335 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,640 [crowd cheers] 336 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,760 [announcer] Back with the right hand, the left hand! 337 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,320 He's gotta hang on or they'll stop the fight. 338 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,520 Down he goes! 339 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,160 It's all over! He is knocked out! 340 00:21:34,382 --> 00:21:36,680 [O'Donnell] Donald Trump wasn't the first guy 341 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,440 to bring his girlfriend to a casino, 342 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:44,280 but really the high-profile nature of it is what-- is what surprised me so much. 343 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,960 [Johnston] By the late 1980s, Donald Trump's marriage 344 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,520 with Ivana is falling apart, 345 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,400 and he has this mistress. 346 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,200 How's he going to keep this separate? 347 00:21:55,752 --> 00:21:57,360 He comes up with a brilliant strategy. 348 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,760 [Trump] She's got an ability to manage, and manage with style, 349 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,840 and I thought the greatest toy that I could give Ivana 350 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,040 would be to put her at the Plaza Hotel. 351 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,480 -Why did you buy the Plaza? -Why did I buy it? 352 00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:20,977 Because it would have driven me crazy if anyone else owned it. 353 00:22:21,070 --> 00:22:22,710 -Why? -'Cause I'm looking at it every day. 354 00:22:22,832 --> 00:22:24,467 How would I feel if somebody else owned it? 355 00:22:24,567 --> 00:22:26,592 Wouldn't that be a horrible? You come to your office, 356 00:22:26,667 --> 00:22:28,130 looking at the most beautiful building 357 00:22:28,217 --> 00:22:30,617 that I've ever seen, the Plaza Hotel, and somebody else owns it 358 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,200 I'd feel guilty, so I had to buy it. 359 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,080 But I look out on buildings all the time and I don't wanna own them. 360 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,000 [Trump] Well, it's a different mindset. 361 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:39,800 When I buy the Plaza Hotel, to me, that's exciting, 362 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,360 because it's a trophy, it's a total trophy. 363 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,840 Part of the reason it's exciting is because they're mega deals, 364 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,840 they're important deals, they're glamorous deals. 365 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,760 Everybody talks about them, 366 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,000 everybody reads about them, and writes about them. 367 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,120 There's a level of importance there that I think also somewhat turns me on. 368 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,000 [Barbara Res] He bought it for a ridiculous amount of money. 369 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,800 I don't think he even negotiated the price of it. 370 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,680 He had changed. 371 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,800 He was not as conversational, um, as personable, um... 372 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,040 as friendly as he had been. 373 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,240 And he was also very full of himself. 374 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,360 He was definitely not to be challenged, and... 375 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,440 you know, it was very hard for me because I was used to challenging him. 376 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,600 [crowd applauds] 377 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,920 [inaudible dialogue] 378 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,760 The story goes that he was bringing Marla down to Atlantic City, 379 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,200 so he had to bring Ivana back up, and I don't know what-- 380 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,240 -I don't know the truth of that or not. -[Ivana exclaiming] 381 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:45,120 [applause, clamoring] 382 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,400 [crowd cheers] 383 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,000 [woman] Hi, guys! 384 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:01,280 [man] All right, thank you. 385 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,360 -[female reporter] Ivana, how do you feel? -I feel-- I feel great. I feel great. 386 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,080 -Are you going to miss this place? -Uh... I'm not going anywhere. 387 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,480 I'm here to stay. 388 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,080 And I'm just going to release... And Donald needs me in the Plaza, 389 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,000 and I wanna bring it to... six-star hotel. 390 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,360 It's only five-stars hotel in the world. I wanna bring it to the six-star. 391 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,360 And I'm nearly there and I need a bit more with the family around. 392 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,480 And I'm really being honored, and it's great. 393 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,520 [reporter] How do you feel about all these people here to say goodbye to you? 394 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,840 I think it's fantastic, I think it's a great honor to me, 395 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,807 and to the whole Trump Organization. 396 00:24:30,907 --> 00:24:32,520 -Thank you. -[whistling] 397 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,640 -Have a good time. -[reporter] How you doing, Donald? 398 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,600 -Fine, how are you? -Nice to see you again. 399 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,520 [Chung] You're... You're 43, you have a wife and three children, 400 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,120 a lot of buildings, a lot of debt. 401 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,280 Have you gone through your mid-life crisis yet? 402 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:51,960 I think I've gone through my mid-life crisis, uh... 403 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,200 You have? You've gone through the-- I mean, a mid-life crisis is very-- 404 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,800 I'm saying is I don't think it's been a traumatic period for me. 405 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,400 I mean, maybe I haven't been there yet, 406 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,160 'cause I'm not sure that I'm really at mid-life yet. I hope I'm not. 407 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,680 So maybe I haven't been there yet. 408 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,080 I'll make you a deal. If I do go through a mid-life crisis, I'll call you. 409 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,800 I'll let you know, it'll be very exciting. 410 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,960 [indistinct chatter] 411 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,240 -And you are trying to reproduce-- -I'm trying to re... 412 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:19,360 -...the curve. -Right. 413 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,880 [Res] Ivana could be mean, and she could be demanding, 414 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,800 and she wouldn't listen, but she worked like a dog. 415 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,840 -She was so totally dedicated to Donald... -[inaudible dialogue] 416 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,440 ...and that loyalty... You could not not respect the woman. 417 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,040 Wanna keep the costs down to a very low point. 418 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,757 I watch Donald. Donald, it's incredible. He's incredible in the business. 419 00:25:40,857 --> 00:25:44,160 He's fantastic at dealing with the people, how he negotiates. 420 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,000 I really learned a lot from him. 421 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,000 The big difference was she now considered herself his equal. 422 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,520 [photographer] Look this way, please. 423 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,600 Thank you. 424 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,520 [camera shutters clicking] 425 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,320 [Res] They had a party for her, and he was just a fixture at it, 426 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,280 he was just another person. 427 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,880 And he was seething, and I could tell that he was angry about it. 428 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:18,240 [inaudible dialogue] 429 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:19,880 Thank you. 430 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,000 [inaudible dialogue] 431 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,520 He couldn't stand the fact that people at the Plaza deferred to her. 432 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,800 Trump was very, very angry at Ivana. He disliked her. 433 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,040 She had done all the furniture in the apartments, 434 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,480 and I was taking him on a walk through... 435 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,880 and when he saw the furniture, he got irate. 436 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,760 He opened the door to an armoire and he pulled it off, and I thought, 437 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,760 "Oh, my God, this is... This is bad." 438 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,320 He went berserk. 439 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,040 He was horrible to her. Horrible. 440 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,680 Where they had been so respectful of each other, 441 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,400 and what I thought, genuinely loving of each other, 442 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:13,480 he now was just mean to her, and a monster. 443 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,080 Do you have everything? 444 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:23,920 Uh... In financial aspect, yes. If I have everything, um, I don't know. 445 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,760 I have a good husband and I have a beautiful family. 446 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,120 I have a good job. You know, it's very-- all very fragile. 447 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,320 It might be here today, might not be here tomorrow, 448 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,800 so you might as well enjoy it when it is there. 449 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,360 [indistinct chatter] 450 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,320 [Reagan] It's been quite a journey this decade, 451 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,280 and we held together through some stormy seas. 452 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,080 And at the end, together, we're reaching our destination. 453 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,280 [Mike Dunbar] I was a staunch Reaganite. 454 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,520 I-- I was very committed to Reagan. 455 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,240 -[woman] President Reagan! -[woman 2] President Reagan! 456 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,080 [gunshots firing] 457 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,160 -[clamoring] - [screaming] 458 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:07,280 [indistinct shouting] 459 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,000 Get him out! Get him out! Get him out! 460 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,640 -[agent 2] Get back! -[agent 1] Get him out! 461 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,040 -[agent 2] Go! -[agent 1] Get him out of here! 462 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,600 I will tell you that when he was shot by John Hinckley, I cried. 463 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,120 It was... It was actually-- And it's... It's drawing 464 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,840 those emotions up in me again. 465 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,440 Reagan extolled the entrepreneur, people who ran businesses, 466 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,080 people who built things. 467 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,760 The Reagan administration is coming to an end. 468 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,480 To see the presidency revert back to a typical establishment politician, 469 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,560 somebody like a George Bush, would have really distressed me. 470 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,480 Donald Trump came up on my radar screen and I decided this is the guy. 471 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,760 This is the stationary that I came up with. 472 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,160 "The Committee to Draft Donald Trump for President." 473 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,120 "Coordinator Mike Dunbar stated 474 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,160 that the Draft Trump Committee has two objectives, 475 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,080 convince Donald Trump to declare his candidacy for president, 476 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,720 and to put in place an organization that will enable him 477 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,080 to win New Hampshire's first in the nation primary." 478 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,320 Uh... You know, it was a one-man show, this was Mike Dunbar. 479 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,760 Um... I-- I always spoke in the first-person plural, "we," 480 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,720 so that it sounded like there was a group. It was-- It was me. 481 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,400 Is it true that you're going to go to New Hampshire in October 482 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,440 at the invitation of Mike Dunbar, who is heading a group called Draft Donald Trump? 483 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,480 I am going, I made the commitment to go. 484 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,400 I made the commitment about three weeks ago, and I will go, yes. 485 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,480 [Larry King] You will go? 486 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,240 [Dunbar] I mean, it was sort of like 487 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,760 seeing it all come true right before my eyes. 488 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,240 Out steps Donald Trump and I'm there to greet him. 489 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:57,960 I was nervous. 490 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,120 It's one thing to be out starting a Draft Trump movement, 491 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,240 it's another thing to actually produce Donald Trump. 492 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,200 [male reporter] No one was quite sure why the man 493 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,720 who likes to name skyscrapers after himself was here. 494 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,080 Except, that he was asked by this local conservative freelance writer, 495 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,200 the man who planted the original seed 496 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,800 for Trump to run for the nation's highest office. 497 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,960 [Dunbar] I had a lot riding on this. 498 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,800 I mean, if he said, "I'm running," you know, my life was going to change. 499 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,240 I'm not here today because I'm running for the presidency, I'm here because-- 500 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,800 I don't recall how I felt. 501 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,360 I'm sure I was disappointed. 502 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,000 [Trump] I'm not looking to run for president, I love what I'm doing. 503 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,760 And what I want, is I want strength and extreme competence 504 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,440 at the helm of this country. 505 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,520 Thank you. 506 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,080 [Dunbar] I have heard the suggestion that the whole trip to Portsmouth 507 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,440 was to promote The Art of the Deal. 508 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,320 If he was coming to Portsmouth to promote a book, he never told me. 509 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,880 "To Michael, 510 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,720 I really appreciate your friendship. 511 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,680 You have created a very exciting part of my life, 512 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,880 on to the future. 513 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,440 Donald." 514 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,240 [male announcer] Trump: The Game. 515 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,480 Because it's not whether you win or lose, it's whether you win. 516 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,720 -Good luck, everyone. -[indistinct chatter] 517 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,920 -I wish I was that rich. [giggles] -Yeah. 518 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,162 [female reporter] As Trump toured the toy factory today, women shrieked, 519 00:31:44,275 --> 00:31:47,515 and men begged the million-dollar businessman for his autograph. 520 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,840 Whoever said that money can't buy you love 521 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,840 clearly didn't know Donald Trump. 522 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,400 [crowd] Whoa! 523 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,960 -[boy] He's great. -[female reporter 2] Why? 524 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,560 'Cause I'd just like to be like him when I grow up. 525 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,800 [reporter] How come? 526 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,000 Because of all the money and fame and everything. 527 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,280 [reporter] I see you have his book, are you gonna read it? 528 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,200 Yeah, I already did. 529 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,280 [Trump] I do a book and it becomes the biggest best seller. 530 00:32:11,397 --> 00:32:14,520 I do a game and it becomes the biggest game in America today. 531 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,000 I do things and, for whatever reason, it seems to work. 532 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,280 [Johnston] Trump just keeps on spending. 533 00:32:24,207 --> 00:32:28,040 He-- He believes that he's Midas and everything he touches will turn to gold. 534 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,000 The partially constructed Taj Mahal. 535 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,040 It was this empty white elephant at the north end of the boardwalk. 536 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,120 It will be the largest privately financed building ever built. 537 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,160 It will be the largest private building, 538 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,440 and I think it's second only to the Pentagon in size. 539 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,040 [Johnston] Donald just had this "I've got to have this." 540 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,520 It was this incredible lust, because it was so big. 541 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,960 And he had this notion that, you know, big makes him more important. 542 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,840 [Trump] It'll be over a billion dollars, 543 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,120 and that is far and away the most expensive building ever built. 544 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,400 People will never have seen anything like this. 545 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,120 I mean, who's ever heard of a building that cost one billion dollars? 546 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,720 [Roffman] But he made one mistake. 547 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,480 A serious mistake. 548 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,480 Trump said, "The bankers are standing in line to lend me money... 549 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,320 at friendly rates." 550 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,800 Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way. 551 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,120 Bankers weren't standing in line. 552 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,320 And so, to finance the Taj, he had to go in to the bond markets 553 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,480 and borrow $675 million... 554 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,440 at an interest rate of 14%. That's unbelievable. 555 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,720 The break even for that property would be in excess of a million dollar a day win, 556 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,680 and no casino in the world had even come close to that. 557 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,000 [Barrett] Donald was on a manic buying spree, 558 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,000 completely unanchored. 559 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,000 His father was never reckless. 560 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,640 He was incredibly reckless. 561 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,560 [O'Donnell] The opening of the Taj was looming. 562 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:02,440 Donald looked at this as a way to take complete control of the city... 563 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:04,600 if done right. 564 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,000 There was just so much that had to be done. 565 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,800 [female reporter] Five men have been killed in a helicopter crash 566 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,680 in New Jersey. Three of the five were top executives 567 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,560 in Donald Trump's Atlantic City casino empire. 568 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:36,880 [O'Donnell] It's about the most vivid day of my life. 569 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,920 They were here one second and they were gone the next. 570 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,520 And that is a shocking thing. 571 00:35:45,212 --> 00:35:48,537 [female reporter 2] Pronounced dead were 43-year-old Steven Hyde... 572 00:35:54,862 --> 00:35:57,920 They left my office and they said we'll call you in an hour. 573 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,120 They were supposed to take my helicopter, 574 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,080 but they didn't want to wait for two hours because mine was coming back. 575 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,080 So they rented a helicopter from an outside company 576 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,160 that probably didn't know what they were doing. 577 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:17,320 [O'Donnell] I could sense that he was in a state of shock, disbelief. 578 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,920 The... The thing that winds up standing out to me, of course, 579 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,720 is, you know, he made the comment to me, 580 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,840 right then, um... that he almost got on that helicopter. 581 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,840 He said, "I could have been on that helicopter." 582 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,360 It was a charter, right? 583 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,400 I mean, if Donald Trump was going to come to Atlantic City, 584 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,320 he would get on his own helicopter. 585 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,800 And then, of course, he said it in the press. 586 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,040 Trump had planned to make the trip as well, 587 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,600 but he changed his mind at the last minute. 588 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,200 Donald Trump almost gets on the helicopter, you know, that crashed. 589 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,800 He could have been on there too and... and there was need for attention. 590 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,160 You were supposed to go on that plane, true? 591 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,640 I was going to go from the standpoint that they said, 592 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,320 "Do you want to come down with us?" 593 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,440 I said, "I think so, but maybe I'm just too busy." 594 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,040 I was that close, it would have been like a 50-50 deal. 595 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,800 It was interesting, shocking to some extent. 596 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,920 It was a new piece of information about Donald Trump's personality for me. 597 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,920 There was a real question for the first time: 598 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,200 how does this organization survive? 599 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,480 There was going to be a huge void at the Taj Mahal. 600 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,400 I saw that he was saddened, 601 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,640 particularly with Steve Hyde, that he was going to miss him. 602 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,040 But then he bounced back almost immediately into... 603 00:37:52,032 --> 00:37:54,240 you know, the business mode, the strong mode, 604 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,760 and, "Here's what we're going to do. We're gonna do this." 605 00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,920 And he'd make, you know, comments 606 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,200 to my wife even, you know... "I'm really counting on your husband now, 607 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,440 he's the guy that's got to do this." It's like, "Oh, please, not at a wake." 608 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,040 [bell ringing] 609 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,320 [indistinct shouting] 610 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,880 Help. Help! 611 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,760 Send money. 612 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,680 [male reporter] What was it like in there, sir? 613 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,320 [male anchor] Are we skidding into a recession in this country? 614 00:38:45,472 --> 00:38:48,560 Every day brings new word of layoffs, cut backs, bankruptcies. 615 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,600 [indistinct shouting] 616 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,200 [O'Donnell] There was panic in the air. 617 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,600 The calls from Donald were, "How much cash do you have in the bank right now?" 618 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,040 And I'd be like, "Jeez, you know, we've got... 619 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,840 you know, $3 million in the bank." 620 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,960 "Send me a million-and-a-half of it." 621 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,080 And that was just a new way of doing business. 622 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,960 And you go, "Well, we're in trouble." 623 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,240 The Taj Mahal is going to be a tremendous success. 624 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,200 Trump Plaza is right now the number one facility in Atlantic City. 625 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,840 Last year, Trump Plaza won $305 million, that was number one. 626 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,840 The Taj Mahal, which is essentially three times the size of Trump Plaza, 627 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,760 is going to do a lot bigger numbers. 628 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,120 [Roffman] I was getting very nervous about the state of the economy 629 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,520 when the Taj was going to open its doors. 630 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,720 When I input the numbers in my computer, 631 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,200 I kept on getting the same answer every time: 632 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,720 it isn't going to work. 633 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,760 There is no way that this casino could make a profit. 634 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,000 There's... They'll never be able to pay the debt. 635 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,680 I said some negative things in the Wall Street Journal 636 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,680 about the Taj Mahal. 637 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:13,120 Saying that I thought that it would open to record-breaking business, 638 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,320 but when the cold winds of October came, it wouldn't make it. 639 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,760 The chairman of the company I work for 640 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,600 was faxed a letter written by Donald Trump. 641 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:32,640 What he wanted was a public apology, or the firm to dismiss me immediately, 642 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,880 or he would institute a major lawsuit against the firm. 643 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,760 They escorted me to the door. 644 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,720 I'd been a security analyst for over 50 years. 645 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,480 When people say something false, I attack those people. 646 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,280 When people make mistakes, I correct them. 647 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,880 [Johnston] The point at which it became clear to me 648 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,120 that Donald Trump was in deep financial trouble 649 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:25,400 was word was around from contractors that they weren't getting paid. 650 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,120 Why weren't they being paid? 651 00:41:29,230 --> 00:41:31,392 He tells me one day he's worth three billion 652 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,400 and later in the day to somebody else, five, 653 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,520 which tells you how much he just makes it up. 654 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:38,920 And even though he says he has three billion or five billion, 655 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,560 he can't pay his bills. 656 00:41:40,735 --> 00:41:43,175 [female reporter] How much money is to be collected? 657 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,520 Uh... For us, 1.2 million. 658 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,200 -[reporter] And for all the contractors? -I don't know that figure. 659 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,440 It's in excess of 60 million, I do not know the exact figure. 660 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,000 Has any offer been made to them from the Trump Organization? 661 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,240 -Is there no comment? -[man] I have no comment. 662 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,560 [Johnston] It was very clear to me that he was borrowed up to his eyeballs. 663 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,760 [reporter] When does Trump plan to pay these people? 664 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,120 The news gets away with murder, the news media, 665 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,760 they get away with murder. 666 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,320 I don't stand for it when they write false and malicious stories. 667 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,760 [male reporter] We tried, yesterday, to talk to a number of different analysts 668 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,280 in the wake of the Marvin Roffman affair, some people are now calling it, 669 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,120 but the one's who said negative things and-- 670 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,600 -Here we are. -Well, you've got-- 671 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,480 -Back to the negative. -Back to the negative. 672 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,680 You know what? Do this interview with somebody else. 673 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,480 We talked about this yesterday on the phone. 674 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,600 -This is exactly what I'm talking about. -Do the interview with somebody else. 675 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,600 [male reporter] There's nothing that we didn't discuss on the phone, Donald. 676 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,120 [Taboo laughs] 677 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,800 Good evening, Master. 678 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,120 I, Taboo, am here at your service. 679 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,120 How well I remember how you wisely realize 680 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,680 that this was the opportunity you had long awaited. 681 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:17,000 Your opportunity to create an amazing universe 682 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:19,480 and share it with the world. 683 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,160 The universe of gold and jewels. 684 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,160 [laughs] We're going to be on television. 685 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:28,400 [Taboo] And so, Master... 686 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:35,040 your dream is our command. 687 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,840 Open sesame! 688 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,640 [crowd cheers] 689 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,000 [Trump] Thank you. Thank you. 690 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,240 [crowd talking indistinctly] 691 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:49,840 [woman] Donald Trump! 692 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:50,960 Hi, folks! 693 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,280 [Deno Marino] It was a monstrous operation. 694 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,320 "The biggest and the best," as Donald would say. 695 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,400 A hundred and twenty thousand square-foot casino. 696 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,080 More than 500 rooms. 697 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,280 Ten-thousand-dollar-a-night suites. 698 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,800 It was just beautiful. Everything was absolutely gorgeous. 699 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,720 His father came to see the casino. 700 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,520 He seemed like a very nice gentleman. He looks up at these beautiful chandeliers 701 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,720 and he said, "Donald, what does a light bill cost for a place like this a month?" 702 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,640 It was way out of his realm. 703 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:29,840 "Don't worry about it, Dad, it's taken care of." 704 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,920 We're open now and I'm really happy with what I'm seeing. 705 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,920 It's a great turnout, we're really happy. 706 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,400 Good luck, everybody, good luck. 707 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,680 [woman] Eighth wonder of the world! 708 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,480 Good luck. 709 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,560 -[indistinct chatter] -[laughing] 710 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,760 [woman] Whoo! 711 00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,240 All right, if you're like me, you want to know too, 712 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,120 is Donald Trump broke? 713 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,280 Uh, "Investors sue the Donald." 714 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,280 I mean this guy can't get up in the morning 715 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,480 without being surrounded by himself. 716 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,080 [Barrett] I mean, he was in dire, dire trouble. 717 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,040 The borrowings and the bonds could not be repaid. 718 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,200 He was about to default on the first casino payment. 719 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,320 [indistinct chatter] 720 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,440 [Barrett] So, in the midst of all of this financial crisis, 721 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,560 suddenly, this lawyer appears at his casino 722 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,040 and acquires three to four million dollars' worth of chips, 723 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,520 but makes no bets. 724 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,640 That's three to four million dollars' worth of additional revenue 725 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,640 which is exactly what the casino needs a day or two later. 726 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,560 Turns out that the lawyer is a stand in for Fred Trump. 727 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,920 At this moment of complete desperation for Donald, 728 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,080 Fred has to be there. 729 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,960 Fred propped him up. 730 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,920 I don't think he can admit it to himself, but... 731 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,600 Fred was indispensable in every way. 732 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,960 [male reporter] Is it true about... 733 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,200 [female reporter] The invincibility of the Trump name is now bombarded by gossip. 734 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,920 An avalanche of publicity 735 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,560 descended on the empire he worked so skillfully to build. 736 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,360 Overnight, it seems, America turned from a fascination with what Trump has, 737 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,840 to what he could lose. 738 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,840 [female reporter 2] Do you wish we'd all go away? 739 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,080 [Trump laughs] Absolutely. 63447

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