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[Rona Barrett] Tell me about
the early days of Donald Trump.
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-Well--
-I mean, were you born into wealth?
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I mean, was your father--
I know your father was successful,
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but when you came along,
was he already successful?
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Oh, yes. My father was very successful.
My father built homes and apartment houses
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in various sections and did very well.
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And I was brought-- brought up
in the construction business, so to speak,
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and I enjoyed it from day one.
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Donald was given a great gift,
and the gift was,
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"You love the land,
make the most out of it."
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But I really believed then,
as I believe today, that...
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like many young men who had
fathers who were very successful,
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the most important thing,
subconsciously or even consciously,
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is that they wanted to prove that they
could be bigger and better than Daddy.
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For too many years now,
we've placed trust in rules,
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regulations, and government.
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Well, I think it's about time
that we placed trust in ourselves.
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[launch control man]
Minus ten, nine, eight...
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[Ronald Reagan] I know that we can't make
things right overnight,
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but we will make America great again.
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[launch control man] ...four. We've gone
for main engine start.
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Lift-off. Three...
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[crowd applauds]
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[David Cay Johnston]
Ronald Reagan's election in 1980
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was the biggest change
in America since FDR in 1932.
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[indistinct chatter]
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Reagan basically said,
"Let's just open up the floodgates
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and let business be business."
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[clamoring]
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[Johnston] Suddenly, it was much easier
to borrow money.
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They were much more willing to take risks.
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Look at the arc of Donald Trump's career.
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He comes to New York,
then he builds Trump Tower,
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and he's getting all of these articles
and TV shows done about him
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as the modern Midas,
everything he touches turns to gold.
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What do you do for an encore?
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What do you do for a second act?
What do you do next?
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[telephone ringing]
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[Marvin Roffman]
One day, I receive a telephone call.
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At the time, I was working
for a member firm
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of the New York stock exchange
following the gaming industry.
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And the man identified himself
as Donald Trump...
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Donald Trump.
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-...who I never heard of.
-[inaudible dialogue]
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[laughs] I didn't know who it was...
And-- And he said that,
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"Marvin, I've been reading your reports
and I like what I'm reading,
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and I wanted to introduce myself to you,
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because I'm going to make
a very strong presence in Atlantic City,
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and I intend to be a major factor
in the gaming industry."
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And that ended the conversation.
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You take care, so long.
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[Roffman]
I found him to be a very pleasant chap.
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I had absolutely
no problem with him at all.
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At that time. [chuckles]
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[indistinct chatter]
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[clinking, rattling]
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[man] Sixty-five of 'em!
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Seven, ladies and gentlemen.
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Once!
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Do it again. Do it again. Do it again.
Ace!
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Bust. Ah!
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Fantastic. [chuckles] Fantastic.
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[laughs]
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[clinking, rattling]
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The stocks were exploding.
It was like the dot-com craze.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[Wayne Barrett]
Fred Trump was never reckless.
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Fred Trump...
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built 20,000 units
of real housing for real people.
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Whereas Donald's projects were
much more about,
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"How do I put the stamp of wealth...
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on everything I build?"
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So, they were
kind of diametrically opposed.
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Fred told him, "Don't go to Atlantic City.
Don't get involved in casinos."
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[male reporter] Gross revenues
from 1980 total $623 million.
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-Okay, now is the time, folks, go ahead.
-[man] All right?
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[woman] Yay!
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-Beautiful!
-[woman cheers]
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[female reporter] Trump's Castle opened
its doors to the public today.
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[Roffman] What he was doing was
the early stages of building his brand.
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That's the key, building the Trump brand.
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[indistinct chatter]
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That's me!
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Well, I'm very honored.
It was a unanimous vote, I'm very happy.
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[Johnston] I went to Atlantic City
to examine the casino business,
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and as soon as I arrived,
I meet Donald Trump.
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Competitors in the casino business,
some big gamblers that I met,
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they all said the same thing.
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"Donald doesn't know anything
about the casino business."
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I was skeptical, so when I went to
interview him in depth for the first time,
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which was a couple of weeks
after we met...
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I deliberately asked Donald four questions
that had falsehoods in them.
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-[inaudible dialogue]
-[Johnston] In the back of my notebook,
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I'd written down false statements
about the casino business.
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[Johnston] I thought he would have
corrected me about the facts...
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but Trump takes my falsehoods
and incorporates them into his answer.
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That's what con artists do.
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It's going to be tremendously successful.
It's going to be great for Atlantic City.
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Great for everybody.
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Good luck, everybody.
Thank you for being here.
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[Johnston] How much are you
gonna win the first year, Donald?
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[Jack O'Donnell] Donald Trump owns
two casinos at that point.
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Steve Hyde, my boss, is...
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the chief operating officer
of Trump Plaza.
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[reporter] Can you give us
your full name and title again?
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Steven Hyde, Steven Frank Hyde
if you want the full name.
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Steven Hyde, President, Trump Plaza.
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And Ivana Trump is
chief operating officer of Trump Castle.
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[indistinct chatter]
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We'll be number one.
The right manager, we're number one.
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Nobody competes with it.
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[O'Donnell] Donald puts a great deal
of faith in family.
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There's a trust factor
that he puts in family
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that he puts above almost everybody else.
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[Ivana Trump] They were looking
so much forward that I would fall down,
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and I just said, "It's no way
I'm going to give them the satisfaction."
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You have to be strong,
because people cannot just run over you.
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If you have to make a decision,
you just make it.
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[Nikki Haskell] Well,
Ivana was a worker, she was a doer.
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She worked from the time
she was a little girl.
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-She always had very heavy work ethics.
-[reporters clamoring]
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I mean, I remember with her
when we were down in Atlantic City,
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we went through every single room.
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It was like 500 rooms.
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She would say, "The bannister's
coming off of this,
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the drapes are too long,
the bed is too short,"
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and anything that didn't move, walk,
or talk, she painted gold.
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[male interviewer]
When is your flight, Mrs. Trump?
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-Excuse me?
-When will your helicopter take off?
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Uh... It's supposed to be 11,
but it's our helicopter,
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-I can leave any time, you know.
-Okay.
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I have something
I have to get for some lunch and...
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'Course. And you don't mind us
following you to the airport just to--
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No, I don't.
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[O'Donnell] She was a tough personality.
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You know, if I can say this,
it sounds mean,
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but there's nothing warm
and fuzzy about Ivana.
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[journalist] What's your typical day
like when you're here?
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I usually come
first thing in the morning,
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I sign those checks.
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There is no check which is coming out
of this building which is unsigned.
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I have all the contracts
and all the requisition orders,
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and, uh, then I have a meeting
one after the other one.
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Every department comes in,
casino department,
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marketings, uh, hotel operation people,
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they come in here
and we do the strategies,
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we're doing what is right
and what is wrong,
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looking over the numbers.
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[clinking, rattling]
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[male reporter]
The first month they were open,
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the casino broke the all-time
first month Atlantic City record
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with a profit of $21 million.
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This, Trump says, is where the gravy is,
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and this is only one of two casinos
he has in Atlantic City.
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The other, Trump Plaza, opened a year ago.
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[O'Donnell] It was no secret that
she didn't get along with Steve Hyde.
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The Plaza had established ourselves
as going after the high-end business
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and that was an image that Ivana wanted.
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And she was very aggressive
in those areas,
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to try to take business, you know,
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not only from Caesars
or any of the other competitors,
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but to also take it from us.
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You know, if we thought somebody
was only worthy of, you know, a limo ride,
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as an example,
she might give them a helicopter.
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To win their favor.
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[Donald Trump] Atlantic City is right now
at a really great turning point,
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and it's gonna go one way or the other.
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And I'm gonna damn well
make sure it goes the other.
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We wanna make it a fabulous place.
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[O'Donnell]
Donald was clearly amused by the rivalry.
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I think it's part of his management style,
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is that people fighting
with one another...
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[laughing]
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[O'Donnell] ...is a good thing.
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No photos so far, guys.
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He had two properties that were on
the verge of warfare between each other,
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and they were owned by the same guy.
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[interviewer] Last question. If you could
describe your husband in one word...
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I wouldn't brag. I think Donald, for...
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in a certain way,
is a genius in his field.
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[interviewer] Okay, that's great.
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Thank you very much
for your time, we appreciate it.
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[Ronald Reagan] To young Americans
wondering tonight,
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"What will I do with my future?"
I have a suggestion.
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Follow in the footsteps
of those two college students
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who launched one
of America's great computer firms
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from the garage behind their house.
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[female interviewer] What are
your annual revenues at Microsoft?
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We're expecting to do
just over 100 million this year.
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You too can become leaders
in this great new era of progress,
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the age of the entrepreneur.
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-Well, Mr. Mayor, how do you like it?
-This is beautiful. Beautiful.
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Matter of fact,
I've never seen anything like it.
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-It's really...
-Not something like it.
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It's really something special.
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[Johnston]
Donald Trump has this cash machine
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in the casinos of Atlantic City.
They're just throwing money at him.
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Rivers of cash are flowing
to Donald Trump in ways even beyond,
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I suspect, his imagination.
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And after a few years of this,
he goes on this buying spree.
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[female interviewer]
This is really spectacular.
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Did the Trumps buy it as is?
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[man] They re-did the entire interior.
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[interviewer] Now, what kind of china
and silverware do they use?
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-It's, uh, 24-carat.
-Twenty-four carat gold?
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Yes, 24-carat gold.
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-All the utensils?
-Is there any other kind?
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[Tony Schwartz] It was the go-go era.
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Donald Trump very self-consciously
wanted to be an exemplar,
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an avatar of that era.
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This is the great entrance hall
to Mar-a-Lago.
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[Schwartz] Trump was an irresistible story
for almost any reporter.
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There was a seductiveness about it,
even as I cringed.
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When you sit in here
with people all around this table
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and you eat off of this gold in this room,
what do you think?
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I say, "What am I doing here?
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-How did this happen?"
-[laughs]
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Oh, Donald, oh, Donald,
how you can deal.
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Oh, Donald, oh, Donald,
you are a big deal.
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Look at this.
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I mean, would you want your daughter
to bring this guy home?
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-He's worth 800 million bucks.
-I remember that.
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That's my article.
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[audience applauds]
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The deal I struck with him
was to be his ghostwriter.
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Trump: The Art of the Deal
is the title of this book.
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Random House is pleased that
I'm calling it to your attention.
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[Schwartz] "The Art of the Deal."
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It came to me in a moment. I've never
come up with a title nearly as good.
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That notion that you could write a book
about a series of deals that he made
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in an era that celebrated deal making,
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just made sense to me
as a saleable product.
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During the writing of the book,
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I spent hundreds of hours
with Donald Trump.
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Are you gonna sign books in the stores,
do all that stuff?
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Every once in a while, I might have to.
Whatever it take to make it
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nice and successful,
'cause I like having successes.
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I like success much better
than failure, somehow. I don't know.
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-[show host] Uh... [chuckles]
-[audience applauds]
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[Schwartz]
He has a very primitive worldview,
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a very binary worldview,
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that I believe was born from
the relationship with his father.
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His father was extremely tough, uh,
to the point of even being cruel at times.
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Donald perceived that to survive,
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he needed to be as tough
or tougher than his father.
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"If people screw me, I screw 'em...
I screw back in spades."
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[audience laughs, applauds]
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I mean, is there
something wrong with that?
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-Tell me. What?
-[show host] I'm--
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Is there something wrong with that?
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[Schwartz]
So, this binary worldview that he had
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was: there are predators
and there are victims.
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That's it. Black and white.
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So, if you're not the predator,
you're the victim.
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What did I discover about his values?
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He was value-free. He was value-free.
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I thought he was a sociopath.
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He has no conscience.
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Doesn't make a distinction
between right and wrong.
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[crowd clamors]
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Historically, big boxing matches
took place at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas.
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[crowd cheers]
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[O'Donnell] Nobody had ever
really challenged Las Vegas
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until we did it at Trump Plaza.
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Donald had the pockets to do this,
the deep pockets to do this,
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and nobody else had that.
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[cheering escalates]
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[announcer] Here he comes...
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Our host, Mr. Donald J. Trump!
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[crowd cheers, applauds]
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[man] He's very smart in that ring,
as he is out of the ring.
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I can't see anybody beating him.
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I'm throwing down. I've got
a million dollars right here today.
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I got the megabucks!
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[O'Donnell] Yes, we did 'em
to make money in the casino, but...
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we also did it because Donald wanted
to be the center of the universe
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and boxing made that.
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-Fellas...
-[photographer] Jack!
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[O'Donnell] Celebrities from
all over the world coming in...
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The A-list from Hollywood,
they all wanted to attend these fights.
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[O'Donnell] He loved to rub elbows
with, uh, celebrities,
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and talk about celebrities
as if they're all his best friends.
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Look who we have here.
This is the big man.
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Good to see you,
it looks like an exciting evening.
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It is going to be a biggie.
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Donald was building a corporate empire.
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Fred just saw this as a giant achievement.
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Oh, predictions?
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[female reporter] Who's gonna win it?
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I'll reserve judgment on that, okay?
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[Barrett] He's an entrepreneur.
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His son's doing
what he had dreamed about doing.
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Right? I mean, his son was a giant king.
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[photographers clamoring]
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Hey, John.
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[laughing]
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-Ivana Trump.
-[laughs] I trust you.
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-Yeah, here she is, the First Lady.
-Yeah. Here-- Here she comes.
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-You're gorgeous. Vivacious.
-Miss America, right?
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-Oh, yes.
-Excited?
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Behind the scenes, I don't know what
Ivana did know or didn't know.
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-[man] It's good to see you.
-Good to see you.
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[O'Donnell] But I had heard, you know,
rumors, stories,
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that Donald liked to go out at nighttime
and he was on the prowl.
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It's a great evening.
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And then of course, I mean, it became
clear that maybe the stories were true
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when Marla arrived on the scene.
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-[man] Basically, that's all she's doing.
-[Marla laughs]
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[O'Donnell] Marla Maples was this kind of
southern girl from a small town,
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charming, beautiful.
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[indistinct background chatter]
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[O'Donnell] Had a... kind of
an amateur background in modeling.
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Do you wanna go to the restroom
with me too? [laughs]
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[cameraman] No, no, no,
I don't do that kind of...
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[O'Donnell] We desperately tried
to manage it at Trump Plaza,
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'cause that's where she's staying.
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-That's right!
-[cameraman] Yeah.
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-See you then. I'm sorry. I will be back.
-[cameraman] Bye.
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She was there all the time.
And so, you know, everybody knew.
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But the Tyson-Holmes fight
was the first time that we had Marla
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and Ivana in the same room for an event.
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[bell dings]
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[announcer] And now, ladies and gentlemen,
let's get ready to rumble!
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Twelve rounds!
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[cheering]
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[announcer] We go round one.
The heavyweight championship of the world.
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Tyson quickly on top of Holmes
and he nails him right away.
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[O'Donnell] It was a big arena, but...
you know, both had pretty good seats.
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And you could turn one way and see one
and turn the other way and see the other.
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[crowd cheers]
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[announcer]
Back with the right hand, the left hand!
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He's gotta hang on
or they'll stop the fight.
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Down he goes!
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It's all over! He is knocked out!
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[O'Donnell] Donald Trump wasn't
the first guy
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to bring his girlfriend to a casino,
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but really the high-profile nature of it
is what-- is what surprised me so much.
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[Johnston] By the late 1980s,
Donald Trump's marriage
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with Ivana is falling apart,
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and he has this mistress.
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How's he going to keep this separate?
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He comes up with a brilliant strategy.
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[Trump] She's got an ability to manage,
and manage with style,
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and I thought the greatest toy
that I could give Ivana
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would be to put her at the Plaza Hotel.
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-Why did you buy the Plaza?
-Why did I buy it?
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Because it would have driven me crazy
if anyone else owned it.
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-Why?
-'Cause I'm looking at it every day.
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How would I feel
if somebody else owned it?
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Wouldn't that be a horrible?
You come to your office,
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looking at the most beautiful building
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that I've ever seen, the Plaza Hotel,
and somebody else owns it
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I'd feel guilty, so I had to buy it.
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But I look out on buildings all the time
and I don't wanna own them.
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[Trump] Well, it's a different mindset.
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When I buy the Plaza Hotel,
to me, that's exciting,
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because it's a trophy,
it's a total trophy.
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Part of the reason it's exciting
is because they're mega deals,
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they're important deals,
they're glamorous deals.
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Everybody talks about them,
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everybody reads about them,
and writes about them.
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There's a level of importance there
that I think also somewhat turns me on.
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[Barbara Res] He bought it
for a ridiculous amount of money.
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I don't think he even negotiated
the price of it.
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He had changed.
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He was not as conversational, um,
as personable, um...
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as friendly as he had been.
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And he was also very full of himself.
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He was definitely
not to be challenged, and...
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you know, it was very hard for me
because I was used to challenging him.
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[crowd applauds]
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[inaudible dialogue]
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The story goes that he was
bringing Marla down to Atlantic City,
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so he had to bring Ivana back up,
and I don't know what--
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-I don't know the truth of that or not.
-[Ivana exclaiming]
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[applause, clamoring]
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[crowd cheers]
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[woman] Hi, guys!
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[man] All right, thank you.
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-[female reporter] Ivana, how do you feel?
-I feel-- I feel great. I feel great.
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-Are you going to miss this place?
-Uh... I'm not going anywhere.
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I'm here to stay.
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And I'm just going to release...
And Donald needs me in the Plaza,
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and I wanna bring it to... six-star hotel.
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It's only five-stars hotel in the world.
I wanna bring it to the six-star.
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And I'm nearly there and I need
a bit more with the family around.
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And I'm really being honored,
and it's great.
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[reporter] How do you feel about all these
people here to say goodbye to you?
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I think it's fantastic,
I think it's a great honor to me,
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and to the whole Trump Organization.
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-Thank you.
-[whistling]
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-Have a good time.
-[reporter] How you doing, Donald?
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-Fine, how are you?
-Nice to see you again.
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[Chung] You're... You're 43,
you have a wife and three children,
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a lot of buildings, a lot of debt.
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Have you gone through
your mid-life crisis yet?
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I think I've gone
through my mid-life crisis, uh...
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You have? You've gone through the--
I mean, a mid-life crisis is very--
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I'm saying is I don't think
it's been a traumatic period for me.
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I mean, maybe I haven't been there yet,
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'cause I'm not sure that I'm really
at mid-life yet. I hope I'm not.
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So maybe I haven't been there yet.
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I'll make you a deal. If I do go through
a mid-life crisis, I'll call you.
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I'll let you know, it'll be very exciting.
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[indistinct chatter]
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-And you are trying to reproduce--
-I'm trying to re...
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-...the curve.
-Right.
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[Res] Ivana could be mean,
and she could be demanding,
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and she wouldn't listen,
but she worked like a dog.
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-She was so totally dedicated to Donald...
-[inaudible dialogue]
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...and that loyalty...
You could not not respect the woman.
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Wanna keep the costs
down to a very low point.
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I watch Donald. Donald, it's incredible.
He's incredible in the business.
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He's fantastic at dealing with the people,
how he negotiates.
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I really learned a lot from him.
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The big difference was
she now considered herself his equal.
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[photographer]
Look this way, please.
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Thank you.
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[camera shutters clicking]
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[Res] They had a party for her,
and he was just a fixture at it,
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he was just another person.
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And he was seething, and I could tell
that he was angry about it.
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[inaudible dialogue]
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Thank you.
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[inaudible dialogue]
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He couldn't stand the fact that people
at the Plaza deferred to her.
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Trump was very, very angry at Ivana.
He disliked her.
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She had done all the furniture
in the apartments,
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and I was taking him on a walk through...
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and when he saw the furniture,
he got irate.
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He opened the door to an armoire
and he pulled it off, and I thought,
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"Oh, my God, this is... This is bad."
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He went berserk.
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He was horrible to her. Horrible.
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Where they had been
so respectful of each other,
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and what I thought,
genuinely loving of each other,
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he now was just mean to her,
and a monster.
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Do you have everything?
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Uh... In financial aspect, yes.
If I have everything, um, I don't know.
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I have a good husband
and I have a beautiful family.
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I have a good job. You know, it's very--
all very fragile.
447
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It might be here today,
might not be here tomorrow,
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so you might as well enjoy it
when it is there.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[Reagan]
It's been quite a journey this decade,
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and we held together
through some stormy seas.
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And at the end, together,
we're reaching our destination.
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[Mike Dunbar] I was a staunch Reaganite.
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I-- I was very committed to Reagan.
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-[woman] President Reagan!
-[woman 2] President Reagan!
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[gunshots firing]
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-[clamoring]
- [screaming]
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[indistinct shouting]
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Get him out! Get him out! Get him out!
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-[agent 2] Get back!
-[agent 1] Get him out!
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-[agent 2] Go!
-[agent 1] Get him out of here!
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I will tell you that when he was shot
by John Hinckley, I cried.
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It was... It was actually--
And it's... It's drawing
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those emotions up in me again.
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Reagan extolled the entrepreneur,
people who ran businesses,
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people who built things.
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The Reagan administration
is coming to an end.
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00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,480
To see the presidency revert back
to a typical establishment politician,
469
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,560
somebody like a George Bush,
would have really distressed me.
470
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,480
Donald Trump came up on my radar screen
and I decided this is the guy.
471
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,760
This is the stationary
that I came up with.
472
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,160
"The Committee
to Draft Donald Trump for President."
473
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,120
"Coordinator Mike Dunbar stated
474
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,160
that the Draft Trump Committee
has two objectives,
475
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,080
convince Donald Trump to declare
his candidacy for president,
476
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,720
and to put in place an organization
that will enable him
477
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,080
to win New Hampshire's
first in the nation primary."
478
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,320
Uh... You know, it was a one-man show,
this was Mike Dunbar.
479
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,760
Um... I-- I always spoke
in the first-person plural, "we,"
480
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,720
so that it sounded like
there was a group. It was-- It was me.
481
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,400
Is it true that you're going to go
to New Hampshire in October
482
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,440
at the invitation of Mike Dunbar, who is
heading a group called Draft Donald Trump?
483
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,480
I am going, I made the commitment to go.
484
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,400
I made the commitment about
three weeks ago, and I will go, yes.
485
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,480
[Larry King] You will go?
486
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,240
[Dunbar] I mean, it was sort of like
487
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,760
seeing it all come true right
before my eyes.
488
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,240
Out steps Donald Trump
and I'm there to greet him.
489
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:57,960
I was nervous.
490
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,120
It's one thing to be out
starting a Draft Trump movement,
491
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,240
it's another thing
to actually produce Donald Trump.
492
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,200
[male reporter] No one was quite sure
why the man
493
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,720
who likes to name skyscrapers
after himself was here.
494
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,080
Except, that he was asked by this
local conservative freelance writer,
495
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,200
the man who planted the original seed
496
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,800
for Trump to run for
the nation's highest office.
497
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,960
[Dunbar] I had a lot riding on this.
498
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,800
I mean, if he said, "I'm running,"
you know, my life was going to change.
499
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,240
I'm not here today because I'm running
for the presidency, I'm here because--
500
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,800
I don't recall how I felt.
501
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,360
I'm sure I was disappointed.
502
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,000
[Trump] I'm not looking to run
for president, I love what I'm doing.
503
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,760
And what I want,
is I want strength and extreme competence
504
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,440
at the helm of this country.
505
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,520
Thank you.
506
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,080
[Dunbar] I have heard the suggestion
that the whole trip to Portsmouth
507
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,440
was to promote The Art of the Deal.
508
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,320
If he was coming to Portsmouth
to promote a book, he never told me.
509
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,880
"To Michael,
510
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,720
I really appreciate your friendship.
511
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,680
You have created
a very exciting part of my life,
512
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,880
on to the future.
513
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,440
Donald."
514
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,240
[male announcer] Trump: The Game.
515
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,480
Because it's not whether you win or lose,
it's whether you win.
516
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,720
-Good luck, everyone.
-[indistinct chatter]
517
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,920
-I wish I was that rich. [giggles]
-Yeah.
518
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,162
[female reporter] As Trump toured
the toy factory today, women shrieked,
519
00:31:44,275 --> 00:31:47,515
and men begged the million-dollar
businessman for his autograph.
520
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,840
Whoever said
that money can't buy you love
521
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,840
clearly didn't know Donald Trump.
522
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,400
[crowd] Whoa!
523
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,960
-[boy] He's great.
-[female reporter 2] Why?
524
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,560
'Cause I'd just like to be like him
when I grow up.
525
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,800
[reporter] How come?
526
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,000
Because of all the money
and fame and everything.
527
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,280
[reporter] I see you have his book,
are you gonna read it?
528
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,200
Yeah, I already did.
529
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,280
[Trump] I do a book and it becomes
the biggest best seller.
530
00:32:11,397 --> 00:32:14,520
I do a game and it becomes
the biggest game in America today.
531
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,000
I do things and, for whatever reason,
it seems to work.
532
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,280
[Johnston] Trump just keeps on spending.
533
00:32:24,207 --> 00:32:28,040
He-- He believes that he's Midas and
everything he touches will turn to gold.
534
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,000
The partially constructed Taj Mahal.
535
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,040
It was this empty white elephant
at the north end of the boardwalk.
536
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,120
It will be the largest
privately financed building ever built.
537
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,160
It will be the largest private building,
538
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,440
and I think it's second only
to the Pentagon in size.
539
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,040
[Johnston] Donald just had this
"I've got to have this."
540
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,520
It was this incredible lust,
because it was so big.
541
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,960
And he had this notion that, you know,
big makes him more important.
542
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,840
[Trump] It'll be over a billion dollars,
543
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,120
and that is far and away
the most expensive building ever built.
544
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,400
People will never have seen
anything like this.
545
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,120
I mean, who's ever heard of
a building that cost one billion dollars?
546
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,720
[Roffman] But he made one mistake.
547
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,480
A serious mistake.
548
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,480
Trump said, "The bankers
are standing in line to lend me money...
549
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,320
at friendly rates."
550
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,800
Unfortunately,
it didn't work out that way.
551
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,120
Bankers weren't standing in line.
552
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,320
And so, to finance the Taj,
he had to go in to the bond markets
553
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,480
and borrow $675 million...
554
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,440
at an interest rate of 14%.
That's unbelievable.
555
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,720
The break even for that property would be
in excess of a million dollar a day win,
556
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,680
and no casino in the world
had even come close to that.
557
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,000
[Barrett] Donald was on
a manic buying spree,
558
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,000
completely unanchored.
559
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,000
His father was never reckless.
560
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,640
He was incredibly reckless.
561
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,560
[O'Donnell] The opening
of the Taj was looming.
562
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:02,440
Donald looked at this as a way
to take complete control of the city...
563
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:04,600
if done right.
564
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,000
There was just so much
that had to be done.
565
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,800
[female reporter] Five men have been
killed in a helicopter crash
566
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,680
in New Jersey.
Three of the five were top executives
567
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,560
in Donald Trump's
Atlantic City casino empire.
568
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:36,880
[O'Donnell] It's about the most vivid day
of my life.
569
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,920
They were here one second
and they were gone the next.
570
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,520
And that is a shocking thing.
571
00:35:45,212 --> 00:35:48,537
[female reporter 2] Pronounced dead
were 43-year-old Steven Hyde...
572
00:35:54,862 --> 00:35:57,920
They left my office
and they said we'll call you in an hour.
573
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,120
They were supposed to take my helicopter,
574
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,080
but they didn't want to wait for two hours
because mine was coming back.
575
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,080
So they rented a helicopter
from an outside company
576
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,160
that probably didn't know
what they were doing.
577
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:17,320
[O'Donnell] I could sense that he was in
a state of shock, disbelief.
578
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,920
The... The thing that winds up
standing out to me, of course,
579
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,720
is, you know, he made the comment to me,
580
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,840
right then, um... that he almost
got on that helicopter.
581
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,840
He said, "I could have
been on that helicopter."
582
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,360
It was a charter, right?
583
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,400
I mean, if Donald Trump was
going to come to Atlantic City,
584
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,320
he would get on his own helicopter.
585
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,800
And then, of course,
he said it in the press.
586
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,040
Trump had planned
to make the trip as well,
587
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,600
but he changed his mind
at the last minute.
588
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,200
Donald Trump almost gets on
the helicopter, you know, that crashed.
589
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,800
He could have been on there too and...
and there was need for attention.
590
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,160
You were supposed
to go on that plane, true?
591
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,640
I was going to go from the standpoint
that they said,
592
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,320
"Do you want to come down with us?"
593
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,440
I said, "I think so,
but maybe I'm just too busy."
594
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,040
I was that close,
it would have been like a 50-50 deal.
595
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,800
It was interesting,
shocking to some extent.
596
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,920
It was a new piece of information
about Donald Trump's personality for me.
597
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,920
There was a real question
for the first time:
598
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,200
how does this organization survive?
599
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,480
There was going to be
a huge void at the Taj Mahal.
600
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,400
I saw that he was saddened,
601
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,640
particularly with Steve Hyde,
that he was going to miss him.
602
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,040
But then he bounced back
almost immediately into...
603
00:37:52,032 --> 00:37:54,240
you know, the business mode,
the strong mode,
604
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,760
and, "Here's what we're going to do.
We're gonna do this."
605
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,920
And he'd make, you know, comments
606
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,200
to my wife even, you know...
"I'm really counting on your husband now,
607
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,440
he's the guy that's got to do this."
It's like, "Oh, please, not at a wake."
608
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,040
[bell ringing]
609
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,320
[indistinct shouting]
610
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,880
Help. Help!
611
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,760
Send money.
612
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,680
[male reporter] What was it like
in there, sir?
613
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,320
[male anchor] Are we skidding
into a recession in this country?
614
00:38:45,472 --> 00:38:48,560
Every day brings new word
of layoffs, cut backs, bankruptcies.
615
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,600
[indistinct shouting]
616
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,200
[O'Donnell] There was panic in the air.
617
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,600
The calls from Donald were, "How much
cash do you have in the bank right now?"
618
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,040
And I'd be like,
"Jeez, you know, we've got...
619
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,840
you know, $3 million in the bank."
620
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,960
"Send me a million-and-a-half of it."
621
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,080
And that was just
a new way of doing business.
622
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,960
And you go, "Well, we're in trouble."
623
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,240
The Taj Mahal is going to be
a tremendous success.
624
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,200
Trump Plaza is right now
the number one facility in Atlantic City.
625
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,840
Last year, Trump Plaza won $305 million,
that was number one.
626
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,840
The Taj Mahal, which is essentially
three times the size of Trump Plaza,
627
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,760
is going to do a lot bigger numbers.
628
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,120
[Roffman] I was getting very nervous about
the state of the economy
629
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,520
when the Taj
was going to open its doors.
630
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,720
When I input the numbers in my computer,
631
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,200
I kept on getting
the same answer every time:
632
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,720
it isn't going to work.
633
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,760
There is no way that this casino
could make a profit.
634
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,000
There's...
They'll never be able to pay the debt.
635
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,680
I said some negative things
in the Wall Street Journal
636
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,680
about the Taj Mahal.
637
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:13,120
Saying that I thought that it would open
to record-breaking business,
638
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,320
but when the cold winds of October came,
it wouldn't make it.
639
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,760
The chairman of the company I work for
640
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,600
was faxed a letter
written by Donald Trump.
641
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:32,640
What he wanted was a public apology,
or the firm to dismiss me immediately,
642
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,880
or he would institute
a major lawsuit against the firm.
643
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,760
They escorted me to the door.
644
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,720
I'd been a security analyst
for over 50 years.
645
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,480
When people say something false,
I attack those people.
646
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,280
When people make mistakes, I correct them.
647
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,880
[Johnston] The point at which
it became clear to me
648
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,120
that Donald Trump was
in deep financial trouble
649
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:25,400
was word was around from contractors
that they weren't getting paid.
650
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,120
Why weren't they being paid?
651
00:41:29,230 --> 00:41:31,392
He tells me one day
he's worth three billion
652
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,400
and later in the day
to somebody else, five,
653
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,520
which tells you how much
he just makes it up.
654
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:38,920
And even though he says
he has three billion or five billion,
655
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,560
he can't pay his bills.
656
00:41:40,735 --> 00:41:43,175
[female reporter] How much money
is to be collected?
657
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,520
Uh... For us, 1.2 million.
658
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,200
-[reporter] And for all the contractors?
-I don't know that figure.
659
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,440
It's in excess of 60 million,
I do not know the exact figure.
660
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,000
Has any offer been made to them
from the Trump Organization?
661
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,240
-Is there no comment?
-[man] I have no comment.
662
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,560
[Johnston] It was very clear to me
that he was borrowed up to his eyeballs.
663
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,760
[reporter] When does Trump plan
to pay these people?
664
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,120
The news gets away with murder,
the news media,
665
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,760
they get away with murder.
666
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,320
I don't stand for it when they write
false and malicious stories.
667
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,760
[male reporter] We tried, yesterday,
to talk to a number of different analysts
668
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,280
in the wake of the Marvin Roffman affair,
some people are now calling it,
669
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,120
but the one's
who said negative things and--
670
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,600
-Here we are.
-Well, you've got--
671
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,480
-Back to the negative.
-Back to the negative.
672
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,680
You know what?
Do this interview with somebody else.
673
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,480
We talked about this yesterday
on the phone.
674
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,600
-This is exactly what I'm talking about.
-Do the interview with somebody else.
675
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,600
[male reporter] There's nothing that
we didn't discuss on the phone, Donald.
676
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,120
[Taboo laughs]
677
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,800
Good evening, Master.
678
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,120
I, Taboo, am here at your service.
679
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,120
How well I remember how you wisely realize
680
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,680
that this was the opportunity
you had long awaited.
681
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:17,000
Your opportunity to create
an amazing universe
682
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:19,480
and share it with the world.
683
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,160
The universe of gold and jewels.
684
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,160
[laughs] We're going to be on television.
685
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:28,400
[Taboo] And so, Master...
686
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:35,040
your dream is our command.
687
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,840
Open sesame!
688
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,640
[crowd cheers]
689
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,000
[Trump] Thank you. Thank you.
690
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,240
[crowd talking indistinctly]
691
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:49,840
[woman] Donald Trump!
692
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:50,960
Hi, folks!
693
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,280
[Deno Marino]
It was a monstrous operation.
694
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,320
"The biggest and the best,"
as Donald would say.
695
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,400
A hundred and twenty thousand
square-foot casino.
696
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,080
More than 500 rooms.
697
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,280
Ten-thousand-dollar-a-night suites.
698
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,800
It was just beautiful.
Everything was absolutely gorgeous.
699
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,720
His father came to see the casino.
700
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,520
He seemed like a very nice gentleman.
He looks up at these beautiful chandeliers
701
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,720
and he said, "Donald, what does a light
bill cost for a place like this a month?"
702
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,640
It was way out of his realm.
703
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:29,840
"Don't worry about it, Dad,
it's taken care of."
704
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,920
We're open now and I'm really happy
with what I'm seeing.
705
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,920
It's a great turnout, we're really happy.
706
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,400
Good luck, everybody, good luck.
707
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,680
[woman] Eighth wonder of the world!
708
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,480
Good luck.
709
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,560
-[indistinct chatter]
-[laughing]
710
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,760
[woman] Whoo!
711
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,240
All right, if you're like me,
you want to know too,
712
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,120
is Donald Trump broke?
713
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,280
Uh, "Investors sue the Donald."
714
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,280
I mean this guy can't get up
in the morning
715
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,480
without being surrounded by himself.
716
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,080
[Barrett] I mean, he was in dire,
dire trouble.
717
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,040
The borrowings and the bonds
could not be repaid.
718
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,200
He was about to default
on the first casino payment.
719
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,320
[indistinct chatter]
720
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,440
[Barrett] So, in the midst of
all of this financial crisis,
721
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,560
suddenly, this lawyer
appears at his casino
722
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,040
and acquires three to four million
dollars' worth of chips,
723
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,520
but makes no bets.
724
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,640
That's three to four million dollars'
worth of additional revenue
725
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,640
which is exactly what the casino needs
a day or two later.
726
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,560
Turns out that the lawyer
is a stand in for Fred Trump.
727
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,920
At this moment
of complete desperation for Donald,
728
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,080
Fred has to be there.
729
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,960
Fred propped him up.
730
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,920
I don't think he can admit it
to himself, but...
731
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,600
Fred was indispensable in every way.
732
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,960
[male reporter] Is it true about...
733
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,200
[female reporter] The invincibility of
the Trump name is now bombarded by gossip.
734
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,920
An avalanche of publicity
735
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,560
descended on the empire
he worked so skillfully to build.
736
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,360
Overnight, it seems, America turned
from a fascination with what Trump has,
737
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,840
to what he could lose.
738
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,840
[female reporter 2]
Do you wish we'd all go away?
739
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,080
[Trump laughs] Absolutely.
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