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In the criminal
justice system,
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sexually based offenses are
considered especially heinous.
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In New York City,
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the dedicated detectives who
investigate these vicious felonies
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are members of an elite squad
known as the Special Victims Unit.
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These are their stories.
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Yeah. Okay, thanks.
Come on.
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Go, go, go!
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Police! NYPD!
We have a search warrant!
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What the hell?
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Somebody got here
before us.
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Secure it. I don't want any surprises.
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Too late.
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I better call in SVU.
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We are not handing
this bust over to them.
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Don't worry.
I got a buddy.
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Better be good.
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Anonymous phone tip
said somebody was dealing.
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We surveilled a week, caught a lot
of traffic in and out of this place.
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Get our warrant, bust in, find our
alleged dealer sliced and diced.
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Signs of burglary, and by her appearance
I'm guessing she's been raped, too.
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But, you know, I wanted a trained SVU
detective like yourself on the case.
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Rape-homicide falls
on SVU no matter what.
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You didn't have to
hand it to me personally.
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There's a big haul here. Looks
good for my guys to turn it in.
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Yeah, right. You get all the
glory and we get all the work.
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So you trying to tell me that Laura
Ashley here is some kind of big kingpin?
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Where are the drugs?
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You didn't get
the complete tour.
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Over two hundred plants.
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Pull in a couple of
hundred thou on the street.
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Perp missed the jackpot.
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M.E. estimates TOD yesterday
between 9:00 a. m. And 2:00 p. m.
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Looked like about
30 to 40 stab wounds.
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Overkill.
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He either knew her well enough
to hate her or he's psychotic.
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Point of entry looks like
the fire escape window.
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Perp probably waltzed
out the front door.
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Got minimal fluids from the
rape kit, but enough to test.
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You locate a
murder weapon?
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Must've taken
it with him.
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Three-inch, single-edged,
non-serrated blade.
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About the size of the knife
missing from this?
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Yeah. The other
weapon he left behind.
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Bashed in the back of her
head before he stabbed her.
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Probably enough to knock
her out. No defensive wounds.
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It's not the most
obvious weapon.
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So she surprises him.
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Probably picked up the
first thing he could grab.
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Then he walks all the way
across the apartment for a knife?
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This guy's logic is
all over the place.
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Maybe he's mentally ill.
Or high.
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He covered
Mrs. Oestreicher with this.
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By the amount of blood on the blanket,
I'd say right after he stabbed her.
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So afterwards he gets
remorseful, embarrassed?
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And then sick.
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Our guy must
have thrown up.
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It's too far away
to be the victim's.
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Okay, let's send
a sample to the M.E.
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We can compare it to the stomach
contents of our victim, just to be sure.
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I love my job.
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What do we know about
this anonymous phone tip?
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Narcotics traced
it to a neighbor.
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Said she's nosy,
but not homicidal.
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I thought anonymous
tip meant anonymous.
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Like nobody would bug you
about doing your civic duty.
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We certainly don't mean
to inconvenience you.
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But there was a woman
murdered in your building.
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I know. I'm sorry
about that.
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But you live that kind of
life, you're asking for it.
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And what kind
of life is that?
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Criminal. You should've been
here when she was sparking up.
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Just walking down
the hall you'd get a buzz.
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Marc, get in there
and brush those teeth now.
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So you reported
Mrs. Oestreicher
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as a drug dealer because you smelled
dope. That was the only reason?
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What about the daily
Easter parade?
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In and out of there, people banging
on the door all hours of the day.
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Did you ever actually see any of
these deals, any money changing hands?
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No. No, but if she wasn't selling,
I don't know where she got her money.
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She hasn't worked
a day in over a year.
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Autopsy's done.
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So are the preliminary labs on
the fluids from the rape kit.
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Anything interesting?
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Your perp had no sperm.
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Interesting and pathetic.
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I'm not talking low sperm
count. This is azoospermia.
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Zero sperm in the ejaculate.
It's pretty rare.
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So our guy
got a vasectomy.
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That's one
explanation for it.
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It's also a sign of Kartagener's
Syndrome and Cystic Fibrosis.
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The lab can still extract DNA
from the skin cells in the sample.
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And they're
analyzing the vomit.
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We know who puked?
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Victim hadn't eaten in hours,
so it had to come from your perp.
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As far as Miss Oestreicher
is concerned,
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I suspect she would have died within
the year, had she not been murdered.
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What was
wrong with her?
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Advanced
ovarian cancer.
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She has small radiation burns
on the skin of her abdomen,
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and blood tests reveal
Taxol and carboplatin.
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She was undergoing
chemotherapy.
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That explains why
she didn't have a job.
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And why she was
growing pot.
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Must have been using it to counteract
the side effects of the cancer treatment.
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Decent levels of
THC in her system.
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But that woman was growing
a forest in there.
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You think she was toking
on all that by herself?
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Maybe she wasn't.
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You know, medicinal marijuana
clubs are popping up everywhere.
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People are pooling their
resources, growing their own stuff.
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Better product without
having to pay street prices.
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Well, if she's running a club, then
there has to be a membership list.
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How many people
we looking at?
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According to her day planner, nearly 100.
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But there's no names.
She only writes initials.
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We got C. K. Down the second
Monday of every month.
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J. A. S. Every
other Saturday.
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Probably a schedule. Members
take turns tending the crop.
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Why the hell you
know so much about it?
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Twenty-five years on the job
and he's still a damn hippie.
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Okay, I got the phone dumps from Susan
Oestreicher for the past six months.
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We got to match the names with the
initials and weed out the potheads.
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Find one club member,
might lead us to the rest.
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Convincing somebody to turn over
that list is not going to be easy.
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People looking at a narcotics
rap tend to be real cooperative.
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Threatening cancer patients.
Now, that's why I became a cop.
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They're breaking the law. I
don't care how sick they are.
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Do you have any idea why cannabis
is illegal in this country?
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Because William Randolph
Hearst's paper mills
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were threatened by
the hemp industry.
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And that's got nothing to do
with the fact that it's a drug.
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What do you call
alcohol and tobacco?
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Legal.
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Here we go.
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For the initials C. K.,
we've got a Cindy Kerber.
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C. K. C. K. Charles Kelsey, Christian
Kessler. This is going to be fun.
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We'll run them all down.
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If they had access to the
victim, they're all suspects.
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We know about
your club, Miss Kerber.
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Then I assume you found
what we were growing.
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Pretty tough to miss. You
guys have very green thumbs.
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We're not hurting anyone and
we're not making a profit.
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We are investigating
a murder.
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Now, all we need are the other
names of the members in the club.
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The rest is between us.
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I don't know most of the people
involved. We don't socialize.
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Give us the names of the people you do know.
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I'm sorry. I can't.
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This woman
was raped.
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She was stabbed
38 times.
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You don't want to help us in our
investigation? That is very strange to me.
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Because it wasn't
anyone in the club.
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Some of these people were debilitated
from nausea, from chemotherapy.
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The only thing that controls my tremors
from M. S. is smoking once in a while.
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Why would we kill the woman
who was helping us?
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Maybe she was
helping the wrong person.
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Somebody's sick, doesn't make them an angel.
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There was some trouble with this one
woman, Becky. Not her, really. Her husband.
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What kind of trouble?
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He threatened Sue. Said she
hooked his wife on drugs.
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Becky was dying from
metastatic breast cancer,
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and he wouldn't allow her
the tiniest bit of relief.
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Well, do you think that
he's capable of murder?
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I know his own wife
was afraid of him.
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Especially after he broke some guy's
back in a bar fight. Went to jail for it.
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I wouldn't
touch that bitch.
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Isn't it refreshing to hear such militant
adherence to the "Just Say No" philosophy?
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It's so rare
in convicts.
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That incident
was an accident.
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I did five years inside,
and now my wife's dead.
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I paid the price.
Go bother somebody else.
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No, we're bothering you,
Mr. Paglione.
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You got an awful lot of hate for the
woman who was trying to comfort your wife.
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Yeah, that's a real
beautiful story.
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Until one of you comes to my house and finds
drugs and busts me for parole violation.
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I was working from 6:00 in the
morning to 4:00, and no lunch break.
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And that's all I'm saying.
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We'll see you
back at the house.
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Munch says the husband's
alibi checks out.
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This membership list
is getting smaller.
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Half these people are either dead
or too weak to get out of bed.
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Maybe we're going down the
wrong path with this pot club.
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No, I just can't buy that the murder
and the drugs are a coincidence.
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Susan Oestreicher's neighbor
thought she was a drug dealer.
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What if somebody
else thought so, too?
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An M.E. out of the morgue?
Must be big.
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Captain Cragen told me
you were here.
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Lab finished analyzing the
vomit from the crime scene.
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Hey, am I gonna want to stop
eating before I hear this?
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Pieces of roast beef, a little mozzarella
cheese, kernels of corn and raisins.
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Luckily, they hadn't been
in the stomach very long,
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so everything was
only partially digested.
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Yeah, I'm done.
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And this is
good news because?
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My daughter's in
the sixth grade.
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She had that exact meal for lunch
at school on the day of the murder.
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I've got the menu on the
fridge. I called the Board of Ed.
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Every middle school in
Manhattan serves the same lunch.
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No sperm in the ejaculate.
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We're looking for a kid.
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Are we buying in to
this juvenile theory?
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Well, it makes sense.
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The disorganization of the crime scene
indicates an immature thought process.
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The number of stab wounds could mean he
has no real understanding of physiology.
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He just kills the way he thinks
that you're supposed to kill.
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The rape. Sexual curiosity.
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Well, we know the kid went to school
that day long enough to have lunch,
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so he must've
cut out afterwards.
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Well, we're not canvassing
every junior high in the city,
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and I'm not waiting for a DNA analysis
of the puke, so let's hear suggestions.
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Okay, we're looking for a boy who
has a history of fights in school.
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Minor vandalism with
risk-taking behavior.
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Sounds like every
teenage boy on the planet.
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I know. It's not much to go on.
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But adolescent behavior
is inherently unpredictable.
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That's why mental
health care professionals
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won't label a child a sociopath
even if he fits the definition.
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So the profile's wide open.
What else?
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Juvies stay
with the familiar.
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Maybe the victim
knew this kid.
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And even if she didn't,
he's likely to commit
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the crimes in his
own comfort zone.
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The neighbor who phoned
in the tip to Narcotics.
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Her son looked
about 13, right?
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That was Mrs. Lesinski
and her son Marc.
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Maybe he listens to Mom rail about
the drug dealer down the hall,
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he figures he can get
himself some free dope.
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And get some cash for a
new Xbox while he's at it.
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Check him out.
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Look, I told you, Marc
didn't see who killed her.
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He was in school.
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00:11:47,853 --> 00:11:48,979
You're sure about that?
234
00:11:49,054 --> 00:11:50,112
Of course I am.
235
00:11:50,189 --> 00:11:52,487
And the school calls
if he skips class?
236
00:11:52,558 --> 00:11:53,923
What exactly
are you asking?
237
00:11:53,992 --> 00:11:56,426
Mrs. Lesinski, we need to
speak with Marc right now.
238
00:11:56,495 --> 00:11:57,757
You think he could
have done this?
239
00:11:57,830 --> 00:11:59,764
He is a child.
Are you crazy?
240
00:12:00,532 --> 00:12:03,990
Has Marc bought anything that
he doesn't have the money for?
241
00:12:04,069 --> 00:12:05,058
No.
242
00:12:05,137 --> 00:12:07,196
Have you seen him with...
243
00:12:07,272 --> 00:12:09,672
Seen him with anything expensive
that you didn't give him?
244
00:12:10,742 --> 00:12:13,506
He said it was a present from a friend.
245
00:12:13,579 --> 00:12:15,308
Come on over here.
Show it to us, will you?
246
00:12:20,052 --> 00:12:21,542
An MP3 player.
247
00:12:22,821 --> 00:12:24,880
Must be a very good friend
to be so generous.
248
00:12:24,957 --> 00:12:28,449
No, the kid's a total geek. He's
always giving stuff to people.
249
00:12:28,527 --> 00:12:30,324
Oh. This total geek
have a name?
250
00:12:30,395 --> 00:12:32,158
Jeremy Brice.
251
00:12:32,231 --> 00:12:33,823
Mmm-hmm. Where do
you think Jeremy got that?
252
00:12:35,467 --> 00:12:38,368
Did you tell him that you had a drug
dealer living down the hall from you?
253
00:12:38,437 --> 00:12:39,563
Yeah.
What'd you say?
254
00:12:40,973 --> 00:12:44,636
I said that she's probably got some pretty
cool stuff, you know, 'cause she deals.
255
00:12:44,710 --> 00:12:48,373
So don't you think it's possible that
he got it from Mrs. Oestreicher's place?
256
00:12:48,447 --> 00:12:50,039
I don't know, maybe.
257
00:12:50,115 --> 00:12:52,015
But there's no way
Jeremy killed her.
258
00:12:53,185 --> 00:12:54,914
Well, how do you
know that?
259
00:12:54,987 --> 00:12:56,648
He's just not that cool.
260
00:12:59,024 --> 00:13:01,322
It is almost 8:00.
Everybody's already left.
261
00:13:01,393 --> 00:13:03,418
Let's pull him
out of school.
262
00:13:05,264 --> 00:13:07,926
Liv. Liv. Kids waiting for the bus.
263
00:13:12,704 --> 00:13:15,605
Hi, guys. Anyone know Jeremy Brice?
264
00:13:15,674 --> 00:13:16,800
Who?
265
00:13:16,875 --> 00:13:17,899
Jeremy Brice.
266
00:13:17,976 --> 00:13:19,034
There.
267
00:13:21,046 --> 00:13:22,479
You Jeremy?
268
00:13:24,049 --> 00:13:25,414
Relax, relax,
relax, Jeremy.
269
00:13:25,484 --> 00:13:26,610
I didn't do anything!
270
00:13:26,685 --> 00:13:28,880
We're the police. We want
to talk to you. Just relax.
271
00:13:28,954 --> 00:13:32,412
Jeremy, that looks
like blood.
272
00:13:32,491 --> 00:13:34,721
No, it isn't.
273
00:13:34,793 --> 00:13:37,318
We're going down to the police
station, Jeremy, all right?
274
00:13:37,396 --> 00:13:38,522
Where are
your parents?
275
00:13:38,597 --> 00:13:40,462
I have to go to school.
I have to...
276
00:13:43,635 --> 00:13:46,365
You made a mistake.
Jeremy was in school all day.
277
00:13:46,438 --> 00:13:47,564
We checked, Mrs. Brice.
278
00:13:47,639 --> 00:13:50,767
Jeremy's teachers told us
that he was absent after lunch.
279
00:13:50,842 --> 00:13:52,207
You skipped school?
280
00:13:52,277 --> 00:13:53,505
No.
281
00:13:53,579 --> 00:13:56,878
Jeremy? Jeremy,
look at me a second.
282
00:13:58,050 --> 00:14:00,245
You know you're not supposed
to lie to the police, right?
283
00:14:00,319 --> 00:14:01,377
I'm not lying.
284
00:14:01,453 --> 00:14:04,217
Where'd you get the MP3 player
you gave to your buddy Marc?
285
00:14:06,258 --> 00:14:08,158
I gave him that
for his birthday.
286
00:14:12,497 --> 00:14:14,397
Do you know a lady named
Susan Oestreicher?
287
00:14:14,466 --> 00:14:15,558
No.
288
00:14:15,634 --> 00:14:19,126
You sure? She's the woman that
lives right next door to Marc.
289
00:14:19,204 --> 00:14:21,604
Jeremy, you went
into that apartment,
290
00:14:21,673 --> 00:14:23,834
and something bad happened there, didn't it?
291
00:14:23,909 --> 00:14:25,672
I didn't go anywhere.
292
00:14:25,744 --> 00:14:29,703
Jeremy, these are your fingerprints that
your mom let us take when you got here.
293
00:14:31,583 --> 00:14:33,107
Remember that?
294
00:14:35,654 --> 00:14:39,112
These are the ones that we found
in Miss Oestreicher's apartment.
295
00:14:41,059 --> 00:14:42,890
They're exactly the same.
296
00:14:42,961 --> 00:14:44,258
No, they're not.
297
00:14:44,329 --> 00:14:48,129
They are. This tells me
you were in that apartment.
298
00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,565
No, it doesn't.
299
00:14:49,635 --> 00:14:52,001
Jeremy, what happened?
300
00:14:52,070 --> 00:14:55,699
Nothing. Why is
everybody picking on me?
301
00:14:58,543 --> 00:15:00,568
We'll take another crack
at him once he calms down.
302
00:15:00,646 --> 00:15:02,307
Well, we know he
was in the apartment.
303
00:15:02,381 --> 00:15:05,509
Once the labs come back on the forensic
evidence, we won't need a confession.
304
00:15:05,584 --> 00:15:06,676
A typical kid.
305
00:15:06,752 --> 00:15:09,050
Thinks if he denies
everything, it'll just go away.
306
00:15:09,121 --> 00:15:12,284
He's 14. Eligible to
be tried as an adult.
307
00:15:12,357 --> 00:15:15,554
Murder two. Would've been
eligible if he was 13.
308
00:15:15,627 --> 00:15:17,117
He look like
a grownup to you?
309
00:15:17,195 --> 00:15:20,164
He brutally raped and
murdered a 34-year-old woman.
310
00:15:20,232 --> 00:15:21,256
That's a grownup crime.
311
00:15:21,333 --> 00:15:24,029
He's not crying for his
victim, he's crying for himself.
312
00:15:24,102 --> 00:15:26,093
Guess you can't blame him.
His life is over.
313
00:15:26,171 --> 00:15:30,540
Labs are back. Blood on Jeremy's
coat matched the victim's type.
314
00:15:30,609 --> 00:15:32,167
Sounds like your
job is done.
315
00:15:32,244 --> 00:15:33,472
No. We're not that lucky.
316
00:15:33,545 --> 00:15:36,343
Lab's determined that the
rapist's blood was a type B.
317
00:15:36,415 --> 00:15:38,508
I got Jeremy's from
his school. He's type O.
318
00:15:38,583 --> 00:15:40,346
He had a partner.
Yeah.
319
00:15:40,419 --> 00:15:42,319
No sperm, so it's
got to be another kid.
320
00:15:42,387 --> 00:15:44,321
Well, what about
that neighbor's boy?
321
00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:45,913
Well, I checked him.
He didn't skip school
322
00:15:45,991 --> 00:15:48,255
and went to basketball
practice afterwards.
323
00:15:48,326 --> 00:15:52,160
Can we hold off on charging Jeremy as
an adult till we get the story straight?
324
00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:55,165
Well, he's 14, so he's automatically
arraigned in Supreme Court.
325
00:15:55,233 --> 00:15:57,133
But if you can prove to me
he wasn't the primary actor,
326
00:15:57,202 --> 00:15:59,227
I will recommend he be
removed to Family Court.
327
00:15:59,304 --> 00:16:00,999
Find out who
his friends are.
328
00:16:05,143 --> 00:16:08,078
We're no strangers to police
inquiring about some of our students,
329
00:16:08,146 --> 00:16:10,910
but I am surprised to hear
you're investigating Mr. Brice.
330
00:16:10,982 --> 00:16:12,813
Jeremy's not a
troublemaker?
331
00:16:12,884 --> 00:16:14,818
I don't know him,
so I guess not.
332
00:16:14,886 --> 00:16:16,786
1,500 students, Detectives.
333
00:16:16,855 --> 00:16:18,482
I only got time
for the bad eggs.
334
00:16:18,557 --> 00:16:20,923
You're saying he's
a model student, then.
335
00:16:20,992 --> 00:16:25,429
Academically, yes. He does very
well. Especially in math and art.
336
00:16:25,497 --> 00:16:30,161
But he was recently diagnosed as
dyslexic, and according to his file,
337
00:16:30,235 --> 00:16:34,001
his fifth grade teacher cited social
problems made him repeat the year.
338
00:16:34,072 --> 00:16:35,801
What kind of
social problems?
339
00:16:35,874 --> 00:16:38,399
Well, I spoke with Jeremy's
teachers this morning,
340
00:16:38,477 --> 00:16:40,911
and he's a little
behind maturity-wise.
341
00:16:40,979 --> 00:16:42,810
He has some
trouble fitting in.
342
00:16:42,881 --> 00:16:45,816
But again, nothing to suggest
any serious discipline problems.
343
00:16:45,884 --> 00:16:48,409
Teachers give you the names
of Jeremy's friends?
344
00:16:48,487 --> 00:16:49,977
That's the thing,
no one knew.
345
00:16:50,055 --> 00:16:51,647
Seems he really
doesn't have any.
346
00:16:53,625 --> 00:16:56,594
We're going to need a list of all the boys
that were absent the day of the murder,
347
00:16:56,661 --> 00:16:59,027
and we're going to need your
permission to search their lockers.
348
00:17:07,139 --> 00:17:09,799
I find any dead animals in here,
I'm going to deputize you for this.
349
00:17:09,875 --> 00:17:11,035
Got him.
350
00:17:11,107 --> 00:17:12,201
What'd you find?
351
00:17:12,277 --> 00:17:13,938
Susan Oestreicher.
352
00:17:19,017 --> 00:17:20,847
And the weapon
that killed her.
353
00:17:22,386 --> 00:17:23,979
This is a surprise.
354
00:17:24,055 --> 00:17:28,491
Locker 142 belongs to Zachary
Connor, a sixth-grader.
355
00:17:29,161 --> 00:17:31,925
I'll get his schedule and we'll
find him in his next class.
356
00:17:31,997 --> 00:17:34,158
I think he found
us already.
357
00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:36,528
What happened
to my locker?
358
00:17:42,538 --> 00:17:44,665
Zachary Connor
is 12 years old.
359
00:17:44,741 --> 00:17:47,608
I tell you, I've been on this job a
long time, some things still surprise me.
360
00:17:47,677 --> 00:17:49,406
You'll get over it.
His parents coming in?
361
00:17:49,479 --> 00:17:51,242
They should
be here any minute.
362
00:17:51,314 --> 00:17:53,578
We're going on 12 hours
holding Jeremy Brice.
363
00:17:53,650 --> 00:17:55,447
He and his mother are
still in interrogation.
364
00:17:55,518 --> 00:17:59,921
And they're staying until we know his
exact involvement in this woman's death.
365
00:17:59,989 --> 00:18:01,547
Munch is still
at the crime lab.
366
00:18:01,624 --> 00:18:04,149
CSU lifted three sets of
prints off of that knife.
367
00:18:04,227 --> 00:18:07,458
One unknown, one the victim's,
and one belonging to Jeremy.
368
00:18:07,530 --> 00:18:11,626
Captain, these are
Zachary Connor's parents.
369
00:18:11,701 --> 00:18:13,794
Mr. And Mrs. Connor,
thank you for making it down.
370
00:18:13,870 --> 00:18:16,498
Nobody's told us anything.
Is Zach all right?
371
00:18:16,572 --> 00:18:17,698
Well, he's fine. Fine.
372
00:18:17,774 --> 00:18:20,208
We think he might know
something about a crime.
373
00:18:20,276 --> 00:18:21,971
Now, Ted here
will get you settled,
374
00:18:22,045 --> 00:18:24,707
and in a minute a detective
will explain everything to you.
375
00:18:24,781 --> 00:18:27,306
He's never been in trouble
before, Captain. Not once.
376
00:18:32,588 --> 00:18:34,647
Is that true?
No trouble with this boy?
377
00:18:34,724 --> 00:18:37,056
Straight As. Not a mark on his school record.
378
00:18:38,161 --> 00:18:39,822
Let's go easy on this.
379
00:18:39,896 --> 00:18:42,160
Finesse them. See if one turns on the other.
380
00:18:42,231 --> 00:18:43,721
Fin, you take
Zachary and his parents.
381
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,132
You guys take
another run at Jeremy.
382
00:18:46,202 --> 00:18:48,796
Set up video cameras
and monitors in both rooms.
383
00:18:48,871 --> 00:18:51,066
I'll call in Cabot
and Huang to observe.
384
00:18:52,342 --> 00:18:54,902
Remember where you were day
before yesterday, Zachary?
385
00:18:54,978 --> 00:18:56,741
At school.
And then I went home.
386
00:18:56,813 --> 00:18:58,644
You there all day?
Yeah.
387
00:18:58,715 --> 00:18:59,943
Well, I talked
to your teachers,
388
00:19:00,016 --> 00:19:02,985
and they said that you missed
all your classes after lunch.
389
00:19:03,052 --> 00:19:04,576
I was in the library.
390
00:19:05,288 --> 00:19:06,983
I had to study
for a math test.
391
00:19:07,056 --> 00:19:08,683
He does have
a big test coming up.
392
00:19:08,758 --> 00:19:11,283
Okay. You know
Jeremy Brice?
393
00:19:11,361 --> 00:19:12,555
He's a seventh-grader.
394
00:19:12,628 --> 00:19:13,686
Friend of yours?
395
00:19:13,763 --> 00:19:15,060
No. I don't
like him.
396
00:19:15,965 --> 00:19:18,490
You didn't hang out with him
at all day before yesterday?
397
00:19:18,568 --> 00:19:21,036
No. He's dorky.
And he's a bully.
398
00:19:22,638 --> 00:19:23,798
You got a knife, Zach?
399
00:19:23,873 --> 00:19:24,965
A what?
400
00:19:26,109 --> 00:19:27,508
You mean the one
in my locker.
401
00:19:27,577 --> 00:19:29,169
Where'd you get it?
402
00:19:29,846 --> 00:19:33,282
I found it in the dumpster behind
the school. And the wallet, too.
403
00:19:33,349 --> 00:19:35,374
What were you looking for in the garbage?
404
00:19:36,753 --> 00:19:38,584
Well, sometimes they
throw out cool things.
405
00:19:38,654 --> 00:19:40,417
Once I found
new markers.
406
00:19:40,490 --> 00:19:41,821
Yeah, that is cool.
407
00:19:41,891 --> 00:19:45,793
So why'd you take the knife and
wallet and put them in your locker?
408
00:19:45,862 --> 00:19:47,227
I was gonna
turn them in.
409
00:19:47,296 --> 00:19:50,424
I thought someone lost them.
But then I forgot.
410
00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:52,229
Did you know there
was blood on that knife?
411
00:19:52,301 --> 00:19:53,768
Oh, my God.
412
00:19:53,836 --> 00:19:55,804
I thought it was fake.
413
00:19:55,872 --> 00:19:59,000
But you should ask Jeremy.
He told me where to find it.
414
00:20:00,443 --> 00:20:02,206
So, Jeremy,
you want a drink?
415
00:20:02,278 --> 00:20:03,711
No. I want to go home.
416
00:20:03,780 --> 00:20:04,872
Well, I know you do.
417
00:20:04,947 --> 00:20:08,075
But the reason that we have to stay here
is because you're not telling us the truth.
418
00:20:08,151 --> 00:20:09,584
Yes, I am.
419
00:20:09,652 --> 00:20:12,485
Jeremy, we picked up your
friend Zachary at school today.
420
00:20:13,589 --> 00:20:14,988
Zach's here?
421
00:20:15,058 --> 00:20:17,151
He's right in the next room,
speaking to one of our detectives.
422
00:20:18,561 --> 00:20:20,495
What do you think
he's going to say?
423
00:20:22,031 --> 00:20:23,293
Nothing.
424
00:20:23,833 --> 00:20:25,892
I think he might.
425
00:20:27,904 --> 00:20:29,667
Look, I know you don't want
to get him in trouble,
426
00:20:29,739 --> 00:20:32,606
but you've got to
tell us what happened.
427
00:20:32,675 --> 00:20:36,133
Even if it's something that's really,
really bad, you've got to tell us.
428
00:20:40,883 --> 00:20:42,680
Zach's my best friend.
429
00:20:42,752 --> 00:20:45,516
You can't make me say
he did something bad.
430
00:20:45,588 --> 00:20:47,818
He didn't do anything.
431
00:20:50,693 --> 00:20:52,285
Jeremy's in for
a rude awakening.
432
00:20:52,361 --> 00:20:53,953
His best friend's
about to flip on him.
433
00:20:55,031 --> 00:20:57,932
What I find hard to believe is
how a kid as young as Zachary
434
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,695
is physically
capable of rape.
435
00:20:59,769 --> 00:21:03,535
Biologically, all he needs is enough
testosterone to achieve an erection.
436
00:21:03,606 --> 00:21:06,575
These days, boys reach puberty
as early as nine years old.
437
00:21:06,642 --> 00:21:09,634
Add to that an ill woman,
weakened by chemotherapy.
438
00:21:09,712 --> 00:21:12,681
She's the perfect victim
for a 90-pound rapist.
439
00:21:12,748 --> 00:21:14,511
You think he did it?
440
00:21:15,685 --> 00:21:17,175
I think he's lying.
441
00:21:17,253 --> 00:21:20,916
He keeps changing his story so that
it's just plausible enough to be true.
442
00:21:20,990 --> 00:21:22,480
He's involved.
443
00:21:25,661 --> 00:21:26,787
What's all this?
444
00:21:26,863 --> 00:21:28,421
Interrogation tactics,
Captain.
445
00:21:28,498 --> 00:21:31,296
A few special mementos
from Zachary Connor's locker.
446
00:21:33,469 --> 00:21:35,494
This is Detective Munch,
my partner.
447
00:21:35,571 --> 00:21:37,334
How much longer
do we need to be here?
448
00:21:37,406 --> 00:21:39,237
Entirely up to your son,
Mr. Connor.
449
00:21:39,308 --> 00:21:40,502
Is that your book?
450
00:21:40,576 --> 00:21:42,737
I don't know. All our books look alike.
451
00:21:42,812 --> 00:21:44,973
Oh, yeah?
Is that your name?
452
00:21:45,615 --> 00:21:47,242
Yeah. Then that must be yours, right?
453
00:21:49,352 --> 00:21:52,515
What is this about? It's
his book. Why does it matter?
454
00:21:52,588 --> 00:21:56,490
We also have a CD
labeled with your initials,
455
00:21:56,559 --> 00:22:00,791
a pen, a magazine subscription
sticker in your name.
456
00:22:00,863 --> 00:22:02,854
You know where I got them?
457
00:22:02,932 --> 00:22:04,297
In my locker at school?
458
00:22:04,367 --> 00:22:07,029
Right. You know what else
they have in common? Hmm?
459
00:22:07,803 --> 00:22:09,100
Detective Tutuola?
460
00:22:09,172 --> 00:22:11,106
Covered with
his fingerprints.
461
00:22:11,174 --> 00:22:12,732
Correct.
Just a minute.
462
00:22:12,808 --> 00:22:14,332
Now, Zach,
you're a bright young man.
463
00:22:14,410 --> 00:22:17,379
You understand that every
time you touch something,
464
00:22:17,446 --> 00:22:19,380
you leave a
fingerprint behind.
465
00:22:19,448 --> 00:22:22,281
So I want you to think real hard
before you answer this question.
466
00:22:22,351 --> 00:22:26,253
Were you ever in an apartment on
Avenue C where a woman was killed?
467
00:22:26,322 --> 00:22:27,983
Oh, what the hell?
468
00:22:33,329 --> 00:22:35,695
I was in that lady's
apartment with Jeremy.
469
00:22:36,666 --> 00:22:38,031
He killed her.
470
00:22:41,370 --> 00:22:45,238
Hey, Jeremy, I think you
might want to see this.
471
00:22:46,542 --> 00:22:48,237
Whose idea was it?
472
00:22:49,979 --> 00:22:51,276
Jeremy's.
473
00:22:51,814 --> 00:22:53,873
To rob her
or to kill her?
474
00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:55,649
Everything.
475
00:22:56,886 --> 00:22:58,615
He said she had
lots of money.
476
00:23:00,056 --> 00:23:01,990
But then she came home.
477
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,292
He made me do
bad things to her.
478
00:23:06,362 --> 00:23:08,193
He made me touch her.
479
00:23:09,532 --> 00:23:11,762
And then Jeremy got the knife
480
00:23:13,369 --> 00:23:15,064
and he killed her.
481
00:23:15,938 --> 00:23:18,065
What happened after that?
482
00:23:18,140 --> 00:23:19,539
I ran away.
483
00:23:21,844 --> 00:23:23,334
I was scared.
484
00:23:26,449 --> 00:23:28,747
Jeremy. No.
485
00:23:28,818 --> 00:23:31,048
Jeremy, is that
what happened?
486
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:32,610
He's lying!
487
00:23:33,889 --> 00:23:35,914
So you tell us the truth.
488
00:23:40,196 --> 00:23:42,357
I didn't want
anyone to get hurt.
489
00:23:43,966 --> 00:23:46,799
Was it your idea to break
into that woman's apartment?
490
00:23:49,438 --> 00:23:51,429
Jeremy, why would
you do that?
491
00:23:52,441 --> 00:23:54,875
Zach thought it was cool.
492
00:23:54,944 --> 00:23:57,845
Was it cool when you took the
telephone and bashed her head in?
493
00:23:57,913 --> 00:24:01,178
I didn't do that, Zach did.
494
00:24:01,250 --> 00:24:03,081
Do I listen to
his story or yours?
495
00:24:06,022 --> 00:24:07,546
She fell down.
496
00:24:08,758 --> 00:24:10,419
She was bleeding.
497
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,427
Zach said to get
a knife from the kitchen.
498
00:24:15,097 --> 00:24:18,863
I didn't want to,
but he was screaming at me.
499
00:24:19,935 --> 00:24:22,267
I didn't know what he was
going to do with it, I swear.
500
00:24:22,338 --> 00:24:26,434
So you got the knife,
and then what happened?
501
00:24:28,444 --> 00:24:32,540
When I walked back in,
Zach was on top of her.
502
00:24:33,582 --> 00:24:37,575
He took the knife and he
stabbed her over and over.
503
00:24:38,654 --> 00:24:40,747
There was all this
blood and I threw up!
504
00:24:40,823 --> 00:24:44,224
I'm sorry.
I'm really, really sorry!
505
00:24:47,296 --> 00:24:48,320
I'm sorry.
506
00:24:48,397 --> 00:24:51,298
Jeremy, who covered her up
with the blanket?
507
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:54,463
I did.
508
00:24:55,871 --> 00:24:58,533
You shouldn't leave
someone like that.
509
00:25:00,509 --> 00:25:02,170
Can I go home now?
510
00:25:03,012 --> 00:25:04,946
I just want to go home.
511
00:25:05,748 --> 00:25:07,943
I want to go home.
512
00:25:08,017 --> 00:25:11,214
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
513
00:25:15,858 --> 00:25:17,792
CSU finished
with Zach's house?
514
00:25:17,860 --> 00:25:20,852
Top to bottom. No blood. Must have
tossed the clothes he was wearing.
515
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:22,659
So we've got two kids,
two different stories,
516
00:25:22,732 --> 00:25:24,324
and either one of them
could have killed her.
517
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,698
Which means I have
an even bigger problem.
518
00:25:26,769 --> 00:25:29,431
Whether or not to try
Jeremy Brice as an adult.
519
00:25:29,505 --> 00:25:30,995
Zachary Connor is 12.
520
00:25:31,073 --> 00:25:33,871
So even if he acted alone,
he's out of my jurisdiction.
521
00:25:33,943 --> 00:25:35,467
He is going
to Family Court.
522
00:25:35,544 --> 00:25:37,910
And what kind of punishment
is kiddie court handing out
523
00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:39,743
for rapists and murderers
these days?
524
00:25:39,815 --> 00:25:42,147
Their mandate is
rehabilitation, not punishment.
525
00:25:42,218 --> 00:25:46,678
So the maximum sentence is 18
months in a limited secure facility.
526
00:25:46,756 --> 00:25:48,849
And Jeremy's looking
at life in Attica.
527
00:25:48,924 --> 00:25:51,791
If the D. A. thinks he's
a danger to society, yes.
528
00:25:51,861 --> 00:25:54,989
Okay, I got to tell you that I
believe Jeremy's version of the events.
529
00:25:55,064 --> 00:25:58,693
You know, this kid is more of a
danger to himself than anybody else.
530
00:25:58,768 --> 00:26:01,134
Doc, you saw both interviews.
What do you think?
531
00:26:01,203 --> 00:26:02,795
I agree with you.
532
00:26:02,872 --> 00:26:04,635
Jeremy is more
easily manipulated.
533
00:26:04,707 --> 00:26:06,800
He's desperate to
fit in at any cost,
534
00:26:06,876 --> 00:26:09,436
whereas Zachary is
far more calculating.
535
00:26:09,512 --> 00:26:11,980
I think he wields a great
deal of control over Jeremy,
536
00:26:12,047 --> 00:26:15,448
and I think he murdered
and raped Susan Oestreicher.
537
00:26:16,318 --> 00:26:20,584
So the question is do we go after
Jeremy because we can't get Zachary?
538
00:26:23,058 --> 00:26:24,116
No.
539
00:26:24,593 --> 00:26:27,153
I'll recommend we remove
Jeremy to family court.
540
00:26:37,273 --> 00:26:40,504
The D. A. is seeking an
indictment against Jeremy Brice.
541
00:26:40,576 --> 00:26:42,669
You've got one day to
prepare for the grand jury.
542
00:26:42,745 --> 00:26:44,372
On what charges?
543
00:26:44,447 --> 00:26:45,971
Felony murder
and burglary one.
544
00:26:46,048 --> 00:26:47,982
I recommended against it.
545
00:26:48,050 --> 00:26:49,312
Well, the D. A. disagreed.
546
00:26:49,385 --> 00:26:53,788
But the evidence clearly indicates that
Jeremy Brice's involvement was limited.
547
00:26:53,856 --> 00:26:56,324
The DNA proves that Zachary
Connor committed the rape.
548
00:26:56,392 --> 00:26:59,555
Jeremy already confessed to
participating in the burglary.
549
00:26:59,628 --> 00:27:00,652
That's the predicate felony.
550
00:27:00,729 --> 00:27:02,754
He knew it was dangerous, he
knew someone could be killed.
551
00:27:02,832 --> 00:27:04,322
No, he didn't.
552
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,028
This boy is not mature
enough to understand that.
553
00:27:07,102 --> 00:27:08,899
The law says he is.
554
00:27:08,971 --> 00:27:12,270
That legislation
was passed in 1978
555
00:27:12,341 --> 00:27:15,708
as a knee-jerk reaction to
some perceived youth crime wave.
556
00:27:15,778 --> 00:27:18,372
It also says that we
prosecute juveniles as adults
557
00:27:18,447 --> 00:27:21,348
at the discretion of
the district attorney.
558
00:27:21,417 --> 00:27:23,851
He made the call.
You do your job.
559
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,886
Which should be easy enough
with Jeremy's confession.
560
00:27:28,090 --> 00:27:29,990
A win for the D. A.
561
00:27:30,059 --> 00:27:32,027
So that's what this is about.
562
00:27:32,094 --> 00:27:33,823
'Cause I'd like to know just
how much of a sycophant
563
00:27:33,896 --> 00:27:36,694
I have to be in this
new administration.
564
00:27:38,601 --> 00:27:40,398
Let's say you're right.
565
00:27:40,469 --> 00:27:42,198
Let's say Zachary Connor
did everything.
566
00:27:42,271 --> 00:27:45,763
That means every step of the
way, Jeremy Brice had a choice.
567
00:27:46,442 --> 00:27:48,535
Do the right thing
or do the wrong thing.
568
00:27:49,712 --> 00:27:53,443
Watch your friend rape a
defenseless woman or stop him,
569
00:27:53,516 --> 00:27:56,451
run away or give him the knife
so he can stab her to death.
570
00:27:57,386 --> 00:27:59,251
Do we punish
him for this?
571
00:27:59,321 --> 00:28:02,654
Or do we tell him that there are
no consequences for his actions?
572
00:28:02,725 --> 00:28:06,286
We remove him to Family Court
in hopes of rehabilitation.
573
00:28:07,196 --> 00:28:10,222
That won't happen if he goes
J. O. And you know it.
574
00:28:10,299 --> 00:28:13,598
You have more faith in the Juvenile
Justice Department than I do.
575
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,936
You're adamantly opposed
to prosecuting this case?
576
00:28:21,010 --> 00:28:23,774
Yes. I think it's wrong.
577
00:28:25,414 --> 00:28:26,779
All right.
578
00:28:27,716 --> 00:28:29,308
Then I'll do it.
579
00:28:31,654 --> 00:28:33,417
You're second chair.
580
00:28:40,895 --> 00:28:44,126
Elizabeth Donnelly
is back trying cases?
581
00:28:44,198 --> 00:28:47,395
Or did your new boss
demote you already?
582
00:28:47,468 --> 00:28:51,165
Funny comments like that, it's a
wonder both your legs aren't broken.
583
00:28:51,238 --> 00:28:53,502
You get attacked by one of
your repeat offenders again?
584
00:28:53,574 --> 00:28:56,839
No, actually one of your esteemed
colleagues knocked me off a curb.
585
00:28:56,911 --> 00:28:58,401
There's a
law suit pending.
586
00:28:59,313 --> 00:29:02,305
Alexandra Cabot, Gina
Bernardo, public defender.
587
00:29:02,383 --> 00:29:03,407
Nice to meet you.
588
00:29:03,484 --> 00:29:07,682
So the D. A. has assembled a legal
dream team to crucify a child.
589
00:29:07,755 --> 00:29:10,087
You know as well as I do
charging Jeremy Brice
590
00:29:10,157 --> 00:29:12,352
as an adult is
a gross injustice.
591
00:29:12,426 --> 00:29:14,189
Tell that to
Susan Oestreicher's family.
592
00:29:14,261 --> 00:29:17,662
You honestly believe he deserves
to be charged for murder two?
593
00:29:17,732 --> 00:29:19,563
The grand jury did.
594
00:29:19,633 --> 00:29:22,568
You can't possibly hold my
client responsible for something
595
00:29:22,636 --> 00:29:25,730
it's impossible for him
to be responsible for.
596
00:29:26,674 --> 00:29:28,835
Notification of
affirmative defense.
597
00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:32,106
Not guilty by reason
of mental disease or defect.
598
00:29:34,648 --> 00:29:36,047
What defect?
599
00:29:37,084 --> 00:29:39,484
His 14-year-old brain.
600
00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:42,178
Your Honor,
this is an obvious attempt
601
00:29:42,256 --> 00:29:43,780
to backdoor
the defense of infancy.
602
00:29:43,858 --> 00:29:48,022
Article 30 clearly states that defense cannot
be used for juveniles charged with murder.
603
00:29:48,095 --> 00:29:51,553
I'm not saying that my client isn't
responsible because of his age.
604
00:29:51,632 --> 00:29:54,897
I am saying he isn't responsible
because of his diminished capacity.
605
00:29:54,969 --> 00:29:58,063
Dictated by his age.
It's the same thing.
606
00:29:58,139 --> 00:30:00,630
This is a legislative issue, Your
Honor, not a matter for the court.
607
00:30:00,708 --> 00:30:04,303
Then why did three Supreme Court
justices draft a public statement
608
00:30:04,378 --> 00:30:06,938
calling for the abolishment
of juvenile executions?
609
00:30:07,014 --> 00:30:11,212
Because it is cruel and unusual to
impose adult punishment on someone
610
00:30:11,285 --> 00:30:13,150
who isn't capable
of adult thought.
611
00:30:13,220 --> 00:30:15,415
Couldn't one argue then
that certain behavior,
612
00:30:15,489 --> 00:30:19,789
such as the committing of a
violent crime, proves adult thought?
613
00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:23,227
No. If your 10-year-old son
takes your car out for a joy ride,
614
00:30:23,297 --> 00:30:25,629
do you automatically hand
him a driver's license?
615
00:30:25,699 --> 00:30:27,291
This is all very interesting,
Ms. Bernardo,
616
00:30:27,368 --> 00:30:30,599
but I fail to see how any of this
applies to an insanity defense.
617
00:30:30,671 --> 00:30:32,434
These are scientific studies
618
00:30:32,506 --> 00:30:36,442
proving that an adolescent's brain is
significantly different than an adult's.
619
00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:40,378
That, in fact, our brains aren't fully
formed until we're in our early 20s.
620
00:30:40,448 --> 00:30:42,507
And I can present scientific
studies which prove
621
00:30:42,583 --> 00:30:45,245
my cat is trying
to kill me in my sleep.
622
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:46,479
Daubert test, Your Honor.
623
00:30:46,554 --> 00:30:49,990
Scientific evidence must meet federal
standards of relevance and reliability.
624
00:30:50,057 --> 00:30:53,515
Well, one of the studies was done by
the National Institute of Mental Health.
625
00:30:53,594 --> 00:30:55,926
Is the federal government
reliable enough for you?
626
00:30:55,996 --> 00:30:59,193
The reliability of the
studies isn't in question.
627
00:30:59,266 --> 00:31:03,396
My job is to determine whether or
not they have any material value.
628
00:31:03,471 --> 00:31:05,132
I believe they do.
629
00:31:06,006 --> 00:31:08,770
And I believe
the jury should hear them.
630
00:31:13,247 --> 00:31:17,149
Dr. Hayman, can you tell us about
the study you recently completed?
631
00:31:17,218 --> 00:31:19,982
We used functional magnetic
resonance imaging
632
00:31:20,054 --> 00:31:23,023
to map the brains of healthy
adolescents over several years
633
00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:25,320
and compared them
to those of healthy adults.
634
00:31:25,392 --> 00:31:27,451
And what did your study find?
635
00:31:27,528 --> 00:31:31,055
For adolescents, brain activity
is much higher in the amygdala,
636
00:31:31,132 --> 00:31:34,260
which guides instincts
like fear or anger.
637
00:31:34,335 --> 00:31:37,566
In adults, the activity in
the frontal lobe is higher,
638
00:31:37,638 --> 00:31:40,869
and that's the seat of
reasoning and good judgment.
639
00:31:40,941 --> 00:31:43,910
So what are the conclusions of your findings?
640
00:31:43,978 --> 00:31:47,436
Adolescents are
physiologically prone
641
00:31:47,515 --> 00:31:49,779
to impulsive and
irrational behavior.
642
00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:56,255
So teenagers are moody and
unpredictable, and even violent,
643
00:31:56,323 --> 00:31:58,223
because they are
wired that way?
644
00:31:58,292 --> 00:32:00,021
Objection. Leading.
645
00:32:00,094 --> 00:32:01,459
Sustained.
646
00:32:01,529 --> 00:32:03,929
That's all.
No further questions.
647
00:32:07,067 --> 00:32:13,939
So, your study says that teenagers
are impulsive and irrational.
648
00:32:17,645 --> 00:32:20,045
Here's what
I don't understand.
649
00:32:20,114 --> 00:32:24,107
If that's true, how is it
that every single teenager
650
00:32:24,185 --> 00:32:26,710
isn't a rapist or a murderer?
651
00:32:26,787 --> 00:32:30,621
I believe I said adolescents
were prone to certain behaviors.
652
00:32:30,691 --> 00:32:34,627
Then some teenagers are
perfectly reasonable and rational.
653
00:32:34,695 --> 00:32:35,787
Yes.
654
00:32:36,497 --> 00:32:37,759
How many?
655
00:32:39,667 --> 00:32:40,691
How many what?
656
00:32:40,768 --> 00:32:44,329
How many teenagers are rational and
how many are rapists and murderers?
657
00:32:45,372 --> 00:32:46,805
There's no answer
to that question.
658
00:32:46,874 --> 00:32:48,341
I thought you
mapped their brains.
659
00:32:48,409 --> 00:32:51,344
We haven't tested every
single teenager in the world.
660
00:32:52,012 --> 00:32:56,847
Oh. So if you had given MRIs
to every single teenager,
661
00:32:56,917 --> 00:33:00,512
you would be able to predict whether or
not they would be a criminal. Is that it?
662
00:33:00,588 --> 00:33:02,385
No.
Well, what?
663
00:33:02,456 --> 00:33:05,323
If the irrational part of
the brain is overactive,
664
00:33:05,392 --> 00:33:07,622
that proves that they'll
be violent, doesn't it?
665
00:33:07,695 --> 00:33:09,560
It doesn't
prove anything.
666
00:33:09,630 --> 00:33:11,723
This research is
in its infancy.
667
00:33:12,633 --> 00:33:14,692
Your study doesn't
prove anything?
668
00:33:14,768 --> 00:33:16,429
Not what you're
asking for, but...
669
00:33:16,503 --> 00:33:19,336
Then it's a theory,
an unproven theory.
670
00:33:19,406 --> 00:33:21,874
This research is
a huge step forward
671
00:33:21,942 --> 00:33:23,534
in understanding
how the brain works.
672
00:33:23,611 --> 00:33:27,342
Which is just another way of saying we
really don't understand the brain at all.
673
00:33:30,417 --> 00:33:32,009
Nothing further.
674
00:33:35,189 --> 00:33:39,717
Jeremy, do you know the difference
between what's right and what's wrong?
675
00:33:40,628 --> 00:33:41,652
Yes.
676
00:33:41,729 --> 00:33:45,290
Was it wrong to break into
Susan Oestreicher's apartment?
677
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,960
Yes.
678
00:33:48,469 --> 00:33:49,834
Then why did you do it?
679
00:33:51,171 --> 00:33:53,401
Zach said he
wanted some money.
680
00:33:53,474 --> 00:33:55,271
Do you always do
what Zach wants?
681
00:33:56,477 --> 00:33:58,240
He's my best friend.
682
00:33:58,312 --> 00:34:01,338
Jeremy, did you know that Zach
was planning to kill that woman?
683
00:34:02,483 --> 00:34:03,507
No.
684
00:34:03,951 --> 00:34:06,385
And if you thought
even for one moment
685
00:34:06,453 --> 00:34:08,148
that that's what
he wanted to do,
686
00:34:08,222 --> 00:34:09,780
would you have gone
with him to the apartment,
687
00:34:09,857 --> 00:34:11,984
even though he's
your best friend?
688
00:34:12,059 --> 00:34:13,185
No.
689
00:34:14,194 --> 00:34:16,321
I don't want
anyone to get killed.
690
00:34:16,397 --> 00:34:18,296
Jeremy,
what is more wrong?
691
00:34:18,365 --> 00:34:22,631
Watching someone do something terrible
or telling on your only friend?
692
00:34:27,274 --> 00:34:28,741
I don't know.
693
00:34:30,678 --> 00:34:33,511
So, maybe, you don't know right
from wrong as much as you think.
694
00:34:36,716 --> 00:34:38,378
Thank you, Jeremy.
695
00:34:41,988 --> 00:34:44,718
Who hit Susan Oestreicher
over the head?
696
00:34:45,459 --> 00:34:46,551
Zach.
697
00:34:47,093 --> 00:34:49,756
Hard enough so she
was knocked out, right?
698
00:34:49,830 --> 00:34:50,854
Yeah.
699
00:34:50,930 --> 00:34:53,455
Then Zach told you
to get the knife.
700
00:34:54,935 --> 00:34:57,495
He... He said to
look in the kitchen.
701
00:34:57,571 --> 00:34:59,265
Did you think he
was going to stab her?
702
00:34:59,872 --> 00:35:00,999
No.
703
00:35:01,075 --> 00:35:03,066
What did you think
he was going to do?
704
00:35:04,278 --> 00:35:07,304
Scare her. He didn't want her to yell.
705
00:35:07,381 --> 00:35:10,179
But she wasn't awake.
How would she yell?
706
00:35:11,819 --> 00:35:13,514
I don't know.
707
00:35:13,587 --> 00:35:15,885
What do people do
with knives, Jeremy?
708
00:35:18,325 --> 00:35:19,690
Cut things.
709
00:35:20,227 --> 00:35:23,628
So you walked into the
kitchen and you got the knife.
710
00:35:23,697 --> 00:35:24,755
Yes.
711
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:27,624
You said you were
afraid of Zach. Why?
712
00:35:27,701 --> 00:35:29,100
He was yelling at me.
713
00:35:29,169 --> 00:35:31,569
Why didn't you
walk out the door?
714
00:35:35,576 --> 00:35:37,043
I don't know.
715
00:35:40,581 --> 00:35:43,106
So, you got the knife.
716
00:35:44,284 --> 00:35:46,081
You walked back to Zach,
717
00:35:46,153 --> 00:35:49,122
and you were holding
the knife in your hands.
718
00:35:49,189 --> 00:35:50,349
Yes.
719
00:35:50,424 --> 00:35:52,153
Why did you
give it to him?
720
00:35:52,226 --> 00:35:54,387
Was it because you were
afraid or because you
721
00:35:54,461 --> 00:35:57,055
wanted to be
cool for your friend?
722
00:35:57,131 --> 00:35:58,189
I don't know!
723
00:35:58,265 --> 00:36:00,358
You knew what he
was going to do,
724
00:36:00,434 --> 00:36:02,800
and you helped him do it.
Isn't that why?
725
00:36:04,371 --> 00:36:05,838
I'm sorry!
726
00:36:07,441 --> 00:36:09,568
I'm so sorry.
727
00:36:09,643 --> 00:36:11,133
I'm so sorry.
728
00:36:11,745 --> 00:36:13,042
I'm sorry.
729
00:36:13,781 --> 00:36:15,112
I'm sorry.
730
00:36:23,323 --> 00:36:24,915
Nothing further.
731
00:36:28,095 --> 00:36:29,756
I'm so sorry.
732
00:36:37,938 --> 00:36:39,200
Alex.
733
00:36:40,474 --> 00:36:42,999
Well, guess you got
what you wanted.
734
00:36:44,178 --> 00:36:48,012
Destroying a child on the stand is
not quite the highlight of my career.
735
00:36:49,183 --> 00:36:50,707
You did your job.
736
00:36:50,784 --> 00:36:51,876
Careful, Alex.
737
00:36:51,952 --> 00:36:56,048
You're beginning to sound like
me, disillusioned before your time.
738
00:36:57,724 --> 00:36:59,885
I need you to subpoena
a rebuttal witness.
739
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:01,222
Who?
Zachary Connor.
740
00:37:01,295 --> 00:37:02,387
Why?
741
00:37:02,463 --> 00:37:04,761
As of today, he's been
adjudicated by Family Court.
742
00:37:04,832 --> 00:37:08,393
Any testimony he gives won't be
tainted by his co-conspirator status.
743
00:37:08,469 --> 00:37:09,959
If you put Zachary Connor
on the stand,
744
00:37:10,037 --> 00:37:13,006
he's going to say that Jeremy did
everything and I believe that's a lie.
745
00:37:13,073 --> 00:37:15,906
I'm not putting him
on the stand. You are.
746
00:37:15,976 --> 00:37:18,740
Jury already thinks
I make little kids cry.
747
00:37:18,812 --> 00:37:20,677
No. I won't
suborn perjury.
748
00:37:20,747 --> 00:37:23,614
Then I guess you better
make sure he tells the truth.
749
00:37:32,025 --> 00:37:34,653
Zachary,
who killed Susan Oestreicher?
750
00:37:35,762 --> 00:37:37,127
Jeremy did.
751
00:37:37,865 --> 00:37:39,560
So he stabbed
her with a knife?
752
00:37:39,633 --> 00:37:40,930
Yes.
753
00:37:41,001 --> 00:37:43,526
That must have been
very frightening for you.
754
00:37:43,604 --> 00:37:45,435
Yes. I was scared.
755
00:37:45,506 --> 00:37:47,235
What were you scared of?
756
00:37:47,307 --> 00:37:48,501
Jeremy.
757
00:37:49,042 --> 00:37:50,100
Why?
758
00:37:50,644 --> 00:37:52,407
Because he's bigger.
759
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,339
Was Jeremy
afraid of anything?
760
00:37:55,415 --> 00:37:56,473
Yes.
761
00:37:56,917 --> 00:37:58,009
What?
762
00:37:58,285 --> 00:38:00,719
He was just afraid.
He didn't want to get caught.
763
00:38:00,787 --> 00:38:02,345
But you did get caught.
764
00:38:02,422 --> 00:38:03,912
Miss Oestreicher came home.
765
00:38:03,991 --> 00:38:06,824
That was Jeremy's fault.
He got it wrong.
766
00:38:07,227 --> 00:38:09,525
You must have been really scared
when she walked in that door?
767
00:38:09,596 --> 00:38:11,063
No, I wasn't.
768
00:38:11,131 --> 00:38:12,189
Okay.
769
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,098
Zachary, when did
you throw up?
770
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:18,096
That was Jeremy.
771
00:38:18,171 --> 00:38:20,537
I thought you
were afraid, Zachary.
772
00:38:20,607 --> 00:38:23,633
I thought you threw up because
you couldn't look at the blood.
773
00:38:23,710 --> 00:38:26,178
I could, too.
Jeremy couldn't.
774
00:38:26,246 --> 00:38:28,009
He was being a baby
and crying.
775
00:38:28,081 --> 00:38:30,413
When? Before or after
she was killed?
776
00:38:30,484 --> 00:38:31,644
The whole time.
777
00:38:31,718 --> 00:38:33,948
And you weren't crying?
Not even just a little?
778
00:38:34,021 --> 00:38:35,113
No.
779
00:38:35,188 --> 00:38:36,621
But I thought you
were afraid, Zachary.
780
00:38:36,690 --> 00:38:38,954
I thought you were
afraid of Jeremy.
781
00:38:39,026 --> 00:38:40,220
No, I wasn't.
782
00:38:40,294 --> 00:38:43,457
And you were also afraid of that woman
because she was going to call the police.
783
00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:44,588
She was afraid of me.
784
00:38:44,665 --> 00:38:47,133
And you wanted to show
them both that you were a man,
785
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,599
and that's why you
had sex with her.
786
00:38:48,669 --> 00:38:51,729
Well, that was her fault because she
wouldn't tell me where the money was.
787
00:38:51,805 --> 00:38:55,036
Jeremy was crying! He wouldn't
do anything so I had to do it!
788
00:38:55,108 --> 00:38:58,475
If she had just told me where the money
was, I wouldn't have had to hurt her!
789
00:39:01,615 --> 00:39:03,207
Nothing further.
790
00:39:13,427 --> 00:39:15,054
Five to 10 years.
791
00:39:15,696 --> 00:39:17,789
He wouldn't get out
until he was 24?
792
00:39:17,864 --> 00:39:20,992
It's the minimum sentence. With
good behavior, he's out in five.
793
00:39:21,068 --> 00:39:24,162
But if they say not guilty,
he won't go to jail at all.
794
00:39:24,237 --> 00:39:28,697
The jury will not say that.
The law is very clear.
795
00:39:28,775 --> 00:39:30,743
Jeremy already admitted
to being in the apartment
796
00:39:30,811 --> 00:39:33,712
with the intent to burglarize
it and someone was killed.
797
00:39:34,715 --> 00:39:37,115
He can still be found
guilty of felony murder.
798
00:39:37,184 --> 00:39:39,778
You want me to tell you
to send my son to jail.
799
00:39:39,853 --> 00:39:42,617
Why don't we take a day
to think about this?
800
00:39:42,689 --> 00:39:44,714
No. I don't need
to think about it.
801
00:39:44,791 --> 00:39:47,988
The answer is no.
He didn't hurt anyone.
802
00:39:48,061 --> 00:39:53,499
Mrs. Brice, if Jeremy is convicted,
he is facing a possible life sentence.
803
00:39:56,236 --> 00:40:00,036
Miss Bernardo, please tell your client's
mother how rare jury nullification is.
804
00:40:00,107 --> 00:40:01,734
We should take the deal.
805
00:40:02,509 --> 00:40:04,773
I don't like taking
chances with the jury.
806
00:40:05,545 --> 00:40:06,603
They heard that other boy.
807
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,343
They know Jeremy is good, and
they won't send him to jail.
808
00:40:10,917 --> 00:40:12,214
No.
809
00:40:12,786 --> 00:40:14,014
No deal.
810
00:40:22,496 --> 00:40:25,727
Ladies and gentlemen of the
jury, have you reached a verdict?
811
00:40:25,799 --> 00:40:27,562
We have, Your Honor.
812
00:40:28,135 --> 00:40:31,366
On the first count, murder in the
second degree, how do you find?
813
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:34,573
We find the defendant guilty.
814
00:40:34,641 --> 00:40:36,108
No!
815
00:40:39,346 --> 00:40:43,146
On the second count, burglary in
the first degree, how do you find?
816
00:40:43,216 --> 00:40:45,411
We find
the defendant guilty.
817
00:40:49,656 --> 00:40:51,681
Poll the jury, Your Honor.
818
00:40:51,758 --> 00:40:54,454
Juror number one,
what is your verdict?
819
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:58,120
Guilty.
820
00:40:58,198 --> 00:40:59,324
Juror number two?
821
00:40:59,399 --> 00:41:00,491
Guilty.
822
00:41:01,835 --> 00:41:03,564
Juror number three?
823
00:41:04,071 --> 00:41:05,265
Guilty.
824
00:41:05,972 --> 00:41:07,667
Juror number four?
825
00:41:07,741 --> 00:41:08,833
Guilty.
826
00:41:08,909 --> 00:41:10,570
Juror number five?
827
00:41:10,644 --> 00:41:11,770
Guilty.
828
00:41:11,845 --> 00:41:13,142
Juror number six?
829
00:41:13,213 --> 00:41:14,475
Guilty.
830
00:41:14,548 --> 00:41:16,641
Juror number seven?
831
00:41:16,717 --> 00:41:17,945
Guilty.
66545
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