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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:32,266 --> 00:00:33,601 - I'd come to this project with many 2 00:00:33,601 --> 00:00:35,536 of the same assumptions that you have, 3 00:00:36,570 --> 00:00:38,773 concerning the Jersey double murders 4 00:00:38,773 --> 00:00:40,374 and the guilt of Jim Suerd. 5 00:00:41,409 --> 00:00:43,344 His characterization is a troubled young man, 6 00:00:43,344 --> 00:00:45,546 responsible for a spree of horrific, 7 00:00:45,546 --> 00:00:48,482 ritualistic homicides in the Pine Barrens. 8 00:00:49,683 --> 00:00:51,585 The question in my mind was why? 9 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,388 Why would a man commit such crimes? 10 00:00:55,756 --> 00:00:58,392 After reviewing hours of archived footage 11 00:00:58,392 --> 00:01:01,629 generated by Steven Avkast and Locus Wheeler, 12 00:01:01,629 --> 00:01:04,098 the hosts of "Fact or Fiction", 13 00:01:04,098 --> 00:01:06,200 I've been forced to change my perspective. 14 00:01:07,535 --> 00:01:09,637 The question now for me is what? 15 00:01:11,038 --> 00:01:13,340 What really happened that night 16 00:01:13,340 --> 00:01:15,676 and is Jim Suerd truly responsible? 17 00:01:17,611 --> 00:01:19,713 Ironically, in the course of this project, 18 00:01:20,581 --> 00:01:23,751 Jim Suerd has died in prison under mysterious causes. 19 00:01:24,819 --> 00:01:27,388 His death will forever shroud the reconciliation 20 00:01:27,388 --> 00:01:28,389 of this case. 21 00:01:31,258 --> 00:01:34,695 As they said on "Fact or Fiction", "You decide." 22 00:01:58,385 --> 00:02:00,354 911, what is your emergency? 23 00:02:01,288 --> 00:02:02,723 My name is Jim Suerd. 24 00:02:02,723 --> 00:02:04,492 I just hitchhiked here from... 25 00:02:04,492 --> 00:02:05,626 from the middle of pine barrens 26 00:02:05,626 --> 00:02:07,661 and I can't seem to get, 27 00:02:07,661 --> 00:02:09,263 I can't seem to find the people 28 00:02:09,263 --> 00:02:10,698 that I was in the Pine Barrens with, 29 00:02:10,698 --> 00:02:13,100 and I was camping with them last night doing a project 30 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:14,001 Are you lost? 31 00:02:14,001 --> 00:02:15,236 I'm not lost. 32 00:02:15,236 --> 00:02:17,605 I'm just trying, I can't find the people 33 00:02:17,605 --> 00:02:20,207 who drove me here and, 34 00:02:21,108 --> 00:02:22,409 You know I looked around for them 35 00:02:22,409 --> 00:02:24,512 and I went back to the site where we had parked 36 00:02:24,512 --> 00:02:25,513 and they're not at the van 37 00:02:25,513 --> 00:02:26,447 and they're nowhere to be found 38 00:02:26,447 --> 00:02:28,282 like I don't know where they are. 39 00:02:28,282 --> 00:02:30,317 Their vehicle is still there? 40 00:02:30,317 --> 00:02:32,253 The vehicle's still there and I had to 41 00:02:32,253 --> 00:02:33,521 hitchhike to this payphone. 42 00:02:33,521 --> 00:02:36,490 How far are you from the vehicle right now? 43 00:02:37,591 --> 00:02:39,260 I'm about five five, 44 00:02:39,260 --> 00:02:42,263 somewhere you know five, 10 miles from it I don't know. 45 00:02:42,263 --> 00:02:43,130 Okay, Jim. 46 00:02:43,130 --> 00:02:44,431 We'll send someone out. 47 00:02:44,431 --> 00:02:46,667 Yeah it would be a good idea, 48 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:48,202 I got a really bad feeling about it. 49 00:02:48,202 --> 00:02:50,171 You might want to send somebody out quickly, 50 00:02:50,171 --> 00:02:51,372 I have a bad feeling- 51 00:03:01,048 --> 00:03:02,716 - WBRK time it is five o'clock. 52 00:03:02,716 --> 00:03:05,119 It's time for that afternoon drive that you love so much. 53 00:03:05,119 --> 00:03:06,720 Hey, guess who made missing reports? 54 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,056 It's those hosts from "Fact or Fiction". 55 00:03:09,056 --> 00:03:10,257 Missing. Ha 56 00:03:10,257 --> 00:03:12,193 Bob, you know those guys gonna be showing up sometime 57 00:03:12,193 --> 00:03:14,528 in the next day saying, "Surprise did you miss us?" 58 00:03:14,528 --> 00:03:16,664 Let's go to the phones and we'll ask you. 59 00:03:16,664 --> 00:03:17,531 Do you miss them? 60 00:03:24,572 --> 00:03:26,173 - We have found bodies. 61 00:03:26,173 --> 00:03:28,008 At this time we don't know who they are, 62 00:03:28,008 --> 00:03:29,176 or how many we have found. 63 00:03:30,711 --> 00:03:33,514 We cannot assume at this time that it is 64 00:03:33,514 --> 00:03:34,582 the "Fact or Fiction" crew. 65 00:03:41,155 --> 00:03:45,059 At this time, we have arrested Jim Suerd 66 00:03:45,059 --> 00:03:48,062 for the murders of Rein Clackin and Locus Wheeler. 67 00:03:49,463 --> 00:03:51,265 - Behind me is a house where Jim Suerd 68 00:03:51,265 --> 00:03:54,768 resided until his arrest nearly seven months ago. 69 00:03:54,768 --> 00:03:58,105 Inside, amongst his dirty laundry, blood evidence was found, 70 00:03:58,105 --> 00:04:01,475 linking him to the grisly "Fact or Fiction" murders. 71 00:04:01,475 --> 00:04:04,011 Today, Jim's own life hangs in the balance 72 00:04:04,011 --> 00:04:06,247 as jurors decide his fate. 73 00:04:17,625 --> 00:04:20,327 I had heard of the "Fact or Fiction" murders. 74 00:04:20,327 --> 00:04:23,163 They were big news for a period of one year, 75 00:04:23,163 --> 00:04:26,667 and then like so many things in today's fast-paced world, 76 00:04:26,667 --> 00:04:27,534 were forgotten. 77 00:04:30,204 --> 00:04:32,740 I was intrigued by how this case, this story, 78 00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:34,775 was so well documented. 79 00:04:34,775 --> 00:04:37,444 How, in spite of the remote location of the murders, 80 00:04:37,444 --> 00:04:40,481 and the rural nature of the people prosecuting Jim, 81 00:04:40,481 --> 00:04:43,284 that these were murders of a high tech age. 82 00:04:43,284 --> 00:04:45,386 I was intrigued by the fact that the four individuals 83 00:04:45,386 --> 00:04:47,688 were indeed children of a digital age. 84 00:04:48,722 --> 00:04:52,059 Mostly though, I wondered why the man named Jim Suerd 85 00:04:52,059 --> 00:04:54,561 would commit such horrendous acts of violence. 86 00:05:25,326 --> 00:05:27,394 - This is Johnny- - And Locus. 87 00:05:27,394 --> 00:05:29,663 - And we are live in the Pine Barrens where tonight 88 00:05:29,663 --> 00:05:34,268 we are doing a first-ever, internet broadcast, cable, 89 00:05:34,268 --> 00:05:39,306 ham radio, broadcast all live, all real 90 00:05:39,573 --> 00:05:42,343 and we are doing it with the help of a psychic 91 00:05:42,343 --> 00:05:43,210 and a sound man 92 00:05:43,210 --> 00:05:46,647 who has the ability to record sounds from other worlds, 93 00:05:46,647 --> 00:05:48,349 otherworldly sounds. 94 00:05:48,349 --> 00:05:49,817 - Yeah, that's right, Steven. 95 00:05:49,817 --> 00:05:53,053 We're here in the Pine Barrens southern New Jersey 96 00:05:53,053 --> 00:05:54,788 live and direct, coming right at you 97 00:05:54,788 --> 00:05:57,224 in your living room, first-ever web 98 00:05:57,224 --> 00:06:00,494 simulcast cable-cast and everybody 99 00:06:00,494 --> 00:06:03,330 is on the edge of their seat and I know you are, 100 00:06:03,330 --> 00:06:06,333 because I am and I'm sure Steven is too. 101 00:06:06,333 --> 00:06:08,635 - A little later we're gonna be showing you the campsite, 102 00:06:08,635 --> 00:06:10,771 but right now we're gonna do a little recapping, 103 00:06:10,771 --> 00:06:15,008 and you're gonna see some tape of the history of the legend 104 00:06:15,008 --> 00:06:17,277 of the Pine Barrens and the Jersey Devil. 105 00:06:22,316 --> 00:06:26,320 - They actually lived their show, "Fact or Fiction". 106 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,590 Here's this real eerie circumstances that come to play 107 00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:31,291 And they were actually the victims of it. 108 00:06:32,159 --> 00:06:33,360 - He had the opportunity. 109 00:06:35,262 --> 00:06:37,798 It appears as if he had the motive. 110 00:06:37,798 --> 00:06:42,503 He did lure those people up there in a in a veil of secrecy. 111 00:06:43,504 --> 00:06:46,240 I would say yeah he fits the profile. 112 00:06:48,308 --> 00:06:50,344 Who was Jim Suerd? 113 00:06:50,344 --> 00:06:53,514 The answer proved more difficult than I imagined. 114 00:06:53,514 --> 00:06:56,350 His mother had died four months before the murders, 115 00:06:56,350 --> 00:06:58,519 His father, five years before. 116 00:06:59,453 --> 00:07:02,022 The only two people that I was able to speak with 117 00:07:02,022 --> 00:07:05,325 that knew him personally were his landlady, 118 00:07:05,325 --> 00:07:08,262 Joyce Dryer and a childhood psychologist 119 00:07:08,262 --> 00:07:10,164 named Dr. Dale Orstall. 120 00:07:15,602 --> 00:07:18,672 - I was sort of a father figure to him, I feel. 121 00:07:18,672 --> 00:07:21,775 Sort of a surrogate father, if you will. 122 00:07:21,775 --> 00:07:24,678 He didn't talk a whole lot about his family life 123 00:07:25,979 --> 00:07:29,349 but one of the things I know 124 00:07:29,349 --> 00:07:33,353 is that his father left them when he was very young, 125 00:07:33,353 --> 00:07:34,655 ran off with another woman. 126 00:07:37,324 --> 00:07:39,159 He had few friends if any. 127 00:07:41,595 --> 00:07:43,564 Very reclusive. 128 00:07:43,564 --> 00:07:46,633 - I remember him being quite a loner. 129 00:07:46,633 --> 00:07:50,103 He seemed to stay in his room quite a bit 130 00:07:50,103 --> 00:07:52,339 when he wasn't at work. 131 00:07:52,339 --> 00:07:56,276 And the computer seemed to be a highlight 132 00:07:56,276 --> 00:08:00,481 in his in his life. 133 00:08:00,481 --> 00:08:03,050 - With the advent of the Internet, 134 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:07,054 of course he got into that years after I was seeing him. 135 00:08:07,054 --> 00:08:10,157 It wasn't even available I don't think at the time. 136 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,565 It opened up a whole new world 137 00:08:18,565 --> 00:08:20,334 for a guy like Jim. 138 00:08:20,334 --> 00:08:24,071 - Often he would be on the internet with people 139 00:08:24,071 --> 00:08:29,076 and as we know the horrible situation 140 00:08:29,276 --> 00:08:33,213 that has come up because of the internet fiasco, 141 00:08:33,213 --> 00:08:37,150 with him being blamed for these murders. 142 00:08:37,150 --> 00:08:39,319 The internet was the first of two interests 143 00:08:39,319 --> 00:08:41,154 that would attach him to the "Fact or Fiction" 144 00:08:41,154 --> 00:08:42,022 television show. 145 00:08:43,090 --> 00:08:45,659 The second interest was a bit more obscure. 146 00:08:45,659 --> 00:08:49,496 - Jim had this fascination for magic. 147 00:08:49,496 --> 00:08:50,631 I mean a true fascination, 148 00:08:50,631 --> 00:08:52,699 I mean he like I told you he was very reclusive 149 00:08:52,699 --> 00:08:55,536 so I believe he must have spent countless hours 150 00:08:55,536 --> 00:08:57,037 in his room alone 151 00:08:57,037 --> 00:08:58,539 working on tricks. 152 00:08:58,539 --> 00:09:01,575 And he used to come in and start the sessions and he had to 153 00:09:01,575 --> 00:09:04,144 show me a new trick and often 154 00:09:04,144 --> 00:09:09,149 was a simple card trick but very quickly he 155 00:09:09,483 --> 00:09:12,953 built skills and became very proficient at magic. 156 00:09:12,953 --> 00:09:15,055 The internet and magic, 157 00:09:15,055 --> 00:09:17,991 both interests generally considered harmless. 158 00:09:17,991 --> 00:09:20,627 Both interests that could have a sinister edge to them. 159 00:09:21,662 --> 00:09:24,565 Either way, it was a combination that virtually 160 00:09:24,565 --> 00:09:27,668 sealed his fate in meeting Steven Avkast and Locus Wheeler, 161 00:09:29,036 --> 00:09:30,504 The hosts of "Fact or Fiction". 162 00:09:36,176 --> 00:09:37,778 - Welcome to "Fact or Fiction". 163 00:09:40,414 --> 00:09:41,748 Welcome to "Fact or Fiction". 164 00:09:41,748 --> 00:09:42,583 Yes we are rolling. 165 00:09:42,583 --> 00:09:45,419 We are on we are ready to go. 166 00:09:45,419 --> 00:09:48,088 Locus you joker, you knew it all along that we were on, 167 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:49,289 didn't you? 168 00:09:49,289 --> 00:09:50,791 - Yeah welcome to our new show, 169 00:09:50,791 --> 00:09:53,026 well actually it's not a new show, it's got a new name. 170 00:09:53,026 --> 00:09:54,761 Thanks to everybody out there who helped us come up 171 00:09:54,761 --> 00:09:55,696 with this great name, 172 00:09:55,696 --> 00:09:56,530 "Fact or Fiction" 173 00:09:56,530 --> 00:09:57,998 - That's right. 174 00:09:57,998 --> 00:10:00,300 "Fact or Fiction" was one of those fluke successes 175 00:10:00,300 --> 00:10:03,470 that no television producer would ever predict. 176 00:10:03,470 --> 00:10:07,040 Short on production value, talent and execution, 177 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,043 It maintained a following of youth probably more amused 178 00:10:10,043 --> 00:10:12,412 by its Kitsch value than anything else. 179 00:10:13,313 --> 00:10:16,650 Steven Avkast, the creator of "Fact or Fiction" 180 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:17,818 is remembered. 181 00:10:17,818 --> 00:10:22,823 - Steven, I always got bad bad vibes about Steven, 182 00:10:22,823 --> 00:10:25,025 you know he always came in here with this, 183 00:10:25,025 --> 00:10:27,194 you know attitude that you know, 184 00:10:27,194 --> 00:10:29,763 all he was doing is making a little cable show. 185 00:10:29,763 --> 00:10:32,799 I mean, nobody ever goes anywhere with this stuff. 186 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:33,734 But he had this idea 187 00:10:33,734 --> 00:10:37,638 he was destined for stardom and was gonna be rich, you know 188 00:10:37,638 --> 00:10:40,073 millions of dollars and you know he basically 189 00:10:40,073 --> 00:10:41,541 had that that big you know 190 00:10:41,541 --> 00:10:44,378 director stereotype that you think of, 191 00:10:44,378 --> 00:10:45,712 you know, you think of the big 192 00:10:45,712 --> 00:10:48,248 Hollywood directors and I mean he really 193 00:10:48,248 --> 00:10:49,850 just had to put it in perspective. 194 00:10:51,351 --> 00:10:54,287 Steven's longtime friend, Locus Wheeler, 195 00:10:54,287 --> 00:10:56,223 was the co-host of the show. 196 00:10:56,223 --> 00:10:58,592 Their pairing was like oil and water. 197 00:10:58,592 --> 00:10:59,726 - Locus, I think, 198 00:11:01,361 --> 00:11:03,363 he and Steven would have problems 199 00:11:03,363 --> 00:11:05,499 getting along sometimes but I think 200 00:11:05,499 --> 00:11:08,669 Locus, he knew what he was doing. 201 00:11:08,669 --> 00:11:10,604 I mean with this he knew it was just a little 202 00:11:10,604 --> 00:11:14,141 cable show and I think he was just in it for the fun. 203 00:11:14,141 --> 00:11:18,311 Somehow, Steven, a misguided egomaniac and Locus, 204 00:11:18,311 --> 00:11:19,613 a sardonic slacker, 205 00:11:19,613 --> 00:11:21,415 managed to keep turning out shows 206 00:11:21,415 --> 00:11:24,084 for the better part of 1995. 207 00:11:24,084 --> 00:11:25,752 The ideas were slim. 208 00:11:25,752 --> 00:11:29,456 However, they did latch onto one idea that intrigued many. 209 00:11:29,456 --> 00:11:30,357 - We're also doing something new. 210 00:11:30,357 --> 00:11:31,658 We are on IRC tonight. 211 00:11:31,658 --> 00:11:35,328 And we have joined- - IRC is in the house. 212 00:11:35,328 --> 00:11:37,130 - You can say that, I'm saying it's swingin'. 213 00:11:37,130 --> 00:11:40,033 - Well I'll have to say one idea they came up with, 214 00:11:40,033 --> 00:11:42,536 it was actually, well at first it was pretty cool 215 00:11:42,536 --> 00:11:44,438 but it got to be pretty freaky too. 216 00:11:44,438 --> 00:11:45,839 They came up with this idea, 217 00:11:45,839 --> 00:11:48,575 you know how most TV shows will have like call ins. 218 00:11:48,575 --> 00:11:50,644 Where people call in the phone and talk, 219 00:11:50,644 --> 00:11:52,079 well they tie this into the internet 220 00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:55,816 through IRC chat, except, so people could like, you know 221 00:11:55,816 --> 00:11:58,852 ask questions on the show, but they rigged up 222 00:11:58,852 --> 00:12:01,221 some sort of text-to-speech converter so 223 00:12:01,221 --> 00:12:03,156 like whatever they typed in was actually said 224 00:12:03,156 --> 00:12:05,425 on the show like it was a voice. 225 00:12:05,425 --> 00:12:07,561 It was this idea that provided the impetus 226 00:12:07,561 --> 00:12:11,131 for what would ironically give Steven the fame he so craved. 227 00:12:11,131 --> 00:12:14,601 By the fall of 1995, the one-joke television show 228 00:12:14,601 --> 00:12:16,436 was losing popularity. 229 00:12:16,436 --> 00:12:20,340 By November, the show was about to self-destruct. 230 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:22,309 Everybody had this sense. 231 00:12:22,309 --> 00:12:26,379 - Once again, Steven in his delinquency and procrastination 232 00:12:26,379 --> 00:12:31,318 has made it so we are too late to find the snow angel. 233 00:12:34,554 --> 00:12:36,089 At this desperate time, 234 00:12:36,089 --> 00:12:38,525 Steven turned to viewer suggestions, 235 00:12:38,525 --> 00:12:41,294 one of which would take hold in his mind. 236 00:12:42,529 --> 00:12:44,698 It provided the seedling with which Steven hoped 237 00:12:44,698 --> 00:12:46,399 to rebuild the show's popularity. 238 00:12:48,368 --> 00:12:50,737 - You know we had a call we have an IRC come in 239 00:12:50,737 --> 00:12:54,374 and it's real eerie voice, I mean it drove me nuts. 240 00:12:54,374 --> 00:12:56,676 I almost couldn't stand this after a while because just 241 00:12:56,676 --> 00:12:57,778 hearing this voice like 242 00:12:57,778 --> 00:13:01,314 "Hello, why don't you do a piece on-" 243 00:13:02,482 --> 00:13:04,618 Why don't you do a show 244 00:13:04,618 --> 00:13:06,553 about the Jersey Devil? 245 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:10,791 Steven's idea was to do a first-ever 246 00:13:10,791 --> 00:13:13,627 live broadcast of "Fact or Fiction". 247 00:13:13,627 --> 00:13:15,495 It would be broadcast simultaneously 248 00:13:15,495 --> 00:13:18,265 to cable television and the Internet. 249 00:13:18,265 --> 00:13:20,433 The promotion's began immediately. 250 00:13:20,433 --> 00:13:23,303 And with ratings dropping in an ever-increasing speed, 251 00:13:23,303 --> 00:13:26,072 the concept was implemented immediately. 252 00:13:26,072 --> 00:13:27,607 - This Jersey Devil cablecast, 253 00:13:27,607 --> 00:13:30,410 I mean I for one, I knew it wasn't gonna work. 254 00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:31,578 I mean these guys couldn't even make 255 00:13:31,578 --> 00:13:33,814 a halfway decent TV Show. 256 00:13:33,814 --> 00:13:36,483 Suddenly they want to jump into doing you know 257 00:13:36,483 --> 00:13:39,085 big time live from the Pine Barrens 258 00:13:39,085 --> 00:13:41,621 and have radio and Internet and this and that and, 259 00:13:41,621 --> 00:13:43,757 I knew it was gonna be fiasco. 260 00:13:43,757 --> 00:13:47,260 I didn't really think was gonna end up like it did but, 261 00:13:47,260 --> 00:13:49,529 I knew it wasn't gonna look pretty. 262 00:13:49,529 --> 00:13:51,264 Since the show was going to air 263 00:13:51,264 --> 00:13:53,066 from a remote location, 264 00:13:53,066 --> 00:13:56,169 Steven hastily looked for people who might be able to help. 265 00:13:56,169 --> 00:13:59,372 A former employer of his, Sam woods, was approached. 266 00:14:00,207 --> 00:14:04,044 This is the room of Sam woods. 267 00:14:04,044 --> 00:14:06,112 I used to cut his grass. 268 00:14:06,112 --> 00:14:06,780 He's a filmmaker 269 00:14:08,248 --> 00:14:10,383 and he used to do soap operas and 270 00:14:13,153 --> 00:14:17,390 we're gonna ask him if he wants to direct the show 271 00:14:17,390 --> 00:14:20,760 Because I think he'd be perfect and he's a name 272 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,163 and that could really be good for us. 273 00:14:23,163 --> 00:14:25,565 So I've had to talk to Locus and try to 274 00:14:25,565 --> 00:14:27,100 convince him about it, but he's going for it, 275 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:30,370 well here they come so, I'm going to turn it down. 276 00:14:30,370 --> 00:14:32,505 - Steven- - That's right. 277 00:14:32,505 --> 00:14:35,242 - And I'm Locus. - Locus. 278 00:14:35,242 --> 00:14:36,176 - Nice to meet you. 279 00:14:39,813 --> 00:14:41,681 - Well they say that up to up to 50,000 people 280 00:14:41,681 --> 00:14:43,583 could possibly be watching at any time, 281 00:14:43,583 --> 00:14:45,518 but they don't know exactly how many 282 00:14:45,518 --> 00:14:48,021 but we're selling lots of T-shirts. 283 00:14:48,021 --> 00:14:50,724 So that's a good sign I think. 284 00:14:51,591 --> 00:14:52,759 Anyway we have this idea we want 285 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:53,793 to taking this like direction 286 00:14:53,793 --> 00:14:56,296 where it's gonna become much bigger 287 00:14:56,296 --> 00:14:57,764 and it'll be really cool if you 288 00:14:57,764 --> 00:15:00,467 could you know help us out; if you could direct the show. 289 00:15:00,467 --> 00:15:03,136 I know that you used to direct lots of soap operas. 290 00:15:03,136 --> 00:15:04,537 - Network soaps. 291 00:15:04,537 --> 00:15:05,438 Right, right. 292 00:15:06,773 --> 00:15:09,409 This union of cable access show 293 00:15:09,409 --> 00:15:13,980 and former Network soap director never made sense to anyone. 294 00:15:13,980 --> 00:15:16,182 Though it was later discovered that Steven 295 00:15:16,182 --> 00:15:18,518 was paying Sam out of his own pocket 296 00:15:18,518 --> 00:15:21,521 in an act of desperation to save "Fact or Fiction". 297 00:15:26,393 --> 00:15:30,363 We're in business yeah, yeah this is cool. 298 00:15:36,403 --> 00:15:38,672 Sam Woods, a once successful 299 00:15:38,672 --> 00:15:40,674 television soap director 300 00:15:40,674 --> 00:15:42,742 became one of the people I would question 301 00:15:42,742 --> 00:15:44,678 about these events. 302 00:15:44,678 --> 00:15:47,113 In stark contrast to his work, 303 00:15:47,113 --> 00:15:49,049 meeting him was another road sign 304 00:15:49,049 --> 00:15:51,284 on my travel into a surreal world. 305 00:15:51,284 --> 00:15:54,054 - Well, this devil hunt thing never appealed to me. 306 00:15:54,054 --> 00:15:58,191 We're getting into a pretty flaky area there, you know? 307 00:15:58,191 --> 00:16:01,261 I think the kids were they were asking for it with that one. 308 00:16:03,396 --> 00:16:06,099 Not the kind of not the kind of work I do, 309 00:16:06,099 --> 00:16:07,133 you know what I mean? 310 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:08,301 Not what I do. 311 00:16:08,301 --> 00:16:11,638 For the internet end, Jay McDowell was enlisted. 312 00:16:12,973 --> 00:16:14,741 - Well, they came to me with a seedling idea 313 00:16:14,741 --> 00:16:16,242 they said you know 314 00:16:16,242 --> 00:16:18,278 we wanna, we want to use some 315 00:16:18,278 --> 00:16:21,014 of this technology you've been using for teleconferencing 316 00:16:21,014 --> 00:16:24,317 for video conferencing and we want to, you know, 317 00:16:24,317 --> 00:16:26,019 we want to turn this into a broadcast thing. 318 00:16:26,019 --> 00:16:27,187 They had heard some talk about it 319 00:16:27,187 --> 00:16:28,555 they had seen some sites that were trying to 320 00:16:28,555 --> 00:16:30,690 do some stuff like that, so they wanted something 321 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:32,258 like that they wanted to do it 322 00:16:33,393 --> 00:16:37,263 a live, a live thing rather than like, you know, 323 00:16:37,263 --> 00:16:38,631 streaming cam video. 324 00:16:38,631 --> 00:16:42,068 They wanted to actually broadcast and compress it all live. 325 00:16:42,068 --> 00:16:44,337 So they basically just came to me with that seedling 326 00:16:44,337 --> 00:16:47,707 of an idea and I had to figure out, you know, 327 00:16:47,707 --> 00:16:49,776 the technical aspects of how to make it happen, 328 00:16:49,776 --> 00:16:51,277 and make it real and 329 00:16:52,746 --> 00:16:54,114 you know, kind of the packaging for it 330 00:16:54,114 --> 00:16:56,716 what it was really gonna be in the final product. 331 00:16:56,716 --> 00:16:58,351 Steven and Locus decided 332 00:16:58,351 --> 00:16:59,686 that they needed additional help 333 00:16:59,686 --> 00:17:01,988 at the actual location. 334 00:17:01,988 --> 00:17:04,991 They searched vaguely for a sound man and a guide 335 00:17:04,991 --> 00:17:09,195 and on December 7th, 1995, worlds collided. 336 00:17:09,195 --> 00:17:11,031 - Okay, we're at Rein's and we've come today 337 00:17:11,031 --> 00:17:14,434 to meet him in hopes that he'll be able to help us 338 00:17:14,434 --> 00:17:16,302 out on our trip to the Pine Barrens. 339 00:17:16,302 --> 00:17:18,738 Basically Rein is an audio whiz 340 00:17:18,738 --> 00:17:22,075 and supposebly he's been able to document, 341 00:17:22,075 --> 00:17:24,511 supposedly he's been able to document 342 00:17:24,511 --> 00:17:28,481 you know paranormal occurrences on tape. 343 00:17:28,481 --> 00:17:29,749 So that's what we're gonna see today. 344 00:17:29,749 --> 00:17:31,451 We're also going to be meeting Jim, 345 00:17:31,451 --> 00:17:33,686 who does some psychic things 346 00:17:33,686 --> 00:17:35,055 and we'll see, you know. 347 00:17:35,055 --> 00:17:36,356 Hopefully these guys will fit the bill 348 00:17:36,356 --> 00:17:37,690 and we'll be able to go down to 349 00:17:37,690 --> 00:17:39,192 the Pine Barrens with them, you know. 350 00:17:39,192 --> 00:17:40,794 Could use the extra help. 351 00:17:41,728 --> 00:17:42,562 Is that good? 352 00:17:42,562 --> 00:17:43,630 Yeah you got enough? 353 00:17:45,665 --> 00:17:47,200 I hope this damn mic works. 354 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,134 You ready? 355 00:17:48,134 --> 00:17:49,002 Okay. 356 00:17:52,472 --> 00:17:53,640 Remember, play it cool. 357 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,341 Play it cool. 358 00:17:55,341 --> 00:17:57,444 Is this gonna blow us this airplane sound? 359 00:17:58,745 --> 00:17:59,612 - Come on. 360 00:18:01,081 --> 00:18:02,348 - Steven, this is Rein. 361 00:18:02,348 --> 00:18:04,551 Right Rein? - Yeah. 362 00:18:04,551 --> 00:18:06,619 - I'm Locus. - Locus? 363 00:18:06,619 --> 00:18:07,754 Locus. 364 00:18:13,093 --> 00:18:16,296 - I'll just turn it off. - So you just taped us? 365 00:18:16,296 --> 00:18:18,064 - Yeah, I guess so, accidentally. 366 00:18:18,064 --> 00:18:19,165 So do you have a surveillance setup 367 00:18:19,165 --> 00:18:20,033 here or something? 368 00:18:20,033 --> 00:18:22,569 - Well, for the time being I did. 369 00:18:22,569 --> 00:18:25,338 I have like plugins, I can plug into the wall and stuff, 370 00:18:25,338 --> 00:18:26,206 if I need to. 371 00:18:26,206 --> 00:18:29,742 At one point this was like a working studio of some sort. 372 00:18:31,544 --> 00:18:33,713 I think maybe Jim has arrived now. 373 00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:36,316 Can you... 374 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:40,386 - Hi, I'm Rein. - Hey, how are you? 375 00:18:40,386 --> 00:18:43,490 - We pre-determined that we met. 376 00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:46,226 Hold on, hey hey yeah Jim what's up? 377 00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:47,627 - How are you? - Doing pretty good. 378 00:18:47,627 --> 00:18:49,996 - Lotus. - Um, Locus. 379 00:18:49,996 --> 00:18:51,297 - Locus, Locus. 380 00:18:52,565 --> 00:18:53,700 - Hi. - How are you? 381 00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:55,502 I'm Jim. 382 00:18:57,303 --> 00:18:59,239 It was inevitable that the combination 383 00:18:59,239 --> 00:19:00,340 of the internet, 384 00:19:00,340 --> 00:19:03,209 a television show about paranormal happenings, 385 00:19:03,209 --> 00:19:07,280 and similar ages, would draw Jim Suerd to "Fact or Fiction". 386 00:19:10,416 --> 00:19:15,221 - So just to give some, a little background, 387 00:19:15,221 --> 00:19:17,056 you know basically we're going to be doing this 388 00:19:17,056 --> 00:19:21,761 webcast, cablecast in the in search of the Jersey Devil, 389 00:19:21,761 --> 00:19:23,229 the Leeds devil, 390 00:19:23,229 --> 00:19:24,197 down in the Pine Barrens. 391 00:19:24,197 --> 00:19:26,699 And basically why we've gotten you guys together here is 392 00:19:26,699 --> 00:19:30,703 because you have skills regarding audio 393 00:19:30,703 --> 00:19:32,572 and paranormal activity so we're hoping 394 00:19:32,572 --> 00:19:34,307 that you can help us in that way, 395 00:19:34,307 --> 00:19:36,309 and you have these psychic abilities. 396 00:19:36,309 --> 00:19:37,577 - Psychic abilities, 397 00:19:37,577 --> 00:19:41,414 I feel that I can, I can really help out. 398 00:19:41,414 --> 00:19:43,016 I understand what you're trying to do and 399 00:19:43,016 --> 00:19:45,018 I really think that I can help out. 400 00:19:45,018 --> 00:19:47,387 - You can help us find help us find a location. 401 00:19:47,387 --> 00:19:50,223 You can help us tap into whatever we need. 402 00:19:50,223 --> 00:19:51,791 - I can pinpoint that location. 403 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,629 - Jim came to me one day and told me 404 00:19:56,629 --> 00:19:59,999 how excited he was that he had met these 405 00:19:59,999 --> 00:20:01,734 people over the Internet. 406 00:20:01,734 --> 00:20:05,805 It was some show, "Fact or Fiction", 407 00:20:05,805 --> 00:20:10,109 and he was to be their guide in the Pine Barrens 408 00:20:10,109 --> 00:20:14,314 and what really amazed me, I just didn't think 409 00:20:14,314 --> 00:20:18,618 he knew or had any knowledge of the Pine Barrens to be able 410 00:20:18,618 --> 00:20:20,753 to even be a guide. 411 00:20:20,753 --> 00:20:23,790 But he seemed so excited about it. 412 00:20:25,358 --> 00:20:26,359 - Is this, is this good? 413 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,361 - Do you want to hold them up or do you want me to just... 414 00:20:30,129 --> 00:20:31,464 - Just like this. 415 00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:33,266 Don't touch, you can't touch. 416 00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:34,100 Okay. 417 00:20:36,703 --> 00:20:37,604 - Six Spade. 418 00:20:41,841 --> 00:20:42,742 Seven Spade. 419 00:20:44,344 --> 00:20:45,211 Four Spade. 420 00:20:49,749 --> 00:20:50,583 Five Spade 421 00:20:52,185 --> 00:20:53,052 Eight Club. 422 00:20:54,287 --> 00:20:55,154 Eight Diamond. 423 00:21:06,165 --> 00:21:07,367 Come on, man. 424 00:21:12,739 --> 00:21:16,709 - I saw him probably about two or three weeks 425 00:21:16,709 --> 00:21:19,312 before the incident. 426 00:21:19,312 --> 00:21:22,482 I ran into him at a shopping mall. 427 00:21:22,482 --> 00:21:27,487 And he was very excited about his life. 428 00:21:27,587 --> 00:21:31,057 He said he was studying acting. 429 00:21:31,057 --> 00:21:33,826 His magic was coming together. 430 00:21:33,826 --> 00:21:35,628 People were appreciating it. 431 00:21:35,628 --> 00:21:38,731 Combined with the acting, I guess he did a few gigs 432 00:21:38,731 --> 00:21:40,566 on a small level but it was 433 00:21:40,566 --> 00:21:42,502 it was going very very well. 434 00:21:51,611 --> 00:21:53,546 Give him more ashes. 435 00:21:53,546 --> 00:21:55,448 There's something on his arm. 436 00:21:55,448 --> 00:21:56,316 His arm. 437 00:22:01,721 --> 00:22:04,023 1395. 438 00:22:04,023 --> 00:22:05,024 What does this mean? 439 00:22:07,327 --> 00:22:08,528 - I don't know. 440 00:22:13,066 --> 00:22:14,033 Back off, back off. 441 00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:15,802 Are you recording this? 442 00:22:18,271 --> 00:22:20,173 Was Jim psychic? 443 00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:22,075 It was not likely. 444 00:22:22,075 --> 00:22:23,343 The card demonstration, 445 00:22:23,343 --> 00:22:26,212 and the supposed psychic fit, in which numbers appeared 446 00:22:26,212 --> 00:22:27,246 on his arm, 447 00:22:27,246 --> 00:22:29,382 were nothing more than simple tricks 448 00:22:29,382 --> 00:22:30,817 known to any amateur magician. 449 00:22:32,218 --> 00:22:36,689 To Steven and Locus, Rein Clackin and Jim Suerd were perfect 450 00:22:36,689 --> 00:22:38,458 for "Fact or Fiction". 451 00:22:38,458 --> 00:22:41,594 Youthful, eager and strange. 452 00:22:52,338 --> 00:22:55,708 On December 15th 1995, 453 00:22:55,708 --> 00:22:58,578 Steven Avkast, Locus Wheeler, 454 00:22:58,578 --> 00:23:01,514 Rein Clackin and Jim Suerd 455 00:23:01,514 --> 00:23:03,783 headed for the Pine Barrens of New Jersey 456 00:23:03,783 --> 00:23:05,651 to do a live broadcast 457 00:23:05,651 --> 00:23:07,453 in search of the Jersey Devil. 458 00:23:08,788 --> 00:23:11,691 Jim Suerd would be the only one to return. 459 00:23:15,228 --> 00:23:17,330 911, what is your emergency? 460 00:23:18,398 --> 00:23:20,533 My name is Jim Suerd and I just hitchhiked here 461 00:23:20,533 --> 00:23:23,169 from the middle of Pine Barrens. 462 00:23:23,169 --> 00:23:25,638 And I can't seem to get, I can't seem 463 00:23:25,638 --> 00:23:27,540 to find the people that I was in the Pine Barrens with 464 00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:30,243 and I was camping with them last night doing a project. 465 00:23:30,243 --> 00:23:31,244 Are you lost? 466 00:23:31,244 --> 00:23:33,579 I'm not lost, I'm just trying to, 467 00:23:33,579 --> 00:23:36,749 I can't find the people that drove me here. 468 00:23:36,749 --> 00:23:40,186 And you know I looked around for them and I went back 469 00:23:40,186 --> 00:23:41,454 to the site where we had parked 470 00:23:41,454 --> 00:23:43,089 and they're not at the van and they're nowhere 471 00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:45,391 to be found like I don't know where they are. 472 00:23:45,391 --> 00:23:47,560 Their vehicle is still there? 473 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,428 The vehicle is still there. 474 00:23:48,428 --> 00:23:50,596 And I had to hitchhike to this payphone. 475 00:23:50,596 --> 00:23:53,466 How far are you from the vehicle right now? 476 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,103 I'm about five, five, somewhere, you know, 477 00:23:57,103 --> 00:23:58,304 five, 10 miles from it. 478 00:23:58,304 --> 00:23:59,338 I don't know. 479 00:23:59,338 --> 00:24:01,607 Okay Jim, we'll send someone out. 480 00:24:01,607 --> 00:24:04,677 - After Mr. Suerd made the call, 481 00:24:04,677 --> 00:24:06,712 we went to the area that he specified 482 00:24:06,712 --> 00:24:09,482 and did a preliminary look around, 483 00:24:10,416 --> 00:24:14,053 under a missing-persons investigation. 484 00:24:14,053 --> 00:24:16,255 - I mean I just figured that was one of the little stints 485 00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:19,992 to do just to try to get that extra sensationalism. 486 00:24:19,992 --> 00:24:22,662 So I didn't think anything of it at first. 487 00:24:22,662 --> 00:24:26,399 You know I kind of expected them to try something like that. 488 00:24:26,399 --> 00:24:27,733 We have a 187. 489 00:24:27,733 --> 00:24:29,402 Repeat, we have a 187. 490 00:24:30,636 --> 00:24:33,172 This isn't a missing person's report anymore. 491 00:24:34,207 --> 00:24:35,041 912? 492 00:24:36,676 --> 00:24:37,610 We're clear. 493 00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:39,812 Do you need emergency support? 494 00:24:39,812 --> 00:24:41,614 1012 495 00:24:41,614 --> 00:24:42,482 No. 496 00:24:42,482 --> 00:24:44,684 This guy's definitely DOA. 497 00:24:44,684 --> 00:24:48,287 - One body we found approximately 2.5 miles 498 00:24:48,287 --> 00:24:49,689 from the campsite. 499 00:24:50,656 --> 00:24:53,693 The other body, we found approximately three miles 500 00:24:53,693 --> 00:24:55,161 from the campsite. 501 00:24:55,161 --> 00:24:57,663 The body of Steven Avkast was never found. 502 00:24:58,764 --> 00:25:02,168 Large amounts of blood in the snow and a hat 503 00:25:02,168 --> 00:25:04,303 were all that remained of this third victim. 504 00:25:05,605 --> 00:25:07,540 - In any murder investigation, 505 00:25:07,540 --> 00:25:11,310 anybody associated with the victims is a suspect. 506 00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:14,380 Our job is to eliminate suspects based 507 00:25:14,380 --> 00:25:18,017 on the evidence that we sift through and that we gather, 508 00:25:18,017 --> 00:25:19,719 and as we sifted through 509 00:25:19,719 --> 00:25:21,687 and gathered this evidence there was 510 00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:25,591 only one suspect left at the end and that was Mr. Jim Suerd. 511 00:25:27,326 --> 00:25:29,395 Who led everybody to the site? 512 00:25:29,395 --> 00:25:30,263 I did. 513 00:25:30,263 --> 00:25:31,130 You did. 514 00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:32,164 Did anybody else know where you were going 515 00:25:32,164 --> 00:25:33,499 to set up and camp? 516 00:25:33,499 --> 00:25:38,237 Well, I was asked to uh, to find a place to camp. 517 00:25:38,237 --> 00:25:41,574 And I thought that I was doing a good job at it 518 00:25:41,574 --> 00:25:44,410 and Rein continued to provoke me and uh 519 00:25:46,012 --> 00:25:47,747 and then give me a hard time about my ability 520 00:25:47,747 --> 00:25:48,748 to locate the place 521 00:25:48,748 --> 00:25:52,418 that we would camp and ultimately it just 522 00:25:52,418 --> 00:25:56,289 led to an argument and I ran away from the group. 523 00:25:56,289 --> 00:25:57,757 Did you hit him first? 524 00:25:58,658 --> 00:26:01,027 I don't know, I might have pushed him. 525 00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:05,097 Sometimes I can't remember if I, you know. 526 00:26:05,097 --> 00:26:10,102 I ran away from group and I found the spot that I thought 527 00:26:10,102 --> 00:26:12,171 would be good to locate the Jersey Devil. 528 00:26:13,506 --> 00:26:15,575 - After we got the permission from the state 529 00:26:15,575 --> 00:26:17,376 of Pennsylvania to search 530 00:26:17,376 --> 00:26:21,180 Mr. Suerd's residence, we went to his residence 531 00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:23,115 and we did conduct a search 532 00:26:23,115 --> 00:26:27,019 for anything that we felt would help us in this case 533 00:26:27,019 --> 00:26:28,988 and we did find the garments 534 00:26:28,988 --> 00:26:30,523 that Mr. Suerd was wearing that night, 535 00:26:30,523 --> 00:26:33,059 with the blood of the three victims on it. 536 00:26:33,059 --> 00:26:35,194 Interestingly, the garments that Mr. Suerd 537 00:26:35,194 --> 00:26:37,363 was wearing were merely 538 00:26:37,363 --> 00:26:39,332 lying right on his bedroom floor, 539 00:26:39,332 --> 00:26:41,734 along with the other dirty laundry that was there. 540 00:26:45,705 --> 00:26:47,707 Even as Jim was arrested, 541 00:26:47,707 --> 00:26:49,709 the evidence continued to mount against him. 542 00:26:53,045 --> 00:26:57,483 - We could tell that the nature of the blows 543 00:26:57,483 --> 00:26:59,352 with the weapons that were used 544 00:26:59,352 --> 00:27:04,156 were consistent with the size and build of the accused. 545 00:27:05,057 --> 00:27:09,528 In this case it was very clear that the attacker 546 00:27:09,528 --> 00:27:14,000 was using both hands with two weapons and was ambidextrous. 547 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,402 And the suspect in this case is ambidextrous, 548 00:27:16,402 --> 00:27:17,703 which is quite rare. 549 00:27:18,738 --> 00:27:20,740 - He was the only survivor 550 00:27:21,641 --> 00:27:23,976 in the place where nobody else was. 551 00:27:23,976 --> 00:27:25,645 It doesn't look that good for him. 552 00:27:27,346 --> 00:27:29,115 - Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 553 00:27:29,115 --> 00:27:32,318 we will show that on December 15th 1995, 554 00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:35,121 Jim Suerd maliciously and with premeditation 555 00:27:35,121 --> 00:27:37,590 killed Rein Clackin and Locus Wheeler. 556 00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:39,158 We will show, without doubt, 557 00:27:39,158 --> 00:27:42,028 how he planned this well in advance of that day. 558 00:27:42,028 --> 00:27:44,463 We will show, with video shot by the deceased, 559 00:27:44,463 --> 00:27:48,300 that Jim Suerd was, and is, a devious and cunning person. 560 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:49,769 Using the guise of psychic 561 00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:52,104 to perpetrate these horrible acts. 562 00:27:53,606 --> 00:27:55,174 The proceedings that summer turned out 563 00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:56,442 to be one of the greatest spectacles 564 00:27:56,442 --> 00:27:58,144 of Baroake County history. 565 00:27:58,144 --> 00:28:00,546 The trial attracted a strange assemblage of cult followers, 566 00:28:00,546 --> 00:28:03,315 ritual homicide fanatics and others seeking 567 00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:05,251 to satisfy their morbid curiosities. 568 00:28:06,385 --> 00:28:07,953 Eventually, it became a matter of trying 569 00:28:07,953 --> 00:28:09,722 to keep the tabloid press at bay. 570 00:28:09,722 --> 00:28:12,091 An effort which was not entirely successful. 571 00:28:12,091 --> 00:28:13,626 - When the court case came up, 572 00:28:15,094 --> 00:28:18,998 the media frenzy was hysterical. 573 00:28:18,998 --> 00:28:21,567 I felt like they were, you know, 574 00:28:21,567 --> 00:28:24,503 somebody was watching me like every minute. 575 00:28:24,503 --> 00:28:26,539 They were talking to everybody, 576 00:28:26,539 --> 00:28:29,508 everybody who had the slightest thing to do with the show. 577 00:28:29,508 --> 00:28:30,776 Who knows, they probably even talked 578 00:28:30,776 --> 00:28:33,579 to every single viewer that said they watched the show. 579 00:28:35,648 --> 00:28:37,316 Reporters day in and day out 580 00:28:37,316 --> 00:28:41,387 and police here just taking everything they could; 581 00:28:41,387 --> 00:28:44,490 every videotape, every prop, 582 00:28:44,490 --> 00:28:47,259 and I mean it was ridiculous. 583 00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:48,627 I don't know what they were looking for, 584 00:28:48,627 --> 00:28:51,097 all they were getting was a bunch of bad television. 585 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,768 In an election year, 586 00:28:55,768 --> 00:28:57,236 what the prosecution was looking 587 00:28:57,236 --> 00:29:00,039 for was an open and shut case. 588 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,608 And in the state of New Jersey versus Jim Suerd, 589 00:29:02,608 --> 00:29:04,243 they found it. 590 00:29:04,243 --> 00:29:07,046 Not content to leave any stone unturned 591 00:29:07,046 --> 00:29:09,048 they decided to utilize the very video that 592 00:29:09,048 --> 00:29:11,751 Steven Avkast and Locus Wheeler had shot. 593 00:29:12,685 --> 00:29:15,321 The man, who would later by the press come 594 00:29:15,321 --> 00:29:17,423 to be known as "The killer cutter", 595 00:29:17,423 --> 00:29:19,258 was hired to go through this video. 596 00:29:19,258 --> 00:29:22,128 And put together an incriminating image of Jim Suerd. 597 00:29:23,696 --> 00:29:25,965 - The prosecution contacted me 598 00:29:25,965 --> 00:29:30,202 in early January 1996. 599 00:29:30,202 --> 00:29:34,106 They had a pretty good case against him, it seemed to me 600 00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:35,241 from what I saw. 601 00:29:36,442 --> 00:29:39,578 They had blood evidence, they'd found the blood 602 00:29:39,578 --> 00:29:41,714 and you know this was the only guy there. 603 00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:46,352 And he was the only one that knew where it was. 604 00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:51,090 But they wanted to clinch this case. 605 00:29:51,090 --> 00:29:53,325 They didn't want, they really wanted to get him. 606 00:29:53,325 --> 00:29:56,362 They didn't want there to be any question 607 00:29:56,362 --> 00:29:57,363 that he had done it. 608 00:29:58,397 --> 00:30:01,333 So they came to me with all this videotape, 609 00:30:01,333 --> 00:30:03,636 like 15 hours of videotape. 610 00:30:03,636 --> 00:30:08,073 And this was video that these guys who did this cable show 611 00:30:08,073 --> 00:30:10,176 had shot on location. 612 00:30:10,176 --> 00:30:12,111 I'd never really edited anything like, 613 00:30:12,111 --> 00:30:13,813 I mean I'd never seen anything like this before, 614 00:30:13,813 --> 00:30:17,516 I mean this was like video from the crime scene. 615 00:30:17,516 --> 00:30:20,286 And normally, you know, I've got, you know, 616 00:30:20,286 --> 00:30:22,021 hours and hours of people 617 00:30:22,021 --> 00:30:25,157 talking heads like, you know in some room 618 00:30:25,157 --> 00:30:27,159 somewhere badly shot. 619 00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:28,661 This was badly shot but at least it was 620 00:30:28,661 --> 00:30:30,696 out in the woods, you know. 621 00:30:30,696 --> 00:30:32,231 It was different. 622 00:30:32,231 --> 00:30:33,666 The prosecution's video 623 00:30:33,666 --> 00:30:35,801 was intended to show facts. 624 00:30:35,801 --> 00:30:39,438 Perhaps, not inadvertently, it also created an intimacy 625 00:30:39,438 --> 00:30:40,773 with the murdered three, 626 00:30:40,773 --> 00:30:43,108 that the defense was unhappy with. 627 00:30:43,108 --> 00:30:45,644 - We're stopping to get some gasoline. 628 00:30:45,644 --> 00:30:48,647 They protested it, deeming it an unfair swaying 629 00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:50,115 towards a guilty verdict. 630 00:30:51,383 --> 00:30:53,219 This was not enough reason for the video 631 00:30:53,219 --> 00:30:56,689 to be struck down and so it was used. 632 00:30:58,424 --> 00:31:01,327 The first point demonstrated that Jim was indeed 633 00:31:01,327 --> 00:31:03,596 leading the group into very remote regions 634 00:31:03,596 --> 00:31:05,397 of the Pine Barrens. 635 00:31:05,397 --> 00:31:08,400 Areas where there was no hope for help or aid 636 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,668 from the civilized world. 637 00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:12,738 The following represents excerpts 638 00:31:12,738 --> 00:31:15,608 from the first section of the prosecution video. 639 00:31:15,608 --> 00:31:19,445 Over 54 minutes of video, showing the four wandering deeper 640 00:31:19,445 --> 00:31:21,680 into the pines, was shot. 641 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,783 It is estimated that the four walked for more than two hours 642 00:31:24,783 --> 00:31:27,286 before Jim finally decided upon the location 643 00:31:27,286 --> 00:31:28,687 of their operations. 644 00:31:28,687 --> 00:31:29,755 Hey guys he's starting to go. 645 00:31:29,755 --> 00:31:31,357 Let's get the stuff together. 646 00:31:34,126 --> 00:31:35,327 So what's the deal, Jim? 647 00:31:36,362 --> 00:31:40,232 - Something's come right through here. 648 00:31:42,501 --> 00:31:45,371 When Jim finally found the perfect location, 649 00:31:45,371 --> 00:31:46,739 it was more than three miles 650 00:31:46,739 --> 00:31:49,308 from their van and the nearest access road. 651 00:31:53,112 --> 00:31:56,048 The second point was to make evident a defendant 652 00:31:56,048 --> 00:31:57,750 who had an agenda. 653 00:31:57,750 --> 00:32:00,252 An agenda warped enough to commit these murders. 654 00:32:05,524 --> 00:32:10,462 - I've been contacting the supernatural world 655 00:32:10,462 --> 00:32:11,630 for the last week. 656 00:32:12,731 --> 00:32:15,034 Last couple days I've been 657 00:32:15,034 --> 00:32:17,236 in contact, getting my spiritual self together 658 00:32:17,236 --> 00:32:18,804 for this journey. 659 00:32:18,804 --> 00:32:22,474 We've put ourselves out on and 660 00:32:24,543 --> 00:32:28,280 we are headed in the right direction, I can assure you. 661 00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:31,183 I can feel it. 662 00:32:31,183 --> 00:32:34,653 It's a gut instinct in my body that, 663 00:32:35,688 --> 00:32:37,523 we're going to find the Leeds devil, 664 00:32:39,124 --> 00:32:40,693 and we're going to settle this case, 665 00:32:43,329 --> 00:32:44,630 once and for all. 666 00:32:46,398 --> 00:32:51,070 I feel that I know what I'm doing here and for you 667 00:32:52,338 --> 00:32:54,039 is perfectly authentic. 668 00:32:56,809 --> 00:33:01,413 I have a feeling inside, it's it's a definite feeling, 669 00:33:01,413 --> 00:33:05,351 we are at a place where with the Jersey Devil, 670 00:33:05,351 --> 00:33:07,219 we will encounter the Jersey Devil. 671 00:33:10,189 --> 00:33:12,725 I know we're headed in the right direction. 672 00:33:12,725 --> 00:33:15,327 Repeated phrases such as, 673 00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:16,528 "We're going to settle this thing 674 00:33:16,528 --> 00:33:18,063 "once and for all" 675 00:33:18,063 --> 00:33:21,800 and "I know we're headed in the right direction", 676 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,803 seemed to clearly show Jim's agenda. 677 00:33:24,803 --> 00:33:27,539 It didn't take much to read into these phrases, 678 00:33:27,539 --> 00:33:30,743 and see an individual with a plan that was to be carried out 679 00:33:30,743 --> 00:33:32,411 in the desolate Pine Barrens. 680 00:33:36,648 --> 00:33:39,318 As the prosecution's video progressed, 681 00:33:39,318 --> 00:33:41,353 Jim's personality changed 682 00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:43,722 from a quiet and shy person, 683 00:33:43,722 --> 00:33:46,759 to one that presented the prosecution with an opportunity 684 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:50,162 to show the violent nature just below the surface. 685 00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:52,731 - Look man, 686 00:33:55,434 --> 00:33:57,436 I'll see you back at camp, man! 687 00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:04,510 I don't know what Jim's doing. 688 00:34:04,510 --> 00:34:05,711 I think he's talking about burning something. 689 00:34:05,711 --> 00:34:07,346 An agenda proven, 690 00:34:07,346 --> 00:34:09,782 and a potential violent streak proven, 691 00:34:09,782 --> 00:34:12,985 the prosecution solidified their first-degree murder case 692 00:34:12,985 --> 00:34:16,155 against Suerd with video taken in the barn. 693 00:34:16,155 --> 00:34:17,623 Video in which the original date 694 00:34:17,623 --> 00:34:19,591 of the trip appeared on Suerd's arm. 695 00:34:20,793 --> 00:34:23,195 The defense attempted to have this also struck 696 00:34:23,195 --> 00:34:24,430 from the records, 697 00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:26,432 claiming the video of Suerd to be that 698 00:34:26,432 --> 00:34:28,200 of a character he was playing. 699 00:34:29,068 --> 00:34:31,103 The prosecution countered by agreeing fully 700 00:34:31,103 --> 00:34:34,740 with this assessment of Suerd and the events in the barn. 701 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:37,142 Events that had taken place a full two weeks 702 00:34:37,142 --> 00:34:38,444 before the trip; 703 00:34:38,444 --> 00:34:41,046 the best argument for premeditated murder. 704 00:35:09,041 --> 00:35:11,176 The trip began at sunrise. 705 00:35:11,176 --> 00:35:14,213 Steven ran a video camera much of the time, 706 00:35:14,213 --> 00:35:16,181 documenting what should have been amusing 707 00:35:16,181 --> 00:35:17,549 but banal preparation. 708 00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:25,324 Locus, do you wanna do a blurb about? 709 00:35:25,324 --> 00:35:26,758 - Yeah, I'll do it. 710 00:35:26,758 --> 00:35:28,360 Locus. 711 00:35:29,728 --> 00:35:31,130 Yeah but I'm getting light, 712 00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:32,698 the backlight's killing your face. 713 00:35:32,698 --> 00:35:34,166 - What do you mean the backlight's killing my face? 714 00:35:34,166 --> 00:35:36,001 Why don't you adjust it? 715 00:35:36,001 --> 00:35:37,736 What do you mean you can't? 716 00:35:39,771 --> 00:35:41,673 Okay you ready? - Yeah, yeah. 717 00:35:41,673 --> 00:35:44,810 - Okay, we're here at Rein's barn, and we're getting, okay. 718 00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:46,545 Here. 719 00:35:46,545 --> 00:35:49,581 Come on, I'm trying to get at this on camera. 720 00:35:55,587 --> 00:35:58,090 The trip, guided by Jim, 721 00:35:58,090 --> 00:35:59,258 took them into the loneliest 722 00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:02,060 of areas on a lonely cold day. 723 00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:04,263 Here's to you, Steven. 724 00:36:04,263 --> 00:36:05,531 A stop at a gas station 725 00:36:05,531 --> 00:36:07,399 was the last obvious landmark, 726 00:36:07,399 --> 00:36:09,968 before they moved into the unidentifiable roads 727 00:36:09,968 --> 00:36:10,969 of the Pine Barrens. 728 00:36:12,738 --> 00:36:15,741 At a certain point, at Jim's request, 729 00:36:15,741 --> 00:36:18,677 they stopped, parked and started 730 00:36:18,677 --> 00:36:20,612 walking into the woods. 731 00:36:20,612 --> 00:36:22,648 Following the psychic visions of Suerd. 732 00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:26,118 - I understand. 733 00:36:26,118 --> 00:36:27,152 He's gonna do it this is part 734 00:36:27,152 --> 00:36:29,988 of the show we gotta do it in a place he thinks is right. 735 00:36:29,988 --> 00:36:31,390 Because if we're gonna find something 736 00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:33,358 yeah we could fake it, but I don't go for that. 737 00:36:33,358 --> 00:36:34,326 I think we should go for real 738 00:36:34,326 --> 00:36:37,663 and he's off doing his thing that's why we got him here. 739 00:36:43,502 --> 00:36:44,369 We knew this was gonna be it. 740 00:36:44,369 --> 00:36:45,370 We knew, we all talked about. 741 00:36:45,370 --> 00:36:46,805 We knew we were going to be way out here. 742 00:36:46,805 --> 00:36:49,107 - Here he comes. - Let's see what he says. 743 00:36:54,713 --> 00:36:56,782 - Where did you get this guy from anyway? 744 00:36:56,782 --> 00:36:58,483 Psychics R US? 745 00:37:02,487 --> 00:37:04,022 I think this is a pretty good idea. 746 00:37:04,022 --> 00:37:06,992 Us waiting around and then him finding the spot you know 747 00:37:06,992 --> 00:37:08,727 and then taking the stuff over to it. 748 00:37:10,062 --> 00:37:12,097 - Yeah, we still gotta go back to the car 749 00:37:12,097 --> 00:37:13,665 and get stuff, man. 750 00:37:13,665 --> 00:37:14,700 I don't think he even knows that. 751 00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:15,567 Is he volunteering? 752 00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:17,603 I don't think so. 753 00:37:17,603 --> 00:37:19,338 Well, I know he's not carrying too much. 754 00:37:19,338 --> 00:37:21,406 But you know what he said about that. 755 00:37:21,406 --> 00:37:22,674 it's a vibe thing. 756 00:37:23,742 --> 00:37:26,111 Tensions increase as they work further 757 00:37:26,111 --> 00:37:28,213 into the forsaken Pines. 758 00:37:28,213 --> 00:37:32,451 And then a key point in the prosecution video arrives. 759 00:37:34,553 --> 00:37:39,057 Jim, are you a psychic or a psycho? 760 00:37:40,993 --> 00:37:41,693 - Look man! 761 00:37:44,529 --> 00:37:46,465 I'll see you back at camp, man! 762 00:37:49,434 --> 00:37:51,570 Approximately one hour later, 763 00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:53,472 judging from the sun, 764 00:37:53,472 --> 00:37:55,507 a camp is being built. 765 00:37:55,507 --> 00:37:58,443 Discussions are already being had about Suerd. 766 00:37:58,443 --> 00:38:00,245 Suerd is not helping. 767 00:38:00,245 --> 00:38:01,580 He's keeping to himself. 768 00:38:04,216 --> 00:38:06,485 For the next two hours, the video of the group 769 00:38:06,485 --> 00:38:08,086 is a collection of promotions for 770 00:38:08,086 --> 00:38:11,056 future cable shows; the camera frequently left 771 00:38:11,056 --> 00:38:12,324 on between takes. 772 00:38:12,324 --> 00:38:15,027 - This is Locus reporting from the Pine Barrens 773 00:38:15,027 --> 00:38:16,495 and I'm with Rein. 774 00:38:16,495 --> 00:38:17,596 Our sound man. 775 00:38:17,596 --> 00:38:19,631 Gee, Rein I'm pretty parched. 776 00:38:19,631 --> 00:38:21,099 - I sure am, too. 777 00:38:21,099 --> 00:38:23,201 - Wow is that is that mulberry 778 00:38:23,201 --> 00:38:24,703 natural spring water? 779 00:38:24,703 --> 00:38:26,405 - Yes from Mueller's. 780 00:38:26,405 --> 00:38:29,141 - Wow, how about, I wish I could have a 781 00:38:29,141 --> 00:38:31,343 sparkling glass of that. 782 00:38:31,343 --> 00:38:34,379 - Boy I'm telling you and in a gallon jar. 783 00:38:34,379 --> 00:38:35,247 - Jug. 784 00:38:35,247 --> 00:38:36,114 the mood is good. 785 00:38:36,114 --> 00:38:36,982 - Let's do that again. 786 00:38:36,982 --> 00:38:39,751 Jim does not join them, instead staying 787 00:38:39,751 --> 00:38:40,786 in the tent on IRC. 788 00:38:44,656 --> 00:38:48,293 - I don't really feel like I'm being taken very seriously, 789 00:38:50,696 --> 00:38:51,730 by really any of you. 790 00:38:53,031 --> 00:38:53,732 I'm taking you seriously. 791 00:38:53,732 --> 00:38:56,134 We set up here you know. 792 00:38:58,437 --> 00:39:01,206 - I'm doing what, what I do and 793 00:39:02,207 --> 00:39:04,209 I don't appreciate being laughed at. 794 00:39:05,577 --> 00:39:08,146 Well it's just a stress thing. 795 00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:11,583 Look we're gonna be going on in a bit. 796 00:39:11,583 --> 00:39:13,385 You gonna come out for the broadcast? 797 00:39:18,523 --> 00:39:20,992 - I think that I'll probably stay in here. 798 00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:25,997 Stay on IRC. 799 00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:29,267 Okay. 800 00:39:29,267 --> 00:39:30,469 At 10 p.m. 801 00:39:30,469 --> 00:39:33,605 in what will be the last broadcast, 802 00:39:33,605 --> 00:39:35,207 "Fact or Fiction" goes live. 803 00:39:37,442 --> 00:39:39,611 - This is Johnny- - And Locus. 804 00:39:39,611 --> 00:39:41,380 - And we are live in the Pine Barrens 805 00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:44,249 where tonight we are doing a first ever, 806 00:39:44,249 --> 00:39:46,451 internet broadcast, cable- 807 00:39:54,292 --> 00:39:58,563 Jim has been on IRC for two hours and 30 minutes. 808 00:39:58,563 --> 00:40:02,334 A surveillance camera records the camp to VHS tape. 809 00:40:02,334 --> 00:40:05,470 It runs for two hours before shutting off. 810 00:40:05,470 --> 00:40:06,772 At one a.m. 811 00:40:06,772 --> 00:40:10,041 the last tape in the series of 22 tapes shot 812 00:40:10,041 --> 00:40:12,778 by Locus Wheeler and Rein Clackin 813 00:40:12,778 --> 00:40:13,745 reaches its end. 814 00:40:13,745 --> 00:40:15,514 I think this is a way for him 815 00:40:15,514 --> 00:40:17,215 to try and scare us or something. 816 00:40:19,684 --> 00:40:20,552 Man, this thing's still on. 817 00:40:20,552 --> 00:40:23,522 What the hell's going on? - Oh, I must have left it on. 818 00:40:23,522 --> 00:40:25,157 We should change tapes. 819 00:40:25,157 --> 00:40:26,425 Did you change tapes? 820 00:40:26,425 --> 00:40:28,693 Here, I'm gonna change tapes in this. 821 00:40:28,693 --> 00:40:31,596 There is no indication that this is done. 822 00:40:31,596 --> 00:40:33,598 No other footage exists. 823 00:40:54,219 --> 00:40:57,522 The tape show a group of men going through a wide range 824 00:40:57,522 --> 00:40:59,191 of emotions. 825 00:40:59,191 --> 00:41:01,793 Seemingly enjoying their jaunt into the pine barrens. 826 00:41:04,129 --> 00:41:06,731 The tape shows the brooding nature of one man 827 00:41:06,731 --> 00:41:08,700 who does not share in the frivolity. 828 00:41:10,235 --> 00:41:14,239 The tapes do make clear the maladjusted nature of Jim Suerd. 829 00:41:18,143 --> 00:41:20,345 Though Suerd maintained his innocence, 830 00:41:20,345 --> 00:41:21,680 the facts were indisputable. 831 00:41:22,581 --> 00:41:26,051 Four people went into the Pine Barrens, only Jim returned. 832 00:41:26,818 --> 00:41:29,287 Blood of all three was found on on Jim's shirt. 833 00:41:30,155 --> 00:41:32,657 His pushing Rein showed a potential violent streak. 834 00:41:33,725 --> 00:41:35,460 The angle and depth of the cuts 835 00:41:35,460 --> 00:41:39,197 and lacerations matched somebody of his height and weight 836 00:41:39,197 --> 00:41:42,167 and more importantly ambidextrous nature. 837 00:41:42,167 --> 00:41:44,102 The number, which closely matched 838 00:41:44,102 --> 00:41:46,671 the date of the murders appearing through ashes on his arm, 839 00:41:46,671 --> 00:41:47,539 was deemed to 840 00:41:47,539 --> 00:41:50,141 be a good case for premeditated murder. 841 00:41:50,141 --> 00:41:52,143 The tape showing the four walking further 842 00:41:52,143 --> 00:41:54,079 and further into the woods, 843 00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:57,215 virtually guaranteed a seclusion from civilization 844 00:41:57,215 --> 00:41:59,084 that would make the killing easier. 845 00:42:00,218 --> 00:42:02,187 The defense's one victory was 846 00:42:02,187 --> 00:42:04,122 getting the third charge of murder, 847 00:42:04,122 --> 00:42:06,525 the murder of Steven Avkast, dropped. 848 00:42:07,492 --> 00:42:10,762 Though a body is not necessarily needed to prove a murder, 849 00:42:10,762 --> 00:42:13,031 the prosecution had more than enough evidence 850 00:42:13,031 --> 00:42:14,699 with the two bodies that were found. 851 00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:19,404 On July 16th 1996 852 00:42:19,404 --> 00:42:22,207 Jim Suerd was found guilty on two counts 853 00:42:22,207 --> 00:42:23,375 of first degree murder. 854 00:42:24,509 --> 00:42:26,244 He was sentenced to two life terms 855 00:42:27,178 --> 00:42:29,147 to be served consecutively. 856 00:42:44,229 --> 00:42:48,733 - I think the whole trial was a kangaroo court of sorts, 857 00:42:48,733 --> 00:42:50,201 a pig circus. 858 00:42:50,201 --> 00:42:52,037 I mean it's... 859 00:42:52,037 --> 00:42:55,640 the police obviously didn't do their homework. 860 00:42:56,508 --> 00:43:00,445 They're not investigating to the best of their ability, 861 00:43:00,445 --> 00:43:02,013 because there has to be, 862 00:43:06,551 --> 00:43:10,255 there has to be some evidence indicating somebody else 863 00:43:10,255 --> 00:43:12,023 or something else. 864 00:43:18,496 --> 00:43:20,532 - The case they built up against him, 865 00:43:20,532 --> 00:43:21,666 it was all circumstantial. 866 00:43:21,666 --> 00:43:24,169 They didn't have any actual evidence that he did this 867 00:43:24,169 --> 00:43:26,071 but I mean he was the only one there. 868 00:43:26,071 --> 00:43:28,473 They really had no one else to go on. 869 00:43:28,473 --> 00:43:30,508 - I don't consider having the blood of 870 00:43:30,508 --> 00:43:33,111 victims all over your clothes as circumstantial. 871 00:43:33,111 --> 00:43:35,246 I mean that's pretty hard evidence as far as I'm concerned. 872 00:43:35,246 --> 00:43:36,114 You don't get blood 873 00:43:36,114 --> 00:43:40,285 on your clothes from a murder victim, you know, 874 00:43:40,285 --> 00:43:41,286 just out of the air. 875 00:43:41,286 --> 00:43:44,823 I mean, you have to be there conducting those murders 876 00:43:44,823 --> 00:43:46,491 to get that blood on your clothes. 877 00:43:46,491 --> 00:43:49,694 I don't consider that circumstantial in the least. 878 00:43:53,164 --> 00:43:56,735 and I can't explain that I can't explain why 879 00:43:56,735 --> 00:43:58,470 there would be blood on my shirt. 880 00:43:59,738 --> 00:44:01,306 would you agree that it looks bad? 881 00:44:01,306 --> 00:44:02,173 Excuse me? 882 00:44:02,173 --> 00:44:03,041 Would you agree that things 883 00:44:03,041 --> 00:44:05,176 don't look very good for you right now? 884 00:44:05,176 --> 00:44:09,180 I don't, I don't the way that you're telling me 885 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:11,149 it doesn't look that good for me but I 886 00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:13,284 can't understand where this evidence came from. 887 00:44:14,619 --> 00:44:16,588 The evidence of blood on Jim's shirt 888 00:44:16,588 --> 00:44:19,491 was a strong point for the prosecution. 889 00:44:19,491 --> 00:44:21,026 DNA tests showed 890 00:44:21,026 --> 00:44:23,228 indisputably that it was the blood of the three 891 00:44:23,228 --> 00:44:25,230 that had gone into the woods with Suerd. 892 00:44:26,798 --> 00:44:30,669 As I look at the images of DNA patterns and pools of blood, 893 00:44:30,669 --> 00:44:31,503 I wonder though 894 00:44:31,503 --> 00:44:35,473 if perhaps the jury anxious not to ignore DNA evidence 895 00:44:35,473 --> 00:44:37,475 as it happened in other trials 896 00:44:37,475 --> 00:44:39,110 perhaps looked too closely. 897 00:44:40,278 --> 00:44:41,613 Through the magnifying glass 898 00:44:41,613 --> 00:44:45,650 of the prosecution's microscope, the evidence was solid. 899 00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:48,787 However a macroscopic view begged another question. 900 00:44:49,721 --> 00:44:52,290 Could the master of this orgy of violence have walked 901 00:44:52,290 --> 00:44:54,626 away from his work with merely the equivalent 902 00:44:54,626 --> 00:44:57,595 of 17 eyedrops of blood on his shirt 903 00:44:57,595 --> 00:44:58,463 and nothing else? 904 00:44:59,597 --> 00:45:02,500 - You know, every piece of evidence they would get, 905 00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:05,470 they'd try to tie it somehow, instead of thinking 906 00:45:06,337 --> 00:45:09,207 okay well gee, does this have anything 907 00:45:09,207 --> 00:45:10,208 to do with something else 908 00:45:10,208 --> 00:45:12,444 would always take a piece of evidence and go, 909 00:45:12,444 --> 00:45:16,081 well gee how could Jim have used this? 910 00:45:16,081 --> 00:45:17,215 And it's kind of like, after a while, 911 00:45:17,215 --> 00:45:20,552 it's like building up a house of cards, 912 00:45:20,552 --> 00:45:22,520 after a while, they just kept building up building up 913 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,990 and eventually they had enough built up 914 00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:28,126 to get a case against him. 915 00:45:29,494 --> 00:45:32,097 I wasn't really monitoring their conduct outside 916 00:45:32,097 --> 00:45:33,631 of camp. 917 00:45:33,631 --> 00:45:34,799 I was doing my thing. 918 00:45:34,799 --> 00:45:36,167 what were you doing? 919 00:45:36,167 --> 00:45:37,035 I was on the IRC. 920 00:45:37,035 --> 00:45:37,769 In the tent? 921 00:45:37,769 --> 00:45:38,636 Yeah. 922 00:45:38,636 --> 00:45:39,504 All night? 923 00:45:39,504 --> 00:45:40,371 all night 924 00:45:40,371 --> 00:45:42,440 About what time did you start on IRC? 925 00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:48,279 Probably around 8:30. 926 00:45:49,748 --> 00:45:53,284 - When we interviewed some of the individuals 927 00:45:53,284 --> 00:45:56,121 that Mr. Suerd claimed to have been talking 928 00:45:56,121 --> 00:45:59,624 with on IRC that evening, 929 00:45:59,624 --> 00:46:04,562 and we've looked at their logs as well, too, 930 00:46:05,196 --> 00:46:08,266 their chat logs from their computers, 931 00:46:08,266 --> 00:46:10,635 and we have determined 932 00:46:10,635 --> 00:46:14,272 that there was about a 45 minute gap 933 00:46:14,272 --> 00:46:18,409 between when Mr. Suerd made one comment 934 00:46:18,409 --> 00:46:20,512 to when he made the next comment. 935 00:46:20,512 --> 00:46:24,382 And 45 minutes is an awfully long time to not 936 00:46:24,382 --> 00:46:27,519 be responding to other people on the Internet. 937 00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,588 - They say the signal dropped out 938 00:46:30,588 --> 00:46:34,392 so you know Jim could have walked away 939 00:46:34,392 --> 00:46:37,061 and I guess that is possible. 940 00:46:37,061 --> 00:46:39,030 - It is possible, yes. 941 00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:40,231 You don't necessarily have 942 00:46:40,231 --> 00:46:43,401 to be a world-class sprint runner, 943 00:46:43,401 --> 00:46:47,372 to cover that amount of ground in 45 minutes. 944 00:47:21,139 --> 00:47:22,373 - In a way I have to raise doubts 945 00:47:22,373 --> 00:47:26,644 of this one guy doing all that to these bodies. 946 00:47:26,644 --> 00:47:30,782 - The murdered pair, 947 00:47:32,016 --> 00:47:34,452 they were darlings of the media. 948 00:47:34,452 --> 00:47:38,256 It was one of the reasons they jumped 949 00:47:38,256 --> 00:47:39,724 on this whole thing so quickly 950 00:47:39,724 --> 00:47:42,560 and had to come up with a conclusion 951 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,662 of what happened was just that: 952 00:47:44,662 --> 00:47:46,664 it was their very own. 953 00:47:46,664 --> 00:47:50,602 - As professionals in law enforcement, 954 00:47:50,602 --> 00:47:53,071 we do not feel the pressure from outside sources, 955 00:47:53,071 --> 00:47:57,041 be it the media or otherwise to conduct our investigations. 956 00:47:57,041 --> 00:48:01,246 We conduct them to the best of our ability at all times. 957 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,984 There were no other suspects to apprehend or to interview 958 00:48:05,984 --> 00:48:07,452 or to consider. 959 00:48:07,452 --> 00:48:11,723 All the evidence pointed that Mr. Suerd was the only suspect 960 00:48:11,723 --> 00:48:15,059 and therefore all we had to do was gather 961 00:48:15,059 --> 00:48:18,630 the evidence to prove Mr. Suerd's guilt. 962 00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:23,268 We did not have to gather evidence to gather other suspects. 963 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,076 On January 2nd, 1997, 964 00:48:32,076 --> 00:48:33,745 an event occurred that forced me 965 00:48:33,745 --> 00:48:36,748 to rethink the making of this documentary, 966 00:48:36,748 --> 00:48:40,485 the very thesis with which I had begun this journey. 967 00:48:40,485 --> 00:48:44,188 Jim Suerd was found dead in his jail cell 968 00:48:44,188 --> 00:48:45,757 of undetermined causes. 969 00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:52,330 On January third, a package arrived at my door which I think 970 00:48:52,330 --> 00:48:53,298 in no way was 971 00:48:53,298 --> 00:48:55,466 coincidental with the death of Jim Suerd. 972 00:49:09,414 --> 00:49:13,017 The acquiring of mysterious video tape has changed the mood 973 00:49:13,017 --> 00:49:14,986 behind the making of this documentary. 974 00:49:15,753 --> 00:49:18,289 Gone is the attempt at pure objectivity 975 00:49:18,289 --> 00:49:19,590 with which we started. 976 00:49:19,590 --> 00:49:22,627 Now we question, who gave us this tape? 977 00:49:22,627 --> 00:49:26,731 And more importantly, what, if any information, does it hold 978 00:49:26,731 --> 00:49:29,133 that was never brought up in the trial? 979 00:49:29,133 --> 00:49:31,135 Going to the authorities with this new tape 980 00:49:31,135 --> 00:49:33,604 is pondered but rejected. 981 00:49:33,604 --> 00:49:36,507 To them the case is closed and with Jim's death, 982 00:49:36,507 --> 00:49:39,210 appeals are a moot point. 983 00:49:39,210 --> 00:49:40,712 Nothing is ruled out. 984 00:49:40,712 --> 00:49:42,246 The tape could be a hoax. 985 00:49:43,448 --> 00:49:46,017 I am conscious of one thing though. 986 00:49:46,017 --> 00:49:49,253 My search for the truth behind the "Fact or Fiction" murders 987 00:49:49,253 --> 00:49:52,223 has in some way become part of the story. 988 00:49:53,224 --> 00:49:56,027 - There was this discussion on the last tape that 989 00:49:56,728 --> 00:49:59,030 they were going to change tapes. 990 00:49:59,030 --> 00:50:01,666 But whether that ever happened or not, 991 00:50:04,068 --> 00:50:05,236 I don't know. 992 00:50:05,236 --> 00:50:08,306 I didn't see any other tapes 993 00:50:08,306 --> 00:50:11,442 and from what I saw of the camera 994 00:50:11,442 --> 00:50:13,177 it was pretty damaged. 995 00:50:13,177 --> 00:50:14,512 So if there was any tape in there, 996 00:50:14,512 --> 00:50:18,683 I doubt that it ever could be played. 997 00:50:26,157 --> 00:50:28,026 - My name is Michele Monarch. 998 00:50:28,026 --> 00:50:31,596 I'm a magnetic media data recovery specialist. 999 00:50:31,596 --> 00:50:35,033 The particular videotape that I was given was mangled almost 1000 00:50:35,033 --> 00:50:36,501 beyond recognition. 1001 00:50:36,501 --> 00:50:41,439 I digitized sections of this particular video, 1002 00:50:41,439 --> 00:50:43,207 placed it into the computer 1003 00:50:43,207 --> 00:50:47,512 and am now reconstructing the actual picture frame by frame. 1004 00:50:48,513 --> 00:50:52,250 And I have to guide the computer to complete these pictures. 1005 00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:55,219 There was some that were easily captured by the computer. 1006 00:50:55,219 --> 00:50:58,122 Others were unrecognizable, 1007 00:50:58,122 --> 00:51:00,391 and I'm rebuilding them now at this time. 1008 00:51:07,732 --> 00:51:10,268 As the tape is reassembled by Shelly, 1009 00:51:10,268 --> 00:51:13,438 it becomes apparent that some sections are rather viewable. 1010 00:51:28,052 --> 00:51:30,488 - And I'll say, yeah I'm here 1011 00:51:30,488 --> 00:51:34,692 while Locus is out hunting for the Jersey Devil. 1012 00:51:34,692 --> 00:51:36,327 And I'll be like, "ah, shut up" 1013 00:51:37,228 --> 00:51:39,363 Yeah, you can be like, "I don't see him." 1014 00:51:39,363 --> 00:51:41,399 No, no, we better not do that because, we've got to deliver 1015 00:51:41,399 --> 00:51:42,266 on this show. 1016 00:51:42,266 --> 00:51:43,167 This is the big one here. 1017 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,441 Okay are we ready there, Rein? 1018 00:51:50,441 --> 00:51:51,809 - Right now. - Do you want me 1019 00:51:51,809 --> 00:51:54,178 to still be rolling on this stuff, Steven? 1020 00:51:55,113 --> 00:51:56,681 Do you want to state that, that whole thing. 1021 00:51:56,681 --> 00:51:59,150 I think I kind of could hear you. 1022 00:51:59,150 --> 00:52:00,518 I've been rolling the camera just messing 1023 00:52:00,518 --> 00:52:02,186 around shooting camp stuff but could you, 1024 00:52:02,186 --> 00:52:03,588 what was the deal with- 1025 00:52:03,588 --> 00:52:05,556 - I don't care if he hears this or not on camera. 1026 00:52:05,556 --> 00:52:07,458 Don't I mean this is never gonna make it 1027 00:52:07,458 --> 00:52:08,392 anything but the cutting room floor 1028 00:52:08,392 --> 00:52:09,994 as they would say film days. 1029 00:52:11,095 --> 00:52:12,563 From what Sam was saying. 1030 00:52:12,563 --> 00:52:14,665 Sam, boy even he was- 1031 00:52:14,665 --> 00:52:16,234 - All right, there it is. 1032 00:52:16,234 --> 00:52:18,136 - I don't want to be like a bitch all night. 1033 00:52:21,172 --> 00:52:24,242 I'm going to take a walk out into the woods and do a scout 1034 00:52:24,242 --> 00:52:26,377 out of the location. 1035 00:52:26,377 --> 00:52:28,045 I also have to go the bathroom. 1036 00:52:33,017 --> 00:52:34,819 Get on the trumpet, do the sound. 1037 00:52:37,255 --> 00:52:39,056 Newark's doing his thing. 1038 00:52:39,056 --> 00:52:41,192 Yeah, I know the airplanes from Newark. 1039 00:52:41,192 --> 00:52:42,360 But each we got 1040 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,395 we got a little bit from that one machine going, but I want 1041 00:52:44,395 --> 00:52:45,530 to see that one reel going 1042 00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:46,697 I wanna see you on that trumpet, 1043 00:52:46,697 --> 00:52:49,534 I want to see you working for the reason you're out here. 1044 00:52:49,534 --> 00:52:53,704 And Locus, come on, 1R 144 double X awaits you. 1045 00:52:55,206 --> 00:52:56,140 Do some work, man! 1046 00:52:57,275 --> 00:52:59,644 - Sure Steven, anything you say, big guy. 1047 00:52:59,644 --> 00:53:01,712 Comin' right at you. 1048 00:53:01,712 --> 00:53:04,081 - All right, I'm gonna go here. 1049 00:53:04,081 --> 00:53:05,249 I'll be back in about 10 minutes. 1050 00:53:05,249 --> 00:53:06,250 - Okay, man. - Okay. 1051 00:53:06,250 --> 00:53:08,152 I'll be on that before you get back. 1052 00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:16,194 - Hey, do me a favor and switch on the machine will you? 1053 00:53:16,194 --> 00:53:17,695 There goes a little tyrant. 1054 00:53:20,698 --> 00:53:22,166 Here, come on I got the camera rolling 1055 00:53:22,166 --> 00:53:24,001 and do a Steven imitation for me. 1056 00:53:40,017 --> 00:53:42,253 Oh no I'm talking about Steven being a pussy I'm not talking 1057 00:53:42,253 --> 00:53:43,521 about Jim being a pussy. 1058 00:53:44,755 --> 00:53:47,725 Jim's one psycho motherfucker. 1059 00:53:48,593 --> 00:53:52,330 - He's scary, man. - Let me get that on camera. 1060 00:53:53,831 --> 00:53:55,333 - That thing isn't running, is it? 1061 00:53:55,333 --> 00:53:56,200 Of course it's running. 1062 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,135 We're supposed to record everything. 1063 00:53:59,136 --> 00:54:03,407 Give me a Jim, why don't you do that line that you said 1064 00:54:03,407 --> 00:54:05,376 when you were out in the woods? 1065 00:54:05,376 --> 00:54:07,478 What did you think when Jim pushed you? 1066 00:54:16,354 --> 00:54:18,155 - I was a- - Louder. 1067 00:54:18,155 --> 00:54:20,424 - I was a little bit, I don't know, it was weird 1068 00:54:20,424 --> 00:54:22,526 and kind of it freaked me out, man. 1069 00:54:22,526 --> 00:54:24,128 I didn't really expect him to be violent. 1070 00:54:24,128 --> 00:54:25,096 I thought it was like, 1071 00:54:25,096 --> 00:54:26,397 see that's what I don't get, man. 1072 00:54:26,397 --> 00:54:27,531 He's like totally like 1073 00:54:28,532 --> 00:54:30,668 I thought he was like one of those guys like 1074 00:54:30,668 --> 00:54:34,538 you know those peace, fucking meditation dudes or something. 1075 00:54:34,538 --> 00:54:37,041 I didn't think he did that. 1076 00:54:37,041 --> 00:54:39,043 Following these recorded moments, 1077 00:54:39,043 --> 00:54:41,512 a large portion of the tape is smashed. 1078 00:54:41,512 --> 00:54:44,215 It is a section that Shelley will attempt to restore. 1079 00:54:46,083 --> 00:54:48,653 The next section that is immediately viewable, 1080 00:54:48,653 --> 00:54:51,689 happens somewhere in the middle of the tape. 1081 00:54:58,029 --> 00:54:59,297 Steven! 1082 00:54:59,297 --> 00:55:01,165 The first thing that is apparent is that this 1083 00:55:01,165 --> 00:55:03,601 is tape shot by Locus and Rein. 1084 00:55:03,601 --> 00:55:06,003 Steven is nowhere to be seen. 1085 00:55:06,003 --> 00:55:07,305 They are searching for him. 1086 00:55:08,372 --> 00:55:10,107 On her third day of restoration, 1087 00:55:10,107 --> 00:55:12,743 Shelley makes another discovery. 1088 00:55:12,743 --> 00:55:16,447 The anonymous tape is not from one, but two cameras. 1089 00:55:16,447 --> 00:55:20,418 Both Rein and Locus took cameras into the forest. 1090 00:55:20,418 --> 00:55:21,552 - Hold on a second. 1091 00:55:21,552 --> 00:55:23,554 Let me get the light up here. 1092 00:55:23,554 --> 00:55:25,289 This is "Fact or Fiction." 1093 00:55:25,289 --> 00:55:26,357 We can't find Steven. 1094 00:55:26,357 --> 00:55:29,026 Here we are in the Pine Barrens on a trip that he drug us 1095 00:55:29,026 --> 00:55:29,994 out here for. 1096 00:55:29,994 --> 00:55:33,998 We did a webcast, simulcast, cast cast cable cast 1097 00:55:33,998 --> 00:55:36,500 that really was pretty poor if you ask me. 1098 00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:38,803 But that doesn't matter at this point because Steven, 1099 00:55:38,803 --> 00:55:40,638 our main host, is missing. 1100 00:55:40,638 --> 00:55:42,373 Johnny. 1101 00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:44,175 Johnny Love is gone. 1102 00:55:44,175 --> 00:55:46,143 He's gone and we can't find him. 1103 00:55:46,143 --> 00:55:48,412 All I want to do is drink some beer. 1104 00:55:49,513 --> 00:55:50,815 at the camp. 1105 00:55:50,815 --> 00:55:52,516 See this is for you, Steven. 1106 00:55:52,516 --> 00:55:53,818 Even though we don't know where you are, 1107 00:55:53,818 --> 00:55:56,120 we just want you to know that we're being really loyal 1108 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,089 to this whole "shoot everything". 1109 00:55:59,523 --> 00:56:00,624 - Oh, man, come on, now. 1110 00:56:09,066 --> 00:56:10,634 In the sixth day of her work, 1111 00:56:10,634 --> 00:56:14,004 Shelly puts together a stunning piece of tape. 1112 00:56:14,004 --> 00:56:16,474 It is a moment in time that proves so much. 1113 00:56:22,246 --> 00:56:24,615 Footprint, I think it goes off this way. 1114 00:56:28,219 --> 00:56:29,253 Do you see anything over there? 1115 00:56:29,253 --> 00:56:30,121 He's been gone for a while. 1116 00:56:30,121 --> 00:56:31,689 Do you know what time it is? 1117 00:56:31,689 --> 00:56:36,293 It's I think it's late 1118 00:56:36,293 --> 00:56:39,663 it's like, 2:45. 1119 00:56:39,663 --> 00:56:42,199 - 2:45? - Yeah. 1120 00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:44,668 - Rein and Locus were alive 1121 00:56:44,668 --> 00:56:47,705 and speaking the time to one another and they were supposed 1122 00:56:47,705 --> 00:56:49,373 to be being killed 1123 00:56:50,307 --> 00:56:53,177 and they're alive and they're saying the time on the video. 1124 00:56:53,177 --> 00:56:54,812 To me that proves that 1125 00:56:54,812 --> 00:56:57,581 Jim absolutely was not killing them at that time. 1126 00:56:58,482 --> 00:57:02,420 Jim is an innocent man and this was not investigated 1127 00:57:02,420 --> 00:57:04,989 in any way shape or form. 1128 00:57:04,989 --> 00:57:06,357 It was overlooked. 1129 00:57:06,357 --> 00:57:08,025 So many details were overlooked. 1130 00:57:09,593 --> 00:57:11,695 Also, if he's an innocent man, 1131 00:57:11,695 --> 00:57:14,165 there's a killer on the loose. 1132 00:57:15,065 --> 00:57:18,702 Shelly's work slowly gives voices to the dead. 1133 00:57:18,702 --> 00:57:20,404 Ghosts caught on video. 1134 00:57:44,528 --> 00:57:47,998 I don't know, I feel weird about it. 1135 00:57:47,998 --> 00:57:51,235 I feel weird about it. 1136 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,642 Why is he acting so weird? 1137 00:58:06,617 --> 00:58:08,486 The processing of the tape is quickly 1138 00:58:08,486 --> 00:58:11,055 becoming more difficult for Shelley. 1139 00:58:11,055 --> 00:58:14,191 Now only bits and pieces tell the story of what happened 1140 00:58:14,191 --> 00:58:15,059 in the woods. 1141 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,129 On February 5th, Shelley presents a section 1142 00:58:19,129 --> 00:58:22,366 of videotape that is nothing short of horrifying. 1143 00:58:23,234 --> 00:58:26,370 It intensifies the question of who the killer is. 1144 00:58:34,245 --> 00:58:35,145 Oh. 1145 00:59:16,487 --> 00:59:20,024 On February 7th, Shelley finds what she thinks 1146 00:59:20,024 --> 00:59:23,260 is the same moment in time from Locus's camera. 1147 00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:25,763 It cannot however be viewed. 1148 00:59:25,763 --> 00:59:28,232 She remains hopeful as she begins the process 1149 00:59:28,232 --> 00:59:30,467 of trying to reconstruct a lost video. 1150 00:59:31,402 --> 00:59:33,604 - The computer needs me to direct it. 1151 00:59:33,604 --> 00:59:37,074 It doesn't know how to reconstruct a circle. 1152 00:59:37,074 --> 00:59:39,276 Maybe it would have an opening at the side 1153 00:59:39,276 --> 00:59:42,079 and I have to teach it to continue the circle. 1154 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,349 I'm a guiding factor. 1155 00:59:47,117 --> 00:59:49,353 While Shelley begins the process of attempting 1156 00:59:49,353 --> 00:59:51,355 to restore video, 1157 00:59:51,355 --> 00:59:52,990 I will attempt to find a truth 1158 00:59:52,990 --> 00:59:55,125 within the film I have already shot. 1159 00:59:57,628 --> 01:00:01,065 - In sitting there waiting for these video edits to render, 1160 01:00:01,065 --> 01:00:03,200 I did wonder about 1161 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,668 certain aspects of the case. 1162 01:00:06,804 --> 01:00:10,074 Sometimes I wonder, am I doing the right thing? 1163 01:00:11,375 --> 01:00:13,310 Did this guy do it? 1164 01:00:13,310 --> 01:00:15,212 It seemed to me, from all what I saw, 1165 01:00:15,212 --> 01:00:18,549 that you know it was pretty likely 1166 01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:19,416 that he did it. 1167 01:00:19,416 --> 01:00:21,385 I mean you had the blood evidence and stuff like that, 1168 01:00:21,385 --> 01:00:22,653 but then there was the one guy 1169 01:00:22,653 --> 01:00:25,489 that they never found his body. 1170 01:00:27,191 --> 01:00:28,192 What happened to him? 1171 01:00:28,192 --> 01:00:29,259 I mean, could he have done it? 1172 01:00:29,259 --> 01:00:30,427 I don't know. 1173 01:00:31,295 --> 01:00:32,830 It is an obvious question. 1174 01:00:32,830 --> 01:00:36,667 A question I had presented to all the people interviewed. 1175 01:00:36,667 --> 01:00:38,769 The tape restoration is showing Locus 1176 01:00:38,769 --> 01:00:41,405 and Rein searching for Steven, 1177 01:00:41,405 --> 01:00:43,607 which only makes the question more relevant. 1178 01:00:45,142 --> 01:00:46,710 What happened to Steven Avkast? 1179 01:00:48,312 --> 01:00:51,281 By process of elimination, I proceed. 1180 01:00:52,383 --> 01:00:54,418 - We did find some blood 1181 01:00:54,418 --> 01:00:57,354 and of course the infamous Johnny hat 1182 01:00:57,354 --> 01:00:58,589 that was found. 1183 01:01:00,791 --> 01:01:05,529 We were never able to find any more remains 1184 01:01:05,529 --> 01:01:08,732 of that person so we don't know if he's dead or alive. 1185 01:01:08,732 --> 01:01:12,169 - They never found Steven's body, Johnny, 1186 01:01:12,169 --> 01:01:13,637 but they found his hat. 1187 01:01:14,605 --> 01:01:17,074 So, I mean, I don't know. 1188 01:01:17,074 --> 01:01:20,477 It's just weird that the only thing left of him is 1189 01:01:20,477 --> 01:01:21,345 a hat? 1190 01:01:24,648 --> 01:01:28,318 - All right I'll be back in about 10 minutes. 1191 01:01:28,318 --> 01:01:31,155 Okay man, I'll be on that before you get back 1192 01:01:33,023 --> 01:01:35,325 - We don't think that Mr. Avkast 1193 01:01:35,325 --> 01:01:39,129 would be able to set up Mr. Suerd 1194 01:01:39,129 --> 01:01:41,298 because the amount of blood that we found 1195 01:01:41,298 --> 01:01:45,469 Of Mr. Avkast is so great that he would have bled to death 1196 01:01:45,469 --> 01:01:47,671 trying to set Mr. Suerd up. 1197 01:01:47,671 --> 01:01:49,606 There goes the little tyrant. 1198 01:01:54,044 --> 01:01:55,512 Oh whoa, check it out. 1199 01:01:56,780 --> 01:01:58,182 Shine that over there. 1200 01:01:58,182 --> 01:01:59,183 - Oh wow. - What's that? 1201 01:01:59,183 --> 01:02:00,250 - I don't know, man. 1202 01:02:03,287 --> 01:02:04,154 - Looks like a light. 1203 01:02:07,458 --> 01:02:10,127 Yo, it's Steven's light. 1204 01:02:10,127 --> 01:02:10,994 Steven's light. 1205 01:02:10,994 --> 01:02:12,196 Yo Steve! 1206 01:02:12,196 --> 01:02:13,697 Steven! 1207 01:02:13,697 --> 01:02:16,166 In finding that Jim's alibi holds up, 1208 01:02:16,166 --> 01:02:19,169 we have to attempt to answer the question raised: 1209 01:02:19,169 --> 01:02:20,304 who killed these people? 1210 01:02:21,405 --> 01:02:24,041 The likely suspect would appear to be Steven. 1211 01:02:25,042 --> 01:02:28,245 As I watch these frames though, I see no recognition 1212 01:02:28,245 --> 01:02:30,214 in Locus's face. 1213 01:02:30,214 --> 01:02:35,185 I see Locus, a man larger than Steven, turn tail and run. 1214 01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:36,386 As does Rein. 1215 01:02:37,521 --> 01:02:41,125 Steven Avkast, being the culprit of the horrendous massacre 1216 01:02:41,125 --> 01:02:43,827 that took place in the minutes that follow this tape 1217 01:02:43,827 --> 01:02:45,362 is impossible to believe. 1218 01:02:46,296 --> 01:02:47,598 Along with the amount of blood 1219 01:02:47,598 --> 01:02:49,800 that belongs to Steven Avkast, 1220 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,402 this makes me believe that he also was murdered 1221 01:02:52,402 --> 01:02:53,570 in the Pine Barrens. 1222 01:02:54,471 --> 01:02:56,707 I am now also of the belief 1223 01:02:56,707 --> 01:02:59,576 that the killer was somehow something more horrendous 1224 01:02:59,576 --> 01:03:01,645 than possible to imagine. 1225 01:03:08,018 --> 01:03:11,088 What could have killed three healthy men? 1226 01:03:11,088 --> 01:03:12,990 What would have left no footprints? 1227 01:03:13,791 --> 01:03:17,261 What would have torn the men into 47 pieces, 1228 01:03:17,261 --> 01:03:19,663 leaving no evidence of a struggle? 1229 01:03:19,663 --> 01:03:23,000 We could tell by what was a left in the infliction 1230 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,134 of the wound that it was 1231 01:03:24,134 --> 01:03:27,204 a serrated type weapon, that much we know. 1232 01:03:27,204 --> 01:03:30,207 - There were no knife fragments or 1233 01:03:30,207 --> 01:03:34,278 any evidence of the actual weapon used 1234 01:03:34,278 --> 01:03:36,180 other than the cuts themselves. 1235 01:03:43,687 --> 01:03:46,290 - Well we're a rural County, we have people 1236 01:03:46,290 --> 01:03:48,625 who are not greatly educated. 1237 01:03:48,625 --> 01:03:51,428 Rumors and folklore are common. 1238 01:03:51,428 --> 01:03:53,764 I put no credence in anything of that nature. 1239 01:03:53,764 --> 01:03:55,499 I just go by the facts that the police 1240 01:03:55,499 --> 01:03:57,401 are able to ascertain. 1241 01:03:57,401 --> 01:03:59,036 - A monster? 1242 01:03:59,036 --> 01:04:01,004 Yeah, I think this person's a monster. 1243 01:04:01,004 --> 01:04:02,039 I don't believe 1244 01:04:04,408 --> 01:04:06,243 fact or fiction. 1245 01:04:06,243 --> 01:04:08,378 I don't believe the fiction. 1246 01:04:08,378 --> 01:04:11,415 I think this is a person and I'm gonna find out who it is. 1247 01:04:11,415 --> 01:04:13,750 I'm gonna reconstruct and do my job 1248 01:04:14,685 --> 01:04:19,022 to recover what has been lost, the facts. 1249 01:04:19,790 --> 01:04:21,625 It is as though the Jersey Devil 1250 01:04:21,625 --> 01:04:24,528 is a monster reborn in a digital age. 1251 01:04:24,528 --> 01:04:26,496 Reborn on the Internet. 1252 01:04:26,496 --> 01:04:30,467 A demon captured on IRC logs, mangled video, 1253 01:04:30,467 --> 01:04:31,635 whispers in the dark. 1254 01:04:32,669 --> 01:04:34,671 It is to these that I look. 1255 01:04:34,671 --> 01:04:37,441 - It's totally anonymous I mean you can't trace a call. 1256 01:04:37,441 --> 01:04:39,743 You don't know if it's man, woman, old, young. 1257 01:04:41,778 --> 01:04:44,715 You don't know anything you don't know where it's from. 1258 01:04:44,715 --> 01:04:47,184 I mean in one way I don't know 1259 01:04:47,184 --> 01:04:49,786 why the cops didn't try to do anything you know 1260 01:04:49,786 --> 01:04:52,155 and try to figure out well who made that idea? 1261 01:04:52,155 --> 01:04:53,690 Who came up with that suggestion? 1262 01:04:54,558 --> 01:04:56,660 Why don't you do a show 1263 01:04:56,660 --> 01:04:58,595 about the Jersey Devil? 1264 01:05:00,631 --> 01:05:01,999 - We have this show "Fact or Fiction". 1265 01:05:01,999 --> 01:05:04,034 It's a paranormal variety show. 1266 01:05:04,034 --> 01:05:05,202 You know we have guests come on, 1267 01:05:05,202 --> 01:05:06,069 that kind of thing. 1268 01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:09,239 Well, things have kind of been a little slow 1269 01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:11,575 over at the station so we thought what we would do 1270 01:05:11,575 --> 01:05:14,411 is we'd we'd make a little excursion 1271 01:05:14,411 --> 01:05:18,282 there was a suggestion, via IRC, 1272 01:05:22,552 --> 01:05:26,456 A suggestion via IRC to- 1273 01:05:27,457 --> 01:05:29,559 - And also to the mail bag. 1274 01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:30,627 - Yeah. 1275 01:05:30,627 --> 01:05:31,495 - That guy, D something. 1276 01:05:31,495 --> 01:05:32,462 Whatever his name was. 1277 01:05:32,462 --> 01:05:36,099 - One thing about IRC that's really hard is that, 1278 01:05:36,099 --> 01:05:39,536 it really is hard to trace it because, I mean, it's not like 1279 01:05:39,536 --> 01:05:42,406 you know the phone number they're calling from. 1280 01:05:42,406 --> 01:05:45,375 I mean this could have been like Shanghai 1281 01:05:45,375 --> 01:05:48,478 where they were writing this message from. 1282 01:05:48,478 --> 01:05:49,546 You just don't know. 1283 01:05:49,546 --> 01:05:52,649 That's part of the beauty and part of the evil of it. 1284 01:06:02,192 --> 01:06:05,529 it is amazing to be so near yet so far 1285 01:06:05,529 --> 01:06:08,598 from the possibility of knowing who the killer is. 1286 01:06:08,598 --> 01:06:10,233 D something. 1287 01:06:11,268 --> 01:06:12,436 - We thought what we would do 1288 01:06:12,436 --> 01:06:15,238 is we'd we'd make a little excursion. 1289 01:06:15,238 --> 01:06:19,643 There was a suggestion, via IRC, to- 1290 01:06:21,178 --> 01:06:22,479 - And also from that mail bag. 1291 01:06:22,479 --> 01:06:23,347 - Yeah. 1292 01:06:23,347 --> 01:06:26,016 - That guy D something, whatever his name was. 1293 01:06:26,016 --> 01:06:29,319 - It's just not practical to keep logs to that stuff. 1294 01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:32,122 I get so much email, so much, 1295 01:06:32,122 --> 01:06:34,157 it would just clog up my system. 1296 01:06:35,092 --> 01:06:36,493 I erased it as we went along. 1297 01:06:36,493 --> 01:06:38,028 I mean, once a job 1298 01:06:38,028 --> 01:06:40,998 once a point got finished I killed the email, got rid of it. 1299 01:06:40,998 --> 01:06:42,432 It was it was like a to-do list. 1300 01:06:42,432 --> 01:06:45,002 I check it off, I get rid of this stuff. 1301 01:06:45,002 --> 01:06:46,603 So, once things weren't pertinent anymore, 1302 01:06:46,603 --> 01:06:48,005 I just get rid of them. 1303 01:06:48,005 --> 01:06:50,140 So I don't have anything of it really. 1304 01:06:50,140 --> 01:06:53,777 I mean there there were like a couple of emails that we had 1305 01:06:53,777 --> 01:06:55,012 at the very end there 1306 01:06:55,012 --> 01:06:57,581 But there's nothing illuminating there. 1307 01:07:24,207 --> 01:07:25,742 - It gets harder and harder 1308 01:07:28,011 --> 01:07:28,712 to 1309 01:07:30,414 --> 01:07:33,617 stick with your original gut feeling. 1310 01:07:40,424 --> 01:07:43,794 Because of the media, you know. 1311 01:07:43,794 --> 01:07:46,563 The attention that the whole case is getting, 1312 01:07:46,563 --> 01:07:50,267 how one-sided, lopsided the whole thing is. 1313 01:07:50,267 --> 01:07:52,335 And you start to think, 1314 01:07:52,335 --> 01:07:54,805 maybe, maybe he did do it. 1315 01:07:54,805 --> 01:07:59,810 Maybe there's a side of Jim that I don't know that, 1316 01:08:01,411 --> 01:08:04,181 that was capable of such an atrocity. 1317 01:08:04,181 --> 01:08:06,316 As this journey nears its end, 1318 01:08:06,316 --> 01:08:08,618 I begin to fully understand the essence 1319 01:08:08,618 --> 01:08:10,487 of what this is about. 1320 01:08:10,487 --> 01:08:14,124 The media upon which these events were recorded. 1321 01:08:14,124 --> 01:08:16,326 The media that should have been able to provide a truth 1322 01:08:16,326 --> 01:08:20,363 more pure than ever before, has somehow become the story. 1323 01:08:21,298 --> 01:08:23,600 This has become more than a search for the truth 1324 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,103 behind the "Fact or Fiction" murders. 1325 01:08:26,103 --> 01:08:28,171 It has become an indictment of truth 1326 01:08:28,171 --> 01:08:31,141 and how it is viewed through the lens of the media. 1327 01:08:31,141 --> 01:08:32,442 Pretty exciting moment here 1328 01:08:32,442 --> 01:08:35,345 because the fact or fiction logo is on screen 1329 01:08:36,580 --> 01:08:38,048 which means one thing. 1330 01:08:38,048 --> 01:08:43,053 That we are now actually getting our 1331 01:08:43,086 --> 01:08:48,091 feed live to the cable company- 1332 01:08:48,091 --> 01:08:51,094 - Reality television, the news, 1333 01:08:51,094 --> 01:08:54,264 the 60-second clip of truth, have made even the strongest 1334 01:08:54,264 --> 01:08:55,165 of doubters wonder. 1335 01:08:55,165 --> 01:08:57,501 Are you a psychic or a psycho? 1336 01:08:59,469 --> 01:09:04,407 - Look man I'll see you back at camp, man. 1337 01:09:06,743 --> 01:09:08,211 Man, why you gotta be so- 1338 01:09:08,211 --> 01:09:09,446 - What did you say to him? 1339 01:09:11,248 --> 01:09:12,382 Wait what do you mean he's gonna 1340 01:09:12,382 --> 01:09:14,017 be where we were at camp? 1341 01:09:14,017 --> 01:09:14,718 Where the hell is the camp? 1342 01:09:14,718 --> 01:09:16,987 This is the whole fucking thing, where the hell is the camp? 1343 01:09:16,987 --> 01:09:18,255 - We can't lose him. - Well, we're losing him. 1344 01:09:18,255 --> 01:09:19,456 Go find him, man. 1345 01:09:19,456 --> 01:09:22,058 I'm not gonna go anywhere near him, 1346 01:09:22,058 --> 01:09:23,360 what a fucking asshole, man. 1347 01:09:25,729 --> 01:09:28,398 - Just cut the damn camera already. 1348 01:09:28,398 --> 01:09:30,000 - What is the truth? 1349 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,437 The editing process, it's like sifting that stuff out 1350 01:09:34,437 --> 01:09:39,209 ultimately, I mean not necessarily with these legal videos, 1351 01:09:39,209 --> 01:09:42,045 but with a 1352 01:09:42,045 --> 01:09:44,414 documentary film, I mean ultimately it's 1353 01:09:44,414 --> 01:09:47,551 what the filmmaker perceives as the truth. 1354 01:09:47,551 --> 01:09:50,187 I mean, don't you think, that's what you're trying 1355 01:09:50,187 --> 01:09:51,054 to do, right? 1356 01:09:52,355 --> 01:09:54,391 The mistakes that were discovered on this journey 1357 01:09:54,391 --> 01:09:55,559 were stunning. 1358 01:09:55,559 --> 01:09:58,028 Shoddy police work and a judgmental video 1359 01:09:58,028 --> 01:10:00,030 presented the world with a person guilty 1360 01:10:00,030 --> 01:10:01,464 before ever being tried. 1361 01:10:02,532 --> 01:10:04,601 I know Jim is not guilty. 1362 01:10:04,601 --> 01:10:07,037 I know that the truth is still at large, 1363 01:10:07,037 --> 01:10:10,273 potentially closer than anyone can realize. 1364 01:10:10,273 --> 01:10:13,076 It is as though the real killer planned a media event 1365 01:10:13,076 --> 01:10:14,811 so amazingly cunning 1366 01:10:14,811 --> 01:10:17,314 that it could be thought of as scripted. 1367 01:10:17,314 --> 01:10:20,217 A kill ready for primetime, so to speak. 1368 01:10:21,218 --> 01:10:23,320 Perhaps the demon we call the Jersey Devil 1369 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,622 did kill them in the Pine Barrens. 1370 01:10:25,622 --> 01:10:29,626 But if so, the Jersey Devil is the electronic image, 1371 01:10:29,626 --> 01:10:30,794 the sound, 1372 01:10:30,794 --> 01:10:33,163 The communication to the masses, 1373 01:10:33,163 --> 01:10:36,299 Somehow twisted into a surrealist electronic world. 1374 01:10:37,734 --> 01:10:42,505 I always asked the question last: Do you think Jim did it? 1375 01:10:42,505 --> 01:10:45,141 And with the exception of authorities directly accountable 1376 01:10:45,141 --> 01:10:46,376 to the answer, 1377 01:10:46,376 --> 01:10:48,712 I have felt that the answer given has been, 1378 01:10:48,712 --> 01:10:50,480 it doesn't matter. 1379 01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:53,583 The truth is what time has made of this event. 1380 01:10:53,583 --> 01:10:56,086 It has been good for business. 1381 01:10:56,086 --> 01:10:57,220 Often murder is. 1382 01:10:58,121 --> 01:11:00,624 So many involved benefited from this event. 1383 01:11:00,624 --> 01:11:03,593 The inevitable book deal is being replaced with a career 1384 01:11:03,593 --> 01:11:05,629 in the business of image control. 1385 01:11:05,629 --> 01:11:08,665 And most of the people interviewed are ready to embrace it. 1386 01:11:08,665 --> 01:11:13,603 - I guess a grim irony here, as these post-its can attest, 1387 01:11:15,572 --> 01:11:19,409 the fact that when we have some real dead bodies, 1388 01:11:19,409 --> 01:11:21,544 then the sharks start circling. 1389 01:11:24,547 --> 01:11:29,552 Strange that an incident like that would be a prelude 1390 01:11:29,819 --> 01:11:34,224 to a new phase in my career. 1391 01:11:35,392 --> 01:11:38,361 - It's interesting, after the court case was over 1392 01:11:38,361 --> 01:11:41,064 with all the publicity and everything surrounding it, 1393 01:11:41,064 --> 01:11:42,832 you know, I started getting phone calls 1394 01:11:42,832 --> 01:11:44,267 for a couple job leads. 1395 01:11:44,267 --> 01:11:47,103 I mean, you know, so in one way, 1396 01:11:47,103 --> 01:11:49,105 this might have helped me out of here. 1397 01:11:49,105 --> 01:11:51,741 How long will it take to process the entire tape? 1398 01:11:51,741 --> 01:11:54,511 - It's not my intention to process the whole tape. 1399 01:11:54,511 --> 01:11:55,679 I don't need to do that. 1400 01:11:56,646 --> 01:11:59,349 It could take hours, it could take days. 1401 01:11:59,349 --> 01:12:01,751 I need to process a particular piece of tape 1402 01:12:01,751 --> 01:12:04,688 that could potentially reveal a killer. 1403 01:12:06,089 --> 01:12:08,558 - Shelley continues to extrapolate information 1404 01:12:08,558 --> 01:12:09,759 from a frame 1405 01:12:09,759 --> 01:12:14,431 while I will reenact the events of December 15, 1995. 1406 01:12:18,134 --> 01:12:20,537 This is one of the stops that the guys made on the way 1407 01:12:20,537 --> 01:12:22,205 to the pine barrens. 1408 01:12:22,205 --> 01:12:23,073 I know this because 1409 01:12:23,073 --> 01:12:25,075 of the extensive documentary footage that they'd 1410 01:12:25,075 --> 01:12:27,077 taken taken of this place. 1411 01:12:27,077 --> 01:12:29,045 I don't know what good this will do. 1412 01:12:29,045 --> 01:12:32,182 I think it's just to keep myself clear on what happened. 1413 01:12:32,182 --> 01:12:34,050 You know the order of events. 1414 01:12:34,050 --> 01:12:36,353 Strangely the weather is almost identical to the way 1415 01:12:36,353 --> 01:12:37,187 it was that day. 1416 01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:10,520 I'm now traveling an access route 1417 01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,555 that I know Steven and Locus had taken 1418 01:13:12,555 --> 01:13:14,257 for the Jersey Devil Project. 1419 01:13:15,291 --> 01:13:17,994 We're in the midst of the Pine Barrens at this point. 1420 01:13:19,295 --> 01:13:22,232 And what I'm hoping to do is see if I can't do a recreation 1421 01:13:22,232 --> 01:13:23,099 of the campsite, 1422 01:13:23,099 --> 01:13:24,267 perhaps the murder scene. 1423 01:13:25,568 --> 01:13:29,172 Hopefully traversing this won't be too big of a problem. 1424 01:13:29,172 --> 01:13:32,075 I'm using this video camera just as a matter of convenience. 1425 01:13:32,075 --> 01:13:33,510 Using film out here would prove 1426 01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:37,080 to be logistically too difficult. 1427 01:13:38,815 --> 01:13:41,384 Hopefully we can get you some good footage 1428 01:13:41,384 --> 01:13:43,186 and really try demonstrate 1429 01:13:46,022 --> 01:13:49,325 the intrepid nature of Steven and Locus. 1430 01:14:17,587 --> 01:14:22,592 - I feel with some more work that I will find the killer. 1431 01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:25,595 I will see the face of the killer. 1432 01:15:06,503 --> 01:15:08,404 - This site is a very close approximation 1433 01:15:08,404 --> 01:15:11,207 of the one used by Steven and Locus on 1434 01:15:11,207 --> 01:15:13,343 the night of the Jersey Devil episode. 1435 01:15:13,343 --> 01:15:15,778 They'd chosen a clearing similar to this one as base camp 1436 01:15:15,778 --> 01:15:17,013 for the telecast. 1437 01:15:19,015 --> 01:15:22,085 When they ventured onto the Pine Barrens with their cameras, 1438 01:15:22,085 --> 01:15:23,753 they would never return alive again. 1439 01:15:24,654 --> 01:15:26,456 The documentary footage that they generated 1440 01:15:26,456 --> 01:15:28,525 on that evening proves irrevocably, 1441 01:15:28,525 --> 01:15:31,728 that Jim Suerd was not responsible for their murders. 1442 01:15:31,728 --> 01:15:34,130 That Locus and Rein Clackin were actually alive 1443 01:15:34,130 --> 01:15:36,332 at the time they were ostensibly killed. 1444 01:15:36,332 --> 01:15:38,501 And that the police case was shoddy at best. 1445 01:15:39,702 --> 01:15:41,137 What is the Jersey Devil? 1446 01:15:42,305 --> 01:15:44,107 It's a man wandering into the Pine Barrens never 1447 01:15:44,107 --> 01:15:45,475 to be seen again. 1448 01:15:45,475 --> 01:15:49,212 It's a mangled animal found on one of these access roads. 1449 01:15:49,212 --> 01:15:51,347 Or perhaps it's something that rests within our psyche 1450 01:15:51,347 --> 01:15:53,249 and we'll never truly understand. 1451 01:15:54,317 --> 01:15:56,386 I've been on this project for months now and haven't come 1452 01:15:56,386 --> 01:15:57,387 to a clear definition 1453 01:15:57,387 --> 01:16:00,356 of what actually happened or who was responsible. 1454 01:16:00,356 --> 01:16:01,658 All I know is that it's a mystery 1455 01:16:01,658 --> 01:16:03,359 and it may permanently remain so. 1456 01:16:09,566 --> 01:16:10,967 What is the Jersey Devil? 1457 01:16:42,231 --> 01:16:44,133 I'm now outside of Shelley's studio. 1458 01:16:45,668 --> 01:16:46,669 All the media. 1459 01:16:48,271 --> 01:16:49,372 All the interviews. 1460 01:16:51,174 --> 01:16:53,710 The truth comes down to this one frame. 1461 01:19:06,242 --> 01:19:08,611 I've determined that this is no time to be distracted 1462 01:19:08,611 --> 01:19:09,946 or set aside in the course 1463 01:19:09,946 --> 01:19:13,216 of the events that I've set into motion. 1464 01:19:13,216 --> 01:19:15,184 My next step will be going to the Pine Barrens 1465 01:19:15,184 --> 01:19:17,954 for a reenactment of the murders of Steven Avkast, 1466 01:19:17,954 --> 01:19:21,324 Locus Wheeler and Rein Clackin. 1467 01:19:21,324 --> 01:19:24,193 I'm as strong in my resolve as before in proving 1468 01:19:24,193 --> 01:19:25,061 that Jim Suerd 1469 01:19:25,061 --> 01:19:26,496 was not responsible for these murders. 1470 01:19:26,496 --> 01:19:28,164 That he had neither the intellect 1471 01:19:28,164 --> 01:19:31,234 nor the logical capacity to carry them through. 1472 01:19:31,234 --> 01:19:32,368 I think that the replayment 1473 01:19:32,368 --> 01:19:33,603 of our events here 1474 01:19:33,603 --> 01:19:36,572 will be quite compelling in the demonstration of 1475 01:19:36,572 --> 01:19:38,141 Suerd's innocence. 1476 01:21:49,205 --> 01:21:51,274 This site is a close approximation of the one chosen 1477 01:21:51,274 --> 01:21:53,109 by Steven Locus as the 1478 01:21:53,109 --> 01:21:56,245 site of their "Fact or Fiction" Jersey Devil broadcast. 1479 01:21:56,245 --> 01:21:57,346 They'd- 1480 01:22:00,316 --> 01:22:02,351 This site is a close approximation of the one chosen 1481 01:22:02,351 --> 01:22:04,086 by Steven and Locus as the site 1482 01:22:04,086 --> 01:22:07,023 of their "Fact or Fiction" Jersey Devil Broadcast. 1483 01:22:07,023 --> 01:22:10,259 They'd chosen a clearing similar to this one, as base camp 1484 01:22:10,259 --> 01:22:14,530 and ventured into the pine barrens with their cameras. 1485 01:22:14,530 --> 01:22:16,198 This site is a close approximation 1486 01:22:16,198 --> 01:22:17,733 of the one chosen by Steven 1487 01:22:17,733 --> 01:22:19,635 and Locus as the site of their "Fact or Fiction" 1488 01:22:19,635 --> 01:22:22,004 Jersey Devil Broadcast, 1489 01:22:22,004 --> 01:22:23,506 They'd chosen a clearing similar 1490 01:22:23,506 --> 01:22:25,007 to this one as a base camp. 107430

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