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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:38,250 --> 00:00:40,060 Can I help you? 2 00:00:42,435 --> 00:00:45,154 I want to report a rape. 3 00:00:45,634 --> 00:00:48,313 Okay. Let's go someplace private, huh? 4 00:00:50,044 --> 00:00:52,641 Can you tell me what happened? 5 00:00:56,517 --> 00:01:01,136 It's okay, Megan. I'm just here to help. 6 00:01:04,789 --> 00:01:08,501 He followed me to my apartment last night. 7 00:01:09,177 --> 00:01:12,176 I don't know how he got in the building, 8 00:01:12,176 --> 00:01:16,261 but when I opened my door he pushed his way in. 9 00:01:19,285 --> 00:01:22,719 And then what happened? 10 00:01:23,641 --> 00:01:25,335 Megan? 11 00:01:26,637 --> 00:01:30,172 I told him to leave 12 00:01:30,172 --> 00:01:33,705 and that I never wanted to see him again, 13 00:01:34,228 --> 00:01:36,811 but he slammed the door. 14 00:01:38,660 --> 00:01:40,766 Oh, God. 15 00:01:42,064 --> 00:01:44,902 Can you tell me who did this to you? 16 00:01:47,463 --> 00:01:50,731 Megan, is it your boyfriend? 17 00:01:54,038 --> 00:01:56,656 He's my father. 18 00:02:01,549 --> 00:02:04,508 �ڸ����� - NSC �ڸ��� (http://club.nate.com/tsm) 19 00:02:04,508 --> 00:02:06,506 ��ũ���� ������(seedyun@nate.com) 20 00:02:06,506 --> 00:02:08,500 �ѱ۹��� �ż���(tjddo76@nate.com) 21 00:02:09,604 --> 00:02:11,557 ũ���� ��δ� (������ �����̺��� ���� �) 22 00:02:13,623 --> 00:02:15,911 ������ī �������� (�ø���� ���� ���� �) 23 00:02:19,106 --> 00:02:21,182 ������ ���� (�� ��ġ ���� �) 24 00:02:22,933 --> 00:02:24,913 �����Ĵ� ��ġ (�˷����� ij�� �˻� �) 25 00:02:25,937 --> 00:02:27,897 ���̽�-Ƽ (������ "��" ƩƩ�ö� ���� �) 26 00:02:29,893 --> 00:02:32,020 �� �÷η� (�� ũ���̰� �氨 �) 27 00:02:36,096 --> 00:02:39,791 Law & Order SVU 3x01 Repression 28 00:02:40,035 --> 00:02:42,044 �������� �ڼ���(cafelattte@hotmail.com) 29 00:02:42,044 --> 00:02:44,042 �ѱ۱��� ���翵(dreamimage@nate.com) 30 00:02:44,042 --> 00:02:46,065 ORIGINAL AIR DATE ON NBC: 2001/09/28 31 00:02:48,829 --> 00:02:52,266 It started when I was in the first grade. 32 00:02:52,723 --> 00:02:56,708 Stroking, touching. 33 00:02:57,948 --> 00:03:02,394 He'd help me undress for bed, and sometimes he'd take off his shirt 34 00:03:02,394 --> 00:03:05,103 and then his pants. 35 00:03:05,645 --> 00:03:11,627 When I was 12, he put himself... 36 00:03:13,301 --> 00:03:15,393 Take your time. 37 00:03:17,181 --> 00:03:20,351 He told me not to cry. 38 00:03:21,816 --> 00:03:25,122 He'd show me these horrible pictures. 39 00:03:25,122 --> 00:03:28,597 He said that that was how daddies loved their little girls. 40 00:03:28,597 --> 00:03:31,030 And this has been going on ever since? 41 00:03:31,030 --> 00:03:33,714 No, he stopped after I got my period. 42 00:03:33,714 --> 00:03:38,769 - How long ago was that? - When I was 14. 43 00:03:43,302 --> 00:03:46,793 Did anything sexual happen last night? 44 00:03:46,793 --> 00:03:50,543 No, but we had a horrible fight. 45 00:03:50,543 --> 00:03:53,673 If he didn't have to catch a plane, who knows what he would have done? 46 00:03:53,673 --> 00:03:56,328 I'm not going to lie to you, Megan. 47 00:03:56,328 --> 00:03:59,688 It's going to be very difficult to prove a four-year-old rape. 48 00:03:59,688 --> 00:04:01,857 And we can't charge him for the earlier abuse 49 00:04:01,857 --> 00:04:06,394 because the statute of limitation only extends back five years. 50 00:04:06,394 --> 00:04:08,882 What about Lily? 51 00:04:09,682 --> 00:04:11,690 Who's Lily? 52 00:04:11,690 --> 00:04:14,493 My little sister. She's seven. 53 00:04:14,493 --> 00:04:17,728 That's the same age I was when he started molesting me. 54 00:04:17,728 --> 00:04:21,177 Well, did you see him do anything to her? 55 00:04:22,024 --> 00:04:26,746 Yesterday afternoon I went to my parents' to do my laundry, 56 00:04:26,746 --> 00:04:29,594 and I walked in on them. 57 00:04:29,594 --> 00:04:32,250 And what did you see? 58 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:39,226 He was touching her just like he used to touch me. 59 00:04:40,945 --> 00:04:43,180 Hey, Captain, we got some background on Megan's father. 60 00:04:43,180 --> 00:04:45,862 I'm on my way to the Mayor's luncheon, so let's make this quick. 61 00:04:45,862 --> 00:04:48,669 Okay. Evan Ramsey runs Southerland Pharmaceuticals, 62 00:04:48,669 --> 00:04:51,918 and he just donated a wing to the East Harlem Children's Hospital. 63 00:04:51,918 --> 00:04:53,493 Well, if his daughter's telling the truth, 64 00:04:53,493 --> 00:04:55,324 they're not gonna be hanging his picture on their wall. 65 00:04:55,324 --> 00:04:57,151 Rebecca Southerland is the wife. 66 00:04:57,151 --> 00:04:59,038 She's also the daughter of the company's founding father. 67 00:04:59,038 --> 00:05:02,122 So he married into the social register. Any other kids? 68 00:05:02,122 --> 00:05:04,354 Yeah, two. Jody, 15, and Lily, seven. 69 00:05:04,354 --> 00:05:06,534 Lily is the one that Megan says he's molesting. 70 00:05:06,534 --> 00:05:08,862 So, basically, we're working two cases here. 71 00:05:08,862 --> 00:05:11,084 A rape just this side of the statute of limitations, 72 00:05:11,084 --> 00:05:13,376 and the possible molestation of a seven-year-old. 73 00:05:13,376 --> 00:05:15,085 Munch and Fin are checking with Children's Services 74 00:05:15,085 --> 00:05:16,702 to see if the family's got any priors. 75 00:05:16,702 --> 00:05:18,297 Well, where is the mother in all this? 76 00:05:18,297 --> 00:05:20,278 She and Megan aren't on speaking terms. 77 00:05:20,278 --> 00:05:21,627 We're off to see the mother right now. 78 00:05:21,627 --> 00:05:24,701 Good. Get back to me when you have something to talk about. 79 00:05:25,340 --> 00:05:29,292 I've been married to Evan for 19 years, had three children with him. 80 00:05:29,292 --> 00:05:31,627 I'd certainly know if he was raping one of them. 81 00:05:31,627 --> 00:05:33,858 You've always had a blind spot where he's concerned. 82 00:05:33,858 --> 00:05:35,471 Dad, please. 83 00:05:35,471 --> 00:05:38,743 Megan's lashing out. She's a very angry young woman. 84 00:05:38,743 --> 00:05:41,821 Where do you think all this anger came from? 85 00:05:41,821 --> 00:05:43,872 From that therapist she's been seeing. 86 00:05:43,872 --> 00:05:46,338 - What therapist? - Dr. Wharton. 87 00:05:46,338 --> 00:05:49,069 Megan started seeing her when she went to Columbia. 88 00:05:49,069 --> 00:05:51,082 Since then, my daughter's become an expert 89 00:05:51,082 --> 00:05:54,997 on what she calls "our family dysfunction." 90 00:05:54,997 --> 00:05:58,697 I've tried talking to her, but she just shuts me out. 91 00:05:58,697 --> 00:06:00,310 We've seen these kind of cases before, 92 00:06:00,310 --> 00:06:04,884 and it's very difficult for daughters to share this with their mothers. 93 00:06:04,884 --> 00:06:08,915 It isn't the first time she's made up little stories to get attention. 94 00:06:08,915 --> 00:06:11,338 Has she ever made up anything like this? 95 00:06:11,338 --> 00:06:13,423 Nothing this outlandish, 96 00:06:13,423 --> 00:06:18,627 but she has stretched the bounds of reality to get what she wanted. 97 00:06:18,627 --> 00:06:21,423 God knows what she's been telling that therapist. 98 00:06:21,423 --> 00:06:24,262 We're going to need to speak with Jody and Lily. 99 00:06:24,262 --> 00:06:26,424 I don't see why that's necessary. 100 00:06:26,424 --> 00:06:28,719 It's routine. Whenever allegations like these are made, 101 00:06:28,719 --> 00:06:31,376 we'd like to talk to everyone in the family. 102 00:06:31,376 --> 00:06:34,636 Now she's putting her sisters into the middle of her little drama. 103 00:06:34,636 --> 00:06:36,333 When can we talk to them? 104 00:06:36,333 --> 00:06:39,172 - They're in school. - Where? 105 00:06:39,172 --> 00:06:42,244 I'll not have you embarrass them in front of their friends. 106 00:06:42,244 --> 00:06:44,777 Then bring them down to our precinct after school. 107 00:06:44,777 --> 00:06:48,888 The sooner we can talk to them, the sooner we can close this up. 108 00:06:49,506 --> 00:06:51,937 They'll be there. 109 00:06:54,019 --> 00:06:56,666 Whole Life Recovery Center 92 West 78th Street Tuesday, February 13 110 00:06:56,666 --> 00:07:01,412 Megan came to me suffering from bulimia and depression. 111 00:07:01,412 --> 00:07:03,700 What was she depressed about? 112 00:07:05,991 --> 00:07:10,692 Eating disorders often signal a deeper emotional trauma. 113 00:07:10,692 --> 00:07:13,642 In Megan's case, it was childhood incest. 114 00:07:13,642 --> 00:07:16,792 - When did Megan tell you this? - Only recently. 115 00:07:16,792 --> 00:07:19,637 She built a wall between herself and her father, 116 00:07:19,637 --> 00:07:24,638 but after months of hard work the floodgates finally opened 117 00:07:24,638 --> 00:07:26,122 and the truth came out. 118 00:07:26,122 --> 00:07:27,857 Why didn't you report the abuse? 119 00:07:27,857 --> 00:07:30,812 Megan's an adult. I couldn't break confidentiality. 120 00:07:30,812 --> 00:07:34,619 The only reason I'm talking to you is because she gave me permission. 121 00:07:34,619 --> 00:07:36,665 What about her younger sisters? 122 00:07:36,665 --> 00:07:41,056 I repeatedly asked her if she thought they were at risk, 123 00:07:41,056 --> 00:07:45,502 and she always said no, until yesterday. 124 00:07:45,841 --> 00:07:51,514 She called and she said that she'd reported her father for abusing Lily. 125 00:07:52,254 --> 00:07:57,779 Is Megan emotionally ready for the strain of a police investigation? 126 00:07:57,779 --> 00:08:03,421 She's still healing, but she came to you, 127 00:08:03,421 --> 00:08:08,103 so that tells me she's on the road to recovery. 128 00:08:08,597 --> 00:08:11,134 I had to go to the basement to dig up this file. 129 00:08:11,134 --> 00:08:12,443 How long has it been there? 130 00:08:12,443 --> 00:08:15,069 Seven years, when Megan Ramsey was 11. 131 00:08:15,069 --> 00:08:16,457 Who reported it? 132 00:08:16,457 --> 00:08:19,639 A resident in the emergency room at Mercy General. 133 00:08:19,639 --> 00:08:23,351 Her mother brought her in for vaginal bleeding after a bicycle accident. 134 00:08:23,351 --> 00:08:26,013 Megan told them she'd been having trouble urinating, 135 00:08:26,013 --> 00:08:28,883 and when he noticed bruising on her backside, he called. 136 00:08:28,883 --> 00:08:30,766 Your investigation turn up anything? 137 00:08:30,766 --> 00:08:34,484 Megan said she got the bruises riding horses at her grandfather's farm. 138 00:08:34,484 --> 00:08:36,309 What about the other problem? 139 00:08:36,309 --> 00:08:37,974 We contacted her pediatrician. 140 00:08:37,974 --> 00:08:40,964 He told us Megan had a minor urinary tract infection 141 00:08:40,964 --> 00:08:43,090 from taking too many bubble baths. 142 00:08:43,090 --> 00:08:46,653 After a series of follow-up visits, the case was closed. 143 00:08:46,653 --> 00:08:48,115 Thank you. 144 00:08:48,414 --> 00:08:51,107 Our complaining witness appears to have a history of emotional problems. 145 00:08:51,107 --> 00:08:52,310 She's an incest victim. 146 00:08:52,310 --> 00:08:54,451 Doesn't necessarily make her an unreliable witness. 147 00:08:54,451 --> 00:08:56,550 This man is a community leader. 148 00:08:56,550 --> 00:08:58,978 He's known for his good works and political clout. 149 00:08:58,978 --> 00:09:00,559 So let's make sure we have our ammunition 150 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,686 before going to war with his lawyers. 151 00:09:02,686 --> 00:09:05,797 - Mind if I join the party? - Well, it depends on what you brought. 152 00:09:06,090 --> 00:09:09,598 Evan Ramsey was investigated for child abuse against Megan seven years ago, 153 00:09:09,598 --> 00:09:12,756 but the case worker found no evidence to support the charge. 154 00:09:12,756 --> 00:09:14,617 Rebecca didn't mention anything about that. 155 00:09:14,617 --> 00:09:18,073 Well, it wouldn't be the first time a wife chose her husband over her children. 156 00:09:18,073 --> 00:09:19,198 Since Evan's out of town, 157 00:09:19,198 --> 00:09:22,318 find out as much as you can before he gets back. 158 00:09:22,318 --> 00:09:24,076 They're here. 159 00:09:24,076 --> 00:09:25,507 Okay, separate rooms. 160 00:09:25,507 --> 00:09:27,809 See if either one confirms Megan's story. 161 00:09:27,809 --> 00:09:31,381 Meanwhile, I'll see if I can wear down Mom with my charm. 162 00:09:31,685 --> 00:09:35,344 So, Lily, do you spend a lot of time together with your daddy? 163 00:09:35,344 --> 00:09:41,739 Well, sometimes we go to the park and we ride the horses. 164 00:09:41,739 --> 00:09:43,909 What else do you do together? 165 00:09:43,909 --> 00:09:47,597 He reads stories to me 166 00:09:47,597 --> 00:09:52,757 - and we play games. - Yeah? What kind of games? 167 00:09:58,958 --> 00:10:01,823 What is it, honey? 168 00:10:02,718 --> 00:10:05,447 Why is everybody mad at my daddy? 169 00:10:05,447 --> 00:10:07,453 Well, what makes you think that we're mad? 170 00:10:07,453 --> 00:10:10,607 Megan said he was doing bad things. 171 00:10:10,607 --> 00:10:12,380 What kind of bad things? 172 00:10:12,380 --> 00:10:14,745 I don't know. 173 00:10:15,837 --> 00:10:20,210 Lily, does your dad ever do things that you don't like? 174 00:10:20,210 --> 00:10:26,225 Well, sometimes he yells and says bad words. 175 00:10:26,225 --> 00:10:28,505 What else does he do that you don't like? 176 00:10:28,505 --> 00:10:30,232 Nothing. 177 00:10:30,232 --> 00:10:32,801 My daddy loves me. 178 00:10:33,126 --> 00:10:34,250 I don't understand. 179 00:10:34,250 --> 00:10:37,644 Well, did your dad ever touch you in a way that, 180 00:10:37,644 --> 00:10:39,289 you know, made you feel uncomfortable? 181 00:10:39,289 --> 00:10:42,373 No. He's a great dad. He'd never do anything like that. 182 00:10:42,373 --> 00:10:43,789 How about with your sisters? 183 00:10:43,789 --> 00:10:46,808 No. Sometimes he and Megan would argue, 184 00:10:46,808 --> 00:10:48,821 but he was just trying to keep her out of trouble. 185 00:10:48,821 --> 00:10:50,607 Yeah? What kind of trouble? 186 00:10:50,607 --> 00:10:53,444 He said her boyfriend was bad news. 187 00:10:53,444 --> 00:10:57,046 She thought he was trying to control her life. 188 00:10:57,046 --> 00:10:59,681 How's his relationship with Lily? 189 00:10:59,681 --> 00:11:01,872 He never yells at her. 190 00:11:01,872 --> 00:11:03,950 He spend a lot of time with her? 191 00:11:03,950 --> 00:11:06,062 I guess. 192 00:11:06,723 --> 00:11:09,082 So what do they do when they hang out? 193 00:11:09,082 --> 00:11:11,855 They go to the park and he reads to her. 194 00:11:11,855 --> 00:11:14,659 - Just the usual stuff. - Usual stuff? 195 00:11:14,659 --> 00:11:17,163 Anything else? 196 00:11:20,448 --> 00:11:21,717 Go on. 197 00:11:21,717 --> 00:11:26,119 - It probably doesn't mean anything. - So tell me anyway. 198 00:11:27,732 --> 00:11:30,793 Sometimes he goes to her room at night, 199 00:11:30,793 --> 00:11:33,337 and I hear crying. 200 00:11:33,888 --> 00:11:35,791 And? 201 00:11:35,791 --> 00:11:41,024 He still gives her baths with the door locked. 202 00:11:41,024 --> 00:11:42,649 And a few nights ago, 203 00:11:42,649 --> 00:11:45,972 I woke up in the middle of the night to get a drink of water, 204 00:11:45,972 --> 00:11:48,817 and I saw him changing Lily's sheets. 205 00:11:48,817 --> 00:11:52,843 She was crying in the corner with her bottoms off. 206 00:11:52,843 --> 00:11:57,890 Dad was acting weird. He said she wet the bed. 207 00:12:01,235 --> 00:12:03,008 But... 208 00:12:03,564 --> 00:12:05,558 But what? 209 00:12:07,061 --> 00:12:10,909 She hasn't wet the bed since she was two. 210 00:12:15,918 --> 00:12:19,213 I don't believe this. It can't be true. 211 00:12:19,213 --> 00:12:22,282 Mrs. Ramsey, I know this isn't easy, but we're grasping at straws. 212 00:12:22,282 --> 00:12:23,269 I've heard enough. 213 00:12:23,269 --> 00:12:25,412 If you give us permission to search Lily's room, 214 00:12:25,412 --> 00:12:27,353 we just might come up with some answers. 215 00:12:27,353 --> 00:12:29,733 I can't take this anymore. 216 00:12:34,629 --> 00:12:40,380 Mrs. Ramsey, there's someone here to see you. 217 00:12:47,026 --> 00:12:48,754 Megan. 218 00:12:48,754 --> 00:12:52,362 Detective Benson told me you'd be here. 219 00:12:55,492 --> 00:13:00,746 It's not true. It can't be. 220 00:13:02,643 --> 00:13:05,345 He raped me, Mother. 221 00:13:05,345 --> 00:13:10,792 I was 12 years old. Where were you? 222 00:13:11,874 --> 00:13:14,967 Why didn't you help me? 223 00:13:17,052 --> 00:13:19,423 I didn't know. 224 00:13:20,031 --> 00:13:23,556 I swear to God I didn't know. 225 00:13:27,645 --> 00:13:31,326 We're going to need physical examinations on Jody and Lily, 226 00:13:31,326 --> 00:13:33,964 and permission to search your house. 227 00:13:33,964 --> 00:13:36,705 Do whatever you need to do. 228 00:13:38,165 --> 00:13:41,146 I want my children safe. 229 00:13:46,914 --> 00:13:48,925 He'll be home any minute. 230 00:13:48,925 --> 00:13:50,468 We'll handle the introductions. 231 00:13:50,468 --> 00:13:52,132 Olivia! 232 00:13:54,707 --> 00:13:56,502 What do you got? 233 00:13:58,079 --> 00:14:01,257 Kiddie porn right under Lily's mattress. 234 00:14:01,257 --> 00:14:02,903 There you go. 235 00:14:03,234 --> 00:14:05,391 Got something else, Detectives. 236 00:14:05,846 --> 00:14:07,780 Men's underwear. 237 00:14:07,921 --> 00:14:09,311 Rebecca? 238 00:14:09,311 --> 00:14:11,945 - Everything okay? - Bag it all. / You got it. 239 00:14:11,945 --> 00:14:14,346 What the hell is going on here? 240 00:14:15,393 --> 00:14:18,479 Evan Ramsey, New York City detectives. We'd like you to come with us. 241 00:14:18,479 --> 00:14:19,772 I'm not going anywhere till somebody tells me... 242 00:14:19,772 --> 00:14:21,897 - We just want to ask you a few questions. - Look, you have no right to... 243 00:14:21,897 --> 00:14:23,929 Please, Mr. Ramsey, for the sake of your daughters, 244 00:14:23,929 --> 00:14:26,597 let's not do this in front of them. 245 00:14:37,428 --> 00:14:39,994 I didn't rape my daughter. 246 00:14:39,994 --> 00:14:43,002 - That's not what Megan says. - She's angry and confused. 247 00:14:43,002 --> 00:14:44,182 About what? 248 00:14:44,182 --> 00:14:46,229 I threatened to pull the plug on her college tuition 249 00:14:46,229 --> 00:14:49,248 if she didn't drop that boyfriend and start buckling down. 250 00:14:49,248 --> 00:14:51,190 So she's crying rape to get back at you? 251 00:14:51,190 --> 00:14:53,355 I have no idea why she's doing this. 252 00:14:53,355 --> 00:14:54,620 I have tried to get through to her, 253 00:14:54,620 --> 00:14:56,902 and she just keeps pulling further away from me. 254 00:14:56,902 --> 00:15:00,916 I mean, I... I try to hug her, she recoils like I'm contagious. 255 00:15:00,916 --> 00:15:05,389 She said she saw you fondling Lily in her own bed. 256 00:15:07,370 --> 00:15:09,272 I was helping her put on her pajamas. 257 00:15:09,272 --> 00:15:11,245 What about the visits to her room in the middle of the night? 258 00:15:11,245 --> 00:15:14,081 - She has nightmares, for God's sake. - Nightmares, huh? 259 00:15:14,081 --> 00:15:16,111 I wonder if these caused them. 260 00:15:16,111 --> 00:15:17,824 What? 261 00:15:19,284 --> 00:15:20,363 These are disgusting. 262 00:15:20,363 --> 00:15:23,561 Well, we found them in Lily's room, along with a pair of your underwear. 263 00:15:23,561 --> 00:15:24,755 This is ridiculous. 264 00:15:24,755 --> 00:15:26,816 The pictures were printed on a digital printer 265 00:15:26,816 --> 00:15:28,497 just like the one next to your computer. 266 00:15:28,497 --> 00:15:29,940 I only use that computer for business. 267 00:15:29,940 --> 00:15:31,289 Yeah? That's some business. 268 00:15:31,289 --> 00:15:34,625 Look, I know this has gotta come as a big shock to you, 269 00:15:34,625 --> 00:15:36,871 but on some level also a relief. 270 00:15:36,871 --> 00:15:39,627 Now you get the chance to clear the decks, get some help. 271 00:15:39,627 --> 00:15:42,311 Megan has already broken her silence. 272 00:15:42,311 --> 00:15:45,196 It's only a matter of time before your other daughters join her. 273 00:15:45,196 --> 00:15:46,699 I haven't done anything wrong. 274 00:15:46,699 --> 00:15:49,458 Do you have any idea what they do to child molesters in prison? 275 00:15:49,458 --> 00:15:51,311 I'm sure that they'll grow very attached to you 276 00:15:51,311 --> 00:15:54,231 once they find out why you're there. 277 00:15:55,121 --> 00:15:57,845 - I want my lawyer. - Fine. 278 00:15:57,845 --> 00:15:59,935 Do we have anything to corroborate the rape? 279 00:15:59,935 --> 00:16:01,469 Only Megan's testimony. 280 00:16:01,469 --> 00:16:03,823 Any physical evidence is long gone. 281 00:16:03,823 --> 00:16:05,046 And Lily? 282 00:16:05,046 --> 00:16:08,535 Medical exam showed vaginal irritation, but nothing conclusive. 283 00:16:08,535 --> 00:16:10,817 Jody's was negative. 284 00:16:10,817 --> 00:16:13,115 That leaves us with the photos and the underwear. 285 00:16:13,115 --> 00:16:16,916 But Lily still hasn't provided testimony linking them to her alleged abuse. 286 00:16:16,916 --> 00:16:18,529 Megan passed the poly. 287 00:16:18,529 --> 00:16:19,953 You know that's inadmissible. 288 00:16:19,953 --> 00:16:21,461 It confirms her story. 289 00:16:21,461 --> 00:16:25,412 We let him go, he goes right back home to his daughters. 290 00:16:26,495 --> 00:16:29,855 All right. Arrest him for the rape. 291 00:16:32,498 --> 00:16:35,328 - Where's my lawyer? - He knows where to find you. 292 00:16:35,328 --> 00:16:36,649 - I want to know why. - Rebecca. 293 00:16:36,649 --> 00:16:38,128 - Rebecca, come with me. - No, let me do this! 294 00:16:38,128 --> 00:16:39,982 - Wasn't I enough? - How could you even think that? 295 00:16:39,982 --> 00:16:41,674 - I trusted you! - My God, look at me! 296 00:16:41,674 --> 00:16:43,731 Do you think that I could ever hurt them? 297 00:16:43,731 --> 00:16:46,787 - You disgust me! - Rebecca! Please... 298 00:16:46,787 --> 00:16:48,456 Don't do this! 299 00:16:48,456 --> 00:16:49,716 Stop! 300 00:16:55,993 --> 00:16:58,379 Arraignment Part 44 Thursday, February 15 301 00:16:58,379 --> 00:17:00,594 Mr. Ramsey, how do you plead? 302 00:17:00,594 --> 00:17:01,713 Not guilty. 303 00:17:01,713 --> 00:17:05,468 Your Honor, the defendant's financial resources alone make him a serious flight risk. 304 00:17:05,468 --> 00:17:08,747 Your Honor, Mr. Ramsey's contributions to the community are well known. 305 00:17:08,747 --> 00:17:11,296 He's not going anywhere and he's a danger to no one. 306 00:17:11,296 --> 00:17:14,156 Except perhaps to his daughters. 307 00:17:14,156 --> 00:17:18,574 I'm setting bail at $500,000, or $5 million surety. 308 00:17:18,574 --> 00:17:20,692 Your Honor, given the nature of the offenses charged, 309 00:17:20,692 --> 00:17:22,556 the People request an order of protection 310 00:17:22,556 --> 00:17:24,752 barring the defendant from entering the family residence 311 00:17:24,752 --> 00:17:28,283 or from coming within 100 yards of his children. 312 00:17:28,283 --> 00:17:30,090 So ordered. 313 00:17:32,227 --> 00:17:34,527 So I hear that your daddy reads to you. 314 00:17:34,527 --> 00:17:35,926 Yeah. 315 00:17:35,926 --> 00:17:38,026 What's your favorite story? 316 00:17:38,026 --> 00:17:41,265 I took her to see Megan's therapist. 317 00:17:41,265 --> 00:17:45,223 Afterwards, she rattled off the symptoms like a shopping list. 318 00:17:45,223 --> 00:17:48,635 The crying, the sleepless nights. 319 00:17:49,076 --> 00:17:56,432 She says Lily's blocking it all out because it's too much for her to bear. 320 00:17:56,432 --> 00:17:59,369 It's so clear now. 321 00:17:59,898 --> 00:18:02,274 Why didn't I see it? 322 00:18:02,274 --> 00:18:06,342 Because he went through a lot of trouble to make sure that you didn't. 323 00:18:07,424 --> 00:18:08,680 Can I talk to her? 324 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,069 Please. 325 00:18:11,771 --> 00:18:13,109 Well? 326 00:18:13,109 --> 00:18:14,922 She hasn't disclosed anything. 327 00:18:14,922 --> 00:18:16,114 She's scared. 328 00:18:16,114 --> 00:18:17,334 Wouldn't you be? 329 00:18:17,334 --> 00:18:19,478 She knows her father's in trouble and she's the cause. 330 00:18:19,478 --> 00:18:21,309 If we don't get her testimony by day after tomorrow, 331 00:18:21,309 --> 00:18:23,829 I can't indict her case with Megan's. 332 00:18:23,829 --> 00:18:25,481 Megan's case can't stand on its own. 333 00:18:25,481 --> 00:18:28,309 I'll do the best I can, but it's a slow dance, 334 00:18:28,309 --> 00:18:30,413 and I have to follow her lead. 335 00:18:30,952 --> 00:18:33,576 Police Crime Lab 1 Centre Street Thursday, February 15 336 00:18:33,576 --> 00:18:36,758 DNA analysis matched hair and fluids in the underwear to Evan Ramsey, 337 00:18:36,758 --> 00:18:40,761 but we found nothing in the bed sheets or Lily's nightclothes. 338 00:18:40,761 --> 00:18:42,293 What about the pictures? 339 00:18:42,293 --> 00:18:44,769 Even with ninhydrin, we couldn't raise any prints. 340 00:18:44,769 --> 00:18:46,865 In other words, we got a big fat zero. 341 00:18:46,865 --> 00:18:49,025 Not quite. Take a look at the photo. 342 00:18:49,025 --> 00:18:52,617 The border was found in a trash container in Lily's bathroom. 343 00:18:52,968 --> 00:18:55,873 See how it matches the cut pattern on the bottom? 344 00:18:55,873 --> 00:18:58,569 Look at the date. February 13. 345 00:18:58,569 --> 00:19:00,687 Yeah, it's the date they were downloaded. 346 00:19:00,687 --> 00:19:02,139 Tuesday. 347 00:19:02,139 --> 00:19:03,627 You thinking what I'm thinking? 348 00:19:03,627 --> 00:19:06,791 Evan was in Baltimore on Tuesday. 349 00:19:07,144 --> 00:19:10,938 I'm computer illiterate. I can't even turn the damn thing on. 350 00:19:10,938 --> 00:19:12,390 What about your children? 351 00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:14,484 You can't be serious. 352 00:19:14,484 --> 00:19:17,325 Did it ever occur to you that the date might have been set wrong? 353 00:19:17,325 --> 00:19:18,495 We'll check that out. 354 00:19:18,495 --> 00:19:21,145 But in the meantime, we need to cover all of our bases. 355 00:19:21,145 --> 00:19:22,335 My kids were at school, 356 00:19:22,335 --> 00:19:25,072 and I was at my lawyer's office filing for divorce. 357 00:19:25,072 --> 00:19:26,296 And where was Megan? 358 00:19:26,296 --> 00:19:27,625 Megan doesn't live here. 359 00:19:27,625 --> 00:19:30,474 - But she has a key. - Yeah. 360 00:19:30,474 --> 00:19:32,587 And where were you Tuesday morning? 361 00:19:32,587 --> 00:19:34,480 I was at the grocery store. 362 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,566 So no one can say for sure whether Megan came home or not. 363 00:19:38,566 --> 00:19:41,579 All I know is Megan has a chemistry class every Tuesday morning. 364 00:19:41,579 --> 00:19:43,137 Did she go? 365 00:19:43,137 --> 00:19:45,111 You'd have to ask her. 366 00:19:45,335 --> 00:19:47,049 I dropped chemistry. 367 00:19:47,049 --> 00:19:49,429 I haven't been able to concentrate very well this semester. 368 00:19:49,429 --> 00:19:51,234 So what have you been doing with your Tuesday mornings? 369 00:19:51,234 --> 00:19:53,737 I've been working with a tutor, trying to catch up on my other classes. 370 00:19:53,737 --> 00:19:55,715 - This tutor got a name? - Michael Tobin. 371 00:19:55,715 --> 00:19:58,733 - Were you with him last Tuesday? - No. 372 00:19:58,733 --> 00:20:00,757 Thought you just said you had a tutor. 373 00:20:00,757 --> 00:20:02,756 He was my boyfriend. We broke up last week. 374 00:20:02,756 --> 00:20:04,191 So where were you then? 375 00:20:04,191 --> 00:20:06,347 - In the library studying. - Anyone with you? 376 00:20:06,347 --> 00:20:08,295 Yeah, lots of people. It's mid-terms. 377 00:20:08,295 --> 00:20:12,625 Look, I'm going to be late for a class. Can we talk about this later? 378 00:20:15,204 --> 00:20:16,667 You gotta be kidding me. 379 00:20:16,667 --> 00:20:18,326 Hard drives don't lie. 380 00:20:18,326 --> 00:20:20,929 This one shows nothing but spreadsheets, business correspondence, 381 00:20:20,929 --> 00:20:23,094 and a couple of hits on a stock-trading website. 382 00:20:23,094 --> 00:20:25,655 - What about his laptop? - Clean as a whistle. 383 00:20:25,655 --> 00:20:27,814 So his account was accessed by another computer. 384 00:20:27,814 --> 00:20:30,042 Someone who knows his password. 385 00:20:30,042 --> 00:20:32,050 Can you give us the location of the download? 386 00:20:32,050 --> 00:20:35,378 You'd have to talk to the ISP for that. 387 00:20:36,023 --> 00:20:38,342 If Evan didn't download those pictures, then who did? 388 00:20:38,342 --> 00:20:39,625 And why? 389 00:20:39,625 --> 00:20:42,537 The only one who can tell us what happened in that bedroom is Lily. 390 00:20:42,537 --> 00:20:44,924 She's not talking. At least not to us. 391 00:20:44,924 --> 00:20:46,937 But she did talk to Megan's therapist. 392 00:20:46,937 --> 00:20:49,861 Does Dr. Wharton accept walk-ins? 393 00:20:50,313 --> 00:20:52,273 I'm not surprised she's resisting. 394 00:20:52,273 --> 00:20:54,204 We really need her testimony. 395 00:20:54,204 --> 00:20:55,624 Megan's isn't enough? 396 00:20:55,624 --> 00:20:58,588 Without Lily to corroborate, it's just Evan's word against Megan's. 397 00:20:58,588 --> 00:21:01,776 Excuse me. / Our psychiatrist thinks that Lily's protecting her father. 398 00:21:01,776 --> 00:21:04,680 She may feel more comfortable talking to you. 399 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,686 I've only seen her once, but we did develop a rapport. 400 00:21:07,686 --> 00:21:09,255 I'll clear my schedule. 401 00:21:09,255 --> 00:21:11,112 Well, we appreciate that. 402 00:21:11,815 --> 00:21:13,508 Sure. Okay. 403 00:21:13,508 --> 00:21:15,085 All right, bye. 404 00:21:15,714 --> 00:21:17,978 Munch checked with Evan's internet service provider. 405 00:21:17,978 --> 00:21:23,615 The kiddie porn was downloaded to a terminal at the student library at Columbia. 406 00:21:25,612 --> 00:21:28,791 Those pictures were downloaded while your father was out of town. 407 00:21:28,791 --> 00:21:31,009 You put the pictures under the mattress. 408 00:21:31,009 --> 00:21:33,636 No. / You planted your father's underwear in the sheets. 409 00:21:33,636 --> 00:21:36,784 - No. - Why did you do it, Megan? 410 00:21:39,196 --> 00:21:40,605 He was going to get away with it again. 411 00:21:40,605 --> 00:21:42,672 Well, tell us the truth. Maybe we can help. 412 00:21:42,672 --> 00:21:44,968 No one can help. 413 00:21:44,968 --> 00:21:47,173 He's too powerful. 414 00:21:48,879 --> 00:21:50,531 When he came to my apartment, 415 00:21:50,531 --> 00:21:55,263 he threatened to sue my therapist and send me to a mental hospital. 416 00:21:55,538 --> 00:21:57,016 Who would believe me then? 417 00:21:57,016 --> 00:22:03,436 Some crazy girl telling wild stories about her sex fiend father? 418 00:22:03,436 --> 00:22:07,980 I had to stop him. I couldn't let it happen again. 419 00:22:11,383 --> 00:22:14,322 Motion Hearing Part 65 Tuesday, February 20 420 00:22:14,322 --> 00:22:16,040 In light of these developments, 421 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,464 we submit the People have no case, 422 00:22:18,464 --> 00:22:22,475 and therefore move that the charges against my client be dismissed. 423 00:22:22,475 --> 00:22:24,637 Your Honor, the evidence in question has no bearing 424 00:22:24,637 --> 00:22:26,594 on the rape case pending before this court. 425 00:22:26,594 --> 00:22:30,477 But it does bring into serious question the veracity of the complaining witness. 426 00:22:30,477 --> 00:22:33,287 With no physical evidence to support her allegations, 427 00:22:33,287 --> 00:22:36,108 the People have failed to meet their obligations under the law. 428 00:22:36,108 --> 00:22:38,877 Have the People anything new to present? 429 00:22:38,877 --> 00:22:40,715 No, Your Honor. 430 00:22:40,715 --> 00:22:43,106 Then I have to agree with Mr. Wilmington. 431 00:22:43,106 --> 00:22:44,923 Case dismissed. 432 00:22:44,923 --> 00:22:48,536 Mr. Ramsey, you're free to go with the court's apology. 433 00:22:53,674 --> 00:22:58,123 Megan, honey, I know you didn't mean to do this. 434 00:23:01,307 --> 00:23:04,432 I want you moved out by the end of the week. 435 00:23:13,849 --> 00:23:15,293 What a mess. 436 00:23:15,293 --> 00:23:17,038 If Megan hadn't screwed up the investigation, 437 00:23:17,038 --> 00:23:18,792 we might have nailed him. 438 00:23:19,345 --> 00:23:20,704 Stabler. 439 00:23:20,704 --> 00:23:22,671 She's trying to protect her sister. 440 00:23:22,671 --> 00:23:25,017 Yeah, well, the road to hell's paved with good intentions. 441 00:23:25,017 --> 00:23:26,507 It doesn't mean she wasn't raped. 442 00:23:26,507 --> 00:23:28,077 Now we'll never prove it. 443 00:23:28,077 --> 00:23:29,288 And if she's telling the truth, 444 00:23:29,288 --> 00:23:31,442 that means that he got away with it all over again. 445 00:23:31,442 --> 00:23:33,987 Not quite. That was the Captain. 446 00:23:33,987 --> 00:23:36,450 Evan Ramsey was murdered. 447 00:23:42,309 --> 00:23:46,049 Dropped him on the spot. Single gunshot to the chest. 448 00:23:46,049 --> 00:23:48,733 Powder burns indicate close range. 449 00:23:48,733 --> 00:23:50,245 When? 450 00:23:50,245 --> 00:23:52,097 No rigor. Blood's still pooling. 451 00:23:53,904 --> 00:23:56,289 This is Richard Weiss, one of the company executives. 452 00:23:56,289 --> 00:23:58,351 He discovered the body. 453 00:23:59,099 --> 00:24:00,926 Let's take a walk, Mr. Weiss. 454 00:24:00,926 --> 00:24:03,426 We were both working late. 455 00:24:03,426 --> 00:24:05,874 About 9:00 I cut out to grab some dinner. 456 00:24:05,874 --> 00:24:09,511 I came back to pick up some papers and saw the light on. 457 00:24:09,511 --> 00:24:11,861 Went in to say good night, and there he was, 458 00:24:11,861 --> 00:24:14,107 just lying there, blood everywhere. 459 00:24:14,107 --> 00:24:16,597 - About what time was that? - 10:30, 11:00. 460 00:24:16,597 --> 00:24:20,094 - You see anyone else? - Not a soul. 461 00:24:21,219 --> 00:24:24,510 You have any idea who might have done this? 462 00:24:24,510 --> 00:24:26,889 Evan's style put off a lot of people, 463 00:24:26,889 --> 00:24:30,864 but no one would do something like this. 464 00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:32,792 Unless... 465 00:24:33,023 --> 00:24:34,316 Unless what? 466 00:24:34,316 --> 00:24:36,693 Things were pretty tense between him and his father-in-law. 467 00:24:36,693 --> 00:24:38,036 - Charles Southerland? - Yeah. 468 00:24:38,036 --> 00:24:40,705 Ever since Evan took the company public, the old man's been on a tear, 469 00:24:40,705 --> 00:24:43,991 claiming Evan stole the business he built from the ground up. 470 00:24:43,991 --> 00:24:47,359 The molestation charges just seemed to add fuel to the fire. 471 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,261 Get him hot enough to do this? 472 00:24:49,261 --> 00:24:50,103 I don't know. 473 00:24:50,103 --> 00:24:52,836 But this afternoon, he stormed into Evan's office 474 00:24:52,836 --> 00:24:55,911 - and went into a tirade. - About what? 475 00:24:55,911 --> 00:24:58,003 He called Evan a rapist. 476 00:24:58,003 --> 00:24:59,328 Told him he wasn't going to get away with it, 477 00:24:59,328 --> 00:25:00,697 no matter what the courts said. 478 00:25:00,697 --> 00:25:01,910 How'd Evan react? 479 00:25:01,910 --> 00:25:03,610 He tried to reason with him. 480 00:25:03,610 --> 00:25:05,489 The old man wouldn't listen. 481 00:25:05,489 --> 00:25:09,697 They'd have come to blows if security hadn't escorted the old guy out. 482 00:25:11,317 --> 00:25:14,739 Ornithoptera priamus poseidon. 483 00:25:14,739 --> 00:25:18,140 Cairns Birdwing. It's quite a rare prize. 484 00:25:18,140 --> 00:25:21,375 You don't seem too upset about your son-in-law's untimely death. 485 00:25:21,375 --> 00:25:25,061 If you're asking me if I'm glad he's dead, the answer is yes. 486 00:25:25,061 --> 00:25:28,033 If you're asking me if I killed him, the answer is no. 487 00:25:28,033 --> 00:25:30,706 Although, I'd like to buy the fellow who did it a drink. 488 00:25:30,706 --> 00:25:32,252 Well, it must have stuck in your craw 489 00:25:32,252 --> 00:25:34,273 when the charges against your son-in-law were dropped. 490 00:25:34,273 --> 00:25:37,756 Yes. But things have a way of working out, don't they? 491 00:25:37,756 --> 00:25:39,901 After dinner, where did you and your daughter go? 492 00:25:39,901 --> 00:25:41,871 I took her home, 493 00:25:41,871 --> 00:25:44,132 came back here, 494 00:25:44,132 --> 00:25:47,026 poured myself a Scotch, and went to bed. 495 00:25:47,026 --> 00:25:49,419 Evan was killed by a .32 slug. 496 00:25:49,419 --> 00:25:52,674 You own a.32 caliber Derringer, don't you? 497 00:25:52,674 --> 00:25:54,390 Yes. 498 00:25:54,603 --> 00:25:58,276 An LM5 Simmerling with a scrimshaw handle. 499 00:25:58,276 --> 00:26:01,410 - Legally registered. - We'd like to see it. 500 00:26:02,196 --> 00:26:03,825 Right this way. 501 00:26:04,965 --> 00:26:07,772 I also have an authentic Revolutionary musket, 502 00:26:07,772 --> 00:26:12,280 a pearl-handled Colt .45 and a World War I Luger. 503 00:26:12,577 --> 00:26:15,663 Keep them all in top firing condition, too. 504 00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:20,745 There a problem, Mr. Southerland? 505 00:26:20,745 --> 00:26:22,316 It's gone. 506 00:26:22,316 --> 00:26:23,736 Gone? 507 00:26:23,736 --> 00:26:25,900 My gun. It's supposed to be in here. 508 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:28,197 You'd better come with us. 509 00:26:30,528 --> 00:26:32,762 Evan stole your company. 510 00:26:32,762 --> 00:26:34,188 He molested your grandchildren. 511 00:26:34,188 --> 00:26:36,507 We can certainly understand why you'd want justice. 512 00:26:36,507 --> 00:26:38,491 You've got it all figured out, don't you? 513 00:26:38,491 --> 00:26:41,150 Company executives heard you arguing just a few hours before. 514 00:26:41,150 --> 00:26:43,553 And now your.32 caliber Derringer's missing. 515 00:26:43,553 --> 00:26:45,651 You care to explain that? 516 00:26:49,773 --> 00:26:51,948 Think of your family. 517 00:26:52,654 --> 00:26:56,852 After all they've been through, isn't it time just to put an end to all of this? 518 00:26:56,852 --> 00:27:01,790 Don't presume to tell me about my family, Detective. 519 00:27:02,667 --> 00:27:03,881 How does he look? 520 00:27:03,881 --> 00:27:06,529 Opportunity, motive, access to a weapon, 521 00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:08,409 but I don't know. 522 00:27:08,409 --> 00:27:11,017 What? / The guy seemed genuinely surprised that his gun was missing. 523 00:27:11,017 --> 00:27:12,796 I mean, you'd think that if he's going to murder somebody, 524 00:27:12,796 --> 00:27:16,151 he'd at least concoct a plausible explanation for its disappearance. 525 00:27:16,151 --> 00:27:17,856 Yeah, and sometimes they just freeze 526 00:27:17,856 --> 00:27:20,228 when they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar. 527 00:27:20,228 --> 00:27:23,675 A CSU conducted another canvass. 528 00:27:23,675 --> 00:27:28,305 Located a .32 caliber Simmerling Derringer in a sewer drain 529 00:27:28,305 --> 00:27:30,975 in the parking structure of Southerland's office building. 530 00:27:30,975 --> 00:27:33,435 They're running a check now. 531 00:27:39,008 --> 00:27:40,615 Serial number matches. 532 00:27:40,615 --> 00:27:42,832 This is definitely Southerland's. 533 00:27:43,879 --> 00:27:47,833 Now, the bullet removed from Ramsey's body was on the left. 534 00:27:48,997 --> 00:27:52,383 The bullet from the water tank will be on your right. 535 00:27:53,202 --> 00:27:55,185 See the lands and grooves? 536 00:27:55,185 --> 00:27:57,787 Here and here. 537 00:27:58,515 --> 00:28:01,155 Identical twins. / You've found your murder weapon. 538 00:28:01,155 --> 00:28:02,244 Any prints? 539 00:28:02,244 --> 00:28:04,364 The water in the gutter degraded the surface of the gun, 540 00:28:04,364 --> 00:28:05,948 making it impossible to lift any. 541 00:28:05,948 --> 00:28:09,359 However, we got a couple of clean ones from the shell casings. 542 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,311 But unfortunately, Miguel, they don't match Southerland's prints. 543 00:28:13,311 --> 00:28:16,480 You got your weapon, not your killer. 544 00:28:17,727 --> 00:28:19,187 Where were you last night? 545 00:28:19,187 --> 00:28:22,539 I had dinner with my father, then came right home. 546 00:28:22,539 --> 00:28:25,469 - What time did you get in? - Around 9:00. 547 00:28:25,469 --> 00:28:27,534 And who else was here? 548 00:28:27,534 --> 00:28:30,538 My daughters and my housekeeper. 549 00:28:30,538 --> 00:28:32,905 - We all went to bed. - Mom. 550 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:35,625 What are they doing here? 551 00:28:35,625 --> 00:28:39,136 We were just talking to her about last night. 552 00:28:40,688 --> 00:28:44,164 I'm very sorry for your loss, but we have to ask you a few questions. 553 00:28:44,164 --> 00:28:45,138 Like what? 554 00:28:45,138 --> 00:28:47,751 Where were you between the hours of 7:00 and 11:00? 555 00:28:47,751 --> 00:28:50,797 I picked Jody up from her dance class and I brought her back here. 556 00:28:50,797 --> 00:28:54,552 - Can anyone corroborate that? - I can. 557 00:28:54,552 --> 00:28:55,690 She stayed the night. 558 00:28:55,690 --> 00:28:59,422 After what happened in court, I wanted all my children here with me. 559 00:28:59,422 --> 00:29:01,823 You had no other contact with your father? 560 00:29:01,823 --> 00:29:03,660 I cut my father out of my life. 561 00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:07,887 Megan, honey, could you check on your sisters for me? 562 00:29:10,066 --> 00:29:11,972 Is there a point to these questions? 563 00:29:11,972 --> 00:29:14,950 Your daughter planted evidence to incriminate him. 564 00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:17,069 And he raped her until she was 14. 565 00:29:17,069 --> 00:29:18,938 Maybe that evens things out. 566 00:29:18,938 --> 00:29:21,512 - What about you? - What about me? 567 00:29:21,512 --> 00:29:23,301 He molested your daughters. 568 00:29:23,301 --> 00:29:26,200 His death gives you a permanent order of protection. 569 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,398 He should burn in hell for what he did to my daughters, 570 00:29:29,398 --> 00:29:31,579 but I didn't kill him. 571 00:29:31,579 --> 00:29:34,981 Now, if you'll excuse me, my children need me. 572 00:29:34,981 --> 00:29:37,178 Marina will see you out. 573 00:29:39,339 --> 00:29:41,595 The only people who had access to Charles' gun collection 574 00:29:41,595 --> 00:29:42,944 were his immediate family. 575 00:29:42,944 --> 00:29:45,929 Rebecca claims all the kids were tucked into bed by 9:00. 576 00:29:45,929 --> 00:29:49,188 How convenient. A family of suspects giving each other an airtight alibi. 577 00:29:49,188 --> 00:29:50,682 - Except Megan's. - What you got? 578 00:29:50,682 --> 00:29:51,658 Phone records. 579 00:29:51,658 --> 00:29:53,978 Someone was placing phone calls to her father's office 580 00:29:53,978 --> 00:29:56,265 from her car phone between 9:30 and 10:00. 581 00:29:56,265 --> 00:29:58,052 She was supposed to be fast asleep. 582 00:29:58,052 --> 00:30:01,412 Sounds like Megan's airtight alibi just sprung a leak. 583 00:30:04,638 --> 00:30:06,591 You've been the Ramsey's housekeeper for how long? 584 00:30:06,591 --> 00:30:07,550 Ten years. 585 00:30:07,550 --> 00:30:10,412 What time did the lady of the house get in last Tuesday night? 586 00:30:10,412 --> 00:30:12,863 - About 9:00. - You sure? 587 00:30:12,863 --> 00:30:14,644 Tuesdays is The New Detectives on cable. 588 00:30:14,644 --> 00:30:16,803 I was watching when Mrs. Ramsey came home. 589 00:30:16,803 --> 00:30:18,675 She took a sleeping pill and went to bed. 590 00:30:18,675 --> 00:30:21,105 What about the girls? What time did they come home? 591 00:30:21,105 --> 00:30:22,385 Same time. 592 00:30:22,385 --> 00:30:25,350 But later they went out. 593 00:30:25,606 --> 00:30:27,344 What time did they get back? 594 00:30:27,344 --> 00:30:30,705 Charlie Rose was on by then, so it must have been after 11:00. 595 00:30:30,705 --> 00:30:32,528 They say anything? 596 00:30:32,528 --> 00:30:33,833 No. 597 00:30:33,833 --> 00:30:37,368 They just went up to Jody's room and closed the door. 598 00:30:38,492 --> 00:30:41,059 And? 599 00:30:41,482 --> 00:30:44,774 And I heard lots of crying. 600 00:30:46,111 --> 00:30:47,730 Mrs. Ramsey... 601 00:30:48,634 --> 00:30:50,706 We're meeting our priest. Can't this wait? 602 00:30:50,706 --> 00:30:52,620 Sorry, but it can't. 603 00:30:52,620 --> 00:30:55,251 I've already told you everything I know. 604 00:30:55,251 --> 00:30:58,244 Actually, we're here to speak with Jody. / Me? 605 00:30:58,244 --> 00:31:00,736 Your housekeeper said you left the house after your mother went to bed. 606 00:31:00,736 --> 00:31:02,447 Well, she's mistaken. 607 00:31:02,447 --> 00:31:05,574 The girls went to bed when I did. Tell them, Jody. 608 00:31:05,574 --> 00:31:07,100 You've already lied to your mother. 609 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:10,608 Don't make it any harder on yourself by lying now. 610 00:31:15,464 --> 00:31:17,793 Daddy had been calling Megan. 611 00:31:17,793 --> 00:31:19,502 She wanted him to admit what he'd done, 612 00:31:19,502 --> 00:31:21,589 but he said he wouldn't do it over the phone. 613 00:31:21,589 --> 00:31:23,602 So you drove to his office. 614 00:31:23,602 --> 00:31:25,090 What happened when you got there? 615 00:31:25,090 --> 00:31:26,656 Megan went inside. 616 00:31:26,656 --> 00:31:27,711 What about you? 617 00:31:27,711 --> 00:31:29,540 She told me to wait in the car. 618 00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:31,009 And then what? 619 00:31:31,009 --> 00:31:33,769 A few minutes later, she came back out and we left. 620 00:31:33,769 --> 00:31:36,079 She say anything about what happened? 621 00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,802 No, she didn't want to talk about it. 622 00:31:38,802 --> 00:31:40,785 We just got in the car and drove home. 623 00:31:40,785 --> 00:31:43,226 Mom was asleep, so we went to bed. 624 00:31:43,226 --> 00:31:45,616 Why didn't you tell me? 625 00:31:45,616 --> 00:31:48,210 We knew you were mad at us for seeing him, 626 00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:50,661 so we lied. 627 00:31:54,362 --> 00:31:55,913 Okay, let's go over that one more time. 628 00:31:55,913 --> 00:31:57,257 I told you, I don't remember. 629 00:31:57,257 --> 00:32:00,321 Megan, you're not doing yourself any favors here. 630 00:32:00,321 --> 00:32:03,111 We have your phone records. We know that you went to see him. 631 00:32:03,111 --> 00:32:05,530 - Just tell us what happened. - I would tell you if I could. 632 00:32:05,530 --> 00:32:07,579 Well, why can't you? 633 00:32:07,962 --> 00:32:10,001 Sometimes I black out. 634 00:32:10,001 --> 00:32:11,930 Oh, come on, Megan. You're gonna have to do better than that. 635 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,172 You took your grandfather's pistol and you shot your father. 636 00:32:14,172 --> 00:32:15,773 - No, I couldn't have. - Did he threaten you? 637 00:32:15,773 --> 00:32:17,897 I don't remember. 638 00:32:17,897 --> 00:32:20,931 I didn't remember I was raped until a few months ago. 639 00:32:20,931 --> 00:32:22,616 Ask my therapist. 640 00:32:22,616 --> 00:32:25,942 She said I couldn't get away from him, so I pushed out the memory. 641 00:32:25,942 --> 00:32:29,928 I wish it had stayed away, because now I can't forget it. 642 00:32:30,869 --> 00:32:34,528 I am no longer at liberty to discuss Megan's treatment. 643 00:32:34,528 --> 00:32:36,206 But you talked to us before. 644 00:32:36,206 --> 00:32:39,233 Megan has decided not to waive privilege. 645 00:32:39,233 --> 00:32:42,143 Well, she's a suspect in her father's murder. 646 00:32:42,143 --> 00:32:43,597 If you thought she was going to commit a crime, 647 00:32:43,597 --> 00:32:46,137 you're legally obligated to report it. 648 00:32:46,137 --> 00:32:50,398 I have been a therapist for 15 years, Detective. 649 00:32:50,398 --> 00:32:53,176 I don't need a lecture in ethics. 650 00:32:53,176 --> 00:32:57,096 Okay, can you answer some general questions about your treatment techniques? 651 00:32:57,096 --> 00:33:01,172 I'll try. / How exactly do you recover buried memories? 652 00:33:01,172 --> 00:33:04,776 With intense therapy. 653 00:33:06,217 --> 00:33:09,062 Can you be more specific? 654 00:33:09,605 --> 00:33:16,029 Generally, the process begins by recovering a flashback. 655 00:33:16,029 --> 00:33:20,129 A snapshot in time. 656 00:33:20,343 --> 00:33:24,749 And slowly, more and more snapshots appear 657 00:33:24,749 --> 00:33:28,587 until the collage becomes a complete picture. 658 00:33:28,587 --> 00:33:32,092 Once the patient faces what happened to her, 659 00:33:32,092 --> 00:33:33,802 she can begin to heal. 660 00:33:33,802 --> 00:33:36,777 How do you know if the patient's telling the truth? 661 00:33:36,777 --> 00:33:42,070 I engage a physician to administer sodium amytal. 662 00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:44,138 Truth serum. 663 00:33:46,066 --> 00:33:50,300 A tranquilizer that reduces resistance 664 00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:54,307 and enables the therapist to probe for inconsistencies 665 00:33:54,307 --> 00:33:56,346 and verify the memories. 666 00:33:56,346 --> 00:34:02,452 Okay, but what if you overlook your patient's inconsistencies? 667 00:34:02,452 --> 00:34:06,999 I don't overlook them, Detective, I explore them. 668 00:34:06,999 --> 00:34:09,430 I don't shy away from the tough cases, 669 00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:12,850 and I have an exemplary record of success 670 00:34:12,850 --> 00:34:14,676 where others have failed. 671 00:34:14,676 --> 00:34:17,336 Is Megan a success story? 672 00:34:18,997 --> 00:34:21,509 I think this conversation has gone on long enough. 673 00:34:21,509 --> 00:34:25,802 If you'll excuse me, my next appointment is waiting. 674 00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:31,239 Well, technically it's called the false memory syndrome, 675 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,811 but I call it the power of suggestion run amuck. 676 00:34:34,811 --> 00:34:37,646 She said that sodium amytal verifies memories. 677 00:34:37,646 --> 00:34:39,581 More like creates them. 678 00:34:39,581 --> 00:34:42,624 That's why it's fallen out of favor with most reputable therapists, 679 00:34:42,624 --> 00:34:46,200 but some die-hard advocates still administer it. 680 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,268 How does it work? 681 00:34:47,268 --> 00:34:50,186 It places the patient in a semi-hypnotic state, 682 00:34:50,186 --> 00:34:52,932 making them extremely vulnerable to manipulation. 683 00:34:52,932 --> 00:34:55,951 This is especially true if they're already in a fragile state. 684 00:34:55,951 --> 00:34:56,985 Like Megan. 685 00:34:56,985 --> 00:35:00,256 Right. She fits the profile. 686 00:35:00,543 --> 00:35:04,123 I remember reading this case in which a young woman had convinced the police 687 00:35:04,123 --> 00:35:06,870 to dig up a park in search of bodies of young boys 688 00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:08,548 that she claimed her father had buried there 689 00:35:08,548 --> 00:35:10,484 after raping and torturing them. 690 00:35:10,484 --> 00:35:12,895 The fact that no such bodies were ever found did not deter her 691 00:35:12,895 --> 00:35:14,574 from believing that they were still there. 692 00:35:14,574 --> 00:35:17,529 And then, later, it was revealed that the whole thing was planted in her head 693 00:35:17,529 --> 00:35:20,261 during a sodium amytal interview by her therapist. 694 00:35:20,261 --> 00:35:22,193 So there's a good chance that Megan was never raped. 695 00:35:22,193 --> 00:35:24,073 More than a chance. 696 00:35:25,576 --> 00:35:27,352 These are Megan's medical records. 697 00:35:27,352 --> 00:35:32,188 We got a subpoena when she canceled her physical exam for the third time. 698 00:35:32,875 --> 00:35:34,667 An intact hymen. 699 00:35:34,667 --> 00:35:36,660 She's a virgin. 700 00:35:39,131 --> 00:35:41,054 So Megan's memories of childhood rape... 701 00:35:41,054 --> 00:35:43,511 Are just figments of her therapist's imagination. 702 00:35:43,511 --> 00:35:46,824 And Evan Ramsey was accused on spectral evidence. 703 00:35:46,824 --> 00:35:49,157 And we all had a hand in it. 704 00:35:49,157 --> 00:35:51,405 However, the forensics aren't spectral. 705 00:35:51,405 --> 00:35:53,933 The lab matched the prints on the shell casings to Megan's. 706 00:35:53,933 --> 00:35:55,284 What about her state of mind? 707 00:35:55,284 --> 00:35:57,144 Megan believes that she was raped, 708 00:35:57,144 --> 00:35:58,678 but none of this would have happened 709 00:35:58,678 --> 00:36:01,473 if that therapist hadn't filled her mind with a lot of garbage. 710 00:36:01,473 --> 00:36:04,153 The therapist didn't pull the trigger. Megan did. 711 00:36:04,153 --> 00:36:07,007 Look, she planted those photographs and she lied about it. 712 00:36:07,007 --> 00:36:09,369 That shows a clear and logical state of mind. 713 00:36:09,369 --> 00:36:10,969 Her fingerprints are on the shell casings, 714 00:36:10,969 --> 00:36:13,262 and her own sister places her at the scene of the crime. 715 00:36:13,262 --> 00:36:15,060 Jody's not going to want to testify. 716 00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:16,210 Well, I'm issuing a subpoena. 717 00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:18,842 She'll testify or she'll be in contempt. 718 00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:22,236 Grand Jury Room 12 Friday, February 23 719 00:36:22,236 --> 00:36:25,361 Dad called Megan after the charges were dropped. 720 00:36:25,361 --> 00:36:29,750 He said he wanted to see her, to be a family again. 721 00:36:30,264 --> 00:36:34,238 She wanted to put an end to it, but she was scared. 722 00:36:34,238 --> 00:36:37,046 Is that why she asked you to come along? 723 00:36:37,046 --> 00:36:38,956 Yes. 724 00:36:39,763 --> 00:36:42,127 Where did you go? 725 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,861 Jody? 726 00:36:50,662 --> 00:36:53,578 We drove to my dad's office building. 727 00:36:53,578 --> 00:36:56,695 What happened when you got there? 728 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,579 Megan got out of the car and went inside. 729 00:37:00,579 --> 00:37:02,964 Where were you? 730 00:37:06,175 --> 00:37:11,211 I know this is really hard for you, but I need you to answer the question. 731 00:37:17,195 --> 00:37:19,936 She didn't do it. 732 00:37:20,546 --> 00:37:21,819 Jody... 733 00:37:21,819 --> 00:37:23,595 It was me. 734 00:37:23,595 --> 00:37:26,433 I didn't mean for it to happen. 735 00:37:26,433 --> 00:37:29,275 The gun just went off. 736 00:37:32,018 --> 00:37:35,107 I didn't mean to kill him. 737 00:37:37,547 --> 00:37:39,770 I'm sorry. 738 00:37:43,783 --> 00:37:46,145 I'm sorry. 739 00:37:46,712 --> 00:37:48,546 Prosecuting 101, Counselor. 740 00:37:48,546 --> 00:37:51,846 Don't rely on potential defendants to make your case to the grand jury. 741 00:37:51,846 --> 00:37:53,613 Jody wasn't a defendant, she was a witness, 742 00:37:53,613 --> 00:37:55,913 and without her testimony we couldn't put Megan at the crime scene. 743 00:37:55,913 --> 00:37:58,530 Oh, it never occurred to you she might confess to protect her sister? 744 00:37:58,530 --> 00:38:00,009 We questioned her a number of times. 745 00:38:00,009 --> 00:38:01,413 Her story never changed. 746 00:38:01,413 --> 00:38:04,600 Until you gave her immunity, in exchange for her testimony. 747 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,845 Her immunity doesn't extend to cover perjury. 748 00:38:06,845 --> 00:38:09,163 Perjury? What if she's telling the truth? 749 00:38:09,163 --> 00:38:11,826 You just freed a 15-year-old killer. 750 00:38:11,826 --> 00:38:14,481 We had every reason to believe that Megan Ramsey killed her father. 751 00:38:14,481 --> 00:38:16,015 I'm still not convinced she didn't. 752 00:38:16,015 --> 00:38:18,339 You're gonna have a hard time convincing a jury 753 00:38:18,339 --> 00:38:21,782 if your star witness says she's the one who pulled the trigger. 754 00:38:21,782 --> 00:38:23,490 I'm on my honeymoon here, Ms. Cabot, 755 00:38:23,490 --> 00:38:27,239 so I can still blame my predecessor for all the screw-ups in this division. 756 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,261 Unfortunately, I told the D.A. 757 00:38:30,261 --> 00:38:32,314 I supported your strategy. 758 00:38:32,314 --> 00:38:34,947 So do us both a favor, huh? 759 00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:37,296 Fix this mess. 760 00:38:43,901 --> 00:38:47,650 I'm sure your lawyer already told you you have immunity. 761 00:38:49,227 --> 00:38:52,032 That means I cannot prosecute you for anything you say to me now, 762 00:38:52,032 --> 00:38:53,849 unless you lie to me. 763 00:38:53,849 --> 00:38:56,641 Then all bets are off, you understand? 764 00:38:57,005 --> 00:38:58,700 Okay. 765 00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:00,892 Now... 766 00:39:01,742 --> 00:39:05,871 Just tell me the truth. What happened? 767 00:39:06,498 --> 00:39:10,464 Megan was too afraid to go in alone. 768 00:39:11,108 --> 00:39:15,793 By the time we got to his office door, she was shaking. 769 00:39:17,249 --> 00:39:20,213 When he got up from his desk, she started screaming. 770 00:39:20,213 --> 00:39:21,745 He grabbed her and he shook her 771 00:39:21,745 --> 00:39:24,375 and he told her to be quiet. 772 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,431 She dropped her purse 773 00:39:29,393 --> 00:39:32,152 and I saw the gun. 774 00:39:32,579 --> 00:39:35,293 I picked it up 775 00:39:35,293 --> 00:39:39,360 and I told him to let her go, but he wouldn't listen. 776 00:39:40,055 --> 00:39:43,198 He just kept yelling and yelling, 777 00:39:43,198 --> 00:39:45,957 and I hollered, "Stop!" 778 00:39:47,314 --> 00:39:50,842 He just stared at me. 779 00:39:51,136 --> 00:39:55,013 Then he reached for the gun. 780 00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:59,552 It just went off. 781 00:40:00,655 --> 00:40:04,240 He looked so surprised. 782 00:40:08,096 --> 00:40:10,606 It was an accident. 783 00:40:10,606 --> 00:40:13,677 I loved my daddy. 784 00:40:16,778 --> 00:40:20,643 I just wanted him to stop hurting Megan. 785 00:40:27,449 --> 00:40:30,672 How do I make sense of this? 786 00:40:31,345 --> 00:40:34,251 My husband is dead, 787 00:40:34,251 --> 00:40:37,719 killed by my own child's hand 788 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,248 and my willingness to believe he was a monster. 789 00:40:43,699 --> 00:40:47,656 How awful it must have been for my husband 790 00:40:47,656 --> 00:40:53,054 to know that the people he loved most had turned on him. 791 00:40:55,872 --> 00:40:59,645 We all share that burden, Mrs. Ramsey. 792 00:41:00,439 --> 00:41:03,482 Jody will not be prosecuted. 793 00:41:03,482 --> 00:41:08,348 Not by the courts, only by her own conscience. 794 00:41:08,348 --> 00:41:12,119 But what about that woman who treated my daughter with lies? 795 00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:15,451 How many more families will she destroy? 796 00:41:15,811 --> 00:41:19,526 Megan went to her seeking help. 797 00:41:23,212 --> 00:41:26,817 The patient has exhibited signs of acute and... 798 00:41:26,817 --> 00:41:28,491 Dr. Wharton. 799 00:41:28,777 --> 00:41:30,866 I'm in the middle of something. 800 00:41:30,866 --> 00:41:32,466 If you'd like to make an appointment... 801 00:41:32,466 --> 00:41:33,967 Not today. 802 00:41:33,967 --> 00:41:34,900 What is this? 803 00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:36,277 A subpoena for the medical records 804 00:41:36,277 --> 00:41:40,215 pertaining to the treatment of Megan, Jody and Lily Ramsey. 805 00:41:40,215 --> 00:41:42,523 Those records are confidential! 806 00:41:42,523 --> 00:41:44,277 We'll take extra special care of them. 807 00:41:44,277 --> 00:41:47,003 You'll also find a warrant for your arrest. 808 00:41:47,003 --> 00:41:48,061 On what charge? 809 00:41:48,061 --> 00:41:50,247 Reckless endangerment in the death of Evan Ramsey. 810 00:41:50,247 --> 00:41:52,581 That's outrageous. Meg... 811 00:41:52,581 --> 00:41:54,888 Megan is a very sick woman. 812 00:41:54,888 --> 00:41:57,503 That you made even sicker with your sodium amytal sessions. 813 00:41:57,503 --> 00:41:59,728 Oh, you're hardly qualified to pass judgment. 814 00:41:59,728 --> 00:42:01,705 Maybe not, but Megan's new therapist is, 815 00:42:01,705 --> 00:42:05,014 and he's willing to testify that your sessions amounted to malpractice. 816 00:42:05,014 --> 00:42:05,989 Based on what? 817 00:42:05,989 --> 00:42:08,256 Megan recanted her accusations. 818 00:42:08,256 --> 00:42:10,478 He said that you manipulated her memory. 819 00:42:10,478 --> 00:42:13,489 Why, the family is in denial. 820 00:42:13,489 --> 00:42:16,270 They're just looking for a scapegoat. 821 00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:17,760 They're looking for justice. 822 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,677 The Ramseys filed suit this morning. 823 00:42:19,677 --> 00:42:23,752 The State Board has suspended your license pending a full investigation. 824 00:42:23,752 --> 00:42:27,415 All around, I'd say this is a day that you'll never forget. 65749

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