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Can I help you?
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I want to report a rape.
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Okay. Let's go
someplace private, huh?
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Can you tell me what happened?
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It's okay, Megan.
I'm just here to help.
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He followed me
to my apartment last night.
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I don't know how
he got in the building,
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but when I opened my door
he pushed his way in.
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And then what happened?
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Megan?
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I told him to leave
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and that I never wanted
to see him again,
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but he slammed the door.
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Oh, God.
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Can you tell me who did this to you?
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Megan, is it your boyfriend?
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He's my father.
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ORIGINAL AIR DATE ON NBC: 2001/09/28
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It started when I was
in the first grade.
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Stroking, touching.
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He'd help me undress for bed,
and sometimes he'd take off his shirt
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and then his pants.
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When I was 12,
he put himself...
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Take your time.
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He told me not to cry.
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He'd show me these horrible pictures.
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He said that that was how
daddies loved their little girls.
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And this has been
going on ever since?
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No, he stopped
after I got my period.
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- How long ago was that?
- When I was 14.
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Did anything sexual happen last night?
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No, but we had a horrible fight.
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If he didn't have to catch a plane,
who knows what he would have done?
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I'm not going to lie to you, Megan.
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It's going to be very difficult to prove
a four-year-old rape.
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And we can't charge him
for the earlier abuse
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because the statute of limitation
only extends back five years.
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What about Lily?
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Who's Lily?
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My little sister.
She's seven.
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That's the same age I was
when he started molesting me.
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Well, did you see him
do anything to her?
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Yesterday afternoon I went to
my parents' to do my laundry,
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and I walked in on them.
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And what did you see?
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He was touching her
just like he used to touch me.
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Hey, Captain, we got some background
on Megan's father.
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I'm on my way to the Mayor's luncheon,
so let's make this quick.
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Okay. Evan Ramsey runs
Southerland Pharmaceuticals,
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and he just donated a wing
to the East Harlem Children's Hospital.
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Well, if his daughter's telling the truth,
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they're not gonna be hanging
his picture on their wall.
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Rebecca Southerland is the wife.
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She's also the daughter of
the company's founding father.
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So he married into the social register.
Any other kids?
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Yeah, two. Jody, 15,
and Lily, seven.
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Lily is the one that Megan says
he's molesting.
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So, basically,
we're working two cases here.
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A rape just this side
of the statute of limitations,
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and the possible molestation
of a seven-year-old.
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Munch and Fin are checking
with Children's Services
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to see if the family's
got any priors.
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Well, where is the mother in all this?
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She and Megan aren't
on speaking terms.
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We're off to see the mother right now.
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Good. Get back to me when you
have something to talk about.
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I've been married to Evan for 19 years,
had three children with him.
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I'd certainly know
if he was raping one of them.
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You've always had a blind spot
where he's concerned.
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Dad, please.
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Megan's lashing out.
She's a very angry young woman.
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Where do you think
all this anger came from?
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From that therapist
she's been seeing.
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- What therapist?
- Dr. Wharton.
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Megan started seeing her
when she went to Columbia.
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Since then, my daughter's
become an expert
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on what she calls
"our family dysfunction."
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I've tried talking to her,
but she just shuts me out.
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We've seen these
kind of cases before,
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and it's very difficult for daughters
to share this with their mothers.
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It isn't the first time she's made up
little stories to get attention.
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Has she ever
made up anything like this?
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Nothing this outlandish,
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but she has stretched the bounds of
reality to get what she wanted.
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God knows what she's been
telling that therapist.
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We're going to need to
speak with Jody and Lily.
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I don't see why that's necessary.
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It's routine. Whenever allegations
like these are made,
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we'd like to talk to everyone
in the family.
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Now she's putting her sisters
into the middle of her little drama.
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When can we talk to them?
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- They're in school.
- Where?
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I'll not have you embarrass them
in front of their friends.
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Then bring them down
to our precinct after school.
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The sooner we can talk to them,
the sooner we can close this up.
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They'll be there.
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Whole Life Recovery Center
92 West 78th Street
Tuesday, February 13
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Megan came to me suffering
from bulimia and depression.
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What was she depressed about?
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Eating disorders often signal
a deeper emotional trauma.
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In Megan's case,
it was childhood incest.
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- When did Megan tell you this?
- Only recently.
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She built a wall between
herself and her father,
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but after months of hard work
the floodgates finally opened
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and the truth came out.
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Why didn't you report the abuse?
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Megan's an adult. I couldn't
break confidentiality.
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The only reason I'm talking to you is
because she gave me permission.
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What about her younger sisters?
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I repeatedly asked her if she
thought they were at risk,
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and she always said no,
until yesterday.
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She called and she said that
she'd reported her father for abusing Lily.
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Is Megan emotionally ready
for the strain of a police investigation?
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She's still healing,
but she came to you,
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so that tells me she's
on the road to recovery.
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I had to go to the basement
to dig up this file.
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How long has it been there?
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Seven years,
when Megan Ramsey was 11.
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Who reported it?
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A resident in the emergency
room at Mercy General.
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Her mother brought her in for vaginal
bleeding after a bicycle accident.
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Megan told them she'd been
having trouble urinating,
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and when he noticed bruising
on her backside, he called.
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Your investigation
turn up anything?
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Megan said she got the bruises
riding horses at her grandfather's farm.
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What about the other problem?
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We contacted her pediatrician.
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He told us Megan had
a minor urinary tract infection
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from taking too many bubble baths.
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After a series of follow-up visits,
the case was closed.
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Thank you.
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Our complaining witness appears to
have a history of emotional problems.
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She's an incest victim.
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Doesn't necessarily make her
an unreliable witness.
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This man is a community leader.
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He's known for his good works
and political clout.
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So let's make sure we have
our ammunition
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before going to war with his lawyers.
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- Mind if I join the party?
- Well, it depends on what you brought.
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Evan Ramsey was investigated
for child abuse against Megan
seven years ago,
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but the case worker found no evidence
to support the charge.
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Rebecca didn't mention
anything about that.
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time a wife
chose her husband over her children.
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Since Evan's out of town,
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find out as much as you can
before he gets back.
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They're here.
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Okay, separate rooms.
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See if either one
confirms Megan's story.
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Meanwhile, I'll see if I can
wear down Mom with my charm.
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So, Lily, do you spend
a lot of time together with your daddy?
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Well, sometimes we go to the park
and we ride the horses.
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What else do you do together?
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He reads stories to me
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- and we play games.
- Yeah? What kind of games?
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What is it, honey?
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Why is everybody mad at my daddy?
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Well, what makes you think
that we're mad?
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Megan said he was doing bad things.
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What kind of bad things?
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I don't know.
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Lily, does your dad ever
do things that you don't like?
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Well, sometimes he yells
and says bad words.
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What else does he do
that you don't like?
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Nothing.
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My daddy loves me.
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I don't understand.
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Well, did your dad ever
touch you in a way that,
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you know, made you feel uncomfortable?
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No. He's a great dad.
He'd never do anything like that.
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How about with your sisters?
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No. Sometimes he and Megan
would argue,
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but he was just trying
to keep her out of trouble.
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Yeah? What kind of trouble?
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He said her boyfriend was bad news.
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She thought he was
trying to control her life.
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How's his relationship with Lily?
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He never yells at her.
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He spend a lot of time with her?
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I guess.
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So what do they do
when they hang out?
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They go to the park
and he reads to her.
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- Just the usual stuff.
- Usual stuff?
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Anything else?
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Go on.
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- It probably doesn't mean anything.
- So tell me anyway.
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Sometimes he goes
to her room at night,
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and I hear crying.
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And?
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He still gives her baths
with the door locked.
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And a few nights ago,
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I woke up in the middle of the night
to get a drink of water,
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and I saw him changing Lily's sheets.
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She was crying in the corner
with her bottoms off.
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Dad was acting weird.
He said she wet the bed.
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But...
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But what?
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She hasn't wet the bed
since she was two.
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I don't believe this.
It can't be true.
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Mrs. Ramsey, I know this isn't easy,
but we're grasping at straws.
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I've heard enough.
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If you give us permission
to search Lily's room,
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we just might come up
with some answers.
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I can't take this anymore.
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Mrs. Ramsey, there's someone
here to see you.
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Megan.
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Detective Benson told me
you'd be here.
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It's not true. It can't be.
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He raped me, Mother.
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I was 12 years old.
Where were you?
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Why didn't you help me?
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I didn't know.
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I swear to God I didn't know.
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We're going to need physical
examinations on Jody and Lily,
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and permission to search your house.
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Do whatever you need to do.
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I want my children safe.
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He'll be home any minute.
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We'll handle the introductions.
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Olivia!
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What do you got?
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Kiddie porn right under Lily's mattress.
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There you go.
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Got something else, Detectives.
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Men's underwear.
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Rebecca?
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- Everything okay?
- Bag it all. / You got it.
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What the hell is going on here?
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Evan Ramsey, New York City detectives.
We'd like you to come with us.
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I'm not going anywhere
till somebody tells me...
242
00:14:19,772 --> 00:14:21,897
- We just want to ask you a few questions.
- Look, you have no right to...
243
00:14:21,897 --> 00:14:23,929
Please, Mr. Ramsey, for the sake
of your daughters,
244
00:14:23,929 --> 00:14:26,597
let's not do this in front of them.
245
00:14:37,428 --> 00:14:39,994
I didn't rape my daughter.
246
00:14:39,994 --> 00:14:43,002
- That's not what Megan says.
- She's angry and confused.
247
00:14:43,002 --> 00:14:44,182
About what?
248
00:14:44,182 --> 00:14:46,229
I threatened to pull the plug
on her college tuition
249
00:14:46,229 --> 00:14:49,248
if she didn't drop that boyfriend
and start buckling down.
250
00:14:49,248 --> 00:14:51,190
So she's crying rape
to get back at you?
251
00:14:51,190 --> 00:14:53,355
I have no idea why she's doing this.
252
00:14:53,355 --> 00:14:54,620
I have tried to get through to her,
253
00:14:54,620 --> 00:14:56,902
and she just keeps pulling
further away from me.
254
00:14:56,902 --> 00:15:00,916
I mean, I... I try to hug her,
she recoils like I'm contagious.
255
00:15:00,916 --> 00:15:05,389
She said she saw you fondling
Lily in her own bed.
256
00:15:07,370 --> 00:15:09,272
I was helping her put on her pajamas.
257
00:15:09,272 --> 00:15:11,245
What about the visits to her room
in the middle of the night?
258
00:15:11,245 --> 00:15:14,081
- She has nightmares, for God's sake.
- Nightmares, huh?
259
00:15:14,081 --> 00:15:16,111
I wonder if these caused them.
260
00:15:16,111 --> 00:15:17,824
What?
261
00:15:19,284 --> 00:15:20,363
These are disgusting.
262
00:15:20,363 --> 00:15:23,561
Well, we found them in Lily's room,
along with a pair of your underwear.
263
00:15:23,561 --> 00:15:24,755
This is ridiculous.
264
00:15:24,755 --> 00:15:26,816
The pictures were printed
on a digital printer
265
00:15:26,816 --> 00:15:28,497
just like the one
next to your computer.
266
00:15:28,497 --> 00:15:29,940
I only use that computer for business.
267
00:15:29,940 --> 00:15:31,289
Yeah? That's some business.
268
00:15:31,289 --> 00:15:34,625
Look, I know this has gotta
come as a big shock to you,
269
00:15:34,625 --> 00:15:36,871
but on some level also a relief.
270
00:15:36,871 --> 00:15:39,627
Now you get the chance
to clear the decks, get some help.
271
00:15:39,627 --> 00:15:42,311
Megan has already
broken her silence.
272
00:15:42,311 --> 00:15:45,196
It's only a matter of time
before your other daughters join her.
273
00:15:45,196 --> 00:15:46,699
I haven't done anything wrong.
274
00:15:46,699 --> 00:15:49,458
Do you have any idea what they do
to child molesters in prison?
275
00:15:49,458 --> 00:15:51,311
I'm sure that they'll grow
very attached to you
276
00:15:51,311 --> 00:15:54,231
once they find out why you're there.
277
00:15:55,121 --> 00:15:57,845
- I want my lawyer.
- Fine.
278
00:15:57,845 --> 00:15:59,935
Do we have anything
to corroborate the rape?
279
00:15:59,935 --> 00:16:01,469
Only Megan's testimony.
280
00:16:01,469 --> 00:16:03,823
Any physical evidence is long gone.
281
00:16:03,823 --> 00:16:05,046
And Lily?
282
00:16:05,046 --> 00:16:08,535
Medical exam showed vaginal irritation,
but nothing conclusive.
283
00:16:08,535 --> 00:16:10,817
Jody's was negative.
284
00:16:10,817 --> 00:16:13,115
That leaves us with the photos
and the underwear.
285
00:16:13,115 --> 00:16:16,916
But Lily still hasn't provided testimony
linking them to her alleged abuse.
286
00:16:16,916 --> 00:16:18,529
Megan passed the poly.
287
00:16:18,529 --> 00:16:19,953
You know that's inadmissible.
288
00:16:19,953 --> 00:16:21,461
It confirms her story.
289
00:16:21,461 --> 00:16:25,412
We let him go, he goes
right back home to his daughters.
290
00:16:26,495 --> 00:16:29,855
All right.
Arrest him for the rape.
291
00:16:32,498 --> 00:16:35,328
- Where's my lawyer?
- He knows where to find you.
292
00:16:35,328 --> 00:16:36,649
- I want to know why.
- Rebecca.
293
00:16:36,649 --> 00:16:38,128
- Rebecca, come with me.
- No, let me do this!
294
00:16:38,128 --> 00:16:39,982
- Wasn't I enough?
- How could you even think that?
295
00:16:39,982 --> 00:16:41,674
- I trusted you!
- My God, look at me!
296
00:16:41,674 --> 00:16:43,731
Do you think that
I could ever hurt them?
297
00:16:43,731 --> 00:16:46,787
- You disgust me!
- Rebecca! Please...
298
00:16:46,787 --> 00:16:48,456
Don't do this!
299
00:16:48,456 --> 00:16:49,716
Stop!
300
00:16:55,993 --> 00:16:58,379
Arraignment Part 44
Thursday, February 15
301
00:16:58,379 --> 00:17:00,594
Mr. Ramsey, how do you plead?
302
00:17:00,594 --> 00:17:01,713
Not guilty.
303
00:17:01,713 --> 00:17:05,468
Your Honor, the defendant's financial
resources alone make him a serious flight risk.
304
00:17:05,468 --> 00:17:08,747
Your Honor, Mr. Ramsey's contributions
to the community are well known.
305
00:17:08,747 --> 00:17:11,296
He's not going anywhere
and he's a danger to no one.
306
00:17:11,296 --> 00:17:14,156
Except perhaps to his daughters.
307
00:17:14,156 --> 00:17:18,574
I'm setting bail at $500,000,
or $5 million surety.
308
00:17:18,574 --> 00:17:20,692
Your Honor, given the nature
of the offenses charged,
309
00:17:20,692 --> 00:17:22,556
the People request an order of protection
310
00:17:22,556 --> 00:17:24,752
barring the defendant from entering
the family residence
311
00:17:24,752 --> 00:17:28,283
or from coming within
100 yards of his children.
312
00:17:28,283 --> 00:17:30,090
So ordered.
313
00:17:32,227 --> 00:17:34,527
So I hear that your daddy reads to you.
314
00:17:34,527 --> 00:17:35,926
Yeah.
315
00:17:35,926 --> 00:17:38,026
What's your favorite story?
316
00:17:38,026 --> 00:17:41,265
I took her to see
Megan's therapist.
317
00:17:41,265 --> 00:17:45,223
Afterwards, she rattled off the symptoms
like a shopping list.
318
00:17:45,223 --> 00:17:48,635
The crying, the sleepless nights.
319
00:17:49,076 --> 00:17:56,432
She says Lily's blocking it all out
because it's too much for her to bear.
320
00:17:56,432 --> 00:17:59,369
It's so clear now.
321
00:17:59,898 --> 00:18:02,274
Why didn't I see it?
322
00:18:02,274 --> 00:18:06,342
Because he went through a lot of trouble
to make sure that you didn't.
323
00:18:07,424 --> 00:18:08,680
Can I talk to her?
324
00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,069
Please.
325
00:18:11,771 --> 00:18:13,109
Well?
326
00:18:13,109 --> 00:18:14,922
She hasn't disclosed anything.
327
00:18:14,922 --> 00:18:16,114
She's scared.
328
00:18:16,114 --> 00:18:17,334
Wouldn't you be?
329
00:18:17,334 --> 00:18:19,478
She knows her father's in trouble
and she's the cause.
330
00:18:19,478 --> 00:18:21,309
If we don't get her testimony
by day after tomorrow,
331
00:18:21,309 --> 00:18:23,829
I can't indict her case with Megan's.
332
00:18:23,829 --> 00:18:25,481
Megan's case can't stand on its own.
333
00:18:25,481 --> 00:18:28,309
I'll do the best I can,
but it's a slow dance,
334
00:18:28,309 --> 00:18:30,413
and I have to follow her lead.
335
00:18:30,952 --> 00:18:33,576
Police Crime Lab
1 Centre Street
Thursday, February 15
336
00:18:33,576 --> 00:18:36,758
DNA analysis matched hair and
fluids in the underwear to Evan Ramsey,
337
00:18:36,758 --> 00:18:40,761
but we found nothing in the bed sheets
or Lily's nightclothes.
338
00:18:40,761 --> 00:18:42,293
What about the pictures?
339
00:18:42,293 --> 00:18:44,769
Even with ninhydrin,
we couldn't raise any prints.
340
00:18:44,769 --> 00:18:46,865
In other words, we got a big fat zero.
341
00:18:46,865 --> 00:18:49,025
Not quite.
Take a look at the photo.
342
00:18:49,025 --> 00:18:52,617
The border was found
in a trash container in Lily's bathroom.
343
00:18:52,968 --> 00:18:55,873
See how it matches the cut pattern
on the bottom?
344
00:18:55,873 --> 00:18:58,569
Look at the date.
February 13.
345
00:18:58,569 --> 00:19:00,687
Yeah, it's the date
they were downloaded.
346
00:19:00,687 --> 00:19:02,139
Tuesday.
347
00:19:02,139 --> 00:19:03,627
You thinking what I'm thinking?
348
00:19:03,627 --> 00:19:06,791
Evan was in Baltimore on Tuesday.
349
00:19:07,144 --> 00:19:10,938
I'm computer illiterate.
I can't even turn the damn thing on.
350
00:19:10,938 --> 00:19:12,390
What about your children?
351
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:14,484
You can't be serious.
352
00:19:14,484 --> 00:19:17,325
Did it ever occur to you that the date
might have been set wrong?
353
00:19:17,325 --> 00:19:18,495
We'll check that out.
354
00:19:18,495 --> 00:19:21,145
But in the meantime, we need
to cover all of our bases.
355
00:19:21,145 --> 00:19:22,335
My kids were at school,
356
00:19:22,335 --> 00:19:25,072
and I was at my lawyer's
office filing for divorce.
357
00:19:25,072 --> 00:19:26,296
And where was Megan?
358
00:19:26,296 --> 00:19:27,625
Megan doesn't live here.
359
00:19:27,625 --> 00:19:30,474
- But she has a key.
- Yeah.
360
00:19:30,474 --> 00:19:32,587
And where were you
Tuesday morning?
361
00:19:32,587 --> 00:19:34,480
I was at the grocery store.
362
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,566
So no one can say for sure
whether Megan came home or not.
363
00:19:38,566 --> 00:19:41,579
All I know is Megan has a chemistry class
every Tuesday morning.
364
00:19:41,579 --> 00:19:43,137
Did she go?
365
00:19:43,137 --> 00:19:45,111
You'd have to ask her.
366
00:19:45,335 --> 00:19:47,049
I dropped chemistry.
367
00:19:47,049 --> 00:19:49,429
I haven't been able to
concentrate very well this semester.
368
00:19:49,429 --> 00:19:51,234
So what have you been doing
with your Tuesday mornings?
369
00:19:51,234 --> 00:19:53,737
I've been working with a tutor, trying to
catch up on my other classes.
370
00:19:53,737 --> 00:19:55,715
- This tutor got a name?
- Michael Tobin.
371
00:19:55,715 --> 00:19:58,733
- Were you with him last Tuesday?
- No.
372
00:19:58,733 --> 00:20:00,757
Thought you just said
you had a tutor.
373
00:20:00,757 --> 00:20:02,756
He was my boyfriend.
We broke up last week.
374
00:20:02,756 --> 00:20:04,191
So where were you then?
375
00:20:04,191 --> 00:20:06,347
- In the library studying.
- Anyone with you?
376
00:20:06,347 --> 00:20:08,295
Yeah, lots of people.
It's mid-terms.
377
00:20:08,295 --> 00:20:12,625
Look, I'm going to be late for a class.
Can we talk about this later?
378
00:20:15,204 --> 00:20:16,667
You gotta be kidding me.
379
00:20:16,667 --> 00:20:18,326
Hard drives don't lie.
380
00:20:18,326 --> 00:20:20,929
This one shows nothing but spreadsheets,
business correspondence,
381
00:20:20,929 --> 00:20:23,094
and a couple of hits
on a stock-trading website.
382
00:20:23,094 --> 00:20:25,655
- What about his laptop?
- Clean as a whistle.
383
00:20:25,655 --> 00:20:27,814
So his account was accessed
by another computer.
384
00:20:27,814 --> 00:20:30,042
Someone who knows
his password.
385
00:20:30,042 --> 00:20:32,050
Can you give us the location
of the download?
386
00:20:32,050 --> 00:20:35,378
You'd have to talk to the ISP for that.
387
00:20:36,023 --> 00:20:38,342
If Evan didn't download
those pictures, then who did?
388
00:20:38,342 --> 00:20:39,625
And why?
389
00:20:39,625 --> 00:20:42,537
The only one who can tell us
what happened in that bedroom is Lily.
390
00:20:42,537 --> 00:20:44,924
She's not talking.
At least not to us.
391
00:20:44,924 --> 00:20:46,937
But she did talk
to Megan's therapist.
392
00:20:46,937 --> 00:20:49,861
Does Dr. Wharton accept walk-ins?
393
00:20:50,313 --> 00:20:52,273
I'm not surprised she's resisting.
394
00:20:52,273 --> 00:20:54,204
We really need her testimony.
395
00:20:54,204 --> 00:20:55,624
Megan's isn't enough?
396
00:20:55,624 --> 00:20:58,588
Without Lily to corroborate,
it's just Evan's word against Megan's.
397
00:20:58,588 --> 00:21:01,776
Excuse me. / Our psychiatrist thinks
that Lily's protecting her father.
398
00:21:01,776 --> 00:21:04,680
She may feel more comfortable
talking to you.
399
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,686
I've only seen her once,
but we did develop a rapport.
400
00:21:07,686 --> 00:21:09,255
I'll clear my schedule.
401
00:21:09,255 --> 00:21:11,112
Well, we appreciate that.
402
00:21:11,815 --> 00:21:13,508
Sure. Okay.
403
00:21:13,508 --> 00:21:15,085
All right, bye.
404
00:21:15,714 --> 00:21:17,978
Munch checked with Evan's
internet service provider.
405
00:21:17,978 --> 00:21:23,615
The kiddie porn was downloaded to
a terminal at the student library at Columbia.
406
00:21:25,612 --> 00:21:28,791
Those pictures were downloaded
while your father was out of town.
407
00:21:28,791 --> 00:21:31,009
You put the pictures
under the mattress.
408
00:21:31,009 --> 00:21:33,636
No. / You planted your father's
underwear in the sheets.
409
00:21:33,636 --> 00:21:36,784
- No.
- Why did you do it, Megan?
410
00:21:39,196 --> 00:21:40,605
He was going to
get away with it again.
411
00:21:40,605 --> 00:21:42,672
Well, tell us the truth.
Maybe we can help.
412
00:21:42,672 --> 00:21:44,968
No one can help.
413
00:21:44,968 --> 00:21:47,173
He's too powerful.
414
00:21:48,879 --> 00:21:50,531
When he came to my apartment,
415
00:21:50,531 --> 00:21:55,263
he threatened to sue my therapist
and send me to a mental hospital.
416
00:21:55,538 --> 00:21:57,016
Who would believe me then?
417
00:21:57,016 --> 00:22:03,436
Some crazy girl telling wild stories
about her sex fiend father?
418
00:22:03,436 --> 00:22:07,980
I had to stop him. I couldn't
let it happen again.
419
00:22:11,383 --> 00:22:14,322
Motion Hearing Part 65
Tuesday, February 20
420
00:22:14,322 --> 00:22:16,040
In light of these developments,
421
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,464
we submit the People have no case,
422
00:22:18,464 --> 00:22:22,475
and therefore move that the charges
against my client be dismissed.
423
00:22:22,475 --> 00:22:24,637
Your Honor, the evidence
in question has no bearing
424
00:22:24,637 --> 00:22:26,594
on the rape case
pending before this court.
425
00:22:26,594 --> 00:22:30,477
But it does bring into serious question
the veracity of the complaining witness.
426
00:22:30,477 --> 00:22:33,287
With no physical evidence
to support her allegations,
427
00:22:33,287 --> 00:22:36,108
the People have failed to meet
their obligations under the law.
428
00:22:36,108 --> 00:22:38,877
Have the People
anything new to present?
429
00:22:38,877 --> 00:22:40,715
No, Your Honor.
430
00:22:40,715 --> 00:22:43,106
Then I have to agree
with Mr. Wilmington.
431
00:22:43,106 --> 00:22:44,923
Case dismissed.
432
00:22:44,923 --> 00:22:48,536
Mr. Ramsey, you're free to go
with the court's apology.
433
00:22:53,674 --> 00:22:58,123
Megan, honey, I know
you didn't mean to do this.
434
00:23:01,307 --> 00:23:04,432
I want you moved out
by the end of the week.
435
00:23:13,849 --> 00:23:15,293
What a mess.
436
00:23:15,293 --> 00:23:17,038
If Megan hadn't screwed up
the investigation,
437
00:23:17,038 --> 00:23:18,792
we might have nailed him.
438
00:23:19,345 --> 00:23:20,704
Stabler.
439
00:23:20,704 --> 00:23:22,671
She's trying to protect her sister.
440
00:23:22,671 --> 00:23:25,017
Yeah, well, the road to hell's
paved with good intentions.
441
00:23:25,017 --> 00:23:26,507
It doesn't mean she wasn't raped.
442
00:23:26,507 --> 00:23:28,077
Now we'll never prove it.
443
00:23:28,077 --> 00:23:29,288
And if she's telling the truth,
444
00:23:29,288 --> 00:23:31,442
that means that he got away
with it all over again.
445
00:23:31,442 --> 00:23:33,987
Not quite.
That was the Captain.
446
00:23:33,987 --> 00:23:36,450
Evan Ramsey was murdered.
447
00:23:42,309 --> 00:23:46,049
Dropped him on the spot.
Single gunshot to the chest.
448
00:23:46,049 --> 00:23:48,733
Powder burns
indicate close range.
449
00:23:48,733 --> 00:23:50,245
When?
450
00:23:50,245 --> 00:23:52,097
No rigor.
Blood's still pooling.
451
00:23:53,904 --> 00:23:56,289
This is Richard Weiss,
one of the company executives.
452
00:23:56,289 --> 00:23:58,351
He discovered the body.
453
00:23:59,099 --> 00:24:00,926
Let's take a walk, Mr. Weiss.
454
00:24:00,926 --> 00:24:03,426
We were both working late.
455
00:24:03,426 --> 00:24:05,874
About 9:00 I cut out
to grab some dinner.
456
00:24:05,874 --> 00:24:09,511
I came back to pick up some
papers and saw the light on.
457
00:24:09,511 --> 00:24:11,861
Went in to say good night,
and there he was,
458
00:24:11,861 --> 00:24:14,107
just lying there,
blood everywhere.
459
00:24:14,107 --> 00:24:16,597
- About what time was that?
- 10:30, 11:00.
460
00:24:16,597 --> 00:24:20,094
- You see anyone else?
- Not a soul.
461
00:24:21,219 --> 00:24:24,510
You have any idea
who might have done this?
462
00:24:24,510 --> 00:24:26,889
Evan's style put off a lot of people,
463
00:24:26,889 --> 00:24:30,864
but no one would do
something like this.
464
00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:32,792
Unless...
465
00:24:33,023 --> 00:24:34,316
Unless what?
466
00:24:34,316 --> 00:24:36,693
Things were pretty tense
between him and his father-in-law.
467
00:24:36,693 --> 00:24:38,036
- Charles Southerland?
- Yeah.
468
00:24:38,036 --> 00:24:40,705
Ever since Evan took the company public,
the old man's been on a tear,
469
00:24:40,705 --> 00:24:43,991
claiming Evan stole the business
he built from the ground up.
470
00:24:43,991 --> 00:24:47,359
The molestation charges
just seemed to add fuel to the fire.
471
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,261
Get him hot enough to do this?
472
00:24:49,261 --> 00:24:50,103
I don't know.
473
00:24:50,103 --> 00:24:52,836
But this afternoon,
he stormed into Evan's office
474
00:24:52,836 --> 00:24:55,911
- and went into a tirade.
- About what?
475
00:24:55,911 --> 00:24:58,003
He called Evan a rapist.
476
00:24:58,003 --> 00:24:59,328
Told him he wasn't going to
get away with it,
477
00:24:59,328 --> 00:25:00,697
no matter what the courts said.
478
00:25:00,697 --> 00:25:01,910
How'd Evan react?
479
00:25:01,910 --> 00:25:03,610
He tried to reason with him.
480
00:25:03,610 --> 00:25:05,489
The old man wouldn't listen.
481
00:25:05,489 --> 00:25:09,697
They'd have come to blows if security
hadn't escorted the old guy out.
482
00:25:11,317 --> 00:25:14,739
Ornithoptera priamus poseidon.
483
00:25:14,739 --> 00:25:18,140
Cairns Birdwing.
It's quite a rare prize.
484
00:25:18,140 --> 00:25:21,375
You don't seem too upset
about your son-in-law's untimely death.
485
00:25:21,375 --> 00:25:25,061
If you're asking me if I'm glad
he's dead, the answer is yes.
486
00:25:25,061 --> 00:25:28,033
If you're asking me if I killed him,
the answer is no.
487
00:25:28,033 --> 00:25:30,706
Although, I'd like to buy
the fellow who did it a drink.
488
00:25:30,706 --> 00:25:32,252
Well, it must have stuck in your craw
489
00:25:32,252 --> 00:25:34,273
when the charges against
your son-in-law were dropped.
490
00:25:34,273 --> 00:25:37,756
Yes. But things have a way
of working out, don't they?
491
00:25:37,756 --> 00:25:39,901
After dinner, where did you
and your daughter go?
492
00:25:39,901 --> 00:25:41,871
I took her home,
493
00:25:41,871 --> 00:25:44,132
came back here,
494
00:25:44,132 --> 00:25:47,026
poured myself a Scotch,
and went to bed.
495
00:25:47,026 --> 00:25:49,419
Evan was killed by a .32 slug.
496
00:25:49,419 --> 00:25:52,674
You own a.32 caliber
Derringer, don't you?
497
00:25:52,674 --> 00:25:54,390
Yes.
498
00:25:54,603 --> 00:25:58,276
An LM5 Simmerling
with a scrimshaw handle.
499
00:25:58,276 --> 00:26:01,410
- Legally registered.
- We'd like to see it.
500
00:26:02,196 --> 00:26:03,825
Right this way.
501
00:26:04,965 --> 00:26:07,772
I also have an authentic
Revolutionary musket,
502
00:26:07,772 --> 00:26:12,280
a pearl-handled Colt .45
and a World War I Luger.
503
00:26:12,577 --> 00:26:15,663
Keep them all in top firing condition, too.
504
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:20,745
There a problem, Mr. Southerland?
505
00:26:20,745 --> 00:26:22,316
It's gone.
506
00:26:22,316 --> 00:26:23,736
Gone?
507
00:26:23,736 --> 00:26:25,900
My gun.
It's supposed to be in here.
508
00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:28,197
You'd better come with us.
509
00:26:30,528 --> 00:26:32,762
Evan stole your company.
510
00:26:32,762 --> 00:26:34,188
He molested your grandchildren.
511
00:26:34,188 --> 00:26:36,507
We can certainly understand
why you'd want justice.
512
00:26:36,507 --> 00:26:38,491
You've got it all figured out,
don't you?
513
00:26:38,491 --> 00:26:41,150
Company executives heard you arguing
just a few hours before.
514
00:26:41,150 --> 00:26:43,553
And now your.32 caliber
Derringer's missing.
515
00:26:43,553 --> 00:26:45,651
You care to explain that?
516
00:26:49,773 --> 00:26:51,948
Think of your family.
517
00:26:52,654 --> 00:26:56,852
After all they've been through, isn't
it time just to put an end to all of this?
518
00:26:56,852 --> 00:27:01,790
Don't presume to tell me
about my family, Detective.
519
00:27:02,667 --> 00:27:03,881
How does he look?
520
00:27:03,881 --> 00:27:06,529
Opportunity, motive,
access to a weapon,
521
00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:08,409
but I don't know.
522
00:27:08,409 --> 00:27:11,017
What? / The guy seemed genuinely
surprised that his gun was missing.
523
00:27:11,017 --> 00:27:12,796
I mean, you'd think that if he's
going to murder somebody,
524
00:27:12,796 --> 00:27:16,151
he'd at least concoct a plausible
explanation for its disappearance.
525
00:27:16,151 --> 00:27:17,856
Yeah, and sometimes they just freeze
526
00:27:17,856 --> 00:27:20,228
when they get caught
with their hand in the cookie jar.
527
00:27:20,228 --> 00:27:23,675
A CSU conducted another canvass.
528
00:27:23,675 --> 00:27:28,305
Located a .32 caliber
Simmerling Derringer in a sewer drain
529
00:27:28,305 --> 00:27:30,975
in the parking structure
of Southerland's office building.
530
00:27:30,975 --> 00:27:33,435
They're running a check now.
531
00:27:39,008 --> 00:27:40,615
Serial number matches.
532
00:27:40,615 --> 00:27:42,832
This is definitely Southerland's.
533
00:27:43,879 --> 00:27:47,833
Now, the bullet removed
from Ramsey's body was on the left.
534
00:27:48,997 --> 00:27:52,383
The bullet from the water tank
will be on your right.
535
00:27:53,202 --> 00:27:55,185
See the lands and grooves?
536
00:27:55,185 --> 00:27:57,787
Here and here.
537
00:27:58,515 --> 00:28:01,155
Identical twins. / You've found
your murder weapon.
538
00:28:01,155 --> 00:28:02,244
Any prints?
539
00:28:02,244 --> 00:28:04,364
The water in the gutter
degraded the surface of the gun,
540
00:28:04,364 --> 00:28:05,948
making it impossible to lift any.
541
00:28:05,948 --> 00:28:09,359
However, we got a couple of clean ones
from the shell casings.
542
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,311
But unfortunately, Miguel,
they don't match Southerland's prints.
543
00:28:13,311 --> 00:28:16,480
You got your weapon,
not your killer.
544
00:28:17,727 --> 00:28:19,187
Where were you last night?
545
00:28:19,187 --> 00:28:22,539
I had dinner with my father,
then came right home.
546
00:28:22,539 --> 00:28:25,469
- What time did you get in?
- Around 9:00.
547
00:28:25,469 --> 00:28:27,534
And who else was here?
548
00:28:27,534 --> 00:28:30,538
My daughters
and my housekeeper.
549
00:28:30,538 --> 00:28:32,905
- We all went to bed.
- Mom.
550
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:35,625
What are they doing here?
551
00:28:35,625 --> 00:28:39,136
We were just talking to her
about last night.
552
00:28:40,688 --> 00:28:44,164
I'm very sorry for your loss,
but we have to ask you a few questions.
553
00:28:44,164 --> 00:28:45,138
Like what?
554
00:28:45,138 --> 00:28:47,751
Where were you between
the hours of 7:00 and 11:00?
555
00:28:47,751 --> 00:28:50,797
I picked Jody up from her dance class
and I brought her back here.
556
00:28:50,797 --> 00:28:54,552
- Can anyone corroborate that?
- I can.
557
00:28:54,552 --> 00:28:55,690
She stayed the night.
558
00:28:55,690 --> 00:28:59,422
After what happened in court,
I wanted all my children here with me.
559
00:28:59,422 --> 00:29:01,823
You had no other contact
with your father?
560
00:29:01,823 --> 00:29:03,660
I cut my father out of my life.
561
00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:07,887
Megan, honey, could you check
on your sisters for me?
562
00:29:10,066 --> 00:29:11,972
Is there a point to these questions?
563
00:29:11,972 --> 00:29:14,950
Your daughter planted evidence
to incriminate him.
564
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:17,069
And he raped her until she was 14.
565
00:29:17,069 --> 00:29:18,938
Maybe that evens things out.
566
00:29:18,938 --> 00:29:21,512
- What about you?
- What about me?
567
00:29:21,512 --> 00:29:23,301
He molested your daughters.
568
00:29:23,301 --> 00:29:26,200
His death gives you
a permanent order of protection.
569
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,398
He should burn in hell for
what he did to my daughters,
570
00:29:29,398 --> 00:29:31,579
but I didn't kill him.
571
00:29:31,579 --> 00:29:34,981
Now, if you'll excuse me,
my children need me.
572
00:29:34,981 --> 00:29:37,178
Marina will see you out.
573
00:29:39,339 --> 00:29:41,595
The only people who had access
to Charles' gun collection
574
00:29:41,595 --> 00:29:42,944
were his immediate family.
575
00:29:42,944 --> 00:29:45,929
Rebecca claims all the kids
were tucked into bed by 9:00.
576
00:29:45,929 --> 00:29:49,188
How convenient. A family of suspects
giving each other an airtight alibi.
577
00:29:49,188 --> 00:29:50,682
- Except Megan's.
- What you got?
578
00:29:50,682 --> 00:29:51,658
Phone records.
579
00:29:51,658 --> 00:29:53,978
Someone was placing phone calls
to her father's office
580
00:29:53,978 --> 00:29:56,265
from her car phone
between 9:30 and 10:00.
581
00:29:56,265 --> 00:29:58,052
She was supposed to be fast asleep.
582
00:29:58,052 --> 00:30:01,412
Sounds like Megan's airtight alibi
just sprung a leak.
583
00:30:04,638 --> 00:30:06,591
You've been the Ramsey's
housekeeper for how long?
584
00:30:06,591 --> 00:30:07,550
Ten years.
585
00:30:07,550 --> 00:30:10,412
What time did the lady of the house
get in last Tuesday night?
586
00:30:10,412 --> 00:30:12,863
- About 9:00.
- You sure?
587
00:30:12,863 --> 00:30:14,644
Tuesdays is The New Detectives
on cable.
588
00:30:14,644 --> 00:30:16,803
I was watching when
Mrs. Ramsey came home.
589
00:30:16,803 --> 00:30:18,675
She took a sleeping pill
and went to bed.
590
00:30:18,675 --> 00:30:21,105
What about the girls?
What time did they come home?
591
00:30:21,105 --> 00:30:22,385
Same time.
592
00:30:22,385 --> 00:30:25,350
But later they went out.
593
00:30:25,606 --> 00:30:27,344
What time did they get back?
594
00:30:27,344 --> 00:30:30,705
Charlie Rose was on by then,
so it must have been after 11:00.
595
00:30:30,705 --> 00:30:32,528
They say anything?
596
00:30:32,528 --> 00:30:33,833
No.
597
00:30:33,833 --> 00:30:37,368
They just went up to Jody's room
and closed the door.
598
00:30:38,492 --> 00:30:41,059
And?
599
00:30:41,482 --> 00:30:44,774
And I heard lots of crying.
600
00:30:46,111 --> 00:30:47,730
Mrs. Ramsey...
601
00:30:48,634 --> 00:30:50,706
We're meeting our priest.
Can't this wait?
602
00:30:50,706 --> 00:30:52,620
Sorry, but it can't.
603
00:30:52,620 --> 00:30:55,251
I've already told you
everything I know.
604
00:30:55,251 --> 00:30:58,244
Actually, we're here
to speak with Jody. / Me?
605
00:30:58,244 --> 00:31:00,736
Your housekeeper said you left the house
after your mother went to bed.
606
00:31:00,736 --> 00:31:02,447
Well, she's mistaken.
607
00:31:02,447 --> 00:31:05,574
The girls went to bed when I did.
Tell them, Jody.
608
00:31:05,574 --> 00:31:07,100
You've already lied to your mother.
609
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:10,608
Don't make it any harder
on yourself by lying now.
610
00:31:15,464 --> 00:31:17,793
Daddy had been calling Megan.
611
00:31:17,793 --> 00:31:19,502
She wanted him to admit
what he'd done,
612
00:31:19,502 --> 00:31:21,589
but he said he wouldn't do it
over the phone.
613
00:31:21,589 --> 00:31:23,602
So you drove to his office.
614
00:31:23,602 --> 00:31:25,090
What happened
when you got there?
615
00:31:25,090 --> 00:31:26,656
Megan went inside.
616
00:31:26,656 --> 00:31:27,711
What about you?
617
00:31:27,711 --> 00:31:29,540
She told me to wait in the car.
618
00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:31,009
And then what?
619
00:31:31,009 --> 00:31:33,769
A few minutes later,
she came back out and we left.
620
00:31:33,769 --> 00:31:36,079
She say anything
about what happened?
621
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,802
No, she didn't want to
talk about it.
622
00:31:38,802 --> 00:31:40,785
We just got in the car
and drove home.
623
00:31:40,785 --> 00:31:43,226
Mom was asleep,
so we went to bed.
624
00:31:43,226 --> 00:31:45,616
Why didn't you tell me?
625
00:31:45,616 --> 00:31:48,210
We knew you were mad at us
for seeing him,
626
00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:50,661
so we lied.
627
00:31:54,362 --> 00:31:55,913
Okay, let's go over that one more time.
628
00:31:55,913 --> 00:31:57,257
I told you, I don't remember.
629
00:31:57,257 --> 00:32:00,321
Megan, you're not doing
yourself any favors here.
630
00:32:00,321 --> 00:32:03,111
We have your phone records.
We know that you went to see him.
631
00:32:03,111 --> 00:32:05,530
- Just tell us what happened.
- I would tell you if I could.
632
00:32:05,530 --> 00:32:07,579
Well, why can't you?
633
00:32:07,962 --> 00:32:10,001
Sometimes I black out.
634
00:32:10,001 --> 00:32:11,930
Oh, come on, Megan. You're gonna
have to do better than that.
635
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,172
You took your grandfather's pistol
and you shot your father.
636
00:32:14,172 --> 00:32:15,773
- No, I couldn't have.
- Did he threaten you?
637
00:32:15,773 --> 00:32:17,897
I don't remember.
638
00:32:17,897 --> 00:32:20,931
I didn't remember I was raped
until a few months ago.
639
00:32:20,931 --> 00:32:22,616
Ask my therapist.
640
00:32:22,616 --> 00:32:25,942
She said I couldn't get away from him,
so I pushed out the memory.
641
00:32:25,942 --> 00:32:29,928
I wish it had stayed away,
because now I can't forget it.
642
00:32:30,869 --> 00:32:34,528
I am no longer at liberty
to discuss Megan's treatment.
643
00:32:34,528 --> 00:32:36,206
But you talked to us before.
644
00:32:36,206 --> 00:32:39,233
Megan has decided
not to waive privilege.
645
00:32:39,233 --> 00:32:42,143
Well, she's a suspect
in her father's murder.
646
00:32:42,143 --> 00:32:43,597
If you thought she was
going to commit a crime,
647
00:32:43,597 --> 00:32:46,137
you're legally obligated to report it.
648
00:32:46,137 --> 00:32:50,398
I have been a therapist
for 15 years, Detective.
649
00:32:50,398 --> 00:32:53,176
I don't need a lecture in ethics.
650
00:32:53,176 --> 00:32:57,096
Okay, can you answer some general
questions about your treatment techniques?
651
00:32:57,096 --> 00:33:01,172
I'll try. / How exactly do you
recover buried memories?
652
00:33:01,172 --> 00:33:04,776
With intense therapy.
653
00:33:06,217 --> 00:33:09,062
Can you be more specific?
654
00:33:09,605 --> 00:33:16,029
Generally, the process begins
by recovering a flashback.
655
00:33:16,029 --> 00:33:20,129
A snapshot in time.
656
00:33:20,343 --> 00:33:24,749
And slowly, more and more
snapshots appear
657
00:33:24,749 --> 00:33:28,587
until the collage becomes
a complete picture.
658
00:33:28,587 --> 00:33:32,092
Once the patient faces
what happened to her,
659
00:33:32,092 --> 00:33:33,802
she can begin to heal.
660
00:33:33,802 --> 00:33:36,777
How do you know if the patient's
telling the truth?
661
00:33:36,777 --> 00:33:42,070
I engage a physician
to administer sodium amytal.
662
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:44,138
Truth serum.
663
00:33:46,066 --> 00:33:50,300
A tranquilizer that reduces resistance
664
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:54,307
and enables the therapist
to probe for inconsistencies
665
00:33:54,307 --> 00:33:56,346
and verify the memories.
666
00:33:56,346 --> 00:34:02,452
Okay, but what if you overlook
your patient's inconsistencies?
667
00:34:02,452 --> 00:34:06,999
I don't overlook them,
Detective, I explore them.
668
00:34:06,999 --> 00:34:09,430
I don't shy away
from the tough cases,
669
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:12,850
and I have an exemplary
record of success
670
00:34:12,850 --> 00:34:14,676
where others have failed.
671
00:34:14,676 --> 00:34:17,336
Is Megan a success story?
672
00:34:18,997 --> 00:34:21,509
I think this conversation
has gone on long enough.
673
00:34:21,509 --> 00:34:25,802
If you'll excuse me, my next
appointment is waiting.
674
00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:31,239
Well, technically it's called
the false memory syndrome,
675
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,811
but I call it the power of
suggestion run amuck.
676
00:34:34,811 --> 00:34:37,646
She said that sodium amytal
verifies memories.
677
00:34:37,646 --> 00:34:39,581
More like creates them.
678
00:34:39,581 --> 00:34:42,624
That's why it's fallen out of
favor with most reputable therapists,
679
00:34:42,624 --> 00:34:46,200
but some die-hard advocates
still administer it.
680
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,268
How does it work?
681
00:34:47,268 --> 00:34:50,186
It places the patient
in a semi-hypnotic state,
682
00:34:50,186 --> 00:34:52,932
making them extremely
vulnerable to manipulation.
683
00:34:52,932 --> 00:34:55,951
This is especially true
if they're already in a fragile state.
684
00:34:55,951 --> 00:34:56,985
Like Megan.
685
00:34:56,985 --> 00:35:00,256
Right. She fits the profile.
686
00:35:00,543 --> 00:35:04,123
I remember reading this case in which
a young woman had convinced the police
687
00:35:04,123 --> 00:35:06,870
to dig up a park in search
of bodies of young boys
688
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:08,548
that she claimed her father
had buried there
689
00:35:08,548 --> 00:35:10,484
after raping and torturing them.
690
00:35:10,484 --> 00:35:12,895
The fact that no such bodies
were ever found did not deter her
691
00:35:12,895 --> 00:35:14,574
from believing
that they were still there.
692
00:35:14,574 --> 00:35:17,529
And then, later, it was revealed that
the whole thing was planted in her head
693
00:35:17,529 --> 00:35:20,261
during a sodium amytal
interview by her therapist.
694
00:35:20,261 --> 00:35:22,193
So there's a good chance
that Megan was never raped.
695
00:35:22,193 --> 00:35:24,073
More than a chance.
696
00:35:25,576 --> 00:35:27,352
These are Megan's medical records.
697
00:35:27,352 --> 00:35:32,188
We got a subpoena when she canceled
her physical exam for the third time.
698
00:35:32,875 --> 00:35:34,667
An intact hymen.
699
00:35:34,667 --> 00:35:36,660
She's a virgin.
700
00:35:39,131 --> 00:35:41,054
So Megan's memories
of childhood rape...
701
00:35:41,054 --> 00:35:43,511
Are just figments of her
therapist's imagination.
702
00:35:43,511 --> 00:35:46,824
And Evan Ramsey was accused
on spectral evidence.
703
00:35:46,824 --> 00:35:49,157
And we all had a hand in it.
704
00:35:49,157 --> 00:35:51,405
However, the forensics
aren't spectral.
705
00:35:51,405 --> 00:35:53,933
The lab matched the prints
on the shell casings to Megan's.
706
00:35:53,933 --> 00:35:55,284
What about her state of mind?
707
00:35:55,284 --> 00:35:57,144
Megan believes that she was raped,
708
00:35:57,144 --> 00:35:58,678
but none of this would have happened
709
00:35:58,678 --> 00:36:01,473
if that therapist hadn't filled her mind
with a lot of garbage.
710
00:36:01,473 --> 00:36:04,153
The therapist didn't
pull the trigger. Megan did.
711
00:36:04,153 --> 00:36:07,007
Look, she planted those photographs
and she lied about it.
712
00:36:07,007 --> 00:36:09,369
That shows a clear
and logical state of mind.
713
00:36:09,369 --> 00:36:10,969
Her fingerprints
are on the shell casings,
714
00:36:10,969 --> 00:36:13,262
and her own sister places her
at the scene of the crime.
715
00:36:13,262 --> 00:36:15,060
Jody's not going to want to testify.
716
00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:16,210
Well, I'm issuing a subpoena.
717
00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:18,842
She'll testify
or she'll be in contempt.
718
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:22,236
Grand Jury Room 12
Friday, February 23
719
00:36:22,236 --> 00:36:25,361
Dad called Megan after
the charges were dropped.
720
00:36:25,361 --> 00:36:29,750
He said he wanted to see her,
to be a family again.
721
00:36:30,264 --> 00:36:34,238
She wanted to put an end to it,
but she was scared.
722
00:36:34,238 --> 00:36:37,046
Is that why she asked
you to come along?
723
00:36:37,046 --> 00:36:38,956
Yes.
724
00:36:39,763 --> 00:36:42,127
Where did you go?
725
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,861
Jody?
726
00:36:50,662 --> 00:36:53,578
We drove to my dad's office building.
727
00:36:53,578 --> 00:36:56,695
What happened
when you got there?
728
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,579
Megan got out of the car
and went inside.
729
00:37:00,579 --> 00:37:02,964
Where were you?
730
00:37:06,175 --> 00:37:11,211
I know this is really hard for you,
but I need you to answer the question.
731
00:37:17,195 --> 00:37:19,936
She didn't do it.
732
00:37:20,546 --> 00:37:21,819
Jody...
733
00:37:21,819 --> 00:37:23,595
It was me.
734
00:37:23,595 --> 00:37:26,433
I didn't mean for it to happen.
735
00:37:26,433 --> 00:37:29,275
The gun just went off.
736
00:37:32,018 --> 00:37:35,107
I didn't mean to kill him.
737
00:37:37,547 --> 00:37:39,770
I'm sorry.
738
00:37:43,783 --> 00:37:46,145
I'm sorry.
739
00:37:46,712 --> 00:37:48,546
Prosecuting 101, Counselor.
740
00:37:48,546 --> 00:37:51,846
Don't rely on potential defendants
to make your case to the grand jury.
741
00:37:51,846 --> 00:37:53,613
Jody wasn't a defendant,
she was a witness,
742
00:37:53,613 --> 00:37:55,913
and without her testimony
we couldn't put Megan at the crime scene.
743
00:37:55,913 --> 00:37:58,530
Oh, it never occurred to you
she might confess to protect her sister?
744
00:37:58,530 --> 00:38:00,009
We questioned her
a number of times.
745
00:38:00,009 --> 00:38:01,413
Her story never changed.
746
00:38:01,413 --> 00:38:04,600
Until you gave her immunity,
in exchange for her testimony.
747
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,845
Her immunity doesn't extend
to cover perjury.
748
00:38:06,845 --> 00:38:09,163
Perjury? What if she's telling the truth?
749
00:38:09,163 --> 00:38:11,826
You just freed a 15-year-old killer.
750
00:38:11,826 --> 00:38:14,481
We had every reason to believe
that Megan Ramsey killed her father.
751
00:38:14,481 --> 00:38:16,015
I'm still not convinced she didn't.
752
00:38:16,015 --> 00:38:18,339
You're gonna have a hard time
convincing a jury
753
00:38:18,339 --> 00:38:21,782
if your star witness says she's the one
who pulled the trigger.
754
00:38:21,782 --> 00:38:23,490
I'm on my honeymoon here, Ms. Cabot,
755
00:38:23,490 --> 00:38:27,239
so I can still blame my predecessor
for all the screw-ups in this division.
756
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,261
Unfortunately, I told the D.A.
757
00:38:30,261 --> 00:38:32,314
I supported your strategy.
758
00:38:32,314 --> 00:38:34,947
So do us both a favor, huh?
759
00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:37,296
Fix this mess.
760
00:38:43,901 --> 00:38:47,650
I'm sure your lawyer already
told you you have immunity.
761
00:38:49,227 --> 00:38:52,032
That means I cannot prosecute you
for anything you say to me now,
762
00:38:52,032 --> 00:38:53,849
unless you lie to me.
763
00:38:53,849 --> 00:38:56,641
Then all bets are off,
you understand?
764
00:38:57,005 --> 00:38:58,700
Okay.
765
00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:00,892
Now...
766
00:39:01,742 --> 00:39:05,871
Just tell me the truth.
What happened?
767
00:39:06,498 --> 00:39:10,464
Megan was too afraid
to go in alone.
768
00:39:11,108 --> 00:39:15,793
By the time we got to his office door,
she was shaking.
769
00:39:17,249 --> 00:39:20,213
When he got up from his desk,
she started screaming.
770
00:39:20,213 --> 00:39:21,745
He grabbed her
and he shook her
771
00:39:21,745 --> 00:39:24,375
and he told her to be quiet.
772
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,431
She dropped her purse
773
00:39:29,393 --> 00:39:32,152
and I saw the gun.
774
00:39:32,579 --> 00:39:35,293
I picked it up
775
00:39:35,293 --> 00:39:39,360
and I told him to let her go,
but he wouldn't listen.
776
00:39:40,055 --> 00:39:43,198
He just kept yelling and yelling,
777
00:39:43,198 --> 00:39:45,957
and I hollered, "Stop!"
778
00:39:47,314 --> 00:39:50,842
He just stared at me.
779
00:39:51,136 --> 00:39:55,013
Then he reached for the gun.
780
00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:59,552
It just went off.
781
00:40:00,655 --> 00:40:04,240
He looked so surprised.
782
00:40:08,096 --> 00:40:10,606
It was an accident.
783
00:40:10,606 --> 00:40:13,677
I loved my daddy.
784
00:40:16,778 --> 00:40:20,643
I just wanted him
to stop hurting Megan.
785
00:40:27,449 --> 00:40:30,672
How do I make sense of this?
786
00:40:31,345 --> 00:40:34,251
My husband is dead,
787
00:40:34,251 --> 00:40:37,719
killed by my own child's hand
788
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,248
and my willingness to believe
he was a monster.
789
00:40:43,699 --> 00:40:47,656
How awful it must have been
for my husband
790
00:40:47,656 --> 00:40:53,054
to know that the people
he loved most had turned on him.
791
00:40:55,872 --> 00:40:59,645
We all share that burden,
Mrs. Ramsey.
792
00:41:00,439 --> 00:41:03,482
Jody will not be prosecuted.
793
00:41:03,482 --> 00:41:08,348
Not by the courts,
only by her own conscience.
794
00:41:08,348 --> 00:41:12,119
But what about that woman
who treated my daughter with lies?
795
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:15,451
How many more families
will she destroy?
796
00:41:15,811 --> 00:41:19,526
Megan went to her seeking help.
797
00:41:23,212 --> 00:41:26,817
The patient has exhibited signs
of acute and...
798
00:41:26,817 --> 00:41:28,491
Dr. Wharton.
799
00:41:28,777 --> 00:41:30,866
I'm in the middle of something.
800
00:41:30,866 --> 00:41:32,466
If you'd like to make an appointment...
801
00:41:32,466 --> 00:41:33,967
Not today.
802
00:41:33,967 --> 00:41:34,900
What is this?
803
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:36,277
A subpoena for the medical records
804
00:41:36,277 --> 00:41:40,215
pertaining to the treatment of
Megan, Jody and Lily Ramsey.
805
00:41:40,215 --> 00:41:42,523
Those records are confidential!
806
00:41:42,523 --> 00:41:44,277
We'll take extra special care of them.
807
00:41:44,277 --> 00:41:47,003
You'll also find a warrant
for your arrest.
808
00:41:47,003 --> 00:41:48,061
On what charge?
809
00:41:48,061 --> 00:41:50,247
Reckless endangerment
in the death of Evan Ramsey.
810
00:41:50,247 --> 00:41:52,581
That's outrageous. Meg...
811
00:41:52,581 --> 00:41:54,888
Megan is a very sick woman.
812
00:41:54,888 --> 00:41:57,503
That you made even sicker
with your sodium amytal sessions.
813
00:41:57,503 --> 00:41:59,728
Oh, you're hardly qualified
to pass judgment.
814
00:41:59,728 --> 00:42:01,705
Maybe not, but Megan's
new therapist is,
815
00:42:01,705 --> 00:42:05,014
and he's willing to testify that
your sessions amounted to malpractice.
816
00:42:05,014 --> 00:42:05,989
Based on what?
817
00:42:05,989 --> 00:42:08,256
Megan recanted her accusations.
818
00:42:08,256 --> 00:42:10,478
He said that you
manipulated her memory.
819
00:42:10,478 --> 00:42:13,489
Why, the family is in denial.
820
00:42:13,489 --> 00:42:16,270
They're just looking for a scapegoat.
821
00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:17,760
They're looking for justice.
822
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,677
The Ramseys filed suit this morning.
823
00:42:19,677 --> 00:42:23,752
The State Board has suspended
your license pending a full investigation.
824
00:42:23,752 --> 00:42:27,415
All around, I'd say this is a day
that you'll never forget.
65749
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