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So back when you started, there were some doubts, right?
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Were there?
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I hadn’t heard.
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So that’s news to you? I know.
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What would you like to say to those people who think, well,
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I like what this guy’s doing, but...
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I’ve elected people to represent me who should be doing this job?
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Everything, All the criticism that I’ve heard of what I’m doing, it
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basically boils down to, well, what about the system?
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Trust the system.
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The system wasn’t representing people. But I am.
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Daniel didn’t really have much to say about himself at first,
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so it was really on the journalists in Brazil to find out who he was
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and how he came to be that way.
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There wasn’t anything about him
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growing up that would make you think this guy’s different.
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It was comics, video games and football.
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He never talked to anybody about it, any of his friends.
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But at some point he just started,
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you know, avoiding physical activities at school.
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He said he was bored with them.
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Definitely not one of the cool kids in school.
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But he do these things when we hung out
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and I thought it was hilarious because he didn’t even care.
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He’s almost the archetype,
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the lost soul, the outsider who suddenly discovers, Hey,
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I can have control over my own life in a very big, very powerful way.
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Superhero comics and movies have given him the tools to say.
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I’m a superhero.
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Do they like you? I don’t know.
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Word also started to get out
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pretty quickly about the crime numbers the city was posting.
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and we had posted double digit declines
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that began to attract a lot of attention.
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He’s a global celebrity.
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And, you know, against like all of the good.
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he’s doing, the complaints?
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They’re less than a footnote.
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If you want to understand why he became so popular so quickly,
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all you have to do is look at his background.
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And they find out
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we’ve been living right under our noses in Nova Sao Paulo his whole life.
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But as you’d expect, it’s the story about his birth that’s unusual.
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His biological parents are from the state of Pernambuco,
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and we find out they both passed away
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from something that looks like radiation poisoning.
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The father right before his birth, mother just after
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and when no family
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surfaces to take the baby, he’s placed into the foster care system.
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A family adopts him, and from what we can tell, he grows up
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normally under the circumstances.
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So we were in college by then, and one day he just stopped going to class.
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So when I texted him, he told me that he’d been thinking
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a lot about the way his mom was killed.
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I thought that was weird because he never really talked about her.
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He told me that he needed some time off and he wanted to,
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you know, figure out who he really was.
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He’s discovering this strength, this speed, the fact that nothing seems to hurt it.
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We don’t know when he first noticed there was something different about him,
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but we do know he threw himself into figuring out what to do with it.
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it almost perfectly fits the contours of the classic superhero origin story.
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Now, if you’re somebody who doesn’t have these things, that’s a perfect fantasy.
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And that’s why superhero stories connect with so many of us.
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And now along comes someone who gets to live that story.
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So what is he thinking about?
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He’s growing up reading comic books like the rest of us.
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And what those have done is given him a sort of decoder key for reality.
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Oh, now I understand why I’m like this.
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Now I understand why I’m feeling this way.
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Now I understand what I should do.
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And what is it that superheroes do?
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They fight villains.
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It was only like four years ago.
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I had been an anchor on CNE for three years.
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You start thinking you’ve seen everything, even the bus hijacking.
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So that wasn’t a surprise.
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But what happened next? That was.
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A bus hijacking in Nova Sao Paulo, Brazil.
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Coming to a surprising conclusion...
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...a man appears to have leapt through the bus window
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at an inconceivable speed, stopping the hijacker before disappearing.
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And then the gunman just goes like flying off the bus.
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And this... I guess I would call him a kid.
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This kid steps off, like totally calm,
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like he just got to his stop.
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An astonishing story out of Nova Sao Paulo, Brazil.
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It was like a scene out of a superhero movie.
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The attention of the entire world has turned to the Brazilian city
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and to the vigilante hero from last...
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The vigilante named Daniel Dias has left scientists
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in disbelief with a slew of abilities that seem more at home.
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In a comic... He can leap hundreds of meters.
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He runs faster than the speed of sound, and he’s strong enough
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to bend solid metal.
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What we don’t know about him, how he exists.
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So the day after the bus.
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After he introduced himself to the camera, he walks in as if,
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you know, nothing happened, like...
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and, oh my God, before he even gets to the door.
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I mean, for a shy kid, this
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moment is the moment that you dream of.
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He was the hero.
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Everybody at school knew his name and not just at school.
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Now is the biggest story in the world is a comic book come to life.
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He’s a celebrity.
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Everybody wanted to be the childhood friend.
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Everyone had this one story about the one time
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they had talked and how from just that they knew how special he was.
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Definitely news to him how many friends he had.
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We know because we’ve read the same comics and seen the same movies that he has.
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That celebrity is something he must have anticipated since it began.
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But there are different ways of interacting with the public.
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There’s the Bruce Wayne model
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where I’m a celebrity in everyday life, but nobody knows I’m Batman.
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Then there’s the Peter Parker model where I’m the totally anonymous,
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mild mannered high school student.
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Oh, there’s the Tony Stark model
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where it’s like, Hey, I am Iron Man.
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I think if you look at the world today at digital technology,
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you think I’m going to spend half my energy protecting my secret identity,
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then order 50 sets of matching long underwear
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and somebody is just going to find out who I am anyway.
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I’ll pass on the whole Bruce Wayne thing.
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As a public figure, at least
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you go into a restaurant and you get drinks on the house.
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You know, you get the perks.
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There’s this big question
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What’s someone with Daniel’s ability supposed to do in the real world?
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If you want to make money,
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the first thing I think is probably I should play a professional sport.
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But as soon as there’s even a whisper of that, the International Olympic
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Committee, the players associations in every sport, even in America,
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they make it known that he’s not welcome to compete.
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So the next idea is from these American producers
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who try to sell him on the concept of a big live show,
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kind of a spectacle where he can show off his powers around the world.
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That just is like a circus act. He passes.
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Some people were even trying to attach themselves to him from all Churches,
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the ones talking about like prophecy chosen one stuff that creeps him out.
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So if you never had a
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friend turn into an object of worship, I’ll tell you right away.
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I had no idea what to tell him.
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I mean, he’s trying really hard to be the same person
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he was, but his life looks nothing like it did before.
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You have people calling him a Savior, God.
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What do you tell your friend?
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I was like...
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Take the free stuff.
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You know, what would you say?
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But I think his dad was really the one reminding him, you have a gift.
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You can do things.
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Look what’s happening in the country.
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You can tell he’s kind of searching for meaning.
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And he’s thinking, What’s my way to go big?
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But in all these places, his response is.
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I don’t want to be part of that.
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So you have a superhero.
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The first thing I think is he’s got to fight crime, right?
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I think someone looked at him and figure.
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Sooner or later, this kid’s going to be busts and bad guys.
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He might as well learn what’s game’s about.
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So they let him participate in some police operations.
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You’d seen his face. He loved it.
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Everybody loved it.
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What is a superhero?
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A superhero is someone who sacrifices for us.
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Someone who can do the job alone. So we don’t have to.
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Now, you can have superhero teams, but what you don’t have is superheroes
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on teams. So every time he gets involved with an organization,
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there are these disagreements.
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He wants to do things his way.
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He feels like they’re holding him back. And he’s right.
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They are. I mean, he’s a
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he’s an unstoppable force.
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But that works both ways.
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We had started talking a lot when he was out there trying out stuff.
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You know, every day would be a text.
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A meme, a video call.
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I like that he hadn’t changed.
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If anyone had a right to change, it was him.
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But he was still the same person I knew growing up.
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You know, because he genuinely believed
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that he could do the right thing and that he would do the right thing.
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He just didn’t feel this trust coming from the people making the decisions.
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That speech was when I first set up and realized this guy wasn’t
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just some celebrity out there with a couple of models in his arms.
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He was somebody you got to pay attention to.
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That was it.
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One minute he was a celebrity.
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The next he was like.
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Well, no one really knew what it meant.
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I had no idea what he was going to do.
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You know, even as a kid, he was always the person
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who would take his own decisions without telling anybody.
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So this was pretty much like him.
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He also announces that he has a new name now, Warden.
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which means guardian.
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The superhero name.
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There’s always been something about violence.
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Even defensive, necessary violence
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that was recognized as so foreign to civilized life.
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The life of the town, the life of the family
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that our fighters have always had to assume a different persona.
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Whether it’s war paint or samurai masks
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or the codenames that our soldiers use when they talk to each other on the radio.
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When you’re in that world where life and death are on the line,
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you need to become someone else.
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And sometimes that someone is a truer you.
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Warden.
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Obviously, it’s an English word.
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It’s not a Portuguese word.
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Daniel had gotten to know some people,
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entertainment industry people, and they told him, you know,
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you might be working on a local level, but
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like it or not, you’re an international figure.
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You need people all over the world to hear one word
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and think of you.
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And he saw that, too.
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So Warden hits the scene.
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He’s shaking hands. He’s on patrol.
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And he quickly discovers something.
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He discovers that supervillains the "raison d’etre" to be a superhero.
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Well, we don’t really get a lot of those in a real world,
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what we do get in the real world, in the real criminal world,
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are a lot of ordinary people with an underdeveloped sense of empathy
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who are trying to find ways to to cheat, to take advantage,
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and sometimes use violence against those they perceive as targets.
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Not an evil genius masterplan,
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frankly, for that stuff.
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There’s not a whole lot that superhero can do that a normal can do.
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You know, you you learn the neighborhood, you meet the people you earn their trust.
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You develop good sources and you use data.
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That’s how you solve crimes.
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And the more crimes you solve, the more crimes you stop.
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I think his idea was more, I dare you try something on my watch.
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You always have the association of the superhero and the city with his city.
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Batman has Gotham. Superman has Metropolis.
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Green Lantern has Central City.
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Now, the comic book writers didn’t have to do that.
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It cost them just as much to draw Superman in Metropolis
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as it did to draw them on the moon.
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But there’s always been this sense that a superhero
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isn’t some distant figure watching us from Mount Olympus.
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They’re part of our community.
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And Warden understood that.
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I worried about him in the beginning.
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You know, he was coming from a place
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where if he was in your life, it was as a celebrity.
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Like this professional lifesaver that the least controversial person imaginable.
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But how do you keep this up when your job
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is to make judgments about who’s a good guy and who’s a bad guy?
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If you’re not naturally the kind of person who craves attention
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and suddenly millions of people you’ve never met have opinions about you
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being under that microscope gets to you.
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I remember he told me about the first time
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he stopped a robbery, I think it was
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at a gas station, and the guy had stolen like 60 bucks.
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So he tackled the robber and the guy starts screaming, howling,
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like making noises that you’ve never heard in your life.
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And at some point, he looks at the guy and
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he sees that the guy is not well
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and he’s not armed or anything.
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And he was like, Is this who I’m fighting?
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So I think this was really tough for him.
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The problem was this was all legally very tenuous.
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He wasn’t the type of guy who wanted to read you your rights.
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He hadn’t been trained in the police department’s use of force standards.
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He was a superhero not some recruits with a rulebook.
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In my office, we got signals from certain judges that to them
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what one was doing was surveillance on private citizens without a warrant.
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It was an untenable situation.
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Warden had agreed to let some TV producers put a camera crew on him.
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That was how Brazilian Hero started.
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These were the people who thought up his new international name.
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So of course, they didn’t keep it in Brazil.
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Right away they packaged it as Our Hero and licensed it all around the world.
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It’s a massive hit.
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People call me a Warden.
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Ever since I was young,
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I’ve known I was a little different.
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I don’t think he loved having cameras around all the time,
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but he figured at least he could control the message.
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It also brought in a huge stream of revenue for Warden.
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It just cements him as this internationally beloved figure.
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So he’s coming in to millions of people’s homes every week,
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doing these heroic, basically magical things in front of the camera.
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Davi Lopes is the state representative that falls on that grenade
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and tries to act on some of the concerns coming from the police.
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The "OAB" the Order of Attorneys of Brazil and some members of the community
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Consequences. So this is really the first time
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that anyone’s had to wrestle with this question.
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Can you apply the law to a demi god?
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Can you arrest him? How?
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What kind of laws do we need?
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If you can’t just let him do whatever he wants.
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Can you?
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The investigation.
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I think it really just changed the way he thought about things.
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You know, he saw what he did as a community service
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that, you know, everyone’s super hero.
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And then these politicians come along and treated him as a punching bag.
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He saw it as a game to them.
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So that was the first time I actually saw him get frustrated.
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Well, it turned out investigating him was very unpopular.
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Warden wasn’t the guy handing speeding tickets.
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People were seeing him stopping awful, violent people every single day.
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And more importantly, they were seeing it on TV.
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You threatened to take that away from people.
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And, you know, you playing with fire.
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We forget the salience of the feeling of physical safety in politics.
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You know, in Brazil, people saw this reality.
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Tens of thousands of murders and rapes every year.
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And no matter who you are, your survival instincts kick in
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and you think my security first.
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Other people we’ll talk about later.
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And they said to the politicians, I don’t want to hear anything
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you have to say until you fix this.
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How can you keep me safe
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in my home, in my city?
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It was a top voting issue in the country.
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And so everybody acted.
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And if you’re Brazilian and you feel like the system is
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sacrificing your safety for some abstract concept like due process,
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you get that lizard brain reaction,
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you’re making me unsafe
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and you get fed up.
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As it turns out, public opinion didn’t matter one way or the other.
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So this scandal breaks and it’s just the perfect
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stew of ingredients that get people actually interested in local news.
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He doesn’t stand a chance.
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Everybody, millions of people knew that he wasn’t happy with this investigation
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and that anything that would make Lopes’ life harder would be good for him.
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So it just took, you know, someone out there who decided they knew
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how to help.
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With Davi Lopes out of the way and his supporters silent.
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The coast was really clear for Warden to do things his way.
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The first time I thought
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maybe that feeling you’ve got to watch your back,
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that if you’re not on his side, something bad was going to happen.
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That’s what he wants.
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Maybe Warden is someone you’ve got to watch out for.
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What is the superhero way?
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To fight crime.
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And part of it’s about optics, right?
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The spectacle. Every arrest showcases
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that you’re faster, stronger, tougher than the bad guys.
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You maybe humiliate them.
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Part of the superheroes job is to be a moral force.
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You’re embodying in one person the values of an entire community,
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and you’re delivering the smackdown that community wishes
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it could give to anyone or anything that threatens it.
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You’re saying our side, the side of order and righteous violence
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beats your side, the side of disorder and unrighteous violence.
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But what the superhero way really means is no rules.
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You have the heroes sense of morality and you trust it.
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But Warden isn’t, you know, filing an arrest report.
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And he’s certainly not going
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to show up in court to testify at the trial.
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I think people celebrated Warden because they made that connection.
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They realized he is us.
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This is what we would do if we had the power.
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The question is, where does that fit into the legal system?
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So you can see how things might be on a collision course.
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I don’t know how to explain it.
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It felt like he was himself again.
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You know, everybody had this idea of who he should be
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or what he should do or wanted something from him.
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And suddenly he felt like he could define himself.
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And he came alive.
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It was an amazing combination
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of the person I grew up with and the man I was getting to know.
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It had to be a secret, though.
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Obviously, he wanted to protect me.
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You sense this new confidence watching him.
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You know, the sex offender gets a hot shot to his crotch,
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the dope fiend gets hauled in with drugs all around him.
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He was showing his sense of humor.
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Let the punishment fit the crime.
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So as you’d expect, everybody on the force gave him a wide lane.
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On the one hand that it was his popularity,
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you knew you’d be shouted down even before you opened your mouth.
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But there was also this intimidation factor.
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Every time he flexed his muscles and ran someone down, he was reminding you,
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I’m stronger than you. I’m faster than you.
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Essentially, I’m unstoppable.
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And he didn’t have to open his mouth.
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Warden never felt like the best
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use of his time was chasing drug pushers or any random street criminals.
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Here in Brazil, we say that’s like trying to dry ice.
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Even when he tries going
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after organized crime, he’s hitting the corner dealers, the triggerman,
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those street level guys go down, you’ve got another five
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replacing them in the next day.
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The fundamental problem stays.
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It’s clear Warden is starting to think if this is the best use of his abilities.
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But this time there are people around Warden who have very strong ideas
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about what problems need to be solved and they have his attention.
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Warden had these
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relationships with the Nova Sao Paulo business community.
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The idea was since Warden didn’t want to get paid by the government,
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they make donations to support his new Justice Initiative operation.
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There were a few examples where a company would bring him
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in to give a lecture to their employees.
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All of a sudden, Warden was making these huge arrests.
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Was white collar, financial crime, criminal leaders, even politicians.
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All the people that you thought were untouchable. Falling like dominoes.
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They would show up at the courthouse, essentially gift wrapped with evidence
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for the prosecutors to make their cases and cameras to get the public exciting.
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None of the evidence would hold up in court
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because it was collected extrajudicially and violated due process
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that only made Warden more popular.
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The defense lawyers weren’t happy.
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The civil liberties groups cried bloody murder. But
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when the courts had to let these criminal big shots go free on technicalities
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that made Warden the hero
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and the legal system the villain.
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He was saying, You’ve all complained about this for years now.
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Everybody stand back whilst I do something about it.
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It’s an iron law
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in all times, in all places.
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It’s extremely unwise
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to be rich and not befriend the authorities.
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Now, whenever you have one of these anti-corruption campaigns
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led by one person, one savior who’s all about cracking down,
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all about putting that villain
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or handful of villains on stage for the public to hate
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without passing laws
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that change the incentives that create the corruption in the first place.
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What you have is not an anti-corruption campaign.
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What you have is a pro your friends corruption campaign.
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Write it down. Take it to the bank.
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Every time.
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You talk to him by then
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And it was millions of ideas all the time, like green speedways,
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bust these criminals disaster response system.
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He said his eyes were opening to the world.
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It was good to be with someone that cared so much.
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You know, he really thought he really believed that he could change the world.
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And the more his plans grew, the more the organization grew.
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He had the lawyers had the digital forensic team.
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He had the liaison to handle business with the city.
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He had the PR guy, all of them recommendation from his business friends,
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for what it’s worth.
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The smart businesses started to make contributions
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to his justice initiative straight away.
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And there’s a subtext to those payments.
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It’s not settle.
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It’s maybe don’t look so closely at me.
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The buildings collapsed right at sunrise.
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I’d say that was the next phase.
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You know it was just this
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big empty eye sore that the owners wanted to replace
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with this city of tomorrow.
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And the City has just tied them up in court for years.
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citing historical preservation of the site.
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And it turns out that the owners had
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become big donors to Warden’s Justice Initiative.
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So when the buildings come down, it looks like pretty clear
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that there’s one group that has a financial stake in this
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and one person who could have done it for them.
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You know, you have this
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unauthorized demolition, this explosion in a residential area.
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You’re going around the courts, around the whole legal process.
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You have people in the neighborhood
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getting sick from the chemicals this puts into the air.
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Most of us look to the State Attorney General, Romeu Filho.
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Everyone’s waiting to see what he does
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and he does nothing.
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So if you’re keeping score, the people
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who go around the law: Warden and the owners.
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No charges against them.
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The people who call out the people who break the law, they get investigated.
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For me, that was "what the fuck" moment.
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I think anyone who reviewed the suits
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that the city filed to prevent the demolition as I had.
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Found them to be in bad faith and without merit.
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More than that, it’s important to remember that our whole legal system exists
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as a channel for the people’s sense of justice and fairness.
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And when courts have thwarten what people understand to be justice,
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when they’re undermining the public’s confidence that the system works,
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then you have a problem.
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Whatis the justice system for?
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If you can imagine the tribe of early humans coming back from a mammoth hunts.
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Yeah, they discover that somebody has committed a murder.
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The entire society is rattled in its anger and vendettas and distrust,
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and you need domestic order to be restored.
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That’s what the job of the law is, to be our collective retribution.
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When you look at our system today, it’s gotten so complex and so far removed
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from that basic, original purpose that bad actors know they can exploit it.
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The demolition case.
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00:39:38,223 --> 00:39:41,060
They were just a small example, and Warden helped people
492
00:39:41,061 --> 00:39:45,339
see how they were standing in the way of the public interest.
493
00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:47,836
And that paved all the work we did.
494
00:39:47,837 --> 00:39:49,343
And I think that’s a great thing.
495
00:39:49,344 --> 00:39:52,544
And that was essentially the way things were going to go.
496
00:39:52,545 --> 00:39:54,073
Warden would play the wrecking ball,
497
00:39:54,074 --> 00:39:58,946
Romeu Filho would play the legal bodyguard, and their friends would play by
498
00:39:58,947 --> 00:40:00,453
their own rules.
499
00:40:00,454 --> 00:40:02,147
Now, if you’re a reasonable
500
00:40:02,148 --> 00:40:08,319
person or a reasonable business, you would look at that situation and say,
501
00:40:08,594 --> 00:40:11,090
I want to be Warden’s friend.
502
00:40:11,091 --> 00:40:14,258
You started seeing changes right away.
503
00:40:14,259 --> 00:40:17,371
There’s a wave of construction. The streets were cleaner.
504
00:40:17,372 --> 00:40:21,233
You’re talking to people. They are telling you they feel safer.
505
00:40:36,281 --> 00:40:37,985
It’s all a powerful statement.
506
00:40:37,986 --> 00:40:40,922
You know, you have one person standing
507
00:40:40,923 --> 00:40:47,567
against all the old, creaky bureaucracy and red tape and he’s winning.
508
00:40:47,732 --> 00:40:50,834
So people pay attention to that.
509
00:41:03,583 --> 00:41:04,880
Thank you and thanks, guys.
510
00:41:04,881 --> 00:41:09,115
In a very short term, we’ve had some huge changes in Sao Paulo.
511
00:41:09,116 --> 00:41:12,756
We’ve seen some landmark arrests, which I think perhaps the very best
512
00:41:12,757 --> 00:41:17,255
investigators in your country will be just a little bit jealous of you.
513
00:41:17,256 --> 00:41:21,699
Yeah. You know, hopefully most of us don’t have enemies.
514
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:23,503
And I know I didn’t when I was younger.
515
00:41:23,504 --> 00:41:28,101
But now when you start doing things that impact a lot of people,
516
00:41:28,102 --> 00:41:30,708
the enemies you make tell you a lot about who you are.
517
00:41:30,709 --> 00:41:35,977
So back when you started, there were some doubts, right?
518
00:41:35,978 --> 00:41:39,552
Were there? I hadn’t heard. Okay.
519
00:41:39,553 --> 00:41:41,114
So that’s news to you. I know.
520
00:41:41,115 --> 00:41:43,985
At this point you’d hear things unofficially.
521
00:41:43,986 --> 00:41:49,386
Police chief gets advice to drop an investigation, journalist gets a story
522
00:41:49,387 --> 00:41:54,325
killed, a prosecutor gets reassigned, but nothing illegal.
523
00:41:54,326 --> 00:41:58,934
And nobody can come forward because they will know that somewhere
524
00:41:58,935 --> 00:42:02,971
along the chain of things that are there to stop bad things from happening.
525
00:42:02,972 --> 00:42:10,408
There’s going to be someone who’s afraid, corrupt or just plain not on their side.
526
00:42:45,014 --> 00:42:48,687
Everything. All the criticism that I’ve heard of what I’m doing, it
527
00:42:48,688 --> 00:42:52,691
basically boils down to, well, what about the system?
528
00:42:52,692 --> 00:42:54,253
Trust the system.
529
00:42:54,254 --> 00:42:58,632
The system wasn’t representing people. What I am.
530
00:43:06,134 --> 00:43:07,640
Now, at this point,
531
00:43:07,641 --> 00:43:10,104
if I’m Warden, I’m feeling pretty good.
532
00:43:10,105 --> 00:43:12,403
I got these circles of protection around me.
533
00:43:12,404 --> 00:43:17,243
So there’s the real one, which is the politicians and the businessmen
534
00:43:17,244 --> 00:43:18,442
and the courts and the press people
535
00:43:18,443 --> 00:43:20,411
who are all letting Warden make his own rules.
536
00:43:20,412 --> 00:43:25,856
Then there’s the people who’ve decided, I’m for them, I’m their champion,
537
00:43:25,857 --> 00:43:29,354
and if I’m doing something dicey, they don’t even want to hear about it.
538
00:43:29,355 --> 00:43:32,797
The feeling that Warden stoked in us.
539
00:43:32,798 --> 00:43:36,460
It was ancient. It’s been with humans since the beginning.
540
00:43:36,461 --> 00:43:40,497
He was the demigod who held the world on his shoulders.
541
00:43:40,498 --> 00:43:45,073
He was the folk hero who went around the law to deliver justice
542
00:43:45,074 --> 00:43:48,582
and stick his thumb in the eyes of the powerful people.
543
00:43:48,583 --> 00:43:52,751
Someone like that, even when they’re fundamentally different from us.
544
00:43:52,752 --> 00:43:56,217
There’s this feeling that he is us.
545
00:43:56,657 --> 00:43:58,086
His struggles are our
546
00:43:58,087 --> 00:44:01,188
struggles and his enemies are our enemies.
547
00:44:01,189 --> 00:44:05,995
You know, every day it would be the rescues, the show, the handshake,
548
00:44:05,996 --> 00:44:11,770
the strategy session next week, next quarter, next targeted, next project.
549
00:44:11,771 --> 00:44:15,103
It’s hard to compete with that.
550
00:44:15,104 --> 00:44:16,841
You know, people felt connected to him.
551
00:44:16,842 --> 00:44:20,075
So I’m going into this with my eyes wide opened.
552
00:44:20,076 --> 00:44:25,279
And I decided to ask him if we could be officially out dating.
553
00:44:25,851 --> 00:44:31,087
And next day, his team calls me into his office.
554
00:44:31,450 --> 00:44:37,323
And there’s everyone lawyers, consultants, managers.
555
00:44:37,324 --> 00:44:42,835
And they all agreed that being out dating would be the worst thing possible.
556
00:44:43,968 --> 00:44:46,806
For me, obviously
557
00:45:31,345 --> 00:45:35,084
the more the time passed, the bigger he got and the more
558
00:45:35,085 --> 00:45:42,355
the distance between the public figure and the man would disappear.
559
00:45:42,356 --> 00:45:48,768
There’s a sense in which a superhero is just another kind of celebrity,
560
00:45:48,769 --> 00:45:53,597
and what celebrities and powerful people are really good at is creating
561
00:45:53,598 --> 00:45:59,339
these hermetically sealed universes where everyone loves you.
562
00:45:59,340 --> 00:46:01,847
And all the news is good news.
563
00:46:01,848 --> 00:46:05,312
In Warden’s case, you take that celebrity bubble
564
00:46:05,313 --> 00:46:08,249
and you add years of reading about superheroes
565
00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:12,286
and their promises of power and hyper competency.
566
00:46:12,287 --> 00:46:14,926
And you’ve got someone whose life hasn’t
567
00:46:14,927 --> 00:46:18,556
exactly been primed for committed relationships.
568
00:46:18,557 --> 00:46:20,459
So how come there’s only one of you?
569
00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:24,166
I would have thought if we’d looked into your story of origin.
570
00:46:24,167 --> 00:46:28,038
We’d been cranking out at least a dozen more of you superheroes.
571
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:33,209
Yeah, well, how do you know you wouldn’t get a super villain?
572
00:46:47,795 --> 00:46:51,688
The show’s ratings were still strong and getting stronger.
573
00:46:51,689 --> 00:46:54,361
People want to know everything about him.
574
00:46:54,362 --> 00:46:57,562
You have gossip sites paying thousands of dollars
575
00:46:57,563 --> 00:47:02,402
for any whiff of information about who might be involved with Warden
576
00:47:02,403 --> 00:47:08,606
who went to lunch with him, who was seen leaving his apartment last night.
577
00:47:08,607 --> 00:47:09,706
But it was like a mirage.
578
00:47:09,707 --> 00:47:14,822
Any time you go too close to one of these stories, it would disappear.
579
00:47:15,746 --> 00:47:18,825
I never told anyone about us.
580
00:47:18,826 --> 00:47:22,455
He called it "the plan", and I was all in on it.
581
00:47:22,456 --> 00:47:23,654
It was our future.
582
00:47:23,655 --> 00:47:28,934
But most of the time, I just felt like he was gone and he was actually gone.
583
00:47:28,935 --> 00:47:31,101
Like he would disappear for days.
584
00:47:31,102 --> 00:47:35,369
And when he’d show it up again, he’d apologize and apologize.
585
00:47:35,370 --> 00:47:38,669
Say how important everything he was doing was.
586
00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:42,981
Be romantic for a day, then get back to normal and then disappear again.
587
00:47:42,982 --> 00:47:48,316
There’s a very clear difference and everybody figure it out pretty quickly.
588
00:47:48,317 --> 00:47:51,187
Investigating Warden’s personal life is okay.
589
00:47:51,188 --> 00:47:53,585
He kind of dances with you. He likes the mystery
590
00:47:53,586 --> 00:47:57,028
investigating what was going on in Warden’s professional life.
591
00:47:57,029 --> 00:48:01,659
Some of the things the city was doing, that’s when you get the threats.
592
00:48:01,660 --> 00:48:05,631
How do you silence someone in the 21st century?
593
00:48:06,137 --> 00:48:08,908
It doesn’t look like the old way.
594
00:48:08,909 --> 00:48:13,737
As humans, we hunt for patterns, we’re told, all the time.
595
00:48:13,738 --> 00:48:15,915
History repeats itself, right?
596
00:48:15,916 --> 00:48:18,918
So we’re very good at spotting
597
00:48:18,919 --> 00:48:22,922
the last threat to a free society.
598
00:48:22,923 --> 00:48:24,418
Book burnings. Canceled elections.
599
00:48:24,419 --> 00:48:28,488
Thugs marching in the street. No way. You’re not going to slip that by us.
600
00:48:28,489 --> 00:48:32,063
But then we pour all our energy into convincing people
601
00:48:32,064 --> 00:48:36,232
that what we’re seeing now is just like the last thing.
602
00:48:36,233 --> 00:48:42,910
Problem is when people realize, no, it’s not just like the last thing
603
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:45,307
they decide. It’s not worth worrying about.
604
00:48:45,308 --> 00:48:50,708
So what we’re not good at is spotting the next threat.
605
00:48:50,709 --> 00:48:55,284
These days, you don’t need thugs going around knocking on people’s doors.
606
00:48:55,285 --> 00:48:57,022
That’s inefficient. It’s ugly.
607
00:48:57,023 --> 00:48:58,991
You don’t need to say a word. You’re thugs.
608
00:48:58,992 --> 00:49:03,358
They don’t even have to be your thugs.
609
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:05,393
And I’ll ask you one more question.
610
00:49:05,394 --> 00:49:07,934
Do you think about your limitations sometimes?
611
00:49:07,935 --> 00:49:11,630
Like there’s something you just can accomplish no matter how
612
00:49:11,631 --> 00:49:14,468
strong or fast you are?
613
00:49:14,469 --> 00:49:15,865
No.
614
00:49:15,866 --> 00:49:18,274
No? No. Because I’m
615
00:49:18,275 --> 00:49:23,708
the least important part of what’s happening in Nova Sao Paulo.
616
00:49:23,709 --> 00:49:26,315
It’s not about what I’ve done.
617
00:49:26,316 --> 00:49:28,988
Everything I’ve accomplished will vanish overnight.
618
00:49:28,989 --> 00:49:33,421
Without this movement, these thousands of people,
619
00:49:33,422 --> 00:49:38,096
good people who know the difference between right and wrong
620
00:49:38,097 --> 00:49:40,857
and want to fight hard to make this
621
00:49:40,858 --> 00:49:44,234
a better place for all of us to live.
622
00:49:44,235 --> 00:49:48,535
In a way, people embraced Warden for the same reason they embraced
623
00:49:48,536 --> 00:49:52,737
superheroes during other periods of high social anxiety. In the U.S,
624
00:49:52,738 --> 00:49:55,377
you had superheroes going to war for America in the 1940s,
625
00:49:55,378 --> 00:49:59,249
and then they were protecting us from nuclear weapons during the Cold War.
626
00:49:59,250 --> 00:50:00,349
And then we saw them deployed
627
00:50:00,350 --> 00:50:03,154
as guardians looking out for us after September the 11th.
628
00:50:03,155 --> 00:50:07,686
Now, I think during periods of declining trust in institutions
629
00:50:07,687 --> 00:50:12,526
and a sort of societal unwinding like what was happening in Brazil,
630
00:50:12,527 --> 00:50:18,302
Warden looked to a lot of people like the solution.
631
00:50:51,401 --> 00:50:57,241
It’s important to understand how police works in Brazil, there’s two types.
632
00:50:57,242 --> 00:50:59,111
The military police who are responsible
633
00:50:59,112 --> 00:51:03,973
for patrolling the streets, enforcing laws, and the civil police
634
00:51:03,974 --> 00:51:07,977
who are mostly responsible for investigating crime.
635
00:51:07,978 --> 00:51:10,980
One might catch a criminal in the act
636
00:51:10,981 --> 00:51:14,489
and take him to the other for arrest and investigation.
637
00:51:14,490 --> 00:51:20,297
So dividing the responsibilities that you might find in another country’s police department.
638
00:51:20,298 --> 00:51:26,205
But both sides answer to the state secretary of public security.
639
00:51:38,712 --> 00:51:41,120
There have been more complaints about Warden
640
00:51:41,121 --> 00:51:44,453
interfering with police work, costing them cases.
641
00:51:44,454 --> 00:51:48,688
So the Secretary of Public Security decided that he needed
642
00:51:48,689 --> 00:51:53,022
to get on the same page with Warden, and they need to get it in writing.
643
00:51:53,023 --> 00:51:58,567
So Warden’s people go, sure, here are our terms.
644
00:52:07,609 --> 00:52:11,315
His people didn’t explain it, didn’t try to convince anybody.
645
00:52:11,316 --> 00:52:15,749
It was just, here you go, take it or leave it.
646
00:52:26,397 --> 00:52:29,993
And none of that mattered when Warden wanted to get rid of him.
647
00:52:29,994 --> 00:52:35,933
If Warden was against someone, it didn’t matter what his supporters thought before.
648
00:52:35,934 --> 00:52:37,836
Suddenly everyone was in lockstep.
649
00:52:37,837 --> 00:52:40,036
It was just like with Davi Lopes.
650
00:52:40,037 --> 00:52:41,774
Warden’s concern. The concern of his team was
651
00:52:41,775 --> 00:52:45,976
that the Secretary became less interested in protecting the residents of this city
652
00:52:45,977 --> 00:52:50,486
and more interested in protecting himself and some shady interests.
653
00:52:50,487 --> 00:52:53,225
Warden’s position was that the Governor should appoint
654
00:52:53,226 --> 00:52:54,919
Michel Borba as the new Secretary.
655
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,494
Michel Borba was the head of the Cyber Crimes Unit,
656
00:52:58,495 --> 00:53:01,167
at the Warden’s Justice Initiative.
657
00:53:01,168 --> 00:53:02,234
And Warden’s
658
00:53:02,235 --> 00:53:04,434
argument, reasonably, was that
659
00:53:04,435 --> 00:53:06,667
his cybercrimes unit was pioneering the crime
660
00:53:06,668 --> 00:53:10,638
fighting technology that the police would use in the coming years.
661
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:14,104
So why not put him in charge? It was simple.
662
00:53:20,550 --> 00:53:24,586
So now Warden is asking for a voice in the political process.
663
00:53:24,587 --> 00:53:25,752
A very large voice.
664
00:53:25,753 --> 00:53:28,117
And I can’t blame the governor for listening.
665
00:53:28,118 --> 00:53:31,659
How do you go up against the most popular personality in the world
666
00:53:31,660 --> 00:53:34,695
who, by the way, uses violence professionally?
667
00:53:34,696 --> 00:53:37,467
The newest move from Warden has raised alarm from critics
668
00:53:37,468 --> 00:53:42,374
who warn that Brazil’s justice system is bending to serve one man.
669
00:53:55,189 --> 00:53:59,049
At that point, I knew that if Warden wanted anything,
670
00:53:59,050 --> 00:54:00,623
he was going to get it.
671
00:54:19,411 --> 00:54:23,514
The 19th of June.
672
00:54:24,713 --> 00:54:27,616
Essentially the whole city coming together
673
00:54:27,617 --> 00:54:32,016
for a big party, was going to be bigger than the last carnival.
674
00:54:32,017 --> 00:54:34,987
But this was was Warden’s carnival.
675
00:54:35,757 --> 00:54:39,761
They were expecting hundreds and thousands of people.
676
00:54:42,467 --> 00:54:44,568
And then...
677
00:55:01,486 --> 00:55:05,457
I had never, ever seen him like he was that day.
678
00:55:08,592 --> 00:55:14,598
He said that he could feel himself losing control like he liked it when
679
00:55:15,027 --> 00:55:17,193
he killed that man.
680
00:55:17,194 --> 00:55:19,899
You couldn’t stop saying I did this.
681
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:20,801
He came after me.
682
00:55:20,802 --> 00:55:24,311
He blamed himself and he said it would never happen again.
683
00:55:26,379 --> 00:55:27,907
It was a young man who several years earlier
684
00:55:27,908 --> 00:55:33,144
had been removed from the police after a series of disciplinary problems.
685
00:55:33,947 --> 00:55:38,457
He seemed to have developed some kind of obsession with Warden.
686
00:55:39,326 --> 00:55:42,889
He killed 33 people in less than 2 minutes
687
00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:46,091
before a thankfully Warden could stop him.
688
00:55:47,301 --> 00:55:50,259
Immediately, people were asking questions.
689
00:55:50,260 --> 00:55:57,200
You know, there had been murders under Warden’s watch, but this one was different.
690
00:55:57,201 --> 00:56:00,907
Mass shootings like these are not common in Brazil.
691
00:56:00,908 --> 00:56:03,943
And never on this scale and in broad daylight.
692
00:56:03,944 --> 00:56:06,177
The victims were families.
693
00:56:06,848 --> 00:56:09,455
Kids.
694
00:56:47,955 --> 00:56:51,056
There was a sense that Warden’s enemies were lurking everywhere.
695
00:56:51,057 --> 00:56:55,698
They were in corporate boardrooms, the local newsrooms, but especially
696
00:56:55,699 --> 00:57:02,903
they were in government, he was sure, and his supporters especially were sure.
697
00:57:02,904 --> 00:57:05,609
But this was their way, his enemies way of
698
00:57:05,610 --> 00:57:09,514
of shaking their confidence in him, the sense that he was protecting.
699
00:57:09,515 --> 00:57:15,179
And I’ll be honest with you, there was conspiracy theory from the other side
700
00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:18,424
that Warden had planned the attack
701
00:57:18,425 --> 00:57:19,458
as a false flag operation,
702
00:57:19,459 --> 00:57:23,892
and he would use that panic to unleash the next phase of
703
00:57:24,728 --> 00:57:27,192
whatever he wanted.
704
00:57:28,259 --> 00:57:30,436
I think a lot of the wilder claims that my office
705
00:57:30,437 --> 00:57:35,034
was giving credence to conspiracy theories and so on, even at the time,
706
00:57:35,035 --> 00:57:38,334
it was fairly clear that those claims were advanced by people
707
00:57:38,335 --> 00:57:42,206
with a political agenda who wanted to discredit the justice system.
708
00:57:42,207 --> 00:57:46,782
What I saw from the vantage of my office was a series of troubling connections.
709
00:57:46,783 --> 00:57:50,621
Now, those connections may not have amounted to anything,
710
00:57:50,622 --> 00:57:56,089
but I was obligated to pursue the truth wherever it took me.
711
00:57:57,189 --> 00:58:00,158
I don’t think he slept for a month.
712
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:02,501
You know, he looked at the guy, the shooter,
713
00:58:02,502 --> 00:58:05,669
and he saw the whole system trying to defend itself.
714
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:08,606
You know, like a disease body rejecting medicine.
715
00:58:08,607 --> 00:58:13,710
He said that he could finally understand how far they were willing to go
716
00:58:13,711 --> 00:58:17,175
and that he was going to fight back.
717
00:58:17,176 --> 00:58:18,980
Who benefits?
718
00:58:19,486 --> 00:58:20,585
Just smells funny.
719
00:58:20,586 --> 00:58:22,686
I’m just asking questions.
720
00:58:22,687 --> 00:58:24,754
Movies and TV and comic books
721
00:58:24,755 --> 00:58:30,155
have trained us for decades to look behind the scenes for the hidden hand.
722
00:58:30,156 --> 00:58:35,667
It just makes stories more interesting and it’s perfect for our brains,
723
00:58:36,195 --> 00:58:38,031
cause and effect patterns.
724
00:58:38,032 --> 00:58:43,102
If something happens, it’s because someone wanted it to happen.
725
00:58:43,103 --> 00:58:44,136
Randomness, coincidences.
726
00:58:44,137 --> 00:58:45,434
There’s nothing interesting about that.
727
00:58:45,435 --> 00:58:48,481
Oh, and if you don’t see the patterns, if you think a coincidence
728
00:58:48,482 --> 00:58:53,981
is just a coincidence, there’s an explanation for that. You’re a sheep.
729
00:58:53,982 --> 00:58:58,150
And I asked him how he felt about the whole thing.
730
00:58:58,151 --> 00:59:01,450
Did he actually think that these people were willing
731
00:59:01,451 --> 00:59:05,696
to kill women and children just to make him look bad?
732
00:59:05,697 --> 00:59:08,534
And he said, I was naive, like used to be.
733
00:59:08,535 --> 00:59:11,900
And I honestly didn’t know anything about corruption and I didn’t know
734
00:59:11,901 --> 00:59:17,543
how far people were willing to go just to, you know, stop change.
735
00:59:17,544 --> 00:59:22,549
He said that he needed to be ready to go as far as they were.
736
00:59:23,308 --> 00:59:26,344
That was a shift in him.
737
00:59:37,663 --> 00:59:39,961
The companies decided that they needed
738
00:59:39,962 --> 00:59:43,360
to signal that they were in the right side of the Warden issue.
739
00:59:43,361 --> 00:59:46,737
You saw the Warden sign in people’s profile pictures.
740
00:59:46,738 --> 00:59:49,674
You saw the resignations at different companies.
741
00:59:49,675 --> 00:59:52,579
You could feel the temperature rising.
742
01:01:31,744 --> 01:01:35,109
In these circles, there was this feeling
743
01:01:35,110 --> 01:01:39,047
that the walls were closing in on the bad guys.
744
01:01:39,048 --> 01:01:41,610
And it kept everything at this fever pitch.
745
01:01:41,611 --> 01:01:46,318
There were these incidents where teachers, middle school or high school teachers
746
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:51,125
would say something that sounded skeptical of Warden
747
01:01:51,126 --> 01:01:54,700
or some of the actions he seemed to be endorsing.
748
01:01:54,701 --> 01:01:56,933
And some student would hear it posted on
749
01:01:56,934 --> 01:02:01,774
social media and there would be a wave of harassment.
750
01:02:02,203 --> 01:02:03,071
See, the Internet
751
01:02:03,072 --> 01:02:06,437
was the perfect hothouse for these things to grow in.
752
01:02:06,438 --> 01:02:09,682
Some of those teachers had to leave the city.
753
01:02:09,683 --> 01:02:15,051
I can tell you the city felt tense in a way I’d never experienced before.
754
01:02:15,447 --> 01:02:18,757
One day you’ll see Warden walking down, shaking hands
755
01:02:18,758 --> 01:02:22,761
and talking about how we’re all cleaning this place up.
756
01:02:22,762 --> 01:02:26,226
The next day, you’d see them fighting wildfires or rescuing people
757
01:02:26,227 --> 01:02:30,428
in mudslides, just in case you forgot what he could do to you
758
01:02:30,429 --> 01:02:34,037
if you didn’t get with the program.
759
01:02:37,601 --> 01:02:39,778
So at this time, every time you talk to him,
760
01:02:39,779 --> 01:02:44,948
it would be about his enemies, his enemies in this radio station
761
01:02:44,949 --> 01:02:49,349
or, you know, the office that’s working against him and.
762
01:02:49,756 --> 01:02:51,647
I really wanted to be on his side.
763
01:02:51,648 --> 01:02:56,388
You know, I really wanted our relationship to be something apart from all of this.
764
01:02:56,389 --> 01:02:59,391
And it was actually the point of keeping it a secret.
765
01:02:59,392 --> 01:03:01,800
But at this point, I just feel like he’s testing me.
766
01:03:01,801 --> 01:03:06,531
He’d want to see my phone. He’d want to know who I was talking to.
767
01:03:07,741 --> 01:03:08,631
And at some point
768
01:03:08,632 --> 01:03:12,041
in the streets I started noticing some people following me.
769
01:03:12,042 --> 01:03:15,672
So I went back home and I asked him
770
01:03:16,442 --> 01:03:20,512
and he said, Yes, it’s for your own safety.
771
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:24,317
That was the limit for me.
772
01:03:24,318 --> 01:03:28,860
I told him he was turning into someone I didn’t know and that he really needed
773
01:03:28,861 --> 01:03:31,555
to think if he wanted to keep going on a path
774
01:03:31,556 --> 01:03:37,561
that was making him so unhappy in that I definitely wasn’t going with him
775
01:03:37,562 --> 01:03:41,698
and I didn’t really see myself anywhere in here.
776
01:03:41,808 --> 01:03:44,040
I always think it’s ironic that when you have a leader
777
01:03:44,041 --> 01:03:49,980
who sees plotters and coups everywhere, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
778
01:03:49,981 --> 01:03:51,014
And the more they lash out
779
01:03:51,015 --> 01:03:54,887
at their imaginary enemies, the more real enemies they make.
780
01:04:09,066 --> 01:04:11,001
I had been talking to Davi on background
781
01:04:11,002 --> 01:04:15,632
and I told him about this conversation I had with a police officer.
782
01:04:15,633 --> 01:04:20,011
He’d gotten a call and gone to the scene.
783
01:04:21,243 --> 01:04:24,443
The suspect essentially
784
01:04:24,444 --> 01:04:28,546
it been what I would describe as tortured and killed by Warden.
785
01:04:28,547 --> 01:04:34,651
But the officer decides to investigate a little further and he realizes
786
01:04:34,652 --> 01:04:36,829
and he has the proof
787
01:04:36,830 --> 01:04:39,755
that Warden got the wrong guy.
788
01:04:39,756 --> 01:04:43,463
It tortured and killed an innocent man.
789
01:04:44,871 --> 01:04:49,370
It’s just. Beyond words.
790
01:04:50,008 --> 01:04:51,800
So the officer, you know,
791
01:04:51,801 --> 01:04:54,704
does the paperwork, files the report
792
01:04:54,705 --> 01:04:59,853
and his boss tells him to destroy all the evidence.
793
01:05:00,117 --> 01:05:01,920
So he goes to his boss. His boss and.
794
01:05:01,921 --> 01:05:07,860
And what they on this guy’s table is a photo of him shaking hands with Warden.
795
01:05:07,861 --> 01:05:13,867
So the officer takes one look at that photo and decides
796
01:05:13,966 --> 01:05:17,365
it’s clearly not safe for me to know what I know.
797
01:05:18,971 --> 01:05:20,301
So I’m going to shut up.
798
01:05:20,302 --> 01:05:23,535
It wasn’t just police officers that were starting to talk.
799
01:05:23,536 --> 01:05:28,804
It was like a handful of people in the State Attorney General’s office,
800
01:05:28,805 --> 01:05:35,383
a handful of people in the courts, a few teachers, a bunch of journalists.
801
01:05:37,121 --> 01:05:39,848
At this point, everyone is communicating separately.
802
01:05:39,849 --> 01:05:44,688
There’s this feeling of paranoia that if the wrong person
803
01:05:44,689 --> 01:05:49,198
gets wind of this, something terrible could happen to you.
804
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:50,903
It’s called the coordination problem.
805
01:05:50,904 --> 01:05:55,534
Nobody wants to be the soldier that jumps out of a trench and gets gunned down.
806
01:05:55,535 --> 01:05:57,635
But if everybody jumps out at the same time,
807
01:05:57,636 --> 01:06:00,803
there’s a decent chance that some of them will make it to the target.
808
01:06:00,804 --> 01:06:06,116
The problem is, how do you know anybody’s going to jump out with you,
809
01:06:06,117 --> 01:06:10,550
especially when you don’t even know who else is in the trench?
810
01:06:21,198 --> 01:06:24,431
After I told Davi about this story.
811
01:06:24,432 --> 01:06:29,535
He said to me, You know, there are other people who had similar stories.
812
01:06:29,536 --> 01:06:32,109
I said, How many?
813
01:06:32,110 --> 01:06:33,947
There were a lot.
814
01:06:34,706 --> 01:06:35,640
He showed me a video,
815
01:06:35,641 --> 01:06:40,513
something the Brazilian Hero producers tried to bury.
816
01:06:40,514 --> 01:06:45,222
There’s a man and he’s taunting Warden
817
01:06:45,552 --> 01:06:50,590
and Warden just snapped. Killed him.
818
01:06:55,892 --> 01:06:59,236
I felt sick.
819
01:07:10,709 --> 01:07:14,811
So I guess you could say I’m getting used to this superhero thing.
820
01:07:14,812 --> 01:07:18,782
I’ve stopped some bad guys and helped to fix my hometown,
821
01:07:18,783 --> 01:07:21,994
and I’ve learned more about my powers.
822
01:07:21,995 --> 01:07:26,691
More importantly, I’ve gotten to connect with people. Still.
823
01:07:26,692 --> 01:07:30,794
It’s a funny thing being called a superhero all the time.
824
01:07:30,795 --> 01:07:34,436
Maybe this is the year when everything changes.
825
01:07:43,214 --> 01:07:46,645
I was in the front yard when my wife called out to me.
826
01:07:46,646 --> 01:07:48,581
Turn the news on.
827
01:07:48,582 --> 01:07:49,714
And I thought, oh, shit.
828
01:07:49,715 --> 01:07:52,684
Disturbing images emerging today from what sources
829
01:07:52,685 --> 01:07:54,917
and the prosecutor’s office in Nova, Sao Paulo
830
01:07:54,918 --> 01:07:59,857
say was an act of brutality carried out by Warden.
831
01:08:14,146 --> 01:08:19,844
Guard the skeletons in Warden’s closet, Literally and figuratively.
832
01:08:25,421 --> 01:08:29,160
I walked away that morning.
833
01:08:29,161 --> 01:08:30,524
You know, it comes to a point where
834
01:08:30,525 --> 01:08:34,198
the whole thing that you’ve constructed, something gets inside
835
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:37,927
and it’s just really easy to tear the whole thing down.
836
01:08:37,928 --> 01:08:41,832
He had been calling me and texting me the whole day, but I wasn’t answering.
837
01:08:41,833 --> 01:08:46,540
So he showed up at my apartment, just furious that these people for,
838
01:08:46,541 --> 01:08:51,579
you know, try and destroy him and at me for being on their side.
839
01:08:52,382 --> 01:08:56,715
And I told him I was done and he didn’t like that.
840
01:08:56,716 --> 01:09:01,456
And honestly, that was. Scary.
841
01:09:01,457 --> 01:09:04,888
He said that there were people trying to hurt me, that he was
842
01:09:04,889 --> 01:09:07,660
the only one keeping me safe
843
01:09:07,661 --> 01:09:11,863
and I wasn’t saying anything. I was done.
844
01:09:12,501 --> 01:09:14,568
So he got really quiet
845
01:09:14,569 --> 01:09:18,474
and he said, You’re not a part of this anymore.
846
01:09:18,804 --> 01:09:21,741
And then he just left.
847
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,412
Reports from Brazil that Warden has left
848
01:09:23,413 --> 01:09:27,911
Nova Sao Paulo amid a wave of explosive allegations in recent days.
849
01:09:27,912 --> 01:09:31,123
We knew immediately that this was the product of a sophisticated
850
01:09:31,124 --> 01:09:37,086
media operation and there was really no effort to hide it or hide the agenda.
851
01:09:38,362 --> 01:09:44,202
I think that people from Nova Sao Paulo saw right through it. I really do.
852
01:09:44,203 --> 01:09:47,965
But the national media has its own imperatives. Right?
853
01:09:48,372 --> 01:09:50,242
And they smell the story.
854
01:12:28,092 --> 01:12:34,405
7:14 a.m... A search warrant was issued for the Justice Initiative Building.
855
01:12:34,406 --> 01:12:38,772
At 7:20, the military police deployed its forces to
856
01:12:38,773 --> 01:12:41,677
Sao Paulo to take him into custody.
857
01:13:58,523 --> 01:14:02,152
The police had assembled their forces along a two kilometer
858
01:14:02,153 --> 01:14:06,431
perimeter around a building sort of sending a message like,
859
01:14:06,432 --> 01:14:10,227
look, we are serious, but we don’t have to do this.
860
01:14:11,899 --> 01:14:13,504
That’s when Warden showed up.
861
01:14:13,505 --> 01:14:18,609
This was the first time anybody had seen him since the story came out,
862
01:15:36,346 --> 01:15:38,083
In his mind.
863
01:15:38,084 --> 01:15:40,690
This is the ultimate battle,
864
01:15:40,691 --> 01:15:42,285
good versus evil.
865
01:15:42,286 --> 01:15:44,793
He’s defending his city.
866
01:15:44,794 --> 01:15:47,323
This is what superheroes do.
867
01:15:47,324 --> 01:15:51,800
The police basic doctrine was we acknowledge
868
01:15:51,801 --> 01:15:56,970
that any one officer, any hundred is no match for Warden.
869
01:15:56,971 --> 01:15:58,367
But he can’t be everywhere at once.
870
01:15:58,368 --> 01:16:02,107
So we’re going to advance and presume that he is not going
871
01:16:02,108 --> 01:16:07,013
to start a bloodbath with thousands of civilian lives on the line.
872
01:16:07,014 --> 01:16:10,556
And we’re going to dare him to fire the first shot.
873
01:16:11,821 --> 01:16:13,383
He accepted.
874
01:16:16,628 --> 01:16:17,661
I didn’t think
875
01:16:17,662 --> 01:16:20,532
whether it was safe from the studio.
876
01:16:20,533 --> 01:16:25,834
It was just these words repeating over and over "just get through it".
877
01:16:25,835 --> 01:16:27,198
"just get through it"
878
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:29,970
It takes 2 hours for the Army to take the first block.
879
01:16:29,971 --> 01:16:31,939
Fighting continues to rage in Nova Sao Paulo.
880
01:16:31,940 --> 01:16:37,583
Well, after dark, the White House issuing a statement urging all sides.
881
01:16:38,276 --> 01:16:39,815
It was taking its toll.
882
01:16:39,816 --> 01:16:42,444
A big toll was police against civilians.
883
01:16:42,445 --> 01:16:46,481
Warden was doing damage but trying to avoid a body count.
884
01:16:46,482 --> 01:16:50,562
Shocking images of violence in the streets of Nova Sao Paulo as residents
885
01:16:50,563 --> 01:16:54,830
gathered as an act of protest that appears to have descended into violence.
886
01:16:54,831 --> 01:16:56,458
This brawl.
887
01:16:56,459 --> 01:17:00,034
People in masks just tearing into each other.
888
01:17:08,977 --> 01:17:10,714
As bad as it was for the police.
889
01:17:10,715 --> 01:17:13,684
They’re taking territory, they’re holding it,
890
01:17:13,685 --> 01:17:16,148
and they’re pacifying the civilian population.
891
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:20,218
Finally that evening, they have a tight cordon around Warden’s
892
01:17:20,219 --> 01:17:24,761
building and more police units mobilizing.
893
01:17:24,762 --> 01:17:26,290
He’s surrounded.
894
01:17:26,291 --> 01:17:27,632
He’s not going anywhere.
895
01:17:27,633 --> 01:17:30,162
Now, this is the dilemma.
896
01:17:30,163 --> 01:17:32,428
There’s only one way into that building.
897
01:17:32,429 --> 01:17:37,499
And the police know that they’re not going in there without losing
898
01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:40,909
hundreds of troops and possibly more civilians.
899
01:17:40,910 --> 01:17:45,650
They’re not going to be able to arrest Warden. It’s a siege.
900
01:17:45,651 --> 01:17:48,951
And the plan was to see how far Warden would go.
901
01:17:54,484 --> 01:17:57,057
And now you’ve got pressure on the Governor.
902
01:17:57,058 --> 01:17:58,520
You’ve got the President calling.
903
01:17:58,521 --> 01:18:01,963
You’ve got casualties, damage in the water and power
904
01:18:01,964 --> 01:18:06,000
supplies, the possibility of unrest in other cities.
905
01:18:06,001 --> 01:18:08,464
Everything is pushing toward a fast resolution.
906
01:18:08,465 --> 01:18:14,107
And I think it occurred to a lot of people, especially around Warden,
907
01:18:14,108 --> 01:18:17,110
that times like these times of crisis
908
01:18:17,111 --> 01:18:21,378
are when you get to make the big changes to your wish list.
909
01:18:21,379 --> 01:18:22,753
Warden did his part
910
01:18:22,754 --> 01:18:26,350
and he faced those policemen, thousands of them, outside his building,
911
01:18:26,351 --> 01:18:30,552
and he made it clear that he wasn’t going to abandon his city.
912
01:18:30,553 --> 01:18:34,325
My job was to make sure that this incursion
913
01:18:34,326 --> 01:18:37,329
didn’t turn into facts on the ground.
914
01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:52,607
This was the deal.
915
01:18:52,608 --> 01:18:56,721
The state would withdraw all of its emergency forces out of the city
916
01:18:56,722 --> 01:19:00,219
and the state will allow the city to govern its affairs in accordance
917
01:19:00,220 --> 01:19:03,057
with the wishes of the people who lived here.
918
01:19:03,058 --> 01:19:05,323
That meant holding a vote, a plebiscite.
919
01:19:05,324 --> 01:19:09,624
The people from Nova Sao Paulo would decide whether to investigate Warden
920
01:19:09,625 --> 01:19:14,365
or give him the legal tools he needed to best serve the city
921
01:19:14,366 --> 01:19:15,498
and to the rest of the country.
922
01:19:15,499 --> 01:19:18,403
It was a statement We want our business, you mind yours
923
01:19:19,602 --> 01:19:23,440
and by our example we’ll show you that we’ve got the better way.
924
01:19:23,441 --> 01:19:24,441
Voters in Nova Sao Paulo
925
01:19:24,442 --> 01:19:28,676
They’ll decide whether to grant Warden sweeping new powers or leave
926
01:19:28,677 --> 01:19:30,051
the justice system intact.
927
01:19:30,052 --> 01:19:31,580
Warden has promised to abide by the result,
928
01:19:31,581 --> 01:19:37,521
even if a no vote would force him to face prosecution by the state government.
929
01:20:20,267 --> 01:20:24,402
There’s this thing that a lot of us think that the king,
930
01:20:24,403 --> 01:20:29,375
the emperor, just marches up to the throne and says, I’m in charge now.
931
01:20:29,848 --> 01:20:31,475
But that’s not true.
932
01:20:31,476 --> 01:20:32,850
That’s not how it happens.
933
01:20:32,851 --> 01:20:37,954
The first Roman emperor was given his powers one at a time
934
01:20:37,955 --> 01:20:43,355
by the Senate to save the republic.
935
01:20:43,356 --> 01:20:45,797
They didn’t even call him the emperor.
936
01:20:45,798 --> 01:20:48,426
They called him the Princeps.
937
01:20:48,427 --> 01:20:50,901
It meant first citizen.
938
01:20:50,902 --> 01:20:53,871
On the surface, it was the status quo.
939
01:20:53,872 --> 01:20:59,009
But behind the scenes, Warden had been given a state within a state,
940
01:20:59,273 --> 01:21:00,339
he could run things his way.
941
01:21:00,340 --> 01:21:03,573
Whatever that meant on any given day, and anybody who didn’t like
942
01:21:03,574 --> 01:21:06,577
could just get the hell out.
943
01:21:07,215 --> 01:21:10,317
I left as soon as the fighting stopped.
944
01:21:11,087 --> 01:21:14,518
It felt like witness protection,
945
01:21:14,519 --> 01:21:18,830
you know, new city, new home, new friends.
946
01:21:18,831 --> 01:21:22,328
And I know that if he wants to, he’ll find me or it’ll be someone
947
01:21:22,329 --> 01:21:26,630
he doesn’t even know who wants to be part of the movement. But.
948
01:21:27,565 --> 01:21:31,844
I wanted to tell the truth first.
949
01:22:13,710 --> 01:22:17,020
I have been told the execs from our parent company were flying
950
01:22:17,021 --> 01:22:22,784
in the next morning to meet with my producers , so I knew that wasn’t good.
951
01:22:22,785 --> 01:22:26,722
People were already trying to get me off the air.
952
01:22:26,723 --> 01:22:28,361
I was a liability.
953
01:22:28,362 --> 01:22:30,858
And with the meeting happening,
954
01:22:30,859 --> 01:22:36,765
I pretty much knew that night would be my last broadcast.
955
01:22:36,766 --> 01:22:38,734
They were shooting right at the messenger.
956
01:22:38,735 --> 01:22:44,410
So I received a call from my boss in the UK headquarters.
957
01:22:44,411 --> 01:22:49,514
So very polite conversation wherein I was informed
958
01:22:49,515 --> 01:22:55,058
that the owners had essentially terminated
959
01:22:55,059 --> 01:22:58,358
the whole newsroom in Brazil, effective immediately.
960
01:22:58,359 --> 01:23:04,232
You look at the news coverage since we left, I think Warden’s been pretty happy.
961
01:23:04,233 --> 01:23:08,897
Warden was about controlling the message. But look
962
01:23:09,667 --> 01:23:12,537
Yeah. What’s that line?
963
01:23:12,538 --> 01:23:15,948
Democracy is the theory that.
964
01:23:16,608 --> 01:23:18,774
People know what they want
965
01:23:18,775 --> 01:23:23,989
and deserve to get it good and hard.
966
01:23:25,782 --> 01:23:29,962
I think people. Got what they asked for.
967
01:23:35,825 --> 01:23:40,566
I was very proud of the work I done as a state attorney general.
968
01:23:40,731 --> 01:23:41,863
But after speaking with Warden,
969
01:23:41,864 --> 01:23:46,043
we came to the conclusion that I would best serve the city as Mayor.
970
01:23:46,044 --> 01:23:48,342
And fortunately, people agreed.
971
01:23:48,343 --> 01:23:53,018
And I think all the work we did speaks for itself.
972
01:23:54,184 --> 01:23:55,283
There’s no denying that.
973
01:23:55,284 --> 01:23:58,946
Nova Paulo, the city that Romeu Filho and Warden
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01:23:58,947 --> 01:24:01,994
are building will impress you.
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01:24:02,456 --> 01:24:05,161
It wants to impress you.
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01:24:05,162 --> 01:24:08,131
Its skyline is its own message.
977
01:24:08,132 --> 01:24:10,562
Look at what we can do.
978
01:24:10,563 --> 01:24:14,005
It’s one part Singapore, one part Sparta.
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01:24:14,006 --> 01:24:16,469
In this state of perpetual high alert,
980
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:21,969
looking every day for attacks from without and traitors from within.
981
01:24:21,970 --> 01:24:25,610
There it is. He has his city.
982
01:24:25,611 --> 01:24:28,250
He enforces the law his way.
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01:24:28,251 --> 01:24:33,651
Frankly, I think it’s the perfect expression of what a superhero is.
984
01:24:33,652 --> 01:24:36,489
A lot of it, you’ll recognize, looks the same.
985
01:24:36,490 --> 01:24:38,920
But there’s an iron curtain.
986
01:24:38,921 --> 01:24:43,529
You don’t get a lot of news that’s real. You get rumors.
987
01:24:43,530 --> 01:24:47,698
Now, Warden is doing less and less public appearances.
988
01:24:47,699 --> 01:24:49,865
He is spending more time alone.
989
01:24:49,866 --> 01:24:53,209
He’s angrier. He’s paranoid.
990
01:24:53,210 --> 01:24:55,574
He sees enemies and rats everywhere.
991
01:24:55,575 --> 01:24:58,874
Ever since people came forward about him.
992
01:24:58,875 --> 01:25:02,383
Now, if you live in Nova Sao Paulo,
993
01:25:02,384 --> 01:25:05,881
you’re going to think twice before criticizing Warden.
994
01:25:05,882 --> 01:25:07,751
And if you read anything about the city,
995
01:25:07,752 --> 01:25:10,820
it’s because Warden allowed it to be published.
996
01:25:10,821 --> 01:25:15,528
Anything else gets branded a conspiracy theory and shouted down.
997
01:25:15,529 --> 01:25:19,565
So the truth is getting murkier and murkier,
998
01:25:19,566 --> 01:25:25,506
and the collective sense of reality is slipping away.
999
01:26:04,710 --> 01:26:07,910
You hear his obsessed with his legacy.
1000
01:26:07,911 --> 01:26:11,287
He needs to know what comes after him.
1001
01:26:11,288 --> 01:26:12,420
You hear about researchers.
1002
01:26:12,421 --> 01:26:18,019
He has them doing experiments trying to duplicate whatever made him
1003
01:26:18,020 --> 01:26:20,494
everything he swore not to do.
1004
01:26:20,495 --> 01:26:26,797
Criminals. Suspects disappear, but
1005
01:26:26,798 --> 01:26:31,638
We don’t know that. Romeu Filho keeps it under guard
1006
01:26:32,342 --> 01:26:34,640
the new way can’t be wrong.
1007
01:26:34,641 --> 01:26:36,279
It’s still too much to gain for the winners.
1008
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:41,449
So the message from everyone every day, business, news
1009
01:26:41,450 --> 01:26:43,286
is that the city is thriving.
1010
01:26:43,287 --> 01:26:45,585
The city is safe.
1011
01:26:45,586 --> 01:26:47,257
The city is defying its critics.
1012
01:26:47,258 --> 01:26:51,195
It’s silenced the doubts. It’s kicked out the traitors.
1013
01:26:51,196 --> 01:26:53,197
It’s found a better way.
1014
01:26:53,198 --> 01:26:54,991
It has its Warden.
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01:26:55,794 --> 01:26:59,303
And now the real work can begin.
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