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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:33,221 --> 00:00:38,852 So back when you started, there were some doubts, right? 2 00:00:38,853 --> 00:00:40,327 Were there? 3 00:00:40,492 --> 00:00:41,657 I hadn’t heard. 4 00:00:41,658 --> 00:00:44,099 So that’s news to you? I know. 5 00:00:44,100 --> 00:00:47,597 What would you like to say to those people who think, well, 6 00:00:47,598 --> 00:00:49,302 I like what this guy’s doing, but... 7 00:00:49,303 --> 00:00:53,108 I’ve elected people to represent me who should be doing this job? 8 00:00:53,109 --> 00:00:56,705 Everything, All the criticism that I’ve heard of what I’m doing, it 9 00:00:56,706 --> 00:01:00,676 basically boils down to, well, what about the system? 10 00:01:00,677 --> 00:01:02,612 Trust the system. 11 00:01:02,613 --> 00:01:07,024 The system wasn’t representing people. But I am. 12 00:01:09,521 --> 00:01:12,358 Daniel didn’t really have much to say about himself at first, 13 00:01:12,359 --> 00:01:16,857 so it was really on the journalists in Brazil to find out who he was 14 00:01:16,858 --> 00:01:20,037 and how he came to be that way. 15 00:01:21,929 --> 00:01:23,039 There wasn’t anything about him 16 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,537 growing up that would make you think this guy’s different. 17 00:01:26,538 --> 00:01:32,082 It was comics, video games and football. 18 00:01:33,710 --> 00:01:37,449 He never talked to anybody about it, any of his friends. 19 00:01:37,450 --> 00:01:38,978 But at some point he just started, 20 00:01:38,979 --> 00:01:41,882 you know, avoiding physical activities at school. 21 00:01:41,883 --> 00:01:45,194 He said he was bored with them. 22 00:01:47,691 --> 00:01:51,793 Definitely not one of the cool kids in school. 23 00:01:51,794 --> 00:01:54,862 But he do these things when we hung out 24 00:01:54,863 --> 00:01:59,274 and I thought it was hilarious because he didn’t even care. 25 00:02:00,033 --> 00:02:01,836 He’s almost the archetype, 26 00:02:01,837 --> 00:02:05,972 the lost soul, the outsider who suddenly discovers, Hey, 27 00:02:05,973 --> 00:02:12,352 I can have control over my own life in a very big, very powerful way. 28 00:02:12,353 --> 00:02:17,754 Superhero comics and movies have given him the tools to say. 29 00:02:18,623 --> 00:02:20,262 I’m a superhero. 30 00:02:26,895 --> 00:02:29,304 Do they like you? I don’t know. 31 00:02:33,869 --> 00:02:34,968 Word also started to get out 32 00:02:34,969 --> 00:02:38,609 pretty quickly about the crime numbers the city was posting. 33 00:02:38,610 --> 00:02:41,513 and we had posted double digit declines 34 00:02:41,514 --> 00:02:44,220 that began to attract a lot of attention. 35 00:02:55,088 --> 00:02:57,056 He’s a global celebrity. 36 00:02:57,057 --> 00:03:00,400 And, you know, against like all of the good. 37 00:03:00,401 --> 00:03:02,468 he’s doing, the complaints? 38 00:03:02,469 --> 00:03:03,634 They’re less than a footnote. 39 00:03:03,635 --> 00:03:07,506 If you want to understand why he became so popular so quickly, 40 00:03:07,507 --> 00:03:10,510 all you have to do is look at his background. 41 00:03:22,357 --> 00:03:23,357 And they find out 42 00:03:23,358 --> 00:03:26,624 we’ve been living right under our noses in Nova Sao Paulo his whole life. 43 00:03:26,625 --> 00:03:31,728 But as you’d expect, it’s the story about his birth that’s unusual. 44 00:03:31,729 --> 00:03:36,029 His biological parents are from the state of Pernambuco, 45 00:03:36,030 --> 00:03:38,405 and we find out they both passed away 46 00:03:38,406 --> 00:03:41,672 from something that looks like radiation poisoning. 47 00:03:41,673 --> 00:03:46,183 The father right before his birth, mother just after 48 00:03:46,678 --> 00:03:47,612 and when no family 49 00:03:47,613 --> 00:03:51,550 surfaces to take the baby, he’s placed into the foster care system. 50 00:03:51,551 --> 00:03:55,488 A family adopts him, and from what we can tell, he grows up 51 00:03:55,489 --> 00:03:58,393 normally under the circumstances. 52 00:04:17,676 --> 00:04:22,075 So we were in college by then, and one day he just stopped going to class. 53 00:04:22,076 --> 00:04:25,485 So when I texted him, he told me that he’d been thinking 54 00:04:25,486 --> 00:04:28,983 a lot about the way his mom was killed. 55 00:04:28,984 --> 00:04:33,989 I thought that was weird because he never really talked about her. 56 00:04:54,317 --> 00:04:59,079 He told me that he needed some time off and he wanted to, 57 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,116 you know, figure out who he really was. 58 00:05:20,277 --> 00:05:24,940 He’s discovering this strength, this speed, the fact that nothing seems to hurt it. 59 00:05:24,941 --> 00:05:28,174 We don’t know when he first noticed there was something different about him, 60 00:05:28,175 --> 00:05:32,982 but we do know he threw himself into figuring out what to do with it. 61 00:05:35,754 --> 00:05:40,824 it almost perfectly fits the contours of the classic superhero origin story. 62 00:05:40,825 --> 00:05:45,158 Now, if you’re somebody who doesn’t have these things, that’s a perfect fantasy. 63 00:05:45,159 --> 00:05:49,668 And that’s why superhero stories connect with so many of us. 64 00:05:49,669 --> 00:05:55,477 And now along comes someone who gets to live that story. 65 00:05:56,445 --> 00:05:58,743 So what is he thinking about? 66 00:05:58,744 --> 00:06:01,240 He’s growing up reading comic books like the rest of us. 67 00:06:01,241 --> 00:06:07,785 And what those have done is given him a sort of decoder key for reality. 68 00:06:07,786 --> 00:06:11,052 Oh, now I understand why I’m like this. 69 00:06:11,053 --> 00:06:13,252 Now I understand why I’m feeling this way. 70 00:06:13,253 --> 00:06:16,332 Now I understand what I should do. 71 00:06:16,333 --> 00:06:19,566 And what is it that superheroes do? 72 00:06:19,567 --> 00:06:22,504 They fight villains. 73 00:06:39,081 --> 00:06:41,423 It was only like four years ago. 74 00:06:41,424 --> 00:06:44,889 I had been an anchor on CNE for three years. 75 00:06:47,364 --> 00:06:51,962 You start thinking you’ve seen everything, even the bus hijacking. 76 00:06:52,259 --> 00:06:54,095 So that wasn’t a surprise. 77 00:06:54,096 --> 00:06:57,703 But what happened next? That was. 78 00:06:57,704 --> 00:07:00,574 A bus hijacking in Nova Sao Paulo, Brazil. 79 00:07:00,575 --> 00:07:02,334 Coming to a surprising conclusion... 80 00:07:02,335 --> 00:07:04,446 ...a man appears to have leapt through the bus window 81 00:07:04,447 --> 00:07:09,583 at an inconceivable speed, stopping the hijacker before disappearing. 82 00:07:09,584 --> 00:07:13,389 And then the gunman just goes like flying off the bus. 83 00:07:13,390 --> 00:07:16,689 And this... I guess I would call him a kid. 84 00:07:16,690 --> 00:07:19,891 This kid steps off, like totally calm, 85 00:07:21,794 --> 00:07:24,092 like he just got to his stop. 86 00:07:24,093 --> 00:07:27,469 An astonishing story out of Nova Sao Paulo, Brazil. 87 00:07:27,470 --> 00:07:30,065 It was like a scene out of a superhero movie. 88 00:07:30,066 --> 00:07:33,805 The attention of the entire world has turned to the Brazilian city 89 00:07:33,806 --> 00:07:36,710 and to the vigilante hero from last... 90 00:07:47,083 --> 00:07:50,591 The vigilante named Daniel Dias has left scientists 91 00:07:50,592 --> 00:07:54,155 in disbelief with a slew of abilities that seem more at home. 92 00:07:54,156 --> 00:07:56,091 In a comic... He can leap hundreds of meters. 93 00:07:56,092 --> 00:08:00,161 He runs faster than the speed of sound, and he’s strong enough 94 00:08:00,162 --> 00:08:02,768 to bend solid metal. 95 00:08:02,769 --> 00:08:06,476 What we don’t know about him, how he exists. 96 00:08:07,972 --> 00:08:11,271 So the day after the bus. 97 00:08:11,272 --> 00:08:17,079 After he introduced himself to the camera, he walks in as if, 98 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,820 you know, nothing happened, like... 99 00:08:23,493 --> 00:08:26,891 and, oh my God, before he even gets to the door. 100 00:08:26,892 --> 00:08:29,894 I mean, for a shy kid, this 101 00:08:29,895 --> 00:08:33,568 moment is the moment that you dream of. 102 00:08:33,569 --> 00:08:34,393 He was the hero. 103 00:08:34,394 --> 00:08:38,331 Everybody at school knew his name and not just at school. 104 00:08:38,332 --> 00:08:44,172 Now is the biggest story in the world is a comic book come to life. 105 00:08:44,173 --> 00:08:45,107 He’s a celebrity. 106 00:08:45,108 --> 00:08:48,880 Everybody wanted to be the childhood friend. 107 00:08:48,881 --> 00:08:51,410 Everyone had this one story about the one time 108 00:08:51,411 --> 00:08:57,087 they had talked and how from just that they knew how special he was. 109 00:08:57,593 --> 00:09:00,892 Definitely news to him how many friends he had. 110 00:09:00,893 --> 00:09:05,930 We know because we’ve read the same comics and seen the same movies that he has. 111 00:09:05,931 --> 00:09:11,199 That celebrity is something he must have anticipated since it began. 112 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,335 But there are different ways of interacting with the public. 113 00:09:15,336 --> 00:09:16,644 There’s the Bruce Wayne model 114 00:09:16,645 --> 00:09:19,548 where I’m a celebrity in everyday life, but nobody knows I’m Batman. 115 00:09:19,549 --> 00:09:23,145 Then there’s the Peter Parker model where I’m the totally anonymous, 116 00:09:23,146 --> 00:09:25,213 mild mannered high school student. 117 00:09:25,214 --> 00:09:26,555 Oh, there’s the Tony Stark model 118 00:09:26,556 --> 00:09:30,053 where it’s like, Hey, I am Iron Man. 119 00:09:30,054 --> 00:09:32,957 I think if you look at the world today at digital technology, 120 00:09:32,958 --> 00:09:36,730 you think I’m going to spend half my energy protecting my secret identity, 121 00:09:36,731 --> 00:09:38,490 then order 50 sets of matching long underwear 122 00:09:38,491 --> 00:09:41,196 and somebody is just going to find out who I am anyway. 123 00:09:41,197 --> 00:09:43,969 I’ll pass on the whole Bruce Wayne thing. 124 00:09:44,497 --> 00:09:46,036 As a public figure, at least 125 00:09:46,037 --> 00:09:50,040 you go into a restaurant and you get drinks on the house. 126 00:09:50,041 --> 00:09:53,077 You know, you get the perks. 127 00:10:36,087 --> 00:10:37,219 There’s this big question 128 00:10:37,220 --> 00:10:41,421 What’s someone with Daniel’s ability supposed to do in the real world? 129 00:10:41,422 --> 00:10:42,455 If you want to make money, 130 00:10:42,456 --> 00:10:46,063 the first thing I think is probably I should play a professional sport. 131 00:10:46,064 --> 00:10:50,067 But as soon as there’s even a whisper of that, the International Olympic 132 00:10:50,068 --> 00:10:55,677 Committee, the players associations in every sport, even in America, 133 00:10:55,678 --> 00:10:59,142 they make it known that he’s not welcome to compete. 134 00:10:59,143 --> 00:11:02,948 So the next idea is from these American producers 135 00:11:02,949 --> 00:11:07,755 who try to sell him on the concept of a big live show, 136 00:11:07,756 --> 00:11:12,056 kind of a spectacle where he can show off his powers around the world. 137 00:11:12,057 --> 00:11:14,586 That just is like a circus act. He passes. 138 00:11:14,587 --> 00:11:19,998 Some people were even trying to attach themselves to him from all Churches, 139 00:11:19,999 --> 00:11:27,566 the ones talking about like prophecy chosen one stuff that creeps him out. 140 00:11:27,567 --> 00:11:28,710 So if you never had a 141 00:11:28,711 --> 00:11:33,044 friend turn into an object of worship, I’ll tell you right away. 142 00:11:33,045 --> 00:11:35,475 I had no idea what to tell him. 143 00:11:35,476 --> 00:11:38,478 I mean, he’s trying really hard to be the same person 144 00:11:38,479 --> 00:11:42,548 he was, but his life looks nothing like it did before. 145 00:11:42,549 --> 00:11:46,762 You have people calling him a Savior, God. 146 00:11:47,224 --> 00:11:50,864 What do you tell your friend? 147 00:11:50,865 --> 00:11:53,494 I was like... 148 00:11:55,166 --> 00:11:57,201 Take the free stuff. 149 00:11:57,465 --> 00:12:00,038 You know, what would you say? 150 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:06,308 But I think his dad was really the one reminding him, you have a gift. 151 00:12:06,309 --> 00:12:07,683 You can do things. 152 00:12:07,684 --> 00:12:10,048 Look what’s happening in the country. 153 00:12:10,049 --> 00:12:12,545 You can tell he’s kind of searching for meaning. 154 00:12:12,546 --> 00:12:16,990 And he’s thinking, What’s my way to go big? 155 00:12:17,386 --> 00:12:21,456 But in all these places, his response is. 156 00:12:22,127 --> 00:12:24,733 I don’t want to be part of that. 157 00:12:24,734 --> 00:12:27,131 So you have a superhero. 158 00:12:27,132 --> 00:12:31,102 The first thing I think is he’s got to fight crime, right? 159 00:12:31,103 --> 00:12:33,368 I think someone looked at him and figure. 160 00:12:33,369 --> 00:12:37,075 Sooner or later, this kid’s going to be busts and bad guys. 161 00:12:37,076 --> 00:12:39,176 He might as well learn what’s game’s about. 162 00:12:39,177 --> 00:12:43,246 So they let him participate in some police operations. 163 00:12:43,247 --> 00:12:46,381 You’d seen his face. He loved it. 164 00:12:46,382 --> 00:12:49,924 Everybody loved it. 165 00:12:51,651 --> 00:12:54,686 What is a superhero? 166 00:12:54,687 --> 00:12:59,064 A superhero is someone who sacrifices for us. 167 00:12:59,065 --> 00:13:02,430 Someone who can do the job alone. So we don’t have to. 168 00:13:02,431 --> 00:13:07,171 Now, you can have superhero teams, but what you don’t have is superheroes 169 00:13:07,172 --> 00:13:12,341 on teams. So every time he gets involved with an organization, 170 00:13:12,342 --> 00:13:15,444 there are these disagreements. 171 00:13:15,642 --> 00:13:17,214 He wants to do things his way. 172 00:13:17,215 --> 00:13:21,185 He feels like they’re holding him back. And he’s right. 173 00:13:21,186 --> 00:13:24,255 They are. I mean, he’s a 174 00:13:24,717 --> 00:13:27,224 he’s an unstoppable force. 175 00:13:27,225 --> 00:13:29,424 But that works both ways. 176 00:13:29,425 --> 00:13:33,769 We had started talking a lot when he was out there trying out stuff. 177 00:13:33,770 --> 00:13:37,003 You know, every day would be a text. 178 00:13:37,004 --> 00:13:39,434 A meme, a video call. 179 00:13:39,435 --> 00:13:41,436 I like that he hadn’t changed. 180 00:13:41,437 --> 00:13:43,537 If anyone had a right to change, it was him. 181 00:13:43,538 --> 00:13:46,375 But he was still the same person I knew growing up. 182 00:13:46,376 --> 00:13:47,640 You know, because he genuinely believed 183 00:13:47,641 --> 00:13:50,984 that he could do the right thing and that he would do the right thing. 184 00:13:50,985 --> 00:13:56,793 He just didn’t feel this trust coming from the people making the decisions. 185 00:14:49,142 --> 00:14:52,540 That speech was when I first set up and realized this guy wasn’t 186 00:14:52,541 --> 00:14:56,445 just some celebrity out there with a couple of models in his arms. 187 00:14:56,446 --> 00:14:59,856 He was somebody you got to pay attention to. 188 00:15:12,660 --> 00:15:14,463 That was it. 189 00:15:14,464 --> 00:15:16,234 One minute he was a celebrity. 190 00:15:16,235 --> 00:15:18,203 The next he was like. 191 00:15:18,204 --> 00:15:21,834 Well, no one really knew what it meant. 192 00:16:02,479 --> 00:16:05,448 I had no idea what he was going to do. 193 00:16:05,449 --> 00:16:08,187 You know, even as a kid, he was always the person 194 00:16:08,188 --> 00:16:11,388 who would take his own decisions without telling anybody. 195 00:16:11,389 --> 00:16:13,522 So this was pretty much like him. 196 00:16:13,523 --> 00:16:19,100 He also announces that he has a new name now, Warden. 197 00:16:19,463 --> 00:16:23,698 which means guardian. 198 00:16:25,601 --> 00:16:27,206 The superhero name. 199 00:16:27,207 --> 00:16:30,308 There’s always been something about violence. 200 00:16:30,309 --> 00:16:32,981 Even defensive, necessary violence 201 00:16:32,982 --> 00:16:37,183 that was recognized as so foreign to civilized life. 202 00:16:37,184 --> 00:16:39,218 The life of the town, the life of the family 203 00:16:39,219 --> 00:16:44,520 that our fighters have always had to assume a different persona. 204 00:16:44,521 --> 00:16:46,588 Whether it’s war paint or samurai masks 205 00:16:46,589 --> 00:16:50,823 or the codenames that our soldiers use when they talk to each other on the radio. 206 00:16:50,824 --> 00:16:56,302 When you’re in that world where life and death are on the line, 207 00:16:56,698 --> 00:17:00,866 you need to become someone else. 208 00:17:00,867 --> 00:17:06,982 And sometimes that someone is a truer you. 209 00:17:06,983 --> 00:17:08,115 Warden. 210 00:17:08,116 --> 00:17:09,842 Obviously, it’s an English word. 211 00:17:09,843 --> 00:17:12,449 It’s not a Portuguese word. 212 00:17:12,450 --> 00:17:14,715 Daniel had gotten to know some people, 213 00:17:14,716 --> 00:17:19,522 entertainment industry people, and they told him, you know, 214 00:17:19,523 --> 00:17:21,755 you might be working on a local level, but 215 00:17:21,756 --> 00:17:24,428 like it or not, you’re an international figure. 216 00:17:24,429 --> 00:17:28,961 You need people all over the world to hear one word 217 00:17:29,467 --> 00:17:31,600 and think of you. 218 00:17:31,601 --> 00:17:34,439 And he saw that, too. 219 00:17:35,836 --> 00:17:37,672 So Warden hits the scene. 220 00:17:37,673 --> 00:17:40,411 He’s shaking hands. He’s on patrol. 221 00:17:40,412 --> 00:17:41,676 And he quickly discovers something. 222 00:17:41,677 --> 00:17:46,450 He discovers that supervillains the "raison d’etre" to be a superhero. 223 00:17:46,451 --> 00:17:48,881 Well, we don’t really get a lot of those in a real world, 224 00:17:48,882 --> 00:17:52,951 what we do get in the real world, in the real criminal world, 225 00:17:52,952 --> 00:17:57,230 are a lot of ordinary people with an underdeveloped sense of empathy 226 00:17:57,231 --> 00:18:01,333 who are trying to find ways to to cheat, to take advantage, 227 00:18:01,334 --> 00:18:06,338 and sometimes use violence against those they perceive as targets. 228 00:18:06,339 --> 00:18:09,078 Not an evil genius masterplan, 229 00:18:09,573 --> 00:18:10,573 frankly, for that stuff. 230 00:18:10,574 --> 00:18:14,005 There’s not a whole lot that superhero can do that a normal can do. 231 00:18:14,006 --> 00:18:18,713 You know, you you learn the neighborhood, you meet the people you earn their trust. 232 00:18:18,714 --> 00:18:22,552 You develop good sources and you use data. 233 00:18:22,553 --> 00:18:23,883 That’s how you solve crimes. 234 00:18:23,884 --> 00:18:27,755 And the more crimes you solve, the more crimes you stop. 235 00:18:27,756 --> 00:18:32,331 I think his idea was more, I dare you try something on my watch. 236 00:18:32,332 --> 00:18:39,272 You always have the association of the superhero and the city with his city. 237 00:18:39,273 --> 00:18:41,736 Batman has Gotham. Superman has Metropolis. 238 00:18:41,737 --> 00:18:43,342 Green Lantern has Central City. 239 00:18:43,343 --> 00:18:46,873 Now, the comic book writers didn’t have to do that. 240 00:18:46,874 --> 00:18:49,810 It cost them just as much to draw Superman in Metropolis 241 00:18:49,811 --> 00:18:51,515 as it did to draw them on the moon. 242 00:18:51,516 --> 00:18:55,354 But there’s always been this sense that a superhero 243 00:18:55,355 --> 00:18:59,226 isn’t some distant figure watching us from Mount Olympus. 244 00:18:59,227 --> 00:19:01,955 They’re part of our community. 245 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,299 And Warden understood that. 246 00:19:46,472 --> 00:19:48,638 I worried about him in the beginning. 247 00:19:48,639 --> 00:19:50,035 You know, he was coming from a place 248 00:19:50,036 --> 00:19:53,038 where if he was in your life, it was as a celebrity. 249 00:19:53,039 --> 00:20:01,189 Like this professional lifesaver that the least controversial person imaginable. 250 00:20:01,190 --> 00:20:03,389 But how do you keep this up when your job 251 00:20:03,390 --> 00:20:08,659 is to make judgments about who’s a good guy and who’s a bad guy? 252 00:20:09,330 --> 00:20:13,124 If you’re not naturally the kind of person who craves attention 253 00:20:13,125 --> 00:20:18,404 and suddenly millions of people you’ve never met have opinions about you 254 00:20:18,405 --> 00:20:21,540 being under that microscope gets to you. 255 00:20:22,277 --> 00:20:26,313 I remember he told me about the first time 256 00:20:26,314 --> 00:20:30,142 he stopped a robbery, I think it was 257 00:20:30,252 --> 00:20:34,552 at a gas station, and the guy had stolen like 60 bucks. 258 00:20:34,553 --> 00:20:39,392 So he tackled the robber and the guy starts screaming, howling, 259 00:20:39,393 --> 00:20:43,056 like making noises that you’ve never heard in your life. 260 00:20:44,662 --> 00:20:47,995 And at some point, he looks at the guy and 261 00:20:48,435 --> 00:20:51,470 he sees that the guy is not well 262 00:20:51,471 --> 00:20:54,209 and he’s not armed or anything. 263 00:20:54,210 --> 00:20:57,872 And he was like, Is this who I’m fighting? 264 00:20:57,873 --> 00:21:00,380 So I think this was really tough for him. 265 00:21:00,381 --> 00:21:04,076 The problem was this was all legally very tenuous. 266 00:21:04,077 --> 00:21:07,013 He wasn’t the type of guy who wanted to read you your rights. 267 00:21:07,014 --> 00:21:11,556 He hadn’t been trained in the police department’s use of force standards. 268 00:21:11,557 --> 00:21:15,791 He was a superhero not some recruits with a rulebook. 269 00:21:15,792 --> 00:21:18,827 In my office, we got signals from certain judges that to them 270 00:21:18,828 --> 00:21:24,195 what one was doing was surveillance on private citizens without a warrant. 271 00:21:24,196 --> 00:21:27,166 It was an untenable situation. 272 00:21:28,409 --> 00:21:33,942 Warden had agreed to let some TV producers put a camera crew on him. 273 00:21:34,173 --> 00:21:36,174 That was how Brazilian Hero started. 274 00:21:36,175 --> 00:21:39,947 These were the people who thought up his new international name. 275 00:21:39,948 --> 00:21:42,818 So of course, they didn’t keep it in Brazil. 276 00:21:42,819 --> 00:21:49,660 Right away they packaged it as Our Hero and licensed it all around the world. 277 00:21:49,661 --> 00:21:52,058 It’s a massive hit. 278 00:21:52,059 --> 00:21:53,929 People call me a Warden. 279 00:21:54,501 --> 00:21:55,732 Ever since I was young, 280 00:21:55,733 --> 00:21:58,868 I’ve known I was a little different. 281 00:22:04,137 --> 00:22:08,481 I don’t think he loved having cameras around all the time, 282 00:22:08,482 --> 00:22:12,848 but he figured at least he could control the message. 283 00:22:12,849 --> 00:22:18,117 It also brought in a huge stream of revenue for Warden. 284 00:22:18,118 --> 00:22:24,860 It just cements him as this internationally beloved figure. 285 00:22:24,861 --> 00:22:29,634 So he’s coming in to millions of people’s homes every week, 286 00:22:29,635 --> 00:22:36,675 doing these heroic, basically magical things in front of the camera. 287 00:22:46,817 --> 00:22:50,688 Davi Lopes is the state representative that falls on that grenade 288 00:22:50,689 --> 00:22:54,219 and tries to act on some of the concerns coming from the police. 289 00:22:54,220 --> 00:23:00,699 The "OAB" the Order of Attorneys of Brazil and some members of the community 290 00:23:29,321 --> 00:23:33,126 Consequences. So this is really the first time 291 00:23:33,127 --> 00:23:36,965 that anyone’s had to wrestle with this question. 292 00:23:36,966 --> 00:23:40,265 Can you apply the law to a demi god? 293 00:23:40,266 --> 00:23:45,172 Can you arrest him? How? 294 00:23:45,678 --> 00:23:49,077 What kind of laws do we need? 295 00:23:49,682 --> 00:23:54,279 If you can’t just let him do whatever he wants. 296 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,721 Can you? 297 00:23:56,722 --> 00:23:58,987 The investigation. 298 00:23:58,988 --> 00:24:02,463 I think it really just changed the way he thought about things. 299 00:24:02,464 --> 00:24:05,961 You know, he saw what he did as a community service 300 00:24:05,962 --> 00:24:08,227 that, you know, everyone’s super hero. 301 00:24:08,228 --> 00:24:12,407 And then these politicians come along and treated him as a punching bag. 302 00:24:12,408 --> 00:24:14,299 He saw it as a game to them. 303 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:18,809 So that was the first time I actually saw him get frustrated. 304 00:24:18,810 --> 00:24:22,142 Well, it turned out investigating him was very unpopular. 305 00:24:22,143 --> 00:24:24,419 Warden wasn’t the guy handing speeding tickets. 306 00:24:24,420 --> 00:24:28,819 People were seeing him stopping awful, violent people every single day. 307 00:24:28,820 --> 00:24:32,252 And more importantly, they were seeing it on TV. 308 00:24:32,659 --> 00:24:34,825 You threatened to take that away from people. 309 00:24:34,826 --> 00:24:36,761 And, you know, you playing with fire. 310 00:24:36,762 --> 00:24:43,768 We forget the salience of the feeling of physical safety in politics. 311 00:24:43,769 --> 00:24:47,101 You know, in Brazil, people saw this reality. 312 00:24:47,102 --> 00:24:50,401 Tens of thousands of murders and rapes every year. 313 00:24:50,402 --> 00:24:54,449 And no matter who you are, your survival instincts kick in 314 00:24:54,450 --> 00:24:57,716 and you think my security first. 315 00:24:57,717 --> 00:24:59,311 Other people we’ll talk about later. 316 00:24:59,312 --> 00:25:02,721 And they said to the politicians, I don’t want to hear anything 317 00:25:02,722 --> 00:25:05,725 you have to say until you fix this. 318 00:25:06,385 --> 00:25:08,353 How can you keep me safe 319 00:25:08,354 --> 00:25:11,258 in my home, in my city? 320 00:25:11,632 --> 00:25:14,601 It was a top voting issue in the country. 321 00:25:14,602 --> 00:25:16,801 And so everybody acted. 322 00:25:16,802 --> 00:25:19,573 And if you’re Brazilian and you feel like the system is 323 00:25:19,574 --> 00:25:24,809 sacrificing your safety for some abstract concept like due process, 324 00:25:24,810 --> 00:25:28,582 you get that lizard brain reaction, 325 00:25:28,583 --> 00:25:31,585 you’re making me unsafe 326 00:25:31,586 --> 00:25:34,116 and you get fed up. 327 00:25:36,723 --> 00:25:41,453 As it turns out, public opinion didn’t matter one way or the other. 328 00:25:46,194 --> 00:25:49,702 So this scandal breaks and it’s just the perfect 329 00:25:49,703 --> 00:25:54,840 stew of ingredients that get people actually interested in local news. 330 00:26:01,242 --> 00:26:03,882 He doesn’t stand a chance. 331 00:26:46,386 --> 00:26:50,862 Everybody, millions of people knew that he wasn’t happy with this investigation 332 00:26:50,863 --> 00:26:56,461 and that anything that would make Lopes’ life harder would be good for him. 333 00:26:56,462 --> 00:27:01,301 So it just took, you know, someone out there who decided they knew 334 00:27:01,302 --> 00:27:02,071 how to help. 335 00:27:02,072 --> 00:27:05,646 With Davi Lopes out of the way and his supporters silent. 336 00:27:05,647 --> 00:27:09,012 The coast was really clear for Warden to do things his way. 337 00:27:09,013 --> 00:27:11,311 The first time I thought 338 00:27:11,312 --> 00:27:13,544 maybe that feeling you’ve got to watch your back, 339 00:27:13,545 --> 00:27:18,627 that if you’re not on his side, something bad was going to happen. 340 00:27:19,793 --> 00:27:21,255 That’s what he wants. 341 00:27:21,256 --> 00:27:25,029 Maybe Warden is someone you’ve got to watch out for. 342 00:27:28,769 --> 00:27:32,838 What is the superhero way? 343 00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:34,433 To fight crime. 344 00:27:34,434 --> 00:27:36,974 And part of it’s about optics, right? 345 00:27:36,975 --> 00:27:40,274 The spectacle. Every arrest showcases 346 00:27:40,275 --> 00:27:44,443 that you’re faster, stronger, tougher than the bad guys. 347 00:27:44,444 --> 00:27:47,314 You maybe humiliate them. 348 00:27:47,315 --> 00:27:50,856 Part of the superheroes job is to be a moral force. 349 00:27:50,857 --> 00:27:55,355 You’re embodying in one person the values of an entire community, 350 00:27:55,356 --> 00:28:00,591 and you’re delivering the smackdown that community wishes 351 00:28:00,592 --> 00:28:04,672 it could give to anyone or anything that threatens it. 352 00:28:04,673 --> 00:28:08,775 You’re saying our side, the side of order and righteous violence 353 00:28:08,776 --> 00:28:12,471 beats your side, the side of disorder and unrighteous violence. 354 00:28:12,472 --> 00:28:17,652 But what the superhero way really means is no rules. 355 00:28:17,653 --> 00:28:21,480 You have the heroes sense of morality and you trust it. 356 00:28:21,481 --> 00:28:26,089 But Warden isn’t, you know, filing an arrest report. 357 00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:27,057 And he’s certainly not going 358 00:28:27,058 --> 00:28:30,424 to show up in court to testify at the trial. 359 00:28:51,478 --> 00:28:57,286 I think people celebrated Warden because they made that connection. 360 00:28:57,891 --> 00:29:00,926 They realized he is us. 361 00:29:00,927 --> 00:29:05,392 This is what we would do if we had the power. 362 00:29:05,393 --> 00:29:09,462 The question is, where does that fit into the legal system? 363 00:29:09,463 --> 00:29:14,534 So you can see how things might be on a collision course. 364 00:29:17,042 --> 00:29:19,076 I don’t know how to explain it. 365 00:29:19,077 --> 00:29:21,881 It felt like he was himself again. 366 00:29:21,882 --> 00:29:25,049 You know, everybody had this idea of who he should be 367 00:29:25,050 --> 00:29:29,185 or what he should do or wanted something from him. 368 00:29:29,186 --> 00:29:34,058 And suddenly he felt like he could define himself. 369 00:29:34,059 --> 00:29:36,556 And he came alive. 370 00:29:36,831 --> 00:29:37,930 It was an amazing combination 371 00:29:37,931 --> 00:29:42,430 of the person I grew up with and the man I was getting to know. 372 00:29:43,739 --> 00:29:45,201 It had to be a secret, though. 373 00:29:45,202 --> 00:29:48,568 Obviously, he wanted to protect me. 374 00:29:57,313 --> 00:30:00,150 You sense this new confidence watching him. 375 00:30:00,151 --> 00:30:03,351 You know, the sex offender gets a hot shot to his crotch, 376 00:30:03,352 --> 00:30:07,454 the dope fiend gets hauled in with drugs all around him. 377 00:30:07,455 --> 00:30:09,324 He was showing his sense of humor. 378 00:30:09,325 --> 00:30:10,798 Let the punishment fit the crime. 379 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:14,428 So as you’d expect, everybody on the force gave him a wide lane. 380 00:30:14,429 --> 00:30:16,397 On the one hand that it was his popularity, 381 00:30:16,398 --> 00:30:20,907 you knew you’d be shouted down even before you opened your mouth. 382 00:30:20,908 --> 00:30:23,041 But there was also this intimidation factor. 383 00:30:23,042 --> 00:30:27,848 Every time he flexed his muscles and ran someone down, he was reminding you, 384 00:30:27,849 --> 00:30:30,708 I’m stronger than you. I’m faster than you. 385 00:30:30,709 --> 00:30:32,248 Essentially, I’m unstoppable. 386 00:30:32,249 --> 00:30:34,382 And he didn’t have to open his mouth. 387 00:30:34,383 --> 00:30:35,746 Warden never felt like the best 388 00:30:35,747 --> 00:30:39,585 use of his time was chasing drug pushers or any random street criminals. 389 00:30:39,586 --> 00:30:43,160 Here in Brazil, we say that’s like trying to dry ice. 390 00:30:43,161 --> 00:30:44,194 Even when he tries going 391 00:30:44,195 --> 00:30:47,362 after organized crime, he’s hitting the corner dealers, the triggerman, 392 00:30:47,363 --> 00:30:50,299 those street level guys go down, you’ve got another five 393 00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:52,070 replacing them in the next day. 394 00:30:52,071 --> 00:30:54,072 The fundamental problem stays. 395 00:30:54,073 --> 00:30:58,571 It’s clear Warden is starting to think if this is the best use of his abilities. 396 00:30:58,572 --> 00:31:02,982 But this time there are people around Warden who have very strong ideas 397 00:31:02,983 --> 00:31:08,252 about what problems need to be solved and they have his attention. 398 00:31:09,352 --> 00:31:10,187 Warden had these 399 00:31:10,188 --> 00:31:13,421 relationships with the Nova Sao Paulo business community. 400 00:31:13,422 --> 00:31:17,590 The idea was since Warden didn’t want to get paid by the government, 401 00:31:17,591 --> 00:31:21,792 they make donations to support his new Justice Initiative operation. 402 00:31:21,793 --> 00:31:25,268 There were a few examples where a company would bring him 403 00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:28,338 in to give a lecture to their employees. 404 00:33:16,611 --> 00:33:20,020 All of a sudden, Warden was making these huge arrests. 405 00:33:20,021 --> 00:33:24,486 Was white collar, financial crime, criminal leaders, even politicians. 406 00:33:24,487 --> 00:33:27,852 All the people that you thought were untouchable. Falling like dominoes. 407 00:33:27,853 --> 00:33:32,626 They would show up at the courthouse, essentially gift wrapped with evidence 408 00:33:32,627 --> 00:33:38,137 for the prosecutors to make their cases and cameras to get the public exciting. 409 00:33:38,138 --> 00:33:40,535 None of the evidence would hold up in court 410 00:33:40,536 --> 00:33:46,178 because it was collected extrajudicially and violated due process 411 00:33:46,179 --> 00:33:48,774 that only made Warden more popular. 412 00:33:48,775 --> 00:33:51,381 The defense lawyers weren’t happy. 413 00:33:51,382 --> 00:33:53,944 The civil liberties groups cried bloody murder. But 414 00:33:53,945 --> 00:33:59,786 when the courts had to let these criminal big shots go free on technicalities 415 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,557 that made Warden the hero 416 00:34:02,558 --> 00:34:05,263 and the legal system the villain. 417 00:34:05,264 --> 00:34:09,663 He was saying, You’ve all complained about this for years now. 418 00:34:09,664 --> 00:34:13,767 Everybody stand back whilst I do something about it. 419 00:34:20,180 --> 00:34:21,675 It’s an iron law 420 00:34:21,676 --> 00:34:24,547 in all times, in all places. 421 00:34:25,383 --> 00:34:27,747 It’s extremely unwise 422 00:34:27,748 --> 00:34:31,784 to be rich and not befriend the authorities. 423 00:34:31,785 --> 00:34:35,293 Now, whenever you have one of these anti-corruption campaigns 424 00:34:35,294 --> 00:34:39,825 led by one person, one savior who’s all about cracking down, 425 00:34:39,826 --> 00:34:40,859 all about putting that villain 426 00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:44,929 or handful of villains on stage for the public to hate 427 00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:46,964 without passing laws 428 00:34:46,965 --> 00:34:51,969 that change the incentives that create the corruption in the first place. 429 00:34:51,970 --> 00:34:56,006 What you have is not an anti-corruption campaign. 430 00:34:56,007 --> 00:35:01,650 What you have is a pro your friends corruption campaign. 431 00:35:02,486 --> 00:35:06,094 Write it down. Take it to the bank. 432 00:35:06,490 --> 00:35:08,953 Every time. 433 00:35:08,954 --> 00:35:09,921 You talk to him by then 434 00:35:09,922 --> 00:35:14,200 And it was millions of ideas all the time, like green speedways, 435 00:35:14,201 --> 00:35:17,500 bust these criminals disaster response system. 436 00:35:17,501 --> 00:35:20,272 He said his eyes were opening to the world. 437 00:35:20,273 --> 00:35:22,901 It was good to be with someone that cared so much. 438 00:35:22,902 --> 00:35:28,611 You know, he really thought he really believed that he could change the world. 439 00:35:29,117 --> 00:35:33,715 And the more his plans grew, the more the organization grew. 440 00:35:36,718 --> 00:35:39,852 He had the lawyers had the digital forensic team. 441 00:35:39,853 --> 00:35:42,195 He had the liaison to handle business with the city. 442 00:35:42,196 --> 00:35:47,024 He had the PR guy, all of them recommendation from his business friends, 443 00:35:47,025 --> 00:35:47,959 for what it’s worth. 444 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,303 The smart businesses started to make contributions 445 00:35:51,304 --> 00:35:53,998 to his justice initiative straight away. 446 00:35:53,999 --> 00:35:57,672 And there’s a subtext to those payments. 447 00:35:57,673 --> 00:35:58,574 It’s not settle. 448 00:35:58,575 --> 00:36:02,073 It’s maybe don’t look so closely at me. 449 00:36:15,295 --> 00:36:18,561 The buildings collapsed right at sunrise. 450 00:36:18,562 --> 00:36:21,301 I’d say that was the next phase. 451 00:36:29,276 --> 00:36:31,706 You know it was just this 452 00:36:31,707 --> 00:36:36,106 big empty eye sore that the owners wanted to replace 453 00:36:36,107 --> 00:36:38,383 with this city of tomorrow. 454 00:36:38,384 --> 00:36:42,222 And the City has just tied them up in court for years. 455 00:36:42,223 --> 00:36:44,950 citing historical preservation of the site. 456 00:36:44,951 --> 00:36:47,557 And it turns out that the owners had 457 00:36:47,558 --> 00:36:50,428 become big donors to Warden’s Justice Initiative. 458 00:36:50,429 --> 00:36:54,168 So when the buildings come down, it looks like pretty clear 459 00:36:54,169 --> 00:36:58,172 that there’s one group that has a financial stake in this 460 00:36:58,173 --> 00:37:01,374 and one person who could have done it for them. 461 00:37:02,133 --> 00:37:03,133 You know, you have this 462 00:37:03,134 --> 00:37:07,104 unauthorized demolition, this explosion in a residential area. 463 00:37:07,105 --> 00:37:11,515 You’re going around the courts, around the whole legal process. 464 00:37:11,516 --> 00:37:12,714 You have people in the neighborhood 465 00:37:12,715 --> 00:37:16,421 getting sick from the chemicals this puts into the air. 466 00:37:16,422 --> 00:37:21,822 Most of us look to the State Attorney General, Romeu Filho. 467 00:37:21,823 --> 00:37:25,332 Everyone’s waiting to see what he does 468 00:37:26,927 --> 00:37:29,028 and he does nothing. 469 00:37:35,133 --> 00:37:38,806 So if you’re keeping score, the people 470 00:37:38,807 --> 00:37:43,317 who go around the law: Warden and the owners. 471 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:44,713 No charges against them. 472 00:37:44,714 --> 00:37:51,225 The people who call out the people who break the law, they get investigated. 473 00:37:51,226 --> 00:37:54,757 For me, that was "what the fuck" moment. 474 00:37:55,021 --> 00:37:56,461 I think anyone who reviewed the suits 475 00:37:56,462 --> 00:38:00,894 that the city filed to prevent the demolition as I had. 476 00:38:00,895 --> 00:38:03,765 Found them to be in bad faith and without merit. 477 00:38:03,766 --> 00:38:08,638 More than that, it’s important to remember that our whole legal system exists 478 00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:12,246 as a channel for the people’s sense of justice and fairness. 479 00:38:12,247 --> 00:38:16,173 And when courts have thwarten what people understand to be justice, 480 00:38:16,174 --> 00:38:21,113 when they’re undermining the public’s confidence that the system works, 481 00:38:21,454 --> 00:38:23,951 then you have a problem. 482 00:39:02,396 --> 00:39:03,594 Whatis the justice system for? 483 00:39:03,595 --> 00:39:07,961 If you can imagine the tribe of early humans coming back from a mammoth hunts. 484 00:39:07,962 --> 00:39:11,932 Yeah, they discover that somebody has committed a murder. 485 00:39:11,933 --> 00:39:17,311 The entire society is rattled in its anger and vendettas and distrust, 486 00:39:17,312 --> 00:39:20,644 and you need domestic order to be restored. 487 00:39:20,645 --> 00:39:25,418 That’s what the job of the law is, to be our collective retribution. 488 00:39:25,419 --> 00:39:29,587 When you look at our system today, it’s gotten so complex and so far removed 489 00:39:29,588 --> 00:39:36,188 from that basic, original purpose that bad actors know they can exploit it. 490 00:39:36,287 --> 00:39:38,222 The demolition case. 491 00:39:38,223 --> 00:39:41,060 They were just a small example, and Warden helped people 492 00:39:41,061 --> 00:39:45,339 see how they were standing in the way of the public interest. 493 00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:47,836 And that paved all the work we did. 494 00:39:47,837 --> 00:39:49,343 And I think that’s a great thing. 495 00:39:49,344 --> 00:39:52,544 And that was essentially the way things were going to go. 496 00:39:52,545 --> 00:39:54,073 Warden would play the wrecking ball, 497 00:39:54,074 --> 00:39:58,946 Romeu Filho would play the legal bodyguard, and their friends would play by 498 00:39:58,947 --> 00:40:00,453 their own rules. 499 00:40:00,454 --> 00:40:02,147 Now, if you’re a reasonable 500 00:40:02,148 --> 00:40:08,319 person or a reasonable business, you would look at that situation and say, 501 00:40:08,594 --> 00:40:11,090 I want to be Warden’s friend. 502 00:40:11,091 --> 00:40:14,258 You started seeing changes right away. 503 00:40:14,259 --> 00:40:17,371 There’s a wave of construction. The streets were cleaner. 504 00:40:17,372 --> 00:40:21,233 You’re talking to people. They are telling you they feel safer. 505 00:40:36,281 --> 00:40:37,985 It’s all a powerful statement. 506 00:40:37,986 --> 00:40:40,922 You know, you have one person standing 507 00:40:40,923 --> 00:40:47,567 against all the old, creaky bureaucracy and red tape and he’s winning. 508 00:40:47,732 --> 00:40:50,834 So people pay attention to that. 509 00:41:03,583 --> 00:41:04,880 Thank you and thanks, guys. 510 00:41:04,881 --> 00:41:09,115 In a very short term, we’ve had some huge changes in Sao Paulo. 511 00:41:09,116 --> 00:41:12,756 We’ve seen some landmark arrests, which I think perhaps the very best 512 00:41:12,757 --> 00:41:17,255 investigators in your country will be just a little bit jealous of you. 513 00:41:17,256 --> 00:41:21,699 Yeah. You know, hopefully most of us don’t have enemies. 514 00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:23,503 And I know I didn’t when I was younger. 515 00:41:23,504 --> 00:41:28,101 But now when you start doing things that impact a lot of people, 516 00:41:28,102 --> 00:41:30,708 the enemies you make tell you a lot about who you are. 517 00:41:30,709 --> 00:41:35,977 So back when you started, there were some doubts, right? 518 00:41:35,978 --> 00:41:39,552 Were there? I hadn’t heard. Okay. 519 00:41:39,553 --> 00:41:41,114 So that’s news to you. I know. 520 00:41:41,115 --> 00:41:43,985 At this point you’d hear things unofficially. 521 00:41:43,986 --> 00:41:49,386 Police chief gets advice to drop an investigation, journalist gets a story 522 00:41:49,387 --> 00:41:54,325 killed, a prosecutor gets reassigned, but nothing illegal. 523 00:41:54,326 --> 00:41:58,934 And nobody can come forward because they will know that somewhere 524 00:41:58,935 --> 00:42:02,971 along the chain of things that are there to stop bad things from happening. 525 00:42:02,972 --> 00:42:10,408 There’s going to be someone who’s afraid, corrupt or just plain not on their side. 526 00:42:45,014 --> 00:42:48,687 Everything. All the criticism that I’ve heard of what I’m doing, it 527 00:42:48,688 --> 00:42:52,691 basically boils down to, well, what about the system? 528 00:42:52,692 --> 00:42:54,253 Trust the system. 529 00:42:54,254 --> 00:42:58,632 The system wasn’t representing people. What I am. 530 00:43:06,134 --> 00:43:07,640 Now, at this point, 531 00:43:07,641 --> 00:43:10,104 if I’m Warden, I’m feeling pretty good. 532 00:43:10,105 --> 00:43:12,403 I got these circles of protection around me. 533 00:43:12,404 --> 00:43:17,243 So there’s the real one, which is the politicians and the businessmen 534 00:43:17,244 --> 00:43:18,442 and the courts and the press people 535 00:43:18,443 --> 00:43:20,411 who are all letting Warden make his own rules. 536 00:43:20,412 --> 00:43:25,856 Then there’s the people who’ve decided, I’m for them, I’m their champion, 537 00:43:25,857 --> 00:43:29,354 and if I’m doing something dicey, they don’t even want to hear about it. 538 00:43:29,355 --> 00:43:32,797 The feeling that Warden stoked in us. 539 00:43:32,798 --> 00:43:36,460 It was ancient. It’s been with humans since the beginning. 540 00:43:36,461 --> 00:43:40,497 He was the demigod who held the world on his shoulders. 541 00:43:40,498 --> 00:43:45,073 He was the folk hero who went around the law to deliver justice 542 00:43:45,074 --> 00:43:48,582 and stick his thumb in the eyes of the powerful people. 543 00:43:48,583 --> 00:43:52,751 Someone like that, even when they’re fundamentally different from us. 544 00:43:52,752 --> 00:43:56,217 There’s this feeling that he is us. 545 00:43:56,657 --> 00:43:58,086 His struggles are our 546 00:43:58,087 --> 00:44:01,188 struggles and his enemies are our enemies. 547 00:44:01,189 --> 00:44:05,995 You know, every day it would be the rescues, the show, the handshake, 548 00:44:05,996 --> 00:44:11,770 the strategy session next week, next quarter, next targeted, next project. 549 00:44:11,771 --> 00:44:15,103 It’s hard to compete with that. 550 00:44:15,104 --> 00:44:16,841 You know, people felt connected to him. 551 00:44:16,842 --> 00:44:20,075 So I’m going into this with my eyes wide opened. 552 00:44:20,076 --> 00:44:25,279 And I decided to ask him if we could be officially out dating. 553 00:44:25,851 --> 00:44:31,087 And next day, his team calls me into his office. 554 00:44:31,450 --> 00:44:37,323 And there’s everyone lawyers, consultants, managers. 555 00:44:37,324 --> 00:44:42,835 And they all agreed that being out dating would be the worst thing possible. 556 00:44:43,968 --> 00:44:46,806 For me, obviously 557 00:45:31,345 --> 00:45:35,084 the more the time passed, the bigger he got and the more 558 00:45:35,085 --> 00:45:42,355 the distance between the public figure and the man would disappear. 559 00:45:42,356 --> 00:45:48,768 There’s a sense in which a superhero is just another kind of celebrity, 560 00:45:48,769 --> 00:45:53,597 and what celebrities and powerful people are really good at is creating 561 00:45:53,598 --> 00:45:59,339 these hermetically sealed universes where everyone loves you. 562 00:45:59,340 --> 00:46:01,847 And all the news is good news. 563 00:46:01,848 --> 00:46:05,312 In Warden’s case, you take that celebrity bubble 564 00:46:05,313 --> 00:46:08,249 and you add years of reading about superheroes 565 00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:12,286 and their promises of power and hyper competency. 566 00:46:12,287 --> 00:46:14,926 And you’ve got someone whose life hasn’t 567 00:46:14,927 --> 00:46:18,556 exactly been primed for committed relationships. 568 00:46:18,557 --> 00:46:20,459 So how come there’s only one of you? 569 00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:24,166 I would have thought if we’d looked into your story of origin. 570 00:46:24,167 --> 00:46:28,038 We’d been cranking out at least a dozen more of you superheroes. 571 00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:33,209 Yeah, well, how do you know you wouldn’t get a super villain? 572 00:46:47,795 --> 00:46:51,688 The show’s ratings were still strong and getting stronger. 573 00:46:51,689 --> 00:46:54,361 People want to know everything about him. 574 00:46:54,362 --> 00:46:57,562 You have gossip sites paying thousands of dollars 575 00:46:57,563 --> 00:47:02,402 for any whiff of information about who might be involved with Warden 576 00:47:02,403 --> 00:47:08,606 who went to lunch with him, who was seen leaving his apartment last night. 577 00:47:08,607 --> 00:47:09,706 But it was like a mirage. 578 00:47:09,707 --> 00:47:14,822 Any time you go too close to one of these stories, it would disappear. 579 00:47:15,746 --> 00:47:18,825 I never told anyone about us. 580 00:47:18,826 --> 00:47:22,455 He called it "the plan", and I was all in on it. 581 00:47:22,456 --> 00:47:23,654 It was our future. 582 00:47:23,655 --> 00:47:28,934 But most of the time, I just felt like he was gone and he was actually gone. 583 00:47:28,935 --> 00:47:31,101 Like he would disappear for days. 584 00:47:31,102 --> 00:47:35,369 And when he’d show it up again, he’d apologize and apologize. 585 00:47:35,370 --> 00:47:38,669 Say how important everything he was doing was. 586 00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:42,981 Be romantic for a day, then get back to normal and then disappear again. 587 00:47:42,982 --> 00:47:48,316 There’s a very clear difference and everybody figure it out pretty quickly. 588 00:47:48,317 --> 00:47:51,187 Investigating Warden’s personal life is okay. 589 00:47:51,188 --> 00:47:53,585 He kind of dances with you. He likes the mystery 590 00:47:53,586 --> 00:47:57,028 investigating what was going on in Warden’s professional life. 591 00:47:57,029 --> 00:48:01,659 Some of the things the city was doing, that’s when you get the threats. 592 00:48:01,660 --> 00:48:05,631 How do you silence someone in the 21st century? 593 00:48:06,137 --> 00:48:08,908 It doesn’t look like the old way. 594 00:48:08,909 --> 00:48:13,737 As humans, we hunt for patterns, we’re told, all the time. 595 00:48:13,738 --> 00:48:15,915 History repeats itself, right? 596 00:48:15,916 --> 00:48:18,918 So we’re very good at spotting 597 00:48:18,919 --> 00:48:22,922 the last threat to a free society. 598 00:48:22,923 --> 00:48:24,418 Book burnings. Canceled elections. 599 00:48:24,419 --> 00:48:28,488 Thugs marching in the street. No way. You’re not going to slip that by us. 600 00:48:28,489 --> 00:48:32,063 But then we pour all our energy into convincing people 601 00:48:32,064 --> 00:48:36,232 that what we’re seeing now is just like the last thing. 602 00:48:36,233 --> 00:48:42,910 Problem is when people realize, no, it’s not just like the last thing 603 00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:45,307 they decide. It’s not worth worrying about. 604 00:48:45,308 --> 00:48:50,708 So what we’re not good at is spotting the next threat. 605 00:48:50,709 --> 00:48:55,284 These days, you don’t need thugs going around knocking on people’s doors. 606 00:48:55,285 --> 00:48:57,022 That’s inefficient. It’s ugly. 607 00:48:57,023 --> 00:48:58,991 You don’t need to say a word. You’re thugs. 608 00:48:58,992 --> 00:49:03,358 They don’t even have to be your thugs. 609 00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:05,393 And I’ll ask you one more question. 610 00:49:05,394 --> 00:49:07,934 Do you think about your limitations sometimes? 611 00:49:07,935 --> 00:49:11,630 Like there’s something you just can accomplish no matter how 612 00:49:11,631 --> 00:49:14,468 strong or fast you are? 613 00:49:14,469 --> 00:49:15,865 No. 614 00:49:15,866 --> 00:49:18,274 No? No. Because I’m 615 00:49:18,275 --> 00:49:23,708 the least important part of what’s happening in Nova Sao Paulo. 616 00:49:23,709 --> 00:49:26,315 It’s not about what I’ve done. 617 00:49:26,316 --> 00:49:28,988 Everything I’ve accomplished will vanish overnight. 618 00:49:28,989 --> 00:49:33,421 Without this movement, these thousands of people, 619 00:49:33,422 --> 00:49:38,096 good people who know the difference between right and wrong 620 00:49:38,097 --> 00:49:40,857 and want to fight hard to make this 621 00:49:40,858 --> 00:49:44,234 a better place for all of us to live. 622 00:49:44,235 --> 00:49:48,535 In a way, people embraced Warden for the same reason they embraced 623 00:49:48,536 --> 00:49:52,737 superheroes during other periods of high social anxiety. In the U.S, 624 00:49:52,738 --> 00:49:55,377 you had superheroes going to war for America in the 1940s, 625 00:49:55,378 --> 00:49:59,249 and then they were protecting us from nuclear weapons during the Cold War. 626 00:49:59,250 --> 00:50:00,349 And then we saw them deployed 627 00:50:00,350 --> 00:50:03,154 as guardians looking out for us after September the 11th. 628 00:50:03,155 --> 00:50:07,686 Now, I think during periods of declining trust in institutions 629 00:50:07,687 --> 00:50:12,526 and a sort of societal unwinding like what was happening in Brazil, 630 00:50:12,527 --> 00:50:18,302 Warden looked to a lot of people like the solution. 631 00:50:51,401 --> 00:50:57,241 It’s important to understand how police works in Brazil, there’s two types. 632 00:50:57,242 --> 00:50:59,111 The military police who are responsible 633 00:50:59,112 --> 00:51:03,973 for patrolling the streets, enforcing laws, and the civil police 634 00:51:03,974 --> 00:51:07,977 who are mostly responsible for investigating crime. 635 00:51:07,978 --> 00:51:10,980 One might catch a criminal in the act 636 00:51:10,981 --> 00:51:14,489 and take him to the other for arrest and investigation. 637 00:51:14,490 --> 00:51:20,297 So dividing the responsibilities that you might find in another country’s police department. 638 00:51:20,298 --> 00:51:26,205 But both sides answer to the state secretary of public security. 639 00:51:38,712 --> 00:51:41,120 There have been more complaints about Warden 640 00:51:41,121 --> 00:51:44,453 interfering with police work, costing them cases. 641 00:51:44,454 --> 00:51:48,688 So the Secretary of Public Security decided that he needed 642 00:51:48,689 --> 00:51:53,022 to get on the same page with Warden, and they need to get it in writing. 643 00:51:53,023 --> 00:51:58,567 So Warden’s people go, sure, here are our terms. 644 00:52:07,609 --> 00:52:11,315 His people didn’t explain it, didn’t try to convince anybody. 645 00:52:11,316 --> 00:52:15,749 It was just, here you go, take it or leave it. 646 00:52:26,397 --> 00:52:29,993 And none of that mattered when Warden wanted to get rid of him. 647 00:52:29,994 --> 00:52:35,933 If Warden was against someone, it didn’t matter what his supporters thought before. 648 00:52:35,934 --> 00:52:37,836 Suddenly everyone was in lockstep. 649 00:52:37,837 --> 00:52:40,036 It was just like with Davi Lopes. 650 00:52:40,037 --> 00:52:41,774 Warden’s concern. The concern of his team was 651 00:52:41,775 --> 00:52:45,976 that the Secretary became less interested in protecting the residents of this city 652 00:52:45,977 --> 00:52:50,486 and more interested in protecting himself and some shady interests. 653 00:52:50,487 --> 00:52:53,225 Warden’s position was that the Governor should appoint 654 00:52:53,226 --> 00:52:54,919 Michel Borba as the new Secretary. 655 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,494 Michel Borba was the head of the Cyber Crimes Unit, 656 00:52:58,495 --> 00:53:01,167 at the Warden’s Justice Initiative. 657 00:53:01,168 --> 00:53:02,234 And Warden’s 658 00:53:02,235 --> 00:53:04,434 argument, reasonably, was that 659 00:53:04,435 --> 00:53:06,667 his cybercrimes unit was pioneering the crime 660 00:53:06,668 --> 00:53:10,638 fighting technology that the police would use in the coming years. 661 00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:14,104 So why not put him in charge? It was simple. 662 00:53:20,550 --> 00:53:24,586 So now Warden is asking for a voice in the political process. 663 00:53:24,587 --> 00:53:25,752 A very large voice. 664 00:53:25,753 --> 00:53:28,117 And I can’t blame the governor for listening. 665 00:53:28,118 --> 00:53:31,659 How do you go up against the most popular personality in the world 666 00:53:31,660 --> 00:53:34,695 who, by the way, uses violence professionally? 667 00:53:34,696 --> 00:53:37,467 The newest move from Warden has raised alarm from critics 668 00:53:37,468 --> 00:53:42,374 who warn that Brazil’s justice system is bending to serve one man. 669 00:53:55,189 --> 00:53:59,049 At that point, I knew that if Warden wanted anything, 670 00:53:59,050 --> 00:54:00,623 he was going to get it. 671 00:54:19,411 --> 00:54:23,514 The 19th of June. 672 00:54:24,713 --> 00:54:27,616 Essentially the whole city coming together 673 00:54:27,617 --> 00:54:32,016 for a big party, was going to be bigger than the last carnival. 674 00:54:32,017 --> 00:54:34,987 But this was was Warden’s carnival. 675 00:54:35,757 --> 00:54:39,761 They were expecting hundreds and thousands of people. 676 00:54:42,467 --> 00:54:44,568 And then... 677 00:55:01,486 --> 00:55:05,457 I had never, ever seen him like he was that day. 678 00:55:08,592 --> 00:55:14,598 He said that he could feel himself losing control like he liked it when 679 00:55:15,027 --> 00:55:17,193 he killed that man. 680 00:55:17,194 --> 00:55:19,899 You couldn’t stop saying I did this. 681 00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:20,801 He came after me. 682 00:55:20,802 --> 00:55:24,311 He blamed himself and he said it would never happen again. 683 00:55:26,379 --> 00:55:27,907 It was a young man who several years earlier 684 00:55:27,908 --> 00:55:33,144 had been removed from the police after a series of disciplinary problems. 685 00:55:33,947 --> 00:55:38,457 He seemed to have developed some kind of obsession with Warden. 686 00:55:39,326 --> 00:55:42,889 He killed 33 people in less than 2 minutes 687 00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:46,091 before a thankfully Warden could stop him. 688 00:55:47,301 --> 00:55:50,259 Immediately, people were asking questions. 689 00:55:50,260 --> 00:55:57,200 You know, there had been murders under Warden’s watch, but this one was different. 690 00:55:57,201 --> 00:56:00,907 Mass shootings like these are not common in Brazil. 691 00:56:00,908 --> 00:56:03,943 And never on this scale and in broad daylight. 692 00:56:03,944 --> 00:56:06,177 The victims were families. 693 00:56:06,848 --> 00:56:09,455 Kids. 694 00:56:47,955 --> 00:56:51,056 There was a sense that Warden’s enemies were lurking everywhere. 695 00:56:51,057 --> 00:56:55,698 They were in corporate boardrooms, the local newsrooms, but especially 696 00:56:55,699 --> 00:57:02,903 they were in government, he was sure, and his supporters especially were sure. 697 00:57:02,904 --> 00:57:05,609 But this was their way, his enemies way of 698 00:57:05,610 --> 00:57:09,514 of shaking their confidence in him, the sense that he was protecting. 699 00:57:09,515 --> 00:57:15,179 And I’ll be honest with you, there was conspiracy theory from the other side 700 00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:18,424 that Warden had planned the attack 701 00:57:18,425 --> 00:57:19,458 as a false flag operation, 702 00:57:19,459 --> 00:57:23,892 and he would use that panic to unleash the next phase of 703 00:57:24,728 --> 00:57:27,192 whatever he wanted. 704 00:57:28,259 --> 00:57:30,436 I think a lot of the wilder claims that my office 705 00:57:30,437 --> 00:57:35,034 was giving credence to conspiracy theories and so on, even at the time, 706 00:57:35,035 --> 00:57:38,334 it was fairly clear that those claims were advanced by people 707 00:57:38,335 --> 00:57:42,206 with a political agenda who wanted to discredit the justice system. 708 00:57:42,207 --> 00:57:46,782 What I saw from the vantage of my office was a series of troubling connections. 709 00:57:46,783 --> 00:57:50,621 Now, those connections may not have amounted to anything, 710 00:57:50,622 --> 00:57:56,089 but I was obligated to pursue the truth wherever it took me. 711 00:57:57,189 --> 00:58:00,158 I don’t think he slept for a month. 712 00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:02,501 You know, he looked at the guy, the shooter, 713 00:58:02,502 --> 00:58:05,669 and he saw the whole system trying to defend itself. 714 00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:08,606 You know, like a disease body rejecting medicine. 715 00:58:08,607 --> 00:58:13,710 He said that he could finally understand how far they were willing to go 716 00:58:13,711 --> 00:58:17,175 and that he was going to fight back. 717 00:58:17,176 --> 00:58:18,980 Who benefits? 718 00:58:19,486 --> 00:58:20,585 Just smells funny. 719 00:58:20,586 --> 00:58:22,686 I’m just asking questions. 720 00:58:22,687 --> 00:58:24,754 Movies and TV and comic books 721 00:58:24,755 --> 00:58:30,155 have trained us for decades to look behind the scenes for the hidden hand. 722 00:58:30,156 --> 00:58:35,667 It just makes stories more interesting and it’s perfect for our brains, 723 00:58:36,195 --> 00:58:38,031 cause and effect patterns. 724 00:58:38,032 --> 00:58:43,102 If something happens, it’s because someone wanted it to happen. 725 00:58:43,103 --> 00:58:44,136 Randomness, coincidences. 726 00:58:44,137 --> 00:58:45,434 There’s nothing interesting about that. 727 00:58:45,435 --> 00:58:48,481 Oh, and if you don’t see the patterns, if you think a coincidence 728 00:58:48,482 --> 00:58:53,981 is just a coincidence, there’s an explanation for that. You’re a sheep. 729 00:58:53,982 --> 00:58:58,150 And I asked him how he felt about the whole thing. 730 00:58:58,151 --> 00:59:01,450 Did he actually think that these people were willing 731 00:59:01,451 --> 00:59:05,696 to kill women and children just to make him look bad? 732 00:59:05,697 --> 00:59:08,534 And he said, I was naive, like used to be. 733 00:59:08,535 --> 00:59:11,900 And I honestly didn’t know anything about corruption and I didn’t know 734 00:59:11,901 --> 00:59:17,543 how far people were willing to go just to, you know, stop change. 735 00:59:17,544 --> 00:59:22,549 He said that he needed to be ready to go as far as they were. 736 00:59:23,308 --> 00:59:26,344 That was a shift in him. 737 00:59:37,663 --> 00:59:39,961 The companies decided that they needed 738 00:59:39,962 --> 00:59:43,360 to signal that they were in the right side of the Warden issue. 739 00:59:43,361 --> 00:59:46,737 You saw the Warden sign in people’s profile pictures. 740 00:59:46,738 --> 00:59:49,674 You saw the resignations at different companies. 741 00:59:49,675 --> 00:59:52,579 You could feel the temperature rising. 742 01:01:31,744 --> 01:01:35,109 In these circles, there was this feeling 743 01:01:35,110 --> 01:01:39,047 that the walls were closing in on the bad guys. 744 01:01:39,048 --> 01:01:41,610 And it kept everything at this fever pitch. 745 01:01:41,611 --> 01:01:46,318 There were these incidents where teachers, middle school or high school teachers 746 01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:51,125 would say something that sounded skeptical of Warden 747 01:01:51,126 --> 01:01:54,700 or some of the actions he seemed to be endorsing. 748 01:01:54,701 --> 01:01:56,933 And some student would hear it posted on 749 01:01:56,934 --> 01:02:01,774 social media and there would be a wave of harassment. 750 01:02:02,203 --> 01:02:03,071 See, the Internet 751 01:02:03,072 --> 01:02:06,437 was the perfect hothouse for these things to grow in. 752 01:02:06,438 --> 01:02:09,682 Some of those teachers had to leave the city. 753 01:02:09,683 --> 01:02:15,051 I can tell you the city felt tense in a way I’d never experienced before. 754 01:02:15,447 --> 01:02:18,757 One day you’ll see Warden walking down, shaking hands 755 01:02:18,758 --> 01:02:22,761 and talking about how we’re all cleaning this place up. 756 01:02:22,762 --> 01:02:26,226 The next day, you’d see them fighting wildfires or rescuing people 757 01:02:26,227 --> 01:02:30,428 in mudslides, just in case you forgot what he could do to you 758 01:02:30,429 --> 01:02:34,037 if you didn’t get with the program. 759 01:02:37,601 --> 01:02:39,778 So at this time, every time you talk to him, 760 01:02:39,779 --> 01:02:44,948 it would be about his enemies, his enemies in this radio station 761 01:02:44,949 --> 01:02:49,349 or, you know, the office that’s working against him and. 762 01:02:49,756 --> 01:02:51,647 I really wanted to be on his side. 763 01:02:51,648 --> 01:02:56,388 You know, I really wanted our relationship to be something apart from all of this. 764 01:02:56,389 --> 01:02:59,391 And it was actually the point of keeping it a secret. 765 01:02:59,392 --> 01:03:01,800 But at this point, I just feel like he’s testing me. 766 01:03:01,801 --> 01:03:06,531 He’d want to see my phone. He’d want to know who I was talking to. 767 01:03:07,741 --> 01:03:08,631 And at some point 768 01:03:08,632 --> 01:03:12,041 in the streets I started noticing some people following me. 769 01:03:12,042 --> 01:03:15,672 So I went back home and I asked him 770 01:03:16,442 --> 01:03:20,512 and he said, Yes, it’s for your own safety. 771 01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:24,317 That was the limit for me. 772 01:03:24,318 --> 01:03:28,860 I told him he was turning into someone I didn’t know and that he really needed 773 01:03:28,861 --> 01:03:31,555 to think if he wanted to keep going on a path 774 01:03:31,556 --> 01:03:37,561 that was making him so unhappy in that I definitely wasn’t going with him 775 01:03:37,562 --> 01:03:41,698 and I didn’t really see myself anywhere in here. 776 01:03:41,808 --> 01:03:44,040 I always think it’s ironic that when you have a leader 777 01:03:44,041 --> 01:03:49,980 who sees plotters and coups everywhere, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. 778 01:03:49,981 --> 01:03:51,014 And the more they lash out 779 01:03:51,015 --> 01:03:54,887 at their imaginary enemies, the more real enemies they make. 780 01:04:09,066 --> 01:04:11,001 I had been talking to Davi on background 781 01:04:11,002 --> 01:04:15,632 and I told him about this conversation I had with a police officer. 782 01:04:15,633 --> 01:04:20,011 He’d gotten a call and gone to the scene. 783 01:04:21,243 --> 01:04:24,443 The suspect essentially 784 01:04:24,444 --> 01:04:28,546 it been what I would describe as tortured and killed by Warden. 785 01:04:28,547 --> 01:04:34,651 But the officer decides to investigate a little further and he realizes 786 01:04:34,652 --> 01:04:36,829 and he has the proof 787 01:04:36,830 --> 01:04:39,755 that Warden got the wrong guy. 788 01:04:39,756 --> 01:04:43,463 It tortured and killed an innocent man. 789 01:04:44,871 --> 01:04:49,370 It’s just. Beyond words. 790 01:04:50,008 --> 01:04:51,800 So the officer, you know, 791 01:04:51,801 --> 01:04:54,704 does the paperwork, files the report 792 01:04:54,705 --> 01:04:59,853 and his boss tells him to destroy all the evidence. 793 01:05:00,117 --> 01:05:01,920 So he goes to his boss. His boss and. 794 01:05:01,921 --> 01:05:07,860 And what they on this guy’s table is a photo of him shaking hands with Warden. 795 01:05:07,861 --> 01:05:13,867 So the officer takes one look at that photo and decides 796 01:05:13,966 --> 01:05:17,365 it’s clearly not safe for me to know what I know. 797 01:05:18,971 --> 01:05:20,301 So I’m going to shut up. 798 01:05:20,302 --> 01:05:23,535 It wasn’t just police officers that were starting to talk. 799 01:05:23,536 --> 01:05:28,804 It was like a handful of people in the State Attorney General’s office, 800 01:05:28,805 --> 01:05:35,383 a handful of people in the courts, a few teachers, a bunch of journalists. 801 01:05:37,121 --> 01:05:39,848 At this point, everyone is communicating separately. 802 01:05:39,849 --> 01:05:44,688 There’s this feeling of paranoia that if the wrong person 803 01:05:44,689 --> 01:05:49,198 gets wind of this, something terrible could happen to you. 804 01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:50,903 It’s called the coordination problem. 805 01:05:50,904 --> 01:05:55,534 Nobody wants to be the soldier that jumps out of a trench and gets gunned down. 806 01:05:55,535 --> 01:05:57,635 But if everybody jumps out at the same time, 807 01:05:57,636 --> 01:06:00,803 there’s a decent chance that some of them will make it to the target. 808 01:06:00,804 --> 01:06:06,116 The problem is, how do you know anybody’s going to jump out with you, 809 01:06:06,117 --> 01:06:10,550 especially when you don’t even know who else is in the trench? 810 01:06:21,198 --> 01:06:24,431 After I told Davi about this story. 811 01:06:24,432 --> 01:06:29,535 He said to me, You know, there are other people who had similar stories. 812 01:06:29,536 --> 01:06:32,109 I said, How many? 813 01:06:32,110 --> 01:06:33,947 There were a lot. 814 01:06:34,706 --> 01:06:35,640 He showed me a video, 815 01:06:35,641 --> 01:06:40,513 something the Brazilian Hero producers tried to bury. 816 01:06:40,514 --> 01:06:45,222 There’s a man and he’s taunting Warden 817 01:06:45,552 --> 01:06:50,590 and Warden just snapped. Killed him. 818 01:06:55,892 --> 01:06:59,236 I felt sick. 819 01:07:10,709 --> 01:07:14,811 So I guess you could say I’m getting used to this superhero thing. 820 01:07:14,812 --> 01:07:18,782 I’ve stopped some bad guys and helped to fix my hometown, 821 01:07:18,783 --> 01:07:21,994 and I’ve learned more about my powers. 822 01:07:21,995 --> 01:07:26,691 More importantly, I’ve gotten to connect with people. Still. 823 01:07:26,692 --> 01:07:30,794 It’s a funny thing being called a superhero all the time. 824 01:07:30,795 --> 01:07:34,436 Maybe this is the year when everything changes. 825 01:07:43,214 --> 01:07:46,645 I was in the front yard when my wife called out to me. 826 01:07:46,646 --> 01:07:48,581 Turn the news on. 827 01:07:48,582 --> 01:07:49,714 And I thought, oh, shit. 828 01:07:49,715 --> 01:07:52,684 Disturbing images emerging today from what sources 829 01:07:52,685 --> 01:07:54,917 and the prosecutor’s office in Nova, Sao Paulo 830 01:07:54,918 --> 01:07:59,857 say was an act of brutality carried out by Warden. 831 01:08:14,146 --> 01:08:19,844 Guard the skeletons in Warden’s closet, Literally and figuratively. 832 01:08:25,421 --> 01:08:29,160 I walked away that morning. 833 01:08:29,161 --> 01:08:30,524 You know, it comes to a point where 834 01:08:30,525 --> 01:08:34,198 the whole thing that you’ve constructed, something gets inside 835 01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:37,927 and it’s just really easy to tear the whole thing down. 836 01:08:37,928 --> 01:08:41,832 He had been calling me and texting me the whole day, but I wasn’t answering. 837 01:08:41,833 --> 01:08:46,540 So he showed up at my apartment, just furious that these people for, 838 01:08:46,541 --> 01:08:51,579 you know, try and destroy him and at me for being on their side. 839 01:08:52,382 --> 01:08:56,715 And I told him I was done and he didn’t like that. 840 01:08:56,716 --> 01:09:01,456 And honestly, that was. Scary. 841 01:09:01,457 --> 01:09:04,888 He said that there were people trying to hurt me, that he was 842 01:09:04,889 --> 01:09:07,660 the only one keeping me safe 843 01:09:07,661 --> 01:09:11,863 and I wasn’t saying anything. I was done. 844 01:09:12,501 --> 01:09:14,568 So he got really quiet 845 01:09:14,569 --> 01:09:18,474 and he said, You’re not a part of this anymore. 846 01:09:18,804 --> 01:09:21,741 And then he just left. 847 01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,412 Reports from Brazil that Warden has left 848 01:09:23,413 --> 01:09:27,911 Nova Sao Paulo amid a wave of explosive allegations in recent days. 849 01:09:27,912 --> 01:09:31,123 We knew immediately that this was the product of a sophisticated 850 01:09:31,124 --> 01:09:37,086 media operation and there was really no effort to hide it or hide the agenda. 851 01:09:38,362 --> 01:09:44,202 I think that people from Nova Sao Paulo saw right through it. I really do. 852 01:09:44,203 --> 01:09:47,965 But the national media has its own imperatives. Right? 853 01:09:48,372 --> 01:09:50,242 And they smell the story. 854 01:12:28,092 --> 01:12:34,405 7:14 a.m... A search warrant was issued for the Justice Initiative Building. 855 01:12:34,406 --> 01:12:38,772 At 7:20, the military police deployed its forces to 856 01:12:38,773 --> 01:12:41,677 Sao Paulo to take him into custody. 857 01:13:58,523 --> 01:14:02,152 The police had assembled their forces along a two kilometer 858 01:14:02,153 --> 01:14:06,431 perimeter around a building sort of sending a message like, 859 01:14:06,432 --> 01:14:10,227 look, we are serious, but we don’t have to do this. 860 01:14:11,899 --> 01:14:13,504 That’s when Warden showed up. 861 01:14:13,505 --> 01:14:18,609 This was the first time anybody had seen him since the story came out, 862 01:15:36,346 --> 01:15:38,083 In his mind. 863 01:15:38,084 --> 01:15:40,690 This is the ultimate battle, 864 01:15:40,691 --> 01:15:42,285 good versus evil. 865 01:15:42,286 --> 01:15:44,793 He’s defending his city. 866 01:15:44,794 --> 01:15:47,323 This is what superheroes do. 867 01:15:47,324 --> 01:15:51,800 The police basic doctrine was we acknowledge 868 01:15:51,801 --> 01:15:56,970 that any one officer, any hundred is no match for Warden. 869 01:15:56,971 --> 01:15:58,367 But he can’t be everywhere at once. 870 01:15:58,368 --> 01:16:02,107 So we’re going to advance and presume that he is not going 871 01:16:02,108 --> 01:16:07,013 to start a bloodbath with thousands of civilian lives on the line. 872 01:16:07,014 --> 01:16:10,556 And we’re going to dare him to fire the first shot. 873 01:16:11,821 --> 01:16:13,383 He accepted. 874 01:16:16,628 --> 01:16:17,661 I didn’t think 875 01:16:17,662 --> 01:16:20,532 whether it was safe from the studio. 876 01:16:20,533 --> 01:16:25,834 It was just these words repeating over and over "just get through it". 877 01:16:25,835 --> 01:16:27,198 "just get through it" 878 01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:29,970 It takes 2 hours for the Army to take the first block. 879 01:16:29,971 --> 01:16:31,939 Fighting continues to rage in Nova Sao Paulo. 880 01:16:31,940 --> 01:16:37,583 Well, after dark, the White House issuing a statement urging all sides. 881 01:16:38,276 --> 01:16:39,815 It was taking its toll. 882 01:16:39,816 --> 01:16:42,444 A big toll was police against civilians. 883 01:16:42,445 --> 01:16:46,481 Warden was doing damage but trying to avoid a body count. 884 01:16:46,482 --> 01:16:50,562 Shocking images of violence in the streets of Nova Sao Paulo as residents 885 01:16:50,563 --> 01:16:54,830 gathered as an act of protest that appears to have descended into violence. 886 01:16:54,831 --> 01:16:56,458 This brawl. 887 01:16:56,459 --> 01:17:00,034 People in masks just tearing into each other. 888 01:17:08,977 --> 01:17:10,714 As bad as it was for the police. 889 01:17:10,715 --> 01:17:13,684 They’re taking territory, they’re holding it, 890 01:17:13,685 --> 01:17:16,148 and they’re pacifying the civilian population. 891 01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:20,218 Finally that evening, they have a tight cordon around Warden’s 892 01:17:20,219 --> 01:17:24,761 building and more police units mobilizing. 893 01:17:24,762 --> 01:17:26,290 He’s surrounded. 894 01:17:26,291 --> 01:17:27,632 He’s not going anywhere. 895 01:17:27,633 --> 01:17:30,162 Now, this is the dilemma. 896 01:17:30,163 --> 01:17:32,428 There’s only one way into that building. 897 01:17:32,429 --> 01:17:37,499 And the police know that they’re not going in there without losing 898 01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:40,909 hundreds of troops and possibly more civilians. 899 01:17:40,910 --> 01:17:45,650 They’re not going to be able to arrest Warden. It’s a siege. 900 01:17:45,651 --> 01:17:48,951 And the plan was to see how far Warden would go. 901 01:17:54,484 --> 01:17:57,057 And now you’ve got pressure on the Governor. 902 01:17:57,058 --> 01:17:58,520 You’ve got the President calling. 903 01:17:58,521 --> 01:18:01,963 You’ve got casualties, damage in the water and power 904 01:18:01,964 --> 01:18:06,000 supplies, the possibility of unrest in other cities. 905 01:18:06,001 --> 01:18:08,464 Everything is pushing toward a fast resolution. 906 01:18:08,465 --> 01:18:14,107 And I think it occurred to a lot of people, especially around Warden, 907 01:18:14,108 --> 01:18:17,110 that times like these times of crisis 908 01:18:17,111 --> 01:18:21,378 are when you get to make the big changes to your wish list. 909 01:18:21,379 --> 01:18:22,753 Warden did his part 910 01:18:22,754 --> 01:18:26,350 and he faced those policemen, thousands of them, outside his building, 911 01:18:26,351 --> 01:18:30,552 and he made it clear that he wasn’t going to abandon his city. 912 01:18:30,553 --> 01:18:34,325 My job was to make sure that this incursion 913 01:18:34,326 --> 01:18:37,329 didn’t turn into facts on the ground. 914 01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:52,607 This was the deal. 915 01:18:52,608 --> 01:18:56,721 The state would withdraw all of its emergency forces out of the city 916 01:18:56,722 --> 01:19:00,219 and the state will allow the city to govern its affairs in accordance 917 01:19:00,220 --> 01:19:03,057 with the wishes of the people who lived here. 918 01:19:03,058 --> 01:19:05,323 That meant holding a vote, a plebiscite. 919 01:19:05,324 --> 01:19:09,624 The people from Nova Sao Paulo would decide whether to investigate Warden 920 01:19:09,625 --> 01:19:14,365 or give him the legal tools he needed to best serve the city 921 01:19:14,366 --> 01:19:15,498 and to the rest of the country. 922 01:19:15,499 --> 01:19:18,403 It was a statement We want our business, you mind yours 923 01:19:19,602 --> 01:19:23,440 and by our example we’ll show you that we’ve got the better way. 924 01:19:23,441 --> 01:19:24,441 Voters in Nova Sao Paulo 925 01:19:24,442 --> 01:19:28,676 They’ll decide whether to grant Warden sweeping new powers or leave 926 01:19:28,677 --> 01:19:30,051 the justice system intact. 927 01:19:30,052 --> 01:19:31,580 Warden has promised to abide by the result, 928 01:19:31,581 --> 01:19:37,521 even if a no vote would force him to face prosecution by the state government. 929 01:20:20,267 --> 01:20:24,402 There’s this thing that a lot of us think that the king, 930 01:20:24,403 --> 01:20:29,375 the emperor, just marches up to the throne and says, I’m in charge now. 931 01:20:29,848 --> 01:20:31,475 But that’s not true. 932 01:20:31,476 --> 01:20:32,850 That’s not how it happens. 933 01:20:32,851 --> 01:20:37,954 The first Roman emperor was given his powers one at a time 934 01:20:37,955 --> 01:20:43,355 by the Senate to save the republic. 935 01:20:43,356 --> 01:20:45,797 They didn’t even call him the emperor. 936 01:20:45,798 --> 01:20:48,426 They called him the Princeps. 937 01:20:48,427 --> 01:20:50,901 It meant first citizen. 938 01:20:50,902 --> 01:20:53,871 On the surface, it was the status quo. 939 01:20:53,872 --> 01:20:59,009 But behind the scenes, Warden had been given a state within a state, 940 01:20:59,273 --> 01:21:00,339 he could run things his way. 941 01:21:00,340 --> 01:21:03,573 Whatever that meant on any given day, and anybody who didn’t like 942 01:21:03,574 --> 01:21:06,577 could just get the hell out. 943 01:21:07,215 --> 01:21:10,317 I left as soon as the fighting stopped. 944 01:21:11,087 --> 01:21:14,518 It felt like witness protection, 945 01:21:14,519 --> 01:21:18,830 you know, new city, new home, new friends. 946 01:21:18,831 --> 01:21:22,328 And I know that if he wants to, he’ll find me or it’ll be someone 947 01:21:22,329 --> 01:21:26,630 he doesn’t even know who wants to be part of the movement. But. 948 01:21:27,565 --> 01:21:31,844 I wanted to tell the truth first. 949 01:22:13,710 --> 01:22:17,020 I have been told the execs from our parent company were flying 950 01:22:17,021 --> 01:22:22,784 in the next morning to meet with my producers , so I knew that wasn’t good. 951 01:22:22,785 --> 01:22:26,722 People were already trying to get me off the air. 952 01:22:26,723 --> 01:22:28,361 I was a liability. 953 01:22:28,362 --> 01:22:30,858 And with the meeting happening, 954 01:22:30,859 --> 01:22:36,765 I pretty much knew that night would be my last broadcast. 955 01:22:36,766 --> 01:22:38,734 They were shooting right at the messenger. 956 01:22:38,735 --> 01:22:44,410 So I received a call from my boss in the UK headquarters. 957 01:22:44,411 --> 01:22:49,514 So very polite conversation wherein I was informed 958 01:22:49,515 --> 01:22:55,058 that the owners had essentially terminated 959 01:22:55,059 --> 01:22:58,358 the whole newsroom in Brazil, effective immediately. 960 01:22:58,359 --> 01:23:04,232 You look at the news coverage since we left, I think Warden’s been pretty happy. 961 01:23:04,233 --> 01:23:08,897 Warden was about controlling the message. But look 962 01:23:09,667 --> 01:23:12,537 Yeah. What’s that line? 963 01:23:12,538 --> 01:23:15,948 Democracy is the theory that. 964 01:23:16,608 --> 01:23:18,774 People know what they want 965 01:23:18,775 --> 01:23:23,989 and deserve to get it good and hard. 966 01:23:25,782 --> 01:23:29,962 I think people. Got what they asked for. 967 01:23:35,825 --> 01:23:40,566 I was very proud of the work I done as a state attorney general. 968 01:23:40,731 --> 01:23:41,863 But after speaking with Warden, 969 01:23:41,864 --> 01:23:46,043 we came to the conclusion that I would best serve the city as Mayor. 970 01:23:46,044 --> 01:23:48,342 And fortunately, people agreed. 971 01:23:48,343 --> 01:23:53,018 And I think all the work we did speaks for itself. 972 01:23:54,184 --> 01:23:55,283 There’s no denying that. 973 01:23:55,284 --> 01:23:58,946 Nova Paulo, the city that Romeu Filho and Warden 974 01:23:58,947 --> 01:24:01,994 are building will impress you. 975 01:24:02,456 --> 01:24:05,161 It wants to impress you. 976 01:24:05,162 --> 01:24:08,131 Its skyline is its own message. 977 01:24:08,132 --> 01:24:10,562 Look at what we can do. 978 01:24:10,563 --> 01:24:14,005 It’s one part Singapore, one part Sparta. 979 01:24:14,006 --> 01:24:16,469 In this state of perpetual high alert, 980 01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:21,969 looking every day for attacks from without and traitors from within. 981 01:24:21,970 --> 01:24:25,610 There it is. He has his city. 982 01:24:25,611 --> 01:24:28,250 He enforces the law his way. 983 01:24:28,251 --> 01:24:33,651 Frankly, I think it’s the perfect expression of what a superhero is. 984 01:24:33,652 --> 01:24:36,489 A lot of it, you’ll recognize, looks the same. 985 01:24:36,490 --> 01:24:38,920 But there’s an iron curtain. 986 01:24:38,921 --> 01:24:43,529 You don’t get a lot of news that’s real. You get rumors. 987 01:24:43,530 --> 01:24:47,698 Now, Warden is doing less and less public appearances. 988 01:24:47,699 --> 01:24:49,865 He is spending more time alone. 989 01:24:49,866 --> 01:24:53,209 He’s angrier. He’s paranoid. 990 01:24:53,210 --> 01:24:55,574 He sees enemies and rats everywhere. 991 01:24:55,575 --> 01:24:58,874 Ever since people came forward about him. 992 01:24:58,875 --> 01:25:02,383 Now, if you live in Nova Sao Paulo, 993 01:25:02,384 --> 01:25:05,881 you’re going to think twice before criticizing Warden. 994 01:25:05,882 --> 01:25:07,751 And if you read anything about the city, 995 01:25:07,752 --> 01:25:10,820 it’s because Warden allowed it to be published. 996 01:25:10,821 --> 01:25:15,528 Anything else gets branded a conspiracy theory and shouted down. 997 01:25:15,529 --> 01:25:19,565 So the truth is getting murkier and murkier, 998 01:25:19,566 --> 01:25:25,506 and the collective sense of reality is slipping away. 999 01:26:04,710 --> 01:26:07,910 You hear his obsessed with his legacy. 1000 01:26:07,911 --> 01:26:11,287 He needs to know what comes after him. 1001 01:26:11,288 --> 01:26:12,420 You hear about researchers. 1002 01:26:12,421 --> 01:26:18,019 He has them doing experiments trying to duplicate whatever made him 1003 01:26:18,020 --> 01:26:20,494 everything he swore not to do. 1004 01:26:20,495 --> 01:26:26,797 Criminals. Suspects disappear, but 1005 01:26:26,798 --> 01:26:31,638 We don’t know that. Romeu Filho keeps it under guard 1006 01:26:32,342 --> 01:26:34,640 the new way can’t be wrong. 1007 01:26:34,641 --> 01:26:36,279 It’s still too much to gain for the winners. 1008 01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:41,449 So the message from everyone every day, business, news 1009 01:26:41,450 --> 01:26:43,286 is that the city is thriving. 1010 01:26:43,287 --> 01:26:45,585 The city is safe. 1011 01:26:45,586 --> 01:26:47,257 The city is defying its critics. 1012 01:26:47,258 --> 01:26:51,195 It’s silenced the doubts. It’s kicked out the traitors. 1013 01:26:51,196 --> 01:26:53,197 It’s found a better way. 1014 01:26:53,198 --> 01:26:54,991 It has its Warden. 1015 01:26:55,794 --> 01:26:59,303 And now the real work can begin. 89293

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