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APPLAUSE
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Hello, and welcome
to Modern Life Is Goodish,
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my name is Dave Gorman
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and on tonight's show, I
want to get my teeth into
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an issue that, when we were last
making a series,
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wasn't even a real concern
for most people.
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Artificial Intelligence.
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Now, you might expect me to have
a cynical view of AI,
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but, do you know what?
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I actually think it's
a really powerful tool.
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You can even get it
to write scripts for you these days
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and this day's audience won't hardly
notice the wiser.
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AI's critics seem
to come at it from two directions.
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On the one hand it's
an existential threat
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to everyone's livelihood
and on the other,
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it's so stupid it doesn't know how
many fingers we're supposed
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to have, although, I'll be honest,
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I've never really noticed
that myself.
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In my experience... APPLAUSE
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In my experience it just doesn't
appear
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to be that intelligent.
I'll give you an example.
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Recently, I was in some holiday
accommodation
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with a small selection of DVDs.
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One of them, the Mel Gibson thriller
Ransom.
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I was tasked with finding out
whether this would be
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an appropriate film to watch given
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the age range of family
members present.
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Long story short,
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I found myself at this website that
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I don't think is written by humans.
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I think it must be using AI
to scrape the internet
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for other people's writing.
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It definitely gets things wrong.
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Here's the plot summary
for this version of Ransom.
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"A retired lieutenant colonel tries
to raise £950
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for two flights to East Africa".
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I can tell you that Mel Gibson's
character isn't
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a retired lieutenant colonel,
but more to the point,
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it's not just wrong,
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it's wrong in a way that any
human being
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would immediately know is wrong.
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I think £950 is a clue, isn't it?
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Here's a still from the film.
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He is surrounded by what are clearly
US dollars
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and I'm going to go out on
a limb here
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and say that is more than £950
worth, isn't it?
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I mean why would any ransom ever be
£950, anyway?
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The one thing hostage takers don't
normally do with
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the ransom is knock a bit off to
make it sound like a bargain.
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I have no idea where it found
this sentence,
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maybe we'll never know,
but I do know that it is wrong.
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What's worrying about AI, I suppose,
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is that even though it's
demonstrably awful,
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businesses are still using it.
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They would rather have
a shit thing for free than pay
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a person to do it properly.
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It makes me realise that I think
maybe London cabbies were
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the canaries in the coal mine.
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To have a licence to drive
a London cab,
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you have to do The Knowledge.
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"There are thousands of streets
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"and landmarks within
a six mile radius of Charing Cross.
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"Anyone who wants to drive
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"an iconic London cab must memorise
them all."
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It normally takes people
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three to four years to do it.
What a feat of memory that is.
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It came as no surprise when
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a cabbie won Mastermind in 1980.
Anyone remember the name?
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Fred Housego.
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Absolutely.
I might as well have said,
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"Who here is over 50?"
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Every one of them remembers the name
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Fred Housego.
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Incidentally, young people,
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that isn't a sepia-tinted black
and white photo
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that is what life looked like in
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Britain in glorious technicolour
back in the day.
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Imagine having a skill set built up
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over three to four years
and then being undercut
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by any old sausage with a sat nav.
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And maybe we should have taken
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the taxi drivers' side on this,
but we didn't,
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most of us just went,
"Ooh, cheaper taxis".
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I appreciate, incidentally,
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this is a very London-centric view
of things.
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If you live outside of London,
the arrival of
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the sat nav has almost certainly
improved your taxi experience.
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Something happened about six years
ago that really showed me how
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London-centric things can be.
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What it is, is...
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I moved out of London.
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Leaving London is like leaving
a cult.
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Those who remain in
the cult are unable
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to acknowledge that life can
meaningfully exist on
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the outside.
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In London,
the East End was always my patch.
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This is how closed minded some
Londoners can be.
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One of my London mates,
Nev, a proper Cockney,
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Nev, born and bred,
born within the sound of Bowlegs,
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his mum had rickets,
lot of poverty in the old East End,
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I told him we were moving.
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He asked where to,
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and I told him we are moving
to Bournemouth.
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And his first words were,
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"What tube line is that on?"
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I said it's not on a tube line,
we're leaving London.
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He said, what are you doing that
for?
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I said, "We want to be nearer to
the grandparents."
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He said, "Why don't you make
the grandparents move to London?"
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I knew after about six months that
it had been
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a good move for us. Do you know why?
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Because in those first six months,
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we had more nights out...
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..in London...
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..than we'd had in
the entire two years before it.
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And when I say more,
I mean two more
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and when I say two more,
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I mean two.
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A few weeks after we'd moved
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I mentioned it on Twitter as
it was then,
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and it was fascinating to see
the reaction.
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It's that sort of, "I know one thing
about Bournemouth
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"and I'm now going to do the joke
that I think I'm supposed to do"
reaction.
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A lot of "Are you retiring?
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"Retiring to the seaside.
Are you just waiting for God?"
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Et cetera, et cetera.
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And I know where they're
coming from.
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I don't take offence.
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I understand that's how
British people relate
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to one another.
But at the same time,
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it's not really an effective way
of teasing someone going,
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"Ha-ha-ha, you moved to a town full
of old people,"
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when the reason we moved there was
to be near
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to some old people. Of course,
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some people served their banter
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with what I would describe as
a side salad of pompous.
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"I'm sorry, but I'm with Oscar Wilde
on this.
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"When you're tired of London,
you're tired of life.
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"Hashtag. Just sayin."
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Two things here. Number one,
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I do not believe that
Oscar Wilde would ever have used
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the hashtag "Just sayin."
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Number two that is not
an Oscar Wilde quote,
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that is a Samuel Johnson quote.
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The full quote is as follows
"You find no man,
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"at all intellectual,
who is willing to leave London.
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"No, sir. When a man is tired of
London, he is tired of life,
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"for there is in London all that life
can afford."
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I'm not sure that taking one man's
opinion from nearly 250 years ago
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and presenting it as an immutable
fact for all people for all time
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is a great way of constructing an
argument, is it?
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I too can pluck some words
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that somebody else once said
hundreds of years ago.
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And my argument is going to be,
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"Oh, I do like to be beside
the seaside.
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"Oh, I do like to be beside the sea.
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"Oh, I do like to stroll along
the prom prom prom,
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"where the brass bands play..."
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AUDIENCE:Tiddly om pom pom.
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Exactly. I've got an argument people
can join in with.
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I think that means I win in
the court of popular opinion.
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This is an incredible way
to respond.
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"Why would anyone
want to be surrounded by old people?
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"Ugh, makes my skin crawl just
thinking about it."
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Well, good luck for your future,
my friend.
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"Look at what you're letting
yourself in for".
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Now this chap had attached some
pictures to his tweet
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and I need to expand them before
we can appreciate
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the rest of his words.
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They were population trend graphs
for the East London
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and Bournemouth postcodes.
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He's taken them from a website
called PlumPlot.co.uk,
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which is one of those weird URLs
where you're never quite sure
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where the break in the word is
supposed to be, are you?
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That could be plum plot
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or it could be plump lot.
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You just don't know, do you?
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It's like that time that
Tim Vine - king of the puns,
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appeared on Lorraine one morning
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and they gave him
the hashtag Britain's Pun King.
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I need to confess by the way,
that's not real.
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I Photoshopped that,
I'm just being silly,
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it was actually, I know it was
King of the One Liner.
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You obviously can't do that at
quarter to nine in the morning,
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there's too many people with
a yoghurt on the go.
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Anyway,
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these are the particular graphs that
my correspondent was tweeting about
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and now that you know that
I can show you
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the rest of his words.
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"Look at what you're letting
yourself in for.
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"East London's a Christmas tree.
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"Bournemouth's an urn."
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That is not how graphs work!
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It's not about whether they paint
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a pretty picture or not, is it?
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It's about what the data tells you.
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You can't compare these two graphs
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because you're not comparing like
with like.
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They've both got the same vertical
axis going up in ten yearly age
brackets,
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but they have different
horizontal axes.
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That East London graph goes out
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to 200,000 women in that direction
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and 200,000 men in that direction,
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whereas the Bournemouth graph only
extends to 50,000 people.
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To make these charts comparable,
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we have to make them both go out to
200,000.
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And that changes the middle of
the Bournemouth graph
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to look like that.
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Now Bournemouth is a lighthouse,
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a beautiful, picturesque coastal
scene.
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Whereas East London is
a hypodermic syringe.
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But of course,
it's not about the pictures,
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is it? It's about what
the data actually tells you.
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Let's consider my place on
these charts.
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I was in my 40s when I moved
and I am now in my 50s.
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So, in east London,
I was one of 78,677 men.
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And had we stayed.
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I would have become one
of 58,558 men.
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In other words,
ladies and gentlemen,
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in East London,
I only had a 74% chance of survival.
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In Bournemouth I became one of
a group of 36,414 men
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and I am now one of 42,791.
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It's hardly surprising I made it
into my 50s ladies and gentlemen,
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because moving to Bournemouth
gave me
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a 118% chance of survival.
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I'm not quite sure how this works,
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but if we keep moving I'm pretty sure
I can live forever.
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I'll see you after the break.
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Welcome back to Modern Life
Is Goodish.
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Now earlier, I was showing you
people's tweets about me moving
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to Bournemouth - but I held one back
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because I think it's a doozy.
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I think one person in particular is
going to find
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the first line especially funny.
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"You will be running back
to London in no time." Yeah?
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The one person who I know thinks
it's hilarious?
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Is him.
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"In London all the celebrities hang
out together.
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"You won't enjoy hanging out
with all us normals.
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"Where you gonna find celebrity
friends in Bournemouth?"
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There's so much to unpack here.
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One, he thinks I'm a real celebrity.
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Two, he thinks all
the celebrities hang out together.
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Three, if he's one of the normals I
won't want to hang out with,
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does that mean that he lives
in Bournemouth?
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And if he is a Bournemouth resident
then he should know
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the answer to his question,
shouldn't he?
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It's obvious where I'm
going to find celebrity friends
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to hang out with in Bournemouth,
isn't it?
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I'm going to find them at
the Hotel Celebrity.
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Why else would it be called
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the Hotel Celebrity if it isn't
where all
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the celebs hang out? That's how it
works, isn't it?
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If you're in Plymouth
and you want to meet a celebrity,
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you'd go and get your nails done at
Celebrities Nails,
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yeah, that's how it works.
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If you're in Liverpool
and you want to meet a celebrity,
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go and get your photos taken at
Celebrity Images,
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that's how it works.
It's obvious, isn't it?
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Actually, this is another quite good
use of AI.
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You can see that they've blurred
the face of this woman.
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I have used AI to unblur it and look,
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it's Meryl Streep.
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The Hotel Celebrity claims
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to be Europe's Premiere Celebrity
Themed Hotel
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and I suspect they're right
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because every single room is
themed around
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a different celebrity,
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and I knew that when
I first looked at their website
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and saw that mosaic
and I thought, well,
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presumably they've got 160 rooms
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and they've represented everyone
they've themed
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a room around in this mosaic.
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Then I did a deeper dive into
the website
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and I discovered, they claim to have
59 clean celebrity themed rooms.
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Which does raise the tantalising
prospect...
LAUGHTER
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..of there being 101 filthy celebrity
themed rooms.
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"Yes, Sir, the filthy Angelina Jolie
room is surprisingly popular".
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I don't think you get
to choose your celebrity,
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but I think based on this selection,
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I personally would be going
for Bowie.
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That'd be exciting,
wouldn't it? I love a bit of Bowie.
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A man who reinvented himself
so many times.
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I think everyone has
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a different version
of David Bowie in their head.
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Now, just create in your own mind's
eye what you think is
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the perfect hotel bedroom themed on
your David Bowie.
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I am not scared of how amazing your
creations are,
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because I know that I'm still
going to show you
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something that
will blow your freaking mind.
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Keep what you've created right
up front.
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Now, imagine putting the key in
the door
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and throwing it wide to reveal...
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LAUGHTER
..the David Bowie Room at
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the Hotel Celebrity!
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Representing his much less
well-remembered MDF phase.
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You can't look at that and not think
of David Bowie, can you?
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It's like his music is already
playing in your head.
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# There's a starman waiting in
the sky
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# He'd like to come and meet us
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# But he thinks he'd blow our
minds... #
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That is not a David Bowie
themed room!
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that is a bloody Travelodge!
What are they doing?
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Now, look, I should be fair here,
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I have looked at every single photo
on TripAdvisor
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and I can tell you,
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there is evidence
of Bowie in this room.
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There are two posters
of him on that wall
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and there are two posters
of him on that wall.
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That is not a David Bowie
themed room!
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That is a David Bowie fan themed
room,
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if the fan's parents have got very
strict Blu-tac protocols.
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There are other details in
these rooms.
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Imagine you've turned up late
at night.
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It's gone midnight, you've had a
skinful - you're with your partner,
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you don't care whose room you're in,
you just want some kip.
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You wake up at four in
the morning needing a wee
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because you're a man in your 50s
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and that's how it bloody works
these days.
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You don't want to wake up
your partner.
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You're feeling your way in the dark.
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Eventually you find the door.
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You can't turn that light on until
you've shut the door, can you?
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Oh, I hope it's not a squeaker.
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HE IMITATES DOOR CREAKING
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Only now can you pull that
little cord.
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And when you do, you are
greeted by...
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You'd shit yourself, wouldn't you?!
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I'm sure many people will be
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wondering what they're doing
even having
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a Michael Jackson room in
the first place,
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but given that they have,
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I do wonder why
the Michael Jackson room is
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a twin when Jedward's a single.
LAUGHTER
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There isn't really
a Jedward room. I made that one up,
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and I am sorry, I am sorry,
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I always tell you immediately if
I'm telling you
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a little fib, I'm just being silly.
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That is actually the Ken Dodd room.
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And it's not actually a single,
that's just one corner of the room,
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because that's also
the Ken Dodd room,
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that's also the Ken Dodd room,
and so is that.
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Now, here's my point.
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If you are running a hotel themed on
celebrities,
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you owe it to yourself as
a business decision
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to remove your personal taste in
celebrities from this experience.
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This is a hotel.
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Anyone on earth could come
and stay there.
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I think you need to be choosing
celebrities who transcend
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culture and time.
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Certain people have become
avatars for
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the concept of celebrity.
I think Charlie Chaplin,
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Muhammad Ali, Marilyn Monroe,
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Elvis Presley are names that almost
anyone on Earth would recognise.
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Now, I'm a man in my 50s
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and I'm British so of course I know
who Ken Dodd is.
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And as it happens,
I bloomin' love Ken Dodd.
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But I wouldn't expect half of you
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to know who Ken Dodd is.
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Imagine being Spanish.
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Ken Dodd's work can't have reached
the continent, can it?
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Now, I live in Bournemouth, trust me,
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lot of German and Spanish tourists
in the summer.
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Imagine a Spanish couple turning up
at this hotel,
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asking for a family room.
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And you give them the Ken Dodd Room.
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Those children are
going to be utterly bamboozled.
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And so are the parents.
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Where's little Pedro going to sleep?
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He's five. He's your youngest,
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little Pedro is going to be in that
bed there, isn't he?
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Maybe you'll have a furtive game of
cards around that table before
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retiring to your own beds later on
that night.
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Little Pedro is going to wake up
first, isn't he?
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About 5:00 in the morning,
if memory serves.
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The first thing little Pedro sees
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when he wakes up in that bed,
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is going to be that, isn't it?
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And I say to you ladies
and gentlemen,
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no child on Earth,
but especially not one without
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a single mental hat peg on which
to hang
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the notion of Ken Dodd's existence,
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should ever wake up on any
given morning
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and have the first thing they see
be that.
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LAUGHTER
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That is just not right!
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I think we all need a moment
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to think about what we've done here.
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I'll see you after the break.
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APPLAUSE
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APPLAUSE
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Welcome back to Modern Life
Is Goodish,
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now for anyone who's just tuning in,
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earlier on we were talking about
celebrity abuse.
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By which I don't mean
the abuse of celebrities,
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I mean the abuse of
the word celebrity.
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Things that use the word celebrity
when they have no real connection
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to actual celebrities things like
this and this and this.
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High five, mate, yeah, absolutely.
High six, fella, high six.
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That landed, didn't it?
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If you've ever watched a celebrity
show on TV and had that thought,
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"Celebrities? I've never bloomin'
heard of them,
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these aren't celebrities."
Give me a little cheer.
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AUDIENCE CHEER
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Yeah, before we had influencers
and YouTubers
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and The Only Way Is Essex
reality stars,
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we used to have proper celebs,
didn't we?
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People who'd trod the boards and
learned their craft the hard way,
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You kind of, you... I know, I could
feel you went for that, sir.
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You're connecting with me
emotionally on this, aren't you?
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What's your name there, fella?
Steven.
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Steven, yeah.
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You've watched those shows
and gone ,"I've never heard of..."
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you've watched that, haven't you?
I have.
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You have, haven't you?
Do you know what mate,
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Steven, you're wrong and you've made
a complete fool of yourself there.
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Not just you, everyone.
We're all wrong,
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me included.
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That was a lazy joke based on
flawed logic and I should
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know better than to tell it to you,
ladies and gentlemen.
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You're not alone though,
don't worry about it.
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Any time any celebrity-based show
appears on TV these days loads
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of people make the complaint that
they're not proper celebrities
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because they've never heard of them.
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And it's an attitude that is often
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accompanied by posts like this
featuring Bruce Forsyth
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and Roy Castle. Now look,
the video attached here is amazing.
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They both play the xylophone,
Roy plays the flute,
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Brucie the piano, they tap dance,
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they sing scat jazz - it is
a tour-de-force from
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a bygone age and I have nothing
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but admiration for their talents.
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But this, "There was
a time when you had
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"to be multi-talented
to make it on TV"
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is simply not true. That is a lie.
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I think it is a lie that
Boomers tell themselves
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because they
need to believe that they grew up in
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a world that rewarded merit
and talent
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and that you come from an ephemeral
world of frippery and nonsense
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because if they can convince
themselves that that's true,
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they don't have to feel guilty about
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the fact that they could afford
to buy
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a house whereas you have to wait
for them to die.
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LAUGHTER
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There have always,
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always been people who have
become celebrities
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for no reason other than
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the British public just kind
of liked them.
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I'll give you an example.
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LAUGHTER
Fred Housego.
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And I know, some of you are
immediately thinking,
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"Well he wasn't really that famous."
But he was.
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And I've already proved he was.
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More than 40 years after he
won Mastermind,
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everyone in this room over
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the age of 50 remembers his name.
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Because he had a pretty big career
in TV
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and radio after it.
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In 1981, he was voted TV Personality
of the Year.
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Woman Magazine was asking 'Has Fame
Spoilt Fred Housego?'
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LAUGHTER
I'll give you another example
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of someone who was famous back in
the day
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for no reason other than people
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liked him.
Anyone remember that name?
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Ted Moult.
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Ted Moult. Loads of you.
There you go famous.
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Ted Moult was a farmer who became
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a TV and radio personality.
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I think to my generation, he's
probably best remembered
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for the many adverts that he
did, yeah?
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He'd be the pitchman,
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front and centre telling you about
the product.
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He was basically an influencer.
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Ted Moult's TV career is
so vast it is almost impossible
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to fit his whole IMDB page on
one screen.
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But it starts in 1958 on
What's My Line
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and ends in 1986 with
the Kenny Everett Television Show
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and do you know what was
the springboard to his fame?
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Like Fred, it was a quiz show.
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Only this was on the radio.
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Ted Moult first came to
the public's attention on
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the BBC Radio general
knowledge quiz,
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Brain Of Britain.
And some of you are thinking well,
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winning a quiz is
a demonstration of his talent.
489
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,760
But he didn't win it.
490
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,520
He got knocked out in
the first round.
LAUGHTER
491
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,960
I think that is that side of
the argument dealt with,
492
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,800
now let's deal with this.
493
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,280
It feels like a reasonable stance,
doesn't it?
494
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,600
If a celebrity is someone that
you've heard of,
495
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,880
it stands to reason that someone you
496
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,960
haven't heard of is not a celebrity.
497
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,160
But this is a false equation,
isn't it?
498
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,440
A celebrity isn't someone that you
have heard of.
499
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,560
It's someone that people have
heard of.
500
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,440
The mistake you made
earlier, Steven,
501
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,960
is in believing that you are people.
LAUGHTER
502
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,480
It used to be the same thing.
As a kid you and I,
503
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,600
we'd pretty much heard
of everyone that our mums
504
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,440
and dads had heard of and they'd
heard of everyone that we'd heard of.
505
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,240
And do you know why?
Because we didn't have any choice.
506
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,120
In the 1970s we only had three
TV channels.
507
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,640
Do you know how many
TV channels there are today?
508
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,440
Nobody knows.
LAUGHTER
509
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,400
It's literally an unknowable fact.
510
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,120
I think it's hard for young people
511
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,560
to understand how little choice
there was.
512
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,520
You had three channels
and in most households,
513
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,160
only one TV. No video recorder,
no laptop,
514
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,240
no iPad, no phone.
515
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,080
You had no other screen
and so what was on,
516
00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,640
was what you watched. And sometimes,
517
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,880
there was nothing on.
518
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,080
There were times in my childhood
where I spent half
519
00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:31,040
an hour watching that.
LAUGHTER
520
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,640
I can explain it best
with this diagram.
521
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,000
This serves two purposes.
One, it is a subliminal ad
522
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,280
for the game, Twister.
523
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,600
But, two, it represents a family of
four.
524
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,760
In the 1970s, with one screen in a
house, the overlap
525
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,440
of their televisual knowledge looked
something like this.
526
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,240
Nowadays, in our world of infinite
choice,
527
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,000
every member of
the family will watch their own
528
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,320
things on their own time on their
own screens
529
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:59,120
and so it looks more like this.
530
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,920
So, when you complain that people
aren't really celebrities
531
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,840
because you've never heard of them,
532
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,920
what you're really saying is that
you think
533
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,720
the producers of Strictly ought
to be booking those people.
534
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,960
LAUGHTER
They're never
535
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,720
going to do Strictly.
That's Tom Cruise,
536
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,200
that's Taylor Swift,
537
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,360
that's Paddington Bear.
LAUGHTER
538
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,200
And those sorts of people were never
on that sort of telly.
539
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,800
I loved Blankety Blank when I was
a kid
540
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,240
but there isn't some golden age
541
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,160
of Blankety Blank where
Terry Wogan's panel was made up
542
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,760
of De Niro, Windsor, Olivier,
Stallone,
543
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,280
Heston and Onna.
That never happened.
544
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,480
There was always
a smattering of weathermen,
545
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,480
taxi drivers and farmers.
546
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,960
And when Fred or Ted or any of
547
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,480
the many others
of their ilk appeared on the box,
548
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,480
nobody yelled,
"He's not a celebrity,
549
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,240
"I've never even heard of him." Why?
550
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,800
Because everyone had heard
of him. Why?
551
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,400
Because, for example, when
Fred Housego won Mastermind,
552
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,960
there were 18 million viewers.
553
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,360
Why? Because there was
nothing else on.
554
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,040
Case closed.
APPLAUSE
555
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,040
I don't think there is any
qualitative difference between,
556
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,840
say, Ted Moult being thrust into
the limelight by
557
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,160
an appearance on a quiz show
558
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,920
and Joey Essex being on
The Only Way Is Essex
559
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,040
and seizing his opportunity as well.
560
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,840
Good luck to Joey Essex.
Whoever he is.
561
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,560
He is an interesting case actually.
562
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,800
The Only Way Is Essex has made him
a bona fide star
563
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,160
with credits coming out of his wazoo
and yet,
564
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,880
one of his most recent credits was
for Love Island.
565
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,080
Not a Celebrity Love Island.
Just Love Island.
566
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,480
That's a bit weird,
isn't it? On Love Island,
567
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,640
the winning couple can make 50 grand
between them and,
568
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,080
whatever you think of it as a show,
569
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:50,200
it is a bit weird pitching
non-celebs against
570
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,800
a celeb when there's serious prize
money at stake, isn't it?
571
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,960
Of course, it got
a lot of headlines at the time.
572
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,000
A lot of people had a lot
to say on the subject,
573
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,240
ladies and gentlemen.
574
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,400
Luckily for you...
CHEERS
575
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,320
..I read the comments sections on
articles like these
576
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:09,040
so that you don't have to.
577
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,040
And I've taken my favourite of
the comments
578
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,280
and turned them into something that
I like to call
579
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,600
a found poem...
CHEER
580
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,400
..that I would like
to perform for you now.
581
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,640
CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYS
582
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,280
All so-called reality shows are
essentially popularity contests.
583
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,640
So, putting a celebrity in is
basically cheating.
584
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,040
It's no different to
a lympic runner taking steroids.
585
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,240
Shame on you Joey Essex.
Shame on you.
586
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,120
The show is called Love Island
587
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,240
because it is filmed on
the island of Mallorca.
588
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,480
What the producers fail
589
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,200
to realise is that Britain is also
an island.
590
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,280
LAUGHTER
591
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,800
Nobody in Britain thinks that being
an island is special
592
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,920
because we are one.
LAUGHTER
593
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,080
This is sick.
594
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,360
Joey Essex is old enough to be
the father
595
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,880
to some of those girls.
596
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,720
He should not be on there ogling
them in their swimming costumes.
597
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,040
What are the BBC thinking?
LAUGHTER
598
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,200
Love Island is not on the BBC.
599
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,880
I didn't say that it was.
LAUGHTER
600
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,960
I simply asked what are
the BBC thinking?
601
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,240
And I stand by that.
602
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:31,760
FFS. Why is this news?
603
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,080
Who is this for?
604
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:36,400
It is certainly not for me
605
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,920
and I intend to say no more on
the matter.
606
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,920
It's not as if there aren't more
important things
607
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,720
to get worked up about.
608
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,680
For instance...
609
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,000
..when did it become
10p for a plastic bag?
610
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,840
I tuned in because I thought I liked
Joey Essex.
611
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,840
But I was confusing him
612
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,480
with Stacey Solomon's husband.
LAUGHTER
613
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,280
He is also called Joe.
But, to my surprise,
614
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,040
he turns out to be someone
else entirely.
615
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,280
I think the producers could have
made more of an effort
616
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,720
to make this clear to people.
617
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,840
As I can't be the only one who fell
for this trick.
618
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,520
Not cool, BBC, not cool.
619
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,480
Mate,
620
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,200
the youngest contestant on
there is 21.
621
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,040
Joey Essex is 33.
622
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,960
33 minus 21 is roughly ten
or something.
623
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,920
LAUGHTER
624
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,840
I don't think many people become
dads at ten.
625
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,680
Good maths.
626
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,440
Can't wait to see your comment on one
627
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,960
of Dave Gorman's poems.
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
628
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:13,240
May the 21st, 2021...
629
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,240
..is when it became 10p for
a plastic bag.
630
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,280
I thank you.
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
631
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,600
MUSIC STOPS
The Billroth String Quartet!
632
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,960
Ladies and gentlemen,
see you after the break.
633
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,560
APPLAUSE
634
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,120
APPLAUSE
635
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,520
Welcome back to Modern Life
Is Goodish,
636
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,640
ladies and gentlemen,
637
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,880
where we have been discussing
notions of celebrity.
638
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,160
It seems odd to me that people will
complain about someone they've never
639
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,920
heard of doing Strictly when they
must know by now that sometimes,
640
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,040
it's the least well-known people who
641
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,920
turn out to be the most popular.
642
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,760
To me, the most obvious proof that
643
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,920
the most famous person isn't always
644
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,920
the best person can be found,
645
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,720
like so many things in life,
646
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,360
by analysing Cash In The Attic.
LAUGHTER
647
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,960
I don't mean the Channel 5 reboot,
648
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,200
I mean classic BBC
Cash In the Attic,
649
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,240
all 586 episodes of it.
650
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,480
You can't make that many shows
without using several presenters,
651
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,720
and on Attic, the roll call of
presenters included some true titans
652
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,200
of British broadcasting.
Rippon, Fogle,
653
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,240
Hunniford, Jones and Bond,
Jennie Bond.
654
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,200
And yet, I would suggest that
655
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,920
the Queen of Cash In The Attic was
always Lorne Spicer.
656
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,920
It's one particular word that
she does especially well.
657
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,880
Here is a bit of a pre-title sequence
for you from Lorne.
658
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,560
Nowadays, we're all inheriting
659
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,720
lots of stuff from our parents,
but...
660
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,920
It's that last word, "but."
661
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,400
She makes it sound like
662
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,440
a duck quacking. "But?"
Here it is in isolation.
663
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,360
But...Yes, good, isn't it?
664
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,920
I've got an even bigger one
for you.
665
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,040
But...Ooooh, love it!
666
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,400
I like big buts and I cannot lie.
LAUGHTER
667
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,480
A big but like that is really
useful for a TV presenter.
668
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,360
It's used to lead
the viewer onto the next idea,
669
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,560
and to distract you from
670
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,480
the fact that what they've just said
was utter gibberish.
671
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,880
Look I'll show you again.
672
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,560
Nowadays, we're all inheriting
673
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,720
lots of stuff from our parents,
but...
674
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,520
What does that even mean?
675
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,240
"Nowadays, we're all inheriting
lots of stuff from our..." Are we?
676
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,640
LAUGHTER
Is that a new thing?
677
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,440
Has that started happening nowadays?
678
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,880
In the past, was everyone buried in
a pyramid
679
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,400
with all their worldly goods?
LAUGHTER
680
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,320
It's nonsense and you don't notice
it because of the.
681
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,280
But...Yeah.
682
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,120
Just whisks you around
the corner and away.
683
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,360
And what is around that corner?
684
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,720
But when we become
parents ourselves,
685
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,160
and the children have literally
flown the nest...
686
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,640
Not literally.
LAUGHTER
687
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,720
Figuratively, Lorne. Figuratively.
688
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,400
APPLAUSE
689
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,760
There's the nonsense
690
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,320
you know what won't be far behind,
don't you?
691
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,480
They have a tendency to leave
a lot of stuff behind.
692
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,080
Yeah, and look at it forming on her
lips ready.
693
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,200
But in some cases,
that can be beneficial.
694
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,640
Yeah, in some cases it
can be beneficial.
695
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,720
As we'll find out with
the items we're looking at,
696
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,920
later today, on Cash In The Attic.
697
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,320
And then off she goes into
the title sequence.
698
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,040
And of course, we will emerge from
the title sequence
699
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,040
to find out which part
of Hertfordshire
700
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,280
we're visiting this week.
LAUGHTER
701
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,760
TITLE MUSIC PLAYS
702
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,760
Well, I've come to St Albans in
Hertfordshire to meet
703
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,040
a lovely lady who's called in
the Cash In The Attic team
704
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,280
to help her get a day out at
a top London musical.
705
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,320
And that little lyrical sentence
there,
706
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,360
"To help her get a day out at a top
London musical,"
707
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,520
that is the reason I bloody love
Cash In The Attic.
708
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,120
That is the sentence that defines
its place in
709
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,240
the hierarchy of the antiques shows.
710
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,360
You've got your Sunday teatime,
Antiques Roadshow,
711
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,560
where someone is there with
a grandfather clock,
712
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,920
and the expert says, "Oh.
I think this is worth between
713
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,000
"£70,000 and £90,000."
714
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,840
And he doesn't say,
715
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,240
"What are you going to spend
the money on?"
LAUGHTER
716
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,400
Instead, he says, "Oh,
you'll have to get your insurance
717
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,240
"adjusted for that now, won't you?"
And we all assume we're watching
718
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,280
the kind of person who can take
a £70,000 clock home,
719
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,600
put it back in the hallway,
720
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,840
and then carry on living their
normal life.
LAUGHTER
721
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,040
Other end of the spectrum,
you've got daytime ITV,
722
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,800
where David Dickinson is helping
a man sell
723
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,840
a signet ring so he can buy
a bag of skag.
724
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,800
LAUGHTER
Now, in the middle...
725
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,800
In the middle, you've got
daytime BBC,
726
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,120
where they're gonna raise
a significant sum of money.
727
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,280
On Cash in the Attic, it's normally
between £1 and £3,000,
728
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,960
that's a significant sum, isn't it?
729
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,600
But no-one's going to give you
a wodge of 50s at the end of that,
730
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,840
because money would appear vulgar on
daytime BBC.
731
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,200
So instead, you have to declare at
the start of
732
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,080
the show what you want to spend
the money on,
733
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,640
and then we see it come
to fruition at the end.
734
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,680
All of the old eps are still listed
on the website.
735
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,680
They give them all a title
and a description,
736
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,600
the title will be
the punter's surname
737
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,920
and then the description normally
tells you what they want to do with
the money.
738
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,720
So the one we just saw
Lorne introduce was this,
739
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,840
"Inglis. Fiona Inglis enlists
Lorne Spicer
740
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,920
"and John Cameron to help raise money
for a special trip."
741
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,160
I love these descriptions.
742
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,840
I love the ones that sound
the dullest.
743
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,760
It's the fact that someone wrote
them to go in
744
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,520
a TV listings mag in order
to persuade you to watch,
745
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,960
and yet some of them sound like they
were written by
746
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,160
Alan Bennett on an off day.
747
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,360
"Seymour. A couple try to raise
enough money
748
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,440
to build a new garden fence."
LAUGHTER
749
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,720
Sometimes I think they just sound
a bit too exciting,
750
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,040
like this one. "Ransom.
751
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,040
"A retired lieutenant colonel...
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
752
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,360
"..tries to raise £950 for two
flights to East Africa."
753
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,720
That's where it came from!
754
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,240
That is where it came from.
The one we were watching,
755
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,880
Inglis, is amazing.
756
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,400
There's always four characters in
a Cash in the Attic.
757
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,360
You get your presenter
and your expert
758
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,520
and then two punters.
759
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,400
Let's have a look at
the two we're dealing
760
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,680
with on this particular episode, OK.
761
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,320
The lady in white, that is
Fiona Inglis, it's her home
762
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,800
and her antiques we're
going to be selling.
763
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,640
And then the slightly older lady in
764
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,480
the grey cardigan is here
to help out.
765
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,920
Now, my first thought was that maybe
this would turn out
766
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,840
to be Fiona's mother, don't worry.
767
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,320
Lorne is always going to get to
the bottom of issues like this.
768
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,960
So how do you two know each other?
769
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,480
Yeah, how do you two know
each other?
770
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,480
Well, Janice is my pet sitter.
LAUGHTER
771
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,480
Pet sitter?
772
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,560
Has she become your friend while
she's been doing that?
773
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,000
Because you seem rather keen
on maintaining
774
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,880
the master-servant
relationship here.
775
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,160
This is why I love this episode
so much.
776
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,240
It's the British class system in
a nutshell.
777
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,440
We're basically watching
778
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,160
Blackadder and Baldrick do
Cash In The Attic.
LAUGHTER
779
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,040
Of course, Lorne also needs
780
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,360
to find out what they're
going to spend the money on.
781
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,360
I'd very much like
to take Janice into London.
782
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,800
Yeah, you've never been to London
before have you, Janice?
783
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,520
No, we only live 25 miles away
but you've never been.
784
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,840
Little treat for Janice.
That'd be nice,
785
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,240
wouldn't it? Nice,
yeah, that'd be nice, yeah.
786
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,280
For the day and perhaps go
and see a musical.
787
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,920
And look at how overwhelmed
with gratitude Janice is.
788
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,280
She's never known the like, has she?
789
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,600
I'm being slightly
disingenuous here.
790
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,520
She actually is
exceedingly grateful.
791
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,640
Which you will see if
792
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,600
I run this clip on a little bit
more. Here we go.
793
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,160
And I know she would love that,
wouldn't you Janice?
794
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,480
That's nice, that's smashing,
thank you.
795
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,880
You don't have to do that, though.
Ah, no but you deserve it.
796
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,640
You really do.
That's very kind, thank you.
797
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,480
Thank you, miss, you don't normally
let me out the chimney,
798
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,720
miss, that's ever so kind of you.
LAUGHTER
799
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,600
Thank you, I do appreciate it.
Thank you ever so much.
800
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,480
That's ever so kind.
I love this episode so much.
801
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,640
It's amazing. Now, I've always had
802
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,200
a sneaky suspicion that they don't
just sell antiques that
803
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:46,960
they find in the home.
804
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,160
I think the production team might
have a van parked down
805
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,720
the road with two or three
interesting pieces in it.
806
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,760
Not expensive stuff, cheap stuff,
just to guarantee they get a
807
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,560
sufficient antique-y content in the
show.
808
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,800
I can't prove it, but I can show you
809
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,200
the sort of scene that has aroused
my suspicion.
810
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:07,520
Is this of any interest at all?
I found it downstairs.
811
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,640
It's not too bad.
Where did it come from?
812
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,560
Now, the cheeky answer
would be, "Downstairs.
813
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,440
"I just told you." But we all know
what he really means is,
814
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,800
how did this come to be available
for sale at the auction?
815
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,040
Now, on reflection you might
think that
816
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,360
the pet-sitter is unlikely
to know the answer.
817
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,200
How would a pet sitter happen
to know
818
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,640
the provenance of any of
the antiques found in
819
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,080
the home of the pets she sits?
820
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,640
But in this instance,
821
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,120
as luck would have it, Janice knows.
822
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,160
I think, well, Fiona and I got it
at a
823
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,000
a car boot sale
a few weeks back now.
824
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,400
I think if Janice had truly been at
a car boot sale
825
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,760
with Fiona and witnessed that
purchase she
826
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,040
would have sounded very confident in
her answer.
827
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,280
I'll play it to you again
828
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,280
and you can decide if she sounds
confident or if she sounds like
829
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,200
a producer has just asked her
to, "Just pop upstairs
830
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:03,720
"and pretend you got this at a car
boot sale, there's a love."
831
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,120
And she's still struggling
to remember her lines.
832
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,120
Um, I think, well,
Fiona and I got it at a
833
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,680
a car boot sale
a few weeks back now.
834
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:16,120
It is only conjecture on my part,
ladies and gentlemen,
835
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,960
and the important thing here is
they did raise enough money
836
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,280
for their day out at the theatre.
837
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,080
Although, and I think
the sharp-minded
838
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,760
of you will be
ahead of me on this one.
839
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,640
There is going to be
an issue here isn't there.
840
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,440
Given how these two women know
each other,
841
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,600
if they both go to
the theatre together,
842
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,280
that is going to raise certain
logistical issues, isn't it?
843
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,560
With her auction money,
844
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,400
Fiona has brought her good friend
Janice out for a day
845
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,960
to remember in London's West End.
846
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,360
I know some of you caught it,
some of you didn't,
847
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,880
so here it is again in
highlight form.
848
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,000
Out for a day to remember in
London's West End.
849
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,040
Once more, zoomed in, and slo-mo.
850
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,440
LAUGHTER
851
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,040
She brought a dog and a cat!
852
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,680
To the theatre!
LAUGHTER
853
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,720
What are you going to tell them,
Fiona? "It's a guide dog?"
854
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,720
That won't wash, love,
you're carrying it!
855
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,040
And what's Janice doing with a cat?
856
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,960
As a professional pet sitter,
857
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,120
she ought to know that cats are very
independent animals.
858
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,840
You can leave them at home
for hours,
859
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,120
they're absolutely fine,
and, and I've tested this,
860
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,160
they don't like the theatre.
LAUGHTER
861
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,120
What is she doing?
862
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,200
They can't possibly leave this
unremarked on in the show.
863
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:27,800
Obviously, they have to talk
about it.
864
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,360
This is Lula, this is my birthday
present from my son
865
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,640
and I brought her with me today
866
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,440
because I couldn't leave her at home
on her own.
867
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,960
Oh, I wonder why you couldn't leave
her at home, Fiona.
868
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,760
Oh, yeah, because you've brought your
pet sitter!
869
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,200
Is it just me or does that sound
like she's having
870
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,320
a bit of a dig?
871
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,600
Your natural instinct is
to look at the person talking.
872
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,440
I'll play it again and just keep
your eyes on Janice,
873
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,760
I think there's a tiny flash of
microaggression there.
874
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,680
Because I couldn't leave her at home
on her own.
875
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,000
LAUGHTER
876
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,800
That's a face that says, "I know,
and you haven't stopped bloody
877
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,000
"mentioning it all day long."
878
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,880
I love this episode so much.
879
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,080
And so, my son Duncan is
going to look after her
880
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,920
in his dressing room for me while we
go and watch the show.
881
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,760
LAUGHTER
What...? What...?
882
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,120
What?
883
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,680
What do you mean? Duncan's in the...?
884
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:27,240
What? Oh, I'm sorry.
885
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,920
I know something that you lot
don't know.
886
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,760
I'm so sorry. I probably should have
put this clip in the show earlier.
887
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,480
I knew this, I should have shown you
as well.
888
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,920
Well, my son's Duncan James
and he is in a band called Blue.
889
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,600
LAUGHTER
890
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,520
Oh, yeah, he's in the pigging show
all right!
891
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,840
Fiona's son Duncan James is in
the hit show Legally Blonde.
892
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,480
He's not just in the show,
he's on the poster!
893
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,480
He's the star of the bloody show!
894
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,840
And yet for the last 57 minutes
of television,
895
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,840
you have asked me
to emotionally invest in
896
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,440
the idea that this woman is selling
her things in order
897
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,920
to afford a ticket to the theatre.
898
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,400
And only now do you reveal it is
to go
899
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,600
and see her presumably-millionaire
pop star son!
900
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,760
And you are seriously asking me
901
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,560
to imagine that he can't score his
mother pigging tickets?
902
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,960
I am not sure how West End
contracts work,
903
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,680
but I know I can get tickets
for my mum. Can't I, mum?
904
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,400
LAUGHTER
905
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,480
Yes. Of course I can.
APPLAUSE
906
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,440
You see?
907
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,440
And I'm sorry for swearing, Mum,
908
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,800
but this sort of nonsense drives me
909
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,200
to fucking distraction.
910
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,000
In a world where people get
upset that
911
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,720
the people on TV aren't
famous enough,
912
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,040
you'd think the producers would
913
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,960
want to mention that he's in
the show,
914
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,000
in the show's description,
wouldn't you?
915
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,880
Get a few more eyeballs on it.
But no.
916
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,960
They forgot to mention that
didn't they?
917
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,680
That is not a fair description
of this show.
918
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,480
This show should be described
like this.
919
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,680
"Inglis. Fiona Inglis,
920
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:05,160
"who is the mother of Duncan James
from Blue,
921
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,000
"sells some stuff she may or
922
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,360
"may not have owned...
LAUGHTER
923
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,320
"..at auction,
924
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,040
"and then takes her pet sitter...
925
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,640
"..and her pets to the theatre
926
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,000
"to watch Duncan because
that's free."
LAUGHTER
927
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,880
That would be a fair description of
the show.
928
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,680
And do you know what?
929
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:31,400
As weird as that sounds,
930
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,320
I think more of us would have tuned
in as well
931
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,360
because that sounds
bloody delicious.
932
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,320
If there's any message in
tonight's show,
933
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,760
it is this.
934
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,680
And I say this with my hand on my
heart, ladies and gentlemen.
935
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:48,160
Can we please have
a bit more honesty in TV?
936
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,600
LAUGHTER
937
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,160
Thanks for watching. Good night.
938
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,200
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