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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,240 APPLAUSE 2 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,840 Hello, and welcome to Modern Life Is Goodish, 3 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,000 my name is Dave Gorman 4 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,480 and on tonight's show, I want to get my teeth into 5 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,760 an issue that, when we were last making a series, 6 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,440 wasn't even a real concern for most people. 7 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:49,680 Artificial Intelligence. 8 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,320 Now, you might expect me to have a cynical view of AI, 9 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,360 but, do you know what? 10 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,280 I actually think it's a really powerful tool. 11 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,120 You can even get it to write scripts for you these days 12 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,440 and this day's audience won't hardly notice the wiser. 13 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,560 LAUGHTER 14 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,640 AI's critics seem to come at it from two directions. 15 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,160 On the one hand it's an existential threat 16 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,840 to everyone's livelihood and on the other, 17 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,600 it's so stupid it doesn't know how many fingers we're supposed 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,520 to have, although, I'll be honest, 19 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,240 I've never really noticed that myself. 20 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,920 In my experience... APPLAUSE 21 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:25,840 In my experience it just doesn't appear 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,400 to be that intelligent. I'll give you an example. 23 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,440 Recently, I was in some holiday accommodation 24 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,160 with a small selection of DVDs. 25 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,560 One of them, the Mel Gibson thriller Ransom. 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,000 I was tasked with finding out whether this would be 27 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,840 an appropriate film to watch given 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,280 the age range of family members present. 29 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:44,640 Long story short, 30 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,640 I found myself at this website that 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,520 I don't think is written by humans. 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,800 I think it must be using AI to scrape the internet 33 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,600 for other people's writing. 34 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,640 It definitely gets things wrong. 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,200 Here's the plot summary for this version of Ransom. 36 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,640 "A retired lieutenant colonel tries to raise £950 37 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,480 for two flights to East Africa". 38 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,120 I can tell you that Mel Gibson's character isn't 39 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,960 a retired lieutenant colonel, but more to the point, 40 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,680 it's not just wrong, 41 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,120 it's wrong in a way that any human being 42 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,760 would immediately know is wrong. 43 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,240 I think £950 is a clue, isn't it? 44 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,360 Here's a still from the film. 45 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,080 He is surrounded by what are clearly US dollars 46 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:31,280 and I'm going to go out on a limb here 47 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,600 and say that is more than £950 worth, isn't it? 48 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:41,240 I mean why would any ransom ever be £950, anyway? 49 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,880 The one thing hostage takers don't normally do with 50 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:47,120 the ransom is knock a bit off to make it sound like a bargain. 51 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,840 I have no idea where it found this sentence, 52 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,560 maybe we'll never know, but I do know that it is wrong. 53 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,120 What's worrying about AI, I suppose, 54 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,960 is that even though it's demonstrably awful, 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,720 businesses are still using it. 56 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,760 They would rather have a shit thing for free than pay 57 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,880 a person to do it properly. 58 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:11,880 It makes me realise that I think maybe London cabbies were 59 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:13,280 the canaries in the coal mine. 60 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,600 To have a licence to drive a London cab, 61 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:17,000 you have to do The Knowledge. 62 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,680 "There are thousands of streets 63 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,640 "and landmarks within a six mile radius of Charing Cross. 64 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,040 "Anyone who wants to drive 65 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,280 "an iconic London cab must memorise them all." 66 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,960 It normally takes people 67 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,360 three to four years to do it. What a feat of memory that is. 68 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,000 It came as no surprise when 69 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,840 a cabbie won Mastermind in 1980. Anyone remember the name? 70 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,120 Fred Housego. 71 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,720 Absolutely. I might as well have said, 72 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,280 "Who here is over 50?" LAUGHTER 73 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,640 Every one of them remembers the name 74 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,120 Fred Housego. 75 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,760 Incidentally, young people, 76 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,240 that isn't a sepia-tinted black and white photo 77 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,720 that is what life looked like in 78 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,920 Britain in glorious technicolour back in the day. 79 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:02,320 Imagine having a skill set built up 80 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,640 over three to four years and then being undercut 81 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,200 by any old sausage with a sat nav. 82 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:09,840 And maybe we should have taken 83 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,800 the taxi drivers' side on this, but we didn't, 84 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,040 most of us just went, "Ooh, cheaper taxis". 85 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,160 I appreciate, incidentally, 86 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,800 this is a very London-centric view of things. 87 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:20,000 If you live outside of London, the arrival of 88 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,640 the sat nav has almost certainly improved your taxi experience. 89 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,440 Something happened about six years ago that really showed me how 90 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,480 London-centric things can be. 91 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,680 What it is, is... 92 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,640 I moved out of London. 93 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,080 Leaving London is like leaving a cult. 94 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,520 Those who remain in the cult are unable 95 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,800 to acknowledge that life can meaningfully exist on 96 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:43,120 the outside. 97 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,680 In London, the East End was always my patch. 98 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,240 This is how closed minded some Londoners can be. 99 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:51,680 One of my London mates, Nev, a proper Cockney, 100 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,480 Nev, born and bred, born within the sound of Bowlegs, 101 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,640 his mum had rickets, lot of poverty in the old East End, 102 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,360 I told him we were moving. 103 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:00,520 He asked where to, 104 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,680 and I told him we are moving to Bournemouth. 105 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,560 And his first words were, 106 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,480 "What tube line is that on?" 107 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,360 LAUGHTER 108 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,200 I said it's not on a tube line, we're leaving London. 109 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,000 He said, what are you doing that for? 110 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,600 I said, "We want to be nearer to the grandparents." 111 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,560 He said, "Why don't you make the grandparents move to London?" 112 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,480 I knew after about six months that it had been 113 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,160 a good move for us. Do you know why? 114 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,960 Because in those first six months, 115 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,040 we had more nights out... 116 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,600 ..in London... LAUGHTER 117 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,600 ..than we'd had in the entire two years before it. 118 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,320 And when I say more, I mean two more 119 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:37,520 and when I say two more, 120 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:38,560 I mean two. 121 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,520 A few weeks after we'd moved 122 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,280 I mentioned it on Twitter as it was then, 123 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,400 and it was fascinating to see the reaction. 124 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,600 It's that sort of, "I know one thing about Bournemouth 125 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,040 "and I'm now going to do the joke that I think I'm supposed to do" reaction. 126 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,200 A lot of "Are you retiring? 127 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,840 "Retiring to the seaside. Are you just waiting for God?" 128 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,000 Et cetera, et cetera. 129 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,080 And I know where they're coming from. 130 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,360 I don't take offence. 131 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,240 I understand that's how British people relate 132 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:06,920 to one another. But at the same time, 133 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,320 it's not really an effective way of teasing someone going, 134 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,280 "Ha-ha-ha, you moved to a town full of old people," 135 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,760 when the reason we moved there was to be near 136 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,040 to some old people. Of course, 137 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,840 some people served their banter 138 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,920 with what I would describe as a side salad of pompous. 139 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,960 "I'm sorry, but I'm with Oscar Wilde on this. 140 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,160 "When you're tired of London, you're tired of life. 141 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:35,920 "Hashtag. Just sayin." 142 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,200 Two things here. Number one, 143 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,800 I do not believe that Oscar Wilde would ever have used 144 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:42,360 the hashtag "Just sayin." 145 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,840 Number two that is not an Oscar Wilde quote, 146 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,920 that is a Samuel Johnson quote. 147 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,160 The full quote is as follows "You find no man, 148 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,720 "at all intellectual, who is willing to leave London. 149 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,680 "No, sir. When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life, 150 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,080 "for there is in London all that life can afford." 151 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,680 I'm not sure that taking one man's opinion from nearly 250 years ago 152 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,560 and presenting it as an immutable fact for all people for all time 153 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,400 is a great way of constructing an argument, is it? 154 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,240 I too can pluck some words 155 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,560 that somebody else once said hundreds of years ago. 156 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,200 And my argument is going to be, 157 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,960 "Oh, I do like to be beside the seaside. 158 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,080 "Oh, I do like to be beside the sea. 159 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,240 "Oh, I do like to stroll along the prom prom prom, 160 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,440 "where the brass bands play..." 161 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,280 AUDIENCE:Tiddly om pom pom. 162 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,280 Exactly. I've got an argument people can join in with. 163 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,240 I think that means I win in the court of popular opinion. 164 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,400 This is an incredible way to respond. 165 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,720 "Why would anyone want to be surrounded by old people? 166 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,480 "Ugh, makes my skin crawl just thinking about it." 167 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,400 Well, good luck for your future, my friend. 168 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,680 "Look at what you're letting yourself in for". 169 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,200 Now this chap had attached some pictures to his tweet 170 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,360 and I need to expand them before we can appreciate 171 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:00,800 the rest of his words. 172 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,280 They were population trend graphs for the East London 173 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:05,600 and Bournemouth postcodes. 174 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,240 He's taken them from a website called PlumPlot.co.uk, 175 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,880 which is one of those weird URLs where you're never quite sure 176 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,120 where the break in the word is supposed to be, are you? 177 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,440 That could be plum plot 178 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,960 or it could be plump lot. 179 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,160 You just don't know, do you? 180 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,840 It's like that time that Tim Vine - king of the puns, 181 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,200 appeared on Lorraine one morning 182 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,720 and they gave him the hashtag Britain's Pun King. 183 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,480 I need to confess by the way, that's not real. 184 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,680 I Photoshopped that, I'm just being silly, 185 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,720 it was actually, I know it was King of the One Liner. 186 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,880 You obviously can't do that at quarter to nine in the morning, 187 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,760 there's too many people with a yoghurt on the go. 188 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,680 Anyway, 189 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,960 these are the particular graphs that my correspondent was tweeting about 190 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,480 and now that you know that I can show you 191 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,040 the rest of his words. 192 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,840 "Look at what you're letting yourself in for. 193 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,480 "East London's a Christmas tree. 194 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,640 "Bournemouth's an urn." 195 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:01,920 LAUGHTER 196 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,320 That is not how graphs work! 197 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,320 It's not about whether they paint 198 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,000 a pretty picture or not, is it? 199 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,520 It's about what the data tells you. 200 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:13,120 You can't compare these two graphs 201 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,480 because you're not comparing like with like. 202 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,440 They've both got the same vertical axis going up in ten yearly age brackets, 203 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,600 but they have different horizontal axes. 204 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,320 That East London graph goes out 205 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,400 to 200,000 women in that direction 206 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,520 and 200,000 men in that direction, 207 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:31,720 whereas the Bournemouth graph only extends to 50,000 people. 208 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,200 To make these charts comparable, 209 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,000 we have to make them both go out to 200,000. 210 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,240 And that changes the middle of the Bournemouth graph 211 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,280 to look like that. 212 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,160 Now Bournemouth is a lighthouse, 213 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,120 a beautiful, picturesque coastal scene. 214 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,120 Whereas East London is a hypodermic syringe. 215 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,280 But of course, it's not about the pictures, 216 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,000 is it? It's about what the data actually tells you. 217 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:57,880 Let's consider my place on these charts. 218 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,600 I was in my 40s when I moved and I am now in my 50s. 219 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:06,400 So, in east London, I was one of 78,677 men. 220 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,240 And had we stayed. 221 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,240 I would have become one of 58,558 men. 222 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,520 In other words, ladies and gentlemen, 223 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:20,880 in East London, I only had a 74% chance of survival. 224 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:29,920 In Bournemouth I became one of a group of 36,414 men 225 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,640 and I am now one of 42,791. 226 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:36,440 It's hardly surprising I made it into my 50s ladies and gentlemen, 227 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,880 because moving to Bournemouth gave me 228 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,400 a 118% chance of survival. 229 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:41,960 I'm not quite sure how this works, 230 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,840 but if we keep moving I'm pretty sure I can live forever. 231 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,240 I'll see you after the break. 232 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,840 APPLAUSE 233 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,520 Welcome back to Modern Life Is Goodish. 234 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:06,240 Now earlier, I was showing you people's tweets about me moving 235 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,240 to Bournemouth - but I held one back 236 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:09,680 because I think it's a doozy. 237 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,200 I think one person in particular is going to find 238 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,960 the first line especially funny. 239 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,400 "You will be running back to London in no time." Yeah? 240 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,440 The one person who I know thinks it's hilarious? 241 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,320 Is him. LAUGHTER 242 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,800 "In London all the celebrities hang out together. 243 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,560 "You won't enjoy hanging out with all us normals. 244 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,600 "Where you gonna find celebrity friends in Bournemouth?" 245 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,720 There's so much to unpack here. 246 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,840 One, he thinks I'm a real celebrity. 247 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,240 Two, he thinks all the celebrities hang out together. 248 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,720 Three, if he's one of the normals I won't want to hang out with, 249 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,880 does that mean that he lives in Bournemouth? 250 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,120 And if he is a Bournemouth resident then he should know 251 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,760 the answer to his question, shouldn't he? 252 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,560 It's obvious where I'm going to find celebrity friends 253 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,320 to hang out with in Bournemouth, isn't it? 254 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,600 I'm going to find them at the Hotel Celebrity. 255 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,720 Why else would it be called 256 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,560 the Hotel Celebrity if it isn't where all 257 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,200 the celebs hang out? That's how it works, isn't it? 258 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,240 If you're in Plymouth and you want to meet a celebrity, 259 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,760 you'd go and get your nails done at Celebrities Nails, 260 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,120 yeah, that's how it works. 261 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,080 If you're in Liverpool and you want to meet a celebrity, 262 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,880 go and get your photos taken at Celebrity Images, 263 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,720 that's how it works. It's obvious, isn't it? 264 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,840 Actually, this is another quite good use of AI. 265 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,680 You can see that they've blurred the face of this woman. 266 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,960 I have used AI to unblur it and look, 267 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,320 it's Meryl Streep. LAUGHTER 268 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,040 The Hotel Celebrity claims 269 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,120 to be Europe's Premiere Celebrity Themed Hotel 270 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,560 and I suspect they're right 271 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,840 because every single room is themed around 272 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,520 a different celebrity, 273 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:44,520 and I knew that when I first looked at their website 274 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:47,200 and saw that mosaic and I thought, well, 275 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,520 presumably they've got 160 rooms 276 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:51,200 and they've represented everyone they've themed 277 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,160 a room around in this mosaic. 278 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,400 Then I did a deeper dive into the website 279 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:00,120 and I discovered, they claim to have 59 clean celebrity themed rooms. 280 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,800 Which does raise the tantalising prospect... LAUGHTER 281 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,680 ..of there being 101 filthy celebrity themed rooms. 282 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:14,520 "Yes, Sir, the filthy Angelina Jolie room is surprisingly popular". 283 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:16,840 I don't think you get to choose your celebrity, 284 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,720 but I think based on this selection, 285 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,320 I personally would be going for Bowie. 286 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,960 That'd be exciting, wouldn't it? I love a bit of Bowie. 287 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,240 A man who reinvented himself so many times. 288 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,840 I think everyone has 289 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,800 a different version of David Bowie in their head. 290 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,120 Now, just create in your own mind's eye what you think is 291 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,920 the perfect hotel bedroom themed on your David Bowie. 292 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,160 I am not scared of how amazing your creations are, 293 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,160 because I know that I'm still going to show you 294 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,360 something that will blow your freaking mind. 295 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,640 Keep what you've created right up front. 296 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:51,000 Now, imagine putting the key in the door 297 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,200 and throwing it wide to reveal... 298 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,200 LAUGHTER ..the David Bowie Room at 299 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,960 the Hotel Celebrity! 300 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,320 Representing his much less well-remembered MDF phase. 301 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,640 You can't look at that and not think of David Bowie, can you? 302 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:09,920 It's like his music is already playing in your head. 303 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,840 # There's a starman waiting in the sky 304 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,200 # He'd like to come and meet us 305 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,680 # But he thinks he'd blow our minds... # 306 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,480 That is not a David Bowie themed room! 307 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,760 that is a bloody Travelodge! What are they doing? 308 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,720 Now, look, I should be fair here, 309 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,000 I have looked at every single photo on TripAdvisor 310 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,360 and I can tell you, 311 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,720 there is evidence of Bowie in this room. 312 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,440 There are two posters of him on that wall 313 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,600 and there are two posters of him on that wall. 314 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,640 That is not a David Bowie themed room! 315 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,480 That is a David Bowie fan themed room, 316 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,720 if the fan's parents have got very strict Blu-tac protocols. 317 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,920 There are other details in these rooms. 318 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,480 Imagine you've turned up late at night. 319 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,560 It's gone midnight, you've had a skinful - you're with your partner, 320 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,000 you don't care whose room you're in, you just want some kip. 321 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,440 You wake up at four in the morning needing a wee 322 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,000 because you're a man in your 50s 323 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,760 and that's how it bloody works these days. 324 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,600 You don't want to wake up your partner. 325 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,040 You're feeling your way in the dark. 326 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,800 Eventually you find the door. 327 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,840 You can't turn that light on until you've shut the door, can you? 328 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,120 Oh, I hope it's not a squeaker. 329 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,320 HE IMITATES DOOR CREAKING 330 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,240 Only now can you pull that little cord. 331 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,320 And when you do, you are greeted by... 332 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,400 You'd shit yourself, wouldn't you?! LAUGHTER 333 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,400 I'm sure many people will be 334 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,240 wondering what they're doing even having 335 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,040 a Michael Jackson room in the first place, 336 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,680 but given that they have, 337 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,120 I do wonder why the Michael Jackson room is 338 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,600 a twin when Jedward's a single. LAUGHTER 339 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,440 There isn't really a Jedward room. I made that one up, 340 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:52,680 and I am sorry, I am sorry, 341 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,800 I always tell you immediately if I'm telling you 342 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,080 a little fib, I'm just being silly. 343 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,840 That is actually the Ken Dodd room. 344 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,440 And it's not actually a single, that's just one corner of the room, 345 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,920 because that's also the Ken Dodd room, 346 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,280 that's also the Ken Dodd room, and so is that. 347 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,640 Now, here's my point. 348 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,760 If you are running a hotel themed on celebrities, 349 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,400 you owe it to yourself as a business decision 350 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,480 to remove your personal taste in celebrities from this experience. 351 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,720 This is a hotel. 352 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,200 Anyone on earth could come and stay there. 353 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,080 I think you need to be choosing celebrities who transcend 354 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,400 culture and time. 355 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,400 Certain people have become avatars for 356 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,960 the concept of celebrity. I think Charlie Chaplin, 357 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,640 Muhammad Ali, Marilyn Monroe, 358 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,120 Elvis Presley are names that almost anyone on Earth would recognise. 359 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,720 Now, I'm a man in my 50s 360 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,040 and I'm British so of course I know who Ken Dodd is. 361 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,000 And as it happens, I bloomin' love Ken Dodd. 362 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,880 But I wouldn't expect half of you 363 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,680 to know who Ken Dodd is. 364 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,920 Imagine being Spanish. 365 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,440 Ken Dodd's work can't have reached the continent, can it? 366 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,000 Now, I live in Bournemouth, trust me, 367 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,080 lot of German and Spanish tourists in the summer. 368 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,080 Imagine a Spanish couple turning up at this hotel, 369 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,480 asking for a family room. 370 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,400 And you give them the Ken Dodd Room. 371 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,640 Those children are going to be utterly bamboozled. 372 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,000 And so are the parents. 373 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,320 Where's little Pedro going to sleep? 374 00:17:12,360 --> 00:17:14,080 He's five. He's your youngest, 375 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:16,880 little Pedro is going to be in that bed there, isn't he? 376 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,240 Maybe you'll have a furtive game of cards around that table before 377 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,840 retiring to your own beds later on that night. 378 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,600 Little Pedro is going to wake up first, isn't he? 379 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,960 About 5:00 in the morning, if memory serves. 380 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,880 The first thing little Pedro sees 381 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,480 when he wakes up in that bed, 382 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,440 is going to be that, isn't it? 383 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,160 And I say to you ladies and gentlemen, 384 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,560 no child on Earth, but especially not one without 385 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,520 a single mental hat peg on which to hang 386 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,200 the notion of Ken Dodd's existence, 387 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,000 should ever wake up on any given morning 388 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,120 and have the first thing they see be that. 389 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,040 LAUGHTER 390 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,240 That is just not right! 391 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,200 I think we all need a moment 392 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,800 to think about what we've done here. 393 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,640 I'll see you after the break. 394 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,040 APPLAUSE 395 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,960 APPLAUSE 396 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,080 Welcome back to Modern Life Is Goodish, 397 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:18,760 now for anyone who's just tuning in, 398 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,200 earlier on we were talking about celebrity abuse. 399 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,800 By which I don't mean the abuse of celebrities, 400 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,600 I mean the abuse of the word celebrity. 401 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,640 Things that use the word celebrity when they have no real connection 402 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,040 to actual celebrities things like this and this and this. 403 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,440 High five, mate, yeah, absolutely. High six, fella, high six. 404 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,320 That landed, didn't it? 405 00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:47,280 If you've ever watched a celebrity show on TV and had that thought, 406 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,080 "Celebrities? I've never bloomin' heard of them, 407 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:50,960 these aren't celebrities." Give me a little cheer. 408 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,920 AUDIENCE CHEER 409 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,960 Yeah, before we had influencers and YouTubers 410 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,960 and The Only Way Is Essex reality stars, 411 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,680 we used to have proper celebs, didn't we? 412 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,000 People who'd trod the boards and learned their craft the hard way, 413 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,960 You kind of, you... I know, I could feel you went for that, sir. 414 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,560 You're connecting with me emotionally on this, aren't you? 415 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,080 What's your name there, fella? Steven. 416 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:10,240 Steven, yeah. 417 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,440 You've watched those shows and gone ,"I've never heard of..." 418 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,840 you've watched that, haven't you? I have. 419 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,320 You have, haven't you? Do you know what mate, 420 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:17,960 Steven, you're wrong and you've made a complete fool of yourself there. 421 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,480 Not just you, everyone. We're all wrong, 422 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:22,720 me included. 423 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,000 That was a lazy joke based on flawed logic and I should 424 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,120 know better than to tell it to you, ladies and gentlemen. 425 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,040 You're not alone though, don't worry about it. 426 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,920 Any time any celebrity-based show appears on TV these days loads 427 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,160 of people make the complaint that they're not proper celebrities 428 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:38,880 because they've never heard of them. 429 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,200 And it's an attitude that is often 430 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,440 accompanied by posts like this featuring Bruce Forsyth 431 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,920 and Roy Castle. Now look, the video attached here is amazing. 432 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,000 They both play the xylophone, Roy plays the flute, 433 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,440 Brucie the piano, they tap dance, 434 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,800 they sing scat jazz - it is a tour-de-force from 435 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,720 a bygone age and I have nothing 436 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,600 but admiration for their talents. 437 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,280 But this, "There was a time when you had 438 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,640 "to be multi-talented to make it on TV" 439 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,840 is simply not true. That is a lie. 440 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,120 I think it is a lie that Boomers tell themselves 441 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,240 because they need to believe that they grew up in 442 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,600 a world that rewarded merit and talent 443 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,240 and that you come from an ephemeral world of frippery and nonsense 444 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,400 because if they can convince themselves that that's true, 445 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,600 they don't have to feel guilty about 446 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,800 the fact that they could afford to buy 447 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,880 a house whereas you have to wait for them to die. 448 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,120 LAUGHTER 449 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,640 There have always, 450 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,000 always been people who have become celebrities 451 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,720 for no reason other than 452 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,640 the British public just kind of liked them. 453 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,880 I'll give you an example. 454 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,120 LAUGHTER Fred Housego. 455 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,240 And I know, some of you are immediately thinking, 456 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,000 "Well he wasn't really that famous." But he was. 457 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,680 And I've already proved he was. 458 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,680 More than 40 years after he won Mastermind, 459 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,320 everyone in this room over 460 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:56,480 the age of 50 remembers his name. 461 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,240 Because he had a pretty big career in TV 462 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,600 and radio after it. 463 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,160 In 1981, he was voted TV Personality of the Year. 464 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,720 Woman Magazine was asking 'Has Fame Spoilt Fred Housego?' 465 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,640 LAUGHTER I'll give you another example 466 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,760 of someone who was famous back in the day 467 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,360 for no reason other than people 468 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,800 liked him. Anyone remember that name? 469 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,000 Ted Moult. 470 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,160 Ted Moult. Loads of you. There you go famous. 471 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,480 Ted Moult was a farmer who became 472 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,680 a TV and radio personality. 473 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,000 I think to my generation, he's probably best remembered 474 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,000 for the many adverts that he did, yeah? 475 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,080 He'd be the pitchman, 476 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:34,320 front and centre telling you about the product. 477 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:37,080 He was basically an influencer. 478 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:41,120 Ted Moult's TV career is so vast it is almost impossible 479 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,360 to fit his whole IMDB page on one screen. 480 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,560 But it starts in 1958 on What's My Line 481 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,240 and ends in 1986 with the Kenny Everett Television Show 482 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,040 and do you know what was the springboard to his fame? 483 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,160 Like Fred, it was a quiz show. 484 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,000 Only this was on the radio. 485 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,840 Ted Moult first came to the public's attention on 486 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,600 the BBC Radio general knowledge quiz, 487 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,840 Brain Of Britain. And some of you are thinking well, 488 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,240 winning a quiz is a demonstration of his talent. 489 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,760 But he didn't win it. 490 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,520 He got knocked out in the first round. LAUGHTER 491 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,960 I think that is that side of the argument dealt with, 492 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,800 now let's deal with this. 493 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,280 It feels like a reasonable stance, doesn't it? 494 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,600 If a celebrity is someone that you've heard of, 495 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,880 it stands to reason that someone you 496 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,960 haven't heard of is not a celebrity. 497 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,160 But this is a false equation, isn't it? 498 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,440 A celebrity isn't someone that you have heard of. 499 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,560 It's someone that people have heard of. 500 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,440 The mistake you made earlier, Steven, 501 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,960 is in believing that you are people. LAUGHTER 502 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,480 It used to be the same thing. As a kid you and I, 503 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,600 we'd pretty much heard of everyone that our mums 504 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,440 and dads had heard of and they'd heard of everyone that we'd heard of. 505 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,240 And do you know why? Because we didn't have any choice. 506 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,120 In the 1970s we only had three TV channels. 507 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,640 Do you know how many TV channels there are today? 508 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,440 Nobody knows. LAUGHTER 509 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,400 It's literally an unknowable fact. 510 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,120 I think it's hard for young people 511 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,560 to understand how little choice there was. 512 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,520 You had three channels and in most households, 513 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,160 only one TV. No video recorder, no laptop, 514 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,240 no iPad, no phone. 515 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,080 You had no other screen and so what was on, 516 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,640 was what you watched. And sometimes, 517 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,880 there was nothing on. 518 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,080 There were times in my childhood where I spent half 519 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:31,040 an hour watching that. LAUGHTER 520 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,640 I can explain it best with this diagram. 521 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,000 This serves two purposes. One, it is a subliminal ad 522 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,280 for the game, Twister. 523 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,600 But, two, it represents a family of four. 524 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,760 In the 1970s, with one screen in a house, the overlap 525 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,440 of their televisual knowledge looked something like this. 526 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,240 Nowadays, in our world of infinite choice, 527 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,000 every member of the family will watch their own 528 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,320 things on their own time on their own screens 529 00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:59,120 and so it looks more like this. 530 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,920 So, when you complain that people aren't really celebrities 531 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,840 because you've never heard of them, 532 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,920 what you're really saying is that you think 533 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,720 the producers of Strictly ought to be booking those people. 534 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,960 LAUGHTER They're never 535 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,720 going to do Strictly. That's Tom Cruise, 536 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,200 that's Taylor Swift, 537 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,360 that's Paddington Bear. LAUGHTER 538 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,200 And those sorts of people were never on that sort of telly. 539 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,800 I loved Blankety Blank when I was a kid 540 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,240 but there isn't some golden age 541 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,160 of Blankety Blank where Terry Wogan's panel was made up 542 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,760 of De Niro, Windsor, Olivier, Stallone, 543 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,280 Heston and Onna. That never happened. 544 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,480 There was always a smattering of weathermen, 545 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,480 taxi drivers and farmers. 546 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,960 And when Fred or Ted or any of 547 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,480 the many others of their ilk appeared on the box, 548 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,480 nobody yelled, "He's not a celebrity, 549 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,240 "I've never even heard of him." Why? 550 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,800 Because everyone had heard of him. Why? 551 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,400 Because, for example, when Fred Housego won Mastermind, 552 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,960 there were 18 million viewers. 553 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,360 Why? Because there was nothing else on. 554 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,040 Case closed. APPLAUSE 555 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,040 I don't think there is any qualitative difference between, 556 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,840 say, Ted Moult being thrust into the limelight by 557 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,160 an appearance on a quiz show 558 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,920 and Joey Essex being on The Only Way Is Essex 559 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,040 and seizing his opportunity as well. 560 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,840 Good luck to Joey Essex. Whoever he is. 561 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,560 He is an interesting case actually. 562 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,800 The Only Way Is Essex has made him a bona fide star 563 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,160 with credits coming out of his wazoo and yet, 564 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,880 one of his most recent credits was for Love Island. 565 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,080 Not a Celebrity Love Island. Just Love Island. 566 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,480 That's a bit weird, isn't it? On Love Island, 567 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,640 the winning couple can make 50 grand between them and, 568 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,080 whatever you think of it as a show, 569 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:50,200 it is a bit weird pitching non-celebs against 570 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,800 a celeb when there's serious prize money at stake, isn't it? 571 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,960 Of course, it got a lot of headlines at the time. 572 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,000 A lot of people had a lot to say on the subject, 573 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,240 ladies and gentlemen. 574 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,400 Luckily for you... CHEERS 575 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,320 ..I read the comments sections on articles like these 576 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:09,040 so that you don't have to. 577 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,040 And I've taken my favourite of the comments 578 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,280 and turned them into something that I like to call 579 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,600 a found poem... CHEER 580 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,400 ..that I would like to perform for you now. 581 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,640 CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYS 582 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,280 All so-called reality shows are essentially popularity contests. 583 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,640 So, putting a celebrity in is basically cheating. 584 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,040 It's no different to a lympic runner taking steroids. 585 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,240 Shame on you Joey Essex. Shame on you. 586 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,120 The show is called Love Island 587 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,240 because it is filmed on the island of Mallorca. 588 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,480 What the producers fail 589 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,200 to realise is that Britain is also an island. 590 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,280 LAUGHTER 591 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,800 Nobody in Britain thinks that being an island is special 592 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,920 because we are one. LAUGHTER 593 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,080 This is sick. 594 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,360 Joey Essex is old enough to be the father 595 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,880 to some of those girls. 596 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,720 He should not be on there ogling them in their swimming costumes. 597 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,040 What are the BBC thinking? LAUGHTER 598 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,200 Love Island is not on the BBC. 599 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,880 I didn't say that it was. LAUGHTER 600 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,960 I simply asked what are the BBC thinking? 601 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,240 And I stand by that. 602 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:31,760 FFS. Why is this news? 603 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,080 Who is this for? 604 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:36,400 It is certainly not for me 605 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,920 and I intend to say no more on the matter. 606 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,920 It's not as if there aren't more important things 607 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,720 to get worked up about. 608 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,680 For instance... 609 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,000 ..when did it become 10p for a plastic bag? 610 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,840 I tuned in because I thought I liked Joey Essex. 611 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,840 But I was confusing him 612 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,480 with Stacey Solomon's husband. LAUGHTER 613 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,280 He is also called Joe. But, to my surprise, 614 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,040 he turns out to be someone else entirely. 615 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,280 I think the producers could have made more of an effort 616 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,720 to make this clear to people. 617 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,840 As I can't be the only one who fell for this trick. 618 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,520 Not cool, BBC, not cool. 619 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,480 Mate, 620 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,200 the youngest contestant on there is 21. 621 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,040 Joey Essex is 33. 622 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,960 33 minus 21 is roughly ten or something. 623 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,920 LAUGHTER 624 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,840 I don't think many people become dads at ten. 625 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,680 Good maths. 626 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,440 Can't wait to see your comment on one 627 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,960 of Dave Gorman's poems. LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE 628 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:13,240 May the 21st, 2021... 629 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,240 ..is when it became 10p for a plastic bag. 630 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,280 I thank you. LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE 631 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,600 MUSIC STOPS The Billroth String Quartet! 632 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,960 Ladies and gentlemen, see you after the break. 633 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,560 APPLAUSE 634 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,120 APPLAUSE 635 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,520 Welcome back to Modern Life Is Goodish, 636 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,640 ladies and gentlemen, 637 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,880 where we have been discussing notions of celebrity. 638 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,160 It seems odd to me that people will complain about someone they've never 639 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,920 heard of doing Strictly when they must know by now that sometimes, 640 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,040 it's the least well-known people who 641 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,920 turn out to be the most popular. 642 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,760 To me, the most obvious proof that 643 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,920 the most famous person isn't always 644 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,920 the best person can be found, 645 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,720 like so many things in life, 646 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,360 by analysing Cash In The Attic. LAUGHTER 647 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,960 I don't mean the Channel 5 reboot, 648 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,200 I mean classic BBC Cash In the Attic, 649 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,240 all 586 episodes of it. 650 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,480 You can't make that many shows without using several presenters, 651 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,720 and on Attic, the roll call of presenters included some true titans 652 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,200 of British broadcasting. Rippon, Fogle, 653 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,240 Hunniford, Jones and Bond, Jennie Bond. 654 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,200 And yet, I would suggest that 655 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,920 the Queen of Cash In The Attic was always Lorne Spicer. 656 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,920 It's one particular word that she does especially well. 657 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,880 Here is a bit of a pre-title sequence for you from Lorne. 658 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,560 Nowadays, we're all inheriting 659 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,720 lots of stuff from our parents, but... 660 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,920 It's that last word, "but." 661 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,400 She makes it sound like 662 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,440 a duck quacking. "But?" Here it is in isolation. 663 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,360 But...Yes, good, isn't it? 664 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,920 I've got an even bigger one for you. 665 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,040 But...Ooooh, love it! 666 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,400 I like big buts and I cannot lie. LAUGHTER 667 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,480 A big but like that is really useful for a TV presenter. 668 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,360 It's used to lead the viewer onto the next idea, 669 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,560 and to distract you from 670 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,480 the fact that what they've just said was utter gibberish. 671 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,880 Look I'll show you again. 672 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,560 Nowadays, we're all inheriting 673 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,720 lots of stuff from our parents, but... 674 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,520 What does that even mean? 675 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,240 "Nowadays, we're all inheriting lots of stuff from our..." Are we? 676 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,640 LAUGHTER Is that a new thing? 677 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,440 Has that started happening nowadays? 678 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,880 In the past, was everyone buried in a pyramid 679 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,400 with all their worldly goods? LAUGHTER 680 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,320 It's nonsense and you don't notice it because of the. 681 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,280 But...Yeah. 682 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,120 Just whisks you around the corner and away. 683 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,360 And what is around that corner? 684 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,720 But when we become parents ourselves, 685 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,160 and the children have literally flown the nest... 686 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,640 Not literally. LAUGHTER 687 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,720 Figuratively, Lorne. Figuratively. 688 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,400 APPLAUSE 689 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,760 There's the nonsense 690 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,320 you know what won't be far behind, don't you? 691 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,480 They have a tendency to leave a lot of stuff behind. 692 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,080 Yeah, and look at it forming on her lips ready. 693 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,200 But in some cases, that can be beneficial. 694 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,640 Yeah, in some cases it can be beneficial. 695 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,720 As we'll find out with the items we're looking at, 696 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,920 later today, on Cash In The Attic. 697 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,320 And then off she goes into the title sequence. 698 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,040 And of course, we will emerge from the title sequence 699 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,040 to find out which part of Hertfordshire 700 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,280 we're visiting this week. LAUGHTER 701 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,760 TITLE MUSIC PLAYS 702 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,760 Well, I've come to St Albans in Hertfordshire to meet 703 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,040 a lovely lady who's called in the Cash In The Attic team 704 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,280 to help her get a day out at a top London musical. 705 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,320 And that little lyrical sentence there, 706 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,360 "To help her get a day out at a top London musical," 707 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,520 that is the reason I bloody love Cash In The Attic. 708 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,120 That is the sentence that defines its place in 709 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,240 the hierarchy of the antiques shows. 710 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,360 You've got your Sunday teatime, Antiques Roadshow, 711 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,560 where someone is there with a grandfather clock, 712 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,920 and the expert says, "Oh. I think this is worth between 713 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,000 "£70,000 and £90,000." 714 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,840 And he doesn't say, 715 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,240 "What are you going to spend the money on?" LAUGHTER 716 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,400 Instead, he says, "Oh, you'll have to get your insurance 717 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,240 "adjusted for that now, won't you?" And we all assume we're watching 718 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,280 the kind of person who can take a £70,000 clock home, 719 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,600 put it back in the hallway, 720 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,840 and then carry on living their normal life. LAUGHTER 721 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,040 Other end of the spectrum, you've got daytime ITV, 722 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,800 where David Dickinson is helping a man sell 723 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,840 a signet ring so he can buy a bag of skag. 724 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,800 LAUGHTER Now, in the middle... 725 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,800 In the middle, you've got daytime BBC, 726 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,120 where they're gonna raise a significant sum of money. 727 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,280 On Cash in the Attic, it's normally between £1 and £3,000, 728 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,960 that's a significant sum, isn't it? 729 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,600 But no-one's going to give you a wodge of 50s at the end of that, 730 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,840 because money would appear vulgar on daytime BBC. 731 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,200 So instead, you have to declare at the start of 732 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,080 the show what you want to spend the money on, 733 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,640 and then we see it come to fruition at the end. 734 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,680 All of the old eps are still listed on the website. 735 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,680 They give them all a title and a description, 736 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,600 the title will be the punter's surname 737 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,920 and then the description normally tells you what they want to do with the money. 738 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,720 So the one we just saw Lorne introduce was this, 739 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,840 "Inglis. Fiona Inglis enlists Lorne Spicer 740 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,920 "and John Cameron to help raise money for a special trip." 741 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,160 I love these descriptions. 742 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,840 I love the ones that sound the dullest. 743 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,760 It's the fact that someone wrote them to go in 744 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,520 a TV listings mag in order to persuade you to watch, 745 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,960 and yet some of them sound like they were written by 746 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,160 Alan Bennett on an off day. 747 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,360 "Seymour. A couple try to raise enough money 748 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,440 to build a new garden fence." LAUGHTER 749 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,720 Sometimes I think they just sound a bit too exciting, 750 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,040 like this one. "Ransom. 751 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,040 "A retired lieutenant colonel... LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE 752 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,360 "..tries to raise £950 for two flights to East Africa." 753 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,720 That's where it came from! 754 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,240 That is where it came from. The one we were watching, 755 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,880 Inglis, is amazing. 756 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,400 There's always four characters in a Cash in the Attic. 757 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,360 You get your presenter and your expert 758 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,520 and then two punters. 759 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,400 Let's have a look at the two we're dealing 760 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,680 with on this particular episode, OK. 761 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,320 The lady in white, that is Fiona Inglis, it's her home 762 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,800 and her antiques we're going to be selling. 763 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,640 And then the slightly older lady in 764 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,480 the grey cardigan is here to help out. 765 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,920 Now, my first thought was that maybe this would turn out 766 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,840 to be Fiona's mother, don't worry. 767 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,320 Lorne is always going to get to the bottom of issues like this. 768 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,960 So how do you two know each other? 769 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,480 Yeah, how do you two know each other? 770 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,480 Well, Janice is my pet sitter. LAUGHTER 771 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,480 Pet sitter? 772 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,560 Has she become your friend while she's been doing that? 773 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,000 Because you seem rather keen on maintaining 774 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,880 the master-servant relationship here. 775 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,160 This is why I love this episode so much. 776 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,240 It's the British class system in a nutshell. 777 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,440 We're basically watching 778 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,160 Blackadder and Baldrick do Cash In The Attic. LAUGHTER 779 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,040 Of course, Lorne also needs 780 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,360 to find out what they're going to spend the money on. 781 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,360 I'd very much like to take Janice into London. 782 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,800 Yeah, you've never been to London before have you, Janice? 783 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,520 No, we only live 25 miles away but you've never been. 784 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,840 Little treat for Janice. That'd be nice, 785 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,240 wouldn't it? Nice, yeah, that'd be nice, yeah. 786 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,280 For the day and perhaps go and see a musical. 787 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,920 And look at how overwhelmed with gratitude Janice is. 788 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,280 She's never known the like, has she? 789 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,600 I'm being slightly disingenuous here. 790 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,520 She actually is exceedingly grateful. 791 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,640 Which you will see if 792 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,600 I run this clip on a little bit more. Here we go. 793 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,160 And I know she would love that, wouldn't you Janice? 794 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,480 That's nice, that's smashing, thank you. 795 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,880 You don't have to do that, though. Ah, no but you deserve it. 796 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,640 You really do. That's very kind, thank you. 797 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,480 Thank you, miss, you don't normally let me out the chimney, 798 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,720 miss, that's ever so kind of you. LAUGHTER 799 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,600 Thank you, I do appreciate it. Thank you ever so much. 800 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,480 That's ever so kind. I love this episode so much. 801 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,640 It's amazing. Now, I've always had 802 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,200 a sneaky suspicion that they don't just sell antiques that 803 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:46,960 they find in the home. 804 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,160 I think the production team might have a van parked down 805 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,720 the road with two or three interesting pieces in it. 806 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,760 Not expensive stuff, cheap stuff, just to guarantee they get a 807 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,560 sufficient antique-y content in the show. 808 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,800 I can't prove it, but I can show you 809 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,200 the sort of scene that has aroused my suspicion. 810 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:07,520 Is this of any interest at all? I found it downstairs. 811 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,640 It's not too bad. Where did it come from? 812 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,560 Now, the cheeky answer would be, "Downstairs. 813 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,440 "I just told you." But we all know what he really means is, 814 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,800 how did this come to be available for sale at the auction? 815 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,040 Now, on reflection you might think that 816 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,360 the pet-sitter is unlikely to know the answer. 817 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,200 How would a pet sitter happen to know 818 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,640 the provenance of any of the antiques found in 819 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,080 the home of the pets she sits? 820 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,640 But in this instance, 821 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,120 as luck would have it, Janice knows. 822 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,160 I think, well, Fiona and I got it at a 823 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,000 a car boot sale a few weeks back now. 824 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,400 I think if Janice had truly been at a car boot sale 825 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,760 with Fiona and witnessed that purchase she 826 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,040 would have sounded very confident in her answer. 827 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,280 I'll play it to you again 828 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,280 and you can decide if she sounds confident or if she sounds like 829 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,200 a producer has just asked her to, "Just pop upstairs 830 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:03,720 "and pretend you got this at a car boot sale, there's a love." 831 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,120 And she's still struggling to remember her lines. 832 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,120 Um, I think, well, Fiona and I got it at a 833 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,680 a car boot sale a few weeks back now. 834 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:16,120 It is only conjecture on my part, ladies and gentlemen, 835 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,960 and the important thing here is they did raise enough money 836 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,280 for their day out at the theatre. 837 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,080 Although, and I think the sharp-minded 838 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,760 of you will be ahead of me on this one. 839 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,640 There is going to be an issue here isn't there. 840 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,440 Given how these two women know each other, 841 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,600 if they both go to the theatre together, 842 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,280 that is going to raise certain logistical issues, isn't it? 843 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,560 With her auction money, 844 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,400 Fiona has brought her good friend Janice out for a day 845 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,960 to remember in London's West End. 846 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,360 I know some of you caught it, some of you didn't, 847 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,880 so here it is again in highlight form. 848 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,000 Out for a day to remember in London's West End. 849 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,040 Once more, zoomed in, and slo-mo. 850 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,440 LAUGHTER 851 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,040 She brought a dog and a cat! 852 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,680 To the theatre! LAUGHTER 853 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,720 What are you going to tell them, Fiona? "It's a guide dog?" 854 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,720 That won't wash, love, you're carrying it! 855 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,040 And what's Janice doing with a cat? 856 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,960 As a professional pet sitter, 857 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,120 she ought to know that cats are very independent animals. 858 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,840 You can leave them at home for hours, 859 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,120 they're absolutely fine, and, and I've tested this, 860 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,160 they don't like the theatre. LAUGHTER 861 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,120 What is she doing? 862 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,200 They can't possibly leave this unremarked on in the show. 863 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:27,800 Obviously, they have to talk about it. 864 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,360 This is Lula, this is my birthday present from my son 865 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,640 and I brought her with me today 866 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,440 because I couldn't leave her at home on her own. 867 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,960 Oh, I wonder why you couldn't leave her at home, Fiona. 868 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,760 Oh, yeah, because you've brought your pet sitter! 869 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,200 Is it just me or does that sound like she's having 870 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,320 a bit of a dig? 871 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,600 Your natural instinct is to look at the person talking. 872 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,440 I'll play it again and just keep your eyes on Janice, 873 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,760 I think there's a tiny flash of microaggression there. 874 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,680 Because I couldn't leave her at home on her own. 875 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,000 LAUGHTER 876 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,800 That's a face that says, "I know, and you haven't stopped bloody 877 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,000 "mentioning it all day long." 878 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,880 I love this episode so much. 879 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,080 And so, my son Duncan is going to look after her 880 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,920 in his dressing room for me while we go and watch the show. 881 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,760 LAUGHTER What...? What...? 882 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,120 What? 883 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,680 What do you mean? Duncan's in the...? 884 00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:27,240 What? Oh, I'm sorry. 885 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,920 I know something that you lot don't know. 886 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,760 I'm so sorry. I probably should have put this clip in the show earlier. 887 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,480 I knew this, I should have shown you as well. 888 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,920 Well, my son's Duncan James and he is in a band called Blue. 889 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,600 LAUGHTER 890 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,520 Oh, yeah, he's in the pigging show all right! 891 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,840 Fiona's son Duncan James is in the hit show Legally Blonde. 892 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,480 He's not just in the show, he's on the poster! 893 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,480 He's the star of the bloody show! 894 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,840 And yet for the last 57 minutes of television, 895 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,840 you have asked me to emotionally invest in 896 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,440 the idea that this woman is selling her things in order 897 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,920 to afford a ticket to the theatre. 898 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,400 And only now do you reveal it is to go 899 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,600 and see her presumably-millionaire pop star son! 900 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,760 And you are seriously asking me 901 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,560 to imagine that he can't score his mother pigging tickets? 902 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,960 I am not sure how West End contracts work, 903 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,680 but I know I can get tickets for my mum. Can't I, mum? 904 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,400 LAUGHTER 905 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,480 Yes. Of course I can. APPLAUSE 906 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,440 You see? 907 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,440 And I'm sorry for swearing, Mum, 908 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,800 but this sort of nonsense drives me 909 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,200 to fucking distraction. 910 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,000 In a world where people get upset that 911 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,720 the people on TV aren't famous enough, 912 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,040 you'd think the producers would 913 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,960 want to mention that he's in the show, 914 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,000 in the show's description, wouldn't you? 915 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,880 Get a few more eyeballs on it. But no. 916 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,960 They forgot to mention that didn't they? 917 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,680 That is not a fair description of this show. 918 00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,480 This show should be described like this. 919 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,680 "Inglis. Fiona Inglis, 920 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:05,160 "who is the mother of Duncan James from Blue, 921 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,000 "sells some stuff she may or 922 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,360 "may not have owned... LAUGHTER 923 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,320 "..at auction, 924 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,040 "and then takes her pet sitter... 925 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,640 "..and her pets to the theatre 926 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,000 "to watch Duncan because that's free." LAUGHTER 927 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,880 That would be a fair description of the show. 928 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,680 And do you know what? 929 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:31,400 As weird as that sounds, 930 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,320 I think more of us would have tuned in as well 931 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,360 because that sounds bloody delicious. 932 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,320 If there's any message in tonight's show, 933 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,760 it is this. 934 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,680 And I say this with my hand on my heart, ladies and gentlemen. 935 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:48,160 Can we please have a bit more honesty in TV? 936 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,600 LAUGHTER 937 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,160 Thanks for watching. Good night. 938 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,200 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 72200

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