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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,021 --> 00:00:06,021 DOWNLOADED FROM WWW.AWAFIM.TV 2 00:00:06,021 --> 00:00:08,421 [somber, haunting music playing] 3 00:00:29,501 --> 00:00:31,861 - [man chewing loudly] - [music subsides] 4 00:00:42,021 --> 00:00:44,861 {\an8}[young man on phone coughs] Morning, Dad. Um... 5 00:00:45,581 --> 00:00:47,941 {\an8}I have that bad stomach thing again. 6 00:00:48,741 --> 00:00:51,220 {\an8}-Could I have the day off school, please? - Fuck's sake. 7 00:00:51,221 --> 00:00:52,340 {\an8}[phone locks] 8 00:00:52,341 --> 00:00:53,861 {\an8}[grunts] Oh my God. 9 00:00:57,701 --> 00:00:58,821 {\an8}[man groans] 10 00:00:59,901 --> 00:01:00,901 {\an8}God. 11 00:01:01,421 --> 00:01:03,620 {\an8}- [officer 1] What's up with you? - [sighs] 12 00:01:03,621 --> 00:01:06,540 {\an8}I don't think apples are good for my stomach acid or something. 13 00:01:06,541 --> 00:01:07,940 {\an8}Why do you eat them, then? 14 00:01:07,941 --> 00:01:12,140 {\an8}Well, it's Tracy's idea. Instead of cigs. I'm getting through like six a day. 15 00:01:12,141 --> 00:01:13,820 {\an8}Ew, the full bushel. 16 00:01:13,821 --> 00:01:15,580 {\an8}- What's a bushel? - It's like the... It's a... 17 00:01:15,581 --> 00:01:17,820 {\an8}- It's kind of what you carry them in-- - Stop. Forget it. 18 00:01:17,821 --> 00:01:19,780 {\an8}Okay. Don't ask me, then. 19 00:01:19,781 --> 00:01:21,061 {\an8}Um... 20 00:01:22,941 --> 00:01:24,741 {\an8}- Do you wanna hear this? - Go on. 21 00:01:25,941 --> 00:01:28,741 {\an8}[son clears throat] Morning, Dad. Um... 22 00:01:29,581 --> 00:01:32,140 {\an8}-I have that bad stomach thing again. - [both chuckle] 23 00:01:32,141 --> 00:01:34,580 {\an8}- This guy. - What time is it? 6:00 a.m., that. 24 00:01:34,581 --> 00:01:36,500 {\an8}Commitment. Don't wanna go, does he? 25 00:01:36,501 --> 00:01:39,741 Yeah, he knows Tracy will say no, and I'm the soft touch. 26 00:01:40,261 --> 00:01:43,701 - What are you gonna reply? - Well, she'll sort it. He'll go. 27 00:01:44,381 --> 00:01:45,540 "Know thyself." 28 00:01:45,541 --> 00:01:47,021 - [officer 1] Mm-hmm. - [burps] 29 00:01:47,541 --> 00:01:50,620 - Disgusting. Fucking disgusting. Vile. - I'm so sorry. 30 00:01:50,621 --> 00:01:51,780 [exhales deeply] 31 00:01:51,781 --> 00:01:55,660 - Ugh, I can really smell that. - Sorry. [grunts] 32 00:01:55,661 --> 00:01:58,980 [woman on radio] Bravo Delta 4-0 to Bravo Delta 5-0, are you receiving? 33 00:01:58,981 --> 00:02:00,460 Yeah. Go ahead, Jo. 34 00:02:00,461 --> 00:02:02,780 Yeah. Confirming 10-51. Ready to go. Over. 35 00:02:02,781 --> 00:02:04,500 [static crackles on radio] 36 00:02:04,501 --> 00:02:08,620 Bravo Delta 5-0 to Bravo Delta 6-0. Are you ready to roll out? 37 00:02:08,621 --> 00:02:10,821 - [officer 2 on radio] Yep. Ready. - Received? 38 00:02:12,861 --> 00:02:14,300 - Let's go, Jo. Let's go. - Yep. 39 00:02:14,301 --> 00:02:15,420 [officer 3] Yeah. 40 00:02:15,421 --> 00:02:16,740 [engine starts] 41 00:02:16,741 --> 00:02:18,821 [tense music pulsing] 42 00:02:39,501 --> 00:02:41,501 [indistinct radio chatter] 43 00:02:49,781 --> 00:02:52,661 - [van door opens] - [tense music subsides] 44 00:02:58,301 --> 00:02:59,301 [officer 4] Go, go. 45 00:03:05,381 --> 00:03:07,820 - [officer 5] Police! On the floor! - [woman] What's going on? 46 00:03:07,821 --> 00:03:10,820 - [officer 5] Hands where I can see them! - Eddie! I've got two kids upstairs. 47 00:03:10,821 --> 00:03:12,260 [officer 6] Against the wall! 48 00:03:12,261 --> 00:03:15,060 - [officers shouting] - [Eddie] I haven't done anything. 49 00:03:15,061 --> 00:03:17,020 You've got the wrong house, I'm telling ya. 50 00:03:17,021 --> 00:03:20,460 - You're making a mistake. Where you going? - [officers shouting] 51 00:03:20,461 --> 00:03:22,821 [woman] What's going on? Why have you got guns? 52 00:03:23,461 --> 00:03:26,420 [officer 7] Police! Suspect found! Show me your hands! Hands in the air! 53 00:03:26,421 --> 00:03:29,860 - Get your hands in the fucking air! - [officer 1] Calm down, Mr. Miller. 54 00:03:29,861 --> 00:03:32,300 - [daughter] Dad! - [officer 8] Down on your knees! 55 00:03:32,301 --> 00:03:34,420 - Dad! - [officer 3] My name is D.I. Bascombe. 56 00:03:34,421 --> 00:03:36,740 I have a warrant to search your premises. Where's your son? 57 00:03:36,741 --> 00:03:38,740 - Where's your son? - He's in his bedroom! 58 00:03:38,741 --> 00:03:40,820 - What do you need me boy for? - Where is he? 59 00:03:40,821 --> 00:03:42,980 - [girl] Mum! - [Eddie] He's only a kid, mate! 60 00:03:42,981 --> 00:03:47,340 - [Mrs. Miller] You've got the wrong house! - Okay. Jamie Miller. 61 00:03:47,341 --> 00:03:50,660 The time is 6:15 a.m., 62 00:03:50,661 --> 00:03:52,620 and I'm arresting you on suspicion of murder. 63 00:03:52,621 --> 00:03:55,300 - You do not have to say-- - [Eddie] Hey! He hasn't done anything! 64 00:03:55,301 --> 00:03:57,140 - Mr. Miller! - [Eddie] You're making a mistake! 65 00:03:57,141 --> 00:04:01,421 I will arrest you for obstruction. Please stop. Please. 66 00:04:02,181 --> 00:04:04,260 I'm arresting you on suspicion of murder. 67 00:04:04,261 --> 00:04:07,420 You don't have to say anything, but it may harm your defense if you... 68 00:04:07,421 --> 00:04:08,900 Dad, I haven't done anything! 69 00:04:08,901 --> 00:04:10,180 ...mention something you rely on. 70 00:04:10,181 --> 00:04:11,940 Anything you say may be given in evidence. 71 00:04:11,941 --> 00:04:13,340 - Dad! - [Bascombe] You understand? 72 00:04:13,341 --> 00:04:14,660 - Do you understand? - Dad! 73 00:04:14,661 --> 00:04:17,540 - [Eddie] Tell him you understand, Jay! - [Bascombe] Do you understand? 74 00:04:17,541 --> 00:04:19,660 - All right, I understand. - [Bascombe] Okay, good. 75 00:04:19,661 --> 00:04:21,821 - [Mrs. Miller] What are they doing? - Get up slowly. 76 00:04:22,621 --> 00:04:25,380 Have you got anything in your pockets that may harm me or you? 77 00:04:25,381 --> 00:04:27,221 - [shakily] No. - [Bascombe] Okay. 78 00:04:28,221 --> 00:04:29,941 Do you want to change your trousers? 79 00:04:30,621 --> 00:04:31,620 [Jamie] Oh. 80 00:04:31,621 --> 00:04:32,900 - [Bascombe] Yeah. - [Jamie] Yeah. 81 00:04:32,901 --> 00:04:35,180 - Want me to get your dad? - Yes, please. 82 00:04:35,181 --> 00:04:36,461 Don't move. 83 00:04:38,181 --> 00:04:40,500 - Stand down, please. Stand down. - [officer 1] Stand down. 84 00:04:40,501 --> 00:04:42,620 [Bascombe] Mr. Miller, come. He's had an accident. 85 00:04:42,621 --> 00:04:44,580 - Hey? - [Bascombe] You need to help him, please. 86 00:04:44,581 --> 00:04:47,220 - You're okay, love. Jay? - [officer 1] Coming through. 87 00:04:47,221 --> 00:04:50,820 [Mrs. Miller] My kids are gonna be scared. I need to see me kids and me husband. 88 00:04:50,821 --> 00:04:52,861 - [officer 9] The parents' room? - [officer 10] Yeah. 89 00:04:53,861 --> 00:04:56,820 [dispatcher speaking on radio] 90 00:04:56,821 --> 00:04:58,100 [officer 9 grunts] 91 00:04:58,101 --> 00:05:01,741 [Bascombe] How are we doing, Mr. Miller? You need to be quick, please. Thank you. 92 00:05:03,701 --> 00:05:06,341 How are we doing? Are we good? Let's go. Let's go. 93 00:05:07,821 --> 00:05:09,660 Don't need your trainers. I've got slippers. 94 00:05:09,661 --> 00:05:11,700 - We'll get you in the van. - Can I come with ya? 95 00:05:11,701 --> 00:05:14,220 You're gonna have to wait until we leave. You can follow after. 96 00:05:14,221 --> 00:05:16,140 Go get your mum. You're okay. Go get your mum. 97 00:05:16,141 --> 00:05:19,380 - Excuse me, love. What are you doing? - I'm searching for evidence. 98 00:05:19,381 --> 00:05:21,060 What? That's our dirty washing. 99 00:05:21,061 --> 00:05:24,140 There's nothing in there, love! Nothing in there, I'm telling ya! 100 00:05:24,141 --> 00:05:25,900 - Oi! - [overlapping chatter] 101 00:05:25,901 --> 00:05:29,300 - [Mrs. Miller] He's not going on his own! - [Eddie] What are youse doing? 102 00:05:29,301 --> 00:05:31,660 What are you... You're wrecking me house! 103 00:05:31,661 --> 00:05:35,260 What are you looking for? Just let me know what you're looking for! 104 00:05:35,261 --> 00:05:38,020 - [clamoring outside] - Heya! For fuck's sake. 105 00:05:38,021 --> 00:05:40,380 - [Mrs. Miller] Eddie! - [Eddie] Please. What's going on? 106 00:05:40,381 --> 00:05:42,580 - Stop it. - Listen. I'm explaining to your wife. 107 00:05:42,581 --> 00:05:44,820 Your son, he's been arrested on suspicion of murder. 108 00:05:44,821 --> 00:05:47,260 - [both] He couldn't! - We've taken him to the station. 109 00:05:47,261 --> 00:05:48,660 You can follow. On Heywood Street. 110 00:05:48,661 --> 00:05:50,620 - Know where that is? - I do. Round the corner. 111 00:05:50,621 --> 00:05:53,180 You might be entitled to compensation for mess we've caused you. 112 00:05:53,181 --> 00:05:55,380 - Fill this in. - You've bashed the bleeding door in. 113 00:05:55,381 --> 00:05:57,980 - [officer 1] Fill it in. - Why do you need guns for a 13-year-old? 114 00:05:57,981 --> 00:06:00,020 - He's 13! - [officer 1] Understand what I've said? 115 00:06:00,021 --> 00:06:02,500 Of course. Do you understand? There's no way he's done this. 116 00:06:02,501 --> 00:06:05,460 - We'll see you there. - He's had guns in his face and everything! 117 00:06:05,461 --> 00:06:07,860 - I hope youse are happy with yourselves. - [Jamie] Dad! 118 00:06:07,861 --> 00:06:09,860 - [Eddie] He's a kid! He's my son! - [Jamie] No! 119 00:06:09,861 --> 00:06:12,740 - [Eddie] It's all right. Don't worry, son. - [Jamie] Dad! 120 00:06:12,741 --> 00:06:17,300 Jay! Jay! Jay, me and your mum are gonna follow, okay? 121 00:06:17,301 --> 00:06:20,221 Jay, don't say nothing. Okay? 122 00:06:20,741 --> 00:06:21,740 Jay! 123 00:06:21,741 --> 00:06:24,420 - [Bascombe] Let's go. - You'll be okay, son. Yeah? 124 00:06:24,421 --> 00:06:26,060 - Fucking ridiculous! - [Bascombe] Come on. 125 00:06:26,061 --> 00:06:27,141 [Jamie] Dad! 126 00:06:27,661 --> 00:06:30,341 - [Eddie] Thirteen years of age! - [Jamie crying] Dad! 127 00:06:32,861 --> 00:06:35,780 - [Bascombe] This is Bravo Delta 5-0. - [radio beeps] 128 00:06:35,781 --> 00:06:37,660 [dispatcher] Yeah. Go ahead, Bravo Delta 5-0. 129 00:06:37,661 --> 00:06:40,260 Yeah, 10-95. All okay and cooperative, okay? 130 00:06:40,261 --> 00:06:43,421 - [Bascombe exhales] - [Jamie sobbing] 131 00:06:44,221 --> 00:06:45,501 [dispatcher] Understood. 132 00:06:48,181 --> 00:06:49,740 [Jamie, quietly] I want my dad. 133 00:06:49,741 --> 00:06:51,661 [sniffles, grunts] 134 00:07:01,501 --> 00:07:03,500 - [Jamie mutters] - [Bascombe] Jamie. 135 00:07:03,501 --> 00:07:08,141 Jamie, I know it's hard, but you need to calm down, okay? 136 00:07:09,261 --> 00:07:12,140 - Just calm yourself down, mate. - [Jamie] I want Dad here. 137 00:07:12,141 --> 00:07:14,221 [tense, rhythmic music playing] 138 00:07:17,861 --> 00:07:19,381 [sobs] 139 00:07:20,621 --> 00:07:21,741 [sniffles] 140 00:07:23,501 --> 00:07:25,301 [continues crying softly] 141 00:07:37,661 --> 00:07:39,500 I haven't done anything. I haven't-- 142 00:07:39,501 --> 00:07:41,260 - [Bascombe] Hey. - I've not done nothing. 143 00:07:41,261 --> 00:07:44,020 [Bascombe] We'll get into that when we get to the station, okay? 144 00:07:44,021 --> 00:07:47,981 This is not the place to be speaking about anything like that, all right? 145 00:07:49,101 --> 00:07:52,541 Save all of this for when we get there. Don't say another word. 146 00:07:54,061 --> 00:07:58,821 I'm gonna suggest something. When asked, you ask for a solicitor, okay? 147 00:08:00,461 --> 00:08:03,340 And you can speak to your parents about it when you get to the station. 148 00:08:03,341 --> 00:08:05,981 - [Jamie] Mm-hmm. - It won't make you seem more guilty. 149 00:08:07,141 --> 00:08:09,021 It's just for your best interests, all right? 150 00:08:11,061 --> 00:08:12,381 Jamie, this is Derek. 151 00:08:12,901 --> 00:08:15,940 Derek will be your appropriate adult for the purpose of this arrest, all right? 152 00:08:15,941 --> 00:08:17,100 - Hi, Jamie. - [Jamie grunts] 153 00:08:17,101 --> 00:08:19,540 I'm from Doncaster Social Services, all right? 154 00:08:19,541 --> 00:08:21,780 [Bascombe] The custody sergeant is gonna ask you 155 00:08:21,781 --> 00:08:24,700 whether you want to keep Derek on, or whether you want someone else. 156 00:08:24,701 --> 00:08:27,020 You can even have one of your parents. 157 00:08:27,021 --> 00:08:29,541 It'll just be for your searches, bloods, 158 00:08:30,341 --> 00:08:33,741 any time you're talking to your solicitor, that sort of thing, okay? 159 00:08:34,261 --> 00:08:38,021 It won't prejudice your case, whatever you decide, mate. All right? 160 00:08:38,821 --> 00:08:40,261 [Jamie sobs] 161 00:08:41,501 --> 00:08:42,981 I... [sighs] 162 00:08:44,541 --> 00:08:45,901 [Bascombe] Okay, Jamie. 163 00:08:49,621 --> 00:08:50,860 [exhales deeply] 164 00:08:50,861 --> 00:08:52,940 [Jamie continues crying] 165 00:08:52,941 --> 00:08:57,421 - [tense, rhythmic music building] - [background sounds distort and fade] 166 00:09:02,261 --> 00:09:05,700 - [Jamie, muffled] I don't even know-- - [Bascombe] Hey. That's enough. 167 00:09:05,701 --> 00:09:07,341 - That's enough. - Just wait. 168 00:09:09,541 --> 00:09:11,501 It's for your own benefit. Okay? 169 00:09:17,981 --> 00:09:19,981 [speaking indistinctly] 170 00:09:21,101 --> 00:09:24,421 - [indistinct radio chatter] - [speaking inaudibly] 171 00:09:51,501 --> 00:09:53,500 [speaking indistinctly] 172 00:09:53,501 --> 00:09:55,701 [Derek speaking indistinctly] 173 00:10:07,421 --> 00:10:09,421 [muffled sobbing] 174 00:10:12,621 --> 00:10:16,421 - [Bascombe clears throat] - [parking brake clicks] 175 00:10:17,261 --> 00:10:18,460 [gate opens] 176 00:10:18,461 --> 00:10:20,941 [tense, oppressive music dies down] 177 00:10:24,701 --> 00:10:25,981 [sighs] 178 00:10:26,981 --> 00:10:28,821 - [Bascombe] Let's go. - [Jamie sighs] 179 00:10:29,541 --> 00:10:31,821 [takes a deep breath] 180 00:10:33,621 --> 00:10:35,261 [intercom rings] 181 00:10:36,061 --> 00:10:37,340 [man] Custody desk. 182 00:10:37,341 --> 00:10:40,461 - Yeah, D.I. Bascombe. One in custody. - Okay. 183 00:10:41,181 --> 00:10:43,220 [door buzzes open] 184 00:10:43,221 --> 00:10:44,541 Inside, please. 185 00:10:49,221 --> 00:10:50,381 [door closes] 186 00:10:51,261 --> 00:10:52,461 [doorbell buzzes] 187 00:10:53,381 --> 00:10:54,861 [doorbell buzzes] 188 00:10:57,221 --> 00:11:00,020 - Okay. Just stand there. - [indistinct, busy chatter] 189 00:11:00,021 --> 00:11:03,101 - [woman] Ah, thank you. - [officer 7] You all right? 190 00:11:05,861 --> 00:11:07,260 [huffs] 191 00:11:07,261 --> 00:11:10,101 Just over there on that stop mark, Jamie. Let's go, please. 192 00:11:11,581 --> 00:11:12,701 [Jamie sighs] 193 00:11:14,501 --> 00:11:16,420 Sarge, this is Jamie Miller. 194 00:11:16,421 --> 00:11:19,301 He's 13 years old. He's been arrested on suspicion of murder. 195 00:11:19,821 --> 00:11:23,701 Okay, Jamie. Can I have your full name, please, son? 196 00:11:25,501 --> 00:11:28,660 - [splutters] I didn't do it. - [sergeant] That's not to do with me. 197 00:11:28,661 --> 00:11:31,221 Just try and answer my questions, please, son. 198 00:11:32,341 --> 00:11:35,341 [sniffles] It's Jamie Edward Miller. 199 00:11:35,861 --> 00:11:38,420 [sergeant] And have you had your rights explained to you, Jamie? 200 00:11:38,421 --> 00:11:40,501 [inmate shouting in distance] 201 00:11:41,661 --> 00:11:42,780 What? 202 00:11:42,781 --> 00:11:45,460 [sergeant] Did the officer explain that you don't need to speak, 203 00:11:45,461 --> 00:11:49,660 but anything you do say may be given in evidence? Yeah? 204 00:11:49,661 --> 00:11:50,900 - Yeah. - [sergeant] Okay. 205 00:11:50,901 --> 00:11:52,901 And will you be wanting a solicitor? 206 00:11:53,541 --> 00:11:55,060 - Yeah. - [sergeant] Okay. 207 00:11:55,061 --> 00:11:58,621 And do you have a solicitor, or do you want the station to provide one? 208 00:12:00,541 --> 00:12:04,020 I don't know. I don't think so. Can you ask my dad, please? 209 00:12:04,021 --> 00:12:06,340 [sergeant] Yeah. So because you're a juvenile, 210 00:12:06,341 --> 00:12:08,660 you need to be supported by an appropriate adult. 211 00:12:08,661 --> 00:12:11,180 Now, would you like that to be one of your parents? 212 00:12:11,181 --> 00:12:14,140 - Or would you like that to be Derek? - I'd like my dad, please. 213 00:12:14,141 --> 00:12:15,900 [sergeant] You sure? You can have a think. 214 00:12:15,901 --> 00:12:16,900 I want my dad, please. 215 00:12:16,901 --> 00:12:20,661 Okay. Next business, son. Are you fit and well? 216 00:12:21,501 --> 00:12:23,020 [Jamie sighs] What? 217 00:12:23,021 --> 00:12:26,220 Are you currently taking any medication for anything, Jamie? 218 00:12:26,221 --> 00:12:27,140 [Jamie] No. 219 00:12:27,141 --> 00:12:29,900 Okay. And have you got any long-term medical conditions, 220 00:12:29,901 --> 00:12:32,900 such as asthma or any kind of serious allergies? 221 00:12:32,901 --> 00:12:34,180 [Jamie] No. 222 00:12:34,181 --> 00:12:39,021 Okay. And have you ever tried to take your own life or self-harmed? 223 00:12:39,541 --> 00:12:41,101 [Jamie sniffles] No. 224 00:12:41,781 --> 00:12:44,581 - Have you had your breakfast, son? - [Jamie sniffles] No. 225 00:12:45,101 --> 00:12:48,740 Okay. I am, at 6:31, authorizing your detention 226 00:12:48,741 --> 00:12:51,620 so that the officers can preserve evidence by questioning you 227 00:12:51,621 --> 00:12:54,060 about the offense you are suspected of. 228 00:12:54,061 --> 00:12:57,500 You can be held at this police station for 24 hours. 229 00:12:57,501 --> 00:12:59,260 Your detention here will be reviewed 230 00:12:59,261 --> 00:13:02,060 by an independent inspector on a regular basis, 231 00:13:02,061 --> 00:13:05,020 so that you, your solicitor, or your appropriate adult 232 00:13:05,021 --> 00:13:08,860 can make representations about your detention at that review. 233 00:13:08,861 --> 00:13:10,661 Have you understood all that, son? 234 00:13:12,621 --> 00:13:14,500 - Yeah. - [sergeant] Okay. Good lad. 235 00:13:14,501 --> 00:13:16,300 Right, let's get you to a cell. 236 00:13:16,301 --> 00:13:19,100 It'll just be you in there. Then we can fetch you some breakfast. 237 00:13:19,101 --> 00:13:22,020 I think we've got some cornflakes. Is that okay, Jamie? 238 00:13:22,021 --> 00:13:23,940 [Eddie] You okay? We're here now. 239 00:13:23,941 --> 00:13:26,380 - [Mrs. Miller] We're here. - [Eddie] We're here. 240 00:13:26,381 --> 00:13:28,060 Can... Can I go to them? 241 00:13:28,061 --> 00:13:30,220 [sergeant] Jamie, we need to process you here, okay? 242 00:13:30,221 --> 00:13:32,941 The sooner we do this, the sooner we can bring your dad in. 243 00:13:33,461 --> 00:13:36,701 All right, lad? Are cornflakes all right for you, Jamie? 244 00:13:38,301 --> 00:13:40,500 Just pay attention, Jamie. You're doing well, son. 245 00:13:40,501 --> 00:13:43,021 This bit's nearly over now. You're doing really well. 246 00:13:43,781 --> 00:13:45,660 [muffled] Cornflakes are okay? 247 00:13:45,661 --> 00:13:46,660 - Yeah. - [sergeant] Okay. 248 00:13:46,661 --> 00:13:49,700 Once you've had your breakfast, Jamie, a nurse will be brought in, 249 00:13:49,701 --> 00:13:51,700 then if she thinks you're okay, 250 00:13:51,701 --> 00:13:54,980 you'll be taken to have some photos and samples taken, okay? 251 00:13:54,981 --> 00:13:58,141 Then your lawyer'll be brought to you. All right, son? 252 00:13:58,901 --> 00:14:01,461 - [softly] Yeah. - [sergeant] Okay. Good lad. 253 00:14:02,421 --> 00:14:05,020 Right, P.C. Grogan. It's cell number six, please. 254 00:14:05,021 --> 00:14:07,820 Right. Okay, if you want to just follow me. 255 00:14:07,821 --> 00:14:10,341 [unsettling music playing] 256 00:14:16,381 --> 00:14:18,780 - [pounding on door] - [inmate] Hey! 257 00:14:18,781 --> 00:14:21,301 You'd better open this fucking door! 258 00:14:23,581 --> 00:14:26,821 Denzel! Fucking... It's you or me! 259 00:14:29,141 --> 00:14:31,340 You fucking with me?! 260 00:14:31,341 --> 00:14:32,860 [officer] Okay, then, Jamie. 261 00:14:32,861 --> 00:14:35,301 This is what we call a dry cell. 262 00:14:35,901 --> 00:14:38,220 If you need the toilet, you're gonna have to ask. All right? 263 00:14:38,221 --> 00:14:39,581 [Jamie inhales sharply] 264 00:14:40,701 --> 00:14:41,821 Okay. 265 00:14:43,141 --> 00:14:44,660 [exhales shakily] 266 00:14:44,661 --> 00:14:45,741 [whimpers] 267 00:14:52,301 --> 00:14:55,300 - [inmate shouting] - [cell door closes heavily] 268 00:14:55,301 --> 00:14:57,341 [inmate] Fucking course you are! 269 00:15:00,461 --> 00:15:03,940 Stop looking at me! Shut up! Let's have ya! 270 00:15:03,941 --> 00:15:06,420 [Bascombe] All right? [exhales deeply] 271 00:15:06,421 --> 00:15:09,821 Takes a while to review things before we can do anything. 272 00:15:10,341 --> 00:15:12,421 Yeah, but you only have about four hours... 273 00:15:17,661 --> 00:15:19,460 - [taps on door] - [Eddie] Thing is, imagine if-- 274 00:15:19,461 --> 00:15:23,021 - I know, love. - Mr. and Mrs. Miller, how's it going? 275 00:15:23,661 --> 00:15:24,980 Brilliant, yeah. 276 00:15:24,981 --> 00:15:27,780 Look, I understand this must be a hard time for you. 277 00:15:27,781 --> 00:15:30,741 I've got a few questions I need to ask if that's okay. 278 00:15:31,621 --> 00:15:36,900 Um, well, Jamie has asked for a solicitor. Is there a family one that you guys have? 279 00:15:36,901 --> 00:15:38,700 - No. Not at all, no. - No. 280 00:15:38,701 --> 00:15:41,020 [Bascombe] Okay, well, we can provide one. 281 00:15:41,021 --> 00:15:44,180 Um, we have a duty solicitor here that we can call. 282 00:15:44,181 --> 00:15:47,260 What, is that one of yours, is it, yeah? - [Bascombe] They don't work for us. 283 00:15:47,261 --> 00:15:49,981 It's their duty to protect your son's best interests, but... 284 00:15:50,501 --> 00:15:53,060 It's a service that we have here free of charge if asked for. 285 00:15:53,061 --> 00:15:55,660 Yeah, but free normally means no good, though, don't it? 286 00:15:55,661 --> 00:15:58,020 Mr. Miller, look, I completely understand your concerns, 287 00:15:58,021 --> 00:16:00,620 but in my experience, they're very competent solicitors, 288 00:16:00,621 --> 00:16:02,461 so... it's up to you. 289 00:16:05,101 --> 00:16:06,500 - [Mrs. Miller] Okay. - [Eddie] Yeah. 290 00:16:06,501 --> 00:16:08,461 - Okay. - [Mrs. Miller] Thank you. 291 00:16:08,981 --> 00:16:10,981 - [Bascombe] You all right, Mrs. Miller? - [softly] No. 292 00:16:11,701 --> 00:16:14,621 How can you behave like that and come here and behave like this? 293 00:16:15,141 --> 00:16:16,621 How does that work, eh? 294 00:16:17,221 --> 00:16:20,060 Your men threw me on the floor, threw my daughter on the floor. 295 00:16:20,061 --> 00:16:22,101 - I'm okay. - I hope they didn't do that. 296 00:16:22,621 --> 00:16:26,260 I hope they told you to get on the floor for your safety and for theirs. 297 00:16:26,261 --> 00:16:27,340 And if they didn't, 298 00:16:27,341 --> 00:16:30,020 you are well within your rights to make a complaint, okay? 299 00:16:30,021 --> 00:16:33,100 - Would you like me to get someone? - That is what they did, Mum. 300 00:16:33,101 --> 00:16:35,541 - [Mrs. Miller sniffles] Okay. - Okay. 301 00:16:36,061 --> 00:16:37,061 All right? 302 00:16:37,781 --> 00:16:40,660 Last thing, um... we do have someone suitable 303 00:16:40,661 --> 00:16:42,900 if you're unable to do it, but Jamie has asked 304 00:16:42,901 --> 00:16:45,661 whether you'll be his, um, appropriate adult. 305 00:16:46,301 --> 00:16:47,300 What's that? 306 00:16:47,301 --> 00:16:51,141 [Bascombe] You'll be in his interviews with him, any bloods taken by the nurse. 307 00:16:51,661 --> 00:16:52,821 That sort of stuff. 308 00:16:53,341 --> 00:16:56,621 - How do you feel about that? - Okay, yeah. Yeah, all right. 309 00:16:57,141 --> 00:16:58,661 Why did he pick you? 310 00:17:00,141 --> 00:17:03,580 - He's not good with needles. He won't-- - [Bascombe] Okay. He'll be fine. 311 00:17:03,581 --> 00:17:05,380 - It's all right. - [Bascombe] He'll be fine. 312 00:17:05,381 --> 00:17:07,300 Mr. Miller, I have to say this. 313 00:17:07,301 --> 00:17:11,140 If your son has admitted to you anything regarding this case 314 00:17:11,141 --> 00:17:14,260 or any of the events leading up to this case, you can't do this job. 315 00:17:14,261 --> 00:17:17,660 - [Eddie] He hasn't said anything. - It could jeopardize his case, okay? 316 00:17:17,661 --> 00:17:20,380 And I told you, you've got it wrong, mate. He hasn't done anything. 317 00:17:20,381 --> 00:17:22,981 He's said nothing to us. He's done nothing. 318 00:17:23,501 --> 00:17:24,341 Okay. 319 00:17:25,101 --> 00:17:28,780 All right, look, um, there's a coffee machine there. 320 00:17:28,781 --> 00:17:30,500 Nurse is gonna be a while, all right? 321 00:17:30,501 --> 00:17:32,541 Someone will come through and see you soon. 322 00:17:33,061 --> 00:17:35,061 It's drinkable. Help yourself. 323 00:17:37,101 --> 00:17:39,141 - I'll see you soon. - [Eddie] Thank you. 324 00:17:41,701 --> 00:17:44,141 - Do you want a coffee, love? - [softly] No, thanks. 325 00:17:46,861 --> 00:17:49,901 - [Mrs. Miller sniffles, sighs] - [machine beeps, whirring] 326 00:17:52,061 --> 00:17:54,260 Well, don't be letting everyone know what's happening. 327 00:17:54,261 --> 00:17:56,500 We haven't even got a clue ourselves yet, love. 328 00:17:56,501 --> 00:17:59,261 I'm texting Susie to make sure our house is okay. 329 00:17:59,781 --> 00:18:02,341 We haven't got a door anymore, if you remember. 330 00:18:05,181 --> 00:18:07,620 Yeah, look, maybe... maybe you should go home, eh? 331 00:18:07,621 --> 00:18:09,140 Yeah, you should. [sniffles] 332 00:18:09,141 --> 00:18:13,660 Well, what would I do there? I'm not... I'm not going. I'm not. I'm not... 333 00:18:13,661 --> 00:18:14,741 [whimpers] 334 00:18:16,941 --> 00:18:19,220 [Eddie] Well, tell her not to clean anything up, okay? 335 00:18:19,221 --> 00:18:23,581 Tell her to take loads of photos so we can fill that form thing in. 336 00:18:24,301 --> 00:18:25,781 Okay, good idea. 337 00:18:27,181 --> 00:18:29,261 - [sighs] - Mum, what's gonna happen? 338 00:18:30,741 --> 00:18:33,420 It's all right, love. It's just a mistake. 339 00:18:33,421 --> 00:18:36,500 You see it on the telly all the time. It's just a mistake. 340 00:18:36,501 --> 00:18:37,420 [sniffles] 341 00:18:37,421 --> 00:18:39,500 [Eddie] She said they were charging him with murder. 342 00:18:39,501 --> 00:18:41,900 - Well, he hasn't done anything. - [Eddie] Of course he hasn't. 343 00:18:41,901 --> 00:18:44,460 - He can't have. Of course he hasn't. - They've made a mistake. 344 00:18:44,461 --> 00:18:47,620 Of course they have. Yeah. Yeah. We know he has. 345 00:18:47,621 --> 00:18:51,140 Ah, excuse me, love. Excuse me. You were at our house, weren't you? 346 00:18:51,141 --> 00:18:53,340 - Yeah. - Can you tell me when we can see me son? 347 00:18:53,341 --> 00:18:55,061 Not long, Mr. Miller, all right? 348 00:19:01,101 --> 00:19:02,621 [clears throat] 349 00:19:05,221 --> 00:19:06,660 - Morning, Sarge. - All right? 350 00:19:06,661 --> 00:19:08,061 - [woman 1] Yeah, you? - Yeah. 351 00:19:16,701 --> 00:19:18,260 - Morning, Carol. - [Carol] Morning. 352 00:19:18,261 --> 00:19:20,981 - You all right. - [officer 1] Yeah. All right? 353 00:19:23,141 --> 00:19:24,341 [woman 2] Hi, guys. 354 00:19:25,461 --> 00:19:27,940 - Morning, everyone. - Morning. 355 00:19:27,941 --> 00:19:30,660 Ooh, fucking hell, how much do you want a cigarette right now? 356 00:19:30,661 --> 00:19:33,101 - Don't start me off, mate. - [officer 1] Fuck. 357 00:19:34,021 --> 00:19:36,020 [officer 1] Have you had anything from upstairs yet? 358 00:19:36,021 --> 00:19:39,020 Ah, just comms, wanting to know what to release and when. 359 00:19:39,021 --> 00:19:41,781 - Nothing from the DCI. - [officer 1] Mm-hmm. 360 00:19:43,461 --> 00:19:45,020 [sighs] 361 00:19:45,021 --> 00:19:46,461 You worried about the dad? 362 00:19:47,181 --> 00:19:48,940 - The dad? - [Bascombe] Mm. 363 00:19:48,941 --> 00:19:52,100 No, I'm not worried about the dad. Why? What are you saying? 364 00:19:52,101 --> 00:19:53,381 [quietly] I don't know. 365 00:19:54,301 --> 00:19:55,980 I had this old case once, right? 366 00:19:55,981 --> 00:19:58,741 [clears throat] Young boy. 367 00:19:59,621 --> 00:20:00,620 Put it this way. 368 00:20:00,621 --> 00:20:04,221 It took us months before we realized what the dad was doing to him, so... 369 00:20:04,781 --> 00:20:07,701 - [officer 1] I don't see it. I don't. - No, you're right. 370 00:20:08,661 --> 00:20:09,821 You're right. [sighs] 371 00:20:10,541 --> 00:20:12,021 [grunts] God. 372 00:20:13,101 --> 00:20:15,260 Forensics. What are we saying? What have we got? 373 00:20:15,261 --> 00:20:17,100 Do you think they'll have an answer already? 374 00:20:17,101 --> 00:20:20,700 They should have been through a chunk of the house. Shoes? Possible weapon? 375 00:20:20,701 --> 00:20:22,260 [officer 1] I'll check in with them. 376 00:20:22,261 --> 00:20:24,340 What about Bruntwood? They sent over the files? 377 00:20:24,341 --> 00:20:27,420 [officer 1] I don't think anyone's been in the school yet. It's early, innit? 378 00:20:27,421 --> 00:20:29,740 - Can we get into his phone? - [officer 1] Nope, it's locked. 379 00:20:29,741 --> 00:20:32,460 - Can we ask him for a code? - [officer 1] Not till after assessment. 380 00:20:32,461 --> 00:20:34,420 - And she's late. Yeah. - [officer 1] She is, yeah. 381 00:20:34,421 --> 00:20:36,461 [Bascombe takes a deep breath] 382 00:20:36,981 --> 00:20:40,180 - You wanna go through the plan again? - [officer 1] I mean, we could. 383 00:20:40,181 --> 00:20:43,260 - But honestly, I think we're good, mate. - All right. [chuckles] I get it. 384 00:20:43,261 --> 00:20:46,221 - [officer 1] Go and have a nap. - I'm going to have a walk. See you later. 385 00:20:47,221 --> 00:20:48,540 [Bascombe sighs] 386 00:20:48,541 --> 00:20:50,621 [somber music playing] 387 00:20:58,541 --> 00:21:01,340 - Sir, I'm just going through the PER form. - Okay. 388 00:21:01,341 --> 00:21:04,180 Post charges, he's underage, so the council are gonna have to decide 389 00:21:04,181 --> 00:21:06,820 which accommodation they can move him to. 390 00:21:06,821 --> 00:21:09,020 Oh, hello. Nice of you to join us. 391 00:21:09,021 --> 00:21:12,741 Are you fucking joking me? Do you know what time it is? Knob. 392 00:21:13,341 --> 00:21:16,700 - Evan, I don't know what you're asking me. - [Evan] I'm asking for a risk assessment. 393 00:21:16,701 --> 00:21:19,580 He's been accused of murdering someone with a kitchen knife. 394 00:21:19,581 --> 00:21:21,180 [Evan] So where are we gonna put him? 395 00:21:21,181 --> 00:21:23,700 Cross that bridge when we come to it, won't we? Yeah? 396 00:21:23,701 --> 00:21:25,581 - [Evan] Yeah, okay. Yeah, sound. - Okay, cool. 397 00:21:26,301 --> 00:21:27,421 Oh God. 398 00:21:28,701 --> 00:21:30,021 [exhales sharply] 399 00:21:31,621 --> 00:21:32,901 [huffs] 400 00:21:34,821 --> 00:21:35,981 [sighs] 401 00:21:37,021 --> 00:21:38,541 [grunts softly] 402 00:21:45,381 --> 00:21:47,141 [line ringing] 403 00:21:48,701 --> 00:21:49,861 [sighs] 404 00:21:52,301 --> 00:21:54,101 Yeah. Good time or bad time? 405 00:21:55,621 --> 00:21:58,701 [chuckles] Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry, I know it's early. 406 00:22:00,141 --> 00:22:01,821 Shower, yeah? Okay. 407 00:22:02,861 --> 00:22:04,221 Anyway, did Adam go in? 408 00:22:07,261 --> 00:22:08,701 I mean, is he going in? 409 00:22:10,341 --> 00:22:13,061 Mm. Keeps on texting me. 410 00:22:14,101 --> 00:22:17,821 And I told Misha he only texts me 'cause he knows I'm the soft touch. 411 00:22:18,821 --> 00:22:20,301 Yeah, she sure did. 412 00:22:21,781 --> 00:22:25,421 Anyway, I just... just thought I'd call and say hi. 413 00:22:28,181 --> 00:22:29,941 Yeah, I'm all right. 414 00:22:31,701 --> 00:22:33,701 Listen, I'd better go, all right? 415 00:22:34,621 --> 00:22:36,381 You too. I'll see you later. Bye. 416 00:22:39,941 --> 00:22:41,500 - [Evan] Sir. - Good, good. 417 00:22:41,501 --> 00:22:42,421 [sighs] Yeah. 418 00:22:43,461 --> 00:22:46,421 [sighs, sniffles] 419 00:22:59,821 --> 00:23:02,060 [nurse] Allergic to penicillin... 420 00:23:02,061 --> 00:23:03,940 - Sorry. - That's all right. Thank you. 421 00:23:03,941 --> 00:23:05,300 Sorry. Cheers. 422 00:23:05,301 --> 00:23:08,381 Okay, Jamie, just a few more questions, then, if that's okay. 423 00:23:09,461 --> 00:23:11,940 Can you explain to me what being under arrest means? 424 00:23:11,941 --> 00:23:13,700 [clears throat, sniffles] 425 00:23:13,701 --> 00:23:14,981 It means being here. 426 00:23:16,101 --> 00:23:17,741 [nurse] Can you have another go at that? 427 00:23:18,461 --> 00:23:20,021 [Eddie] Answer the question, lad. 428 00:23:20,981 --> 00:23:22,620 [Jamie sniffles, grunts] 429 00:23:22,621 --> 00:23:25,180 It means the police think I've done something. 430 00:23:25,181 --> 00:23:27,541 They'll have me locked up until they know whether I have. 431 00:23:28,381 --> 00:23:29,701 [nurse] That's a good answer. 432 00:23:30,421 --> 00:23:32,700 And can you explain why you might need a lawyer? 433 00:23:32,701 --> 00:23:34,061 [Jamie sniffles] 434 00:23:35,061 --> 00:23:37,541 So... so I don't get trapped saying the wrong thing. 435 00:23:38,701 --> 00:23:40,141 Also a good answer. 436 00:23:41,581 --> 00:23:44,581 Okay, Jamie, well, I think you're a bright boy. 437 00:23:45,101 --> 00:23:47,981 I don't see a vulnerability the police need to be aware of. 438 00:23:48,981 --> 00:23:50,661 Have you got any questions for me? 439 00:23:52,741 --> 00:23:54,220 [Jamie] Um... [sniffles] 440 00:23:54,221 --> 00:23:56,301 No, I... I don't think so. 441 00:23:57,181 --> 00:23:59,020 [sniffles] Is that a bad thing? 442 00:23:59,021 --> 00:24:02,700 [nurse] No, you're fine. I'll give you a minute. 443 00:24:02,701 --> 00:24:04,181 - [Eddie] Ta. - [nurse] Okay. 444 00:24:05,021 --> 00:24:06,501 Eat your cornies, son. 445 00:24:07,581 --> 00:24:08,781 I don't want 'em. 446 00:24:10,301 --> 00:24:13,860 Come on, eat the cornflakes. You need to eat something. 447 00:24:13,861 --> 00:24:15,941 [somber music rises] 448 00:24:17,981 --> 00:24:19,941 [sniffles, sobs] 449 00:24:21,941 --> 00:24:24,660 [crying] I haven't... I haven't done anything. I just... 450 00:24:24,661 --> 00:24:25,820 [sobs] 451 00:24:25,821 --> 00:24:29,341 I just wanna... I just wanna go home. I've not done anything. 452 00:24:31,061 --> 00:24:33,021 [sniffles, sobs] 453 00:24:38,701 --> 00:24:39,981 [sniffles] 454 00:24:40,741 --> 00:24:42,540 [crying, inhales sharply] 455 00:24:42,541 --> 00:24:45,100 Do you believe me that I've... that I've not done anything? 456 00:24:45,101 --> 00:24:46,181 [sniffles] 457 00:24:48,181 --> 00:24:49,621 Of course I believe you. 458 00:24:50,901 --> 00:24:52,421 You're my son, aren't ya? 459 00:24:53,061 --> 00:24:54,061 [sniffles] 460 00:24:54,581 --> 00:24:55,500 Hey? 461 00:24:55,501 --> 00:24:56,821 [Jamie sighs] 462 00:24:58,341 --> 00:24:59,380 [nurse] Sorry, Mr. Miller. 463 00:24:59,381 --> 00:25:01,661 I'm gonna have to ask you to leave if that's okay. 464 00:25:02,381 --> 00:25:03,221 Sorry. 465 00:25:05,541 --> 00:25:07,381 - Eat your cornflakes. - [Jamie] Yeah. 466 00:25:11,061 --> 00:25:14,420 Eat your cornies, son. You need to keep your strength up, yeah? 467 00:25:14,421 --> 00:25:16,820 Mr. Miller, I'll take you back to the family room. 468 00:25:16,821 --> 00:25:17,981 [Jamie] Dad! 469 00:25:19,421 --> 00:25:21,741 - [inmate screams] - [banging on cell door] 470 00:25:23,741 --> 00:25:25,900 How long are we gonna be here, mate? 471 00:25:25,901 --> 00:25:28,140 [Evan] I can't answer any questions now, unfortunately. 472 00:25:28,141 --> 00:25:29,260 [Eddie] Any idea? 473 00:25:29,261 --> 00:25:31,500 - Mate... - [indistinct chatter] 474 00:25:31,501 --> 00:25:33,021 He's a bright boy, you know. 475 00:25:33,541 --> 00:25:36,781 Right. No current medication. No relevant medical history. 476 00:25:38,221 --> 00:25:39,300 [sighs] 477 00:25:39,301 --> 00:25:42,501 - I hate juvenile cases, me. - [sergeant] No one likes 'em. 478 00:25:43,421 --> 00:25:44,581 Morning, Sergeant. 479 00:25:45,221 --> 00:25:46,580 - [sergeant] Morning. - Jamie Miller. 480 00:25:46,581 --> 00:25:47,900 [sergeant] Ah, right, okay. 481 00:25:47,901 --> 00:25:50,740 Parents are in the family room, and the lad's in the cell, 482 00:25:50,741 --> 00:25:52,340 so I'm guessing parents first, yeah? 483 00:25:52,341 --> 00:25:54,100 - Yes. - [sergeant] Know where you're going? 484 00:25:54,101 --> 00:25:55,741 - Yes, I do. - [sergeant] Okay. 485 00:25:56,701 --> 00:25:59,701 - Morning. Mind buzzing me through? - [Evan] Yeah, of course. 486 00:26:00,421 --> 00:26:02,101 [keypad beeps] 487 00:26:02,821 --> 00:26:04,301 - There you are. - [solicitor] Thank you. 488 00:26:06,341 --> 00:26:09,660 - [Mrs. Miller] I see you on the phone. - Sorry to disturb. Mr. and Mrs. Miller? 489 00:26:09,661 --> 00:26:12,180 Um, my name's Paul Barlow. I'm from Storey and French. 490 00:26:12,181 --> 00:26:14,620 - I've been allocated Jamie's case. - All right. 491 00:26:14,621 --> 00:26:16,460 - Um... - Can you tell us what's going on? 492 00:26:16,461 --> 00:26:20,100 Yeah, do you wanna take a seat, and we'll run through a few things. 493 00:26:20,101 --> 00:26:21,501 - [sighs] - Um... 494 00:26:22,021 --> 00:26:24,740 So, the way this works is, um, 495 00:26:24,741 --> 00:26:28,260 I'll be briefed by the arresting officers as to the particulars of the case, 496 00:26:28,261 --> 00:26:30,500 and I'll also catch up with what's been going on 497 00:26:30,501 --> 00:26:32,700 since Jamie's arrest, okay? 498 00:26:32,701 --> 00:26:35,821 Do you have any complaints as to your treatment so far? 499 00:26:36,341 --> 00:26:38,220 Yeah. They tore the house apart. 500 00:26:38,221 --> 00:26:41,140 They had guns and everything. They smashed the door in. 501 00:26:41,141 --> 00:26:42,620 - Okay. - Wrecked the house. 502 00:26:42,621 --> 00:26:45,300 When a violent death's taken place, that's the name of the game. 503 00:26:45,301 --> 00:26:47,460 The question is, whether or not that was proportionate. 504 00:26:47,461 --> 00:26:49,061 We'll look at that later. 505 00:26:49,581 --> 00:26:52,021 Okay, but more importantly, how's Jamie doing? 506 00:26:52,741 --> 00:26:55,700 He's... he asked me to be his thing. What was it called? 507 00:26:55,701 --> 00:26:57,060 Appropriate adult. 508 00:26:57,061 --> 00:26:58,820 - Appropriate adult. - Yeah, it's good. 509 00:26:58,821 --> 00:27:01,540 It's generally better he has a parent in there with him. 510 00:27:01,541 --> 00:27:04,141 You can keep him calm while we work this out. 511 00:27:06,221 --> 00:27:07,341 He's, uh... 512 00:27:08,461 --> 00:27:09,380 I've just seen him. 513 00:27:09,381 --> 00:27:11,461 To be honest with you, he's not looking too good. 514 00:27:11,981 --> 00:27:14,021 Right. I don't blame him. Neither would I. 515 00:27:14,541 --> 00:27:17,620 Um, to be honest, there's not much I can say right now 516 00:27:17,621 --> 00:27:19,620 that will make this situation any better. 517 00:27:19,621 --> 00:27:21,740 Um, I can see the shock that's happened here, 518 00:27:21,741 --> 00:27:24,340 and it's totally understandable. 519 00:27:24,341 --> 00:27:26,701 But we'll do our best here for you, okay? 520 00:27:27,221 --> 00:27:29,620 I'm gonna get myself briefed, if you can hang tight for me. 521 00:27:29,621 --> 00:27:33,060 Someone will be along with you shortly, okay? Okay. 522 00:27:33,061 --> 00:27:34,260 - [Mrs. Miller] Thank you. - No. 523 00:27:34,261 --> 00:27:35,180 Cheers, mate. 524 00:27:35,181 --> 00:27:36,661 - Of course. - [Mrs. Miller] Thank you. 525 00:27:40,301 --> 00:27:41,260 [Eddie] It's all right. 526 00:27:41,261 --> 00:27:44,261 - [Mrs. Miller] Sorry. - [Eddie] It's all right. All right. 527 00:27:45,301 --> 00:27:47,340 - [Mrs. Miller crying] - [Paul sighs] 528 00:27:47,341 --> 00:27:48,660 Thanks again. 529 00:27:48,661 --> 00:27:50,940 - Am I... - Should be all the way down. 530 00:27:50,941 --> 00:27:53,061 - Is it the usual room? Yeah. - [sergeant] Yes. 531 00:27:59,101 --> 00:28:00,341 [exhales heavily] 532 00:28:18,341 --> 00:28:20,180 - After you. - Thanking you. 533 00:28:20,181 --> 00:28:21,500 - Good morning. - [clears throat] 534 00:28:21,501 --> 00:28:22,901 - Good morning. - Paul. 535 00:28:24,141 --> 00:28:26,061 - For you. - [Paul] Thank you. 536 00:28:28,461 --> 00:28:30,861 Okay. So, what have we got? 537 00:28:31,381 --> 00:28:34,340 Incident took place at 10:13 p.m. last night. 538 00:28:34,341 --> 00:28:38,420 Arrest... approximately 25 minutes ago. 539 00:28:38,421 --> 00:28:41,981 [exhales] Well, that's my personal record broken, then. 540 00:28:43,381 --> 00:28:46,181 - Heard you made a mess of the house. - [Bascombe] Yeah, sorry about that. 541 00:28:47,581 --> 00:28:51,100 Okay. Murder. So I'm assuming you're going after possession and threatening as well? 542 00:28:51,101 --> 00:28:52,021 [Bascombe] Yep. 543 00:28:52,701 --> 00:28:55,621 - Can I know anything about the victim? - [Bascombe] You will do. 544 00:28:56,741 --> 00:28:57,741 Okay. 545 00:29:01,061 --> 00:29:04,060 [exhales] Is it a media blackout, is it? Because I couldn't see anything-- 546 00:29:04,061 --> 00:29:06,340 We're still looking for the relatives, their dad. 547 00:29:06,341 --> 00:29:09,100 [quietly] Okay. Okay. 548 00:29:09,101 --> 00:29:12,060 - Has he been told his right to silence? - Yes. 549 00:29:12,061 --> 00:29:14,260 - Is he clear on what that means? - Yes. 550 00:29:14,261 --> 00:29:17,380 - Has he been fed? - He's had the opportunity to eat. 551 00:29:17,381 --> 00:29:19,420 - [Paul] Assessed? - Yep, she passed him fit. 552 00:29:19,421 --> 00:29:21,420 - [Paul] Searched? - Waited for you. 553 00:29:21,421 --> 00:29:25,220 - Good to hear. I see you're taking blood. - Yeah, scratches on his arm. 554 00:29:25,221 --> 00:29:27,380 Blood at the scene. It's not without justification. 555 00:29:27,381 --> 00:29:29,140 - Wasn't questioning that. - [Bascombe] Okay. 556 00:29:29,141 --> 00:29:31,620 And what investigation has taken place otherwise? 557 00:29:31,621 --> 00:29:34,741 - [Bascombe] Nothing with the suspect. - Anything else I need to know? 558 00:29:35,861 --> 00:29:37,741 [chuckles] Nothing that we're gonna tell you now. 559 00:29:38,541 --> 00:29:40,980 - [Paul] Where was the victim pronounced? - At the scene. 560 00:29:40,981 --> 00:29:43,501 Multiple wounds. It's in there. 561 00:29:45,261 --> 00:29:47,180 [Paul] And his father's his appropriate adult? 562 00:29:47,181 --> 00:29:48,301 Correct. 563 00:29:48,861 --> 00:29:50,900 - Is he okay? - Think so. 564 00:29:50,901 --> 00:29:53,100 - And how's Jamie around him? - Don't know. 565 00:29:53,101 --> 00:29:54,260 - Fine. - [knock on door] 566 00:29:54,261 --> 00:29:56,180 - [sergeant] Ready for samples. - [Paul] Sarge. 567 00:29:56,181 --> 00:29:58,820 - Is that all I'm getting? - Yep. That's all you're gonna get. 568 00:29:58,821 --> 00:30:00,660 Okay. Samples first, but then a chat. 569 00:30:00,661 --> 00:30:03,740 - I wanna have a look at this kid first. - Paul, don't be so excited. 570 00:30:03,741 --> 00:30:06,700 - I'm not excited. - [Bascombe] Makes you look like a prick. 571 00:30:06,701 --> 00:30:09,340 - [Paul] Uh, D.I. Bascombe, one last thing. - What? 572 00:30:09,341 --> 00:30:11,300 - I just need two minutes. - Go on. 573 00:30:11,301 --> 00:30:13,380 Sir, we've got a teacher here from Bruntwood Academy. 574 00:30:13,381 --> 00:30:14,980 - I'll be up. - I'll be so quick. 575 00:30:14,981 --> 00:30:16,581 - Well, follow me. - All right. 576 00:30:19,341 --> 00:30:21,341 [indistinct chatter] 577 00:30:23,421 --> 00:30:25,301 [keypad beeps] 578 00:30:27,381 --> 00:30:29,541 Can I have Mr. Miller, please? 579 00:30:31,141 --> 00:30:33,100 Hi, sir. We need you in the medical suite. 580 00:30:33,101 --> 00:30:35,340 Just while your son has some samples taken, please. 581 00:30:35,341 --> 00:30:37,740 Right. Um, I'll... I'll be as quick as I can. 582 00:30:37,741 --> 00:30:39,900 [Mrs. Miller] Okay. Watch him with the needles, Eddie. 583 00:30:39,901 --> 00:30:41,181 - Please. - Just follow me, sir. 584 00:30:49,741 --> 00:30:52,900 Just wait in here, please, Mr. Miller. Your son will be with you shortly. 585 00:30:52,901 --> 00:30:54,581 - I'll leave you to it. - [nurse] Yeah. 586 00:30:59,701 --> 00:31:03,300 - It's warm, innit? - Really warm. [sniffles] 587 00:31:03,301 --> 00:31:06,021 - Want me to hang your jacket? - You're all right. Thank you. 588 00:31:07,581 --> 00:31:12,141 [sergeant] P.C. Grogan'll be in here, and your dad as well. Okay? 589 00:31:12,661 --> 00:31:13,701 [Evan] Hello, Jamie. 590 00:31:14,261 --> 00:31:17,060 So, what's gonna happen now, we're gonna take some photos, 591 00:31:17,061 --> 00:31:20,500 then we're gonna take some samples, then we're gonna search you, okay? 592 00:31:20,501 --> 00:31:22,660 - Okay. Okay. - [Evan] Okay. 593 00:31:22,661 --> 00:31:24,580 Let's get you over on this chair here, 594 00:31:24,581 --> 00:31:27,901 facing that camera on the wall just to take some photos. 595 00:31:28,981 --> 00:31:31,381 So there'll be a bit of a flash, all right? 596 00:31:33,781 --> 00:31:35,661 [exhales deeply] 597 00:31:37,701 --> 00:31:39,861 - [Evan] Lovely. And to the side. - [sniffles] 598 00:31:41,701 --> 00:31:43,181 [exhales] 599 00:31:45,101 --> 00:31:46,661 [Evan] And the other side. 600 00:31:51,141 --> 00:31:52,101 [sniffles] 601 00:31:53,941 --> 00:31:55,421 [Evan] Lovely. And that's done. 602 00:31:56,021 --> 00:31:59,260 [Paul] Jamie, very quickly. My name's, uh, Paul Barlow. 603 00:31:59,261 --> 00:32:01,460 I'm from a solicitor firm called Storey and French. 604 00:32:01,461 --> 00:32:04,100 - I'll be advising you today, okay? - [Jamie] Okay. 605 00:32:04,101 --> 00:32:06,140 Um, we'll talk, but I didn't want you wondering 606 00:32:06,141 --> 00:32:07,821 who this strange man was, all right? 607 00:32:08,341 --> 00:32:10,660 Jamie, can I just get you to stand here for me? 608 00:32:10,661 --> 00:32:13,420 I'm just gonna do a quick mouth swab, if that's okay. 609 00:32:13,421 --> 00:32:15,780 - [sniffles] Yeah. - [Evan] Sorry. Let me close the door. 610 00:32:15,781 --> 00:32:17,501 - [door closes] - Just open wide for me. 611 00:32:21,461 --> 00:32:22,581 And the other side. 612 00:32:25,501 --> 00:32:26,621 Okay, my love. 613 00:32:27,741 --> 00:32:31,180 [Evan] All right. Let's get you over here, shall we, for some fingerprints. 614 00:32:31,181 --> 00:32:33,660 So just get you to get your right thumb. 615 00:32:33,661 --> 00:32:36,341 Press on there. There'll be a red light that'll come on. 616 00:32:38,861 --> 00:32:41,261 Thank you. And your index finger. 617 00:32:41,981 --> 00:32:43,021 [sighs] 618 00:32:45,661 --> 00:32:47,501 Lovely. And your middle finger. 619 00:32:51,181 --> 00:32:53,941 Lovely. And your ring finger. 620 00:32:54,781 --> 00:32:56,781 That's right. It's that one there, yeah. 621 00:32:58,541 --> 00:33:00,620 - Thank you. And your little finger. - [sniffles] 622 00:33:00,621 --> 00:33:02,021 [sighs] 623 00:33:03,381 --> 00:33:06,821 Thank you. Okay. And let's do your other hand. So left thumb. 624 00:33:09,061 --> 00:33:10,540 That's it. Thank you. 625 00:33:10,541 --> 00:33:12,061 Index finger. 626 00:33:13,101 --> 00:33:13,940 Yep. 627 00:33:13,941 --> 00:33:15,820 [Jamie exhales shakily] 628 00:33:15,821 --> 00:33:17,541 And your middle finger. 629 00:33:20,421 --> 00:33:23,261 Thank you. And your ring finger. 630 00:33:25,141 --> 00:33:26,380 There we are. Thank you. 631 00:33:26,381 --> 00:33:28,701 And then your little finger. Last one, though. 632 00:33:31,061 --> 00:33:32,941 Lovely. Thank you. 633 00:33:33,661 --> 00:33:35,101 Okay, then. 634 00:33:36,261 --> 00:33:38,500 So now, Jamie, we need your passcode 635 00:33:38,501 --> 00:33:40,460 just so we can access your phone, if that's okay? 636 00:33:40,461 --> 00:33:43,021 [Paul] Uh, there's no need to give them that, Jamie. 637 00:33:45,221 --> 00:33:46,100 No. 638 00:33:46,101 --> 00:33:47,941 [sighs] No. 639 00:33:48,901 --> 00:33:50,060 Okay. Erica. 640 00:33:50,061 --> 00:33:52,940 Yeah, Jamie, do you want to just hop on the bed for me? 641 00:33:52,941 --> 00:33:55,381 I'm just gonna take some bloods, if that's okay. 642 00:33:56,301 --> 00:33:59,820 - I... I don't really like needles. - He's no good with needles, love. 643 00:33:59,821 --> 00:34:03,941 [Evan] Jamie, I've got to warn you, it may harm your defense if you refuse. 644 00:34:04,581 --> 00:34:05,941 [Paul] Yeah, he's right. 645 00:34:06,661 --> 00:34:09,621 [Evan] Do you consent to your son giving a specimen, Mr. Miller? 646 00:34:10,301 --> 00:34:11,581 Are you gonna be okay? 647 00:34:12,541 --> 00:34:14,180 [sighs] I don't know. 648 00:34:14,181 --> 00:34:17,700 You'll be fine. It won't take long. I promise. Be as quick as possible. 649 00:34:17,701 --> 00:34:18,660 - Okay. - Yeah? 650 00:34:18,661 --> 00:34:20,100 Yeah, just look at me, lad, yeah? 651 00:34:20,101 --> 00:34:23,300 - Look at your dad. Pop yourself here. - Yeah, just keep looking at me. 652 00:34:23,301 --> 00:34:24,661 [Jamie sniffles] 653 00:34:25,381 --> 00:34:27,741 - [Erica] Gonna put this around your arm. - [Eddie] All right. 654 00:34:30,261 --> 00:34:31,580 [Jamie exhales] 655 00:34:31,581 --> 00:34:33,701 You're just gonna feel a bit of a squeeze. 656 00:34:37,421 --> 00:34:38,581 [strap snaps] 657 00:34:40,581 --> 00:34:42,100 [Jamie] Is it... Is it gonna... 658 00:34:42,101 --> 00:34:43,460 [Jamie sniffles] 659 00:34:43,461 --> 00:34:46,101 [Erica] Keep looking at your dad. Nice and still for me. 660 00:34:49,101 --> 00:34:51,180 You're just gonna feel a sharp scratch, okay? 661 00:34:51,181 --> 00:34:52,980 - Look at me. - Keep looking at your dad. 662 00:34:52,981 --> 00:34:54,821 - Come on. It's all right. - [inhales sharply] 663 00:34:56,181 --> 00:34:57,341 [groans] 664 00:34:58,341 --> 00:34:59,420 [shudders] 665 00:34:59,421 --> 00:35:01,100 - Nearly there. - [Eddie] It's all right. 666 00:35:01,101 --> 00:35:03,020 [Erica] Nearly there. Keep looking at your dad. 667 00:35:03,021 --> 00:35:04,300 [groans] 668 00:35:04,301 --> 00:35:07,460 Oh, is it done? Ow. 669 00:35:07,461 --> 00:35:08,620 - Yeah. - [Eddie] There you go. 670 00:35:08,621 --> 00:35:10,340 - There we are. - [Eddie] Good lad. See? 671 00:35:10,341 --> 00:35:11,460 [Erica clears throat] 672 00:35:11,461 --> 00:35:12,820 [Jamie sighs] 673 00:35:12,821 --> 00:35:14,300 - [Eddie] Brilliant. - Okay. 674 00:35:14,301 --> 00:35:17,100 [Erica] Keep your finger on that for me just for a couple of minutes. 675 00:35:17,101 --> 00:35:18,700 - Sound. - Well done. 676 00:35:18,701 --> 00:35:21,101 Well done. There you go. Sorted. 677 00:35:22,061 --> 00:35:23,301 [Evan] Okay, then. 678 00:35:24,101 --> 00:35:26,461 I'm gonna have to ask you to take your clothes off. 679 00:35:28,301 --> 00:35:31,420 - What, all of 'em? - [Evan] I need to conduct a strip search. 680 00:35:31,421 --> 00:35:33,541 - Is that necessary? - [Paul] Afraid so. 681 00:35:35,661 --> 00:35:37,940 I'm not too sure about this, mate. 682 00:35:37,941 --> 00:35:42,021 [Evan] There is a chance that he may have concealed things on or around his body. 683 00:35:43,181 --> 00:35:45,700 Look, he... he wet himself earlier on, 684 00:35:45,701 --> 00:35:47,820 so he's changed his undies and his pants and-- 685 00:35:47,821 --> 00:35:49,260 I understand, Mr. Miller. 686 00:35:49,261 --> 00:35:52,220 - No, he changed his jeans and everything. - Mr. Miller, I understand. 687 00:35:52,221 --> 00:35:53,941 But this is a serious offense. 688 00:35:54,461 --> 00:35:56,500 Okay, I've got scratch marks on his left arm. 689 00:35:56,501 --> 00:36:00,101 We need to make sure there's no other cuts or bruises we need to be aware of. 690 00:36:00,621 --> 00:36:03,380 I think this is a bit serious as well, don't you? 691 00:36:03,381 --> 00:36:07,900 How would you have felt if you were 13 and had two men looking at your bits? 692 00:36:07,901 --> 00:36:11,220 - [Evan] I wasn't accused of a crime. - That's it, mate. Accused. 693 00:36:11,221 --> 00:36:13,460 He hasn't been found guilty. He's been accused. 694 00:36:13,461 --> 00:36:15,740 - Can you not do anything about this? - [Paul] I'm sorry. 695 00:36:15,741 --> 00:36:17,900 They're entitled to under PACE. 696 00:36:17,901 --> 00:36:20,860 [Evan] Mr. Miller, I promise I will be very careful. 697 00:36:20,861 --> 00:36:22,580 I don't know you from Adam, mate. 698 00:36:22,581 --> 00:36:26,220 - [Paul] We need to cooperate with this. - You know? That's my boy, and he's 13. 699 00:36:26,221 --> 00:36:27,980 - Like I said, he's 13. - [Erica] Mr. Miller. 700 00:36:27,981 --> 00:36:31,260 - [Paul] Passcodes, we can tell them no... - It's procedure, Mr. Miller. 701 00:36:31,261 --> 00:36:33,140 - He's 13. - [Paul] This is for Jamie's defense. 702 00:36:33,141 --> 00:36:34,660 [Jamie] Dad, it's fine. 703 00:36:34,661 --> 00:36:36,421 - You okay? - [Jamie] I don't mind. 704 00:36:37,381 --> 00:36:39,221 [Eddie sniffles, huffs] 705 00:36:42,621 --> 00:36:47,301 [Evan] So, Jamie, I'll just get you to pop your clothes off for me. 706 00:36:49,781 --> 00:36:51,260 So I need to observe, 707 00:36:51,261 --> 00:36:54,701 and then P.C. Grogan's just going to observe me, all right? 708 00:37:00,461 --> 00:37:02,820 Do you want to pop your clothes on the side there, yeah? 709 00:37:02,821 --> 00:37:04,901 [clothes rustling] 710 00:37:13,861 --> 00:37:17,301 Do you want to turn to face me? All right? 711 00:37:19,101 --> 00:37:20,701 [sniffles, sighs] 712 00:37:22,421 --> 00:37:24,421 [Evan] And just lift your arms up for me. 713 00:37:30,141 --> 00:37:31,101 There we are. 714 00:37:31,981 --> 00:37:33,501 You can turn to the side. 715 00:37:37,861 --> 00:37:40,861 Mm. And then face the wall behind you. 716 00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:44,901 [Eddie sniffles, sighs] 717 00:37:48,221 --> 00:37:49,581 [Evan] Okay. 718 00:37:51,821 --> 00:37:53,420 You can pop your arms down now. 719 00:37:53,421 --> 00:37:56,061 You can turn back to face me one more time. 720 00:37:59,301 --> 00:38:01,900 Okay, and if I can just ask you to lift up your penis. 721 00:38:01,901 --> 00:38:05,540 I need to make sure that there's no defensive wounds on your scrotum. 722 00:38:05,541 --> 00:38:07,621 [Eddie breathing shakily] 723 00:38:13,621 --> 00:38:15,021 [Evan] No. Okay. 724 00:38:16,661 --> 00:38:19,380 - All right, then. And that's done. - [Eddie sniffles] 725 00:38:19,381 --> 00:38:22,780 So gonna ask you to pop these clothes on for me. 726 00:38:22,781 --> 00:38:25,540 And then we'll pop yours just in this bag here. 727 00:38:25,541 --> 00:38:27,621 [paper bag rustling] 728 00:38:37,341 --> 00:38:39,900 - [Evan] Thank you. - What are they for? What are you gonna do? 729 00:38:39,901 --> 00:38:42,101 [Evan] They'll be used as evidence, Mr. Miller. 730 00:38:45,221 --> 00:38:46,380 [Eddie sniffles] 731 00:38:46,381 --> 00:38:48,701 - You okay? You all right? - [Jamie] Yeah. 732 00:38:49,221 --> 00:38:51,380 Yeah? You sure? Okay, good lad. 733 00:38:51,381 --> 00:38:53,300 [Paul] Are we finished in here? 734 00:38:53,301 --> 00:38:55,300 Can I get a room to speak to my client, please? 735 00:38:55,301 --> 00:38:57,981 - Yeah, sure. Next door. Follow me. - Thank you. 736 00:39:00,861 --> 00:39:03,421 - [Eddie] Thank you. - [Erica] Of course. Yeah. No problem. 737 00:39:04,541 --> 00:39:06,100 - [Grogan] There's chairs. - Thank you. 738 00:39:06,101 --> 00:39:08,780 Jamie, want to pop yourself on the other side of that table? 739 00:39:08,781 --> 00:39:10,301 Dad can sit next to you. 740 00:39:12,261 --> 00:39:13,261 [Eddie sighs] 741 00:39:14,181 --> 00:39:15,140 Well, that was, uh... 742 00:39:15,141 --> 00:39:18,700 That's the worst part of that over and done with, I'm glad to say. 743 00:39:18,701 --> 00:39:21,900 I thought you handled it extremely well, Jamie. 744 00:39:21,901 --> 00:39:23,941 [Jamie sighs, sniffles] 745 00:39:24,981 --> 00:39:27,621 Um... [clicks tongue] 746 00:39:28,141 --> 00:39:30,661 What's your favorite subject in school, Jamie? 747 00:39:32,061 --> 00:39:34,701 - Why does that matter? - Uh, just humor me. 748 00:39:36,501 --> 00:39:38,781 - History. - Why? 749 00:39:40,541 --> 00:39:41,981 Uh, I like the stories. 750 00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:45,941 And, um, what's your favorite bit of history? 751 00:39:47,301 --> 00:39:50,540 Um, we're doing the Industrial Revolution. 752 00:39:50,541 --> 00:39:52,821 Oh, are you? All right, okay. Um... 753 00:39:53,661 --> 00:39:56,541 Who do you like who took part in the Industrial Revolution? 754 00:39:58,301 --> 00:40:00,700 Uh, you know... you know Brunel? 755 00:40:00,701 --> 00:40:02,220 Yes. Yes, I do. 756 00:40:02,221 --> 00:40:04,621 - I like him. - Why? 757 00:40:05,741 --> 00:40:09,180 Because he... he did stuff no one else did. 758 00:40:09,181 --> 00:40:12,661 Boats, trains, everything. He just did it. 759 00:40:13,901 --> 00:40:15,101 Yeah, he did. 760 00:40:16,421 --> 00:40:18,101 Smart kid. [chuckles] 761 00:40:18,821 --> 00:40:21,180 [clicks tongue] Um, I'm not here 762 00:40:21,181 --> 00:40:24,020 to ask you whether or not you did or didn't do it, Jamie. 763 00:40:24,021 --> 00:40:26,180 - I didn't. - He didn't. There's no way he did it. 764 00:40:26,181 --> 00:40:27,900 My job, and your dad's job, 765 00:40:27,901 --> 00:40:31,620 is to protect you whatever happened last night, okay? 766 00:40:31,621 --> 00:40:34,060 And the police, they're trying to find out what happened, 767 00:40:34,061 --> 00:40:35,780 but they're not here to protect you. 768 00:40:35,781 --> 00:40:39,500 They believe you're guilty of something, and that's why we're here, all right? 769 00:40:39,501 --> 00:40:43,141 So all I want you to do is say, "No comment." 770 00:40:43,701 --> 00:40:45,621 All right? That's it. Just, "No comment." 771 00:40:46,381 --> 00:40:47,541 Mm, to everything? 772 00:40:48,061 --> 00:40:51,300 Uh, no, not to everything. That won't go down well. 773 00:40:51,301 --> 00:40:55,061 Uh, just to questions about the events of last night. 774 00:40:56,221 --> 00:40:59,780 All right? Do you think you can decipher between questions you should answer 775 00:40:59,781 --> 00:41:01,741 and questions you shouldn't answer? 776 00:41:02,661 --> 00:41:04,741 Mm, I don't... I dunno. 777 00:41:06,421 --> 00:41:07,541 Is your name Jamie? 778 00:41:08,701 --> 00:41:09,541 Yeah. 779 00:41:10,461 --> 00:41:13,981 And... where were you last night, Jamie? 780 00:41:16,741 --> 00:41:19,101 - No comment. - That's it. That's it. 781 00:41:19,941 --> 00:41:20,900 Whenever you're unsure, 782 00:41:20,901 --> 00:41:22,980 whenever it's 50-50, just say, "No comment." 783 00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:25,860 And if I think you should answer the question, I'll advise you so. 784 00:41:25,861 --> 00:41:29,220 But you're a very bright lad, and I think you'll do absolutely fine. 785 00:41:29,221 --> 00:41:31,860 Um, I'll be in there. Your dad'll be in there. 786 00:41:31,861 --> 00:41:34,060 I won't be afraid to speak upon your behalf. 787 00:41:34,061 --> 00:41:36,900 And your dad can also speak up whenever he chooses. 788 00:41:36,901 --> 00:41:38,061 - All right? - Can I? 789 00:41:38,581 --> 00:41:40,661 Oh, yeah. Of course you can, yeah. Yeah. 790 00:41:41,461 --> 00:41:43,060 [Jamie sighs] 791 00:41:43,061 --> 00:41:45,501 I... I... I haven't done anything wrong. 792 00:41:46,541 --> 00:41:48,781 Well, that makes it easy then, doesn't it? 793 00:41:49,741 --> 00:41:51,260 [Jamie inhales sharply] 794 00:41:51,261 --> 00:41:53,860 Right, I'm gonna... I'll be back in a second. Um... 795 00:41:53,861 --> 00:41:57,020 I'm just gonna see how they're getting on, setting up for this interview. 796 00:41:57,021 --> 00:41:59,660 If you could sit tight. Try to be patient for me. 797 00:41:59,661 --> 00:42:01,501 I'll be back for you. All right? 798 00:42:04,461 --> 00:42:06,780 Just wait here a minute, lad. Just give me a sec. 799 00:42:06,781 --> 00:42:08,100 - Excuse me, mate. - [Paul] Yeah? 800 00:42:08,101 --> 00:42:11,141 Look, I haven't got a clue what I'm doing here. 801 00:42:11,661 --> 00:42:13,300 I don't... What do I say? 802 00:42:13,301 --> 00:42:16,980 Just... um, don't answer for him, all right? 803 00:42:16,981 --> 00:42:19,981 Uh... just... uh, just be yourself. 804 00:42:20,741 --> 00:42:22,660 They know you're his dad. We know you're his dad. 805 00:42:22,661 --> 00:42:25,260 It's... it's okay to process. 806 00:42:25,261 --> 00:42:28,301 It's okay to be shocked, and it's okay to be human. 807 00:42:28,941 --> 00:42:31,460 - All right? - [Eddie] Yeah, I mean, this isn't normal. 808 00:42:31,461 --> 00:42:32,901 - Do you know what I mean? - No. 809 00:42:33,421 --> 00:42:36,341 - I've never even been in a police station. - You'll be fine. 810 00:42:40,221 --> 00:42:44,220 I just don't want to get it wrong for me lad. Do you know what I mean? 811 00:42:44,221 --> 00:42:45,421 You'll be fine. 812 00:42:46,221 --> 00:42:47,741 [shakily] I'm shitting myself. 813 00:42:49,821 --> 00:42:53,340 - I understand. - He's a... he's a good kid, yeah? 814 00:42:53,341 --> 00:42:55,700 And I'm... I'm a good dad. Do you know what I mean? 815 00:42:55,701 --> 00:42:59,580 He really is. Look, you said yourself. You even said he was bright. 816 00:42:59,581 --> 00:43:01,820 - Yeah, I did. - So... do you understand? 817 00:43:01,821 --> 00:43:03,781 I can see that, but... 818 00:43:05,101 --> 00:43:08,661 Here we are now, and we've this to deal with, okay? 819 00:43:09,181 --> 00:43:13,180 And I think the police have some pretty compelling evidence. 820 00:43:13,181 --> 00:43:14,940 Otherwise, they wouldn't have been able 821 00:43:14,941 --> 00:43:17,180 to ask for blood, to make the entrance that they did. 822 00:43:17,181 --> 00:43:18,860 Now, I don't know what that evidence is, 823 00:43:18,861 --> 00:43:23,140 but I'm pretty sure it's gonna become clear to us very soon. Okay? 824 00:43:23,141 --> 00:43:27,661 So, um, the best thing for you to do is to raise that chin up, 825 00:43:28,181 --> 00:43:29,421 be the good dad, 826 00:43:30,541 --> 00:43:33,020 and, uh, suck it up, okay? 827 00:43:33,021 --> 00:43:34,061 Yeah. 828 00:43:35,021 --> 00:43:37,860 They're shaping up for the interview. I need a minute just to have a look. 829 00:43:37,861 --> 00:43:40,261 Can you sit with him? You all right doing that? 830 00:43:41,501 --> 00:43:43,100 - [sniffles] - I'll be back for you shortly. 831 00:43:43,101 --> 00:43:44,580 Okay. [sniffles] 832 00:43:44,581 --> 00:43:46,061 - All right. - You'll be fine. 833 00:43:46,581 --> 00:43:48,100 - Okay. - All right. 834 00:43:48,101 --> 00:43:49,501 Ta. [sniffles] 835 00:43:58,261 --> 00:44:00,701 - [Paul] I'll be outside if you need me. - [exhales heavily] 836 00:44:04,341 --> 00:44:05,460 [Jamie sighs] 837 00:44:05,461 --> 00:44:06,981 [door closes] 838 00:44:09,581 --> 00:44:11,101 - [exhales] - You okay? 839 00:44:12,941 --> 00:44:14,221 [softly] Yeah. 840 00:44:17,301 --> 00:44:18,501 [sighs deeply] 841 00:44:19,501 --> 00:44:20,581 Look at me. 842 00:44:21,461 --> 00:44:22,461 Look at me. 843 00:44:26,661 --> 00:44:29,381 I'm gonna ask you once. Okay? 844 00:44:30,701 --> 00:44:33,900 And no matter what's happened, no matter what you have or haven't done, 845 00:44:33,901 --> 00:44:35,781 I want you to tell me the truth. 846 00:44:41,901 --> 00:44:42,981 Did you do it? 847 00:44:47,741 --> 00:44:48,701 [quietly] No. 848 00:44:50,941 --> 00:44:52,021 Promise? 849 00:44:53,941 --> 00:44:55,141 I promise. 850 00:44:57,341 --> 00:44:58,581 [softly] Good. Okay. 851 00:45:01,301 --> 00:45:02,460 [sniffles] Okay, then. 852 00:45:02,461 --> 00:45:05,060 Everything's gonna be all right, then, isn't it? Hey? 853 00:45:05,061 --> 00:45:06,940 - Yeah. - [knocking on door] 854 00:45:06,941 --> 00:45:09,100 - [Paul] Okay, they're ready. - Yeah, okay. So are we. 855 00:45:09,101 --> 00:45:10,661 - [Paul] It's okay, Jamie. - Ready? 856 00:45:11,301 --> 00:45:14,381 Come on. Come on. You're all right. Let's go. 857 00:45:15,181 --> 00:45:16,181 [Jamie sniffles] 858 00:45:16,861 --> 00:45:17,900 Um, you okay? 859 00:45:17,901 --> 00:45:20,980 Just before we go in, Jamie, just to go over what we said again. 860 00:45:20,981 --> 00:45:24,581 If you're unsure, just look to me, remember that "no comment," 861 00:45:25,101 --> 00:45:28,660 and, um, your dad'll be by your side all the way through it, all right? 862 00:45:28,661 --> 00:45:30,541 Okay? Okay. 863 00:45:32,661 --> 00:45:33,741 [taps on door] 864 00:45:35,701 --> 00:45:38,021 - [Misha] Hiya. Come on through. - [Paul] Hello again. 865 00:45:39,141 --> 00:45:41,781 [Bascombe] Hey, Jamie. We'll have you sit down there. 866 00:45:42,381 --> 00:45:44,180 Your dad can sit next to you. 867 00:45:44,181 --> 00:45:45,900 Paul, you can pull up that seat over there. 868 00:45:45,901 --> 00:45:46,981 [Paul] Yeah. 869 00:45:48,221 --> 00:45:52,540 To let everyone know, this interview will be recorded, audio and video. 870 00:45:52,541 --> 00:45:54,780 - Is that okay, Jamie? - [Jamie] Yeah. 871 00:45:54,781 --> 00:45:57,381 Okay. I'm gonna start the recording now. 872 00:45:58,781 --> 00:46:00,741 [player whirring, beeps] 873 00:46:03,221 --> 00:46:04,181 Okay. 874 00:46:05,421 --> 00:46:08,861 First of all, I'm gonna start with reminding you of your rights, Jamie. 875 00:46:09,701 --> 00:46:11,261 I want you to listen carefully. 876 00:46:12,221 --> 00:46:14,940 You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defense 877 00:46:14,941 --> 00:46:19,100 if you do not mention when questioned something you later rely on in court. 878 00:46:19,101 --> 00:46:22,661 Anything you do say may be given in evidence. Okay? 879 00:46:23,501 --> 00:46:24,340 [Jamie] Yeah. 880 00:46:24,341 --> 00:46:27,260 I am D.I. Bascombe. In attendance is D.S. Frank. 881 00:46:27,261 --> 00:46:30,741 We are talking to Jamie Miller, his appropriate adult, Eddie Miller, 882 00:46:31,261 --> 00:46:32,941 and his solicitor, Paul Barlow. 883 00:46:33,461 --> 00:46:35,341 The time is... 884 00:46:35,981 --> 00:46:38,101 [clicks tongue] ...6:58 a.m. 885 00:46:39,301 --> 00:46:40,301 Sit up. 886 00:46:41,981 --> 00:46:45,301 I'm gonna start off with asking you what you did last night, Jamie. 887 00:46:46,261 --> 00:46:47,861 - Last night? - Yeah. 888 00:46:48,381 --> 00:46:50,541 - Jamie. - [Bascombe] It wasn't that long ago. 889 00:46:51,421 --> 00:46:52,261 No comment. 890 00:46:52,781 --> 00:46:54,501 Okay. What did you do? 891 00:46:56,741 --> 00:46:57,821 No comment. 892 00:46:59,341 --> 00:47:01,381 That's not really helpful, is it, Jamie? 893 00:47:03,021 --> 00:47:05,661 - Sorry. - Okay. No worries. 894 00:47:06,541 --> 00:47:09,060 Let's move on to something we can talk about. 895 00:47:09,061 --> 00:47:11,141 I've been reading your school reports. 896 00:47:11,701 --> 00:47:12,620 Why? 897 00:47:12,621 --> 00:47:14,740 [Bascombe] I got your teachers to send them over. 898 00:47:14,741 --> 00:47:15,781 [Jamie] Mm. 899 00:47:16,981 --> 00:47:20,461 It's looking good. Doing really well. You're a good student. 900 00:47:21,941 --> 00:47:23,421 You wanna take your A-levels? 901 00:47:24,981 --> 00:47:26,021 Um... 902 00:47:26,941 --> 00:47:28,541 [Paul] You can answer that, Jamie. 903 00:47:29,061 --> 00:47:30,421 I don't know. 904 00:47:31,101 --> 00:47:37,181 Okay. They also talk about some... problems with your behavior more recently. 905 00:47:37,701 --> 00:47:39,061 Last year or so. 906 00:47:39,701 --> 00:47:41,380 - [Jamie] Yeah. - Okay. 907 00:47:41,381 --> 00:47:43,621 Well, what are the problems? What are they? 908 00:47:45,581 --> 00:47:47,101 [Jamie] Uh, I dunno. 909 00:47:49,221 --> 00:47:51,821 - Do you have good friends, Jamie? - Yeah. 910 00:47:52,581 --> 00:47:54,381 [Bascombe] Okay. Who are your good friends? 911 00:47:56,661 --> 00:47:59,621 - No comment. - You won't get them into trouble. 912 00:48:02,141 --> 00:48:05,541 You battered my door down this morning, so I'm not sure you can say that. 913 00:48:06,501 --> 00:48:07,781 - That's fair. - [Misha sighs] 914 00:48:08,301 --> 00:48:09,381 Okay, look. 915 00:48:09,901 --> 00:48:14,381 I'm going to ask you about... romantic relationships. 916 00:48:14,901 --> 00:48:17,181 - Sexual relationships. - [Jamie] Why? 917 00:48:18,581 --> 00:48:23,741 Well, I noticed on your Instagram that you reposted a picture of this model. 918 00:48:24,661 --> 00:48:26,021 What's her name, Jamie? 919 00:48:27,381 --> 00:48:29,540 [splutters] I just like her pictures. 920 00:48:29,541 --> 00:48:31,460 - [Bascombe] You don't know her name? - No. 921 00:48:31,461 --> 00:48:35,061 [Bascombe] Okay. You also posted a picture of this woman. 922 00:48:38,141 --> 00:48:39,381 And this woman. 923 00:48:40,941 --> 00:48:42,941 And below this one, the more recent one, 924 00:48:43,461 --> 00:48:46,301 you can see that there's a series of comments 925 00:48:47,341 --> 00:48:50,741 and innuendos which seem pretty aggressive. 926 00:48:52,221 --> 00:48:55,581 They're from you. How do you feel about women, Jamie? 927 00:48:56,301 --> 00:48:59,621 - [Eddie] What kind of a question is that? - [Bascombe] Are you attracted to women? 928 00:49:00,181 --> 00:49:01,661 - Yeah. - [Bascombe] Okay. 929 00:49:02,581 --> 00:49:05,501 And are these the type of women you're attracted to? 930 00:49:06,661 --> 00:49:08,301 - Yeah. - [Bascombe] Okay. 931 00:49:08,941 --> 00:49:11,340 - Do you have a girlfriend? - No. 932 00:49:11,341 --> 00:49:14,421 If you did, would you want her to look like any of these women? 933 00:49:15,621 --> 00:49:16,701 No, they're... 934 00:49:17,381 --> 00:49:18,581 They're too old. 935 00:49:19,221 --> 00:49:20,820 That's true. [chuckles] 936 00:49:20,821 --> 00:49:26,501 I also see that you, um, posted pics of you and who I think are friends? 937 00:49:27,341 --> 00:49:29,261 Hmm? Where were these pictures taken? 938 00:49:30,621 --> 00:49:31,981 [Jamie] Um... 939 00:49:32,741 --> 00:49:34,141 Train station, I think. 940 00:49:34,981 --> 00:49:37,021 [Bascombe] Okay. Who are these boys? 941 00:49:40,341 --> 00:49:43,100 I understand you don't want to get them into trouble. I get it. 942 00:49:43,101 --> 00:49:45,940 But they're not gonna be in trouble, man. It's fine. 943 00:49:45,941 --> 00:49:47,701 I'm just trying to build a picture. 944 00:49:48,861 --> 00:49:52,140 [Misha] Jamie, it won't be hard for us to find them. 945 00:49:52,141 --> 00:49:55,181 You're a smart lad, aren't you? You can see that. 946 00:49:57,741 --> 00:49:58,980 [Jamie sighs] 947 00:49:58,981 --> 00:50:01,101 [Eddie] Go ahead. Tell 'em. 948 00:50:02,261 --> 00:50:03,901 [Jamie takes a deep breath] 949 00:50:06,501 --> 00:50:08,980 That's Tommy. That's Ryan. 950 00:50:08,981 --> 00:50:10,021 Okay. 951 00:50:10,981 --> 00:50:13,380 - Good friends, yeah? - [Jamie] Yeah. 952 00:50:13,381 --> 00:50:16,381 Hmm. You're in a lot of pics with them. 953 00:50:17,701 --> 00:50:21,540 [Jamie] Only because Tommy tagged me in 'em. 954 00:50:21,541 --> 00:50:25,101 Okay. And is it always you three out together? 955 00:50:26,181 --> 00:50:29,381 - Yeah. I guess so, yeah. - How long have you known them? 956 00:50:30,981 --> 00:50:32,101 [Jamie] Um... 957 00:50:32,741 --> 00:50:36,940 Year one, Tommy, and then Ryan came in year four. 958 00:50:36,941 --> 00:50:40,300 Okay. What do you guys like to do together? 959 00:50:40,301 --> 00:50:41,461 What's fun for you? 960 00:50:42,181 --> 00:50:43,580 I... I dunno. 961 00:50:43,581 --> 00:50:46,820 [Bascombe] Sports, films, music, dancing? What? 962 00:50:46,821 --> 00:50:48,941 Just... going into town. 963 00:50:49,621 --> 00:50:51,540 - [Bascombe] Hanging out? - Yeah. 964 00:50:51,541 --> 00:50:54,381 Okay. Were you hanging out with them last night? 965 00:50:55,221 --> 00:50:56,820 [takes a deep breath] 966 00:50:56,821 --> 00:50:58,981 - No comment. - [Bascombe] What time did you get home? 967 00:51:00,861 --> 00:51:02,220 No comment. 968 00:51:02,221 --> 00:51:05,981 [Bascombe] Okay. Okay. I get it now. Everyone's trying to do their job here. 969 00:51:06,701 --> 00:51:08,100 If you remember rightly, Jamie, 970 00:51:08,101 --> 00:51:11,021 I was the one that suggested you get a solicitor, wasn't I? 971 00:51:11,541 --> 00:51:12,461 Yeah. 972 00:51:14,141 --> 00:51:16,781 All right. May I ask you what you were wearing last night? 973 00:51:17,981 --> 00:51:19,541 I... I don't remember. 974 00:51:20,981 --> 00:51:23,740 Okay. Our scene of the crime officers 975 00:51:23,741 --> 00:51:25,980 didn't find any of your clothes from last night, 976 00:51:25,981 --> 00:51:28,901 but they think they've managed to find your trainers. 977 00:51:29,461 --> 00:51:31,701 Can you identify these as your trainers? 978 00:51:32,621 --> 00:51:34,900 Well, it's... it's quite hard in a photo. 979 00:51:34,901 --> 00:51:37,381 Do you own a pair of Nike Air Max in white and blue? 980 00:51:37,901 --> 00:51:39,941 - Yeah. - [Bascombe] Thank you. 981 00:51:40,741 --> 00:51:42,301 Were you wearing them last night? 982 00:51:43,981 --> 00:51:45,741 I... I dunno. Maybe. 983 00:51:46,261 --> 00:51:47,301 I don't know. 984 00:51:49,061 --> 00:51:50,181 [Misha] Here. 985 00:51:50,821 --> 00:51:55,581 Jamie, do you know a girl called Katie Leonard? There she is. 986 00:51:56,821 --> 00:51:57,820 - Yeah. - [Misha] Yeah? 987 00:51:57,821 --> 00:51:59,580 She's not in your reg group, is she? 988 00:51:59,581 --> 00:52:02,141 But you do share some classes. That's right, innit? 989 00:52:03,101 --> 00:52:04,821 - English. - [Misha] English. 990 00:52:05,341 --> 00:52:07,781 Top set English. Very good. 991 00:52:08,301 --> 00:52:10,341 Maths and French, you're in set two. 992 00:52:11,261 --> 00:52:12,381 That's good, that. 993 00:52:14,701 --> 00:52:16,021 Do you two get on? 994 00:52:18,461 --> 00:52:19,820 - [Jamie] Yeah. - Yeah? 995 00:52:19,821 --> 00:52:21,741 Describe each other as friends, then? 996 00:52:22,501 --> 00:52:24,541 [Jamie] I... I don't... I dunno. 997 00:52:25,341 --> 00:52:27,700 Well, she occasionally comments on your Instagram posts, 998 00:52:27,701 --> 00:52:30,861 so it's probably a sign that you were, like, friends, right? 999 00:52:32,301 --> 00:52:34,540 I... I dunno. Maybe. 1000 00:52:34,541 --> 00:52:38,661 [Misha] And do you think other people would describe you two as friends? 1001 00:52:41,661 --> 00:52:44,101 What is... is she who's dead, then? 1002 00:52:44,941 --> 00:52:47,420 [Bascombe] Why would you ask that? Hmm? 1003 00:52:47,421 --> 00:52:48,780 [Jamie] Is she? 1004 00:52:48,781 --> 00:52:51,820 - Well, yeah. She is. - [tense music playing] 1005 00:52:51,821 --> 00:52:53,180 And we think you know that. 1006 00:52:53,181 --> 00:52:56,380 So it's really clever of you to ask the question if that is the case. 1007 00:52:56,381 --> 00:52:59,461 - [Paul] Careful, D.I. Bascombe. - [Misha] Okay, then. [clears throat] 1008 00:53:00,341 --> 00:53:02,621 Tell you what. Describe your friendship to me. 1009 00:53:04,941 --> 00:53:06,021 [Jamie] No comment. 1010 00:53:06,581 --> 00:53:10,181 Right. You seem prepared to talk about your other friendships, but not this one. 1011 00:53:10,701 --> 00:53:13,460 - Can you tell me why? - [Paul] I think that's pretty clear why. 1012 00:53:13,461 --> 00:53:14,941 [Misha] Yeah, I'm asking Jamie. 1013 00:53:17,021 --> 00:53:21,140 We... we knew each other at school, but... not out of school. 1014 00:53:21,141 --> 00:53:25,701 [Misha] Right. And was it a relationship that ever went beyond friendship? 1015 00:53:26,861 --> 00:53:29,261 I... I wouldn't even class it as a friendship. 1016 00:53:29,781 --> 00:53:32,261 - [Misha] Were you attracted to her? - No. 1017 00:53:33,821 --> 00:53:36,740 Was there anything that could be described as sexual between you? 1018 00:53:36,741 --> 00:53:39,620 No, he's 13 years of age. That's a bit strong. 1019 00:53:39,621 --> 00:53:42,101 [Misha] I know. I've gotta ask the question, that's all. 1020 00:53:43,261 --> 00:53:46,540 - Can you answer it for me, kid? - No. 1021 00:53:46,541 --> 00:53:48,900 [Bascombe] Was it her you were going to see last night? 1022 00:53:48,901 --> 00:53:50,740 - Did you go and see her? - No. 1023 00:53:50,741 --> 00:53:54,581 [Misha] See, her parents have told us that she left the house at 8:30 p.m. 1024 00:53:55,221 --> 00:53:56,781 Was she coming to see you, then? 1025 00:53:57,301 --> 00:53:59,500 I... I've just said. We weren't even mates. 1026 00:53:59,501 --> 00:54:02,020 - [Bascombe] But you did see her? - No, I didn't. 1027 00:54:02,021 --> 00:54:04,300 Okay. Her body was found 1028 00:54:04,301 --> 00:54:07,821 at Crowthers' car park just past 10:30 p.m. 1029 00:54:08,341 --> 00:54:11,460 Paramedics arrived at the scene, were unable to stop the bleeding. 1030 00:54:11,461 --> 00:54:15,900 It was confirmed that she was killed less than an hour before. 1031 00:54:15,901 --> 00:54:18,621 Which means between 9:30 and 10:30 p.m. 1032 00:54:19,501 --> 00:54:21,101 Where were you at that time? 1033 00:54:22,301 --> 00:54:24,701 - [Jamie] I... I don't know. - But you were out? 1034 00:54:26,461 --> 00:54:27,580 No comment. 1035 00:54:27,581 --> 00:54:29,060 Okay. And if I were to ask your dad 1036 00:54:29,061 --> 00:54:30,940 what time you were home, what would he say? 1037 00:54:30,941 --> 00:54:32,940 I was on a call. I'd been in for ten minutes 1038 00:54:32,941 --> 00:54:34,340 when youse kicked me door in. 1039 00:54:34,341 --> 00:54:36,701 - And you're not interviewing Mr. Miller. - [Bascombe] No. 1040 00:54:37,781 --> 00:54:41,061 Were you following her, Jamie? Or... Or were you meeting her there? 1041 00:54:42,181 --> 00:54:45,741 - No, neither. - [Bascombe] Did you kill her, Jamie? 1042 00:54:46,421 --> 00:54:48,381 - No. - [Bascombe] You didn't kill her? 1043 00:54:49,581 --> 00:54:50,460 No, I didn't. 1044 00:54:50,461 --> 00:54:53,261 You... you've got me confused with someone else. 1045 00:54:53,861 --> 00:54:54,781 [Bascombe] Okay. 1046 00:54:58,581 --> 00:55:00,661 [Misha] Do you know how many times she was stabbed? 1047 00:55:02,501 --> 00:55:04,501 - No. - [Bascombe] Seven times. 1048 00:55:05,941 --> 00:55:07,501 Seven times, all over. 1049 00:55:08,461 --> 00:55:09,621 In her chest. 1050 00:55:11,101 --> 00:55:13,861 Neck. Thigh. Arm. 1051 00:55:15,101 --> 00:55:16,620 A lot of stabbing. 1052 00:55:16,621 --> 00:55:18,621 [Jamie sighs] 1053 00:55:20,701 --> 00:55:22,021 [Misha] Does that upset you? 1054 00:55:22,741 --> 00:55:24,341 [Eddie] Of course it does. Look at him. 1055 00:55:25,181 --> 00:55:26,461 She's a young girl. 1056 00:55:27,301 --> 00:55:29,780 You do know what CCTV is, don't you, Jamie? 1057 00:55:29,781 --> 00:55:31,580 - [Jamie exhales] - [Paul] Hang on. Hang on. 1058 00:55:31,581 --> 00:55:36,420 Um, so I think that would be a good opportunity for us to take a break, 1059 00:55:36,421 --> 00:55:38,341 have a private consultation. 1060 00:55:41,261 --> 00:55:42,741 - Jay? - [Jamie sighs] 1061 00:55:44,181 --> 00:55:45,860 - Jay, you all right? - Yeah. 1062 00:55:45,861 --> 00:55:47,420 - Yeah? - [Paul] I think we should. 1063 00:55:47,421 --> 00:55:51,020 - I'd insist on that. - I know. I don't think it's a good idea. 1064 00:55:51,021 --> 00:55:53,340 'Cause he's told them he's not even a friend. 1065 00:55:53,341 --> 00:55:54,780 He doesn't really know her. 1066 00:55:54,781 --> 00:55:58,220 And he's got nothing to hide. So go on. So he's gonna tell you. 1067 00:55:58,221 --> 00:55:59,900 - [Bascombe] Fine. - [Misha] Yeah. 1068 00:55:59,901 --> 00:56:01,061 - Okay. - [Bascombe] Okay. 1069 00:56:01,781 --> 00:56:02,820 [Bascombe] Okay, so, Jamie, 1070 00:56:02,821 --> 00:56:08,341 we've been looking through CCTV images of you and Katie from last night, okay? 1071 00:56:09,261 --> 00:56:14,461 We've gone through council footage, local businesses. 1072 00:56:15,301 --> 00:56:19,300 What we've managed to do is we've put together a timeline of her movements 1073 00:56:19,301 --> 00:56:21,021 and your movements, okay? 1074 00:56:22,181 --> 00:56:25,301 So this is you, isn't it? In the middle there. 1075 00:56:25,821 --> 00:56:29,660 Meadows... Meadows Square, 7:43 p.m. 1076 00:56:29,661 --> 00:56:30,621 So that's you. 1077 00:56:31,341 --> 00:56:34,340 We can tell it's you. We can see your jumper, your jeans, 1078 00:56:34,341 --> 00:56:36,421 the Nike Air Max we just discussed. 1079 00:56:37,061 --> 00:56:40,500 And these are your two friends, Tommy, and we think Ryan. We're not too sure. 1080 00:56:40,501 --> 00:56:43,180 You were with them for about an hour, and then you left them. 1081 00:56:43,181 --> 00:56:46,380 [Misha] Then you just wandered around for quite a long time, didn't you? 1082 00:56:46,381 --> 00:56:50,301 [Bascombe] We see you here at the Battered Plaice, 9:02 p.m. 1083 00:56:50,981 --> 00:56:54,940 Got you here passing the library, 9:17 p.m. 1084 00:56:54,941 --> 00:56:58,020 Got you here at the corner of Shetney, 9:43 p.m. 1085 00:56:58,021 --> 00:56:59,341 These are you, right? 1086 00:56:59,861 --> 00:57:01,660 - All of 'em, yeah? - [Jamie] Yeah. 1087 00:57:01,661 --> 00:57:02,581 [Bascombe] Good. 1088 00:57:04,101 --> 00:57:06,181 Then, Katie pops up. 1089 00:57:08,061 --> 00:57:12,021 See, we don't see when you spotted her, but we do see you following her. 1090 00:57:13,101 --> 00:57:14,661 Why were you following her, Jamie? 1091 00:57:16,421 --> 00:57:18,021 [Jamie sniffles] Dad. 1092 00:57:19,381 --> 00:57:21,021 Answer the question, son. 1093 00:57:22,661 --> 00:57:23,500 I wasn't-- 1094 00:57:23,501 --> 00:57:27,180 [Bascombe] She's walking past the crossing at 4 Bridge Street at 9:46 p.m. 1095 00:57:27,181 --> 00:57:29,941 You can clearly see that here. Everyone can see that, right? 1096 00:57:30,541 --> 00:57:33,180 And at 9:47 p.m., same place, 1097 00:57:33,181 --> 00:57:36,261 walking in the same direction, is you, Jamie. 1098 00:57:36,781 --> 00:57:39,100 So you were following her. I'll ask you again. 1099 00:57:39,101 --> 00:57:40,980 - Why were you following her? - [Jamie] I wasn't. 1100 00:57:40,981 --> 00:57:43,140 - Did she know you were following? - [Jamie] I wasn't. 1101 00:57:43,141 --> 00:57:45,420 Is there some sort of problem between you two? 1102 00:57:45,421 --> 00:57:46,661 - [Jamie] No. - Jamie! 1103 00:57:47,621 --> 00:57:48,581 Mate... 1104 00:57:49,861 --> 00:57:51,421 It's not just gonna go away. 1105 00:57:54,501 --> 00:57:56,421 You sure you don't wanna tell us what happened? 1106 00:57:57,021 --> 00:57:59,061 You're gonna have to say it sooner or later. 1107 00:57:59,741 --> 00:58:01,740 [Jamie takes a breath] 1108 00:58:01,741 --> 00:58:04,021 I haven't done anything wrong. 1109 00:58:06,501 --> 00:58:07,341 [Bascombe] Okay. 1110 00:58:08,621 --> 00:58:11,141 I'm now going to play you some footage. 1111 00:58:12,101 --> 00:58:16,100 This is of you and Katie from the car park last night 1112 00:58:16,101 --> 00:58:18,381 where a confrontation happened, okay? 1113 00:58:36,261 --> 00:58:37,260 [Eddie] Ja... 1114 00:58:37,261 --> 00:58:39,341 [Jamie crying] 1115 00:58:45,381 --> 00:58:46,460 Jay. 1116 00:58:46,461 --> 00:58:48,661 [Bascombe] I think that's enough, okay? 1117 00:58:49,181 --> 00:58:50,581 [Jamie sniffles] 1118 00:58:53,141 --> 00:58:54,421 [Bascombe] That's where we are. 1119 00:59:02,741 --> 00:59:05,541 How did you get home without anyone seeing you, Jamie? 1120 00:59:09,541 --> 00:59:10,501 Hmm? 1121 00:59:12,061 --> 00:59:14,021 You threw away your clothes. 1122 00:59:15,261 --> 00:59:17,781 We didn't see when it happened, but we know it happened. 1123 00:59:18,381 --> 00:59:19,980 You kept your trainers. 1124 00:59:19,981 --> 00:59:21,220 [sniffles] 1125 00:59:21,221 --> 00:59:22,981 [Bascombe] Too expensive, am I right? 1126 00:59:27,061 --> 00:59:29,141 There will be blood on those trainers, Jamie. 1127 00:59:29,661 --> 00:59:31,461 And with this tape as evidence, 1128 00:59:32,981 --> 00:59:34,301 it's not looking good. 1129 00:59:39,221 --> 00:59:40,941 - [Jamie sniffles] - [sighs] 1130 00:59:42,541 --> 00:59:43,781 [exhales deeply] 1131 00:59:48,781 --> 00:59:50,741 Do you want to give us a reason why? 1132 00:59:52,301 --> 00:59:53,261 Hmm? 1133 00:59:54,341 --> 00:59:56,261 Why would you do something like this? 1134 00:59:58,061 --> 01:00:01,101 Jamie, do you want to explain? 1135 01:00:07,181 --> 01:00:09,301 Do you want to say sorry to Katie's mum? 1136 01:00:10,781 --> 01:00:14,020 Who I had to talk to just past midnight last night, 1137 01:00:14,021 --> 01:00:18,301 while she was sobbing on the floor because her daughter is gone. 1138 01:00:20,821 --> 01:00:22,581 Do you wanna say sorry to her? 1139 01:00:27,181 --> 01:00:28,421 [Jamie sobs] 1140 01:00:32,581 --> 01:00:37,020 [Bascombe] I'm terminating this interview at 7:12 a.m. Let's go. 1141 01:00:37,021 --> 01:00:39,381 [recorder beeps] 1142 01:00:40,261 --> 01:00:42,620 [Bascombe exhales deeply] 1143 01:00:42,621 --> 01:00:43,981 [Misha sighs] 1144 01:00:47,181 --> 01:00:48,661 I'll give you two a minute. 1145 01:00:51,301 --> 01:00:52,421 [Jamie sniffles] 1146 01:00:54,661 --> 01:00:55,981 [door closes] 1147 01:00:57,021 --> 01:00:58,141 [sniffles] 1148 01:01:01,181 --> 01:01:02,501 [sobs] 1149 01:01:06,061 --> 01:01:07,380 [sniffles] 1150 01:01:07,381 --> 01:01:09,061 - Dad? - [Eddie sobs] 1151 01:01:15,181 --> 01:01:16,020 Dad? 1152 01:01:16,021 --> 01:01:17,581 [Eddie crying] 1153 01:01:20,421 --> 01:01:22,061 [sniffles] Dad? 1154 01:01:24,981 --> 01:01:25,821 Dad? 1155 01:01:29,741 --> 01:01:30,941 [Eddie grunts] 1156 01:01:41,781 --> 01:01:42,981 What have you done? 1157 01:01:45,861 --> 01:01:47,981 - [sniffles] - What have you done? 1158 01:01:53,141 --> 01:01:54,421 [sobs] 1159 01:01:56,821 --> 01:01:57,941 Why? 1160 01:02:01,021 --> 01:02:02,621 [Eddie sobbing] 1161 01:02:05,261 --> 01:02:06,781 [Jamie] Dad, it wasn't me. 1162 01:02:09,381 --> 01:02:12,340 - I've not done anything. - [both sobbing] 1163 01:02:12,341 --> 01:02:16,301 [somber music playing] 1164 01:03:10,941 --> 01:03:13,341 [music fades] 1165 01:03:13,341 --> 01:03:18,341 DOWNLOADED FROM WWW.AWAFIM.TV 1166 01:03:13,341 --> 01:03:23,341 For latest movies and series with subtitles Visit WWW.AWAFIM.TV Today 88457