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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,259 --> 00:00:09,400 he was an outsider who became an icon of 2 00:00:06,940 --> 00:00:11,289 Irish ballads featuring Sinead O'Connor 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,510 and Nick Cave some strong language night 4 00:00:11,289 --> 00:00:16,558 in the great hunger the life and songs 5 00:00:13,509 --> 00:00:16,559 of Shane MacGowan 6 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:58,599 as I wandered down the long lonesome 7 00:01:49,989 --> 00:02:01,229 highway I made other people away the 8 00:01:58,599 --> 00:02:01,229 brokenhearted 9 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,300 living on 10 00:02:09,270 --> 00:02:19,740 I don't think anyone writes better 11 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:21,810 lyrics and shame ago I think well he is 12 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:26,969 what Keith Richards would describe as a 13 00:02:21,810 --> 00:02:29,879 specialist she none I mean and you know 14 00:02:26,969 --> 00:02:31,379 the words or everything you know for him 15 00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:38,310 that's that's where he lives 16 00:02:31,379 --> 00:02:46,409 really the people love me as I go on my 17 00:02:38,310 --> 00:02:51,650 way they all have a story to tell Holly 18 00:02:46,409 --> 00:02:56,079 one left 19 00:02:51,650 --> 00:02:56,079 on the bow the water 20 00:03:05,539 --> 00:03:11,009 it's one of the few singers that we can 21 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:13,139 say of in 1997 main that in a hundred 22 00:03:11,009 --> 00:03:15,298 years time people will still be singing 23 00:03:13,139 --> 00:03:17,309 and still be playing the songs of Shane 24 00:03:15,299 --> 00:03:20,480 MacGowan who else in Ireland even bottle 25 00:03:17,310 --> 00:03:20,479 can we say that about 26 00:03:30,049 --> 00:03:34,969 he's operating on two engines funny as 27 00:03:32,688 --> 00:03:36,919 Ford he's genius plan he's completely 28 00:03:34,969 --> 00:03:39,199 up imagine how much more genius 29 00:03:36,919 --> 00:03:40,639 he would be if he wasn't illusion so 30 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:42,289 that's the main kind of feeling I left 31 00:03:40,639 --> 00:03:44,598 with her if somebody said to me what 32 00:03:42,289 --> 00:03:47,780 what would you say is that is that him 33 00:03:44,598 --> 00:03:49,908 I hope he doesn't smash himself entirely 34 00:03:47,780 --> 00:03:53,890 you know to me because because it is a 35 00:03:49,908 --> 00:03:53,889 very incredible beauty that he does have 36 00:04:04,330 --> 00:04:06,360 Oh 37 00:04:11,530 --> 00:04:14,530 so 38 00:04:29,019 --> 00:04:34,009 in the early 1980s Shane MacGowan and 39 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:36,620 his band the poll seemed to have come 40 00:04:34,009 --> 00:04:39,500 from nowhere against the backdrop of the 41 00:04:36,620 --> 00:04:41,660 Fae charms of the New Romantics McGowan 42 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:45,168 unleashed his anarchic drunken crew on a 43 00:04:41,660 --> 00:04:46,880 British public at a time when it was 44 00:04:45,168 --> 00:04:49,279 neither popular nor fashionable to be 45 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:51,649 Irish in Britain McGowan fed his 46 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,500 audience an uncompromising diet of Irish 47 00:04:51,649 --> 00:04:56,388 pub and rebel songs but it was his 48 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:58,189 songwriting talent that made the Pokes 49 00:04:56,389 --> 00:05:00,519 one of the most popular bands of the 50 00:04:58,189 --> 00:05:00,519 1980s 51 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:09,860 at this time McGowan's drinking and 52 00:05:08,089 --> 00:05:12,319 consumption of other chemicals with that 53 00:05:09,860 --> 00:05:13,819 of legend and the line between his own 54 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:15,709 lifestyle and the drunks and 55 00:05:13,819 --> 00:05:19,040 down-and-outs of his songs had become 56 00:05:15,709 --> 00:05:21,799 blurred hero to the Irish in London 57 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,960 McGowan's pump freshen of Irish music 58 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,199 was way out of sync with the respectable 59 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:28,279 face of Ireland in the nineteen eighties 60 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:32,620 he was an embarrassment 61 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,619 the drunken paddy reincarnated 62 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:40,439 took a long time the respectable island 63 00:05:37,209 --> 00:05:40,438 to accept him as one of their own 64 00:05:40,649 --> 00:05:45,569 this is the extraordinary story of how a 65 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:47,520 North London Punk transformed himself 66 00:05:45,569 --> 00:05:49,918 into one of Ireland's greatest living 67 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:53,000 balladeers while threatening to destroy 68 00:05:49,918 --> 00:05:53,000 himself in the process 69 00:06:00,930 --> 00:06:07,028 Shane MacGowan was born on Christmas Day 70 00:06:04,259 --> 00:06:09,689 1957 on the banks of the river Shannon 71 00:06:07,028 --> 00:06:09,689 in rural Ireland 72 00:06:17,970 --> 00:06:20,690 is good 73 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:24,799 work at you 74 00:06:32,250 --> 00:06:36,819 we spent the first six years of his life 75 00:06:34,449 --> 00:06:39,780 in kearney Commons in County Tipperary 76 00:06:36,819 --> 00:06:39,780 in this house 77 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,870 just like sure 78 00:07:01,218 --> 00:07:08,778 Fotis house is a boys bein by singing 79 00:07:05,189 --> 00:07:12,389 war regard is harmed 80 00:07:08,778 --> 00:07:17,028 there was about soil people living here 81 00:07:12,389 --> 00:07:24,538 like sleep in three to evade night I 82 00:07:17,028 --> 00:07:29,968 usually used to sleep under thing over 83 00:07:24,538 --> 00:07:32,848 there that counts which is thinking more 84 00:07:29,968 --> 00:07:37,338 comfortable in sleeper and three no 85 00:07:32,848 --> 00:07:39,868 abate and the radio is nice too as well 86 00:07:37,338 --> 00:07:42,899 like when I was a kid there was no 87 00:07:39,869 --> 00:07:51,059 television in here was there was no 88 00:07:42,899 --> 00:07:56,218 running water there was electric light 89 00:07:51,059 --> 00:08:01,830 and and hard for the coke on there was 90 00:07:56,218 --> 00:08:09,538 no cooker I know the basic yeah I was 91 00:08:01,829 --> 00:08:13,079 Boise and beautiful you know it was the 92 00:08:09,538 --> 00:08:20,938 end of an era though I just happened to 93 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:23,068 cash I'm glad I caught it you know the 94 00:08:20,939 --> 00:08:27,629 thing I remember most Botha family is 95 00:08:23,069 --> 00:08:29,338 the music that they every every weekend 96 00:08:27,629 --> 00:08:33,538 and sometimes in the middle of the week 97 00:08:29,338 --> 00:08:36,120 I mean we had us for the you had music 98 00:08:33,538 --> 00:08:41,448 you had dancing set dancing in the old 99 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:45,629 kitchen floor and you had songs so he 100 00:08:41,448 --> 00:08:48,559 absorbed all that wonderful traditional 101 00:08:45,629 --> 00:08:51,899 Irish music and singing and dancing 102 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:54,539 through his pores when he was at a very 103 00:08:51,899 --> 00:08:56,909 formative age you know and just had a 104 00:08:54,539 --> 00:08:59,730 tremendous influence on him you know and 105 00:08:56,909 --> 00:09:02,278 on his love of Irish music and on his 106 00:08:59,730 --> 00:09:06,409 desire really to do thing for Irish 107 00:09:02,278 --> 00:09:09,080 music as well are you read sing here 108 00:09:06,409 --> 00:09:14,480 you know and playing anything in dance 109 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:19,639 and Friday Saturday and Sunday the door 110 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:22,159 was up in Illinois and you know be a 111 00:09:19,639 --> 00:09:24,980 place to go for a session you know I 112 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:29,959 mean it was a constant session was all 113 00:09:24,980 --> 00:09:33,230 weekend you know and I'll be stuck up on 114 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:39,590 the table from the earliest I joke in 115 00:09:33,230 --> 00:09:44,120 remember and childhood saying what songs 116 00:09:39,590 --> 00:09:47,420 on you you know I I remember exactly my 117 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:50,480 repertoire graduating straight crazy you 118 00:09:47,419 --> 00:09:53,949 know so long I didn't know first gig 119 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,950 when I was straight you know 120 00:10:00,750 --> 00:10:09,059 I didn't have this sort of someone who's 121 00:10:05,879 --> 00:10:11,730 dropping our until they're 20 or 122 00:10:09,059 --> 00:10:14,939 something you know is always cursing 123 00:10:11,730 --> 00:10:19,889 like the Church in the Christian 124 00:10:14,940 --> 00:10:23,340 Brothers and and the small-mindedness 125 00:10:19,889 --> 00:10:27,509 and then gossip being in the side is 126 00:10:23,340 --> 00:10:32,730 Amanda brutai in and the OD odor bad 127 00:10:27,509 --> 00:10:37,259 things you can say about Irish sorry you 128 00:10:32,730 --> 00:10:46,610 know I write all I ever had was sir 129 00:10:37,259 --> 00:10:50,460 happy times this song is called Aisling 130 00:10:46,610 --> 00:10:54,210 Aisling is a woman's name but it's also 131 00:10:50,460 --> 00:10:55,920 the Irish Irish word for a dream and I 132 00:10:54,210 --> 00:10:58,560 was talking to Shane backstage in 133 00:10:55,919 --> 00:11:00,779 Finsbury Park some years ago and he told 134 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:05,269 me about this lyric and he sent it over 135 00:11:00,779 --> 00:11:05,269 to me and I just started singing her 136 00:11:07,789 --> 00:11:14,419 look at how the bright new moon is 137 00:11:10,379 --> 00:11:17,279 rising above the land a black-and-gray 138 00:11:14,419 --> 00:11:22,199 listen to the rebel voice is called an 139 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:24,600 AI unit Aida uberrimae the ant upstairs 140 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,810 in the bed she's callin ye is he first 141 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:30,329 secondly 142 00:11:26,809 --> 00:11:33,539 fed the pictures in the hallway but she 143 00:11:30,328 --> 00:11:36,059 damn bro loss to see 144 00:11:33,539 --> 00:11:39,349 let's the wooden the chicks the barley 145 00:11:36,059 --> 00:11:41,939 course the spared and course the plow I 146 00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:43,920 come to the years and new weeks and days 147 00:11:41,940 --> 00:11:46,130 and I wish to God the livers but you 148 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:46,129 know 149 00:11:52,129 --> 00:11:59,080 redneck fun dreams he you still hunt 150 00:11:54,350 --> 00:11:59,080 make by Russ the Grendel see 151 00:11:59,778 --> 00:12:10,490 and the wind blows north and south to 152 00:12:06,450 --> 00:12:10,490 the east and to do less 153 00:12:10,929 --> 00:12:26,159 I'll be like the wind my love I will no 154 00:12:16,778 --> 00:12:26,159 no rest until I return today 155 00:12:28,019 --> 00:12:36,549 1 2 3 4 telegraph poles burn under coal 156 00:12:32,259 --> 00:12:38,409 black road the nauseous Boorstin in to 157 00:12:36,549 --> 00:12:40,169 mourn and give visitor up a year sweet 158 00:12:38,409 --> 00:12:42,759 pudgy 159 00:12:40,169 --> 00:12:44,829 the rain was lation the sun was rising 160 00:12:42,759 --> 00:12:48,819 the new wind was whipping through the 161 00:12:44,830 --> 00:12:50,350 tree the madness from the mountains 162 00:12:48,820 --> 00:12:54,850 crawl and when the tally first 163 00:12:50,350 --> 00:12:57,009 me or nationally this stupid the chicks 164 00:12:54,850 --> 00:12:59,379 the barrel the curse despair and cursed 165 00:12:57,009 --> 00:13:01,448 cloud 166 00:12:59,379 --> 00:13:03,429 I don't thirty years and weeks and days 167 00:13:01,448 --> 00:13:05,519 and the wish to garland it wasn't you 168 00:13:03,429 --> 00:13:08,309 know 169 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:11,639 ferdi well in the Black Cat Island very 170 00:13:08,309 --> 00:13:14,549 well hi Ashley 171 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:18,379 unlike for dreams you used to hum it by 172 00:13:14,549 --> 00:13:18,379 Russ tendency 173 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:43,100 yay McGraw who calling this old ma 174 00:13:38,269 --> 00:13:45,929 moshling gal moshling gal mash them down 175 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:49,759 good night my sweet black-haired dream 176 00:13:45,929 --> 00:13:53,179 woman I couldn't make a shrink 177 00:13:49,759 --> 00:13:53,179 my darlin 178 00:13:54,778 --> 00:14:00,120 unfair Plataea Shane MacGowan from pecan 179 00:13:57,688 --> 00:14:09,539 and County Tipperary but you know how to 180 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:11,278 write them by Talia nice one in 1963 181 00:14:09,539 --> 00:14:13,409 McGowan and his family became a 182 00:14:11,278 --> 00:14:17,188 statistic in the massive wave of Irish 183 00:14:13,409 --> 00:14:18,870 immigration to Britain his father worked 184 00:14:17,188 --> 00:14:21,179 for the CNA department store and the 185 00:14:18,870 --> 00:14:27,959 family moved around a lot mainly in the 186 00:14:21,179 --> 00:14:32,219 Southeast of England it was very strange 187 00:14:27,958 --> 00:14:34,768 you know very strange in like on every 188 00:14:32,220 --> 00:14:39,300 sort of settle down felt it was anywhere 189 00:14:34,769 --> 00:14:41,339 alone I think it was a very sure my 190 00:14:39,299 --> 00:14:45,299 choice at first you know I mean but like 191 00:14:41,339 --> 00:14:49,970 I got I got I didn't enjoy I didn't 192 00:14:45,299 --> 00:14:49,969 enjoy my life which others you know I I 193 00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:57,199 always felt in a constant state it's 194 00:14:53,250 --> 00:15:00,480 Rama tell you the truth right because um 195 00:14:57,198 --> 00:15:03,778 because I always felt I came back here I 196 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:09,778 let my breath out and over there was um 197 00:15:03,778 --> 00:15:11,850 I felt lonely you know you yes really 198 00:15:09,778 --> 00:15:13,708 really feel that it's a part of yourself 199 00:15:11,850 --> 00:15:17,480 that is missing like and you must be 200 00:15:13,708 --> 00:15:17,479 reunited with it that kind of thing 201 00:15:23,070 --> 00:15:30,300 I think a lot of the people who 202 00:15:27,570 --> 00:15:32,639 emigrated felt that it was a temporary 203 00:15:30,299 --> 00:15:36,689 arrangement they were going to guess 204 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:38,310 something like say wealth jobs education 205 00:15:36,690 --> 00:15:41,940 whatever else and then they were going 206 00:15:38,309 --> 00:15:45,328 to come back there was very often no 207 00:15:41,940 --> 00:15:47,250 integration into English life mainstream 208 00:15:45,328 --> 00:15:49,198 English life from any of them they 209 00:15:47,250 --> 00:15:50,850 didn't register to vote they didn't 210 00:15:49,198 --> 00:15:53,429 participate in any sense 211 00:15:50,850 --> 00:15:55,319 very often didn't even apply for say 212 00:15:53,429 --> 00:15:56,698 council housing for which they would 213 00:15:55,318 --> 00:15:59,729 have been or to which they would have 214 00:15:56,698 --> 00:16:02,099 been entitled they were all the time in 215 00:15:59,730 --> 00:16:03,720 their own minds going home and they 216 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:08,190 didn't want to take any further steps 217 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:09,750 into life in England now for children 218 00:16:08,190 --> 00:16:12,449 growing up in that environment is 219 00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:18,899 basically saying look your real life is 220 00:16:12,448 --> 00:16:24,120 taking place elsewhere we move around a 221 00:16:18,899 --> 00:16:26,698 lot you know and but wherever I know you 222 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:29,000 know I mean Jude Law said there was a 223 00:16:26,698 --> 00:16:34,769 lot of relatives and stuff for that and 224 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:36,990 all living on hand but my parents were 225 00:16:34,769 --> 00:16:38,490 really unhappy going you know I mean I 226 00:16:36,990 --> 00:16:42,149 could tell my parents were really 227 00:16:38,490 --> 00:16:45,060 unhappy I was very unsettled long 228 00:16:42,149 --> 00:16:47,940 darling I never really settled in 229 00:16:45,059 --> 00:16:50,698 England you know anything the English 230 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:53,819 people are great you know I love them 231 00:16:50,698 --> 00:16:56,129 and but the general atmosphere is very 232 00:16:53,818 --> 00:16:58,469 puritanical compared with our lenders 233 00:16:56,129 --> 00:17:02,399 that's a bit of saying isn't as you know 234 00:16:58,470 --> 00:17:04,199 it's a bit paradoxical really because 235 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:07,909 they have all the right laws I think 236 00:17:04,199 --> 00:17:10,529 that you know the wrong application I 237 00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:12,959 mean we're the oldest people aren't for 238 00:17:10,529 --> 00:17:18,928 him in this that's her that's what makes 239 00:17:12,959 --> 00:17:23,289 us free people are thinking the way nine 240 00:17:18,929 --> 00:17:29,240 years ago I fell 241 00:17:23,289 --> 00:17:36,079 in love with a lady proud and fair 242 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:43,759 they're so passionate were she and I we 243 00:17:36,079 --> 00:17:51,740 made fire in the air I loved her more 244 00:17:43,759 --> 00:17:59,000 than life itself she loved me just the 245 00:17:51,740 --> 00:18:07,370 same and it broke my heart to think we'd 246 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:15,679 part if she ended the affair but I was 247 00:18:07,369 --> 00:18:23,750 brutal I was ignorant I was cruel I was 248 00:18:15,679 --> 00:18:31,160 brash I never gave a damn about the 249 00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:37,970 beauty that I smashed no say this star 250 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:44,960 yet I found delight in making my love 251 00:18:37,970 --> 00:18:53,410 cry now I'd pray for a single kiss from 252 00:18:44,960 --> 00:19:00,860 her to be lashed and crucified and now I 253 00:18:53,410 --> 00:19:07,279 fear this lady fair can never more be 254 00:19:00,859 --> 00:19:14,469 mine long gone are nights in my 255 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:19,819 only bet Oh suffering and crying and 256 00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:27,049 though I fear that through this life 257 00:19:19,819 --> 00:19:35,058 she'll call me only friend till I'm dead 258 00:19:27,049 --> 00:19:38,138 and buried in my grave my love will 259 00:19:35,058 --> 00:19:38,138 ever end 260 00:19:48,690 --> 00:19:53,799 Shane left school at 16 and spent most 261 00:19:52,029 --> 00:19:56,440 of his time drifting around Soho and 262 00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:58,210 Piccadilly he found casual work based 263 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:01,180 around the two enduring loves of his 264 00:19:58,210 --> 00:20:03,329 life working as a barman and on a record 265 00:20:01,180 --> 00:20:03,330 store 266 00:20:05,059 --> 00:20:11,109 then in 1976 punk happened 267 00:20:28,589 --> 00:20:34,199 it was quite a violent year 976 we've 268 00:20:32,460 --> 00:20:38,370 been getting more violent since the 269 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:46,769 early seventies and life and it's a pate 270 00:20:38,369 --> 00:20:49,109 in 1976 this fingers up tight music and 271 00:20:46,769 --> 00:20:54,210 things outside actually they're not I 272 00:20:49,109 --> 00:20:56,639 was at vacant nihilistic sort of thing 273 00:20:54,210 --> 00:20:59,759 they put crosses the way to arms well 274 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:02,330 you know most people my age were feeling 275 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,329 you know I mean 276 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,298 I remember once he told me that he had 277 00:21:07,859 --> 00:21:13,408 only really ever been happy jun-hyung 278 00:21:09,298 --> 00:21:14,970 since his childhood and the happiness 279 00:21:13,409 --> 00:21:18,119 was somehow linked to the sense of 280 00:21:14,970 --> 00:21:21,089 energy and chaos and I think Punk give 281 00:21:18,118 --> 00:21:24,898 him that sense of belonging there was a 282 00:21:21,089 --> 00:21:27,418 saying you know no I mean there is like 283 00:21:24,898 --> 00:21:31,079 about a hundred Punk's in London you 284 00:21:27,419 --> 00:21:34,129 know I mean so I you know I you know if 285 00:21:31,079 --> 00:21:39,319 he saw another Punk you know it was like 286 00:21:34,128 --> 00:21:39,319 you know I immediately saw my contact 287 00:21:48,609 --> 00:21:56,019 was that the front of yielding so 288 00:21:52,250 --> 00:21:56,019 classic in the osci 289 00:21:57,269 --> 00:22:06,069 with this girl called Jane who is 290 00:22:00,220 --> 00:22:08,620 lighter in her mouth - and we were 291 00:22:06,069 --> 00:22:11,049 biting each other and then it got more 292 00:22:08,619 --> 00:22:14,500 outrageous and she brought the button 293 00:22:11,049 --> 00:22:16,769 stored cold and me up and she got me in 294 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:19,930 here and your air blades a lot not only 295 00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:21,490 son this photographer took these 296 00:22:19,930 --> 00:22:24,970 father's you know I know you made the 297 00:22:21,490 --> 00:22:29,259 term abandoned it looked as if my heir 298 00:22:24,970 --> 00:22:31,210 had been he said in India it said my ear 299 00:22:29,259 --> 00:22:35,980 had been paid enough you know me but I 300 00:22:31,210 --> 00:22:37,840 had just been cut bait by the boat Shane 301 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:39,789 certainly was was photographed a lot you 302 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:42,730 had the front cover on signs and lying 303 00:22:39,789 --> 00:22:45,579 on his back I mean I feel in many ways 304 00:22:42,730 --> 00:22:48,849 that he was he became a victim of that 305 00:22:45,579 --> 00:22:49,929 image because a lot of his almost like 306 00:22:48,849 --> 00:22:54,069 you were only seen a very small 307 00:22:49,930 --> 00:22:55,570 percentage of who he was and and I can't 308 00:22:54,069 --> 00:22:58,000 help thinking that maybe he started to 309 00:22:55,569 --> 00:23:00,779 pursue that small part and lost a lot of 310 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,779 the bigger parts 311 00:23:02,940 --> 00:23:08,778 the ethos of punk was DIY and everyone 312 00:23:05,788 --> 00:23:08,778 wants to start a band 313 00:23:11,069 --> 00:23:19,649 Shane MacGowan was no exception forming 314 00:23:13,769 --> 00:23:21,329 the nipple directors in 1978 he was 315 00:23:19,650 --> 00:23:23,730 great he was he had a great stage 316 00:23:21,329 --> 00:23:26,309 presence he was he did a lot of kind of 317 00:23:23,730 --> 00:23:30,839 drops to his knees he just had charisma 318 00:23:26,309 --> 00:23:32,460 he had a lot of star quality we went 319 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:34,199 along expecting it to be a lot of fun 320 00:23:32,460 --> 00:23:37,410 you know Shane's band it didn't expect 321 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:41,420 it to be so good what knocked me out was 322 00:23:37,410 --> 00:23:41,420 was the songs the songs were great 323 00:24:03,569 --> 00:24:09,220 you know the most famous song gabrielle 324 00:24:06,099 --> 00:24:13,079 was very melodic and I think he can 325 00:24:09,220 --> 00:24:17,440 trace back you can trace a lineage from 326 00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:19,389 gabrielle onwards of sort of bothered 327 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,950 writing where he became the master of 328 00:24:19,390 --> 00:24:23,470 that really when no one else was doing 329 00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:26,529 it near these so it wasn't really Punk 330 00:24:23,470 --> 00:24:29,730 at all that sensibility was actually 331 00:24:26,529 --> 00:24:32,579 very refined however all right you know 332 00:24:29,730 --> 00:24:37,019 I've seen to write home about 333 00:24:32,579 --> 00:24:37,019 we're a good live bones you know 334 00:24:41,929 --> 00:24:46,288 when McGowan wound up the nips to think 335 00:24:44,548 --> 00:24:48,778 about creating his new act the Pogues 336 00:24:46,288 --> 00:24:52,759 the British charts were dominated by the 337 00:24:48,778 --> 00:24:52,759 synthesizer sounds of the New Romantics 338 00:24:55,138 --> 00:25:01,378 but that was a time where everything was 339 00:24:57,419 --> 00:25:04,679 really boring again it was like the tie 340 00:25:01,378 --> 00:25:07,609 line of New Romantics and all that night 341 00:25:04,679 --> 00:25:10,830 it was one that it was the year of the 342 00:25:07,609 --> 00:25:14,148 one and a guy on a synthesizer 343 00:25:10,829 --> 00:25:14,148 bags you know I mean 344 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,250 you know having expected a clash to 345 00:25:28,409 --> 00:25:31,289 change the world 346 00:25:29,250 --> 00:25:34,319 and it all it only actually led to was 347 00:25:31,288 --> 00:25:36,480 our chance those of us who've been for 348 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:37,859 the cleansing fire of punk-rock expected 349 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,179 a little bit more I think I think that's 350 00:25:37,859 --> 00:25:42,928 what it seems to me that that's whether 351 00:25:39,179 --> 00:25:45,240 we're the Pogues idea was come from the 352 00:25:42,929 --> 00:25:48,480 only alternative was these world music 353 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:52,200 bones you know I mean as either world 354 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:55,220 music bones about plains South American 355 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:57,900 music and African music you know meaning 356 00:25:55,220 --> 00:26:00,089 like the foot classes they ever been 357 00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:05,788 Africa was nothing your gate you know I 358 00:26:00,089 --> 00:26:10,408 mean like right I thought it says we've 359 00:26:05,788 --> 00:26:13,140 got our own indigenous ethnic farm music 360 00:26:10,409 --> 00:26:20,789 oh no oh 361 00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:22,288 back on our doorstep I think the great 362 00:26:20,788 --> 00:26:24,179 the great thing about the Pogues was 363 00:26:22,288 --> 00:26:26,819 they instead of coming up folk music 364 00:26:24,179 --> 00:26:29,580 like Steeleye span and purple convention 365 00:26:26,819 --> 00:26:30,960 with respect they came at it got old a 366 00:26:29,579 --> 00:26:33,199 bit by the lapels and threw it down the 367 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,200 stairs 368 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,659 nobody who never wouldn't never really 369 00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:40,769 gone it like a bunch of navvies if we're 370 00:26:39,659 --> 00:26:43,470 gonna use that price 371 00:26:40,769 --> 00:26:45,899 you know we've sort of like messed it 372 00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:47,278 around and put the put the put a power 373 00:26:45,898 --> 00:26:48,508 drill on it and see what came out and 374 00:26:47,278 --> 00:26:51,028 that's what the pokes did it was really 375 00:26:48,509 --> 00:26:52,889 exciting when you saw them it was really 376 00:26:51,028 --> 00:26:54,269 exciting it was like seeing the clash it 377 00:26:52,888 --> 00:27:08,459 was like going to a punky 378 00:26:54,269 --> 00:27:11,730 it was folk music she and particular was 379 00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:14,639 drawing on an Irish music that was 380 00:27:11,730 --> 00:27:17,548 populist and popular from a decade or so 381 00:27:14,638 --> 00:27:20,339 before this from probably 50s early 60s 382 00:27:17,548 --> 00:27:25,710 and and I am in town I'm killin a night 383 00:27:20,339 --> 00:27:29,699 I could be a star called behind the 384 00:27:25,710 --> 00:27:30,990 dollar why am I alone could be if you if 385 00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:32,759 you take the The Dubliners as the 386 00:27:30,990 --> 00:27:34,349 archetype with her they sang a lot of 387 00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:36,929 body dirty songs and they sang songs 388 00:27:34,349 --> 00:27:41,449 were drinking in excess hold behind the 389 00:27:36,929 --> 00:27:41,450 door where my yellow coat should be 390 00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:45,400 yeah 391 00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:54,860 malaria real fight but my diets are oniy 392 00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:54,859 true ones you know I mean the dirty so 393 00:27:56,180 --> 00:28:10,190 everyone I'm a big influence on as a 394 00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:14,279 kiddos minor when my own pipe could be 395 00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:18,420 well I called me when I said to her will 396 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:22,079 you kindly tell to me who owned the pond 397 00:28:18,420 --> 00:28:23,610 the chair I am gonna be there's a sense 398 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:25,889 of humor that runs through a very black 399 00:28:23,609 --> 00:28:27,659 sense of humor that runs through Irish 400 00:28:25,890 --> 00:28:29,700 music you know just anything bad that 401 00:28:27,660 --> 00:28:31,050 happens it's funny and they'll find a 402 00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:33,569 way to turn the phrase to make it funny 403 00:28:31,049 --> 00:28:35,369 what Shane did that was different was he 404 00:28:33,569 --> 00:28:37,139 didn't always do that he didn't always 405 00:28:35,369 --> 00:28:40,439 sugarcoat it he's just like sort of put 406 00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:43,020 it right in your face I was I know I 407 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,809 personally was suddenly I suddenly got 408 00:28:43,019 --> 00:28:49,619 it I suddenly understood what that sense 409 00:28:45,809 --> 00:28:51,569 of humor in most of the Irish songs that 410 00:28:49,619 --> 00:28:53,129 I've heard was hiding and when he 411 00:28:51,569 --> 00:28:55,769 connected to his heritage you know 412 00:28:53,130 --> 00:29:01,280 something really really profound 413 00:28:55,769 --> 00:29:01,279 happening Camden party 414 00:29:01,950 --> 00:29:15,370 God a very rowdy kind of bosy life you 415 00:29:09,099 --> 00:29:16,990 know my tribe ordiance they all came out 416 00:29:15,369 --> 00:29:22,569 of the woodwork you know these people 417 00:29:16,990 --> 00:29:24,849 who had been nuts about Irish music for 418 00:29:22,569 --> 00:29:28,389 years some people from Irish families 419 00:29:24,849 --> 00:29:31,719 who who listen isn't wholly rare lives 420 00:29:28,390 --> 00:29:38,440 at home no I mean exact four on the 421 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:41,440 jukebox in I suppose you know the span 422 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,000 was a distinctively Aires band and 423 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,789 Avery's band which couldn't have emerged 424 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,829 in Ireland this was a London Irish pound 425 00:29:45,789 --> 00:29:49,990 I mean this was the brashness the 426 00:29:47,829 --> 00:29:52,089 aggression and the energy of muggle 427 00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:54,359 paints Fusiliers and the Poblana fraidy 428 00:29:52,089 --> 00:29:54,359 Nate 429 00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:04,339 the London air is felt and rightly so 430 00:30:01,970 --> 00:30:05,750 that they had been to some extent 431 00:30:04,339 --> 00:30:09,349 second-class citizens in the country 432 00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:12,049 that they lived in and also that they 433 00:30:09,349 --> 00:30:14,659 were a source of embarrassment to people 434 00:30:12,049 --> 00:30:16,430 in Ireland they were coated the the 435 00:30:14,660 --> 00:30:20,000 labourer and Paddy working on the 436 00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:23,230 railways and drunkenness and and others 437 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,230 and somewhere that's true of course 438 00:30:26,298 --> 00:30:29,989 for people London Aries people she had 439 00:30:28,579 --> 00:30:32,598 magome was the first voice the first 440 00:30:29,989 --> 00:30:35,649 person that arose from with unknown to 441 00:30:32,598 --> 00:30:40,009 give to give defiant and poetic 442 00:30:35,648 --> 00:30:42,588 expression to a community which had 443 00:30:40,009 --> 00:30:52,219 never really felt able to proclaim 444 00:30:42,588 --> 00:30:54,108 itself over the next few years The 445 00:30:52,219 --> 00:30:57,320 Pogues released three commercially and 446 00:30:54,108 --> 00:30:59,388 critically successful albums the single 447 00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:01,848 most important thing that catapulted 448 00:30:59,388 --> 00:31:03,738 them out of a London Irish ghetto was 449 00:31:01,848 --> 00:31:06,428 the sheer quality of Shane MacGowan 450 00:31:03,739 --> 00:31:06,429 songwriting 451 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:19,798 oh and I am 452 00:31:15,419 --> 00:31:21,269 I mean okay his voice is very Irish but 453 00:31:19,798 --> 00:31:22,048 the emotion that comes out is 454 00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:24,838 international 455 00:31:22,048 --> 00:31:28,759 I mean people all over the world relate 456 00:31:24,838 --> 00:31:28,759 to Shen stories 457 00:31:34,420 --> 00:31:40,420 that was looking 458 00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:42,759 when we go by label 459 00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:45,099 there was no 460 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:48,219 I think the first one I learned was a 461 00:31:45,098 --> 00:31:51,038 pair of brown eyes and I loved the 462 00:31:48,219 --> 00:31:55,119 imagery of them it reminded me very much 463 00:31:51,038 --> 00:31:58,989 of em a grand a great great granduncle 464 00:31:55,118 --> 00:32:03,158 of mine who was blown up in the end of 465 00:31:58,989 --> 00:32:07,269 first world war and a couple years ago I 466 00:32:03,159 --> 00:32:10,059 was over in in Belgium and I found his 467 00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:12,249 name on the wall and that night I was 468 00:32:10,058 --> 00:32:13,868 playing at this big festival and I spoke 469 00:32:12,249 --> 00:32:16,149 about to all these Belgian and French 470 00:32:13,868 --> 00:32:19,028 people and German people and I signed 471 00:32:16,148 --> 00:32:21,728 the pair of brown eyes and it was just I 472 00:32:19,028 --> 00:32:25,769 felt the whole audience felt what I'd 473 00:32:21,729 --> 00:32:25,769 felt that day through shinsung 474 00:32:29,069 --> 00:32:35,700 oh I like to write about what's 475 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:39,439 happening around the cars and what's the 476 00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:39,440 my own personal angst 477 00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:44,470 when I win 478 00:32:50,259 --> 00:32:57,230 for me what's happening around me 479 00:32:52,819 --> 00:32:59,359 this book is it's affecting what's going 480 00:32:57,230 --> 00:33:03,670 on inside me anyway you know this so 481 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:03,669 they're not separable you know 482 00:33:08,019 --> 00:33:14,109 I love the time the actual songs are 483 00:33:11,169 --> 00:33:17,470 structured like little narratives and if 484 00:33:14,109 --> 00:33:19,240 you think of a great Pogues song like 485 00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:20,909 the old me and drag being a trainer one 486 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,589 of the best songs he has ever written 487 00:33:20,909 --> 00:33:27,309 it's it's romantic but it's unflinching 488 00:33:23,589 --> 00:33:29,408 it's graphic it takes it doesn't it's 489 00:33:27,308 --> 00:33:31,118 not a song about as some of the old W 490 00:33:29,409 --> 00:33:32,679 songs would be like like I'll paint 491 00:33:31,118 --> 00:33:34,658 Fusiliers what would be about you know 492 00:33:32,679 --> 00:33:37,090 builders are people who built the roads 493 00:33:34,659 --> 00:33:40,360 and it's about rentboys you know it's 494 00:33:37,089 --> 00:33:41,980 about the flotsam and jetsam off of the 495 00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:45,668 exiled experience is about people lying 496 00:33:41,980 --> 00:33:48,450 and Soho and taking diners and getting 497 00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:54,430 drunk to get him through their life 498 00:33:48,450 --> 00:33:57,940 one evening as I was lying down in last 499 00:33:54,430 --> 00:34:01,450 I was picked off by the covers and 500 00:33:57,940 --> 00:34:05,680 kicked in the balls but suena metal 501 00:34:01,450 --> 00:34:11,769 doors at vine say I was baton 502 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:16,500 and I ruin my good looks funny old 503 00:34:11,769 --> 00:34:16,500 and I should say Simeon 504 00:34:17,648 --> 00:34:20,878 what trouble 505 00:34:22,090 --> 00:34:29,858 shouts Undercovers were come along 506 00:34:28,050 --> 00:34:34,089 I'm about 507 00:34:29,858 --> 00:34:38,398 I wish they can escape from me all mine 508 00:34:34,088 --> 00:34:42,148 try and I am like 509 00:34:38,398 --> 00:34:44,179 I've had too much booze I've been spat 510 00:34:42,148 --> 00:34:44,179 on 511 00:34:45,898 --> 00:34:56,739 I wish I could bike for some money to 512 00:34:54,148 --> 00:34:59,549 take me from 513 00:34:56,739 --> 00:34:59,549 mine's right 514 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:16,600 Shayne always gave money to beggars I 515 00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:19,750 don't know he still does but he always 516 00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:21,730 gave money to beggars whenever he saw 517 00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:23,710 them and if drunks approached to me 518 00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:26,849 always gave him some money and there was 519 00:35:23,710 --> 00:35:29,260 a way that and he would talk about an 520 00:35:26,849 --> 00:35:32,650 expectation that's where he was going to 521 00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:34,860 be someday you know that and that he 522 00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:37,180 didn't didn't sound like a fear to me 523 00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:39,039 you know nothing else is working I can 524 00:35:37,179 --> 00:35:41,409 always go any embankment with the butler 525 00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:44,920 mouths you know and in strum a guitar 526 00:35:41,409 --> 00:35:47,139 and enough money to drink I remember 527 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,460 meeting him once and I was coming from a 528 00:35:47,139 --> 00:35:50,469 warehouse party of something in Kings 529 00:35:48,460 --> 00:35:52,659 Cross and he was coming along the 530 00:35:50,469 --> 00:35:55,989 pavement probably at 4:00 in the morning 531 00:35:52,659 --> 00:35:59,710 on a December night freezing cold sleet 532 00:35:55,989 --> 00:36:01,959 and just you know his shirt a shirt open 533 00:35:59,710 --> 00:36:03,699 and he sort of like plimsolls and very 534 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,110 flimsy trousers you know and he was 535 00:36:03,699 --> 00:36:07,000 scrambling around trying to find money 536 00:36:05,110 --> 00:36:09,039 that he was he was given a diner night 537 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,320 some money and heat some of the rolled 538 00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:12,610 off the pavement loose with this bottle 539 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,870 of wine so it was an extraordinary sight 540 00:36:12,610 --> 00:36:16,630 for this was a guy who would you know 541 00:36:13,869 --> 00:36:18,190 just had a top ten hit at you know the 542 00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:20,470 celebrity never seemed to intervene at 543 00:36:18,190 --> 00:36:22,300 all on the way he lived his life we were 544 00:36:20,469 --> 00:36:23,649 thinking of doing a song together or 545 00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:25,840 something like that and he said I you 546 00:36:23,650 --> 00:36:27,820 know I've got tracking thousands of the 547 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,690 songs however I'm going although 548 00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:30,460 you know 549 00:36:28,690 --> 00:36:31,750 let's see someone he goes there over 550 00:36:30,460 --> 00:36:35,110 there like that and this is sort of 551 00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:36,579 garbage sort of pile of garbage over in 552 00:36:35,110 --> 00:36:37,780 the corner and he and I kind of go over 553 00:36:36,579 --> 00:36:39,599 there and sort of start pulling out 554 00:36:37,780 --> 00:36:42,250 these pieces of paper and there's like 555 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:47,710 great songs on it and they just sort of 556 00:36:42,250 --> 00:36:50,500 thrown over in her in a pile and you 557 00:36:47,710 --> 00:36:53,650 know I mean so so I think he goes away 558 00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:55,719 he goes around that the creative process 559 00:36:53,650 --> 00:36:59,889 for him is very is in a very irreverent 560 00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:04,239 one in a way but at the same time they 561 00:36:59,889 --> 00:37:07,150 are very considered his songs as well 562 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:09,309 it's quite odd really he has a genuine 563 00:37:07,150 --> 00:37:12,150 will to live he has a genuine desire to 564 00:37:09,309 --> 00:37:16,779 be alive and to be in a human body 565 00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:19,300 um he doesn't you know it doesn't appear 566 00:37:16,780 --> 00:37:21,410 that way because 567 00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:23,720 doctors tell him that he's got to stop 568 00:37:21,409 --> 00:37:26,659 drinking and he doesn't stop drinking so 569 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,459 people think that he must have a death 570 00:37:26,659 --> 00:37:32,029 wish but in actual fact that's not the 571 00:37:28,460 --> 00:37:33,590 case he just doesn't enjoy life without 572 00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:35,680 a drink I think I think it's the way it 573 00:37:33,590 --> 00:37:35,680 is 574 00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:43,250 every now and then he it screws up and 575 00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:47,230 I'll do something like this you know I'm 576 00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:50,539 breaking my hair you know I mean I get 577 00:37:47,230 --> 00:37:52,219 or a taxi nuts me 18 feet across the 578 00:37:50,539 --> 00:37:56,869 road or something you know I mean but 579 00:37:52,219 --> 00:38:02,059 like I'm not out of control you know I 580 00:37:56,869 --> 00:38:06,400 mean I have been out of control I would 581 00:38:02,059 --> 00:38:10,809 use for long periods you know I mean but 582 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:14,720 but always nice to pull back from me 583 00:38:10,809 --> 00:38:17,559 from the edge before going your best 584 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,559 like you know I 585 00:38:19,420 --> 00:38:27,170 it's true though I'm out of it my stats 586 00:38:22,460 --> 00:38:29,210 on right and all but I can write 587 00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:31,579 songs that are out of it you know on the 588 00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:33,190 fight it's easier for me to write so I'm 589 00:38:31,579 --> 00:38:37,630 out 590 00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:41,460 I've been loving you 591 00:38:37,630 --> 00:38:41,460 long time 592 00:38:42,248 --> 00:38:48,308 down only is down all the day 593 00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:56,950 and I've cried for your troubles 594 00:38:58,769 --> 00:39:02,820 smiled at your funny 595 00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:12,920 watched our friends grow up together 596 00:39:15,739 --> 00:39:21,649 and we sorrow as they fell 597 00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:26,778 some 598 00:39:32,130 --> 00:39:36,000 so 599 00:39:33,969 --> 00:39:36,000 Oh 600 00:39:38,170 --> 00:39:46,619 a hat took shelter from a shower 601 00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:54,400 and I stepped into your 602 00:40:00,260 --> 00:40:02,590 it is 603 00:40:05,179 --> 00:40:11,409 when was whispered all it's Joan 604 00:40:24,250 --> 00:40:26,309 you 605 00:40:30,509 --> 00:40:44,759 now this song is nearly over we may 606 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,759 never find out what it means 607 00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:54,159 there's a lighter 608 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:54,159 me 609 00:40:56,139 --> 00:41:04,869 you're the measure of my dreams 610 00:41:01,329 --> 00:41:04,869 better on 611 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,019 you 612 00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:30,588 gentlemen the pole 613 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,529 when Shane first took the paint across 614 00:41:38,579 --> 00:41:44,579 the Irish Sea the great and the hoods 615 00:41:40,530 --> 00:41:47,310 reacted with first horror and villains I 616 00:41:44,579 --> 00:41:49,880 think she ins real quality was entirely 617 00:41:47,309 --> 00:41:52,409 missed by many people follow long time 618 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,760 necessarily became modern and urbanized 619 00:41:52,409 --> 00:41:57,210 I mean the great social changes that 620 00:41:53,760 --> 00:42:00,450 took place in Ireland in the 60s made 621 00:41:57,210 --> 00:42:04,440 people sort of enthusiastic for putting 622 00:42:00,449 --> 00:42:07,098 the cultural soyons and of the past 623 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,099 behind them 624 00:42:16,028 --> 00:42:24,409 they resisted putting a high valuation 625 00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:26,900 on the music of the post they didn't 626 00:42:24,409 --> 00:42:29,629 want that trashy music tragedy played 627 00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:32,269 brought back into this newly respectable 628 00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:34,548 world your performances it says here 629 00:42:32,268 --> 00:42:40,939 have been described a sordid rowdy and 630 00:42:34,548 --> 00:42:42,349 vulgar what about big complaints and the 631 00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:44,240 criticisms of you that you were thought 632 00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:45,710 of bringing Irish music into distributor 633 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:49,219 and you're playing off the paddy and the 634 00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:51,559 drunken patty images on well we started 635 00:42:49,219 --> 00:42:52,939 out playing in bars it was a dynamic and 636 00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:54,950 Ireland going on between people who 637 00:42:52,940 --> 00:42:56,150 wanted to be to go forward into this 638 00:42:54,949 --> 00:42:58,009 brave new world of you know 639 00:42:56,150 --> 00:43:01,220 sophistication that people that were 640 00:42:58,010 --> 00:43:03,710 very disturbed about this bunch of boys 641 00:43:01,219 --> 00:43:05,179 coming from England and bringing back 642 00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:07,579 this music that they thought they'd 643 00:43:05,179 --> 00:43:09,139 banished forever you know somehow in 644 00:43:07,579 --> 00:43:10,760 their head was you know it was Eva's 645 00:43:09,139 --> 00:43:13,480 devil eras music you know we don't we 646 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,480 don't want to go back there 647 00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:23,780 well it's Soros time Wow 648 00:43:20,739 --> 00:43:26,259 by the end of the 80s The Pogues moment 649 00:43:23,780 --> 00:43:28,490 in British pop history had passed a 650 00:43:26,260 --> 00:43:30,650 combination of splits over musical 651 00:43:28,489 --> 00:43:32,479 direction and chains increasing use of 652 00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:34,930 drink and drugs led to their eventual 653 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,929 demise 654 00:43:38,860 --> 00:43:43,550 since McGann split with the Pogues 655 00:43:41,539 --> 00:43:45,759 interest has centered more on the state 656 00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:48,470 of his health than on his musical output 657 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,600 he has however formed a new band called 658 00:43:48,469 --> 00:43:55,209 the Popes releasing a critically 659 00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:55,210 acclaimed album the snake in 1994 660 00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:06,759 in the 1990s Shane's been recognized as 661 00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:08,190 an icon in Ireland to rank alongside the 662 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,390 likes of Brendan being 663 00:44:08,190 --> 00:44:13,090 McGowan's thrashing of the culture 664 00:44:10,389 --> 00:44:14,500 revitalized it but like the in the 665 00:44:13,090 --> 00:44:16,300 irreverence stemmed from his own 666 00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:20,920 detailed knowledge in respective 667 00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:23,560 Ireland's past I tell you story um a 668 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,269 sanguine one and there was a television 669 00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:25,719 program in Ireland here a couple of 670 00:44:25,269 --> 00:44:28,480 years ago 671 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,819 and it was I was singing with a lot of 672 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,579 different people on so Shane came over 673 00:44:30,820 --> 00:44:36,190 from London to sing with me and he said 674 00:44:33,579 --> 00:44:38,259 he'd love to sing spans Hill Hill so I 675 00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:40,329 started off singer he said stop stop no 676 00:44:38,260 --> 00:44:42,010 he pulled me up that's not no that's not 677 00:44:40,329 --> 00:44:44,409 the way you're recorded that's not the 678 00:44:42,010 --> 00:44:46,570 way I learned it and this is a recording 679 00:44:44,409 --> 00:44:48,670 I made 25 years ago and he had it 680 00:44:46,570 --> 00:44:51,730 word-for-word and he couldn't handle the 681 00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:53,530 fact that it had changed a bit i reaiiy 682 00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:55,510 loved that I thought that was great you 683 00:44:53,530 --> 00:44:57,550 know and I changed it and I went back 684 00:44:55,510 --> 00:45:08,640 and I sang it the way he wanted to sing 685 00:44:57,550 --> 00:45:08,640 and was lonely neighbors see what 686 00:45:08,980 --> 00:45:16,349 they are ones they like got a gun 687 00:45:13,929 --> 00:45:16,349 the 688 00:45:20,208 --> 00:45:25,129 quickly 689 00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:25,130 laws 690 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:31,739 sherry bharata's 691 00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:47,219 the flying visits to me first and only 692 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:50,990 low she's fair eyes on me 693 00:45:47,219 --> 00:45:50,989 li and gentle 694 00:45:51,460 --> 00:45:59,070 she kill her 695 00:45:55,179 --> 00:45:59,069 to me century 696 00:46:01,150 --> 00:46:29,050 the cha 697 00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:45,519 he drove off this well and I 698 00:46:35,530 --> 00:46:45,519 in California many miles from sponsor 699 00:46:54,679 --> 00:47:00,119 there has been a certain mood of 700 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,470 celebration in Ireland in a way they 701 00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:03,329 were celebrating liberation from the 702 00:47:01,469 --> 00:47:06,480 past and liberation from having to be 703 00:47:03,329 --> 00:47:08,549 defensive about being Irish and Jack 704 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:12,599 cartons football team epitomize that in 705 00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:15,630 the sense that everybody from ray 706 00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:18,059 Houghton to bono are going out into the 707 00:47:15,630 --> 00:47:20,160 world to represent Ireland and that 708 00:47:18,059 --> 00:47:22,519 condole and often does dull our critical 709 00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:25,859 faculties but the worth of some of these 710 00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:27,360 phenomena but of course I mean it didn't 711 00:47:25,860 --> 00:47:29,370 have $2 our critical faculties in 712 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,070 relation to she and McGowan who remain 713 00:47:29,369 --> 00:47:34,199 assess the perhaps the one authentic 714 00:47:32,070 --> 00:47:36,240 genius who came out of that whole mood 715 00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:40,230 of the celebration of Irish Sri and its 716 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:42,119 various manifestations in that period as 717 00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:44,760 Ireland's come to terms with his own 718 00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:46,769 past and looks afresh at its history so 719 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,630 Shane and his later work explores his 720 00:47:46,769 --> 00:47:51,059 direct relationship with the Irish 721 00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:52,980 tradition looking beyond his immediate 722 00:47:51,059 --> 00:47:55,799 antecedents like The Dubliners and 723 00:47:52,980 --> 00:47:58,679 Brendan bein to a doomed 19th century 724 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:01,760 romantic poet the Gothic figure of James 725 00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:01,759 Clarence Mangum 726 00:48:10,329 --> 00:48:22,750 my way oppressor see Jason again brought 727 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:29,329 me comfort with Lana my machine back 728 00:48:22,750 --> 00:48:33,028 tonight to a public execution 729 00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:34,200 Stephens dream yeah longest part 730 00:48:33,028 --> 00:48:38,730 Cheyenne 731 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:42,689 annoy his Lord stone is over Marva the 732 00:48:38,730 --> 00:48:43,889 way he lived his Lord you know I love 733 00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:49,320 his videos 734 00:48:43,889 --> 00:48:57,449 you know he's a Republican alcoholic 735 00:48:49,320 --> 00:49:00,320 junkie you know something that I can 736 00:48:57,449 --> 00:49:00,319 identify with 737 00:49:02,539 --> 00:49:08,369 he didn't think about what he did when 738 00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:13,019 his hosts are suffering so he died young 739 00:49:08,369 --> 00:49:14,909 you know but you know I mean like I 740 00:49:13,019 --> 00:49:21,860 always put myself first 741 00:49:14,909 --> 00:49:21,859 you know I was all painful isn't my baby 742 00:49:23,659 --> 00:49:31,949 where's the part I mean I hate the 743 00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:35,760 mythology of self-destruction I really 744 00:49:31,949 --> 00:49:38,009 hated it and so easy and so 745 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:41,910 consumer-friendly you know artists or 746 00:49:38,010 --> 00:49:44,700 pop stars you know as fireworks you know 747 00:49:41,909 --> 00:49:46,819 lighten up some people's duel skies I 748 00:49:44,699 --> 00:49:51,359 don't know it's just I think Shane's 749 00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:53,519 much smarter than all that and I don't 750 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:57,329 think he had only geese you know he'd 751 00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:59,789 buy in he buys into Ola this how you 752 00:49:57,329 --> 00:50:03,779 talk to people this potential addicts 753 00:49:59,789 --> 00:50:06,449 and there's people who I've got a son 754 00:50:03,780 --> 00:50:09,890 Connor winners strange which protects 755 00:50:06,449 --> 00:50:16,339 them against sedation wears the pants 756 00:50:09,889 --> 00:50:16,339 where's the punker where is it 757 00:50:17,489 --> 00:50:24,579 a lot of teachers who are partners 758 00:50:21,568 --> 00:50:26,920 without Kimora find themselves in a 759 00:50:24,579 --> 00:50:28,390 situation where their life kind of 760 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,989 starts to revolve around the other 761 00:50:28,389 --> 00:50:36,368 person's drinking the husband or wife of 762 00:50:31,989 --> 00:50:40,028 the alcoholic makes their mission to 763 00:50:36,369 --> 00:50:43,119 control the other person that's really 764 00:50:40,028 --> 00:50:46,478 not being very practical because you 765 00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:48,818 can't no matter how much you try you 766 00:50:46,478 --> 00:50:53,259 know you can advise people and you can 767 00:50:48,818 --> 00:50:54,429 like put up little signposts and but it 768 00:50:53,259 --> 00:50:55,719 I don't think you can really tell 769 00:50:54,429 --> 00:50:57,219 somebody else what to do you think 770 00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,679 you've got to let them find out for 771 00:50:57,219 --> 00:51:03,429 themselves I think once I realized that 772 00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:10,239 life got a lot easier all around you 773 00:51:03,429 --> 00:51:11,198 know only addictive personality I'm not 774 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:40,119 an alcoholic 775 00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:46,349 I used to drink a lot more so it's hard 776 00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:52,619 to friend to rush in their present away 777 00:51:46,349 --> 00:51:59,459 his starfighters apart so it's hard to 778 00:51:52,619 --> 00:52:05,410 turn to rush in their prison away so 779 00:51:59,458 --> 00:52:09,659 softly then kisser powerless it was the 780 00:52:05,409 --> 00:52:09,659 same story over 781 00:52:10,659 --> 00:52:23,558 hovering the poly so watching and you 782 00:52:17,028 --> 00:52:38,690 know that I must go ash door harsh 783 00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:43,630 warnings of holies imitate I'll be awful 784 00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:50,298 the mountains there'll be time enough 785 00:52:43,630 --> 00:52:56,599 left for to cry so good night and God 786 00:52:50,298 --> 00:52:57,739 guard you forever and write to me won't 787 00:52:56,599 --> 00:53:03,130 you 788 00:52:57,739 --> 00:53:12,849 goodbye so good night and God gonna do 789 00:53:03,130 --> 00:53:12,849 forever I'm right to me wash you boy 790 00:53:26,318 --> 00:53:32,298 what do you what do you say to people 791 00:53:28,579 --> 00:53:33,798 like who say that you know you're 792 00:53:32,298 --> 00:53:35,478 killing yourself you're drinking too 793 00:53:33,798 --> 00:53:40,929 much you shouldn't drink and I'm not 794 00:53:35,478 --> 00:53:45,768 drinking too much that's right yeah 795 00:53:40,929 --> 00:53:48,338 that's a good enough well I'm drinking 796 00:53:45,768 --> 00:53:48,338 enough 797 00:53:49,690 --> 00:53:59,450 let's visit general you know I'm a 798 00:53:52,998 --> 00:54:04,759 annoyed it's probably best to drink not 799 00:53:59,449 --> 00:54:06,978 quite enough you know and does it piss 800 00:54:04,759 --> 00:54:09,528 you off when people try and lecture 801 00:54:06,978 --> 00:54:12,018 you're trying to out try and save your 802 00:54:09,528 --> 00:54:17,329 try and say you drink - of course yeah 803 00:54:12,018 --> 00:54:23,659 Oh big boy I know I'm doing 804 00:54:17,329 --> 00:54:30,019 yeah how do you get that a lot 805 00:54:23,659 --> 00:54:36,139 you got people Chinese yes yeah I know 806 00:54:30,018 --> 00:54:43,608 yeah how'd you do it's not a off 807 00:54:36,139 --> 00:54:45,318 you know couple years ago I was making a 808 00:54:43,608 --> 00:54:48,139 red card and I asked Shane MacGowan for 809 00:54:45,318 --> 00:54:51,978 a are the any Psalms that suit me so he 810 00:54:48,139 --> 00:54:53,778 sent me this Psalm it's a song about the 811 00:54:51,978 --> 00:54:57,919 famine the great famine in Ireland which 812 00:54:53,778 --> 00:54:59,869 happened between 1845 and 1847 the one 813 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,329 stage people in a certain part of the 814 00:54:59,869 --> 00:55:05,209 West of Ireland and country mail they 815 00:55:02,329 --> 00:55:08,059 didn't have the strength or the ability 816 00:55:05,208 --> 00:55:11,509 to the land to bury their dead properly 817 00:55:08,059 --> 00:55:13,700 so they reduced to burying them and the 818 00:55:11,509 --> 00:55:18,949 sand dunes by the seashore and he wrote 819 00:55:13,699 --> 00:55:21,078 this song called the dunes I walk today 820 00:55:18,949 --> 00:55:23,478 on the cold grey show where I watched 821 00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:26,150 when I was much younger well the bills 822 00:55:23,478 --> 00:55:28,788 Didion's upon the sand for the dead from 823 00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:33,199 the great hunger for the dead from the 824 00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:36,289 great hunger although I was a doctor's 825 00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:38,809 son against in fear and wonder and they 826 00:55:36,289 --> 00:55:41,209 perished from the raging plague to come 827 00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:45,469 in with the great hunger that come in 828 00:55:41,208 --> 00:55:49,578 with the great hunger when I watched at 829 00:55:45,469 --> 00:55:52,009 the age of four in 1847 the mounds they 830 00:55:49,579 --> 00:55:54,798 built upon the shore they seemed to 831 00:55:52,009 --> 00:55:58,400 point to heaven they seemed to point to 832 00:55:54,798 --> 00:56:01,400 heaven though wind and the rain who 833 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:04,160 worked away the dunes there all uneven 834 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,709 the children kicked the sand around and 835 00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:10,670 the bones they are revealed then and the 836 00:56:06,708 --> 00:56:13,458 bones they are Raviv then my brothers 837 00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:16,969 and my sister died my mother only four 838 00:56:13,458 --> 00:56:19,969 and twenty and I alone survived to seed 839 00:56:16,969 --> 00:56:24,048 potatoes grow in plenty the potatoes 840 00:56:19,969 --> 00:56:27,009 grow in plenty as we died in vain they 841 00:56:24,048 --> 00:56:29,960 stole our grain to put upon their tables 842 00:56:27,009 --> 00:56:32,480 dyeing covered the dead with sand and 843 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:36,199 danced whales they were able and danced 844 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:38,719 while they were able and a fiddle played 845 00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:41,029 we drank poutine then ate the last of 846 00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,399 the berries then knelt and said the 847 00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:45,680 Rosary round the mounds of dead weed 848 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,880 buried round the mounds of dead weed 849 00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:50,149 buried 850 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:53,119 I saw dark showers rise up from the sand 851 00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:55,309 danced all around the dunes they danced 852 00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:58,338 the rattling dance of the Dead to a set 853 00:56:55,309 --> 00:57:02,389 of mournful tunes to a set of mournful 854 00:56:58,338 --> 00:57:04,880 tunes a crack of a lightning split the 855 00:57:02,389 --> 00:57:07,159 sky the rain undid Yoon's it poured 856 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:10,010 I left them lying where I shut them down 857 00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:11,779 the bailiff and the landlord then I went 858 00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:15,140 for a drink in Westport 859 00:57:11,780 --> 00:57:16,599 I walked today on the cold gray shore 860 00:57:15,139 --> 00:57:19,460 where I watched when I was much younger 861 00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:22,250 well they built the dunes upon the sand 862 00:57:19,460 --> 00:57:25,960 the dead from the great hunger for the 863 00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:25,960 dead from the great hunger 864 00:57:30,590 --> 00:57:35,539 Foca Bonilla next on bbc4 865 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,159 she's out on his own 866 00:58:06,380 --> 00:58:08,440 you 60554

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