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In this case, just about
everything went wrong.
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Okay. Let's do it.
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DIRECTOR
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In the Aneta Rodová case, there are many
questions that can only be answered by me.
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Many things happened outside of filming,
off camera.
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Everyone on the film crew
has their own opinion about this case,
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but our goal for the film
was to stick to the facts available.
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What your conclusion will be
at the end of the film is yours alone.
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But consider if you have the stomach
for it, because it's not a pleasant sight.
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It all started on September 20, 2014.
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20 SEPTEMBER 2014
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YOU ARE LISTENING TO
THE ORIGINAL PHONE RECORDING.
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-Prague Police Helpline, how can we help?
-Hi, this is Kateřina…
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Can you come right away to
Nepomuckých Street in Prague?
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-Nepomuckých Street?
-Yea, Nepomuckých. Our friend cut herself.
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-What's the house number?
-749… I don't know right now.
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-Is she inside or outside?
-Inside.
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-On what floor?
-Second.
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-What's the lady's name and age?
-Aneta Rodová. She's 23.
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-Is she communicating? Is she conscious?
-She's not conscious, but just staring.
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No! Aneta! Hurry!
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I still need to ask you…
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Did she cut her hands? Where's she cut?
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She wanted to stab herself in the heart.
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And she stabbed my boyfriend
when he tried to take the knife from her.
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My colleagues are coming.
They'll also call an ambulance, okay?
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-Thank you.
-They'll tell you exactly what to do.
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Okay.
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My name's Marc Deveaux.
I'm a toxicology expert from Paris.
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She cut my boyfriend because he wanted to
take the knife. She tried to stab herself.
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WITNESS
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SUICIDE?
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She wanted to stab herself in the heart.
And she stabbed my boyfriend.
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ANETA - SUICIDE
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19TH SEPTEMBER 2014
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Aneta and her boyfriend had returned
from vacation in Dominican Republic.
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Around midnight,
Aneta met up with her friends
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at the COCO Bar where they drank.
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And it appears they also took cocaine.
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ANETA SEEMED A LITTLE STRANGE.
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SHE WAS CHAINSMOKING.
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Kateřina and Ahmad decided
to do another line of cocaine.
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Aneta didn't join in with them.
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After that they got up
and went to lie down.
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What are you doing?
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Have you gone mad! What are you doing?
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NO!
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What the fuck is going on!
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Call an ambulance!
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Hi, this is Kateřina…
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Can you come right away to
Nepomuckých Street in Prague?
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Our friend cut herself.
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Help!
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-Someone's here.
-Someone's already there?
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-Is it the police? Put them on the phone.
-Hello.
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Emergency services. We're on our way.
How does it look? Is the girl conscious?
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-She's not. Not entirely, but is close.
-What does that mean?
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Her eyes are rolled up.
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And when you slap her cheek,
she doesn't react?
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-No, she doesn't.
-Is she looking? Can she turn her head?
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Hey, hey! Yes, but not too well.
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Your hand, please.
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According to the police,
Aneta suffered a fatal injury.
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Self-inflicted with a knife.
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But her mother thinks it was murder.
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MOTHER OF THE DECEASED
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September 20, 2014.
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Are you ready?
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Try to look back on that day.
What were you doing?
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That day I'll remember for the rest of
my life as the worst day of my life.
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I was in the forest that day
with my mother.
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And my phone started ringing.
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My neighbor was calling to see where I was
because the police were looking for me.
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I thought, "Oh no, Aneta probably parked
illegally and they want to tow the car."
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So I said thanks and that I'd call them
and my neighbor said "no."
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"They're waiting here for you,
Please come straight home."
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So two policemen from Kladno came
and told me they don't know what happened
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but it's something with my daughter, but
everything is okay so I should calm down.
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I said, "Calm down?
What about my daughter?"
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They gave me the phone number
to the Vinohrady hospital
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and they'll tell me everything there.
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Dr. Pažout told me
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that my daughter had died
and was in pathology.
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I asked what had happened.
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He told me she died from
a drug overdose and alcohol.
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I said my daughter barely drinks.
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I then passed out.
They called an ambulance.
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I came to in the elevator.
I said I'm not going anywhere.
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First, I just need to find out what
happened and where my daughter is.
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At that time two other police from
Prague called and said,
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"Your daughter died from multiple
stab wounds. She committed suicide."
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There is nothing normal with this case.
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CRIMINALIST, FORMER MEMBER
OF PRAGUE HOMICIDE TEAM
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From the start of the investigation,
a whole list of items was neglected,
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which are never easy to find afterwards.
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If someone was or wasn't to blame for it,
if it really was suicide,
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or if someone took part in the suicide
and if that constitutes murder.
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Official Record of Explanation
provided September 20, 2014.
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At 11:38 Kateřina
is called in for questioning.
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Kateřina was a so-called friend of Aneta.
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"Yesterday, September 19, 2014,
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Aneta and I planned
to go to a club in the center."
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"I called my boyfriend, Ahmad,
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who suggested we go to
Club COCO on Kaprová Street in Prague."
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Mr Ahmad.
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That's the person who hasn't
let me sleep for nine years.
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"I'm married with two kids. I live with
my wife at my permanent residence."
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"Four months ago, I was looking for
a psychologist for marriage problems."
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"Thanks to that I found a girlfriend
named Kateřina. Around 25 years old."
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"I bought a flat for us in Letňany,
on Nepomuckých St."
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Jakub. Status? Single.
Boyfriend of victim.
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Jakub was my daughter's boyfriend with
whom she went to the Dominican Republic.
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"I'm dating another girl long-term that
Aneta knew about. But we still dated."
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"Aneta and I also had
an intimate relationship."
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"We landed back from vacation
on Friday in Munich at 7:30AM."
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"Then we flew to Vienna,
landing around 10AM."
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"From Vienna we took a bus to Brno.
I got off in Brno
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and Aneta went on alone to Prague
where she arrived after midnight."
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"I was with Ahmad in the club from 11PM."
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"Aneta and I had agreed
she'd get a cab
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and put her luggage
in my car parked at the club."
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"Aneta arrived sometime after midnight
and started enjoying herself."
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"She was smiling, but she didn't dance."
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"She appeared to be okay."
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LAST PHOTO OF ANETA
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No, she actually couldn't stand blood
and didn't like real violence.
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She'd only get in a bad mood
when she had a headache or was sick.
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But even then, she'd try to fake it.
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She had a lot of friends not just
from school but also outside school.
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She'd go with her friends to the mountains
and skiing in France a lot.
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She was really popular. She was
always having friends at our house.
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She lived a normal life. She did sports.
She went to work every day.
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She didn't drink much,
but she'd definitely have a glass.
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I never saw her drink alcohol at home
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and from the time she was 18,
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she'd learnt to drive
and she would drive to most parties,
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so she didn't drink.
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The police described my daughter as being
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psychologically disturbed.
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She committed suicide due to heartbreak
and had lots of problems her whole life.
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We were surprised since none of that
was true, so it also really shocked us.
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If even half was true, maybe we'd say,
okay, there was a mistake somewhere.
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But there really wasn't.
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INTOXICATION
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CERTAIN DRUGS
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EXPERT REPORTS
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I've been trying to understand it
for eight years and I can't.
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Toxic psychosis can occur
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if the user consumes a large amount of
cocaine over a long period of time.
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If we analyze ten separate
centimeters of hair,
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we'll analyze ten months of consumption.
They did that here.
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Mostly it was the same concentration of
material in all the analyzed segments.
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That means that
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Aneta regularly used cocaine.
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But since the concentration was very low,
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it wasn't an above average consumption.
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But the diagnosis was already stated
in the hospital. So it's really strange.
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At the beginning of the questioning,
I admitted all possible outcomes
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and didn't rule out the possibility
that my daughter killed herself.
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When I got the toxicology report
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and found my daughter
didn't have any alcohol in her
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and a small amount of cocaine,
I concluded that this is bullshit.
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They were working with just one version.
That was intoxication and psychosis
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and didn't know at all how horribly
my daughter was stabbed.
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That was found out after the autopsy.
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I can't understand how
a doctor couldn't see
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three fatal wounds
to the right chamber of the heart.
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She was stabbed so badly.
I can't understand it.
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On my desktop I see loads of files.
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The High Prosecutor's Office,
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The High Court Prague.
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There's just loads of files.
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A letter addressed to the Czech Police.
District Police headquarters of CSI,
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212/17 Zenklova Street.
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"I requested information from you,
but you didn't respond at all."
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"After four months, you submitted reports
from experts you yourselves hired
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on the basis of your statement
that came from your investigation."
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"I still don't know
where my daughter's things are,
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as the police never handed them over,
including her passport."
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Answers from the police after five months:
"We sent her debit card to her bank
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and I'm not sure about her passport.
Our office is being renovated
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so we are in a bit of a war zone
and I can't find whether we have it here."
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So he doesn't even know where
the things are and what they have there.
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To this day I don't know who
took the knife out of my daughter or why.
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First, the knife is in the bedroom,
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second, on the counter,
later, on the floor.
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Another time Kateřina confirmed the police
said to bring it from the bedroom.
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Kateřina even lied to her mother
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who called me to say my daughter
had been unstable since childhood
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and was taking pills
from her psychiatrist.
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And it wasn't true.
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If I could ask Kateřina one question,
I'd ask why she is lying.
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BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO CAUSE DEATH - YES
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DEATH CAUSED BY ANOTHER WAY - YES
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I don't know what happened.
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Medics see only surface bloodless wounds
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and don't pay attention to the fact
my daughter could've been stabbed.
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Bloodless wounds?
This is a bloodless wound?
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The police didn't look at why the records
from the medic say it was bloodless.
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Who cleaned after her?
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When someone commits suicide,
they don't wipe the floor.
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This is really something different.
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The next official record says that
hotline 155 was received by 158.
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Message: deeply unconscious.
Stab wound to the heart.
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-Emergency services.
-Operations center.
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We need you in Prague.
A lady's stabbed and unconscious.
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Said to be stabbed in the heart.
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-Her eyes are rolled up.
-And when you slap her, she doesn't react?
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Not very well. Press on her, would you?
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The doctor himself told me
he doesn't know what happened.
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He heard they were cleaning up the drugs
and it was strange to him that it took
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the ambulance a long time to leave
and he urged them to several times.
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"If they were cleaning up the drugs,
it fits with what one doctor said
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that someone else left the flat.
Nobody has verified this information."
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And I could continue on like this after
reading three out of the fifteen pages.
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If I could ask Ahmad one question,
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I'd ask why my daughter had to die.
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Have you gone mad! What are you doing?
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Nobody's responded to these letters.
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Nobody's talked to me about this.
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Since the beginning,
I've felt completely alone in this.
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But this is my journey, my battle.
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Okay, next…
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"My first look at the records
wasn't possible until the end of July,
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despite it being closed on April 17, 2015,
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and that's just because it
started attracting media attention."
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According to police, she committed suicide
by stabbing herself 9 times in the chest.
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It's definitely not a typical case.
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Mr Doucha says the case should've been
treated as a murder investigation.
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-But that wasn't the case.
-If the death seems suspicious,
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it's investigated as a murder and
once all factors suggest that it's not,
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you can then assess it as suicide.
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This whole case gives me the impression
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that the police set it up
the complete other way.
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The whole case could actually one day
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be doomed to remain unsolved.
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"Police pathologist, Bulovka hospital."
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They take her for a private autopsy.
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The whole time
they didn't allow me access.
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I waited three weeks before
I could even see my dead daughter.
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The record of cuts on her hands differed.
244
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In one document there's two,
another has three.
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"In connection with the wounds
to her chest, it was later discovered:
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internal bleeding
in the chest cavity on the left side,
247
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total collapse of her left lung,
meaning she could no longer breathe."
248
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Shocking changes to the kidneys."
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"Breathing vomit into the lungs.
Subcutaneous hemorrhages."
250
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"This injury arose from
blunt force trauma."
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And this is a suicide. Amazing.
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The Municipal Prosecutor's Office
who identified the protests as unfounded,
253
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re-assessed the actions of
the police due to the complaints.
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All of this is bullshit.
255
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If I could ask my daughter one question,
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it'd be why were you around these people.
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To say "everything was explained," really?
Everything is explained?
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That's the approach I'm talking about
that I don't like.
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That it's being downplayed
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and underestimated.
261
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And when a dispute arises,
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if it was like this or like that,
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nobody will ever explain it
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because they don't have
enough concrete material.
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That's really bad.
266
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The police failed. The medic failed.
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The Public Prosecutor failed.
All involved.
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But I ask why? Was it on purpose?
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ATTORNEY
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For a circle of people who were
sharing their solution to the case,
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we must note that there were many,
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meaning there's a team of police
working on the case
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who are using a whole set of specialists.
There's doctors and lab experts.
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If we want to doubt the conclusions
of the police and their work,
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it would have to be
the failure of the whole system.
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One small error could not influence the
investigation results in such a big way.
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-What the fuck is going on!
-Have you gone mad!
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These pictures behind me.
This is from vacation in Egypt
279
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and this is from the last trip
to Dominican Republic.
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She always had such a nice
positive approach to everything.
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So I like remembering this.
I always see her smiling, her good mood.
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That's what I miss.
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Telling someone what happened is awful.
284
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And speaking about it is very hard.
285
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:09,200
It's impacted my personal life.
Not only mine, but the whole family.
286
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It's impacted my sister, my mother.
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I'd say this destroyed all our lives.
288
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,320
When my ex-husband
and I talked about it, he told me
289
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that concerning the circumstances
that surround the case…
290
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He's got his own family and other kids
so logically he's afraid.
291
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He's afraid for his family's safety,
his children's.
292
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So he doesn't want to
get involved in this at all.
293
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In a chapel where they brought her…
294
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Her face… That wasn't Aneta.
295
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I aged 30 years in that moment.
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I took her hand.
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She was so cold. The hand was pale.
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Her nails broken.
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And I remember her neck.
300
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Her whole neck
was sewn up from the autopsy
301
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and then I just had to leave,
and I vomited outside.
302
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,880
Who really pissed me off?
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Definitely the Public Prosecutor
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and investigator Ušelík.
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00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,960
Mr Ušelík said to me:
"Ah, you're the mother. Here, sit."
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That's how he greeted me. It was clear
he wasn't too happy to have me there.
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"Look at yourself. Something will suddenly
happen and you'll commit suicide too."
308
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I looked at him and said:
"Excuse me? You've got to be kidding me?
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How dare you."
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So I looked at him and didn't get
how he could talk to me that way.
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Then I said, nicely, "See you."
He said, "Goodbye."
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That was my meeting with Mr Ušelík.
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FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST
FLORIDA AUTOPSY SERVICES
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My name is Petr Konečný. I'm a journalist.
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And I've been looking into the death
of Aneta Rodová for ten years.
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THE STRANGEST SUICIDE ON EARTH
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Call it a journalist's addiction. I think
we never had such a suicide case before
318
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and of course I remember the headlines.
319
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,760
How it appeared in
the spectrum of media outlets.
320
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,560
Of course it was a big topic
we all wanted for ourselves.
321
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,480
Everyone wanted to write about it, to get
something extra the rest didn't have.
322
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,120
A lot of journalists when they started to
collect this information into a mosaic,
323
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:41,840
they'd say, "This is a big topic, hiding
some dark story. We have to uncover it."
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We have a conflict of mother and police,
family and the system.
325
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Mrs Rodová was 100% convinced her daughter
would never do anything like that.
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ATTORNEY
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I have no reason not to believe her
328
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and to this day I am convinced Miss Rodová
had no reason to leave like this.
329
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,120
We aren't talking about
if it was technically possible.
330
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That's a whole separate chapter.
331
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,320
We're talking about
the psychology of Miss Rodová.
332
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,240
So when she came to my office,
333
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,960
it was about giving hope that
we'd try to find the person responsible
334
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,640
and to find out what happened.
335
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,160
We set out on our own
to find out how it was possible.
336
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,840
We even met with a famous
professor Strauss about biomechanics.
337
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,200
Then we met with other
experts, pathologists, toxicologists.
338
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,440
Mrs Rodová, the mother of Aneta came to me
339
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,400
and together with other experts…
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EX-INVESTIGATOR/DETECTIVE AGENCY OWNER
341
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,080
…we filed a complaint to the ruling
and justified it from our own professions.
342
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:02,920
My record alone is several hundred pages
and now I think more than 500.
343
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:08,080
Expert reports, specialists' critiques,
decisions of law enforcement. It's a lot.
344
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,159
The police neglected a lot of things.
345
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,800
The drugs and their quantity
were not addressed.
346
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,120
Samples weren't taken from the wall
or the floor. Whose blood was it?
347
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:22,560
Were there four or three people?
Does the blood belong to someone else?
348
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:29,040
It definitely raises some doubts
about what happened at the scene.
349
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:36,000
She lost in one court after another.
She made Ahmad explain the drugs in court.
350
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,040
She even arranged for the medic
treating her lifeless body at the scene
351
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,320
to explain why
they didn't give a lot of information
352
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,560
needed to clearly identify
the cause of death.
353
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:52,440
And if that weren't enough,
it took them more than two hours
354
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to go from the apartment to the hospital.
355
00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:00,240
That means, where did the body go
and who was involved?
356
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,920
We wanted to reconstruct the crime to
show what actually happened at the scene.
357
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,400
We were told that the flat
had been sold so it couldn't be done.
358
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,560
We put forward the expert report from
forensic biomechanics, Mr. Strauss.
359
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,560
The Senior State Prosecutor rejected
my complaint that it wasn't needed.
360
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,720
We wanted the shirt she was stabbed in.
361
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,400
They said they'd give it to us once they
finished, but then they couldn't find it.
362
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,360
We wanted the material
for our own examination.
363
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:36,360
They aren't used to someone coming and
asking why they didn't do this or that.
364
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,880
"You didn't find the taxi. Don't you know
there are cameras in the building?"
365
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,280
"There are cameras? Oh!"
366
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,520
The police didn't question the neighbors
367
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,600
who said they claimed to hear an argument.
They heard a foreign language.
368
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,440
Absolutely in conflict with
Ahmad and Kateřina's description
369
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:02,440
of them sitting calmly and chatting.
They definitely didn't mention yelling.
370
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:07,360
They came from a party around 3 or 4AM.
Wild mornings. You could hear a threesome.
371
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,360
NEIGHBOR
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A threesome like two girls,
one man, like sex?
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No.
374
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,800
The police do nothing.
They have something we could use
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00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,560
and they don't want to give it to us
and we can't use it either.
376
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:22,760
It's as if they are trying
to complicate things.
377
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,880
It doesn't suit them that
Mrs Rodová and I are still bothering them.
378
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,480
If there'd been a recreation or evidence,
379
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:38,360
it'd be clear for some reason
because the evidence wouldn't be needed.
380
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,520
That's why it "wasn't necessary" to secure
blood trails, because for what, right?
381
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,560
I'd be interested in the blood trails.
I'd be interested where his were.
382
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,240
Well, okay…
383
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,640
We sent the Czech Police a letter:
384
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:03,480
"Why weren't all blood samples taken
and examined from the scene?"
385
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,600
"We don't know to whom
several of the blood trails belong."
386
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,680
Response: "There was no objective reason
to collect every blood trail
387
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,200
when there were objectively
only two people injured at the scene."
388
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,040
"How the blood trails were collected
at the scene fits the events
389
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,440
and the movement of
people around the apartment."
390
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,040
CRIMINAL LAW
391
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,800
If you say you're investigating something
like suicide, that's how you'll proceed.
392
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,160
When you say you're investigating murder,
that's how you'll proceed.
393
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:38,080
But it's the same as if
you're investigating a car accident.
394
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,800
If we see that the police
were following the one version of suicide,
395
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,400
the experts de facto
responded to one question.
396
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,280
Could it have happened? It could've.
397
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,880
The expert reports worked
to discard any objective doubts.
398
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,240
They should've decidedly glued Mrs.
Rodová's mouth shut. "Don't ask anything."
399
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:02,120
"It was suicide.
"We have the reports. It's clear. Period."
400
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,840
I can't come to terms
with making clear conclusions
401
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,880
about her mental suffering
without her being able to react.
402
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,880
I've got a friend
who's a traffic accident expert,
403
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,640
and he says he's able
to tape off an accident
404
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:24,840
anywhere two meters to the left
or right, without a problem.
405
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,080
Meaning cars going in whatever direction.
406
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,680
This is precisely how expert reports work.
407
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,120
Why do you think it was
investigated as a suicide?
408
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,320
You have to ask the police.
409
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,480
In my opinion,
it started to be treated as a suicide
410
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,880
because the only two witnesses at
the scene described the act as a suicide.
411
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,560
When and on what basis
was it decided in this case
412
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,320
that Kateřina and Ahmad
are labelled as witnesses?
413
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,520
Police response: "Those named
had reported what Aneta had done,
414
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,800
and testified to what they saw and heard."
415
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,040
"As there were no suspicious conditions
discovered at the scene,
416
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,600
which would indicate another person
was involved in harming the victim,
417
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,160
they were taken as witnesses."
418
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,680
"A witness is a person who presents
a fact relevant for criminal proceedings
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00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,320
experienced by their own senses."
420
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,920
"The witness can remember it
and is able to recreate it,
421
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,080
which is the case for both named persons."
422
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,920
SUICIDE
423
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,160
They didn't interviewed Ahmad
because he had an injured hand.
424
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:03,480
At his request he is sent to
a psychiatric clinic for four days
425
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,720
with no limitations because
he hasn't been charged with anything.
426
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,000
He's got his phone with him
and can talk to whomever he wants.
427
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,640
They take photos of the flat, document it,
but don't seal it so anyone can come.
428
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:17,960
That means with his phone, from the clinic
429
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:23,120
he can get anyone not just to wipe it
down, take away cocaine, but… anything.
430
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,400
How could they let him keep his keys?
431
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,840
If you're working with the version of
suicide, why seal off the flat
432
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:35,680
where there was no crime according to
the first investigating version?
433
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:42,600
Meaning that what we said at the start
if you set the version as a suicide,
434
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:48,320
of course it would look strange for
a murder, but for a suicide, it wouldn't.
435
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,680
This specific case I would personally
say qualifies as a suspicious death.
436
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,560
If this man who was there
is questioned several days later,
437
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:04,320
it can't be ruled out that those two
had time to get their stories straight.
438
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,360
You can't rule this out. Certainly not.
439
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,920
In my opinion, there's lots of conflicts
440
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,280
and conflicts in criminal proceedings
should be set aside.
441
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,480
Either in pre-trial
or criminal proceedings or in court.
442
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,480
CANCELLED
443
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:37,880
Aneta left the COCO bar, called a taxi,
got into the taxi and drove off.
444
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,600
First, she calls her friend, Andrej.
445
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,360
It's almost morning. He doesn't answer.
446
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,320
After that she calls the police.
447
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,760
20.SEPTEMBER 2014
CANCELLED
448
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,600
But she doesn't get through
and we don't really know why to this day.
449
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,640
It seems strange to me when
someone calls the police,
450
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:07,680
they're in danger and two hours later
dead and allegedly committed suicide.
451
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,520
I think a person who commits suicide
definitely doesn't call the police.
452
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,720
The doubts she created with her legal team
were made public everywhere.
453
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,400
It was even said the Minister of Justice
had the case file on his desk.
454
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,640
"Shit, we have to do something with this."
This has influenced politics.
455
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,520
Because the case isn't normal
it causes a big sensation
456
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,920
and puts pressure on the State Security
Council, where the case has reached.
457
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,960
They also shook their heads. How can
this happen in a place like Czechia?
458
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:49,080
This pressure led the High Prosecutor
to open the case again after two years.
459
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,640
Due to doubts.
460
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,840
Today, June 2, 2016.
461
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,680
It's 9:53AM
462
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,320
and I commence this re-enactment.
463
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,560
The persons undergoing this re-enactment…
464
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,360
Ahmad is a huge mystery
for all of us journalists.
465
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,480
When did he come to Czechia? When did
he move here if he has Czech citizenship?
466
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,360
If his family came here? The sources
of his income? He never talked about that.
467
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,960
There's one notable point that's left out
because it's a long shot.
468
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:28,000
It's the theory that Ahmad was
an informant for the police. A rat.
469
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,520
COCO Bar was known
as the place to deal drugs.
470
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,800
The bosses of the drug cartels
would meet there.
471
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:43,040
This is why the police are hiding it.
Why did they treat this case so hastily?
472
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,560
For the reason of protecting their source.
473
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,200
The people undergoing this re-enactment…
474
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:52,760
Kateřina is a friend.
She isn't a childhood friend.
475
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,960
She was a friend she met two years before
at a language school.
476
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,120
She had a boyfriend, a rich boyfriend.
A foreigner who was married,
477
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:07,320
but he supported her, got her a flat,
a car, etc… He took her on vacation.
478
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,240
During this time, she was in Lebanon.
479
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,480
There she became the second Muslim wife
of the entrepreneur Ahmad.
480
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,120
She converted to Islam so he could
take her to Lebanon and show his family.
481
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,720
So she had to appear as a second wife.
482
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,160
But they argued. She probably wanted
him to leave his wife and be with her,
483
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,000
to confess, to end the infidelity.
484
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:35,200
Aneta, as I understand from statements
from friends, was a shoulder to cry on.
485
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:43,720
The re-enactment is taking place here.
It's a meeting room on the first floor.
486
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:49,960
We tried to make the re-enactment
as similar as possible to the flat.
487
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:56,920
A fake knife. Then there's cups, a paper
towel, a tape measure and more.
488
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,480
Where there's a gap is
the entrance to the bedroom.
489
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,520
This is the living room and if needed,
there's the door leading to the balcony.
490
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:13,400
I got into the apartment two years after
and it hadn't been sold.
491
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,800
When we asked the police
to do the re-enactment in the apartment,
492
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,560
it wasn't allowed
and the apartment still hadn't been sold.
493
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:28,000
I don't get why they did it in a meeting
room which looked completely different.
494
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,840
-You all came back. Then what happened?
-We came in and sat down.
495
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,360
I sat here. Aneta here and Ahmad here.
496
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,040
Katka here, Aneta here.
497
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:47,760
She said something. There was someone
at the club who wanted to kill her.
498
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,640
She was always afraid there
and she couldn't explain why.
499
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:55,760
And then she said I want to kill her.
500
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,880
I know the recent period wasn't the best
501
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,960
because she was dealing with a boyfriend
who had a girlfriend of six years.
502
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,880
Did Aneta ever act like this in the past?
503
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,600
I really didn't know her that well.
504
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,880
This time we took a line of cocaine,
maybe two. Katka and I.
505
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:25,080
-Like this, a long line but it was weak.
-I offered Aneta but she said no.
506
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,600
-Are you a regular user?
-No.
507
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,680
-How often do you use?
-Twice a month.
508
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:38,160
These two under the influence of cocaine
and alcohol are trustworthy witnesses.
509
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,280
Nobody filed a report on them.
510
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,080
Only a psychological report was done
on my daughter who was dead.
511
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,400
She was smoking a lot. And always pacing.
When she walked, she always went here.
512
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,560
I think she was checking
that I haven't got a knife there.
513
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,640
I remember going to the bathroom.
514
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:04,040
-Ahmad stayed here or I don't know.
-So please mark where you went.
515
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,520
-And why did you go to the bathroom?
-I was sick.
516
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,000
Sick how?
517
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,120
In my stomach.
I thought I'd throw up, but I didn't.
518
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,800
-You didn't throw up?
-No.
519
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,560
When she didn't come to check on me,
520
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,920
I knew she was in the kitchen
but I didn't know what she was doing.
521
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,920
-How long were you there for?
-A short while.
522
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,840
When I came back, Aneta was sitting in
my seat. They were talking together.
523
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:41,240
I listened a bit and I heard her
tell Ahmad, "So do it. I'm ready.
524
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,440
Do it. I'm ready. You can kill me."
525
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,560
I told Aneta to go get some rest
or if she wants to call a taxi.
526
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,800
If you don't have enough money,
I'll give you some and she went like this.
527
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,240
Yeah?
528
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:02,640
You want me to call a taxi
so I leave so they kill me outside.
529
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:06,600
You know what? I'll sit here.
530
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,280
So please, kill me here.
I won't go to the street.
531
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,040
-What happened to her?
-I don't know. I really don't.
532
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,960
I'm telling you everything that happened.
533
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,000
I said, "Aneta, calm down.
Go lie down. You're exhausted,"
534
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,120
and I went into the bedroom
and Ahmad came right after me.
535
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,600
We stood opposite one another.
He told me he was going for a drink
536
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,280
and I didn't have time to even lie down.
I was standing here.
537
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,120
In the original questioning in 2014,
when the police started the investigation,
538
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:48,600
Kateřina said she'd laid down and slept.
A noise had awoken her from the kitchen.
539
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,560
Now two years later,
she remembered it slightly differently,
540
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:59,240
claiming it matches with Ahmad's version.
They said goodbye. They're going to sleep.
541
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,520
And she instantly starts stabbing herself.
542
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,280
You're sitting at a table with someone.
543
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,720
Two go to bed and you get up,
544
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,960
pull a kitchen knife out of the drawer
and start stabbing yourself.
545
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,720
I went for a glass of water.
I look up and see Aneta there.
546
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,800
She's doing something I can't quite see
from a distance. She's doing this.
547
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:39,400
That was what you peel fruit with.
The small orange knife.
548
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,120
Probably about this size with teeth.
549
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:50,400
If you wanted to hurt yourself,
and thought about it seriously
550
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,600
you'd choose a knife for cutting meat.
551
00:49:54,680 --> 00:50:01,560
With this knife you'd have bigger
problems than if you used this knife.
552
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,800
This is even bigger. The blade is
much wider. And it had teeth.
553
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,720
You imagine knives with teeth
will hurt more.
554
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,680
She turned around here.
I wanted to catch her like this
555
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,640
and she went here behind the table
and I see her still doing this.
556
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:24,720
From Kateřina's questioning we hear Aneta
was holding the knife with both hands.
557
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,520
Ahmad should've been defending
the stabbing from behind.
558
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,520
When he went in, I didn't hear screaming.
No, no, no, no! And I ran right in.
559
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,600
But in the re-enactment, they don't speak
about it and show a different situation.
560
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,880
Now I saw Aneta is holding
the knife in her right hand
561
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,040
and that she keeps turning away from him
562
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,240
and keeps turning and turning.
563
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,840
Maybe she didn't want me to catch her.
564
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,160
For a moment she said that he caught me.
565
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:59,000
Together we were kind of like this,
and we moved like this.
566
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,200
-How are you doing?
-Okay, fine.
567
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:15,800
Are you able to do more today or…?
568
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,280
-According to what.
-Want some fresh air? What would help?
569
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:20,640
I don't know.
570
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:24,360
Again I see so many things
571
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,680
that nobody is answering for us.
572
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:47,560
I took the knife like this in this hand
and gave it back like this.
573
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:52,000
She kept stabbing herself.
574
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:57,840
I tried taking it again
and I got stabbed right here.
575
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,960
The knife went here and here.
576
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:48,800
Despite the knife having teeth, all of her
wounds were cut with a straight blade.
577
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:54,280
The only one that was caused by a toothed
knife is the one Ahmad had on his hand.
578
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,240
This cut matches the toothed knife.
579
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,080
I screamed at her so she'd notice me.
580
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,520
I remember that and she came right at me.
581
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,040
Yes, she said she went
at me with the knife.
582
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,560
They were best friends. Is that right?
583
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,880
That's what they say.
But it's not like that.
584
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,480
Here it interferes with
the fates of others.
585
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:36,960
If it was a suicide,
the two that were in the room with her
586
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,280
will still now be suffering from
the fact that they are suspects.
587
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,520
At the re-enactment
there were no other options tested.
588
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,120
She could've been sitting
or stabbed from behind.
589
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:54,000
They could've started stabbing like this.
Two people could've stabbed her.
590
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,640
Several of the wounds could've
been made after she was dead.
591
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:01,480
They didn't speak about
the cut marks on her hand.
592
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,400
-When did they get there and how?
-She even had hematoma on her head
593
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,320
as if someone hit her
or pushed her on the ground,
594
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,880
but the hematoma had to
come from somewhere.
595
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:18,600
It could also be a possibility
that Aneta really took the knife first
596
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,640
but in self defense.
597
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,520
If someone was holding
598
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,280
the knife behind Aneta,
599
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:38,800
there would be a similar movement
to the chest, so it's definitely possible.
600
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,920
There's just the question of armlength.
601
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,600
How far can your arm reach?
602
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,760
According to the autopsy,
the wounds were made like this.
603
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,200
Nobody could stab themselves like that.
She'd have to do it like this.
604
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,360
-Look, there's a situation.
-I'd stab myself like this, not across.
605
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,360
-I'm 6 ft 6. How tall are you?
-5 ft 6.
606
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,040
That means I could do it.
Ahmad was much smaller.
607
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,000
5 ft 6. He was smaller than Aneta.
608
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,360
For me it'd be more probable
if she was sitting.
609
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:24,120
Plus one of the stabs, the knife
to the heart turned a bit at the end.
610
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:29,320
For that, one who's never stuck a knife
into meat needs to develop
611
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,960
a lot of physical strength.
He's just not experienced.
612
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,960
I was told that turning the knife
613
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,320
when a person is bleeding,
can be done either by soldiers
614
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,520
or people who really
have a lot of practice with these things.
615
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:50,360
That a normal person could never turn
the knife like this in the heart.
616
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,760
-So any more questions?
-Not from me.
617
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,040
What we did explains well
the stab wounds on the chest.
618
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,000
So how the witness performed,
how the injuries happened, it's possible?
619
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,040
It is.
620
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:07,960
It's 11:52 AM. I'm concluding
today's re-enactment.
621
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,320
No blood samples exist
622
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,560
and we don't know
how much cocaine Ahmad took.
623
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,400
We don't know what state
he could've been in.
624
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,880
And that's a big problem
that we'll never be able to answer.
625
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,080
We've asked the Police of Czechia:
626
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,800
"Why weren't Ahmad and Kateřina's
blood samples taken
627
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,720
to know to which degree they were
under the influence of drugs?"
628
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,600
Response: "They were neither
suspects nor victims."
629
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,480
"As witnesses they testified that
despite the influence of drugs
630
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,960
they admitted consuming,
they still remember the event."
631
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,640
"So, there was no legal objective reason."
632
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:42,000
Our friend suddenly took a knife
and wanted to stab herself in the heart.
633
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:47,840
-And did she stab herself?
-She didn't, but she's lying on the floor,
634
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,800
staring and making a strange noise.
635
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,560
-Is she whirring?
-Yea, she's whirring.
636
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:58,000
We arranged that we would have
another autopsy done.
637
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,200
She wished I personally take part in it.
638
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,640
The doctors opened up the body again.
639
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,360
The organs were stacked up
and now comes the moment
640
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,320
when one doctor looks at the other.
I didn't understand
641
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,320
and he says, "Hey, does this look normal?
We're missing something."
642
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,120
And I ask, what's missing?
643
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,800
I say, "Hold up, guys, but we need
the heart. That's really important."
644
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,720
"Is it normal that the heart isn't there?"
645
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,560
We talked for half an hour about
where the heart was. We didn't have it,
646
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:55,600
so the doctors couldn't determine
how the knife pierced the body
647
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,480
and I think that it was
the determining element
648
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,960
of the whole criminal proceeding
that, without the heart,
649
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,040
it would be very difficult to prove
if a third person was involved
650
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,800
or if it was a voluntary
departure from this life.
651
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,480
We asked the police
about the missing heart.
652
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,840
"Is it common practice that certain
organs, in this case the heart,
653
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,880
are removed during an autopsy?"
654
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,920
"What are the usual procedures
for handling organs after an autopsy?"
655
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,560
Response: "The heart was further examined
656
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,600
and remained in
the Institute of Forensic Medicine,
657
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,320
where the initial autopsy was performed."
658
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,160
"If the Institute of Forensic Medicine
did not request it,
659
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,440
it's a question for this institute
why it did not do so."
660
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,320
"At the institute, it was dealt with
like any other human remains.
661
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,840
The former term is bio-waste."
662
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,400
They just threw it away.
663
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,520
MEDICAL EXAMINER PERFORMING SECOND AUTOPSY
664
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,760
If there hadn't been this second autopsy,
we wouldn't have discovered this.
665
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,680
HEART NOT FOUND IN BODY
666
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,640
Not finding the heart in a second autopsy
was really uncommon.
667
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,640
It completely shocked us.
668
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,720
And to some extent it even complicated
the evaluation of the whole case
669
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,320
considering whether it was
a murder or suicide.
670
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,160
I don't recall any of
our autopsy technicians
671
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,160
ever forgetting
to return an organ to the body.
672
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,200
It's something completely unimaginable.
673
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,880
Despite urging our colleagues
who performed the original autopsy,
674
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,200
the heart was not returned
675
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,960
and we were unable to judge
how it was damaged.
676
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,680
How can it happen…
677
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:35,400
Yes, it seems to me really implausible.
Sure it seems the same to us both.
678
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:40,840
It's the next puzzle piece that doesn't
lead to someone committing suicide,
679
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:45,920
but leads to it not being as described
and that is a big difference to say
680
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,520
if there's effort to point at somebody
or refute it happened as they describe.
681
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,720
The police have again closed the case
682
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:02,000
stating Aneta committed suicide
under the influence of toxic psychosis.
683
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,960
-Emergency services.
-Operations center.
684
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,760
We need you in Letňany.
We have a woman stabbed and unconscious.
685
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,360
-Supposedly been stabbed in the heart.
-Stabbed in the heart? What's the address?
686
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,640
Nepomuckých 749/15.
687
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,120
They say she's on the second floor.
688
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,600
The one stabbed is Rodová.
689
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,520
-Rodová. How old is she?
-23 and she's unconscious…
690
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,480
23 and she's unconscious. Stabbed.
691
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,320
So I'll take you now to Ahmad's flat.
692
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,200
Mr Štoček is an amazing criminologist.
A retired expert.
693
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,600
He gives interviews and comments on cases.
He's a consultant.
694
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,160
He works on screenplays for
Czech TV for criminal cases
695
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:07,600
so he's enjoying his retirement as
a crime scene celebrity. We all know it.
696
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:13,880
I've heard about this case,
concerning the death of Aneta Rodová.
697
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,080
This has been examined for a long time.
698
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:22,760
The murder can look like a suicide.
699
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,320
But also suicide can look like murder.
700
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,200
But concerning this case,
701
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,840
I think the decision was correct
702
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:39,560
because there are certain things
that are connected to suicide.
703
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,960
This is the kitchen table where the three
of them sat that night until morning.
704
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:49,760
They were chatting, drinking water.
Ahmad and Kateřina took cocaine here.
705
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,600
There were blood stains here.
A shoe print of blood here.
706
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:57,320
There was blood even here
probably from his hand
707
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:03,560
-because the blood was even here.
-Or it could be when she slit her wrists.
708
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:08,040
Let's say that she cut herself,
709
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:15,120
so it could be from that and then on the
balcony she saw that nothing is happening.
710
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,680
Blood is flowing
but not as she'd imagined,
711
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,320
so she came back into the room.
712
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,800
In case the death wasn't voluntary
713
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,480
and Ahmad had a part to play in it,
714
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,960
she would've defended herself. When it's
life or death, you make every effort.
715
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:18,000
There's adrenaline.
You have a lot more strength.
716
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:23,160
The glasses on the table
would've either fallen
717
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,920
or be turned over.
718
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,920
Yes, turned over chairs.
It would look different.
719
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,760
How would a murder look is another
question, but there would be a circus,
720
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,080
one person wouldn't have
been able to just kill her.
721
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:52,280
NO INJURIES SHOWED SIGNS OF SELF DEFENSE
722
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,360
I'll ask one more thing.
Here we have photos of Ahmad.
723
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:23,400
He was wearing a t-shirt and barefoot.
Isn't it strange that both feet are clean.
724
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,680
When we see here there was a battle,
clearly blood was spread around.
725
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:34,680
In theory there should be blood
on his feet from stepping in it,
726
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:40,200
but maybe he wiped his feet somewhere.
He must have also wiped his hand.
727
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:47,200
They can't just stay there in the flat,
standing, sitting and bleeding, you know.
728
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,000
So the amount of blood
on the scene seems normal.
729
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:56,360
You can assume that
she was bleeding internally,
730
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,120
into her chest cavity.
731
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,720
That also happens
732
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:07,560
but you see that
there was quite a bit of blood there.
733
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,800
The police didn't have
the power to choose.
734
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:18,600
Based on how it looked,
it couldn't have been murder.
735
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:30,080
I always have the rule
when you have a questioning.
736
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:35,480
From the questioning you always
have to cut out the beginning and end
737
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:40,240
and take just the conflict
because that's always different.
738
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:45,600
In such emotional cases
when someone says something
739
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,960
and now quickly describes it,
740
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:52,120
sometimes they don't remember
and now they're just making it up.
741
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:56,520
What's important, I don't know
if you have it, but probably,
742
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:01,240
-is the recording of the emergency call.
-Yea, but he's not on the recording.
743
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:06,440
And on the other hand she acts like
someone who has just come onto the scene.
744
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,640
It's obvious that she didn't know what
had happened. That's what I think.
745
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,760
Because when they ask if she was stabbed,
she can't see the stab wounds.
746
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:18,520
In the re-enactment that the police did
due to the mother's pressuring,
747
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,840
she acts as if she'd seen everything.
He was holding her like this.
748
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:27,399
She even came after him, so she might
have wanted to help him under pressure.
749
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,520
It could be him
so she could be influenced by that.
750
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,439
Of course the case has been in the media,
751
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,080
but you say they have
to agree in the conflict.
752
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,000
I don't think he's the culprit.
753
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,800
It's hard to say.
754
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,880
-She didn't stab herself, did she?
-I don't know.
755
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:57,399
Murder, suicide, suspicious death.
756
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,800
In all cases it's necessary
to treat it as if it were a murder.
757
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:08,880
And the police officer who arrives
at the scene must make the decision.
758
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,479
He must be experienced enough,
759
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,920
to know that this is
beyond his capabilities
760
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,880
and that he must call up a specialist.
761
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,880
In this case, the Crime Scene Unit.
762
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,520
Of course, throughout the whole time,
everything needs to be secured.
763
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,359
Nobody apart from the specialists
should be allowed to enter the apartment,
764
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,399
not until they say
they're done with the scene of the crime.
765
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:39,279
Then, the investigator from the
First Homicide Division can look around.
766
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,800
Do you think there's a real chance
it'll open back up?
767
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:49,840
In my view, there is a chance,
but it's not up to the lawyer.
768
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,400
The lawyer is the instrument but
what's going to open it up, that's key.
769
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:57,080
It's the expert reports
and it's the biomechanic one.
770
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:01,360
That is what's disputed against the topic
of the autopsy reports,
771
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:03,440
against how the autopsy was conducted,
772
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,880
meaning really building the apartment
or kitchen in the dimensions it was.
773
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:12,560
To try to tell someone it really played
out as they described in those versions.
774
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,280
Let's play it out how they did at
the re-enactment and do it in full force.
775
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,720
Let's not do it that
a fist flies like this…
776
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,400
The fact is that you are one
of a few people who were in the apartment
777
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:27,240
so basically you can say
what you think about it.
778
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:32,520
Let's move on. Let's do the first step.
Shall we go inside? Let's do it.
779
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,360
The hallway.
780
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,960
-Does anything come back when you…
-Yes, a little.
781
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,200
It's giving me goosebumps.
782
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,640
-Hello.
-Hello.
783
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,960
-I'm Anežka Matušínská.
-I'll introduce myself too.
784
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,280
-Okay, don't take it personally.
-I understand.
785
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,160
-Sorry.
-Sure.
786
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,200
-I guess you understand who plays who.
-I do.
787
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,320
The concentration of cocaine was so low
788
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:40,000
that it couldn't induce
psychosis immediately.
789
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,840
She didn't have signs of being clean
790
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:49,000
because she'd taken a bit of
cocaine in the COCO Bar.
791
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:55,880
So I can't explain what happened
from a toxicological perspective.
792
01:12:55,960 --> 01:13:02,800
A toxicologist can't say if someone
committed suicide due to narcotics,
793
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,280
even less with a knife. I can't do this.
794
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:13,680
I'm saying that
I can't come to a conclusion.
795
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,720
The task of a specialist is to say
796
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,880
yes or no or it's inconclusive.
797
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:27,040
From WhatsApp chats
the Czech Police presented me,
798
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,080
it seems Ahmad is a real coke addict.
799
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,800
He's receiving psychotherapy
for his hot temper.
800
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,840
How could he play a role
in this story as a legitimate witness
801
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,840
with his mental state?
802
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:47,320
In all media outlets, it's presented
that he has problems with drugs,
803
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,280
with mental issues.
804
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:55,840
We don't know what he had
in his blood at the time.
805
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,760
If the investigation hadn't ended,
806
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,000
we wouldn't be able
with certainty to close it.
807
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,160
There will always exist some doubts.
808
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,640
Can we rule out
toxic psychosis with certainty?
809
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,880
I don't mean ruling out suicide but
under the influence of toxic psychosis.
810
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,480
There's a question for both.
811
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:50,360
It stands out to me that in this case
the police really made mistakes
812
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:52,920
they could not fix.
813
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:57,120
It was like catching a cat by its tail.
And the cat got away.
814
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:03,520
Ahmad was under a lot of pressure because
his wife found out about his affair
815
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,200
and he was under pressure from Kateřina.
816
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:12,400
That night he was at dinner
with a mafia boss friend
817
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:14,640
and they were fighting
because of the wife.
818
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:19,120
He then went to the COCO bar and treated
his aggression. That's in the records.
819
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:23,320
HE'D OFTEN BLOW UP IN RAGE IN SECONDS
820
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,120
So we know about him
and the same about Kateřina.
821
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:34,040
She's an asshole and that's from
questioning friends about her behavior.
822
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:38,200
In the news report from Josef Klima
was the testimony that Ahmad
823
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,760
could be a police informant.
824
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,480
Do you think this could be possible?
825
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,960
Look, you can't rule it out.
826
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,200
The question is
what is a police informant.
827
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:56,040
During the period of
deep totalitarianism, yes,
828
01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:02,000
but today you're looking at
a current informant.
829
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:06,840
That means I'll take a picture of Ahmad
830
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:12,800
and go to the COCO bar
and if they don't kill you at once,
831
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:18,120
maybe someone will say,
"Ahmad deals drugs here."
832
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:19,920
I don't know.
833
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:24,480
At the time I regarded him
as a very influential and rich person.
834
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:28,960
Where did he get his money from?
The police never found out these facts.
835
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:34,600
They didn't look into his past in Lebanon
so we don't know if he killed anyone.
836
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,040
We just don't know anything about it.
837
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:41,880
The family is convinced
that it was a murder.
838
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,120
And nobody will prove to them otherwise.
839
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:49,000
The police will claim that
it actually wasn't murder.
840
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,920
And nobody will prove to them otherwise.
841
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,520
But there's still this dead young girl.
842
01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:58,760
And maybe there's even
someone here guilty of murder.
843
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:03,840
If you were 100% convinced that it
was suicide as the police describe,
844
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,920
would you say it to the mother's face?
845
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,280
We've got our actors Aneta,
Ahmad and Kateřina.
846
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:32,040
We have experts on
biomechanics and pathology.
847
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:38,720
In the kitchen is only Aneta.
Ahmad and Kateřina go to the bedroom.
848
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,640
I'll ask you to take out the knife.
849
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,600
She knew where the knife is
because she's been in the flat before.
850
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:51,160
She takes it into her hand
and I'll ask Ahmad who is coming back
851
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,880
from the bedroom to the kitchen
for a glass of water
852
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,360
to come into the situation
where Aneta is already stabbing herself
853
01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:01,840
with her right hand to
the left part of her chest.
854
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:07,560
He screams "No!" and starts
grabbing for the knife.
855
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,840
She is still stabbing herself
and he is trying to take the knife.
856
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:20,000
At that moment she stabs him in the hand
and she continues stabbing herself.
857
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:45,400
One version is that Ahmad reaches for
the knife and attacks Aneta
858
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:49,680
who is sitting and completely unaware.
That means you take the kitchen knife,
859
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:55,080
go over to her from behind and will try to
stab her in the left part. Into the heart.
860
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,720
Try to catch her so she can't
defend herself. You defend yourself.
861
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,080
Just like that.
862
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:52,640
How would it look if one person,
let's say Kateřina, was holding Aneta.
863
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:58,960
Holding her hands, so she can't defend
herself. Just catch her hands. Like that.
864
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:07,120
He was holding her and laid her
on the ground so she didn't fall.
865
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:25,400
When someone's wrist is cut,
can they hold a knife in their hand
866
01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:28,080
and stab themselves
with such brutal strength
867
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,000
to get the knife through the rib cage?
868
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:50,960
When did she slit her wrists? When she was
fighting with him or when they went to bed
869
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:55,320
because he actually says
that he returned after a minute.
870
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:59,800
He just entered the bedroom
and went right back.
871
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:02,840
So my daughter
was there alone half a minute.
872
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,960
I don't know which of the wounds
were post-mortem and which weren't.
873
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,880
Nobody can answer that.
874
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:28,720
I don't know if the first blow
was fatal or the others.
875
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,160
Is it possible that they could
live two more hours?
876
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,400
I could definitely explain how it would be
877
01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:58,240
if a third person attacked so
that Miss Rodová couldn't defend herself.
878
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:19,560
I could easily believe one of the three
fatal wounds was one of the first wounds
879
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,760
which the attacker clearly
didn't have to know.
880
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:27,960
Then we can discuss why the other ones are
shallow, the ones after the fatal ones.
881
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,920
If someone wants to hide the traces.
I just don't know.
882
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:38,960
They write the wounds were surface and not
bleeding and when I look at the blouse,
883
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,440
I don't understand it.
884
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,320
Why weren't blood samples taken?
885
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,720
The conclusion of the experts is
886
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:10,200
that with respect to
biomechanics and pathology,
887
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,800
there's the chance that
my daughter could've done it herself.
888
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:19,880
With respect to psychology and toxicology,
toxic psychosis can clearly be ruled out.
889
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,120
My daughter was extremely fit.
890
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:28,680
That's why we were all so shocked
about what may have played out there.
891
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:33,680
But all experts agree
it was bad police procedure.
892
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,360
And thanks to that
we actually don't know what happened.
893
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,400
Mistakes are made.
We're only human of course.
894
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:43,960
We're only human.
895
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:47,640
But it's about making the smallest
mistakes. Not ones like these.
896
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,040
Not in these fundamental issues.
897
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,520
And in my opinion, here there were
mistakes made in fundamental issues.
898
01:26:55,600 --> 01:27:01,160
Most importantly, the one working on this
didn't know what he was doing.
899
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,040
You all made an error.
900
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:10,600
You didn't do your job and now
we aren't able to find out the truth.
901
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:15,240
But I just don't understand
how all of this here could have happened.
902
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,880
Police don't usually apologize.
903
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,880
But in my opinion,
904
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:39,520
these mistakes were made by the police.
905
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:51,040
My name is Miroslav Krutina.
I'm a lawyer.
906
01:27:54,040 --> 01:28:00,120
If I could react to the new expert reports
done by the international experts,
907
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:04,120
the psychological report
introduces a discrepancy
908
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:09,360
and suggests that Aneta's intoxication
909
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:13,600
is very unlikely to be
the cause of her death.
910
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,200
What we're making is a tool not to forget.
911
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:23,520
And if a whole group of people
don't agree with how it ended up,
912
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,800
we need the media to show that
913
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,720
there can be mistakes,
either on purpose or genuine error.
914
01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:34,120
It enables people to think about it
915
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,960
and it can happen that more
new information appears
916
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:41,760
based on any media coverage
and any sources of information
917
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,760
that lead to Mrs Rodová
one day getting her answer.
918
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,880
I think that he had the psychosis.
919
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:52,280
Is he influential? Yes?
920
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:57,640
But nobody knows what he did in Lebanon.
And now he's escaped back.
921
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,040
He's there now
and we have no way to extradite
922
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,520
and he's convicted
for a criminal act for five years.
923
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:12,080
I don't know a mother who would
come to terms with her child dying.
924
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:18,040
The fact that my child decided
or got into a situation
925
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,640
that took their life
or caused them to die…
926
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,840
It's that we believe our children
and protect them.
927
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:30,080
But when you look
objectively at the circumstances,
928
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:36,280
we know the mother could've had
a misrepresented view of her daughter.
929
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:39,240
That's for sure.
930
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:46,240
The person you are calling is not
available. Please try again later.
931
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:55,240
Jakub was my daughter's boyfriend with
whom she was in the Dominican Republic.
932
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,720
Why doesn't anyone want
to talk about Aneta?
933
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:04,600
Why have none of her friends come
despite us contacting them five times?
934
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,640
We contacted Aneta's father
and he met with us.
935
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,240
We told him about the film
and he didn't say a single word.
936
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,560
Why does nobody
from the police want to talk?
937
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:18,680
Nobody wants to speak about Aneta.
938
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:21,400
Only the mother.
939
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:26,720
We had a meeting arranged
with Aneta's ex-boyfriend, Jakub.
940
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:31,480
We talked on the phone an hour before,
and then he didn't show up.
941
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:37,160
Then he changed his phone number and
disappeared from the face of the Earth.
942
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:40,680
He disappeared from
the Trade and Commercial Registers.
943
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:44,040
We visited three addresses
he should live at.
944
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:45,240
Nobody anywhere.
945
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:52,000
I don't know why. Are they afraid?
Are they afraid of the police?
946
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:56,480
Are they afraid Aneta did kill herself
and they don't want to torment the mother?
947
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,840
Are they afraid someone killed her
and are therefore afraid of the mafia?
948
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,160
I don't know.
949
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:05,400
But the one thing I do know is
950
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:09,600
that nobody wants to come
and talk in front of the camera.
951
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:35,360
It's December 24, 2023.
952
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:43,040
Here in this green house
Ahmad just entered… to exercise.
953
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:49,640
I met him here in a shop because he called
out from behind if I'm checking out
954
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,600
and I turned around
and looked him right in the face.
955
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:57,040
So now we're trying
to figure out what to do.
956
01:32:00,440 --> 01:32:02,240
There he is. Ahmad!
957
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,080
Hello. Are you Ahmad?
958
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:22,520
-Why are you asking?
-I remember you from one case.
959
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:24,600
-Excuse me?
-We are filmmakers.
960
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:26,240
-Who are you?
-We are filmmakers.
961
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,200
-Filmmakers, making films.
-Yes.
962
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:30,320
Okay, so what?
963
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,160
We are filming this one case.
Do you think you'd have coffee with us?
964
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,920
-No.
-Only coffee. We sit, that's all.
965
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,120
Trust us.
This is the best thing that could happen.
966
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:47,160
We're filmmakers.
There's a film about Aneta Rodová.
967
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:50,520
It was probably clear to you when
we said we were filmmakers, right?
968
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,480
I've tried to clear this from my head.
969
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:58,960
It's haunted me what she did.
970
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:04,080
One girl took her life.
She died in front of my eyes.
971
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,240
Suicide right in front of me.
972
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:13,880
It haunts me when
I remember and think about it.
973
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:17,640
Then I went away.
974
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:21,040
This has haunted my children.
975
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,400
It's completely destroyed my life.
976
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:30,440
The police investigated this three times.
977
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:36,280
-Why do you think she died?
-I don't know.
978
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,120
I don't know.
979
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,480
-And you're not in contact with Kateřina?
-No.
980
01:33:43,480 --> 01:33:47,720
I've been away five years. In Lebanon for…
981
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:53,600
My mother was sick and then COVID.
Then I came back.
982
01:33:54,440 --> 01:33:56,560
I have kids here.
983
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:05,560
Whatever you will do or say, you'll make
it against me. I'm that foreigner!
984
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:12,560
If I were doing it against you and
I didn't have a single piece of evidence…
985
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,640
How would I justify it?
986
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:21,040
-Okay.
-Just think about it.
987
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:25,200
I'd be real glad if we could talk.
988
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:29,200
Okay. I will think this through.
989
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,000
Is it possible to get a contact number?
990
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:39,640
Not right now, but if I will
contact you, you will have it.
991
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,800
-Thank you.
-I'll let you know.
992
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:49,520
What is there to say?
We couldn't do more than we did.
993
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:54,480
For me, I think that someone wanted this.
Let everyone think what they want.
994
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:57,720
That's probably all I can say.
995
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:11,000
The statute of limitations
is another ten years,
996
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:12,840
so I have ten years to do it myself.
997
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:16,600
The police aren't doing anything
and won't.
998
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,160
They investigated, so I have ten years.
999
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:22,760
Her life can't be returned.
1000
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,880
I'd like to know the truth.
1001
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:28,640
It would be easier for me.
1002
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,000
The life can't be returned either way.
1003
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,120
Nothing to do about that.
1004
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,840
But I could live better.
1005
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:40,560
In peace.
1006
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:52,240
To look at the grave of your own child
is absolutely the worst thing ever.
1007
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:56,520
I do always think about what happened,
1008
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:59,800
nine years thinking up why it happened.
1009
01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:03,160
I love my daughter. My only daughter.
1010
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,760
And to live with this is really hard.
1011
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:10,560
Like fucking hard.
1012
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:41,360
AHMAD AND KATEŘINA WERE CONTACTED.
1013
01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:48,440
THEY DECIDED NOT TO TAKE PART IN THE FILM.
1014
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:04,040
SUICIDE UNDER THE INFLUENCE
OF TOXIC PSYCHOSIS.
1015
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:12,760
CURRENT INFORMATION ABOUT THE CASE
CAN BE FOUND ON THE WEBSITE
1016
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,080
So let's open the case back up…
1017
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:59,960
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