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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,040 In this case, just about everything went wrong. 4 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,320 Okay. Let's do it. 5 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,880 DIRECTOR 6 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,120 In the Aneta Rodová case, there are many questions that can only be answered by me. 7 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,760 Many things happened outside of filming, off camera. 8 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,880 Everyone on the film crew has their own opinion about this case, 9 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,360 but our goal for the film was to stick to the facts available. 10 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,280 What your conclusion will be at the end of the film is yours alone. 11 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,680 But consider if you have the stomach for it, because it's not a pleasant sight. 12 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:25,040 It all started on September 20, 2014. 13 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,040 20 SEPTEMBER 2014 14 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,440 YOU ARE LISTENING TO THE ORIGINAL PHONE RECORDING. 15 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,840 -Prague Police Helpline, how can we help? -Hi, this is Kateřina… 16 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,560 Can you come right away to Nepomuckých Street in Prague? 17 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:59,280 -Nepomuckých Street? -Yea, Nepomuckých. Our friend cut herself. 18 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:04,480 -What's the house number? -749… I don't know right now. 19 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,280 -Is she inside or outside? -Inside. 20 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,800 -On what floor? -Second. 21 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:16,440 -What's the lady's name and age? -Aneta Rodová. She's 23. 22 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,320 -Is she communicating? Is she conscious? -She's not conscious, but just staring. 23 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,720 No! Aneta! Hurry! 24 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,680 I still need to ask you… 25 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,720 Did she cut her hands? Where's she cut? 26 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,400 She wanted to stab herself in the heart. 27 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:40,240 And she stabbed my boyfriend when he tried to take the knife from her. 28 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,960 My colleagues are coming. They'll also call an ambulance, okay? 29 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,640 -Thank you. -They'll tell you exactly what to do. 30 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,480 Okay. 31 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,960 My name's Marc Deveaux. I'm a toxicology expert from Paris. 32 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,520 She cut my boyfriend because he wanted to take the knife. She tried to stab herself. 33 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:52,680 WITNESS 34 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,160 SUICIDE? 35 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,320 She wanted to stab herself in the heart. And she stabbed my boyfriend. 36 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:19,600 ANETA - SUICIDE 37 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,040 19TH SEPTEMBER 2014 38 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,560 Aneta and her boyfriend had returned from vacation in Dominican Republic. 39 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,680 Around midnight, Aneta met up with her friends 40 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,520 at the COCO Bar where they drank. 41 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,320 And it appears they also took cocaine. 42 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:16,240 ANETA SEEMED A LITTLE STRANGE. 43 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,960 SHE WAS CHAINSMOKING. 44 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:35,000 Kateřina and Ahmad decided to do another line of cocaine. 45 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,680 Aneta didn't join in with them. 46 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,880 After that they got up and went to lie down. 47 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,040 What are you doing? 48 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,080 Have you gone mad! What are you doing? 49 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,320 NO! 50 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,240 What the fuck is going on! 51 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,560 Call an ambulance! 52 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,760 Hi, this is Kateřina… 53 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:06,880 Can you come right away to Nepomuckých Street in Prague? 54 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,240 Our friend cut herself. 55 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,920 Help! 56 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,080 -Someone's here. -Someone's already there? 57 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,720 -Is it the police? Put them on the phone. -Hello. 58 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,760 Emergency services. We're on our way. How does it look? Is the girl conscious? 59 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:33,160 -She's not. Not entirely, but is close. -What does that mean? 60 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,400 Her eyes are rolled up. 61 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,640 And when you slap her cheek, she doesn't react? 62 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,280 -No, she doesn't. -Is she looking? Can she turn her head? 63 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,920 Hey, hey! Yes, but not too well. 64 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,520 Your hand, please. 65 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,080 According to the police, Aneta suffered a fatal injury. 66 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,160 Self-inflicted with a knife. 67 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,720 But her mother thinks it was murder. 68 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,800 MOTHER OF THE DECEASED 69 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,200 September 20, 2014. 70 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,240 Are you ready? 71 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,040 Try to look back on that day. What were you doing? 72 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:15,200 That day I'll remember for the rest of my life as the worst day of my life. 73 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,680 I was in the forest that day with my mother. 74 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,800 And my phone started ringing. 75 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:30,760 My neighbor was calling to see where I was because the police were looking for me. 76 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:40,960 I thought, "Oh no, Aneta probably parked illegally and they want to tow the car." 77 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,560 So I said thanks and that I'd call them and my neighbor said "no." 78 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,520 "They're waiting here for you, Please come straight home." 79 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:56,960 So two policemen from Kladno came and told me they don't know what happened 80 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,400 but it's something with my daughter, but everything is okay so I should calm down. 81 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,720 I said, "Calm down? What about my daughter?" 82 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:10,440 They gave me the phone number to the Vinohrady hospital 83 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,480 and they'll tell me everything there. 84 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,160 Dr. Pažout told me 85 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,760 that my daughter had died and was in pathology. 86 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,840 I asked what had happened. 87 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,320 He told me she died from a drug overdose and alcohol. 88 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,280 I said my daughter barely drinks. 89 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,600 I then passed out. They called an ambulance. 90 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:56,480 I came to in the elevator. I said I'm not going anywhere. 91 00:10:56,560 --> 00:11:01,520 First, I just need to find out what happened and where my daughter is. 92 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:07,600 At that time two other police from Prague called and said, 93 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:13,480 "Your daughter died from multiple stab wounds. She committed suicide." 94 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,840 There is nothing normal with this case. 95 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,240 CRIMINALIST, FORMER MEMBER OF PRAGUE HOMICIDE TEAM 96 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,560 From the start of the investigation, a whole list of items was neglected, 97 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,920 which are never easy to find afterwards. 98 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,520 If someone was or wasn't to blame for it, if it really was suicide, 99 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,920 or if someone took part in the suicide and if that constitutes murder. 100 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:49,520 Official Record of Explanation provided September 20, 2014. 101 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,720 At 11:38 Kateřina is called in for questioning. 102 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,680 Kateřina was a so-called friend of Aneta. 103 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,280 "Yesterday, September 19, 2014, 104 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,080 Aneta and I planned to go to a club in the center." 105 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,680 "I called my boyfriend, Ahmad, 106 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,840 who suggested we go to Club COCO on Kaprová Street in Prague." 107 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,320 Mr Ahmad. 108 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,280 That's the person who hasn't let me sleep for nine years. 109 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:32,040 "I'm married with two kids. I live with my wife at my permanent residence." 110 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,760 "Four months ago, I was looking for a psychologist for marriage problems." 111 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:45,640 "Thanks to that I found a girlfriend named Kateřina. Around 25 years old." 112 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,000 "I bought a flat for us in Letňany, on Nepomuckých St." 113 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,560 Jakub. Status? Single. Boyfriend of victim. 114 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,560 Jakub was my daughter's boyfriend with whom she went to the Dominican Republic. 115 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:07,560 "I'm dating another girl long-term that Aneta knew about. But we still dated." 116 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,080 "Aneta and I also had an intimate relationship." 117 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,680 "We landed back from vacation on Friday in Munich at 7:30AM." 118 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,040 "Then we flew to Vienna, landing around 10AM." 119 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,920 "From Vienna we took a bus to Brno. I got off in Brno 120 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,080 and Aneta went on alone to Prague where she arrived after midnight." 121 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,800 "I was with Ahmad in the club from 11PM." 122 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,080 "Aneta and I had agreed she'd get a cab 123 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,800 and put her luggage in my car parked at the club." 124 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,480 "Aneta arrived sometime after midnight and started enjoying herself." 125 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,400 "She was smiling, but she didn't dance." 126 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,120 "She appeared to be okay." 127 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,400 LAST PHOTO OF ANETA 128 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:01,280 No, she actually couldn't stand blood and didn't like real violence. 129 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:13,200 She'd only get in a bad mood when she had a headache or was sick. 130 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,520 But even then, she'd try to fake it. 131 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,920 She had a lot of friends not just from school but also outside school. 132 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,960 She'd go with her friends to the mountains and skiing in France a lot. 133 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:31,720 She was really popular. She was always having friends at our house. 134 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:36,560 She lived a normal life. She did sports. She went to work every day. 135 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:54,720 She didn't drink much, but she'd definitely have a glass. 136 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,440 I never saw her drink alcohol at home 137 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,880 and from the time she was 18, 138 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:06,760 she'd learnt to drive and she would drive to most parties, 139 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,360 so she didn't drink. 140 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:13,760 The police described my daughter as being 141 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,440 psychologically disturbed. 142 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:23,000 She committed suicide due to heartbreak and had lots of problems her whole life. 143 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:30,000 We were surprised since none of that was true, so it also really shocked us. 144 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:35,200 If even half was true, maybe we'd say, okay, there was a mistake somewhere. 145 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,600 But there really wasn't. 146 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,760 INTOXICATION 147 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,200 CERTAIN DRUGS 148 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,480 EXPERT REPORTS 149 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,440 I've been trying to understand it for eight years and I can't. 150 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,280 Toxic psychosis can occur 151 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:35,280 if the user consumes a large amount of cocaine over a long period of time. 152 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:39,760 If we analyze ten separate centimeters of hair, 153 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:45,200 we'll analyze ten months of consumption. They did that here. 154 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:50,040 Mostly it was the same concentration of material in all the analyzed segments. 155 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:52,800 That means that 156 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,880 Aneta regularly used cocaine. 157 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,000 But since the concentration was very low, 158 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,840 it wasn't an above average consumption. 159 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:10,120 But the diagnosis was already stated in the hospital. So it's really strange. 160 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:17,760 At the beginning of the questioning, I admitted all possible outcomes 161 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,240 and didn't rule out the possibility that my daughter killed herself. 162 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,840 When I got the toxicology report 163 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:30,600 and found my daughter didn't have any alcohol in her 164 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,160 and a small amount of cocaine, I concluded that this is bullshit. 165 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,920 They were working with just one version. That was intoxication and psychosis 166 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,680 and didn't know at all how horribly my daughter was stabbed. 167 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,640 That was found out after the autopsy. 168 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,360 I can't understand how a doctor couldn't see 169 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,120 three fatal wounds to the right chamber of the heart. 170 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,040 She was stabbed so badly. I can't understand it. 171 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:32,000 On my desktop I see loads of files. 172 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,240 The High Prosecutor's Office, 173 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,960 The High Court Prague. 174 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,000 There's just loads of files. 175 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,920 A letter addressed to the Czech Police. District Police headquarters of CSI, 176 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,960 212/17 Zenklova Street. 177 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,960 "I requested information from you, but you didn't respond at all." 178 00:19:54,040 --> 00:20:00,560 "After four months, you submitted reports from experts you yourselves hired 179 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,080 on the basis of your statement that came from your investigation." 180 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,200 "I still don't know where my daughter's things are, 181 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,320 as the police never handed them over, including her passport." 182 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:18,720 Answers from the police after five months: "We sent her debit card to her bank 183 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:23,280 and I'm not sure about her passport. Our office is being renovated 184 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:28,880 so we are in a bit of a war zone and I can't find whether we have it here." 185 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,480 So he doesn't even know where the things are and what they have there. 186 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,360 To this day I don't know who took the knife out of my daughter or why. 187 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,240 First, the knife is in the bedroom, 188 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,200 second, on the counter, later, on the floor. 189 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,960 Another time Kateřina confirmed the police said to bring it from the bedroom. 190 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,920 Kateřina even lied to her mother 191 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,440 who called me to say my daughter had been unstable since childhood 192 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,720 and was taking pills from her psychiatrist. 193 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,600 And it wasn't true. 194 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:02,960 If I could ask Kateřina one question, I'd ask why she is lying. 195 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,080 BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO CAUSE DEATH - YES 196 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,960 DEATH CAUSED BY ANOTHER WAY - YES 197 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,280 I don't know what happened. 198 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,600 Medics see only surface bloodless wounds 199 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,920 and don't pay attention to the fact my daughter could've been stabbed. 200 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,600 Bloodless wounds? This is a bloodless wound? 201 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:28,680 The police didn't look at why the records from the medic say it was bloodless. 202 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,360 Who cleaned after her? 203 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,360 When someone commits suicide, they don't wipe the floor. 204 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,160 This is really something different. 205 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,880 The next official record says that hotline 155 was received by 158. 206 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,480 Message: deeply unconscious. Stab wound to the heart. 207 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,680 -Emergency services. -Operations center. 208 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,240 We need you in Prague. A lady's stabbed and unconscious. 209 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,560 Said to be stabbed in the heart. 210 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,960 -Her eyes are rolled up. -And when you slap her, she doesn't react? 211 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,320 Not very well. Press on her, would you? 212 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,480 The doctor himself told me he doesn't know what happened. 213 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,800 He heard they were cleaning up the drugs and it was strange to him that it took 214 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,400 the ambulance a long time to leave and he urged them to several times. 215 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,160 "If they were cleaning up the drugs, it fits with what one doctor said 216 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:21,960 that someone else left the flat. Nobody has verified this information." 217 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,760 And I could continue on like this after reading three out of the fifteen pages. 218 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,040 If I could ask Ahmad one question, 219 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:35,680 I'd ask why my daughter had to die. 220 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,840 Have you gone mad! What are you doing? 221 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,240 Nobody's responded to these letters. 222 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,840 Nobody's talked to me about this. 223 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,680 Since the beginning, I've felt completely alone in this. 224 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,280 But this is my journey, my battle. 225 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,040 Okay, next… 226 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:14,320 "My first look at the records wasn't possible until the end of July, 227 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,720 despite it being closed on April 17, 2015, 228 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,800 and that's just because it started attracting media attention." 229 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:27,160 According to police, she committed suicide by stabbing herself 9 times in the chest. 230 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,240 It's definitely not a typical case. 231 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,520 Mr Doucha says the case should've been treated as a murder investigation. 232 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,920 -But that wasn't the case. -If the death seems suspicious, 233 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:41,400 it's investigated as a murder and once all factors suggest that it's not, 234 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,480 you can then assess it as suicide. 235 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,960 This whole case gives me the impression 236 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:51,080 that the police set it up the complete other way. 237 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,960 The whole case could actually one day 238 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,320 be doomed to remain unsolved. 239 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,040 "Police pathologist, Bulovka hospital." 240 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,520 They take her for a private autopsy. 241 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,120 The whole time they didn't allow me access. 242 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,960 I waited three weeks before I could even see my dead daughter. 243 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,240 The record of cuts on her hands differed. 244 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,040 In one document there's two, another has three. 245 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:25,560 "In connection with the wounds to her chest, it was later discovered: 246 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,880 internal bleeding in the chest cavity on the left side, 247 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:34,360 total collapse of her left lung, meaning she could no longer breathe." 248 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,480 Shocking changes to the kidneys." 249 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,360 "Breathing vomit into the lungs. Subcutaneous hemorrhages." 250 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,280 "This injury arose from blunt force trauma." 251 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,080 And this is a suicide. Amazing. 252 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,280 The Municipal Prosecutor's Office who identified the protests as unfounded, 253 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:56,160 re-assessed the actions of the police due to the complaints. 254 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,120 All of this is bullshit. 255 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,600 If I could ask my daughter one question, 256 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,120 it'd be why were you around these people. 257 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:17,040 To say "everything was explained," really? Everything is explained? 258 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:20,960 That's the approach I'm talking about that I don't like. 259 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,360 That it's being downplayed 260 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,840 and underestimated. 261 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,840 And when a dispute arises, 262 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,560 if it was like this or like that, 263 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,960 nobody will ever explain it 264 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,360 because they don't have enough concrete material. 265 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:44,000 That's really bad. 266 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,640 The police failed. The medic failed. 267 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,840 The Public Prosecutor failed. All involved. 268 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,240 But I ask why? Was it on purpose? 269 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,880 ATTORNEY 270 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,720 For a circle of people who were sharing their solution to the case, 271 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,040 we must note that there were many, 272 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:45,680 meaning there's a team of police working on the case 273 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:51,240 who are using a whole set of specialists. There's doctors and lab experts. 274 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,200 If we want to doubt the conclusions of the police and their work, 275 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,840 it would have to be the failure of the whole system. 276 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:06,320 One small error could not influence the investigation results in such a big way. 277 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,360 -What the fuck is going on! -Have you gone mad! 278 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,320 These pictures behind me. This is from vacation in Egypt 279 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,560 and this is from the last trip to Dominican Republic. 280 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,400 She always had such a nice positive approach to everything. 281 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,000 So I like remembering this. I always see her smiling, her good mood. 282 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,840 That's what I miss. 283 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,160 Telling someone what happened is awful. 284 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,240 And speaking about it is very hard. 285 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:09,200 It's impacted my personal life. Not only mine, but the whole family. 286 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,280 It's impacted my sister, my mother. 287 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:18,000 I'd say this destroyed all our lives. 288 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,320 When my ex-husband and I talked about it, he told me 289 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,280 that concerning the circumstances that surround the case… 290 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:35,440 He's got his own family and other kids so logically he's afraid. 291 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,640 He's afraid for his family's safety, his children's. 292 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,600 So he doesn't want to get involved in this at all. 293 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,840 In a chapel where they brought her… 294 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,080 Her face… That wasn't Aneta. 295 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,720 I aged 30 years in that moment. 296 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,800 I took her hand. 297 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,360 She was so cold. The hand was pale. 298 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,400 Her nails broken. 299 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,080 And I remember her neck. 300 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:20,000 Her whole neck was sewn up from the autopsy 301 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,600 and then I just had to leave, and I vomited outside. 302 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,880 Who really pissed me off? 303 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,440 Definitely the Public Prosecutor 304 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,960 and investigator Ušelík. 305 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,960 Mr Ušelík said to me: "Ah, you're the mother. Here, sit." 306 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,960 That's how he greeted me. It was clear he wasn't too happy to have me there. 307 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,120 "Look at yourself. Something will suddenly happen and you'll commit suicide too." 308 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,120 I looked at him and said: "Excuse me? You've got to be kidding me? 309 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,560 How dare you." 310 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,400 So I looked at him and didn't get how he could talk to me that way. 311 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,640 Then I said, nicely, "See you." He said, "Goodbye." 312 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,600 That was my meeting with Mr Ušelík. 313 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:18,000 FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST FLORIDA AUTOPSY SERVICES 314 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,480 My name is Petr Konečný. I'm a journalist. 315 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,160 And I've been looking into the death of Aneta Rodová for ten years. 316 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,960 THE STRANGEST SUICIDE ON EARTH 317 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:15,240 Call it a journalist's addiction. I think we never had such a suicide case before 318 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,320 and of course I remember the headlines. 319 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,760 How it appeared in the spectrum of media outlets. 320 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,560 Of course it was a big topic we all wanted for ourselves. 321 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,480 Everyone wanted to write about it, to get something extra the rest didn't have. 322 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,120 A lot of journalists when they started to collect this information into a mosaic, 323 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:41,840 they'd say, "This is a big topic, hiding some dark story. We have to uncover it." 324 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,280 We have a conflict of mother and police, family and the system. 325 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,560 Mrs Rodová was 100% convinced her daughter would never do anything like that. 326 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,160 ATTORNEY 327 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,640 I have no reason not to believe her 328 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,920 and to this day I am convinced Miss Rodová had no reason to leave like this. 329 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,120 We aren't talking about if it was technically possible. 330 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,720 That's a whole separate chapter. 331 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,320 We're talking about the psychology of Miss Rodová. 332 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,240 So when she came to my office, 333 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,960 it was about giving hope that we'd try to find the person responsible 334 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,640 and to find out what happened. 335 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,160 We set out on our own to find out how it was possible. 336 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,840 We even met with a famous professor Strauss about biomechanics. 337 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,200 Then we met with other experts, pathologists, toxicologists. 338 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,440 Mrs Rodová, the mother of Aneta came to me 339 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,400 and together with other experts… 340 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,760 EX-INVESTIGATOR/DETECTIVE AGENCY OWNER 341 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,080 …we filed a complaint to the ruling and justified it from our own professions. 342 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:02,920 My record alone is several hundred pages and now I think more than 500. 343 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:08,080 Expert reports, specialists' critiques, decisions of law enforcement. It's a lot. 344 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,159 The police neglected a lot of things. 345 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,800 The drugs and their quantity were not addressed. 346 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,120 Samples weren't taken from the wall or the floor. Whose blood was it? 347 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:22,560 Were there four or three people? Does the blood belong to someone else? 348 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:29,040 It definitely raises some doubts about what happened at the scene. 349 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:36,000 She lost in one court after another. She made Ahmad explain the drugs in court. 350 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,040 She even arranged for the medic treating her lifeless body at the scene 351 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,320 to explain why they didn't give a lot of information 352 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,560 needed to clearly identify the cause of death. 353 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:52,440 And if that weren't enough, it took them more than two hours 354 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,040 to go from the apartment to the hospital. 355 00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:00,240 That means, where did the body go and who was involved? 356 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,920 We wanted to reconstruct the crime to show what actually happened at the scene. 357 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,400 We were told that the flat had been sold so it couldn't be done. 358 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,560 We put forward the expert report from forensic biomechanics, Mr. Strauss. 359 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,560 The Senior State Prosecutor rejected my complaint that it wasn't needed. 360 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,720 We wanted the shirt she was stabbed in. 361 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,400 They said they'd give it to us once they finished, but then they couldn't find it. 362 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,360 We wanted the material for our own examination. 363 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:36,360 They aren't used to someone coming and asking why they didn't do this or that. 364 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,880 "You didn't find the taxi. Don't you know there are cameras in the building?" 365 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,280 "There are cameras? Oh!" 366 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,520 The police didn't question the neighbors 367 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,600 who said they claimed to hear an argument. They heard a foreign language. 368 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,440 Absolutely in conflict with Ahmad and Kateřina's description 369 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:02,440 of them sitting calmly and chatting. They definitely didn't mention yelling. 370 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:07,360 They came from a party around 3 or 4AM. Wild mornings. You could hear a threesome. 371 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,360 NEIGHBOR 372 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,400 A threesome like two girls, one man, like sex? 373 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,120 No. 374 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,800 The police do nothing. They have something we could use 375 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,560 and they don't want to give it to us and we can't use it either. 376 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:22,760 It's as if they are trying to complicate things. 377 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,880 It doesn't suit them that Mrs Rodová and I are still bothering them. 378 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,480 If there'd been a recreation or evidence, 379 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:38,360 it'd be clear for some reason because the evidence wouldn't be needed. 380 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,520 That's why it "wasn't necessary" to secure blood trails, because for what, right? 381 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,560 I'd be interested in the blood trails. I'd be interested where his were. 382 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,240 Well, okay… 383 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,640 We sent the Czech Police a letter: 384 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:03,480 "Why weren't all blood samples taken and examined from the scene?" 385 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,600 "We don't know to whom several of the blood trails belong." 386 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,680 Response: "There was no objective reason to collect every blood trail 387 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,200 when there were objectively only two people injured at the scene." 388 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,040 "How the blood trails were collected at the scene fits the events 389 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,440 and the movement of people around the apartment." 390 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,040 CRIMINAL LAW 391 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,800 If you say you're investigating something like suicide, that's how you'll proceed. 392 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,160 When you say you're investigating murder, that's how you'll proceed. 393 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:38,080 But it's the same as if you're investigating a car accident. 394 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,800 If we see that the police were following the one version of suicide, 395 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,400 the experts de facto responded to one question. 396 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,280 Could it have happened? It could've. 397 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,880 The expert reports worked to discard any objective doubts. 398 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,240 They should've decidedly glued Mrs. Rodová's mouth shut. "Don't ask anything." 399 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:02,120 "It was suicide. "We have the reports. It's clear. Period." 400 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,840 I can't come to terms with making clear conclusions 401 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,880 about her mental suffering without her being able to react. 402 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,880 I've got a friend who's a traffic accident expert, 403 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,640 and he says he's able to tape off an accident 404 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:24,840 anywhere two meters to the left or right, without a problem. 405 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,080 Meaning cars going in whatever direction. 406 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,680 This is precisely how expert reports work. 407 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,120 Why do you think it was investigated as a suicide? 408 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,320 You have to ask the police. 409 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,480 In my opinion, it started to be treated as a suicide 410 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,880 because the only two witnesses at the scene described the act as a suicide. 411 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,560 When and on what basis was it decided in this case 412 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,320 that Kateřina and Ahmad are labelled as witnesses? 413 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,520 Police response: "Those named had reported what Aneta had done, 414 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,800 and testified to what they saw and heard." 415 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,040 "As there were no suspicious conditions discovered at the scene, 416 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,600 which would indicate another person was involved in harming the victim, 417 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,160 they were taken as witnesses." 418 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,680 "A witness is a person who presents a fact relevant for criminal proceedings 419 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,320 experienced by their own senses." 420 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,920 "The witness can remember it and is able to recreate it, 421 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,080 which is the case for both named persons." 422 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,920 SUICIDE 423 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,160 They didn't interviewed Ahmad because he had an injured hand. 424 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:03,480 At his request he is sent to a psychiatric clinic for four days 425 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,720 with no limitations because he hasn't been charged with anything. 426 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,000 He's got his phone with him and can talk to whomever he wants. 427 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,640 They take photos of the flat, document it, but don't seal it so anyone can come. 428 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:17,960 That means with his phone, from the clinic 429 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:23,120 he can get anyone not just to wipe it down, take away cocaine, but… anything. 430 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,400 How could they let him keep his keys? 431 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,840 If you're working with the version of suicide, why seal off the flat 432 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:35,680 where there was no crime according to the first investigating version? 433 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:42,600 Meaning that what we said at the start if you set the version as a suicide, 434 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:48,320 of course it would look strange for a murder, but for a suicide, it wouldn't. 435 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,680 This specific case I would personally say qualifies as a suspicious death. 436 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,560 If this man who was there is questioned several days later, 437 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:04,320 it can't be ruled out that those two had time to get their stories straight. 438 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,360 You can't rule this out. Certainly not. 439 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,920 In my opinion, there's lots of conflicts 440 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,280 and conflicts in criminal proceedings should be set aside. 441 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,480 Either in pre-trial or criminal proceedings or in court. 442 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,480 CANCELLED 443 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:37,880 Aneta left the COCO bar, called a taxi, got into the taxi and drove off. 444 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,600 First, she calls her friend, Andrej. 445 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,360 It's almost morning. He doesn't answer. 446 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,320 After that she calls the police. 447 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,760 20.SEPTEMBER 2014 CANCELLED 448 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,600 But she doesn't get through and we don't really know why to this day. 449 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,640 It seems strange to me when someone calls the police, 450 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:07,680 they're in danger and two hours later dead and allegedly committed suicide. 451 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,520 I think a person who commits suicide definitely doesn't call the police. 452 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,720 The doubts she created with her legal team were made public everywhere. 453 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,400 It was even said the Minister of Justice had the case file on his desk. 454 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,640 "Shit, we have to do something with this." This has influenced politics. 455 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,520 Because the case isn't normal it causes a big sensation 456 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,920 and puts pressure on the State Security Council, where the case has reached. 457 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,960 They also shook their heads. How can this happen in a place like Czechia? 458 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:49,080 This pressure led the High Prosecutor to open the case again after two years. 459 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,640 Due to doubts. 460 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,840 Today, June 2, 2016. 461 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,680 It's 9:53AM 462 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,320 and I commence this re-enactment. 463 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,560 The persons undergoing this re-enactment… 464 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,360 Ahmad is a huge mystery for all of us journalists. 465 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,480 When did he come to Czechia? When did he move here if he has Czech citizenship? 466 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,360 If his family came here? The sources of his income? He never talked about that. 467 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,960 There's one notable point that's left out because it's a long shot. 468 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:28,000 It's the theory that Ahmad was an informant for the police. A rat. 469 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,520 COCO Bar was known as the place to deal drugs. 470 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,800 The bosses of the drug cartels would meet there. 471 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:43,040 This is why the police are hiding it. Why did they treat this case so hastily? 472 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,560 For the reason of protecting their source. 473 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,200 The people undergoing this re-enactment… 474 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:52,760 Kateřina is a friend. She isn't a childhood friend. 475 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,960 She was a friend she met two years before at a language school. 476 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,120 She had a boyfriend, a rich boyfriend. A foreigner who was married, 477 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:07,320 but he supported her, got her a flat, a car, etc… He took her on vacation. 478 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,240 During this time, she was in Lebanon. 479 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,480 There she became the second Muslim wife of the entrepreneur Ahmad. 480 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,120 She converted to Islam so he could take her to Lebanon and show his family. 481 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,720 So she had to appear as a second wife. 482 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,160 But they argued. She probably wanted him to leave his wife and be with her, 483 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,000 to confess, to end the infidelity. 484 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:35,200 Aneta, as I understand from statements from friends, was a shoulder to cry on. 485 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:43,720 The re-enactment is taking place here. It's a meeting room on the first floor. 486 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:49,960 We tried to make the re-enactment as similar as possible to the flat. 487 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:56,920 A fake knife. Then there's cups, a paper towel, a tape measure and more. 488 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,480 Where there's a gap is the entrance to the bedroom. 489 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,520 This is the living room and if needed, there's the door leading to the balcony. 490 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:13,400 I got into the apartment two years after and it hadn't been sold. 491 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,800 When we asked the police to do the re-enactment in the apartment, 492 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,560 it wasn't allowed and the apartment still hadn't been sold. 493 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:28,000 I don't get why they did it in a meeting room which looked completely different. 494 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,840 -You all came back. Then what happened? -We came in and sat down. 495 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,360 I sat here. Aneta here and Ahmad here. 496 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,040 Katka here, Aneta here. 497 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:47,760 She said something. There was someone at the club who wanted to kill her. 498 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,640 She was always afraid there and she couldn't explain why. 499 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:55,760 And then she said I want to kill her. 500 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,880 I know the recent period wasn't the best 501 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,960 because she was dealing with a boyfriend who had a girlfriend of six years. 502 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,880 Did Aneta ever act like this in the past? 503 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,600 I really didn't know her that well. 504 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,880 This time we took a line of cocaine, maybe two. Katka and I. 505 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:25,080 -Like this, a long line but it was weak. -I offered Aneta but she said no. 506 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,600 -Are you a regular user? -No. 507 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,680 -How often do you use? -Twice a month. 508 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:38,160 These two under the influence of cocaine and alcohol are trustworthy witnesses. 509 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,280 Nobody filed a report on them. 510 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,080 Only a psychological report was done on my daughter who was dead. 511 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,400 She was smoking a lot. And always pacing. When she walked, she always went here. 512 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,560 I think she was checking that I haven't got a knife there. 513 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,640 I remember going to the bathroom. 514 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:04,040 -Ahmad stayed here or I don't know. -So please mark where you went. 515 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,520 -And why did you go to the bathroom? -I was sick. 516 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,000 Sick how? 517 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,120 In my stomach. I thought I'd throw up, but I didn't. 518 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,800 -You didn't throw up? -No. 519 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,560 When she didn't come to check on me, 520 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,920 I knew she was in the kitchen but I didn't know what she was doing. 521 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,920 -How long were you there for? -A short while. 522 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,840 When I came back, Aneta was sitting in my seat. They were talking together. 523 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:41,240 I listened a bit and I heard her tell Ahmad, "So do it. I'm ready. 524 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,440 Do it. I'm ready. You can kill me." 525 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,560 I told Aneta to go get some rest or if she wants to call a taxi. 526 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,800 If you don't have enough money, I'll give you some and she went like this. 527 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,240 Yeah? 528 00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:02,640 You want me to call a taxi so I leave so they kill me outside. 529 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:06,600 You know what? I'll sit here. 530 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,280 So please, kill me here. I won't go to the street. 531 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,040 -What happened to her? -I don't know. I really don't. 532 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,960 I'm telling you everything that happened. 533 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,000 I said, "Aneta, calm down. Go lie down. You're exhausted," 534 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,120 and I went into the bedroom and Ahmad came right after me. 535 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,600 We stood opposite one another. He told me he was going for a drink 536 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,280 and I didn't have time to even lie down. I was standing here. 537 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,120 In the original questioning in 2014, when the police started the investigation, 538 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:48,600 Kateřina said she'd laid down and slept. A noise had awoken her from the kitchen. 539 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,560 Now two years later, she remembered it slightly differently, 540 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:59,240 claiming it matches with Ahmad's version. They said goodbye. They're going to sleep. 541 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,520 And she instantly starts stabbing herself. 542 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,280 You're sitting at a table with someone. 543 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,720 Two go to bed and you get up, 544 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,960 pull a kitchen knife out of the drawer and start stabbing yourself. 545 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,720 I went for a glass of water. I look up and see Aneta there. 546 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,800 She's doing something I can't quite see from a distance. She's doing this. 547 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:39,400 That was what you peel fruit with. The small orange knife. 548 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,120 Probably about this size with teeth. 549 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:50,400 If you wanted to hurt yourself, and thought about it seriously 550 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,600 you'd choose a knife for cutting meat. 551 00:49:54,680 --> 00:50:01,560 With this knife you'd have bigger problems than if you used this knife. 552 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,800 This is even bigger. The blade is much wider. And it had teeth. 553 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,720 You imagine knives with teeth will hurt more. 554 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,680 She turned around here. I wanted to catch her like this 555 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,640 and she went here behind the table and I see her still doing this. 556 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:24,720 From Kateřina's questioning we hear Aneta was holding the knife with both hands. 557 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,520 Ahmad should've been defending the stabbing from behind. 558 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,520 When he went in, I didn't hear screaming. No, no, no, no! And I ran right in. 559 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,600 But in the re-enactment, they don't speak about it and show a different situation. 560 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,880 Now I saw Aneta is holding the knife in her right hand 561 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,040 and that she keeps turning away from him 562 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,240 and keeps turning and turning. 563 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,840 Maybe she didn't want me to catch her. 564 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,160 For a moment she said that he caught me. 565 00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:59,000 Together we were kind of like this, and we moved like this. 566 00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,200 -How are you doing? -Okay, fine. 567 00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:15,800 Are you able to do more today or…? 568 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,280 -According to what. -Want some fresh air? What would help? 569 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:20,640 I don't know. 570 00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:24,360 Again I see so many things 571 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,680 that nobody is answering for us. 572 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:47,560 I took the knife like this in this hand and gave it back like this. 573 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:52,000 She kept stabbing herself. 574 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:57,840 I tried taking it again and I got stabbed right here. 575 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,960 The knife went here and here. 576 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:48,800 Despite the knife having teeth, all of her wounds were cut with a straight blade. 577 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:54,280 The only one that was caused by a toothed knife is the one Ahmad had on his hand. 578 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,240 This cut matches the toothed knife. 579 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,080 I screamed at her so she'd notice me. 580 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,520 I remember that and she came right at me. 581 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,040 Yes, she said she went at me with the knife. 582 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,560 They were best friends. Is that right? 583 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,880 That's what they say. But it's not like that. 584 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,480 Here it interferes with the fates of others. 585 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:36,960 If it was a suicide, the two that were in the room with her 586 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,280 will still now be suffering from the fact that they are suspects. 587 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,520 At the re-enactment there were no other options tested. 588 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,120 She could've been sitting or stabbed from behind. 589 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:54,000 They could've started stabbing like this. Two people could've stabbed her. 590 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,640 Several of the wounds could've been made after she was dead. 591 00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:01,480 They didn't speak about the cut marks on her hand. 592 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,400 -When did they get there and how? -She even had hematoma on her head 593 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,320 as if someone hit her or pushed her on the ground, 594 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,880 but the hematoma had to come from somewhere. 595 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:18,600 It could also be a possibility that Aneta really took the knife first 596 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,640 but in self defense. 597 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,520 If someone was holding 598 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,280 the knife behind Aneta, 599 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:38,800 there would be a similar movement to the chest, so it's definitely possible. 600 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,920 There's just the question of armlength. 601 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,600 How far can your arm reach? 602 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,760 According to the autopsy, the wounds were made like this. 603 00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,200 Nobody could stab themselves like that. She'd have to do it like this. 604 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,360 -Look, there's a situation. -I'd stab myself like this, not across. 605 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,360 -I'm 6 ft 6. How tall are you? -5 ft 6. 606 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,040 That means I could do it. Ahmad was much smaller. 607 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,000 5 ft 6. He was smaller than Aneta. 608 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,360 For me it'd be more probable if she was sitting. 609 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:24,120 Plus one of the stabs, the knife to the heart turned a bit at the end. 610 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:29,320 For that, one who's never stuck a knife into meat needs to develop 611 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,960 a lot of physical strength. He's just not experienced. 612 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,960 I was told that turning the knife 613 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,320 when a person is bleeding, can be done either by soldiers 614 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,520 or people who really have a lot of practice with these things. 615 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:50,360 That a normal person could never turn the knife like this in the heart. 616 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,760 -So any more questions? -Not from me. 617 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,040 What we did explains well the stab wounds on the chest. 618 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,000 So how the witness performed, how the injuries happened, it's possible? 619 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,040 It is. 620 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:07,960 It's 11:52 AM. I'm concluding today's re-enactment. 621 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,320 No blood samples exist 622 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,560 and we don't know how much cocaine Ahmad took. 623 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,400 We don't know what state he could've been in. 624 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,880 And that's a big problem that we'll never be able to answer. 625 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,080 We've asked the Police of Czechia: 626 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,800 "Why weren't Ahmad and Kateřina's blood samples taken 627 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,720 to know to which degree they were under the influence of drugs?" 628 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,600 Response: "They were neither suspects nor victims." 629 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,480 "As witnesses they testified that despite the influence of drugs 630 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,960 they admitted consuming, they still remember the event." 631 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,640 "So, there was no legal objective reason." 632 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:42,000 Our friend suddenly took a knife and wanted to stab herself in the heart. 633 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:47,840 -And did she stab herself? -She didn't, but she's lying on the floor, 634 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,800 staring and making a strange noise. 635 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,560 -Is she whirring? -Yea, she's whirring. 636 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:58,000 We arranged that we would have another autopsy done. 637 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,200 She wished I personally take part in it. 638 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,640 The doctors opened up the body again. 639 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,360 The organs were stacked up and now comes the moment 640 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,320 when one doctor looks at the other. I didn't understand 641 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,320 and he says, "Hey, does this look normal? We're missing something." 642 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,120 And I ask, what's missing? 643 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,800 I say, "Hold up, guys, but we need the heart. That's really important." 644 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,720 "Is it normal that the heart isn't there?" 645 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,560 We talked for half an hour about where the heart was. We didn't have it, 646 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:55,600 so the doctors couldn't determine how the knife pierced the body 647 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,480 and I think that it was the determining element 648 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,960 of the whole criminal proceeding that, without the heart, 649 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,040 it would be very difficult to prove if a third person was involved 650 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,800 or if it was a voluntary departure from this life. 651 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,480 We asked the police about the missing heart. 652 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,840 "Is it common practice that certain organs, in this case the heart, 653 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,880 are removed during an autopsy?" 654 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,920 "What are the usual procedures for handling organs after an autopsy?" 655 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,560 Response: "The heart was further examined 656 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,600 and remained in the Institute of Forensic Medicine, 657 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,320 where the initial autopsy was performed." 658 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,160 "If the Institute of Forensic Medicine did not request it, 659 00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,440 it's a question for this institute why it did not do so." 660 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,320 "At the institute, it was dealt with like any other human remains. 661 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,840 The former term is bio-waste." 662 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,400 They just threw it away. 663 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,520 MEDICAL EXAMINER PERFORMING SECOND AUTOPSY 664 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,760 If there hadn't been this second autopsy, we wouldn't have discovered this. 665 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,680 HEART NOT FOUND IN BODY 666 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,640 Not finding the heart in a second autopsy was really uncommon. 667 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,640 It completely shocked us. 668 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,720 And to some extent it even complicated the evaluation of the whole case 669 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,320 considering whether it was a murder or suicide. 670 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,160 I don't recall any of our autopsy technicians 671 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,160 ever forgetting to return an organ to the body. 672 01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,200 It's something completely unimaginable. 673 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,880 Despite urging our colleagues who performed the original autopsy, 674 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,200 the heart was not returned 675 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,960 and we were unable to judge how it was damaged. 676 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,680 How can it happen… 677 01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:35,400 Yes, it seems to me really implausible. Sure it seems the same to us both. 678 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:40,840 It's the next puzzle piece that doesn't lead to someone committing suicide, 679 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:45,920 but leads to it not being as described and that is a big difference to say 680 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,520 if there's effort to point at somebody or refute it happened as they describe. 681 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,720 The police have again closed the case 682 01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:02,000 stating Aneta committed suicide under the influence of toxic psychosis. 683 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,960 -Emergency services. -Operations center. 684 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,760 We need you in Letňany. We have a woman stabbed and unconscious. 685 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,360 -Supposedly been stabbed in the heart. -Stabbed in the heart? What's the address? 686 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,640 Nepomuckých 749/15. 687 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,120 They say she's on the second floor. 688 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,600 The one stabbed is Rodová. 689 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,520 -Rodová. How old is she? -23 and she's unconscious… 690 01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,480 23 and she's unconscious. Stabbed. 691 01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,320 So I'll take you now to Ahmad's flat. 692 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,200 Mr Štoček is an amazing criminologist. A retired expert. 693 01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,600 He gives interviews and comments on cases. He's a consultant. 694 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,160 He works on screenplays for Czech TV for criminal cases 695 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:07,600 so he's enjoying his retirement as a crime scene celebrity. We all know it. 696 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:13,880 I've heard about this case, concerning the death of Aneta Rodová. 697 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,080 This has been examined for a long time. 698 01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:22,760 The murder can look like a suicide. 699 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,320 But also suicide can look like murder. 700 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,200 But concerning this case, 701 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,840 I think the decision was correct 702 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:39,560 because there are certain things that are connected to suicide. 703 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,960 This is the kitchen table where the three of them sat that night until morning. 704 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:49,760 They were chatting, drinking water. Ahmad and Kateřina took cocaine here. 705 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,600 There were blood stains here. A shoe print of blood here. 706 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:57,320 There was blood even here probably from his hand 707 01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:03,560 -because the blood was even here. -Or it could be when she slit her wrists. 708 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:08,040 Let's say that she cut herself, 709 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:15,120 so it could be from that and then on the balcony she saw that nothing is happening. 710 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,680 Blood is flowing but not as she'd imagined, 711 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,320 so she came back into the room. 712 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,800 In case the death wasn't voluntary 713 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,480 and Ahmad had a part to play in it, 714 01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,960 she would've defended herself. When it's life or death, you make every effort. 715 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:18,000 There's adrenaline. You have a lot more strength. 716 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:23,160 The glasses on the table would've either fallen 717 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,920 or be turned over. 718 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,920 Yes, turned over chairs. It would look different. 719 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,760 How would a murder look is another question, but there would be a circus, 720 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,080 one person wouldn't have been able to just kill her. 721 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:52,280 NO INJURIES SHOWED SIGNS OF SELF DEFENSE 722 01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,360 I'll ask one more thing. Here we have photos of Ahmad. 723 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:23,400 He was wearing a t-shirt and barefoot. Isn't it strange that both feet are clean. 724 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,680 When we see here there was a battle, clearly blood was spread around. 725 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:34,680 In theory there should be blood on his feet from stepping in it, 726 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:40,200 but maybe he wiped his feet somewhere. He must have also wiped his hand. 727 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:47,200 They can't just stay there in the flat, standing, sitting and bleeding, you know. 728 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,000 So the amount of blood on the scene seems normal. 729 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:56,360 You can assume that she was bleeding internally, 730 01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,120 into her chest cavity. 731 01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,720 That also happens 732 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:07,560 but you see that there was quite a bit of blood there. 733 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,800 The police didn't have the power to choose. 734 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:18,600 Based on how it looked, it couldn't have been murder. 735 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:30,080 I always have the rule when you have a questioning. 736 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:35,480 From the questioning you always have to cut out the beginning and end 737 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:40,240 and take just the conflict because that's always different. 738 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:45,600 In such emotional cases when someone says something 739 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,960 and now quickly describes it, 740 01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:52,120 sometimes they don't remember and now they're just making it up. 741 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:56,520 What's important, I don't know if you have it, but probably, 742 01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:01,240 -is the recording of the emergency call. -Yea, but he's not on the recording. 743 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:06,440 And on the other hand she acts like someone who has just come onto the scene. 744 01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,640 It's obvious that she didn't know what had happened. That's what I think. 745 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,760 Because when they ask if she was stabbed, she can't see the stab wounds. 746 01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:18,520 In the re-enactment that the police did due to the mother's pressuring, 747 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,840 she acts as if she'd seen everything. He was holding her like this. 748 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:27,399 She even came after him, so she might have wanted to help him under pressure. 749 01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,520 It could be him so she could be influenced by that. 750 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,439 Of course the case has been in the media, 751 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,080 but you say they have to agree in the conflict. 752 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,000 I don't think he's the culprit. 753 01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,800 It's hard to say. 754 01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,880 -She didn't stab herself, did she? -I don't know. 755 01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:57,399 Murder, suicide, suspicious death. 756 01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,800 In all cases it's necessary to treat it as if it were a murder. 757 01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:08,880 And the police officer who arrives at the scene must make the decision. 758 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,479 He must be experienced enough, 759 01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,920 to know that this is beyond his capabilities 760 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,880 and that he must call up a specialist. 761 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,880 In this case, the Crime Scene Unit. 762 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,520 Of course, throughout the whole time, everything needs to be secured. 763 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,359 Nobody apart from the specialists should be allowed to enter the apartment, 764 01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,399 not until they say they're done with the scene of the crime. 765 01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:39,279 Then, the investigator from the First Homicide Division can look around. 766 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,800 Do you think there's a real chance it'll open back up? 767 01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:49,840 In my view, there is a chance, but it's not up to the lawyer. 768 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,400 The lawyer is the instrument but what's going to open it up, that's key. 769 01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:57,080 It's the expert reports and it's the biomechanic one. 770 01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:01,360 That is what's disputed against the topic of the autopsy reports, 771 01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:03,440 against how the autopsy was conducted, 772 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,880 meaning really building the apartment or kitchen in the dimensions it was. 773 01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:12,560 To try to tell someone it really played out as they described in those versions. 774 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,280 Let's play it out how they did at the re-enactment and do it in full force. 775 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,720 Let's not do it that a fist flies like this… 776 01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,400 The fact is that you are one of a few people who were in the apartment 777 01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:27,240 so basically you can say what you think about it. 778 01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:32,520 Let's move on. Let's do the first step. Shall we go inside? Let's do it. 779 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,360 The hallway. 780 01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,960 -Does anything come back when you… -Yes, a little. 781 01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,200 It's giving me goosebumps. 782 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,640 -Hello. -Hello. 783 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,960 -I'm Anežka Matušínská. -I'll introduce myself too. 784 01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,280 -Okay, don't take it personally. -I understand. 785 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,160 -Sorry. -Sure. 786 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,200 -I guess you understand who plays who. -I do. 787 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,320 The concentration of cocaine was so low 788 01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:40,000 that it couldn't induce psychosis immediately. 789 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,840 She didn't have signs of being clean 790 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:49,000 because she'd taken a bit of cocaine in the COCO Bar. 791 01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:55,880 So I can't explain what happened from a toxicological perspective. 792 01:12:55,960 --> 01:13:02,800 A toxicologist can't say if someone committed suicide due to narcotics, 793 01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,280 even less with a knife. I can't do this. 794 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:13,680 I'm saying that I can't come to a conclusion. 795 01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,720 The task of a specialist is to say 796 01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,880 yes or no or it's inconclusive. 797 01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:27,040 From WhatsApp chats the Czech Police presented me, 798 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,080 it seems Ahmad is a real coke addict. 799 01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,800 He's receiving psychotherapy for his hot temper. 800 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,840 How could he play a role in this story as a legitimate witness 801 01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,840 with his mental state? 802 01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:47,320 In all media outlets, it's presented that he has problems with drugs, 803 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,280 with mental issues. 804 01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:55,840 We don't know what he had in his blood at the time. 805 01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,760 If the investigation hadn't ended, 806 01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,000 we wouldn't be able with certainty to close it. 807 01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,160 There will always exist some doubts. 808 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,640 Can we rule out toxic psychosis with certainty? 809 01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,880 I don't mean ruling out suicide but under the influence of toxic psychosis. 810 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,480 There's a question for both. 811 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:50,360 It stands out to me that in this case the police really made mistakes 812 01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:52,920 they could not fix. 813 01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:57,120 It was like catching a cat by its tail. And the cat got away. 814 01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:03,520 Ahmad was under a lot of pressure because his wife found out about his affair 815 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,200 and he was under pressure from Kateřina. 816 01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:12,400 That night he was at dinner with a mafia boss friend 817 01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:14,640 and they were fighting because of the wife. 818 01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:19,120 He then went to the COCO bar and treated his aggression. That's in the records. 819 01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:23,320 HE'D OFTEN BLOW UP IN RAGE IN SECONDS 820 01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,120 So we know about him and the same about Kateřina. 821 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:34,040 She's an asshole and that's from questioning friends about her behavior. 822 01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:38,200 In the news report from Josef Klima was the testimony that Ahmad 823 01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,760 could be a police informant. 824 01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,480 Do you think this could be possible? 825 01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,960 Look, you can't rule it out. 826 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,200 The question is what is a police informant. 827 01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:56,040 During the period of deep totalitarianism, yes, 828 01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:02,000 but today you're looking at a current informant. 829 01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:06,840 That means I'll take a picture of Ahmad 830 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:12,800 and go to the COCO bar and if they don't kill you at once, 831 01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:18,120 maybe someone will say, "Ahmad deals drugs here." 832 01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:19,920 I don't know. 833 01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:24,480 At the time I regarded him as a very influential and rich person. 834 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:28,960 Where did he get his money from? The police never found out these facts. 835 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:34,600 They didn't look into his past in Lebanon so we don't know if he killed anyone. 836 01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,040 We just don't know anything about it. 837 01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:41,880 The family is convinced that it was a murder. 838 01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,120 And nobody will prove to them otherwise. 839 01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:49,000 The police will claim that it actually wasn't murder. 840 01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,920 And nobody will prove to them otherwise. 841 01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,520 But there's still this dead young girl. 842 01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:58,760 And maybe there's even someone here guilty of murder. 843 01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:03,840 If you were 100% convinced that it was suicide as the police describe, 844 01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,920 would you say it to the mother's face? 845 01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,280 We've got our actors Aneta, Ahmad and Kateřina. 846 01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:32,040 We have experts on biomechanics and pathology. 847 01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:38,720 In the kitchen is only Aneta. Ahmad and Kateřina go to the bedroom. 848 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,640 I'll ask you to take out the knife. 849 01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,600 She knew where the knife is because she's been in the flat before. 850 01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:51,160 She takes it into her hand and I'll ask Ahmad who is coming back 851 01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,880 from the bedroom to the kitchen for a glass of water 852 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,360 to come into the situation where Aneta is already stabbing herself 853 01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:01,840 with her right hand to the left part of her chest. 854 01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:07,560 He screams "No!" and starts grabbing for the knife. 855 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,840 She is still stabbing herself and he is trying to take the knife. 856 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:20,000 At that moment she stabs him in the hand and she continues stabbing herself. 857 01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:45,400 One version is that Ahmad reaches for the knife and attacks Aneta 858 01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:49,680 who is sitting and completely unaware. That means you take the kitchen knife, 859 01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:55,080 go over to her from behind and will try to stab her in the left part. Into the heart. 860 01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,720 Try to catch her so she can't defend herself. You defend yourself. 861 01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,080 Just like that. 862 01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:52,640 How would it look if one person, let's say Kateřina, was holding Aneta. 863 01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:58,960 Holding her hands, so she can't defend herself. Just catch her hands. Like that. 864 01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:07,120 He was holding her and laid her on the ground so she didn't fall. 865 01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:25,400 When someone's wrist is cut, can they hold a knife in their hand 866 01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:28,080 and stab themselves with such brutal strength 867 01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,000 to get the knife through the rib cage? 868 01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:50,960 When did she slit her wrists? When she was fighting with him or when they went to bed 869 01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:55,320 because he actually says that he returned after a minute. 870 01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:59,800 He just entered the bedroom and went right back. 871 01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:02,840 So my daughter was there alone half a minute. 872 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,960 I don't know which of the wounds were post-mortem and which weren't. 873 01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,880 Nobody can answer that. 874 01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:28,720 I don't know if the first blow was fatal or the others. 875 01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,160 Is it possible that they could live two more hours? 876 01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,400 I could definitely explain how it would be 877 01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:58,240 if a third person attacked so that Miss Rodová couldn't defend herself. 878 01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:19,560 I could easily believe one of the three fatal wounds was one of the first wounds 879 01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,760 which the attacker clearly didn't have to know. 880 01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:27,960 Then we can discuss why the other ones are shallow, the ones after the fatal ones. 881 01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,920 If someone wants to hide the traces. I just don't know. 882 01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:38,960 They write the wounds were surface and not bleeding and when I look at the blouse, 883 01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,440 I don't understand it. 884 01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,320 Why weren't blood samples taken? 885 01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,720 The conclusion of the experts is 886 01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:10,200 that with respect to biomechanics and pathology, 887 01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,800 there's the chance that my daughter could've done it herself. 888 01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:19,880 With respect to psychology and toxicology, toxic psychosis can clearly be ruled out. 889 01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,120 My daughter was extremely fit. 890 01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:28,680 That's why we were all so shocked about what may have played out there. 891 01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:33,680 But all experts agree it was bad police procedure. 892 01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,360 And thanks to that we actually don't know what happened. 893 01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,400 Mistakes are made. We're only human of course. 894 01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:43,960 We're only human. 895 01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:47,640 But it's about making the smallest mistakes. Not ones like these. 896 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,040 Not in these fundamental issues. 897 01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,520 And in my opinion, here there were mistakes made in fundamental issues. 898 01:26:55,600 --> 01:27:01,160 Most importantly, the one working on this didn't know what he was doing. 899 01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,040 You all made an error. 900 01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:10,600 You didn't do your job and now we aren't able to find out the truth. 901 01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:15,240 But I just don't understand how all of this here could have happened. 902 01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,880 Police don't usually apologize. 903 01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,880 But in my opinion, 904 01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:39,520 these mistakes were made by the police. 905 01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:51,040 My name is Miroslav Krutina. I'm a lawyer. 906 01:27:54,040 --> 01:28:00,120 If I could react to the new expert reports done by the international experts, 907 01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:04,120 the psychological report introduces a discrepancy 908 01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:09,360 and suggests that Aneta's intoxication 909 01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:13,600 is very unlikely to be the cause of her death. 910 01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,200 What we're making is a tool not to forget. 911 01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:23,520 And if a whole group of people don't agree with how it ended up, 912 01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,800 we need the media to show that 913 01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,720 there can be mistakes, either on purpose or genuine error. 914 01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:34,120 It enables people to think about it 915 01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,960 and it can happen that more new information appears 916 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:41,760 based on any media coverage and any sources of information 917 01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,760 that lead to Mrs Rodová one day getting her answer. 918 01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,880 I think that he had the psychosis. 919 01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:52,280 Is he influential? Yes? 920 01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:57,640 But nobody knows what he did in Lebanon. And now he's escaped back. 921 01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,040 He's there now and we have no way to extradite 922 01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,520 and he's convicted for a criminal act for five years. 923 01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:12,080 I don't know a mother who would come to terms with her child dying. 924 01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:18,040 The fact that my child decided or got into a situation 925 01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,640 that took their life or caused them to die… 926 01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,840 It's that we believe our children and protect them. 927 01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:30,080 But when you look objectively at the circumstances, 928 01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:36,280 we know the mother could've had a misrepresented view of her daughter. 929 01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:39,240 That's for sure. 930 01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:46,240 The person you are calling is not available. Please try again later. 931 01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:55,240 Jakub was my daughter's boyfriend with whom she was in the Dominican Republic. 932 01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,720 Why doesn't anyone want to talk about Aneta? 933 01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:04,600 Why have none of her friends come despite us contacting them five times? 934 01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,640 We contacted Aneta's father and he met with us. 935 01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,240 We told him about the film and he didn't say a single word. 936 01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,560 Why does nobody from the police want to talk? 937 01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:18,680 Nobody wants to speak about Aneta. 938 01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:21,400 Only the mother. 939 01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:26,720 We had a meeting arranged with Aneta's ex-boyfriend, Jakub. 940 01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:31,480 We talked on the phone an hour before, and then he didn't show up. 941 01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:37,160 Then he changed his phone number and disappeared from the face of the Earth. 942 01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:40,680 He disappeared from the Trade and Commercial Registers. 943 01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:44,040 We visited three addresses he should live at. 944 01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:45,240 Nobody anywhere. 945 01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:52,000 I don't know why. Are they afraid? Are they afraid of the police? 946 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:56,480 Are they afraid Aneta did kill herself and they don't want to torment the mother? 947 01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,840 Are they afraid someone killed her and are therefore afraid of the mafia? 948 01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,160 I don't know. 949 01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:05,400 But the one thing I do know is 950 01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:09,600 that nobody wants to come and talk in front of the camera. 951 01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:35,360 It's December 24, 2023. 952 01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:43,040 Here in this green house Ahmad just entered… to exercise. 953 01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:49,640 I met him here in a shop because he called out from behind if I'm checking out 954 01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,600 and I turned around and looked him right in the face. 955 01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:57,040 So now we're trying to figure out what to do. 956 01:32:00,440 --> 01:32:02,240 There he is. Ahmad! 957 01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,080 Hello. Are you Ahmad? 958 01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:22,520 -Why are you asking? -I remember you from one case. 959 01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:24,600 -Excuse me? -We are filmmakers. 960 01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:26,240 -Who are you? -We are filmmakers. 961 01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,200 -Filmmakers, making films. -Yes. 962 01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:30,320 Okay, so what? 963 01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,160 We are filming this one case. Do you think you'd have coffee with us? 964 01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,920 -No. -Only coffee. We sit, that's all. 965 01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,120 Trust us. This is the best thing that could happen. 966 01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:47,160 We're filmmakers. There's a film about Aneta Rodová. 967 01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:50,520 It was probably clear to you when we said we were filmmakers, right? 968 01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,480 I've tried to clear this from my head. 969 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:58,960 It's haunted me what she did. 970 01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:04,080 One girl took her life. She died in front of my eyes. 971 01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,240 Suicide right in front of me. 972 01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:13,880 It haunts me when I remember and think about it. 973 01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:17,640 Then I went away. 974 01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:21,040 This has haunted my children. 975 01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,400 It's completely destroyed my life. 976 01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:30,440 The police investigated this three times. 977 01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:36,280 -Why do you think she died? -I don't know. 978 01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,120 I don't know. 979 01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,480 -And you're not in contact with Kateřina? -No. 980 01:33:43,480 --> 01:33:47,720 I've been away five years. In Lebanon for… 981 01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:53,600 My mother was sick and then COVID. Then I came back. 982 01:33:54,440 --> 01:33:56,560 I have kids here. 983 01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:05,560 Whatever you will do or say, you'll make it against me. I'm that foreigner! 984 01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:12,560 If I were doing it against you and I didn't have a single piece of evidence… 985 01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,640 How would I justify it? 986 01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:21,040 -Okay. -Just think about it. 987 01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:25,200 I'd be real glad if we could talk. 988 01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:29,200 Okay. I will think this through. 989 01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,000 Is it possible to get a contact number? 990 01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:39,640 Not right now, but if I will contact you, you will have it. 991 01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,800 -Thank you. -I'll let you know. 992 01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:49,520 What is there to say? We couldn't do more than we did. 993 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:54,480 For me, I think that someone wanted this. Let everyone think what they want. 994 01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:57,720 That's probably all I can say. 995 01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:11,000 The statute of limitations is another ten years, 996 01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:12,840 so I have ten years to do it myself. 997 01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:16,600 The police aren't doing anything and won't. 998 01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,160 They investigated, so I have ten years. 999 01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:22,760 Her life can't be returned. 1000 01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,880 I'd like to know the truth. 1001 01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:28,640 It would be easier for me. 1002 01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,000 The life can't be returned either way. 1003 01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,120 Nothing to do about that. 1004 01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,840 But I could live better. 1005 01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:40,560 In peace. 1006 01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:52,240 To look at the grave of your own child is absolutely the worst thing ever. 1007 01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:56,520 I do always think about what happened, 1008 01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:59,800 nine years thinking up why it happened. 1009 01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:03,160 I love my daughter. My only daughter. 1010 01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,760 And to live with this is really hard. 1011 01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:10,560 Like fucking hard. 1012 01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:41,360 AHMAD AND KATEŘINA WERE CONTACTED. 1013 01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:48,440 THEY DECIDED NOT TO TAKE PART IN THE FILM. 1014 01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:04,040 SUICIDE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF TOXIC PSYCHOSIS. 1015 01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:12,760 CURRENT INFORMATION ABOUT THE CASE CAN BE FOUND ON THE WEBSITE 1016 01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,080 So let's open the case back up… 1017 01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:59,960 Subtitle translation by: Zach Barnes 87714

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