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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,166 Yes, they only make about four decent suits for women that 2 00:00:07,333 --> 00:00:09,100 don't make you look like Hillary Rodham Clinton, 3 00:00:09,100 --> 00:00:12,066 and I've got them all, so now I'm onto dresses. 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,567 [crew speaking] 5 00:00:15,567 --> 00:00:16,767 [crew 2] Walking out. 6 00:00:16,934 --> 00:00:18,400 [clapboard clicks] 7 00:00:24,567 --> 00:00:26,367 I did not drive my car into John. 8 00:00:26,533 --> 00:00:27,767 Didn't reverse it. 9 00:00:29,867 --> 00:00:31,767 Did not hit John with my car. 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,100 There is zero chance this was an accident. 11 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:40,700 There was zero chance John was hit by a vehicle. 12 00:00:45,867 --> 00:00:48,467 No, I just, no, I'm not tired of it. 13 00:00:48,467 --> 00:00:50,300 I hate answering it because 14 00:00:50,467 --> 00:00:52,266 I feel like I'm being so scrutinized, like, 15 00:00:52,266 --> 00:00:54,166 did she blink three times or twice? 16 00:00:54,166 --> 00:00:55,967 And did she like smirk or look to the right 17 00:00:56,133 --> 00:00:57,500 or down and up and left and whatever. 18 00:00:57,667 --> 00:01:01,667 And, like, it just feels so fake, even though it's true. 19 00:01:01,667 --> 00:01:04,367 I'd rather like, explain everything else. 20 00:01:04,367 --> 00:01:06,367 And I did not hit John with my car. 21 00:01:06,367 --> 00:01:09,900 Like, I can't make it sincere enough. 22 00:01:10,066 --> 00:01:11,667 I hate saying it. 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,166 [reporter 1] Karen Read is accused of hitting her boyfriend, 24 00:01:21,333 --> 00:01:23,767 a Boston police officer, with a car and leaving him 25 00:01:23,767 --> 00:01:25,100 to die in the snow. 26 00:01:25,266 --> 00:01:26,667 Was this an accident? 27 00:01:26,834 --> 00:01:29,567 What do they have against me? Why am I in shackles right now? 28 00:01:29,734 --> 00:01:33,467 And then everything shifted from horrible accident 29 00:01:33,634 --> 00:01:35,266 to second-degree murder. 30 00:01:35,266 --> 00:01:38,667 [Ted] For law enforcement, this is one of their own, 31 00:01:38,834 --> 00:01:40,667 and that raises the stakes. 32 00:01:40,667 --> 00:01:43,767 I hit him, I hit him, I hit him. 33 00:01:43,767 --> 00:01:46,700 Prosecutors have alleged she was angry, 34 00:01:46,867 --> 00:01:49,166 she had been drinking, she killed him, 35 00:01:49,166 --> 00:01:51,266 and then she tried to cover it up. 36 00:01:51,266 --> 00:01:53,066 -[Adam] Objection. -[Judge Cannone] I'll let him have that. 37 00:01:53,233 --> 00:01:55,066 There's a whole other side of the story. 38 00:01:55,233 --> 00:01:57,100 Karen Read was framed. 39 00:01:57,100 --> 00:02:01,000 There is corruption in this city. 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,166 [Ted] Phones being destroyed, 41 00:02:03,166 --> 00:02:05,600 butt dials at two in the morning. 42 00:02:05,767 --> 00:02:09,166 The most shocking part is that not a single witness 43 00:02:09,333 --> 00:02:11,266 actually saw this happen. 44 00:02:11,266 --> 00:02:14,266 I am a witness, and these people are 45 00:02:14,266 --> 00:02:15,467 terrorizing me. 46 00:02:15,467 --> 00:02:18,367 [Michael] She's a babe, no ass, no nudes so far. 47 00:02:18,367 --> 00:02:20,867 [Alan] "No nudes so far." 48 00:02:20,867 --> 00:02:23,767 Wow, are you kidding me, dude? 49 00:02:23,767 --> 00:02:26,500 There were gasps, there was headshaking. 50 00:02:26,667 --> 00:02:29,200 All eyes are on this now. People are following it. 51 00:02:29,367 --> 00:02:31,867 -[horns beeping] -[protesters cheering] 52 00:02:32,033 --> 00:02:34,066 In all my years of practice, this is the first time 53 00:02:34,233 --> 00:02:36,700 I've ever shown up to a court hearing where there are people 54 00:02:36,867 --> 00:02:38,166 cheering for a defendant. 55 00:02:38,166 --> 00:02:40,367 [protesters cheering] 56 00:02:40,533 --> 00:02:44,600 This is not about justice. This is about spectacle. 57 00:02:44,767 --> 00:02:47,066 A quite literal murder carnival. 58 00:02:47,233 --> 00:02:49,900 It's as though she was the happiest murder defendant 59 00:02:50,066 --> 00:02:52,000 in America, walking a red carpet 60 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,700 on the way into her own murder trial. 61 00:02:53,867 --> 00:02:56,667 Are we not at a trial for a police officer? 62 00:02:56,834 --> 00:02:58,367 [Karen] Elle magazine wants to feature me. 63 00:02:58,533 --> 00:03:00,967 -Can I do it? -[Alan] Damn right, you should do it. 64 00:03:02,667 --> 00:03:04,700 [Alan] Karen Read is the face of this case... 65 00:03:04,867 --> 00:03:06,166 [protesters cheering] 66 00:03:06,166 --> 00:03:08,867 ...but this is so much bigger than her. 67 00:03:08,867 --> 00:03:12,367 [Alan] This so-called justice system here in Massachusetts... 68 00:03:12,533 --> 00:03:13,667 [protesters] Free Karen Read! 69 00:03:13,834 --> 00:03:16,867 ...will never, ever, ever be the same after this. 70 00:03:21,066 --> 00:03:23,900 [orchestral theme music playing] 71 00:03:30,767 --> 00:03:32,867 [theme music fades] 72 00:03:41,867 --> 00:03:45,100 My name is Karen Read. I'm 44 years old. 73 00:03:46,066 --> 00:03:48,967 I've never been married. I don't have any kids. 74 00:03:49,133 --> 00:03:51,367 I don't, like, envision myself having, 75 00:03:51,367 --> 00:03:55,500 like, the white picket fence bullshit, um. 76 00:03:55,667 --> 00:03:59,500 I've worked in a financial services company for decades. 77 00:03:59,667 --> 00:04:02,300 I was a lecturer at Bentley University. 78 00:04:03,567 --> 00:04:05,767 Now I'm being charged with murdering a Boston 79 00:04:05,767 --> 00:04:07,467 police officer. 80 00:04:07,634 --> 00:04:12,100 I could face life for second-degree, life in prison. 81 00:04:13,567 --> 00:04:15,467 So, as we approach trial, 82 00:04:15,634 --> 00:04:17,900 I'm moving to a hotel in Boston. 83 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:22,900 It's weird, like you're used to working all day and... 84 00:04:23,066 --> 00:04:25,367 having a life and a career and a routine, 85 00:04:25,533 --> 00:04:26,400 and then you don't have it, 86 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,166 and now you're fighting for your life. 87 00:04:30,166 --> 00:04:33,000 I still can't believe what's happening to me. 88 00:04:36,667 --> 00:04:38,266 [indistinct chatter] 89 00:04:38,433 --> 00:04:40,567 - Christ our Lord, amen. -[woman] Amen. 90 00:04:40,567 --> 00:04:42,867 [women] Very nice, Karen. 91 00:04:42,867 --> 00:04:45,667 [Karen] I've lived most of my life in Massachusetts. 92 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,300 I have a older brother and a younger sister, 93 00:04:50,467 --> 00:04:51,800 so I'm in the middle. 94 00:04:51,967 --> 00:04:52,967 [singing incoherently] 95 00:04:53,133 --> 00:04:54,767 [Karen] Definitely the most outgoing. 96 00:04:54,934 --> 00:04:57,100 [singing] 97 00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,400 [Karen] I've always been very reactionary, and I guess 98 00:05:00,567 --> 00:05:02,467 a little maybe impetuous. 99 00:05:02,634 --> 00:05:03,900 I'm private, but I'm open. 100 00:05:04,066 --> 00:05:07,266 So when I'm with people, I'll tell them anything. 101 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,767 [Karen, archive] Welcome back to Lifestyles of the Almost Rich and Famous. 102 00:05:15,767 --> 00:05:20,767 And I am your host, the lovely, the beautiful Karen Read. 103 00:05:20,934 --> 00:05:24,000 [Janet] When she was a young girl, she would do plays constantly 104 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,100 when we'd have like, if we had cookouts or the pool. 105 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:30,400 [Karen, archive] We're gonna watch Mom. Everything you do is grand. 106 00:05:30,567 --> 00:05:33,467 She was, always brought a lot of fun to -- yeah. 107 00:05:33,634 --> 00:05:36,266 She's got a great personality, she really does. 108 00:05:36,266 --> 00:05:38,367 [William, archive] Thereโ€™s my darling daughter. 109 00:05:38,533 --> 00:05:41,667 [William] I was Dean of Business at Bentley University. 110 00:05:41,667 --> 00:05:47,066 I did that up until the time this event transpired. 111 00:05:50,867 --> 00:05:54,667 My father loved his job so much and there's an old phrase, 112 00:05:54,834 --> 00:05:56,867 "You love your job you never work a day in your life," 113 00:05:56,867 --> 00:06:00,166 and that's my dad and, I mean, my dad's gonna be 76. 114 00:06:00,166 --> 00:06:03,767 I've just turned 44 and I need my dad more than ever. 115 00:06:08,467 --> 00:06:11,867 John died two years, two months ago, 116 00:06:12,033 --> 00:06:16,000 and we dated maybe just shy of two years. 117 00:06:16,166 --> 00:06:17,900 OK, first thing you need is the graham crackers. 118 00:06:18,066 --> 00:06:20,467 Reach into the bag, reach into the bag, and you pull out 119 00:06:20,467 --> 00:06:21,867 a set of graham crackers. 120 00:06:22,033 --> 00:06:24,967 OK, also inside the bag, if you look, there is some 121 00:06:25,133 --> 00:06:26,367 chocolate bars. 122 00:06:26,367 --> 00:06:29,467 Johnny and I grew up together on the same street. 123 00:06:29,634 --> 00:06:32,166 We met when we were four. 124 00:06:32,166 --> 00:06:34,000 I went to the same nursery school, 125 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,667 and we went to school, elementary, junior high, 126 00:06:37,667 --> 00:06:39,100 high school, all the way through. 127 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:42,367 Stayed close friends during college, stayed close friends 128 00:06:42,533 --> 00:06:45,100 when I was moving around the country for my -- my job. 129 00:06:45,100 --> 00:06:47,767 Uh, he would visit me wherever I lived, 130 00:06:47,767 --> 00:06:50,667 so I knew Johnny for over 40 years. 131 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,166 Johnny was from a family of five, his mom and dad, 132 00:06:54,166 --> 00:06:55,767 and then his older sister, Kristen, 133 00:06:55,934 --> 00:06:58,066 and he had a little brother, a younger brother, Paul. 134 00:07:00,567 --> 00:07:02,400 Anyone that knew Johnny would say the same things, 135 00:07:02,567 --> 00:07:05,867 Johnny was relentlessly generous. 136 00:07:05,867 --> 00:07:07,100 He was funny. 137 00:07:07,100 --> 00:07:09,066 I mean, all we ever did our entire lives growing up 138 00:07:09,233 --> 00:07:10,100 was laugh. 139 00:07:10,266 --> 00:07:11,467 He was loyal. 140 00:07:11,467 --> 00:07:13,166 He was very, very tight with his family, 141 00:07:13,333 --> 00:07:14,767 really protective of his family. 142 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,767 [Tara] Johnny and I started dating when I was around 25 years old. 143 00:07:19,934 --> 00:07:23,467 We had a big love that evolved into a friendship that lasted 144 00:07:23,467 --> 00:07:24,867 a really long time. 145 00:07:24,867 --> 00:07:27,667 He was just a really sweet, 146 00:07:28,867 --> 00:07:30,367 dependable, reliable, 147 00:07:31,367 --> 00:07:33,667 honest guy -- very loyal, 148 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:35,800 selfless. 149 00:07:38,266 --> 00:07:39,900 [John Jackson] I met Johnny in college. 150 00:07:40,066 --> 00:07:41,700 We went to Northeastern together. 151 00:07:41,867 --> 00:07:43,767 He was always gonna be a cop, and he went to school 152 00:07:43,767 --> 00:07:45,066 for criminal justice. 153 00:07:45,233 --> 00:07:47,367 His grandfather was a cop, and he just, it was always 154 00:07:47,367 --> 00:07:48,767 just, it was never a question. 155 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,266 From what I hear on the job, he was a great cop, you know. 156 00:07:53,433 --> 00:07:56,166 This is Johnny's badge number, 2490. 157 00:07:56,166 --> 00:07:59,166 His grandfather, also John O'Keefe, 158 00:07:59,333 --> 00:08:01,500 his badge number was 490. 159 00:08:01,667 --> 00:08:03,100 So when he became a police officer, 160 00:08:03,266 --> 00:08:04,767 he requested that badge number, 161 00:08:04,934 --> 00:08:06,367 but they had retired it. 162 00:08:06,533 --> 00:08:07,767 So he added a two. 163 00:08:07,934 --> 00:08:11,767 So, in honor of Johnny, we wear his badge number 164 00:08:11,934 --> 00:08:14,767 everywhere, his friends and his family, just to try to help 165 00:08:14,767 --> 00:08:16,100 keep his legacy alive. 166 00:08:20,266 --> 00:08:24,166 Nine years prior to John's death, Johnny's sister Kristen, 167 00:08:24,166 --> 00:08:26,100 we call her Kristy, 168 00:08:26,266 --> 00:08:29,000 Kristy was diagnosed with a brain tumor. 169 00:08:30,467 --> 00:08:34,200 She fought hard, but she -- she passed 170 00:08:34,367 --> 00:08:37,500 fairly quickly, I think it was five months, she was young. 171 00:08:38,867 --> 00:08:41,300 Johnny was devastated. They were very close. 172 00:08:42,500 --> 00:08:45,400 And then his brother-in-law died of a heart attack 173 00:08:45,567 --> 00:08:47,967 almost two months to the day that Christy died, 174 00:08:48,133 --> 00:08:49,367 like one day off, 175 00:08:49,367 --> 00:08:51,166 and they had two children. 176 00:08:52,266 --> 00:08:54,266 [Brendan] John, he entered a very difficult situation. 177 00:08:54,266 --> 00:08:56,166 He has this niece and nephew that just lost 178 00:08:56,333 --> 00:08:57,667 both of their parents. 179 00:08:57,834 --> 00:09:00,266 And he said, "I'm taking the kids." 180 00:09:00,433 --> 00:09:02,000 He said, "I think my sister would like it. 181 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,400 "I think she'd be proud of me. 182 00:09:03,567 --> 00:09:06,467 I'm super close to the kids anyway, and I want to do this." 183 00:09:06,634 --> 00:09:09,166 There was never a question for Johnny, it was never like, 184 00:09:09,333 --> 00:09:10,266 "Oh, should I or could I? 185 00:09:10,266 --> 00:09:11,600 I have all this other stuff I have to do." 186 00:09:11,767 --> 00:09:12,900 It was just -- just did it. 187 00:09:13,066 --> 00:09:15,567 He assumed that role rather seamlessly. 188 00:09:15,567 --> 00:09:18,266 They needed somebody to be there, and he was there, 189 00:09:18,433 --> 00:09:19,867 always there. 190 00:09:20,033 --> 00:09:21,767 He loved them with all of his heart. 191 00:09:21,767 --> 00:09:23,967 I think that's what guided all of his decisions. 192 00:09:24,133 --> 00:09:26,667 I think, I think he, you know, he -- if he had kids 193 00:09:26,834 --> 00:09:29,233 of his own, he would have been an unbelievable dad. 194 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:35,300 [Karen] I met John in February of 2004, 195 00:09:35,467 --> 00:09:37,567 through a friend of his from high school. 196 00:09:37,734 --> 00:09:40,867 And we maybe dated another couple of weeks after that. 197 00:09:41,033 --> 00:09:44,266 And then I went to work that spring in Ireland, 198 00:09:44,433 --> 00:09:46,467 just temporarily, but because of that I -- 199 00:09:47,667 --> 00:09:51,066 I stopped seeing him, and I just lost touch. 200 00:09:53,166 --> 00:09:57,166 Then, at the beginning of the pandemic, I'd been home 201 00:09:57,333 --> 00:10:01,567 working remote for about two weeks and was going stir-crazy. 202 00:10:01,734 --> 00:10:05,367 And I hadn't been on Facebook in years. 203 00:10:06,667 --> 00:10:08,166 [John Jackson] Johnny's a single dad, and, you know, 204 00:10:08,166 --> 00:10:10,700 everything's going in lockdown, so from what I understand, 205 00:10:10,867 --> 00:10:14,567 he put out a Facebook message to several ex-girlfriends, 206 00:10:14,734 --> 00:10:17,467 and she was the one to reply. 207 00:10:18,667 --> 00:10:20,767 [Karen] I didn't answer right away, because it was like a picture 208 00:10:20,934 --> 00:10:22,300 of him with a bunch of kids. 209 00:10:22,467 --> 00:10:24,166 I thought, oh, he looks like he's married and he's got 210 00:10:24,333 --> 00:10:27,100 kids, and then I ended up reaching back out to him, 211 00:10:27,266 --> 00:10:29,367 and then I learned the backstory of where these 212 00:10:29,533 --> 00:10:30,800 kids came from. 213 00:10:31,467 --> 00:10:35,300 I knew John for only two years, but I knew a lot about him. 214 00:10:35,467 --> 00:10:36,667 He loved life. 215 00:10:36,667 --> 00:10:38,200 There were things he liked to do. 216 00:10:38,367 --> 00:10:40,166 There were things that made him laugh and smile, 217 00:10:40,166 --> 00:10:44,467 and songs he liked, and Red Sox games he liked to tune into. 218 00:10:44,467 --> 00:10:48,867 And John loved his sister more than anyone or anything. 219 00:10:49,033 --> 00:10:50,567 And he loved those kids. 220 00:10:51,567 --> 00:10:54,000 I didn't really aspire 221 00:10:55,100 --> 00:10:56,900 to have kids, 222 00:10:57,066 --> 00:11:00,500 but I cared about John's kids. 223 00:11:00,667 --> 00:11:02,600 Prior to Johnny's death, 224 00:11:02,767 --> 00:11:05,567 everybody in Johnny's orbit liked Karen. 225 00:11:05,734 --> 00:11:07,200 There wasn't a single person that said, 226 00:11:07,367 --> 00:11:08,867 "You know, I don't think he should be dating her." 227 00:11:08,867 --> 00:11:10,867 Everything we could see 228 00:11:11,033 --> 00:11:13,166 looked like a happy relationship. 229 00:11:14,967 --> 00:11:17,667 But the key to that is that you don't know what happens 230 00:11:17,834 --> 00:11:18,800 behind closed doors. 231 00:11:20,467 --> 00:11:23,100 [Karen speaking, archived] 232 00:11:35,033 --> 00:11:37,667 This is my version of testifying. 233 00:11:37,834 --> 00:11:41,066 Doing this film is my -- my testimony. 234 00:11:41,233 --> 00:11:42,867 This has happened to me, 235 00:11:43,033 --> 00:11:46,967 and, you know, I -- I know what happened between John and me. 236 00:11:47,133 --> 00:11:49,166 I know what happened in our life 237 00:11:49,166 --> 00:11:52,467 and time spent together before then. 238 00:11:52,634 --> 00:11:54,100 I know the events of that morning. 239 00:11:54,266 --> 00:11:56,767 I know what I said. I know what I didn't say. 240 00:11:56,767 --> 00:12:01,000 And I haven't been able to -- to say it. 241 00:12:01,166 --> 00:12:03,300 It's incredibly frustrating. 242 00:12:03,467 --> 00:12:05,767 I want to say what happened 243 00:12:05,934 --> 00:12:07,967 exactly as it happened. 244 00:12:14,367 --> 00:12:19,200 John and I argued the morning of the 28th, Friday morning. 245 00:12:20,500 --> 00:12:22,667 Most of our arguments were about his kids, 246 00:12:22,667 --> 00:12:25,367 and that he thought I spoiled them. 247 00:12:27,734 --> 00:12:30,834 And I thought it was a real low blow of him to get on me 248 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,667 for that -- it pissed me off. 249 00:12:33,867 --> 00:12:36,567 And I said, "I -- I gotta get out of here for a minute." 250 00:12:36,734 --> 00:12:39,567 So I came down here to my house in Mansfield, 251 00:12:39,567 --> 00:12:42,467 sat in the other room, and I worked remote all day. 252 00:12:42,634 --> 00:12:45,600 [meteorologist] Forecasters anticipate Boston will experience one of 253 00:12:45,767 --> 00:12:48,266 the biggest single-day snow totals on record. 254 00:12:48,266 --> 00:12:51,667 [Karen] That day, everyone was getting ready for this massive blizzard, 255 00:12:51,667 --> 00:12:55,367 but I realized I didn't want to be shut in here with the snow. 256 00:12:55,367 --> 00:12:57,934 I'd rather be up there with John and the kids, 257 00:12:58,100 --> 00:12:59,567 and doing something fun. 258 00:12:59,734 --> 00:13:01,367 And we always had fun on the weekends. 259 00:13:01,367 --> 00:13:02,867 [phone ringing] 260 00:13:02,867 --> 00:13:07,000 And then, at about 6 p.m., either I called my father 261 00:13:07,166 --> 00:13:08,166 or he called me, and he said, 262 00:13:08,166 --> 00:13:09,767 "How was your day? What are you up to?" 263 00:13:09,767 --> 00:13:11,467 And I told him what happened, 264 00:13:11,634 --> 00:13:15,567 and I hated complaining about John to my parents 265 00:13:15,734 --> 00:13:17,400 because they liked him a lot. 266 00:13:17,567 --> 00:13:19,500 And my father just said gently to me, "Karen, why don't 267 00:13:19,667 --> 00:13:22,300 you stay home tonight? It's gonna snow." 268 00:13:23,934 --> 00:13:25,166 But I didn't. 269 00:13:26,567 --> 00:13:28,166 Dad, if I'd listened to you, 270 00:13:28,166 --> 00:13:29,867 none of this would have happened. 271 00:13:31,767 --> 00:13:34,100 I think I left here in Mansfield at 8:30, and I met 272 00:13:34,100 --> 00:13:37,266 John at a bar in Canton, C.F. McCarthy's, at 9:00. 273 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:41,467 And then we went to the Waterfall, 274 00:13:41,634 --> 00:13:43,166 right next door to McCarthy's. 275 00:13:43,166 --> 00:13:45,667 At the Waterfall, it was Jen and Matt McCabe. 276 00:13:45,834 --> 00:13:48,467 We saw Jen McCabe all the time. 277 00:13:48,634 --> 00:13:51,967 She coached John's niece's basketball team, so we saw 278 00:13:52,133 --> 00:13:53,100 her two or three times a week. 279 00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:55,967 And then Brian and Nicole Albert 280 00:13:56,133 --> 00:13:59,100 and Brian Higgins were there. 281 00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:04,100 The previous weekend, I had met the Alberts for the first time 282 00:14:04,100 --> 00:14:07,500 with the McCabes, and then it was getting late, 283 00:14:07,667 --> 00:14:11,300 and John said, "Jen just invited us to the Alberts'." 284 00:14:11,467 --> 00:14:15,300 And my attitude always when I was out and about with John 285 00:14:15,467 --> 00:14:17,767 was, you know, he's gotta blow off steam. 286 00:14:17,767 --> 00:14:20,166 It suits us all if John blows off a little steam, 287 00:14:20,333 --> 00:14:22,567 because he always has steam. 288 00:14:22,734 --> 00:14:24,834 Uh, so I said, "Sure, let's go. 289 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,667 This can't last forever, right?" 290 00:14:28,367 --> 00:14:30,934 Everybody was some level of intoxication. 291 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:33,934 That was what we did in Canton. Everybody drank. 292 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:36,300 They leave these bars, they're in their little 293 00:14:36,467 --> 00:14:40,100 enclaves where they can all go drunk driving on the way home, 294 00:14:40,266 --> 00:14:42,166 and nobody gets pulled over. 295 00:14:46,967 --> 00:14:51,100 So I'm driving, and John got on the phone with Jen, 296 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:53,467 and he's telling me it's 34 Fairview. 297 00:14:53,467 --> 00:14:56,300 And we arrive at 34 Fairview. 298 00:14:56,467 --> 00:15:01,367 It didn't look like there was any soiree going on. 299 00:15:01,533 --> 00:15:02,734 It didn't look inviting. 300 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:04,834 The outside was dark, 301 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,667 and I didn't see any familiar-looking vehicles. 302 00:15:07,667 --> 00:15:11,767 And I said, "John, can you make sure we're welcome?" 303 00:15:11,934 --> 00:15:13,567 He said, "I'll run in." 304 00:15:14,734 --> 00:15:17,867 So when John got out of the car at Brian Albert's house, 305 00:15:18,033 --> 00:15:20,200 he took my full vodka soda, 306 00:15:20,367 --> 00:15:23,200 which is sitting in the -- in the cup holder, 307 00:15:23,367 --> 00:15:25,000 and he walked up the driveway. 308 00:15:25,166 --> 00:15:27,667 And John always walked, kind of skipped and walked 309 00:15:27,834 --> 00:15:29,467 at the same time. He was always in a rush. 310 00:15:29,634 --> 00:15:33,166 And I saw him reach the breezeway door, 311 00:15:33,166 --> 00:15:37,100 which is the second, the side front door. 312 00:15:37,266 --> 00:15:40,000 And he opened the door and went to walk in. 313 00:15:40,166 --> 00:15:45,467 And I waited probably a minute and he doesn't come. 314 00:15:45,634 --> 00:15:48,734 And it only took like two or three minutes, that, 315 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:52,400 for -- for me to be irritated. So I started -- I called him. 316 00:15:52,567 --> 00:15:55,000 I didn't want to wait for him to respond to a text, 317 00:15:55,166 --> 00:15:56,467 and he didn't answer. 318 00:15:56,467 --> 00:15:58,734 I said, "You've gotta be [bleep] kidding me. 319 00:15:58,900 --> 00:16:00,400 "What are you doing? 320 00:16:00,567 --> 00:16:02,767 "You just went in and I'm sitting here. 321 00:16:02,767 --> 00:16:05,400 "Um, either we're welcome or we're not, but it shouldn't take 322 00:16:05,567 --> 00:16:08,266 you five minutes to -- to determine that." 323 00:16:09,667 --> 00:16:13,200 And then about 10 minutes went by, and I... 324 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,600 I left, and I was not happy. 325 00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:18,967 [Karen speaking, archived] 326 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,567 And little did I know, 327 00:16:27,734 --> 00:16:29,834 John was not getting my phone calls. 328 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,767 And then that was it. The last I ever talked to him 329 00:16:32,767 --> 00:16:35,567 was when he got out of my car at Brian Albert's house. 330 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,166 [reporter 2] Boston Police Officer John O'Keefe, a veteran with 331 00:16:41,166 --> 00:16:43,600 the department, was found face up in the snow 332 00:16:43,767 --> 00:16:46,934 on Saturday morning during the blizzard on Fairview Road 333 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:50,166 in Canton around 6 a.m. He later died... 334 00:16:50,333 --> 00:16:53,934 What happened that morning was on a local news program. 335 00:16:54,100 --> 00:17:00,266 And on the morning of, uh, January 29th, 2022, 336 00:17:00,266 --> 00:17:03,166 I got a call from, uh, another close friend saying that 337 00:17:03,333 --> 00:17:04,567 Johnny had died. 338 00:17:06,166 --> 00:17:08,166 [John Jackson] Johnny? Like, what? 339 00:17:08,333 --> 00:17:10,066 Not John. Like, John, well, how, how? 340 00:17:10,233 --> 00:17:11,567 Like... 341 00:17:11,567 --> 00:17:12,667 you know, he was -- 342 00:17:14,066 --> 00:17:15,467 uh, I'm stunned. 343 00:17:15,467 --> 00:17:17,467 Just stunned. Um, devastated. 344 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,300 [Tara] I was just in utter disbelief. 345 00:17:20,467 --> 00:17:22,767 I was screaming, like, 346 00:17:22,934 --> 00:17:25,734 "Please God, not John O'Keefe, not John." 347 00:17:25,900 --> 00:17:27,266 All I could think about was the children, 348 00:17:27,266 --> 00:17:30,300 and Paul, and Peg, and Papa. 349 00:17:32,767 --> 00:17:35,500 I still can barely believe it. 350 00:17:35,667 --> 00:17:37,834 They don't make people like that anymore, you know? 351 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,066 Sorry, I can't. 352 00:17:52,367 --> 00:17:54,467 My daughter is, uh, 353 00:17:54,634 --> 00:17:56,667 was one of Johnny's godchildren. 354 00:17:56,667 --> 00:17:59,400 And so my -- my oldest, I had to tell her. 355 00:17:59,567 --> 00:18:03,300 So that was rough. That was rough. 356 00:18:03,467 --> 00:18:05,266 We had no detail. 357 00:18:05,266 --> 00:18:08,166 At that point, I immediately called Johnny's brother, Paul, 358 00:18:08,166 --> 00:18:12,300 and Paul started to fill in some of the gaps. 359 00:18:12,467 --> 00:18:17,567 I think the very first explanation that I got was that 360 00:18:17,734 --> 00:18:19,400 Karen had hit John with her car. 361 00:18:19,567 --> 00:18:23,066 [John Jackson] When Brendan called me, we both went, "Wait, what? 362 00:18:24,033 --> 00:18:26,867 Did she do this? Did she do this?" 363 00:18:26,867 --> 00:18:31,200 He's like, "I don't know yet, but it looks that way." 364 00:18:31,367 --> 00:18:32,567 Everybody liked Karen, 365 00:18:33,867 --> 00:18:39,066 and everything changed on the morning of January 29th. 366 00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:44,367 [reporter 3] Karen Read left the courthouse after posting bail, 367 00:18:44,367 --> 00:18:46,000 charged with hitting her boyfriend, 368 00:18:46,166 --> 00:18:48,300 Boston Police Officer John O'Keefe, 369 00:18:48,467 --> 00:18:50,867 with her SUV early Saturday morning. 370 00:18:51,033 --> 00:18:55,500 Suddenly, John's death was on the six o'clock local news. 371 00:18:56,667 --> 00:18:59,100 [Jennifer] They had somebody saying that 372 00:18:59,266 --> 00:19:03,166 Karen Read hit John O'Keefe in her SUV. 373 00:19:03,333 --> 00:19:07,867 The wounds that he suffered were commensurate with what 374 00:19:07,867 --> 00:19:11,667 EMT said was being hit by a blunt object, the vehicle. 375 00:19:13,066 --> 00:19:15,500 Everything you're seeing there is presenting 376 00:19:15,667 --> 00:19:17,300 as a motor vehicle accident, 377 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:19,734 that she hit him, 378 00:19:20,867 --> 00:19:23,266 and left him to die in the snow. 379 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:31,567 Just three days after John died, they arrested me here, 380 00:19:31,734 --> 00:19:33,166 literally where I'm sitting right now. 381 00:19:33,166 --> 00:19:34,734 This is my dining room at my house. 382 00:19:34,900 --> 00:19:39,367 They had already seized my vehicle and my cell phone, 383 00:19:39,533 --> 00:19:41,000 so I knew I was a suspect. 384 00:19:41,166 --> 00:19:45,667 And I wasn't hearing about anybody else being a suspect, 385 00:19:45,667 --> 00:19:48,700 so I -- I knew they were coming for me. 386 00:19:51,166 --> 00:19:54,600 It was about 7:45 at night, I was on the phone, 387 00:19:54,767 --> 00:19:58,734 and I heard a bunch of car doors shut at the same time. 388 00:19:58,900 --> 00:20:00,000 And I looked out, 389 00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:02,367 and they brought about a dozen cops. 390 00:20:02,533 --> 00:20:03,867 It was like a SWAT team. 391 00:20:03,867 --> 00:20:06,066 I was being charged with vehicular manslaughter. 392 00:20:06,233 --> 00:20:08,767 My wife gets all the notifications on her phone 393 00:20:08,767 --> 00:20:12,734 for everything, and I heard her kind of gasp, 394 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:14,600 and I said, "What?" 395 00:20:14,767 --> 00:20:17,266 And she goes, "Your sister's been arrested." 396 00:20:17,266 --> 00:20:21,100 It felt so surreal to see your sister paraded in front of 397 00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:24,767 cameras in handcuffs and being made to look like 398 00:20:24,934 --> 00:20:26,300 the worst person on the planet. 399 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,567 [Karen] I remember it all perfectly. 400 00:20:29,567 --> 00:20:31,667 I remember being in jail, I remember the hearing, 401 00:20:31,667 --> 00:20:33,100 the cameras, my parents, 402 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:35,266 and I remember the statement of the case. 403 00:20:35,433 --> 00:20:36,934 I was just... 404 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:39,166 dying to know, "What do they have against me? 405 00:20:39,333 --> 00:20:41,166 Why am I in shackles right now?" 406 00:20:41,333 --> 00:20:43,834 I felt embarrassed 407 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,667 for the position I was in, and I wanted to get back to 408 00:20:48,667 --> 00:20:51,567 my home base and figure out what the hell was going on. 409 00:20:52,667 --> 00:20:55,266 [Tara] When I first heard an explanation about how 410 00:20:55,266 --> 00:21:00,066 Johnny died, it was that Karen Read was driving drunk. 411 00:21:00,066 --> 00:21:02,734 And she had hit John with her car, 412 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:05,667 and she was arrested. 413 00:21:05,667 --> 00:21:09,834 And I thought, "Well, that's a simple open-shut case." 414 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,166 I figured she was remorseful. 415 00:21:12,333 --> 00:21:13,367 I figured... 416 00:21:14,467 --> 00:21:16,567 she must be devastated at what she had done, 417 00:21:16,734 --> 00:21:18,467 like, she was just gonna fall on the sword, 418 00:21:18,634 --> 00:21:21,600 and it was not that complicated. 419 00:21:22,934 --> 00:21:26,467 I had no idea just how out of hand things were about to get, 420 00:21:26,467 --> 00:21:32,367 and still had no idea just how big things were gonna be. 421 00:21:38,133 --> 00:21:39,467 [siren wailing] 422 00:21:39,634 --> 00:21:43,433 When John was killed, David Yannetti is the first 423 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,166 and only call I made for local counsel. 424 00:21:46,333 --> 00:21:49,166 So he's been with me from the beginning. 425 00:21:49,333 --> 00:21:50,467 Then he went on TV. 426 00:21:50,467 --> 00:21:52,367 This is a defensible case. 427 00:21:52,367 --> 00:21:56,367 I will tell you that my client has no criminal intent. 428 00:21:56,367 --> 00:21:57,834 She loved this man. 429 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,767 I've had my own firm since 1999. 430 00:22:00,767 --> 00:22:04,166 Before that, I was an assistant district attorney, 431 00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:07,567 a prosecutor, and I spent the majority of my time there 432 00:22:08,634 --> 00:22:11,166 investigating and prosecuting homicides. 433 00:22:11,166 --> 00:22:17,066 When I heard that an officer was killed, I knew that there's 434 00:22:17,233 --> 00:22:20,333 a heightened sense of importance 435 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:22,033 that is given to those cases. 436 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,467 Even if prosecutors thought that they had a case that 437 00:22:25,467 --> 00:22:26,867 they couldn't prove, 438 00:22:27,033 --> 00:22:29,467 they were not gonna let this one go. 439 00:22:29,634 --> 00:22:35,333 It became clear that this was going to require a lot of work. 440 00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:38,166 So somebody else would have to be brought in. 441 00:22:38,166 --> 00:22:41,367 [Karen] So I called Harvard's Criminal Justice Institute, 442 00:22:41,533 --> 00:22:45,433 and a professor got on the call, and he said, 443 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,333 "You need to look into the Kevin Spacey case, 444 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:51,367 look into the attorneys, maybe you can get some help there." 445 00:22:51,367 --> 00:22:54,266 And long-story-longer, that's how I found Alan Jackson 446 00:22:54,266 --> 00:22:55,634 and Liza Little. 447 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,900 [airport PA] Good afternoon, customers. 448 00:22:56,900 --> 00:23:00,166 If you just arrived on flight 288 from Los Angeles, 449 00:23:00,166 --> 00:23:02,867 your bags are being offloaded on carousel number seven. 450 00:23:02,867 --> 00:23:05,133 Welcome to Boston. 451 00:23:07,567 --> 00:23:10,033 [Alan] Youโ€™re good? All right, letโ€™s do this. 452 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,867 My name is Alan Jackson. I'm an attorney in Los Angeles. 453 00:23:13,867 --> 00:23:17,333 I got an email, and, uh, the subject line of the email 454 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:21,333 was something along the lines of "murder of a Boston cop." 455 00:23:22,667 --> 00:23:27,567 I took one look at one of the autopsy photos of John O'Keefe, 456 00:23:27,567 --> 00:23:32,567 and I saw his arm, and I said, "Are you kidding me?" 457 00:23:32,567 --> 00:23:33,867 He was hit by a car?" 458 00:23:33,867 --> 00:23:36,367 And I actually remember Alan calling me into his office 459 00:23:36,367 --> 00:23:37,667 and saying, "Liza, you gotta read this. 460 00:23:37,834 --> 00:23:39,333 You'll like this case." 461 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:40,767 [Alan] Let's call Karen Read. 462 00:23:41,967 --> 00:23:45,033 The motions that we really need to put some effort into have 463 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,567 not been done yet. -[Karen] Mm-hmm. 464 00:23:46,567 --> 00:23:48,266 You know, police misconduct and, and -- 465 00:23:48,433 --> 00:23:51,266 [Liza] Alan and I have been working together for 466 00:23:51,266 --> 00:23:53,433 almost nine years now. 467 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,000 We've both worked on the Spacey case, 468 00:23:56,967 --> 00:23:59,934 and we've done several big murder trials in Los Angeles. 469 00:24:01,467 --> 00:24:03,133 [Alan] I do want to see the war room, though. 470 00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:04,333 Can you meet us down there? 471 00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:05,867 [Karen] Right. 472 00:24:10,367 --> 00:24:12,867 Nice, nice, nice, nice. This is perfect. 473 00:24:13,033 --> 00:24:14,967 Where are our boxes? Oh, shit. 474 00:24:15,133 --> 00:24:16,567 In this little corner. 475 00:24:16,734 --> 00:24:19,834 [Alan] Oh, my god. Um, Karen, do me a favor? 476 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,166 -[Karen] No. -And just unpack all this shit. 477 00:24:22,166 --> 00:24:24,333 -I knew you were gonna say that. -[laughing] 478 00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:26,567 That's why I said no. 479 00:24:26,567 --> 00:24:27,767 We're right on the cusp of the trial. 480 00:24:27,934 --> 00:24:29,867 Uh, it's gonna start in a couple weeks. 481 00:24:30,033 --> 00:24:31,867 Most of this is just for the courtroom, right? 482 00:24:32,033 --> 00:24:35,266 -[Liza] So there's three sets of witnesses -- -No, no, no, no. 483 00:24:35,433 --> 00:24:38,367 [Karen] I'm on trial for my life right now, but I'm not... 484 00:24:39,367 --> 00:24:44,433 afraid of whatever emotional or mental hurdles 485 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,467 I know I will be facing in the next two months. 486 00:24:47,467 --> 00:24:49,266 I know I'm innocent. 487 00:24:49,433 --> 00:24:50,567 [Alan] I like it. 488 00:24:50,734 --> 00:24:52,533 Um, welcome home. 489 00:24:54,266 --> 00:24:58,367 In this case, everybody has an opinion, and it's binary. 490 00:24:58,533 --> 00:25:01,367 Either you think that she did it, 491 00:25:01,533 --> 00:25:04,734 backed into her boyfriend with her SUV, 492 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:08,166 and there he lay, and tragically he passed away. 493 00:25:08,166 --> 00:25:11,667 Or you think, "Wait a minute, something doesn't sound right 494 00:25:11,834 --> 00:25:13,834 about that -- none of the evidence fits." 495 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,367 Evidence was missed, 496 00:25:16,367 --> 00:25:19,367 bizarrely missed, and then later found. 497 00:25:19,533 --> 00:25:24,333 There are two conflicting, contrasting theories, 498 00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:28,233 and the public doesn't have an answer yet. 499 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,266 So it's sort of a classic "whodunit." 500 00:25:34,233 --> 00:25:37,166 [Alan] We need to look deeper at what actually happened 501 00:25:37,166 --> 00:25:38,934 to John O'Keefe. 502 00:25:42,934 --> 00:25:46,233 [Karen] The day after this happened, the day after John was killed, 503 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,767 I was confused and bewildered. 504 00:25:49,934 --> 00:25:52,934 There was no memory of anything happening, 505 00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:55,166 but I had been drinking, and it was late. 506 00:25:55,166 --> 00:25:57,667 I never heard from him again, ever, 507 00:25:57,834 --> 00:25:59,367 um, obviously. 508 00:25:59,367 --> 00:26:02,467 So I thought, "Could I have run him over? 509 00:26:02,634 --> 00:26:05,233 Did he try to get me as I was leaving, and I didn't know it?" 510 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,834 I mean, I've always got the music blasting. 511 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,433 It's snowing. I got the wipers going, the heater blasting. 512 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,567 Did he come and hit the back of my car, and I... 513 00:26:12,567 --> 00:26:16,066 hit him in the knee, and he was drunk and passed out 514 00:26:16,233 --> 00:26:17,667 and asphyxiated or something? 515 00:26:17,834 --> 00:26:20,433 And then, when I hired David Yannetti, 516 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,433 I asked him those questions the night of January 29th. 517 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,100 Like, "David, what if, I don't know, what if I ran his 518 00:26:26,266 --> 00:26:28,467 "foot over or what if 519 00:26:28,467 --> 00:26:31,467 "I clipped him in the knee and he passed out 520 00:26:31,634 --> 00:26:33,033 "and, or went to 521 00:26:34,166 --> 00:26:36,667 care for himself and he threw up or passed out?" 522 00:26:36,667 --> 00:26:39,467 And David said, "Yeah, then you have some element of culpability." 523 00:26:39,467 --> 00:26:45,867 So that's how I thought about things for about three days. 524 00:26:46,033 --> 00:26:50,266 [David] I'm looking at a police report that says that she accidentally 525 00:26:50,266 --> 00:26:51,867 hit her boyfriend with a car. 526 00:26:52,033 --> 00:26:55,567 And based on what she said, my thoughts were, 527 00:26:55,567 --> 00:26:59,000 "This is a district court motor vehicle homicide case." 528 00:26:59,166 --> 00:27:00,500 Stakes are much lower, 529 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:03,266 but of course, the case became much more than that after that. 530 00:27:03,433 --> 00:27:05,533 [bagpipes playing] 531 00:27:07,767 --> 00:27:09,467 [reporter 4] Hundreds gathering to pay tribute to 532 00:27:09,634 --> 00:27:11,667 Boston Police Officer John O'Keefe. 533 00:27:11,667 --> 00:27:15,166 His wake held Sunday at St. Francis of Assisi Church 534 00:27:15,333 --> 00:27:16,700 in Braintree. 535 00:27:17,634 --> 00:27:21,967 [Tara] I remember it was a really raw day -- it was cold out. 536 00:27:22,133 --> 00:27:25,033 And the media was kind of swirling again everywhere, 537 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,166 and hundreds of people were waiting in line patiently. 538 00:27:30,033 --> 00:27:33,967 [Brendan] The pallbearers, we were situated on the inside of 539 00:27:34,133 --> 00:27:36,467 the front door of St. Francis Church, 540 00:27:36,467 --> 00:27:38,333 and we could hear a bagpipe. 541 00:27:39,834 --> 00:27:42,467 And we were instructed that the hearse had arrived. 542 00:27:42,634 --> 00:27:47,867 And when we opened the large church doors and saw, 543 00:27:47,867 --> 00:27:49,634 it wasn't one bagpipe, 544 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,433 it was 50 bagpipers 545 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,266 and hundreds of police in formation. 546 00:27:56,433 --> 00:27:58,233 [bagpipes playing] 547 00:27:59,533 --> 00:28:02,333 [Brendan] And there were a handful of local Boston news outlets 548 00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:03,734 covering the memorial. 549 00:28:04,934 --> 00:28:06,300 Support was overwhelming. 550 00:28:08,767 --> 00:28:10,467 It was surreal carrying his casket. 551 00:28:10,467 --> 00:28:13,433 Just to think that, you know, years earlier, 552 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,767 he was in my wedding party, and here was this 553 00:28:16,934 --> 00:28:19,166 friend of 40 years that 554 00:28:20,967 --> 00:28:23,367 was always there. 555 00:28:23,367 --> 00:28:24,867 He was just always there. 556 00:28:25,033 --> 00:28:26,567 He was part of my life. 557 00:28:28,767 --> 00:28:31,533 I was just trying to process how that... 558 00:28:34,033 --> 00:28:35,166 it just changed. 559 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,634 [Tara] Part of the highway was closed down. 560 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,934 Like, the city shut down for John O'Keefe's funeral. 561 00:28:45,467 --> 00:28:46,834 That's an honor, you know? 562 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,767 I remember being touched by that, being on the highway, 563 00:28:48,934 --> 00:28:51,667 and just the highway being cleared for him. 564 00:28:51,834 --> 00:28:53,433 And then... 565 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,734 people were lined up with their hands on their hearts, 566 00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:57,767 wearing blue ribbons. 567 00:28:57,767 --> 00:29:00,433 It was beautiful -- it was like his legacy had spread 568 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,667 far and wide already, 569 00:29:02,667 --> 00:29:04,834 even before this was sensationalized. 570 00:29:06,266 --> 00:29:10,567 I think he would have been very proud to have earned 571 00:29:10,567 --> 00:29:12,367 that kind of send-off. 572 00:29:17,166 --> 00:29:21,367 [Karen] As soon as I was arraigned publicly on February 2nd, 573 00:29:21,533 --> 00:29:24,567 they said there was a stay-away order 574 00:29:24,734 --> 00:29:27,233 between me and any member of his family. 575 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,834 So I -- I did not go to John's funeral 576 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,467 or any memorial for John. 577 00:29:32,467 --> 00:29:34,166 I've never been to his grave. 578 00:29:34,333 --> 00:29:37,734 I was really looking forward just to have this behind me. 579 00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:41,734 New developments tonight in the case of Karen Read. 580 00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:43,934 A Massachusetts woman accused in the death 581 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:46,567 of Boston Police Officer John O'Keefe. 582 00:29:46,734 --> 00:29:49,166 [Karen] I didn't think I was gonna get arrested again 583 00:29:49,166 --> 00:29:52,233 for John's death, but I was wrong. 584 00:29:53,433 --> 00:29:55,367 This nightmare was just beginning. 585 00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:07,333 After Karen Read was charged with manslaughter, 586 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:12,433 the prosecution took the case to a state grand jury 587 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,934 and presented second-degree murder, 588 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,066 and that returned an indictment. 589 00:30:18,233 --> 00:30:20,266 The grand jury said, "Yeah, there is enough evidence 590 00:30:20,433 --> 00:30:23,367 here for this case to -- to go to trial." 591 00:30:24,533 --> 00:30:29,166 [David] Involuntary manslaughter is an unintentional killing 592 00:30:29,333 --> 00:30:33,767 that's done as a result of acting recklessly, 593 00:30:33,934 --> 00:30:35,367 causing the death of another. 594 00:30:35,367 --> 00:30:37,533 Karen's charged with second-degree murder, 595 00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:40,333 which is essentially murder with malice of forethought. 596 00:30:41,567 --> 00:30:42,834 And I was floored. 597 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,166 You know, my first thought was, 598 00:30:45,333 --> 00:30:48,100 um, you know, what do they have? 599 00:30:49,166 --> 00:30:50,567 He's a Boston cop. 600 00:30:50,734 --> 00:30:52,734 I mean, that tells you all you need to know. 601 00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:54,266 The blue wall went up, 602 00:30:54,266 --> 00:30:57,266 and Karen Read's on the outside of that blue wall. 603 00:30:57,266 --> 00:30:58,667 She's the outsider. 604 00:30:58,667 --> 00:31:00,333 She's the patsy. 605 00:31:02,033 --> 00:31:04,967 [Karen] I heard the car doors again, and there they all are again. 606 00:31:05,133 --> 00:31:07,967 Not quite as theatrical as the first time I was arrested, 607 00:31:08,133 --> 00:31:10,467 but I saw the two lead detectives, 608 00:31:10,634 --> 00:31:12,266 Trooper Proctor and Trooper Bukhenik. 609 00:31:12,433 --> 00:31:14,266 At first, I thought they were here to ask me 610 00:31:14,266 --> 00:31:15,900 questions or something. 611 00:31:18,367 --> 00:31:20,767 When they went around back, I thought they were gonna 612 00:31:20,934 --> 00:31:23,967 hurt me, because I heard them say, "Let's do it around back." 613 00:31:24,133 --> 00:31:27,033 And so I'm shaking like a leaf. 614 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,467 I opened the door and I said, "What's going on?" 615 00:31:31,467 --> 00:31:33,133 And they said, "You're under arrest." 616 00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:35,133 I said, "For what?" 617 00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:36,834 And they said, "You've been indicted 618 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,467 on second-degree-murder charges, and you're under arrest." 619 00:31:39,467 --> 00:31:41,266 And they read me my rights. Again. 620 00:31:41,433 --> 00:31:43,767 And I backed away, 621 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,367 and Trooper Proctor came and grabbed me and tried to 622 00:31:47,367 --> 00:31:49,667 turn me and get my arm. 623 00:31:49,834 --> 00:31:52,734 And I kept trying to writhe away from him 624 00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:55,667 because I didn't understand why I was being arrested. 625 00:32:08,567 --> 00:32:11,767 [Karen] I was upcharged, so the charges got upgraded from 626 00:32:11,934 --> 00:32:14,000 vehicular manslaughter to second-degree murder, 627 00:32:14,166 --> 00:32:16,533 which means there's an element of intent 628 00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:19,467 that I knew what I was doing, it wasn't an accident. 629 00:32:21,734 --> 00:32:25,867 [David] Second-degree murder carries a life-in-prison sentence. 630 00:32:25,867 --> 00:32:27,867 You would be eligible for parole, 631 00:32:27,867 --> 00:32:30,066 but there's no guarantee that you'd make parole. 632 00:32:30,233 --> 00:32:31,333 It's a life sentence. 633 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:33,834 I mean, 10 years or life at this point 634 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,166 feels the same to me. 635 00:32:35,333 --> 00:32:37,967 I've spent two -- two nights, two days in prison, 636 00:32:38,133 --> 00:32:39,634 and it felt like an eternity. 637 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,066 So you could lock me up for six months, and I'd, 638 00:32:44,233 --> 00:32:47,533 at the -- at the outset, it would feel like a lifetime. 639 00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:51,433 I mean, I'm 44 years old, so... 640 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,133 20, 30, 40, uh... 641 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:56,266 it's the rest of my... 642 00:32:56,433 --> 00:32:57,734 productive life. 643 00:32:58,767 --> 00:33:00,433 There's an arrest warrant issued for you. 644 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,767 [Karen] I was cuffed by Proctor. 645 00:33:02,934 --> 00:33:07,867 I had on boxer shorts, no underpants, a tank top, 646 00:33:08,033 --> 00:33:10,333 and I had thrown a cardigan on it when I heard them out front, 647 00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:11,734 and I had on my slippers. 648 00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:12,867 We're gonna take care of it. 649 00:33:49,333 --> 00:33:51,133 I was taken in the cruiser, 650 00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:54,767 up to the barracks again, booked again. 651 00:33:59,166 --> 00:34:02,734 I knew I was gonna be paraded around again. 652 00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:03,967 It's scary. 653 00:34:04,133 --> 00:34:07,533 I'm in a completely vulnerable position here, 654 00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:09,767 so your -- your mind just races. 655 00:34:09,934 --> 00:34:13,100 They're about to lock you up, and they think 656 00:34:13,266 --> 00:34:14,767 you're a murderer. 657 00:34:14,767 --> 00:34:18,767 That -- that's when I realized this was for keeps. 658 00:34:18,767 --> 00:34:21,767 They wanted a pound of flesh for me. 659 00:34:47,066 --> 00:34:49,467 [Karen] The second night was much, much worse in jail 660 00:34:49,467 --> 00:34:51,333 than the first, 661 00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:55,367 because I started to think I wasn't going home again. 662 00:34:55,367 --> 00:34:58,233 So that night was one of the worst in my life. 663 00:35:10,166 --> 00:35:13,033 [David] The first time Karen was arrested, 664 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,533 I remember going back to my home office that afternoon 665 00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:21,133 and my paralegal told me that 666 00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:24,066 a guy named Mike had called the office and he has 667 00:35:24,233 --> 00:35:26,233 important information for me. 668 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,667 I called him back 669 00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:30,233 and I -- I have a memory of sitting at my desk 670 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,266 at home in my office. 671 00:35:32,433 --> 00:35:35,367 And, you know, he had a gravelly voice, 672 00:35:35,367 --> 00:35:39,867 and, you know, it was like a "holy smokes" moment 673 00:35:40,033 --> 00:35:42,834 because he said that 674 00:35:43,967 --> 00:35:49,033 perhaps someone else caused the death of John O'Keefe. 675 00:35:54,734 --> 00:35:57,567 Very early on in the case, it was just the fog of war, right. 676 00:35:57,734 --> 00:35:58,967 David didn't know what he was dealing with. 677 00:35:59,133 --> 00:36:00,166 He came -- comes in on this case, 678 00:36:00,166 --> 00:36:01,667 he had never met Karen before. 679 00:36:01,667 --> 00:36:04,667 She's accused of hitting this guy, a cop, with her car, 680 00:36:04,667 --> 00:36:08,066 and he ends up dying, and David is standing there 681 00:36:08,233 --> 00:36:10,100 with his hands out, going, "I -- I wonder what happened. 682 00:36:10,266 --> 00:36:11,900 I need some evidence. I don't have anything." 683 00:36:14,367 --> 00:36:17,166 But then he got a call at his office, 684 00:36:17,333 --> 00:36:18,734 and this person said 685 00:36:19,634 --> 00:36:22,834 in almost whispered tones, 686 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,433 "You need to look at the folks inside 34 Fairview." 687 00:36:28,266 --> 00:36:31,934 You need to look really hard at the homeowners. 688 00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:34,667 You need to look really hard at the occupants of the house. 689 00:36:36,367 --> 00:36:39,467 Something here is more than meets the eye. 690 00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:45,166 [David] We didn't have any inkling that there might have been somebody 691 00:36:45,166 --> 00:36:47,266 else out there who did it. 692 00:36:47,266 --> 00:36:50,567 So, you know, it -- it was a turning point. 693 00:36:52,166 --> 00:36:54,233 I called him into my office, 694 00:36:55,367 --> 00:36:58,533 and he came and sat with my investigator and me. 695 00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:01,567 And, you know, it didn't really 696 00:37:01,567 --> 00:37:04,467 go anywhere with him beyond that. 697 00:37:04,634 --> 00:37:08,133 It's not like he was a witness or that we could use him, 698 00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:13,133 but that tip was invaluable because it sent us 699 00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:19,000 in a different direction very early on in this investigation. 700 00:37:19,166 --> 00:37:23,634 Had that tipster never provided that information, I'm not sure 701 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,934 if we'd necessarily be here. 702 00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:30,567 Because initially, David was saying 703 00:37:30,567 --> 00:37:33,133 something to the effect of it was a bad accident 704 00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:35,934 and she's not criminally liable. 705 00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:37,734 But then, after this tipster, 706 00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:40,166 we start seeing the new defense, 707 00:37:40,166 --> 00:37:43,433 which is they're saying Karen Read's been framed. 708 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,667 [reporter 5] The defense says that Read did not hit O'Keefe, 709 00:37:45,834 --> 00:37:48,433 but that he was actually beaten inside of the home, 710 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,133 and that his body was later dumped outside. 711 00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:53,667 It feels we're the only ones fighting for the truth of what 712 00:37:53,667 --> 00:37:54,867 happened to John O'Keefe. 713 00:37:55,033 --> 00:37:56,767 [reporter] Karen, just to be clear, you didn't do it. 714 00:37:58,033 --> 00:38:00,266 We know who did it, Steve. We know. 715 00:38:00,266 --> 00:38:02,634 And we know who spearheaded this cover-up. 716 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,266 -You all know. -[man] Yes, we do. 717 00:38:04,433 --> 00:38:07,266 And no, she didn't do it. No, she didn't do it. 718 00:38:07,266 --> 00:38:09,000 This is an innocent woman. -[cheering] 719 00:38:09,166 --> 00:38:12,934 [Vinnie] The defense has an alternative story 720 00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:14,166 about what happened here. 721 00:38:14,333 --> 00:38:16,467 There's an alleged police cover-up here. 722 00:38:16,634 --> 00:38:19,834 John O'Keefe went inside that house, and the allegation 723 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,367 is that something happened in there. 724 00:38:21,367 --> 00:38:22,934 -Who do you think did it? -Well, certainly 725 00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:25,467 the Massachusetts State Police is involved. 726 00:38:25,467 --> 00:38:28,033 [Liza] There are people that were in that house that are involved. 727 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,467 Brian Albert is involved. Jennifer McCabe is involved. 728 00:38:31,467 --> 00:38:33,367 The rest of the folks that were in that house. 729 00:38:33,367 --> 00:38:37,000 There's some level of involvement by everyone on it. 730 00:38:37,166 --> 00:38:41,033 [Liza] The people in the house that night included Brian Albert, 731 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,567 the owner of the home, and Brian Higgins. 732 00:38:44,734 --> 00:38:47,734 Brian Albert is a Boston police officer. 733 00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:49,767 He's the head of the fugitive unit. 734 00:38:49,934 --> 00:38:54,667 Brian Higgins is a federal ATF agent and friends 735 00:38:54,834 --> 00:38:58,166 with the chief of police of the Canton Police Department. 736 00:38:58,333 --> 00:39:00,166 This all happened outside of the home 737 00:39:00,166 --> 00:39:01,967 of a Boston police officer. 738 00:39:02,133 --> 00:39:05,667 And so, for the first two years of this case, we knew something 739 00:39:05,667 --> 00:39:08,367 wasn't right, and we were fighting tooth and nail to try 740 00:39:08,367 --> 00:39:11,867 to get access to cell phone data, electronic information 741 00:39:11,867 --> 00:39:13,634 that we knew was the key to this case. 742 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,367 You can't prove a conspiracy 743 00:39:15,533 --> 00:39:18,000 by just asking tough questions of witnesses. 744 00:39:18,166 --> 00:39:20,100 You have to have the data to back that up. 745 00:39:20,266 --> 00:39:22,867 One of the things that we've tried extraordinarily 746 00:39:22,867 --> 00:39:24,233 hard in this case to do is to 747 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,567 uncover all of the electronic communications. 748 00:39:26,567 --> 00:39:28,266 How do you prove a conspiracy? 749 00:39:28,433 --> 00:39:30,033 You need to see people's phones. 750 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,867 We live in the 21st century. 751 00:39:32,033 --> 00:39:34,166 That's how conspiracies are conducted. 752 00:39:34,166 --> 00:39:37,634 And that's one of the things that Alan and I had actually 753 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,667 had previous success on in the Spacey case. 754 00:39:40,667 --> 00:39:43,166 [Alan] The prosecution did an extraction 755 00:39:43,166 --> 00:39:44,367 of Jen McCabe's phone. 756 00:39:44,367 --> 00:39:46,367 She was one of the women that was in the house that night. 757 00:39:46,533 --> 00:39:49,266 She was one of the people who had suggested that John 758 00:39:49,266 --> 00:39:51,533 come over to the house that night. 759 00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:55,467 So we hired a computer forensics expert to look 760 00:39:55,467 --> 00:39:57,266 through her extraction. 761 00:39:57,433 --> 00:39:59,867 And lo and behold, 762 00:40:01,533 --> 00:40:04,000 I'll never forget, I was standing in this office, 763 00:40:04,166 --> 00:40:06,934 and I get a call, and our computer forensics guy, 764 00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:08,734 he didn't know much about the case... 765 00:40:11,166 --> 00:40:14,634 didn't know what the timing was, didn't know what 766 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,867 the impact of certain dates and times were. 767 00:40:18,867 --> 00:40:20,100 Nothing. 768 00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:22,967 And he said, "I just wanted to tell you, I don't know if this 769 00:40:23,133 --> 00:40:24,667 "means anything to you, 770 00:40:24,834 --> 00:40:27,066 "but in Jennifer McCabe's phone, 771 00:40:27,233 --> 00:40:30,867 there's a Google search for 'how long to die in the cold.'" 772 00:40:31,033 --> 00:40:33,467 She misspelled the word "how," spelled it H-O-S. 773 00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:36,000 And I said, 774 00:40:36,634 --> 00:40:37,734 "What? 775 00:40:38,867 --> 00:40:39,967 "Are you sure? 776 00:40:40,333 --> 00:40:42,233 Because that wasn't in their report." 777 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,400 He said, "Yeah, I'm sure." 778 00:40:45,033 --> 00:40:48,834 And he said, "It was at 2:27 and 40 seconds." 779 00:40:50,133 --> 00:40:51,967 "OK. What date?" 780 00:40:53,166 --> 00:40:54,667 He said, "January 29th." 781 00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:00,667 And I thought, "This -- this can't be. 782 00:41:00,667 --> 00:41:01,834 This can't be." 783 00:41:01,834 --> 00:41:04,567 Jennifer McCabe, according to the evidence that we have 784 00:41:04,734 --> 00:41:05,934 from her phone, 785 00:41:07,333 --> 00:41:10,767 Google searched "how long to die in the cold" 786 00:41:10,767 --> 00:41:13,767 at 2:27 and 40 seconds a.m., 787 00:41:13,767 --> 00:41:17,734 three and a half hours before John's body was discovered. 59990

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