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So back when you started, there
were some doubts, right?
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Were there?
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I hadn't heard.
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So that's news to you? I know.
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What would you like to say
to those people who think, well,
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I like what this guy's doing,
but...
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I've elected people
to represent me
who should be doing this job?
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Everything, All the criticism
that I've heard of
what I'm doing, it
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basically boils down to, well,
what about the system?
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Trust the system.
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The system wasn't
representing people. But I am.
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Daniel didn't really have much
to say about himself at first,
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so it was really on
the journalists
in Brazil to find out who he was
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and how he came to be that way.
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There wasn't anything about him
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growing up that would make
you think this guy's different.
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It was comics, video
games and football.
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He never talked to anybody about
it, any of his friends.
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But at some point he just
started,
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you know, avoiding
physical activities at school.
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He said he was bored with them.
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Definitely not one
of the cool kids in school.
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But he do these things when we
hung out
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and I thought it was hilarious
because he didn't even care.
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He's almost the archetype,
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the lost soul, the outsider
who suddenly discovers, Hey,
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I can have control over
my own life in a very
big, very powerful way.
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Superhero comics and movies
have given him the tools to say.
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I'm a superhero.
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Do they like you? I don't know.
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Word also started to get out
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pretty quickly about the crime
numbers the city was posting.
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and we had posted double digit
declines
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that began to attract a lot of
attention.
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He's a global celebrity.
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And, you know, against
like all of the good.
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he's doing, the complaints?
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They're less than a footnote.
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If you want to understand
why he became so popular
so quickly,
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all you have to do
is look at his background.
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And they find out
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we've been living right
under our noses in Nova
Sao Paulo his whole life.
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But as you'd expect,
it's the story
about his birth that's unusual.
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His biological parents
are from the state
of Pernambuco,
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and we find out they both
passed away
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from something that looks like
radiation poisoning.
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The father right before
his birth, mother just after
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and when no family
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surfaces to take the baby,
he's placed into the
foster care system.
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A family adopts him,
and from what we can
tell, he grows up
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normally under the
circumstances.
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So we were in college
by then, and one day
he just stopped going to class.
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So when I texted him,
he told me that he'd
been thinking
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a lot about the way
his mom was killed.
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I thought that was weird
because he never really
talked about her.
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He told me that he needed some
time off and he wanted to,
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you know, figure out who he
really was.
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He's discovering this strength,
this speed, the fact that
nothing seems to hurt it.
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We don't know when he first
noticed there was something
different about him,
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but we do know he threw himself
into figuring out what
to do with it.
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it almost perfectly fits
the contours of the classic
superhero origin story.
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Now, if you're somebody who
doesn't have these things,
that's a perfect fantasy.
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And that's why superhero stories
connect with so many of us.
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And now along comes
someone who gets to
live that story.
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So what is he thinking about?
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He's growing up reading comic
books like the rest of us.
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And what those have done
is given him a sort of
decoder key for reality.
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Oh, now I understand why I'm
like this.
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Now I understand why I'm
feeling this way.
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Now I understand what I should
do.
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And what is it that superheroes
do?
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They fight villains.
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It was only like four years ago.
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I had been an anchor on CNE
for three years.
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You start thinking you've
seen everything,
even the bus hijacking.
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So that wasn't a surprise.
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But what happened next? That
was.
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A bus hijacking
in Nova Sao Paulo, Brazil.
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Coming to a surprising
conclusion...
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...a man appears to have leapt
through the bus window
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at an inconceivable speed,
stopping the hijacker
before disappearing.
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And then the gunman
just goes like flying
off the bus.
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And this... I guess
I would call him a kid.
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This kid steps off,
like totally calm,
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like he just got to his stop.
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An astonishing story out of Nova
Sao Paulo, Brazil.
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It was like a scene
out of a superhero movie.
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The attention of
the entire world
has turned to the Brazilian city
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and to the vigilante hero from
last...
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The vigilante named
Daniel Dias has left scientists
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in disbelief with a
slew of abilities
that seem more at home.
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In a comic... He can leap
hundreds of meters.
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He runs faster than the speed of
sound, and he's strong enough
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to bend solid metal.
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What we don't know
about him, how he exists.
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So the day after the bus.
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After he introduced himself
to the camera,
he walks in as if,
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you know, nothing happened,
like...
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and, oh my God,
before he even gets to the door.
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I mean, for a shy kid, this
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moment is the moment that you
dream of.
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He was the hero.
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Everybody at school knew his
name and not just at school.
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Now is the biggest story in
the world is a comic
book come to life.
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He's a celebrity.
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Everybody wanted
to be the childhood friend.
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Everyone had this
one story about the one time
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they had talked and how
from just that they knew
how special he was.
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Definitely news to him
how many friends he had.
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We know because we've read
the same comics and seen the
same movies that he has.
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That celebrity is something
he must have anticipated
since it began.
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But there are different ways
of interacting with the public.
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There's the Bruce Wayne model
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where I'm a celebrity
in everyday life,
but nobody knows I'm Batman.
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Then there's the Peter Parker
model where I'm the totally
anonymous,
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mild mannered
high school student.
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Oh,
there's the Tony Stark model
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where it's like,
Hey, I am Iron Man.
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I think if you look at the world
today at digital technology,
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you think I'm going to spend
half my energy protecting
my secret identity,
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then order 50 sets of matching
long underwear
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and somebody is just going
to find out who I am anyway.
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I'll pass on the whole
Bruce Wayne thing.
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As a public figure, at least
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you go into a restaurant
and you get drinks on the house.
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You know, you get the perks.
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There's this big question
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What's someone with
Daniel's ability supposed
to do in the real world?
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If you want to make money,
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the first thing I think
is probably I should play
a professional sport.
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But as soon as there's
even a whisper of that,
the International Olympic
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Committee, the players
associations
in every sport, even in America,
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they make it known
that he's not welcome
to compete.
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So the next idea is from
these American producers
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who try to sell him on the
concept of a big live show,
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kind of a spectacle
where he can show
off his powers around the world.
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That just is like a circus act.
He passes.
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Some people were even trying to
attach themselves to him
from all Churches,
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the ones talking about
like prophecy chosen one
stuff that creeps him out.
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So if you never had a
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friend turn into an
object of worship,
I'll tell you right away.
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I had no idea what to tell him.
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I mean, he's trying really hard
to be the same person
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he was, but his life looks
nothing like it did before.
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You have people calling him a
Savior, God.
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What do you tell your friend?
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I was like...
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Take the free stuff.
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You know, what would you say?
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But I think his dad was really
the one reminding him,
you have a gift.
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You can do things.
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Look what's happening in the
country.
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You can tell he's
kind of searching for meaning.
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And he's thinking,
What's my way to go big?
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But in all these places, his
response is.
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I don't want to be part of that.
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So you have a superhero.
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The first thing I think is
he's got to fight crime, right?
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I think someone looked at him
and figure.
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Sooner or later,
this kid's going to be
busts and bad guys.
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He might as well learn
what's game's about.
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So they let him participate
in some police operations.
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You'd seen his face. He loved
it.
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Everybody loved it.
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What is a superhero?
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A superhero is someone
who sacrifices for us.
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Someone who can do the job
alone. So we don't have to.
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Now, you can have superhero
teams, but what you don't
have is superheroes
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on teams. So every time he gets
involved with an organization,
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there are these disagreements.
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He wants to do things his way.
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He feels like they're holding
him back. And he's right.
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They are. I mean, he's a
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he's an unstoppable force.
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But that works both ways.
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We had started talking
a lot when he was out
there trying out stuff.
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You know, every day would be a
text.
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A meme, a video call.
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I like that he hadn't changed.
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If anyone had a right
to change, it was him.
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But he was still the same person
I knew growing up.
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You know, because he genuinely
believed
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that he could do the right thing
and that he would do
the right thing.
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He just didn't feel this
trust coming from
the people making the decisions.
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That speech was when
I first set up and realized
this guy wasn't
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just some celebrity out there
with a couple of models
in his arms.
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He was somebody you got to pay
attention to.
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That was it.
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One minute he was a celebrity.
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The next he was like.
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Well, no one really knew what
it meant.
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I had no idea what he was going
to do.
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You know, even as a kid,
he was always the person
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who would take his own decisions
without telling anybody.
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So this was pretty much like
him.
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He also announces
that he has a new
name now, Warden.
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which means guardian.
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The superhero name.
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There's always been
something about violence.
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Even defensive, necessary
violence
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that was recognized
as so foreign to civilized life.
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The life of the town,
the life of the family
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that our fighters
have always had
to assume a different persona.
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Whether it's war paint or
samurai masks
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or the codenames that our
soldiers use when they talk
to each other on the radio.
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When you're in that world
where life and death
are on the line,
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you need to become someone else.
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And sometimes that
someone is a truer you.
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Warden.
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Obviously, it's an English word.
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It's not a Portuguese word.
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Daniel had gotten to know some
people,
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entertainment industry people,
and they told him, you know,
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you might be working on a local
level, but
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like it or not, you're
an international figure.
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You need people all over the
world to hear one word
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and think of you.
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And he saw that, too.
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So Warden hits the scene.
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He's shaking hands. He's on
patrol.
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And he quickly discovers
something.
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He discovers that supervillains
the "raison d'etre"
to be a superhero.
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Well, we don't really get a lot
of those in a real world,
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what we do get in
the real world,
in the real criminal world,
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are a lot of ordinary people
with an underdeveloped
sense of empathy
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who are trying to find ways
to to cheat, to take advantage,
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and sometimes use
violence against
those they perceive as targets.
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Not an evil genius masterplan,
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frankly, for that stuff.
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There's not a whole
lot that superhero
can do that a normal can do.
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You know, you you learn the
neighborhood, you meet the
people you earn their trust.
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You develop good sources and
you use data.
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That's how you solve crimes.
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And the more crimes you solve,
the more crimes you stop.
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I think his idea was more,
I dare you try something
on my watch.
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You always have the
association of the superhero
and the city with his city.
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Batman has Gotham.
Superman has Metropolis.
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Green Lantern has Central City.
240
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Now, the comic book writers
didn't have to do that.
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It cost them just as much to
draw Superman in Metropolis
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as it did to draw them on the
moon.
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But there's always been this
sense that a superhero
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isn't some distant figure
watching us from Mount Olympus.
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They're part of our community.
246
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And Warden understood that.
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I worried about him in the
beginning.
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You know, he was coming from a
place
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where if he was in your
life, it was as a celebrity.
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Like this professional lifesaver
that the least controversial
person imaginable.
251
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But how do you keep this up
when your job
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is to make judgments about who's
a good guy and who's a bad guy?
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If you're not naturally the kind
of person who craves attention
254
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and suddenly millions of people
you've never met have
opinions about you
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being under that microscope
gets to you.
256
00:20:22,255 --> 00:20:26,127
I remember he told me about the
first time
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he stopped a robbery, I think
it was
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at a gas station,
and the guy had stolen
like 60 bucks.
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So he tackled the robber
and the guy starts screaming,
howling,
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like making noises
that you've never heard
in your life.
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And at some point, he looks at
the guy and
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he sees that the guy is not well
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and he's not armed or anything.
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And he was like, Is this who
I'm fighting?
265
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So I think this was really
tough for him.
266
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The problem was this
was all legally very tenuous.
267
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He wasn't the type
of guy who wanted to read
you your rights.
268
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He hadn't been trained in
the police department's
use of force standards.
269
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He was a superhero
not some recruits
with a rulebook.
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In my office, we got signals
from certain judges that to them
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what one was doing was
surveillance on private
citizens without a warrant.
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It was an untenable situation.
273
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Warden had agreed to let
some TV producers
put a camera crew on him.
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That was how Brazilian Hero
started.
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These were the people
who thought
up his new international name.
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So of course, they didn't
keep it in Brazil.
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Right away they packaged it
as Our Hero and licensed it
all around the world.
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It's a massive hit.
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People call me a Warden.
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Ever since I was young,
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I've known I was a little
different.
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I don't think he loved having
cameras around all the time,
283
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but he figured at least
he could control the message.
284
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It also brought in a huge stream
of revenue for Warden.
285
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It just cements him
as this internationally
beloved figure.
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So he's coming in to millions of
people's homes every week,
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doing these heroic, basically
magical things in front
of the camera.
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Davi Lopes is the state
representative
that falls on that grenade
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and tries to act on some
of the concerns
coming from the police.
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The "OAB" the Order of
Attorneys of Brazil and some
members of the community
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Consequences. So
this is really the first time
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that anyone's had to wrestle
with this question.
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Can you apply the law to a demi
god?
294
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Can you arrest him? How?
295
00:23:45,425 --> 00:23:48,129
What kind of laws do we need?
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If you can't just let him do
whatever he wants.
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Can you?
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The investigation.
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I think it really just changed
the way he thought about things.
300
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You know, he saw what he did
as a community service
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00:24:05,913 --> 00:24:08,683
that, you know, everyone's
super hero.
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00:24:08,783 --> 00:24:11,552
And then these politicians
come along and treated him
as a punching bag.
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He saw it as a game to them.
304
00:24:14,755 --> 00:24:18,259
So that was the first
time I actually saw
him get frustrated.
305
00:24:19,126 --> 00:24:21,629
Well, it turned out
investigating
him was very unpopular.
306
00:24:22,263 --> 00:24:24,632
Warden wasn't the guy handing
speeding tickets.
307
00:24:24,899 --> 00:24:28,836
People were seeing him
stopping awful,
violent people every single day.
308
00:24:28,936 --> 00:24:31,305
And more importantly,
they were seeing it on TV.
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You threatened to take
that away from people.
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And, you know, you playing with
fire.
311
00:24:37,244 --> 00:24:42,883
We forget the salience
of the feeling
of physical safety in politics.
312
00:24:43,784 --> 00:24:46,554
You know, in Brazil,
people saw this reality.
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00:24:47,288 --> 00:24:50,558
Tens of thousands of murders
and rapes every year.
314
00:24:50,658 --> 00:24:53,594
And no matter who you are,
your survival instincts kick in
315
00:24:54,195 --> 00:24:56,864
and you think my security first.
316
00:24:57,631 --> 00:24:59,567
Other people we'll talk about
later.
317
00:24:59,667 --> 00:25:02,536
And they said to
the politicians,
I don't want to hear anything
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00:25:02,636 --> 00:25:04,772
you have to say until you fix
this.
319
00:25:06,007 --> 00:25:07,575
How can you keep me safe
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00:25:07,975 --> 00:25:10,311
in my home, in my city?
321
00:25:11,612 --> 00:25:14,115
It was a top voting issue in
the country.
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And so everybody acted.
323
00:25:16,984 --> 00:25:19,954
And if you're Brazilian
and you feel like the system is
324
00:25:20,054 --> 00:25:24,258
sacrificing your safety
for some abstract
concept like due process,
325
00:25:24,725 --> 00:25:27,762
you get that lizard brain
reaction,
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you're making me unsafe
327
00:25:31,165 --> 00:25:33,167
and you get fed up.
328
00:25:37,204 --> 00:25:40,509
As it turns out, public opinion
didn't matter one
way or the other.
329
00:25:46,313 --> 00:25:50,117
So this scandal breaks
and it's just the perfect
330
00:25:50,217 --> 00:25:53,888
stew of ingredients that
get people actually
interested in local news.
331
00:26:00,928 --> 00:26:02,930
He doesn't stand a chance.
332
00:26:47,074 --> 00:26:51,345
Everybody, millions of people
knew that he wasn't happy
with this investigation
333
00:26:51,445 --> 00:26:56,350
and that anything that would
make Lopes' life harder
would be good for him.
334
00:26:56,951 --> 00:27:00,688
So it just took, you know,
someone out there who
decided they knew
335
00:27:00,788 --> 00:27:01,956
how to help.
336
00:27:02,323 --> 00:27:05,626
With Davi Lopes out of the
way and his supporters silent.
337
00:27:05,926 --> 00:27:08,496
The coast was really clear for
Warden to do things his way.
338
00:27:08,629 --> 00:27:10,532
The first time I thought
339
00:27:11,432 --> 00:27:13,868
maybe that feeling
you've got to watch your back,
340
00:27:13,968 --> 00:27:17,671
that if you're not on his side,
something bad was
going to happen.
341
00:27:19,406 --> 00:27:21,275
That's what he wants.
342
00:27:21,408 --> 00:27:24,078
Maybe Warden is someone
you've got to watch out for.
343
00:27:28,449 --> 00:27:32,219
What is the superhero way?
344
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:33,954
To fight crime.
345
00:27:34,388 --> 00:27:36,824
And part of it's about optics,
right?
346
00:27:36,924 --> 00:27:40,494
The spectacle. Every arrest
showcases
347
00:27:40,595 --> 00:27:44,031
that you're faster,
stronger, tougher than
the bad guys.
348
00:27:44,131 --> 00:27:46,433
You maybe humiliate them.
349
00:27:47,468 --> 00:27:50,505
Part of the superheroes
job is to be a moral force.
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00:27:51,272 --> 00:27:55,342
You're embodying in one person
the values of an entire
community,
351
00:27:55,610 --> 00:28:00,714
and you're delivering the
smackdown that community wishes
352
00:28:00,814 --> 00:28:04,619
it could give to anyone or
anything that threatens it.
353
00:28:04,985 --> 00:28:09,023
You're saying our side, the side
of order and righteous violence
354
00:28:09,156 --> 00:28:12,561
beats your side, the
side of disorder
and unrighteous violence.
355
00:28:12,661 --> 00:28:17,765
But what the superhero way
really means is no rules.
356
00:28:17,865 --> 00:28:21,135
You have the heroes sense of
morality and you trust it.
357
00:28:21,735 --> 00:28:25,706
But Warden isn't,
you know, filing an
arrest report.
358
00:28:25,806 --> 00:28:26,974
And he's certainly not going
359
00:28:27,074 --> 00:28:29,476
to show up in court
to testify at the trial.
360
00:28:51,899 --> 00:28:56,337
I think people celebrated Warden
because they made
that connection.
361
00:28:57,505 --> 00:29:00,040
They realized he is us.
362
00:29:00,941 --> 00:29:05,580
This is what we would do
if we had the power.
363
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,350
The question is,
where does that fit into
the legal system?
364
00:29:09,718 --> 00:29:13,588
So you can see how things
might be on a collision course.
365
00:29:16,790 --> 00:29:18,859
I don't know how to explain it.
366
00:29:18,959 --> 00:29:21,929
It felt like he was himself
again.
367
00:29:22,029 --> 00:29:25,099
You know, everybody had this
idea of who he should be
368
00:29:25,199 --> 00:29:29,203
or what he should do
or wanted something from him.
369
00:29:29,303 --> 00:29:33,207
And suddenly he felt like
he could define himself.
370
00:29:33,608 --> 00:29:35,610
And he came alive.
371
00:29:36,578 --> 00:29:38,212
It was an amazing combination
372
00:29:38,312 --> 00:29:41,482
of the person I grew up with
and the man I was
getting to know.
373
00:29:43,484 --> 00:29:44,985
It had to be a secret, though.
374
00:29:45,085 --> 00:29:47,622
Obviously, he wanted to protect
me.
375
00:29:57,298 --> 00:29:59,967
You sense this new
confidence watching him.
376
00:30:00,401 --> 00:30:03,505
You know, the sex offender
gets a hot shot to his crotch,
377
00:30:03,605 --> 00:30:06,574
the dope fiend gets hauled in
with drugs all around him.
378
00:30:07,341 --> 00:30:09,076
He was showing his sense of
humor.
379
00:30:09,176 --> 00:30:11,011
Let the punishment fit the
crime.
380
00:30:11,111 --> 00:30:13,914
So as you'd expect, everybody on
the force gave him a wide lane.
381
00:30:14,448 --> 00:30:16,751
On the one hand that
it was his popularity,
382
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:20,187
you knew you'd be shouted down
even before you opened
your mouth.
383
00:30:20,988 --> 00:30:23,290
But there was also
this intimidation factor.
384
00:30:23,625 --> 00:30:27,762
Every time he flexed his
muscles and ran someone
down, he was reminding you,
385
00:30:27,861 --> 00:30:30,197
I'm stronger than you.
I'm faster than you.
386
00:30:30,464 --> 00:30:32,066
Essentially, I'm unstoppable.
387
00:30:32,166 --> 00:30:34,034
And he didn't have to open his
mouth.
388
00:30:34,134 --> 00:30:36,203
Warden never felt like the best
389
00:30:36,303 --> 00:30:39,473
use of his time was chasing
drug pushers
or any random street criminals.
390
00:30:39,774 --> 00:30:42,677
Here in Brazil, we say that's
like trying to dry ice.
391
00:30:42,777 --> 00:30:44,579
Even when he tries going
392
00:30:44,679 --> 00:30:47,147
after organized crime,
he's hitting the corner
dealers, the triggerman,
393
00:30:47,549 --> 00:30:49,950
those street level guys go down,
you've got another five
394
00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:51,720
replacing them in the next day.
395
00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:54,488
The fundamental problem stays.
396
00:30:54,823 --> 00:30:58,959
It's clear Warden is starting
to think if this is the best
use of his abilities.
397
00:30:59,059 --> 00:31:03,364
But this time there are
people around Warden who
have very strong ideas
398
00:31:03,464 --> 00:31:07,301
about what problems
need to be solved
and they have his attention.
399
00:31:08,837 --> 00:31:10,371
Warden had these
400
00:31:10,471 --> 00:31:13,808
relationships with the Nova
Sao Paulo business community.
401
00:31:13,907 --> 00:31:17,812
The idea was since Warden
didn't want to get paid
by the government,
402
00:31:18,078 --> 00:31:21,949
they make donations to support
his new Justice Initiative
operation.
403
00:31:22,049 --> 00:31:25,152
There were a few examples
where a company would bring him
404
00:31:25,252 --> 00:31:27,388
in to give a lecture to their
employees.
405
00:33:16,831 --> 00:33:20,300
All of a sudden,
Warden was making these
huge arrests.
406
00:33:20,535 --> 00:33:24,939
Was white collar, financial
crime, criminal leaders,
even politicians.
407
00:33:25,038 --> 00:33:28,275
All the people that you thought
were untouchable. Falling
like dominoes.
408
00:33:28,475 --> 00:33:33,180
They would show up at the
courthouse, essentially
gift wrapped with evidence
409
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,819
for the prosecutors to make
their cases and cameras to
get the public exciting.
410
00:33:38,151 --> 00:33:40,788
None of the evidence
would hold up in court
411
00:33:40,889 --> 00:33:45,593
because it was collected
extrajudicially
and violated due process
412
00:33:46,026 --> 00:33:48,563
that only made Warden more
popular.
413
00:33:48,663 --> 00:33:50,932
The defense lawyers weren't
happy.
414
00:33:51,533 --> 00:33:54,468
The civil liberties
groups cried bloody murder. But
415
00:33:54,569 --> 00:33:58,840
when the courts had to let
these criminal big shots
go free on technicalities
416
00:33:59,841 --> 00:34:02,242
that made Warden the hero
417
00:34:02,342 --> 00:34:04,779
and the legal system the
villain.
418
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,283
He was saying, You've
all complained
about this for years now.
419
00:34:09,817 --> 00:34:12,820
Everybody stand back
whilst I do something about it.
420
00:34:19,661 --> 00:34:21,295
It's an iron law
421
00:34:21,395 --> 00:34:23,598
in all times, in all places.
422
00:34:24,999 --> 00:34:27,367
It's extremely unwise
423
00:34:27,769 --> 00:34:32,006
to be rich and not befriend
the authorities.
424
00:34:32,105 --> 00:34:34,909
Now, whenever you have one of
these anti-corruption campaigns
425
00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:39,479
led by one person, one savior
who's all about cracking down,
426
00:34:39,581 --> 00:34:40,949
all about putting that villain
427
00:34:41,049 --> 00:34:44,184
or handful of villains on stage
for the public to hate
428
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,187
without passing laws
429
00:34:47,555 --> 00:34:51,993
that change the incentives
that create the corruption
in the first place.
430
00:34:52,092 --> 00:34:55,730
What you have is not
an anti-corruption campaign.
431
00:34:56,263 --> 00:35:00,702
What you have is
a pro your friends
corruption campaign.
432
00:35:02,369 --> 00:35:05,138
Write it down.
Take it to the bank.
433
00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:08,241
Every time.
434
00:35:08,576 --> 00:35:10,277
You talk to him by then
435
00:35:10,377 --> 00:35:14,147
And it was millions of ideas
all the time,
like green speedways,
436
00:35:14,247 --> 00:35:17,384
bust these criminals disaster
response system.
437
00:35:17,484 --> 00:35:19,988
He said his eyes
were opening to the world.
438
00:35:20,387 --> 00:35:23,156
It was good to be
with someone that cared so much.
439
00:35:23,558 --> 00:35:27,662
You know, he really thought
he really believed that he
could change the world.
440
00:35:29,396 --> 00:35:32,767
And the more his plans grew,
the more the organization grew.
441
00:35:36,838 --> 00:35:39,974
He had the lawyers
had the digital forensic team.
442
00:35:40,074 --> 00:35:42,644
He had the liaison
to handle business
with the city.
443
00:35:42,744 --> 00:35:46,514
He had the PR guy, all of them
recommendation from his
business friends,
444
00:35:46,614 --> 00:35:48,016
for what it's worth.
445
00:35:48,116 --> 00:35:51,184
The smart businesses
started to make contributions
446
00:35:51,284 --> 00:35:53,755
to his justice initiative
straight away.
447
00:35:53,988 --> 00:35:57,058
And there's a subtext to those
payments.
448
00:35:57,157 --> 00:35:58,392
It's not settle.
449
00:35:58,492 --> 00:36:01,129
It's maybe don't look so
closely at me.
450
00:36:15,308 --> 00:36:17,679
The buildings collapsed right
at sunrise.
451
00:36:18,311 --> 00:36:20,347
I'd say that was the next phase.
452
00:36:28,956 --> 00:36:31,759
You know it was just this
453
00:36:31,859 --> 00:36:35,730
big empty eye sore that the
owners wanted to replace
454
00:36:35,830 --> 00:36:38,166
with this city of tomorrow.
455
00:36:38,566 --> 00:36:41,869
And the City has just tied them
up in court for years.
456
00:36:42,235 --> 00:36:44,772
citing historical preservation
of the site.
457
00:36:44,872 --> 00:36:47,575
And it turns out that the
owners had
458
00:36:47,675 --> 00:36:50,578
become big donors
to Warden's Justice Initiative.
459
00:36:50,678 --> 00:36:54,115
So when the buildings come down,
it looks like pretty clear
460
00:36:54,481 --> 00:36:57,819
that there's one group
that has a financial
stake in this
461
00:36:58,251 --> 00:37:00,420
and one person who
could have done it for them.
462
00:37:01,789 --> 00:37:03,423
You know, you have this
463
00:37:03,524 --> 00:37:07,327
unauthorized demolition,
this explosion in a
residential area.
464
00:37:07,427 --> 00:37:10,998
You're going around the courts,
around the whole legal process.
465
00:37:11,398 --> 00:37:12,800
You have people in the
neighborhood
466
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:15,937
getting sick from the chemicals
this puts into the air.
467
00:37:16,704 --> 00:37:21,642
Most of us look to the State
Attorney General, Romeu Filho.
468
00:37:21,743 --> 00:37:24,377
Everyone's waiting to see what
he does
469
00:37:26,514 --> 00:37:28,082
and he does nothing.
470
00:37:35,056 --> 00:37:38,492
So if you're keeping score, the
people
471
00:37:38,860 --> 00:37:42,362
who go around the law:
Warden and the owners.
472
00:37:43,296 --> 00:37:45,265
No charges against them.
473
00:37:45,365 --> 00:37:50,605
The people who call out the
people who break the law,
they get investigated.
474
00:37:51,205 --> 00:37:53,808
For me, that was "what the
fuck" moment.
475
00:37:54,942 --> 00:37:56,677
I think anyone who reviewed the
suits
476
00:37:56,778 --> 00:38:00,081
that the city filed
to prevent the demolition
as I had.
477
00:38:00,948 --> 00:38:04,018
Found them to be
in bad faith and without merit.
478
00:38:04,417 --> 00:38:08,890
More than that, it's
important to remember that
our whole legal system exists
479
00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:12,425
as a channel for the people's
sense of justice and fairness.
480
00:38:12,727 --> 00:38:16,197
And when courts have thwarten
what people understand
to be justice,
481
00:38:16,664 --> 00:38:20,168
when they're undermining
the public's confidence
that the system works,
482
00:38:21,068 --> 00:38:23,004
then you have a problem.
483
00:39:02,143 --> 00:39:04,178
Whatis the justice system for?
484
00:39:04,278 --> 00:39:07,915
If you can imagine the tribe
of early humans coming back
from a mammoth hunts.
485
00:39:08,316 --> 00:39:11,384
Yeah, they discover
that somebody has committed
a murder.
486
00:39:12,485 --> 00:39:17,258
The entire society is rattled
in its anger and vendettas
and distrust,
487
00:39:17,357 --> 00:39:20,161
and you need domestic
order to be restored.
488
00:39:21,095 --> 00:39:25,032
That's what the job of the law
is, to be our collective
retribution.
489
00:39:26,067 --> 00:39:30,104
When you look at our system
today, it's gotten so
complex and so far removed
490
00:39:30,204 --> 00:39:35,243
from that basic, original
purpose that bad actors
know they can exploit it.
491
00:39:35,877 --> 00:39:38,279
The demolition case.
492
00:39:38,411 --> 00:39:41,315
They were just a small example,
and Warden helped people
493
00:39:41,414 --> 00:39:44,819
see how they were standing
in the way of the
public interest.
494
00:39:45,219 --> 00:39:47,588
And that paved all the work we
did.
495
00:39:47,688 --> 00:39:49,422
And I think that's a great
thing.
496
00:39:49,523 --> 00:39:52,260
And that was essentially
the way things were going to go.
497
00:39:52,459 --> 00:39:54,562
Warden would play
the wrecking ball,
498
00:39:54,662 --> 00:39:58,332
Romeu Filho would play
the legal bodyguard,
and their friends would play by
499
00:39:58,431 --> 00:40:00,067
their own rules.
500
00:40:00,167 --> 00:40:02,603
Now, if you're a reasonable
501
00:40:02,703 --> 00:40:07,375
person or a reasonable business,
you would look at that
situation and say,
502
00:40:08,342 --> 00:40:10,443
I want to be Warden's friend.
503
00:40:11,045 --> 00:40:13,948
You started seeing changes
right away.
504
00:40:14,515 --> 00:40:17,652
There's a wave of construction.
The streets were cleaner.
505
00:40:17,752 --> 00:40:20,288
You're talking to people.
They are telling you
they feel safer.
506
00:40:36,037 --> 00:40:37,805
It's all a powerful statement.
507
00:40:37,905 --> 00:40:41,342
You know, you have one person
standing
508
00:40:41,441 --> 00:40:46,614
against all the old,
creaky bureaucracy
and red tape and he's winning.
509
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,884
So people pay attention to that.
510
00:41:03,297 --> 00:41:05,232
Thank you and thanks, guys.
511
00:41:05,333 --> 00:41:09,170
In a very short term,
we've had some huge changes
in Sao Paulo.
512
00:41:09,603 --> 00:41:13,240
We've seen some landmark
arrests, which I think
perhaps the very best
513
00:41:13,341 --> 00:41:17,078
investigators in your country
will be just a little
bit jealous of you.
514
00:41:17,511 --> 00:41:21,515
Yeah. You know, hopefully most
of us don't have enemies.
515
00:41:21,615 --> 00:41:23,818
And I know I didn't when I was
younger.
516
00:41:23,918 --> 00:41:27,888
But now when you start
doing things
that impact a lot of people,
517
00:41:28,289 --> 00:41:30,825
the enemies you make tell you a
lot about who you are.
518
00:41:30,958 --> 00:41:35,763
So back when you started,
there were some doubts, right?
519
00:41:35,863 --> 00:41:39,100
Were there? I hadn't heard.
Okay.
520
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:41,035
So that's news to you. I know.
521
00:41:41,135 --> 00:41:44,238
At this point you'd hear
things unofficially.
522
00:41:44,538 --> 00:41:49,543
Police chief gets advice to drop
an investigation, journalist
gets a story
523
00:41:49,643 --> 00:41:53,848
killed, a prosecutor gets
reassigned, but nothing illegal.
524
00:41:54,782 --> 00:41:59,453
And nobody can come forward
because they will know
that somewhere
525
00:41:59,553 --> 00:42:03,624
along the chain of things
that are there to stop bad
things from happening.
526
00:42:03,724 --> 00:42:09,463
There's going to be someone
who's afraid, corrupt or just
plain not on their side.
527
00:42:45,499 --> 00:42:48,769
Everything. All the criticism
that I've heard of
what I'm doing, it
528
00:42:48,869 --> 00:42:52,106
basically boils down to, well,
what about the system?
529
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,275
Trust the system.
530
00:42:54,375 --> 00:42:57,678
The system wasn't
representing people. What I am.
531
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,488
Now, at this point,
532
00:43:07,588 --> 00:43:10,024
if I'm Warden, I'm feeling
pretty good.
533
00:43:10,124 --> 00:43:12,460
I got these circles
of protection around me.
534
00:43:12,927 --> 00:43:17,031
So there's the real
one, which is the
politicians and the businessmen
535
00:43:17,131 --> 00:43:18,432
and the courts and the press
people
536
00:43:18,533 --> 00:43:20,434
who are all letting Warden
make his own rules.
537
00:43:20,968 --> 00:43:26,307
Then there's the people
who've decided, I'm for
them, I'm their champion,
538
00:43:26,407 --> 00:43:29,176
and if I'm doing something
dicey, they don't even
want to hear about it.
539
00:43:29,276 --> 00:43:32,413
The feeling that Warden stoked
in us.
540
00:43:33,114 --> 00:43:36,317
It was ancient. It's
been with humans since
the beginning.
541
00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:40,589
He was the demigod
who held the world
on his shoulders.
542
00:43:40,888 --> 00:43:45,226
He was the folk hero
who went around the law
to deliver justice
543
00:43:45,326 --> 00:43:48,295
and stick his thumb
in the eyes of the
powerful people.
544
00:43:49,063 --> 00:43:52,166
Someone like that,
even when they're
fundamentally different from us.
545
00:43:52,633 --> 00:43:55,269
There's this feeling that he is
us.
546
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:58,005
His struggles are our
547
00:43:58,105 --> 00:44:01,242
struggles and his enemies are
our enemies.
548
00:44:01,675 --> 00:44:06,480
You know, every day it would be
the rescues, the show,
the handshake,
549
00:44:06,581 --> 00:44:11,418
the strategy session next week,
next quarter, next targeted,
next project.
550
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,388
It's hard to compete with that.
551
00:44:15,022 --> 00:44:16,857
You know, people felt connected
to him.
552
00:44:16,957 --> 00:44:20,194
So I'm going into this
with my eyes wide opened.
553
00:44:20,461 --> 00:44:24,331
And I decided to ask him
if we could be officially
out dating.
554
00:44:25,966 --> 00:44:30,137
And next day, his team
calls me into his office.
555
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,645
And there's everyone lawyers,
consultants, managers.
556
00:44:37,945 --> 00:44:41,882
And they all agreed that
being out dating would be
the worst thing possible.
557
00:44:43,518 --> 00:44:45,853
For me, obviously
558
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,469
the more the time passed,
the bigger he got and the more
559
00:45:35,570 --> 00:45:42,276
the distance between
the public figure
and the man would disappear.
560
00:45:42,876 --> 00:45:48,583
There's a sense in which
a superhero is just
another kind of celebrity,
561
00:45:49,283 --> 00:45:53,854
and what celebrities
and powerful people are
really good at is creating
562
00:45:53,954 --> 00:45:58,792
these hermetically
sealed universes
where everyone loves you.
563
00:45:59,093 --> 00:46:01,862
And all the news is good news.
564
00:46:01,962 --> 00:46:05,099
In Warden's case,
you take that celebrity bubble
565
00:46:05,399 --> 00:46:07,868
and you add years of reading
about superheroes
566
00:46:08,402 --> 00:46:12,006
and their promises of power
and hyper competency.
567
00:46:12,273 --> 00:46:14,942
And you've got someone whose
life hasn't
568
00:46:15,042 --> 00:46:18,212
exactly been primed
for committed relationships.
569
00:46:18,445 --> 00:46:20,682
So how come there's only one of
you?
570
00:46:20,781 --> 00:46:24,351
I would have thought
if we'd looked into your
story of origin.
571
00:46:24,619 --> 00:46:27,656
We'd been cranking out
at least a dozen more
of you superheroes.
572
00:46:28,355 --> 00:46:32,259
Yeah, well, how do you know
you wouldn't get
a super villain?
573
00:46:48,075 --> 00:46:51,078
The show's ratings were still
strong and getting stronger.
574
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,881
People want to know everything
about him.
575
00:46:54,516 --> 00:46:57,985
You have gossip sites
paying thousands of dollars
576
00:46:58,085 --> 00:47:02,557
for any whiff of information
about who might be involved
with Warden
577
00:47:03,057 --> 00:47:07,928
who went to lunch with
him, who was seen leaving
his apartment last night.
578
00:47:08,295 --> 00:47:10,164
But it was like a mirage.
579
00:47:10,264 --> 00:47:13,867
Any time you go too close to
one of these stories,
it would disappear.
580
00:47:15,502 --> 00:47:18,773
I never told anyone about us.
581
00:47:18,872 --> 00:47:21,710
He called it "the plan",
and I was all in on it.
582
00:47:22,009 --> 00:47:24,178
It was our future.
583
00:47:24,278 --> 00:47:28,717
But most of the time, I
just felt like he was gone
and he was actually gone.
584
00:47:28,817 --> 00:47:31,318
Like he would disappear for
days.
585
00:47:31,418 --> 00:47:35,356
And when he'd show it up again,
he'd apologize and apologize.
586
00:47:35,456 --> 00:47:39,126
Say how important
everything he was doing was.
587
00:47:39,226 --> 00:47:43,230
Be romantic for a day,
then get back to normal
and then disappear again.
588
00:47:43,565 --> 00:47:47,968
There's a very clear
difference and everybody
figure it out pretty quickly.
589
00:47:48,369 --> 00:47:51,171
Investigating Warden's
personal life is okay.
590
00:47:51,305 --> 00:47:53,608
He kind of dances with you.
He likes the mystery
591
00:47:53,907 --> 00:47:57,144
investigating what was going on
in Warden's professional life.
592
00:47:57,512 --> 00:48:01,215
Some of the things the
city was doing,
that's when you get the threats.
593
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:04,686
How do you silence
someone in the 21st century?
594
00:48:05,986 --> 00:48:08,723
It doesn't look like the old
way.
595
00:48:09,156 --> 00:48:13,394
As humans, we hunt for patterns,
we're told, all the time.
596
00:48:13,494 --> 00:48:15,563
History repeats itself, right?
597
00:48:15,663 --> 00:48:18,666
So we're very good at spotting
598
00:48:18,767 --> 00:48:22,202
the last threat to a free
society.
599
00:48:22,771 --> 00:48:24,938
Book burnings. Canceled
elections.
600
00:48:25,038 --> 00:48:27,809
Thugs marching in the
street. No way. You're not
going to slip that by us.
601
00:48:28,676 --> 00:48:31,945
But then we pour all our energy
into convincing people
602
00:48:32,279 --> 00:48:35,850
that what we're seeing now
is just like the last thing.
603
00:48:36,751 --> 00:48:41,955
Problem is when people
realize, no, it's
not just like the last thing
604
00:48:43,323 --> 00:48:45,426
they decide. It's
not worth worrying about.
605
00:48:45,527 --> 00:48:50,297
So what we're not good at
is spotting the next threat.
606
00:48:51,265 --> 00:48:54,401
These days, you don't need thugs
going around knocking
on people's doors.
607
00:48:55,035 --> 00:48:56,970
That's inefficient. It's ugly.
608
00:48:57,070 --> 00:48:58,807
You don't need to say
a word. You're thugs.
609
00:48:58,907 --> 00:49:03,177
They don't even have to be your
thugs.
610
00:49:03,277 --> 00:49:05,379
And I'll ask you one more
question.
611
00:49:05,479 --> 00:49:07,849
Do you think about
your limitations sometimes?
612
00:49:08,282 --> 00:49:11,151
Like there's something
you just can accomplish
no matter how
613
00:49:11,251 --> 00:49:13,688
strong or fast you are?
614
00:49:13,788 --> 00:49:15,355
No.
615
00:49:15,456 --> 00:49:18,560
No? No. Because I'm
616
00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:23,363
the least important part
of what's happening
in Nova Sao Paulo.
617
00:49:23,464 --> 00:49:26,366
It's not about what I've done.
618
00:49:26,467 --> 00:49:29,002
Everything I've accomplished
will vanish overnight.
619
00:49:29,102 --> 00:49:33,273
Without this movement,
these thousands of people,
620
00:49:33,741 --> 00:49:37,377
good people who know
the difference
between right and wrong
621
00:49:37,978 --> 00:49:40,682
and want to fight hard to make
this
622
00:49:40,782 --> 00:49:44,586
a better place for all of us to
live.
623
00:49:44,686 --> 00:49:48,857
In a way, people embraced Warden
for the same reason
they embraced
624
00:49:48,957 --> 00:49:52,760
superheroes during
other periods of
high social anxiety. In the U.S,
625
00:49:52,993 --> 00:49:55,730
you had superheroes going to war
for America in the 1940s,
626
00:49:55,930 --> 00:49:58,900
and then they were protecting us
from nuclear weapons
during the Cold War.
627
00:49:58,999 --> 00:50:00,501
And then we saw them deployed
628
00:50:00,602 --> 00:50:03,103
as guardians looking out for us
after September the 11th.
629
00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:07,909
Now, I think during periods of
declining trust in institutions
630
00:50:08,108 --> 00:50:12,145
and a sort of societal unwinding
like what was happening
in Brazil,
631
00:50:12,647 --> 00:50:17,351
Warden looked to a lot of people
like the solution.
632
00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:56,356
It's important to understand
how police works in Brazil,
there's two types.
633
00:50:57,257 --> 00:50:59,426
The military police who are
responsible
634
00:50:59,527 --> 00:51:03,998
for patrolling the streets,
enforcing laws, and
the civil police
635
00:51:04,097 --> 00:51:07,635
who are mostly responsible
for investigating crime.
636
00:51:07,902 --> 00:51:10,872
One might catch a criminal in
the act
637
00:51:11,238 --> 00:51:15,242
and take him to the other
for arrest and investigation.
638
00:51:15,342 --> 00:51:20,380
So dividing the responsibilities
that you might find in another
country's police department.
639
00:51:20,748 --> 00:51:25,252
But both sides answer
to the state
secretary of public security.
640
00:51:38,733 --> 00:51:41,168
There have been more complaints
about Warden
641
00:51:41,268 --> 00:51:44,606
interfering with police work,
costing them cases.
642
00:51:44,706 --> 00:51:49,142
So the Secretary of Public
Security decided that he needed
643
00:51:49,242 --> 00:51:53,047
to get on the same page
with Warden, and they need
to get it in writing.
644
00:51:53,146 --> 00:51:57,619
So Warden's people go, sure,
here are our terms.
645
00:52:07,929 --> 00:52:11,298
His people didn't explain it,
didn't try to convince anybody.
646
00:52:11,398 --> 00:52:14,802
It was just, here
you go, take it or leave it.
647
00:52:26,814 --> 00:52:30,652
And none of that mattered
when Warden wanted
to get rid of him.
648
00:52:30,752 --> 00:52:35,155
If Warden was against someone,
it didn't matter what his
supporters thought before.
649
00:52:35,790 --> 00:52:37,625
Suddenly everyone was in
lockstep.
650
00:52:37,725 --> 00:52:40,028
It was just like with Davi
Lopes.
651
00:52:40,128 --> 00:52:42,362
Warden's concern.
The concern of his team was
652
00:52:42,462 --> 00:52:46,366
that the Secretary became less
interested in protecting
the residents of this city
653
00:52:46,466 --> 00:52:50,104
and more interested in
protecting himself
and some shady interests.
654
00:52:50,705 --> 00:52:53,007
Warden's position was that
the Governor should appoint
655
00:52:53,107 --> 00:52:55,009
Michel Borba
as the new Secretary.
656
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:57,979
Michel Borba was the head
of the Cyber Crimes Unit,
657
00:52:58,378 --> 00:53:00,515
at the Warden's Justice
Initiative.
658
00:53:00,615 --> 00:53:01,883
And Warden's
659
00:53:01,983 --> 00:53:04,351
argument, reasonably, was that
660
00:53:04,451 --> 00:53:07,021
his cybercrimes unit
was pioneering the crime
661
00:53:07,121 --> 00:53:10,457
fighting technology
that the police
would use in the coming years.
662
00:53:10,725 --> 00:53:13,161
So why not put him
in charge? It was simple.
663
00:53:20,902 --> 00:53:24,072
So now Warden is asking
for a voice in the
political process.
664
00:53:24,172 --> 00:53:25,740
A very large voice.
665
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,442
And I can't blame
the governor for listening.
666
00:53:28,543 --> 00:53:31,612
How do you go up against
the most popular personality
in the world
667
00:53:31,713 --> 00:53:34,549
who, by the way, uses
violence professionally?
668
00:53:34,982 --> 00:53:37,819
The newest move from Warden
has raised alarm from critics
669
00:53:37,919 --> 00:53:41,421
who warn that Brazil's
justice system
is bending to serve one man.
670
00:53:55,368 --> 00:53:58,539
At that point, I knew that if
Warden wanted anything,
671
00:53:58,673 --> 00:53:59,674
he was going to get it.
672
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,563
The 19th of June.
673
00:54:24,699 --> 00:54:27,135
Essentially the whole city
coming together
674
00:54:27,935 --> 00:54:31,572
for a big party, was going to be
bigger than the last carnival.
675
00:54:31,939 --> 00:54:34,041
But this was was Warden's
carnival.
676
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:38,813
They were expecting hundreds
and thousands of people.
677
00:54:41,916 --> 00:54:43,618
And then...
678
00:55:01,602 --> 00:55:04,505
I had never, ever
seen him like he was that day.
679
00:55:09,143 --> 00:55:13,648
He said that he could feel
himself losing control
like he liked it when
680
00:55:14,615 --> 00:55:17,018
he killed that man.
681
00:55:17,118 --> 00:55:19,352
You couldn't stop saying I did
this.
682
00:55:19,452 --> 00:55:21,055
He came after me.
683
00:55:21,155 --> 00:55:23,356
He blamed himself
and he said it would
never happen again.
684
00:55:26,426 --> 00:55:28,361
It was a young man
who several years earlier
685
00:55:28,461 --> 00:55:32,200
had been removed from the police
after a series of disciplinary
problems.
686
00:55:34,367 --> 00:55:37,505
He seemed to have developed
some kind of obsession
with Warden.
687
00:55:39,339 --> 00:55:42,176
He killed 33 people in less
than 2 minutes
688
00:55:42,877 --> 00:55:45,146
before a thankfully Warden
could stop him.
689
00:55:47,281 --> 00:55:50,885
Immediately, people were asking
questions.
690
00:55:50,985 --> 00:55:56,624
You know, there had been
murders under Warden's watch,
but this one was different.
691
00:55:57,424 --> 00:56:00,393
Mass shootings like these
are not common in Brazil.
692
00:56:00,962 --> 00:56:03,097
And never on this scale
and in broad daylight.
693
00:56:03,631 --> 00:56:05,233
The victims were families.
694
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,501
Kids.
695
00:56:48,276 --> 00:56:51,512
There was a sense that Warden's
enemies were lurking everywhere.
696
00:56:51,612 --> 00:56:56,284
They were in corporate
boardrooms, the local
newsrooms, but especially
697
00:56:56,384 --> 00:57:02,523
they were in government, he
was sure, and his supporters
especially were sure.
698
00:57:02,924 --> 00:57:05,893
But this was their way, his
enemies way of
699
00:57:06,127 --> 00:57:09,830
of shaking their confidence
in him, the sense that he
was protecting.
700
00:57:10,131 --> 00:57:14,467
And I'll be honest with
you, there was conspiracy
theory from the other side
701
00:57:15,069 --> 00:57:18,005
that Warden had planned the
attack
702
00:57:18,105 --> 00:57:19,607
as a false flag operation,
703
00:57:19,707 --> 00:57:22,944
and he would use that panic
to unleash the next phase of
704
00:57:24,312 --> 00:57:26,247
whatever he wanted.
705
00:57:28,416 --> 00:57:30,885
I think a lot of the wilder
claims that my office
706
00:57:30,985 --> 00:57:35,323
was giving credence to
conspiracy theories
and so on, even at the time,
707
00:57:35,423 --> 00:57:38,693
it was fairly clear
that those claims were
advanced by people
708
00:57:38,793 --> 00:57:42,830
with a political agenda
who wanted
to discredit the justice system.
709
00:57:42,930 --> 00:57:47,001
What I saw from the vantage
of my office was a series
of troubling connections.
710
00:57:47,101 --> 00:57:50,571
Now, those connections
may not have amounted
to anything,
711
00:57:50,938 --> 00:57:55,142
but I was obligated to pursue
the truth wherever it took me.
712
00:57:57,078 --> 00:58:00,081
I don't think he slept for a
month.
713
00:58:00,181 --> 00:58:02,550
You know, he looked
at the guy, the shooter,
714
00:58:02,650 --> 00:58:05,686
and he saw the whole system
trying to defend itself.
715
00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:08,389
You know, like a disease body
rejecting medicine.
716
00:58:09,156 --> 00:58:13,527
He said that he could
finally understand
how far they were willing to go
717
00:58:13,627 --> 00:58:16,564
and that he was going
to fight back.
718
00:58:16,664 --> 00:58:18,032
Who benefits?
719
00:58:19,033 --> 00:58:20,167
Just smells funny.
720
00:58:20,267 --> 00:58:22,336
I'm just asking questions.
721
00:58:22,436 --> 00:58:25,272
Movies and TV and comic books
722
00:58:25,373 --> 00:58:29,977
have trained us for decades
to look behind the scenes
for the hidden hand.
723
00:58:30,644 --> 00:58:34,715
It just makes stories
more interesting
and it's perfect for our brains,
724
00:58:35,883 --> 00:58:38,185
cause and effect patterns.
725
00:58:38,452 --> 00:58:42,690
If something happens, it's
because someone wanted
it to happen.
726
00:58:42,790 --> 00:58:44,025
Randomness, coincidences.
727
00:58:44,125 --> 00:58:45,826
There's nothing interesting
about that.
728
00:58:45,926 --> 00:58:48,863
Oh, and if you don't
see the patterns,
if you think a coincidence
729
00:58:48,963 --> 00:58:54,035
is just a coincidence, there's
an explanation for that.
You're a sheep.
730
00:58:54,135 --> 00:58:57,905
And I asked him how he felt
about the whole thing.
731
00:58:58,339 --> 00:59:01,542
Did he actually think
that these people were willing
732
00:59:01,642 --> 00:59:04,912
to kill women and children
just to make him look bad?
733
00:59:05,713 --> 00:59:08,182
And he said, I was naive, like
used to be.
734
00:59:09,083 --> 00:59:12,253
And I honestly didn't know
anything about corruption
and I didn't know
735
00:59:12,353 --> 00:59:17,124
how far people were
willing to go
just to, you know, stop change.
736
00:59:17,858 --> 00:59:21,595
He said that he needed to be
ready to go as far as they were.
737
00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:25,399
That was a shift in him.
738
00:59:37,578 --> 00:59:40,181
The companies
decided that they needed
739
00:59:40,281 --> 00:59:43,451
to signal that they were in the
right side of the Warden issue.
740
00:59:43,552 --> 00:59:46,654
You saw the Warden sign in
people's profile pictures.
741
00:59:46,787 --> 00:59:49,390
You saw the resignations
at different companies.
742
00:59:49,590 --> 00:59:51,625
You could feel the temperature
rising.
743
01:01:31,759 --> 01:01:34,596
In these circles, there was
this feeling
744
01:01:35,162 --> 01:01:38,199
that the walls were closing in
on the bad guys.
745
01:01:39,066 --> 01:01:41,670
And it kept everything
at this fever pitch.
746
01:01:42,303 --> 01:01:46,006
There were these incidents
where teachers, middle school
or high school teachers
747
01:01:46,473 --> 01:01:51,145
would say something
that sounded skeptical of Warden
748
01:01:51,245 --> 01:01:54,148
or some of the actions
he seemed to be endorsing.
749
01:01:54,683 --> 01:01:56,984
And some student would hear it
posted on
750
01:01:57,084 --> 01:02:00,821
social media and there would
be a wave of harassment.
751
01:02:01,755 --> 01:02:03,123
See, the Internet
752
01:02:03,224 --> 01:02:06,393
was the perfect hothouse
for these things to grow in.
753
01:02:06,493 --> 01:02:09,196
Some of those teachers
had to leave the city.
754
01:02:10,231 --> 01:02:14,101
I can tell you the city
felt tense in a way I'd
never experienced before.
755
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:18,939
One day you'll see Warden
walking down, shaking hands
756
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:22,776
and talking about
how we're all cleaning
this place up.
757
01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:26,480
The next day, you'd see them
fighting wildfires
or rescuing people
758
01:02:26,581 --> 01:02:30,184
in mudslides, just in case
you forgot what he
could do to you
759
01:02:30,284 --> 01:02:33,087
if you didn't get with the
program.
760
01:02:37,626 --> 01:02:40,127
So at this time,
every time you talk to him,
761
01:02:40,227 --> 01:02:45,032
it would be about his enemies,
his enemies in this
radio station
762
01:02:45,132 --> 01:02:48,402
or, you know, the office
that's working against him and.
763
01:02:49,638 --> 01:02:52,273
I really wanted to be on his
side.
764
01:02:52,373 --> 01:02:56,443
You know, I really wanted our
relationship to be something
apart from all of this.
765
01:02:56,578 --> 01:02:59,313
And it was actually the point
of keeping it a secret.
766
01:02:59,547 --> 01:03:02,149
But at this point,
I just feel like
he's testing me.
767
01:03:02,283 --> 01:03:05,587
He'd want to see my phone.
He'd want to know who
I was talking to.
768
01:03:07,288 --> 01:03:08,822
And at some point
769
01:03:08,922 --> 01:03:11,425
in the streets I
started noticing
some people following me.
770
01:03:11,959 --> 01:03:14,729
So I went back home and I asked
him
771
01:03:16,497 --> 01:03:19,567
and he said, Yes,
it's for your own safety.
772
01:03:22,469 --> 01:03:24,905
That was the limit for me.
773
01:03:25,005 --> 01:03:28,809
I told him he was turning
into someone I didn't know
and that he really needed
774
01:03:28,909 --> 01:03:32,046
to think if he wanted
to keep going on a path
775
01:03:32,146 --> 01:03:36,917
that was making him so
unhappy in that I definitely
wasn't going with him
776
01:03:37,686 --> 01:03:40,755
and I didn't really see myself
anywhere in here.
777
01:03:42,022 --> 01:03:44,592
I always think it's ironic
that when you have a leader
778
01:03:44,693 --> 01:03:49,263
who sees plotters and coups
everywhere, it becomes a
self-fulfilling prophecy.
779
01:03:49,664 --> 01:03:51,198
And the more they lash out
780
01:03:51,298 --> 01:03:53,934
at their imaginary enemies,
the more real enemies they make.
781
01:04:09,049 --> 01:04:11,385
I had been talking to Davi on
background
782
01:04:11,485 --> 01:04:14,988
and I told him about
this conversation
I had with a police officer.
783
01:04:15,623 --> 01:04:19,059
He'd gotten a call and gone to
the scene.
784
01:04:20,861 --> 01:04:23,732
The suspect essentially
785
01:04:24,865 --> 01:04:28,302
it been what I would describe
as tortured and killed
by Warden.
786
01:04:29,036 --> 01:04:33,874
But the officer decides
to investigate
a little further and he realizes
787
01:04:34,241 --> 01:04:36,477
and he has the proof
788
01:04:36,578 --> 01:04:39,647
that Warden got the wrong guy.
789
01:04:39,748 --> 01:04:42,517
It tortured and killed an
innocent man.
790
01:04:44,485 --> 01:04:48,422
It's just. Beyond words.
791
01:04:49,691 --> 01:04:51,626
So the officer, you know,
792
01:04:51,726 --> 01:04:54,294
does the paperwork, files the
report
793
01:04:54,863 --> 01:04:58,899
and his boss tells him
to destroy all the evidence.
794
01:05:00,067 --> 01:05:02,302
So he goes to his boss. His
boss and.
795
01:05:02,570 --> 01:05:07,341
And what they on this guy's
table is a photo of him
shaking hands with Warden.
796
01:05:08,041 --> 01:05:12,913
So the officer takes one
look at that photo and decides
797
01:05:14,081 --> 01:05:16,417
it's clearly not safe for me
to know what I know.
798
01:05:18,586 --> 01:05:20,254
So I'm going to shut up.
799
01:05:20,588 --> 01:05:23,558
It wasn't just police officers
that were starting to talk.
800
01:05:24,091 --> 01:05:29,029
It was like a handful of people
in the State Attorney
General's office,
801
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:34,435
a handful of people in the
courts, a few teachers, a
bunch of journalists.
802
01:05:37,304 --> 01:05:39,741
At this point, everyone is
communicating separately.
803
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,879
There's this feeling of paranoia
that if the wrong person
804
01:05:44,978 --> 01:05:48,482
gets wind of this,
something terrible could
happen to you.
805
01:05:49,082 --> 01:05:51,485
It's called the coordination
problem.
806
01:05:51,586 --> 01:05:55,155
Nobody wants to be the
soldier that jumps out of a
trench and gets gunned down.
807
01:05:55,590 --> 01:05:58,025
But if everybody jumps out
at the same time,
808
01:05:58,125 --> 01:06:00,795
there's a decent chance
that some of
them will make it to the target.
809
01:06:01,328 --> 01:06:05,700
The problem is, how do
you know anybody's
going to jump out with you,
810
01:06:06,433 --> 01:06:09,604
especially when you don't even
know who else is in the trench?
811
01:06:21,081 --> 01:06:24,384
After I told Davi about this
story.
812
01:06:24,919 --> 01:06:28,989
He said to me, You know,
there are other
people who had similar stories.
813
01:06:29,089 --> 01:06:31,559
I said, How many?
814
01:06:31,659 --> 01:06:32,993
There were a lot.
815
01:06:34,328 --> 01:06:35,496
He showed me a video,
816
01:06:35,830 --> 01:06:40,334
something the Brazilian
Hero producers tried to bury.
817
01:06:40,434 --> 01:06:44,271
There's a man and he's taunting
Warden
818
01:06:45,439 --> 01:06:49,644
and Warden just snapped. Killed
him.
819
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:58,285
I felt sick.
820
01:07:11,064 --> 01:07:14,969
So I guess you could say
I'm getting used to this
superhero thing.
821
01:07:15,068 --> 01:07:18,438
I've stopped some bad guys
and helped to fix my hometown,
822
01:07:18,706 --> 01:07:22,042
and I've learned more about my
powers.
823
01:07:22,376 --> 01:07:26,581
More importantly,
I've gotten to connect
with people. Still.
824
01:07:26,981 --> 01:07:29,984
It's a funny thing
being called a superhero
all the time.
825
01:07:30,852 --> 01:07:33,487
Maybe this is the year
when everything changes.
826
01:07:43,397 --> 01:07:46,099
I was in the front yard
when my wife called out to me.
827
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:47,936
Turn the news on.
828
01:07:48,201 --> 01:07:49,737
And I thought, oh, shit.
829
01:07:49,837 --> 01:07:52,674
Disturbing images
emerging today from what sources
830
01:07:52,774 --> 01:07:54,943
and the prosecutor's office
in Nova, Sao Paulo
831
01:07:55,043 --> 01:07:58,913
say was an act of
brutality carried out by Warden.
832
01:08:14,629 --> 01:08:18,900
Guard the skeletons in Warden's
closet, Literally
and figuratively.
833
01:08:25,138 --> 01:08:28,509
I walked away that morning.
834
01:08:29,077 --> 01:08:30,845
You know, it comes to a point
where
835
01:08:30,945 --> 01:08:34,348
the whole thing that
you've constructed,
something gets inside
836
01:08:34,448 --> 01:08:37,250
and it's just really easy
to tear the whole thing down.
837
01:08:38,553 --> 01:08:42,222
He had been calling me and
texting me the whole day,
but I wasn't answering.
838
01:08:42,322 --> 01:08:46,794
So he showed up at my apartment,
just furious that
these people for,
839
01:08:46,995 --> 01:08:50,632
you know, try and destroy him
and at me for being
on their side.
840
01:08:52,499 --> 01:08:56,070
And I told him I was done
and he didn't like that.
841
01:08:56,470 --> 01:09:01,676
And honestly, that was. Scary.
842
01:09:01,776 --> 01:09:04,512
He said that there were people
trying to hurt me, that he was
843
01:09:04,612 --> 01:09:06,914
the only one keeping me safe
844
01:09:07,649 --> 01:09:10,918
and I wasn't saying anything. I
was done.
845
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,589
So he got really quiet
846
01:09:14,689 --> 01:09:17,525
and he said, You're
not a part of this anymore.
847
01:09:18,425 --> 01:09:20,795
And then he just left.
848
01:09:21,763 --> 01:09:23,831
Reports from Brazil that Warden
has left
849
01:09:23,931 --> 01:09:28,268
Nova Sao Paulo amid
a wave of explosive
allegations in recent days.
850
01:09:28,368 --> 01:09:31,673
We knew immediately
that this was
the product of a sophisticated
851
01:09:31,773 --> 01:09:36,144
media operation and there
was really no effort to
hide it or hide the agenda.
852
01:09:38,846 --> 01:09:43,450
I think that people from
Nova Sao Paulo saw right
through it. I really do.
853
01:09:44,384 --> 01:09:47,021
But the national media
has its own imperatives. Right?
854
01:09:48,056 --> 01:09:49,289
And they smell the story.
855
01:12:28,716 --> 01:12:34,454
7:14 a.m... A search warrant
was issued for the Justice
Initiative Building.
856
01:12:34,555 --> 01:12:38,526
At 7:20, the military police
deployed its forces to
857
01:12:38,626 --> 01:12:40,728
Sao Paulo to take him into
custody.
858
01:13:58,806 --> 01:14:02,343
The police had assembled their
forces along a two kilometer
859
01:14:02,442 --> 01:14:06,180
perimeter around a building
sort of sending a message like,
860
01:14:06,614 --> 01:14:09,283
look, we are serious,
but we don't have to do this.
861
01:14:11,652 --> 01:14:13,888
That's when Warden showed up.
862
01:14:13,988 --> 01:14:17,658
This was the first time anybody
had seen him since the
story came out,
863
01:15:35,803 --> 01:15:37,371
In his mind.
864
01:15:37,805 --> 01:15:40,141
This is the ultimate battle,
865
01:15:40,241 --> 01:15:41,809
good versus evil.
866
01:15:41,909 --> 01:15:44,412
He's defending his city.
867
01:15:44,513 --> 01:15:47,014
This is what superheroes do.
868
01:15:47,381 --> 01:15:51,952
The police basic doctrine
was we acknowledge
869
01:15:52,053 --> 01:15:56,457
that any one officer, any
hundred is no match for Warden.
870
01:15:56,891 --> 01:15:58,559
But he can't be everywhere at
once.
871
01:15:58,659 --> 01:16:02,463
So we're going to advance and
presume that he is not going
872
01:16:02,563 --> 01:16:06,300
to start a bloodbath
with thousands
of civilian lives on the line.
873
01:16:07,168 --> 01:16:09,603
And we're going to dare
him to fire the first shot.
874
01:16:11,272 --> 01:16:12,440
He accepted.
875
01:16:16,110 --> 01:16:17,111
I didn't think
876
01:16:17,546 --> 01:16:20,114
whether it was safe from the
studio.
877
01:16:21,015 --> 01:16:25,352
It was just these words
repeating over and over
"just get through it".
878
01:16:25,453 --> 01:16:27,288
"just get through it"
879
01:16:27,388 --> 01:16:29,924
It takes 2 hours for the Army
to take the first block.
880
01:16:30,024 --> 01:16:32,426
Fighting continues
to rage in Nova Sao Paulo.
881
01:16:32,527 --> 01:16:36,630
Well, after dark, the
White House issuing a
statement urging all sides.
882
01:16:37,898 --> 01:16:39,700
It was taking its toll.
883
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,670
A big toll was police against
civilians.
884
01:16:42,770 --> 01:16:46,974
Warden was doing damage
but trying to avoid
a body count.
885
01:16:47,074 --> 01:16:51,045
Shocking images of violence
in the streets
of Nova Sao Paulo as residents
886
01:16:51,145 --> 01:16:54,181
gathered as an act of
protest that appears
to have descended into violence.
887
01:16:54,281 --> 01:16:56,050
This brawl.
888
01:16:56,484 --> 01:16:59,086
People in masks just tearing
into each other.
889
01:17:08,729 --> 01:17:10,698
As bad as it was for the police.
890
01:17:10,798 --> 01:17:13,467
They're taking territory,
they're holding it,
891
01:17:13,734 --> 01:17:16,137
and they're pacifying
the civilian population.
892
01:17:16,504 --> 01:17:20,141
Finally that evening,
they have a tight cordon
around Warden's
893
01:17:20,241 --> 01:17:24,044
building and more police units
mobilizing.
894
01:17:24,245 --> 01:17:25,813
He's surrounded.
895
01:17:25,913 --> 01:17:27,214
He's not going anywhere.
896
01:17:27,314 --> 01:17:29,683
Now, this is the dilemma.
897
01:17:30,151 --> 01:17:31,752
There's only one way into that
building.
898
01:17:32,853 --> 01:17:36,991
And the police know that
they're not going in
there without losing
899
01:17:37,592 --> 01:17:41,061
hundreds of troops
and possibly more civilians.
900
01:17:41,195 --> 01:17:44,832
They're not going to be able to
arrest Warden. It's a siege.
901
01:17:45,699 --> 01:17:48,002
And the plan was to see
how far Warden would go.
902
01:17:54,509 --> 01:17:56,611
And now you've got pressure
on the Governor.
903
01:17:56,844 --> 01:17:58,613
You've got the President
calling.
904
01:17:58,712 --> 01:18:02,016
You've got casualties, damage
in the water and power
905
01:18:02,116 --> 01:18:05,520
supplies, the possibility of
unrest in other cities.
906
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,889
Everything is pushing
toward a fast resolution.
907
01:18:08,989 --> 01:18:13,260
And I think it occurred to
a lot of people, especially
around Warden,
908
01:18:14,061 --> 01:18:16,565
that times like these times of
crisis
909
01:18:17,364 --> 01:18:20,868
are when you get to make the big
changes to your wish list.
910
01:18:20,968 --> 01:18:22,236
Warden did his part
911
01:18:23,304 --> 01:18:26,307
and he faced those policemen,
thousands of them, outside
his building,
912
01:18:26,740 --> 01:18:30,244
and he made it clear
that he wasn't going
to abandon his city.
913
01:18:30,579 --> 01:18:33,615
My job was to make sure
that this incursion
914
01:18:34,248 --> 01:18:36,383
didn't turn into facts on the
ground.
915
01:18:50,864 --> 01:18:52,601
This was the deal.
916
01:18:53,033 --> 01:18:56,571
The state would withdraw
all of its
emergency forces out of the city
917
01:18:57,204 --> 01:19:00,174
and the state will allow
the city to govern its
affairs in accordance
918
01:19:00,274 --> 01:19:02,776
with the wishes of
the people who lived here.
919
01:19:03,043 --> 01:19:05,446
That meant holding a vote, a
plebiscite.
920
01:19:05,879 --> 01:19:09,684
The people from Nova Sao
Paulo would decide
whether to investigate Warden
921
01:19:09,917 --> 01:19:13,854
or give him the legal tools
he needed to best serve the city
922
01:19:14,121 --> 01:19:15,690
and to the rest of the country.
923
01:19:15,789 --> 01:19:17,458
It was a statement
We want our business,
you mind yours
924
01:19:20,060 --> 01:19:22,963
and by our example
we'll show you
that we've got the better way.
925
01:19:23,063 --> 01:19:24,798
Voters in Nova Sao Paulo
926
01:19:24,898 --> 01:19:28,269
They'll decide whether
to grant Warden
sweeping new powers or leave
927
01:19:28,369 --> 01:19:29,970
the justice system intact.
928
01:19:30,070 --> 01:19:32,172
Warden has promised
to abide by the result,
929
01:19:32,273 --> 01:19:36,578
even if a no vote would force
him to face prosecution by
the state government.
930
01:20:20,454 --> 01:20:24,358
There's this thing that a lot of
us think that the king,
931
01:20:24,925 --> 01:20:28,429
the emperor, just marches
up to the throne
and says, I'm in charge now.
932
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:31,065
But that's not true.
933
01:20:31,165 --> 01:20:33,067
That's not how it happens.
934
01:20:33,167 --> 01:20:37,639
The first Roman emperor
was given his powers
one at a time
935
01:20:37,871 --> 01:20:43,177
by the Senate to save the
republic.
936
01:20:43,277 --> 01:20:45,446
They didn't even call him the
emperor.
937
01:20:45,547 --> 01:20:47,948
They called him the Princeps.
938
01:20:48,048 --> 01:20:50,518
It meant first citizen.
939
01:20:50,851 --> 01:20:53,788
On the surface, it was the
status quo.
940
01:20:54,355 --> 01:20:58,058
But behind the scenes, Warden
had been given a state
within a state,
941
01:20:58,992 --> 01:21:00,595
he could run things his way.
942
01:21:00,695 --> 01:21:03,197
Whatever that meant on any given
day, and anybody who didn't like
943
01:21:03,297 --> 01:21:05,633
could just get the hell out.
944
01:21:07,134 --> 01:21:09,370
I left as soon as the fighting
stopped.
945
01:21:10,839 --> 01:21:14,108
It felt like witness protection,
946
01:21:14,542 --> 01:21:18,445
you know, new city, new home,
new friends.
947
01:21:19,179 --> 01:21:22,617
And I know that if he wants to,
he'll find me or
it'll be someone
948
01:21:22,717 --> 01:21:25,687
he doesn't even know
who wants to be part of
the movement. But.
949
01:21:27,421 --> 01:21:30,891
I wanted to tell the truth
first.
950
01:22:14,101 --> 01:22:17,539
I have been told the execs
from our parent company
were flying
951
01:22:17,639 --> 01:22:22,342
in the next morning to
meet with my producers
, so I knew that wasn't good.
952
01:22:22,911 --> 01:22:26,180
People were already trying
to get me off the air.
953
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,015
I was a liability.
954
01:22:28,115 --> 01:22:30,552
And with the meeting happening,
955
01:22:31,151 --> 01:22:35,956
I pretty much knew that night
would be my last broadcast.
956
01:22:36,758 --> 01:22:38,893
They were shooting right at the
messenger.
957
01:22:38,992 --> 01:22:43,865
So I received a call from my
boss in the UK headquarters.
958
01:22:44,566 --> 01:22:48,870
So very polite conversation
wherein I was informed
959
01:22:49,503 --> 01:22:54,876
that the owners had essentially
terminated
960
01:22:55,242 --> 01:22:58,412
the whole newsroom in Brazil,
effective immediately.
961
01:22:59,079 --> 01:23:04,218
You look at the news coverage
since we left, I think
Warden's been pretty happy.
962
01:23:04,318 --> 01:23:07,956
Warden was about
controlling the message.
But look
963
01:23:09,289 --> 01:23:11,826
Yeah. What's that line?
964
01:23:12,292 --> 01:23:14,995
Democracy is the theory that.
965
01:23:16,296 --> 01:23:18,600
People know what they want
966
01:23:18,700 --> 01:23:23,036
and deserve to get it good and
hard.
967
01:23:25,773 --> 01:23:29,009
I think people. Got what they
asked for.
968
01:23:36,283 --> 01:23:39,621
I was very proud of the work
I done as a state
attorney general.
969
01:23:40,487 --> 01:23:42,256
But after speaking with Warden,
970
01:23:42,356 --> 01:23:45,192
we came to the conclusion
that I would best serve
the city as Mayor.
971
01:23:45,793 --> 01:23:48,362
And fortunately, people agreed.
972
01:23:48,462 --> 01:23:52,065
And I think all the work we did
speaks for itself.
973
01:23:53,801 --> 01:23:55,302
There's no denying that.
974
01:23:55,402 --> 01:23:58,606
Nova Paulo, the city
that Romeu Filho and Warden
975
01:23:58,706 --> 01:24:01,041
are building will impress you.
976
01:24:02,075 --> 01:24:04,378
It wants to impress you.
977
01:24:04,913 --> 01:24:07,649
Its skyline is its own message.
978
01:24:07,749 --> 01:24:10,450
Look at what we can do.
979
01:24:10,552 --> 01:24:13,287
It's one part Singapore, one
part Sparta.
980
01:24:13,922 --> 01:24:16,591
In this state of perpetual high
alert,
981
01:24:16,991 --> 01:24:21,663
looking every day for attacks
from without and traitors
from within.
982
01:24:21,763 --> 01:24:24,732
There it is. He has his city.
983
01:24:25,332 --> 01:24:27,869
He enforces the law his way.
984
01:24:28,770 --> 01:24:33,073
Frankly, I think it's the
perfect expression of
what a superhero is.
985
01:24:33,741 --> 01:24:36,109
A lot of it, you'll
recognize, looks the same.
986
01:24:36,209 --> 01:24:39,079
But there's an iron curtain.
987
01:24:39,179 --> 01:24:43,317
You don't get a lot of news
that's real. You get rumors.
988
01:24:43,751 --> 01:24:47,354
Now, Warden is doing less
and less public appearances.
989
01:24:47,454 --> 01:24:49,489
He is spending more time alone.
990
01:24:49,591 --> 01:24:52,994
He's angrier. He's paranoid.
991
01:24:53,093 --> 01:24:55,462
He sees enemies and rats
everywhere.
992
01:24:55,563 --> 01:24:58,666
Ever since people came forward
about him.
993
01:24:58,766 --> 01:25:02,135
Now, if you live in Nova Sao
Paulo,
994
01:25:02,604 --> 01:25:05,773
you're going to think twice
before criticizing Warden.
995
01:25:05,873 --> 01:25:07,775
And if you read anything about
the city,
996
01:25:07,875 --> 01:25:10,845
it's because Warden
allowed it to be published.
997
01:25:11,278 --> 01:25:14,782
Anything else gets branded
a conspiracy theory
and shouted down.
998
01:25:15,550 --> 01:25:18,686
So the truth is getting
murkier and murkier,
999
01:25:19,787 --> 01:25:24,559
and the collective sense of
reality is slipping away.
1000
01:26:04,632 --> 01:26:07,769
You hear his obsessed with his
legacy.
1001
01:26:07,869 --> 01:26:10,905
He needs to know what comes
after him.
1002
01:26:11,005 --> 01:26:12,840
You hear about researchers.
1003
01:26:12,940 --> 01:26:17,679
He has them doing experiments
trying to duplicate
whatever made him
1004
01:26:17,779 --> 01:26:20,280
everything he swore not to do.
1005
01:26:20,380 --> 01:26:26,020
Criminals. Suspects disappear,
but
1006
01:26:26,954 --> 01:26:30,692
We don't know that. Romeu Filho
keeps it under guard
1007
01:26:32,060 --> 01:26:33,861
the new way can't be wrong.
1008
01:26:34,696 --> 01:26:36,396
It's still too much
to gain for the winners.
1009
01:26:36,496 --> 01:26:40,802
So the message from everyone
every day, business, news
1010
01:26:41,201 --> 01:26:42,737
is that the city is thriving.
1011
01:26:42,837 --> 01:26:45,238
The city is safe.
1012
01:26:45,338 --> 01:26:47,407
The city is defying its critics.
1013
01:26:47,508 --> 01:26:50,712
It's silenced the doubts.
It's kicked out the traitors.
1014
01:26:50,812 --> 01:26:52,647
It's found a better way.
1015
01:26:52,747 --> 01:26:54,048
It has its Warden.
1016
01:26:55,550 --> 01:26:58,351
And now the real work can begin.
89687
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