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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,134 --> 00:00:07,107 ? 2 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:38,105 So back when you started, there were some doubts, right? 3 00:00:38,305 --> 00:00:39,373 Were there? 4 00:00:39,974 --> 00:00:41,108 I hadn't heard. 5 00:00:41,408 --> 00:00:43,711 So that's news to you? I know. 6 00:00:44,344 --> 00:00:47,414 What would you like to say to those people who think, well, 7 00:00:47,515 --> 00:00:49,651 I like what this guy's doing, but... 8 00:00:49,751 --> 00:00:53,053 I've elected people to represent me who should be doing this job? 9 00:00:53,588 --> 00:00:56,791 Everything, All the criticism that I've heard of what I'm doing, it 10 00:00:56,891 --> 00:01:00,028 basically boils down to, well, what about the system? 11 00:01:00,227 --> 00:01:02,296 Trust the system. 12 00:01:02,730 --> 00:01:06,066 The system wasn't representing people. But I am. 13 00:01:09,837 --> 00:01:12,707 Daniel didn't really have much to say about himself at first, 14 00:01:12,807 --> 00:01:16,511 so it was really on the journalists in Brazil to find out who he was 15 00:01:16,611 --> 00:01:19,079 and how he came to be that way. 16 00:01:21,683 --> 00:01:23,183 There wasn't anything about him 17 00:01:23,283 --> 00:01:26,420 growing up that would make you think this guy's different. 18 00:01:26,521 --> 00:01:31,124 It was comics, video games and football. 19 00:01:33,895 --> 00:01:36,965 He never talked to anybody about it, any of his friends. 20 00:01:37,297 --> 00:01:39,000 But at some point he just started, 21 00:01:39,099 --> 00:01:41,536 you know, avoiding physical activities at school. 22 00:01:41,636 --> 00:01:44,237 He said he was bored with them. 23 00:01:47,775 --> 00:01:50,945 Definitely not one of the cool kids in school. 24 00:01:51,713 --> 00:01:54,015 But he do these things when we hung out 25 00:01:55,148 --> 00:01:58,318 and I thought it was hilarious because he didn't even care. 26 00:01:59,721 --> 00:02:01,990 He's almost the archetype, 27 00:02:02,090 --> 00:02:06,060 the lost soul, the outsider who suddenly discovers, Hey, 28 00:02:06,460 --> 00:02:11,699 I can have control over my own life in a very big, very powerful way. 29 00:02:12,634 --> 00:02:16,804 Superhero comics and movies have given him the tools to say. 30 00:02:18,106 --> 00:02:19,306 I'm a superhero. 31 00:02:26,648 --> 00:02:28,348 Do they like you? I don't know. 32 00:02:33,588 --> 00:02:35,188 Word also started to get out 33 00:02:35,288 --> 00:02:38,425 pretty quickly about the crime numbers the city was posting. 34 00:02:38,526 --> 00:02:41,395 and we had posted double digit declines 35 00:02:41,495 --> 00:02:43,263 that began to attract a lot of attention. 36 00:02:54,709 --> 00:02:56,209 He's a global celebrity. 37 00:02:57,111 --> 00:03:00,014 And, you know, against like all of the good. 38 00:03:00,114 --> 00:03:01,916 he's doing, the complaints? 39 00:03:02,215 --> 00:03:03,918 They're less than a footnote. 40 00:03:04,018 --> 00:03:07,454 If you want to understand why he became so popular so quickly, 41 00:03:07,555 --> 00:03:09,557 all you have to do is look at his background. 42 00:03:21,903 --> 00:03:23,805 And they find out 43 00:03:23,905 --> 00:03:26,974 we've been living right under our noses in Nova Sao Paulo his whole life. 44 00:03:27,075 --> 00:03:31,478 But as you'd expect, it's the story about his birth that's unusual. 45 00:03:32,013 --> 00:03:35,616 His biological parents are from the state of Pernambuco, 46 00:03:35,983 --> 00:03:38,452 and we find out they both passed away 47 00:03:38,553 --> 00:03:41,122 from something that looks like radiation poisoning. 48 00:03:41,823 --> 00:03:45,225 The father right before his birth, mother just after 49 00:03:46,226 --> 00:03:47,995 and when no family 50 00:03:48,096 --> 00:03:51,498 surfaces to take the baby, he's placed into the foster care system. 51 00:03:51,899 --> 00:03:54,969 A family adopts him, and from what we can tell, he grows up 52 00:03:55,335 --> 00:03:57,437 normally under the circumstances. 53 00:04:18,258 --> 00:04:22,295 So we were in college by then, and one day he just stopped going to class. 54 00:04:22,395 --> 00:04:25,365 So when I texted him, he told me that he'd been thinking 55 00:04:25,465 --> 00:04:28,803 a lot about the way his mom was killed. 56 00:04:29,402 --> 00:04:33,040 I thought that was weird because he never really talked about her. 57 00:04:54,562 --> 00:04:58,331 He told me that he needed some time off and he wanted to, 58 00:04:59,066 --> 00:05:01,169 you know, figure out who he really was. 59 00:05:21,022 --> 00:05:25,392 He's discovering this strength, this speed, the fact that nothing seems to hurt it. 60 00:05:25,593 --> 00:05:28,563 We don't know when he first noticed there was something different about him, 61 00:05:28,663 --> 00:05:32,033 but we do know he threw himself into figuring out what to do with it. 62 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:41,175 it almost perfectly fits the contours of the classic superhero origin story. 63 00:05:41,542 --> 00:05:45,146 Now, if you're somebody who doesn't have these things, that's a perfect fantasy. 64 00:05:45,445 --> 00:05:49,517 And that's why superhero stories connect with so many of us. 65 00:05:49,951 --> 00:05:54,522 And now along comes someone who gets to live that story. 66 00:05:56,190 --> 00:05:58,425 So what is he thinking about? 67 00:05:58,993 --> 00:06:01,162 He's growing up reading comic books like the rest of us. 68 00:06:01,729 --> 00:06:07,367 And what those have done is given him a sort of decoder key for reality. 69 00:06:07,735 --> 00:06:10,838 Oh, now I understand why I'm like this. 70 00:06:11,038 --> 00:06:13,040 Now I understand why I'm feeling this way. 71 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:15,676 Now I understand what I should do. 72 00:06:16,210 --> 00:06:19,046 And what is it that superheroes do? 73 00:06:19,146 --> 00:06:21,549 They fight villains. 74 00:06:38,833 --> 00:06:41,335 It was only like four years ago. 75 00:06:41,434 --> 00:06:43,938 I had been an anchor on CNE for three years. 76 00:06:47,775 --> 00:06:51,012 You start thinking you've seen everything, even the bus hijacking. 77 00:06:51,946 --> 00:06:53,848 So that wasn't a surprise. 78 00:06:53,948 --> 00:06:57,585 But what happened next? That was. 79 00:06:57,685 --> 00:07:00,388 A bus hijacking in Nova Sao Paulo, Brazil. 80 00:07:00,487 --> 00:07:02,422 Coming to a surprising conclusion... 81 00:07:02,523 --> 00:07:04,859 ...a man appears to have leapt through the bus window 82 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:09,764 at an inconceivable speed, stopping the hijacker before disappearing. 83 00:07:09,864 --> 00:07:13,301 And then the gunman just goes like flying off the bus. 84 00:07:13,401 --> 00:07:16,537 And this... I guess I would call him a kid. 85 00:07:16,637 --> 00:07:18,940 This kid steps off, like totally calm, 86 00:07:21,542 --> 00:07:24,078 like he just got to his stop. 87 00:07:24,211 --> 00:07:27,447 An astonishing story out of Nova Sao Paulo, Brazil. 88 00:07:27,548 --> 00:07:29,984 It was like a scene out of a superhero movie. 89 00:07:30,418 --> 00:07:33,621 The attention of the entire world has turned to the Brazilian city 90 00:07:33,721 --> 00:07:35,756 and to the vigilante hero from last... 91 00:07:47,234 --> 00:07:50,871 The vigilante named Daniel Dias has left scientists 92 00:07:50,972 --> 00:07:54,141 in disbelief with a slew of abilities that seem more at home. 93 00:07:54,241 --> 00:07:56,310 In a comic... He can leap hundreds of meters. 94 00:07:56,410 --> 00:07:59,647 He runs faster than the speed of sound, and he's strong enough 95 00:07:59,747 --> 00:08:02,717 to bend solid metal. 96 00:08:02,817 --> 00:08:05,519 What we don't know about him, how he exists. 97 00:08:07,655 --> 00:08:11,325 So the day after the bus. 98 00:08:11,659 --> 00:08:16,864 After he introduced himself to the camera, he walks in as if, 99 00:08:16,964 --> 00:08:19,867 you know, nothing happened, like... 100 00:08:23,537 --> 00:08:26,507 and, oh my God, before he even gets to the door. 101 00:08:26,607 --> 00:08:29,777 I mean, for a shy kid, this 102 00:08:29,877 --> 00:08:32,680 moment is the moment that you dream of. 103 00:08:33,047 --> 00:08:34,548 He was the hero. 104 00:08:34,648 --> 00:08:38,085 Everybody at school knew his name and not just at school. 105 00:08:38,853 --> 00:08:43,624 Now is the biggest story in the world is a comic book come to life. 106 00:08:43,724 --> 00:08:45,026 He's a celebrity. 107 00:08:45,126 --> 00:08:48,863 Everybody wanted to be the childhood friend. 108 00:08:48,963 --> 00:08:51,766 Everyone had this one story about the one time 109 00:08:51,866 --> 00:08:56,137 they had talked and how from just that they knew how special he was. 110 00:08:57,638 --> 00:09:00,674 Definitely news to him how many friends he had. 111 00:09:01,542 --> 00:09:06,013 We know because we've read the same comics and seen the same movies that he has. 112 00:09:06,380 --> 00:09:11,185 That celebrity is something he must have anticipated since it began. 113 00:09:11,485 --> 00:09:14,989 But there are different ways of interacting with the public. 114 00:09:15,089 --> 00:09:17,058 There's the Bruce Wayne model 115 00:09:17,158 --> 00:09:19,627 where I'm a celebrity in everyday life, but nobody knows I'm Batman. 116 00:09:20,061 --> 00:09:22,930 Then there's the Peter Parker model where I'm the totally anonymous, 117 00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:24,965 mild mannered high school student. 118 00:09:25,066 --> 00:09:26,333 Oh, there's the Tony Stark model 119 00:09:26,434 --> 00:09:29,570 where it's like, Hey, I am Iron Man. 120 00:09:30,337 --> 00:09:33,474 I think if you look at the world today at digital technology, 121 00:09:33,574 --> 00:09:36,677 you think I'm going to spend half my energy protecting my secret identity, 122 00:09:36,777 --> 00:09:38,612 then order 50 sets of matching long underwear 123 00:09:38,712 --> 00:09:41,082 and somebody is just going to find out who I am anyway. 124 00:09:41,182 --> 00:09:43,017 I'll pass on the whole Bruce Wayne thing. 125 00:09:44,218 --> 00:09:46,120 As a public figure, at least 126 00:09:46,220 --> 00:09:49,356 you go into a restaurant and you get drinks on the house. 127 00:09:49,757 --> 00:09:52,126 You know, you get the perks. 128 00:10:35,769 --> 00:10:37,638 There's this big question 129 00:10:37,738 --> 00:10:40,708 What's someone with Daniel's ability supposed to do in the real world? 130 00:10:41,108 --> 00:10:42,910 If you want to make money, 131 00:10:43,010 --> 00:10:46,480 the first thing I think is probably I should play a professional sport. 132 00:10:46,615 --> 00:10:50,417 But as soon as there's even a whisper of that, the International Olympic 133 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:55,557 Committee, the players associations in every sport, even in America, 134 00:10:55,923 --> 00:10:59,093 they make it known that he's not welcome to compete. 135 00:10:59,193 --> 00:11:02,763 So the next idea is from these American producers 136 00:11:03,164 --> 00:11:07,502 who try to sell him on the concept of a big live show, 137 00:11:08,269 --> 00:11:11,405 kind of a spectacle where he can show off his powers around the world. 138 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:14,808 That just is like a circus act. He passes. 139 00:11:15,142 --> 00:11:20,181 Some people were even trying to attach themselves to him from all Churches, 140 00:11:20,549 --> 00:11:26,787 the ones talking about like prophecy chosen one stuff that creeps him out. 141 00:11:27,188 --> 00:11:29,056 So if you never had a 142 00:11:29,156 --> 00:11:32,693 friend turn into an object of worship, I'll tell you right away. 143 00:11:32,793 --> 00:11:35,564 I had no idea what to tell him. 144 00:11:35,664 --> 00:11:38,600 I mean, he's trying really hard to be the same person 145 00:11:38,699 --> 00:11:41,835 he was, but his life looks nothing like it did before. 146 00:11:42,571 --> 00:11:45,806 You have people calling him a Savior, God. 147 00:11:46,974 --> 00:11:50,244 What do you tell your friend? 148 00:11:50,344 --> 00:11:52,547 I was like... 149 00:11:54,748 --> 00:11:56,250 Take the free stuff. 150 00:11:57,218 --> 00:11:59,453 You know, what would you say? 151 00:12:00,522 --> 00:12:05,560 But I think his dad was really the one reminding him, you have a gift. 152 00:12:05,859 --> 00:12:07,461 You can do things. 153 00:12:07,562 --> 00:12:09,830 Look what's happening in the country. 154 00:12:10,164 --> 00:12:12,433 You can tell he's kind of searching for meaning. 155 00:12:12,534 --> 00:12:16,036 And he's thinking, What's my way to go big? 156 00:12:17,371 --> 00:12:20,508 But in all these places, his response is. 157 00:12:21,875 --> 00:12:23,978 I don't want to be part of that. 158 00:12:24,345 --> 00:12:26,981 So you have a superhero. 159 00:12:27,381 --> 00:12:30,751 The first thing I think is he's got to fight crime, right? 160 00:12:31,118 --> 00:12:33,454 I think someone looked at him and figure. 161 00:12:33,688 --> 00:12:36,558 Sooner or later, this kid's going to be busts and bad guys. 162 00:12:37,091 --> 00:12:39,293 He might as well learn what's game's about. 163 00:12:39,393 --> 00:12:42,597 So they let him participate in some police operations. 164 00:12:43,130 --> 00:12:45,567 You'd seen his face. He loved it. 165 00:12:45,966 --> 00:12:48,969 Everybody loved it. 166 00:12:51,238 --> 00:12:54,074 What is a superhero? 167 00:12:54,743 --> 00:12:58,245 A superhero is someone who sacrifices for us. 168 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,651 Someone who can do the job alone. So we don't have to. 169 00:13:03,050 --> 00:13:07,388 Now, you can have superhero teams, but what you don't have is superheroes 170 00:13:07,488 --> 00:13:11,825 on teams. So every time he gets involved with an organization, 171 00:13:12,092 --> 00:13:14,495 there are these disagreements. 172 00:13:15,396 --> 00:13:17,364 He wants to do things his way. 173 00:13:17,464 --> 00:13:20,702 He feels like they're holding him back. And he's right. 174 00:13:20,801 --> 00:13:23,304 They are. I mean, he's a 175 00:13:24,405 --> 00:13:26,807 he's an unstoppable force. 176 00:13:26,907 --> 00:13:29,577 But that works both ways. 177 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:33,280 We had started talking a lot when he was out there trying out stuff. 178 00:13:33,682 --> 00:13:36,518 You know, every day would be a text. 179 00:13:36,618 --> 00:13:39,119 A meme, a video call. 180 00:13:39,219 --> 00:13:41,388 I like that he hadn't changed. 181 00:13:41,488 --> 00:13:43,558 If anyone had a right to change, it was him. 182 00:13:43,658 --> 00:13:46,026 But he was still the same person I knew growing up. 183 00:13:46,293 --> 00:13:47,995 You know, because he genuinely believed 184 00:13:48,095 --> 00:13:51,265 that he could do the right thing and that he would do the right thing. 185 00:13:51,533 --> 00:13:55,836 He just didn't feel this trust coming from the people making the decisions. 186 00:14:49,557 --> 00:14:52,893 That speech was when I first set up and realized this guy wasn't 187 00:14:52,993 --> 00:14:56,029 just some celebrity out there with a couple of models in his arms. 188 00:14:56,497 --> 00:14:58,899 He was somebody you got to pay attention to. 189 00:15:12,112 --> 00:15:13,848 That was it. 190 00:15:14,214 --> 00:15:15,750 One minute he was a celebrity. 191 00:15:15,850 --> 00:15:18,085 The next he was like. 192 00:15:18,185 --> 00:15:20,889 Well, no one really knew what it meant. 193 00:16:02,396 --> 00:16:04,899 I had no idea what he was going to do. 194 00:16:05,499 --> 00:16:08,268 You know, even as a kid, he was always the person 195 00:16:08,368 --> 00:16:11,138 who would take his own decisions without telling anybody. 196 00:16:11,238 --> 00:16:13,474 So this was pretty much like him. 197 00:16:13,808 --> 00:16:18,145 He also announces that he has a new name now, Warden. 198 00:16:19,079 --> 00:16:22,750 which means guardian. 199 00:16:25,185 --> 00:16:26,888 The superhero name. 200 00:16:27,287 --> 00:16:29,858 There's always been something about violence. 201 00:16:30,157 --> 00:16:32,727 Even defensive, necessary violence 202 00:16:33,126 --> 00:16:36,497 that was recognized as so foreign to civilized life. 203 00:16:37,231 --> 00:16:39,233 The life of the town, the life of the family 204 00:16:39,634 --> 00:16:43,805 that our fighters have always had to assume a different persona. 205 00:16:44,506 --> 00:16:47,241 Whether it's war paint or samurai masks 206 00:16:47,341 --> 00:16:50,845 or the codenames that our soldiers use when they talk to each other on the radio. 207 00:16:51,211 --> 00:16:55,349 When you're in that world where life and death are on the line, 208 00:16:56,450 --> 00:17:00,755 you need to become someone else. 209 00:17:00,855 --> 00:17:06,226 And sometimes that someone is a truer you. 210 00:17:06,326 --> 00:17:07,394 Warden. 211 00:17:07,862 --> 00:17:09,463 Obviously, it's an English word. 212 00:17:09,564 --> 00:17:12,266 It's not a Portuguese word. 213 00:17:12,366 --> 00:17:14,903 Daniel had gotten to know some people, 214 00:17:15,003 --> 00:17:19,406 entertainment industry people, and they told him, you know, 215 00:17:19,507 --> 00:17:21,709 you might be working on a local level, but 216 00:17:21,809 --> 00:17:24,044 like it or not, you're an international figure. 217 00:17:24,579 --> 00:17:28,016 You need people all over the world to hear one word 218 00:17:29,017 --> 00:17:30,752 and think of you. 219 00:17:31,218 --> 00:17:33,487 And he saw that, too. 220 00:17:35,523 --> 00:17:37,157 So Warden hits the scene. 221 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:40,160 He's shaking hands. He's on patrol. 222 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:42,095 And he quickly discovers something. 223 00:17:42,195 --> 00:17:46,233 He discovers that supervillains the "raison d'etre" to be a superhero. 224 00:17:46,701 --> 00:17:49,003 Well, we don't really get a lot of those in a real world, 225 00:17:49,269 --> 00:17:52,907 what we do get in the real world, in the real criminal world, 226 00:17:53,407 --> 00:17:56,844 are a lot of ordinary people with an underdeveloped sense of empathy 227 00:17:57,512 --> 00:18:01,448 who are trying to find ways to to cheat, to take advantage, 228 00:18:01,749 --> 00:18:05,987 and sometimes use violence against those they perceive as targets. 229 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,121 Not an evil genius masterplan, 230 00:18:09,189 --> 00:18:10,959 frankly, for that stuff. 231 00:18:11,059 --> 00:18:14,062 There's not a whole lot that superhero can do that a normal can do. 232 00:18:14,762 --> 00:18:18,533 You know, you you learn the neighborhood, you meet the people you earn their trust. 233 00:18:18,733 --> 00:18:21,970 You develop good sources and you use data. 234 00:18:22,269 --> 00:18:24,038 That's how you solve crimes. 235 00:18:24,137 --> 00:18:27,107 And the more crimes you solve, the more crimes you stop. 236 00:18:28,141 --> 00:18:32,614 I think his idea was more, I dare you try something on my watch. 237 00:18:32,981 --> 00:18:38,620 You always have the association of the superhero and the city with his city. 238 00:18:39,286 --> 00:18:41,388 Batman has Gotham. Superman has Metropolis. 239 00:18:41,488 --> 00:18:43,390 Green Lantern has Central City. 240 00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:46,661 Now, the comic book writers didn't have to do that. 241 00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:49,631 It cost them just as much to draw Superman in Metropolis 242 00:18:49,731 --> 00:18:51,566 as it did to draw them on the moon. 243 00:18:51,666 --> 00:18:55,503 But there's always been this sense that a superhero 244 00:18:55,603 --> 00:18:58,873 isn't some distant figure watching us from Mount Olympus. 245 00:18:58,973 --> 00:19:01,009 They're part of our community. 246 00:19:02,275 --> 00:19:04,344 And Warden understood that. 247 00:19:46,420 --> 00:19:48,455 I worried about him in the beginning. 248 00:19:48,556 --> 00:19:50,091 You know, he was coming from a place 249 00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:53,094 where if he was in your life, it was as a celebrity. 250 00:19:53,695 --> 00:20:00,400 Like this professional lifesaver that the least controversial person imaginable. 251 00:20:01,201 --> 00:20:03,604 But how do you keep this up when your job 252 00:20:03,705 --> 00:20:07,709 is to make judgments about who's a good guy and who's a bad guy? 253 00:20:09,644 --> 00:20:13,246 If you're not naturally the kind of person who craves attention 254 00:20:13,681 --> 00:20:17,585 and suddenly millions of people you've never met have opinions about you 255 00:20:18,385 --> 00:20:20,588 being under that microscope gets to you. 256 00:20:22,255 --> 00:20:26,127 I remember he told me about the first time 257 00:20:26,226 --> 00:20:29,197 he stopped a robbery, I think it was 258 00:20:30,531 --> 00:20:34,769 at a gas station, and the guy had stolen like 60 bucks. 259 00:20:34,902 --> 00:20:39,574 So he tackled the robber and the guy starts screaming, howling, 260 00:20:39,674 --> 00:20:42,110 like making noises that you've never heard in your life. 261 00:20:44,679 --> 00:20:47,048 And at some point, he looks at the guy and 262 00:20:48,182 --> 00:20:51,119 he sees that the guy is not well 263 00:20:51,219 --> 00:20:54,122 and he's not armed or anything. 264 00:20:54,222 --> 00:20:57,759 And he was like, Is this who I'm fighting? 265 00:20:57,859 --> 00:20:59,994 So I think this was really tough for him. 266 00:21:00,528 --> 00:21:03,497 The problem was this was all legally very tenuous. 267 00:21:04,431 --> 00:21:06,934 He wasn't the type of guy who wanted to read you your rights. 268 00:21:07,568 --> 00:21:11,172 He hadn't been trained in the police department's use of force standards. 269 00:21:11,773 --> 00:21:15,610 He was a superhero not some recruits with a rulebook. 270 00:21:16,077 --> 00:21:19,312 In my office, we got signals from certain judges that to them 271 00:21:19,412 --> 00:21:23,851 what one was doing was surveillance on private citizens without a warrant. 272 00:21:23,951 --> 00:21:26,220 It was an untenable situation. 273 00:21:28,890 --> 00:21:32,994 Warden had agreed to let some TV producers put a camera crew on him. 274 00:21:34,061 --> 00:21:36,531 That was how Brazilian Hero started. 275 00:21:36,631 --> 00:21:39,600 These were the people who thought up his new international name. 276 00:21:40,001 --> 00:21:42,570 So of course, they didn't keep it in Brazil. 277 00:21:43,504 --> 00:21:49,143 Right away they packaged it as Our Hero and licensed it all around the world. 278 00:21:49,243 --> 00:21:51,279 It's a massive hit. 279 00:21:51,679 --> 00:21:52,980 People call me a Warden. 280 00:21:54,115 --> 00:21:55,550 Ever since I was young, 281 00:21:55,650 --> 00:21:57,919 I've known I was a little different. 282 00:22:04,424 --> 00:22:07,929 I don't think he loved having cameras around all the time, 283 00:22:08,663 --> 00:22:12,166 but he figured at least he could control the message. 284 00:22:13,034 --> 00:22:17,905 It also brought in a huge stream of revenue for Warden. 285 00:22:18,438 --> 00:22:24,045 It just cements him as this internationally beloved figure. 286 00:22:25,112 --> 00:22:29,717 So he's coming in to millions of people's homes every week, 287 00:22:30,117 --> 00:22:35,723 doing these heroic, basically magical things in front of the camera. 288 00:22:47,235 --> 00:22:50,938 Davi Lopes is the state representative that falls on that grenade 289 00:22:51,038 --> 00:22:54,709 and tries to act on some of the concerns coming from the police. 290 00:22:54,809 --> 00:22:59,747 The "OAB" the Order of Attorneys of Brazil and some members of the community 291 00:23:29,377 --> 00:23:33,147 Consequences. So this is really the first time 292 00:23:33,247 --> 00:23:36,751 that anyone's had to wrestle with this question. 293 00:23:36,851 --> 00:23:39,787 Can you apply the law to a demi god? 294 00:23:39,887 --> 00:23:44,225 Can you arrest him? How? 295 00:23:45,425 --> 00:23:48,129 What kind of laws do we need? 296 00:23:49,764 --> 00:23:53,534 If you can't just let him do whatever he wants. 297 00:23:53,634 --> 00:23:54,769 Can you? 298 00:23:56,270 --> 00:23:59,206 The investigation. 299 00:23:59,307 --> 00:24:02,376 I think it really just changed the way he thought about things. 300 00:24:02,610 --> 00:24:05,478 You know, he saw what he did as a community service 301 00:24:05,913 --> 00:24:08,683 that, you know, everyone's super hero. 302 00:24:08,783 --> 00:24:11,552 And then these politicians come along and treated him as a punching bag. 303 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,721 He saw it as a game to them. 304 00:24:14,755 --> 00:24:18,259 So that was the first time I actually saw him get frustrated. 305 00:24:19,126 --> 00:24:21,629 Well, it turned out investigating him was very unpopular. 306 00:24:22,263 --> 00:24:24,632 Warden wasn't the guy handing speeding tickets. 307 00:24:24,899 --> 00:24:28,836 People were seeing him stopping awful, violent people every single day. 308 00:24:28,936 --> 00:24:31,305 And more importantly, they were seeing it on TV. 309 00:24:32,707 --> 00:24:34,642 You threatened to take that away from people. 310 00:24:34,742 --> 00:24:36,677 And, you know, you playing with fire. 311 00:24:37,244 --> 00:24:42,883 We forget the salience of the feeling of physical safety in politics. 312 00:24:43,784 --> 00:24:46,554 You know, in Brazil, people saw this reality. 313 00:24:47,288 --> 00:24:50,558 Tens of thousands of murders and rapes every year. 314 00:24:50,658 --> 00:24:53,594 And no matter who you are, your survival instincts kick in 315 00:24:54,195 --> 00:24:56,864 and you think my security first. 316 00:24:57,631 --> 00:24:59,567 Other people we'll talk about later. 317 00:24:59,667 --> 00:25:02,536 And they said to the politicians, I don't want to hear anything 318 00:25:02,636 --> 00:25:04,772 you have to say until you fix this. 319 00:25:06,007 --> 00:25:07,575 How can you keep me safe 320 00:25:07,975 --> 00:25:10,311 in my home, in my city? 321 00:25:11,612 --> 00:25:14,115 It was a top voting issue in the country. 322 00:25:14,215 --> 00:25:16,484 And so everybody acted. 323 00:25:16,984 --> 00:25:19,954 And if you're Brazilian and you feel like the system is 324 00:25:20,054 --> 00:25:24,258 sacrificing your safety for some abstract concept like due process, 325 00:25:24,725 --> 00:25:27,762 you get that lizard brain reaction, 326 00:25:28,195 --> 00:25:31,065 you're making me unsafe 327 00:25:31,165 --> 00:25:33,167 and you get fed up. 328 00:25:37,204 --> 00:25:40,509 As it turns out, public opinion didn't matter one way or the other. 329 00:25:46,313 --> 00:25:50,117 So this scandal breaks and it's just the perfect 330 00:25:50,217 --> 00:25:53,888 stew of ingredients that get people actually interested in local news. 331 00:26:00,928 --> 00:26:02,930 He doesn't stand a chance. 332 00:26:47,074 --> 00:26:51,345 Everybody, millions of people knew that he wasn't happy with this investigation 333 00:26:51,445 --> 00:26:56,350 and that anything that would make Lopes' life harder would be good for him. 334 00:26:56,951 --> 00:27:00,688 So it just took, you know, someone out there who decided they knew 335 00:27:00,788 --> 00:27:01,956 how to help. 336 00:27:02,323 --> 00:27:05,626 With Davi Lopes out of the way and his supporters silent. 337 00:27:05,926 --> 00:27:08,496 The coast was really clear for Warden to do things his way. 338 00:27:08,629 --> 00:27:10,532 The first time I thought 339 00:27:11,432 --> 00:27:13,868 maybe that feeling you've got to watch your back, 340 00:27:13,968 --> 00:27:17,671 that if you're not on his side, something bad was going to happen. 341 00:27:19,406 --> 00:27:21,275 That's what he wants. 342 00:27:21,408 --> 00:27:24,078 Maybe Warden is someone you've got to watch out for. 343 00:27:28,449 --> 00:27:32,219 What is the superhero way? 344 00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:33,954 To fight crime. 345 00:27:34,388 --> 00:27:36,824 And part of it's about optics, right? 346 00:27:36,924 --> 00:27:40,494 The spectacle. Every arrest showcases 347 00:27:40,595 --> 00:27:44,031 that you're faster, stronger, tougher than the bad guys. 348 00:27:44,131 --> 00:27:46,433 You maybe humiliate them. 349 00:27:47,468 --> 00:27:50,505 Part of the superheroes job is to be a moral force. 350 00:27:51,272 --> 00:27:55,342 You're embodying in one person the values of an entire community, 351 00:27:55,610 --> 00:28:00,714 and you're delivering the smackdown that community wishes 352 00:28:00,814 --> 00:28:04,619 it could give to anyone or anything that threatens it. 353 00:28:04,985 --> 00:28:09,023 You're saying our side, the side of order and righteous violence 354 00:28:09,156 --> 00:28:12,561 beats your side, the side of disorder and unrighteous violence. 355 00:28:12,661 --> 00:28:17,765 But what the superhero way really means is no rules. 356 00:28:17,865 --> 00:28:21,135 You have the heroes sense of morality and you trust it. 357 00:28:21,735 --> 00:28:25,706 But Warden isn't, you know, filing an arrest report. 358 00:28:25,806 --> 00:28:26,974 And he's certainly not going 359 00:28:27,074 --> 00:28:29,476 to show up in court to testify at the trial. 360 00:28:51,899 --> 00:28:56,337 I think people celebrated Warden because they made that connection. 361 00:28:57,505 --> 00:29:00,040 They realized he is us. 362 00:29:00,941 --> 00:29:05,580 This is what we would do if we had the power. 363 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,350 The question is, where does that fit into the legal system? 364 00:29:09,718 --> 00:29:13,588 So you can see how things might be on a collision course. 365 00:29:16,790 --> 00:29:18,859 I don't know how to explain it. 366 00:29:18,959 --> 00:29:21,929 It felt like he was himself again. 367 00:29:22,029 --> 00:29:25,099 You know, everybody had this idea of who he should be 368 00:29:25,199 --> 00:29:29,203 or what he should do or wanted something from him. 369 00:29:29,303 --> 00:29:33,207 And suddenly he felt like he could define himself. 370 00:29:33,608 --> 00:29:35,610 And he came alive. 371 00:29:36,578 --> 00:29:38,212 It was an amazing combination 372 00:29:38,312 --> 00:29:41,482 of the person I grew up with and the man I was getting to know. 373 00:29:43,484 --> 00:29:44,985 It had to be a secret, though. 374 00:29:45,085 --> 00:29:47,622 Obviously, he wanted to protect me. 375 00:29:57,298 --> 00:29:59,967 You sense this new confidence watching him. 376 00:30:00,401 --> 00:30:03,505 You know, the sex offender gets a hot shot to his crotch, 377 00:30:03,605 --> 00:30:06,574 the dope fiend gets hauled in with drugs all around him. 378 00:30:07,341 --> 00:30:09,076 He was showing his sense of humor. 379 00:30:09,176 --> 00:30:11,011 Let the punishment fit the crime. 380 00:30:11,111 --> 00:30:13,914 So as you'd expect, everybody on the force gave him a wide lane. 381 00:30:14,448 --> 00:30:16,751 On the one hand that it was his popularity, 382 00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:20,187 you knew you'd be shouted down even before you opened your mouth. 383 00:30:20,988 --> 00:30:23,290 But there was also this intimidation factor. 384 00:30:23,625 --> 00:30:27,762 Every time he flexed his muscles and ran someone down, he was reminding you, 385 00:30:27,861 --> 00:30:30,197 I'm stronger than you. I'm faster than you. 386 00:30:30,464 --> 00:30:32,066 Essentially, I'm unstoppable. 387 00:30:32,166 --> 00:30:34,034 And he didn't have to open his mouth. 388 00:30:34,134 --> 00:30:36,203 Warden never felt like the best 389 00:30:36,303 --> 00:30:39,473 use of his time was chasing drug pushers or any random street criminals. 390 00:30:39,774 --> 00:30:42,677 Here in Brazil, we say that's like trying to dry ice. 391 00:30:42,777 --> 00:30:44,579 Even when he tries going 392 00:30:44,679 --> 00:30:47,147 after organized crime, he's hitting the corner dealers, the triggerman, 393 00:30:47,549 --> 00:30:49,950 those street level guys go down, you've got another five 394 00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:51,720 replacing them in the next day. 395 00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:54,488 The fundamental problem stays. 396 00:30:54,823 --> 00:30:58,959 It's clear Warden is starting to think if this is the best use of his abilities. 397 00:30:59,059 --> 00:31:03,364 But this time there are people around Warden who have very strong ideas 398 00:31:03,464 --> 00:31:07,301 about what problems need to be solved and they have his attention. 399 00:31:08,837 --> 00:31:10,371 Warden had these 400 00:31:10,471 --> 00:31:13,808 relationships with the Nova Sao Paulo business community. 401 00:31:13,907 --> 00:31:17,812 The idea was since Warden didn't want to get paid by the government, 402 00:31:18,078 --> 00:31:21,949 they make donations to support his new Justice Initiative operation. 403 00:31:22,049 --> 00:31:25,152 There were a few examples where a company would bring him 404 00:31:25,252 --> 00:31:27,388 in to give a lecture to their employees. 405 00:33:16,831 --> 00:33:20,300 All of a sudden, Warden was making these huge arrests. 406 00:33:20,535 --> 00:33:24,939 Was white collar, financial crime, criminal leaders, even politicians. 407 00:33:25,038 --> 00:33:28,275 All the people that you thought were untouchable. Falling like dominoes. 408 00:33:28,475 --> 00:33:33,180 They would show up at the courthouse, essentially gift wrapped with evidence 409 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,819 for the prosecutors to make their cases and cameras to get the public exciting. 410 00:33:38,151 --> 00:33:40,788 None of the evidence would hold up in court 411 00:33:40,889 --> 00:33:45,593 because it was collected extrajudicially and violated due process 412 00:33:46,026 --> 00:33:48,563 that only made Warden more popular. 413 00:33:48,663 --> 00:33:50,932 The defense lawyers weren't happy. 414 00:33:51,533 --> 00:33:54,468 The civil liberties groups cried bloody murder. But 415 00:33:54,569 --> 00:33:58,840 when the courts had to let these criminal big shots go free on technicalities 416 00:33:59,841 --> 00:34:02,242 that made Warden the hero 417 00:34:02,342 --> 00:34:04,779 and the legal system the villain. 418 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,283 He was saying, You've all complained about this for years now. 419 00:34:09,817 --> 00:34:12,820 Everybody stand back whilst I do something about it. 420 00:34:19,661 --> 00:34:21,295 It's an iron law 421 00:34:21,395 --> 00:34:23,598 in all times, in all places. 422 00:34:24,999 --> 00:34:27,367 It's extremely unwise 423 00:34:27,769 --> 00:34:32,006 to be rich and not befriend the authorities. 424 00:34:32,105 --> 00:34:34,909 Now, whenever you have one of these anti-corruption campaigns 425 00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:39,479 led by one person, one savior who's all about cracking down, 426 00:34:39,581 --> 00:34:40,949 all about putting that villain 427 00:34:41,049 --> 00:34:44,184 or handful of villains on stage for the public to hate 428 00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,187 without passing laws 429 00:34:47,555 --> 00:34:51,993 that change the incentives that create the corruption in the first place. 430 00:34:52,092 --> 00:34:55,730 What you have is not an anti-corruption campaign. 431 00:34:56,263 --> 00:35:00,702 What you have is a pro your friends corruption campaign. 432 00:35:02,369 --> 00:35:05,138 Write it down. Take it to the bank. 433 00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:08,241 Every time. 434 00:35:08,576 --> 00:35:10,277 You talk to him by then 435 00:35:10,377 --> 00:35:14,147 And it was millions of ideas all the time, like green speedways, 436 00:35:14,247 --> 00:35:17,384 bust these criminals disaster response system. 437 00:35:17,484 --> 00:35:19,988 He said his eyes were opening to the world. 438 00:35:20,387 --> 00:35:23,156 It was good to be with someone that cared so much. 439 00:35:23,558 --> 00:35:27,662 You know, he really thought he really believed that he could change the world. 440 00:35:29,396 --> 00:35:32,767 And the more his plans grew, the more the organization grew. 441 00:35:36,838 --> 00:35:39,974 He had the lawyers had the digital forensic team. 442 00:35:40,074 --> 00:35:42,644 He had the liaison to handle business with the city. 443 00:35:42,744 --> 00:35:46,514 He had the PR guy, all of them recommendation from his business friends, 444 00:35:46,614 --> 00:35:48,016 for what it's worth. 445 00:35:48,116 --> 00:35:51,184 The smart businesses started to make contributions 446 00:35:51,284 --> 00:35:53,755 to his justice initiative straight away. 447 00:35:53,988 --> 00:35:57,058 And there's a subtext to those payments. 448 00:35:57,157 --> 00:35:58,392 It's not settle. 449 00:35:58,492 --> 00:36:01,129 It's maybe don't look so closely at me. 450 00:36:15,308 --> 00:36:17,679 The buildings collapsed right at sunrise. 451 00:36:18,311 --> 00:36:20,347 I'd say that was the next phase. 452 00:36:28,956 --> 00:36:31,759 You know it was just this 453 00:36:31,859 --> 00:36:35,730 big empty eye sore that the owners wanted to replace 454 00:36:35,830 --> 00:36:38,166 with this city of tomorrow. 455 00:36:38,566 --> 00:36:41,869 And the City has just tied them up in court for years. 456 00:36:42,235 --> 00:36:44,772 citing historical preservation of the site. 457 00:36:44,872 --> 00:36:47,575 And it turns out that the owners had 458 00:36:47,675 --> 00:36:50,578 become big donors to Warden's Justice Initiative. 459 00:36:50,678 --> 00:36:54,115 So when the buildings come down, it looks like pretty clear 460 00:36:54,481 --> 00:36:57,819 that there's one group that has a financial stake in this 461 00:36:58,251 --> 00:37:00,420 and one person who could have done it for them. 462 00:37:01,789 --> 00:37:03,423 You know, you have this 463 00:37:03,524 --> 00:37:07,327 unauthorized demolition, this explosion in a residential area. 464 00:37:07,427 --> 00:37:10,998 You're going around the courts, around the whole legal process. 465 00:37:11,398 --> 00:37:12,800 You have people in the neighborhood 466 00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:15,937 getting sick from the chemicals this puts into the air. 467 00:37:16,704 --> 00:37:21,642 Most of us look to the State Attorney General, Romeu Filho. 468 00:37:21,743 --> 00:37:24,377 Everyone's waiting to see what he does 469 00:37:26,514 --> 00:37:28,082 and he does nothing. 470 00:37:35,056 --> 00:37:38,492 So if you're keeping score, the people 471 00:37:38,860 --> 00:37:42,362 who go around the law: Warden and the owners. 472 00:37:43,296 --> 00:37:45,265 No charges against them. 473 00:37:45,365 --> 00:37:50,605 The people who call out the people who break the law, they get investigated. 474 00:37:51,205 --> 00:37:53,808 For me, that was "what the fuck" moment. 475 00:37:54,942 --> 00:37:56,677 I think anyone who reviewed the suits 476 00:37:56,778 --> 00:38:00,081 that the city filed to prevent the demolition as I had. 477 00:38:00,948 --> 00:38:04,018 Found them to be in bad faith and without merit. 478 00:38:04,417 --> 00:38:08,890 More than that, it's important to remember that our whole legal system exists 479 00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:12,425 as a channel for the people's sense of justice and fairness. 480 00:38:12,727 --> 00:38:16,197 And when courts have thwarten what people understand to be justice, 481 00:38:16,664 --> 00:38:20,168 when they're undermining the public's confidence that the system works, 482 00:38:21,068 --> 00:38:23,004 then you have a problem. 483 00:39:02,143 --> 00:39:04,178 Whatis the justice system for? 484 00:39:04,278 --> 00:39:07,915 If you can imagine the tribe of early humans coming back from a mammoth hunts. 485 00:39:08,316 --> 00:39:11,384 Yeah, they discover that somebody has committed a murder. 486 00:39:12,485 --> 00:39:17,258 The entire society is rattled in its anger and vendettas and distrust, 487 00:39:17,357 --> 00:39:20,161 and you need domestic order to be restored. 488 00:39:21,095 --> 00:39:25,032 That's what the job of the law is, to be our collective retribution. 489 00:39:26,067 --> 00:39:30,104 When you look at our system today, it's gotten so complex and so far removed 490 00:39:30,204 --> 00:39:35,243 from that basic, original purpose that bad actors know they can exploit it. 491 00:39:35,877 --> 00:39:38,279 The demolition case. 492 00:39:38,411 --> 00:39:41,315 They were just a small example, and Warden helped people 493 00:39:41,414 --> 00:39:44,819 see how they were standing in the way of the public interest. 494 00:39:45,219 --> 00:39:47,588 And that paved all the work we did. 495 00:39:47,688 --> 00:39:49,422 And I think that's a great thing. 496 00:39:49,523 --> 00:39:52,260 And that was essentially the way things were going to go. 497 00:39:52,459 --> 00:39:54,562 Warden would play the wrecking ball, 498 00:39:54,662 --> 00:39:58,332 Romeu Filho would play the legal bodyguard, and their friends would play by 499 00:39:58,431 --> 00:40:00,067 their own rules. 500 00:40:00,167 --> 00:40:02,603 Now, if you're a reasonable 501 00:40:02,703 --> 00:40:07,375 person or a reasonable business, you would look at that situation and say, 502 00:40:08,342 --> 00:40:10,443 I want to be Warden's friend. 503 00:40:11,045 --> 00:40:13,948 You started seeing changes right away. 504 00:40:14,515 --> 00:40:17,652 There's a wave of construction. The streets were cleaner. 505 00:40:17,752 --> 00:40:20,288 You're talking to people. They are telling you they feel safer. 506 00:40:36,037 --> 00:40:37,805 It's all a powerful statement. 507 00:40:37,905 --> 00:40:41,342 You know, you have one person standing 508 00:40:41,441 --> 00:40:46,614 against all the old, creaky bureaucracy and red tape and he's winning. 509 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,884 So people pay attention to that. 510 00:41:03,297 --> 00:41:05,232 Thank you and thanks, guys. 511 00:41:05,333 --> 00:41:09,170 In a very short term, we've had some huge changes in Sao Paulo. 512 00:41:09,603 --> 00:41:13,240 We've seen some landmark arrests, which I think perhaps the very best 513 00:41:13,341 --> 00:41:17,078 investigators in your country will be just a little bit jealous of you. 514 00:41:17,511 --> 00:41:21,515 Yeah. You know, hopefully most of us don't have enemies. 515 00:41:21,615 --> 00:41:23,818 And I know I didn't when I was younger. 516 00:41:23,918 --> 00:41:27,888 But now when you start doing things that impact a lot of people, 517 00:41:28,289 --> 00:41:30,825 the enemies you make tell you a lot about who you are. 518 00:41:30,958 --> 00:41:35,763 So back when you started, there were some doubts, right? 519 00:41:35,863 --> 00:41:39,100 Were there? I hadn't heard. Okay. 520 00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:41,035 So that's news to you. I know. 521 00:41:41,135 --> 00:41:44,238 At this point you'd hear things unofficially. 522 00:41:44,538 --> 00:41:49,543 Police chief gets advice to drop an investigation, journalist gets a story 523 00:41:49,643 --> 00:41:53,848 killed, a prosecutor gets reassigned, but nothing illegal. 524 00:41:54,782 --> 00:41:59,453 And nobody can come forward because they will know that somewhere 525 00:41:59,553 --> 00:42:03,624 along the chain of things that are there to stop bad things from happening. 526 00:42:03,724 --> 00:42:09,463 There's going to be someone who's afraid, corrupt or just plain not on their side. 527 00:42:45,499 --> 00:42:48,769 Everything. All the criticism that I've heard of what I'm doing, it 528 00:42:48,869 --> 00:42:52,106 basically boils down to, well, what about the system? 529 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,275 Trust the system. 530 00:42:54,375 --> 00:42:57,678 The system wasn't representing people. What I am. 531 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,488 Now, at this point, 532 00:43:07,588 --> 00:43:10,024 if I'm Warden, I'm feeling pretty good. 533 00:43:10,124 --> 00:43:12,460 I got these circles of protection around me. 534 00:43:12,927 --> 00:43:17,031 So there's the real one, which is the politicians and the businessmen 535 00:43:17,131 --> 00:43:18,432 and the courts and the press people 536 00:43:18,533 --> 00:43:20,434 who are all letting Warden make his own rules. 537 00:43:20,968 --> 00:43:26,307 Then there's the people who've decided, I'm for them, I'm their champion, 538 00:43:26,407 --> 00:43:29,176 and if I'm doing something dicey, they don't even want to hear about it. 539 00:43:29,276 --> 00:43:32,413 The feeling that Warden stoked in us. 540 00:43:33,114 --> 00:43:36,317 It was ancient. It's been with humans since the beginning. 541 00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:40,589 He was the demigod who held the world on his shoulders. 542 00:43:40,888 --> 00:43:45,226 He was the folk hero who went around the law to deliver justice 543 00:43:45,326 --> 00:43:48,295 and stick his thumb in the eyes of the powerful people. 544 00:43:49,063 --> 00:43:52,166 Someone like that, even when they're fundamentally different from us. 545 00:43:52,633 --> 00:43:55,269 There's this feeling that he is us. 546 00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:58,005 His struggles are our 547 00:43:58,105 --> 00:44:01,242 struggles and his enemies are our enemies. 548 00:44:01,675 --> 00:44:06,480 You know, every day it would be the rescues, the show, the handshake, 549 00:44:06,581 --> 00:44:11,418 the strategy session next week, next quarter, next targeted, next project. 550 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,388 It's hard to compete with that. 551 00:44:15,022 --> 00:44:16,857 You know, people felt connected to him. 552 00:44:16,957 --> 00:44:20,194 So I'm going into this with my eyes wide opened. 553 00:44:20,461 --> 00:44:24,331 And I decided to ask him if we could be officially out dating. 554 00:44:25,966 --> 00:44:30,137 And next day, his team calls me into his office. 555 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,645 And there's everyone lawyers, consultants, managers. 556 00:44:37,945 --> 00:44:41,882 And they all agreed that being out dating would be the worst thing possible. 557 00:44:43,518 --> 00:44:45,853 For me, obviously 558 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,469 the more the time passed, the bigger he got and the more 559 00:45:35,570 --> 00:45:42,276 the distance between the public figure and the man would disappear. 560 00:45:42,876 --> 00:45:48,583 There's a sense in which a superhero is just another kind of celebrity, 561 00:45:49,283 --> 00:45:53,854 and what celebrities and powerful people are really good at is creating 562 00:45:53,954 --> 00:45:58,792 these hermetically sealed universes where everyone loves you. 563 00:45:59,093 --> 00:46:01,862 And all the news is good news. 564 00:46:01,962 --> 00:46:05,099 In Warden's case, you take that celebrity bubble 565 00:46:05,399 --> 00:46:07,868 and you add years of reading about superheroes 566 00:46:08,402 --> 00:46:12,006 and their promises of power and hyper competency. 567 00:46:12,273 --> 00:46:14,942 And you've got someone whose life hasn't 568 00:46:15,042 --> 00:46:18,212 exactly been primed for committed relationships. 569 00:46:18,445 --> 00:46:20,682 So how come there's only one of you? 570 00:46:20,781 --> 00:46:24,351 I would have thought if we'd looked into your story of origin. 571 00:46:24,619 --> 00:46:27,656 We'd been cranking out at least a dozen more of you superheroes. 572 00:46:28,355 --> 00:46:32,259 Yeah, well, how do you know you wouldn't get a super villain? 573 00:46:48,075 --> 00:46:51,078 The show's ratings were still strong and getting stronger. 574 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,881 People want to know everything about him. 575 00:46:54,516 --> 00:46:57,985 You have gossip sites paying thousands of dollars 576 00:46:58,085 --> 00:47:02,557 for any whiff of information about who might be involved with Warden 577 00:47:03,057 --> 00:47:07,928 who went to lunch with him, who was seen leaving his apartment last night. 578 00:47:08,295 --> 00:47:10,164 But it was like a mirage. 579 00:47:10,264 --> 00:47:13,867 Any time you go too close to one of these stories, it would disappear. 580 00:47:15,502 --> 00:47:18,773 I never told anyone about us. 581 00:47:18,872 --> 00:47:21,710 He called it "the plan", and I was all in on it. 582 00:47:22,009 --> 00:47:24,178 It was our future. 583 00:47:24,278 --> 00:47:28,717 But most of the time, I just felt like he was gone and he was actually gone. 584 00:47:28,817 --> 00:47:31,318 Like he would disappear for days. 585 00:47:31,418 --> 00:47:35,356 And when he'd show it up again, he'd apologize and apologize. 586 00:47:35,456 --> 00:47:39,126 Say how important everything he was doing was. 587 00:47:39,226 --> 00:47:43,230 Be romantic for a day, then get back to normal and then disappear again. 588 00:47:43,565 --> 00:47:47,968 There's a very clear difference and everybody figure it out pretty quickly. 589 00:47:48,369 --> 00:47:51,171 Investigating Warden's personal life is okay. 590 00:47:51,305 --> 00:47:53,608 He kind of dances with you. He likes the mystery 591 00:47:53,907 --> 00:47:57,144 investigating what was going on in Warden's professional life. 592 00:47:57,512 --> 00:48:01,215 Some of the things the city was doing, that's when you get the threats. 593 00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:04,686 How do you silence someone in the 21st century? 594 00:48:05,986 --> 00:48:08,723 It doesn't look like the old way. 595 00:48:09,156 --> 00:48:13,394 As humans, we hunt for patterns, we're told, all the time. 596 00:48:13,494 --> 00:48:15,563 History repeats itself, right? 597 00:48:15,663 --> 00:48:18,666 So we're very good at spotting 598 00:48:18,767 --> 00:48:22,202 the last threat to a free society. 599 00:48:22,771 --> 00:48:24,938 Book burnings. Canceled elections. 600 00:48:25,038 --> 00:48:27,809 Thugs marching in the street. No way. You're not going to slip that by us. 601 00:48:28,676 --> 00:48:31,945 But then we pour all our energy into convincing people 602 00:48:32,279 --> 00:48:35,850 that what we're seeing now is just like the last thing. 603 00:48:36,751 --> 00:48:41,955 Problem is when people realize, no, it's not just like the last thing 604 00:48:43,323 --> 00:48:45,426 they decide. It's not worth worrying about. 605 00:48:45,527 --> 00:48:50,297 So what we're not good at is spotting the next threat. 606 00:48:51,265 --> 00:48:54,401 These days, you don't need thugs going around knocking on people's doors. 607 00:48:55,035 --> 00:48:56,970 That's inefficient. It's ugly. 608 00:48:57,070 --> 00:48:58,807 You don't need to say a word. You're thugs. 609 00:48:58,907 --> 00:49:03,177 They don't even have to be your thugs. 610 00:49:03,277 --> 00:49:05,379 And I'll ask you one more question. 611 00:49:05,479 --> 00:49:07,849 Do you think about your limitations sometimes? 612 00:49:08,282 --> 00:49:11,151 Like there's something you just can accomplish no matter how 613 00:49:11,251 --> 00:49:13,688 strong or fast you are? 614 00:49:13,788 --> 00:49:15,355 No. 615 00:49:15,456 --> 00:49:18,560 No? No. Because I'm 616 00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:23,363 the least important part of what's happening in Nova Sao Paulo. 617 00:49:23,464 --> 00:49:26,366 It's not about what I've done. 618 00:49:26,467 --> 00:49:29,002 Everything I've accomplished will vanish overnight. 619 00:49:29,102 --> 00:49:33,273 Without this movement, these thousands of people, 620 00:49:33,741 --> 00:49:37,377 good people who know the difference between right and wrong 621 00:49:37,978 --> 00:49:40,682 and want to fight hard to make this 622 00:49:40,782 --> 00:49:44,586 a better place for all of us to live. 623 00:49:44,686 --> 00:49:48,857 In a way, people embraced Warden for the same reason they embraced 624 00:49:48,957 --> 00:49:52,760 superheroes during other periods of high social anxiety. In the U.S, 625 00:49:52,993 --> 00:49:55,730 you had superheroes going to war for America in the 1940s, 626 00:49:55,930 --> 00:49:58,900 and then they were protecting us from nuclear weapons during the Cold War. 627 00:49:58,999 --> 00:50:00,501 And then we saw them deployed 628 00:50:00,602 --> 00:50:03,103 as guardians looking out for us after September the 11th. 629 00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:07,909 Now, I think during periods of declining trust in institutions 630 00:50:08,108 --> 00:50:12,145 and a sort of societal unwinding like what was happening in Brazil, 631 00:50:12,647 --> 00:50:17,351 Warden looked to a lot of people like the solution. 632 00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:56,356 It's important to understand how police works in Brazil, there's two types. 633 00:50:57,257 --> 00:50:59,426 The military police who are responsible 634 00:50:59,527 --> 00:51:03,998 for patrolling the streets, enforcing laws, and the civil police 635 00:51:04,097 --> 00:51:07,635 who are mostly responsible for investigating crime. 636 00:51:07,902 --> 00:51:10,872 One might catch a criminal in the act 637 00:51:11,238 --> 00:51:15,242 and take him to the other for arrest and investigation. 638 00:51:15,342 --> 00:51:20,380 So dividing the responsibilities that you might find in another country's police department. 639 00:51:20,748 --> 00:51:25,252 But both sides answer to the state secretary of public security. 640 00:51:38,733 --> 00:51:41,168 There have been more complaints about Warden 641 00:51:41,268 --> 00:51:44,606 interfering with police work, costing them cases. 642 00:51:44,706 --> 00:51:49,142 So the Secretary of Public Security decided that he needed 643 00:51:49,242 --> 00:51:53,047 to get on the same page with Warden, and they need to get it in writing. 644 00:51:53,146 --> 00:51:57,619 So Warden's people go, sure, here are our terms. 645 00:52:07,929 --> 00:52:11,298 His people didn't explain it, didn't try to convince anybody. 646 00:52:11,398 --> 00:52:14,802 It was just, here you go, take it or leave it. 647 00:52:26,814 --> 00:52:30,652 And none of that mattered when Warden wanted to get rid of him. 648 00:52:30,752 --> 00:52:35,155 If Warden was against someone, it didn't matter what his supporters thought before. 649 00:52:35,790 --> 00:52:37,625 Suddenly everyone was in lockstep. 650 00:52:37,725 --> 00:52:40,028 It was just like with Davi Lopes. 651 00:52:40,128 --> 00:52:42,362 Warden's concern. The concern of his team was 652 00:52:42,462 --> 00:52:46,366 that the Secretary became less interested in protecting the residents of this city 653 00:52:46,466 --> 00:52:50,104 and more interested in protecting himself and some shady interests. 654 00:52:50,705 --> 00:52:53,007 Warden's position was that the Governor should appoint 655 00:52:53,107 --> 00:52:55,009 Michel Borba as the new Secretary. 656 00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:57,979 Michel Borba was the head of the Cyber Crimes Unit, 657 00:52:58,378 --> 00:53:00,515 at the Warden's Justice Initiative. 658 00:53:00,615 --> 00:53:01,883 And Warden's 659 00:53:01,983 --> 00:53:04,351 argument, reasonably, was that 660 00:53:04,451 --> 00:53:07,021 his cybercrimes unit was pioneering the crime 661 00:53:07,121 --> 00:53:10,457 fighting technology that the police would use in the coming years. 662 00:53:10,725 --> 00:53:13,161 So why not put him in charge? It was simple. 663 00:53:20,902 --> 00:53:24,072 So now Warden is asking for a voice in the political process. 664 00:53:24,172 --> 00:53:25,740 A very large voice. 665 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,442 And I can't blame the governor for listening. 666 00:53:28,543 --> 00:53:31,612 How do you go up against the most popular personality in the world 667 00:53:31,713 --> 00:53:34,549 who, by the way, uses violence professionally? 668 00:53:34,982 --> 00:53:37,819 The newest move from Warden has raised alarm from critics 669 00:53:37,919 --> 00:53:41,421 who warn that Brazil's justice system is bending to serve one man. 670 00:53:55,368 --> 00:53:58,539 At that point, I knew that if Warden wanted anything, 671 00:53:58,673 --> 00:53:59,674 he was going to get it. 672 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,563 The 19th of June. 673 00:54:24,699 --> 00:54:27,135 Essentially the whole city coming together 674 00:54:27,935 --> 00:54:31,572 for a big party, was going to be bigger than the last carnival. 675 00:54:31,939 --> 00:54:34,041 But this was was Warden's carnival. 676 00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:38,813 They were expecting hundreds and thousands of people. 677 00:54:41,916 --> 00:54:43,618 And then... 678 00:55:01,602 --> 00:55:04,505 I had never, ever seen him like he was that day. 679 00:55:09,143 --> 00:55:13,648 He said that he could feel himself losing control like he liked it when 680 00:55:14,615 --> 00:55:17,018 he killed that man. 681 00:55:17,118 --> 00:55:19,352 You couldn't stop saying I did this. 682 00:55:19,452 --> 00:55:21,055 He came after me. 683 00:55:21,155 --> 00:55:23,356 He blamed himself and he said it would never happen again. 684 00:55:26,426 --> 00:55:28,361 It was a young man who several years earlier 685 00:55:28,461 --> 00:55:32,200 had been removed from the police after a series of disciplinary problems. 686 00:55:34,367 --> 00:55:37,505 He seemed to have developed some kind of obsession with Warden. 687 00:55:39,339 --> 00:55:42,176 He killed 33 people in less than 2 minutes 688 00:55:42,877 --> 00:55:45,146 before a thankfully Warden could stop him. 689 00:55:47,281 --> 00:55:50,885 Immediately, people were asking questions. 690 00:55:50,985 --> 00:55:56,624 You know, there had been murders under Warden's watch, but this one was different. 691 00:55:57,424 --> 00:56:00,393 Mass shootings like these are not common in Brazil. 692 00:56:00,962 --> 00:56:03,097 And never on this scale and in broad daylight. 693 00:56:03,631 --> 00:56:05,233 The victims were families. 694 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,501 Kids. 695 00:56:48,276 --> 00:56:51,512 There was a sense that Warden's enemies were lurking everywhere. 696 00:56:51,612 --> 00:56:56,284 They were in corporate boardrooms, the local newsrooms, but especially 697 00:56:56,384 --> 00:57:02,523 they were in government, he was sure, and his supporters especially were sure. 698 00:57:02,924 --> 00:57:05,893 But this was their way, his enemies way of 699 00:57:06,127 --> 00:57:09,830 of shaking their confidence in him, the sense that he was protecting. 700 00:57:10,131 --> 00:57:14,467 And I'll be honest with you, there was conspiracy theory from the other side 701 00:57:15,069 --> 00:57:18,005 that Warden had planned the attack 702 00:57:18,105 --> 00:57:19,607 as a false flag operation, 703 00:57:19,707 --> 00:57:22,944 and he would use that panic to unleash the next phase of 704 00:57:24,312 --> 00:57:26,247 whatever he wanted. 705 00:57:28,416 --> 00:57:30,885 I think a lot of the wilder claims that my office 706 00:57:30,985 --> 00:57:35,323 was giving credence to conspiracy theories and so on, even at the time, 707 00:57:35,423 --> 00:57:38,693 it was fairly clear that those claims were advanced by people 708 00:57:38,793 --> 00:57:42,830 with a political agenda who wanted to discredit the justice system. 709 00:57:42,930 --> 00:57:47,001 What I saw from the vantage of my office was a series of troubling connections. 710 00:57:47,101 --> 00:57:50,571 Now, those connections may not have amounted to anything, 711 00:57:50,938 --> 00:57:55,142 but I was obligated to pursue the truth wherever it took me. 712 00:57:57,078 --> 00:58:00,081 I don't think he slept for a month. 713 00:58:00,181 --> 00:58:02,550 You know, he looked at the guy, the shooter, 714 00:58:02,650 --> 00:58:05,686 and he saw the whole system trying to defend itself. 715 00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:08,389 You know, like a disease body rejecting medicine. 716 00:58:09,156 --> 00:58:13,527 He said that he could finally understand how far they were willing to go 717 00:58:13,627 --> 00:58:16,564 and that he was going to fight back. 718 00:58:16,664 --> 00:58:18,032 Who benefits? 719 00:58:19,033 --> 00:58:20,167 Just smells funny. 720 00:58:20,267 --> 00:58:22,336 I'm just asking questions. 721 00:58:22,436 --> 00:58:25,272 Movies and TV and comic books 722 00:58:25,373 --> 00:58:29,977 have trained us for decades to look behind the scenes for the hidden hand. 723 00:58:30,644 --> 00:58:34,715 It just makes stories more interesting and it's perfect for our brains, 724 00:58:35,883 --> 00:58:38,185 cause and effect patterns. 725 00:58:38,452 --> 00:58:42,690 If something happens, it's because someone wanted it to happen. 726 00:58:42,790 --> 00:58:44,025 Randomness, coincidences. 727 00:58:44,125 --> 00:58:45,826 There's nothing interesting about that. 728 00:58:45,926 --> 00:58:48,863 Oh, and if you don't see the patterns, if you think a coincidence 729 00:58:48,963 --> 00:58:54,035 is just a coincidence, there's an explanation for that. You're a sheep. 730 00:58:54,135 --> 00:58:57,905 And I asked him how he felt about the whole thing. 731 00:58:58,339 --> 00:59:01,542 Did he actually think that these people were willing 732 00:59:01,642 --> 00:59:04,912 to kill women and children just to make him look bad? 733 00:59:05,713 --> 00:59:08,182 And he said, I was naive, like used to be. 734 00:59:09,083 --> 00:59:12,253 And I honestly didn't know anything about corruption and I didn't know 735 00:59:12,353 --> 00:59:17,124 how far people were willing to go just to, you know, stop change. 736 00:59:17,858 --> 00:59:21,595 He said that he needed to be ready to go as far as they were. 737 00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:25,399 That was a shift in him. 738 00:59:37,578 --> 00:59:40,181 The companies decided that they needed 739 00:59:40,281 --> 00:59:43,451 to signal that they were in the right side of the Warden issue. 740 00:59:43,552 --> 00:59:46,654 You saw the Warden sign in people's profile pictures. 741 00:59:46,787 --> 00:59:49,390 You saw the resignations at different companies. 742 00:59:49,590 --> 00:59:51,625 You could feel the temperature rising. 743 01:01:31,759 --> 01:01:34,596 In these circles, there was this feeling 744 01:01:35,162 --> 01:01:38,199 that the walls were closing in on the bad guys. 745 01:01:39,066 --> 01:01:41,670 And it kept everything at this fever pitch. 746 01:01:42,303 --> 01:01:46,006 There were these incidents where teachers, middle school or high school teachers 747 01:01:46,473 --> 01:01:51,145 would say something that sounded skeptical of Warden 748 01:01:51,245 --> 01:01:54,148 or some of the actions he seemed to be endorsing. 749 01:01:54,683 --> 01:01:56,984 And some student would hear it posted on 750 01:01:57,084 --> 01:02:00,821 social media and there would be a wave of harassment. 751 01:02:01,755 --> 01:02:03,123 See, the Internet 752 01:02:03,224 --> 01:02:06,393 was the perfect hothouse for these things to grow in. 753 01:02:06,493 --> 01:02:09,196 Some of those teachers had to leave the city. 754 01:02:10,231 --> 01:02:14,101 I can tell you the city felt tense in a way I'd never experienced before. 755 01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:18,939 One day you'll see Warden walking down, shaking hands 756 01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:22,776 and talking about how we're all cleaning this place up. 757 01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:26,480 The next day, you'd see them fighting wildfires or rescuing people 758 01:02:26,581 --> 01:02:30,184 in mudslides, just in case you forgot what he could do to you 759 01:02:30,284 --> 01:02:33,087 if you didn't get with the program. 760 01:02:37,626 --> 01:02:40,127 So at this time, every time you talk to him, 761 01:02:40,227 --> 01:02:45,032 it would be about his enemies, his enemies in this radio station 762 01:02:45,132 --> 01:02:48,402 or, you know, the office that's working against him and. 763 01:02:49,638 --> 01:02:52,273 I really wanted to be on his side. 764 01:02:52,373 --> 01:02:56,443 You know, I really wanted our relationship to be something apart from all of this. 765 01:02:56,578 --> 01:02:59,313 And it was actually the point of keeping it a secret. 766 01:02:59,547 --> 01:03:02,149 But at this point, I just feel like he's testing me. 767 01:03:02,283 --> 01:03:05,587 He'd want to see my phone. He'd want to know who I was talking to. 768 01:03:07,288 --> 01:03:08,822 And at some point 769 01:03:08,922 --> 01:03:11,425 in the streets I started noticing some people following me. 770 01:03:11,959 --> 01:03:14,729 So I went back home and I asked him 771 01:03:16,497 --> 01:03:19,567 and he said, Yes, it's for your own safety. 772 01:03:22,469 --> 01:03:24,905 That was the limit for me. 773 01:03:25,005 --> 01:03:28,809 I told him he was turning into someone I didn't know and that he really needed 774 01:03:28,909 --> 01:03:32,046 to think if he wanted to keep going on a path 775 01:03:32,146 --> 01:03:36,917 that was making him so unhappy in that I definitely wasn't going with him 776 01:03:37,686 --> 01:03:40,755 and I didn't really see myself anywhere in here. 777 01:03:42,022 --> 01:03:44,592 I always think it's ironic that when you have a leader 778 01:03:44,693 --> 01:03:49,263 who sees plotters and coups everywhere, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. 779 01:03:49,664 --> 01:03:51,198 And the more they lash out 780 01:03:51,298 --> 01:03:53,934 at their imaginary enemies, the more real enemies they make. 781 01:04:09,049 --> 01:04:11,385 I had been talking to Davi on background 782 01:04:11,485 --> 01:04:14,988 and I told him about this conversation I had with a police officer. 783 01:04:15,623 --> 01:04:19,059 He'd gotten a call and gone to the scene. 784 01:04:20,861 --> 01:04:23,732 The suspect essentially 785 01:04:24,865 --> 01:04:28,302 it been what I would describe as tortured and killed by Warden. 786 01:04:29,036 --> 01:04:33,874 But the officer decides to investigate a little further and he realizes 787 01:04:34,241 --> 01:04:36,477 and he has the proof 788 01:04:36,578 --> 01:04:39,647 that Warden got the wrong guy. 789 01:04:39,748 --> 01:04:42,517 It tortured and killed an innocent man. 790 01:04:44,485 --> 01:04:48,422 It's just. Beyond words. 791 01:04:49,691 --> 01:04:51,626 So the officer, you know, 792 01:04:51,726 --> 01:04:54,294 does the paperwork, files the report 793 01:04:54,863 --> 01:04:58,899 and his boss tells him to destroy all the evidence. 794 01:05:00,067 --> 01:05:02,302 So he goes to his boss. His boss and. 795 01:05:02,570 --> 01:05:07,341 And what they on this guy's table is a photo of him shaking hands with Warden. 796 01:05:08,041 --> 01:05:12,913 So the officer takes one look at that photo and decides 797 01:05:14,081 --> 01:05:16,417 it's clearly not safe for me to know what I know. 798 01:05:18,586 --> 01:05:20,254 So I'm going to shut up. 799 01:05:20,588 --> 01:05:23,558 It wasn't just police officers that were starting to talk. 800 01:05:24,091 --> 01:05:29,029 It was like a handful of people in the State Attorney General's office, 801 01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:34,435 a handful of people in the courts, a few teachers, a bunch of journalists. 802 01:05:37,304 --> 01:05:39,741 At this point, everyone is communicating separately. 803 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,879 There's this feeling of paranoia that if the wrong person 804 01:05:44,978 --> 01:05:48,482 gets wind of this, something terrible could happen to you. 805 01:05:49,082 --> 01:05:51,485 It's called the coordination problem. 806 01:05:51,586 --> 01:05:55,155 Nobody wants to be the soldier that jumps out of a trench and gets gunned down. 807 01:05:55,590 --> 01:05:58,025 But if everybody jumps out at the same time, 808 01:05:58,125 --> 01:06:00,795 there's a decent chance that some of them will make it to the target. 809 01:06:01,328 --> 01:06:05,700 The problem is, how do you know anybody's going to jump out with you, 810 01:06:06,433 --> 01:06:09,604 especially when you don't even know who else is in the trench? 811 01:06:21,081 --> 01:06:24,384 After I told Davi about this story. 812 01:06:24,919 --> 01:06:28,989 He said to me, You know, there are other people who had similar stories. 813 01:06:29,089 --> 01:06:31,559 I said, How many? 814 01:06:31,659 --> 01:06:32,993 There were a lot. 815 01:06:34,328 --> 01:06:35,496 He showed me a video, 816 01:06:35,830 --> 01:06:40,334 something the Brazilian Hero producers tried to bury. 817 01:06:40,434 --> 01:06:44,271 There's a man and he's taunting Warden 818 01:06:45,439 --> 01:06:49,644 and Warden just snapped. Killed him. 819 01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:58,285 I felt sick. 820 01:07:11,064 --> 01:07:14,969 So I guess you could say I'm getting used to this superhero thing. 821 01:07:15,068 --> 01:07:18,438 I've stopped some bad guys and helped to fix my hometown, 822 01:07:18,706 --> 01:07:22,042 and I've learned more about my powers. 823 01:07:22,376 --> 01:07:26,581 More importantly, I've gotten to connect with people. Still. 824 01:07:26,981 --> 01:07:29,984 It's a funny thing being called a superhero all the time. 825 01:07:30,852 --> 01:07:33,487 Maybe this is the year when everything changes. 826 01:07:43,397 --> 01:07:46,099 I was in the front yard when my wife called out to me. 827 01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:47,936 Turn the news on. 828 01:07:48,201 --> 01:07:49,737 And I thought, oh, shit. 829 01:07:49,837 --> 01:07:52,674 Disturbing images emerging today from what sources 830 01:07:52,774 --> 01:07:54,943 and the prosecutor's office in Nova, Sao Paulo 831 01:07:55,043 --> 01:07:58,913 say was an act of brutality carried out by Warden. 832 01:08:14,629 --> 01:08:18,900 Guard the skeletons in Warden's closet, Literally and figuratively. 833 01:08:25,138 --> 01:08:28,509 I walked away that morning. 834 01:08:29,077 --> 01:08:30,845 You know, it comes to a point where 835 01:08:30,945 --> 01:08:34,348 the whole thing that you've constructed, something gets inside 836 01:08:34,448 --> 01:08:37,250 and it's just really easy to tear the whole thing down. 837 01:08:38,553 --> 01:08:42,222 He had been calling me and texting me the whole day, but I wasn't answering. 838 01:08:42,322 --> 01:08:46,794 So he showed up at my apartment, just furious that these people for, 839 01:08:46,995 --> 01:08:50,632 you know, try and destroy him and at me for being on their side. 840 01:08:52,499 --> 01:08:56,070 And I told him I was done and he didn't like that. 841 01:08:56,470 --> 01:09:01,676 And honestly, that was. Scary. 842 01:09:01,776 --> 01:09:04,512 He said that there were people trying to hurt me, that he was 843 01:09:04,612 --> 01:09:06,914 the only one keeping me safe 844 01:09:07,649 --> 01:09:10,918 and I wasn't saying anything. I was done. 845 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,589 So he got really quiet 846 01:09:14,689 --> 01:09:17,525 and he said, You're not a part of this anymore. 847 01:09:18,425 --> 01:09:20,795 And then he just left. 848 01:09:21,763 --> 01:09:23,831 Reports from Brazil that Warden has left 849 01:09:23,931 --> 01:09:28,268 Nova Sao Paulo amid a wave of explosive allegations in recent days. 850 01:09:28,368 --> 01:09:31,673 We knew immediately that this was the product of a sophisticated 851 01:09:31,773 --> 01:09:36,144 media operation and there was really no effort to hide it or hide the agenda. 852 01:09:38,846 --> 01:09:43,450 I think that people from Nova Sao Paulo saw right through it. I really do. 853 01:09:44,384 --> 01:09:47,021 But the national media has its own imperatives. Right? 854 01:09:48,056 --> 01:09:49,289 And they smell the story. 855 01:12:28,716 --> 01:12:34,454 7:14 a.m... A search warrant was issued for the Justice Initiative Building. 856 01:12:34,555 --> 01:12:38,526 At 7:20, the military police deployed its forces to 857 01:12:38,626 --> 01:12:40,728 Sao Paulo to take him into custody. 858 01:13:58,806 --> 01:14:02,343 The police had assembled their forces along a two kilometer 859 01:14:02,442 --> 01:14:06,180 perimeter around a building sort of sending a message like, 860 01:14:06,614 --> 01:14:09,283 look, we are serious, but we don't have to do this. 861 01:14:11,652 --> 01:14:13,888 That's when Warden showed up. 862 01:14:13,988 --> 01:14:17,658 This was the first time anybody had seen him since the story came out, 863 01:15:35,803 --> 01:15:37,371 In his mind. 864 01:15:37,805 --> 01:15:40,141 This is the ultimate battle, 865 01:15:40,241 --> 01:15:41,809 good versus evil. 866 01:15:41,909 --> 01:15:44,412 He's defending his city. 867 01:15:44,513 --> 01:15:47,014 This is what superheroes do. 868 01:15:47,381 --> 01:15:51,952 The police basic doctrine was we acknowledge 869 01:15:52,053 --> 01:15:56,457 that any one officer, any hundred is no match for Warden. 870 01:15:56,891 --> 01:15:58,559 But he can't be everywhere at once. 871 01:15:58,659 --> 01:16:02,463 So we're going to advance and presume that he is not going 872 01:16:02,563 --> 01:16:06,300 to start a bloodbath with thousands of civilian lives on the line. 873 01:16:07,168 --> 01:16:09,603 And we're going to dare him to fire the first shot. 874 01:16:11,272 --> 01:16:12,440 He accepted. 875 01:16:16,110 --> 01:16:17,111 I didn't think 876 01:16:17,546 --> 01:16:20,114 whether it was safe from the studio. 877 01:16:21,015 --> 01:16:25,352 It was just these words repeating over and over "just get through it". 878 01:16:25,453 --> 01:16:27,288 "just get through it" 879 01:16:27,388 --> 01:16:29,924 It takes 2 hours for the Army to take the first block. 880 01:16:30,024 --> 01:16:32,426 Fighting continues to rage in Nova Sao Paulo. 881 01:16:32,527 --> 01:16:36,630 Well, after dark, the White House issuing a statement urging all sides. 882 01:16:37,898 --> 01:16:39,700 It was taking its toll. 883 01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,670 A big toll was police against civilians. 884 01:16:42,770 --> 01:16:46,974 Warden was doing damage but trying to avoid a body count. 885 01:16:47,074 --> 01:16:51,045 Shocking images of violence in the streets of Nova Sao Paulo as residents 886 01:16:51,145 --> 01:16:54,181 gathered as an act of protest that appears to have descended into violence. 887 01:16:54,281 --> 01:16:56,050 This brawl. 888 01:16:56,484 --> 01:16:59,086 People in masks just tearing into each other. 889 01:17:08,729 --> 01:17:10,698 As bad as it was for the police. 890 01:17:10,798 --> 01:17:13,467 They're taking territory, they're holding it, 891 01:17:13,734 --> 01:17:16,137 and they're pacifying the civilian population. 892 01:17:16,504 --> 01:17:20,141 Finally that evening, they have a tight cordon around Warden's 893 01:17:20,241 --> 01:17:24,044 building and more police units mobilizing. 894 01:17:24,245 --> 01:17:25,813 He's surrounded. 895 01:17:25,913 --> 01:17:27,214 He's not going anywhere. 896 01:17:27,314 --> 01:17:29,683 Now, this is the dilemma. 897 01:17:30,151 --> 01:17:31,752 There's only one way into that building. 898 01:17:32,853 --> 01:17:36,991 And the police know that they're not going in there without losing 899 01:17:37,592 --> 01:17:41,061 hundreds of troops and possibly more civilians. 900 01:17:41,195 --> 01:17:44,832 They're not going to be able to arrest Warden. It's a siege. 901 01:17:45,699 --> 01:17:48,002 And the plan was to see how far Warden would go. 902 01:17:54,509 --> 01:17:56,611 And now you've got pressure on the Governor. 903 01:17:56,844 --> 01:17:58,613 You've got the President calling. 904 01:17:58,712 --> 01:18:02,016 You've got casualties, damage in the water and power 905 01:18:02,116 --> 01:18:05,520 supplies, the possibility of unrest in other cities. 906 01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,889 Everything is pushing toward a fast resolution. 907 01:18:08,989 --> 01:18:13,260 And I think it occurred to a lot of people, especially around Warden, 908 01:18:14,061 --> 01:18:16,565 that times like these times of crisis 909 01:18:17,364 --> 01:18:20,868 are when you get to make the big changes to your wish list. 910 01:18:20,968 --> 01:18:22,236 Warden did his part 911 01:18:23,304 --> 01:18:26,307 and he faced those policemen, thousands of them, outside his building, 912 01:18:26,740 --> 01:18:30,244 and he made it clear that he wasn't going to abandon his city. 913 01:18:30,579 --> 01:18:33,615 My job was to make sure that this incursion 914 01:18:34,248 --> 01:18:36,383 didn't turn into facts on the ground. 915 01:18:50,864 --> 01:18:52,601 This was the deal. 916 01:18:53,033 --> 01:18:56,571 The state would withdraw all of its emergency forces out of the city 917 01:18:57,204 --> 01:19:00,174 and the state will allow the city to govern its affairs in accordance 918 01:19:00,274 --> 01:19:02,776 with the wishes of the people who lived here. 919 01:19:03,043 --> 01:19:05,446 That meant holding a vote, a plebiscite. 920 01:19:05,879 --> 01:19:09,684 The people from Nova Sao Paulo would decide whether to investigate Warden 921 01:19:09,917 --> 01:19:13,854 or give him the legal tools he needed to best serve the city 922 01:19:14,121 --> 01:19:15,690 and to the rest of the country. 923 01:19:15,789 --> 01:19:17,458 It was a statement We want our business, you mind yours 924 01:19:20,060 --> 01:19:22,963 and by our example we'll show you that we've got the better way. 925 01:19:23,063 --> 01:19:24,798 Voters in Nova Sao Paulo 926 01:19:24,898 --> 01:19:28,269 They'll decide whether to grant Warden sweeping new powers or leave 927 01:19:28,369 --> 01:19:29,970 the justice system intact. 928 01:19:30,070 --> 01:19:32,172 Warden has promised to abide by the result, 929 01:19:32,273 --> 01:19:36,578 even if a no vote would force him to face prosecution by the state government. 930 01:20:20,454 --> 01:20:24,358 There's this thing that a lot of us think that the king, 931 01:20:24,925 --> 01:20:28,429 the emperor, just marches up to the throne and says, I'm in charge now. 932 01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:31,065 But that's not true. 933 01:20:31,165 --> 01:20:33,067 That's not how it happens. 934 01:20:33,167 --> 01:20:37,639 The first Roman emperor was given his powers one at a time 935 01:20:37,871 --> 01:20:43,177 by the Senate to save the republic. 936 01:20:43,277 --> 01:20:45,446 They didn't even call him the emperor. 937 01:20:45,547 --> 01:20:47,948 They called him the Princeps. 938 01:20:48,048 --> 01:20:50,518 It meant first citizen. 939 01:20:50,851 --> 01:20:53,788 On the surface, it was the status quo. 940 01:20:54,355 --> 01:20:58,058 But behind the scenes, Warden had been given a state within a state, 941 01:20:58,992 --> 01:21:00,595 he could run things his way. 942 01:21:00,695 --> 01:21:03,197 Whatever that meant on any given day, and anybody who didn't like 943 01:21:03,297 --> 01:21:05,633 could just get the hell out. 944 01:21:07,134 --> 01:21:09,370 I left as soon as the fighting stopped. 945 01:21:10,839 --> 01:21:14,108 It felt like witness protection, 946 01:21:14,542 --> 01:21:18,445 you know, new city, new home, new friends. 947 01:21:19,179 --> 01:21:22,617 And I know that if he wants to, he'll find me or it'll be someone 948 01:21:22,717 --> 01:21:25,687 he doesn't even know who wants to be part of the movement. But. 949 01:21:27,421 --> 01:21:30,891 I wanted to tell the truth first. 950 01:22:14,101 --> 01:22:17,539 I have been told the execs from our parent company were flying 951 01:22:17,639 --> 01:22:22,342 in the next morning to meet with my producers , so I knew that wasn't good. 952 01:22:22,911 --> 01:22:26,180 People were already trying to get me off the air. 953 01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,015 I was a liability. 954 01:22:28,115 --> 01:22:30,552 And with the meeting happening, 955 01:22:31,151 --> 01:22:35,956 I pretty much knew that night would be my last broadcast. 956 01:22:36,758 --> 01:22:38,893 They were shooting right at the messenger. 957 01:22:38,992 --> 01:22:43,865 So I received a call from my boss in the UK headquarters. 958 01:22:44,566 --> 01:22:48,870 So very polite conversation wherein I was informed 959 01:22:49,503 --> 01:22:54,876 that the owners had essentially terminated 960 01:22:55,242 --> 01:22:58,412 the whole newsroom in Brazil, effective immediately. 961 01:22:59,079 --> 01:23:04,218 You look at the news coverage since we left, I think Warden's been pretty happy. 962 01:23:04,318 --> 01:23:07,956 Warden was about controlling the message. But look 963 01:23:09,289 --> 01:23:11,826 Yeah. What's that line? 964 01:23:12,292 --> 01:23:14,995 Democracy is the theory that. 965 01:23:16,296 --> 01:23:18,600 People know what they want 966 01:23:18,700 --> 01:23:23,036 and deserve to get it good and hard. 967 01:23:25,773 --> 01:23:29,009 I think people. Got what they asked for. 968 01:23:36,283 --> 01:23:39,621 I was very proud of the work I done as a state attorney general. 969 01:23:40,487 --> 01:23:42,256 But after speaking with Warden, 970 01:23:42,356 --> 01:23:45,192 we came to the conclusion that I would best serve the city as Mayor. 971 01:23:45,793 --> 01:23:48,362 And fortunately, people agreed. 972 01:23:48,462 --> 01:23:52,065 And I think all the work we did speaks for itself. 973 01:23:53,801 --> 01:23:55,302 There's no denying that. 974 01:23:55,402 --> 01:23:58,606 Nova Paulo, the city that Romeu Filho and Warden 975 01:23:58,706 --> 01:24:01,041 are building will impress you. 976 01:24:02,075 --> 01:24:04,378 It wants to impress you. 977 01:24:04,913 --> 01:24:07,649 Its skyline is its own message. 978 01:24:07,749 --> 01:24:10,450 Look at what we can do. 979 01:24:10,552 --> 01:24:13,287 It's one part Singapore, one part Sparta. 980 01:24:13,922 --> 01:24:16,591 In this state of perpetual high alert, 981 01:24:16,991 --> 01:24:21,663 looking every day for attacks from without and traitors from within. 982 01:24:21,763 --> 01:24:24,732 There it is. He has his city. 983 01:24:25,332 --> 01:24:27,869 He enforces the law his way. 984 01:24:28,770 --> 01:24:33,073 Frankly, I think it's the perfect expression of what a superhero is. 985 01:24:33,741 --> 01:24:36,109 A lot of it, you'll recognize, looks the same. 986 01:24:36,209 --> 01:24:39,079 But there's an iron curtain. 987 01:24:39,179 --> 01:24:43,317 You don't get a lot of news that's real. You get rumors. 988 01:24:43,751 --> 01:24:47,354 Now, Warden is doing less and less public appearances. 989 01:24:47,454 --> 01:24:49,489 He is spending more time alone. 990 01:24:49,591 --> 01:24:52,994 He's angrier. He's paranoid. 991 01:24:53,093 --> 01:24:55,462 He sees enemies and rats everywhere. 992 01:24:55,563 --> 01:24:58,666 Ever since people came forward about him. 993 01:24:58,766 --> 01:25:02,135 Now, if you live in Nova Sao Paulo, 994 01:25:02,604 --> 01:25:05,773 you're going to think twice before criticizing Warden. 995 01:25:05,873 --> 01:25:07,775 And if you read anything about the city, 996 01:25:07,875 --> 01:25:10,845 it's because Warden allowed it to be published. 997 01:25:11,278 --> 01:25:14,782 Anything else gets branded a conspiracy theory and shouted down. 998 01:25:15,550 --> 01:25:18,686 So the truth is getting murkier and murkier, 999 01:25:19,787 --> 01:25:24,559 and the collective sense of reality is slipping away. 1000 01:26:04,632 --> 01:26:07,769 You hear his obsessed with his legacy. 1001 01:26:07,869 --> 01:26:10,905 He needs to know what comes after him. 1002 01:26:11,005 --> 01:26:12,840 You hear about researchers. 1003 01:26:12,940 --> 01:26:17,679 He has them doing experiments trying to duplicate whatever made him 1004 01:26:17,779 --> 01:26:20,280 everything he swore not to do. 1005 01:26:20,380 --> 01:26:26,020 Criminals. Suspects disappear, but 1006 01:26:26,954 --> 01:26:30,692 We don't know that. Romeu Filho keeps it under guard 1007 01:26:32,060 --> 01:26:33,861 the new way can't be wrong. 1008 01:26:34,696 --> 01:26:36,396 It's still too much to gain for the winners. 1009 01:26:36,496 --> 01:26:40,802 So the message from everyone every day, business, news 1010 01:26:41,201 --> 01:26:42,737 is that the city is thriving. 1011 01:26:42,837 --> 01:26:45,238 The city is safe. 1012 01:26:45,338 --> 01:26:47,407 The city is defying its critics. 1013 01:26:47,508 --> 01:26:50,712 It's silenced the doubts. It's kicked out the traitors. 1014 01:26:50,812 --> 01:26:52,647 It's found a better way. 1015 01:26:52,747 --> 01:26:54,048 It has its Warden. 1016 01:26:55,550 --> 01:26:58,351 And now the real work can begin. 89687

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