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The new lion comes in,
kills them,
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and takes over their bread.
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Same thing in the mob.
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Your best friend is the one
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that's going to whack
you next time.
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You never know who it is.
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It's never-ending.
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I started getting a lot
of respect.
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I'm with the biggest family
there is, in control of Toronto.
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I'd kill for him.
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I would do it in a blind sight.
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I wouldn't hesitate.
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The mob is what controls
the world.
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Drug Lord is one thing.
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Bikers are another thing...
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But the mob controls
banks, lawyers, policemen,
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money laundering, drugs.
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The worldwide, you're talking
about $80 billion a year.
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It's like an octopus.
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You have your fingers
everywhere, every country,
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it's never ending.
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Most people are completely
swamped by the American
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mythology of organized crime.
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The reasons for the mob’s
success are clear,
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organization and discipline,
vows of secrecy and loyalty,
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insulation of its leaders from
direct criminal involvement.
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It's a very nasty world,
very violent.
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There's not only Sicilians,
there are those from Calabria,
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the southern part of Italy, the
Calabrese called the ‘Ndrangheta
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The ‘Ndrangheta basically
morphed from something in Italy,
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to the new world.
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It’s a very different situation
here in Canada.
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Remo Commisso runs the Commisso
clan in Toronto, Canada.
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If you wanted to draw a picture
of a mafia leader,
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he would be it.
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They’re organized crime,
murder incorporated.
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They kill people
and get away with it.
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The Commisso were new Canadians
who were more aggressive.
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There was a lot of money in
getting people shot or scared
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or blown up.
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My name is Alberto Josepe
Ferraro Moya.
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I knew that I wasn't
a normal kid.
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I stabbed the first guy
at 13 years old
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'cause he was treating me bad.
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That's when I realized
I wasn't normal.
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I realized that if you push me,
I would hurt you, right?
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I’m born in Ecuador, 1962.
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I’m part Italian
and part Spanish.
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I was nine and a half years old
when we got to Canada
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and we moved to
the St. Clair area,
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which was an Italian area.
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My father opened up a business.
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When we got to Toronto,
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we opened up a supermarket
business
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and we started selling
Italian food.
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I started seeing
people walking in,
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and the people were coming
in with high-end cars
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and they would gamble all day.
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And the back of the coffee shop,
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there was a gambling area
where the Italians hang out.
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I liked what they were doing.
I liked the people walked in,
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how they had money, you have
class and you had to work.
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They just gamble all day
so I was intrigued by it.
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I said, I don't want to live
like a normal guy.
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- you get these guys
coming in,
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these gangsters with Camaros
and Porsches and Corvettes,
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nice clothes, sit down,
gamble all day,
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have coffees and drinks and bet
$500 or a $1,000 a hand
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and playing Italian games
and so that intrigued me.
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So I decided that day when
I was almost 13, I said,
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this is what I want to do.
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If you kill someone
in the Italian mob,
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you are never safe.
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You can try to insulate
yourself.
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You can try to grow to power,
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but vengeance has no timeline
with the mafia.
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The biggest cause of most
traditional organized
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crime deaths is revenge,
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and revenge can come
from anything.
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When it comes to organized crime
so much of what they do
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is built on money, on muscle, on
fear, on intimidation, on power,
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but underneath all of that,
it's built on vengeance.
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And with the Italian mob,
vengeance has no timeline.
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They do not forget.
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In the 1940s, the father of Remo
and Cosimo Commisso
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was murdered in Italy.
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Fast forward 40 years, the
Commissos are here in Canada.
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They're serving time
in jail for their crimes,
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but there's an opportunity
to strike back.
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So I remember at 13 years old,
when I left the house,
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I was starting to do karate.
I started doing martial arts.
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I was doing wrestling.
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So I needed to do this
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because I knew that I need it
in the future.
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I have to be a badass
to protect myself
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and be somebody
that's aggressive.
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So when I used to go
to the Gold's Gym,
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I started meeting drug dealers,
they had dope,
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and I would talk to them
and we'd hang out with them
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and we'll have a coffee, and
then I say, hey, buy from me.
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I say, okay, I'll buy from you
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and I'll sell it
to the other guys.
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I start making income, right?
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Then I said, okay, now
we're going something bigger.
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Let's do some coke.
We start selling coke.
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And it started growing and to
the point where I was making
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so much money, I was like,
wow, this is good, you know.
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I had a providing guy
that was bringing the coke,
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like large amounts.
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At that time, bringing
200-300 kilos.
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So now I had a good price
I could compete.
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So I asked my friends,
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I said, I need a big supply
for steroids.
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I need to make money.
How am I going to do this?
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Don't worry, I have a friend
in United States.
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So we start buying $20,000-
$30,000 of steroids a month,
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and I could sell that
to 70,000, 80,000.
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I could make double, triple
the price.
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So, I thought perfectly,
let's do that.
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In my 30'... the Ferraro crew
started in the '80's.
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That’s when I made the crew.
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They became a group of 50
like hardcore soldiers.
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I mean hardcore.
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Like Phil... Phil McDonald he’s
in jail, 20 years, 25 years,
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but he used to bring me
every single guy that was
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10 years, 5 years, 15 years,
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that was hardcore people
that really did their time.
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He’d bring 'em to me.
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The baddest of the bad.
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In my 30’s my main business
was collections
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because it was quick money.
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At the end it was very easy
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'cause our name
was very powerful
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so we had no problem.
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My guys were really serious.
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We weren’t like Mickey Mouse,
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like when we collect,
we collect.
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We didn’t fail any collection.
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So they only way--
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some companies would say,
you know what,
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a fee, the guy owes me
2 million or 3 million
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and they’ll say you know,
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I’ll give you 50 percent or
40 percent if you collect it.
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I just had to say come in
and listen my friend,
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there is a debt outstanding,
we have to fix this problem.
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How would you like to pay it?
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But if you don't wanna
tell me that,
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you can tell me fuck yourself.
Fuck you, get out of my office
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and I'm gonna walk out
of the office
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and say thank you very much,
shake my hand,
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and we'll see you later.
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That's how I had to say it.
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I never said said I'm gonna beat
the fuck outta you,
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I'm gonna kill you, I don't
have to do that.
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And 99 percent of the time,
they would say we like to pay.
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And the one percent time that
didn't happen after a few times,
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the word got out on the street
that you had to pay.
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You know you are better off
paying cause the sooner--
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you're gonna get it anyways.
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And then you're gonna pay double
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because now you got me more
costs and now you pissed us off
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so you're gonna pay a bit more, right?
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There was construction companies
that were doing dealings.
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Some companies would pay a fee
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so there would be no
disturbances to their project.
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So disturbance means
the project,
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means that nobody’s
gonna hold on
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to the project and take longer
than it is,
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could cost them millions
and millions of dollars.
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People would pay me 50,000,
100,000 to make sure
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that their building
would be constructed
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and no one would come
and ask them for any costs.
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And let's say the building
is 13 floors
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and you say oh can I get one
or two floors more?
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And you think it’s nothing
but those two floors
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are millions and
millions of dollars
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'cause it’s just the same
structure
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just a little more building.
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So they would pay a fee
for making sure
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that no one would give them
a problem
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and you could get those permits
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or you could get that
building quicker and done
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without having someone come
in and muscle you.
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We call it protection fee, right?
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Some clubs pay for, or
discotheques pay protection fee
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for no one to bother them,
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we have no people coming
in and breaking your club,
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coming in a smashing your club
or shutting it down.
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So there’s no fights inside
your club
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or no one’s gonna do any
damage, right?
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So it’s like an insurance
policy.
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I call it an insurance policy.
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So if they pay that
for insurance policy
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everything be perfect.
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In the mafia you can only rely
on certain people
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to do certain jobs.
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You have to have
the right mentality,
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you have to have the strength,
the actual physical strength
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that we’re talking enforcers,
to shake people down,
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to get violent when needed,
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or the ability to intimidate
people.
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Joe Ferraro is muscle.
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He would go around trying
to collect debts from people,
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he would go around
intimidating people.
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Joe Ferraro’s been known to cut
people’s limbs off.
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In the 1980s, there was a war
that broke out
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between the Costa family
and the Commisso family,
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and it all started
over a pissing match
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and it ended in vengeance
and death.
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One of the members
of the Costa family,
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for some reason in the middle
of the night,
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went into the bedroom of one of
the Commisso bosses in Italy,
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whipped it out and took a piss
all over his bed,
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plastered the thing
with his urine.
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This incensed Commisso and all
because of this pissing match,
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he literally decided he was
going to start a war
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against the Costa family
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and that they're all
to be wiped out,
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flushed down the toilet like
a bunch of piss themselves.
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Police in Calabria, Italy
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arrested seven suspected members
of the underworld today.
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They're believed to be involved
in a war
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that's raging among organized
crime families in the region.
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Feuds that break out
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between some of these factions
are unbelievable.
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The things that these people
will do to each other,
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you would never even think of.
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The victim of the mob style hit
was 38-year-old Giovanni Costa,
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who bled to death from
a massive throat wound
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within moments after being shot
at close range with a shotgun,
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There's over 20 members of
the Costa family murdered.
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One of them even being here
in Toronto,
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taken out by a hit squad
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that the Commisso family
sent to Toronto.
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Police intelligence sources say
three of Giovanni's brothers
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were killed during mafia
gang wars
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in Calabria in southern Italy.
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They come here to wipe out
as many Costas as they can,
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and this feud that all started
with a leak
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ends up with blood being spelled
on the streets of Toronto.
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So the next thing was where
I could make more action.
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I knew that the power was
in Woodbridge.
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That's where you're going
to grow.
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Woodbridge area
is mostly Italians.
245
00:18:00,077 --> 00:18:02,122
It's a wealthy area where
there's a lot of money.
246
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There's private houses,
there are mansions.
247
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It's the economy of Italians.
248
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It's basically where
everything moves.
249
00:18:10,047 --> 00:18:11,422
But all the people
from St. Clair
250
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that made millions at that time,
251
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the mobs or the families
that made money
252
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go to Woodbridge because
they had the bigger mansion,
253
00:18:17,721 --> 00:18:19,596
they had the bigger fancier car.
254
00:18:19,597 --> 00:18:21,766
Everybody had to have
a Range Rover.
255
00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:24,228
You had to have that 5,000
square foot home.
256
00:18:25,645 --> 00:18:27,355
I moved there in the '90's.
257
00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,566
The people had money,
the people had cash.
258
00:18:30,567 --> 00:18:32,442
I had two limos.
I had the Mercedes,
259
00:18:32,443 --> 00:18:35,780
I had the Lambo,
had the Ferrari,
260
00:18:35,905 --> 00:18:40,117
and people would knock on
my house and say, is that car,
261
00:18:40,243 --> 00:18:42,370
can I rent it?
262
00:18:42,371 --> 00:18:44,789
And I'd say, well, it's not
for rent, it's my private car.
263
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But then they started asking me,
264
00:18:47,416 --> 00:18:49,252
I said, okay, you know what I'm
going to, as a joke, lemme try.
265
00:18:54,173 --> 00:18:56,551
So I opened up a company,
266
00:18:56,676 --> 00:18:57,803
it was called Ferraros
Exotic Car Rentals
267
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and Limousine Service.
268
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And all of a sudden people
were coming there every day
269
00:19:01,097 --> 00:19:03,851
renting limos for weddings, graduations.
270
00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:05,726
I said, I'll buy two more.
271
00:19:05,727 --> 00:19:08,104
So I bought two more, two more,
two more.
272
00:19:08,105 --> 00:19:10,439
And I ended up 30 limos,
30 limos.
273
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,441
I had like $3 million,
$4 million worth of cars.
274
00:19:12,442 --> 00:19:14,277
I'm like, wow, this is great.
275
00:19:14,278 --> 00:19:16,237
And as a joke, I was thinking,
276
00:19:16,238 --> 00:19:18,240
this is a good business
just to launder my money.
277
00:19:18,365 --> 00:19:20,283
I thought this is perfect.
278
00:19:20,284 --> 00:19:22,161
Your businesses, they pay you
the weddings by checks
279
00:19:22,286 --> 00:19:24,370
and stuff like that.
280
00:19:24,371 --> 00:19:25,662
I started laundering money
through there and this business
281
00:19:25,663 --> 00:19:27,623
started making millions,
started making me more profit.
282
00:19:27,624 --> 00:19:29,834
Like, wow, this is great.
283
00:19:29,835 --> 00:19:32,127
I had big companies coming
in and then I had these CEOs
284
00:19:32,128 --> 00:19:34,672
of companies taking my limos.
285
00:19:34,673 --> 00:19:36,508
And my driver would say,
boss,
286
00:19:36,633 --> 00:19:38,258
you know what these guys
were talking about
287
00:19:38,259 --> 00:19:40,303
how they're going to up
the price of the stock
288
00:19:40,304 --> 00:19:41,761
and how much they're going
to buy
289
00:19:41,762 --> 00:19:43,221
and how much they're going
to drop.
290
00:19:43,222 --> 00:19:44,347
So I started realizing
that these people
291
00:19:44,348 --> 00:19:45,726
were just as crooked as us.
292
00:19:51,815 --> 00:19:54,316
I remember being in Reggio
Calabria once
293
00:19:54,317 --> 00:19:59,698
talking to a police officer,
and I said to him,
294
00:19:59,823 --> 00:20:01,866
how many murders a month
you get here?
295
00:20:01,991 --> 00:20:04,826
He said, this month we had 65.
296
00:20:04,827 --> 00:20:07,705
I’m like 65 murders?!
How do you manage that?
297
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:09,875
In Toronto, they get 65 a year.
298
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,375
It takes them years
to develop a case.
299
00:20:12,376 --> 00:20:15,756
And he's like, what case?
Take a picture, chalk the body.
300
00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:19,218
He says, 'cause tomorrow
the guy that did this killing,
301
00:20:19,343 --> 00:20:21,345
he's going to be dead because
they'll kill him tomorrow.
302
00:20:25,473 --> 00:20:27,767
The mafia is everywhere.
303
00:20:27,768 --> 00:20:31,563
You go to small towns, you go
to big towns, it's the mafia.
304
00:20:31,688 --> 00:20:33,064
They may be different colours,
305
00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:34,731
they may be different
generations.
306
00:20:34,732 --> 00:20:36,943
They may be different ethnic
sort of backgrounds
307
00:20:37,068 --> 00:20:40,195
in terms of Calabrese, Sicilian,
the Kimora,
308
00:20:40,196 --> 00:20:43,366
for example in Naples,
but it's the mafia.
309
00:22:24,134 --> 00:22:26,595
Kidnapping is big business
in Italy.
310
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,179
Within the last 10 years,
311
00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:30,306
the families of over 400
wealthy Italians
312
00:22:30,307 --> 00:22:34,853
have paid ransoms totaling
over $100 million.
313
00:22:34,978 --> 00:22:37,396
At that time, kidnapping of
industrialists in Italy
314
00:22:37,521 --> 00:22:41,734
was sort of the daily event, so
they would kidnap these guys.
315
00:22:41,859 --> 00:22:44,779
They would run 'em down
to the Astro Mountain range
316
00:22:44,904 --> 00:22:47,655
where they had caves and you
couldn't find these guys,
317
00:22:47,656 --> 00:22:49,409
so then they would ransom them.
318
00:22:51,452 --> 00:22:53,704
The money was laundered in
Toronto through a travel agency
319
00:22:53,829 --> 00:22:56,458
down to the Bank of America
in New York.
320
00:24:06,819 --> 00:24:09,113
I ended up getting ahold of
an FBI agent of New York,
321
00:24:09,114 --> 00:24:13,492
purely by chance by the name
of Rick Demberger.
322
00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:17,955
In 1987, I was involved
developing a case
323
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,835
based upon an undercover
drug purchase.
324
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,422
An opportunity arose for a
heroin purchase to be made
325
00:24:26,423 --> 00:24:29,843
in August of 1988.
326
00:24:31,178 --> 00:24:34,638
The heroin came from
one of the underlings
327
00:24:34,763 --> 00:24:37,558
who worked at the Cafe Giardino,
328
00:24:37,683 --> 00:24:41,020
which is the Gambino
Brothers Club.
329
00:24:41,145 --> 00:24:44,566
That heroin was delivered.
330
00:24:44,691 --> 00:24:47,776
It was tested out and determined
to be beige heroine
331
00:24:47,777 --> 00:24:50,029
somewhere in the 40 percent
range.
332
00:24:51,865 --> 00:24:53,866
We started talking about
the heroin business,
333
00:24:53,991 --> 00:24:59,205
and he's telling me he had
just got a sample of,
334
00:24:59,330 --> 00:25:01,665
I'm going to say I think it was
around 40 percent.
335
00:25:01,790 --> 00:25:04,043
I realize we're talking
the same stuff.
336
00:25:04,044 --> 00:25:06,630
We had the same percentage of
stuff that we were-- in Toronto.
337
00:25:08,298 --> 00:25:11,842
The presumption was
that the Gambino brothers,
338
00:25:11,843 --> 00:25:14,511
John and Joe Gambino
and their crew
339
00:25:14,637 --> 00:25:16,890
had a drug operation going on.
340
00:25:17,015 --> 00:25:20,227
The investigation revealed
that the Gambino brothers
341
00:25:20,352 --> 00:25:23,771
were not the origin point of it
in any way.
342
00:25:23,896 --> 00:25:26,566
That the origin specifically
involved
343
00:25:26,691 --> 00:25:30,612
a new group on our radar,
known as the ‘Ndrangheta
344
00:25:30,737 --> 00:25:33,155
based in Calabria in Italy.
345
00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:38,577
It was essentially a conspiracy
to import heroin
346
00:25:38,702 --> 00:25:42,038
and a conspiracy
to export cocaine.
347
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:45,041
The heroin would come here,
the money would go to New York.
348
00:25:45,042 --> 00:25:46,835
Cocaine was being shipped
to Italy.
349
00:25:46,836 --> 00:25:48,336
I think one of the only things
350
00:25:48,337 --> 00:25:50,213
that actually tripped
the Italians
351
00:25:50,214 --> 00:25:52,508
was some of it was being shipped
as baby clothes,
352
00:25:52,509 --> 00:25:54,051
and it was going to a woman
in Italy
353
00:25:54,176 --> 00:25:55,761
who was almost 100 years old.
354
00:25:57,263 --> 00:25:59,847
The box was opened
and the clothing
355
00:25:59,848 --> 00:26:02,684
was clearly not baby clothes.
356
00:26:02,685 --> 00:26:06,855
It was a towel, some loose cloth
and blocks of cocaine.
357
00:26:08,482 --> 00:26:11,152
We had a clear understanding
that there were many days
358
00:26:11,278 --> 00:26:14,280
before when this same
activity happened.
359
00:26:14,405 --> 00:26:17,826
The same individuals came down
from Canada with money
360
00:26:17,951 --> 00:26:20,743
or had money wired down
to New York,
361
00:26:20,744 --> 00:26:23,789
contacted Colombian
cocaine groups,
362
00:26:23,914 --> 00:26:27,085
bought cocaine and shipped it
back to Italy.
363
00:26:27,210 --> 00:26:30,879
We got an understanding
that this group essentially
364
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,924
attributed to... Gioisa Jonica,
365
00:26:34,925 --> 00:26:38,095
which is a small town
in Calabria.
366
00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:42,601
He was the head of a family
or clan there that was active
367
00:26:42,726 --> 00:26:45,102
in the importation of cocaine,
368
00:26:45,103 --> 00:26:48,105
and the postal authorities
in that small town
369
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:51,607
kept copies of the customs
declaration
370
00:26:51,608 --> 00:26:54,278
affixed to the front
of the packages
371
00:26:54,403 --> 00:26:57,614
that revealed the shipper,
the recipient,
372
00:26:57,615 --> 00:27:01,994
the weight and baby clothes.
373
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,624
We were able to develop
a listing over time
374
00:27:05,749 --> 00:27:10,170
that totaled 127 and a half
pounds of cocaine
375
00:27:10,295 --> 00:27:15,008
that had been shipped over
the span of August 1988
376
00:27:15,133 --> 00:27:18,094
through February 1989.
377
00:27:19,762 --> 00:27:20,971
We prosecuted people in Toronto.
378
00:27:21,096 --> 00:27:22,807
We prosecuted people in New York
379
00:27:22,932 --> 00:27:24,516
and the Italians went to town
in Italy
380
00:27:24,517 --> 00:27:26,353
and prosecuted a whole bunch
over there.
381
00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:28,145
One of the leaders
of the Italian
382
00:27:28,270 --> 00:27:30,314
was a guy named Vittorio Ierino.
383
00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:33,107
He came to Toronto with his wife
and a young boy
384
00:27:33,108 --> 00:27:37,196
because his young boy was,
had some serious medical issues
385
00:27:37,321 --> 00:27:40,240
where he could only be treated
at Sick Kids Hospital.
386
00:27:40,366 --> 00:27:43,036
But the first thing he did after
he dropped his wife
387
00:27:43,161 --> 00:27:46,622
at the hospital was he came
straight to the Casa Commisso
388
00:27:46,623 --> 00:27:48,916
and he met the Commissos.
389
00:27:49,041 --> 00:27:51,000
When you see that,
390
00:27:51,001 --> 00:27:54,381
you understand that the
Commissos are a powerful faction
391
00:27:54,506 --> 00:27:56,839
because otherwise,
why would you do that?
392
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,258
Is he kissing the ring?
393
00:27:58,259 --> 00:28:00,009
Absolutely. He's kissing
the ring.
394
00:28:00,010 --> 00:28:02,137
They were the leaders
without a doubt.
395
00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:17,069
Neil was a lieutenant
for the Commissos.
396
00:28:17,194 --> 00:28:22,075
Neil on his own was a very
successful businessman.
397
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,702
He owned nurseries where
they grow trees, flowers,
398
00:28:26,703 --> 00:28:28,913
that kind of type of stuff.
399
00:28:28,914 --> 00:28:32,961
He owned gymnasiums because
of course they sold steroids
400
00:28:33,086 --> 00:28:34,920
and distributed steroids.
401
00:28:34,921 --> 00:28:38,967
He was a definite go-to guy
for Cosimo Commisso.
402
00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:41,051
So at that time in the '90's
403
00:28:41,176 --> 00:28:45,180
I started hanging out
with Neil, Cosimo.
404
00:28:45,181 --> 00:28:47,057
I had good power in the streets.
405
00:28:47,182 --> 00:28:49,684
My job was more street
control, right?
406
00:28:49,685 --> 00:28:51,645
I was more street guy,
you know?
407
00:28:56,067 --> 00:28:57,943
And at that time, the big deal
was ecstasy.
408
00:28:58,068 --> 00:28:59,945
Everybody started talking about
this ecstasy deal
409
00:29:00,070 --> 00:29:02,490
and the clubs downtown,
they were doing raves.
410
00:29:02,615 --> 00:29:05,200
They would make millions
of dollars in a year in sales
411
00:29:05,201 --> 00:29:08,788
for water bottles and the clubs
and selling these pills.
412
00:29:09,955 --> 00:29:11,539
One of my guys,
413
00:29:11,540 --> 00:29:13,249
I'll never forget,
he comes to my office.
414
00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:15,836
He goes, boss, why don't we
going into ecstasy business?
415
00:29:15,961 --> 00:29:17,086
I have a connection
in Amsterdam.
416
00:29:17,087 --> 00:29:19,088
I can bring it in for cheap.
417
00:29:19,089 --> 00:29:21,342
I said, okay.
So I said, well, how much is it?
418
00:29:21,468 --> 00:29:23,427
He goes, I could get him
for around two bucks a pill.
419
00:29:23,428 --> 00:29:25,304
I'm like saying,
are you serious?
420
00:29:25,305 --> 00:29:28,891
$2 a pill.
I could sell it for $20 a pill.
421
00:29:28,892 --> 00:29:31,144
I said, let's try one.
Let's bring 30,000 pills.
422
00:29:32,686 --> 00:29:35,022
As soon as it lands
to my office,
423
00:29:35,147 --> 00:29:39,318
I have a buyer for about $15,
$17, a whole thing in one shot.
424
00:29:39,443 --> 00:29:43,404
Wow. I made $150,000,
$20,000 in one day.
425
00:29:43,405 --> 00:29:46,701
I'm like, wow, this is
a good business.
426
00:29:48,494 --> 00:29:50,121
I was getting so much money.
It was just crazy.
427
00:29:50,246 --> 00:29:52,749
One day I made
$1.2 million in one day.
428
00:29:54,834 --> 00:29:56,919
I had the businesses going,
had everything going.
429
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,880
So what's my next market?
430
00:29:59,005 --> 00:30:02,008
My next market goes to become
a real mobster.
431
00:30:05,178 --> 00:30:06,636
I wanted to get into mob,
432
00:30:06,637 --> 00:30:08,764
I wanted to be part of
the main family.
433
00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:11,142
And the main family was
controlled by Neil and Cosimo
434
00:30:11,267 --> 00:30:13,060
in Woodbridge area.
435
00:30:16,314 --> 00:30:18,231
And when we started
working together,
436
00:30:18,232 --> 00:30:19,358
he started sending me to
the captains in each crew
437
00:30:19,483 --> 00:30:21,151
to buy from me.
438
00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:22,986
A guy will come and say
I need 30,000 ecstasies,
439
00:30:22,987 --> 00:30:25,780
40,000 ecstasies or I need
100 pounds of weed,
440
00:30:25,781 --> 00:30:27,324
200 pounds of weed.
441
00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:29,243
So I was like, wow,
this is perfect.
442
00:30:29,368 --> 00:30:31,871
Now, I'm making more money,
which is crazy.
443
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:36,209
Neil was getting really closer
to me,
444
00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:38,752
anything he'd ask
I would do for him.
445
00:30:38,877 --> 00:30:40,461
And then he asked me for
a favor one time,
446
00:30:40,462 --> 00:30:43,048
he has a problem downtown
with some guys,
447
00:30:43,173 --> 00:30:46,133
so I sent 30 guys down there
to help the problem.
448
00:30:46,134 --> 00:30:48,887
He was very appreciative for me
sending in so many guys
449
00:30:49,012 --> 00:30:51,516
last minute call just to make
sure it was done.
450
00:30:51,641 --> 00:30:53,392
So that's when we started
getting closer.
451
00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:55,019
And then he started coming
over the office
452
00:30:55,144 --> 00:30:57,354
and we'd have meetings.
453
00:30:57,355 --> 00:31:00,191
And they were very nice to me
and invite me to his house,
454
00:31:00,316 --> 00:31:02,442
to have BBQ and have dinner
and New Years,
455
00:31:02,568 --> 00:31:05,027
my kids, my wife and we became
close like...
456
00:31:05,028 --> 00:31:06,239
we became friends.
457
00:31:07,824 --> 00:31:10,325
And then go to the restaurant
and have lunch all day you know.
458
00:31:10,326 --> 00:31:12,537
Cosimo would come and Neil
would come and we'd sit down
459
00:31:12,662 --> 00:31:14,371
and we’d have lunch.
460
00:31:14,372 --> 00:31:16,038
We’d have bottles
of wine and talk,
461
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:17,583
like they brought me
in as a family.
462
00:31:17,584 --> 00:31:18,334
They brought me in close,
you know.
463
00:31:20,627 --> 00:31:24,214
And I said okay,
well now I got respect.
464
00:31:24,339 --> 00:31:26,425
The only person I respected
was Cosimo and Neil.
465
00:31:26,550 --> 00:31:28,303
They’re my bosses, that’s it.
466
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:33,391
Old fashioned, real men,
really Italian background.
467
00:31:33,516 --> 00:31:35,977
Their word means something,
you know.
468
00:31:36,102 --> 00:31:38,060
You don't have to sign
a contract with Neil.
469
00:31:38,061 --> 00:31:40,021
You don't have to just--
shake your hand, it's done.
470
00:31:40,022 --> 00:31:43,566
I was more the gangster street
guy, less rules.
471
00:31:43,567 --> 00:31:45,987
But when I started getting
involved with 'em,
472
00:31:46,112 --> 00:31:48,070
I started to realize
there's rules,
473
00:31:48,071 --> 00:31:51,074
but then again,
there's more benefits, right?
474
00:31:51,075 --> 00:31:52,951
I just started going so big.
475
00:31:53,076 --> 00:31:55,537
I had power, I had money,
I had respect.
476
00:31:55,538 --> 00:31:57,497
I had everything I needed.
477
00:31:57,498 --> 00:31:59,082
'Cause now I’m with the biggest
family there is,
478
00:31:59,083 --> 00:32:00,835
in control of Toronto.
479
00:32:02,545 --> 00:32:05,964
Cosimo was a businessman.
I call him big boss.
480
00:32:06,089 --> 00:32:09,259
Cosimo is the main structure
of the family.
481
00:32:09,384 --> 00:32:12,430
He's the one that controls the
rules that power the respect,
482
00:32:12,555 --> 00:32:15,849
and he's the one that runs
the show.
483
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:19,353
It's got lines.
484
00:32:19,354 --> 00:32:20,605
You go to military, you have
the Colonel General.
485
00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:22,481
We have the same thing
only our way.
486
00:32:25,233 --> 00:32:27,318
It's like a government basically
487
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:29,571
with everybody has a role in
their family to rule, right?
488
00:32:31,574 --> 00:32:34,450
The families are more
of a corporation.
489
00:32:34,451 --> 00:32:41,166
Banking, extortion, protection,
money laundering, drugs.
490
00:32:41,291 --> 00:32:44,503
Anything that you are making
illegally or sometimes legally
491
00:32:44,628 --> 00:32:47,382
have to pay a percentage
for the protection of the person
492
00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:49,925
that controls that zone
or the family.
493
00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:54,637
And the structure is-- that
whoever's making money,
494
00:32:54,638 --> 00:32:56,265
you got to pay up.
495
00:33:03,271 --> 00:33:07,734
Ndrangheta is controlled by
different cities, countries.
496
00:33:07,859 --> 00:33:09,611
Worldwide you’re talking
about 80 billion...
497
00:33:09,612 --> 00:33:12,279
$73, $70, $80 billion a year.
498
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,156
It's so much money.
You have your fingers.
499
00:33:14,157 --> 00:33:15,616
It's like octopus.
500
00:33:15,617 --> 00:33:18,286
It has everywhere,
every country.
501
00:33:18,287 --> 00:33:20,623
Some countries, you can't
even imagine the control.
502
00:33:21,874 --> 00:33:23,959
So the deal is to try to make
as much money as possible
503
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,461
together without a conflict.
504
00:33:26,712 --> 00:33:28,588
If you have just a conflict
of interest,
505
00:33:28,714 --> 00:33:30,173
they have to talk it out.
506
00:33:30,298 --> 00:33:31,967
But sometimes it depends
on the issues
507
00:33:31,968 --> 00:33:33,301
and if it could be resolved.
508
00:33:34,595 --> 00:33:36,304
When the major issues
come in front,
509
00:33:36,305 --> 00:33:38,515
they have to be met
and discussed and figured
510
00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:40,225
just like a corporation.
511
00:33:40,226 --> 00:33:41,894
So it's very structured,
very professional.
512
00:33:43,770 --> 00:33:46,065
The table is structured
with five or six people.
513
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:47,691
They're not new.
514
00:33:47,692 --> 00:33:50,361
They're all people
in the older ages--
515
00:33:50,486 --> 00:33:55,489
and basically they control the
structure of any major issues.
516
00:33:55,490 --> 00:34:00,288
Jimmy De Maria, Cosimo, Neil,
517
00:34:00,413 --> 00:34:04,375
there's his brother,
and there's Chichi.
518
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,251
It's a group, which...
it's a sit down.
519
00:34:07,252 --> 00:34:09,422
It's not just like a one guy
calls the shots and that's it.
520
00:34:09,547 --> 00:34:11,672
No, the family's there
521
00:34:11,673 --> 00:34:13,841
and you try to make sure
everything's happy.
522
00:34:13,842 --> 00:34:16,554
Basically, everybody tries
to avoid wars and problems,
523
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,555
but the bigger you grow, the
more power you're going to get,
524
00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:20,099
the more it's going to happen.
525
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:32,526
I've been aware of Joey Limo
since the '90's
526
00:34:32,527 --> 00:34:36,282
He owned and operated a
limousine business on steals.
527
00:34:36,907 --> 00:34:41,119
He was always a guy that knew
a lot of bad guys.
528
00:34:41,244 --> 00:34:44,289
Sometimes bad things happened
around him.
529
00:34:44,414 --> 00:34:47,418
He was well-known in
the intelligence world
530
00:34:47,543 --> 00:34:51,297
and in that criminal underworld.
531
00:34:51,422 --> 00:34:54,091
One of the things
with Joey was
532
00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:55,801
I think he had a lot
of connections.
533
00:34:55,802 --> 00:34:59,137
He knew a lot of people,
and in that world,
534
00:34:59,262 --> 00:35:02,724
knowing people means you also
have a lot of dirt on people.
535
00:35:13,152 --> 00:35:16,489
In Canada, we have very
strict disclosure laws.
536
00:35:16,614 --> 00:35:19,616
So every time you're arrested,
you can sit in your jail cell
537
00:35:19,617 --> 00:35:22,785
for five years and read
your entire file
538
00:35:22,786 --> 00:35:26,455
and know exactly how all of
the police techniques,
539
00:35:26,456 --> 00:35:30,210
where we put the probes
in your car,
540
00:35:30,335 --> 00:35:32,505
how we do that, how we do
surveillance,
541
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:34,590
where we sit when we
conduct surveillance,
542
00:35:36,092 --> 00:35:37,259
We knew what the cops
were doing, right?
543
00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:38,760
We knew that they
were surveillance.
544
00:35:39,846 --> 00:35:41,178
So I knew my office
was tapped.
545
00:35:41,179 --> 00:35:43,098
I knew my office
was watched in front.
546
00:35:43,099 --> 00:35:44,975
Neil's office was watched.
547
00:35:44,976 --> 00:35:46,475
They knew Cosimo, they were
following Cosimo.
548
00:35:46,476 --> 00:35:48,228
So everybody knew
what was going on,
549
00:35:48,353 --> 00:35:50,273
but just had to be careful.
550
00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:54,651
So I bought some things
to surveillance.
551
00:35:54,652 --> 00:35:56,486
I had the little things
that we put on the table,
552
00:35:56,487 --> 00:35:58,529
which would block the zoning.
553
00:35:58,530 --> 00:36:00,407
So even if you came and talk
to me with the phone,
554
00:36:00,532 --> 00:36:02,491
I would block your phone
so you couldn't call out.
555
00:36:02,492 --> 00:36:03,786
You couldn't-- but you couldn't
receive nothing, right?
556
00:36:05,621 --> 00:36:07,288
I remember when Cosimo
always talked,
557
00:36:07,289 --> 00:36:08,416
he always put his hand
in front of his mouth.
558
00:36:08,541 --> 00:36:11,292
So, I guess, he was very
shy or protective,
559
00:36:11,293 --> 00:36:13,669
but he was-- never like
to talk openly.
560
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:15,379
He's very secretive.
561
00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:16,631
Doesn't like to talk
to a lot of people.
562
00:36:16,632 --> 00:36:18,549
That's what he had--
563
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:19,801
People really close him
to get the information out
564
00:36:19,802 --> 00:36:22,136
what he needed to get out
565
00:36:22,137 --> 00:36:24,724
without putting himself in risk
for things that he shouldn't do.
566
00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:26,850
Because a lot of people
are like a lot of rats
567
00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:28,603
will try to get him because
he's a head of a family.
568
00:36:29,686 --> 00:36:31,855
And he's smart enough
569
00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:33,398
that he's lived till now and
he is still out there, right?
570
00:36:39,405 --> 00:36:41,864
I really got close to him,
you know,
571
00:36:41,865 --> 00:36:43,826
and we spent a lot
of time together.
572
00:36:45,661 --> 00:36:48,163
Whenever they asked me
to do something,
573
00:36:48,164 --> 00:36:49,915
I would do it in a flash.
574
00:36:49,916 --> 00:36:52,251
I didn't have to be--
or ask why or how.
575
00:36:53,126 --> 00:36:54,253
No, I would do it.
576
00:36:55,338 --> 00:36:56,671
And I keep so close.
577
00:36:56,672 --> 00:36:57,757
I could tell you, I'd kill
for him.
578
00:36:59,007 --> 00:37:00,674
I would do it in a blind sight.
579
00:37:00,675 --> 00:37:02,135
I wouldn't hesitate.
580
00:37:04,931 --> 00:37:07,182
So here's a
question. How many people
have you killed?
581
00:37:08,768 --> 00:37:11,728
I... I... I'm not a... I haven't
killed anybody.
582
00:37:11,853 --> 00:37:14,440
I just presume my life
you know I've...
583
00:37:14,565 --> 00:37:17,524
I haven't killed anybody.
I wouldn't be saying that.
584
00:37:17,525 --> 00:37:20,861
People have gone to see
the creator,
585
00:37:20,862 --> 00:37:22,197
but that's about it.
586
00:37:27,369 --> 00:37:30,331
If you were a uniform
officer working,
587
00:37:30,456 --> 00:37:35,209
you knew where his limo,
luxury car rental place was.
588
00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:37,504
Again, very out there
and boisterous,
589
00:37:37,505 --> 00:37:40,298
and that's why no doubt brought
a lot of attention on himself,
590
00:37:40,423 --> 00:37:43,469
not just from police,
but also criminal groups.
591
00:37:45,054 --> 00:37:47,430
He wasn't afraid
to make enemies.
592
00:37:47,431 --> 00:37:51,433
He wasn't afraid to push back.
So he made a lot of enemies,
593
00:37:51,434 --> 00:37:53,396
but he also made people
a lot of money.
594
00:37:56,815 --> 00:37:59,025
I got into an issue
with another family.
595
00:37:59,150 --> 00:38:01,487
They tried to disrespect me,
596
00:38:01,612 --> 00:38:04,489
and I asked them nicely
to pay me the money
597
00:38:04,614 --> 00:38:06,408
that they-- was
outstanding to me
598
00:38:06,409 --> 00:38:07,952
for doing what I had to do.
599
00:38:08,077 --> 00:38:10,203
And they knew they owed me
the money,
600
00:38:10,204 --> 00:38:13,373
but they thought they could
disrespect me, right?
601
00:38:13,498 --> 00:38:14,791
But I did my job.
602
00:38:14,916 --> 00:38:15,917
You owe me money.
Outstanding.
603
00:38:15,918 --> 00:38:17,253
You have to pay me.
604
00:38:21,007 --> 00:38:23,800
So they hired a hit guy
from Italy
605
00:38:23,925 --> 00:38:27,847
came to Canada with no suitcase,
nothing, just a passport.
606
00:38:29,181 --> 00:38:31,516
But the cops stopped him at the
airport when he came to Toronto
607
00:38:31,641 --> 00:38:33,561
and they deported him back
to Belgium.
608
00:38:33,686 --> 00:38:35,312
And then the cops
from the Europe, Interpol,
609
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:36,856
grabbed him and put
him to jail for life.
610
00:38:40,192 --> 00:38:45,530
And the second hit was one,
two, three, four, five...
611
00:38:45,655 --> 00:38:48,034
There was five guys that were
trying to whack me.
612
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:50,118
It was planned perfect.
613
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:51,536
They would hit me
from each side, whack me.
614
00:38:51,661 --> 00:38:53,620
They had guns already,
615
00:38:53,621 --> 00:38:54,705
and apparently the next door
neighbour was worried
616
00:38:54,706 --> 00:38:56,832
because he sees these
two cars there,
617
00:38:56,833 --> 00:38:58,625
and when he went drop off
the kid to the bus station.
618
00:38:58,626 --> 00:39:00,919
He calls the cops.
619
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,548
So all of a sudden, these cops
come and they save my life.
620
00:39:05,885 --> 00:39:08,470
It's believed that someone
was sent to Joe Ferraro's home.
621
00:39:08,471 --> 00:39:11,514
It was called in as a potential
home invasion,
622
00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:13,391
but it's believed that it wasn't
623
00:39:13,516 --> 00:39:15,518
a typical home invasion
for money,
624
00:39:15,643 --> 00:39:17,812
probably a gun for hire
to take him out
625
00:39:17,813 --> 00:39:21,816
as part of a vendetta
or money owed,
626
00:39:21,817 --> 00:39:23,652
or he's created
that wrong enemy.
627
00:39:25,153 --> 00:39:27,029
My next door neighbour,
628
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:28,031
I bought him a case of
champagne, Dom Perignon
629
00:39:28,032 --> 00:39:28,907
I'll never forget.
I bought him a case.
630
00:39:29,032 --> 00:39:30,575
I said, here's this case.
631
00:39:30,576 --> 00:39:32,036
Thank you very much
for saving my life.
632
00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:33,703
It was so funny.
633
00:39:33,704 --> 00:39:35,038
That was the best part
of my life.
634
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:36,122
People would been trying
to whack me for years.
635
00:39:36,123 --> 00:39:39,500
So I mean, I'm alive
because God thinks
636
00:39:39,501 --> 00:39:40,795
it's not time to go
visit him yet.
637
00:39:42,713 --> 00:39:44,297
God thinks I'm still
good person, you know.
638
00:39:50,471 --> 00:39:53,515
In '99, I was making so much
money and so many good things,
639
00:39:53,516 --> 00:39:55,850
and one of our guys said to me,
640
00:39:55,851 --> 00:39:59,520
there's a guy that's interested
in buying some ecstasy.
641
00:39:59,521 --> 00:40:01,606
He wants to export.
642
00:40:01,731 --> 00:40:05,610
So I meet the guy, the guy says,
I want 30,000 pills.
643
00:40:05,735 --> 00:40:07,277
I said, okay, no problem.
644
00:40:07,278 --> 00:40:09,447
He's an older man,
who's an undercover cop.
645
00:40:11,617 --> 00:40:13,868
It was my fault 'cause
I didn't do diligence.
646
00:40:13,869 --> 00:40:15,870
I let my guard down,
647
00:40:15,871 --> 00:40:17,163
and when you let guard down
once, you're screwed.
648
00:40:17,164 --> 00:40:19,041
So I let my guard down
and I got screwed.
649
00:40:20,458 --> 00:40:23,085
I was charged with trafficking
ecstasy,
650
00:40:23,086 --> 00:40:25,463
conspiracy to traffic cocaine.
651
00:40:27,007 --> 00:40:28,049
And then they come back
and they say,
652
00:40:28,050 --> 00:40:30,051
hey, do you want
to not go to jail?
653
00:40:30,052 --> 00:40:31,803
And I said, what do you mean
not go to jail?
654
00:40:31,804 --> 00:40:33,430
Well, you can help us out
with some information
655
00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:35,682
and we don't have to go--
to put you in jail.
656
00:40:35,807 --> 00:40:38,892
I said, thanks for the offer,
but I ain't ratting anybody out.
657
00:40:38,893 --> 00:40:41,437
I'm not going to put somebody
in my time and go to jail
658
00:40:41,438 --> 00:40:43,858
and suffer because I'm trying
to save my ass.
659
00:40:45,943 --> 00:40:47,485
I ain't a rat.
I'm going to jail.
660
00:40:48,737 --> 00:40:49,905
And it was my crew
that turned on me.
661
00:40:54,076 --> 00:40:55,951
I'm in jail and my right-hand
man comes
662
00:40:55,952 --> 00:41:00,915
and tells me that he's taking
over my business.
663
00:41:00,916 --> 00:41:03,001
He's taking over my house.
664
00:41:03,126 --> 00:41:05,045
He's taking over
my limousine company.
665
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:08,382
He's taking over my wife,
666
00:41:10,009 --> 00:41:12,426
And he's taking every business
I have in the streets.
667
00:41:12,427 --> 00:41:14,761
And then if I came back
to Toronto,
668
00:41:14,762 --> 00:41:16,763
after I came out of jail that
I'll be killed in two minutes
669
00:41:16,764 --> 00:41:18,976
and you have no control
'cause nobody was behind you.
670
00:41:19,101 --> 00:41:22,521
I was kind of shocked.
So fucking-- I went nuts.
671
00:41:22,646 --> 00:41:24,022
I'm fucking, I'm trying
to punch the window.
672
00:41:24,023 --> 00:41:25,647
I'm trying to fucking
jump the guy.
673
00:41:25,648 --> 00:41:27,902
I wasn't going to kill him.
I was going nuts.
674
00:41:28,027 --> 00:41:29,903
what they just said to me, right?
675
00:41:30,028 --> 00:41:31,447
That whole my life was gone.
676
00:41:33,574 --> 00:41:35,033
So they put me in a private room
677
00:41:35,034 --> 00:41:36,451
where there's nothing
on the floor.
678
00:41:36,452 --> 00:41:37,576
There's nothing... you can't
do nothing.
679
00:41:37,577 --> 00:41:38,828
It's like a room where people
are nuts
680
00:41:38,829 --> 00:41:39,914
and they let you cool off, right?
681
00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:43,501
So they left me there for a day
or two days, I think,
682
00:41:43,626 --> 00:41:44,876
and then they said, okay,
you okay?
683
00:41:45,001 --> 00:41:46,377
I said, yeah, I'm a fine.
684
00:41:46,378 --> 00:41:47,837
And then when my seven months
are up,
685
00:41:47,838 --> 00:41:49,422
they put me in front
of the Board.
686
00:41:50,548 --> 00:41:52,759
And the Board says to me,
687
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,012
Mr. Ferraro, we heard that your
business has been taken away
688
00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:56,722
by the bikers.
689
00:41:56,847 --> 00:41:58,515
Don't you think your life's
in danger?
690
00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:00,390
They're going to get you
and kill you
691
00:42:00,391 --> 00:42:02,142
because they want to take
over their property.
692
00:42:02,143 --> 00:42:03,645
I said, they took my business
and took everything.
693
00:42:03,646 --> 00:42:05,187
That doesn't matter anymore.
I've lost everything.
694
00:42:05,188 --> 00:42:06,898
I just want to come out
and I just want to do my life.
695
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:09,859
I'm going to just walk away.
696
00:42:09,860 --> 00:42:11,194
I'm going to be a little boy,
going to let these fuckers
697
00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:12,820
take my money, my business,
my house, my whole thing.
698
00:42:14,532 --> 00:42:15,740
They said, okay.
He said, you know what,
699
00:42:15,865 --> 00:42:17,409
tomorrow you're allowed
to leave.
700
00:42:18,619 --> 00:42:20,119
I said, God, thank God.
701
00:42:25,918 --> 00:42:29,630
So I get to Toronto,
I bought some coffee.
702
00:42:29,755 --> 00:42:31,965
I walked into the fucking office
and they're all fucking there.
703
00:42:32,090 --> 00:42:33,467
Everybody's there.
704
00:42:34,467 --> 00:42:35,676
Said, hey guys, how are you?
705
00:42:35,677 --> 00:42:37,511
I said, fuck it.
I said, you know what?
706
00:42:37,512 --> 00:42:38,681
I just want to say hi
and tell you I'm out.
707
00:42:39,806 --> 00:42:41,140
By the end of this week,
708
00:42:41,141 --> 00:42:41,848
I'll have this place belong
to me.
709
00:42:41,849 --> 00:42:43,850
Here's your coffees.
710
00:42:43,851 --> 00:42:44,811
I want you to make sure
that you know that I'm here
711
00:42:44,936 --> 00:42:46,895
and I'm coming back
to my business.
712
00:42:46,896 --> 00:42:48,148
Everybody in the fucking office,
they shit their pants.
713
00:42:48,273 --> 00:42:49,899
They're like, what the fuck?
714
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:51,817
The guy just walked in
and told everybody,
715
00:42:51,818 --> 00:42:54,028
I'm taking my place in the next
few days and be ready.
716
00:42:56,197 --> 00:42:59,701
They said, cap, we want to wait
until you come out.
717
00:42:59,702 --> 00:43:01,619
We told them we were with them,
but we're not with them.
718
00:43:01,744 --> 00:43:03,580
We're just waiting for you
to come out.
719
00:43:03,581 --> 00:43:04,580
Because if wasn't with them,
they couldn't work.
720
00:43:04,581 --> 00:43:06,957
They couldn't sell their drugs,
721
00:43:06,958 --> 00:43:07,626
they couldn't get piece of the
action and they couldn't move.
722
00:43:07,751 --> 00:43:09,669
But we're ready for you.
723
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:11,044
As soon as you say the word,
we'll have a meeting.
724
00:43:11,045 --> 00:43:13,548
We'll grab it and we'll take
the place over.
725
00:43:14,215 --> 00:43:16,092
Perfect. So I knew my guys
were behind me.
726
00:43:16,217 --> 00:43:18,303
I was like, wow.
727
00:43:18,304 --> 00:43:21,763
Out of the 40, 50 guys, I had
maybe 35, 40 guys with me.
728
00:43:21,764 --> 00:43:23,600
I'd say, call my guys.
729
00:43:23,601 --> 00:43:24,601
Tell them to start coming up
to this restaurant
730
00:43:24,726 --> 00:43:26,228
'cause we're having a meeting.
731
00:43:29,981 --> 00:43:32,108
So when we walk
into the restaurant,
732
00:43:32,233 --> 00:43:35,944
I see the Hell’s Angels,
Terry, Lou and Ross,
733
00:43:35,945 --> 00:43:37,822
my ex right-hand man.
734
00:43:37,947 --> 00:43:39,866
So I told Mike, I said, Mike,
tell everybody
735
00:43:39,867 --> 00:43:41,491
from the restaurant to leave.
I'll pay their bill.
736
00:43:41,492 --> 00:43:43,704
Just wait at the door and make
sure when the guys come in,
737
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:44,954
you let 'em in.
738
00:43:45,581 --> 00:43:47,625
So one at a time, we're sitting
down on their table,
739
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:49,792
they're talking, saying,
you fucking come to Toronto.
740
00:43:49,793 --> 00:43:52,003
Now you think you're going
to take over the businesses,
741
00:43:52,128 --> 00:43:54,129
we're not letting you
take any.
742
00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:55,840
I'm saying, oh, yeah, okay.
I say, okay, I understand.
743
00:43:55,965 --> 00:43:58,217
You got more peace of the ice.
I'm saying, okay, okay.
744
00:43:59,844 --> 00:44:00,679
So as everybody leaves
the restaurant,
745
00:44:00,804 --> 00:44:02,181
so the only table is us.
746
00:44:03,681 --> 00:44:06,893
All of a sudden Mike opens
the door and cousin,
747
00:44:07,018 --> 00:44:09,812
one of my guys comes in,
he's a big black dude.
748
00:44:09,813 --> 00:44:13,025
He's real-- and he comes
with gloves
749
00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:15,068
and he comes over to the right
hand side and says,
750
00:44:15,193 --> 00:44:16,737
Hey, captain, hey boss.
How about you?
751
00:44:16,862 --> 00:44:18,446
What's a problem?
752
00:44:18,447 --> 00:44:19,822
And he brought a gun for me
and I said,
753
00:44:19,947 --> 00:44:21,281
wait, we're going to have
a meeting,
754
00:44:21,282 --> 00:44:23,283
and I wanted him to be here.
755
00:44:23,284 --> 00:44:24,451
He goes, why'd you do that?
I said, I call my guys.
756
00:44:24,452 --> 00:44:25,746
I want to hear what you're
offering, right?
757
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:28,288
So they're saying, one of
my main guys, Tuffy,
758
00:44:28,289 --> 00:44:30,375
which is the head of my crew,
comes in.
759
00:44:30,376 --> 00:44:33,211
He's a big 280 pound guy,
really crazy, really fucked up,
760
00:44:33,336 --> 00:44:34,380
really nuts.
761
00:44:34,505 --> 00:44:36,004
People are scared of him.
762
00:44:36,005 --> 00:44:37,298
He comes and sits
on my left side.
763
00:44:38,050 --> 00:44:41,803
All of a sudden, Mike closes
the door, locks the door.
764
00:44:41,804 --> 00:44:43,347
I said, now you're going
to tell me what the fuck
765
00:44:43,472 --> 00:44:44,971
you want to say.
766
00:44:44,972 --> 00:44:47,975
So the guys,
they're like, uh-oh.
767
00:44:47,976 --> 00:44:50,185
And I said, I'm going to tell
you something.
768
00:44:50,186 --> 00:44:51,145
See, these fucking guys you
thought they were with you.
769
00:44:51,146 --> 00:44:53,480
Can't you see they're with me.
770
00:44:53,481 --> 00:44:54,942
They played you, motherfucker.
They're proving it right now.
771
00:44:55,067 --> 00:44:57,317
Ross is a 250 pound
right-hand man.
772
00:44:57,318 --> 00:44:59,278
He was a big bus.
Puffy's so big.
773
00:44:59,405 --> 00:45:01,072
He grabs the chair and lifts him
and throws him
774
00:45:01,197 --> 00:45:02,574
on the fucking floor.
775
00:45:03,409 --> 00:45:04,701
I said, get up you fucking
piece of shit
776
00:45:04,702 --> 00:45:06,243
Sit down right now.
777
00:45:06,244 --> 00:45:07,703
He get up and sit down.
He's like this.
778
00:45:07,704 --> 00:45:08,830
Don't fucking move,
don't say a fucking word.
779
00:45:08,831 --> 00:45:10,416
I'll get him to fucking
kill you right now.
780
00:45:10,541 --> 00:45:12,834
And the guy starts crying.
781
00:45:12,835 --> 00:45:15,210
This piece of shit is supposed
to be a boss of a family.
782
00:45:15,211 --> 00:45:16,921
This fucking bitch's crying.
783
00:45:16,922 --> 00:45:18,756
I said, is this what
you want as a boss?
784
00:45:18,757 --> 00:45:20,883
And you think you're going
to take over my fucking business
785
00:45:20,884 --> 00:45:23,009
and you're going to take over
my property and my houses?
786
00:45:23,010 --> 00:45:24,553
I'm going to let you walk?
787
00:45:24,554 --> 00:45:27,390
All of a sudden,
cousin makes it obvious.
788
00:45:27,391 --> 00:45:30,393
Cousin goes like this,
and he passes me the gun
789
00:45:30,518 --> 00:45:33,687
in front of their eyes and I go,
790
00:45:33,688 --> 00:45:36,107
Terry, what the fuck
did you say to me that
791
00:45:36,108 --> 00:45:37,734
I can't come fucking to Toronto
and I can't fucking do nothing?
792
00:45:37,735 --> 00:45:39,276
I said, is that what you said
to me?
793
00:45:39,277 --> 00:45:41,486
He's like, whoa, whoa.
Wait a minute.
794
00:45:41,487 --> 00:45:43,738
I said, what happened, bro?---
Mind your fucking mouth, guys.
795
00:45:43,739 --> 00:45:45,950
going to swamp.
796
00:45:45,951 --> 00:45:46,576
Talk to me like now, tell me
you're not going to tell me
797
00:45:46,577 --> 00:45:48,578
what to fucking do.
798
00:45:48,579 --> 00:45:49,870
I remember Terry's face.
He's like this, holy fuck.
799
00:45:49,871 --> 00:45:51,872
He started backing up
and fucking Louis...
800
00:45:51,873 --> 00:45:53,875
I said, Lou, what are you going
to say?
801
00:45:53,876 --> 00:45:55,001
He puts his head down, the other
biker, Hells Angel,
802
00:45:55,126 --> 00:45:57,295
what the fuck are you going
to say now?
803
00:45:57,420 --> 00:45:59,797
I said, tomorrow,
9:00 in the morning,
804
00:45:59,922 --> 00:46:02,091
I'm coming to the office.
I want the keys.
805
00:46:02,092 --> 00:46:04,469
I want my locations back, or
else you're not leaving tonight.
806
00:46:04,594 --> 00:46:07,139
And if you do lie to me tonight,
we're going to get you.
807
00:46:07,264 --> 00:46:08,974
We're going to get you good.
We're going to fucking kill you.
808
00:46:09,099 --> 00:46:11,100
I’m not wasting my fucking time.
809
00:46:11,101 --> 00:46:13,727
But I was so angry that I want
to show, motherfucker,
810
00:46:13,728 --> 00:46:15,730
you're not taking nothing away
from me.
811
00:46:15,731 --> 00:46:16,981
I'm going to show you,
I'll die before I let you go,
812
00:46:17,106 --> 00:46:18,649
and I'll kill you, motherfuckers.
813
00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:20,484
I have nothing to lose.
I lost everything.
814
00:46:20,485 --> 00:46:21,445
You took my wife, you took my
car, my business, my respect,
815
00:46:21,570 --> 00:46:23,030
and he told me I can't come
to Toronto.
816
00:46:24,864 --> 00:46:26,824
Fuck. We come to the office
9:00 in the morning
817
00:46:26,949 --> 00:46:28,910
before the door opens,
we're at the door.
818
00:46:28,911 --> 00:46:32,455
Here's your keys--
I said, perfect.
819
00:46:32,456 --> 00:46:35,750
I want my house back and all
my guys are working for me now.
820
00:46:35,751 --> 00:46:38,294
And then everybody in the street
knew what I did.
821
00:46:38,295 --> 00:46:40,713
So that was it.
I got my business back.
822
00:46:40,838 --> 00:46:42,799
I had my power.
My guys were back with me.
823
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,509
So my job was to make money.
824
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:47,012
Now what I do, get back,
get the interest,
825
00:46:47,137 --> 00:46:49,722
see better connections,
get the flow back, right?
826
00:46:49,847 --> 00:46:53,142
Jail time and the things I did
to get my power back
827
00:46:53,143 --> 00:46:55,477
gave me much more respect
everywhere.
828
00:46:55,478 --> 00:46:57,480
It just opened up the doors.
829
00:46:57,481 --> 00:46:59,982
It just gave me-- to show me
830
00:46:59,983 --> 00:47:02,067
this guy's, not just
a fucking mouth.
831
00:47:02,068 --> 00:47:05,030
He actually did the time, he did
the crime, he came out,
832
00:47:05,155 --> 00:47:07,989
fought against his crews,
fought against the people.
833
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:10,951
So it gave me more respect
out there.
834
00:47:10,952 --> 00:47:13,996
And then Neil, he backed me up
100 percent.
835
00:47:14,121 --> 00:47:15,832
They were always saying,
what you need?
836
00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:17,000
And said, my guys need
this, my guys need that.
837
00:47:17,125 --> 00:47:18,959
So I started selling to them.
838
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,963
So my cashflow started
going back to normal.
839
00:47:27,385 --> 00:47:29,178
I was... in 2001.
840
00:47:29,179 --> 00:47:30,805
They put a new order at
that time that if you had
841
00:47:30,806 --> 00:47:33,307
a criminal record,
you'd be deported.
842
00:47:40,148 --> 00:47:42,357
So I never see that coming, but
I thought I could be too smart.
843
00:47:42,358 --> 00:47:44,609
I'll never get caught.
844
00:47:44,610 --> 00:47:46,112
If I get caught, you know have
good lawyers, I'll get out.
845
00:47:46,237 --> 00:47:47,988
I thought I was untouchable, right?
846
00:47:47,989 --> 00:47:50,367
But in reality, the government
has resources
847
00:47:50,492 --> 00:47:52,076
and sooner or later
they're going to get you.
848
00:47:52,077 --> 00:47:53,660
It doesn't matter how good
you are, right?
849
00:47:53,661 --> 00:47:56,414
And that's what happened.
I got caught.
850
00:47:56,539 --> 00:47:58,916
The worst mistake was
not getting my citizenship,
851
00:47:59,041 --> 00:48:00,251
my Canadian citizenship.
852
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:19,855
So in July, 2011, I got deported
to Ecuador.
853
00:48:22,106 --> 00:48:24,443
I was gone forever from Canada.
854
00:48:24,568 --> 00:48:26,402
That was a day where
my whole life changed.
855
00:48:26,527 --> 00:48:28,529
I was into a new world.
856
00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:32,408
A world where I was born before,
but I was never here.
857
00:48:32,409 --> 00:48:34,576
So it was a big change.
858
00:48:34,577 --> 00:48:36,578
And the lifestyle change was--
859
00:48:36,579 --> 00:48:39,205
You spend millions and partying
and enjoying,
860
00:48:39,206 --> 00:48:41,000
and now everything is gone.
861
00:48:41,001 --> 00:48:42,293
Your family's gone,
everything's changed.
862
00:48:48,550 --> 00:48:50,176
Joey Limo.
863
00:48:50,177 --> 00:48:52,929
Well, I know he got booted
out of Canada
864
00:48:53,054 --> 00:48:57,141
to his native country
in South America.
865
00:48:57,266 --> 00:48:58,976
We've known from Joey,
866
00:48:59,101 --> 00:49:02,438
he is very familiar
with the cocaine trade,
867
00:49:02,563 --> 00:49:09,153
and clearly being in a source
country doesn't fare well
868
00:49:09,278 --> 00:49:11,113
on the rest of the world.
869
00:49:11,114 --> 00:49:16,077
Giving Joe the opportunity
to apply his trade,
870
00:49:24,503 --> 00:49:27,713
I would put my money on Joey
that he is active
871
00:49:27,838 --> 00:49:29,382
in the drug world.
872
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:32,926
The only thing I would change
is not getting caught
873
00:49:32,927 --> 00:49:34,428
and going to jail.
874
00:49:34,429 --> 00:49:36,056
Everything else I would
never change
875
00:49:36,181 --> 00:49:37,932
because my life was a dream.
876
00:49:42,019 --> 00:49:44,480
I'm still in touch with
my family from Canada.
877
00:49:44,481 --> 00:49:47,149
I still have a context.
878
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:49,902
And my old boss, I have
respect for him,
879
00:49:50,027 --> 00:49:54,323
and we say hello to the time and
hopefully in the next future,
880
00:49:54,324 --> 00:49:56,283
the near future, I should say,
881
00:49:56,284 --> 00:49:59,328
we're going to see if we spend
time together,
882
00:49:59,329 --> 00:50:00,454
and he come and visit.
883
00:50:06,711 --> 00:50:08,294
I don't want to give up
my power, my money.
884
00:50:08,295 --> 00:50:10,590
I want die with power and money.
885
00:50:33,572 --> 00:50:36,992
It was the spring of 2014 when
we first approached Commisso.
886
00:50:38,909 --> 00:50:40,660
This agent, was the first time
we had somebody
887
00:50:40,661 --> 00:50:43,289
since the famous Cecil Kirby
as a police agent
888
00:50:43,414 --> 00:50:45,040
targeting the Commisso’s
889
00:50:45,041 --> 00:50:47,585
and the ‘Ndrangheta
since the '80's
890
00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:51,965
May 27th, 2015, 1338
for scenario 2-2-8.
891
00:51:02,266 --> 00:51:04,643
I'm almost certain people
are watching us right now.
892
00:51:04,769 --> 00:51:06,687
Wondering what we're up to.
893
00:51:06,688 --> 00:51:08,231
Anytime you're running an agent,
the amount of stress
894
00:51:08,356 --> 00:51:10,024
that's on an agent,
895
00:51:10,025 --> 00:51:12,610
the concern about that agent
being found out.
896
00:51:12,735 --> 00:51:16,571
The agent testified that Cos
wanted to murder him.
897
00:51:16,572 --> 00:51:19,659
There was a vote whether
he would live, or die.
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