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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:50,133 Films are always a window into an era or a time or a place 2 00:00:50,217 --> 00:00:51,677 or a man's mind. 3 00:00:55,806 --> 00:01:00,894 And no one was ever really a more dominant filmmaker 4 00:01:00,978 --> 00:01:02,729 {\an8}of his era. 5 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:10,279 He made some of the greatest movies 6 00:01:10,362 --> 00:01:11,655 in the history of cinema. 7 00:01:11,738 --> 00:01:13,949 And they're foundational... 8 00:01:14,032 --> 00:01:17,035 ...in the craft of cinema, the way they're made, 9 00:01:17,119 --> 00:01:18,203 how they're made. 10 00:01:19,037 --> 00:01:21,290 And they're fucking great entertainment. 11 00:01:21,707 --> 00:01:23,250 Want some fireworks? 12 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:29,256 {\an8}In behalf of the Academy, I present you with this award. 13 00:01:39,141 --> 00:01:44,104 Capra's personal story is a story about one man 14 00:01:44,813 --> 00:01:47,733 who overcame a lot of opposition 15 00:01:47,816 --> 00:01:50,611 to go from being an Italian peasant 16 00:01:50,694 --> 00:01:53,363 to a major American movie director. 17 00:01:54,448 --> 00:01:56,825 These films I were making were my way of saying, 18 00:01:56,909 --> 00:01:58,994 "Thanks, America", if you can understand 19 00:01:59,077 --> 00:02:00,412 that kind of a cliché. 20 00:02:00,913 --> 00:02:03,373 Gee whiz, so many things happening all at once. 21 00:02:06,877 --> 00:02:08,753 {\an8}The kid from Sicily 22 00:02:08,836 --> 00:02:13,884 {\an8}had developed a way of showing America 23 00:02:13,967 --> 00:02:17,012 that all Americans loved. 24 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:25,270 {\an8}His career has an extraordinary decline. 25 00:02:25,354 --> 00:02:28,524 It's not that you don't have darkness. 26 00:02:29,191 --> 00:02:34,279 Real darkness comes forward in these movies, 27 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:37,324 but when we look into Frank's films 28 00:02:37,407 --> 00:02:42,746 he says we can endure, we can survive, we can suffer 29 00:02:42,829 --> 00:02:45,290 and triumph and live through it. 30 00:02:45,374 --> 00:02:47,167 It's not a perfect world, 31 00:02:47,251 --> 00:02:49,753 but there's a place for you in it. 32 00:02:50,587 --> 00:02:53,173 That really makes him America's filmmaker. 33 00:02:53,882 --> 00:02:57,386 And that's why people watch It's a Wonderful Life 34 00:02:57,469 --> 00:02:58,929 every year at Christmas. 35 00:02:59,012 --> 00:03:01,431 It's not because they're sentimental. 36 00:03:01,515 --> 00:03:04,893 It's because it is a life-saving movie. 37 00:03:09,189 --> 00:03:12,568 If you find something real and true in the moment 38 00:03:12,651 --> 00:03:14,111 in which you're living, 39 00:03:14,194 --> 00:03:16,697 and you do it well and entertainingly, 40 00:03:16,780 --> 00:03:20,284 it will always remain contemporary and universal. 41 00:03:20,868 --> 00:03:24,079 I guess this is just another lost cause, Mr Paine. 42 00:03:24,621 --> 00:03:27,499 These stories are always applicable to our lives. 43 00:03:27,583 --> 00:03:31,128 But they're even more so when we forget how to hope. 44 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:35,674 The world is going through terrible, terrible turmoil. 45 00:03:35,757 --> 00:03:38,635 We need to be reminded that it can still work. 46 00:03:57,529 --> 00:04:00,240 When you tell us about being the son of immigrant parents 47 00:04:00,324 --> 00:04:03,869 and we know about your birth in Palermo, Italy, 48 00:04:03,952 --> 00:04:07,164 your Sicilian background, your arrival in America. 49 00:04:07,247 --> 00:04:11,126 What propelled you, what drive was in you? 50 00:04:11,210 --> 00:04:14,505 It's difficult to look back and wonder 51 00:04:14,588 --> 00:04:17,341 and you can only just conjecture, 52 00:04:17,423 --> 00:04:19,551 but I did want an education. 53 00:04:20,177 --> 00:04:22,763 I was ashamed of my parents 54 00:04:22,846 --> 00:04:24,598 because they couldn't read or write. 55 00:04:24,681 --> 00:04:26,308 I wanted to get out of that ghetto. 56 00:04:42,908 --> 00:04:45,244 Speaking of the time when you were 10 years old, 57 00:04:45,327 --> 00:04:47,120 you said, "I hated being poor, 58 00:04:47,704 --> 00:04:50,832 "hated the ghetto and hated America". 59 00:04:50,916 --> 00:04:53,293 -You were a Sicilian immigrant. -Yes. 60 00:04:53,377 --> 00:04:55,546 I came here when I was six years old 61 00:04:55,629 --> 00:04:58,757 just old enough to see and not understand. 62 00:05:02,344 --> 00:05:05,597 {\an8}He told me the boat journey was so traumatic and powerful... 63 00:05:05,681 --> 00:05:08,642 {\an8}...it wiped all the memories of Sicily out of his mind. 64 00:05:08,725 --> 00:05:10,602 He didn't understand, he told me as a kid, 65 00:05:10,686 --> 00:05:12,729 why his parents would tear him away 66 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:15,566 from their comfortable surroundings in Sicily. 67 00:05:17,025 --> 00:05:21,280 Coming over in steerage, there's no air, 68 00:05:21,363 --> 00:05:24,992 there's crowded bodies, there's people being seasick, 69 00:05:25,075 --> 00:05:29,079 there's a minimum of food. It's a long trip. 70 00:05:29,454 --> 00:05:33,500 I would think, an overwhelming and frightening experience 71 00:05:33,584 --> 00:05:35,085 for a child. 72 00:05:42,718 --> 00:05:46,263 When he sat down to write the story of his life... 73 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:49,892 {\an8}...all the things he had done, the years he had lived, 74 00:05:49,975 --> 00:05:53,270 {\an8}the first words he put to paper were, 75 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:55,314 {\an8}"I hated being poor". 76 00:06:02,905 --> 00:06:04,948 I saw the rich people in America 77 00:06:05,032 --> 00:06:07,284 and I saw the poor people that we were. 78 00:06:07,367 --> 00:06:09,912 I saw my father and mother suffering 79 00:06:09,995 --> 00:06:12,039 and working and I saw everybody else. 80 00:06:12,122 --> 00:06:15,542 And I thought they were much happier where they came from. 81 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,714 This was my feeling at the time. I hated this country. 82 00:06:20,797 --> 00:06:23,175 I hated how my family was being treated. 83 00:06:24,384 --> 00:06:26,220 It was a hard time. 84 00:06:26,303 --> 00:06:30,974 I don't think his memories of that time ever left him. 85 00:06:31,433 --> 00:06:34,269 He found America to be a dog-eat-dog, tough place. 86 00:06:34,353 --> 00:06:36,855 He lived in a lower-middle-class neighbourhood, 87 00:06:36,939 --> 00:06:38,941 but education was his way out. 88 00:06:39,024 --> 00:06:41,485 Most kids didn't go to high school in those days. 89 00:06:41,568 --> 00:06:43,445 The kids from his social class. 90 00:06:43,529 --> 00:06:45,989 So he went to Manual Arts High School, 91 00:06:46,073 --> 00:06:48,200 he cleaned the blackboards, you know, 92 00:06:48,283 --> 00:06:49,993 and he was a janitor at the school, 93 00:06:50,077 --> 00:06:51,912 and kids looked down on him for that. 94 00:06:51,995 --> 00:06:53,872 And I interviewed Esther Gleason Schlinger, 95 00:06:53,956 --> 00:06:55,874 who was the class historian, 96 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:59,419 and she said she dated Frank Capra in high school, 97 00:06:59,503 --> 00:07:02,589 but her parents broke it up because he was an immigrant. 98 00:07:02,673 --> 00:07:06,301 And she said she liked him, but she said he was a nice boy. 99 00:07:06,385 --> 00:07:08,303 He was just a terrible wop. 100 00:07:08,804 --> 00:07:11,306 I really felt anger on his behalf. 101 00:07:11,765 --> 00:07:13,725 "Terrible whop", that's how they saw him. 102 00:07:13,809 --> 00:07:16,687 That was his first shock of trying to assimilate 103 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:19,147 into the mainstream in American life. 104 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:25,070 Frank Capra did not merely perceive himself as an outsider. 105 00:07:25,153 --> 00:07:26,655 In many ways, he was. 106 00:07:26,738 --> 00:07:28,657 Even at the height of his fame... 107 00:07:28,740 --> 00:07:32,411 {\an8}...after all of the accolades and awards 108 00:07:32,494 --> 00:07:34,830 {\an8}that he had earned, Collier's magazine 109 00:07:34,913 --> 00:07:39,168 {\an8}could run a profile of him and casually describe him 110 00:07:39,251 --> 00:07:40,711 with ethnic slurs. 111 00:07:41,545 --> 00:07:44,631 I said, "When did you stop being ashamed of your parents?" 112 00:07:44,715 --> 00:07:46,675 He said, "I haven't yet". 113 00:07:47,176 --> 00:07:50,095 Capra was from an era where you were supposed to 114 00:07:50,179 --> 00:07:52,639 melt down your differences and become an American, 115 00:07:52,723 --> 00:07:55,017 which meant obliterating your past. 116 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:57,644 And one of the manifestations of that 117 00:07:57,728 --> 00:08:00,397 was he kind of looked down on his own family. 118 00:08:02,024 --> 00:08:05,277 The young Capra made it happen. 119 00:08:05,611 --> 00:08:08,447 He certainly hated being on the outside, 120 00:08:08,530 --> 00:08:10,866 being on the bottom, which he was, 121 00:08:10,949 --> 00:08:14,119 {\an8}and that rage, for better and for worse... 122 00:08:14,203 --> 00:08:17,748 {\an8}...is what's going to propel him the rest of his life. 123 00:08:35,432 --> 00:08:37,934 After Frank left college, 124 00:08:38,018 --> 00:08:40,270 like a lot of people who go to college, 125 00:08:40,354 --> 00:08:43,649 he didn't know exactly what he was going to do next 126 00:08:43,732 --> 00:08:47,694 and he spent a lot of time doing odd jobs, travelling around, 127 00:08:47,778 --> 00:08:50,572 trying different things, doing different things. 128 00:08:50,656 --> 00:08:53,534 And this gave him experience of America. 129 00:08:54,576 --> 00:08:57,454 This is where my love for Americans started. 130 00:08:57,538 --> 00:09:00,207 When I was about 22, 23, 24, 131 00:09:00,290 --> 00:09:03,669 when I didn't have a job, I couldn't find job of any kind 132 00:09:04,086 --> 00:09:08,423 and I did a lot of running around in Utah and Oregon, 133 00:09:08,507 --> 00:09:09,633 and California. 134 00:09:09,716 --> 00:09:14,555 And met the farmers, the barbers, the poker players, 135 00:09:15,597 --> 00:09:17,975 and just fell in love with Americans 136 00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:20,394 because of their wonderful independence. 137 00:09:22,980 --> 00:09:26,441 He bungles his way toward the film industry 138 00:09:26,525 --> 00:09:28,610 and, you know, everybody bungled their way. 139 00:09:28,694 --> 00:09:31,530 You can't plan to be in an industry 140 00:09:31,613 --> 00:09:32,906 that doesn't exist. 141 00:09:37,703 --> 00:09:41,623 There's almost a gold rush atmosphere to early Hollywood. 142 00:09:42,916 --> 00:09:47,337 It was still quite possible to start at the bottom 143 00:09:47,421 --> 00:09:49,298 and work your way up. 144 00:09:50,507 --> 00:09:54,553 And I can see why Frank Capra would come to a place like that 145 00:09:54,636 --> 00:09:56,430 and say, "This is for me", 146 00:09:56,513 --> 00:09:58,515 because that's what he was looking for. 147 00:09:58,599 --> 00:10:02,978 A place where he could break in and remake himself. 148 00:10:06,356 --> 00:10:09,943 I didn't know a piece of film from a piece of toilet paper. 149 00:10:10,027 --> 00:10:11,069 Really. 150 00:10:11,153 --> 00:10:14,281 I was fascinated by this thing called film. 151 00:10:15,032 --> 00:10:17,242 And so I tried all these things. 152 00:10:17,326 --> 00:10:21,330 And I... All by myself, I'd stay in that cutting room. 153 00:10:21,705 --> 00:10:25,834 There were newsreel men that would come in with their stuff, 154 00:10:25,918 --> 00:10:27,669 and I'd develop it for 'em. 155 00:10:27,753 --> 00:10:30,380 People from the university would come over 156 00:10:30,464 --> 00:10:32,716 and there were films about their dogs, 157 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:34,635 their children, everything else 158 00:10:34,718 --> 00:10:36,678 that they wanted to put together. 159 00:10:36,762 --> 00:10:38,931 This is where I learnt about film. 160 00:10:54,404 --> 00:10:56,573 A lot of directors have a creation myth, 161 00:10:56,657 --> 00:10:59,743 which is a fabricated story about their beginnings. 162 00:10:59,826 --> 00:11:02,871 I spent years researching his apprenticeship 163 00:11:02,955 --> 00:11:04,331 in the motion pictures. 164 00:11:04,414 --> 00:11:06,792 He claims in his book that he walked off the street 165 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:08,961 in San Francisco into a building 166 00:11:09,044 --> 00:11:11,296 because there was an ad for a film director 167 00:11:11,380 --> 00:11:14,508 for a short film and he got a job as a director by bluffing. 168 00:11:14,591 --> 00:11:16,426 He knew nothing about film directing. 169 00:11:16,510 --> 00:11:17,594 Just bullshit. 170 00:11:17,678 --> 00:11:20,180 He had worked a whole series of humble jobs 171 00:11:20,264 --> 00:11:22,307 leading up to becoming a director. 172 00:11:22,724 --> 00:11:24,601 Capra worked as a janitor 173 00:11:24,685 --> 00:11:27,145 at the Christie Brothers Film Company. 174 00:11:27,229 --> 00:11:28,438 I said, "What were you doing?" 175 00:11:28,522 --> 00:11:29,898 He said, "Cleaning up the horse shit". 176 00:11:30,357 --> 00:11:32,109 That's the way he started, 177 00:11:32,192 --> 00:11:34,611 cleaning up the horse shit, the humble thing you could do. 178 00:11:34,695 --> 00:11:36,697 And then he was an assistant director 179 00:11:36,780 --> 00:11:38,282 for companies in Hollywood. 180 00:11:38,365 --> 00:11:40,450 He was an assistant cameraman. 181 00:11:40,534 --> 00:11:43,078 He directed some of the Screen Snapshot series, 182 00:11:43,161 --> 00:11:45,914 which were documentary films about Hollywood. 183 00:11:45,998 --> 00:11:48,166 And to me, it's much more inspirational 184 00:11:48,250 --> 00:11:50,127 that you start at the bottom. 185 00:11:50,210 --> 00:11:53,463 In these early days, he learnt very quickly. 186 00:11:53,589 --> 00:11:56,717 He learnt by watching what others were doing, 187 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,847 and it turned out he had a real gift for visual gags. 188 00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:06,435 Not word gags, but visual gags. 189 00:12:06,768 --> 00:12:10,147 So he could think in images. 190 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:12,065 And that was the beginning, really. 191 00:12:13,192 --> 00:12:14,818 {\an8}I never had such fun in my life. 192 00:12:15,194 --> 00:12:20,115 {\an8}The fun of creating something, it just grabs you. 193 00:12:20,199 --> 00:12:23,035 Your heart beats fast when you create something. 194 00:12:23,118 --> 00:12:25,370 And then later on, when one of my pictures 195 00:12:25,454 --> 00:12:28,040 would happen to be playing and I'd pass by 196 00:12:28,123 --> 00:12:31,960 and I'd hear them laugh like hell through the picture. 197 00:12:32,044 --> 00:12:35,464 Oh, boy, I'll tell you, that's the payoff of payoffs. 198 00:12:36,924 --> 00:12:37,966 You're looking down 199 00:12:38,050 --> 00:12:39,593 on the intersection of Hollywood and Vine, 200 00:12:39,676 --> 00:12:41,929 one of the most talked about four corners on Earth. 201 00:12:46,308 --> 00:12:48,852 If you were to take your stand here and wait long enough, 202 00:12:48,936 --> 00:12:51,271 you'd eventually see every outstanding star 203 00:12:51,355 --> 00:12:52,773 in show business. 204 00:12:52,856 --> 00:12:55,776 The Hollywood that we think of in our imaginations 205 00:12:55,859 --> 00:12:57,194 and basically the Hollywood 206 00:12:57,277 --> 00:13:00,072 that existed up until a few years ago 207 00:13:00,155 --> 00:13:02,824 was this world of studios, of sound stages 208 00:13:02,908 --> 00:13:06,828 and giant teams of people to run these movie cities. 209 00:13:07,412 --> 00:13:09,414 Now, not every studio 210 00:13:09,498 --> 00:13:12,918 had the financial muscle to make movies 211 00:13:13,001 --> 00:13:16,547 on the level of let's say, an MGM... 212 00:13:18,340 --> 00:13:19,716 ...or a Fox. 213 00:13:21,093 --> 00:13:23,136 Or a Paramount. 214 00:13:23,220 --> 00:13:25,013 There were also a couple of minor studios, 215 00:13:25,097 --> 00:13:28,100 and informally, they were known as Poverty Row. 216 00:13:28,684 --> 00:13:31,436 They weren't poor. They were poorer by comparison. 217 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,274 And at the top of this second tier is Columbia. 218 00:13:36,775 --> 00:13:38,151 Capra was on his way up 219 00:13:38,235 --> 00:13:40,988 when he arrived at Columbia in 1927. 220 00:13:41,071 --> 00:13:46,994 So he's a baby director beginning with a baby studio. 221 00:13:47,077 --> 00:13:48,871 They're equally matched. 222 00:13:50,497 --> 00:13:55,794 You put Frank Capra into an atmosphere like this 223 00:13:55,878 --> 00:14:00,591 and I think he said, "Okay, I can do something with this". 224 00:14:00,674 --> 00:14:04,178 Because Columbia also, year by year, 225 00:14:04,261 --> 00:14:08,807 would do at least a couple of features with a real budget. 226 00:14:13,145 --> 00:14:15,480 The history of Frank Capra and Columbia 227 00:14:15,564 --> 00:14:17,191 is completely intertwined. 228 00:14:17,274 --> 00:14:19,234 {\an8}It's definitional for both. 229 00:14:19,776 --> 00:14:21,987 {\an8}There would be no Columbia today. 230 00:14:22,070 --> 00:14:25,324 {\an8}I wouldn't be sitting in the job that I'm in without Frank Capra. 231 00:14:25,407 --> 00:14:27,451 And I think there would be no Frank Capra 232 00:14:27,534 --> 00:14:29,912 in the way that there was without Columbia. 233 00:14:31,288 --> 00:14:33,999 Columbia didn't have the resources 234 00:14:34,082 --> 00:14:35,792 that these other studios had. 235 00:14:35,876 --> 00:14:38,795 Because of it, there was more freedom at Columbia. 236 00:14:40,297 --> 00:14:42,341 And that may be surprising to a lot of people 237 00:14:42,424 --> 00:14:44,384 who know something about Harry Cohn. 238 00:14:47,095 --> 00:14:50,933 Harry Cohn ran the studio. He basically ran it alone, 239 00:14:51,016 --> 00:14:53,560 although he had a few stalwart executives. 240 00:14:53,644 --> 00:14:55,729 Cohn had his fingers in everything, 241 00:14:55,812 --> 00:14:57,648 and to that degree, 242 00:14:57,731 --> 00:15:02,361 didn't have full control of any one picture. 243 00:15:02,444 --> 00:15:03,695 He would delegate, 244 00:15:03,779 --> 00:15:06,031 and rather than delegating to a producer, 245 00:15:06,114 --> 00:15:07,741 he would delegate to a director. 246 00:15:07,824 --> 00:15:11,578 Frank needed Cohn and Cohn needed Frank. 247 00:15:11,662 --> 00:15:13,705 The unimposing little fella nearest to the camera 248 00:15:13,789 --> 00:15:15,499 may not look like a great director, 249 00:15:15,582 --> 00:15:16,875 but don't let that fool you. 250 00:15:16,959 --> 00:15:19,503 The name's Capra. Frank Capra. 251 00:15:19,586 --> 00:15:21,672 Frank takes his fame very seriously. 252 00:15:22,172 --> 00:15:23,465 Very seriously. 253 00:15:24,174 --> 00:15:26,051 Creativity doesn't want to be managed, 254 00:15:26,134 --> 00:15:27,594 and it doesn't want to be restricted. 255 00:15:27,678 --> 00:15:29,429 It wants to be free and unbridled. 256 00:15:29,513 --> 00:15:33,058 And that's the very delicate art of managing creativity. 257 00:15:33,141 --> 00:15:35,853 Now, it's ironic to use the word "delicate" 258 00:15:35,936 --> 00:15:38,522 in connection with a SOB like Cohn, 259 00:15:38,605 --> 00:15:41,650 who was a notorious, absolute bastard. 260 00:15:41,733 --> 00:15:43,318 But he had vision 261 00:15:43,402 --> 00:15:46,071 and he actually understood filmmaking and he knew talent, 262 00:15:46,154 --> 00:15:48,866 and his early faith and investment in Capra 263 00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:51,493 was because Capra was talented and he recognised it 264 00:15:51,577 --> 00:15:52,661 and he backed him. 265 00:15:53,328 --> 00:15:57,499 The big studios could afford to have stars under contract. 266 00:15:57,583 --> 00:16:00,377 At Columbia, they don't really... 267 00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:02,838 They have a couple of stars under contract. 268 00:16:03,505 --> 00:16:07,259 And they can't compete with MGM on that level. 269 00:16:07,342 --> 00:16:12,055 So how are they going to find a star? 270 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:16,852 Well, they find a star director in Frank Capra. 271 00:16:16,935 --> 00:16:20,189 So, with the infrastructure of Columbia, 272 00:16:20,606 --> 00:16:22,274 Capra ascended. 273 00:16:22,357 --> 00:16:25,444 {\an8}And with the talent of Capra's stardom, 274 00:16:25,527 --> 00:16:26,820 {\an8}Columbia ascended. 275 00:16:27,821 --> 00:16:30,991 These are the early days of his career. 276 00:16:31,074 --> 00:16:32,868 He's doing everything. 277 00:16:32,951 --> 00:16:36,663 And it was because of that versatility that he pulls off 278 00:16:36,747 --> 00:16:39,374 {\an8}a series of movies that we don't really associate 279 00:16:39,458 --> 00:16:40,792 {\an8}with Capra films. 280 00:16:40,876 --> 00:16:43,295 {\an8}A movie called Dirigible. 281 00:16:44,379 --> 00:16:45,881 A movie called Flight. 282 00:16:46,757 --> 00:16:48,342 A movie called Submarine. 283 00:16:52,304 --> 00:16:54,264 These were action pictures 284 00:16:54,348 --> 00:16:57,059 that probably would seem more like, you know, 285 00:16:57,142 --> 00:17:00,187 a Raoul Walsh movie than a Frank Capra movie. 286 00:17:10,781 --> 00:17:13,282 He didn't just make one kind of film. 287 00:17:13,367 --> 00:17:17,162 He has war films or military films. 288 00:17:24,294 --> 00:17:26,171 There's the north station, over there. 289 00:17:28,131 --> 00:17:30,884 {\an8}How about The Bitter Tea of General Yen 290 00:17:30,968 --> 00:17:33,178 {\an8}or how about The Miracle Woman? 291 00:17:33,262 --> 00:17:36,265 I mean, he tries different things. Forbidden. 292 00:17:36,348 --> 00:17:40,102 One of the most beautiful sort of woman's pictures 293 00:17:40,185 --> 00:17:43,605 or as someone might say, soap operas of its time. 294 00:17:43,689 --> 00:17:47,067 But it's a beautiful film. It's tender and human, 295 00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:48,861 and really very beautiful. 296 00:17:49,486 --> 00:17:50,737 Hello, Al. 297 00:17:50,821 --> 00:17:52,114 "Sit right down, Mr Holland. 298 00:17:52,197 --> 00:17:54,658 "I can't tell you how glad I am to see you." 299 00:17:54,741 --> 00:17:56,368 {\an8}Where have you been all this time? 300 00:17:57,369 --> 00:17:59,329 {\an8}Here and there, mostly there. 301 00:17:59,413 --> 00:18:01,707 {\an8}I've looked for you in every jail in the state. 302 00:18:01,790 --> 00:18:03,750 I got time off for good behaviour. 303 00:18:05,335 --> 00:18:08,714 Would it shock you to know my heart's been broken? 304 00:18:08,797 --> 00:18:12,092 It's been going "potato" for the last couple of years. 305 00:18:14,178 --> 00:18:16,555 -Who's your lady friend? -Yeah, honey. 306 00:18:17,306 --> 00:18:19,933 Go on. My head's bloody, but unbowed. 307 00:18:20,475 --> 00:18:22,686 -You're married? -No. 308 00:18:24,229 --> 00:18:25,272 Niece? 309 00:18:25,772 --> 00:18:26,857 No. 310 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,110 You're a governess? 311 00:18:31,904 --> 00:18:34,489 Yeah. And I think I better be getting her home. 312 00:18:39,036 --> 00:18:40,287 Now that evening is here, 313 00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:42,247 suppose we go to a world premiere 314 00:18:42,331 --> 00:18:44,333 held at Grauman's Chinese Theatre? 315 00:18:45,042 --> 00:18:46,502 A first showing in Hollywood 316 00:18:46,585 --> 00:18:48,754 is an event of worldwide interest. 317 00:18:49,213 --> 00:18:52,007 When I say that Cohn and I had the same job, 318 00:18:52,090 --> 00:18:53,550 I should have been more specific. 319 00:18:53,634 --> 00:18:55,677 It wasn't just to make a slate of pictures, 320 00:18:55,761 --> 00:18:57,054 it's to make hits. 321 00:18:57,137 --> 00:18:59,556 Harry Cohn wasn't going to keep the bankers from his door 322 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,100 if he didn't make hits, and believe me, 323 00:19:02,184 --> 00:19:04,728 the reason he loved Frank Capra was because he made hits. 324 00:19:04,811 --> 00:19:07,147 And Frank Capra didn't become a rich man, 325 00:19:07,231 --> 00:19:09,274 rich and successful man, 326 00:19:09,358 --> 00:19:11,527 without enormous commercial success. 327 00:19:13,695 --> 00:19:15,113 A film director is lucky 328 00:19:15,197 --> 00:19:19,034 when what occurs to him and her as being a good film 329 00:19:19,117 --> 00:19:22,704 also happens to occur to enough of the audience 330 00:19:22,788 --> 00:19:24,122 also as good. 331 00:19:24,206 --> 00:19:27,167 Capra's great talent was that what occurred to him 332 00:19:27,251 --> 00:19:29,336 {\an8}as a story he himself wanted to see... 333 00:19:29,837 --> 00:19:31,755 {\an8}...and the way in which he told it 334 00:19:31,839 --> 00:19:33,924 {\an8}happened to be extremely appealing to others. 335 00:19:34,007 --> 00:19:35,425 {\an8}He just had the talent. 336 00:19:39,263 --> 00:19:42,641 Discouragement, fear, failure. 337 00:19:42,724 --> 00:19:46,019 Only a few years ago, these dogged the nation. 338 00:19:46,103 --> 00:19:48,021 Depression, haunted America. 339 00:19:52,734 --> 00:19:55,696 It was a desperate, desperate time, 340 00:19:55,779 --> 00:19:59,032 the likes of which we hadn't seen before 341 00:19:59,116 --> 00:20:01,201 or since in this country. 342 00:20:21,138 --> 00:20:26,018 Capra's movies came along, and they connected very directly 343 00:20:26,101 --> 00:20:29,104 to what people were thinking and feeling. 344 00:20:29,188 --> 00:20:32,900 And they do not deny the Depression. 345 00:20:33,692 --> 00:20:39,698 {\an8}But they provide escape by giving you laughter, victory... 346 00:20:40,282 --> 00:20:44,745 {\an8}...charm, glamour and a great story to absorb you 347 00:20:44,828 --> 00:20:46,914 so that you forget your troubles. 348 00:20:47,831 --> 00:20:49,333 My name is Smith. 349 00:20:50,167 --> 00:20:54,087 That you seem to have been able to stand for the last month. 350 00:20:55,005 --> 00:20:58,050 I'm white, male and over 21. 351 00:20:58,592 --> 00:21:00,093 I've never been in jail. 352 00:21:00,886 --> 00:21:02,679 That is, not often. 353 00:21:04,806 --> 00:21:06,975 And I prefer Scotch to bourbon. 354 00:21:07,059 --> 00:21:09,686 I hate carrots, I hate peas, I like black coffee 355 00:21:09,770 --> 00:21:11,146 and I hate garters. 356 00:21:12,481 --> 00:21:16,693 I make 75 bucks a week and I got 847 bucks in the bank. 357 00:21:19,530 --> 00:21:22,824 And I don't know yet whether your eyes are blue or violet. 358 00:21:22,908 --> 00:21:25,494 That's because you're too far away, Stew. 359 00:21:29,831 --> 00:21:32,334 I guess the picture, correct me if I'm wrong, that really 360 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,963 many critics say started the Frank Capra style 361 00:21:36,046 --> 00:21:37,756 was Platinum Blonde. Would you agree? 362 00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:42,052 I think Platinum Blonde 363 00:21:42,845 --> 00:21:45,264 and American Madness, those two, yes. 364 00:21:45,347 --> 00:21:49,184 I begin to go into the social stuff. 365 00:21:49,268 --> 00:21:51,186 I always said Union National was a phoney bank. 366 00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:52,396 Union National? 367 00:21:52,980 --> 00:21:54,481 {\an8}You have money in that bank, too? 368 00:21:54,565 --> 00:21:55,899 {\an8}Yes. Something wrong? 369 00:21:57,150 --> 00:21:59,862 {\an8}-Run! -You're telling me! 370 00:21:59,945 --> 00:22:01,113 Give all the men in your plant 371 00:22:01,196 --> 00:22:02,656 a couple hours off to get their money out. 372 00:22:02,739 --> 00:22:05,117 Tell Mrs Hardy to tell everyone in the apartment house. 373 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,160 All right, I'll get it. I'll bust a few noses. 374 00:22:07,244 --> 00:22:09,621 Holy smoke. I'll get right down there if I have to fly. 375 00:22:09,705 --> 00:22:11,790 Run down there and get your money at once. 376 00:22:13,584 --> 00:22:15,085 Oh, my goodness. 377 00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:17,546 Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. 378 00:22:17,629 --> 00:22:18,839 Oh, my goodness. 379 00:22:21,592 --> 00:22:24,928 The audiences see his films as extraordinarily contemporary. 380 00:22:25,345 --> 00:22:29,391 {\an8}They see his films as depicting a Depression-era America... 381 00:22:29,725 --> 00:22:33,645 {\an8}...that they either recognise or aspire to. 382 00:22:33,729 --> 00:22:36,273 That's what they want America to look like, 383 00:22:36,356 --> 00:22:37,357 people who help each other. 384 00:22:37,441 --> 00:22:39,234 Matt, look! There's Mr Jones! 385 00:22:39,318 --> 00:22:41,236 I'm putting my money in this bank! 386 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,321 I know what I'm doing! 387 00:22:44,364 --> 00:22:45,991 Open up. I want to put some money here. 388 00:22:46,074 --> 00:22:47,117 I don't want to take any out! 389 00:22:47,201 --> 00:22:48,785 Certainly, Mr Jones. Teller... 390 00:22:48,869 --> 00:22:50,412 They're starting to come in already. 391 00:22:50,495 --> 00:22:52,289 Yeah, yeah, well, listen. Don't waste any time. 392 00:22:52,372 --> 00:22:54,166 Get all the money you can lay your hands on. 393 00:22:54,249 --> 00:22:55,417 Who's this? 394 00:22:56,460 --> 00:22:58,045 Come on out here, pawnbrokers. Take a look. 395 00:22:58,128 --> 00:22:59,588 We've been waiting 50 minutes. 396 00:22:59,671 --> 00:23:01,131 Come on. Take a look at this. 397 00:23:01,215 --> 00:23:02,883 See a demonstration of faith that's worth more 398 00:23:02,966 --> 00:23:04,051 than all the collateral. 399 00:23:04,134 --> 00:23:06,261 Come on, boys. It'll do your heart good. 400 00:23:06,345 --> 00:23:08,305 Look at that. They're shoving their hard-earned money 401 00:23:08,388 --> 00:23:10,557 across the counter with a 10-1 chance against them. 402 00:23:15,437 --> 00:23:17,022 One thing we have to keep in mind is that 403 00:23:17,105 --> 00:23:19,608 the American studios were always producing films 404 00:23:19,691 --> 00:23:21,485 {\an8}for a global audience. 405 00:23:21,568 --> 00:23:24,321 {\an8}His films that we think of as so quintessentially American 406 00:23:24,404 --> 00:23:26,323 {\an8}were huge hits wherever they played. 407 00:23:26,448 --> 00:23:28,992 {\an8}And that's interesting, and they seem to have 408 00:23:29,076 --> 00:23:32,079 {\an8}the same meaning for audiences in France, 409 00:23:32,162 --> 00:23:34,957 audiences in the UK that they had for 410 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,875 audiences here in the US. 411 00:23:39,628 --> 00:23:41,964 And it was now this time that you began your association 412 00:23:42,047 --> 00:23:43,465 with Robert Riskin. 413 00:23:43,549 --> 00:23:46,176 It was a very happy and very long association. 414 00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:48,470 We both vibrated to the same tuning fork. 415 00:23:48,554 --> 00:23:50,514 We collaborated on everything 416 00:23:50,597 --> 00:23:54,309 and we both kind of had that same idea of comedy. 417 00:23:54,393 --> 00:23:56,395 Human comedy, not gag comedy. 418 00:23:56,478 --> 00:23:59,857 And that's a great thing, 419 00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:01,775 when you can get two people that agree. 420 00:24:03,318 --> 00:24:06,572 Capra had an exceptional eye for good writing, 421 00:24:06,655 --> 00:24:09,575 and he knew the importance of a good script. 422 00:24:09,658 --> 00:24:13,203 So, in the early '30s, when he starts landing 423 00:24:13,287 --> 00:24:17,207 some really exceptionally talented screenwriters, 424 00:24:17,291 --> 00:24:18,959 he was ready to go. 425 00:24:26,675 --> 00:24:29,178 Later in his life, Capra would, sort of, take credit 426 00:24:29,261 --> 00:24:30,971 for pretty much everything in his films. 427 00:24:31,054 --> 00:24:32,723 But early on, he was smart enough 428 00:24:32,806 --> 00:24:35,601 to put together the best crew he possibly could. 429 00:24:36,935 --> 00:24:40,564 The cameraman, Joseph Walker, who was on so many of his films, 430 00:24:40,647 --> 00:24:42,900 and Barbara Stanwyck and other actors 431 00:24:42,983 --> 00:24:46,320 who really helped to create the world that he made. 432 00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:49,114 So I think that the Capra film 433 00:24:49,198 --> 00:24:52,117 stands for a wide crew of people. 434 00:25:04,796 --> 00:25:08,383 When It Happened One Night was released into theatres, 435 00:25:08,467 --> 00:25:12,513 {\an8}believe it or not, initially, it didn't do that well. 436 00:25:12,971 --> 00:25:15,307 {\an8}But then something happened. 437 00:25:16,141 --> 00:25:18,185 People started coming back. 438 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,480 The ones who saw it liked it enough to go back, 439 00:25:21,563 --> 00:25:23,440 and they told their friends. 440 00:25:23,524 --> 00:25:28,362 Capra liked to say years later that "people made that movie" 441 00:25:28,445 --> 00:25:31,031 because it was the ticketholders... 442 00:25:31,114 --> 00:25:34,284 ...the punters who just kept coming back. 443 00:25:38,455 --> 00:25:41,250 Any time you're going back to, you know, the production 444 00:25:41,333 --> 00:25:44,753 of a Hollywood film during the classic era... 445 00:25:44,837 --> 00:25:47,631 ...there can be a lot of myths attached to it. 446 00:25:47,714 --> 00:25:52,135 {\an8}In this case, it's safe to go with the stories 447 00:25:52,219 --> 00:25:53,929 {\an8}because they're not really myths. 448 00:25:54,012 --> 00:25:56,974 {\an8}Nobody wanted to make this movie. 449 00:25:57,057 --> 00:26:00,769 Certainly, it's two stars had to sort of be dragged 450 00:26:00,853 --> 00:26:02,229 kicking and screaming. 451 00:26:02,312 --> 00:26:07,067 Clark Gable was there because he was being punished by MGM. 452 00:26:07,150 --> 00:26:09,403 He had been asking for more money 453 00:26:09,486 --> 00:26:11,738 and MGM kind of told him to go sit in a corner 454 00:26:11,822 --> 00:26:13,365 and think about what he did. 455 00:26:13,448 --> 00:26:17,035 And Claudette Colbert only agreed to do it 456 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,956 when she was given an exorbitant salary 457 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:22,249 for doing so. 458 00:26:22,332 --> 00:26:24,251 Next time you drop in, bring your folks. 459 00:26:24,877 --> 00:26:28,380 At some point during the filming of It Happened One Night, 460 00:26:28,463 --> 00:26:30,132 it started to hit people 461 00:26:30,215 --> 00:26:34,011 that their kind of loosey-goosey attitude 462 00:26:34,094 --> 00:26:35,762 towards making this movie 463 00:26:35,846 --> 00:26:39,433 was actually producing something rather special. 464 00:26:50,027 --> 00:26:52,821 Claudette Colbert said in later years 465 00:26:52,905 --> 00:26:56,575 that when she read "The Man on the Flying Trapeze" scene, 466 00:26:56,658 --> 00:26:58,994 she thought it was kind of ridiculous. 467 00:26:59,077 --> 00:27:01,413 Couldn't understand how everybody on the bus 468 00:27:01,496 --> 00:27:04,208 would know the lyrics to one song. 469 00:27:04,291 --> 00:27:09,338 But then, when she actually got in there and was filming it, 470 00:27:09,421 --> 00:27:12,299 she happened to catch the eye of her maid 471 00:27:12,382 --> 00:27:15,385 who was standing somewhere behind the cameraman, 472 00:27:15,469 --> 00:27:18,138 and her maid was loving it. 473 00:27:21,725 --> 00:27:26,313 And Claudette thought, "Wow. Okay. 474 00:27:26,396 --> 00:27:28,565 "We really may have something here." 475 00:27:45,123 --> 00:27:50,712 Movies of any type are often about an idealised portrayal. 476 00:27:50,796 --> 00:27:52,506 Life as you wish it were, 477 00:27:52,589 --> 00:27:56,009 not necessarily life as it really is. 478 00:27:56,093 --> 00:28:00,097 So, when they get on the bus and start singing 479 00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:04,852 "The Man on the Flying Trapeze", that's when you really know 480 00:28:04,935 --> 00:28:10,566 that this is a movie about people coming together. 481 00:28:20,534 --> 00:28:24,371 There's not a lot of the Depression 482 00:28:24,454 --> 00:28:28,166 in It Happened One Night, oddly enough. 483 00:28:28,667 --> 00:28:34,006 {\an8}A train goes by as they wait at the crossroads 484 00:28:34,089 --> 00:28:36,967 and on the train are some hobos. 485 00:28:37,050 --> 00:28:40,429 The Depression is now passing through the film. 486 00:28:40,512 --> 00:28:41,805 "Hello, audience. 487 00:28:41,889 --> 00:28:44,600 "Yes, we remember there's a Depression", 488 00:28:44,683 --> 00:28:47,769 but, you know, you're talking about something else 489 00:28:47,853 --> 00:28:49,146 in this movie. 490 00:28:49,229 --> 00:28:50,772 A love story. 491 00:28:51,565 --> 00:28:55,527 A love story where a woman who has money 492 00:28:55,611 --> 00:28:59,698 and a guy who doesn't learn about each other, 493 00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:04,203 and you learn that not having money is okay. 494 00:29:04,286 --> 00:29:06,413 In fact, it's noble. 495 00:29:06,496 --> 00:29:08,540 It's better than being rich. 496 00:29:08,999 --> 00:29:11,293 Where'd you learn to dunk? In finishing school? 497 00:29:12,336 --> 00:29:14,755 Now, don't you start telling me I shouldn't dunk. 498 00:29:14,838 --> 00:29:16,423 Of course you shouldn't. You don't know how to do it. 499 00:29:16,507 --> 00:29:17,674 Dunking's an art. 500 00:29:17,758 --> 00:29:21,553 Don't let it soak so long. A dip, and into your mouth. 501 00:29:22,012 --> 00:29:24,223 You leave it in too long, it'll get soft and fall off. 502 00:29:24,306 --> 00:29:27,017 It's all a matter of timing. I'll write a book about it. 503 00:29:27,851 --> 00:29:30,521 -Thanks, Professor. -Just goes to show you. 504 00:29:30,979 --> 00:29:33,065 Plenty millions and you don't know how to dunk. 505 00:29:33,148 --> 00:29:35,150 These rich people couldn't dunk doughnuts. 506 00:29:35,234 --> 00:29:38,987 I mean, there's no future in life if you can't dunk. 507 00:29:39,071 --> 00:29:41,823 She doesn't even know what piggybacking is. 508 00:29:41,907 --> 00:29:43,242 Are the shower's in there? 509 00:29:43,325 --> 00:29:44,576 They ain't out here. 510 00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:48,413 She has to learn to be an American, 511 00:29:48,914 --> 00:29:50,499 and not a rich person. 512 00:29:50,582 --> 00:29:53,293 That is really what this is about. 513 00:29:53,377 --> 00:29:56,713 She has to learn to be like other Americans. 514 00:29:57,130 --> 00:29:58,757 A person without money. 515 00:29:58,841 --> 00:30:02,010 You want to shower around here, you'll stand in line. 516 00:30:02,094 --> 00:30:06,265 Money is not important. It's not the thing. 517 00:30:06,348 --> 00:30:10,185 It's a reassuring message for American audiences. 518 00:30:10,644 --> 00:30:14,064 Well, today, it's easy. It's a rom-com, right? 519 00:30:14,147 --> 00:30:16,400 There weren't a lot of 'em back in the day. 520 00:30:16,483 --> 00:30:19,862 It's a star-driven rom-com. It's very simple. 521 00:30:19,945 --> 00:30:23,073 It's When Harry Met Sally... or any one of the movies 522 00:30:23,156 --> 00:30:25,617 that Tom Hanks made with Meg Ryan. 523 00:30:25,701 --> 00:30:27,786 At the time, it was way more than that. 524 00:30:27,870 --> 00:30:30,831 It was genre-breaking. There really weren't a lot of 'em. 525 00:30:30,914 --> 00:30:34,168 It was class-based romance. It was pretty racy. 526 00:30:36,003 --> 00:30:40,507 It's scene after scene after scene of perfectly staged 527 00:30:40,591 --> 00:30:42,634 drama/comedy. 528 00:30:42,718 --> 00:30:45,220 It's a movie where everything came together. 529 00:30:45,304 --> 00:30:48,640 The screenplay, the casting. Not this one but that one. 530 00:30:48,724 --> 00:30:50,976 We tried to get this one, but he was unavailable. 531 00:30:51,059 --> 00:30:55,439 Mr Meyer forced Gable on Harry Cohn, whatever it was. 532 00:30:55,522 --> 00:30:57,316 This looks like the best spot. 533 00:30:58,275 --> 00:31:00,694 We're not going to sleep out here, are we? 534 00:31:00,944 --> 00:31:01,945 I don't know about you, 535 00:31:02,029 --> 00:31:04,615 but I'm going to give a fairly good imitation of it. 536 00:31:04,698 --> 00:31:07,618 The famous scene where they go to sleep under the haystacks. 537 00:31:07,701 --> 00:31:08,994 Beautifully shot. 538 00:31:09,077 --> 00:31:12,873 And the desire between them is so palpable. 539 00:31:15,167 --> 00:31:18,253 The other thing he controlled masterfully was rhythm. 540 00:31:18,337 --> 00:31:20,255 And so often, his movies move fast, 541 00:31:20,339 --> 00:31:22,174 but he also knows when to slow down. 542 00:31:22,758 --> 00:31:25,552 And in that film, when they almost kiss 543 00:31:25,636 --> 00:31:29,139 and then Gable stands up and lights a cigarette instead 544 00:31:29,556 --> 00:31:31,517 and goes to sleep in the other haystack. 545 00:31:32,392 --> 00:31:34,269 And you cut back to her and she's looking at him, 546 00:31:34,353 --> 00:31:36,271 "Oh, you dope, why didn't you kiss me? 547 00:31:36,355 --> 00:31:37,856 "Why didn't you kiss me?" 548 00:31:37,940 --> 00:31:41,276 And it just quietly fades out on a close-up of her. 549 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,694 It's so beautiful. 550 00:31:43,278 --> 00:31:44,863 Just so beautiful. 551 00:31:46,907 --> 00:31:50,577 It wasn't really anything anybody thought 552 00:31:50,661 --> 00:31:51,870 was going to be successful, 553 00:31:51,954 --> 00:31:54,540 and there were a lot of problems going along with it. 554 00:31:54,623 --> 00:31:57,960 And Frank said, "You know, maybe we should abandon this. 555 00:31:58,043 --> 00:31:59,920 "I mean, nobody seems to want this. 556 00:32:00,003 --> 00:32:02,548 "Everybody says a bus story is never going to work." 557 00:32:04,424 --> 00:32:06,718 At that time, Columbia was still 558 00:32:06,802 --> 00:32:08,887 making its way off of Poverty Row, 559 00:32:09,638 --> 00:32:13,308 and it became a giant hit for Clark Gable. 560 00:32:13,392 --> 00:32:16,186 It was transcendent in the history 561 00:32:16,270 --> 00:32:18,105 and the life of the studio, 562 00:32:18,188 --> 00:32:21,149 and it's the first of only three movies ever 563 00:32:21,233 --> 00:32:22,568 in the history of Hollywood 564 00:32:22,651 --> 00:32:26,113 to have won all five of the major Academy Awards. 565 00:32:26,196 --> 00:32:29,449 Picture, director, writer, actor, and actress. 566 00:32:30,075 --> 00:32:33,871 So it pulled Columbia up into the big leagues. 567 00:32:38,917 --> 00:32:42,588 Frank Capra rang the gong of Hollywood 568 00:32:42,671 --> 00:32:44,715 in a way it had never been rung before. 569 00:32:44,798 --> 00:32:49,344 It Happened One Night won all five top prizes. 570 00:32:50,095 --> 00:32:52,264 This was a singular thing 571 00:32:52,347 --> 00:32:54,266 that this young man 572 00:32:54,349 --> 00:32:57,811 at a low-budget, Poverty Row studio 573 00:32:57,895 --> 00:33:00,439 hit the top, hit the top. 574 00:33:05,235 --> 00:33:07,237 Those five awards nearly killed me. 575 00:33:07,321 --> 00:33:09,823 I mean, you know, you shake the Oscar tree 576 00:33:09,907 --> 00:33:11,325 when you get the five major awards. 577 00:33:11,408 --> 00:33:12,993 What are you gonna do for an encore? 578 00:33:13,076 --> 00:33:14,077 This was my problem, 579 00:33:14,161 --> 00:33:17,206 and I got it so early in my life, you see? 580 00:33:17,289 --> 00:33:19,875 Capra went to pieces kind of after he became successful 581 00:33:19,958 --> 00:33:21,627 with It Happened One Night. 582 00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:24,630 He said suddenly people know who you are in Asia, 583 00:33:24,713 --> 00:33:27,633 you know, I mean, it's a whole different feeling. 584 00:33:27,716 --> 00:33:30,260 I read all kinds of things, but everything seemed trivial 585 00:33:30,344 --> 00:33:33,972 and puerile after that, and I feigned sickness. 586 00:33:34,515 --> 00:33:37,768 Not to make any more pictures. I wanted to quit for a while. 587 00:33:37,851 --> 00:33:40,562 I was afraid, actually afraid to make another film. 588 00:33:40,646 --> 00:33:43,690 He's a director who, like many others at that time, 589 00:33:43,774 --> 00:33:44,983 was working nonstop. 590 00:33:45,067 --> 00:33:48,987 So It Happened One Night, of course, sets him up to fail 591 00:33:49,071 --> 00:33:51,865 as much as it sets him up to succeed. 592 00:33:51,949 --> 00:33:54,743 He almost died of peritonitis 593 00:33:54,826 --> 00:33:57,162 and he was really ill, seriously ill. 594 00:33:57,246 --> 00:33:59,873 So I feigned sickness, but in feigning sickness, 595 00:33:59,957 --> 00:34:04,169 I became sick, and I was really about to die 596 00:34:04,253 --> 00:34:06,380 when a friend of mine 597 00:34:06,463 --> 00:34:09,675 brought in a very faceless old man who came in 598 00:34:09,757 --> 00:34:12,219 and said to me, "Mr Capra, you're a coward". 599 00:34:13,428 --> 00:34:14,929 And I said, "Coward? I'm sick". 600 00:34:15,013 --> 00:34:16,974 And he said, "No, you're a coward. 601 00:34:17,056 --> 00:34:18,766 "You were given certain gifts 602 00:34:18,851 --> 00:34:20,726 "and you're not using them. 603 00:34:20,811 --> 00:34:23,313 "You have been given a gift to reach hundreds of millions 604 00:34:23,397 --> 00:34:25,357 "and for two hours, and in the dark. 605 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,067 "You're a coward. You're an offence to God. 606 00:34:27,150 --> 00:34:28,485 "You're an offence to humanity." 607 00:34:28,569 --> 00:34:30,237 And he just got up and left. 608 00:34:30,654 --> 00:34:32,155 Things do seem to change. 609 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,701 Capra himself told a clearly apocryphal story 610 00:34:35,784 --> 00:34:38,120 about while he was convalescing, 611 00:34:38,203 --> 00:34:41,581 being visited by a little man whose name we don't know. 612 00:34:41,665 --> 00:34:43,292 We know nothing about him. 613 00:34:43,375 --> 00:34:45,418 Who told him to get up and get to work 614 00:34:45,502 --> 00:34:47,462 and stop feeling sorry for himself 615 00:34:47,545 --> 00:34:49,882 and to start to make films that meant things. 616 00:34:49,965 --> 00:34:52,551 He had to renew himself. 617 00:34:52,634 --> 00:34:55,971 He had to recharge himself, 618 00:34:56,054 --> 00:34:59,558 and no one really knows the why of this, 619 00:34:59,641 --> 00:35:02,519 and although he alludes to these things 620 00:35:02,603 --> 00:35:05,314 and discusses them in his autobiography, 621 00:35:05,397 --> 00:35:07,774 talked about them in interviews, 622 00:35:07,858 --> 00:35:09,568 you don't really understand 623 00:35:09,651 --> 00:35:13,322 exactly what is going on here with him. 624 00:35:13,405 --> 00:35:18,452 He is a man who feels things and fears things. 625 00:35:19,745 --> 00:35:22,664 As I got to know Frank over the years 626 00:35:22,748 --> 00:35:24,625 and we spent a lot of time 627 00:35:24,708 --> 00:35:26,960 talking on the telephone together, 628 00:35:27,044 --> 00:35:31,381 we talked about his illnesses and his crises. 629 00:35:31,465 --> 00:35:35,677 And I would just say that he knew he was vulnerable. 630 00:35:36,094 --> 00:35:39,598 There's always something in you or in your life 631 00:35:39,681 --> 00:35:41,350 that can bring you pain. 632 00:35:42,059 --> 00:35:44,061 Some of it is simple health. 633 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,272 Other things are deeper than that. 634 00:35:47,356 --> 00:35:51,401 And I think that's probably all I would want to say about that. 635 00:35:51,485 --> 00:35:55,656 Capra realised how many people he was speaking to, 636 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,909 and how successfully he was coming across. 637 00:35:58,992 --> 00:36:01,995 So he wanted to make sure he was saying something 638 00:36:02,412 --> 00:36:05,541 important about the way that we lived. 639 00:36:05,624 --> 00:36:10,379 And it's that spiritual rebirth that fuels 640 00:36:10,462 --> 00:36:14,258 the next run of Capra's great movies. 641 00:36:20,389 --> 00:36:21,974 {\an8}I was doing it unconsciously. 642 00:36:22,766 --> 00:36:24,935 {\an8}But consciously, 643 00:36:25,018 --> 00:36:27,646 {\an8}the first film that I was going to make 644 00:36:27,729 --> 00:36:29,356 where I attempted to say something 645 00:36:29,439 --> 00:36:30,983 was Mr Deeds Goes to Town. 646 00:36:31,650 --> 00:36:34,945 An individual that reached deep within his resources 647 00:36:35,028 --> 00:36:38,323 and come up with the wits and the strength 648 00:36:38,407 --> 00:36:42,703 and the knowledge to defeat his environment. 649 00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:45,747 Well, that's hope. 650 00:36:46,623 --> 00:36:49,418 -Say something. -Tell your story. Go ahead. 651 00:36:49,543 --> 00:36:50,711 -Go ahead. -Tell him. 652 00:36:51,211 --> 00:36:52,296 Mr Deeds, 653 00:36:52,421 --> 00:36:54,923 the boys here wanted me to say a little something. 654 00:36:55,674 --> 00:36:57,467 Just wanted me to say that... 655 00:36:58,677 --> 00:37:01,847 Well, they want me to say that we think you're swell. 656 00:37:01,930 --> 00:37:03,098 And that's no baloney. 657 00:37:04,141 --> 00:37:06,935 -Say something more. -Give me a chance, fellas. 658 00:37:07,019 --> 00:37:10,063 We're all down and out. A fella like you comes along, 659 00:37:10,147 --> 00:37:11,899 it kinda gives us a little hope. 660 00:37:12,232 --> 00:37:15,110 From Mr Deeds on, my films are pretty much alike. 661 00:37:15,194 --> 00:37:18,280 I mean, the same things kept cropping up in them. 662 00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:21,033 -That's him. -Are you Longfellow Deeds? 663 00:37:21,116 --> 00:37:22,492 -Yes. -Sheriff's Office. 664 00:37:22,576 --> 00:37:24,453 We got a warrant to take you into custody. 665 00:37:24,912 --> 00:37:25,913 A what? 666 00:37:25,996 --> 00:37:27,831 A warrant for your arrest. You have to come along with us. 667 00:37:27,915 --> 00:37:30,250 These were films like Mr Deeds Goes to Town, 668 00:37:30,334 --> 00:37:33,086 Mr Smith Goes to Washington, Meet John Doe, 669 00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:35,214 and other films that are clearly 670 00:37:35,297 --> 00:37:39,176 making statements about life as it's lived in America 671 00:37:39,259 --> 00:37:40,302 at that time. 672 00:37:40,385 --> 00:37:45,432 About politics, about industry, about the law, about media. 673 00:37:46,850 --> 00:37:49,269 Because I wanna give money to people who need it, 674 00:37:49,353 --> 00:37:50,646 they think I'm crazy. 675 00:37:51,647 --> 00:37:54,483 That's marvellous. That makes everything complete. 676 00:37:54,566 --> 00:37:56,985 I guess what we learnt here 677 00:37:57,069 --> 00:37:59,488 is a kind of Frank Capra movie, isn't it? 678 00:37:59,571 --> 00:38:05,327 What we learn is that wealth is not the American Dream. 679 00:38:05,410 --> 00:38:08,664 It's about contributing to your community, 680 00:38:08,747 --> 00:38:09,748 to your country. 681 00:38:09,831 --> 00:38:14,586 It's an honourable sense of being a good man. 682 00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:16,296 Mr Deeds. 683 00:38:17,047 --> 00:38:19,883 You haven't yet touched upon the most important point. 684 00:38:20,843 --> 00:38:22,594 It's all a fantastic idea of yours 685 00:38:22,678 --> 00:38:24,596 to want to give away your entire fortune. 686 00:38:25,264 --> 00:38:27,724 It is, to say the least, most uncommon. 687 00:38:28,183 --> 00:38:29,768 It's like the road out in front of my house, 688 00:38:29,852 --> 00:38:30,894 it's on a steep hill. 689 00:38:30,978 --> 00:38:32,896 Every day I watch the cars climbing up. 690 00:38:33,397 --> 00:38:35,440 Some go lickety split up that hill on high, 691 00:38:35,524 --> 00:38:38,902 some have to shift into second and some sputter and shake 692 00:38:38,986 --> 00:38:40,779 and slip back to the bottom again. 693 00:38:40,863 --> 00:38:44,449 Same car, same gasoline, yet some make it and some don't. 694 00:38:44,533 --> 00:38:46,368 And I say the fellas who can make the hill on high 695 00:38:46,451 --> 00:38:48,871 should stop once in a while and help those who can't. 696 00:38:48,954 --> 00:38:50,372 That's all I'm trying to do with this money. 697 00:38:50,455 --> 00:38:52,666 Help the fellas who can't make the hill on high. 698 00:38:53,625 --> 00:38:56,378 And after careful deliberation, the committee have voted 699 00:38:57,212 --> 00:38:59,381 that the best direction for a motion picture 700 00:38:59,464 --> 00:39:01,466 during the year of 1936 701 00:39:02,092 --> 00:39:04,803 is awarded to you, Frank Capra, 702 00:39:04,887 --> 00:39:06,430 for your direction of the picture 703 00:39:06,513 --> 00:39:08,765 Mr Deeds Comes to Town. 704 00:39:10,309 --> 00:39:13,312 Retake, boys. It's "Goes to Town". Can't have that. 705 00:39:18,025 --> 00:39:20,319 Capra had to wait about a year 706 00:39:20,402 --> 00:39:22,613 to even get to make Lost Horizon. 707 00:39:22,696 --> 00:39:24,948 I really think he thought this was going 708 00:39:25,032 --> 00:39:30,871 {\an8}to be a grand statement, a real artistic achievement. 709 00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:40,964 {\an8}After Mr Deeds, Capra was feeling 710 00:39:41,048 --> 00:39:42,925 {\an8}a greater sense of responsibility. 711 00:39:43,008 --> 00:39:45,010 He was dealing with big issues, big subjects. 712 00:39:45,093 --> 00:39:47,012 He was being seen as a political force 713 00:39:47,095 --> 00:39:49,723 in the United States, a cultural force. 714 00:39:59,107 --> 00:40:00,901 Welcome to Shangri-La. 715 00:40:02,277 --> 00:40:04,863 You see, we are sheltered by mountains on every side. 716 00:40:05,447 --> 00:40:08,325 It's a strange phenomena for which we are very grateful. 717 00:40:14,665 --> 00:40:18,460 I simply like the fact that Lost Horizon 718 00:40:18,544 --> 00:40:21,672 is a utopian movie at all. 719 00:40:22,381 --> 00:40:23,757 It's magic. 720 00:40:24,341 --> 00:40:27,219 Those have kind of fallen by the wayside. 721 00:40:27,302 --> 00:40:29,680 Dystopia is what we get now. 722 00:40:30,556 --> 00:40:33,141 The problem with that film is it's a theme picture. 723 00:40:33,225 --> 00:40:34,935 It's not as much about the characters 724 00:40:35,018 --> 00:40:36,311 as the characters are dwarfed 725 00:40:36,395 --> 00:40:38,605 by the big themes and the big sets. 726 00:40:39,481 --> 00:40:42,442 It is our hope that the brotherly love 727 00:40:42,526 --> 00:40:43,861 of Shangri-La 728 00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:49,157 will spread throughout the world. 729 00:40:52,494 --> 00:40:56,915 Capra went way over budget and almost bankrupted Columbia. 730 00:40:56,999 --> 00:40:59,293 Harry Cohn had to call all the employees together 731 00:40:59,376 --> 00:41:01,378 on a soundstage at one point and say, 732 00:41:01,461 --> 00:41:03,130 "We can't pay your cheques for this week", 733 00:41:03,213 --> 00:41:04,965 because they were so short on cash. 734 00:41:06,341 --> 00:41:09,595 -What's happened? Where's Bob? -He's going, my child. 735 00:41:10,179 --> 00:41:11,180 In those days, 736 00:41:11,263 --> 00:41:13,140 there were bank lendings involved 737 00:41:13,223 --> 00:41:16,185 and it wouldn't have been hard for a runaway picture 738 00:41:16,268 --> 00:41:17,394 to sink a studio. 739 00:41:17,477 --> 00:41:19,855 So I think the production problems 740 00:41:19,938 --> 00:41:21,273 on Lost Horizon 741 00:41:21,356 --> 00:41:23,525 took a great toll on both sides. 742 00:41:23,609 --> 00:41:25,569 And it fractured the trust. 743 00:41:25,652 --> 00:41:30,073 And trust is hard won and easily lost. 744 00:41:31,158 --> 00:41:33,785 Harry Cohn took the picture away from Capra 745 00:41:33,869 --> 00:41:36,038 after a while because Capra couldn't bring it down 746 00:41:36,121 --> 00:41:38,081 to the length that Cohn wanted. 747 00:41:38,165 --> 00:41:41,585 It was not the success and winner of Oscars 748 00:41:41,668 --> 00:41:43,295 that they thought it would be. 749 00:41:43,378 --> 00:41:45,297 It was sort of the beginning of the end 750 00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:47,299 between them, probably. 751 00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:54,223 {\an8}Well, I don't start a film unless I have something to say 752 00:41:54,306 --> 00:41:55,807 {\an8}and know what I'm gonna say. 753 00:41:55,891 --> 00:41:57,768 He went down among the people. 754 00:41:58,685 --> 00:42:00,437 And there he found 755 00:42:02,314 --> 00:42:03,649 a nugget. 756 00:42:07,319 --> 00:42:10,697 Capra movies are about good people 757 00:42:10,781 --> 00:42:13,659 up against overwhelming opposition. 758 00:42:13,742 --> 00:42:16,662 ...to Senator Jefferson Smith. 759 00:42:19,373 --> 00:42:22,960 It's generally one person against the media, 760 00:42:23,043 --> 00:42:25,712 the government, popular awareness. 761 00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:29,800 These insurmountable projects 762 00:42:29,883 --> 00:42:31,927 that make them, in a way, 763 00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:34,680 almost like fairy tales, you know. 764 00:42:34,763 --> 00:42:37,474 How is Saint George going to slay the dragon? 765 00:42:37,558 --> 00:42:41,937 There's no way, you know. This is a hopeless situation. 766 00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:45,566 I can't help feeling that there's 767 00:42:45,649 --> 00:42:47,568 been a big mistake somehow. 768 00:42:50,487 --> 00:42:52,656 I don't think I'm gonna be much help to you 769 00:42:52,739 --> 00:42:54,241 down there in Washington, Senator. 770 00:42:55,951 --> 00:43:02,082 I used comedy and laughter as a way of becoming 771 00:43:02,165 --> 00:43:03,375 very friendly with the audience, 772 00:43:03,458 --> 00:43:06,128 or making the audience very friendly with the film, 773 00:43:06,211 --> 00:43:07,796 and with the characters in the film. 774 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,466 It's comedy directors who typically are most adept 775 00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:14,011 at drama and pathos. 776 00:43:14,678 --> 00:43:16,763 That's his brilliance with casting, 777 00:43:16,847 --> 00:43:18,849 is that he's a comedy director. 778 00:43:18,932 --> 00:43:22,603 That's his brilliance with pacing, with rhythm, 779 00:43:22,686 --> 00:43:24,521 is that he's a comedy director. 780 00:43:25,564 --> 00:43:30,569 It's in comedy that you learn the control of those things. 781 00:43:30,652 --> 00:43:33,989 It's really hard to calibrate things 782 00:43:34,072 --> 00:43:36,116 to get those laughs from the audience 783 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,494 and it takes time and it takes talent, 784 00:43:39,578 --> 00:43:41,830 experience and screening. 785 00:43:41,914 --> 00:43:43,790 You've got to screen your pictures a lot. 786 00:43:44,291 --> 00:43:45,959 If you entertain them with laughter, 787 00:43:46,043 --> 00:43:48,086 then you have them at a point 788 00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:50,088 where they might sit still for a message. 789 00:43:50,172 --> 00:43:52,216 Hello, Senator. I was just passing through. 790 00:43:52,299 --> 00:43:53,842 I thought I'd like to meet you. 791 00:43:54,718 --> 00:43:56,053 Sit down. You met all the boys here, 792 00:43:56,136 --> 00:43:57,137 -I suppose. -Yes, sir. 793 00:43:57,221 --> 00:43:58,847 They tell me you've been right on your toes 794 00:43:58,931 --> 00:44:00,265 ever since you got here. 795 00:44:00,349 --> 00:44:01,517 That's fine. 796 00:44:02,643 --> 00:44:05,646 You know, some people told me that you were dumb. 797 00:44:05,729 --> 00:44:07,397 I think you're smart. 798 00:44:07,481 --> 00:44:10,400 What fascinated you most about the story of Mr Smith? 799 00:44:11,527 --> 00:44:14,446 Well, the story of Mr Smith is the story 800 00:44:14,530 --> 00:44:18,492 of a young nobody that gets put into a position of trust 801 00:44:18,575 --> 00:44:20,494 and is an idealist. 802 00:44:20,994 --> 00:44:22,704 And he doesn't like what he finds. 803 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,706 And he doesn't like 804 00:44:25,207 --> 00:44:29,169 this compromise and making do and this rubbing one's back. 805 00:44:29,253 --> 00:44:31,755 And particularly doesn't like graft. 806 00:44:32,422 --> 00:44:35,259 And he doesn't like power. So he began to fight it, 807 00:44:35,342 --> 00:44:37,427 and the machine just steamrolled right over him 808 00:44:37,511 --> 00:44:38,846 and flattened him right out. 809 00:44:40,138 --> 00:44:41,515 And with the aid of a girl 810 00:44:41,598 --> 00:44:44,601 who took an interest in him, he got up on his feet 811 00:44:44,685 --> 00:44:46,687 and fought back and won. 812 00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:49,523 He found it deep within, inside, 813 00:44:49,940 --> 00:44:52,985 he had the moral, the mental 814 00:44:53,861 --> 00:44:56,238 and enough wit and everything else 815 00:44:57,072 --> 00:44:59,700 to win out over his environmental difficulties. 816 00:45:00,409 --> 00:45:02,911 You mean you tell these men and Senator Paine what to do? 817 00:45:02,995 --> 00:45:04,413 Why, yes. 818 00:45:04,496 --> 00:45:07,624 Joe Paine has been taking my advice for the past 20 years. 819 00:45:09,918 --> 00:45:11,503 You're a liar. 820 00:45:16,842 --> 00:45:19,303 Mr Smith Goes to Washington was released 821 00:45:19,386 --> 00:45:21,805 at the same time that Hitler attacked Poland. 822 00:45:26,018 --> 00:45:28,395 It was a time of great crisis, 823 00:45:28,478 --> 00:45:31,690 and Americans really needed to come together 824 00:45:31,773 --> 00:45:33,859 to not only save the country in the Depression, 825 00:45:33,942 --> 00:45:35,944 but later join the Allies 826 00:45:36,028 --> 00:45:38,447 to save the world in World War II. 827 00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:40,741 And those crises came back to back. 828 00:45:41,533 --> 00:45:45,245 How to join together to be part of a worthy cause 829 00:45:45,329 --> 00:45:46,496 that's bigger than yourself, 830 00:45:46,580 --> 00:45:48,415 and at the same time, how to do that 831 00:45:48,498 --> 00:45:50,501 without losing hold of 832 00:45:50,584 --> 00:45:53,337 what's important to you personally? 833 00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:56,590 Americans had to answer these questions 834 00:45:56,673 --> 00:45:58,717 at the moment Capra was making a movie. 835 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,802 They were urgent questions. 836 00:46:00,886 --> 00:46:03,013 They were not theoretical questions. 837 00:46:03,096 --> 00:46:05,599 I mean, even whether they were consciously addressed 838 00:46:05,682 --> 00:46:08,143 or unconsciously addressed by Americans, 839 00:46:08,227 --> 00:46:10,812 they were living with them day to day. 840 00:46:11,563 --> 00:46:13,357 How big is this thing? Where's it going to be? 841 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,983 How many boys will it accommodate? 842 00:46:15,067 --> 00:46:16,818 You've got to have all that in it, you know. 843 00:46:16,902 --> 00:46:19,196 Yeah, and something else, Ms Saunders. 844 00:46:19,279 --> 00:46:22,824 The spirit of it, the idea... 845 00:46:23,909 --> 00:46:24,993 How do you say it? 846 00:46:28,163 --> 00:46:30,415 -That's what's got to be in it. -What? 847 00:46:30,791 --> 00:46:32,292 The Capitol Dome. 848 00:46:32,793 --> 00:46:33,836 On paper? 849 00:46:33,919 --> 00:46:36,797 I want to make that come to life for every boy in this land. 850 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,049 Yes, and I'll light it up like that, too. 851 00:46:40,425 --> 00:46:43,929 You see, boys forget what their country means 852 00:46:44,012 --> 00:46:46,723 by reading "the land of the free" in history books. 853 00:46:46,807 --> 00:46:49,268 When they get to be men, they forget even more. 854 00:46:50,602 --> 00:46:53,981 Liberty is too precious a thing to be buried in books. 855 00:46:54,064 --> 00:46:56,066 Unlike other filmmakers at the time, 856 00:46:56,149 --> 00:46:58,318 people saw in his films 857 00:46:58,402 --> 00:47:00,654 a model of what they hoped their lives would be. 858 00:47:00,737 --> 00:47:03,824 They saw his films as aspirational in some ways. 859 00:47:03,907 --> 00:47:05,868 They saw his films as comments 860 00:47:05,951 --> 00:47:08,161 on what it's like to live in modern America. 861 00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:10,205 Men should hold it up in front of them 862 00:47:10,289 --> 00:47:14,001 every single day of their lives and say, "I'm free". 863 00:47:14,751 --> 00:47:17,212 They see the problems that they're experiencing. 864 00:47:17,296 --> 00:47:19,548 The government wasn't responding to their needs. 865 00:47:19,631 --> 00:47:21,633 The law certainly didn't do that. 866 00:47:21,717 --> 00:47:23,886 Capitalism seemed to have run amok. 867 00:47:23,969 --> 00:47:25,512 It wasn't helping anyone. 868 00:47:25,929 --> 00:47:30,559 Capra was always, always in touch with the audience, 869 00:47:30,934 --> 00:47:34,354 not just in terms of what they wanted in entertainment 870 00:47:34,438 --> 00:47:38,525 but who they were emotionally as Americans. 871 00:47:39,818 --> 00:47:41,486 Were you some kind of a populist, 872 00:47:41,570 --> 00:47:42,988 or was there something in the fact 873 00:47:43,071 --> 00:47:45,199 that you had been a poor kid yourself 874 00:47:45,282 --> 00:47:47,284 and somewhere in the American, 875 00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:49,953 you'd found your way upward? 876 00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:53,081 The kind of pictures I made from It Happened One Night on 877 00:47:53,665 --> 00:47:55,751 were my way of saying, "Thanks, America, 878 00:47:55,834 --> 00:47:59,588 "for giving me the opportunity", because only in America, 879 00:47:59,671 --> 00:48:03,800 it can happen that a son of illiterate parent peasants 880 00:48:04,301 --> 00:48:06,303 could get this kind of an education that I'd had. 881 00:48:06,386 --> 00:48:09,890 And then be allowed to use whatever talents he had. 882 00:48:10,682 --> 00:48:12,309 You can't quit now. 883 00:48:12,392 --> 00:48:16,480 Not you. They aren't all Taylors and Paines in Washington. 884 00:48:16,563 --> 00:48:19,066 That kind just throw big shadows, that's all. 885 00:48:20,108 --> 00:48:22,444 You didn't just have faith in Paine 886 00:48:22,528 --> 00:48:23,904 or any other living man. 887 00:48:23,987 --> 00:48:26,156 You had faith in something bigger than that. 888 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:30,202 You had plain, decent, everyday common rightness, 889 00:48:30,285 --> 00:48:32,621 and this country could use some of that. 890 00:48:37,292 --> 00:48:39,253 He had a love for people. 891 00:48:39,336 --> 00:48:42,714 You see it in the faces of Capra's people. 892 00:48:42,798 --> 00:48:44,258 If you look at a Capra movie, 893 00:48:44,341 --> 00:48:48,679 it is cast down to the smallest part. 894 00:48:48,762 --> 00:48:53,058 The faces speak so clearly of character. 895 00:48:53,141 --> 00:48:55,310 It was very important to me who played the smaller parts. 896 00:48:55,394 --> 00:48:57,604 I treated all the small parts as star parts. 897 00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:59,857 I use people. I love people. 898 00:49:00,774 --> 00:49:04,403 Capra's films have an expansiveness to them. 899 00:49:04,486 --> 00:49:07,072 They seem to speak to the desires of many people 900 00:49:07,155 --> 00:49:11,451 in the audience, but they also have incredible limits, too. 901 00:49:11,535 --> 00:49:12,619 And we can see that 902 00:49:12,703 --> 00:49:15,747 in the overarching whiteness of his films 903 00:49:15,831 --> 00:49:18,417 and his unwillingness to talk 904 00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:21,170 about anything other than whiteness 905 00:49:21,253 --> 00:49:22,504 for the most part. 906 00:49:23,172 --> 00:49:25,924 The expansiveness, the broadness of Capra's films, 907 00:49:26,008 --> 00:49:27,301 we always have to keep in mind 908 00:49:27,384 --> 00:49:29,178 that there are those limits, too, 909 00:49:29,261 --> 00:49:32,389 that certainly weren't unique to him, 910 00:49:32,472 --> 00:49:35,350 but that perhaps he could have done a much better job at. 911 00:49:35,893 --> 00:49:37,394 This John Doe meeting's gonna be 912 00:49:37,477 --> 00:49:39,021 {\an8}one of the biggest things that ever happened. 913 00:49:39,104 --> 00:49:40,397 {\an8}And why they're coming from all over. 914 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,441 {\an8}Trains, boxcars, wagons. 915 00:50:10,135 --> 00:50:13,263 Frank Capra movies will frequently show 916 00:50:13,347 --> 00:50:16,308 people being kind and wonderful 917 00:50:16,391 --> 00:50:19,520 and even noble on an individual basis. 918 00:50:19,603 --> 00:50:24,274 But large groups of people are frequently sinister 919 00:50:24,358 --> 00:50:25,567 by contrast. 920 00:50:34,743 --> 00:50:37,037 One of your critics has argued 921 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,206 that implicit in all of your films 922 00:50:39,289 --> 00:50:42,251 is a distrust of the majority. 923 00:50:42,334 --> 00:50:44,253 I'm not against a crowd of individuals. 924 00:50:44,336 --> 00:50:45,671 I'm against the mass. 925 00:50:45,796 --> 00:50:49,591 {\an8}I'm against the mass conforming. 926 00:50:49,675 --> 00:50:51,927 {\an8}I'm not against a crowd of individuals. 927 00:50:54,972 --> 00:50:57,891 And I think that the majority does tend to be the herd. 928 00:50:57,975 --> 00:51:01,061 {\an8}They can be conformed and channelised 929 00:51:01,144 --> 00:51:03,063 {\an8}and allow themselves to be channelised. 930 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,483 And it's only those guys that stick their heads up, say, 931 00:51:06,567 --> 00:51:09,236 "I don't want to go this way. I want to go this way". 932 00:51:10,737 --> 00:51:12,865 And that I'm interested in, 933 00:51:12,948 --> 00:51:14,783 and I think the world is interested in 934 00:51:14,867 --> 00:51:18,287 and I think that the humanity is interested in. 935 00:51:19,454 --> 00:51:23,125 I think this reflects Frank Capra's 936 00:51:23,208 --> 00:51:26,670 peculiar, if not political outlook, 937 00:51:26,753 --> 00:51:29,882 than his kind of intellectual outlook. 938 00:51:29,965 --> 00:51:35,220 He, you know, loved humanity on a one-by-one basis. 939 00:51:35,304 --> 00:51:38,724 Not so much in vast numbers. 940 00:51:39,433 --> 00:51:42,144 Heroes in the film are very individualistic 941 00:51:42,227 --> 00:51:43,562 and very self-sufficient, 942 00:51:43,645 --> 00:51:46,690 and that was his experience in life. 943 00:51:46,899 --> 00:51:49,651 He was an immigrant, he was an outsider 944 00:51:49,735 --> 00:51:53,572 and I think he's therefore very inherently sympathetic 945 00:51:53,655 --> 00:51:56,033 with the individual versus the system. 946 00:51:59,411 --> 00:52:00,913 The political dimensions of the films 947 00:52:00,996 --> 00:52:02,331 are kind of all over the place. 948 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,126 Robert Riskin, who wrote so many of those first great films 949 00:52:06,210 --> 00:52:09,463 was very much an FDR Democrat at this time. 950 00:52:09,546 --> 00:52:11,048 Capra was a Republican. 951 00:52:11,131 --> 00:52:12,257 But he was a Republican 952 00:52:12,341 --> 00:52:14,927 at a time when there was a progressive wing of that party 953 00:52:15,010 --> 00:52:16,845 that was marked by a sort of critique 954 00:52:16,929 --> 00:52:19,097 of the excess of capitalism. 955 00:52:19,181 --> 00:52:21,433 So that made it possible for him to make films 956 00:52:21,517 --> 00:52:24,311 with New Deal Democrats. 957 00:52:24,394 --> 00:52:27,731 And together they could kind of produce an America 958 00:52:27,814 --> 00:52:31,568 that seemed both apolitical and political at the same time. 959 00:52:31,652 --> 00:52:34,571 Both left and right, I suppose, 960 00:52:34,655 --> 00:52:38,116 can all see some value in standing up for the individual, 961 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,871 being oppressed by society and fighting corruption. 962 00:52:42,996 --> 00:52:44,540 -Order, gentlemen. -Mr President! 963 00:52:44,623 --> 00:52:46,583 I stand guilty as framed, 964 00:52:46,667 --> 00:52:48,627 because Section 40 is graft. 965 00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:51,296 And I was ready to say so. I was ready to tell you 966 00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:53,924 that a certain man in my state, a Mr James Taylor, 967 00:52:54,007 --> 00:52:56,343 wanted to put through this dam for his own profit. 968 00:52:56,426 --> 00:52:59,346 A man who controls a political machine 969 00:52:59,429 --> 00:53:02,224 and controls everything else worth controlling in my state. 970 00:53:02,307 --> 00:53:05,018 Yes, a man even powerful enough to control Congressmen. 971 00:53:05,102 --> 00:53:06,603 And I saw three of them in his room 972 00:53:06,687 --> 00:53:08,021 the day I went up to see him. 973 00:53:08,105 --> 00:53:10,274 -Will the Senator yield? -No, sir, I will not yield! 974 00:53:11,817 --> 00:53:15,112 My films were more to uplift 975 00:53:15,195 --> 00:53:17,739 the people from their everyday miseries, 976 00:53:17,823 --> 00:53:20,242 than to sort of change things. 977 00:53:20,325 --> 00:53:22,494 I was aiming at 978 00:53:25,539 --> 00:53:27,624 the general folds of humanity, 979 00:53:27,708 --> 00:53:32,796 and sort of trying to glorify the compassionate, 980 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,425 the forgiving, the merciful, and so forth. 981 00:53:42,097 --> 00:53:44,183 The interesting thing about 982 00:53:44,266 --> 00:53:47,603 a man like Frank Capra, with his success... 983 00:53:47,686 --> 00:53:51,440 Everybody's always going to define him. 984 00:53:51,523 --> 00:53:53,066 He hated that. 985 00:53:54,318 --> 00:53:56,570 I was a Capra fan, 986 00:53:56,653 --> 00:53:58,488 a great admirer of his films. 987 00:53:58,572 --> 00:53:59,823 So, I called up Capra 988 00:53:59,907 --> 00:54:01,617 and I said, "I'd like to interview you". 989 00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:04,870 Went down to Palm Springs. He lived in La Quinta nearby. 990 00:54:05,746 --> 00:54:08,332 And I went to his home. 991 00:54:08,415 --> 00:54:11,210 He had a sprawling white ranch house 992 00:54:11,293 --> 00:54:13,003 with a gigantic American flag. 993 00:54:13,086 --> 00:54:15,506 And we were talking and he was giving me 994 00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:17,716 his whole Frank Capra rap about 995 00:54:17,799 --> 00:54:19,635 the little guy against the system. 996 00:54:19,718 --> 00:54:22,554 He was telling me how he hated bankers and rich people. 997 00:54:22,638 --> 00:54:24,389 And then, a man came to the table. 998 00:54:24,473 --> 00:54:27,392 He had this envelope full of pictures of Capra 999 00:54:27,476 --> 00:54:29,978 playing golf with President Gerald Ford. 1000 00:54:30,062 --> 00:54:31,688 And he spread them on the table, 1001 00:54:31,772 --> 00:54:34,274 and Capra said, "Oh, God. Look at Gerry Ford. 1002 00:54:34,358 --> 00:54:36,109 "He's such a great guy." 1003 00:54:37,027 --> 00:54:39,279 There was a picture in particular that struck me, 1004 00:54:39,363 --> 00:54:40,697 that Capra was putting, 1005 00:54:40,781 --> 00:54:42,866 and Gerald Ford was holding the pin for him, 1006 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:45,619 and I thought this was amazing. What a symbolic picture, 1007 00:54:45,702 --> 00:54:48,705 the immigrant with the president holding the pen for you. 1008 00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:51,959 That's kind of the ultimate American dream. 1009 00:54:52,042 --> 00:54:54,795 The guy said, "I'll make copies of the pictures for you", 1010 00:54:54,878 --> 00:54:56,255 and Capra said, "Thank you very much", 1011 00:54:56,338 --> 00:54:58,882 And then, he turned to me and he said, "Where was I? 1012 00:54:58,966 --> 00:55:02,511 "Oh, yeah, I was telling you how I hate bankers and rich people." 1013 00:55:02,594 --> 00:55:06,390 And he launched back into his rap without a pause, 1014 00:55:06,473 --> 00:55:09,268 and I thought, "This guy is not what he seems to be". 1015 00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:17,150 People, for a long time, 1016 00:55:17,234 --> 00:55:20,779 assumed that the movies that they had seen, 1017 00:55:20,863 --> 00:55:24,908 which were ultimately loving about America, 1018 00:55:24,992 --> 00:55:29,955 embraced a certain type of liberal politics. 1019 00:55:30,038 --> 00:55:34,251 And then, people started to look more closely at him, 1020 00:55:34,334 --> 00:55:39,548 and they discovered that there was another side to Frank Capra. 1021 00:55:39,631 --> 00:55:43,385 There was a side that thought people should be out there, 1022 00:55:43,468 --> 00:55:47,598 pulling themselves up by their bootstraps like he did. 1023 00:55:47,681 --> 00:55:51,268 So, he was a complex person, 1024 00:55:51,351 --> 00:55:53,687 and I think, at some point, 1025 00:55:53,770 --> 00:55:58,066 people started seeing that as a flaw, 1026 00:55:58,150 --> 00:56:01,028 that this the kind of rock-ribbed conservative 1027 00:56:01,111 --> 00:56:06,116 was existing alongside the movies that they had loved. 1028 00:56:08,702 --> 00:56:10,329 Penny, 1029 00:56:10,412 --> 00:56:13,790 why don't you write a play about ism-mania. 1030 00:56:13,874 --> 00:56:16,585 -Ism-mania. -Yeah, sure. 1031 00:56:16,668 --> 00:56:21,340 {\an8}You know, communism, fascism, voodooism. 1032 00:56:21,924 --> 00:56:24,468 Everybody's got an ism these says. 1033 00:56:25,427 --> 00:56:28,388 I thought it was an itch or something. 1034 00:56:28,472 --> 00:56:30,182 Well, it's just as catching. 1035 00:56:30,265 --> 00:56:32,392 When things go a little bad nowadays, 1036 00:56:32,476 --> 00:56:34,686 you go out and get yourself an ism, 1037 00:56:34,770 --> 00:56:36,688 and you're in business. 1038 00:56:36,772 --> 00:56:38,357 I've got it. It might help Cynthia 1039 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,484 to have an ism in the monastery. 1040 00:56:42,152 --> 00:56:43,737 And why is that? 1041 00:56:44,488 --> 00:56:48,492 For the best-directed picture of the year, 1042 00:56:48,575 --> 00:56:50,327 You Can't Take It with You, 1043 00:56:50,410 --> 00:56:55,123 on behalf of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences 1044 00:56:55,207 --> 00:56:59,294 we present to you, Frank Capra, this award. 1045 00:56:59,378 --> 00:57:03,674 As you know, this is the third time you have won 1046 00:57:03,757 --> 00:57:06,009 this highest of our awards, 1047 00:57:06,093 --> 00:57:08,262 and in all sincerity from my heart, 1048 00:57:08,345 --> 00:57:09,805 I thank you. 1049 00:57:09,888 --> 00:57:11,890 Thank you very much, Mr Niblo. 1050 00:57:11,974 --> 00:57:14,059 I'm very happy to have this again. 1051 00:57:14,142 --> 00:57:15,310 Thank you. 1052 00:57:16,562 --> 00:57:19,523 He, quite conceivably, by 1935 or so, 1053 00:57:19,606 --> 00:57:21,650 was the most famous filmmaker in the world, 1054 00:57:21,733 --> 00:57:23,652 or certainly, one of two or three. 1055 00:57:23,735 --> 00:57:28,198 Frank Capra really turned this aspect of self-promotion 1056 00:57:28,282 --> 00:57:29,533 into something of an art, 1057 00:57:29,616 --> 00:57:34,580 and he used that as a tool 1058 00:57:34,663 --> 00:57:40,544 to create, horrid word, a "brand", if you will. 1059 00:57:40,627 --> 00:57:44,339 In the late 1930s, he's on the cover of Time magazine, 1060 00:57:44,423 --> 00:57:46,466 and I think he's the first director 1061 00:57:46,550 --> 00:57:48,010 on the cover of Time. 1062 00:57:48,093 --> 00:57:50,220 And the tagline for that cover is, 1063 00:57:50,304 --> 00:57:53,098 "His stories can't top his story". 1064 00:57:53,182 --> 00:57:55,017 And inside, they told the story 1065 00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:57,060 of a little boy who comes from Palermo, 1066 00:57:57,144 --> 00:57:59,605 who has a terrible life, makes it big. 1067 00:57:59,688 --> 00:58:03,025 So, I think his life, as it was understood in the press, 1068 00:58:03,108 --> 00:58:05,152 by the people who went to see his films, 1069 00:58:05,235 --> 00:58:07,738 was really an important part of why his films 1070 00:58:07,821 --> 00:58:10,365 were so appealing to so many at that time. 1071 00:58:10,449 --> 00:58:14,119 They saw in him a person who they could relate to, 1072 00:58:14,203 --> 00:58:17,706 understand, and who they felt understood things 1073 00:58:17,789 --> 00:58:19,041 the way that they did. 1074 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,047 Hollywood reaches far, carrying its cargo of dreams 1075 00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:27,508 to almost every city and village in America. 1076 00:58:27,591 --> 00:58:29,468 It seemed to me, there was some kind... 1077 00:58:29,551 --> 00:58:30,886 Film offered some kind 1078 00:58:30,969 --> 00:58:33,472 of a social cement, if you will, for people. 1079 00:58:33,555 --> 00:58:35,682 Yes, I think films offered hope. 1080 00:58:37,684 --> 00:58:38,977 And they go out of theatres 1081 00:58:39,061 --> 00:58:40,562 feeling much better than they went in. 1082 00:58:41,438 --> 00:58:42,731 They were lifted. 1083 00:58:44,274 --> 00:58:48,904 Movie-going in the Depression and through World War II 1084 00:58:48,987 --> 00:58:51,615 was different than the way it is now. 1085 00:58:51,698 --> 00:58:57,204 Then, everyone saw virtually the same movies, 1086 00:58:57,287 --> 00:59:01,124 and that creates the sense of movies being a myth, 1087 00:59:01,208 --> 00:59:03,377 that we can all 1088 00:59:03,460 --> 00:59:07,214 have the same frame of reference in our minds, 1089 00:59:07,297 --> 00:59:10,717 we've all been through the same thing together, 1090 00:59:10,801 --> 00:59:15,138 not just as citizens of a country, but as filmgoers. 1091 00:59:15,222 --> 00:59:18,892 That alone gives filmmakers in Capra's generation 1092 00:59:18,976 --> 00:59:22,688 more power than you can imagine a filmmaker having today. 1093 00:59:22,771 --> 00:59:24,648 I mean, you have to think of Capra, 1094 00:59:24,731 --> 00:59:28,151 in a way, as another FDR in that sense. 1095 00:59:28,819 --> 00:59:32,155 That is going to create a lot of suspicion 1096 00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:35,659 as soon as people begin to interrogate 1097 00:59:35,742 --> 00:59:37,995 what it's like for someone in the media 1098 00:59:38,078 --> 00:59:39,788 to have that much power. 1099 00:59:39,872 --> 00:59:41,957 And Capra knew he had that power, 1100 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,042 and so, too, did the American government 1101 00:59:44,126 --> 00:59:45,169 when they brought Capra in 1102 00:59:45,252 --> 00:59:47,629 to make what would become the Why We Fight series. 1103 00:59:58,098 --> 01:00:02,060 {\an8}Causes and events leading up to our entry into the war. 1104 01:00:02,978 --> 01:00:04,938 Well, what are the causes? 1105 01:00:05,731 --> 01:00:08,442 Why are we, Americans on the march? 1106 01:00:09,776 --> 01:00:10,944 Is it because of... 1107 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,618 Pearl Harbor? 1108 01:00:20,579 --> 01:00:22,289 Is that why we are fighting? 1109 01:00:22,998 --> 01:00:24,791 Or is it because of... 1110 01:00:25,751 --> 01:00:27,085 Britain? 1111 01:00:34,259 --> 01:00:36,553 Who was the genius behind all this? 1112 01:00:36,637 --> 01:00:39,890 Who made the films that moved presidents, prime ministers 1113 01:00:39,973 --> 01:00:43,393 and millions of citizens and soldiers around the world? 1114 01:00:43,477 --> 01:00:45,103 To answer the Nazis, 1115 01:00:45,187 --> 01:00:48,857 the American government turned to Hollywood, California, 1116 01:00:48,941 --> 01:00:51,443 and to a cocky little immigrant from Sicily 1117 01:00:51,527 --> 01:00:52,736 named Frank Capra. 1118 01:00:52,819 --> 01:00:54,821 The United States of America, 1119 01:00:54,905 --> 01:00:57,991 when the war broke out, found itself the only country 1120 01:00:58,075 --> 01:01:00,494 that didn't have a big propaganda machine. 1121 01:01:00,577 --> 01:01:03,497 So, we had to get organised and get propaganda. 1122 01:01:03,580 --> 01:01:07,000 As soon as the war starts, Capra wants to join up. 1123 01:01:07,084 --> 01:01:08,794 He wants to get involved. 1124 01:01:08,877 --> 01:01:10,295 He wants to make films. 1125 01:01:10,963 --> 01:01:14,007 American soldiers mobilised for war, 1126 01:01:14,091 --> 01:01:16,635 and with them, Major Frank Capra. 1127 01:01:16,718 --> 01:01:18,053 Forty-five years old, 1128 01:01:18,136 --> 01:01:21,098 salary, $250 a month. 1129 01:01:21,807 --> 01:01:24,268 Capra reports directly to Chief of Staff, 1130 01:01:24,351 --> 01:01:26,019 General George C. Marshall. 1131 01:01:26,103 --> 01:01:28,981 When you first called on General Marshall at the Pentagon, 1132 01:01:29,064 --> 01:01:31,400 what did he tell you he wanted you to do? 1133 01:01:31,483 --> 01:01:33,694 He called me in, and then, 1134 01:01:33,777 --> 01:01:38,532 he said, "We have an enormous problem". 1135 01:01:38,615 --> 01:01:42,077 He said, "We know that if you shoot an American, 1136 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:43,328 "he'll shoot back". 1137 01:01:43,412 --> 01:01:46,498 But can he take this being away from home? 1138 01:01:46,582 --> 01:01:48,458 Can he take this discipline? 1139 01:01:48,542 --> 01:01:49,668 And his answer? 1140 01:01:49,751 --> 01:01:51,920 "In my opinion, 1141 01:01:52,004 --> 01:01:56,049 "he can if we tell him what he's fighting about." 1142 01:01:56,133 --> 01:01:58,385 So, General Marshall was asking you in effect 1143 01:01:58,468 --> 01:02:00,679 to give the boys a reason to fight. 1144 01:02:00,762 --> 01:02:04,766 Give the boys a reason to fight and don't lie. 1145 01:02:04,850 --> 01:02:07,436 But your films were comedies in Hollywood. 1146 01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:10,564 He wanted somebody to reach the people. 1147 01:02:10,647 --> 01:02:12,482 Was able to reach the people, 1148 01:02:12,566 --> 01:02:15,277 and I had been able to reach the people in my films, 1149 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,988 and make them laugh and cry, make them like things. 1150 01:02:18,071 --> 01:02:21,033 Here, I got the greatest heroes, the greatest villains 1151 01:02:21,116 --> 01:02:23,118 on the world stage. 1152 01:02:24,453 --> 01:02:26,872 Real. Not actors. Real. 1153 01:02:37,591 --> 01:02:41,136 In Italy, they had a shorter word. "Fascism." 1154 01:02:43,055 --> 01:02:45,974 In Japan, they had lots of names for it. 1155 01:02:46,058 --> 01:02:48,227 A new era of enlightenment. 1156 01:02:48,310 --> 01:02:51,146 Capra says he's starting the war in Hollywood. 1157 01:02:51,230 --> 01:02:53,398 The Why We Fight films are just extraordinary. 1158 01:02:53,482 --> 01:02:56,944 They're films that involve collage, animation, 1159 01:02:57,027 --> 01:03:01,615 multiple voices telling the stories, found footage. 1160 01:03:01,698 --> 01:03:05,118 They almost seem like avant-garde films to us now. 1161 01:03:05,911 --> 01:03:08,664 They say trouble always comes in threes. 1162 01:03:09,623 --> 01:03:12,376 Take a good close look at this trio. 1163 01:03:12,459 --> 01:03:14,628 Remember these faces. 1164 01:03:16,213 --> 01:03:17,589 Remember them well. 1165 01:03:18,257 --> 01:03:20,634 If you ever meet them, don't hesitate. 1166 01:03:21,552 --> 01:03:24,221 The films are simplistic in some ways. 1167 01:03:24,304 --> 01:03:26,598 The way they develop ideas of good and bad. 1168 01:03:26,682 --> 01:03:30,894 But they're also sophisticated, not just aesthetically, 1169 01:03:30,978 --> 01:03:33,021 but in how they have to talk about 1170 01:03:33,105 --> 01:03:34,982 the realities of the world. 1171 01:03:35,065 --> 01:03:38,360 Here was the Italy that Mussolini took over in 1922. 1172 01:03:38,443 --> 01:03:41,154 And almost his first act was to tell the Italians 1173 01:03:41,238 --> 01:03:43,615 they were the rightful owners of Corsica, 1174 01:03:44,241 --> 01:03:46,827 Nice, Savoie, 1175 01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:49,955 Albania, Tunisia, 1176 01:03:50,038 --> 01:03:54,042 Ethiopia, and a land corridor linking it with Libya. 1177 01:03:54,126 --> 01:03:56,670 He's making myths about the war in these war films. 1178 01:03:56,753 --> 01:03:58,297 There's no question about that. 1179 01:03:58,380 --> 01:04:02,092 And he creates a history that goes back to Buddha, 1180 01:04:02,176 --> 01:04:04,595 Muhammad, which is extraordinary to think about, 1181 01:04:04,678 --> 01:04:06,555 Christ, Jefferson. 1182 01:04:06,638 --> 01:04:07,639 Moses. 1183 01:04:10,726 --> 01:04:12,227 Muhammad. 1184 01:04:14,146 --> 01:04:15,147 Confucius. 1185 01:04:19,943 --> 01:04:20,986 Christ. 1186 01:04:24,406 --> 01:04:26,617 All believe that in the sight of God, 1187 01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:28,785 all men were created equal. 1188 01:04:28,869 --> 01:04:32,456 And from that, there developed a spirit among men and nations 1189 01:04:32,539 --> 01:04:35,584 which is best expressed in our own Declaration of Freedom. 1190 01:04:35,667 --> 01:04:38,837 {\an8}So, he creates a kind of global myth 1191 01:04:38,921 --> 01:04:42,716 {\an8}that is, we ourselves come from a world history 1192 01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:46,512 {\an8}that leads to a particular form of democracy 1193 01:04:46,595 --> 01:04:47,971 {\an8}that now is at risk. 1194 01:04:48,055 --> 01:04:50,933 {\an8}It's certainly true that his films before that 1195 01:04:51,016 --> 01:04:54,520 {\an8}had engaged in a kind of mythic practice. 1196 01:04:54,603 --> 01:04:57,439 {\an8}That government of the people, 1197 01:04:57,523 --> 01:05:01,360 {\an8}by the people, for the people 1198 01:05:01,443 --> 01:05:03,820 {\an8}shall not perish from the Earth. 1199 01:05:17,709 --> 01:05:19,711 Not until we showed him some of the stuff 1200 01:05:19,795 --> 01:05:22,714 that we got at Dachau, that George Stevens photographed, 1201 01:05:22,798 --> 01:05:27,302 did it actually impinge itself on the mind, 1202 01:05:27,386 --> 01:05:30,222 the horror of this whole thing. 1203 01:05:31,807 --> 01:05:35,394 It left me just speechless, 1204 01:05:36,562 --> 01:05:38,981 colourless, bloodless. 1205 01:05:40,858 --> 01:05:44,403 I couldn't possibly believe that there was 1206 01:05:44,486 --> 01:05:48,156 that kind of a savagery in the world, you see? 1207 01:05:49,241 --> 01:05:50,325 Between men. 1208 01:05:51,577 --> 01:05:55,122 Men, the highest of all the animals. 1209 01:05:55,205 --> 01:05:59,168 Man... It's man who created God 1210 01:05:59,251 --> 01:06:01,587 and man who created all kinds of things. 1211 01:06:02,337 --> 01:06:07,009 {\an8}To end up here in a pile of bones, burned. 1212 01:06:07,092 --> 01:06:10,095 {\an8}So, that was a terrible shock. 1213 01:06:14,391 --> 01:06:16,810 The question of the goodness of people, 1214 01:06:16,894 --> 01:06:19,897 the question of, "What is humanity? 1215 01:06:19,980 --> 01:06:24,610 "What can we hold on to and believe in?" was a challenge 1216 01:06:24,693 --> 01:06:28,614 after he did the job he did in World War II. 1217 01:06:28,697 --> 01:06:32,534 He handled a great many atrocity photos. 1218 01:06:32,618 --> 01:06:36,121 The atrocity photos were part of what he was doing, 1219 01:06:36,205 --> 01:06:38,415 and he saw them, he had to look at them, 1220 01:06:38,498 --> 01:06:42,044 handle them every day, and it upset him, 1221 01:06:42,127 --> 01:06:46,757 it changed him, and it damaged his faith in human beings. 1222 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,052 I think, in fact, he was one of those veterans, 1223 01:06:50,135 --> 01:06:52,429 even though he didn't see battle, 1224 01:06:52,513 --> 01:06:54,556 who came back and perhaps 1225 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:58,060 had a great deal of trouble adjusting. 1226 01:06:58,143 --> 01:07:02,189 I was away almost six years from camera. 1227 01:07:02,272 --> 01:07:06,360 We came back to Hollywood and we didn't know anybody. 1228 01:07:08,570 --> 01:07:11,281 People introduced me to somebody and they'd say, 1229 01:07:11,365 --> 01:07:12,741 "Frank who?" 1230 01:07:12,824 --> 01:07:16,036 Capra comes back after the war, ready to make films. 1231 01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:17,955 He certainly wants to work. 1232 01:07:18,038 --> 01:07:20,541 He understands that the future of film production 1233 01:07:20,624 --> 01:07:23,710 might not be at the studios but might be more independent. 1234 01:07:24,503 --> 01:07:27,798 These were the three absolute titans, 1235 01:07:27,881 --> 01:07:31,093 titans of mid-century cinema, 1236 01:07:31,176 --> 01:07:35,013 George Stevens, William Wyler and Frank Capra, 1237 01:07:35,097 --> 01:07:37,683 to form "Liberty Films". 1238 01:07:37,766 --> 01:07:41,436 That name is not chosen by accident. 1239 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,105 That's what they thought they had 1240 01:07:43,188 --> 01:07:46,275 was their liberty, and they had chafed under the studio system. 1241 01:07:46,358 --> 01:07:49,361 It's a very big deal, and there are tonnes of articles about it 1242 01:07:49,444 --> 01:07:52,489 in Time magazine, and Newsweek, and all the newspapers. 1243 01:07:52,573 --> 01:07:55,117 But, of course, Capra was the only one who was able 1244 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,578 to make films for Liberty, the production company. 1245 01:07:57,661 --> 01:08:00,289 Wyler and Stevens were both committed to other studios, 1246 01:08:00,372 --> 01:08:03,542 and couldn't make any films for the company they had formed. 1247 01:08:03,625 --> 01:08:05,961 This is a brilliant move. 1248 01:08:06,044 --> 01:08:09,047 This is a really smart business move. 1249 01:08:09,131 --> 01:08:10,716 Three of the biggest 1250 01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:14,761 and best directors of America get together. 1251 01:08:14,845 --> 01:08:17,890 They're going to make some movies they want to make 1252 01:08:17,973 --> 01:08:20,100 the way they want to make them, 1253 01:08:20,184 --> 01:08:22,310 and distribute them through Paramount. 1254 01:08:23,103 --> 01:08:24,604 What could go wrong? 1255 01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,317 What could go wrong? Everything, obviously. 1256 01:08:35,323 --> 01:08:38,785 Why is It's a Wonderful Life your favourite film? 1257 01:08:38,868 --> 01:08:40,953 I keep reading that. 1258 01:08:41,037 --> 01:08:43,122 Why do you like that the best? 1259 01:08:43,207 --> 01:08:45,292 Because I think it expresses 1260 01:08:45,375 --> 01:08:47,586 what I've been trying to say in the other films 1261 01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:49,671 better than the other films. 1262 01:08:50,255 --> 01:08:51,965 I don't know how many of you here 1263 01:08:52,049 --> 01:08:54,593 have seen It's a Wonderful Life. 1264 01:08:54,676 --> 01:08:56,511 How many of you have seen it? 1265 01:09:01,475 --> 01:09:02,850 Thank you very much. 1266 01:09:02,935 --> 01:09:05,895 But it is one of those films that... 1267 01:09:07,523 --> 01:09:09,774 I break down every time I see it, 1268 01:09:09,858 --> 01:09:11,484 and I made the goddamn thing. 1269 01:09:12,528 --> 01:09:15,363 It's just one of those things that 1270 01:09:15,447 --> 01:09:19,868 that gets you inside, and shows you what you can be, 1271 01:09:19,952 --> 01:09:22,203 what we can do, 1272 01:09:23,037 --> 01:09:24,915 and how precious life is, 1273 01:09:26,166 --> 01:09:28,292 and how wonderful life is. 1274 01:09:30,837 --> 01:09:32,840 {\an8}Hello, Bedford Falls! 1275 01:09:35,716 --> 01:09:37,469 Merry Christmas! 1276 01:09:37,553 --> 01:09:39,345 -Merry Christmas! -Merry Christmas! 1277 01:09:39,429 --> 01:09:41,055 Merry Christmas, George! 1278 01:09:41,139 --> 01:09:44,100 Merry Christmas, movie house! 1279 01:09:44,184 --> 01:09:46,687 {\an8}Merry Christmas, Emporium! 1280 01:09:47,770 --> 01:09:51,441 {\an8}Merry Christmas, you wonderful old Building & Loan! 1281 01:09:57,072 --> 01:09:59,408 Merry Christmas, Mr Potter! 1282 01:09:59,491 --> 01:10:02,035 Happy New Year to you, in jail! 1283 01:10:02,119 --> 01:10:04,329 Go on home. They're waiting for you. 1284 01:10:04,413 --> 01:10:06,081 When people talk about Capra's films, 1285 01:10:06,164 --> 01:10:08,584 they always remember the optimistic side, 1286 01:10:08,667 --> 01:10:12,296 the happy endings, the guy getting the girl, 1287 01:10:12,379 --> 01:10:13,463 that kind of thing. 1288 01:10:13,547 --> 01:10:17,551 But they forget, or tend not to think about, the darker side. 1289 01:10:17,634 --> 01:10:21,471 The comedy is born from pain and anguish. 1290 01:10:21,555 --> 01:10:22,931 That's where it comes from. 1291 01:10:23,015 --> 01:10:25,475 And I think that's one of the strongest qualities 1292 01:10:25,559 --> 01:10:27,019 of It's a Wonderful Life. 1293 01:10:27,102 --> 01:10:30,731 A lot of his films, below the surface of the films, 1294 01:10:30,814 --> 01:10:33,317 have anger, resentment and violence, 1295 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,361 and we see this, too, in Mr Smith goes to Washington, 1296 01:10:36,445 --> 01:10:37,905 when he beats up the reporters 1297 01:10:37,988 --> 01:10:40,324 who have written these terrible things about him. 1298 01:10:40,407 --> 01:10:43,035 There's always an undertone of violence. 1299 01:10:43,118 --> 01:10:46,205 There's always an undertone that things might get out of control. 1300 01:10:46,288 --> 01:10:49,666 There's an undertone that things can be scary really fast. 1301 01:10:51,084 --> 01:10:52,127 Get over there. 1302 01:10:53,545 --> 01:10:55,464 See how you're gonna like it this time. 1303 01:10:55,547 --> 01:10:57,049 See what good your money will do 1304 01:10:57,132 --> 01:10:59,635 when you're six feet under. Never thought of that, did you? 1305 01:10:59,718 --> 01:11:02,513 No. All you ever thought of was pinching pennies, 1306 01:11:02,596 --> 01:11:03,847 you money-grabbing hick! 1307 01:11:03,931 --> 01:11:06,975 Virtually every character is driven to madness 1308 01:11:07,059 --> 01:11:09,478 or every main character is driven to madness, 1309 01:11:09,561 --> 01:11:11,313 or to the brink of suicide. 1310 01:11:11,396 --> 01:11:14,983 And there's real rage there in those moments. 1311 01:11:16,860 --> 01:11:19,279 I love the roller-coaster feeling 1312 01:11:19,363 --> 01:11:20,656 of his films, emotionally. 1313 01:11:20,739 --> 01:11:22,741 The highs and the lows. One critic said 1314 01:11:22,824 --> 01:11:24,701 it's like the feeling of life being lived. 1315 01:11:24,785 --> 01:11:26,745 Every day, there's a mixture of comedy and drama, 1316 01:11:26,828 --> 01:11:28,497 and highs and lows. 1317 01:11:31,416 --> 01:11:32,918 -Let go! -What's the matter with you? 1318 01:11:33,001 --> 01:11:35,420 I'm not fit to be a Senator! I'm not fit to live! 1319 01:11:35,879 --> 01:11:37,297 Expel me! 1320 01:11:37,381 --> 01:11:39,216 With a film like It's a Wonderful Life, 1321 01:11:39,299 --> 01:11:41,969 you wonder how much of Capra's own experience 1322 01:11:42,052 --> 01:11:45,138 is in the bitterness we see in George, 1323 01:11:45,222 --> 01:11:47,182 the depression we see in George, 1324 01:11:47,266 --> 01:11:50,227 the general tiredness that we see in George. 1325 01:11:55,983 --> 01:12:00,153 There's the pharmacist who beats up the young boy. 1326 01:12:00,237 --> 01:12:02,781 There are the people who try to destroy the bank. 1327 01:12:02,865 --> 01:12:06,076 There are all kinds of scary things going on in that film 1328 01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:07,703 that kind of strike us as... 1329 01:12:07,786 --> 01:12:10,539 That's not what we think of as going on in a Capra film. 1330 01:12:15,252 --> 01:12:18,881 There is a lot of suicide in Capra, 1331 01:12:18,964 --> 01:12:23,135 or near-suicide, attempted suicide, planned suicide, 1332 01:12:23,218 --> 01:12:26,138 more than you might think at first. 1333 01:12:26,221 --> 01:12:29,725 So, that particular theme in It's a Wonderful Life 1334 01:12:29,808 --> 01:12:32,728 is perhaps not surprising. 1335 01:12:32,811 --> 01:12:37,858 But Capra said later that what appealed to him about this theme 1336 01:12:37,941 --> 01:12:41,278 was that it was saying to people, 1337 01:12:41,361 --> 01:12:44,239 "No, you are not a failure". 1338 01:12:53,540 --> 01:12:54,708 Help! 1339 01:12:55,918 --> 01:12:58,754 Help! Help! 1340 01:12:58,837 --> 01:13:03,592 So, here is Capra, the grand success, 1341 01:13:03,675 --> 01:13:07,471 kind of reaching back toward Americans 1342 01:13:07,554 --> 01:13:12,768 who maybe hadn't done so hot in the past 15 or 20 years, 1343 01:13:12,851 --> 01:13:17,272 and telling them, "You're still in this country. 1344 01:13:17,356 --> 01:13:18,607 "I'm going to show you 1345 01:13:18,690 --> 01:13:21,401 "the things that are still wonderful about this country 1346 01:13:21,485 --> 01:13:23,862 "and about your life here." 1347 01:13:23,946 --> 01:13:29,284 I sincerely believe that is what Capra was after with this film. 1348 01:13:30,369 --> 01:13:34,289 We tend to mythologise the film as something of a bomb. 1349 01:13:34,373 --> 01:13:35,666 It certainly wasn't. 1350 01:13:35,749 --> 01:13:37,251 It's a Wonderful Life does well. 1351 01:13:37,334 --> 01:13:39,878 The problem is it cost so much to make. 1352 01:13:39,962 --> 01:13:42,756 It's something of a disaster for the company. 1353 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,260 Now, clearly, what's really worse for the company 1354 01:13:46,343 --> 01:13:48,679 is that two-thirds of the people who formed it 1355 01:13:48,762 --> 01:13:49,930 can't make films for it 1356 01:13:50,013 --> 01:13:53,141 because they're contractually committed to other studios. 1357 01:13:53,225 --> 01:13:55,561 So, Liberty Films crashes and burns. 1358 01:13:55,644 --> 01:13:57,980 And the men who formed it, 1359 01:13:58,063 --> 01:14:01,275 Capra, Wyler and Stevens, sell it 1360 01:14:01,358 --> 01:14:03,610 and all the men go their separate ways, 1361 01:14:03,694 --> 01:14:05,445 and Capra signs on with Paramount, 1362 01:14:05,529 --> 01:14:08,490 which really is a death knell. 1363 01:14:08,574 --> 01:14:10,117 Be careful what you wish for. 1364 01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:11,743 It's been tried many times. 1365 01:14:11,827 --> 01:14:13,912 United Artists, Directors Company, 1366 01:14:13,996 --> 01:14:15,497 Liberty Films. 1367 01:14:15,581 --> 01:14:18,125 It almost never works. That's telling you something. 1368 01:14:18,208 --> 01:14:21,003 Great directors have a tremendous amount of freedom, 1369 01:14:21,086 --> 01:14:24,006 all the freedom they want in the world, right? 1370 01:14:24,089 --> 01:14:27,050 What they want is to have financial support, 1371 01:14:27,134 --> 01:14:30,637 and marketing support, and structural support. 1372 01:14:31,471 --> 01:14:35,017 Nobody in my job who's any good at my job 1373 01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:37,853 is gonna tell a great director where to place the camera. 1374 01:14:38,979 --> 01:14:42,232 So, they may have to lift budgets 1375 01:14:42,316 --> 01:14:45,235 and deal with economic realities. 1376 01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:47,696 But that's the reality that keeps things going. 1377 01:14:47,779 --> 01:14:50,657 I think, in terms of the emotional investment 1378 01:14:50,741 --> 01:14:52,826 that Frank Capra had made in this film, 1379 01:14:52,910 --> 01:14:57,331 really nothing but a big hit would have satisfied him anyway. 1380 01:14:57,414 --> 01:14:59,208 It was his comeback. 1381 01:14:59,291 --> 01:15:01,376 So, this movie, I think, 1382 01:15:01,460 --> 01:15:04,838 was in no small measure about saying to Hollywood, 1383 01:15:04,922 --> 01:15:09,176 "Hey, I've still got it. I've still got that touch 1384 01:15:09,259 --> 01:15:14,348 "that brings in audiences and moves people." 1385 01:15:14,431 --> 01:15:19,311 And when It's a Wonderful Life did that, 1386 01:15:19,394 --> 01:15:25,025 but not to a great world-shaking extent, 1387 01:15:25,108 --> 01:15:28,570 I think that was very hard on Frank Capra. 1388 01:15:32,699 --> 01:15:34,910 I have to confess that 1389 01:15:34,993 --> 01:15:37,538 the pattern of Frank Capra's career 1390 01:15:37,621 --> 01:15:42,501 after It's a Wonderful Life is a little mysterious to me. 1391 01:15:42,584 --> 01:15:45,295 This was an older Frank Capra. 1392 01:15:45,379 --> 01:15:47,589 And somehow, 1393 01:15:47,673 --> 01:15:52,761 he couldn't really get back up off the mat. 1394 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:07,651 Isn't that nice? 1395 01:16:07,734 --> 01:16:09,528 {\an8}I must say, it's right neighbourly of you people 1396 01:16:09,611 --> 01:16:11,572 {\an8}who have seen the preview of Here Comes the Groom 1397 01:16:11,655 --> 01:16:13,031 {\an8}to write a wireless and apprise us 1398 01:16:13,115 --> 01:16:14,741 of your reactions to this film. 1399 01:16:15,534 --> 01:16:16,577 If I may be immodest for a moment, 1400 01:16:16,660 --> 01:16:19,746 I must tell you in all candour the reactions have been good, 1401 01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:22,040 which is easy to understand because Paramount went out 1402 01:16:22,124 --> 01:16:24,042 and got the down-to-earth, homey type of story 1403 01:16:24,126 --> 01:16:26,044 that they've been searching so long for me. 1404 01:16:26,128 --> 01:16:28,881 They got a bang-up cast and a great director, Frank Capra, 1405 01:16:28,964 --> 01:16:30,257 at the helm, to direct the picture. 1406 01:16:30,340 --> 01:16:32,426 When Capra makes films for Paramount, 1407 01:16:32,509 --> 01:16:34,011 he makes them with big stars. 1408 01:16:34,094 --> 01:16:36,555 He makes a couple of films with Bing Crosby. 1409 01:16:36,638 --> 01:16:38,724 And there is a campaign to push those films. 1410 01:16:38,807 --> 01:16:41,602 They're a big deal and there's a lot of PR about the films. 1411 01:16:44,771 --> 01:16:48,442 But no one thinks of them once they come out 1412 01:16:48,525 --> 01:16:50,819 as anything but minor films. 1413 01:16:50,903 --> 01:16:54,281 These films, Riding High, Here Comes the Groom, 1414 01:16:54,364 --> 01:16:58,911 are Bing Crosby films that Capra happened to make. 1415 01:16:58,994 --> 01:17:01,413 As America recovered from the war, 1416 01:17:01,496 --> 01:17:04,833 the Capra-esque story of the individual 1417 01:17:04,917 --> 01:17:08,128 lost its urgency 1418 01:17:08,212 --> 01:17:12,633 in the sort of postwar complacency. 1419 01:17:12,716 --> 01:17:16,845 The feeling that America could take a breath 1420 01:17:16,929 --> 01:17:20,098 didn't really serve Capra as an artist. 1421 01:17:20,182 --> 01:17:24,311 He needed a fight. There were still fights to be fought. 1422 01:17:24,394 --> 01:17:26,688 He just didn't find one in the '50s. 1423 01:17:42,496 --> 01:17:44,248 During the McCarthy years, 1424 01:17:44,331 --> 01:17:46,124 the years of the Hollywood blacklist, 1425 01:17:46,208 --> 01:17:50,003 {\an8}paranoia was rampant, and the whole question arose 1426 01:17:50,087 --> 01:17:52,130 {\an8}of what it meant to be a patriot. 1427 01:17:53,048 --> 01:17:55,425 It's a 10-year period or more 1428 01:17:56,093 --> 01:18:00,722 when your politics can prevent you from having a job. 1429 01:18:00,806 --> 01:18:02,891 The films that were hailed in the '30s 1430 01:18:02,975 --> 01:18:05,519 were seen in a different light after the war. 1431 01:18:05,602 --> 01:18:08,188 And so, films like Mr Deeds and Mr Smith 1432 01:18:08,272 --> 01:18:11,149 were potentially risky things to look back on. 1433 01:18:15,863 --> 01:18:18,490 {\an8}Frank Capra was never blacklisted. 1434 01:18:18,574 --> 01:18:20,951 {\an8}What happened to Frank Capra was, 1435 01:18:21,034 --> 01:18:23,871 {\an8}during the Korean War, he wanted to serve, 1436 01:18:23,954 --> 01:18:27,541 but he was too old to serve in any capacity. 1437 01:18:27,624 --> 01:18:29,585 But there was a committee made, 1438 01:18:29,668 --> 01:18:31,962 Vista, I believe it was called. 1439 01:18:32,045 --> 01:18:34,256 It was a military service committee, 1440 01:18:34,339 --> 01:18:39,052 and he was denied clearance by that committee. 1441 01:18:40,429 --> 01:18:42,097 It was the biggest shock of his life 1442 01:18:42,181 --> 01:18:44,975 that he was basically accused of being disloyal to his country. 1443 01:18:45,058 --> 01:18:46,727 Some of the charges were ridiculous. 1444 01:18:46,810 --> 01:18:49,855 But the one charge that really was a problem for him was, 1445 01:18:49,938 --> 01:18:52,691 they said, "You worked with a lot of left-wing writers", 1446 01:18:52,774 --> 01:18:54,234 and that was true. 1447 01:18:54,318 --> 01:18:59,990 He did, of course, immediately mount his response to them, 1448 01:19:00,073 --> 01:19:02,201 and sent it to them. 1449 01:19:03,493 --> 01:19:05,537 He goes through each of the men accused 1450 01:19:05,621 --> 01:19:08,332 of being a leftist, of being a communist, 1451 01:19:08,415 --> 01:19:10,083 and he says, "I didn't know this", 1452 01:19:10,167 --> 01:19:12,753 or, "If I had known, I wouldn't have worked with them". 1453 01:19:13,629 --> 01:19:16,048 He wants to distance himself from them 1454 01:19:16,131 --> 01:19:17,799 as a means of protecting himself. 1455 01:19:18,675 --> 01:19:20,844 Different people reacted in different ways, 1456 01:19:20,928 --> 01:19:22,804 and he named names of people 1457 01:19:22,888 --> 01:19:24,932 and recklessly threw them around, 1458 01:19:25,015 --> 01:19:27,392 and this all added to the stigma 1459 01:19:27,476 --> 01:19:29,686 that was attached to those people. 1460 01:19:31,980 --> 01:19:33,774 I think this is a very difficult issue, 1461 01:19:33,857 --> 01:19:35,901 and this is a time when it's hard to know 1462 01:19:35,984 --> 01:19:37,819 who the good guys are at all 1463 01:19:37,903 --> 01:19:40,531 because there are these inflections. 1464 01:19:40,614 --> 01:19:42,074 We can name the bad guys. 1465 01:19:42,157 --> 01:19:44,409 We know the bad guys, the guys who name names, 1466 01:19:44,493 --> 01:19:48,038 the Elia Kazans and others who were happy to name names. 1467 01:19:48,121 --> 01:19:50,499 Clifford Odets and others like him. 1468 01:19:50,582 --> 01:19:53,293 What Capra did is probably certainly on that spectrum. 1469 01:19:57,047 --> 01:20:01,385 He was very hurt by this, and very upset. 1470 01:20:01,468 --> 01:20:03,846 He didn't talk about it, generally. 1471 01:20:03,929 --> 01:20:06,014 The country he had devoted so much to, 1472 01:20:06,098 --> 01:20:08,684 he'd served loyally in World War II 1473 01:20:08,767 --> 01:20:10,602 and sacrificed a lot for, 1474 01:20:10,686 --> 01:20:12,729 and here he was, accused of being disloyal. 1475 01:20:12,813 --> 01:20:14,606 It was the worst shock of his life, 1476 01:20:14,690 --> 01:20:16,859 and it's like being kicked in the teeth 1477 01:20:16,942 --> 01:20:18,026 by somebody you love. 1478 01:20:19,361 --> 01:20:20,404 So, he wound up being 1479 01:20:20,487 --> 01:20:22,364 very disappointed by the United States, 1480 01:20:22,447 --> 01:20:24,116 I guess, to put it mildly. 1481 01:20:26,243 --> 01:20:29,913 His career dwindled and died. 1482 01:20:29,997 --> 01:20:33,417 He becomes something of a gentleman farmer at this time, 1483 01:20:33,500 --> 01:20:36,128 raising his avocados in California. 1484 01:20:36,211 --> 01:20:38,630 He becomes a collector of rare books. 1485 01:20:38,714 --> 01:20:42,050 He owns the rights to films that he then sells. 1486 01:20:42,134 --> 01:20:43,719 He owned Roman Holiday, 1487 01:20:43,802 --> 01:20:46,805 which becomes a huge hit for William Wyler. 1488 01:20:46,889 --> 01:20:48,682 He does that kind of thing. 1489 01:20:52,936 --> 01:20:54,897 You know, if we want to understand 1490 01:20:54,980 --> 01:20:57,274 why Capra hoarded 1491 01:20:57,357 --> 01:21:01,403 so much praise and attention late in his life, 1492 01:21:01,486 --> 01:21:06,909 it's because there really was a long limbo period 1493 01:21:06,992 --> 01:21:09,703 of maybe even two decades 1494 01:21:09,786 --> 01:21:12,873 where this person barely existed 1495 01:21:12,956 --> 01:21:15,626 at the level that he had before. 1496 01:21:15,709 --> 01:21:18,712 He certainly did not exist at the level that he had before. 1497 01:21:19,421 --> 01:21:22,049 He was almost himself forgotten, 1498 01:21:22,549 --> 01:21:25,135 and he's part to blame for that, too, 1499 01:21:25,219 --> 01:21:29,348 because he didn't find out why he was relevant any more. 1500 01:21:29,431 --> 01:21:31,141 He didn't discover that. 1501 01:21:34,353 --> 01:21:37,189 One of your last movies, Pocketful of Miracles, 1502 01:21:37,272 --> 01:21:39,983 had tremendous trade reviews, 1503 01:21:40,067 --> 01:21:41,860 and yet, was a box office failure. 1504 01:21:41,944 --> 01:21:43,695 How hard did this hit you? 1505 01:21:45,906 --> 01:21:47,491 {\an8}Surprisingly badly. 1506 01:21:47,574 --> 01:21:49,493 {\an8}It was almost like another Lost Horizon, 1507 01:21:49,576 --> 01:21:51,537 {\an8}only I found no way to cure it. 1508 01:21:53,288 --> 01:21:54,581 I can't... 1509 01:21:54,665 --> 01:21:57,125 That one eludes me completely. 1510 01:21:57,209 --> 01:22:00,337 His career has an extraordinary decline. 1511 01:22:01,046 --> 01:22:05,467 Later in his life, certainly, he has reason to be bitter. 1512 01:22:05,551 --> 01:22:07,427 And his career didn't go the way 1513 01:22:07,511 --> 01:22:10,013 he had hoped it would after the war. 1514 01:22:10,097 --> 01:22:13,350 But I think what really struck me and took me aback was, 1515 01:22:13,433 --> 01:22:15,435 at the beginning of McBride's book, 1516 01:22:15,519 --> 01:22:18,397 he quotes Capra as railing against the Jews 1517 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:20,440 who had ruined his career. 1518 01:22:20,524 --> 01:22:22,860 You'd ask him about any ethnic group, 1519 01:22:22,943 --> 01:22:25,112 he would malign in stereotypical terms, 1520 01:22:25,195 --> 01:22:27,573 even his own people, the Italian-Americans. 1521 01:22:27,656 --> 01:22:31,743 And he unfortunately made antisemitic remarks 1522 01:22:31,827 --> 01:22:36,498 and anti-Black remarks, and anti-Mexican-American remarks, 1523 01:22:36,582 --> 01:22:39,168 anti-Native-American remarks, you name it. 1524 01:22:39,251 --> 01:22:41,378 And to see Capra, an immigrant, 1525 01:22:41,461 --> 01:22:44,381 talk about that is just really kind of heartbreaking. 1526 01:22:44,464 --> 01:22:48,093 I'm Jewish. I've heard this before. 1527 01:22:48,177 --> 01:22:49,511 You hear it all the time, 1528 01:22:49,595 --> 01:22:52,848 and it's very hard to see Capra doing the same thing. 1529 01:22:57,603 --> 01:22:59,146 In the late '60s, 1530 01:22:59,229 --> 01:23:01,231 not only is Capra looked on as quaint, 1531 01:23:01,315 --> 01:23:03,609 but he's also looked on as a status quo. 1532 01:23:03,692 --> 01:23:06,695 He represents the sort of Hollywood... 1533 01:23:07,154 --> 01:23:11,283 ...classical, glamorous studio filmmaking, 1534 01:23:11,366 --> 01:23:14,828 that this new generation of filmmakers, 1535 01:23:14,912 --> 01:23:17,789 Dennis Hopper, Friedkin, Altman, 1536 01:23:17,873 --> 01:23:20,584 the '70s era of filmmakers, 1537 01:23:20,667 --> 01:23:24,213 regarded with a little bit of cynicism. 1538 01:23:24,296 --> 01:23:26,757 It's funny. It becomes a Capra movie again. 1539 01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:31,762 He's at this low point, "I'm forgotten". 1540 01:23:31,845 --> 01:23:33,972 "No one remembers my movies." 1541 01:23:34,056 --> 01:23:35,974 "They're looked on as corny." 1542 01:23:36,058 --> 01:23:38,852 So, what does Capra do? 1543 01:23:38,936 --> 01:23:40,437 He writes a book. 1544 01:23:40,521 --> 01:23:44,983 And the autobiography is a phenomenal success. 1545 01:23:45,067 --> 01:23:46,527 And he was back. 1546 01:23:49,530 --> 01:23:53,075 Frank Capra hasn't made a feature film since 1961. 1547 01:23:53,158 --> 01:23:55,744 But when he appears before a group of students, 1548 01:23:55,827 --> 01:23:56,995 many of whom weren't born 1549 01:23:57,079 --> 01:23:58,664 when his greatest films were being made, 1550 01:23:58,747 --> 01:24:01,083 he is greeted with applause. 1551 01:24:01,166 --> 01:24:04,044 He went on 125 college campuses, 1552 01:24:04,127 --> 01:24:06,046 and he went around the world 1553 01:24:06,129 --> 01:24:07,548 for the US government again. 1554 01:24:07,631 --> 01:24:08,924 Ironically, they asked him 1555 01:24:09,007 --> 01:24:11,468 to promote Americanism around the world, 1556 01:24:11,552 --> 01:24:14,471 and for the State Department. He was very happy to do that. 1557 01:24:14,555 --> 01:24:18,350 As I found out, the book is like a novel about Hollywood. 1558 01:24:18,433 --> 01:24:20,936 It's a rather beguiling novel, somewhat disturbing, 1559 01:24:21,019 --> 01:24:23,438 but often very charming. 1560 01:24:23,522 --> 01:24:26,483 But it's almost completely fictitious. 1561 01:24:27,192 --> 01:24:30,279 The memoir Capra writes is wonderful. 1562 01:24:30,362 --> 01:24:31,864 But when you read the book now, 1563 01:24:31,947 --> 01:24:34,783 it's upsetting in some ways because the way he takes credit 1564 01:24:34,867 --> 01:24:37,452 for everything he ever did, every script he ever wrote, 1565 01:24:37,536 --> 01:24:39,663 every film he ever made, it all comes from him. 1566 01:24:39,746 --> 01:24:41,290 It all springs from his brow. 1567 01:24:41,373 --> 01:24:43,667 Now, I think we'd take this with a grain of salt. 1568 01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:45,419 We know it's not how films are made. 1569 01:24:45,502 --> 01:24:48,338 He was a storyteller and a mythmaker. 1570 01:24:48,422 --> 01:24:52,009 And if you're a mythmaker, 1571 01:24:52,092 --> 01:24:55,762 what better subject to make a myth about than yourself? 1572 01:24:55,846 --> 01:24:57,764 It's kind of an American story, that is, 1573 01:24:57,848 --> 01:24:59,683 the immigrant who starts with nothing, 1574 01:24:59,766 --> 01:25:02,060 comes from nowhere, and makes it big. 1575 01:25:02,144 --> 01:25:05,272 But for him, it really does resurrect his career. 1576 01:25:05,355 --> 01:25:06,857 It gives him a second act. 1577 01:25:06,940 --> 01:25:10,027 He had been, not forgotten, but dismissed, 1578 01:25:10,110 --> 01:25:12,112 and the book, which is a bestseller, 1579 01:25:12,196 --> 01:25:15,782 really does make him a figure in public life. 1580 01:25:21,288 --> 01:25:23,498 America's a melting pot. 1581 01:25:23,582 --> 01:25:25,751 Well, he's part of the melt, 1582 01:25:25,834 --> 01:25:31,173 and he comes in and he learns what it is to be an American, 1583 01:25:31,256 --> 01:25:33,008 or at least what we think it is. 1584 01:25:33,091 --> 01:25:36,595 And then, he contributes to that definition. 1585 01:25:36,678 --> 01:25:40,432 He narratises it, makes it a great story 1586 01:25:40,516 --> 01:25:42,518 for us to go and enjoy, 1587 01:25:42,601 --> 01:25:44,686 convinces us it's true. 1588 01:25:44,770 --> 01:25:47,606 Also, that's propaganda, I guess. 1589 01:25:47,689 --> 01:25:50,776 But he has a huge legacy 1590 01:25:50,859 --> 01:25:53,403 about what it is to be an American, 1591 01:25:53,487 --> 01:25:56,198 which is to come from another place 1592 01:25:56,281 --> 01:25:58,992 and contribute to the definition of it. 1593 01:25:59,076 --> 01:26:01,537 Based on what you thought it was going to be, 1594 01:26:01,620 --> 01:26:04,248 or everybody believed it was going to be, 1595 01:26:04,331 --> 01:26:07,042 mixed in with what it really is, 1596 01:26:07,125 --> 01:26:09,920 all put in there with a little bit of ugly, 1597 01:26:10,003 --> 01:26:12,840 a little bit of sad, a little bit of tragic, 1598 01:26:12,923 --> 01:26:15,300 a little bit of corrupt, a little bit of whatever, 1599 01:26:15,384 --> 01:26:18,136 but ultimately coming out and saying, 1600 01:26:18,220 --> 01:26:21,723 "It's a victory, we're going to keep going". 1601 01:26:21,807 --> 01:26:25,143 The American value is, "You can do it". 1602 01:26:25,227 --> 01:26:26,812 That's the American value. 1603 01:26:26,895 --> 01:26:30,107 If you want something, you can go for it, 1604 01:26:30,190 --> 01:26:32,025 and it's not going to be easy. 1605 01:26:32,109 --> 01:26:34,361 That is what America should be. 1606 01:26:36,613 --> 01:26:39,533 I guess he is an embodiment of the American Dream, 1607 01:26:39,616 --> 01:26:42,119 if we believe that exists in the first place. 1608 01:26:42,202 --> 01:26:44,580 Certainly, he would have it that was the case, 1609 01:26:44,663 --> 01:26:47,416 that anyone could come here and make it big. 1610 01:26:47,499 --> 01:26:50,169 I think that's the mark of his conservatism in some ways. 1611 01:26:50,252 --> 01:26:52,754 He does believe you should do it on your own. 1612 01:26:52,838 --> 01:26:55,424 So, in that sense, the American Dream 1613 01:26:55,507 --> 01:26:57,593 is perverse, reactionary, 1614 01:26:57,676 --> 01:27:01,346 and impossible for most people to ever attain, 1615 01:27:01,430 --> 01:27:03,682 and probably was not even true in Capra's case. 1616 01:27:03,765 --> 01:27:05,559 Even though his drive was unusual, 1617 01:27:05,642 --> 01:27:08,312 he had to have an awful lot of help, 1618 01:27:08,395 --> 01:27:12,316 a lot of luck, and worked with all the right people. 1619 01:27:12,399 --> 01:27:14,693 So, it embodies the American Dream. 1620 01:27:14,776 --> 01:27:17,779 The person who made Frank Capra who he was... 1621 01:27:17,863 --> 01:27:20,157 We wouldn't be sitting here talking about Frank Capra 1622 01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,534 if it weren't for a woman named Jean McDaniel, 1623 01:27:22,618 --> 01:27:25,037 who was an Irish-American schoolteacher. 1624 01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,372 She was Frank Capra's champion. 1625 01:27:27,456 --> 01:27:30,751 The parents wanted to take Frank out of school in fifth grade 1626 01:27:30,834 --> 01:27:32,711 and make him go to work in a brickyard 1627 01:27:32,794 --> 01:27:34,046 like his brother, Tony. 1628 01:27:34,129 --> 01:27:36,673 And she said she raised the money from the PTA 1629 01:27:36,757 --> 01:27:39,593 to pay his parents what Frank would've earned in the brickyard 1630 01:27:39,676 --> 01:27:40,969 if he would stay in school. 1631 01:27:41,053 --> 01:27:43,597 So, if it hadn't been for Jean McDaniel, 1632 01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,183 we never would have heard of Frank Capra. 1633 01:27:48,352 --> 01:27:52,773 There's so much complexity here in a man's life. 1634 01:27:52,856 --> 01:27:56,568 There's so much complexity in the films he makes. 1635 01:27:56,652 --> 01:27:58,820 So, it is very hard 1636 01:27:58,904 --> 01:28:03,033 to make a simple idea about Frank. 1637 01:28:04,076 --> 01:28:09,164 Some people only want to think of them as politics. 1638 01:28:09,248 --> 01:28:11,834 Some only want to think of them 1639 01:28:11,917 --> 01:28:16,213 as optimistic, sentimental pap. 1640 01:28:16,296 --> 01:28:19,800 Or they want to think of it as an American immigrant story, 1641 01:28:19,883 --> 01:28:22,886 or definition of American history. 1642 01:28:22,970 --> 01:28:25,597 And all of these things are in there. 1643 01:28:27,099 --> 01:28:29,351 I think Frank Capra was always 1644 01:28:29,434 --> 01:28:34,314 much more than his reputation, say, in the 1930s. 1645 01:28:34,398 --> 01:28:39,611 He's more than the maker of It's a Wonderful Life. 1646 01:28:39,695 --> 01:28:45,117 And he's also more than some of the beatings 1647 01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:47,578 that his reputation has taken. 1648 01:28:47,661 --> 01:28:52,082 What's going to remain essential forever is the movies. 1649 01:28:52,165 --> 01:28:53,792 {\an8}It does not surprise me 1650 01:28:53,876 --> 01:28:56,962 {\an8}that there is a resurgence of interest in Capra right now 1651 01:28:57,045 --> 01:28:59,423 because this country is going through 1652 01:28:59,506 --> 01:29:01,675 terrible, terrible turmoil. 1653 01:29:01,758 --> 01:29:04,386 And like any great myth, 1654 01:29:04,469 --> 01:29:08,640 Capra's movies, on the spiritual-communal level, 1655 01:29:08,724 --> 01:29:13,562 give us a framework to maintain that kind of faith 1656 01:29:13,645 --> 01:29:16,481 {\an8}in a way that isn't ludicrous, 1657 01:29:16,565 --> 01:29:19,401 {\an8}and, in fact, is life-saving. 1658 01:29:19,484 --> 01:29:23,113 They're reminders that humanity can be good. 1659 01:29:23,197 --> 01:29:24,865 We all have to hope. 1660 01:29:27,993 --> 01:29:31,955 These movies are so delightful, you just have to watch them. 1661 01:29:32,039 --> 01:29:34,458 Why do we watch movies? Because they're delightful. 1662 01:29:34,541 --> 01:29:36,043 And his movies are delightful. 1663 01:29:36,126 --> 01:29:38,212 Forget the messages and all that kind of stuff. 1664 01:29:38,295 --> 01:29:39,296 They're so fun to watch, 1665 01:29:39,379 --> 01:29:41,131 you just have to watch these movies. 1666 01:29:41,215 --> 01:29:44,426 I don't want to live in a world where there's no hope, 1667 01:29:44,510 --> 01:29:48,013 where there's no sense that there could be a victory, 1668 01:29:48,096 --> 01:29:51,016 and if that's a silly idea and I'm crazy, 1669 01:29:51,099 --> 01:29:53,268 that's okay with me. I'm not... 1670 01:29:53,352 --> 01:29:55,854 The main thing is laughing. 1671 01:29:55,938 --> 01:29:58,440 If you want to ask me that question 1672 01:29:58,524 --> 01:30:00,901 all over again about Frank's legacy, 1673 01:30:00,984 --> 01:30:03,570 I'll just say, "Give me a laugh". 1674 01:30:03,654 --> 01:30:05,239 And he gave me a laugh. 1675 01:30:05,322 --> 01:30:08,617 If we don't do anything else but laugh, good. 1676 01:30:09,701 --> 01:30:11,370 That's all I'm here for, really, 1677 01:30:11,453 --> 01:30:14,998 to try and just tell you that 1678 01:30:16,667 --> 01:30:20,254 there's good in the world, and that it's wonderful. 1679 01:31:20,564 --> 01:31:23,275 Hey, I know the second verse there. 1680 01:31:23,358 --> 01:31:24,735 Yeah. 1681 01:32:13,867 --> 01:32:16,703 Do you mind if I take the third one? 139491

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