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Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome.
We are going to start this particular section
on how to prepare your clients for an
engagement session.
I think it's easy for us to think
and show up and assume that our clients
will show up and they will do exactly
what we want them to do.
I kind of function this way.
I like showed up and I hope that
things would work out and they function that
way for actually a few months.
I have never been the type of person
to tell other people what to do, like
side note, that is clearly changed now, but
for the vast majority of my life, I
was never a person who should say, you
should do this, you should try that, you
should go here.
Not remotely at all.
It has since changed and it's changed to
better my business but also to better my
life.
Because I had such a hard time telling
clients what to do or what I think
they should do, it manifested because it came
to a head at an engagement session during
my second year of business when a client
showed up over two hours late to this
engagement session.
At this point, you're probably thinking, what were
you still doing there?
Two hours and some change after the start
of it.
One thing that you will know about me
shortly is I am determined.
I will stand you down.
There's just no way that I'm going to
leave this engagement session.
I'm going to stay here.
I'm going to prove it.
You guys are hearing how ridiculous it sounds.
Well, that was me at the time and
I called JD and I was in Malibu
and Malibu from Orange County is about an
hour, but any traffic estimations in California vastly
changes what that looks like.
If I were to leave the engagement session
at that time due to traffic, I'd be
in the car close to three hours.
That's just what it is to live in
Southern California.
I'm calling him every 15 minutes and they
still haven't showed up.
They still haven't showed up.
I would be getting texts from the client
or calls and she would be like, oh,
we're just exiting the freeway.
It's like 30 minutes later, girl, you did
not just exit the freeway.
You just did not.
She kept on being like, oh, well, this
happened and oh, well, this happened.
And I was so infuriated and I felt
so disrespected that when she showed up, I
was like, we have maybe 10 minutes of
light.
I will stay here and I will shoot
this, but if you want to reshoot the
engagement session, I'm going to have to come
down and charge it separately as a separate
engagement session.
She's like, no, we're just thankful you didn't
leave.
Let's just do the session.
And I'm like, in 10 minutes?
And she's like, 10 minutes.
I was like, okay.
So I did the best I could.
I ended up shooting the vast majority of
it at around 1600 ISO and I just
thought, wow.
So I get back in the car and
I am just, can you believe the audacity,
J.D.? Who does this?
Who shows up two hours late to the
shoot?
Who has a 10-minute engagement session?
And he just lets me have my tirade
and then he says, well, did you tell
them why they had to be there on
time?
I was like, what do you mean?
People should just be on time.
And he's just like, well, yes, but if
you don't tell people why they need to
be on time, they will not understand that
you can't do your job unless they show
up and adhere to the things that you
ask for them.
And I was like, well, well, then I'm
going to talk to somebody who supports me,
okay?
But he was right.
What this really boils down to is that
I needed to explain.
I needed to explain why they had to
be on time.
I'm a natural light photographer.
If I lose the sun, I cannot possibly
pursue with the engagement session.
I tell my clients, if you show up
30 minutes late to your session, I will
not extend the engagement session by 30 minutes.
The sun dictates how and why I shoot.
I say that now to every single client.
You want to know how many clients have
been late to an engagement session since that
disastrous one?
Zero.
People know that they are spending money to
get an engagement session and they're just not
going to lose it because they weren't trying
hard enough to be there.
I also needed to explain why it probably
wasn't a good idea for guys to be
wearing baseball caps and flip flops to their
engagement session.
That was a little uncomfortable.
I had to explain that going to four
locations in one engagement session, probably not a
good idea.
I actually had to start teaching my clients
what good ideas were and what not so
feasible ideas were because if I didn't take
time to explain it to them, I could
not be frustrated if they themselves did not
understand that.
Basically what this means is I needed to
prepare my clients for success.
How do I do this?
I explain what they should expect and it
comes in this way.
About a month before their engagement session, I
email my clients and I give them four
weeks advance notice because I cannot get into
an email explanation one week and that could
potentially change or pivot their expectation for the
shoot.
Four weeks, we can.
I outline what I want from their session.
I say in this email, I want them
to have a good time.
I say in this email, I want them
to get great photos.
I say in this email that it's a
great opportunity for us to learn and see
how we interact with each other before the
wedding day.
So I outline my goals.
Secondly, then I list what I'm expecting from
them.
What I expect from them is to be
on time, that they are eligible for one
outfit change and you can offer outfit tips
if they need them.
They get one location change and what I
also ask them to do is to ensure
that that location or either of the locations
don't have anything that could affect our shoot.
It could be under construction.
You might have to pay a shoot fee.
You might need a permit.
All of those things, I abdicate the responsibility
to them to handle that because I don't
want to show up to the engagement session
and the client's like, Jasmine, why didn't you
get the shoot permit?
Because then I would think, well, you can
get the shoot permit.
I have to tell them, if we need
one, you must get it.
Now, then I request for, I refer to
him as the groom, but it's usually fiance.
99% of my correspondence is with the
bride.
So in this case, when I say fiance,
I largely mean the counterpart to my client
interaction.
Request that your fiance watches slide shows in
advance because what was happening was I would
get these guys to come to shoots and
the girls are excited and they're amped because
they had been seeing my photos on Facebook.
They were excited.
You know, they're feeling good and the guy
would show up, be like, yeah, you know,
doing this for her.
All right.
So, uh, how long is this going to
be?
There's a game, right?
Like, so we have been at this point
where it's like, I, I don't know how
to make you want this.
But what I noticed is if, if I
asked the girl to ask her fiance to
watch the slideshow, he would then see how
much it meant to her because he just
thinks it's just a thing to check off
of the wedding day things to do.
And for her, she's like, do you see
it?
Can you catch my vision?
And he, most guys just, you know, happy
wife, happy life.
They'll just be like, okay.
Then it changes the dynamic of how they
get to the shoot being prepared.
And then they know that I'm not there
to make them look cheesy.
I really want them to be confident in
the approach of shooting when they have their
fiance.
Uh, then I ask, um, them to, I
encourage them to get their hair and makeup
done.
Um, it can be potentially uncomfortable to ask
a bride to do this, but then I
explain why I say, if you're wondering how
your makeup or hair will appear in wedding
photographs, this would be a great trial run.
Furthermore, most brides get a trial run for
their hair and make it before the wedding
day.
And then what happens is you get it
done and then you're going to, are you
going to go grocery shopping after you're going
to go bowling?
Like the fact that we can actually kill
two birds with one stone is a great
opportunity for you to see how it photographs.
And then brides are mostly like, Hey, that's
a great idea.
But from a logistical perspective, we know as
photographers that when hair and makeup is professionally
done, it photographs better.
It simply does.
So if you want something, it's totally okay
to ask for it.
And also I, I, I asked to see
if they're going to be, be bringing props.
I don't want to show up to a
shoot and then be like, Oh, there's a
sofa in a field.
Right?
Then I need to figure out what, how
does this change the logistical lay of the
land?
So I have to prepare myself and then
I have to let them know what I'm
expecting.
Then it comes time for prep.
So I've outlined my goals.
I let them know what I'm expecting and
then I prep them.
I tell my clients that I want them
to feel comfortable.
So if you're starting to notice that there's
going to be a pattern is I'm telling
them what I want at minimum one month
to the, to the engagement session.
Then when we arrive at the engagement session,
I'm telling them again, I want them to
be comfortable.
I encourage them for freedom of movement.
I come in and I say, I want
your ideas.
If you want to go to a particular
place, let me know.
I tell them I shoot digitally.
So if you see something that you think
could potentially be a good idea, let me
know.
But then I follow up with, if it
doesn't work, it won't make the edit.
There's no pressure.
Offering me the back door so that if
the client's like, I want to stand on
this stump, I have really had the client,
there was like a stump in just like
this random park and she wanted her and
her fiance to stand on the stump.
And I'm like, and at this point I
had already given myself a back door saying,
okay, if it doesn't work.
So I was like, totally, let's, let's stump
this photo.
Right?
Like, I'm like, great.
It did not make the edit.
And when she had said, oh, did any
of those photos from the stump work out?
And I said, unfortunately the light wasn't right
and it wasn't the most complimentary because you
guys were at such a high angle.
That was it.
Had I not given myself the back door,
she would have expected that photograph in her
edit.
Then I explain how beautiful I find confidence.
I have to let them know I'm seeding
already.
You guys see that I want them to
be comfortable.
I want them to have a good time.
And I explain that I like confidence.
So then I'm already giving them the permission
to be confident upon arrival.
Lastly, I send ideas, encouragement.
And if my clients are shooting at a
location that I have shot at before, I
send them links to engagement sessions that I
have shot to give them an idea of
what they can expect.
If a client wants to know what she
should be wearing, if the location is okay,
I want her to feel really good so
that she's not second-guessing everything.
So that she did all the second-guessing
on the front end.
I assaged those worries.
She arrives looking and feeling beautiful, ready to
deliver.
Now, does it sound like a lot of
work?
Yes.
But the more work you do in advance,
the higher likelihood you are to have a
really successful engagement session.
Now, I want to move now to the
logistics of the shoot.
So now we did the prep for the
shoot.
Now I know what I do in advance.
And now we're going to get to what
it really looks like to ensure that my
bases are covered on the day of the
engagement session.
So it sounds very basic, but check the
weather.
I live in California, which is really, you
know, great most of the time of the
year.
And even just coming before I came to
Seattle, there was this freak rainstorm.
It was like days of like 78, 78,
and then boom.
60-degree day, which is, I'm sure, not
very cold for a lot of you.
But in California, it was like news reports.
This just in.
It hit 61 degrees.
Bundle up, ladies.
It's like, okay, but for us, this is
a big deal.
And it also rained.
So if I had an engagement session that
I just assumed, like, oh, yeah, this week's
great.
What can go wrong?
I would be doing a disservice to myself
to at least let my clients know it
will rain.
But in other areas, I'm sure you guys
are accustomed to this, but it never hurts
to know what the rain pattern will be.
Have a plan B when it comes to
weather, too.
Just because the weather does change, I don't
immediately go to let's change it.
I go to how can we fix this.
And if you will be unhappy, then let's
get there.
Second point is to leave with plenty of
time.
And I know this seems like intuitive, but
there is nothing worse than showing up late,
even if it's five, ten minutes.
This is your first impression as a paid
creative member of their wedding team.
And if you show up ten minutes late
to their engagement session, they're going to wonder
if you're going to show up ten minutes
late to their wedding.
And that's not going to fly.
Because here's the thing.
Always assume there's traffic.
Always assume there is an accident.
Take a book with you.
Bring your computer with you.
Catch up with an email.
Be productive.
But more than anything, err on the side.
JD thinks I'm crazy.
I leave an hour, like an hour and
a half in addition to what it normally
would take me.
And I'm like, I'm going to take my
book.
I'm going to relax.
I'm going to be at peace.
Remember about creating that zone?
That's what I definitely need to do.
Thirdly, ensure you have the exact address.
Now, people will say, oh, we're going to
meet at Huntington Beach.
Or, oh, we're going to meet here.
No, no.
Learn from my mistakes.
A client had said, oh, we're going to
meet at Calamigos.
She had just said Calamigos.
And in my mind, when she said Calamigos,
I assumed she meant Calamigos, Malibu.
Because I had no idea that there was
a Calamigos elsewhere.
And so I'm on my way, feeling great.
And this is a wedding day.
This is a wedding day, okay?
We leave the hotel.
And I think to myself, wow, we're driving
a long way to get to Calamigos, Malibu.
And I'm going, and something in my heart
is just off.
And I'm like, something's off.
Something's really off here.
So I go to my phone, and I
search Calamigos.
And I come to find out there's three
or four Calamigos in Southern California.
And then I put my head between my
knees, and I'm dry heaving.
I'm like, boom, boom.
It's like, J.D., the wedding.
Like, I died.
I died.
And I was like, I don't know what
you have to do.
Get on this emergency exit, and we just
have to go.
We just have to go.
And he's like, okay, calm down, calm down.
Thankfully, the limo got a flat tire.
Thankfully, we were saved.
And I learned the most valuable lesson that
day.
I need an exact address.
Even you could say loosely.
Even if there's only one Theo Chocolate Factory
in Seattle, I need the address.
It's my responsibility to get that.
Double check your gear.
I shoot on an engagement session.
I keep what I shoot rather light.
I don't want to be overcome with my
options.
So I shoot with the 50 millimeter 1
.2, the 35 millimeter 1.4, and the
85 1.2. Those are the three lenses
that I use.
I keep one lens on my camera.
I keep two in my bag.
And I also take a spare camera that
I leave in the backseat of my car
underneath the seat.
So, God forbid, anything should happen with my
camera the day of the shoot.
Say, hey, give me a couple minutes.
I'm going to go back.
I'm going to get my spare.
An average engagement session, I'll shoot somewhere in
the ballpark of 8 to 10 gigs of
memory.
And we're going to talk about what that
looks like.
And I shoot medium raw.
Now, what I also want you to do
is to cross-check for daily events at
the venue.
I spoke with a wedding photographer who had
planned to do a downtown Los Angeles engagement
session.
And when she arrived about four, five, six
miles from it, everything was at a complete
stop.
And she had no idea why people weren't
moving and why everybody was wearing running shoes.
Unbeknownst to her, Los Angeles Marathon was going
on that day.
And so her clients are stuck in gridlock
traffic.
She's stuck in gridlock traffic.
And it was a complete waste.
They couldn't even get ultimately to where they
wanted to go.
Yes, theoretically, it was the client's responsibility to
find that out.
But anything day of, I also will cross
-reference just to make sure.
Now, we're going to move now on to
the engagement session.
When the engagement session actually arrives, I arrive
early and I scope out the location.
Now, I arrive early because even if I
have shot in locations before, you never know
what could happen.
Case in point, the Not Dream engagement session.
She tells me where to meet.
She tells me that they hike there all
the time, all days of the week, all
hours of the day.
So I said, great.
So I arrive early and I see that
there's a gate in front of the public
parking lot.
And I'm like, why is this gate locked?
I hop into my car and it's completely
locked.
There's not a single car in the parking
lot.
And I think to myself, okay, no big
deal.
I'm just going to find parking elsewhere.
We couldn't find parking for four miles on
either end.
And there was a distinct sign that said,
if you park at this Wayfarers Church, you're
going to get towed.
And I'm like, wow, okay.
So if I arrived early, it was so
windy.
I mean, it was like Dorothy and Toto
windy.
I was like, there's a house that's going
to land on us.
It's so windy.
We can't get into this parking lot.
There is no parking.
What are we going to do?
So I call her.
And I'm just like, I let her know,
this is the land.
She was like, I really, like, that's just,
it's our space.
Okay.
And the cameras with CreativeLive were there, so
I'm trying to keep it together on the
front end.
And I'm just like, oh.
I was like, okay, no problem.
No problem at all.
Just bring a rubber band and some bobby
pins because your hair is going to be
flying everywhere.
We were able to park in 30-minute
parking.
There was two little parking spots.
And we just said, if we get a
ticket, this is the price we're going to
pay to shoot this engagement session because that
is what she wants.
I cannot pitch her any more.
So she knew.
But had I not arrived an hour early,
we would have been like, what the heck
is going on?
I didn't have enough time to tell her
to bring a rubber band or bobby pins.
I would have felt like completely off my
game.
When the clients do arrive, even though I
had already given Samantha heads up, like, hey,
it's very windy.
Hey, it's very bright.
And, hey, you will have to park and
there's a potential of your car getting towed.
And she said, okay.
I said, here we go.
So when they arrived, because that was our
very first interaction, it was the very first
time, I didn't even talk to her.
I actually texted her.
It was the very first time we had
texted each other.
I didn't want her coming to the engagement
session feeling apologetic or frazzled.
So when she arrived, I immediately put her
at ease.
Hey, how's it going?
So glad.
Isn't this working perfectly?
I mean, it was like a wind tunnel.
It's like, Chris, isn't this working perfectly?
But it's fine.
So then I kind of dove into what
I call my welcome spiel.
My welcome spiel is something, because you guys,
because I've spoken about this in previous lessons,
you know that I sometimes get frustrated with
my inability to articulate my thoughts.
So I figured the more I say my
welcome spiel, the more confident I'm going to
be as I approach the shoot.
So what does my welcome spiel include?
My expectations.
I've already emailed what those expectations are, right?
You know what those expectations are, but I'm
reminding them, and I want to put it
in the forefront of their mind.
I want to give them permission, permission to
be themselves, permission for ideas, and permission to
be beautiful.
Thirdly, I subtly remind them of my goals.
My goals are to give them great photos
for them to have a great experience.
And then I tell my clients that I
have arrived early for the shoot and that
I have a lay of the land and
that I can map out the session if
they so choose or if they have ideas,
I want to hear them.
Then, lastly, in the back of my mind,
I am focusing on the words that I
want to shoot for.
We're going to dive more into that in
a future lesson about what my words are
and how I shoot with intention.
But for now, my words that have been
my words for years are fun, fresh, and
editorial.
As I approach my shoot, because I'm a
lifestyle photographer and because I'm going to be
a little bit more hands-on in curating
my vision, every time I put my clients
in a pose, I must make it one
of three things.
Fun, fresh, or editorial.
Now, an ancillary word, like a fourth word,
that most photographers would just kind of encounter
naturally would be romantic because two people in
love, that naturally happens.
But I am not shooting with the intention
of it being romantic.
I am shooting with the intention of it
either being fun, fresh, or editorial.
Now, as I go through the shoot, I'm
constantly letting my clients know how they're doing,
offering feedback, and telling them where we are
headed.
I don't want to have them second guess,
and I want to stay one step ahead
of my clients.
I don't want them to say, where are
we going next, or how am I doing,
or how does my hair look?
I want to be telling them so that
the only thing they think about are my
directives and them not having the head space
to actually say, do I look awkward, how
do I feel, where's my arm?
Towards the end of the session, I tell
my clients, hey, about 10 minutes, 15 minutes
before the session, I will let them know,
you guys, I love what's going on, how
about we go to one last location, we
shoot there for 5 or 10 minutes, and
then we'll call it a day.
So I'm letting them know because sometimes if
you just abruptly end a session, they're just
like, oh, okay, great.
So you're seeding those expectations of what you
want, opening that communication.
Now, because I want them with me every
step of the way, I want them to
stay with my vision.
And the way I get the vision is
by simply setting up a photography map.
We're going to go to point one, we're
going to go to point two, we're going
to go to point three.
Each of those locations, we're going to be
shooting it slightly differently, then 10, 15 minutes
before the shoot ends, like, hey, guys, now
we're going to that last location, this is
going to be great, stick with me, thank
you guys so much, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Stay ahead of them.
Now, before the clients leave, I will inform
them of when they should see a sneak
peek to their blog post.
I say, oh, it'll be in about a
week, but I post a sneak peek the
day after.
And then I tell them, your gallery should
be online in about two to two and
a half weeks, but I will show them
their gallery in about one to one and
a half.
That is what my timeline looks like.
So, we're going to get into the specifics
of how to shoot an engagement session, specifically
how we will shoot the not engagement session
for Samantha and Taylor, so that you guys
can see a beginning, a middle, and an
end.
But I actually want to walk you through
what transparency looks like and how I communicate
with my clients.
Because I can say, yeah, you do this
and you do this, okay?
Right?
But then there's something else in actually showing
what my inbox and communication with Samantha looked
like.
Now, please forgive me if this is not
of interest to you, but I think that
it does bear to kind of show the
type of relationship that I'm building with a
complete stranger far in advance to us meeting.
That's the goal.
It's not to say, like, Jasmine, you have
a typo.
No, it is.
And maybe I do have typos.
I have typos.
It's how I roll.
But how I get to this point, how
I make them comfortable, how I define my
role as a professional photographer is done just
this way.
We had not met.
We had not spoken on the phone.
And I had just sent her that e
-mail of preparation that I just told you
about, right?
My expectations, how many outfits, how many locations,
let me know.
I had just sent her that.
And after she had said, we're going to
shoot on this date, and I said, perfect.
And then she had sent me an e
-mail, and she said, Jasmine, I'm so sorry.
My mom was unexpectedly scheduled for a round
of aggressive chemotherapy, and I'm her primary caretaker.
Is there any way that we can switch
this?
And I e-mailed her back, and I
said, absolutely.
These are the days that work for me.
You let me know.
And she let me know the day before
the session.
And I think it's really important to deal
with people with grace surrounding elements that they
cannot control.
So this was her response.
Hi, Jasmine.
Your e-mail seriously made me cry for
so many reasons.
First of all, I'm ecstatic to hear about
your mother being in good health after such
a battle.
How cute that she is voting.
I let Samantha know.
I said, my mother.
Samantha knew nothing about me.
She knew nothing about my story.
I said, my mother was diagnosed with brain
cancer that seeded into her central nervous system.
I know what it's like to be a
primary caregiver.
I know what schedules look like and how
appointments come up unexpectedly.
I am here for you in any way,
so you let me know, and we'll be
flexible.
And I also told her that my mom
is voting for, like, her wedding dress and
for her bridesmaids' dresses, so.
But she really.
My mom is all about this wedding.
She said, but I'm so sorry your family
endured that, and it breaks my heart to
think of all that you went through.
It is.
It truly is the most challenging time any
of us have ever faced, and every day
is just a big question mark.
Having said that, it's so comforting to know
that you have an understanding for our situation.
We really appreciate you being flexible.
May 4th works for us.
We will put that down.
When it comes to locations, we actually wanted
your opinion.
There's a beautiful place in Redondo Beach where
Taylor and I go hiking.
It's called Abalone Cove.
It's breathtaking right off the cliffs of Hello
Verde.
However, should engagement shots be done in a
similar setting as the wedding?
Since this is an oceanfront place, we didn't
think more of a rustic location would be
better since the wedding is at a winery.
If that is the case, there's plenty of
places around us with that feel.
Thanks so much.
We can't wait to meet you.
My response.
Hi, Samantha.
Some of the greatest things Cancer gives is
patience, flexibility, and understanding.
If nothing else, it's a great teacher of
compassion.
May 4th is locked as yours.
We'll settle a time once we solidify the
location.
Until then, let's chat about logistics.
The only rules for an engagement session are,
one, you should feel at home in the
location.
Two, you should be able to freely express
affection and emotion in the location.
Three, you should be at full liberty to
have fun.
Four, you should feel beautiful in this location.
Do you guys see what I'm doing?
I'm telling you what I have done, and
this is how it's working specifically for her.
As long as the location fits within these
parameters, we are good to go.
On that note, you mentioned a hiking trail.
Are there trees?
Shrubbery?
What type of trails?
Why am I asking this?
Anybody?
Just shout it out, and I'll repeat it.
Shoes.
Absolutely.
That's a total girl answer, but yes.
Shoes.
Because if she's going wearing high heels, which
most girls do, you have to bring a
pair of flip-flops, and then we'll change
into them.
I also was asking because I needed to
know what kind of light I was working
with, having never been to that location.
So I asked, are there trees?
Because then I know, great, I can shoot
in open shade, and I can rock that
at least at the beginning of the shoot.
Do you have photos of the environment?
This would be super helpful in advance, knowing
what we're working with.
The engagement slash wedding location doesn't have to
match, so err on the side of where
your heart leads.
Can't wait to hear from you soon.
These email correspondence happened between two days.
Her response.
I love your outlook and everything, and I
can already tell we're a perfect fit.
We will be working together.
Okay.
We all will be working together.
Well, she thinks we're a good fit.
And what is this based off?
She thinks we're a good fit based on
two emails?
That's great.
That's awesome.
If I can show somebody that I'm a
good fit in two emails, I know that
anybody can do the same.
Here are some pictures, but it does not
do it justice with a simple camera.
The area we enjoy the most is actually
right by the water with sea caves and
tide pools and such.
When you catch it at the right moment
on the right day, the colors of the
water and rocks and the atmosphere are simply
gorgeous.
You feel like you're in another world.
There's also a little beach section, pick attached,
before entering the cave, as well as more
hiking-looking locations along the way to the
sea caves, picture attached.
There are a lot more images on Google
search of Avalone Cove, too, but I hope
this gives you a general idea.
Let us know what you think.
Okay.
This is one of the photos she sent
me.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
So, we have lots of rocks, no trees,
and lots of dirt.
And I'm like, oh, my gosh.
So, I go to Google, and I'm like,
please, please, please, what am I working with?
So, I got a general idea of what
I'm working with, but I knew that I
had to arrive really early in advance to
see what am I working with and how
difficult is it going to be to shoot
in full sun.
You guys will see the video and how
that actually happened.
And I actually emailed the producer that night,
and I said, you know, we got through
the shoot and things ended well, but I
just want to let you know, like, in
the beginning of the footage, when I'm actually
walking around during the pre-shoot explaining what
I'm looking for, you might have to edit
some of that stuff out.
Because I was like, on camera, they're like,
okay, so tell us what you're thinking.
I'm like, what I'm thinking?
I can't do this right now.
I can't.
I can't do this.
I was like, my hair is like out
to here.
Like, the mic, it's like, and I was
like, I have nowhere to shoot.
What am I going to tell people?
I have nowhere.
So, I was like, just cut that out.
Okay.
So, now that it's said, it may or
may not make the edit, but I was
like, you will see me kind of just
be real, like, in that second and just
be like, I'm having a moment.
I don't know where to take these people.
And it was to such a degree that
I'm walking around, and JD's like, I think
you should just do this on yourself.
I will do this by myself.
I will find these locations by myself.
I was so worked up about it that
these are Google images that just didn't do
you any good.
What'd I respond?
This is gorgeous.
I will arrive early because it's gorgeous to
her.
Right?
The better experience she's having, the more she's
going to trust that I will be able
to document it.
I will arrive early to ensure that we
have a good understanding of how the shoot
will unfold.
But ideally, we'd love to end the shoot
at the tide pools in Cove area, setting
expectations.
Again, Sunset is slated, because there's a web
app, it's like, not a web app, a
website like SunsetSunrise.com, and I figured out
the date, the location, and then it'll give
you Sunrise Sunset.
Sunset is slated for around 7.30, so
we'll start at 5.30 p.m. sharp.
Because the cameras were coming with CreativeLive, I
decided to extend the shoot a little bit.
Otherwise, I would have started 30 minutes later
to keep the engagement session an hour to
an hour and a half.
That's, like, the time I think is the
best.
Anything beyond that, it becomes a little bit
more taxing.
Please let me know if you plan on
bringing changes of clothes, as this will help
me draft a perfect timeline.
If so, we'll shoot one outfit on the
trail in the leafier environment, or as much
as possible, and the second outfit will be
by the tide pools.
Let me know what you think, and we
can take things from there.
Here's my cell phone if you need anything
day of.
May I have your cell for emergency contact
only?
Can't wait.
Lastly, I need an exact address of where
we'll meet, just to make sure everything is
perfect.
Thank you, JSTAR.
Hi, Jasmine.
The only question, actually, still I had were
in regards to outfits.
Do you recommend having two outfits?
And should I wear white, or is that
what most people wear for a session like
this?
Given the setting, I didn't know if you
had some suggestions.
She's asking for help, so I need to
position myself in a place of authority by
saying, oh, yeah, I can totally answer all
of these questions.
Hi, Sam.
Yes, two outfits is nice for options.
Sometimes one outfit photograph is better than another,
or sometimes it's just nice to have a
variety.
Feel free to wear clothes that make you
feel gorgeous, amazing, and confident.
This is my biggest advice.
Are you guys seeing the pattern again?
I think this is the third time I'm
telling her, I want you to feel beautiful,
and I want you to feel confident.
Stay away from patterns that can be a
wee bit distracting.
You can absolutely wear white.
I love it.
But no, there isn't a set rule for
what should be worn at the engagement session.
The idea for the shoot is to make
you feel like the photos you receive look
like they could grace a magazine.
Oh, maybe like the knot.
So don't hesitate to get creative and have
fun.
Does anybody notice that I chose, let's see,
photos that they can look like a magazine,
because that's one of my words, editorial, and
creative and have fun, which is another one
of my words.
I'm preparing her for the types of photos
that I want.
If you need more help or insight, please
let me know.
I'm here for as little, as much advice
as you need.
If you'd like, we can loop in Jeannie,
her wedding coordinator, into the outfit conversation since
she's a legitimate fashionista.
I'm going to empower Jeannie, the coordinator, to
be part of the conversation if she so
chooses.
Now, Samantha responded and said, thank you, that
works.
The day of the engagement session, this is
what I send her.
Happy engagement session day.
I want to remind her.
I just want there to be no miscommunication.
I'm excited to meet you, and I know
great things are in store.
Here is my cell in case you need
to reach me.
Can you send me your cell in case
I need to reach you?
This is the second time that I asked
for it because she didn't give it to
me the first time.
I'll see you at 5.30 at Abalone
Cove.
She sent me her phone number, and that
was that, which was great because had I
not had her phone number, I would not
have been able to text her.
So, this is the dynamic.
You have now seen how I prepare my
clients.
You now will be able to fully understand
what went into preparing them as I shoot
the engagement session.
Now, these emails happened about two days, and
at this point in our relationship, I don't
know them too well yet.
But up until this point, she has said
that she thinks I'm the perfect photographer for
her based on nothing but online presence.
In a future lesson, I'm going to talk
to you about how the shoot unfolded, how
we got through those difficult things in the
beginning, and just like when she had sent
me those photos and then I responded and
said, it's gorgeous, the response was, oh my
gosh, it's so windy, but we're just going
to get some great windblown photos.
I mean, you have to put a silver
lining to every possible experience.
So, your homework.
What I want you to do is I
want you to make a list of ways
that you can prepare your clients for an
engagement session in advance.
Then what I want you to do is
to create a template that outlines your expectations,
that outlines your outline of the day, and
that outlines your prep tips.
Expectations, outline, and prep tips.
I have done this in a series of
email templates.
The thing that I hear the most from
photographers is they don't know how to put
words around what they always want to say
and almost 10 years into it, I've just
decided to create a little system.
You can find my personal preparation email templates
on jasminstar.com, jasminstarstore.com.
And lastly, what I want you to do
is I want you to exceed their expectations
by managing their expectations.
I want you to find ways to outline
the shoot and what the shoot will entail
to prepare you for the things that you
want.
Now, I think I'm off with my keynote,
just a little bit.
Oh, yeah, here we are.
Perfect.
Exceed expectations by managing your expectations.
Thank you, guys.
I'm excited to show you what the shoot
will actually look like.
And on that note, we can open it
up for questions and answers if you guys
have them.
Great.
So if we do have questions in regards
to preparing clients, we'll just make sure that
you guys have a mic.
Okay.
Yeah, so my question, it seemed like with
that email exchange, like that's pretty extensive.
And I can imagine that she really felt
taken care of after all of that interaction.
Full disclosure, I'm not great at that continual
interaction and getting back to somebody immediately with
that.
So I want to know, like, what would
your recommendation be to create kind of canned
templates and just do it that way or
to outsource?
Well, it depends.
It depends on what type of brand you
want to build.
In its most basic form, I believe that
you can build a personal brand and you
can build a business brand.
I have chosen to build a personal brand.
So to outsource my email, it would be
a disadvantage to me because people have become
accustomed to my voice and accustomed to the
emotional connection that we're creating prior to the
shoot.
On a side note, I want to heavily
encourage you that the generation of people getting
married mostly belong to the millennial generation.
The millennial generation has high values for constant
contact, quick and swift service, and personalization.
So if email is a pressure point for
you, then you need to say something needs
to change.
Maybe if you have a business brand as
opposed to a personal brand, you can turn
over that responsibility for email.
Or like what I do is I allocate
an hour and 10 minutes every single day
to email and that's where I start my
day.
I start my day with my inbox and
I will only do what I can get
through in an hour and 10 minutes.
I prioritize client emails go on top, family
emails go on bottom, business in the middle,
and business emails go on the bottom.
If I cannot finish all my emails in
an hour and 10 minutes, they get pushed
back to the next day.
But I can guarantee that my clients are
getting a personal response within 24 hours.
That is a high value point for a
lot of the brides that I am booking
because they're educated professionals, they're lawyers, they're doctors,
they're CPAs.
Now, they don't want to wait 24 hours
for it, and I think that it goes
back to creating the type of experience.
So if it's not something you're good at,
then I would take a step back.
Yes, abdicate the responsibility if you're building a
business brand, but if you're building a personal
brand, you need to just reshift your day
and say, these hours, nobody can talk to
me, I need to plow these through to
make sure my clients are taken care of.
Sorry.
Bummer, take care of my clients.
Are there any other questions?
We'll go Mike here, and then we'll go
back.
I guess this one ties into the same.
Do you see a benefit to using email
that extensively over just having a phone call?
Because my experience was I would just call
them, but then they would have no resource
to refer to if they were having questions
about the session.
So two things to that.
One, I think it's a generational thing.
I think that millennials value electronic communication.
And two, it's a legal thing.
The little law school that I did have
is like word of mouth is not admissible.
It's a he said, she said.
So I would prefer to have detailed email
exchanges.
We said 530.
If you show up at 630, no, we
said 530, and here it is in the
email.
I also don't communicate with my clients by
way of Facebook, and I try to limit
texting to a minimum, so much so that
Facebook has not been yet qualified as admissible
evidence, but email has if we ever got
into a legal altercation.
It has not got to that point, but
if a client texts me, because a lot
of clients prefer text, they'll say, oh, do
you think we can add an hour to
the wedding?
I go back to my inbox, and I'm
like, hey, Kim, so excited for your wedding.
I see that you texted me about adding
an hour.
Can you email me back just to approve,
and I will amend your invoice?
And she says, yep, great.
So email for me is always that thing.
Yes.
So my question goes back to responding right
away.
Do you ever find yourself needing or responding
on the weekend or after hours, and how
do you handle that when there's an expectation
to respond immediately?
Yes, that is an absolute great question.
So I respond to my clients within 24
hours, Monday through, I would say, maybe Saturday
morning if it's client.
And if a client emails me Saturday afternoon,
I don't feel the pressure unless if the
bride is not getting married in the next
seven days, I give myself latitude.
If a bride is getting married within seven
days, I respond to her email immediately because
I know what it felt like to be
a bride planning things, and to wait a
full day for a response was so overwhelming.
So I need to make sure that I'm
delivering exactly what she wants.
Now, if I'm working or if I'm not
working on that Saturday, I will respond to
the email on Monday and be like, hey,
thank you so much for your flexibility and
patience.
This weekend I usually work, which is opposite
schedules of what you have, but let's start
this Monday morning off addressing exactly what you
want.
Then I go into that.
So I set expectations.
No, I will not respond to text message
or answer my phone if it's from a
client after 6.30. No, you can't text
me at 10.30 and then expect a
response.
I'm not a girlfriend.
I'm a hired creative for your day.
We have a personal relationship, but not that
personal.
I need to draw that line.
Awesome.
I think there's another question.
Yes.
I don't know if I missed it, but
I was just going to ask, for locations,
do you always choose the location or do
you get your clients to choose them?
That's a great question.
Why do you choose to do it the
way you do?
I request that my clients all choose the
location because, and maybe this is just a
little bit of legalese in me, if they
are unhappy with the results, I never want
them to look back and be like, I
can't believe you recommended us going to the
beach.
Don't you know we're snowboarders?
No, I don't know where you're comfortable.
I don't know where you feel okay to
make out.
These are things, but it's really true.
I mean, it's true.
I actually don't want to at all be
responsible.
I would say, by and large, my clients
pick really cool places.
Not the engagement session that I did with
The Knot, but the one before it.
I had clients who reside in Los Angeles
and they said, do you think that we
can shoot in our backyard in our home?
I said, absolutely.
I would have never thought to say, let's
shoot in your home.
And when we got there, it was such
a great session because it felt entirely just
like them.
And that was like perfect.
There have been times where I get to
a location and I'm just like, oh man.
And I think there was a little bit
of that at the Knot engagement session where
I was just like, okay, there's not a
tree here.
It's like a big field and it's so
bright and it's so windy.
And then to get down to the beach,
it was like a steep climb down these
switchbacks.
And I'm like, oh my God, oh my
God, oh my God.
It wasn't until we were going down the
switchbacks that I literally saw like a two
foot by two foot pocket of shade.
And I was like, this is what I
exactly planned, you guys.
Stand right here in the shade.
And I was like, tight cropping.
So that's how I looked.
And I think that, yes, it could be
a potential disadvantage, but it also forces you
to stay on your toes.
It could be easy to be like, there's
this great park by my house.
And then you just go through the motions.
Like, you know the spots, you know the
light.
Here we go.
Rigmarole.
But I don't think you get stuff that
you're really proud of.
And I will say that I'm dang proud
of the Knot engagement session because it turned
out so much better than what I thought
it was going to.
And they were really happy.
And we're going to get into what that
looked like for them too.
That was a really good question.
Was there another question?
Yes.
I'm just curious if you have like a
scheduling software resource that you use to manage
all the dates and coordinate with the client.
No, JD, please.
Please.
Please.
That man is just like so chill.
Like so chill.
Like we share a Google calendar, but you
can see, and this is the answer, is
that we use a Google calendar, which is
not an advanced system, but it definitely works
for us.
And so I'm like, JD, anytime you do
anything, you must add to this calendar because
this is our master calendar.
It's like Homeboy will add like one thing
every four months.
So, no, he's not exactly our go-to
guy for organization.
So we talked about how I email clients
four weeks in advance to their engagement session.
Once we establish the engagement session, I will
back it up four weeks and write a
little note in my Google calendar.
Send Kim email engagement tips.
And then as we get to the wedding,
we're going to talk about pre-wedding workflow,
like the things that I would do.
The things that I need to do is
to four weeks, six weeks in front of
the wedding, I schedule it in my calendar.
Send email prep tips.
If I'm flying for a destination wedding and
I know that it's going to be a
destination wedding, I back up 90 days from
the point of which I need to leave
because that's traditionally the best prices that you
can get for tickets.
And I email my clients the day, like
91 days before I want to buy.
I'm like, hey guys, 90 days is traditionally
the best time to get domestic tickets.
So if tomorrow is approved by you, I'm
going to do a cross-reference.
I will send you an invoice according to
what I found and you guys can give
me the final approval.
So I have all of this done in
my Google calendar.
It's not extensive, but it definitely works.
Yes, we're going to bring a mic up
here.
Perfect.
We'll pass it on that way.
Thank you guys so much.
I just had a quick question about scheduling
engagement sessions.
Something I've been running into is couples wanting
to schedule their sessions on the weekends, and
I may be available, but I kind of
like to take advantage of the off-season
weekends.
How can I convey to them that I
would love to do them on the weekdays?
How do you work with that?
So after the client books me, I will
send them about a few weeks after because
I don't know how far in advance they
want to do the session.
So a few weeks after we book, I'm
like, hey, I just want to let you
guys know I know that your wedding is
in August.
Let me know what you guys have in
mind for the engagement session.
I shoot engagement sessions Monday through Thursday because
I'm usually working on the weekends.
By saying usually working, you're actually conveying, if
I'm not working on a wedding, I'll be
working with my husband and dog at a
park, you know, enjoying the sun.
So you set those parameters before because if
you say, when do you want to do
it?
And they're like, Saturday.
Oh, I can't do Saturday.
Sunday.
Oh, I can't do it.
Instead of saying no, you set the parameters
first, and then take it from there.
Thank you guys so much.
These are awesome questions.
Thank you.
Awesome.
Thank you.
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