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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,103 --> 00:00:07,448 -♪ Hey, everybody, have you heard the news? ♪ 2 00:00:07,551 --> 00:00:10,896 ♪ Joe Bob is back in town ♪ 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,724 ♪ He's over at the drive-in, hanging around ♪ 4 00:00:14,827 --> 00:00:17,827 ♪ Watching crazy movies, so come on down ♪ 5 00:00:17,931 --> 00:00:21,965 ♪ To Joe Bob's "Last Drive-In" show ♪ 6 00:00:22,068 --> 00:00:25,586 ♪ Blood, beasties, boobies, and more ♪ 7 00:00:25,689 --> 00:00:28,827 ♪ Joe Bob's "Last Drive-In" show ♪ 8 00:00:28,931 --> 00:00:32,724 ♪ It's a spooky good time with monsters and ghosts ♪ 9 00:00:32,827 --> 00:00:36,448 ♪ Crazy, kooky fun with the world's greatest host ♪ 10 00:00:36,551 --> 00:00:38,551 ♪ Joe Bob's "Last Drive-In" show ♪ 11 00:00:38,655 --> 00:00:40,034 ♪ It's gonna be legendary ♪ 12 00:00:40,137 --> 00:00:42,241 ♪ Joe Bob's "Last Drive-In" show ♪ 13 00:00:42,344 --> 00:00:43,758 ♪ It's gonna be very scary ♪ 14 00:00:43,862 --> 00:00:46,689 ♪ Joe Bob's "Last Drive-In" show ♪ 15 00:00:46,793 --> 00:00:48,000 ♪ Let's go ♪ 16 00:01:04,448 --> 00:01:06,275 -"Feast your eyes, 17 00:01:06,379 --> 00:01:07,931 glut your soul 18 00:01:08,034 --> 00:01:11,413 on my accursed ugliness." -Yeah. 19 00:01:11,517 --> 00:01:14,551 -Is that the most famous title card in movie history? 20 00:01:14,655 --> 00:01:16,551 It's too bad we never got to hear Lon Chaney 21 00:01:16,655 --> 00:01:19,034 actually speak it, because apparently he was quite 22 00:01:19,137 --> 00:01:21,034 a thespian on the live stage. 23 00:01:21,137 --> 00:01:23,344 But happy birthday, "Phantom of the Opera." 24 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,620 It has been a 100 years, and we are here tonight to celebrate 25 00:01:27,724 --> 00:01:30,724 what most people regard as the greatest American horror flick 26 00:01:30,827 --> 00:01:32,000 of the silent era. 27 00:01:32,103 --> 00:01:33,793 It's actually the movie 28 00:01:33,896 --> 00:01:35,172 that took the horror business away from Germany 29 00:01:35,275 --> 00:01:37,517 and brought it back to America, where it belongs. 30 00:01:37,620 --> 00:01:39,172 -Whoo! -"Feast your eyes, 31 00:01:39,275 --> 00:01:42,206 glut your soul on my accursed ugliness," 32 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:45,896 are the words of Lon Chaney when his mask is ripped off. 33 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,896 And Lon Chaney is the first, last, and only movie monster 34 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,620 who did his own makeup. 35 00:01:50,724 --> 00:01:53,379 And he was so determined to create his accursed ugliness 36 00:01:53,482 --> 00:01:56,172 on screen that he actually tortured himself. 37 00:01:56,275 --> 00:01:58,965 He mangled his own face to get the result that he wanted. 38 00:01:59,068 --> 00:02:00,931 I don't know how many film versions of "Phantom" 39 00:02:01,034 --> 00:02:02,482 exist today. 40 00:02:02,586 --> 00:02:04,551 More than 30, I think. -At least, yeah. 41 00:02:04,655 --> 00:02:06,482 -But I don't think any of them 42 00:02:06,586 --> 00:02:09,103 come anywhere close to Chaney in terms of makeup. 43 00:02:09,206 --> 00:02:11,172 He was actually a good-looking man, 44 00:02:11,275 --> 00:02:13,172 unrecognizable under that makeup. 45 00:02:13,275 --> 00:02:15,034 Has anybody ever done better, Darcy? 46 00:02:15,137 --> 00:02:16,827 -No, never. 47 00:02:16,931 --> 00:02:18,137 -Darcy the Mail Girl, ladies and gentlemen. 48 00:02:18,241 --> 00:02:19,793 Ah. 49 00:02:19,896 --> 00:02:21,482 -One of the most die-hard "Phantom of the Opera" fans 50 00:02:21,586 --> 00:02:23,275 in the universe, ready to preside over 51 00:02:23,379 --> 00:02:25,413 social media for the centennial. 52 00:02:25,517 --> 00:02:27,310 Send in your tweets, your e-mails, your DMs, 53 00:02:27,413 --> 00:02:29,724 your Instas, your TikToks. 54 00:02:29,827 --> 00:02:31,862 How many times have you watched "Phantom"? 55 00:02:31,965 --> 00:02:33,413 -Oh, gosh, I don't know. 56 00:02:33,517 --> 00:02:36,103 Like at least 50. -50? Damn. 57 00:02:36,206 --> 00:02:37,517 -At leas, yeah. They used to show it 58 00:02:37,620 --> 00:02:40,034 at the Silent Movie Theater in LA. 59 00:02:40,137 --> 00:02:41,896 -And you were a regular there, right? 60 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,034 Do they still have that? The Silent Movie Theater? 61 00:02:44,137 --> 00:02:45,862 -No, actually, the theater is still there, 62 00:02:45,965 --> 00:02:48,724 but they went out of business back in 2017. 63 00:02:48,827 --> 00:02:50,827 I tried to buy it, actually. 64 00:02:50,931 --> 00:02:52,517 -You tried to buy it? -It's a long story. Anyway. 65 00:02:52,620 --> 00:02:54,241 -Well, Darcy, I had no idea. 66 00:02:54,344 --> 00:02:57,206 You really do love silent film. -I do. 67 00:02:57,310 --> 00:03:00,034 -And you told me that you have actually touched 68 00:03:00,137 --> 00:03:01,724 Lon Chaney's makeup case? 69 00:03:01,827 --> 00:03:03,793 -Oh, gosh, no, I didn't touch it. 70 00:03:03,896 --> 00:03:06,275 I went to the museum to look at it. 71 00:03:06,379 --> 00:03:08,551 -That new Academy Museum I've been wanting to go...? 72 00:03:08,655 --> 00:03:10,172 -Yeah. No, wait. 73 00:03:10,275 --> 00:03:11,758 Actually, the makeup case is actually 74 00:03:11,862 --> 00:03:13,758 at the Natural History Museum. 75 00:03:13,862 --> 00:03:16,310 - The one with the dinosaurs? - Yes. 76 00:03:16,413 --> 00:03:17,862 -The La Brea Tar Pits and all that? 77 00:03:17,965 --> 00:03:19,517 -That's the one. 78 00:03:19,620 --> 00:03:21,379 -So they consider Lon Chaney's makeup 79 00:03:21,482 --> 00:03:23,137 part of naturalhistory? 80 00:03:23,241 --> 00:03:25,068 -Obviously. Yes. 81 00:03:25,172 --> 00:03:26,896 -See, that's how awesome he is. 82 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,206 California school children go to the museum 83 00:03:29,310 --> 00:03:31,551 and they learn, "Hey, here's a T-Rex. 84 00:03:31,655 --> 00:03:32,931 Here's a triceratops. 85 00:03:33,034 --> 00:03:34,793 And here, boys and girls, 86 00:03:34,896 --> 00:03:37,551 is the makeup kit of horror actor Lon Chaney, 87 00:03:37,655 --> 00:03:39,379 because he changed the world with that makeup." 88 00:03:39,482 --> 00:03:41,344 Seriously, why do they have it there? 89 00:03:41,448 --> 00:03:43,172 -It's LA. 90 00:03:43,275 --> 00:03:45,068 -That's your explanation for a lot of things. 91 00:03:45,172 --> 00:03:47,034 -It's LA. -"It's LA." 92 00:03:47,137 --> 00:03:49,931 How many actors today in major motion pictures 93 00:03:50,034 --> 00:03:52,344 do their own special-effects makeup? 94 00:03:52,448 --> 00:03:54,413 -Zero. 95 00:03:54,517 --> 00:03:58,068 -Have there been any actors other than him that do that? 96 00:03:58,172 --> 00:03:59,965 -Um, I think there are a few, 97 00:04:00,068 --> 00:04:01,862 but they're more in, like, the low-budget pictures. 98 00:04:01,965 --> 00:04:03,965 It's not -- often you don't have a choice. 99 00:04:04,068 --> 00:04:05,965 You just have to make it work yourself. 100 00:04:06,068 --> 00:04:08,758 -Because Jack Pierce did all the Universal monsters, 101 00:04:08,862 --> 00:04:10,379 but he never did Chaney. 102 00:04:10,482 --> 00:04:13,241 I think he consulted on the Chaney films, 103 00:04:13,344 --> 00:04:14,793 but he didn't do the actual makeup. 104 00:04:14,896 --> 00:04:16,586 -And I think Lon Chaney directed 105 00:04:16,689 --> 00:04:18,448 the reveal scene of his makeup. 106 00:04:18,551 --> 00:04:19,896 -I have heard that story. -Yeah. 107 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,000 -when Christine rips off the Phantom's mask, 108 00:04:23,103 --> 00:04:25,241 supposedly, Mary Philbin, who played Christine, 109 00:04:25,344 --> 00:04:27,724 was not reacting in the right way, 110 00:04:27,827 --> 00:04:30,965 so Cheney waited till Rupert Julian, the director, 111 00:04:31,068 --> 00:04:33,655 went home for the day. Cheney hated Rupert Julian. 112 00:04:33,758 --> 00:04:34,931 He wouldn't talk to him. 113 00:04:35,034 --> 00:04:36,620 The cinematographer had to carry messages 114 00:04:36,724 --> 00:04:38,379 back and forth between the two men. 115 00:04:38,482 --> 00:04:41,689 So Cheney waits till Julian is gone for the day, 116 00:04:41,793 --> 00:04:43,103 and he calls the crew back together, 117 00:04:43,206 --> 00:04:45,103 and he improvs with Mary Philbin 118 00:04:45,206 --> 00:04:48,620 until he gets the exact reaction to the makeup that he wants. 119 00:04:48,724 --> 00:04:50,724 Anyway, I'm still a little boggled by the fact 120 00:04:50,827 --> 00:04:53,310 that you were a regular at the Silent Movie Theater. 121 00:04:53,413 --> 00:04:55,379 -What? Why? -I guess -- I guess that was 122 00:04:55,482 --> 00:04:56,655 the last place in the world 123 00:04:56,758 --> 00:04:58,931 that was still showing silent films, right? 124 00:04:59,034 --> 00:05:01,206 -I don't know about that, but It was a really great place. 125 00:05:01,310 --> 00:05:02,758 I loved it. 126 00:05:02,862 --> 00:05:04,482 -One of the real tragedies of history 127 00:05:04,586 --> 00:05:07,551 is that 80% of the silent films are lost. 128 00:05:07,655 --> 00:05:09,586 And actually, the version of "Phantom of the Opera" 129 00:05:09,689 --> 00:05:11,620 that we're about to watch tonight 130 00:05:11,724 --> 00:05:13,931 is not the original version seen at the official premiere 131 00:05:14,034 --> 00:05:15,724 at the Astor Theatre in Times Square 132 00:05:15,827 --> 00:05:17,965 on September the 6th, 1925. 133 00:05:18,068 --> 00:05:20,206 That version does not exist anymore. 134 00:05:20,310 --> 00:05:22,793 It's lost. Um, I'll get to that later. 135 00:05:22,896 --> 00:05:24,344 And actually, the original version is not 136 00:05:24,448 --> 00:05:25,931 really the original version. 137 00:05:26,034 --> 00:05:27,931 The very first version of "Phantom" 138 00:05:28,034 --> 00:05:30,448 was shown at the 2,000-seat California Theatre 139 00:05:30,551 --> 00:05:33,793 in downtown LA on January 7th of that year. 140 00:05:33,896 --> 00:05:36,000 And the audience hated it. 141 00:05:36,103 --> 00:05:38,448 So universal did re-shoots and re-edits 142 00:05:38,551 --> 00:05:40,413 and showed it again three weeks later, 143 00:05:40,517 --> 00:05:42,896 and the test audience hated it even more. 144 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,448 And do you know the reason 145 00:05:44,551 --> 00:05:46,344 that the test audiences hated the movie, Darcy? 146 00:05:46,448 --> 00:05:48,896 -Uh, because they didn't like Christine kissing 147 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,034 the Phantom at the end. 148 00:05:50,137 --> 00:05:52,448 -Exactly. But not only that, 149 00:05:52,551 --> 00:05:53,758 they didn't think the Phantom should be allowed 150 00:05:53,862 --> 00:05:56,862 to liveat the end of the movie. 151 00:05:56,965 --> 00:05:59,482 -I love the Phantom. The Phantom is a badass. 152 00:05:59,586 --> 00:06:02,275 -Well, the original audiences in 1925 thought 153 00:06:02,379 --> 00:06:04,862 that he deserved nothing less than the death penalty. 154 00:06:04,965 --> 00:06:06,379 -'Cause he's ugly. 155 00:06:06,482 --> 00:06:08,517 -So Carl Laemmle, the head of Universal, 156 00:06:08,620 --> 00:06:10,620 told Rupert Julian to change the ending. 157 00:06:10,724 --> 00:06:12,827 And Rupert Julian didn't want to do it. 158 00:06:12,931 --> 00:06:15,482 He pointed out that the Phantom does not die 159 00:06:15,586 --> 00:06:19,206 at the end of Gaston Leroux's novel. 160 00:06:19,310 --> 00:06:22,551 There's a suggestion that maybe he commits suicide much later. 161 00:06:22,655 --> 00:06:24,793 But really, it doesn't matter, because in the novel, 162 00:06:24,896 --> 00:06:27,586 he redeems himself after Christine kisses him. 163 00:06:27,689 --> 00:06:30,241 He feels the power of unconditional love, 164 00:06:30,344 --> 00:06:34,310 and it's so powerful that he tells Christine to marry Raoul, 165 00:06:34,413 --> 00:06:37,655 and the test audiences said, "Fuck unconditional love! 166 00:06:37,758 --> 00:06:39,068 Murder his ass!" 167 00:06:39,172 --> 00:06:40,896 And so they took a subplot, 168 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,137 and they kind of wedged it into the main story, 169 00:06:43,241 --> 00:06:45,379 and they had Edward Sedgwick direct it. 170 00:06:45,482 --> 00:06:47,379 He normally did quickie Westerns. 171 00:06:47,482 --> 00:06:50,551 And once you had the Phantom being killed by a mob, 172 00:06:50,655 --> 00:06:52,379 the movie tested through the roof 173 00:06:52,482 --> 00:06:54,206 and actually became the most successful movie 174 00:06:54,310 --> 00:06:56,379 in Universal history up to that time. 175 00:06:56,482 --> 00:06:57,413 -People are awful. 176 00:06:57,517 --> 00:06:59,517 -True. And that's my point, 177 00:06:59,620 --> 00:07:04,931 because apparently the Phantom has to die because...he's ugly? 178 00:07:05,034 --> 00:07:07,482 He can't redeem himself. He's too ugly. 179 00:07:07,586 --> 00:07:10,724 So tonight, we're celebrating the 100th anniversary 180 00:07:10,827 --> 00:07:14,137 of the movie that explores the theme of ugliness. 181 00:07:14,241 --> 00:07:17,448 And, 'cause there are lots of reasons to hate the Phantom. 182 00:07:17,551 --> 00:07:20,586 He's sneaky, he's violent, he's controlling, 183 00:07:20,689 --> 00:07:22,965 he's willing to commit murder to get what he wants. 184 00:07:23,068 --> 00:07:26,517 But the main reason audiences hate him is he's ugly. 185 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:28,724 So in Gaston Leroux's book, 186 00:07:28,827 --> 00:07:31,689 he's described as a "living skull," 187 00:07:31,793 --> 00:07:34,068 and Chaney tried to live up to that description. 188 00:07:34,172 --> 00:07:36,586 He raised his cheekbones with cotton 189 00:07:36,689 --> 00:07:40,000 stuffed inside his mouth and collodion on the outside. 190 00:07:40,103 --> 00:07:43,000 Collodion is a very flammable, syrupy substance 191 00:07:43,103 --> 00:07:45,758 that creates the appearance of scarred skin when it dries. 192 00:07:45,862 --> 00:07:48,448 He glued his ears to the side of his head. 193 00:07:48,551 --> 00:07:51,793 He used a skull cap to make his forehead several inches higher, 194 00:07:51,896 --> 00:07:54,724 and then he flat-pressed stringy, black hair across it. 195 00:07:54,827 --> 00:07:58,137 He exaggerated the creases in his brow with a black pencil. 196 00:07:58,241 --> 00:08:00,310 He painted the outer parts of his eye sockets black, 197 00:08:00,413 --> 00:08:02,310 and then he put white highlights around that 198 00:08:02,413 --> 00:08:04,241 to make it look like a skeleton head. 199 00:08:04,344 --> 00:08:06,137 He used a rotting set of false teeth 200 00:08:06,241 --> 00:08:07,620 and put prongs in them 201 00:08:07,724 --> 00:08:09,517 to hold his mouth open wide at all times. 202 00:08:09,620 --> 00:08:12,137 He distorted his lips and face with grease paint, 203 00:08:12,241 --> 00:08:13,965 and worst of all, 204 00:08:14,068 --> 00:08:16,000 he put putty around his nose to sharpen the angle, 205 00:08:16,103 --> 00:08:19,275 and then he inserted two loops of wire into his nostrils 206 00:08:19,379 --> 00:08:21,000 to make them flare. 207 00:08:21,103 --> 00:08:23,413 Then he attached additional wires to his nose 208 00:08:23,517 --> 00:08:26,000 and the skull cap hidden by putty 209 00:08:26,103 --> 00:08:28,310 to yank those nostrils upward. 210 00:08:28,413 --> 00:08:30,862 So all of these effects were quite painful, 211 00:08:30,965 --> 00:08:32,724 and in some scenes they had to stop shooting 212 00:08:32,827 --> 00:08:34,758 because of his bleeding. 213 00:08:34,862 --> 00:08:38,517 The makeup was so shocking and so integral to the story 214 00:08:38,620 --> 00:08:40,310 that Carl Laemmle gave strict orders 215 00:08:40,413 --> 00:08:42,172 that no pictures of the Phantom 216 00:08:42,275 --> 00:08:44,137 would be released prior to the opening of the film. 217 00:08:44,241 --> 00:08:46,344 So, Darcy... -Yes. 218 00:08:46,448 --> 00:08:48,137 -...do you think the Lon Chaney Phantom is 219 00:08:48,241 --> 00:08:50,000 the definition of ugly? 220 00:08:50,103 --> 00:08:52,551 -What? No, of course not. He's beautiful. 221 00:08:52,655 --> 00:08:54,586 And, Christine -- let's be real. 222 00:08:54,689 --> 00:08:57,137 She is a bitch for freaking out that much when he's unmasked. 223 00:08:57,241 --> 00:08:59,241 Like, for real. Then later, oh, my God, 224 00:08:59,344 --> 00:09:01,758 when she stops to wonder if she should destroy 225 00:09:01,862 --> 00:09:04,551 the whole city rather than hook up with an uggo? 226 00:09:04,655 --> 00:09:06,068 Girl, come on. 227 00:09:06,172 --> 00:09:07,241 That bugs me so much. 228 00:09:07,344 --> 00:09:08,379 -All right. Yeah, I agree with you 229 00:09:08,482 --> 00:09:09,931 that the moral choices of Christine 230 00:09:10,034 --> 00:09:11,620 never get questioned, do they? Uh, but -- 231 00:09:11,724 --> 00:09:13,034 -I'm questioning it. 232 00:09:13,137 --> 00:09:15,103 -Because she's beautiful, and the -- 233 00:09:15,206 --> 00:09:17,517 and in the opinion of most people, he is not beautiful. 234 00:09:17,620 --> 00:09:18,655 All right. -That's messed up. 235 00:09:18,758 --> 00:09:20,034 -Here's what we're gonna do, though. 236 00:09:20,137 --> 00:09:22,862 We're gonna spend the night deciding what is ugly, 237 00:09:22,965 --> 00:09:24,551 as horror professionals, 238 00:09:24,655 --> 00:09:28,000 because if you're, say, a fashion designer 239 00:09:28,103 --> 00:09:30,448 or really anybody dealing with body products, 240 00:09:30,551 --> 00:09:32,206 you have to constantly ask yourself the question, 241 00:09:32,310 --> 00:09:34,068 "What is beautiful?" 242 00:09:34,172 --> 00:09:36,206 And our idea of what is beautiful changes over time. 243 00:09:36,310 --> 00:09:38,517 And different cultures have different ideas of beauty. 244 00:09:38,620 --> 00:09:39,896 So I assume that different cultures have 245 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,689 different ideas of ugly as well. 246 00:09:43,310 --> 00:09:45,172 When you adapt the Gaston Leroux no vel to the screen, 247 00:09:45,275 --> 00:09:46,793 the first thing you have to decide is, 248 00:09:46,896 --> 00:09:49,103 what do we want the Phantom to look like 249 00:09:49,206 --> 00:09:50,620 when he gets unmasked? 250 00:09:50,724 --> 00:09:52,517 Because the novel makes it clear 251 00:09:52,620 --> 00:09:54,344 that he's the smartest person in the world, 252 00:09:54,448 --> 00:09:56,724 he's the most resourceful person in the world, 253 00:09:56,827 --> 00:10:00,379 the most talented magician, most talented architect, 254 00:10:00,482 --> 00:10:01,965 performer, engineer. 255 00:10:02,068 --> 00:10:03,862 He can do anything, 256 00:10:03,965 --> 00:10:06,827 but he happens to be the ugliest person in the world. 257 00:10:06,931 --> 00:10:08,655 Not because something happened to him. 258 00:10:08,758 --> 00:10:10,379 He was just born that way. 259 00:10:10,482 --> 00:10:12,482 So this is a dream project for whoever does 260 00:10:12,586 --> 00:10:14,068 the special-effects makeup. 261 00:10:14,172 --> 00:10:15,379 You're gonna go crazy on ugliness, 262 00:10:15,482 --> 00:10:17,068 but when you do that, 263 00:10:17,172 --> 00:10:19,137 you're gonna reveal things about yourself 264 00:10:19,241 --> 00:10:22,137 'cause it's just what you find to be the definition of ugly. 265 00:10:22,241 --> 00:10:25,586 So at the first break, I'm gonna bring out Shane Morton. 266 00:10:25,689 --> 00:10:27,862 Whoo! 267 00:10:27,965 --> 00:10:30,724 -Shane does production design for us, makeup, 268 00:10:30,827 --> 00:10:33,241 art direction, set building here at "The Last Drive-In." 269 00:10:33,344 --> 00:10:35,206 He is a man of many talents. 270 00:10:35,310 --> 00:10:39,275 And I am gonna ask Shane to take a lucky volunteer 271 00:10:39,379 --> 00:10:41,000 and ugly him up during the show. 272 00:10:41,103 --> 00:10:43,620 But not just any volunteer. 273 00:10:43,724 --> 00:10:46,724 Shane is going to apply makeup to Spencer Charnas, 274 00:10:46,827 --> 00:10:48,827 founder and frontman of Ice Nine Kills, 275 00:10:48,931 --> 00:10:50,758 the horror-themed metal band. 276 00:10:50,862 --> 00:10:53,068 They are now touring with Metallica, in fact... 277 00:10:53,172 --> 00:10:55,310 -Whoo! -...and putting out awesome albums. 278 00:10:55,413 --> 00:10:57,689 They just have one awesome album after another. 279 00:10:57,793 --> 00:10:59,620 And the reason I chose Spencer is that 280 00:10:59,724 --> 00:11:01,827 he's one of the best-looking guys in show business. 281 00:11:01,931 --> 00:11:03,862 Classic good looks. 282 00:11:03,965 --> 00:11:06,103 And so it's an especially tough challenge for Shane 283 00:11:06,206 --> 00:11:08,275 to turn him into the world's ugliest human being. 284 00:11:08,379 --> 00:11:11,000 Okay. And then while we're doing that, 285 00:11:11,103 --> 00:11:13,793 I'm also gonna be showing various photos of actors 286 00:11:13,896 --> 00:11:15,965 who have played the Phantom throughout history 287 00:11:16,068 --> 00:11:19,586 so that we can see what they perceive to be ugly, 288 00:11:19,689 --> 00:11:22,965 hideous, revolting. 289 00:11:24,931 --> 00:11:26,827 Supposedly, the Lon Chaney makeup made women 290 00:11:26,931 --> 00:11:29,172 faint from shock. 291 00:11:29,275 --> 00:11:31,206 So if he could do that in 1925, 292 00:11:31,310 --> 00:11:33,689 let's see what these guys could do in subsequent generations 293 00:11:33,793 --> 00:11:36,310 when they had a lot more tools at their disposal. 294 00:11:36,413 --> 00:11:39,517 Like, okay, look at this one. Put it up, Austin. 295 00:11:39,620 --> 00:11:44,827 This is the face of Claude Rains in the 1943 remake. 296 00:11:44,931 --> 00:11:48,068 Jack Pierce was really motivated to just destroy the face, 297 00:11:48,172 --> 00:11:49,862 but the studio said no, 298 00:11:49,965 --> 00:11:51,862 they didn't want the makeup to be too intense. 299 00:11:51,965 --> 00:11:55,482 So, and they even created a ridiculous backstory 300 00:11:55,586 --> 00:11:57,344 about the Phantom being a frustrated composer 301 00:11:57,448 --> 00:11:59,034 who strangles a music publisher, 302 00:11:59,137 --> 00:12:00,827 and that causes the publisher's assistant 303 00:12:00,931 --> 00:12:02,655 to throw acid in his face. 304 00:12:02,758 --> 00:12:04,310 Gaston Leroux would have hated that. 305 00:12:04,413 --> 00:12:07,413 The whole idea is that the Phantom is born ugly. 306 00:12:07,517 --> 00:12:09,965 He's not unlucky. He's not a victim. 307 00:12:10,068 --> 00:12:11,689 The only thing that distinguishes him 308 00:12:11,793 --> 00:12:13,344 from all other men is that he was born 309 00:12:13,448 --> 00:12:15,206 with an unattractive face. 310 00:12:15,310 --> 00:12:17,620 So what do you think of the Claude Rains makeup, Darcy? 311 00:12:17,724 --> 00:12:19,931 -He's just a handsome man with a really big scar. 312 00:12:20,034 --> 00:12:22,482 -Exactly. And remember this one? 313 00:12:22,586 --> 00:12:24,482 -Oh, my God. Gerard Butler in the musical? 314 00:12:24,586 --> 00:12:26,068 Give me a fricking break, man. 315 00:12:26,172 --> 00:12:28,896 -I think it's even less glopola than the Claude Rains makeup. 316 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,862 -Yeah. Get out of here, Gerard Butler. 317 00:12:30,965 --> 00:12:32,724 How can we possibly think that's a hideous monster? 318 00:12:32,827 --> 00:12:33,758 -Come on. -Yeah. They weren't trying 319 00:12:33,862 --> 00:12:35,517 very hard in the musical. -No. 320 00:12:35,620 --> 00:12:37,137 -What do you think is ugly? 321 00:12:37,241 --> 00:12:39,482 -Oh, wow. That is a very deep question. 322 00:12:39,586 --> 00:12:41,896 -Well, it is, but it's the question for tonight, 323 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,206 so take some time to think that over. 324 00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:46,206 -All right. -Let's get this party started. 325 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:48,862 We are about to watch the sensitive story of a musician, 326 00:12:48,965 --> 00:12:52,241 engineer, architect, magician who lives five levels down 327 00:12:52,344 --> 00:12:54,517 from the Garnier Opera House in Paris, 328 00:12:54,620 --> 00:12:56,413 next to an underground lake 329 00:12:56,517 --> 00:12:58,206 where he hides his hideous face from civilization 330 00:12:58,310 --> 00:12:59,793 with his movements causing rumors 331 00:12:59,896 --> 00:13:01,827 that there's a ghost in the building. 332 00:13:01,931 --> 00:13:03,448 Unfortunately for everybody in the cast, 333 00:13:03,551 --> 00:13:05,482 but fortunately for the story, 334 00:13:05,586 --> 00:13:08,068 he falls in love with a young opera singer named Christine 335 00:13:08,172 --> 00:13:10,275 and manipulates everything above ground to make sure that, 336 00:13:10,379 --> 00:13:14,034 "A," she becomes famous and "B," he possesses her. 337 00:13:14,137 --> 00:13:16,413 Now, you would think it would be easier to possess her 338 00:13:16,517 --> 00:13:17,931 if she does not become famous. 339 00:13:18,034 --> 00:13:19,931 But the Phantom logic is mysterious 340 00:13:20,034 --> 00:13:23,344 because of his own great talent as a singer and musician, 341 00:13:23,448 --> 00:13:25,448 the Phantom is able to coach her to greatness 342 00:13:25,551 --> 00:13:27,413 without ever revealing his own face. 343 00:13:27,517 --> 00:13:30,379 Meanwhile, a boring but handsome young count falls in love 344 00:13:30,482 --> 00:13:32,931 with her as well, causing her great anguish 345 00:13:33,034 --> 00:13:34,724 as she's forced to choose between the man 346 00:13:34,827 --> 00:13:38,724 who controls her career and the man who's hot. 347 00:13:38,827 --> 00:13:41,275 Christine really agonizes over that, 348 00:13:41,379 --> 00:13:45,275 and the stakes get higher and higher as the bodies pile up. 349 00:13:45,379 --> 00:13:47,103 Does that about sum it up, Darcy? 350 00:13:47,206 --> 00:13:49,724 -Not really, but Christine is a little bit of an airhead, 351 00:13:49,827 --> 00:13:52,034 don't you think? -I would agree with that, actually. 352 00:13:52,137 --> 00:13:53,793 Mary Philbin was that actress. 353 00:13:53,896 --> 00:13:56,517 Not an airhead in real life, but yeah. 354 00:13:56,620 --> 00:13:59,241 So let's look at those Drive-In Totals and get started. 355 00:13:59,344 --> 00:14:01,034 We have... 356 00:14:51,137 --> 00:14:53,172 Drive-In Academy Award nominations for... 357 00:14:53,275 --> 00:14:55,931 Arthur Edmund Carewe as Inspector Ledoux 358 00:14:56,034 --> 00:14:57,862 for wearing a fez and black eyeliner 359 00:14:57,965 --> 00:14:59,379 and getting away with it. 360 00:14:59,482 --> 00:15:02,586 Norman Kerry as the Vicomte Raoul de Chagny 361 00:15:02,689 --> 00:15:06,448 for chasing after Christine and for owning a barouche. 362 00:15:06,551 --> 00:15:10,137 Mary Philbin as Christine Daaé for heaving her bosom 363 00:15:10,241 --> 00:15:12,000 and for deciding that being an opera star 364 00:15:12,103 --> 00:15:14,344 isn't worth a relationship with the Phantom. 365 00:15:14,448 --> 00:15:16,724 And, of course, Lon Chaney, 366 00:15:16,827 --> 00:15:19,448 the Man of a Thousand Faces, as the Phantom 367 00:15:19,551 --> 00:15:22,000 for creating the Phantom's iconic look 368 00:15:22,103 --> 00:15:24,034 and for doing more with his hands and eyes 369 00:15:24,137 --> 00:15:26,206 than many actors could do with words. 370 00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:30,586 Four stars. Joe Bob says, check it out. 371 00:15:30,689 --> 00:15:33,000 -Yay. 372 00:15:33,103 --> 00:15:34,551 -I'll tell you what's ugly. 373 00:15:34,655 --> 00:15:36,137 -Yeah? 374 00:15:36,241 --> 00:15:37,482 -I was just reminded of it. 375 00:15:37,586 --> 00:15:39,517 The Astor Theatre, 376 00:15:39,620 --> 00:15:41,896 where this movie premiered, 377 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,793 and three other theaters on Times Square 378 00:15:44,896 --> 00:15:49,344 were all torn down so they could build the Marriott Marquis. 379 00:15:49,448 --> 00:15:51,103 Have you been in the Marriott Marquis? 380 00:15:51,206 --> 00:15:52,793 That high-rise with the atrium 381 00:15:52,896 --> 00:15:54,620 where people periodically commit suicide? 382 00:15:54,724 --> 00:15:58,000 Far be it from me to criticize the Marriott Corporation, 383 00:15:58,103 --> 00:15:59,793 but really?! 384 00:15:59,896 --> 00:16:02,103 FourTheater District theaters? 385 00:16:02,206 --> 00:16:04,034 are we really better off that we have a high-rise 386 00:16:04,137 --> 00:16:05,482 where people can get a better view 387 00:16:05,586 --> 00:16:08,896 of Ryan Seacrest once a year? 388 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,448 -Are you asking me? -Yes. 389 00:16:10,551 --> 00:16:14,000 -Oh, um, Ryan Seacrest is fine. 390 00:16:14,103 --> 00:16:17,000 -Four classic Broadway theaters, Darcy! 391 00:16:17,103 --> 00:16:20,413 So you can order a $30 cocktail in a revolving restaurant! 392 00:16:20,517 --> 00:16:22,000 -Oh, yes. That -- That is sad. 393 00:16:22,103 --> 00:16:23,931 -It's abominable, Darcy! It's an outrage! 394 00:16:24,034 --> 00:16:26,413 -It's true. Calm down, Man. -I can't! 395 00:34:06,655 --> 00:34:08,724 -I've never seen you wear a hat like that before. 396 00:34:08,827 --> 00:34:10,827 -Oh, yeah. 397 00:34:10,931 --> 00:34:12,758 This is called a straw boater. 398 00:34:12,862 --> 00:34:14,137 Popular in the '20s. 399 00:34:14,241 --> 00:34:16,034 I was trying to get a look 400 00:34:16,137 --> 00:34:20,448 that was like the 1925 premiere of "Phantom of the opera." 401 00:34:20,551 --> 00:34:23,862 And so, you know, tweed -- like, Yale fraternity is what this is. 402 00:34:23,965 --> 00:34:25,310 -Yeah. -And then the jodhpurs. 403 00:34:25,413 --> 00:34:27,517 Erich von Stroheim. You know, they wore these. 404 00:34:27,620 --> 00:34:30,275 They have thighs, giant thighs. I don't know why. 405 00:34:30,379 --> 00:34:32,241 -Nice. -Anyway, what is your -- 406 00:34:32,344 --> 00:34:33,482 what are you going for here? 407 00:34:33,586 --> 00:34:36,655 -Oh, well, I was attempting '20s flapper. 408 00:34:36,758 --> 00:34:38,275 Didn't... -That's flappery. 409 00:34:38,379 --> 00:34:39,862 -I mean, it's flapper adjacent. 410 00:34:39,965 --> 00:34:41,931 -No, that qualifies as flapper. 411 00:34:42,034 --> 00:34:43,689 -We're '20s-y. -Yeah. 412 00:34:43,793 --> 00:34:44,896 -More or less. 413 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,965 -Lot going on in these early scenes, 414 00:34:47,068 --> 00:34:49,620 which appear to have been shot in the actual Paris Opera House, 415 00:34:49,724 --> 00:34:52,137 but actually, they built the Paris Opera House 416 00:34:52,241 --> 00:34:55,310 on the Universal backlot! Stage 28, 417 00:34:55,413 --> 00:34:57,931 where they constructed the interior of the Paris Opera, 418 00:34:58,034 --> 00:35:00,137 plus the grand staircase made of marble, 419 00:35:00,241 --> 00:35:01,931 was such a famous set 420 00:35:02,034 --> 00:35:03,586 that it became a tourist attraction 421 00:35:03,689 --> 00:35:06,275 long before the Universal theme park even existed. 422 00:35:06,379 --> 00:35:08,862 At the time that Gaston Leroux wrote the novel, 423 00:35:08,965 --> 00:35:10,793 t he Paris Opera House was the largest 424 00:35:10,896 --> 00:35:13,068 and most famous opera house in the world, 425 00:35:13,172 --> 00:35:15,793 and the Paris Opera House set was the largest 426 00:35:15,896 --> 00:35:18,379 and most famous movie set in the world. 427 00:35:18,482 --> 00:35:21,206 Uh, one thing I never understood -- 428 00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:23,206 I thought it was kind of a fictional stretch -- 429 00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:26,689 is how the Phantom could hide himself in an opera house. 430 00:35:26,793 --> 00:35:29,896 I mean, I've -- I've performed in many opera houses. 431 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,758 For much of America's history, 432 00:35:31,862 --> 00:35:33,862 every city and small town had an opera house. 433 00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:35,482 And in many places, 434 00:35:35,586 --> 00:35:37,344 the opera house became the downtown movie theater. 435 00:35:37,448 --> 00:35:39,896 And even in the ones with massive dressing rooms 436 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,517 and offices under the stage and lower levels, 437 00:35:42,620 --> 00:35:43,862 you never think, "Wow. 438 00:35:43,965 --> 00:35:45,344 If somebody's set up camp right over there, 439 00:35:45,448 --> 00:35:47,000 they could go undetected for years." 440 00:35:47,103 --> 00:35:48,758 You just don't think that. 441 00:35:48,862 --> 00:35:51,172 But that was before I knew the dimensions 442 00:35:51,275 --> 00:35:53,068 of the Paris Opera House. 443 00:35:53,172 --> 00:35:55,620 It was built by architect Charles Garnier. 444 00:35:55,724 --> 00:35:58,620 He was commissioned by Emperor Napoleon III, 445 00:35:58,724 --> 00:36:01,482 who died before it actually opened in 1878. 446 00:36:01,586 --> 00:36:05,206 But Napoleon's idea was to make it the grandest opera house 447 00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:07,310 in the world, and he succeeded. 448 00:36:07,413 --> 00:36:11,620 First of all, it has 17 floors. 449 00:36:11,724 --> 00:36:15,000 Five of those floors are cellars and sub-cellars. 450 00:36:15,103 --> 00:36:17,655 It goes down five stories into the ground. 451 00:36:17,758 --> 00:36:19,482 And when they were excavating, 452 00:36:19,586 --> 00:36:21,724 they discovered an underground river down there. 453 00:36:21,827 --> 00:36:24,827 So there are nine lakes under the opera house, 454 00:36:24,931 --> 00:36:27,413 and they diverted much of that water into two tanks 455 00:36:27,517 --> 00:36:29,448 that hold 22,000 gallons 456 00:36:29,551 --> 00:36:31,965 that they use internally at the opera. 457 00:36:32,068 --> 00:36:34,448 There are 14 furnaces down there. 458 00:36:34,551 --> 00:36:36,482 That's got to add to the creepiness. 459 00:36:36,586 --> 00:36:40,517 There are 2,531 doors in the building, 460 00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:43,896 requiring 7,593 keys. -Wow. 461 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,034 -There are dressing rooms for 500 performers. 462 00:36:47,137 --> 00:36:49,137 There's a stable for 12 horses 463 00:36:49,241 --> 00:36:51,241 that they used in various productions. 464 00:36:51,344 --> 00:36:54,896 So it's no wonder that legends grew up around this building. 465 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,034 It was one of -- and it was one of those legends 466 00:36:57,137 --> 00:36:59,413 that Gaston Leroux heard when he got the idea 467 00:36:59,517 --> 00:37:01,344 for "Phantom of the Opera." 468 00:37:01,448 --> 00:37:04,655 "Phantom of the Opera" was a newspaper serial, uh, 469 00:37:04,758 --> 00:37:08,862 starting at the end of 1909, continuing into 1910. 470 00:37:08,965 --> 00:37:12,241 It was serialized in the daily newspaper "Le Gaulois." 471 00:37:12,344 --> 00:37:15,413 Um, and it was not well-reviewed. 472 00:37:15,517 --> 00:37:18,793 And in fact, I would say it's a very flawed novel, 473 00:37:18,896 --> 00:37:20,551 possibly because it was written in installments. 474 00:37:20,655 --> 00:37:22,620 Nevertheless, anybody who was familiar 475 00:37:22,724 --> 00:37:25,206 with the Garnier opera House in the year 1910 476 00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:27,206 would have not been surprised that 477 00:37:27,310 --> 00:37:30,724 somebody could hide underneath it for years, if not decades. 478 00:37:30,827 --> 00:37:33,862 Now, you'll notice there's a lot of trap doors in the movie. 479 00:37:33,965 --> 00:37:36,896 I think they used them just to economize on the storytelling. 480 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,793 It's easier to get somebody from one level 481 00:37:38,896 --> 00:37:40,724 to the next without having to shoot them going 482 00:37:40,827 --> 00:37:42,758 up and down stairways. 483 00:37:42,862 --> 00:37:45,275 I should also point out that Gaston Leroux was a journalist, 484 00:37:45,379 --> 00:37:47,000 and he was doing a sort of "Blair Witch" thing 485 00:37:47,103 --> 00:37:48,344 with the story. 486 00:37:48,448 --> 00:37:50,655 The book is a collection of documents, depositions, 487 00:37:50,758 --> 00:37:53,310 testimonies, accounts by narrators 488 00:37:53,413 --> 00:37:55,482 who may or may not be reliable. 489 00:37:55,586 --> 00:37:58,655 He was implying that the whole story was nonfiction, 490 00:37:58,758 --> 00:38:00,862 which was possible with the original ending, 491 00:38:00,965 --> 00:38:03,655 not possible with the Universal ending. 492 00:38:03,758 --> 00:38:05,172 Anyway, the most successful Universal film 493 00:38:05,275 --> 00:38:08,344 prior to "Phantom" was "The Hunchback of Notre Dame," 494 00:38:08,448 --> 00:38:11,586 which came out in 1923, also starring Lon Chaney. 495 00:38:11,689 --> 00:38:13,517 And that's why, when Carl Laemmle happened 496 00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:15,586 to meet Gaston Leroux in Paris, 497 00:38:15,689 --> 00:38:17,517 and he got a copy of the "Phantom" novel, 498 00:38:17,620 --> 00:38:19,413 he knew right away he wanted to make that movie 499 00:38:19,517 --> 00:38:22,758 because it had all the same elements -- a Paris landmark, 500 00:38:22,862 --> 00:38:26,379 a deformed outcast living inside the Paris landmark 501 00:38:26,482 --> 00:38:28,172 in love with a beautiful woman. 502 00:38:28,275 --> 00:38:30,758 Of course, the difference was that "Hunchback" 503 00:38:30,862 --> 00:38:32,586 was written by Victor Hugo, 504 00:38:32,689 --> 00:38:34,413 one of the greatest French writers who ever lived. 505 00:38:34,517 --> 00:38:36,827 And "Phantom" was written by a flashy news reporter 506 00:38:36,931 --> 00:38:38,793 who occasionally wrote detective stories. 507 00:38:38,896 --> 00:38:40,310 So, no matter. 508 00:38:40,413 --> 00:38:43,034 Laemmle assigned his top writing team to the project. 509 00:38:43,137 --> 00:38:45,724 His hottest director at the time, Rupert Julian, 510 00:38:45,827 --> 00:38:47,862 a New Zealander who had just been brought in 511 00:38:47,965 --> 00:38:50,172 to save a movie called "Merry-Go-Round" 512 00:38:50,275 --> 00:38:52,551 after Erich von Stroheim went crazy over-budget 513 00:38:52,655 --> 00:38:54,206 and had to be fired. 514 00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:57,137 Rupert Julian was well known as an actor as well, 515 00:38:57,241 --> 00:39:01,517 but mainly because he was a dead ringer for Kaiser Wilhelm II. 516 00:39:01,620 --> 00:39:03,655 He had starred as the Kaiser 517 00:39:03,758 --> 00:39:06,827 in a movie called "The Kaiser: Beast of Berlin." 518 00:39:06,931 --> 00:39:10,275 Uh, but Rupert Julian was a lot like the Kaiser in real life. 519 00:39:10,379 --> 00:39:12,896 He was a strict, by-the-book disciplinarian, 520 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,103 always perfectly coiffed, groomed, and dressed. 521 00:39:16,206 --> 00:39:18,862 I've done a little bit of a Rupert Julian with this, you know? 522 00:39:18,965 --> 00:39:20,965 Kind of guy who wore spats over his shoes, 523 00:39:21,068 --> 00:39:23,965 you know, kind of a dandy with an overbearing attitude. 524 00:39:24,068 --> 00:39:26,965 And as I said before, Cheney hated him, 525 00:39:27,068 --> 00:39:28,965 and he ended up refusing to talk to him. 526 00:39:29,068 --> 00:39:30,862 The two men communicated through messages 527 00:39:30,965 --> 00:39:33,344 that were carried back and forth by the cinematographer, 528 00:39:33,448 --> 00:39:35,137 Charles Van Enger. 529 00:39:35,241 --> 00:39:37,034 Anyway, Carl Laemmle found the book. 530 00:39:37,137 --> 00:39:39,310 He set about making it the next big Lon Cheney role. 531 00:39:39,413 --> 00:39:40,862 But he had one big problem -- 532 00:39:40,965 --> 00:39:43,206 Cheney was an MGM contract player. 533 00:39:43,310 --> 00:39:45,724 He had to go to MGM, hat in hand, 534 00:39:45,827 --> 00:39:48,620 and asked to borrow him for an undisclosed sum. 535 00:39:48,724 --> 00:39:51,551 But finally, on May the 17th, 1924, 536 00:39:51,655 --> 00:39:53,310 Laemmle was able to announce 537 00:39:53,413 --> 00:39:55,275 at a sales conference in New York City 538 00:39:55,379 --> 00:39:57,137 that Cheney had been secured 539 00:39:57,241 --> 00:39:59,896 for the next big prestige Universal movie. 540 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,793 And then Laemmle would go on to spend $2 million 541 00:40:02,896 --> 00:40:06,655 on the movie itself, probably an equal amount on promotion. 542 00:40:06,758 --> 00:40:10,137 So to give you some perspective, in 2025 terms, 543 00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:13,344 that would amount to about $74 million. 544 00:40:13,448 --> 00:40:16,068 But here's what makes that number truly astounding. 545 00:40:16,172 --> 00:40:19,586 The same studio was turning out five-reel Westerns, 546 00:40:19,689 --> 00:40:21,965 many of them starring Hoot Gibson, 547 00:40:22,068 --> 00:40:24,862 for $12,000 per movie. 548 00:40:24,965 --> 00:40:27,793 And part of Laemmle's promotion for the movie 549 00:40:27,896 --> 00:40:29,724 was Stage 28 itself. 550 00:40:29,827 --> 00:40:32,034 There were pictures in the newspapers and magazines 551 00:40:32,137 --> 00:40:35,000 when the Llewellyn steel company poured the concrete. 552 00:40:35,103 --> 00:40:37,724 There was publicity when the Hammond Lumber Company 553 00:40:37,827 --> 00:40:40,137 provided trucks carrying the largest lumber order 554 00:40:40,241 --> 00:40:41,896 in the history of their company. 555 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,758 Universal employees were sent to Europe 556 00:40:43,862 --> 00:40:46,310 to buy and/or photograph interior objects 557 00:40:46,413 --> 00:40:47,896 that could be used on the sets. 558 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,758 Ben Carré, a Hollywood art director 559 00:40:49,862 --> 00:40:51,655 who had worked at the Paris Opera, 560 00:40:51,758 --> 00:40:55,103 created 24 charcoal sketches of locales in the novel 561 00:40:55,206 --> 00:40:57,862 that were re-created down to the smallest detail. 562 00:40:57,965 --> 00:41:00,137 So from the very beginning, 563 00:41:00,241 --> 00:41:02,068 "The Phantom of the Opera" was perceived 564 00:41:02,172 --> 00:41:04,655 as the biggest event in the history of Hollywood. 565 00:41:04,758 --> 00:41:07,172 They even shot part of it in color, 566 00:41:07,275 --> 00:41:11,655 using a natural color process called Prizma for the opening, 567 00:41:11,758 --> 00:41:14,241 early Technicolor for the masked ball, 568 00:41:14,344 --> 00:41:17,137 and some other weird color process for the scene 569 00:41:17,241 --> 00:41:18,862 on the roof with the gargoyles. 570 00:41:18,965 --> 00:41:21,344 Okay, I'm gonna talk this movie to death 571 00:41:21,448 --> 00:41:23,068 if I don't shut up. 572 00:41:23,172 --> 00:41:24,689 So, uh, is Spencer ready? 573 00:41:24,793 --> 00:41:25,965 Hey, Spencer. 574 00:41:26,068 --> 00:41:27,275 -What's up, Joe Bob? 575 00:41:27,379 --> 00:41:29,413 -Welcome to "The Last Drive-In." 576 00:41:29,517 --> 00:41:31,482 -Thanks for having me. I'm ready to get ugly here. 577 00:41:31,586 --> 00:41:33,241 -Shane here is about to turn your face 578 00:41:33,344 --> 00:41:35,344 into the ultimate definition of ugly. 579 00:41:35,448 --> 00:41:37,655 -Super ugly. -Super ugly. 580 00:41:37,758 --> 00:41:39,068 -And I want to keep the makeup on. 581 00:41:39,172 --> 00:41:41,000 I've got a flight to catch, 582 00:41:41,103 --> 00:41:42,827 so hopefully I scare some of the flight attendants. 583 00:41:42,931 --> 00:41:44,551 -Yeah, TSA is gonna love that. 584 00:41:44,655 --> 00:41:46,517 Yeah, I'm already on the no-fly list. 585 00:41:46,620 --> 00:41:48,620 -Well, I've seen Ice Nine Kills live, 586 00:41:48,724 --> 00:41:52,241 where you reproduce iconic horror films in amazing detail. 587 00:41:52,344 --> 00:41:54,310 And I've been to your horror convention in Salem, 588 00:41:54,413 --> 00:41:57,068 Massachusetts, or right next door to Salem. 589 00:41:57,172 --> 00:42:00,034 Uh, I've been in one of your horror-based videos. 590 00:42:00,137 --> 00:42:01,586 And I have to say, Spencer, 591 00:42:01,689 --> 00:42:06,137 Ice Nine Kills is the nexus between metal and horror. 592 00:42:06,241 --> 00:42:09,034 -And now I'm gonna have the face to prove it. 593 00:42:09,137 --> 00:42:12,379 -And Shane, I know you idolize Lon Chaney. 594 00:42:12,482 --> 00:42:15,586 -Since I saw him on PBS when I was five. 595 00:42:15,689 --> 00:42:17,551 I've had this tattoo since '92. 596 00:42:17,655 --> 00:42:19,724 Sometimes it scares me when I wake up with it there. 597 00:42:19,827 --> 00:42:23,379 So, yeah. Lon Chaney is my god. 598 00:42:23,482 --> 00:42:25,724 -And you actually teach makeup classes based on 599 00:42:25,827 --> 00:42:28,655 many of the techniques that Lon Chaney originated? 600 00:42:28,758 --> 00:42:31,551 -I do. Like, when I -- when I teach these classes, 601 00:42:31,655 --> 00:42:32,862 you got to start off with the foundation 602 00:42:32,965 --> 00:42:34,689 of where all this stuff comes from, 603 00:42:34,793 --> 00:42:39,034 and Lon Chaney's "Phantom of the Opera makeup, 604 00:42:39,137 --> 00:42:41,896 this buildup of the ocular ridge, all this stuff, 605 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,103 it's bringing out the skull beneath the skin. 606 00:42:44,206 --> 00:42:47,413 And it's still the foundation for every zombie makeup. 607 00:42:47,517 --> 00:42:49,379 And Rick Baker did for "Thriller," 608 00:42:49,482 --> 00:42:51,689 to, like "Walking Dead" or whatever. 609 00:42:51,793 --> 00:42:53,172 It all comes from Lon Chaney. 610 00:42:53,275 --> 00:42:54,862 He is the first and the greatest. 611 00:42:54,965 --> 00:42:57,000 -So this will be your personal statement 612 00:42:57,103 --> 00:42:59,655 of the most repulsive face you can imagine? 613 00:42:59,758 --> 00:43:02,275 -Yes, beyond gruesome and weird. 614 00:43:02,379 --> 00:43:04,310 And go a little bit further. 615 00:43:04,413 --> 00:43:06,172 And we'll be using out-of-the-kit techniques 616 00:43:06,275 --> 00:43:07,517 totally for this. 617 00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:09,275 So there are no pre-built prosthetics or anything. 618 00:43:09,379 --> 00:43:11,620 I've made some skin textures and things to get weird, 619 00:43:11,724 --> 00:43:13,862 but we're gonna try to keep it to the way 620 00:43:13,965 --> 00:43:16,310 that Lon Chaney would have done it if he had silicone. 621 00:43:16,413 --> 00:43:19,206 -Okay, and guys, we have a surprise for you. 622 00:43:19,310 --> 00:43:22,758 We have a live shot of the crypt of Lon Chaney, 623 00:43:22,862 --> 00:43:24,551 which is at the Forest Lawn Cemetery 624 00:43:24,655 --> 00:43:27,172 in Glendale, California, but it's unmarked. 625 00:43:27,275 --> 00:43:28,689 You have to know where it is. 626 00:43:28,793 --> 00:43:31,068 So we had one of our associates, Alex Poteet, 627 00:43:31,172 --> 00:43:33,758 go down to Forest Lawn today and find it 628 00:43:33,862 --> 00:43:36,000 because Shane and Spencer, 629 00:43:36,103 --> 00:43:37,620 when we finally reveal your makeup 630 00:43:37,724 --> 00:43:39,379 at the end of tonight's show, 631 00:43:39,482 --> 00:43:42,413 I'm gonna ask Lon Chaney for a sign. 632 00:43:42,517 --> 00:43:44,000 We'll see if it works. 633 00:43:44,103 --> 00:43:45,275 I don't think anyone has ever tried to séance 634 00:43:45,379 --> 00:43:46,827 that unmarked crypt, 635 00:43:46,931 --> 00:43:48,068 but we are trying to do that tonight. 636 00:43:48,172 --> 00:43:51,275 Lon Chaney will be your judge, Shane. 637 00:43:51,379 --> 00:43:52,517 How does that make you feel? 638 00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:55,206 -Well, you know, it's a lot on my plate, 639 00:43:55,310 --> 00:43:57,517 but I've always said Lon Chaney shall never die. 640 00:43:57,620 --> 00:43:59,965 So I feel like he's always been watching over me anyway. 641 00:44:00,068 --> 00:44:01,620 So here we go. 642 00:44:01,724 --> 00:44:04,379 -So, Shane, your mission is to turn Spencer 643 00:44:04,482 --> 00:44:06,344 into the ugliest creature alive. 644 00:44:06,448 --> 00:44:08,103 Did you sign a release, Spencer? 645 00:44:08,206 --> 00:44:11,724 -I signed an NDA, but I don't think I got a release. 646 00:44:11,827 --> 00:44:14,137 -All right, men, we will be checking with you 647 00:44:14,241 --> 00:44:15,965 as the night goes on. 648 00:44:16,068 --> 00:44:18,931 Good luck. 649 00:44:19,034 --> 00:44:20,758 Darcy, I want to incorporate other Phantoms 650 00:44:20,862 --> 00:44:22,517 into our experience tonight. -Okay. 651 00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:25,137 -So to start it off, I want -- 652 00:44:25,241 --> 00:44:28,068 I want you to tell me what you think about two of the Phantoms 653 00:44:28,172 --> 00:44:30,068 from "Phantom" history. 654 00:44:30,172 --> 00:44:34,000 The first one is from the 1955 "Phantom of the Operetta," 655 00:44:34,103 --> 00:44:36,827 an Argentinian musical comedy. 656 00:44:36,931 --> 00:44:39,068 And were they even trying with this? 657 00:44:39,172 --> 00:44:40,413 -No comment here. 658 00:44:40,517 --> 00:44:41,827 -All right. Beneath contempt, right? 659 00:44:41,931 --> 00:44:43,758 Basically a Phantom with acne. 660 00:44:43,862 --> 00:44:46,034 Okay, but here's the Hammer Films version, 661 00:44:46,137 --> 00:44:47,551 1962, with Herbert Lom. 662 00:44:47,655 --> 00:44:49,413 What do you think of this? 663 00:44:49,517 --> 00:44:51,379 -It's in the film for, like, less than a minute. 664 00:44:51,482 --> 00:44:53,758 The death mask is what's really iconic from that. 665 00:44:53,862 --> 00:44:55,758 -Well, they definitely gouged some flesh for that. 666 00:44:55,862 --> 00:44:58,137 But what I don't like is they invented a backstory 667 00:44:58,241 --> 00:45:00,586 for Herbert Lom whereby he gets splashed with acid 668 00:45:00,689 --> 00:45:04,103 and abused by his partner, and so they create fake sympathy. 669 00:45:04,206 --> 00:45:07,241 The whole idea is supposed to be born ugly, no explanation. 670 00:45:07,344 --> 00:45:09,034 Do you like this one, though, Darcy? 671 00:45:09,137 --> 00:45:12,172 -The Lon Phantom is more victim than monster. 672 00:45:12,275 --> 00:45:14,413 The disfigurement is not what's important. 673 00:45:14,517 --> 00:45:16,103 He is just an outsider. 674 00:45:16,206 --> 00:45:18,517 And his burn is a physical symbol of that. 675 00:45:18,620 --> 00:45:21,517 -Agreed. And I think that's enough 676 00:45:21,620 --> 00:45:23,310 "Phantom of the Opera" from our team. 677 00:45:23,413 --> 00:45:26,931 So let's get back to the sensation of 1925, 678 00:45:27,034 --> 00:45:29,275 "The Phantom of the Opera." 679 00:45:31,724 --> 00:45:33,310 Do you know what else burns my bacon? 680 00:45:33,413 --> 00:45:35,344 -Tell me. 681 00:45:35,448 --> 00:45:37,379 -They tore down Stage 28... 682 00:45:37,482 --> 00:45:38,931 -Oh, girl. -...in 2014. 683 00:45:39,034 --> 00:45:42,310 -I know, man. I was devastated. Like, legit. 684 00:45:42,413 --> 00:45:45,379 -You know, it had already been rebuilt and improved in 1966 685 00:45:45,482 --> 00:45:48,448 when Alfred Hitchcock made "Torn Curtain." 686 00:45:48,551 --> 00:45:50,482 And then it had been used for all kinds 687 00:45:50,586 --> 00:45:52,068 of other movies as well. 688 00:45:52,172 --> 00:45:54,034 But you know what's there now? 689 00:45:54,137 --> 00:45:56,931 -Super Nintendo World. -Exactly! 690 00:45:57,034 --> 00:45:59,172 -I know, I'm so conflicted. -Super fucking Nintendo World. 691 00:45:59,275 --> 00:46:01,482 They use it for meet-and-greets with Toad. 692 00:46:01,586 --> 00:46:03,344 -But also Princess Peach! 693 00:46:03,448 --> 00:46:06,586 Oh, my God. Okay, for real. 694 00:46:06,689 --> 00:46:08,448 When I take the Mario Brothers ride with my kid, 695 00:46:08,551 --> 00:46:10,241 we have a little ritual. 696 00:46:10,344 --> 00:46:11,586 -You shouldn't take the Mario Brothers ride. 697 00:46:11,689 --> 00:46:13,482 -Exactly. I'm conflicted, man. 698 00:46:13,586 --> 00:46:17,310 So what we do is we say a little prayer for Stage 28 699 00:46:17,413 --> 00:46:18,655 before we go, and then it's okay. 700 00:46:18,758 --> 00:46:20,034 -And you cross yourselves? -Yes. 701 00:46:20,137 --> 00:46:22,448 -Damn, Darcy, I'm -- -Forgive us. 702 00:46:22,551 --> 00:46:24,965 -I'm sorry you have to experience that trauma, though. 703 00:46:25,068 --> 00:46:26,275 -Thank you. 704 00:46:26,379 --> 00:46:28,896 -Lon Chaney wept. -I know. 705 00:58:53,448 --> 00:58:55,206 -And so the Phantom entrances Christine -- 706 00:58:55,310 --> 00:58:56,689 she's walking like a zombie -- 707 00:58:56,793 --> 00:58:59,172 and takes her deep into the dark underground caverns 708 00:58:59,275 --> 00:59:01,724 and the black lakes to his lair. 709 00:59:01,827 --> 00:59:04,310 And, of course, we still haven't seen his face. 710 00:59:04,413 --> 00:59:06,862 The early audiences didn't know that he was disfigured 711 00:59:06,965 --> 00:59:09,344 because the novel was not that well known, 712 00:59:09,448 --> 00:59:11,586 which made the reveal scene all the more powerful. 713 00:59:11,689 --> 00:59:13,482 But this would be a good place 714 00:59:13,586 --> 00:59:15,517 to talk about the actress who played Christine. 715 00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:18,068 Mary Philbin was born 716 00:59:18,172 --> 00:59:20,620 in the tiny Irish village of Cloonliffen, 717 00:59:20,724 --> 00:59:23,310 population 51... -Wow. 718 00:59:23,413 --> 00:59:26,137 -...and 11 of those 51 were her family members. 719 00:59:26,241 --> 00:59:28,896 But her parents moved to Chicago when she was three years old, 720 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,000 and she discovered the stage as a small girl. 721 00:59:32,103 --> 00:59:33,931 And she was not like any of the other young starlets 722 00:59:34,034 --> 00:59:35,068 in Hollywood, though. 723 00:59:35,172 --> 00:59:36,793 She was extremely close to her family. 724 00:59:36,896 --> 00:59:38,241 She was very religious. 725 00:59:38,344 --> 00:59:40,310 She was so close to her family 726 00:59:40,413 --> 00:59:41,517 that when she got cast in her first film, 727 00:59:41,620 --> 00:59:44,724 "The Blazing Trail," at the age of 19, 728 00:59:44,827 --> 00:59:47,620 the whole family moved with her to Los Angeles. 729 00:59:47,724 --> 00:59:50,034 The Philbins were friends of the Laemmle family, 730 00:59:50,137 --> 00:59:52,896 owners of Universal, so she moved up quickly. 731 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,448 She made six films her first year. 732 00:59:55,551 --> 00:59:57,827 She got noticed in an Erich von Stroheim movie 733 00:59:57,931 --> 00:59:59,862 called "Foolish Wives." 734 00:59:59,965 --> 01:00:02,758 It was the most expensive Universal film up to that time. 735 01:00:02,862 --> 01:00:05,655 Her breakout role was "The Merry-Go-Round" in 1923, 736 01:00:05,758 --> 01:00:08,793 the movie that was directed by Erich von Stroheim 737 01:00:08,896 --> 01:00:10,551 until he was fired 738 01:00:10,655 --> 01:00:12,551 and Rupert Julian was brought in to finish it. 739 01:00:12,655 --> 01:00:15,689 She played the peasant girl working as an organ grinder 740 01:00:15,793 --> 01:00:17,379 in a Vienna amusement park, 741 01:00:17,482 --> 01:00:19,413 and a playboy count falls in love with her, 742 01:00:19,517 --> 01:00:22,551 but is already engaged to the daughter of the Minister of War, 743 01:00:22,655 --> 01:00:24,310 and because of court etiquette, 744 01:00:24,413 --> 01:00:26,379 he is forced to go ahead with that marriage, 745 01:00:26,482 --> 01:00:28,034 and she thinks she's been deserted. 746 01:00:28,137 --> 01:00:30,517 But then she reunites with her lover 747 01:00:30,620 --> 01:00:33,413 after a series of wartime melodramatic episodes, 748 01:00:33,517 --> 01:00:36,241 and he renounces his title in order to be with her. 749 01:00:36,344 --> 01:00:39,172 So the count was played by Norman Kerry, 750 01:00:39,275 --> 01:00:41,551 the actor who again plays a count, Raoul, 751 01:00:41,655 --> 01:00:43,103 in "Phantom of the Opera." 752 01:00:43,206 --> 01:00:46,827 Um, Raoul is one of the most boring characters ever invented. 753 01:00:46,931 --> 01:00:49,862 I mean, he doesn't do much except wait around for Christine 754 01:00:49,965 --> 01:00:51,862 and deal with her fickle choices. 755 01:00:51,965 --> 01:00:54,172 But Kerry does as well as he can with it. 756 01:00:54,275 --> 01:00:57,310 Kerry was a high school football star growing up on Long Island 757 01:00:57,413 --> 01:00:59,965 and became good friends with Rudolph Valentino, 758 01:01:00,068 --> 01:01:02,724 while Valentino was still a taxi dancer in New York 759 01:01:02,827 --> 01:01:04,586 long before he discovered Hollywood. 760 01:01:04,689 --> 01:01:06,793 And Kerry had also been the romantic lead 761 01:01:06,896 --> 01:01:08,724 in "The Hunchback of Notre Dame." 762 01:01:08,827 --> 01:01:11,724 So Norman Kerry and Mary Philbin knew each other, 763 01:01:11,827 --> 01:01:13,758 got along very well together, 764 01:01:13,862 --> 01:01:16,068 but she never really got along with Julian, the director. 765 01:01:16,172 --> 01:01:18,275 He didn't like her performances. 766 01:01:18,379 --> 01:01:21,620 He would do endless retakes to the point that Van Enger, 767 01:01:21,724 --> 01:01:23,379 the cinematographer, told Julian 768 01:01:23,482 --> 01:01:24,862 he was ruining her ability to act 769 01:01:24,965 --> 01:01:27,344 by nickel-and-diming every scene that she did. 770 01:01:27,448 --> 01:01:30,758 And the crew grew very restless with how slowly Julian worked 771 01:01:30,862 --> 01:01:32,448 and how picky he was. 772 01:01:32,551 --> 01:01:34,551 Plus, he wasn't very nice to actors, 773 01:01:34,655 --> 01:01:37,448 and Norman Kerry grew so exasperated at one point 774 01:01:37,551 --> 01:01:41,000 that he turned his horse on Julian and ran him down. 775 01:01:41,103 --> 01:01:44,275 Anyway, Mary Philbin always got the man at the end of the movie, 776 01:01:44,379 --> 01:01:47,103 but she did not get the man in life. 777 01:01:47,206 --> 01:01:49,896 Uh, Universal Pictures in the early 1920s 778 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,931 was a very young company. 779 01:01:52,034 --> 01:01:53,965 Carl Laemmle was in his 50s, 780 01:01:54,068 --> 01:01:56,862 but he had a knack for hiring talented young men, 781 01:01:56,965 --> 01:01:58,724 some of them right out of high school. 782 01:01:58,827 --> 01:02:01,068 His most famous hire was Irving Thalberg, 783 01:02:01,172 --> 01:02:04,000 who started out as a secretary in the New York office 784 01:02:04,103 --> 01:02:07,965 and was named head of the studio at the age of 20. 785 01:02:08,068 --> 01:02:10,206 But another guy rising quickly through the ranks 786 01:02:10,310 --> 01:02:12,068 was Paul Kohner, 787 01:02:12,172 --> 01:02:14,896 an Austrian who interviewed Laemmle for his father's 788 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,758 newspaper while Laemmle was visiting the famous spa 789 01:02:17,862 --> 01:02:21,241 at Karlovy Vary, and Laemmle was impressed by him 790 01:02:21,344 --> 01:02:23,482 and talked him into moving to America 791 01:02:23,586 --> 01:02:25,206 and started him out as an errand boy, 792 01:02:25,310 --> 01:02:27,827 and he moved up through various film-production jobs, 793 01:02:27,931 --> 01:02:30,413 eventually became one of the most powerful producers 794 01:02:30,517 --> 01:02:31,931 and agents in Hollywood. 795 01:02:32,034 --> 01:02:36,965 Represented Mar-- um, Marlene Dietrich, Greta Garbo, 796 01:02:37,068 --> 01:02:41,172 John Huston, Billy Wilder, Ingrid Bergman, 797 01:02:41,275 --> 01:02:43,931 Maurice Chevalier, Lana Turner, and many other stars. 798 01:02:44,034 --> 01:02:46,931 But in 1923, when he was a unit production supervisor, 799 01:02:47,034 --> 01:02:50,103 still working his way up, he fell in love with Mary Philbin, 800 01:02:50,206 --> 01:02:51,827 and she fell in love with him. 801 01:02:51,931 --> 01:02:53,586 And they were inseparable for four years. 802 01:02:53,689 --> 01:02:55,620 But when they announced their engagement, 803 01:02:55,724 --> 01:03:00,137 Mary's parents strenuously objected because he was Jewish 804 01:03:00,241 --> 01:03:01,931 and they were strict Catholics. 805 01:03:02,034 --> 01:03:03,862 So after much agonizing, 806 01:03:03,965 --> 01:03:06,551 Mary Philbin was faced with either marrying Kohner 807 01:03:06,655 --> 01:03:08,793 and being shunned by her family forever, 808 01:03:08,896 --> 01:03:12,137 or staying close to her family and losing Kohner. 809 01:03:12,241 --> 01:03:15,137 So she told Kohner she couldn't marry him, 810 01:03:15,241 --> 01:03:16,896 and he was devastated. 811 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,724 But seven years later, he married Lupita Tovar, 812 01:03:19,827 --> 01:03:22,068 who starred in many movies on both sides of the border, 813 01:03:22,172 --> 01:03:24,448 known especially for starring in Universal's 814 01:03:24,551 --> 01:03:27,068 Spanish version of "Dracula." 815 01:03:27,172 --> 01:03:29,586 And they were married for 56 years 816 01:03:29,689 --> 01:03:33,172 until Kohner's death in 1988. But here's the sad part. 817 01:03:33,275 --> 01:03:37,137 When they were cleaning out Kohner's desk in 1988 -- 818 01:03:37,241 --> 01:03:39,965 his agency was in a famous building on the Sunset Strip -- 819 01:03:40,068 --> 01:03:42,620 they found dozens of love letters from Mary Philbin. 820 01:03:42,724 --> 01:03:45,379 He had saved every last one of them. 821 01:03:45,482 --> 01:03:46,827 Probably saved him at his office 822 01:03:46,931 --> 01:03:48,689 so that Lupita wouldn't know about them. 823 01:03:48,793 --> 01:03:52,172 And Mary Philbin had saved his letters as well, 824 01:03:52,275 --> 01:03:54,103 and they were with her when she died 825 01:03:54,206 --> 01:03:56,068 five years later at the age of 91. 826 01:03:56,172 --> 01:03:58,931 She died in the Huntington Beach house that her family had bought 827 01:03:59,034 --> 01:04:01,724 when they first moved to Los Angeles in 1921. 828 01:04:01,827 --> 01:04:05,137 She had lived there as a virtual recluse for the 65 years 829 01:04:05,241 --> 01:04:08,103 after her career ended in 1929, 830 01:04:08,206 --> 01:04:11,965 and she was never able to make the transition to sound films. 831 01:04:12,068 --> 01:04:15,379 Okay, no more sad stories. 832 01:04:15,482 --> 01:04:18,586 Shane, how you doing back there? 833 01:04:18,689 --> 01:04:21,068 -Doing great. This is kind of the boring part. 834 01:04:21,172 --> 01:04:24,241 We're just getting started and we're putting the bald cap down. 835 01:04:24,344 --> 01:04:27,862 -Okay. Just remember, we want the ugliest human being 836 01:04:27,965 --> 01:04:30,241 that's ever been imagined by the mind of H.P. Lovecraft. 837 01:04:30,344 --> 01:04:32,655 -Well, we are gonna get in here 838 01:04:32,758 --> 01:04:36,413 after I do these basic kind of Cheney Phantom moves. 839 01:04:36,517 --> 01:04:38,241 Then I'm gonna get in 840 01:04:38,344 --> 01:04:42,862 and start applying Lovecraftian shapes because, 841 01:04:42,965 --> 01:04:46,931 as we know, the Phantom wasn't just born ugly. 842 01:04:47,034 --> 01:04:49,896 He's been mutated by his use of the black arts. 843 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,103 So he's a little weird. 844 01:04:51,206 --> 01:04:52,517 We're gonna go a little weirder 845 01:04:52,620 --> 01:04:55,344 than maybe people are expecting. 846 01:04:55,448 --> 01:04:58,862 -Okay. We love to hear that. How are you holding up, Spencer? 847 01:04:58,965 --> 01:05:01,241 -It reminds me of, uh, swim camp, 848 01:05:01,344 --> 01:05:04,275 you know, with the, uh -- the swim cap. 849 01:05:04,379 --> 01:05:06,310 Uh, other than that, it's pretty good. 850 01:05:06,413 --> 01:05:08,517 Just like a huge condom on my head. 851 01:05:08,620 --> 01:05:11,413 -Do you think this is gonna be annoying or exciting? 852 01:05:11,517 --> 01:05:12,827 -I think somewhere right in the middle. 853 01:05:12,931 --> 01:05:15,758 But I'm excited to be annoyed. 854 01:05:15,862 --> 01:05:18,482 -All right, guys, carry on. 855 01:05:18,586 --> 01:05:20,931 -Why did you say H.P. Lovecraft? 856 01:05:21,034 --> 01:05:24,586 -Doesn't he kind of specialize in ugly monsters? 857 01:05:24,689 --> 01:05:26,172 -Mm, I wouldn't say so, no. 858 01:05:26,275 --> 01:05:28,689 -Who would you nominate? 859 01:05:28,793 --> 01:05:30,344 -Nobody, really, honestly. 860 01:05:30,448 --> 01:05:32,448 -Jack Davis? Basil Gogos? -No. 861 01:05:32,551 --> 01:05:34,344 'Cause when I look at those monster drawings, 862 01:05:34,448 --> 01:05:36,034 I just think they're beautiful. 863 01:05:36,137 --> 01:05:37,758 -Remember that "Twilight Zone" episode 864 01:05:37,862 --> 01:05:39,517 where a woman's face is covered in bandages 865 01:05:39,620 --> 01:05:41,655 'cause she's had her 11th plastic surgery 866 01:05:41,758 --> 01:05:43,448 and she's trying to be normal, 867 01:05:43,551 --> 01:05:44,896 or else the government will banish her forever? 868 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,551 -Oh, yeah. That's a good one. 869 01:05:46,655 --> 01:05:48,551 -And then they remove the bandages, 870 01:05:48,655 --> 01:05:50,413 and it's Elly May Clampett from "The Beverly Hillbillies." 871 01:05:50,517 --> 01:05:51,758 -Donna Douglas! Yeah. 872 01:05:51,862 --> 01:05:53,172 -Yeah. Donna Douglas. 873 01:05:53,275 --> 01:05:54,793 And the doctor says, "I'm sorry, 874 01:05:54,896 --> 01:05:56,551 but the surgery has failed again. 875 01:05:56,655 --> 01:05:59,068 You cannot remain in society any longer." 876 01:05:59,172 --> 01:06:01,103 And then the camera turns around, 877 01:06:01,206 --> 01:06:03,586 and we see this is a society of people with pig snouts 878 01:06:03,689 --> 01:06:05,965 and sunken eyes and swollen lips. 879 01:06:06,068 --> 01:06:07,862 -Standards of beauty. 880 01:06:07,965 --> 01:06:09,172 -That's kind of what we're doing here, right? 881 01:06:09,275 --> 01:06:10,758 We're showing how everyone's idea of beauty 882 01:06:10,862 --> 01:06:13,724 is based on whatever you're used to. 883 01:06:13,827 --> 01:06:17,000 -Correct. -Okay, back to the movie. 884 01:06:20,310 --> 01:06:22,689 You think it'd be possible today for a Paul Kohner 885 01:06:22,793 --> 01:06:24,517 or an Irving Thalberg 886 01:06:24,620 --> 01:06:26,413 to be working as an errand boy in Hollywood, 887 01:06:26,517 --> 01:06:28,620 and the studio boss just says, "You know what, kid? 888 01:06:28,724 --> 01:06:30,172 I like the way you think. 889 01:06:30,275 --> 01:06:31,275 You want to be head of production?" 890 01:06:31,379 --> 01:06:33,586 -Never. Never. 891 01:06:33,689 --> 01:06:35,413 -Maybe not head of production like Thalberg, 892 01:06:35,517 --> 01:06:37,172 but, "Hey, you're smart. 893 01:06:37,275 --> 01:06:38,931 We're gonna let you produce a feature." 894 01:06:39,034 --> 01:06:41,206 -That would not happen. No. 895 01:06:41,310 --> 01:06:43,379 -Why not? People hate teenagers now? 896 01:06:43,482 --> 01:06:45,482 I don't know, honestly. 897 01:06:45,586 --> 01:06:48,103 -I got hired as a sportswriter when I was 13, 898 01:06:48,206 --> 01:06:50,137 and that was a tremendous boost of confidence. 899 01:06:50,241 --> 01:06:53,034 I mean, I wanted to work as hard as possible to prove myself. 900 01:06:53,137 --> 01:06:55,586 I would think that's as good a reason as any to have teens. 901 01:06:55,689 --> 01:06:57,275 I mean, they have unlimited energy. 902 01:06:57,379 --> 01:06:59,413 They overperform. You pay them very little 903 01:06:59,517 --> 01:07:01,482 and you get huge benefits. 904 01:07:01,586 --> 01:07:03,379 -Nobody's doing that. 905 01:07:03,482 --> 01:07:05,137 -Unless you play baseball. 906 01:07:05,241 --> 01:07:06,793 -Unless you play baseball. 907 01:07:06,896 --> 01:07:08,586 -Although Juan Soto -- he didn't make his first 908 01:07:08,689 --> 01:07:10,586 $800 million until he was 26. 909 01:18:33,241 --> 01:18:34,724 -Is it just me, or does Christine 910 01:18:34,827 --> 01:18:38,586 constantly contradict herself? 911 01:18:38,689 --> 01:18:43,172 "Let me go and I'll be your slave forever." 912 01:18:43,275 --> 01:18:44,793 Isn't it one or the other? 913 01:18:44,896 --> 01:18:47,758 Either let me go or I'll be your slave? 914 01:18:47,862 --> 01:18:50,000 But that reveal -- that is so good. 915 01:18:50,103 --> 01:18:51,448 And if you ever get the chance to watch it 916 01:18:51,551 --> 01:18:53,241 with a concert-level organist -- 917 01:18:53,344 --> 01:18:55,241 who was that guy we saw in LA on Halloween? 918 01:18:55,344 --> 01:18:57,517 -Oh, Clark Wilson. -Clark Wilson. 919 01:18:57,620 --> 01:19:00,068 He is one of the last practitioners 920 01:19:00,172 --> 01:19:03,241 of what they call theater organ music in the world, 921 01:19:03,344 --> 01:19:05,448 and he performs his own soundtrack for "Phantom" 922 01:19:05,551 --> 01:19:07,034 on one of those giant organs 923 01:19:07,137 --> 01:19:09,034 with the umpteen-jillion pedals and keys. 924 01:19:09,137 --> 01:19:11,551 And he uses a lot from Faust, of course, 925 01:19:11,655 --> 01:19:15,448 because that's the opera where Christine replaces Carlotta. 926 01:19:15,551 --> 01:19:17,655 But anyway, that moment where the -- 927 01:19:17,758 --> 01:19:20,689 where she rips off the mask, the deep bass organ chord 928 01:19:20,793 --> 01:19:22,965 that he does makes you jump out of your seat. 929 01:19:23,068 --> 01:19:24,689 And as I mentioned before, 930 01:19:24,793 --> 01:19:26,724 Lon Chaney directed that scene himself 931 01:19:26,827 --> 01:19:29,758 so he could get a terrified reaction out of Mary Philbin. 932 01:19:29,862 --> 01:19:34,034 All right, we can't really spend three hours on every break. 933 01:19:34,137 --> 01:19:35,344 -We could. -There's so much to talk about 934 01:19:35,448 --> 01:19:37,758 with "Phantom." And at the last break, 935 01:19:37,862 --> 01:19:40,172 I forgot to continue our review of "Phantom" makeup. 936 01:19:40,275 --> 01:19:42,068 So here we go. 937 01:19:42,172 --> 01:19:46,275 Here's the 1937 Chinese Phantom from "Song of Midnight." 938 01:19:46,379 --> 01:19:47,827 Darcy? -It's not bad. 939 01:19:47,931 --> 01:19:50,137 They were trying. I appreciate that. 940 01:19:50,241 --> 01:19:53,275 -Um, here's Vincent Price in "The Abominable Dr. Phibes," 941 01:19:53,379 --> 01:19:55,965 which has a slight resemblance to the "Phantom" plot. 942 01:19:56,068 --> 01:19:58,482 -I love Vincent Price, and I love this movie, 943 01:19:58,586 --> 01:20:00,965 but the story here is not really about his face. 944 01:20:01,068 --> 01:20:04,275 -True. Here's William Finley in "Phantom of the Paradise." 945 01:20:04,379 --> 01:20:06,862 -Yes! Love "Phantom of the Paradise." 946 01:20:06,965 --> 01:20:10,482 That is probably my favorite adaptation after the original. 947 01:20:10,586 --> 01:20:12,103 -I like what they did with the eyeball, 948 01:20:12,206 --> 01:20:14,103 but they're doing that half-face thing. 949 01:20:14,206 --> 01:20:16,137 The half-face ugly is not the novel. 950 01:20:16,241 --> 01:20:19,344 The novel says the whole face is ugly. 951 01:20:19,448 --> 01:20:21,068 They're trying to get away with a cool mask. 952 01:20:21,172 --> 01:20:24,103 Okay, here's a good one. "Phantom of the Ritz." 953 01:20:24,206 --> 01:20:26,896 I don't remember who this actor is. Um... 954 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,379 -Joshua Sussman. 955 01:20:28,482 --> 01:20:30,275 -Joshua Sussman. Very good, Darcy. 956 01:20:30,379 --> 01:20:32,379 They went for the slime-glopola face. 957 01:20:32,482 --> 01:20:35,413 What do you think? -It's one of the better ones. 958 01:20:35,517 --> 01:20:38,068 -Shane, are we using any slime? Is Shane there? 959 01:20:38,172 --> 01:20:40,965 -I'm here. -Are we using any slime on this? 960 01:20:41,068 --> 01:20:43,827 -Oh, we're gonna have slime. -Glopola. 961 01:20:43,931 --> 01:20:46,103 -We're slimy. -What's your slime quotient? 962 01:20:46,206 --> 01:20:48,103 Is there a lot of slime on this? 963 01:20:48,206 --> 01:20:50,793 -We'll just have enough to give it that glisteningly, 964 01:20:50,896 --> 01:20:53,000 zit-popping, um... 965 01:20:53,103 --> 01:20:55,448 smegma-dripping-out- of-the-mouth sort of stuff. 966 01:20:55,551 --> 01:20:57,137 -When stuff is coming out of the mouth or nose, 967 01:20:57,241 --> 01:20:59,000 that is always gross, I love that. 968 01:20:59,103 --> 01:21:01,448 -Yeah, -Yeah, we gotta have some snot. 969 01:21:01,551 --> 01:21:04,275 -How are you with snot and slime, Spencer? 970 01:21:04,379 --> 01:21:06,862 -Love snot and slime. 971 01:21:06,965 --> 01:21:09,344 Uh, I remember that Nickelodeon show where they would always... 972 01:21:09,448 --> 01:21:10,655 -Oh, yeah. -...get slimed, right? 973 01:21:10,758 --> 01:21:11,827 -Yeah. 974 01:21:11,931 --> 01:21:13,758 -But they never got snotted, so... 975 01:21:13,862 --> 01:21:15,758 -Well, you never know what was in that slime. 976 01:21:15,862 --> 01:21:18,172 -Yeah, yeah. And I have seasonal allergies, 977 01:21:18,275 --> 01:21:21,379 so there should be some natural snot as well. 978 01:21:21,482 --> 01:21:22,758 -Well, we'll use that. 979 01:21:22,862 --> 01:21:24,827 -Right. -Okay, man. 980 01:21:24,931 --> 01:21:27,517 Well, we're counting on you to make us scream when we see this. 981 01:21:27,620 --> 01:21:30,620 -Oh, that's gonna happen. 982 01:21:30,724 --> 01:21:33,034 See that? It already got a Chaney nose going on. 983 01:21:33,137 --> 01:21:35,413 Look at that. 984 01:21:35,517 --> 01:21:37,931 -People actually did scream and faint in the theaters 985 01:21:38,034 --> 01:21:40,689 when the Phantom's face was revealed in 1925. 986 01:21:40,793 --> 01:21:42,551 Some people believe the reason 987 01:21:42,655 --> 01:21:44,689 Lon Chaney was such a great silent-film actor 988 01:21:44,793 --> 01:21:48,310 is that his parents were deaf, and when your parents are deaf, 989 01:21:48,413 --> 01:21:50,379 especially in the 1880s and 1890s, 990 01:21:50,482 --> 01:21:53,344 when formal sign language was -- for a while, 991 01:21:53,448 --> 01:21:57,034 was banned in some of the deaf schools, 992 01:21:57,137 --> 01:21:59,206 you become a master of pantomime. 993 01:21:59,310 --> 01:22:02,275 And actually, his formal education ended at age nine 994 01:22:02,379 --> 01:22:04,689 when he left school to care for his sick mother. 995 01:22:04,793 --> 01:22:07,000 But as soon as he was old enough to work in vaudeville, 996 01:22:07,103 --> 01:22:09,862 which would have been around age 15 or 16, 997 01:22:09,965 --> 01:22:11,896 he hit the vaudeville circuit. 998 01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,310 And he was a great singer, great dancer, great comedian. 999 01:22:15,413 --> 01:22:17,827 Supposedly he had a wonderful stage presence, 1000 01:22:17,931 --> 01:22:20,241 and he toured with various vaudeville companies 1001 01:22:20,344 --> 01:22:23,310 for several years, and then, like many talented actors, 1002 01:22:23,413 --> 01:22:26,862 he managed his own theater, The Majestic, in downtown LA. 1003 01:22:26,965 --> 01:22:29,172 -Aw. -Unfortunately, in 1913, 1004 01:22:29,275 --> 01:22:31,310 his wife went to the theater one night 1005 01:22:31,413 --> 01:22:34,413 and attempted to kill herself by swallowing mercury. 1006 01:22:34,517 --> 01:22:37,517 So this suicide attempt failed, 1007 01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:40,448 but the resulting scandal ended his theater career 1008 01:22:40,551 --> 01:22:42,344 and forced him into movies. 1009 01:22:42,448 --> 01:22:44,068 Now, I'm not sure why your wife trying to kill herself 1010 01:22:44,172 --> 01:22:45,482 would affect your career prospects, 1011 01:22:45,586 --> 01:22:46,724 but apparently it did. 1012 01:22:46,827 --> 01:22:48,551 And at the time, 1013 01:22:48,655 --> 01:22:49,931 you could make a great deal more money on the stage 1014 01:22:50,034 --> 01:22:51,655 than you could on screen. 1015 01:22:51,758 --> 01:22:53,827 Plus, the stage had much more prestige, 1016 01:22:53,931 --> 01:22:57,620 so it was a comedown when he started taking bit movie parts. 1017 01:22:57,724 --> 01:22:59,275 And because of his makeup skills, 1018 01:22:59,379 --> 01:23:01,206 he had a lot of character parts. 1019 01:23:01,310 --> 01:23:03,034 So for the next six or seven years, 1020 01:23:03,137 --> 01:23:04,758 he built a reputation in Hollywood 1021 01:23:04,862 --> 01:23:06,758 as a versatile character actor, 1022 01:23:06,862 --> 01:23:08,896 but nothing more than that, really. 1023 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,172 And then he made a movie called "The Miracle Man," 1024 01:23:11,275 --> 01:23:13,689 where he played a contortionist con man, 1025 01:23:13,793 --> 01:23:15,724 and he got brilliant reviews for that. 1026 01:23:15,827 --> 01:23:19,275 And that led to a tour de force performance in "The Penalty," 1027 01:23:19,379 --> 01:23:20,827 where he played a crime boss 1028 01:23:20,931 --> 01:23:22,827 whose legs had been amputated at the knee, 1029 01:23:22,931 --> 01:23:26,103 and the devices he wore for that were so complicated and painful 1030 01:23:26,206 --> 01:23:28,275 that he could only work 10 minutes at a time. 1031 01:23:28,379 --> 01:23:30,275 But it was a breakthrough role for him. 1032 01:23:30,379 --> 01:23:31,655 And then came 1033 01:23:31,758 --> 01:23:34,172 "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" playing Quasimodo, 1034 01:23:34,275 --> 01:23:36,827 making him a star in the company owned by the man 1035 01:23:36,931 --> 01:23:39,965 who invented the star system, Carl Laemmle. 1036 01:23:40,068 --> 01:23:43,103 Um, he actually made 157 movies, 1037 01:23:43,206 --> 01:23:46,137 but 102 of those movies are lost. 1038 01:23:46,241 --> 01:23:49,586 But his reputation as The Man with a Thousand Faces 1039 01:23:49,689 --> 01:23:52,172 fascinated the public all through the 1920s 1040 01:23:52,275 --> 01:23:53,896 and into the sound era, 1041 01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,000 and he even transferred easily into talkies 1042 01:23:56,103 --> 01:23:58,068 due to his vast theater experience. 1043 01:23:58,172 --> 01:24:00,724 But he would only make one sound movie, 1044 01:24:00,827 --> 01:24:05,000 a remake of Tod Browning's "The Unholy Three," in 1930. 1045 01:24:05,103 --> 01:24:08,344 He actually did five of the voices in that movie, 1046 01:24:08,448 --> 01:24:11,137 but he died one month after the film's release 1047 01:24:11,241 --> 01:24:14,344 of lung cancer at the age of 47. 1048 01:24:14,448 --> 01:24:16,586 Um, the funeral of Lon Chaney 1049 01:24:16,689 --> 01:24:18,448 was like a who's who of Hollywood. 1050 01:24:18,551 --> 01:24:20,827 The pallbearers were Lionel Barrymore, 1051 01:24:20,931 --> 01:24:24,310 Louis B. Mayer, Tod Browning, several other stars, 1052 01:24:24,413 --> 01:24:27,000 and the Marine Corps provided an honor guard. 1053 01:24:27,103 --> 01:24:31,000 If you go to his grave at Forest Lawn, it's unmarked. 1054 01:24:31,103 --> 01:24:32,931 It's a crypt. 1055 01:24:33,034 --> 01:24:35,413 Um, according to his express wishes, it's unmarked. 1056 01:24:35,517 --> 01:24:37,551 But, of course, he was memorialized in the movie 1057 01:24:37,655 --> 01:24:40,862 "Man of a Thousand Faces," starring James Cagney as Chaney, 1058 01:24:40,965 --> 01:24:42,862 the movie that inspired Tom Savini 1059 01:24:42,965 --> 01:24:44,655 to become a makeup artist. 1060 01:24:44,758 --> 01:24:47,448 Um, all of his artifacts, as we noted earlier, 1061 01:24:47,551 --> 01:24:49,793 went to the Los Angeles Natural History Museum, 1062 01:24:49,896 --> 01:24:54,000 including a cast of his head and his collection of wigs. 1063 01:24:54,103 --> 01:24:56,034 He had more wigs than you, Darcy. 1064 01:24:56,137 --> 01:24:57,275 He had 100 wigs. 1065 01:24:57,379 --> 01:24:59,206 -Oh, no, he did not. 1066 01:24:59,310 --> 01:25:00,862 -He didn't have 100 wigs? 1067 01:25:00,965 --> 01:25:02,103 -I'm sure he did, 1068 01:25:02,206 --> 01:25:03,517 but he didn't have more than I do. 1069 01:25:03,620 --> 01:25:05,241 -You have more than 100 wigs? 1070 01:25:05,344 --> 01:25:07,000 -Oh, yeah. -All right. 1071 01:25:07,103 --> 01:25:09,034 Well, you are the queen of cosplay. 1072 01:25:09,137 --> 01:25:13,413 So let's go back to the movie and watch the master work. 1073 01:25:13,517 --> 01:25:14,896 I'm impressed, Darcy. 1074 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,310 -Wigs are important. 1075 01:25:16,413 --> 01:25:19,137 -Obviously. You know who loved Lon Chaney? 1076 01:25:19,241 --> 01:25:21,068 -Who? -Forrest Ackerman, 1077 01:25:21,172 --> 01:25:23,379 the editor of "Famous Monsters of Filmland" magazine. 1078 01:25:23,482 --> 01:25:27,000 Every issue of "Famous Monsters" had a page called 1079 01:25:27,103 --> 01:25:29,310 "Lon Chaney Shall Not Die"... -Aw. 1080 01:25:29,413 --> 01:25:31,034 -...devoted to his life and career. 1081 01:25:31,137 --> 01:25:34,103 So at least until 1983, 1082 01:25:34,206 --> 01:25:36,551 when Forrey stepped away from the magazine, 1083 01:25:36,655 --> 01:25:40,137 Lon Chaney was never out of the public eye. 1084 01:25:40,241 --> 01:25:43,758 -How old would he be now if he was alive? 1085 01:25:43,862 --> 01:25:47,689 -Lon Chaney would be...141. 1086 01:25:47,793 --> 01:25:49,655 -I bet he would still look awesome. 1087 01:25:49,758 --> 01:25:52,793 -He would be doing makeup, make himself look 18, right? 1088 01:25:52,896 --> 01:25:55,241 Right. 1089 01:33:56,137 --> 01:33:57,517 -So this is the part of the movie when 1090 01:33:57,620 --> 01:33:59,448 Charles Van Enger, the cinematographer, 1091 01:33:59,551 --> 01:34:00,827 really gets to show off. 1092 01:34:00,931 --> 01:34:02,551 At the time this film came out, 1093 01:34:02,655 --> 01:34:04,586 there were three color processes competing 1094 01:34:04,689 --> 01:34:06,344 for Hollywood's attention. 1095 01:34:06,448 --> 01:34:08,689 And "Phantom of the Opera" uses all three of them. 1096 01:34:08,793 --> 01:34:11,827 The Prizma system, which was invented in 1913, 1097 01:34:11,931 --> 01:34:13,862 was used for the color shots in the introduction, 1098 01:34:13,965 --> 01:34:16,103 what's called the Soldier's Night sequence, 1099 01:34:16,206 --> 01:34:18,103 going over the history of the opera house. 1100 01:34:18,206 --> 01:34:22,068 The Handschiegl process, invented in 1916, 1101 01:34:22,172 --> 01:34:24,000 was used to color the Phantom's cape 1102 01:34:24,103 --> 01:34:26,068 when he's up there on the roof, spying on the lovers. 1103 01:34:26,172 --> 01:34:29,034 And Technicolor, also introduced in 1916, 1104 01:34:29,137 --> 01:34:31,137 was used for the masked ball. 1105 01:34:31,241 --> 01:34:33,206 So many memorable images -- 1106 01:34:33,310 --> 01:34:35,275 I mean, the Phantom sweeping down the staircase 1107 01:34:35,379 --> 01:34:36,931 in his Red Death costume, 1108 01:34:37,034 --> 01:34:39,137 the Phantom perched on the roof angel, 1109 01:34:39,241 --> 01:34:41,000 the hundreds of extras partying. 1110 01:34:41,103 --> 01:34:43,931 These were grand scenes considered revolutionary 1111 01:34:44,034 --> 01:34:45,448 at the time of the premiere, 1112 01:34:45,551 --> 01:34:47,172 even though we're not sure exactly what 1113 01:34:47,275 --> 01:34:50,034 the Astor Theatre premiere audience saw. 1114 01:34:50,137 --> 01:34:53,034 Our best guess here at Shudder is that the print 1115 01:34:53,137 --> 01:34:54,793 we're watching tonight 1116 01:34:54,896 --> 01:34:57,413 is a combination of the 1925 theatrical release, 1117 01:34:57,517 --> 01:35:00,034 which had 17 minutes of color in it, 1118 01:35:00,137 --> 01:35:04,241 and the 1929 re-release with some sound added. 1119 01:35:04,344 --> 01:35:06,241 But nobody knows for sure. 1120 01:35:06,344 --> 01:35:09,620 Um, beca-- after six months of pre-production, 1121 01:35:09,724 --> 01:35:13,137 11 months of actual shooting, 9 months of post-production, 1122 01:35:13,241 --> 01:35:15,241 if you include the re-shoots and the re-edits, 1123 01:35:15,344 --> 01:35:17,793 Universal didn't bother to preserve any prints 1124 01:35:17,896 --> 01:35:19,758 from the original run of the movie. 1125 01:35:19,862 --> 01:35:22,793 So around 1950, Eastman Kodak in Rochester 1126 01:35:22,896 --> 01:35:24,551 goes to Universal and says, 1127 01:35:24,655 --> 01:35:26,724 "We've noticed that the nitrate negative is starting 1128 01:35:26,827 --> 01:35:28,068 to disintegrate. 1129 01:35:28,172 --> 01:35:29,344 You should really do something about it." 1130 01:35:29,448 --> 01:35:30,724 And they told Universal 1131 01:35:30,827 --> 01:35:32,586 that they wanted to help them save it. 1132 01:35:32,689 --> 01:35:34,793 But Universal had virtually nothing in storage. 1133 01:35:34,896 --> 01:35:37,172 Most of the prints of the movie that exist today 1134 01:35:37,275 --> 01:35:39,310 are compilations that have been cobbled together 1135 01:35:39,413 --> 01:35:41,172 from various outside sources. 1136 01:35:41,275 --> 01:35:43,344 I counted 12 different versions, 1137 01:35:43,448 --> 01:35:46,689 including the George Eastman house print from 1950 1138 01:35:46,793 --> 01:35:49,206 and the most recent Kino Lorber Blu-ray. 1139 01:35:49,310 --> 01:35:51,241 But the most valuable print is probably what's known 1140 01:35:51,344 --> 01:35:56,103 as the John Hampton Show-at-Home Duplications Compilation Print. 1141 01:35:56,206 --> 01:35:57,758 John Hampton was the original owner 1142 01:35:57,862 --> 01:36:00,344 of the Silent Movie Theater in LA, your favorite place. 1143 01:36:00,448 --> 01:36:02,310 -Yes, he was great. -Okay. 1144 01:36:02,413 --> 01:36:05,000 And so John Hampton found a stash 1145 01:36:05,103 --> 01:36:07,241 of 16-millimeter versions of "Phantom" 1146 01:36:07,344 --> 01:36:09,448 that had been made available to libraries and schools 1147 01:36:09,551 --> 01:36:11,172 and collectors, 1148 01:36:11,275 --> 01:36:12,793 and he combed through those for the best images 1149 01:36:12,896 --> 01:36:14,724 and the most complete assemblies. 1150 01:36:14,827 --> 01:36:16,379 It says something about the passion 1151 01:36:16,482 --> 01:36:18,103 people had for this project 1152 01:36:18,206 --> 01:36:21,448 that it has survived re-writes, re-edits, 1153 01:36:21,551 --> 01:36:23,103 new made-up endings, 1154 01:36:23,206 --> 01:36:25,275 and actual physical deterioration, 1155 01:36:25,379 --> 01:36:29,206 but it still holds up as a compelling work of art. 1156 01:36:29,310 --> 01:36:31,206 One thing I wanted to mention, 1157 01:36:31,310 --> 01:36:33,758 as evidence of how carefully the movie was art-directed, 1158 01:36:33,862 --> 01:36:37,586 is that bed in the Phantom's lair. 1159 01:36:37,689 --> 01:36:40,689 I-I think it's what you call a sleigh bed, 1160 01:36:40,793 --> 01:36:42,655 or you used to call a sleigh bed, 1161 01:36:42,758 --> 01:36:47,655 but it's got a ship's prow on the front and it's gold. 1162 01:36:47,758 --> 01:36:50,655 And the Phantom and Christine move around it quite a bit, 1163 01:36:50,758 --> 01:36:53,275 as though it's the place that both want to end up. 1164 01:36:53,379 --> 01:36:56,896 Am I the only person who thinks it's a very kinky bed? 1165 01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,931 -I feel like you are. Yes. Yes. 1166 01:36:59,034 --> 01:37:01,310 -Well, anyway, I looked into where they got it. 1167 01:37:01,413 --> 01:37:03,551 Carl Laemmle had sent all these people to Europe 1168 01:37:03,655 --> 01:37:05,344 to find artifacts, 1169 01:37:05,448 --> 01:37:07,655 and they purchased that bed at an auction 1170 01:37:07,758 --> 01:37:11,793 of the estate of a French entertainer named Gaby Deslys, 1171 01:37:11,896 --> 01:37:14,103 who was sort of the bad girl of Europe. 1172 01:37:14,206 --> 01:37:16,310 She was a dancer, then she was a singer, 1173 01:37:16,413 --> 01:37:18,482 then she was an actress, 1174 01:37:18,586 --> 01:37:20,620 and she was known for having a fairly public affair 1175 01:37:20,724 --> 01:37:22,206 with the King of Portugal. 1176 01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:24,275 And she created all these dances, 1177 01:37:24,379 --> 01:37:26,586 all these popular dances -- the Grizzly Bear, 1178 01:37:26,689 --> 01:37:28,206 the Turkey Trot. 1179 01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:31,275 And there was a dance named after her, the Gaby Glide. 1180 01:37:31,379 --> 01:37:33,965 So they brought the bed back to Universal, 1181 01:37:34,068 --> 01:37:36,206 and tell me this does not make it kinky. 1182 01:37:36,310 --> 01:37:39,137 They put it in a film called "Trifling Women" 1183 01:37:39,241 --> 01:37:41,068 starring Barbara La Marr. 1184 01:37:41,172 --> 01:37:43,137 And I don't think many people remember Barbara La Marr, 1185 01:37:43,241 --> 01:37:45,034 no relation to Hedy Lamarr, 1186 01:37:45,137 --> 01:37:47,172 but she was known as "the girl who is too beautiful" 1187 01:37:47,275 --> 01:37:49,344 because one time when she got arrested 1188 01:37:49,448 --> 01:37:51,965 for drunk and disorderly, the judge just sent her home 1189 01:37:52,068 --> 01:37:54,482 because he said she was too beautiful to go to jail. 1190 01:37:54,586 --> 01:37:58,724 Anyway, the bed was used for her exploits, 1191 01:37:58,827 --> 01:38:01,206 and many, many years later it would be used 1192 01:38:01,310 --> 01:38:04,413 as Norma Desmond's bed in "Sunset Boulevard." 1193 01:38:04,517 --> 01:38:06,482 But anyway, I think you look at that bed 1194 01:38:06,586 --> 01:38:08,551 and you instinctively go, 1195 01:38:08,655 --> 01:38:10,965 "Christine, don't sit on that bed. 1196 01:38:11,068 --> 01:38:13,862 Go away from that bed. Beware that bed." 1197 01:38:13,965 --> 01:38:15,724 -You've thought about this a lot, haven't you? 1198 01:38:15,827 --> 01:38:19,206 -Yeah. Too much. So let's go back to the movie. 1199 01:38:19,310 --> 01:38:21,724 Roll it. Do you know who Barbara La Marr was? 1200 01:38:21,827 --> 01:38:23,137 -Not really. 1201 01:38:23,241 --> 01:38:26,344 -Um, the opposite of Mary Philbin, 1202 01:38:26,448 --> 01:38:29,000 the ultimate Hollywood party girl. 1203 01:38:29,103 --> 01:38:32,379 Heavy drinker. Two hours of sleep a night. 1204 01:38:32,482 --> 01:38:34,758 Always on crash diets, 1205 01:38:34,862 --> 01:38:37,448 linked romantically to a new man every month. 1206 01:38:37,551 --> 01:38:39,724 Probably a lesbian. Um... 1207 01:38:39,827 --> 01:38:42,137 Collapsed on the set of "The Girl from Montmartre" 1208 01:38:42,241 --> 01:38:46,103 in 1925, went into a coma, never emerged from it. 1209 01:38:46,206 --> 01:38:48,758 -Wow. -Dead at 29. 1210 01:38:48,862 --> 01:38:51,931 The coroner said she died from tuberculosis and nephritis. 1211 01:38:52,034 --> 01:38:53,724 She died from partying. 1212 01:38:53,827 --> 01:38:55,793 -Wow. Respect. 1213 01:38:55,896 --> 01:38:57,310 -It's a choice, though, right? -Yes. 1214 01:38:57,413 --> 01:38:59,655 -Okay. All right. That was her bed. 1215 01:38:59,758 --> 01:39:02,172 The Phantom's bed is her bed. 1216 01:39:02,275 --> 01:39:03,344 -Okay, I get your point now. 1217 01:39:03,448 --> 01:39:05,172 -All right. Thank you. -You're welcome. 1218 01:51:47,344 --> 01:51:48,344 -Okay, Shane. 1219 01:51:48,448 --> 01:51:50,379 How are we doing in the ugly department? 1220 01:51:50,482 --> 01:51:52,896 -Oh, we're -- we're getting ugly. 1221 01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,172 Time clock is ticking, though. 1222 01:51:55,275 --> 01:51:57,517 -Spencer, thanks for being such a trooper. 1223 01:51:57,620 --> 01:51:59,068 What is your family gonna think 1224 01:51:59,172 --> 01:52:01,241 when they see you in this makeup? 1225 01:52:01,344 --> 01:52:04,448 -I'm in for a, uh, pretty rough Thanksgiving. 1226 01:52:04,551 --> 01:52:07,103 -All right. Are you guys gonna do a mask? 1227 01:52:07,206 --> 01:52:09,965 -Of course. What's the Phantom of the Opera without a mask? 1228 01:52:10,068 --> 01:52:11,586 It's getting to the point where we're gonna have to 1229 01:52:11,689 --> 01:52:12,793 hide this from you guys, anyway. 1230 01:52:12,896 --> 01:52:14,551 -Should we start hiding everything? 1231 01:52:14,655 --> 01:52:16,517 Should we start concealing the final result? 1232 01:52:16,620 --> 01:52:20,068 -Oh, yeah. I think it's time to hide this from the audience 1233 01:52:20,172 --> 01:52:23,620 so we get a big surprise when reveal happens. 1234 01:52:23,724 --> 01:52:26,206 -All right, carry on. You have about two and a half hours left. 1235 01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:28,620 -We're gonna make it. -Okay. 1236 01:52:28,724 --> 01:52:31,310 Darcy, we got some more glopola faces to compare. 1237 01:52:31,413 --> 01:52:33,620 Here's Robert Englund in a "Phantom of the Opera" 1238 01:52:33,724 --> 01:52:36,172 remake in 1989. What do you think of this one? 1239 01:52:36,275 --> 01:52:37,862 -It is very impressive. 1240 01:52:37,965 --> 01:52:40,034 But the Phantom's face is supposed 1241 01:52:40,137 --> 01:52:42,896 to resemble a human skull. -True. 1242 01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:45,620 And, actually, there were two Phantoms in 1989. 1243 01:52:45,724 --> 01:52:47,689 The other one was "Phantom of the Mall." 1244 01:52:47,793 --> 01:52:49,241 -Yeah. -But again, it's a face that 1245 01:52:49,344 --> 01:52:51,620 was horribly burned in a fire. Does that count? 1246 01:52:51,724 --> 01:52:53,896 Oh, it definitely counts. 1247 01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:56,482 -Okay. 1248 01:52:56,586 --> 01:52:58,413 The same would be true of Liam Neeson 1249 01:52:58,517 --> 01:53:00,275 in Sam Raimi's "Darkman." 1250 01:53:00,379 --> 01:53:03,172 -True. -And he was injured like that. 1251 01:53:03,275 --> 01:53:05,034 -Yeah, I-I love them both. 1252 01:53:05,137 --> 01:53:07,172 They look amazing, but they're really similar. 1253 01:53:07,275 --> 01:53:08,896 -You know, our friend Jill Schoelen 1254 01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:12,137 was the Christine character in two of those... 1255 01:53:12,241 --> 01:53:13,379 -I know. -...movies back to back. 1256 01:53:13,482 --> 01:53:16,172 She was in the Robert Englund "Phantom," 1257 01:53:16,275 --> 01:53:18,620 and then she was in "Popcorn" in 1991 1258 01:53:18,724 --> 01:53:21,862 with that disfigured dude haunting a theater. 1259 01:53:21,965 --> 01:53:24,413 Uh, which is the better Jill Schoelen "Phantom"? 1260 01:53:24,517 --> 01:53:28,206 -Oh, man, if I gotta pick, it's gotta be "Popcorn." 1261 01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:29,827 -Okay. -I love "Popcorn." 1262 01:53:29,931 --> 01:53:31,793 -Much of what you saw in that last sequence 1263 01:53:31,896 --> 01:53:34,896 was added material, not from the novel 1264 01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:38,620 that had one purpose -- to make you hate the Phantom. 1265 01:53:38,724 --> 01:53:40,862 He escaped from Devil's Island. 1266 01:53:40,965 --> 01:53:42,965 Not in the book. 1267 01:53:43,068 --> 01:53:46,103 He murders a stagehand at this point in the story. 1268 01:53:46,206 --> 01:53:47,965 Not in the book. 1269 01:53:48,068 --> 01:53:50,137 He's being tailed by a detective -- not in the book. 1270 01:53:50,241 --> 01:53:51,827 And that was actually something 1271 01:53:51,931 --> 01:53:54,000 you could only do in the silent era. 1272 01:53:54,103 --> 01:53:55,793 That character was supposed to be a character 1273 01:53:55,896 --> 01:53:57,655 from the novel called the Persian, 1274 01:53:57,758 --> 01:53:59,275 and the Persian was a man 1275 01:53:59,379 --> 01:54:01,379 who had saved the Phantom's life at a time 1276 01:54:01,482 --> 01:54:04,034 when the Phantom was living at the royal court of Persia, 1277 01:54:04,137 --> 01:54:06,689 showing the Shah how to engineer his castle 1278 01:54:06,793 --> 01:54:08,931 and make it impenetrable and safe, 1279 01:54:09,034 --> 01:54:11,344 and also demonstrating assassination techniques 1280 01:54:11,448 --> 01:54:13,241 that the Shah found to be convenient, 1281 01:54:13,344 --> 01:54:16,620 like the Punjab lasso. 1282 01:54:16,724 --> 01:54:19,241 That's why Raoul and Inspector Ledoux look ridiculous 1283 01:54:19,344 --> 01:54:22,172 as they walk underground, holding one finger up in the air 1284 01:54:22,275 --> 01:54:25,241 to avoid being lassoed Punjabi-style. 1285 01:54:25,344 --> 01:54:28,793 So when the Shah decided that Erik -- 1286 01:54:28,896 --> 01:54:30,241 that's the Phantom's actual name -- 1287 01:54:30,344 --> 01:54:32,413 when he decided that Erik knew too much, 1288 01:54:32,517 --> 01:54:34,310 he plotted to assassinate him. 1289 01:54:34,413 --> 01:54:36,724 But the Persian helped Erik to escape the country 1290 01:54:36,827 --> 01:54:38,620 and go to Paris, 1291 01:54:38,724 --> 01:54:40,551 so the Persian now is trying to rescue Christine 1292 01:54:40,655 --> 01:54:43,448 by appealing to Erik's sense of obligation to him. 1293 01:54:43,551 --> 01:54:46,310 Well, they just decided at some point to destroy 1294 01:54:46,413 --> 01:54:48,310 all that part of the plot, 1295 01:54:48,413 --> 01:54:51,103 since you don't know what anyone is saying in a silent movie, 1296 01:54:51,206 --> 01:54:53,137 and you can change what they're saying 1297 01:54:53,241 --> 01:54:55,827 and even their name by simply inserting a new title card. 1298 01:54:55,931 --> 01:54:57,517 That's what they did. 1299 01:54:57,620 --> 01:54:59,896 The Persian became Inspector Ledoux, 1300 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,620 undercover French police officer. 1301 01:55:01,724 --> 01:55:05,103 And, in fact, they had shot a whole lot of flashback footage 1302 01:55:05,206 --> 01:55:06,965 at the Persian court that was now wasted. 1303 01:55:07,068 --> 01:55:09,586 And they even bought an elephant specifically for 1304 01:55:09,689 --> 01:55:11,275 those Persian sequences. 1305 01:55:11,379 --> 01:55:13,034 The elephant's name was Minnie. 1306 01:55:13,137 --> 01:55:15,655 She was a five-ton circus elephant sold to Universal 1307 01:55:15,758 --> 01:55:17,517 by the Kansas City Shriners. 1308 01:55:17,620 --> 01:55:20,620 And her footage ended up on the cutting-room floor. 1309 01:55:20,724 --> 01:55:22,482 -Aw. -Minnie, however, ended up 1310 01:55:22,586 --> 01:55:26,172 at the Los Angeles Zoo in nearby Griffith Park... 1311 01:55:26,275 --> 01:55:27,655 -All right. -...where she was a star 1312 01:55:27,758 --> 01:55:30,896 attraction until her death about 20 years later. 1313 01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:35,206 Um, now, normally I don't go into story-conference notes 1314 01:55:35,310 --> 01:55:37,000 because it's boring and pointless. 1315 01:55:37,103 --> 01:55:38,655 We should just look at the movie that exists, 1316 01:55:38,758 --> 01:55:40,620 not the movie that was envisioned. 1317 01:55:40,724 --> 01:55:44,344 But in this particular case, it helps to understand -- 1318 01:55:44,448 --> 01:55:46,379 can I do this, Darcy? This is -- 1319 01:55:46,482 --> 01:55:47,724 -Would it matter if I say no? 1320 01:55:47,827 --> 01:55:49,103 -Of course not. -Then go ahead. 1321 01:55:49,206 --> 01:55:52,413 -All right. Publicity for "Phantom of the Opera" 1322 01:55:52,517 --> 01:55:54,689 started a full year before its official release, 1323 01:55:54,793 --> 01:55:58,000 and the studio was planning a February 1925 premiere 1324 01:55:58,103 --> 01:55:59,965 at the Globe Theatre in New York. 1325 01:56:00,068 --> 01:56:01,896 It would have been the first movie ever shown there. 1326 01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:05,103 The Globe was a very fancy, legitimate theater. 1327 01:56:05,206 --> 01:56:07,482 It's still there today. It's the Lunt-Fontanne. 1328 01:56:07,586 --> 01:56:12,310 Still fancy, but not as fancy as it was in 1925 1329 01:56:12,413 --> 01:56:16,068 when it originally extended all the way to Times Square. 1330 01:56:16,172 --> 01:56:17,655 New Yorkers familiar with Times Square 1331 01:56:17,758 --> 01:56:19,689 know what I'm talking about. 1332 01:56:19,793 --> 01:56:23,344 All that tacky retail between 46th and 47th on Broadway? 1333 01:56:23,448 --> 01:56:25,172 That was not there. 1334 01:56:25,275 --> 01:56:26,965 That was the grand promenade entrance to the Globe. 1335 01:56:27,068 --> 01:56:29,758 Anyway, not only did they book the Globe, 1336 01:56:29,862 --> 01:56:33,068 they rented two of the largest electric signs on Broadway, 1337 01:56:33,172 --> 01:56:36,068 and Carl Laemmle ordered a full-court publicity press 1338 01:56:36,172 --> 01:56:38,241 pointing to that February premiere. 1339 01:56:38,344 --> 01:56:41,655 But on January the 7th, about a month before the premiere, 1340 01:56:41,758 --> 01:56:44,689 the studio went into an all-out panic. 1341 01:56:44,793 --> 01:56:46,689 Laemmle had asked his friend Sid Grauman 1342 01:56:46,793 --> 01:56:48,413 to sneak the movie at one of his downtown 1343 01:56:48,517 --> 01:56:49,931 Los Angeles theaters, 1344 01:56:50,034 --> 01:56:52,482 and the audience despised the movie. 1345 01:56:52,586 --> 01:56:54,137 The comment cards came back 1346 01:56:54,241 --> 01:56:56,827 with devastating hatred for the ending, 1347 01:56:56,931 --> 01:57:00,310 confusion about some of the elements, including the Persian, 1348 01:57:00,413 --> 01:57:03,172 and they thought it was absurdly melodramatic. 1349 01:57:03,275 --> 01:57:04,862 They thought it was too long. 1350 01:57:04,965 --> 01:57:06,896 The editor, Gilmore Walker, 1351 01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:10,344 had started with a rough cut of 22 reels, 1352 01:57:10,448 --> 01:57:12,310 a four-hour film, 1353 01:57:12,413 --> 01:57:14,827 so, of course, they had to have an intermission. 1354 01:57:14,931 --> 01:57:18,620 Well, the small talk at intermission was all negative. 1355 01:57:18,724 --> 01:57:20,758 Quite a few people left the theater. 1356 01:57:20,862 --> 01:57:22,551 So the editing department started working 1357 01:57:22,655 --> 01:57:24,448 around the clock to change it. 1358 01:57:24,551 --> 01:57:28,241 And for the new cut, Walker got rid of 10 reels. 1359 01:57:28,344 --> 01:57:31,655 It was -- he was -- they were just editing with an ax. 1360 01:57:31,758 --> 01:57:35,068 And Laemmle ordered a second sneak on January the 27th. 1361 01:57:35,172 --> 01:57:38,275 This time the audience reaction was even worse. 1362 01:57:38,379 --> 01:57:40,172 So much had been cut out of the film now 1363 01:57:40,275 --> 01:57:41,793 that nobody understood the purpose 1364 01:57:41,896 --> 01:57:43,620 of many of the characters. 1365 01:57:43,724 --> 01:57:45,586 So Laemmle canceled the premiere at the Globe, 1366 01:57:45,689 --> 01:57:48,586 and he ordered Rupert Julian to shoot a new ending. 1367 01:57:48,689 --> 01:57:51,482 The Phantom had to die. Julian refused. 1368 01:57:51,586 --> 01:57:53,724 The ending he had shot was true to the spirit of the novel. 1369 01:57:53,827 --> 01:57:55,655 The Phantom is transformed by a kiss, 1370 01:57:55,758 --> 01:57:57,379 realizes the meaning of true love, 1371 01:57:57,482 --> 01:57:59,172 gives his blessing to Christine to marry Raoul, 1372 01:57:59,275 --> 01:58:01,482 and is later found dead at his organ. 1373 01:58:01,586 --> 01:58:03,379 But Laemmle was clear. 1374 01:58:03,482 --> 01:58:05,068 Based on audience reaction cards, 1375 01:58:05,172 --> 01:58:07,448 there must be no sympathy for the Phantom. 1376 01:58:07,551 --> 01:58:09,068 He must be killed. 1377 01:58:09,172 --> 01:58:11,103 And since Rupert Julian wouldn't shoot the new scenes, 1378 01:58:11,206 --> 01:58:14,413 he was fired and Laemmle brought in veteran Edward Sedgwick, 1379 01:58:14,517 --> 01:58:17,793 the director of those cheap Hoot Gibson westerns, 1380 01:58:17,896 --> 01:58:20,931 to shoot the new ending dreamed up by the story committee. 1381 01:58:21,034 --> 01:58:23,793 So the Phantom commits a murder of a stagehand 1382 01:58:23,896 --> 01:58:26,724 who "knows too much," and his grieving, 1383 01:58:26,827 --> 01:58:29,482 vengeance-seeking brother incites a mob 1384 01:58:29,586 --> 01:58:31,586 that chases the Phantom to his death. 1385 01:58:31,689 --> 01:58:35,517 Now, Sedgwick, who was also a comedy director, 1386 01:58:35,620 --> 01:58:38,655 inserted lots of "comic-relief scenes" 1387 01:58:38,758 --> 01:58:40,551 in an effort to satisfy the audience members 1388 01:58:40,655 --> 01:58:42,275 who were bored by the whole story, 1389 01:58:42,379 --> 01:58:43,896 when, in fact, they were apparently just bored 1390 01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:45,551 with the length of the whole story. 1391 01:58:45,655 --> 01:58:48,137 But this is also the point at which the Universal writers 1392 01:58:48,241 --> 01:58:52,482 decided that the Persian had, quote, "no rhyme nor reason," 1393 01:58:52,586 --> 01:58:54,758 and they converted him into an undercover policeman 1394 01:58:54,862 --> 01:58:58,000 chasing an escapee from Devil's Island. 1395 01:58:58,103 --> 01:59:01,379 A legendary title writer named Walter Anthony 1396 01:59:01,482 --> 01:59:04,758 was hired away from Paramount, brought from New York 1397 01:59:04,862 --> 01:59:06,793 to Hollywood just to work on "Phantom." 1398 01:59:06,896 --> 01:59:08,793 All publicity was halted. 1399 01:59:08,896 --> 01:59:10,620 When they'd made all the writing changes, 1400 01:59:10,724 --> 01:59:13,068 the character changes, the editing changes, 1401 01:59:13,172 --> 01:59:16,310 they scheduled a test run of the "new, improved film" 1402 01:59:16,413 --> 01:59:18,551 with a limited engagement in April and May 1403 01:59:18,655 --> 01:59:21,137 at the Curran Theatre in San Francisco. 1404 01:59:21,241 --> 01:59:22,896 Curran was another legitimate theater 1405 01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:24,862 where movies were never shown. 1406 01:59:24,965 --> 01:59:26,586 Um, actually, that's true to this day. 1407 01:59:26,689 --> 01:59:29,137 It's a famous pre-Broadway tryout house. 1408 01:59:29,241 --> 01:59:32,793 And the thinking was, "Okay, third time's a charm." 1409 01:59:32,896 --> 01:59:35,793 They used a version that included a duel, 1410 01:59:35,896 --> 01:59:38,275 lots of new comic-relief characters, and of course, 1411 01:59:38,379 --> 01:59:41,000 the new "throw the Phantom in the river" ending. 1412 01:59:41,103 --> 01:59:43,275 And the reaction was... 1413 01:59:43,379 --> 01:59:45,827 even worse than the first two screenings, 1414 01:59:45,931 --> 01:59:49,586 leading to another six months of tinkering and second guessing. 1415 01:59:49,689 --> 01:59:51,758 By the time the movie premiered in September 1416 01:59:51,862 --> 01:59:54,000 at the Astor in Times Square, 1417 01:59:54,103 --> 01:59:55,965 all the comic characters were gone, 1418 01:59:56,068 --> 01:59:58,034 all the stuff in Persia was gone, 1419 01:59:58,137 --> 02:00:00,310 the sequence in a churchyard was gone. 1420 02:00:00,413 --> 02:00:03,068 The besieged editor, Gilmore Walker, bless his heart -- 1421 02:00:03,172 --> 02:00:06,310 he had cut his original 22-reel version down to 10. 1422 02:00:06,413 --> 02:00:10,586 The studio ultimately decided on the leanest possible version 1423 02:00:10,689 --> 02:00:12,862 with the least possible nuance. 1424 02:00:12,965 --> 02:00:16,172 Christine loved Raoul and only Raoul. 1425 02:00:16,275 --> 02:00:18,551 The Phantom was a deranged killer and must die. 1426 02:00:18,655 --> 02:00:20,379 And poor Arthur Edmund Carewe, 1427 02:00:20,482 --> 02:00:22,724 the Armenian American playing the Persian -- 1428 02:00:22,827 --> 02:00:25,413 he was just unaware of anything he was saying or doing 1429 02:00:25,517 --> 02:00:28,586 because it had all been changed in the title cards. 1430 02:00:28,689 --> 02:00:30,689 Hollywood will always argue 1431 02:00:30,793 --> 02:00:32,793 over who's the real author of any movie. 1432 02:00:32,896 --> 02:00:34,655 You know, in some cases, it's the director. 1433 02:00:34,758 --> 02:00:36,586 In some cases, it's the writer. 1434 02:00:36,689 --> 02:00:38,241 In some cases, it's the producer. 1435 02:00:38,344 --> 02:00:40,000 In this case, 1436 02:00:40,103 --> 02:00:42,137 it was about 37 different people at the studio 1437 02:00:42,241 --> 02:00:45,517 and 10,000 audience members who had seen it at test screenings. 1438 02:00:45,620 --> 02:00:48,344 The only person who could claim true authorship of the movie 1439 02:00:48,448 --> 02:00:50,655 would be Carl Laemmle, the owner of Universal, 1440 02:00:50,758 --> 02:00:52,482 and the only person who could deliver a hit 1441 02:00:52,586 --> 02:00:56,275 under those circumstances was Lon Chaney. 1442 02:00:56,379 --> 02:01:01,103 It is a miracle that the movie survived at all. 1443 02:01:01,206 --> 02:01:02,275 Sorry, Darcy. 1444 02:01:02,379 --> 02:01:04,103 -Oh my God. Don't be. It was great. 1445 02:01:04,206 --> 02:01:05,724 But are you done now, though? 1446 02:01:05,827 --> 02:01:09,827 -Back to the conclusion of "Phantom of the Opera." 1447 02:01:09,931 --> 02:01:13,068 Am I ever done? -No. Never. 1448 02:01:13,172 --> 02:01:15,206 -That's what we do here. We talk it to death. 1449 02:01:15,310 --> 02:01:16,793 -And then you talk it some more. 1450 02:01:16,896 --> 02:01:18,689 -Yes. I call it dead-horse criticism. 1451 02:01:18,793 --> 02:01:20,724 That's what we do. -As you should. 1452 02:01:20,827 --> 02:01:21,965 -Not really. -Oh, no. 1453 02:01:22,068 --> 02:01:23,965 That is actually an excellent way to describe it. 1454 02:01:24,068 --> 02:01:25,655 -People love a deep dive, though. 1455 02:01:25,758 --> 02:01:27,620 -Not when the dive is so deep, you bump your head 1456 02:01:27,724 --> 02:01:29,862 on the floor of the pool and drown. 1457 02:01:29,965 --> 02:01:31,551 -Was it that bad? 1458 02:01:31,655 --> 02:01:33,448 -I mean, it was pretty long tonight, just saying. 1459 02:01:33,551 --> 02:01:34,862 -All right. -But, but, but, but! 1460 02:01:34,965 --> 02:01:36,724 -Happy birthday, "Phantom," is what I should say. 1461 02:01:36,827 --> 02:01:38,827 -No, exactly. "Phantom" deserves it. 1462 02:01:38,931 --> 02:01:40,862 Happy birthday, "Phantom." 1463 02:01:40,965 --> 02:01:43,172 And that is the only way you're getting away with this tonight, 1464 02:01:43,275 --> 02:01:43,965 just so you know. -I know. 1465 02:01:44,068 --> 02:01:44,965 -I know. -I know. 1466 02:01:45,068 --> 02:01:47,793 Okay. 1467 02:18:52,931 --> 02:18:55,310 -You know, I always wonder about that last comic moment 1468 02:18:55,413 --> 02:18:57,689 where the Phantom pretends to have a grenade in his hand, 1469 02:18:57,793 --> 02:18:59,103 but then he laughs at the mob 1470 02:18:59,206 --> 02:19:00,793 right before they tear him apart. 1471 02:19:00,896 --> 02:19:02,206 -That's great. 1472 02:19:02,310 --> 02:19:03,586 -I would love to watch the 22-reel, 1473 02:19:03,689 --> 02:19:05,344 four-hour version of "Phantom" 1474 02:19:05,448 --> 02:19:07,793 that was tested in January of 1925, 1475 02:19:07,896 --> 02:19:10,068 but we don't have any of that lost footage. 1476 02:19:10,172 --> 02:19:12,034 We don't have the footage from the Persian court. 1477 02:19:12,137 --> 02:19:13,931 We don't have Christine's visit to her father's grave 1478 02:19:14,034 --> 02:19:16,517 in the churchyard -- churchyard cemetery. 1479 02:19:16,620 --> 02:19:19,000 Uh, we don't even have those comic-relief sequences 1480 02:19:19,103 --> 02:19:21,586 that Edward Sedgwick shot to try to lighten it up. 1481 02:19:21,689 --> 02:19:23,965 We don't have the duel with Count Ruboff, 1482 02:19:24,068 --> 02:19:26,000 but what is it about this story 1483 02:19:26,103 --> 02:19:29,448 that has inspired so many adaptations and re-imaginings, 1484 02:19:29,551 --> 02:19:31,206 and what made it the longest-running show 1485 02:19:31,310 --> 02:19:32,931 in the history of Broadway? 1486 02:19:33,034 --> 02:19:36,275 13,981 performances at the Majestic Theatre 1487 02:19:36,379 --> 02:19:38,862 between 1988 and 2023, 1488 02:19:38,965 --> 02:19:40,517 with that giant chandelier rising 1489 02:19:40,620 --> 02:19:42,344 from the stage every night. 1490 02:19:42,448 --> 02:19:44,103 The chandelier scene, by the way, 1491 02:19:44,206 --> 02:19:46,000 was based on a real event at the Paris Opera. 1492 02:19:46,103 --> 02:19:48,862 An audience member was killed and several injured 1493 02:19:48,965 --> 02:19:50,931 when the chandelier did fall into the crowd 1494 02:19:51,034 --> 02:19:53,275 on a certain night in 1896. 1495 02:19:53,379 --> 02:19:56,655 I think the reason the Phantom story has persisted 1496 02:19:56,758 --> 02:19:58,896 is that it's so elastic. 1497 02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:01,413 Um, the Phantom can be anything from an assassin 1498 02:20:01,517 --> 02:20:03,310 to a psychopath 1499 02:20:03,413 --> 02:20:06,034 to a misunderstood genius with a heart of gold. 1500 02:20:06,137 --> 02:20:08,793 Every retelling creates a new Phantom, 1501 02:20:08,896 --> 02:20:10,931 so it's actually not a very original story. 1502 02:20:11,034 --> 02:20:13,448 It's very similar to the more famous novel 1503 02:20:13,551 --> 02:20:16,137 "Trilby" by George du Maurier. 1504 02:20:16,241 --> 02:20:22,655 The Phantom is a more reclusive version of Svengali in "Trilby," 1505 02:20:22,758 --> 02:20:25,344 but at the core of the story is the question, 1506 02:20:25,448 --> 02:20:27,827 does it make a difference if you're forced to go through life 1507 02:20:27,931 --> 02:20:29,586 with a face that the world rejects? 1508 02:20:29,689 --> 02:20:32,172 And, of course, the answer is, yes, it does. 1509 02:20:32,275 --> 02:20:36,655 Um, whether the Phantom dies by suicide, is killed by the mob, 1510 02:20:36,758 --> 02:20:38,448 or simply fades away, 1511 02:20:38,551 --> 02:20:40,034 as he does in the disappearing act at the end 1512 02:20:40,137 --> 02:20:42,310 of Andrew Lloyd Webber's version, 1513 02:20:42,413 --> 02:20:44,413 um, it's clear that he's cursed from birth. 1514 02:20:44,517 --> 02:20:48,103 He has no real chance because we do care what he looks like, 1515 02:20:48,206 --> 02:20:49,965 despite what we say. 1516 02:20:50,068 --> 02:20:51,827 There's also the idea in the novel and the film 1517 02:20:51,931 --> 02:20:53,655 and the musical 1518 02:20:53,758 --> 02:20:55,344 that the world is usually divided into two classes 1519 02:20:55,448 --> 02:20:58,896 of people -- the privileged and the outcasts. 1520 02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:00,793 And you can't cross that chasm. 1521 02:21:00,896 --> 02:21:02,965 Everything above ground at the Paris Opera House 1522 02:21:03,068 --> 02:21:05,206 is beautiful, wealthy, perfectly formed, 1523 02:21:05,310 --> 02:21:07,275 ordered, cultured. 1524 02:21:07,379 --> 02:21:09,310 And everything below ground at the Paris Opera House is ugly, 1525 02:21:09,413 --> 02:21:13,034 defiled, poor, mad, homeless, chaotic. 1526 02:21:13,137 --> 02:21:16,137 This is always a recipe for monstrous violence 1527 02:21:16,241 --> 02:21:18,344 and violent monsters. 1528 02:21:18,448 --> 02:21:21,241 Most of the people involved in the original "Phantom" 1529 02:21:21,344 --> 02:21:23,862 were forgotten by the time that they died, 1530 02:21:23,965 --> 02:21:25,896 Lon Chaney being the sole exception 1531 02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:28,655 because he died so soon, just five years after the premiere. 1532 02:21:28,758 --> 02:21:31,758 I already talked about the sad life of Mary Philbin, 1533 02:21:31,862 --> 02:21:35,103 who lived till age 91 as a virtual recluse. 1534 02:21:35,206 --> 02:21:36,827 Norman Kerry, who played Raoul, 1535 02:21:36,931 --> 02:21:39,241 didn't really get any work after 1931, 1536 02:21:39,344 --> 02:21:42,482 although he lived till 1956. 1537 02:21:42,586 --> 02:21:44,413 Uh, Rupert Julian, the director who had had 1538 02:21:44,517 --> 02:21:47,344 a distinguished theater and film career 1539 02:21:47,448 --> 02:21:49,517 as both an actor and a director, uh, 1540 02:21:49,620 --> 02:21:53,103 retired in 1936 after his sound career failed to take off, 1541 02:21:53,206 --> 02:21:55,448 and he died in 1943. 1542 02:21:55,551 --> 02:21:57,413 Arthur Edmund Carewe, the Armenian actor 1543 02:21:57,517 --> 02:21:59,758 who played Inspector Ledoux, 1544 02:21:59,862 --> 02:22:03,620 committed suicide in 1937 at the age of 53. 1545 02:22:03,724 --> 02:22:05,517 Gaston Leroux, the novelist, 1546 02:22:05,620 --> 02:22:07,827 lived only two years after the release of the movie, 1547 02:22:07,931 --> 02:22:09,827 but he seemed to enjoy the notoriety of it, 1548 02:22:09,931 --> 02:22:12,034 even after his novel had been butchered 1549 02:22:12,137 --> 02:22:14,517 by the Universal rewrite squad. 1550 02:22:14,620 --> 02:22:16,793 He didn't mind that much 'cause he was basically a reporter. 1551 02:22:16,896 --> 02:22:18,862 He was not a literary man. 1552 02:22:18,965 --> 02:22:21,896 He was really one of the most celebrated reporters of his day. 1553 02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:24,896 He wrote plays and novels, basically, as a sideline. 1554 02:22:25,000 --> 02:22:27,310 And even though Carl Laemmle would continue to invest 1555 02:22:27,413 --> 02:22:29,172 in the best horror films of the day, 1556 02:22:29,275 --> 02:22:31,068 including "Frankenstein," "Dracula," 1557 02:22:31,172 --> 02:22:32,689 "The Mummy," many others, 1558 02:22:32,793 --> 02:22:35,379 he would lose control of Universal in 1936 1559 02:22:35,482 --> 02:22:38,758 and a hostile takeover and die three years later. 1560 02:22:38,862 --> 02:22:42,172 And Darcy, one thing that was interesting to me 1561 02:22:42,275 --> 02:22:45,034 is that the torture chamber of the Phantom 1562 02:22:45,137 --> 02:22:47,862 was a room of infinite mirrors. -Oh, yeah. 1563 02:22:47,965 --> 02:22:50,448 That is absolutely my definition of torture. 1564 02:22:50,551 --> 02:22:52,275 -You hate mirrors. 1565 02:22:52,379 --> 02:22:54,000 -They're kind of -- they're overrated. 1566 02:22:54,103 --> 02:22:56,793 -I think the idea was that when that building 1567 02:22:56,896 --> 02:22:59,379 was being used as a revolutionary prison, 1568 02:22:59,482 --> 02:23:02,068 they put the mirrors there to make people watch themselves 1569 02:23:02,172 --> 02:23:04,896 as they were tortured. -That sounds unbearable. 1570 02:23:05,000 --> 02:23:06,862 -I'm not a fan of mirrors, 1571 02:23:06,965 --> 02:23:09,172 but even worse is watching myself on the actual show. 1572 02:23:09,275 --> 02:23:10,551 I can't -- I can't do it. 1573 02:23:10,655 --> 02:23:13,241 Sometimes I have to do it, but it's painful. 1574 02:23:13,344 --> 02:23:15,000 I try not to do it 'cause it makes me self-conscious. 1575 02:23:15,103 --> 02:23:18,413 -Aw. Well, it's way beyond self-conscious for me, 1576 02:23:18,517 --> 02:23:19,586 so I get it. -I know. 1577 02:23:19,689 --> 02:23:21,620 Well, um, no mirrors here. 1578 02:23:21,724 --> 02:23:23,620 So let's get ready for the second movie 1579 02:23:23,724 --> 02:23:25,448 of "The Last Drive-In" premiere tonight. 1580 02:23:25,551 --> 02:23:28,275 Uh, moving from the foundation film of "Phantom" movies 1581 02:23:28,379 --> 02:23:31,206 to the most batshit crazy of all "Phantom" movies, 1582 02:23:31,310 --> 02:23:34,034 Dario Argento's "Opera." -Whoo! 1583 02:23:34,137 --> 02:23:36,034 Do we have any pertinent mailbag first, though? 1584 02:23:36,137 --> 02:23:38,379 -Indeed we do. 1585 02:23:38,482 --> 02:23:41,827 This letter came in from Cliff Revard of Denver, 1586 02:23:41,931 --> 02:23:43,413 and I think you're gonna like it. 1587 02:23:43,517 --> 02:23:44,620 -Really? -Yes. 1588 02:23:44,724 --> 02:23:47,310 -Okay. 1589 02:23:47,413 --> 02:23:49,241 "Dear Joe Bob, my name is Cliff Revard, 1590 02:23:49,344 --> 02:23:50,862 and I am eight years old." 1591 02:23:50,965 --> 02:23:53,000 -Aw! -Well, they get younger and younger. 1592 02:23:53,103 --> 02:23:55,172 I gotta start watching my language on the show. 1593 02:23:55,275 --> 02:23:57,413 -He's gotta learn. -"I'm from Denver, Colorado, 1594 02:23:57,517 --> 02:23:58,827 in the neighborhood of Montbello. 1595 02:23:58,931 --> 02:24:00,586 My mom is helping to write this letter. 1596 02:24:00,689 --> 02:24:02,655 I have Rubinstein-Taybi Syndrome, 1597 02:24:02,758 --> 02:24:04,827 which is a rare genetic condition 1598 02:24:04,931 --> 02:24:06,758 that affected my brain, heart, vision, lungs, 1599 02:24:06,862 --> 02:24:09,000 and other areas of my body. 1600 02:24:09,103 --> 02:24:11,034 I'm very bright, but because I am non-verbal, 1601 02:24:11,137 --> 02:24:13,172 it is sometimes hard to show people how intelligent, 1602 02:24:13,275 --> 02:24:14,724 funny, and cool I am." -Aw. 1603 02:24:14,827 --> 02:24:16,379 -"Watching your show is one of our -- 1604 02:24:16,482 --> 02:24:18,862 my mom and mine -- favorite highlights of our week. 1605 02:24:18,965 --> 02:24:22,586 We get to cuddle in bed and focus on our shared comforts, 1606 02:24:22,689 --> 02:24:24,275 watching horror movies together. 1607 02:24:24,379 --> 02:24:26,448 It's a time where we are not focused on anything else 1608 02:24:26,551 --> 02:24:28,344 but just enjoying the moment. 1609 02:24:28,448 --> 02:24:30,689 I love learning about the movie and hearing fun facts. 1610 02:24:30,793 --> 02:24:32,344 I even laugh at your jokes." 1611 02:24:32,448 --> 02:24:34,965 Somebody laughs at my jokes, Darcy. 1612 02:24:35,068 --> 02:24:37,137 -It's a pity laugh. -Cliff laughs at my jokes. 1613 02:24:37,241 --> 02:24:39,931 He's just trying to be nice. 1614 02:24:40,034 --> 02:24:42,551 -Uh, "We love the dynamic between you and Darcy." 1615 02:24:42,655 --> 02:24:44,068 -Aw. -"And the cosplays are 1616 02:24:44,172 --> 02:24:45,793 always so fun.' -Aah! 1617 02:24:45,896 --> 02:24:48,758 -"You call your fans mutants and express how we are family. 1618 02:24:48,862 --> 02:24:52,793 And even though we may not all know one another personally, 1619 02:24:52,896 --> 02:24:54,965 I feel a connection to this community. 1620 02:24:55,068 --> 02:24:57,482 As long as we can come together once a week 1621 02:24:57,586 --> 02:24:59,689 and hang out with you and Darcy and the gang, 1622 02:24:59,793 --> 02:25:02,310 we are never alone." 1623 02:25:02,413 --> 02:25:04,551 I'm sorry. It's nice. 1624 02:25:04,655 --> 02:25:06,137 -Why did you do this? -It's a nice letter. 1625 02:25:06,241 --> 02:25:07,482 -"I'm happy to have my mutant family. 1626 02:25:07,586 --> 02:25:09,379 When I grow up. I want to write horror movies 1627 02:25:09,482 --> 02:25:11,655 and own a drive-in. Who knows, maybe someday you may 1628 02:25:11,758 --> 02:25:13,000 host my movie at my drive-in." -Hell, yeah. 1629 02:25:13,103 --> 02:25:15,482 -"Darcy and Joe Bob, please keep doing what you're doing. 1630 02:25:15,586 --> 02:25:16,793 It is really special. 1631 02:25:16,896 --> 02:25:19,275 Love your mutant family member, Cliff Revard." 1632 02:25:19,379 --> 02:25:22,241 Okay, well, Cliffy -- I'm calling you Cliffy, 1633 02:25:22,344 --> 02:25:25,620 because that's what it says on the outside of the envelope -- 1634 02:25:25,724 --> 02:25:28,448 um, thanks for summing up what it's all about. 1635 02:25:28,551 --> 02:25:30,482 We're a bunch of people who are homeless in the world, 1636 02:25:30,586 --> 02:25:32,310 but at home with one another. 1637 02:25:32,413 --> 02:25:34,862 So something about horror does that to people. 1638 02:25:34,965 --> 02:25:36,551 And you're actually not the first 1639 02:25:36,655 --> 02:25:39,000 non-verbal fan of the show. We have another guy. 1640 02:25:39,103 --> 02:25:40,620 I don't know if he has Rubinstein-Taybi 1641 02:25:40,724 --> 02:25:42,241 or something else, but I met him at one 1642 02:25:42,344 --> 02:25:43,965 of the conventions in Pennsylvania. 1643 02:25:44,068 --> 02:25:45,689 So when God gave out words, 1644 02:25:45,793 --> 02:25:47,000 he apparently gave them out unevenly 1645 02:25:47,103 --> 02:25:48,862 so that those of us who have too many words -- 1646 02:25:48,965 --> 02:25:50,620 and don't say anything about that, Darcy... 1647 02:25:50,724 --> 02:25:52,000 -I said nothing. -...can donate some to 1648 02:25:52,103 --> 02:25:54,448 the wordless by speaking up for them. 1649 02:25:54,551 --> 02:25:57,379 Shane, I hope you're at least half done, 1650 02:25:57,482 --> 02:25:59,862 'cause we are out of here. 1651 02:25:59,965 --> 02:26:04,896 -I am about half done with the sculpting, 1652 02:26:05,000 --> 02:26:06,448 and then I'm gonna get ready to paint it. 1653 02:26:06,551 --> 02:26:08,068 So, yeah, I'm feeling pretty good. 1654 02:26:08,172 --> 02:26:11,206 -All right. Remember, it's not ugly 1655 02:26:11,310 --> 02:26:14,275 until it makes you want to throw up. 1656 02:26:14,379 --> 02:26:15,896 -The time-constraint thing is kind of making me 1657 02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:17,551 me want to throw up. 1658 02:26:17,655 --> 02:26:19,931 I think I'm gonna be okay, though. 1659 02:26:20,034 --> 02:26:22,931 -And, Spencer, I feel like I owe you an apology. 1660 02:26:23,034 --> 02:26:26,379 -No, man, you sent me those two bolo ties a few months back. 1661 02:26:26,482 --> 02:26:29,137 Just keep those coming, and we're square. 1662 02:26:29,241 --> 02:26:31,172 -But, Spencer, you -- but you are free to throw up 1663 02:26:31,275 --> 02:26:32,448 whenever you want. 1664 02:26:32,551 --> 02:26:34,241 Go ahead. -You must have missed it. 1665 02:26:34,344 --> 02:26:36,310 About five minutes ago, I vomited all over Shane. 1666 02:26:36,413 --> 02:26:37,896 Sorry about your boots, buddy. 1667 02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:39,620 -It's all right. 1668 02:26:39,724 --> 02:26:41,655 -They weren't real suede, were they? 1669 02:26:41,758 --> 02:26:45,724 -All right, just one more movie, and then you're done. 1670 02:26:45,827 --> 02:26:48,034 And now we're gonna clean up our clothes 1671 02:26:48,137 --> 02:26:50,206 and get ready for part two 1672 02:26:50,310 --> 02:26:53,034 of "The Phantom of the Opera" 100th birthday. 1673 02:26:53,137 --> 02:26:54,551 And then after that, we're gonna reveal 1674 02:26:54,655 --> 02:26:56,206 the ultimate ugly face. 1675 02:26:56,310 --> 02:26:58,482 I'm Joe Bob Briggs with Darcy the Mail Girl, 1676 02:26:58,586 --> 02:27:01,310 reminding you that the only thing fair in life 1677 02:27:01,413 --> 02:27:04,137 is the hair on a Norwegian albino's butt, 1678 02:27:04,241 --> 02:27:06,758 and the drive-in will never die. 1679 02:27:06,862 --> 02:27:08,862 What? 1680 02:27:08,965 --> 02:27:10,448 -I've got a -- I've got a -- -It's okay. 1681 02:27:10,551 --> 02:27:11,793 -I've got an ugly joke. -Okay, go for it. 1682 02:27:11,896 --> 02:27:14,344 -All right. Three women die and go to Heaven. 1683 02:27:14,448 --> 02:27:16,482 -Okay. -When they get to Heaven, 1684 02:27:16,586 --> 02:27:18,827 Saint Peter says, "We only have one rule here in Heaven -- 1685 02:27:18,931 --> 02:27:21,965 don't step on the ducks." So they enter Heaven, 1686 02:27:22,068 --> 02:27:23,827 and sure enough, there are ducks all over the place. 1687 02:27:23,931 --> 02:27:26,137 It's almost impossible not to step on a duck. 1688 02:27:26,241 --> 02:27:28,344 And although they try their best to avoid them, 1689 02:27:28,448 --> 02:27:31,482 the first woman accidentally steps on a duck. 1690 02:27:31,586 --> 02:27:34,689 So along comes Saint Peter with the ugliest man she ever saw. 1691 02:27:34,793 --> 02:27:37,000 And Saint Peter chains them together and says, 1692 02:27:37,103 --> 02:27:39,000 "Your punishment for stepping on a duck 1693 02:27:39,103 --> 02:27:43,379 is to spend eternity chained to this man." 1694 02:27:43,482 --> 02:27:45,172 So the next day, 1695 02:27:45,275 --> 02:27:46,448 the second woman accidentally steps on a duck. 1696 02:27:46,551 --> 02:27:49,103 Along comes Saint Peter. He doesn't miss a thing. 1697 02:27:49,206 --> 02:27:51,206 With him is another extremely ugly man. 1698 02:27:51,310 --> 02:27:53,275 He chains them together with the same admonishment 1699 02:27:53,379 --> 02:27:57,724 as for the first woman -- for eternity. 1700 02:27:57,827 --> 02:28:00,068 The third woman has observed all this, 1701 02:28:00,172 --> 02:28:03,310 and not wanting to be chained for all eternity to an ugly man, 1702 02:28:03,413 --> 02:28:05,965 she's very careful where she steps. 1703 02:28:06,068 --> 02:28:09,517 She manages to go months without stepping on any ducks, 1704 02:28:09,620 --> 02:28:11,620 but one day Saint Peter comes up to her 1705 02:28:11,724 --> 02:28:14,068 with the most handsome man she's ever laid eyes on. 1706 02:28:14,172 --> 02:28:17,000 He's tall, he's muscular, he's thin. 1707 02:28:17,103 --> 02:28:19,896 Saint Peter chains them together without saying a word, 1708 02:28:20,000 --> 02:28:21,793 and the happy woman says, 1709 02:28:21,896 --> 02:28:23,689 "I wonder what I did to deserve being chained to you 1710 02:28:23,793 --> 02:28:24,931 for all eternity." 1711 02:28:25,034 --> 02:28:26,206 And the guy says, "I don't know about you, 1712 02:28:26,310 --> 02:28:28,275 but I stepped on a duck." 1713 02:28:31,620 --> 02:28:34,517 -That's mean. That's not nice. 138163

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