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I don't know
whether it's a liability or an asset.
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Because sometimes I feel like
I'm three or four different people.
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I want to paint a while, and it just burn
within me just to paint, paint, paint, paint.
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Then that cools off
and then I wanna play my music, you know.
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That cool off,I wanna write poetry.
I wanna do this, I wanna do something else.
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Actually, I feel sometimes
like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
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I met this young lady in 1932...
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who was an undertaker's daughter.
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So she invite me
to see her father's undertaker shop.
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Then she began to explain to me
about all the different coffins...
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uh, half couch or full couch.
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All that I didn't like anyway...
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because I wasn't interested
in death nor dying.
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So one night she came to
a party where we were playing.
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At that time my group
was called the Four Keys.
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And so she was a little tipsy,
so she walked over to each member...
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and she walked over to Mr. Martin
and she says...
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"I know who you are.
You are Duke Ellington. "
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And so she came to Bogan,
the guitar player, says, uh...
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"You are Ted Lewis. "
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Then she sauntered over to me
and she says...
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"You're Armstrong.
I know you're Armstrong.
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"But you're not Louie Armstrong,
that Louie.
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You're just plain ol' Louie Bluie,
that's what you are. "
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And so I used the name
to record under later.
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That'll get that rheumatism
out of your old bones.
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- My fingers.
- It's not your fingers, it's your mind.
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You didn't miss anything on the table
this morning with your fingers.
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I know I didn't miss nothin', 'cause I didn't
have nothin'after you got through with itl
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Hey, uh, Mr. Yank Rachell,
how you like those goodies?
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I wouldn't let you play
in my backyard.
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Why you won't let me
play in your backyard?
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'Cause I ain't gon'
let you in my backyard.
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What about Bogan here?
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- Bogan can come in there.
- He can come in?
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Yeah. But you can't.
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Oh, you don't think
so much of me.
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No.
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Hey, Ted, when did you make this tune?
You forgotten when you recorded this thing?
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- No.
- Well, what year?
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- When did we record this old tune?
- It was right here in Chicago.
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- What year?
- 1934.
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That was down at
Merchandise Mart, wasn't it?
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The guy told us if we played any faster
the thing would catch on fire.
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- You remember that?
- Yeah.
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It's my greatest hope and fondest joy.
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To talk about Mr. Bogan here...
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And how I brought him out of the land
of the valley of the shadow.
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But he's never been anything
but a Casanova all ofhis life.
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If I'm lyin', I hope somethin'big
comes out of the woods and grabs me.
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The dude... There wasn't
a thing wrong with his look.
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Women fell for the dude
head over heels.
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We used to call him Mr. Black Gable.
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He had that smile, you know,
and some chick bought him a gold crown.
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And every opportunity he was
showin' that piece of gold, you know.
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Women fell over all kinds of ways
about this dude.
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He was so greedy after women...
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Just like a one-eyed cat
watchin'two rat holes.
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Wasn't that right, Bogan?
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Tell me when you hear nothing,
say nothing.
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But really,
this dude had a way with women.
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That's why right today
he's no good...
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as, uh, marriage material.
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See what I mean? Women would
just see him and wanna take him down...
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You married two,
and they both divorced you.
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Anyway,
I had pretty nice handwritin'.
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And when I met Ted, Ted saw...
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He couldn't believe all the curlicues
and all the stuff I used to make.
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He said, "Hey, man. "
I said, "What is it, dude?"
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He says, "I want you to drop
a few little scrawls to my women. "
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"Your women? What women?
How many you got?"
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"Well, I just got two
we gonna write to today. "
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I said, "Okay, uh, I'll write it. "
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And I put all... You shoulda seen
what I wrote to this gal.
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- Shouldn't he, Ted?
- Yeah.
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I wrote some beautiful letters.
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And so I said, "Well... " I was getting
ready to put 'em in an envelope.
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I said, "Dude, I might as well"...
I backed the envelope. Sure did.
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Put the right name
on the envelope, didn't I?
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Only one catch...
I put the wrong letter in the envelope.
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I put one in one wrong
and one in the other one wrong.
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But to me
that was a righteous deed.
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What did the women say
that got the letters, Ted?
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I haven't heard from 'em since.
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They gave him the silent treatment!
What you think they said?
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- You enjoyed that, didn't you?
- Oh, that was the sweetest day of my life.
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I'm enjoyin'
what they call the golden years...
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'Cause I can function yet
like a man.
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I don't get in bed
and go do some pretense.
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I don't care if the woman
is young, middle-aged or old.
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Just like one time my girl she says,
I forgot to ask you how old you are. "
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I said, How old I am?"
I said, Hell, I didn't know you wanted agel
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But if you wanna know how old I am,
by God, here's my birth certificate...
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Stickin'straight up
where you can see itl"
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Nothin' wrong with your jaw bone
nor the muscles of your mouth...
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'cause you got a mouth like the Mammoth Caverns.
Thank you very much.
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- You know, the only thing wrong with you...
- What's that?
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- You got too much mouth.
- Thank you, sir.
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Did you hear what he said?
You couldn't hear 'cause you're chewin'too loud.
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I'll tell you somethin'
if you wanna hear somethin'.
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Huh? What's that?
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If I had one biscuit
and you hadn't eaten nothin' in a month...
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I'd break it in two and eat both pieces.
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I believe ya.
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And he tell the truth
about that, isn't he, Ted?
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- Yeah, I reckon so.
- Good as I been to him.
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I brought him up here and introduced him
to the best woman you ever saw.
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The best gal...
You know who she was.
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He married her,
and then he regretted it.
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How many kids did y'all have, Yank?
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Never had one.
Never could have one, no.
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- Well, your wife had a bunch of'em.
- Well, that was her. You'll have to ask her.
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You're taking care of somebody else's then.
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- We all do thatl
- You, maybe.
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Now, wait a minute. What is that? Pants?
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That's what they are.
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You always did like a lot of color.
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I've seen clowns in circuses
wouldn't wear that crap you got.
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You could play checkers
on that damn suit you got there.
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You know, when I knew you
you wore kind of conservative clothes.
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Now you just wear anything
you can get, don't you?
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That's the shirt I want...
that orange one with the green stripe in it.
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See, you oughta give me that one...
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On account of I let you have your first pair
of store-bought shoes that you ever wore.
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What? You give it to me?
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If you can give me $5.00 for that.
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Okay. Put that on account,
on account of that I haveth no money.
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You done quit drinkin'now,
haven't ya?
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You used to drink sweat off a grape.
Anything, you know.
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But that's... that's "used to. "
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No, I liked you
a whole lot better when...
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You know... You see, I liked you
when you were a drunkard...
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because you were
an honest drunkard.
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But now you are a hypocrite
and a big liar.
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You stopped drinkin'.
You were honest when you were drinkin'.
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I cannot relate to you
the way you are, man.
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Can't even play my good, old-time,
low-down, funky blues anymore.
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I seen the time
if I asked you for this ol'jive shirt...
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You'd say, Here, take it, Louie Bluie.
Take it and go. "
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- I told you to take it and go.
- Oh, you did?
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- Yeah.
- You know, I'm gon'tell you somethin'.
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- You the best fella ever I saw in the world.
- You see that?
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I'll tell you some more good ones...
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Hey, look. You see this picture here?
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Yeah.
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That's the old blast furnace.
All this I drew from memory.
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- Didn't have photographs and things.
- Yeah.
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- That's what we used to do on our...
- Who are they?
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They were wash women.
You just go out to a tree and wash.
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And this is me when I used to lead a blind man
around and pick up nickels and dimes...
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and pennies for him.
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And this is the guy they called Cheese.
Used to play piano.
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From Birmingham, Alabama.
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This was Old Lady Satterfield,
the village mother, you know.
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She was over 100 years old.
That's the old hearse.
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And this is the house
where I used to live.
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I been exposed to music all my life.
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The town that I grew up in
is called LaFollette, Tennessee.
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There were 11 of us in the family.
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All those older than me
could play some instrument.
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So I started off playing music
by listening to my dad.
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He gave me some instructions
on the mandolin and whatnot...
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Because after he got into
the preaching business...
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They decided... he and his church members...
that that was the devil's instrument...
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And it wasn't becoming
for a minister to play string music.
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So he threw his old mandolin
in my lap.
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See, this is a picture I know you'll recognize...
old photograph.
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- Sure.
- We used to play in all 'em hedges and highways.
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Street corners and everywhere.
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Country fairs.
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And, you know, during that time
there was a whole lot of black fiddlers...
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who could really play.
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But they couldn't get in to compete
with the white fiddle players.
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Never could. They never let me
get in on a fiddler's contest.
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There were guys in there
fiddlin' and scrapin'.
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Couldn't play a damn 'nough music
to keep the flies off a dog's dick.
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Many people didn't know,
especially those in the cities...
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That black people, you know,
black musicians, string bands, whatnot...
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played country music too.
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We used to play hoedowns
and all that sort of music...
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Like Ida Red, " "John Henry"
and Cacklin'Hen. "
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But that's really
a hard number to do.
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Chorus!
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I ain't seen you in ages.
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Well, it's good to be back,
but anyway it's kinda like walking in a dream.
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My brother Roland was playing...
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In a band I was playing in
in Knoxville...
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so we had a little engagement
at that radio station, WROL.
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Everybody all up and down the strip
had their little sets turned on...
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'Cause they know we were gonna
come over big, you know.
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And all I used to do, Ed, just take
a piece of music and run it down...
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and then I had it, you know,
and I had that.
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- Yeah, you could play any kind of mu... Anything.
- Yeah.
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And I had it on until
the man announced the band.
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He says, "Now, ladies and gentlemen,
our feature for the evening...
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"is, uh, Tennessee Chocolate Drops.
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"And they're gonna play
as their first selection...
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'I Miss a Little Miss
Who Misses Me in Sunny Tennessee. "'
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My mind went just as blank
as the Red Sea.
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So, I didn't know how to start it.
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Sometimes you played intro
back then, you know.
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And I "fiddle-dee-deed. "
I fiddled all the way from "C" to E-flat.
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My brother Roland chewed tobacco...
he played the bass...
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and he leaned over and tried to whistle the song
so I would get the start...
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and got strangled on his tobacco
and started coughing.
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It tickled me.
And it came to me.
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And then we picked up the song.
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So the next day all the cats on the street said,
"Man, you guys really were cooking last night.
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But lookee here, that was
the craziest intro ever I heard. "
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I said, "You don't know how near you came
to not even gettin' a song. "
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That's when we used to play
up on Vine Street.
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Used to be another blind guy played
over there at the boarding house.
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That was a guy I left here with.
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Mm-hmm.
He had a great big bass violin.
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- His brother Carl played the bass fiddle.
- Boy, they made good...
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I didn't know you knew
that old boarding house was over there.
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Well, I been here 66 years!
What you talkin' about?
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- Watch yourself now. It's all right.
- I'm proud of it!
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Well, the first string bands
that I, uh, came in contact with...
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Were just local bands
in the hills around LaFollette.
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00:18:07,986 --> 00:18:12,980
They were made up of fellas who even worked
in the mine, dug coal, worked at the blast furnace.
222
00:18:13,092 --> 00:18:16,823
Most of the string bands composed
of just whatever came to hand.
223
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They had mandolin, fiddles, guitar.
224
00:18:20,632 --> 00:18:22,657
Once in a while you would see a sax...
225
00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:26,568
But they didn't figure
that they belonged in a string band.
226
00:18:28,107 --> 00:18:30,974
Black musicians played so many things...
227
00:18:31,076 --> 00:18:35,069
stovepipe, cue sticks,
broom handles, jugs...
228
00:18:35,180 --> 00:18:38,877
I mean, could really blow at y'all.
229
00:19:26,932 --> 00:19:29,230
I organized a little string band.
230
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I played the fiddle...
231
00:19:31,003 --> 00:19:36,236
And my brother Roland played a homemade
bass my dad made out of a goods box.
232
00:19:36,341 --> 00:19:38,935
My brother L. C. Played the guitar...
233
00:19:39,044 --> 00:19:43,174
And F. L., the baby boy,
six years old...
234
00:19:43,282 --> 00:19:46,149
He played the banjolele or ukulele.
235
00:19:47,486 --> 00:19:53,425
My band played all the same kinds of jobs
as other black string bands did in those days.
236
00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:59,490
We would play for outings,
picnics, fish fries.
237
00:19:59,598 --> 00:20:04,831
Our biggest plays were done for the elite of...
White people, you know.
238
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The upper crust, as we used to say.
The elite white people.
239
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,201
We would play for those banquets
and all those different things.
240
00:20:13,512 --> 00:20:16,140
Maybe they would
have a political campaign.
241
00:20:16,248 --> 00:20:20,981
They would hire us to go out,
play on excursions and things like that.
242
00:20:24,623 --> 00:20:28,320
We couldn't play the blues,
you know, for the white people.
243
00:20:28,427 --> 00:20:31,328
We learned how to play
the pop songs, you know...
244
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:33,990
Like, um,
Brown Eyes, Why You Blue?"
245
00:20:34,099 --> 00:20:36,499
If you came out there playing
some low-down blues...
246
00:20:36,602 --> 00:20:39,571
They'd pack up and leave, or either
you'd have to pack up and run...
247
00:20:39,671 --> 00:20:42,697
because they'd put some heat on you
that you couldn't stand.
248
00:20:44,843 --> 00:20:46,868
This is my sister-in-law.
249
00:20:46,979 --> 00:20:51,382
I don't care how many times she been married.
She's still my sister-in-law.
250
00:20:51,483 --> 00:20:53,383
The feeling hasn't changed.
251
00:20:53,485 --> 00:20:58,479
She was married to my brother,
Reverend Roland Armstrong.
252
00:20:58,590 --> 00:21:01,491
You know, your brother was
a good musician, Willie Osmond.
253
00:21:01,593 --> 00:21:04,289
- Yes, he was.
- Arthur was a good musician.
254
00:21:04,396 --> 00:21:07,923
And your dad, you know, he played
everything, nearly, Mr. Osmond.
255
00:21:08,033 --> 00:21:09,432
Yes, he did.
256
00:21:09,534 --> 00:21:12,935
And my dad... You know,
Rev. Armstrong, he used to play...
257
00:21:13,038 --> 00:21:17,338
As a matter of fact, he taught me
how to play on an old tater-bug mandolin.
258
00:21:17,442 --> 00:21:19,842
He also taught me the ukulele.
259
00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:24,848
But I didn't know that your sister
Mary could play all that much music.
260
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:27,111
Yesterday, when we came by...
261
00:21:27,219 --> 00:21:29,551
She seemed to be very, very shy.
262
00:21:29,655 --> 00:21:34,115
- But she really can set that thing on fire.
- She sure can.
263
00:23:30,842 --> 00:23:33,743
So they said we'll have a recitation...
264
00:23:33,845 --> 00:23:35,506
by Marvin McDowell.
265
00:23:35,614 --> 00:23:38,310
"Grosner beats the little sandpiper"...
266
00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:40,317
That's enough of that, you know.
267
00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:43,320
So the teacher, after about three,
got up there and said...
268
00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:48,519
"The next one says anything
about that doggoned sandpiper...
269
00:23:48,627 --> 00:23:51,187
I'm gonna take him to the cloak room. "
270
00:23:51,296 --> 00:23:54,129
But the sad part, you see,
my poor ol' mother was sittin' back there...
271
00:23:54,232 --> 00:23:55,824
and some other parents...
272
00:23:55,934 --> 00:24:00,997
and that old chicken-eating preacher
they called Rev. Parks, I didn't like him very well.
273
00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:04,439
So after they'd recited the thing
about three times...
274
00:24:04,543 --> 00:24:06,443
well, they called on me.
275
00:24:06,545 --> 00:24:10,743
"We gonna have a recitation by
Master William Howard Armstrong. "
276
00:24:10,849 --> 00:24:12,749
- You know what I mean?
- Yes. Uh-huh.
277
00:24:12,851 --> 00:24:16,287
That was me! Mama just looked back
and smiled so pretty, you know.
278
00:24:16,388 --> 00:24:18,015
Say, "You tell 'em, tiger!"
279
00:24:18,123 --> 00:24:22,184
And all the kids were very happy 'cause
they knew they were gonna hear somethin'...
280
00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:24,762
Unusual, at least different,
you know.
281
00:24:24,863 --> 00:24:28,799
I got out with my little
Boy Scout shoes on, you know...
282
00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:33,064
And got the right stance,
just like I was Abraham Lincoln, you know...
283
00:24:33,171 --> 00:24:35,071
and I even addressed 'em.
284
00:24:35,173 --> 00:24:38,939
"Faculty, student body and friends,"
I says, "I'm gonna talk about a bird...
285
00:24:39,044 --> 00:24:41,945
"but it's a different bird;
it's not gonna be a sandpiper.
286
00:24:42,047 --> 00:24:43,947
One that you're all familiar with. "
287
00:24:44,049 --> 00:24:46,108
Mama nodded.
"You tell 'em, son. "
288
00:24:46,218 --> 00:24:49,483
I reared back, and that old woman
was just beamin' with pride.
289
00:24:49,588 --> 00:24:51,146
I said...
290
00:24:51,256 --> 00:24:55,215
"The woodpecker flew
to the schoolhouse yard.
291
00:24:55,327 --> 00:24:58,387
He wanted to peck
because his pecker was hard. "
292
00:25:00,131 --> 00:25:04,033
"The woodpecker flew
to the schoolhouse door.
293
00:25:04,135 --> 00:25:07,070
He pecked so long
till his pecker got sore. "
294
00:25:07,172 --> 00:25:10,573
Then they were gettin' up.
I saw 'em gettin' up.
295
00:25:10,675 --> 00:25:15,305
"The woodpecker,
he pecked all night till the break of day.
296
00:25:15,413 --> 00:25:17,608
When the sun rose up he flew away. "
297
00:25:17,716 --> 00:25:20,549
And 'bout that time
they had me by the ear, by the feet.
298
00:25:20,652 --> 00:25:22,552
Even old man Parks had me.
299
00:25:22,654 --> 00:25:25,782
They upped and liked
to beat all the hide off me.
300
00:25:25,891 --> 00:25:28,587
That was my last time,
I think, appearing on...
301
00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:31,594
On... in school.
302
00:25:34,699 --> 00:25:37,099
Oh, my goodness. What are you...
303
00:25:37,202 --> 00:25:40,171
What you laughin' 'bout?
You forgot that, girl?
304
00:25:44,376 --> 00:25:48,244
Now, here's somethin' that you got
that used to be common, you know.
305
00:25:48,313 --> 00:25:50,213
This little ol' hen here?
306
00:25:50,315 --> 00:25:53,216
I guess you don't know
where the salt shakers went.
307
00:25:53,318 --> 00:25:55,218
That was the old hen.
308
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,687
We've had that for many a year.
That belonged to my wife.
309
00:25:58,790 --> 00:26:01,020
- Really?
- Yeah.
310
00:26:01,126 --> 00:26:03,526
These were all her things here.
311
00:26:03,628 --> 00:26:05,459
- Well, look...
- I don't remember you.
312
00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:07,327
No, well, I... I lived on...
313
00:26:07,432 --> 00:26:10,162
I lived on Seventh Street years ago.
314
00:26:10,268 --> 00:26:14,034
And the houses were so close together
you could piss out one window...
315
00:26:14,139 --> 00:26:16,198
and puke out the other.
316
00:26:16,308 --> 00:26:18,708
The first screen doors
and things that I saw...
317
00:26:18,810 --> 00:26:22,371
I thought they were put up there
to keep the flies in the house...
318
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,040
not out of the house.
319
00:26:25,150 --> 00:26:30,053
And if Mama's favorite preacher was there
eatin'up my daddy's good fried chicken...
320
00:26:30,155 --> 00:26:33,420
I fanned the flies
and they would give me the wing.
321
00:26:33,525 --> 00:26:36,983
See, that was awful fine,
eatin', you know, the chicken wing.
322
00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:39,461
But that old preacher...
ol' Reverend Parks...
323
00:26:39,564 --> 00:26:45,025
Mama had the chicken cut up so it would
look like a whole lot of chicken, you know.
324
00:26:45,136 --> 00:26:50,199
And they started in on the tender parts,
you know, like the breast, you see.
325
00:26:50,308 --> 00:26:52,299
And that melted in his mouth.
326
00:26:52,410 --> 00:26:56,608
Then they got down to the drumsticks
and he just drank those, almost.
327
00:26:56,715 --> 00:26:58,580
But when he got round...
328
00:26:58,683 --> 00:27:02,016
And he just indiscriminately
he stuck his fork in...
329
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,645
whatever part of the chicken
was close to him...
330
00:27:04,756 --> 00:27:07,316
and he happened to stick the fork
in one of my wings.
331
00:27:07,425 --> 00:27:09,325
Man, I fell on the table.
332
00:27:09,427 --> 00:27:11,327
Cried, screamed like a wildcat.
333
00:27:11,429 --> 00:27:14,364
Mama had to drag me to the woodshed
and lambasted me.
334
00:27:18,803 --> 00:27:21,704
Well, look at this dude.
He done ate up all the chicken.
335
00:27:21,806 --> 00:27:23,706
He got one piece...
336
00:27:23,808 --> 00:27:26,038
and he's gon' save that
for his supper tonight.
337
00:27:26,144 --> 00:27:29,045
- How much did he start with?
- I don't know. I think he had... Look!
338
00:27:29,147 --> 00:27:32,275
There's a whole thing and it's empty.
A whole, big thing.
339
00:27:32,384 --> 00:27:36,411
He just like the old woman
that save her supper for her breakfast...
340
00:27:36,521 --> 00:27:38,421
and died before morning.
341
00:27:38,523 --> 00:27:41,424
Well, chicken ain't nothin'
but a bird, you know.
342
00:27:41,526 --> 00:27:43,721
You sure love it, don't you?
343
00:27:43,828 --> 00:27:46,490
You have a love affair
with a piece of chicken.
344
00:27:46,598 --> 00:27:48,498
Chicken ain't nothin' but a bird.
345
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,934
But there's one thing I can say
about that bird, Mr. Rachell.
346
00:27:53,038 --> 00:27:57,031
He hadn't long to live
when you get your grippers on him.
347
00:27:57,142 --> 00:28:00,543
You sink your 32-20s in him,
he won't live long.
348
00:28:00,645 --> 00:28:02,670
- Ain't no way.
- I done told the truth.
349
00:28:02,781 --> 00:28:04,339
32-20s"?
350
00:28:04,449 --> 00:28:07,350
You know, them big graveyard toothpicks
they got up there.
351
00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:12,384
He love the Colonel
'bout as well as you love McDonald's.
352
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:50,022
There were different ethnic groups
here in this part of Tennessee where I was...
353
00:28:50,128 --> 00:28:55,156
And they had, of course, Jim Crow,
the discriminatory practices and whatnot.
354
00:28:55,266 --> 00:29:00,033
We weren't supposed to cross over the line,
but bein'little ol'kids and things, we did.
355
00:29:00,138 --> 00:29:03,198
I played with the little Italians,
the little Hungarians...
356
00:29:03,308 --> 00:29:05,902
The little Polish kids, you know.
357
00:29:06,010 --> 00:29:11,710
Well, I was speakin'better Italian,
grammatically, than I was English.
358
00:29:11,816 --> 00:29:15,752
And so, when I first came
to Chicago in the '30s...
359
00:29:15,854 --> 00:29:17,754
It served me in good stead.
360
00:29:17,856 --> 00:29:23,385
Mine was the only black group that could
go among these different ethnic groups...
361
00:29:23,495 --> 00:29:26,589
Because I could make out
and speak in the language...
362
00:29:26,698 --> 00:29:30,031
And also playin'the type of music
most of'em liked.
363
00:30:03,668 --> 00:30:06,637
How you like that, Brother Rachell?
364
00:30:06,738 --> 00:30:10,970
Well, it'll do, but I have seen better.
365
00:30:11,075 --> 00:30:14,602
I've seen better"?
You act like you haven't heard anythingl
366
00:30:14,712 --> 00:30:17,203
No, I didn't. Neither heared or see'd it.
367
00:30:17,315 --> 00:30:20,307
We start pulling doors right after we got here.
368
00:30:20,418 --> 00:30:23,876
Pullin'doors was like, uh,
three or four guys just to get together.
369
00:30:23,988 --> 00:30:26,548
Didn't matter what the instrumentation was.
370
00:30:26,658 --> 00:30:28,819
And, uh, we had no
particular place to play.
371
00:30:28,927 --> 00:30:31,418
You know, didn't have any gig, that is.
372
00:30:31,529 --> 00:30:34,157
And we... I said, "Well, look, man.
373
00:30:34,265 --> 00:30:37,826
I'm gonna pull the door,
the first door. "
374
00:30:37,936 --> 00:30:41,963
You don't know whether you're gonna get
a cuspidor thrown in your face or thrown out...
375
00:30:42,073 --> 00:30:43,734
or maybe invited in.
376
00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:46,902
And we ran on a little Italian place
they call La Casita.
377
00:30:47,011 --> 00:30:50,947
And I didn't know that they were angry
becauseJoe Louis beat this big fighter...
378
00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:53,313
They call Primo Canero.
379
00:30:53,418 --> 00:30:55,477
And I walked in front with my violin...
380
00:30:55,587 --> 00:30:58,579
And the little place was hazy
with these little stogies"they'd call 'em...
381
00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:01,090
little Italian cigars, you know.
382
00:31:01,192 --> 00:31:04,127
The smoke was everywhere.
Just blue in there.
383
00:31:04,229 --> 00:31:07,130
The atmosphere was really...
really hostile.
384
00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:11,168
I tried to back out,
and I backed up on the guitar player.
385
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:13,703
He backed up
on the washboard player.
386
00:31:13,805 --> 00:31:17,536
And he backed up on
the bass fiddle player who blocked the door.
387
00:31:17,642 --> 00:31:21,703
So something told me... I don't know,
the devil might have stuck his tail in my ear...
388
00:31:21,813 --> 00:31:23,508
He said, "Talk Italian. "
389
00:31:23,615 --> 00:31:26,743
And I started rattling off
my Tennessee Italian...
390
00:31:26,851 --> 00:31:30,514
and so right away
the whole atmosphere changed.
391
00:31:30,622 --> 00:31:32,613
And I told 'em I could
play Italian music.
392
00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:36,216
And he says...
Presto!
393
00:31:36,327 --> 00:31:41,162
Play right away. And we almost tore
the lid off that old raggedy fiddle case I had...
394
00:31:41,266 --> 00:31:43,359
tryin' to get it out fast enough.
395
00:31:43,468 --> 00:31:46,494
Then after we had gotten full
on that good old dago red and whatnot...
396
00:31:46,604 --> 00:31:50,404
That they was servin'us,
the boys got a little tipsy.
397
00:31:50,508 --> 00:31:56,003
And, uh, we were playing one particular song
they call Oh, Marie"...
398
00:31:56,114 --> 00:32:01,177
And, uh, some of the guys thought
they were really singing Italian...
399
00:32:01,286 --> 00:32:04,585
and they were sayin', "Oh, my leg,"
"Oh" anything, you know.
400
00:32:04,689 --> 00:32:08,022
Italians say,
"Oh, you boys sing good Italian," you know?
401
00:32:08,126 --> 00:32:09,787
Some of the guys were singing...
402
00:32:09,894 --> 00:32:14,058
"Oh, my leg," and "Oh" whatever... anything.
Anything they could think of, they'd say.
403
00:32:14,165 --> 00:32:17,498
- Yeah.
- And that's what got us out of that little scrap.
404
00:32:17,602 --> 00:32:20,696
And every time... "Where you dudes
goin' on Monday, man?"
405
00:32:20,805 --> 00:32:23,638
"We goin' out, play for 'em in Italian. "
"Uh-uh. Not me. "
406
00:32:23,741 --> 00:32:25,936
And we played over here at that place.
407
00:32:26,044 --> 00:32:29,775
What was that pretty song that you told me?
I don't know it so well, but you said...
408
00:32:29,881 --> 00:32:32,076
- The one you...
- Oh, that... that... Oh!
409
00:32:32,183 --> 00:32:34,151
- "My Four Reasons"?
- Yeah, "My Four Reasons. "
410
00:32:34,252 --> 00:32:37,517
- Oh, yeah, I wrote that in jail, man.
- Did you write it in jail?
411
00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:39,715
- Yeah.
- What were you in jail for?
412
00:32:39,824 --> 00:32:42,292
- Well, you see, that's gettin' a little personal.
- Oh, excuse me.
413
00:32:42,393 --> 00:32:45,157
I thought it was the time
that you found a rope in the street...
414
00:32:45,263 --> 00:32:48,323
and the reason they put you in jail...
they didn't put you in jail for the rope...
415
00:32:48,433 --> 00:32:52,164
He had a pig on the other end of the rope.
416
00:32:52,270 --> 00:32:53,931
- Is that right?
- All right now.
417
00:32:54,038 --> 00:32:56,006
- Well, anyway...
- You want me to play a little...
418
00:32:56,107 --> 00:32:58,405
- so you can see what this is?
- Yeah, play a little bit for us now.
419
00:33:01,512 --> 00:33:03,412
Pick up on it, Tommy.
420
00:34:19,023 --> 00:34:20,957
Go on. I don't care.
421
00:35:37,935 --> 00:35:40,927
I'd hate to wake up anywhere and see that.
422
00:35:41,038 --> 00:35:45,566
You know, at nighttime, daytime,
summertime, winter... any other time.
423
00:35:45,676 --> 00:35:49,908
See, I'm a realist. If you're gonna be an artist,
paint something that looks like something...
424
00:35:50,014 --> 00:35:51,982
At least you can relate to.
425
00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:56,918
That, I don't know. It's just like something
that jumped out of The Twilight Zone.
426
00:35:57,021 --> 00:35:58,682
That's the way I feel about it.
427
00:35:58,789 --> 00:36:02,520
Whole lot of money, a big bunch of bullshit
went down the drain, you know what I mean?
428
00:36:02,627 --> 00:36:05,095
You could pick that up most anywhere.
429
00:36:05,196 --> 00:36:07,528
You know, it may not be
quite as big as that.
430
00:36:07,632 --> 00:36:09,896
Just put it right together
and pile it on deep.
431
00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:12,231
I don't think the people who got it...
432
00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:15,464
they know what the hell
they were doing in the first place.
433
00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:37,222
Crayola crayon... You know...
434
00:36:37,328 --> 00:36:39,296
And then I took it home
and painted it.
435
00:36:39,397 --> 00:36:41,627
How did you come to be an artist?
436
00:36:41,732 --> 00:36:45,600
Well, that's a pretty long story.
I'll tell you a little bit.
437
00:36:45,703 --> 00:36:49,434
See, I was raised down in Tennessee.
438
00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:52,475
And, um, there was a big family of us.
439
00:36:52,577 --> 00:36:56,206
My dad was a painter,
but he had to work hard, see?
440
00:36:56,314 --> 00:37:00,250
And so I used to...
I didn't even have paint to use.
441
00:37:00,351 --> 00:37:03,787
I would go out and get pokeberry ink
to make my red.
442
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:08,018
Steal my mother's blue ink
to make blue.
443
00:37:08,125 --> 00:37:11,185
And get walnut stain to make yellow,
you know what I mean?
444
00:37:11,295 --> 00:37:13,490
- And you know what else I did?
- What?
445
00:37:13,598 --> 00:37:17,466
To get my brushes,
I pulled the hairs out of a cat's tail...
446
00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:19,593
and jammed... put 'em in a quill.
447
00:37:19,704 --> 00:37:22,571
You know? Goose quill.
And made me a brush.
448
00:37:22,673 --> 00:37:25,233
There wasn't a cat
in that neighborhood liked me.
449
00:37:25,343 --> 00:37:28,005
Then the first time that I saw it rain...
450
00:37:28,112 --> 00:37:32,071
On some crepe paper,
it solved my problem.
451
00:37:32,183 --> 00:37:35,584
I saw that there dye running out
of the paper, you know what I mean?
452
00:37:35,686 --> 00:37:37,586
All colors, you know?
453
00:37:37,688 --> 00:37:41,886
And then I got me some scraps of crepe paper,
squeezed it out in a ball...
454
00:37:41,993 --> 00:37:45,087
Then I had me some nice ink
to paint with.
455
00:37:45,196 --> 00:37:49,064
And the first Christmas that I got
a set of watercolors...
456
00:37:49,166 --> 00:37:53,262
a whole, brand-new set... four colors...
I slept with them.
457
00:37:54,438 --> 00:37:58,841
Ofttimes, people would see me paint,
hear me play or something like that...
458
00:37:58,943 --> 00:38:02,606
And sometime they would say,
Oh, you're not all black.
459
00:38:02,713 --> 00:38:04,613
You must be mixed with something. "
460
00:38:04,715 --> 00:38:08,048
Aw, gee. And my wife says,
Yes. I can tell you what.
461
00:38:08,152 --> 00:38:10,950
To be exact, he's a half-breed.
462
00:38:11,055 --> 00:38:14,718
He's halfblack and half jackass. "
463
00:38:14,825 --> 00:38:17,385
And so that was awful bad on me.
I didn't like that.
464
00:38:17,495 --> 00:38:19,793
If I'd have been a wife-beatin'man...
465
00:38:19,897 --> 00:38:22,024
I would've gone right upside her head...
466
00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:27,127
Put five of clubs on her
and trumped her little act.
467
00:38:28,372 --> 00:38:32,672
They're twin brothers.
Usually one half is in jail most of the time.
468
00:38:34,545 --> 00:38:37,070
I'm a heathen. Shit.
469
00:38:37,181 --> 00:38:39,081
I can give my money to a whore...
470
00:38:39,183 --> 00:38:41,879
We can give it to a damn preacher.
What do I give a damn for?
471
00:38:41,986 --> 00:38:44,147
Preacher's a regular legalized pimp.
472
00:38:44,255 --> 00:38:48,885
Start talking about hell and damnation
lookin'right dead in a sister's drawers.
473
00:38:48,993 --> 00:38:53,930
A lot of people didn't care too much aboutJesus
'cause he was too humble and meek.
474
00:38:54,031 --> 00:38:57,057
Who in the fuck cares about somebody
who's noddin'his damn head...
475
00:38:57,168 --> 00:38:59,636
When a guy's gettin'ready to kick his ass?
476
00:39:01,772 --> 00:39:04,502
Ike, I want to show you something...
some of my artwork, you know.
477
00:39:04,608 --> 00:39:06,508
- Yeah.
- This is something.
478
00:39:06,610 --> 00:39:09,670
I'm sure you've never seen
anything like it before.
479
00:39:09,780 --> 00:39:12,112
- See? Special book, you know...
- Yeah.
480
00:39:12,216 --> 00:39:14,650
That I drew myself,
wrote and everything.
481
00:39:14,752 --> 00:39:16,686
- It's called A Whorehouse Bible.
- It is?
482
00:39:16,787 --> 00:39:19,347
- You take a look through that.
- Ooh, yeah.
483
00:39:19,457 --> 00:39:22,290
And if you see anything
that make your ears wiggle, you know.
484
00:39:22,393 --> 00:39:23,360
Yeah.
485
00:39:23,461 --> 00:39:26,624
You can open it up
and see what it's like, you see.
486
00:39:26,731 --> 00:39:28,631
All like that.
487
00:39:28,733 --> 00:39:31,429
- More truth in porn, see?
- Yeah, I see.
488
00:39:33,571 --> 00:39:38,008
Actually this is called
the ABC's of Pornography.
489
00:39:40,344 --> 00:39:45,281
Each letter tells about some particular act,
you know, what it stands for.
490
00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:47,715
It's not about intercourse all the time.
491
00:39:47,818 --> 00:39:51,151
But I think there's a little knowledge
that can be gained...
492
00:39:51,255 --> 00:39:53,155
If you read the book
all the way through.
493
00:39:53,257 --> 00:39:56,886
About different things
that we don't ordinarily hear about.
494
00:39:56,994 --> 00:40:00,452
You see, a lot of people
think that pornography...
495
00:40:00,564 --> 00:40:03,965
Is something vicious or ugly
and all like that.
496
00:40:04,068 --> 00:40:07,629
But it is a basic part of our life,
believe it or not.
497
00:40:07,738 --> 00:40:10,036
Yeah, I imagine that.
You got a lot of writing.
498
00:40:10,141 --> 00:40:11,768
- Huh?
- A lot of history and writing.
499
00:40:11,876 --> 00:40:14,276
Well, a lot of it was done sporadically,
you know.
500
00:40:14,378 --> 00:40:17,006
I took a little over a year, I think.
501
00:40:17,114 --> 00:40:22,142
I even got some things in here
about Cleopatra and the Queen of Sheba.
502
00:40:22,253 --> 00:40:24,813
Well, what is it he's cookin'?
503
00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:27,823
Sure. But you see who's coming
in the door, don't you? Jody.
504
00:40:27,925 --> 00:40:30,792
See, he got it open...
a chitlin pot, you know.
505
00:40:30,895 --> 00:40:33,557
- Well, he's been up here...
- And the woman's husband's coming in.
506
00:40:33,664 --> 00:40:36,895
- Oh, my goodness.
- Of course, you know what happened, don't you?
507
00:40:37,001 --> 00:40:40,937
- Yeah. I got an idea.
- He was a candidate for an early funeral.
508
00:40:42,706 --> 00:40:45,402
- See that woman stickin' out so far behind?
- Yeah.
509
00:40:45,509 --> 00:40:48,171
Well, anyway,
that's what we call steatopygic.
510
00:40:48,279 --> 00:40:52,613
And that means that you have a lot
of fat in your gluteus maximus.
511
00:40:52,716 --> 00:40:55,116
- You know, your buttocks, you see.
- Uh-huh.
512
00:40:55,219 --> 00:40:59,553
Many women in this country,
especially of African origin...
513
00:40:59,657 --> 00:41:01,124
Have a lot of fat behind, you know?
514
00:41:01,225 --> 00:41:03,659
Some of them stick out so damn far...
515
00:41:03,761 --> 00:41:06,730
you can put
a saddle on 'em and ride, you know.
516
00:41:06,831 --> 00:41:09,265
This guy told me...
said a certain part ofhis anatomy...
517
00:41:09,366 --> 00:41:11,732
When he looked at
one of those women stickin' out...
518
00:41:11,836 --> 00:41:14,771
got harder than
a Chinese arithmetic problem.
519
00:41:18,809 --> 00:41:20,777
Man, turn that page.
520
00:41:25,049 --> 00:41:28,951
Boy, I guess.
This is some book.
521
00:41:29,053 --> 00:41:31,578
Why, sure it's some book.
It's a special book, see?
522
00:41:31,689 --> 00:41:35,989
Make a weak-minded fool go stone crazy.
That's all there is to it, see?
523
00:41:36,093 --> 00:41:40,154
Now there's the man Death.
He's the biggest pimp of all. That's Death.
524
00:41:40,264 --> 00:41:43,461
I don't care how good you feel
or what you're feeling for.
525
00:41:43,567 --> 00:41:46,092
When he says, "checkmate,"
my man, it's all over.
526
00:41:46,203 --> 00:41:48,763
Did you use models for this?
527
00:41:48,873 --> 00:41:54,106
- Uh, yes. Mental... Mental models.
- Mental models.
528
00:41:54,211 --> 00:41:56,236
Oh, my God!
529
00:41:57,381 --> 00:42:00,908
This was in a J ET magazine
about this black woman...
530
00:42:01,018 --> 00:42:02,918
born with two vaginas, man.
531
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:05,284
- You didn't know that?
- No, I didn't catch that.
532
00:42:05,389 --> 00:42:09,189
She had five kids...
three out of one and two out of the other.
533
00:42:09,293 --> 00:42:11,727
Really. But what I can't understand...
534
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:15,663
how the heck did they keep score
on which one she had the babies out of?
535
00:42:15,766 --> 00:42:19,930
- That's... That is something. That's something.
- Now that's what got me. That's right.
536
00:42:20,037 --> 00:42:21,937
No wonder you keep
this book locked up.
537
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,531
Well, I have to keep it locked up
to keep the man from locking me up.
538
00:42:56,307 --> 00:42:59,242
Do it. Right on!
539
00:44:09,847 --> 00:44:14,875
Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.
540
00:44:14,985 --> 00:44:18,421
Thank you very much.
541
00:44:18,522 --> 00:44:21,685
- I'm an old record collector.
- Oh, yeah.
542
00:44:21,792 --> 00:44:27,458
Uh-huh. And I've got a record here... an old
78 R.P.M. You made about 40 or 50 years ago.
543
00:44:27,564 --> 00:44:28,531
- Who did?
- You did.
544
00:44:28,632 --> 00:44:30,532
That must've been my daddy
made that.
545
00:44:30,634 --> 00:44:32,192
Maybe.
546
00:44:32,302 --> 00:44:35,897
But I could've sworn it was your fiddle
I heard just a second ago.
547
00:44:36,006 --> 00:44:38,236
You have any idea how rare that is now?
548
00:44:38,342 --> 00:44:42,438
Oh, yes. I know it is because
we never did even get to see the record.
549
00:44:42,546 --> 00:44:46,676
The guy who bought us a hamburger...
man, he flew the coop. He did the Houdini.
550
00:44:46,784 --> 00:44:50,845
- You played the fiddle on this back then.
- Sure did. I played the fiddle on there.
551
00:44:50,954 --> 00:44:54,617
And I also played the mandolin too.
552
00:44:54,725 --> 00:44:58,161
- "Vine Street Rag. "
- Okay.
553
00:44:58,262 --> 00:45:00,594
- Yeah.
- What you want me to sign?
554
00:45:00,698 --> 00:45:03,758
- Didn't even put my name on it, did they?
- I know it. That's not much credit.
555
00:45:03,867 --> 00:45:06,233
- What is your name now?
- Ron Brown.
556
00:45:06,336 --> 00:45:09,203
- R- O-N B-R-O-W-N?
- That's correct.
557
00:45:09,306 --> 00:45:11,365
- I wish I could write...
- I can't believe that.
558
00:45:11,475 --> 00:45:16,071
- Ain't that something?
- You got the finest cursive I've ever seen.
559
00:45:16,180 --> 00:45:19,775
This guy's an artist, man.
You oughta see some ofhis painting.
560
00:45:19,883 --> 00:45:25,617
- Do you play any B.B. King music?
- Uh, well, I don't... Now that's... Now listen.
561
00:45:25,723 --> 00:45:28,521
I'm glad you phrased it like that.
562
00:45:28,625 --> 00:45:33,289
Ofttimes when we'll be playing in clubs
and places, some white will come up...
563
00:45:33,397 --> 00:45:37,800
"Hey, man. Can you play B.B. King?"
564
00:45:37,901 --> 00:45:41,359
I say, "Yeah, if you put some strings on him,
tune him up and give me a fiddle bow.
565
00:45:41,472 --> 00:45:44,202
I'll play the hell out of him, you know. "
566
00:45:44,308 --> 00:45:47,607
I just play my own thing,
you know what I mean.
567
00:45:47,711 --> 00:45:49,906
- Yeah.
- It's a heterogeneous thing.
568
00:45:56,453 --> 00:46:00,184
I played here when
we didn't have electric guitars and fiddles.
569
00:46:00,290 --> 00:46:04,488
We used to play on the corner, man.
We had a dude you call Washboard Sam.
570
00:46:04,595 --> 00:46:06,995
Another guy played a guitar.
I played my fiddle.
571
00:46:07,097 --> 00:46:10,396
And we'd come over here
and set up shop.
572
00:46:10,501 --> 00:46:13,664
The guys that you know along back then
like Bumble Bee Slim...
573
00:46:13,771 --> 00:46:16,535
Tampa Red, Memphis Minnie.
574
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,974
And, man, we passed a hat.
We got all kinds of chips.
575
00:46:21,078 --> 00:46:23,876
Hey, my man. Wanna check it out,
see what we got for you.
576
00:46:23,981 --> 00:46:26,449
- How you doin'? Got your sunglasses, earrings.
- Everything's cool.
577
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:29,144
- Yeah, man.
- Posters.
578
00:46:29,253 --> 00:46:31,153
Well, I wanna see what you got in here.
579
00:46:31,255 --> 00:46:35,885
Check out some of these new-wave sunglasses.
Come from that new-wave music... that punk rock.
580
00:46:35,993 --> 00:46:37,460
Toys for the mind.
581
00:46:37,561 --> 00:46:40,860
- How much are those smaller posters up there?
- Those are two dollars. The large is three.
582
00:46:40,964 --> 00:46:43,797
- You got the one with the butterfly on it?
- Think we should have it.
583
00:46:43,901 --> 00:46:46,335
- Is this the right one, Howard?
- Yeah, that's the right one, man.
584
00:46:46,436 --> 00:46:48,404
- Turn it up the other way, right?
- A dragon.
585
00:46:48,505 --> 00:46:51,030
Yeah, I'm gonna put that
right over my bed, man.
586
00:46:51,141 --> 00:46:53,405
- And I got a black light.
- Black light? Okay.
587
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:56,172
You put that on, then that child
will jump right at you, man.
588
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,544
- Right. Right. Look like it's right before you.
- Yeah.
589
00:46:58,649 --> 00:47:00,116
Oh, hell, yeah.
590
00:47:00,217 --> 00:47:02,117
Well, I wanna wish you success.
591
00:47:02,219 --> 00:47:04,813
Look, you know what old-time people
used to say?
592
00:47:04,922 --> 00:47:08,983
I'm just as proud to see you
if I'd found a strand of hair in my bread.
593
00:47:09,092 --> 00:47:11,287
- I'm really glad to meet you.
- Glad to meet you too.
594
00:47:11,395 --> 00:47:13,295
- See ya, man.
- You have a good day now.
595
00:47:13,397 --> 00:47:16,730
- Will do.
- Who's next with the paper? You next?
596
00:47:18,001 --> 00:47:20,094
What do you say, bro?
597
00:47:20,204 --> 00:47:23,298
- Who them with ya?
- I don't know. I'm just looking.
598
00:47:23,407 --> 00:47:26,968
- Do you wanna buy something?
- Well, how do I know if I don't look?
599
00:47:27,077 --> 00:47:30,012
Is there harm in looking,
or is there a price?
600
00:47:30,113 --> 00:47:32,513
Is there a price on looking?
601
00:47:32,616 --> 00:47:34,675
What's that in that brown bottle?
602
00:47:34,785 --> 00:47:38,243
Where you put it? Under your arms,
or between your toes, or where?
603
00:47:38,355 --> 00:47:43,190
When I was up in West Virginia,
Martin and I, we joined this black man.
604
00:47:43,293 --> 00:47:45,659
And I knew he was black as I was.
605
00:47:45,762 --> 00:47:47,992
But he said he was a Hindu.
606
00:47:48,098 --> 00:47:50,999
Then he call himself Leon Debondara...
607
00:47:51,101 --> 00:47:54,036
And he made snake oil, and he had...
608
00:47:54,137 --> 00:47:58,540
They call 'em trailers and campers now,
but we called them house cars back then.
609
00:47:58,642 --> 00:48:02,408
We hit the road.
There's one thing I must give the man.
610
00:48:02,512 --> 00:48:05,106
He had the gift of gab.
611
00:48:05,215 --> 00:48:08,707
He could make you see where fat meat
wasn't greasy almost.
612
00:48:08,819 --> 00:48:12,585
'Cause when he...
When he brought out his medicine and things...
613
00:48:12,689 --> 00:48:15,522
the bottle was worth more
than what was in the bottle.
614
00:48:15,626 --> 00:48:18,720
- Smells pretty good.
- Does it?
615
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:21,161
And that's a dollar, huh?
616
00:48:21,265 --> 00:48:22,755
It was really a quackery.
617
00:48:22,866 --> 00:48:27,360
He would look over the audience...
used to be mostly men in the crowd.
618
00:48:27,471 --> 00:48:29,371
"What's wrong with you?
619
00:48:29,473 --> 00:48:31,031
"It's your kidneys.
620
00:48:31,141 --> 00:48:36,010
"Poison has pervaded,
or invaded your whole system.
621
00:48:36,113 --> 00:48:38,911
"And not only...
That's just the beginning.
622
00:48:39,016 --> 00:48:40,984
"When your heart is palpitating...
623
00:48:41,084 --> 00:48:43,484
"you got bags under your eyes...
624
00:48:43,587 --> 00:48:46,147
"That's just part of what I want
to tell you about.
625
00:48:46,256 --> 00:48:47,951
"I'm not gonna point you out.
626
00:48:48,058 --> 00:48:51,926
"But some of you men out there...
you're not functioning as a man.
627
00:48:52,029 --> 00:48:53,929
"Oh, I'm not gonna call you a name.
628
00:48:54,031 --> 00:48:56,226
You know who it is that, uh...
629
00:48:56,333 --> 00:49:00,895
"When's the last time your wife
came to your bedroom?
630
00:49:01,004 --> 00:49:03,734
Don't tell me, 'cause you don't have to.
I know. "
631
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,206
He says, "But I guarantee you...
632
00:49:06,310 --> 00:49:09,404
"if you take just one bottle of this...
633
00:49:09,513 --> 00:49:12,573
"wonderful medicine for three days...
634
00:49:12,683 --> 00:49:16,278
"she'll be breaking the door... you'll have to
get a new door, that's all there is to it...
635
00:49:16,386 --> 00:49:18,752
"'cause she'll break the door down
to get into there.
636
00:49:18,855 --> 00:49:22,086
You'll be performing like you should
as a man. "
637
00:49:22,192 --> 00:49:25,389
If it was a pretty prosperous medicine show...
638
00:49:25,495 --> 00:49:27,588
They would get fellas to play music.
639
00:49:27,698 --> 00:49:31,293
That's where we came in.
I was playing a banjo-mandolin.
640
00:49:31,401 --> 00:49:35,132
And I was really plunking the thing,
and Martin was singing.
641
00:49:35,238 --> 00:49:39,698
And not only could Martin sing
and pick his guitar, he could dance too.
642
00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:43,678
And he knew how to do buck and wing. "
643
00:49:43,780 --> 00:49:47,716
Tap-dancing wasn't
as well known as it is today.
644
00:49:47,818 --> 00:49:51,185
But it wasn't nothin'but just come
from old buck dancin', you know?
645
00:50:31,695 --> 00:50:35,290
They ain't no sound like the old days,
'cause they ain't got that spirit in them.
646
00:50:35,399 --> 00:50:38,835
They ain't got that kind of stuff in 'em
to play that sound.
647
00:50:38,935 --> 00:50:41,096
This man... This man here...
648
00:50:41,204 --> 00:50:45,573
This man is doing something that when
he plays and sings the blues with that mandolin...
649
00:50:45,675 --> 00:50:48,610
If you've been down
in my part of the country...
650
00:50:48,712 --> 00:50:53,775
And sleep of mornings
and hear a guy going to work...
651
00:50:53,884 --> 00:50:57,320
in a deck of overalls and a overall jacket...
652
00:50:57,421 --> 00:50:59,787
with creases in the pants...
653
00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:04,327
And he's on his way to work and hear him
strumming on a mandolin and singing the blues...
654
00:51:04,428 --> 00:51:07,761
or a guitar and singing the blues,
then you've had it.
655
00:51:07,864 --> 00:51:09,798
You don't hear that now.
656
00:51:12,469 --> 00:51:15,802
Chicago's Westend Nightclub...
657
00:51:15,906 --> 00:51:21,640
Welcomes back Howard Armstrong,
Banjo"Ikey Robinson...
658
00:51:21,745 --> 00:51:26,011
Tom Armstrong, Yank Rachell...
659
00:51:26,116 --> 00:51:28,175
And Mr. Ted Bogan.
660
00:51:33,523 --> 00:51:35,423
This is the last tune, ladies and gentlemen.
661
00:51:35,525 --> 00:51:38,756
Mr. Bogan won't mean for you
to drag your feet or drag your hand.
662
00:51:38,862 --> 00:51:41,490
Get it, take it and get.
Get with it.
663
00:51:42,866 --> 00:51:44,458
"Divin' Duck Blues. "
664
00:51:44,568 --> 00:51:47,002
It's a song I made in 1929.
665
00:51:47,104 --> 00:51:50,039
You mean, uh, A.D. Or B.C.? Which?
666
00:51:50,140 --> 00:51:54,076
In 1929, I'm 30 years old... 35 however.
667
00:51:54,177 --> 00:51:56,668
- Soon you'll be old as Jack Benny, won't you?
- I'm trying to tell you.
668
00:53:34,444 --> 00:53:37,174
Blues is more than that.
669
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:42,741
- Blues has been a way of life...
- From way back in the fields of the cotton.
670
00:53:42,852 --> 00:53:47,380
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Because I remember back in Tennessee...
671
00:53:47,490 --> 00:53:50,982
I would go to one of these old
Saturday night catfish fries, you know?
672
00:53:51,094 --> 00:53:53,995
And we'd be just whamming away.
We'd be laying it down, man.
673
00:53:54,097 --> 00:53:55,997
The atmosphere was really getting ripe.
674
00:53:56,099 --> 00:53:57,657
- You know what I mean?
- Yeah.
675
00:53:57,767 --> 00:54:00,759
Whole lot of cats... they didn't know
what soap and water was nohow, man.
676
00:54:00,870 --> 00:54:02,838
- And the place was catfish...
- We didn't care what it was.
677
00:54:02,939 --> 00:54:05,806
Well, you know all them chitlins
and catfish goin' on, man.
678
00:54:05,909 --> 00:54:07,934
It was hell in there,
you know what I mean?
679
00:54:08,044 --> 00:54:12,777
And I start some more old-down
funky blues on the upbeat, you know.
680
00:54:12,882 --> 00:54:16,045
And them chicks got to wiggling
their bellies and their rear end.
681
00:54:16,152 --> 00:54:19,610
'Aw, do it, baby.
Throw it in Tug River, man"... that's all.
682
00:54:19,723 --> 00:54:24,160
I got down on my knees and start crawling
cross the floor, playin'my fiddle.
683
00:54:24,261 --> 00:54:27,992
And then got so smart, I put it behind
my head and started playing my thing.
684
00:54:28,098 --> 00:54:30,589
I'm tellin' you, man.
That's real blues.
685
00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:33,328
Uh-huh. That's real... That's real...
That's history, man.
686
00:54:33,436 --> 00:54:35,336
Well, that's our history anyway.
687
00:54:37,774 --> 00:54:40,402
You always were a grouch.
688
00:54:40,510 --> 00:54:43,775
He put that nickel in.
That mean Armstrong put up first.
689
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,442
Hey. Shit. But my dollar...
690
00:54:48,551 --> 00:54:51,349
Put something else up there...
691
00:54:51,454 --> 00:54:55,288
- I'll wait him out.
- He puttin' in. That's a friend.
692
00:54:55,392 --> 00:55:00,056
- He's a friend. He's a friend.
- Don't fall out, y'all. Kill a man over a nickel.
693
00:55:00,163 --> 00:55:04,463
- I know people got killed over two cents.
- I know of a man got killed over a nickel.
694
00:55:04,567 --> 00:55:06,467
But he was reachin' in the pot
takin' money.
695
00:55:06,569 --> 00:55:09,766
I know a man got killed the other day
over nothin'at his own place.
696
00:55:09,873 --> 00:55:13,639
- A man come in there and shot him.
- Mm-hmm.
697
00:55:13,743 --> 00:55:17,338
- Shot him?
- Somebody got killed up in there near me.
698
00:55:17,447 --> 00:55:20,473
Up there on 71 st and something.
699
00:55:20,583 --> 00:55:24,713
Man and woman... somebody
come in there and kill the both of'em.
700
00:55:24,821 --> 00:55:26,914
- Oh, no, you don't.
- Top card. Top card.
701
00:55:27,023 --> 00:55:29,753
Well, put it over here.
What you takin' it back for?
702
00:55:29,859 --> 00:55:33,955
- Gimme that money. Shit.
- You got two pair.
703
00:55:34,064 --> 00:55:35,725
Sure I have. Then fold.
Give me a dime.
704
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,803
- Now you put all this back now.
- Yeah, and some more.
705
00:55:41,905 --> 00:55:45,170
- Man, you're already in there.
- I'm already up.
706
00:55:45,275 --> 00:55:48,904
Now, let me know when you're through
scramblin' over the money.
707
00:55:49,012 --> 00:55:53,472
See, this is an old-time,
slave-time tale, you understand, all right...
708
00:55:53,583 --> 00:55:55,881
Told in poetical form, see.
709
00:55:55,985 --> 00:55:59,182
Now, Jack met the devil
with a pot on his back...
710
00:55:59,289 --> 00:56:01,849
"A-tippin' through the morning dew.
711
00:56:01,958 --> 00:56:06,156
"He say, 'I'm lookin' for a nigger
that's long and black...
712
00:56:06,262 --> 00:56:08,730
"'case I craves a nigger stew.
713
00:56:08,832 --> 00:56:12,495
I love lean meat. Don't like 'em fat.
714
00:56:12,602 --> 00:56:15,162
Lean meat's tasty and sweet.
715
00:56:15,271 --> 00:56:17,831
You see, I go for a heap of that.
716
00:56:17,941 --> 00:56:21,604
When I find this nigger, jack,
I'll have a feast.
717
00:56:21,711 --> 00:56:26,045
The white folks say he's a lazy coon
who likes to kick up his heel.
718
00:56:26,149 --> 00:56:30,017
He possum hunts by the light of the moon...
719
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,647
And fucks the wenches
when the men's in the field. '
720
00:56:33,757 --> 00:56:36,988
"Jack knowed the devil
couldn't see too well...
721
00:56:37,093 --> 00:56:40,859
But his nose got a great big whiff..
722
00:56:40,964 --> 00:56:43,899
"Of that great big funky pussy smell.
723
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,334
"So the devil say,
'Boy, you smell just right'...
724
00:56:48,438 --> 00:56:50,463
"and he begin to grin.
725
00:56:50,573 --> 00:56:55,340
But in a second, Jack was out of sight,
running just like the wind. "
726
00:56:59,649 --> 00:57:01,116
- Who made what?
- That pussy.
727
00:57:01,217 --> 00:57:03,515
No, the book. Who made the book?
728
00:57:03,620 --> 00:57:07,488
I ain't talkin' about the book. I'm talkin' about
the pussy. That's what I'm interested in.
729
00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:09,490
I ain't interested in no book.
730
00:57:09,592 --> 00:57:13,323
- What kind of answer do you want for that?
- Well, I can't do nothin' with a book.
731
00:57:15,098 --> 00:57:18,295
I tell ya, I belong to the church now
and everything.
732
00:57:18,401 --> 00:57:19,834
I belong to a church too.
733
00:57:19,936 --> 00:57:22,837
Well, if you belong to church,
you oughta know a lot about it.
734
00:57:22,939 --> 00:57:26,898
- The preacher's usually the biggest...
- I know the man who in the church preachin'.
735
00:57:27,010 --> 00:57:30,343
Woman shed all her clothes
and the preacher said, Don't peek. "
736
00:57:30,447 --> 00:57:32,347
Said, "Do, you'll go blind. "
737
00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:36,317
I said, "Well, I ain't gonna peek, Reverend,
but damned if ain't gonna risk one eye. "
738
00:57:36,419 --> 00:57:38,478
He looked like hell.
739
00:59:32,235 --> 00:59:34,635
I'm not ashamed
to tell anybody my age.
740
00:59:34,737 --> 00:59:39,674
I'm 75 years...
not old, but 75 years young.
741
00:59:39,776 --> 00:59:44,679
Because I have most of the attributes
that young men should have.
742
00:59:44,781 --> 00:59:48,717
I have interest in life.
And full of energy, full of pep.
743
00:59:48,818 --> 00:59:51,981
Most of all, I'm full of curiosity...
744
00:59:52,088 --> 00:59:54,955
Because that is one thing
that keeps you young.
745
00:59:56,225 --> 00:59:59,023
I'm doing with my life
every morning that I get up.
746
00:59:59,128 --> 01:00:01,028
That is my life.
747
01:00:01,130 --> 01:00:04,293
And whatever activity for the day
I want to get in...
748
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,062
That's what I get into.
749
01:00:07,170 --> 01:00:09,730
I don't know what the heck is coming.
750
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:13,673
I guess I must be
gonna wind up in The Twilight Zone.
69763
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