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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:39,739 --> 00:00:44,540 I don't know whether it's a liability or an asset. 2 00:00:44,644 --> 00:00:49,206 Because sometimes I feel like I'm three or four different people. 3 00:00:49,315 --> 00:00:53,581 I want to paint a while, and it just burn within me just to paint, paint, paint, paint. 4 00:00:53,686 --> 00:00:58,089 Then that cools off and then I wanna play my music, you know. 5 00:00:58,191 --> 00:01:02,719 That cool off,I wanna write poetry. I wanna do this, I wanna do something else. 6 00:01:02,829 --> 00:01:06,765 Actually, I feel sometimes like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. 7 00:01:15,675 --> 00:01:18,735 I met this young lady in 1932... 8 00:01:18,845 --> 00:01:20,813 who was an undertaker's daughter. 9 00:01:20,914 --> 00:01:25,283 So she invite me to see her father's undertaker shop. 10 00:01:25,385 --> 00:01:30,015 Then she began to explain to me about all the different coffins... 11 00:01:30,123 --> 00:01:33,388 uh, half couch or full couch. 12 00:01:33,493 --> 00:01:35,393 All that I didn't like anyway... 13 00:01:35,495 --> 00:01:38,726 because I wasn't interested in death nor dying. 14 00:01:38,832 --> 00:01:42,233 So one night she came to a party where we were playing. 15 00:01:42,335 --> 00:01:45,862 At that time my group was called the Four Keys. 16 00:01:45,972 --> 00:01:50,136 And so she was a little tipsy, so she walked over to each member... 17 00:01:50,243 --> 00:01:53,007 and she walked over to Mr. Martin and she says... 18 00:01:53,113 --> 00:01:57,243 "I know who you are. You are Duke Ellington. " 19 00:01:57,350 --> 00:02:00,945 And so she came to Bogan, the guitar player, says, uh... 20 00:02:01,054 --> 00:02:02,919 "You are Ted Lewis. " 21 00:02:03,022 --> 00:02:06,048 Then she sauntered over to me and she says... 22 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:08,286 "You're Armstrong. I know you're Armstrong. 23 00:02:08,394 --> 00:02:11,659 "But you're not Louie Armstrong, that Louie. 24 00:02:11,764 --> 00:02:14,392 You're just plain ol' Louie Bluie, that's what you are. " 25 00:02:14,501 --> 00:02:18,028 And so I used the name to record under later. 26 00:03:54,267 --> 00:03:56,895 That'll get that rheumatism out of your old bones. 27 00:03:57,003 --> 00:03:59,130 - My fingers. - It's not your fingers, it's your mind. 28 00:03:59,239 --> 00:04:02,140 You didn't miss anything on the table this morning with your fingers. 29 00:04:02,242 --> 00:04:05,143 I know I didn't miss nothin', 'cause I didn't have nothin'after you got through with itl 30 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:08,339 Hey, uh, Mr. Yank Rachell, how you like those goodies? 31 00:04:08,448 --> 00:04:10,473 I wouldn't let you play in my backyard. 32 00:04:10,583 --> 00:04:13,677 Why you won't let me play in your backyard? 33 00:04:13,786 --> 00:04:16,186 'Cause I ain't gon' let you in my backyard. 34 00:04:16,289 --> 00:04:18,416 What about Bogan here? 35 00:04:18,524 --> 00:04:21,220 - Bogan can come in there. - He can come in? 36 00:04:21,327 --> 00:04:23,261 Yeah. But you can't. 37 00:04:23,363 --> 00:04:25,888 Oh, you don't think so much of me. 38 00:04:25,999 --> 00:04:27,899 No. 39 00:04:28,001 --> 00:04:32,233 Hey, Ted, when did you make this tune? You forgotten when you recorded this thing? 40 00:04:32,338 --> 00:04:33,896 - No. - Well, what year? 41 00:04:34,007 --> 00:04:37,670 - When did we record this old tune? - It was right here in Chicago. 42 00:04:37,777 --> 00:04:40,143 - What year? - 1934. 43 00:04:40,246 --> 00:04:42,271 That was down at Merchandise Mart, wasn't it? 44 00:04:42,382 --> 00:04:45,943 The guy told us if we played any faster the thing would catch on fire. 45 00:04:46,052 --> 00:04:48,213 - You remember that? - Yeah. 46 00:04:48,521 --> 00:04:51,422 It's my greatest hope and fondest joy. 47 00:04:51,524 --> 00:04:53,924 To talk about Mr. Bogan here... 48 00:04:54,027 --> 00:04:58,760 And how I brought him out of the land of the valley of the shadow. 49 00:04:58,865 --> 00:05:03,825 But he's never been anything but a Casanova all ofhis life. 50 00:05:03,936 --> 00:05:09,169 If I'm lyin', I hope somethin'big comes out of the woods and grabs me. 51 00:05:09,275 --> 00:05:11,709 The dude... There wasn't a thing wrong with his look. 52 00:05:11,811 --> 00:05:14,712 Women fell for the dude head over heels. 53 00:05:14,814 --> 00:05:17,783 We used to call him Mr. Black Gable. 54 00:05:17,884 --> 00:05:22,378 He had that smile, you know, and some chick bought him a gold crown. 55 00:05:22,488 --> 00:05:27,391 And every opportunity he was showin' that piece of gold, you know. 56 00:05:27,493 --> 00:05:30,724 Women fell over all kinds of ways about this dude. 57 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:32,957 He was so greedy after women... 58 00:05:33,066 --> 00:05:36,331 Just like a one-eyed cat watchin'two rat holes. 59 00:05:36,436 --> 00:05:39,269 Wasn't that right, Bogan? 60 00:05:39,372 --> 00:05:41,602 Tell me when you hear nothing, say nothing. 61 00:05:41,708 --> 00:05:45,200 But really, this dude had a way with women. 62 00:05:45,311 --> 00:05:49,213 That's why right today he's no good... 63 00:05:49,315 --> 00:05:51,340 as, uh, marriage material. 64 00:05:51,451 --> 00:05:55,353 See what I mean? Women would just see him and wanna take him down... 65 00:05:55,455 --> 00:05:57,855 You married two, and they both divorced you. 66 00:05:57,957 --> 00:06:00,482 Anyway, I had pretty nice handwritin'. 67 00:06:00,593 --> 00:06:03,084 And when I met Ted, Ted saw... 68 00:06:03,196 --> 00:06:07,724 He couldn't believe all the curlicues and all the stuff I used to make. 69 00:06:07,834 --> 00:06:10,735 He said, "Hey, man. " I said, "What is it, dude?" 70 00:06:10,837 --> 00:06:15,399 He says, "I want you to drop a few little scrawls to my women. " 71 00:06:15,508 --> 00:06:18,170 "Your women? What women? How many you got?" 72 00:06:18,277 --> 00:06:21,007 "Well, I just got two we gonna write to today. " 73 00:06:21,114 --> 00:06:24,481 I said, "Okay, uh, I'll write it. " 74 00:06:24,584 --> 00:06:28,645 And I put all... You shoulda seen what I wrote to this gal. 75 00:06:28,755 --> 00:06:30,450 - Shouldn't he, Ted? - Yeah. 76 00:06:30,556 --> 00:06:32,751 I wrote some beautiful letters. 77 00:06:32,859 --> 00:06:38,195 And so I said, "Well... " I was getting ready to put 'em in an envelope. 78 00:06:38,297 --> 00:06:41,960 I said, "Dude, I might as well"... I backed the envelope. Sure did. 79 00:06:42,068 --> 00:06:44,366 Put the right name on the envelope, didn't I? 80 00:06:44,470 --> 00:06:47,371 Only one catch... I put the wrong letter in the envelope. 81 00:06:47,473 --> 00:06:51,569 I put one in one wrong and one in the other one wrong. 82 00:06:51,677 --> 00:06:54,009 But to me that was a righteous deed. 83 00:06:54,113 --> 00:06:56,513 What did the women say that got the letters, Ted? 84 00:06:57,717 --> 00:06:59,617 I haven't heard from 'em since. 85 00:06:59,719 --> 00:07:02,313 They gave him the silent treatment! What you think they said? 86 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:06,085 - You enjoyed that, didn't you? - Oh, that was the sweetest day of my life. 87 00:08:44,757 --> 00:08:47,157 I'm enjoyin' what they call the golden years... 88 00:08:47,260 --> 00:08:49,421 'Cause I can function yet like a man. 89 00:08:49,529 --> 00:08:52,430 I don't get in bed and go do some pretense. 90 00:08:52,532 --> 00:08:55,763 I don't care if the woman is young, middle-aged or old. 91 00:08:55,868 --> 00:09:00,931 Just like one time my girl she says, I forgot to ask you how old you are. " 92 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,773 I said, How old I am?" I said, Hell, I didn't know you wanted agel 93 00:09:05,878 --> 00:09:09,473 But if you wanna know how old I am, by God, here's my birth certificate... 94 00:09:09,582 --> 00:09:11,914 Stickin'straight up where you can see itl" 95 00:09:15,955 --> 00:09:19,857 Nothin' wrong with your jaw bone nor the muscles of your mouth... 96 00:09:19,959 --> 00:09:23,417 'cause you got a mouth like the Mammoth Caverns. Thank you very much. 97 00:09:23,529 --> 00:09:25,997 - You know, the only thing wrong with you... - What's that? 98 00:09:26,098 --> 00:09:27,793 - You got too much mouth. - Thank you, sir. 99 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:31,529 Did you hear what he said? You couldn't hear 'cause you're chewin'too loud. 100 00:09:31,637 --> 00:09:34,197 I'll tell you somethin' if you wanna hear somethin'. 101 00:09:34,307 --> 00:09:35,535 Huh? What's that? 102 00:09:35,641 --> 00:09:38,041 If I had one biscuit and you hadn't eaten nothin' in a month... 103 00:09:38,144 --> 00:09:41,045 I'd break it in two and eat both pieces. 104 00:09:41,147 --> 00:09:42,546 I believe ya. 105 00:09:42,648 --> 00:09:45,048 And he tell the truth about that, isn't he, Ted? 106 00:09:45,151 --> 00:09:47,210 - Yeah, I reckon so. - Good as I been to him. 107 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:52,019 I brought him up here and introduced him to the best woman you ever saw. 108 00:09:52,124 --> 00:09:55,025 The best gal... You know who she was. 109 00:09:55,127 --> 00:09:58,790 He married her, and then he regretted it. 110 00:09:58,898 --> 00:10:01,025 How many kids did y'all have, Yank? 111 00:10:01,133 --> 00:10:03,624 Never had one. Never could have one, no. 112 00:10:03,736 --> 00:10:07,194 - Well, your wife had a bunch of'em. - Well, that was her. You'll have to ask her. 113 00:10:07,306 --> 00:10:09,968 You're taking care of somebody else's then. 114 00:10:10,076 --> 00:10:13,068 - We all do thatl - You, maybe. 115 00:10:15,181 --> 00:10:18,480 Now, wait a minute. What is that? Pants? 116 00:10:18,584 --> 00:10:20,176 That's what they are. 117 00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:23,687 You always did like a lot of color. 118 00:10:23,789 --> 00:10:27,782 I've seen clowns in circuses wouldn't wear that crap you got. 119 00:10:27,893 --> 00:10:31,260 You could play checkers on that damn suit you got there. 120 00:10:31,364 --> 00:10:34,800 You know, when I knew you you wore kind of conservative clothes. 121 00:10:34,900 --> 00:10:37,698 Now you just wear anything you can get, don't you? 122 00:10:37,803 --> 00:10:42,103 That's the shirt I want... that orange one with the green stripe in it. 123 00:10:42,208 --> 00:10:44,108 See, you oughta give me that one... 124 00:10:44,210 --> 00:10:48,670 On account of I let you have your first pair of store-bought shoes that you ever wore. 125 00:10:48,781 --> 00:10:51,011 What? You give it to me? 126 00:10:51,117 --> 00:10:54,780 If you can give me $5.00 for that. 127 00:10:54,887 --> 00:10:57,856 Okay. Put that on account, on account of that I haveth no money. 128 00:10:59,892 --> 00:11:02,326 You done quit drinkin'now, haven't ya? 129 00:11:02,428 --> 00:11:05,920 You used to drink sweat off a grape. Anything, you know. 130 00:11:06,032 --> 00:11:08,227 But that's... that's "used to. " 131 00:11:08,334 --> 00:11:11,599 No, I liked you a whole lot better when... 132 00:11:11,704 --> 00:11:15,140 You know... You see, I liked you when you were a drunkard... 133 00:11:15,241 --> 00:11:17,300 because you were an honest drunkard. 134 00:11:17,410 --> 00:11:21,005 But now you are a hypocrite and a big liar. 135 00:11:21,113 --> 00:11:24,173 You stopped drinkin'. You were honest when you were drinkin'. 136 00:11:24,283 --> 00:11:26,843 I cannot relate to you the way you are, man. 137 00:11:26,952 --> 00:11:32,447 Can't even play my good, old-time, low-down, funky blues anymore. 138 00:11:32,558 --> 00:11:35,550 I seen the time if I asked you for this ol'jive shirt... 139 00:11:35,661 --> 00:11:38,892 You'd say, Here, take it, Louie Bluie. Take it and go. " 140 00:11:38,998 --> 00:11:41,466 - I told you to take it and go. - Oh, you did? 141 00:11:41,567 --> 00:11:43,467 - Yeah. - You know, I'm gon'tell you somethin'. 142 00:11:43,569 --> 00:11:46,367 - You the best fella ever I saw in the world. - You see that? 143 00:11:46,472 --> 00:11:49,373 I'll tell you some more good ones... 144 00:11:49,508 --> 00:11:52,500 Hey, look. You see this picture here? 145 00:11:52,611 --> 00:11:54,010 Yeah. 146 00:11:54,113 --> 00:11:57,378 That's the old blast furnace. All this I drew from memory. 147 00:11:57,483 --> 00:11:59,849 - Didn't have photographs and things. - Yeah. 148 00:11:59,952 --> 00:12:02,352 - That's what we used to do on our... - Who are they? 149 00:12:02,455 --> 00:12:05,356 They were wash women. You just go out to a tree and wash. 150 00:12:05,458 --> 00:12:09,724 And this is me when I used to lead a blind man around and pick up nickels and dimes... 151 00:12:09,829 --> 00:12:11,729 and pennies for him. 152 00:12:14,333 --> 00:12:17,996 And this is the guy they called Cheese. Used to play piano. 153 00:12:18,104 --> 00:12:20,470 From Birmingham, Alabama. 154 00:12:20,573 --> 00:12:23,736 This was Old Lady Satterfield, the village mother, you know. 155 00:12:23,843 --> 00:12:26,744 She was over 100 years old. That's the old hearse. 156 00:12:26,846 --> 00:12:30,247 And this is the house where I used to live. 157 00:12:32,351 --> 00:12:35,843 I been exposed to music all my life. 158 00:12:35,955 --> 00:12:39,254 The town that I grew up in is called LaFollette, Tennessee. 159 00:12:39,358 --> 00:12:42,327 There were 11 of us in the family. 160 00:12:42,428 --> 00:12:46,091 All those older than me could play some instrument. 161 00:12:46,198 --> 00:12:50,157 So I started off playing music by listening to my dad. 162 00:12:50,269 --> 00:12:53,602 He gave me some instructions on the mandolin and whatnot... 163 00:12:53,706 --> 00:12:56,334 Because after he got into the preaching business... 164 00:12:56,442 --> 00:12:59,741 They decided... he and his church members... that that was the devil's instrument... 165 00:12:59,845 --> 00:13:03,372 And it wasn't becoming for a minister to play string music. 166 00:13:03,482 --> 00:13:06,940 So he threw his old mandolin in my lap. 167 00:13:07,052 --> 00:13:10,249 See, this is a picture I know you'll recognize... old photograph. 168 00:13:10,356 --> 00:13:13,883 - Sure. - We used to play in all 'em hedges and highways. 169 00:13:13,993 --> 00:13:16,086 Street corners and everywhere. 170 00:13:16,195 --> 00:13:17,822 Country fairs. 171 00:13:17,930 --> 00:13:21,229 And, you know, during that time there was a whole lot of black fiddlers... 172 00:13:21,333 --> 00:13:23,062 who could really play. 173 00:13:23,169 --> 00:13:27,629 But they couldn't get in to compete with the white fiddle players. 174 00:13:27,740 --> 00:13:31,176 Never could. They never let me get in on a fiddler's contest. 175 00:13:31,277 --> 00:13:34,041 There were guys in there fiddlin' and scrapin'. 176 00:13:34,146 --> 00:13:38,105 Couldn't play a damn 'nough music to keep the flies off a dog's dick. 177 00:13:47,393 --> 00:13:50,123 Many people didn't know, especially those in the cities... 178 00:13:50,229 --> 00:13:55,098 That black people, you know, black musicians, string bands, whatnot... 179 00:13:55,201 --> 00:13:56,828 played country music too. 180 00:13:56,936 --> 00:14:00,201 We used to play hoedowns and all that sort of music... 181 00:14:00,306 --> 00:14:03,833 Like Ida Red, " "John Henry" and Cacklin'Hen. " 182 00:14:03,943 --> 00:14:06,912 But that's really a hard number to do. 183 00:14:46,452 --> 00:14:47,919 Chorus! 184 00:15:36,635 --> 00:15:38,535 I ain't seen you in ages. 185 00:15:38,637 --> 00:15:43,074 Well, it's good to be back, but anyway it's kinda like walking in a dream. 186 00:15:48,414 --> 00:15:50,644 My brother Roland was playing... 187 00:15:50,749 --> 00:15:52,876 In a band I was playing in in Knoxville... 188 00:15:52,985 --> 00:15:57,183 so we had a little engagement at that radio station, WROL. 189 00:15:57,289 --> 00:16:02,454 Everybody all up and down the strip had their little sets turned on... 190 00:16:02,561 --> 00:16:05,758 'Cause they know we were gonna come over big, you know. 191 00:16:05,864 --> 00:16:10,062 And all I used to do, Ed, just take a piece of music and run it down... 192 00:16:10,169 --> 00:16:12,569 and then I had it, you know, and I had that. 193 00:16:12,671 --> 00:16:15,572 - Yeah, you could play any kind of mu... Anything. - Yeah. 194 00:16:15,674 --> 00:16:19,007 And I had it on until the man announced the band. 195 00:16:19,111 --> 00:16:23,275 He says, "Now, ladies and gentlemen, our feature for the evening... 196 00:16:23,382 --> 00:16:26,351 "is, uh, Tennessee Chocolate Drops. 197 00:16:26,452 --> 00:16:29,319 "And they're gonna play as their first selection... 198 00:16:29,421 --> 00:16:33,983 'I Miss a Little Miss Who Misses Me in Sunny Tennessee. "' 199 00:16:34,093 --> 00:16:37,221 My mind went just as blank as the Red Sea. 200 00:16:37,329 --> 00:16:40,093 So, I didn't know how to start it. 201 00:16:40,199 --> 00:16:43,032 Sometimes you played intro back then, you know. 202 00:16:43,135 --> 00:16:47,834 And I "fiddle-dee-deed. " I fiddled all the way from "C" to E-flat. 203 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:52,206 My brother Roland chewed tobacco... he played the bass... 204 00:16:52,311 --> 00:16:57,510 and he leaned over and tried to whistle the song so I would get the start... 205 00:16:57,616 --> 00:17:00,517 and got strangled on his tobacco and started coughing. 206 00:17:00,619 --> 00:17:03,816 It tickled me. And it came to me. 207 00:17:03,922 --> 00:17:06,152 And then we picked up the song. 208 00:17:06,258 --> 00:17:12,026 So the next day all the cats on the street said, "Man, you guys really were cooking last night. 209 00:17:12,131 --> 00:17:16,500 But lookee here, that was the craziest intro ever I heard. " 210 00:17:16,602 --> 00:17:20,003 I said, "You don't know how near you came to not even gettin' a song. " 211 00:17:22,441 --> 00:17:26,104 That's when we used to play up on Vine Street. 212 00:17:26,211 --> 00:17:30,511 Used to be another blind guy played over there at the boarding house. 213 00:17:30,616 --> 00:17:32,709 That was a guy I left here with. 214 00:17:32,818 --> 00:17:35,309 Mm-hmm. He had a great big bass violin. 215 00:17:35,421 --> 00:17:38,481 - His brother Carl played the bass fiddle. - Boy, they made good... 216 00:17:38,590 --> 00:17:41,753 I didn't know you knew that old boarding house was over there. 217 00:17:41,860 --> 00:17:44,761 Well, I been here 66 years! What you talkin' about? 218 00:17:44,863 --> 00:17:47,559 - Watch yourself now. It's all right. - I'm proud of it! 219 00:17:59,344 --> 00:18:03,508 Well, the first string bands that I, uh, came in contact with... 220 00:18:03,615 --> 00:18:07,881 Were just local bands in the hills around LaFollette. 221 00:18:07,986 --> 00:18:12,980 They were made up of fellas who even worked in the mine, dug coal, worked at the blast furnace. 222 00:18:13,092 --> 00:18:16,823 Most of the string bands composed of just whatever came to hand. 223 00:18:16,929 --> 00:18:20,524 They had mandolin, fiddles, guitar. 224 00:18:20,632 --> 00:18:22,657 Once in a while you would see a sax... 225 00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:26,568 But they didn't figure that they belonged in a string band. 226 00:18:28,107 --> 00:18:30,974 Black musicians played so many things... 227 00:18:31,076 --> 00:18:35,069 stovepipe, cue sticks, broom handles, jugs... 228 00:18:35,180 --> 00:18:38,877 I mean, could really blow at y'all. 229 00:19:26,932 --> 00:19:29,230 I organized a little string band. 230 00:19:29,334 --> 00:19:30,892 I played the fiddle... 231 00:19:31,003 --> 00:19:36,236 And my brother Roland played a homemade bass my dad made out of a goods box. 232 00:19:36,341 --> 00:19:38,935 My brother L. C. Played the guitar... 233 00:19:39,044 --> 00:19:43,174 And F. L., the baby boy, six years old... 234 00:19:43,282 --> 00:19:46,149 He played the banjolele or ukulele. 235 00:19:47,486 --> 00:19:53,425 My band played all the same kinds of jobs as other black string bands did in those days. 236 00:19:54,860 --> 00:19:59,490 We would play for outings, picnics, fish fries. 237 00:19:59,598 --> 00:20:04,831 Our biggest plays were done for the elite of... White people, you know. 238 00:20:04,937 --> 00:20:08,532 The upper crust, as we used to say. The elite white people. 239 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,201 We would play for those banquets and all those different things. 240 00:20:13,512 --> 00:20:16,140 Maybe they would have a political campaign. 241 00:20:16,248 --> 00:20:20,981 They would hire us to go out, play on excursions and things like that. 242 00:20:24,623 --> 00:20:28,320 We couldn't play the blues, you know, for the white people. 243 00:20:28,427 --> 00:20:31,328 We learned how to play the pop songs, you know... 244 00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:33,990 Like, um, Brown Eyes, Why You Blue?" 245 00:20:34,099 --> 00:20:36,499 If you came out there playing some low-down blues... 246 00:20:36,602 --> 00:20:39,571 They'd pack up and leave, or either you'd have to pack up and run... 247 00:20:39,671 --> 00:20:42,697 because they'd put some heat on you that you couldn't stand. 248 00:20:44,843 --> 00:20:46,868 This is my sister-in-law. 249 00:20:46,979 --> 00:20:51,382 I don't care how many times she been married. She's still my sister-in-law. 250 00:20:51,483 --> 00:20:53,383 The feeling hasn't changed. 251 00:20:53,485 --> 00:20:58,479 She was married to my brother, Reverend Roland Armstrong. 252 00:20:58,590 --> 00:21:01,491 You know, your brother was a good musician, Willie Osmond. 253 00:21:01,593 --> 00:21:04,289 - Yes, he was. - Arthur was a good musician. 254 00:21:04,396 --> 00:21:07,923 And your dad, you know, he played everything, nearly, Mr. Osmond. 255 00:21:08,033 --> 00:21:09,432 Yes, he did. 256 00:21:09,534 --> 00:21:12,935 And my dad... You know, Rev. Armstrong, he used to play... 257 00:21:13,038 --> 00:21:17,338 As a matter of fact, he taught me how to play on an old tater-bug mandolin. 258 00:21:17,442 --> 00:21:19,842 He also taught me the ukulele. 259 00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:24,848 But I didn't know that your sister Mary could play all that much music. 260 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:27,111 Yesterday, when we came by... 261 00:21:27,219 --> 00:21:29,551 She seemed to be very, very shy. 262 00:21:29,655 --> 00:21:34,115 - But she really can set that thing on fire. - She sure can. 263 00:23:30,842 --> 00:23:33,743 So they said we'll have a recitation... 264 00:23:33,845 --> 00:23:35,506 by Marvin McDowell. 265 00:23:35,614 --> 00:23:38,310 "Grosner beats the little sandpiper"... 266 00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:40,317 That's enough of that, you know. 267 00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:43,320 So the teacher, after about three, got up there and said... 268 00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:48,519 "The next one says anything about that doggoned sandpiper... 269 00:23:48,627 --> 00:23:51,187 I'm gonna take him to the cloak room. " 270 00:23:51,296 --> 00:23:54,129 But the sad part, you see, my poor ol' mother was sittin' back there... 271 00:23:54,232 --> 00:23:55,824 and some other parents... 272 00:23:55,934 --> 00:24:00,997 and that old chicken-eating preacher they called Rev. Parks, I didn't like him very well. 273 00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:04,439 So after they'd recited the thing about three times... 274 00:24:04,543 --> 00:24:06,443 well, they called on me. 275 00:24:06,545 --> 00:24:10,743 "We gonna have a recitation by Master William Howard Armstrong. " 276 00:24:10,849 --> 00:24:12,749 - You know what I mean? - Yes. Uh-huh. 277 00:24:12,851 --> 00:24:16,287 That was me! Mama just looked back and smiled so pretty, you know. 278 00:24:16,388 --> 00:24:18,015 Say, "You tell 'em, tiger!" 279 00:24:18,123 --> 00:24:22,184 And all the kids were very happy 'cause they knew they were gonna hear somethin'... 280 00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:24,762 Unusual, at least different, you know. 281 00:24:24,863 --> 00:24:28,799 I got out with my little Boy Scout shoes on, you know... 282 00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:33,064 And got the right stance, just like I was Abraham Lincoln, you know... 283 00:24:33,171 --> 00:24:35,071 and I even addressed 'em. 284 00:24:35,173 --> 00:24:38,939 "Faculty, student body and friends," I says, "I'm gonna talk about a bird... 285 00:24:39,044 --> 00:24:41,945 "but it's a different bird; it's not gonna be a sandpiper. 286 00:24:42,047 --> 00:24:43,947 One that you're all familiar with. " 287 00:24:44,049 --> 00:24:46,108 Mama nodded. "You tell 'em, son. " 288 00:24:46,218 --> 00:24:49,483 I reared back, and that old woman was just beamin' with pride. 289 00:24:49,588 --> 00:24:51,146 I said... 290 00:24:51,256 --> 00:24:55,215 "The woodpecker flew to the schoolhouse yard. 291 00:24:55,327 --> 00:24:58,387 He wanted to peck because his pecker was hard. " 292 00:25:00,131 --> 00:25:04,033 "The woodpecker flew to the schoolhouse door. 293 00:25:04,135 --> 00:25:07,070 He pecked so long till his pecker got sore. " 294 00:25:07,172 --> 00:25:10,573 Then they were gettin' up. I saw 'em gettin' up. 295 00:25:10,675 --> 00:25:15,305 "The woodpecker, he pecked all night till the break of day. 296 00:25:15,413 --> 00:25:17,608 When the sun rose up he flew away. " 297 00:25:17,716 --> 00:25:20,549 And 'bout that time they had me by the ear, by the feet. 298 00:25:20,652 --> 00:25:22,552 Even old man Parks had me. 299 00:25:22,654 --> 00:25:25,782 They upped and liked to beat all the hide off me. 300 00:25:25,891 --> 00:25:28,587 That was my last time, I think, appearing on... 301 00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:31,594 On... in school. 302 00:25:34,699 --> 00:25:37,099 Oh, my goodness. What are you... 303 00:25:37,202 --> 00:25:40,171 What you laughin' 'bout? You forgot that, girl? 304 00:25:44,376 --> 00:25:48,244 Now, here's somethin' that you got that used to be common, you know. 305 00:25:48,313 --> 00:25:50,213 This little ol' hen here? 306 00:25:50,315 --> 00:25:53,216 I guess you don't know where the salt shakers went. 307 00:25:53,318 --> 00:25:55,218 That was the old hen. 308 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,687 We've had that for many a year. That belonged to my wife. 309 00:25:58,790 --> 00:26:01,020 - Really? - Yeah. 310 00:26:01,126 --> 00:26:03,526 These were all her things here. 311 00:26:03,628 --> 00:26:05,459 - Well, look... - I don't remember you. 312 00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:07,327 No, well, I... I lived on... 313 00:26:07,432 --> 00:26:10,162 I lived on Seventh Street years ago. 314 00:26:10,268 --> 00:26:14,034 And the houses were so close together you could piss out one window... 315 00:26:14,139 --> 00:26:16,198 and puke out the other. 316 00:26:16,308 --> 00:26:18,708 The first screen doors and things that I saw... 317 00:26:18,810 --> 00:26:22,371 I thought they were put up there to keep the flies in the house... 318 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,040 not out of the house. 319 00:26:25,150 --> 00:26:30,053 And if Mama's favorite preacher was there eatin'up my daddy's good fried chicken... 320 00:26:30,155 --> 00:26:33,420 I fanned the flies and they would give me the wing. 321 00:26:33,525 --> 00:26:36,983 See, that was awful fine, eatin', you know, the chicken wing. 322 00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:39,461 But that old preacher... ol' Reverend Parks... 323 00:26:39,564 --> 00:26:45,025 Mama had the chicken cut up so it would look like a whole lot of chicken, you know. 324 00:26:45,136 --> 00:26:50,199 And they started in on the tender parts, you know, like the breast, you see. 325 00:26:50,308 --> 00:26:52,299 And that melted in his mouth. 326 00:26:52,410 --> 00:26:56,608 Then they got down to the drumsticks and he just drank those, almost. 327 00:26:56,715 --> 00:26:58,580 But when he got round... 328 00:26:58,683 --> 00:27:02,016 And he just indiscriminately he stuck his fork in... 329 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,645 whatever part of the chicken was close to him... 330 00:27:04,756 --> 00:27:07,316 and he happened to stick the fork in one of my wings. 331 00:27:07,425 --> 00:27:09,325 Man, I fell on the table. 332 00:27:09,427 --> 00:27:11,327 Cried, screamed like a wildcat. 333 00:27:11,429 --> 00:27:14,364 Mama had to drag me to the woodshed and lambasted me. 334 00:27:18,803 --> 00:27:21,704 Well, look at this dude. He done ate up all the chicken. 335 00:27:21,806 --> 00:27:23,706 He got one piece... 336 00:27:23,808 --> 00:27:26,038 and he's gon' save that for his supper tonight. 337 00:27:26,144 --> 00:27:29,045 - How much did he start with? - I don't know. I think he had... Look! 338 00:27:29,147 --> 00:27:32,275 There's a whole thing and it's empty. A whole, big thing. 339 00:27:32,384 --> 00:27:36,411 He just like the old woman that save her supper for her breakfast... 340 00:27:36,521 --> 00:27:38,421 and died before morning. 341 00:27:38,523 --> 00:27:41,424 Well, chicken ain't nothin' but a bird, you know. 342 00:27:41,526 --> 00:27:43,721 You sure love it, don't you? 343 00:27:43,828 --> 00:27:46,490 You have a love affair with a piece of chicken. 344 00:27:46,598 --> 00:27:48,498 Chicken ain't nothin' but a bird. 345 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,934 But there's one thing I can say about that bird, Mr. Rachell. 346 00:27:53,038 --> 00:27:57,031 He hadn't long to live when you get your grippers on him. 347 00:27:57,142 --> 00:28:00,543 You sink your 32-20s in him, he won't live long. 348 00:28:00,645 --> 00:28:02,670 - Ain't no way. - I done told the truth. 349 00:28:02,781 --> 00:28:04,339 32-20s"? 350 00:28:04,449 --> 00:28:07,350 You know, them big graveyard toothpicks they got up there. 351 00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:12,384 He love the Colonel 'bout as well as you love McDonald's. 352 00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:50,022 There were different ethnic groups here in this part of Tennessee where I was... 353 00:28:50,128 --> 00:28:55,156 And they had, of course, Jim Crow, the discriminatory practices and whatnot. 354 00:28:55,266 --> 00:29:00,033 We weren't supposed to cross over the line, but bein'little ol'kids and things, we did. 355 00:29:00,138 --> 00:29:03,198 I played with the little Italians, the little Hungarians... 356 00:29:03,308 --> 00:29:05,902 The little Polish kids, you know. 357 00:29:06,010 --> 00:29:11,710 Well, I was speakin'better Italian, grammatically, than I was English. 358 00:29:11,816 --> 00:29:15,752 And so, when I first came to Chicago in the '30s... 359 00:29:15,854 --> 00:29:17,754 It served me in good stead. 360 00:29:17,856 --> 00:29:23,385 Mine was the only black group that could go among these different ethnic groups... 361 00:29:23,495 --> 00:29:26,589 Because I could make out and speak in the language... 362 00:29:26,698 --> 00:29:30,031 And also playin'the type of music most of'em liked. 363 00:30:03,668 --> 00:30:06,637 How you like that, Brother Rachell? 364 00:30:06,738 --> 00:30:10,970 Well, it'll do, but I have seen better. 365 00:30:11,075 --> 00:30:14,602 I've seen better"? You act like you haven't heard anythingl 366 00:30:14,712 --> 00:30:17,203 No, I didn't. Neither heared or see'd it. 367 00:30:17,315 --> 00:30:20,307 We start pulling doors right after we got here. 368 00:30:20,418 --> 00:30:23,876 Pullin'doors was like, uh, three or four guys just to get together. 369 00:30:23,988 --> 00:30:26,548 Didn't matter what the instrumentation was. 370 00:30:26,658 --> 00:30:28,819 And, uh, we had no particular place to play. 371 00:30:28,927 --> 00:30:31,418 You know, didn't have any gig, that is. 372 00:30:31,529 --> 00:30:34,157 And we... I said, "Well, look, man. 373 00:30:34,265 --> 00:30:37,826 I'm gonna pull the door, the first door. " 374 00:30:37,936 --> 00:30:41,963 You don't know whether you're gonna get a cuspidor thrown in your face or thrown out... 375 00:30:42,073 --> 00:30:43,734 or maybe invited in. 376 00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:46,902 And we ran on a little Italian place they call La Casita. 377 00:30:47,011 --> 00:30:50,947 And I didn't know that they were angry becauseJoe Louis beat this big fighter... 378 00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:53,313 They call Primo Canero. 379 00:30:53,418 --> 00:30:55,477 And I walked in front with my violin... 380 00:30:55,587 --> 00:30:58,579 And the little place was hazy with these little stogies"they'd call 'em... 381 00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:01,090 little Italian cigars, you know. 382 00:31:01,192 --> 00:31:04,127 The smoke was everywhere. Just blue in there. 383 00:31:04,229 --> 00:31:07,130 The atmosphere was really... really hostile. 384 00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:11,168 I tried to back out, and I backed up on the guitar player. 385 00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:13,703 He backed up on the washboard player. 386 00:31:13,805 --> 00:31:17,536 And he backed up on the bass fiddle player who blocked the door. 387 00:31:17,642 --> 00:31:21,703 So something told me... I don't know, the devil might have stuck his tail in my ear... 388 00:31:21,813 --> 00:31:23,508 He said, "Talk Italian. " 389 00:31:23,615 --> 00:31:26,743 And I started rattling off my Tennessee Italian... 390 00:31:26,851 --> 00:31:30,514 and so right away the whole atmosphere changed. 391 00:31:30,622 --> 00:31:32,613 And I told 'em I could play Italian music. 392 00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:36,216 And he says... Presto! 393 00:31:36,327 --> 00:31:41,162 Play right away. And we almost tore the lid off that old raggedy fiddle case I had... 394 00:31:41,266 --> 00:31:43,359 tryin' to get it out fast enough. 395 00:31:43,468 --> 00:31:46,494 Then after we had gotten full on that good old dago red and whatnot... 396 00:31:46,604 --> 00:31:50,404 That they was servin'us, the boys got a little tipsy. 397 00:31:50,508 --> 00:31:56,003 And, uh, we were playing one particular song they call Oh, Marie"... 398 00:31:56,114 --> 00:32:01,177 And, uh, some of the guys thought they were really singing Italian... 399 00:32:01,286 --> 00:32:04,585 and they were sayin', "Oh, my leg," "Oh" anything, you know. 400 00:32:04,689 --> 00:32:08,022 Italians say, "Oh, you boys sing good Italian," you know? 401 00:32:08,126 --> 00:32:09,787 Some of the guys were singing... 402 00:32:09,894 --> 00:32:14,058 "Oh, my leg," and "Oh" whatever... anything. Anything they could think of, they'd say. 403 00:32:14,165 --> 00:32:17,498 - Yeah. - And that's what got us out of that little scrap. 404 00:32:17,602 --> 00:32:20,696 And every time... "Where you dudes goin' on Monday, man?" 405 00:32:20,805 --> 00:32:23,638 "We goin' out, play for 'em in Italian. " "Uh-uh. Not me. " 406 00:32:23,741 --> 00:32:25,936 And we played over here at that place. 407 00:32:26,044 --> 00:32:29,775 What was that pretty song that you told me? I don't know it so well, but you said... 408 00:32:29,881 --> 00:32:32,076 - The one you... - Oh, that... that... Oh! 409 00:32:32,183 --> 00:32:34,151 - "My Four Reasons"? - Yeah, "My Four Reasons. " 410 00:32:34,252 --> 00:32:37,517 - Oh, yeah, I wrote that in jail, man. - Did you write it in jail? 411 00:32:37,622 --> 00:32:39,715 - Yeah. - What were you in jail for? 412 00:32:39,824 --> 00:32:42,292 - Well, you see, that's gettin' a little personal. - Oh, excuse me. 413 00:32:42,393 --> 00:32:45,157 I thought it was the time that you found a rope in the street... 414 00:32:45,263 --> 00:32:48,323 and the reason they put you in jail... they didn't put you in jail for the rope... 415 00:32:48,433 --> 00:32:52,164 He had a pig on the other end of the rope. 416 00:32:52,270 --> 00:32:53,931 - Is that right? - All right now. 417 00:32:54,038 --> 00:32:56,006 - Well, anyway... - You want me to play a little... 418 00:32:56,107 --> 00:32:58,405 - so you can see what this is? - Yeah, play a little bit for us now. 419 00:33:01,512 --> 00:33:03,412 Pick up on it, Tommy. 420 00:34:19,023 --> 00:34:20,957 Go on. I don't care. 421 00:35:37,935 --> 00:35:40,927 I'd hate to wake up anywhere and see that. 422 00:35:41,038 --> 00:35:45,566 You know, at nighttime, daytime, summertime, winter... any other time. 423 00:35:45,676 --> 00:35:49,908 See, I'm a realist. If you're gonna be an artist, paint something that looks like something... 424 00:35:50,014 --> 00:35:51,982 At least you can relate to. 425 00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:56,918 That, I don't know. It's just like something that jumped out of The Twilight Zone. 426 00:35:57,021 --> 00:35:58,682 That's the way I feel about it. 427 00:35:58,789 --> 00:36:02,520 Whole lot of money, a big bunch of bullshit went down the drain, you know what I mean? 428 00:36:02,627 --> 00:36:05,095 You could pick that up most anywhere. 429 00:36:05,196 --> 00:36:07,528 You know, it may not be quite as big as that. 430 00:36:07,632 --> 00:36:09,896 Just put it right together and pile it on deep. 431 00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:12,231 I don't think the people who got it... 432 00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:15,464 they know what the hell they were doing in the first place. 433 00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:37,222 Crayola crayon... You know... 434 00:36:37,328 --> 00:36:39,296 And then I took it home and painted it. 435 00:36:39,397 --> 00:36:41,627 How did you come to be an artist? 436 00:36:41,732 --> 00:36:45,600 Well, that's a pretty long story. I'll tell you a little bit. 437 00:36:45,703 --> 00:36:49,434 See, I was raised down in Tennessee. 438 00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:52,475 And, um, there was a big family of us. 439 00:36:52,577 --> 00:36:56,206 My dad was a painter, but he had to work hard, see? 440 00:36:56,314 --> 00:37:00,250 And so I used to... I didn't even have paint to use. 441 00:37:00,351 --> 00:37:03,787 I would go out and get pokeberry ink to make my red. 442 00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:08,018 Steal my mother's blue ink to make blue. 443 00:37:08,125 --> 00:37:11,185 And get walnut stain to make yellow, you know what I mean? 444 00:37:11,295 --> 00:37:13,490 - And you know what else I did? - What? 445 00:37:13,598 --> 00:37:17,466 To get my brushes, I pulled the hairs out of a cat's tail... 446 00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:19,593 and jammed... put 'em in a quill. 447 00:37:19,704 --> 00:37:22,571 You know? Goose quill. And made me a brush. 448 00:37:22,673 --> 00:37:25,233 There wasn't a cat in that neighborhood liked me. 449 00:37:25,343 --> 00:37:28,005 Then the first time that I saw it rain... 450 00:37:28,112 --> 00:37:32,071 On some crepe paper, it solved my problem. 451 00:37:32,183 --> 00:37:35,584 I saw that there dye running out of the paper, you know what I mean? 452 00:37:35,686 --> 00:37:37,586 All colors, you know? 453 00:37:37,688 --> 00:37:41,886 And then I got me some scraps of crepe paper, squeezed it out in a ball... 454 00:37:41,993 --> 00:37:45,087 Then I had me some nice ink to paint with. 455 00:37:45,196 --> 00:37:49,064 And the first Christmas that I got a set of watercolors... 456 00:37:49,166 --> 00:37:53,262 a whole, brand-new set... four colors... I slept with them. 457 00:37:54,438 --> 00:37:58,841 Ofttimes, people would see me paint, hear me play or something like that... 458 00:37:58,943 --> 00:38:02,606 And sometime they would say, Oh, you're not all black. 459 00:38:02,713 --> 00:38:04,613 You must be mixed with something. " 460 00:38:04,715 --> 00:38:08,048 Aw, gee. And my wife says, Yes. I can tell you what. 461 00:38:08,152 --> 00:38:10,950 To be exact, he's a half-breed. 462 00:38:11,055 --> 00:38:14,718 He's halfblack and half jackass. " 463 00:38:14,825 --> 00:38:17,385 And so that was awful bad on me. I didn't like that. 464 00:38:17,495 --> 00:38:19,793 If I'd have been a wife-beatin'man... 465 00:38:19,897 --> 00:38:22,024 I would've gone right upside her head... 466 00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:27,127 Put five of clubs on her and trumped her little act. 467 00:38:28,372 --> 00:38:32,672 They're twin brothers. Usually one half is in jail most of the time. 468 00:38:34,545 --> 00:38:37,070 I'm a heathen. Shit. 469 00:38:37,181 --> 00:38:39,081 I can give my money to a whore... 470 00:38:39,183 --> 00:38:41,879 We can give it to a damn preacher. What do I give a damn for? 471 00:38:41,986 --> 00:38:44,147 Preacher's a regular legalized pimp. 472 00:38:44,255 --> 00:38:48,885 Start talking about hell and damnation lookin'right dead in a sister's drawers. 473 00:38:48,993 --> 00:38:53,930 A lot of people didn't care too much aboutJesus 'cause he was too humble and meek. 474 00:38:54,031 --> 00:38:57,057 Who in the fuck cares about somebody who's noddin'his damn head... 475 00:38:57,168 --> 00:38:59,636 When a guy's gettin'ready to kick his ass? 476 00:39:01,772 --> 00:39:04,502 Ike, I want to show you something... some of my artwork, you know. 477 00:39:04,608 --> 00:39:06,508 - Yeah. - This is something. 478 00:39:06,610 --> 00:39:09,670 I'm sure you've never seen anything like it before. 479 00:39:09,780 --> 00:39:12,112 - See? Special book, you know... - Yeah. 480 00:39:12,216 --> 00:39:14,650 That I drew myself, wrote and everything. 481 00:39:14,752 --> 00:39:16,686 - It's called A Whorehouse Bible. - It is? 482 00:39:16,787 --> 00:39:19,347 - You take a look through that. - Ooh, yeah. 483 00:39:19,457 --> 00:39:22,290 And if you see anything that make your ears wiggle, you know. 484 00:39:22,393 --> 00:39:23,360 Yeah. 485 00:39:23,461 --> 00:39:26,624 You can open it up and see what it's like, you see. 486 00:39:26,731 --> 00:39:28,631 All like that. 487 00:39:28,733 --> 00:39:31,429 - More truth in porn, see? - Yeah, I see. 488 00:39:33,571 --> 00:39:38,008 Actually this is called the ABC's of Pornography. 489 00:39:40,344 --> 00:39:45,281 Each letter tells about some particular act, you know, what it stands for. 490 00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:47,715 It's not about intercourse all the time. 491 00:39:47,818 --> 00:39:51,151 But I think there's a little knowledge that can be gained... 492 00:39:51,255 --> 00:39:53,155 If you read the book all the way through. 493 00:39:53,257 --> 00:39:56,886 About different things that we don't ordinarily hear about. 494 00:39:56,994 --> 00:40:00,452 You see, a lot of people think that pornography... 495 00:40:00,564 --> 00:40:03,965 Is something vicious or ugly and all like that. 496 00:40:04,068 --> 00:40:07,629 But it is a basic part of our life, believe it or not. 497 00:40:07,738 --> 00:40:10,036 Yeah, I imagine that. You got a lot of writing. 498 00:40:10,141 --> 00:40:11,768 - Huh? - A lot of history and writing. 499 00:40:11,876 --> 00:40:14,276 Well, a lot of it was done sporadically, you know. 500 00:40:14,378 --> 00:40:17,006 I took a little over a year, I think. 501 00:40:17,114 --> 00:40:22,142 I even got some things in here about Cleopatra and the Queen of Sheba. 502 00:40:22,253 --> 00:40:24,813 Well, what is it he's cookin'? 503 00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:27,823 Sure. But you see who's coming in the door, don't you? Jody. 504 00:40:27,925 --> 00:40:30,792 See, he got it open... a chitlin pot, you know. 505 00:40:30,895 --> 00:40:33,557 - Well, he's been up here... - And the woman's husband's coming in. 506 00:40:33,664 --> 00:40:36,895 - Oh, my goodness. - Of course, you know what happened, don't you? 507 00:40:37,001 --> 00:40:40,937 - Yeah. I got an idea. - He was a candidate for an early funeral. 508 00:40:42,706 --> 00:40:45,402 - See that woman stickin' out so far behind? - Yeah. 509 00:40:45,509 --> 00:40:48,171 Well, anyway, that's what we call steatopygic. 510 00:40:48,279 --> 00:40:52,613 And that means that you have a lot of fat in your gluteus maximus. 511 00:40:52,716 --> 00:40:55,116 - You know, your buttocks, you see. - Uh-huh. 512 00:40:55,219 --> 00:40:59,553 Many women in this country, especially of African origin... 513 00:40:59,657 --> 00:41:01,124 Have a lot of fat behind, you know? 514 00:41:01,225 --> 00:41:03,659 Some of them stick out so damn far... 515 00:41:03,761 --> 00:41:06,730 you can put a saddle on 'em and ride, you know. 516 00:41:06,831 --> 00:41:09,265 This guy told me... said a certain part ofhis anatomy... 517 00:41:09,366 --> 00:41:11,732 When he looked at one of those women stickin' out... 518 00:41:11,836 --> 00:41:14,771 got harder than a Chinese arithmetic problem. 519 00:41:18,809 --> 00:41:20,777 Man, turn that page. 520 00:41:25,049 --> 00:41:28,951 Boy, I guess. This is some book. 521 00:41:29,053 --> 00:41:31,578 Why, sure it's some book. It's a special book, see? 522 00:41:31,689 --> 00:41:35,989 Make a weak-minded fool go stone crazy. That's all there is to it, see? 523 00:41:36,093 --> 00:41:40,154 Now there's the man Death. He's the biggest pimp of all. That's Death. 524 00:41:40,264 --> 00:41:43,461 I don't care how good you feel or what you're feeling for. 525 00:41:43,567 --> 00:41:46,092 When he says, "checkmate," my man, it's all over. 526 00:41:46,203 --> 00:41:48,763 Did you use models for this? 527 00:41:48,873 --> 00:41:54,106 - Uh, yes. Mental... Mental models. - Mental models. 528 00:41:54,211 --> 00:41:56,236 Oh, my God! 529 00:41:57,381 --> 00:42:00,908 This was in a J ET magazine about this black woman... 530 00:42:01,018 --> 00:42:02,918 born with two vaginas, man. 531 00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:05,284 - You didn't know that? - No, I didn't catch that. 532 00:42:05,389 --> 00:42:09,189 She had five kids... three out of one and two out of the other. 533 00:42:09,293 --> 00:42:11,727 Really. But what I can't understand... 534 00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:15,663 how the heck did they keep score on which one she had the babies out of? 535 00:42:15,766 --> 00:42:19,930 - That's... That is something. That's something. - Now that's what got me. That's right. 536 00:42:20,037 --> 00:42:21,937 No wonder you keep this book locked up. 537 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,531 Well, I have to keep it locked up to keep the man from locking me up. 538 00:42:56,307 --> 00:42:59,242 Do it. Right on! 539 00:44:09,847 --> 00:44:14,875 Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. 540 00:44:14,985 --> 00:44:18,421 Thank you very much. 541 00:44:18,522 --> 00:44:21,685 - I'm an old record collector. - Oh, yeah. 542 00:44:21,792 --> 00:44:27,458 Uh-huh. And I've got a record here... an old 78 R.P.M. You made about 40 or 50 years ago. 543 00:44:27,564 --> 00:44:28,531 - Who did? - You did. 544 00:44:28,632 --> 00:44:30,532 That must've been my daddy made that. 545 00:44:30,634 --> 00:44:32,192 Maybe. 546 00:44:32,302 --> 00:44:35,897 But I could've sworn it was your fiddle I heard just a second ago. 547 00:44:36,006 --> 00:44:38,236 You have any idea how rare that is now? 548 00:44:38,342 --> 00:44:42,438 Oh, yes. I know it is because we never did even get to see the record. 549 00:44:42,546 --> 00:44:46,676 The guy who bought us a hamburger... man, he flew the coop. He did the Houdini. 550 00:44:46,784 --> 00:44:50,845 - You played the fiddle on this back then. - Sure did. I played the fiddle on there. 551 00:44:50,954 --> 00:44:54,617 And I also played the mandolin too. 552 00:44:54,725 --> 00:44:58,161 - "Vine Street Rag. " - Okay. 553 00:44:58,262 --> 00:45:00,594 - Yeah. - What you want me to sign? 554 00:45:00,698 --> 00:45:03,758 - Didn't even put my name on it, did they? - I know it. That's not much credit. 555 00:45:03,867 --> 00:45:06,233 - What is your name now? - Ron Brown. 556 00:45:06,336 --> 00:45:09,203 - R- O-N B-R-O-W-N? - That's correct. 557 00:45:09,306 --> 00:45:11,365 - I wish I could write... - I can't believe that. 558 00:45:11,475 --> 00:45:16,071 - Ain't that something? - You got the finest cursive I've ever seen. 559 00:45:16,180 --> 00:45:19,775 This guy's an artist, man. You oughta see some ofhis painting. 560 00:45:19,883 --> 00:45:25,617 - Do you play any B.B. King music? - Uh, well, I don't... Now that's... Now listen. 561 00:45:25,723 --> 00:45:28,521 I'm glad you phrased it like that. 562 00:45:28,625 --> 00:45:33,289 Ofttimes when we'll be playing in clubs and places, some white will come up... 563 00:45:33,397 --> 00:45:37,800 "Hey, man. Can you play B.B. King?" 564 00:45:37,901 --> 00:45:41,359 I say, "Yeah, if you put some strings on him, tune him up and give me a fiddle bow. 565 00:45:41,472 --> 00:45:44,202 I'll play the hell out of him, you know. " 566 00:45:44,308 --> 00:45:47,607 I just play my own thing, you know what I mean. 567 00:45:47,711 --> 00:45:49,906 - Yeah. - It's a heterogeneous thing. 568 00:45:56,453 --> 00:46:00,184 I played here when we didn't have electric guitars and fiddles. 569 00:46:00,290 --> 00:46:04,488 We used to play on the corner, man. We had a dude you call Washboard Sam. 570 00:46:04,595 --> 00:46:06,995 Another guy played a guitar. I played my fiddle. 571 00:46:07,097 --> 00:46:10,396 And we'd come over here and set up shop. 572 00:46:10,501 --> 00:46:13,664 The guys that you know along back then like Bumble Bee Slim... 573 00:46:13,771 --> 00:46:16,535 Tampa Red, Memphis Minnie. 574 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,974 And, man, we passed a hat. We got all kinds of chips. 575 00:46:21,078 --> 00:46:23,876 Hey, my man. Wanna check it out, see what we got for you. 576 00:46:23,981 --> 00:46:26,449 - How you doin'? Got your sunglasses, earrings. - Everything's cool. 577 00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:29,144 - Yeah, man. - Posters. 578 00:46:29,253 --> 00:46:31,153 Well, I wanna see what you got in here. 579 00:46:31,255 --> 00:46:35,885 Check out some of these new-wave sunglasses. Come from that new-wave music... that punk rock. 580 00:46:35,993 --> 00:46:37,460 Toys for the mind. 581 00:46:37,561 --> 00:46:40,860 - How much are those smaller posters up there? - Those are two dollars. The large is three. 582 00:46:40,964 --> 00:46:43,797 - You got the one with the butterfly on it? - Think we should have it. 583 00:46:43,901 --> 00:46:46,335 - Is this the right one, Howard? - Yeah, that's the right one, man. 584 00:46:46,436 --> 00:46:48,404 - Turn it up the other way, right? - A dragon. 585 00:46:48,505 --> 00:46:51,030 Yeah, I'm gonna put that right over my bed, man. 586 00:46:51,141 --> 00:46:53,405 - And I got a black light. - Black light? Okay. 587 00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:56,172 You put that on, then that child will jump right at you, man. 588 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,544 - Right. Right. Look like it's right before you. - Yeah. 589 00:46:58,649 --> 00:47:00,116 Oh, hell, yeah. 590 00:47:00,217 --> 00:47:02,117 Well, I wanna wish you success. 591 00:47:02,219 --> 00:47:04,813 Look, you know what old-time people used to say? 592 00:47:04,922 --> 00:47:08,983 I'm just as proud to see you if I'd found a strand of hair in my bread. 593 00:47:09,092 --> 00:47:11,287 - I'm really glad to meet you. - Glad to meet you too. 594 00:47:11,395 --> 00:47:13,295 - See ya, man. - You have a good day now. 595 00:47:13,397 --> 00:47:16,730 - Will do. - Who's next with the paper? You next? 596 00:47:18,001 --> 00:47:20,094 What do you say, bro? 597 00:47:20,204 --> 00:47:23,298 - Who them with ya? - I don't know. I'm just looking. 598 00:47:23,407 --> 00:47:26,968 - Do you wanna buy something? - Well, how do I know if I don't look? 599 00:47:27,077 --> 00:47:30,012 Is there harm in looking, or is there a price? 600 00:47:30,113 --> 00:47:32,513 Is there a price on looking? 601 00:47:32,616 --> 00:47:34,675 What's that in that brown bottle? 602 00:47:34,785 --> 00:47:38,243 Where you put it? Under your arms, or between your toes, or where? 603 00:47:38,355 --> 00:47:43,190 When I was up in West Virginia, Martin and I, we joined this black man. 604 00:47:43,293 --> 00:47:45,659 And I knew he was black as I was. 605 00:47:45,762 --> 00:47:47,992 But he said he was a Hindu. 606 00:47:48,098 --> 00:47:50,999 Then he call himself Leon Debondara... 607 00:47:51,101 --> 00:47:54,036 And he made snake oil, and he had... 608 00:47:54,137 --> 00:47:58,540 They call 'em trailers and campers now, but we called them house cars back then. 609 00:47:58,642 --> 00:48:02,408 We hit the road. There's one thing I must give the man. 610 00:48:02,512 --> 00:48:05,106 He had the gift of gab. 611 00:48:05,215 --> 00:48:08,707 He could make you see where fat meat wasn't greasy almost. 612 00:48:08,819 --> 00:48:12,585 'Cause when he... When he brought out his medicine and things... 613 00:48:12,689 --> 00:48:15,522 the bottle was worth more than what was in the bottle. 614 00:48:15,626 --> 00:48:18,720 - Smells pretty good. - Does it? 615 00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:21,161 And that's a dollar, huh? 616 00:48:21,265 --> 00:48:22,755 It was really a quackery. 617 00:48:22,866 --> 00:48:27,360 He would look over the audience... used to be mostly men in the crowd. 618 00:48:27,471 --> 00:48:29,371 "What's wrong with you? 619 00:48:29,473 --> 00:48:31,031 "It's your kidneys. 620 00:48:31,141 --> 00:48:36,010 "Poison has pervaded, or invaded your whole system. 621 00:48:36,113 --> 00:48:38,911 "And not only... That's just the beginning. 622 00:48:39,016 --> 00:48:40,984 "When your heart is palpitating... 623 00:48:41,084 --> 00:48:43,484 "you got bags under your eyes... 624 00:48:43,587 --> 00:48:46,147 "That's just part of what I want to tell you about. 625 00:48:46,256 --> 00:48:47,951 "I'm not gonna point you out. 626 00:48:48,058 --> 00:48:51,926 "But some of you men out there... you're not functioning as a man. 627 00:48:52,029 --> 00:48:53,929 "Oh, I'm not gonna call you a name. 628 00:48:54,031 --> 00:48:56,226 You know who it is that, uh... 629 00:48:56,333 --> 00:49:00,895 "When's the last time your wife came to your bedroom? 630 00:49:01,004 --> 00:49:03,734 Don't tell me, 'cause you don't have to. I know. " 631 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,206 He says, "But I guarantee you... 632 00:49:06,310 --> 00:49:09,404 "if you take just one bottle of this... 633 00:49:09,513 --> 00:49:12,573 "wonderful medicine for three days... 634 00:49:12,683 --> 00:49:16,278 "she'll be breaking the door... you'll have to get a new door, that's all there is to it... 635 00:49:16,386 --> 00:49:18,752 "'cause she'll break the door down to get into there. 636 00:49:18,855 --> 00:49:22,086 You'll be performing like you should as a man. " 637 00:49:22,192 --> 00:49:25,389 If it was a pretty prosperous medicine show... 638 00:49:25,495 --> 00:49:27,588 They would get fellas to play music. 639 00:49:27,698 --> 00:49:31,293 That's where we came in. I was playing a banjo-mandolin. 640 00:49:31,401 --> 00:49:35,132 And I was really plunking the thing, and Martin was singing. 641 00:49:35,238 --> 00:49:39,698 And not only could Martin sing and pick his guitar, he could dance too. 642 00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:43,678 And he knew how to do buck and wing. " 643 00:49:43,780 --> 00:49:47,716 Tap-dancing wasn't as well known as it is today. 644 00:49:47,818 --> 00:49:51,185 But it wasn't nothin'but just come from old buck dancin', you know? 645 00:50:31,695 --> 00:50:35,290 They ain't no sound like the old days, 'cause they ain't got that spirit in them. 646 00:50:35,399 --> 00:50:38,835 They ain't got that kind of stuff in 'em to play that sound. 647 00:50:38,935 --> 00:50:41,096 This man... This man here... 648 00:50:41,204 --> 00:50:45,573 This man is doing something that when he plays and sings the blues with that mandolin... 649 00:50:45,675 --> 00:50:48,610 If you've been down in my part of the country... 650 00:50:48,712 --> 00:50:53,775 And sleep of mornings and hear a guy going to work... 651 00:50:53,884 --> 00:50:57,320 in a deck of overalls and a overall jacket... 652 00:50:57,421 --> 00:50:59,787 with creases in the pants... 653 00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:04,327 And he's on his way to work and hear him strumming on a mandolin and singing the blues... 654 00:51:04,428 --> 00:51:07,761 or a guitar and singing the blues, then you've had it. 655 00:51:07,864 --> 00:51:09,798 You don't hear that now. 656 00:51:12,469 --> 00:51:15,802 Chicago's Westend Nightclub... 657 00:51:15,906 --> 00:51:21,640 Welcomes back Howard Armstrong, Banjo"Ikey Robinson... 658 00:51:21,745 --> 00:51:26,011 Tom Armstrong, Yank Rachell... 659 00:51:26,116 --> 00:51:28,175 And Mr. Ted Bogan. 660 00:51:33,523 --> 00:51:35,423 This is the last tune, ladies and gentlemen. 661 00:51:35,525 --> 00:51:38,756 Mr. Bogan won't mean for you to drag your feet or drag your hand. 662 00:51:38,862 --> 00:51:41,490 Get it, take it and get. Get with it. 663 00:51:42,866 --> 00:51:44,458 "Divin' Duck Blues. " 664 00:51:44,568 --> 00:51:47,002 It's a song I made in 1929. 665 00:51:47,104 --> 00:51:50,039 You mean, uh, A.D. Or B.C.? Which? 666 00:51:50,140 --> 00:51:54,076 In 1929, I'm 30 years old... 35 however. 667 00:51:54,177 --> 00:51:56,668 - Soon you'll be old as Jack Benny, won't you? - I'm trying to tell you. 668 00:53:34,444 --> 00:53:37,174 Blues is more than that. 669 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:42,741 - Blues has been a way of life... - From way back in the fields of the cotton. 670 00:53:42,852 --> 00:53:47,380 Absolutely. Absolutely. Because I remember back in Tennessee... 671 00:53:47,490 --> 00:53:50,982 I would go to one of these old Saturday night catfish fries, you know? 672 00:53:51,094 --> 00:53:53,995 And we'd be just whamming away. We'd be laying it down, man. 673 00:53:54,097 --> 00:53:55,997 The atmosphere was really getting ripe. 674 00:53:56,099 --> 00:53:57,657 - You know what I mean? - Yeah. 675 00:53:57,767 --> 00:54:00,759 Whole lot of cats... they didn't know what soap and water was nohow, man. 676 00:54:00,870 --> 00:54:02,838 - And the place was catfish... - We didn't care what it was. 677 00:54:02,939 --> 00:54:05,806 Well, you know all them chitlins and catfish goin' on, man. 678 00:54:05,909 --> 00:54:07,934 It was hell in there, you know what I mean? 679 00:54:08,044 --> 00:54:12,777 And I start some more old-down funky blues on the upbeat, you know. 680 00:54:12,882 --> 00:54:16,045 And them chicks got to wiggling their bellies and their rear end. 681 00:54:16,152 --> 00:54:19,610 'Aw, do it, baby. Throw it in Tug River, man"... that's all. 682 00:54:19,723 --> 00:54:24,160 I got down on my knees and start crawling cross the floor, playin'my fiddle. 683 00:54:24,261 --> 00:54:27,992 And then got so smart, I put it behind my head and started playing my thing. 684 00:54:28,098 --> 00:54:30,589 I'm tellin' you, man. That's real blues. 685 00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:33,328 Uh-huh. That's real... That's real... That's history, man. 686 00:54:33,436 --> 00:54:35,336 Well, that's our history anyway. 687 00:54:37,774 --> 00:54:40,402 You always were a grouch. 688 00:54:40,510 --> 00:54:43,775 He put that nickel in. That mean Armstrong put up first. 689 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,442 Hey. Shit. But my dollar... 690 00:54:48,551 --> 00:54:51,349 Put something else up there... 691 00:54:51,454 --> 00:54:55,288 - I'll wait him out. - He puttin' in. That's a friend. 692 00:54:55,392 --> 00:55:00,056 - He's a friend. He's a friend. - Don't fall out, y'all. Kill a man over a nickel. 693 00:55:00,163 --> 00:55:04,463 - I know people got killed over two cents. - I know of a man got killed over a nickel. 694 00:55:04,567 --> 00:55:06,467 But he was reachin' in the pot takin' money. 695 00:55:06,569 --> 00:55:09,766 I know a man got killed the other day over nothin'at his own place. 696 00:55:09,873 --> 00:55:13,639 - A man come in there and shot him. - Mm-hmm. 697 00:55:13,743 --> 00:55:17,338 - Shot him? - Somebody got killed up in there near me. 698 00:55:17,447 --> 00:55:20,473 Up there on 71 st and something. 699 00:55:20,583 --> 00:55:24,713 Man and woman... somebody come in there and kill the both of'em. 700 00:55:24,821 --> 00:55:26,914 - Oh, no, you don't. - Top card. Top card. 701 00:55:27,023 --> 00:55:29,753 Well, put it over here. What you takin' it back for? 702 00:55:29,859 --> 00:55:33,955 - Gimme that money. Shit. - You got two pair. 703 00:55:34,064 --> 00:55:35,725 Sure I have. Then fold. Give me a dime. 704 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,803 - Now you put all this back now. - Yeah, and some more. 705 00:55:41,905 --> 00:55:45,170 - Man, you're already in there. - I'm already up. 706 00:55:45,275 --> 00:55:48,904 Now, let me know when you're through scramblin' over the money. 707 00:55:49,012 --> 00:55:53,472 See, this is an old-time, slave-time tale, you understand, all right... 708 00:55:53,583 --> 00:55:55,881 Told in poetical form, see. 709 00:55:55,985 --> 00:55:59,182 Now, Jack met the devil with a pot on his back... 710 00:55:59,289 --> 00:56:01,849 "A-tippin' through the morning dew. 711 00:56:01,958 --> 00:56:06,156 "He say, 'I'm lookin' for a nigger that's long and black... 712 00:56:06,262 --> 00:56:08,730 "'case I craves a nigger stew. 713 00:56:08,832 --> 00:56:12,495 I love lean meat. Don't like 'em fat. 714 00:56:12,602 --> 00:56:15,162 Lean meat's tasty and sweet. 715 00:56:15,271 --> 00:56:17,831 You see, I go for a heap of that. 716 00:56:17,941 --> 00:56:21,604 When I find this nigger, jack, I'll have a feast. 717 00:56:21,711 --> 00:56:26,045 The white folks say he's a lazy coon who likes to kick up his heel. 718 00:56:26,149 --> 00:56:30,017 He possum hunts by the light of the moon... 719 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,647 And fucks the wenches when the men's in the field. ' 720 00:56:33,757 --> 00:56:36,988 "Jack knowed the devil couldn't see too well... 721 00:56:37,093 --> 00:56:40,859 But his nose got a great big whiff.. 722 00:56:40,964 --> 00:56:43,899 "Of that great big funky pussy smell. 723 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,334 "So the devil say, 'Boy, you smell just right'... 724 00:56:48,438 --> 00:56:50,463 "and he begin to grin. 725 00:56:50,573 --> 00:56:55,340 But in a second, Jack was out of sight, running just like the wind. " 726 00:56:59,649 --> 00:57:01,116 - Who made what? - That pussy. 727 00:57:01,217 --> 00:57:03,515 No, the book. Who made the book? 728 00:57:03,620 --> 00:57:07,488 I ain't talkin' about the book. I'm talkin' about the pussy. That's what I'm interested in. 729 00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:09,490 I ain't interested in no book. 730 00:57:09,592 --> 00:57:13,323 - What kind of answer do you want for that? - Well, I can't do nothin' with a book. 731 00:57:15,098 --> 00:57:18,295 I tell ya, I belong to the church now and everything. 732 00:57:18,401 --> 00:57:19,834 I belong to a church too. 733 00:57:19,936 --> 00:57:22,837 Well, if you belong to church, you oughta know a lot about it. 734 00:57:22,939 --> 00:57:26,898 - The preacher's usually the biggest... - I know the man who in the church preachin'. 735 00:57:27,010 --> 00:57:30,343 Woman shed all her clothes and the preacher said, Don't peek. " 736 00:57:30,447 --> 00:57:32,347 Said, "Do, you'll go blind. " 737 00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:36,317 I said, "Well, I ain't gonna peek, Reverend, but damned if ain't gonna risk one eye. " 738 00:57:36,419 --> 00:57:38,478 He looked like hell. 739 00:59:32,235 --> 00:59:34,635 I'm not ashamed to tell anybody my age. 740 00:59:34,737 --> 00:59:39,674 I'm 75 years... not old, but 75 years young. 741 00:59:39,776 --> 00:59:44,679 Because I have most of the attributes that young men should have. 742 00:59:44,781 --> 00:59:48,717 I have interest in life. And full of energy, full of pep. 743 00:59:48,818 --> 00:59:51,981 Most of all, I'm full of curiosity... 744 00:59:52,088 --> 00:59:54,955 Because that is one thing that keeps you young. 745 00:59:56,225 --> 00:59:59,023 I'm doing with my life every morning that I get up. 746 00:59:59,128 --> 01:00:01,028 That is my life. 747 01:00:01,130 --> 01:00:04,293 And whatever activity for the day I want to get in... 748 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,062 That's what I get into. 749 01:00:07,170 --> 01:00:09,730 I don't know what the heck is coming. 750 01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:13,673 I guess I must be gonna wind up in The Twilight Zone. 69763

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