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00:00:02,068   (Dramatic instrumental music)  16 00:00:02,135 --> 00:00:05,305 ♪                                17 00:00:09,476 --> 00:00:12,045    ♪                             18 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:24,691  Cosimo Commisso, nice           guy, family man, but...          19 00:00:24,758 --> 00:00:27,627 if you got on the wrong            side of him, he'd kill you.    20 00:00:31,765 --> 00:00:35,301 He said to me, you are the only   guy that's ever come            21 00:00:35,368 --> 00:00:38,538    to my house, met my wife,     met my family.                   22 00:00:41,741 --> 00:00:44,477   I wouldn't let anybody else     in this house                   23 00:00:44,544 --> 00:00:46,012    or even know where I live.    24 00:00:49,182 --> 00:00:50,350  He says, we trust you.          25 00:00:53,787 --> 00:00:55,622   If they thought for a second   26 00:00:55,655 --> 00:00:57,023  they couldn't trust me             they will kill me.            27 00:01:00,827 --> 00:01:02,529    ♪                             28 00:01:02,595 --> 00:01:04,431 The mob is what controls            the world.                    29 00:01:06,699 --> 00:01:08,802 Drug Lord is one thing.          30 00:01:08,868 --> 00:01:10,537   Bikers are another thing...    31 00:01:12,505 --> 00:01:16,643   but the mob controls              banks, lawyers, policemen,    32 00:01:16,709 --> 00:01:19,345 money laundering, drugs.         33 00:01:19,412 --> 00:01:21,748    Worldwide, you're talking        about $80 billion a year.     34 00:01:23,349 --> 00:01:25,251  It's like an octopus.           35 00:01:25,285 --> 00:01:28,188 They have their fingers             everywhere, every country,    36 00:01:28,254 --> 00:01:29,456    it's never ending.            37 00:01:37,330 --> 00:01:42,435    Most people are completely    swamped by the American          38 00:01:42,502 --> 00:01:45,472  mythology of organized crime.   39 00:01:45,538 --> 00:01:48,374    The reasons for the mob's       success are clear,             40 00:01:48,441 --> 00:01:51,845   organization and discipline,     vows of secrecy and loyalty,   41 00:01:51,911 --> 00:01:55,415  insulation of its leaders from    direct criminal involvement.   42 00:01:55,482 --> 00:01:57,650 It's a very nasty world,          very violent.                   43 00:02:01,321 --> 00:02:04,457   There's not only Sicilians,     there are those from Calabria,  44 00:02:04,524 --> 00:02:08,294 the southern part of Italy, the  Calabrese called the 'Ndrangheta 45 00:02:44,364 --> 00:02:48,601    The 'Ndrangheta basically     morphed from something in Italy, 46 00:02:48,668 --> 00:02:50,537    to the new world.             47 00:02:50,603 --> 00:02:53,206 It's a very different situation  here in Canada.                  48 00:02:56,276 --> 00:03:01,281 Remo Commisso runs the Commisso     clan in Toronto, Canada.      49 00:03:01,347 --> 00:03:03,783 If you wanted to draw a picture    of a mafia leader,             50 00:03:03,850 --> 00:03:05,185 he would be it.                  51 00:03:10,390 --> 00:03:13,159 They're organized crime,           murder incorporated.           52 00:03:13,226 --> 00:03:15,762  They kill people and get away      with it.                      53 00:03:15,828 --> 00:03:19,899 The Commisso were new Canadians     who were more aggressive.     54 00:03:19,966 --> 00:03:25,338   There was a lot of money in     getting people shot or scared   55 00:03:25,405 --> 00:03:26,773   or blown up.                   56 00:03:28,374 --> 00:03:30,343   [explosion]                    57 00:04:04,510 --> 00:04:06,846 I've known violence all my life. 58 00:04:09,882 --> 00:04:14,387 Ever since grade school,           was in kindergarten            59 00:04:14,454 --> 00:04:17,390 Fighting, fighting and fighting,  never stopped.                  60 00:04:20,426 --> 00:04:22,528 My name is Cecil Kirby.          61 00:04:22,595 --> 00:04:25,865 I worked as an enforcer           for the Commisso crime family   62 00:04:25,932 --> 00:04:29,836    from 1975 to 1981.            63 00:04:29,902 --> 00:04:31,871    Their reputation was very       well-known.                    64 00:04:37,010 --> 00:04:39,879    You have to think of Remo       and Cosimo as a unit really.   65 00:04:43,516 --> 00:04:45,418    If you put a dartboard up       on the wall                    66 00:04:45,485 --> 00:04:47,920  and each square was a certain      particular crime,             67 00:04:47,987 --> 00:04:49,889  just keep throwing darts at it  68 00:04:49,922 --> 00:04:52,692   and if they could make money     on it, they did it.            69 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:55,461    All the Commissos,             Cosimo, Remo, Michael,          70 00:04:55,528 --> 00:04:57,964 were all born in Calabria Italy. 71 00:04:58,031 --> 00:05:00,366 They left Italy to come             to Canada                     72 00:05:00,433 --> 00:05:02,268   where they wouldn't               get assassinated              73 00:05:02,302 --> 00:05:03,803   because there was a vendetta      and a family feud             74 00:05:03,870 --> 00:05:06,372 with another mafia family there. 75 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:09,475    And I believe their father       was killed because of it.     76 00:05:09,542 --> 00:05:12,445   Remo got into international       drug trafficking.             77 00:05:12,512 --> 00:05:16,049  He quickly became the brains     of the Commisso crime family.   78 00:05:16,115 --> 00:05:19,285  Any report that I ever           got on the Commissos,           79 00:05:19,352 --> 00:05:21,921    Remo was always identified     as the leader.                  80 00:05:21,988 --> 00:05:26,426   He is the boss of that clan.     There's nobody else.           81 00:05:26,492 --> 00:05:28,461    I think I described it as        the guy that could put on     82 00:05:28,528 --> 00:05:30,063  a hundred dollars Walmart suit  83 00:05:30,129 --> 00:05:31,964  and looked like it was             an Armani.                    84 00:05:32,031 --> 00:05:33,933    Always dressed to the max.    85 00:05:33,966 --> 00:05:36,569 If you wanted to draw a picture    of a mafia leader,             86 00:05:36,636 --> 00:05:38,671 he would be it.                  87 00:05:38,705 --> 00:05:44,510   Cosimo, his brother is what       you would call the maid.      88 00:05:44,577 --> 00:05:47,046 He'll do all the street             cleaning.                     89 00:05:47,113 --> 00:05:51,317   If Remo tells him something       that this guy needs to go     90 00:05:51,384 --> 00:05:54,854  or this needs to be delivered,  he does the dirty work.          91 00:05:57,256 --> 00:05:59,559  They were doing a distribution   and making counterfeit money.   92 00:05:59,625 --> 00:06:02,895    They were doing extortion        and then they branched out    93 00:06:02,962 --> 00:06:08,701  into contract hits and getting    people shot                    94 00:06:08,768 --> 00:06:11,003  or scared or blown up.          95 00:06:13,072 --> 00:06:16,008    He would rely on the likes       of a Cecil Kirby,             96 00:06:16,075 --> 00:06:19,445   it was Cosimo dealing with       Cecil to do the dirty work.    97 00:06:19,512 --> 00:06:21,814 He's not going to do it.         98 00:06:21,848 --> 00:06:25,618 He gets the instructions on what  to do and he goes and does it.  99 00:06:30,123 --> 00:06:33,960 I was introduced to them         in 1975.                         100 00:06:35,328 --> 00:06:36,996  A friend of mine took me over    to the Casa Commisso            101 00:06:37,063 --> 00:06:39,399    on Lawrence Avenue               and introduced me             102 00:06:39,465 --> 00:06:41,601   to Cosimo and Remo Commisso.   103 00:06:44,737 --> 00:06:46,172    And they explained to me,     104 00:06:46,205 --> 00:06:48,541   we need you to do some work    for us.                          105 00:06:48,608 --> 00:06:51,811   Just collections, enforcing,   106 00:06:51,878 --> 00:06:55,681   beating people up...             and killing people.            107 00:06:57,417 --> 00:06:58,951   I said, yeah, I got              nothing else to do.            108 00:06:59,018 --> 00:07:00,420  Might as well.                  109 00:07:02,121 --> 00:07:04,791 Cecil Kirby had quite a             reputation as an enforcer.    110 00:07:04,857 --> 00:07:07,693  He had no conscience,             no empathy.                    111 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,798 He loved the science of beating   up people and he knew exactly   112 00:07:11,864 --> 00:07:15,635   how to break a leg to make      sure he could hear the crack.   113 00:07:15,701 --> 00:07:18,471 Trust was the number one thing.  114 00:07:18,538 --> 00:07:20,440   They had to trust me           115 00:07:20,506 --> 00:07:22,742  and they knew                      from my reputation            116 00:07:22,775 --> 00:07:24,177  and other people that knew me    that were friends of theirs,    117 00:07:24,243 --> 00:07:26,045   that they knew they            could trust me.                  118 00:07:33,085 --> 00:07:35,455  It was a wild period,             the '70's.                     119 00:07:36,689 --> 00:07:38,891 Paul Volpe was the closest thing    to a mafia Don in Toronto     120 00:07:38,958 --> 00:07:40,993   at the time.                   121 00:07:41,060 --> 00:07:43,830  Volpe was expanding in             the construction industry.    122 00:07:43,896 --> 00:07:47,400 Paul Volpe was a really            commanding figure.             123 00:08:00,213 --> 00:08:03,583  Volpe was known to be tied in    with organized crime            124 00:08:03,649 --> 00:08:05,184  in the United States.           125 00:08:05,251 --> 00:08:07,053    Had his own organization.     126 00:08:22,168 --> 00:08:27,139 Paul Volpe came from a non-mafia  family, didn't speak Italian.   127 00:08:27,206 --> 00:08:31,711 He was born in Toronto,          made these friends in the mafia  128 00:08:31,777 --> 00:08:34,013   families in New York              and Vito DeFillipo            129 00:08:34,046 --> 00:08:37,517  was one of his partners, one     of the Bonanno family people.   130 00:08:39,285 --> 00:08:43,689  But Paul Volpe had done what a   lot of them do over the years.  131 00:08:43,756 --> 00:08:46,192   He'd gotten slightly             respectable.                   132 00:08:46,259 --> 00:08:50,263   He lived in a very suburban      area where lawyers, doctors,   133 00:08:50,329 --> 00:08:52,031   and dentists would live in.    134 00:08:53,666 --> 00:08:58,037   He had just bought this huge   estate called Fox Hill.          135 00:08:58,104 --> 00:09:00,706   Volpe means fox in English.    136 00:09:00,773 --> 00:09:02,775  He was involved in the           construction industry.          137 00:09:02,842 --> 00:09:04,210  He was getting bribes.          138 00:09:04,243 --> 00:09:06,045 He was involved                     in Atlantic City.             139 00:09:06,112 --> 00:09:08,748 He was involved in many          land deals in Toronto.           140 00:09:10,616 --> 00:09:13,519 The Commissos were the new kids   on the block.                   141 00:09:13,586 --> 00:09:18,891   They had none of the veneer    that Volpe had.                  142 00:09:18,958 --> 00:09:22,828 The Commissos were new Canadians    who were more aggressive.     143 00:09:24,830 --> 00:09:28,267 Commissos were expanding            in the criminal underworld    144 00:09:28,334 --> 00:09:32,071  and then they decided to kill     Paul Volpe.                    145 00:09:59,932 --> 00:10:07,940  My name is Charlie Yanover and   I'm the last of the Volpe mob.  146 00:10:13,779 --> 00:10:15,815  I've been charged with             everything from conspiracy    147 00:10:15,881 --> 00:10:18,751 to murder to possession             of drugs.                     148 00:10:18,818 --> 00:10:20,786   I was in middle management.    149 00:10:20,820 --> 00:10:25,024   We'd say in Godfather terms,   I would've been a capo.          150 00:10:25,091 --> 00:10:27,159   I had my own people.           151 00:10:27,226 --> 00:10:29,028   We did things for the boss.    152 00:10:30,696 --> 00:10:32,298 I'm trying to make it as simple     as I can                      153 00:10:32,365 --> 00:10:34,800  to make you understand          154 00:10:34,834 --> 00:10:38,638 because everybody's preconceived   with this godfather bullshit   155 00:10:38,704 --> 00:10:43,275 and we were just a crew          that went out and make a living. 156 00:10:46,112 --> 00:10:48,080 Chucky Yanover,                  157 00:10:48,114 --> 00:10:50,282  he grew up in an upper middle    class Jewish family.            158 00:10:50,349 --> 00:10:51,984    He had everything.            159 00:10:52,018 --> 00:10:54,053   He didn't have to be             an organized crime.            160 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,822  He just wanted some excitement    in his life.                   161 00:11:00,192 --> 00:11:02,094   That was the heyday.           162 00:11:02,128 --> 00:11:05,698    We made money, drove fancy     cars, had nice women.           163 00:11:05,765 --> 00:11:07,900  Paul looked after all              the gambling in the city.     164 00:11:10,069 --> 00:11:12,571   We had our lone shark office     on Spadina.                    165 00:11:14,306 --> 00:11:16,542  There was lots of heat around.  166 00:11:16,575 --> 00:11:20,646 The coppers were on us all the   time, had 24-hour surveillance.  167 00:11:20,713 --> 00:11:22,314 It was a six to five operation.  168 00:11:22,381 --> 00:11:24,250 They put money out in the street 169 00:11:24,316 --> 00:11:26,419   and they expect to get paid      every week,                    170 00:11:26,485 --> 00:11:28,354  at least the interest            on the money,                   171 00:11:28,421 --> 00:11:30,723   which was 20 percent a week.   172 00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:32,425   If you have to borrow money       that way,                     173 00:11:32,458 --> 00:11:34,894   it's very difficult to make     the payments                    174 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:40,132   and people like Chuck would      go out and threaten coerce.    175 00:11:40,199 --> 00:11:44,370   We went and collected money     for services rendered           176 00:11:44,437 --> 00:11:45,671 or not rendered.                 177 00:11:48,274 --> 00:11:49,809   Mostly not rendered.           178 00:11:55,247 --> 00:11:57,850  Toronto was a wide open city.   179 00:11:57,917 --> 00:12:01,954    Usually an organized crime      faction takes its territory,   180 00:12:02,021 --> 00:12:04,256   but what you had in Toronto    was Paul Volpe                   181 00:12:04,323 --> 00:12:06,225    did what he wanted to do.     182 00:12:06,292 --> 00:12:09,028    The Commissos did             what they wanted to do.          183 00:12:09,095 --> 00:12:12,364   It was pretty loose,           but then things                  184 00:12:12,431 --> 00:12:15,801    start to rock and roll and    people say, well, wait a minute, 185 00:12:15,868 --> 00:12:17,737   maybe this is my territory.    186 00:12:29,315 --> 00:12:34,120    Cecil Kirby, he's               a creature of habit,           187 00:12:34,186 --> 00:12:36,021   didn't look like a gangster    at all.                          188 00:12:36,055 --> 00:12:39,959    He was short, maybe about     5'7", 5' 8", red hair.           189 00:12:40,025 --> 00:12:41,994    If you look into his eyes.    190 00:12:42,061 --> 00:12:44,296 Dead. Dead eyes.                 191 00:12:44,363 --> 00:12:46,866    The eyes of a psychopathic    killer.                          192 00:12:46,932 --> 00:12:50,269 Cecil Kirby was hired by            the Commissos in the '70's    193 00:12:50,336 --> 00:12:52,104    to essentially be a thug.     194 00:12:52,171 --> 00:12:53,873    He was a street enforcer.     195 00:12:53,906 --> 00:12:55,407 If the Commissos were in a feud   with someone                    196 00:12:55,474 --> 00:12:57,042   or someone owed them money,    197 00:12:57,109 --> 00:12:59,178 they sent out their guy,           Cecil Kirby.                   198 00:12:59,245 --> 00:13:01,413  I knew when I started working     for 'em, I thought,            199 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,250  how long could I last             before they try and kill me?   200 00:13:11,090 --> 00:13:13,793   First bombing I did               was a pop truck,              201 00:13:13,859 --> 00:13:15,895    blew the back off                the pickup truck.             202 00:13:15,961 --> 00:13:18,831  Cosimo, he was just overjoyed   with that one.                   203 00:13:18,898 --> 00:13:20,332   He just loved that.            204 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:22,501  He says, just keep up           the good work.                   205 00:13:22,568 --> 00:13:26,138   So next bombing was              King's Cross Estate            206 00:13:26,205 --> 00:13:29,141    where I put two sticks of        dynamite in the mailbox...    207 00:13:29,208 --> 00:13:31,076   [explosion]                    208 00:13:32,111 --> 00:13:33,979   That went over good.           209 00:13:34,046 --> 00:13:37,817    Next bombing was Hamilton,       John Ryan.                    210 00:13:37,883 --> 00:13:39,318    There was a Camaro            there one night                  211 00:13:39,351 --> 00:13:40,786  and I put four sticks             of dynamite                    212 00:13:40,853 --> 00:13:42,354 on top of the rear tire.         213 00:13:42,388 --> 00:13:45,891 Lit It.                          Took off and I heard it go off.  214 00:13:45,958 --> 00:13:47,860   [explosion]                    215 00:13:47,893 --> 00:13:49,295 Sounded like two freight trains     hitting together,             216 00:13:49,361 --> 00:13:51,997   ripped the back of that car      to pieces.                     217 00:13:55,334 --> 00:13:58,504  Dennis Mason,                      Cosimo wanted him killed.     218 00:13:58,571 --> 00:14:02,074   He was supposedly a witness    against one of Cosimo's friends. 219 00:14:03,876 --> 00:14:06,445  I put three sticks of dynamite    in his car,                    220 00:14:06,512 --> 00:14:08,214 wired to the wiper fuse.         221 00:14:10,182 --> 00:14:11,750   [explosion]                    222 00:14:11,784 --> 00:14:14,086   I heard the next day              the bomb went off,            223 00:14:14,153 --> 00:14:16,422    but it just smoked             the inside of the car.          224 00:14:16,488 --> 00:14:18,057  Bad, dynamite.                  225 00:14:18,123 --> 00:14:20,192    Lucky kid.                    226 00:14:20,259 --> 00:14:24,263  That I heard later on           from the police, that wrong guy, 227 00:14:24,330 --> 00:14:26,832  this is not the right            Dennis Mason.                   228 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,036 I think about a quarter          of them were mistaken.           229 00:14:31,103 --> 00:14:33,305    They got the wrong person.    230 00:14:33,372 --> 00:14:35,341   He did occasionally             get the right person.           231 00:14:37,076 --> 00:14:38,477    And then there was             the Chinese restaurant          232 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:41,046   out Elizabeth Street            in Chinatown.                   233 00:14:41,747 --> 00:14:43,916 The owner owed a gambling debt.  234 00:14:45,751 --> 00:14:48,187 Now that was 100 sticks             of dynamite in two cases.     235 00:14:58,097 --> 00:15:01,300    I went in the restaurant,      ordered a meal to go,           236 00:15:05,004 --> 00:15:07,539  went in the bathroom,             lifted up the ceiling tiles    237 00:15:07,606 --> 00:15:09,909 and put those two cases             in there.                     238 00:15:11,277 --> 00:15:13,212 I was told that nobody             would be in that restaurant    239 00:15:13,245 --> 00:15:17,449  and I phoned it at 1:00 in the   morning, never got an answer.   240 00:15:17,516 --> 00:15:20,019  [phone rings]                   241 00:15:20,686 --> 00:15:22,988   [explosion]                    242 00:15:24,723 --> 00:15:27,293    I was awakened by             this horrible explosion.         243 00:15:27,359 --> 00:15:30,195   It sounded as if it happened      right in the hotel            244 00:15:30,262 --> 00:15:33,232 and I thought probably the whole   hotel was blowing up           245 00:15:33,299 --> 00:15:35,000  or something.                   246 00:15:35,034 --> 00:15:37,303  The explosion started             in the back kitchen            247 00:15:37,369 --> 00:15:41,006 and it followed a shaft over to  the north side of the building   248 00:15:41,073 --> 00:15:42,608 and went up and through           the washroom                    249 00:15:42,675 --> 00:15:44,910   and it was quite extensive.    250 00:15:47,012 --> 00:15:49,448   The bomb went off and blew     the owner across the restaurant  251 00:15:49,515 --> 00:15:51,116   and killed the cook.           252 00:15:52,651 --> 00:15:54,386 That was the worst thing           right there.                   253 00:15:55,421 --> 00:15:56,989   Innocent bystander.            254 00:15:59,291 --> 00:16:02,261 They blew up the cars of people     they didn't like.             255 00:16:02,328 --> 00:16:04,964  There were bombings under beds     in hotels.                    256 00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:07,967   There were bombings             at businesses                   257 00:16:08,033 --> 00:16:11,370  not paying the extortion fees      they were supposed to pay     258 00:16:11,437 --> 00:16:15,140  or there was a grudge against   somebody just to send a message. 259 00:16:15,207 --> 00:16:16,575   Don't mess with us.            260 00:16:18,177 --> 00:16:19,678  Next bombing.                   261 00:16:19,712 --> 00:16:21,213    Well, I met Cosimo               and he said to me,            262 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,516   his wife and her mother were      at this restaurant            263 00:16:24,583 --> 00:16:26,485    called Napoleon's             264 00:16:26,552 --> 00:16:28,387 and he says they threw them out    of the restaurant.             265 00:16:28,454 --> 00:16:30,389  They told him to leave            and get the hell out           266 00:16:30,456 --> 00:16:32,257   and he says, I need             some revenge.                   267 00:16:35,327 --> 00:16:38,130    Read about it the next day    in a newspaper,                  268 00:16:38,197 --> 00:16:41,667 the wrought iron bars that were   on the outside of the window,   269 00:16:41,734 --> 00:16:44,103  one went right through             the window                    270 00:16:44,136 --> 00:16:46,005   and missed the one woman by      about a foot with her head.    271 00:16:46,071 --> 00:16:47,673    Almost took her head off.     272 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:49,641 They got cut with a lot             of glass.                     273 00:16:49,708 --> 00:16:52,544 They were hurt,                     but they survived.            274 00:16:52,611 --> 00:16:54,580 Cosimo, I talked to him             about it.                     275 00:16:54,613 --> 00:16:56,448  I told him, I said, understand    that people got hurt           276 00:16:56,515 --> 00:16:58,150  and he says, so what?           277 00:16:58,217 --> 00:17:00,185 He says, we got                     the point across.             278 00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:03,155    You just didn't bad mouth      these people                    279 00:17:03,222 --> 00:17:04,590    because they were violent.    280 00:17:04,623 --> 00:17:07,259  They take their status             sincerely.                    281 00:17:18,537 --> 00:17:20,406  Cosimo was a ballroom dancer,   282 00:17:20,472 --> 00:17:23,075   professional ballroom dancer    of all things.                  283 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:27,112 That sort of shocked me.         284 00:17:27,179 --> 00:17:29,181  That's where he met his wife.   285 00:17:31,583 --> 00:17:33,786 Cecil Kirby had a great job with  the Commissos for a few years,  286 00:17:33,852 --> 00:17:36,789    blowing up cars,                frightening people,            287 00:17:36,855 --> 00:17:40,125   but they never paid              him his full salary.           288 00:17:40,192 --> 00:17:43,462   He was offered $500,              he would get $200.            289 00:17:43,529 --> 00:17:46,698  He was offered $2000,              he would get $500             290 00:17:46,765 --> 00:17:50,602   and even for hits, he wasn't    paid the full amount.           291 00:17:52,504 --> 00:17:56,108    It's like they always had        to owe me money,              292 00:17:56,175 --> 00:18:00,379    sort of like keeping me on      the hook, keeping me around.   293 00:18:00,446 --> 00:18:03,715    Always owe somebody money.      Don't ever pay them in full.   294 00:18:06,618 --> 00:18:09,721    The Commissos, they never        knew anything but the mob.    295 00:18:09,788 --> 00:18:13,425 I know a lot of sons and            grandsons of mafia people,    296 00:18:13,492 --> 00:18:16,462   particularly if they're from     a name Mafia family            297 00:18:16,528 --> 00:18:21,667   like the Commissos,            they almost don't have a choice  298 00:18:21,733 --> 00:18:25,571   and if they decide not to be     in the mob, it's very hard.    299 00:18:25,571 --> 00:18:25,637   and if they decide not to be     in the mob, it's very hard.    300 00:18:33,745 --> 00:18:38,250  I was born into a mafia family   that came from Italy.           301 00:18:40,486 --> 00:18:42,588  I would always say like Jesus,  302 00:18:42,654 --> 00:18:45,257  my father's got a lot             of friends.                    303 00:18:45,324 --> 00:18:48,093    Wow, that's nice.               They give him money.           304 00:18:50,162 --> 00:18:53,298   My father bought a Cadillac    once and he said to me,          305 00:18:53,365 --> 00:18:55,334  when you grow up, you can have   one of these.                   306 00:18:55,400 --> 00:19:00,706    If you do the right thing,      I could get you in,            307 00:19:00,772 --> 00:19:03,442   but you have to prove to me     who you are.                    308 00:19:06,445 --> 00:19:11,183 Downstairs at the Casa Commisso   there was the cellar.           309 00:19:11,250 --> 00:19:16,421   You go downstairs and there      was five superior main men.    310 00:19:17,890 --> 00:19:19,525   They make a circle.            311 00:19:19,558 --> 00:19:21,560   You go in the middle            of the circle.                  312 00:19:21,627 --> 00:19:26,331    Once they fold their arms,       the first main guy speaks     313 00:19:26,398 --> 00:19:29,434  and you'll have a little card    in your hand.                   314 00:19:29,501 --> 00:19:31,870 The second guy starts speaking.  315 00:19:31,937 --> 00:19:35,374 Then they burn the card           in your hand                    316 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,444    and they tell you the way      this card is burning,           317 00:19:39,511 --> 00:19:42,147 so shall you and your body burn  318 00:19:42,214 --> 00:19:47,686 if you ever, ever betray            this organization.            319 00:19:47,753 --> 00:19:54,726    They say (speaks Italian).    320 00:19:54,793 --> 00:19:57,829  That means we hand you            a loaded gun                   321 00:19:57,896 --> 00:20:02,634   in your left hand and in the    right hand you have the world.  322 00:20:02,701 --> 00:20:06,772   If they say to you, you got      to go hit this guy,            323 00:20:06,838 --> 00:20:08,740    well, that's what               the gun represents.            324 00:20:08,807 --> 00:20:10,776  You're going to do it.          325 00:20:10,842 --> 00:20:16,215    The world means to behave,      to never betray us.            326 00:20:16,281 --> 00:20:20,285 Whatever you do for us,           you shut your mouth,            327 00:20:20,352 --> 00:20:24,823 take your lumps, whatever it is,   you take it.                   328 00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:27,426 You never betray                    this organization.            329 00:20:33,298 --> 00:20:35,601  When people came into           the city, they would go          330 00:20:35,634 --> 00:20:39,238  to the Casa Commisso, let the    Commissos know we're in town.   331 00:20:39,304 --> 00:20:44,843 It was like going to the Vatican  and paying homage to the Pope.  332 00:20:46,678 --> 00:20:49,514  They're coming in to kiss the   ring and not cause any problems. 333 00:20:51,783 --> 00:20:53,752    The Casa Commisso,             walk in the front door          334 00:20:53,819 --> 00:20:55,988    and off to the right side     335 00:20:56,021 --> 00:20:58,257   there's about four or five     tables there and they're always  336 00:20:58,323 --> 00:21:02,794  playing cards or some             Italian game at that table.    337 00:21:02,861 --> 00:21:05,697 I'd always go in the back door,    not the front door             338 00:21:05,764 --> 00:21:09,301  because the RCMP or metro cops  were always watching it.         339 00:21:09,368 --> 00:21:11,837   The cook inside the kitchen     would open up the door for me   340 00:21:11,903 --> 00:21:14,940  and let me in and she'd always    make me something to eat too   341 00:21:15,007 --> 00:21:16,975    while I was there.            342 00:21:17,042 --> 00:21:19,478 The cops said to me years later,  we never, ever                  343 00:21:19,544 --> 00:21:21,780    got a picture of you going    into this place.                 344 00:21:21,813 --> 00:21:24,716   I said, well, next time you    want to watch the back door too. 345 00:21:26,351 --> 00:21:30,422 We had a dedicated surveillance  team that was called Special O,  346 00:21:30,489 --> 00:21:35,560  and Special O would do a lot     of the work on the day-to-day   347 00:21:35,627 --> 00:21:38,563 surveillance of                     the Casa Commisso.            348 00:21:40,332 --> 00:21:41,967 They would have                  Italian weddings there.          349 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,902  They would have stags              for the weddings.             350 00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:48,440  So it would be a who's who of   the local mafia                  351 00:21:48,507 --> 00:21:50,008   showing up to these things.    352 00:21:50,042 --> 00:21:51,877  So it was valuable information  for us.                          353 00:21:54,946 --> 00:21:57,516 One of the ripest target            situations                    354 00:21:57,582 --> 00:22:00,619   that you could come up with      was a mob funeral.             355 00:22:00,686 --> 00:22:02,654 All the mobsters would be there. 356 00:22:02,688 --> 00:22:04,423  They would all be pallbearers   or walking in and out.           357 00:22:04,489 --> 00:22:05,857   Great surveillance footage.    358 00:22:07,693 --> 00:22:09,995  To do surveillance, you needed  this beaten up old van,          359 00:22:10,062 --> 00:22:11,863   which you would slap           a sign on saying                 360 00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:14,366  so and so's gardening service   361 00:22:14,433 --> 00:22:18,070 or Ontario Hydro, and you would     drive the van up              362 00:22:18,136 --> 00:22:21,006   and there would be a two-way   window in there,                 363 00:22:21,073 --> 00:22:23,375    and you'd have a cameraman    inside.                          364 00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:26,578  Martin Burke had a reputation   365 00:22:26,645 --> 00:22:28,547    as a gung-ho investigative       reporter.                     366 00:22:28,613 --> 00:22:30,248  He'd been in Vietnam.           367 00:22:30,282 --> 00:22:31,817 And you have to remember            back in the '70's             368 00:22:31,883 --> 00:22:33,785 when we were doing this,         369 00:22:33,819 --> 00:22:35,454 there were only a couple            of channels on television.    370 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,857   So when connections             was on in June of '77,          371 00:22:38,924 --> 00:22:41,693    everyone stopped what they       were doing and watched it.    372 00:22:45,163 --> 00:22:48,033   There was this series called    Connections that CBC had aired  373 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:52,337   back in the '70's and it was     the most unbelievable exposé   374 00:22:52,404 --> 00:22:54,373   of organized crime.            375 00:22:54,406 --> 00:22:57,008 Even still to this day             when I watch it I'm in awe,    376 00:22:57,075 --> 00:23:00,078    I can't believe the balls        that these journalists had    377 00:23:00,145 --> 00:23:02,914    to go after these mobsters       like this.                    378 00:23:02,981 --> 00:23:05,817 To put together                   undercover scenarios,           379 00:23:05,884 --> 00:23:08,653 the techniques they used which   at the time were revolutionary.  380 00:23:10,922 --> 00:23:12,991  There was no footage            of any of these people.          381 00:23:13,058 --> 00:23:14,693  If you're doing a film          about politics,                  382 00:23:14,726 --> 00:23:16,828 you can always get tons             of footage there.             383 00:23:16,862 --> 00:23:19,064    If you're doing film about    sports, there's tons of footage. 384 00:23:19,131 --> 00:23:21,733  This, there was zero footage,   385 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,835   so we had to create            our own footage                  386 00:23:26,571 --> 00:23:28,306    And it was pretty             dramatic stuff.                  387 00:23:34,212 --> 00:23:37,649  We had Johnny Papalia saying,   I'll eat your eyes out           388 00:23:37,716 --> 00:23:40,652    you motherfucking,               cocksucking prick,            389 00:23:40,719 --> 00:23:44,623   and we had Volpe explaining     how he would,                   390 00:23:44,689 --> 00:23:45,957    you can only kill             a stool pigeon,                  391 00:23:46,024 --> 00:23:48,560 can't leave them alive.          392 00:23:48,627 --> 00:23:50,929  They had stool pigeons            all over the world,            393 00:23:50,996 --> 00:23:55,500 and the minute the stool pigeon  gets killed, someone kills them, 394 00:23:55,567 --> 00:23:57,803    which to me is rightly so.    395 00:23:57,836 --> 00:23:59,571  You got to kill them, you got     to get them out of the way.    396 00:23:59,638 --> 00:24:02,474  Anybody's an informer,            only looking to hurt people.   397 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:07,412 One day we had heard that there  was some big meeting happening   398 00:24:07,479 --> 00:24:10,916   and it would happen             at the Casa Commisso.           399 00:24:10,982 --> 00:24:13,618    Our thing was we would go        up there                      400 00:24:13,685 --> 00:24:15,120    and we would park                with all the cars             401 00:24:15,187 --> 00:24:16,755  in front of the Casa Commisso   402 00:24:16,788 --> 00:24:19,624    and see if anybody             came and went.                  403 00:24:19,691 --> 00:24:22,194    So we did that, but there      was a little problem.           404 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:23,728   There were no cars.            405 00:24:23,795 --> 00:24:25,564  It was the middle of the week   406 00:24:25,597 --> 00:24:27,432  and like 2:00 in the afternoon   or something,                   407 00:24:27,499 --> 00:24:29,868 and we stuck out                    like a sore thumb.            408 00:24:31,703 --> 00:24:37,876   And so I get out of the van    and I go into the Casa Commisso, 409 00:24:37,943 --> 00:24:41,880    open the door, and it was      an opening of a door            410 00:24:41,947 --> 00:24:44,115 right into a major meeting hall  411 00:24:45,283 --> 00:24:48,186 And Martin Burke, our director,  went to interview Remo.          412 00:24:48,253 --> 00:24:50,555  He asked for him at the door.   413 00:24:50,622 --> 00:24:52,858 The trick was to get him to stay at the door long enough.         414 00:24:52,891 --> 00:24:56,461   We had our cameraman in the    parking lot of the Casa Commisso 415 00:24:56,528 --> 00:24:59,564    shooting this, and he was      wearing a hidden mic.           416 00:24:59,631 --> 00:25:02,200 There was no vestibule,          there was no other door.         417 00:25:02,267 --> 00:25:04,202 You just opened the door            and there you were            418 00:25:04,269 --> 00:25:05,837   right in the middle.           419 00:25:05,871 --> 00:25:07,105 And there was a meeting             going on.                     420 00:25:08,573 --> 00:25:09,875   Remo was at the head             of the table                   421 00:25:09,941 --> 00:25:12,177 commanding all these other guys, 422 00:25:12,244 --> 00:25:14,679  and I looked around the table   and recognized                   423 00:25:14,746 --> 00:25:18,783  several of the faces               from surveillance footage     424 00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:22,220    that we had gotten               from various cops.            425 00:25:22,287 --> 00:25:25,724    I realized I had blundered     right into the meeting          426 00:25:25,790 --> 00:25:28,860   that was rumored to happen,    427 00:25:28,927 --> 00:25:31,062 which was not a very smart thing  to do.                          428 00:25:32,664 --> 00:25:34,633 He said, are you Remo Commisso?  429 00:25:34,666 --> 00:25:37,068  And he said, who wants to know    who Remo Commisso -            430 00:25:37,135 --> 00:25:39,437   you know the usual.            431 00:25:39,471 --> 00:25:41,273  And they had this banter, but    he kept it going for a while.   432 00:25:41,339 --> 00:25:45,243 Then finally Remo said,           get in here.                    433 00:25:45,310 --> 00:25:48,613   And he said, mmhmm,            I'm not going in there.          434 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,050   So he decided to get out of      there as fast as he could.     435 00:25:52,117 --> 00:25:56,721   Remo was indignant, furious,   racing after me                  436 00:25:56,788 --> 00:26:00,225    out into the parking lot      and I quietly backpedalled out.  437 00:26:00,292 --> 00:26:03,595 And he's really yelling,          he's really indignant           438 00:26:03,662 --> 00:26:05,730    and you didn't know where      that was going to go.           439 00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:10,669   The van was sitting there in   the middle of a huge parking lot 440 00:26:10,735 --> 00:26:12,637  and I could not get back to it     without attracting            441 00:26:12,704 --> 00:26:14,172   enormous attention.            442 00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:16,608  [phone rings]                   443 00:26:16,675 --> 00:26:18,510  I got the call                  444 00:26:18,543 --> 00:26:19,844   and he was worried               because he had left Francis    445 00:26:19,911 --> 00:26:23,014  the intrepid cameraman            in the parking lot.            446 00:26:23,081 --> 00:26:27,185 So he said to me, get the cops.  447 00:26:27,252 --> 00:26:30,889   And a couple of police cars      escorted me back to the van.   448 00:26:30,956 --> 00:26:33,925  We were very lucky to be able      to get back to that van.      449 00:26:33,992 --> 00:26:36,795    And they'd never realized       that they were being filmed    450 00:26:36,861 --> 00:26:40,565 until they saw it on television,  on June, 1977.                  451 00:26:41,833 --> 00:26:43,802  Remo Commisso has established   452 00:26:43,835 --> 00:26:46,571 contacts with organized           criminals across the country.   453 00:26:46,638 --> 00:26:49,274 He now operates from the            Casa Commisso banquet hall    454 00:26:49,341 --> 00:26:51,776   on Lawrence Avenue.            455 00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:54,646   A location often frequented    by those with criminal records.  456 00:27:01,152 --> 00:27:03,054  In 1979 when they had             the Connection show            457 00:27:03,088 --> 00:27:08,727    and they outed me              as a gangster, things changed.  458 00:27:08,793 --> 00:27:13,932 And that was from my good friend  Jim Dubro who wrote the book.   459 00:27:13,999 --> 00:27:17,235 There are other less fashionable addresses in Paul Volpe's life,  460 00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:21,106 such as suite 201 on the second  floor of a dingy office building 461 00:27:21,172 --> 00:27:23,475  at College and Spadina            in Toronto.                    462 00:27:23,508 --> 00:27:27,078 According to police, Volpe, his  brother Frank and Nate Clagerman 463 00:27:27,145 --> 00:27:30,682    operate huge loan sharking     operations from this location.  464 00:27:33,084 --> 00:27:34,719   We were in the real               estate business.              465 00:27:34,786 --> 00:27:36,621 We had all the buildings            down at Parliament            466 00:27:36,688 --> 00:27:37,922    and King and Queen Street.    467 00:27:37,989 --> 00:27:39,691 They owned the city TV building  468 00:27:39,758 --> 00:27:42,360  and all the warehouses            in Berkeley Street.            469 00:27:42,427 --> 00:27:44,863   And the night after              the Connection show,           470 00:27:44,896 --> 00:27:50,402  the banks called all our loans    and cost us a $100 million.    471 00:27:50,468 --> 00:27:51,636  So...                           472 00:27:53,738 --> 00:27:57,242    -[barking]                      - You guys behave yourself.     In the garage.                  473 00:27:59,544 --> 00:28:03,081 The cops used to come in and tap your phones and wire your houses 474 00:28:03,148 --> 00:28:04,783   whenever they could.           475 00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:06,818    Just, you had to be alert.    You don't talk.                  476 00:28:06,851 --> 00:28:09,688  You have to know what             you're doing 24 hours a day.   477 00:28:23,768 --> 00:28:27,072    We were posted to Toronto      drug section.                   478 00:28:27,138 --> 00:28:29,841    We were on what they call     the international team,          479 00:28:29,908 --> 00:28:31,876   international squad.           480 00:28:31,910 --> 00:28:35,046 Primarily what we did was pursue   heroin prosecutions.           481 00:28:35,113 --> 00:28:38,683    Heroin was fondly referred     to as the mounty drug.          482 00:28:40,985 --> 00:28:42,887  We all started working             the street                    483 00:28:42,954 --> 00:28:45,290  and working our way up            to different levels.           484 00:28:46,591 --> 00:28:50,128 Ounce dealers, half-pound deal,    that type of thing.            485 00:28:50,195 --> 00:28:53,164  The heroin would come             in various methods,            486 00:28:53,231 --> 00:28:55,467  but mostly it was body packed.  487 00:28:55,533 --> 00:28:58,369   There was a constant flow of   Italians back and forth          488 00:28:58,436 --> 00:29:00,405 between here and Italy.          489 00:29:00,438 --> 00:29:04,142   Two 747s arriving every day,   Alitalia and Air Canada.         490 00:29:04,209 --> 00:29:06,144    So at 4:00 every afternoon    491 00:29:06,211 --> 00:29:09,914  you would have 800-900           Italian folks                   492 00:29:09,981 --> 00:29:12,751 arriving at the airport            in Toronto                     493 00:29:12,817 --> 00:29:15,787 and some of them were bad guys.  494 00:29:19,991 --> 00:29:23,762 So we started a dialogue           with the Italian authorities   495 00:29:23,828 --> 00:29:25,864    and inch by inch,             496 00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:28,299   we worked our way up           into these organizations         497 00:29:28,366 --> 00:29:30,769  and we followed every instinct     we could.                     498 00:29:30,835 --> 00:29:32,937    But it was like you know,      baking a cake right?            499 00:29:32,971 --> 00:29:36,741    You had to be prepared to       sit there and watch it cook.   500 00:29:36,808 --> 00:29:40,678 And the conspiracies developing    took weeks, months.            501 00:29:42,614 --> 00:29:47,118    The idea was making money     how fast and how much.           502 00:29:47,185 --> 00:29:49,287   So the way it works             is you've got                   503 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,990 the people on the street level,     the mafia, the soldiers,      504 00:29:52,056 --> 00:29:54,292   they're the ones committing      the crime.                     505 00:29:54,325 --> 00:29:56,995   Whatever crime they commit,    however they generate the money, 506 00:29:57,061 --> 00:29:58,763   part of that money,            it's bubbled up                  507 00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:01,299  to their immediate supervisor,    so to speak.                   508 00:30:01,366 --> 00:30:05,170    Then it goes up the chain        and eventually it ends up     509 00:30:05,236 --> 00:30:07,806   in Cosimo and Remo's hands.    510 00:30:09,541 --> 00:30:11,776 It's almost like I guess            a pyramid scheme.             511 00:30:12,944 --> 00:30:16,548 We were certainly satisfied that we knew who was behind it all,   512 00:30:16,614 --> 00:30:18,783  but convicting him was           no easy task.                   513 00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:21,786   We got a significant number     of these guys                   514 00:30:21,853 --> 00:30:24,422   both here and in Vancouver.    515 00:30:24,489 --> 00:30:26,558 We had a guy from Italy,            came over,                    516 00:30:26,624 --> 00:30:29,794 did a deal with us right          in a hotel in Toronto.          517 00:30:29,861 --> 00:30:31,462  It was almost a kilo.           518 00:30:31,529 --> 00:30:34,732  It was 94 or 96 percent pure.   519 00:30:37,202 --> 00:30:38,436  We charged 30 people.           520 00:30:38,469 --> 00:30:40,138  We convicted every one          of them,                         521 00:30:40,205 --> 00:30:43,007   which is really rare           with Commissos.                  522 00:30:43,074 --> 00:30:45,043 The reality is they're the focus 523 00:30:45,109 --> 00:30:47,812    and boy, would it be nice      to charge these guys,           524 00:30:47,879 --> 00:30:49,948 but sometimes it works,           sometimes it doesn't.           525 00:30:50,014 --> 00:30:51,883  As they say, sometimes             you get the bear,             526 00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:52,984   sometimes the bear gets you.   527 00:30:55,053 --> 00:30:57,989   The bosses rarely, if ever,      touched the drugs,             528 00:30:58,056 --> 00:30:59,691  and unfortunately in our case,  529 00:30:59,724 --> 00:31:02,126    that was specifically what    happened to us.                  530 00:31:02,193 --> 00:31:03,695    They just never went near        the stuff                     531 00:31:03,728 --> 00:31:05,496 and we never had enough          to charge them.                  532 00:31:12,337 --> 00:31:14,305  If you don't have informants,   533 00:31:14,339 --> 00:31:15,907  you're not going to last very    long doing this job.            534 00:31:19,444 --> 00:31:21,412    Around '78 or '79,            535 00:31:21,446 --> 00:31:23,414   a meeting I had with Cosimo     at the Casa Commisso,           536 00:31:23,481 --> 00:31:25,717  he said to me,                  537 00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:30,221   I need this Italian mob boss    in Italy killed, Momo Piromali  538 00:31:30,288 --> 00:31:32,590   Italian courts were looking    into his wealth                  539 00:31:32,657 --> 00:31:34,559    and his mafia activities.     540 00:31:39,998 --> 00:31:42,867 They made international           headlines when they kidnapped   541 00:31:42,934 --> 00:31:45,036   John Paul Getty III,           542 00:31:45,069 --> 00:31:48,973    the nephew of American Oil      billionaire John Paul Getty.   543 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:54,545  They cut off his ear in order    to get $3.2 million in ransom.  544 00:31:58,549 --> 00:32:01,286  He said, they'll fly me there,  pay for all my expenses,         545 00:32:01,352 --> 00:32:03,121   and he said, somebody there     will take me                    546 00:32:03,187 --> 00:32:05,323 and show me where the guy lives. 547 00:32:05,390 --> 00:32:07,592 And after that,                     it's in my hands.             548 00:32:09,193 --> 00:32:12,096  It made me suspicious.          549 00:32:12,163 --> 00:32:13,932  I'm a Irish guy, not,              I'm not Italian.              550 00:32:13,998 --> 00:32:15,900  I can't speak Italian.          551 00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:17,502  I said, I'm going to stand out     everywhere I'm at.            552 00:32:17,568 --> 00:32:19,370   Good place to get rid of me,      in Italy.                     553 00:32:19,437 --> 00:32:22,073   Dig a go hole on the ground,   bury me.                         554 00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:24,208  That's the end of it, period.   555 00:32:25,576 --> 00:32:27,445   I said, no, it ain't           going to happen.                 556 00:32:27,512 --> 00:32:29,948   I know for a fact I would've   never came back.                 557 00:32:32,283 --> 00:32:35,086 I would've killed him and one of    Cossimmo's men over there     558 00:32:35,153 --> 00:32:36,521   would've killed me.            559 00:32:39,090 --> 00:32:42,193  It's the first time I actually   refused and I thought,          560 00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:44,929    well, I just have to keep        my wits about me              561 00:32:44,996 --> 00:32:47,532 when I'm dealing                    with these people.            562 00:32:47,598 --> 00:32:49,634  I knew what I started working      for 'em.                      563 00:32:49,667 --> 00:32:52,337 I thought, how long could I last working for these guys?          564 00:32:52,403 --> 00:32:55,039  Because the reputation            with the mob guy is            565 00:32:55,106 --> 00:32:58,176  they only last                    three to five years,           566 00:32:58,242 --> 00:33:00,712   and this was getting close      to the end of the fifth year,   567 00:33:00,778 --> 00:33:04,549 and I thought, where am I going  to have to go,                   568 00:33:04,615 --> 00:33:07,018    where am I going to retire      to get away from these guys.   569 00:33:08,953 --> 00:33:12,290   Being a enforcer, a hit man,      you know too much.            570 00:33:12,357 --> 00:33:13,958 Sooner or later, there's         a bullet for you                 571 00:33:14,025 --> 00:33:16,327 right around the corner.         572 00:33:16,361 --> 00:33:20,098  Cecil reached the stage where    he realizes and rightfully so,  573 00:33:20,164 --> 00:33:21,966    he knows too much.            574 00:33:22,033 --> 00:33:24,969   I mean it's history,           it's everywhere.                 575 00:33:25,036 --> 00:33:26,537 It happened in New York            with Gotti                     576 00:33:26,571 --> 00:33:28,639 when his right-hand man           turned on him                   577 00:33:28,706 --> 00:33:30,942 because he knew his days          were numbered.                  578 00:33:31,976 --> 00:33:34,579 Cecil, he's nothing to            the Commissos, he knows that.   579 00:33:34,645 --> 00:33:37,015   They could drop him               on a dime                     580 00:33:37,081 --> 00:33:39,684  and there'll be another Cecil      Kirby come along.             581 00:33:39,751 --> 00:33:43,121  And people like that,             they come forward.             582 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,337   Well, like I took about two      weeks to think about this.     583 00:34:09,447 --> 00:34:12,316  At the time I was up on some    criminal charges and I thought,  584 00:34:12,383 --> 00:34:14,685  well, let's see what I can do      with the charges,             585 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,122  because sometimes you give an   offer to the cops, you can walk. 586 00:34:20,425 --> 00:34:24,062  So I phoned the RCMP and CIS.   587 00:34:24,128 --> 00:34:26,364 I said to them, I said,          I got some information           588 00:34:26,431 --> 00:34:28,666 that you guys might want          to know about.                  589 00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:32,403 The guy who answered the phone   there was Corporal Mark Murphy.  590 00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:34,572  Kirby said he had to meet him   in half an hour                  591 00:34:34,605 --> 00:34:37,341   to find out everything about      organized crime in Toronto    592 00:34:37,408 --> 00:34:39,010 from the inside.                 593 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,750  I said, why don't you meet me    at Casa Loma?                   594 00:34:45,817 --> 00:34:50,588   So the RCMP corporal           showed up there.                 595 00:34:50,655 --> 00:34:52,690  I'm in the car talking to him      and I said, look,             596 00:34:52,723 --> 00:34:55,693    I got some information on        members of organized crime    597 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,129   if we can do a deal.           598 00:34:58,196 --> 00:35:00,331 So I gave him some names          and he just sat there           599 00:35:00,398 --> 00:35:02,633  just sort of silently           600 00:35:02,667 --> 00:35:07,805 like bells going off in his head   and I said, think about it,    601 00:35:07,872 --> 00:35:11,175  but I'm not just going to hand  these guys over to you.          602 00:35:11,242 --> 00:35:15,680   He was really hot in a trot      to get these guys arrested.    603 00:35:15,746 --> 00:35:19,283  He wanted me to become          police informant                 604 00:35:19,350 --> 00:35:22,286  and I was taking my time about   it, really thinking about it.   605 00:35:24,388 --> 00:35:28,426  It's a real difference             between a police informant    606 00:35:28,493 --> 00:35:30,394  and the police agent.           607 00:35:30,461 --> 00:35:32,296  Police informant just             gives information,             608 00:35:32,363 --> 00:35:34,732   may or may not ever testify.   609 00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:39,270    An agent actually goes out     and does stuff for the police.  610 00:35:40,738 --> 00:35:42,540    And I said, I want             your assurance                  611 00:35:42,573 --> 00:35:45,343   you're not going to burn me    or stab me in the back.          612 00:35:45,409 --> 00:35:47,778   Me trusting the RCMP           hundred percent?                 613 00:35:47,845 --> 00:35:49,814 That will never happen.          614 00:35:49,847 --> 00:35:53,651   Becoming a police informant,   not a good thing to do.          615 00:35:53,718 --> 00:35:55,386    Should I have just            walked outside,                  616 00:35:55,453 --> 00:35:57,155 shot myself in the head?         617 00:35:57,221 --> 00:35:58,689 Maybe so, but I didn't.          618 00:36:01,893 --> 00:36:04,529  Over the years, the number of    attempts that have been made    619 00:36:04,595 --> 00:36:06,731  to try to get close to           the Commisso family...          620 00:36:06,797 --> 00:36:09,600    First of all, the best way      to get there                   621 00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:11,702    is to infiltrate,             and believe me,                  622 00:36:11,769 --> 00:36:15,840    policemen have been trying       for decades to infiltrate,    623 00:36:15,907 --> 00:36:19,243  but nothing has been that good     in Canada                     624 00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:21,312  and that close                     to what Cecil did.            625 00:36:25,650 --> 00:36:27,885  It's a tremendous risk           because first of all,           626 00:36:27,919 --> 00:36:34,292 he's crossed Cosimo and that's   bad because that gets reflected  627 00:36:34,358 --> 00:36:36,928 throughout the organized         crime community.                 628 00:36:36,994 --> 00:36:41,199 And so we decided that we would     give him immunity             629 00:36:41,265 --> 00:36:45,870  and then the case was how now      do we get corroboration?      630 00:36:45,937 --> 00:36:48,906  And not only that, but             the level of corroboration    631 00:36:48,973 --> 00:36:53,177   had to be extremely high...    like a wiretap.                  632 00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:02,220 After I got the immunity            agreement, I was wired up.    633 00:37:02,286 --> 00:37:04,455 My car was all wired up            for sound.                     634 00:37:06,357 --> 00:37:09,360  Cosimo, one day he says to me,  I can trust you.                 635 00:37:09,427 --> 00:37:10,995  I said, yeah.                   636 00:37:11,028 --> 00:37:12,830    I said, I've been               with you this long.            637 00:37:12,863 --> 00:37:15,700 I said, I'm still here.          I said, sure, you can trust me.  638 00:37:15,766 --> 00:37:18,336    I said, you shouldn't even     bring that up.                  639 00:37:18,402 --> 00:37:22,206 The next, they say, we want you  to kill Peter Scarcella          640 00:37:22,273 --> 00:37:23,474 and Paul Volpe.                  641 00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:27,378    I said, well, here we go.     642 00:37:29,547 --> 00:37:32,750    Paul had obviously stepped      on somebody's toes.            643 00:37:32,817 --> 00:37:34,952  I know that there was            some dislike                    644 00:37:35,019 --> 00:37:37,488  between the Commissos and him   645 00:37:37,555 --> 00:37:39,757  where they would never          have taken the original contract 646 00:37:39,824 --> 00:37:42,059   to kill him.                   647 00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:43,694 You just don't go out and murder   another member of a family.    648 00:37:43,728 --> 00:37:47,765 You go to obviously the Don and  whoever the Don is at the time   649 00:37:47,832 --> 00:37:49,233 that you're answering to         650 00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:50,868 is going to make                  that decision                   651 00:37:50,901 --> 00:37:52,870   and give you the permission       to do it.                     652 00:37:52,937 --> 00:37:56,874  He was then asked to do a more   important hit                   653 00:37:56,941 --> 00:38:00,711 and that was the leading         associate of Paul Volpe          654 00:38:00,778 --> 00:38:02,613  named Peter Scarcella.          655 00:38:05,516 --> 00:38:07,618 Cosimo drove me around.          656 00:38:07,652 --> 00:38:10,254   He showed me where Scarcella      lived off of Jane Street.     657 00:38:10,321 --> 00:38:12,290    Then he said to me, do you    know where Volpe lives?          658 00:38:12,356 --> 00:38:14,125  And I said, yes, I do.          659 00:38:14,158 --> 00:38:15,493  I know exactly where he lives,  up in Nobleton.                  660 00:38:17,828 --> 00:38:21,766 The RCMP wanted me to get Cosimo   and Remo and Michael on tape   661 00:38:21,832 --> 00:38:24,935  with the conversation             about conspiracy to murder.    662 00:38:26,437 --> 00:38:28,005  There was a series of meetings  663 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,042 between Cosimo Commisso             and Cecil Kirby.              664 00:38:31,108 --> 00:38:33,744  Initially, it was going to be     Scarcella and Volpe            665 00:38:33,811 --> 00:38:35,379   were to be whacked.            666 00:38:37,715 --> 00:38:39,884 The meetings just kept happening   and happening and happening,   667 00:38:39,950 --> 00:38:41,585 and the RCMP said to me,         668 00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:43,821  some of the recordings             aren't that great.            669 00:38:43,888 --> 00:38:46,791    You got to get 'em to stay      in your car.                   670 00:38:46,857 --> 00:38:48,959    I said, that's going to be      a challenge.                   671 00:38:50,394 --> 00:38:54,265  So, I bandaged my foot all up     with elastic tape.             672 00:38:56,367 --> 00:38:59,970    I met Cosimo at the Howard     Johnson hotel.                  673 00:39:00,037 --> 00:39:02,440  I said to him, I hurt my ankle   jogging the other day.          674 00:39:02,506 --> 00:39:04,709 I said, I can't walk that good.  675 00:39:04,775 --> 00:39:06,577 And he says, we're going           to talk in your car?           676 00:39:06,644 --> 00:39:07,878  I said, yeah.                   677 00:39:07,912 --> 00:39:09,213 I said, you know as well          as me,                          678 00:39:09,246 --> 00:39:10,481 I know the guy that does            all the debugging.            679 00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:11,782 I said, this car's been checked  a lot of times.                  680 00:39:14,452 --> 00:39:17,922  He got inside my car,           my Shiv Caprice Classic.         681 00:39:17,988 --> 00:39:20,391 I said, so it's safe to talk in. 682 00:39:20,458 --> 00:39:22,560 So that's how I got him          to talk                          683 00:39:22,626 --> 00:39:24,929  and he says, hold off             on Peter Scarcella.            684 00:39:24,995 --> 00:39:26,497 Don't kill him.                     He's on our side.             685 00:39:26,564 --> 00:39:27,798    I said, oh, okay.             686 00:39:27,832 --> 00:39:29,433 He's not with Paul Volpe         anymore?                         687 00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:31,502   He says, well, he's working      for us now.                    688 00:39:33,637 --> 00:39:36,707  The police thought they could    maybe just grab Volpe           689 00:39:36,774 --> 00:39:39,577  and have him disappear             for a bit,                    690 00:39:39,643 --> 00:39:42,880 and then the assumption           would be he was dead.           691 00:39:42,947 --> 00:39:45,716   We told them that that would     amount to kidnapping           692 00:39:45,783 --> 00:39:47,518 under the Criminal Code.         693 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,089 Howard Morton said, no,           we can't kidnap him.            694 00:39:52,156 --> 00:39:54,658   So someone else, I think it      may have been Murphy, said,    695 00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:57,695    why don't we just ask him      if he would like to cooperate?  696 00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:01,832   That was the RCMP Corporal,      that was his idea.             697 00:40:01,899 --> 00:40:05,536  Take him into custody, get his  wallet, fake his death,          698 00:40:05,603 --> 00:40:07,571  and I had to have that wallet   699 00:40:07,605 --> 00:40:11,409  for absolutely good,            strong proof that I killed him.  700 00:40:13,811 --> 00:40:18,749 Murphy and another metro Toronto  police officer who Volpe knew,  701 00:40:18,816 --> 00:40:22,586  went up there and said, look,     Commissos want to kill you.    702 00:40:22,653 --> 00:40:24,889    They've hired this hit man      to kill you,                   703 00:40:24,955 --> 00:40:27,425  and we want to pretend          that you've been killed.         704 00:40:27,491 --> 00:40:29,693  Could you give us your wallet      and said,                     705 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,763  we better bring your wife too.  706 00:40:32,830 --> 00:40:37,401 CFSU takes them into custody and  takes him to the RCMP station   707 00:40:37,468 --> 00:40:39,470  incommunicado to make            'em look like                   708 00:40:39,537 --> 00:40:41,505   they've fallen off the face     of the earth.                   709 00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:44,175  He immediately handed           over his wallet                  710 00:40:44,208 --> 00:40:46,343  without even checking             what was in there.             711 00:40:48,212 --> 00:40:50,047 Paul was upset.                  712 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,149    In fact, he almost had big     elephant tears                  713 00:40:52,183 --> 00:40:54,752   because it was one of these    like, who would want to kill me? 714 00:40:57,555 --> 00:41:00,191 The whole drama of the moment is that Cecil Kirby had to go back  715 00:41:00,257 --> 00:41:02,993    to Remo and Cosimo            with a body pack                 716 00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:05,896    so that they could             incriminate themselves          717 00:41:05,963 --> 00:41:07,998    and they had to do it fast    718 00:41:08,032 --> 00:41:09,800 because they couldn't keep Volpe  and his wife for days           719 00:41:09,867 --> 00:41:11,569  at RCMP headquarters.           720 00:41:11,602 --> 00:41:13,771    They could only keep them        for a day or so.              721 00:41:13,838 --> 00:41:15,806 The corporal gave me the wallet. 722 00:41:17,107 --> 00:41:18,809   I drove over to Remo              Commisso's house.             723 00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:24,782    [knocking]                    724 00:41:24,849 --> 00:41:27,151  Knocked on the door, went in.   725 00:41:27,218 --> 00:41:29,753  I said, I got to talk to you.   726 00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:32,623   So we went downstairs to the     basement, into the bathroom.   727 00:41:34,925 --> 00:41:37,895  Remo put on the cold water tap  728 00:41:37,962 --> 00:41:40,798   in case the place is bugged    or anybody's listening.          729 00:41:40,865 --> 00:41:44,668 He was always suspicious           and on guard for everything.   730 00:41:44,735 --> 00:41:46,370    He says, what's going on?     731 00:41:46,403 --> 00:41:47,872   I said, I handed him             Paul Volpe's wallet.           732 00:41:47,938 --> 00:41:50,808   I said, Paul Volpe is dead.    733 00:41:50,875 --> 00:41:52,743  I said, Cosimo told me            to kill him.                   734 00:41:52,810 --> 00:41:54,378    He's dead.                    735 00:41:54,411 --> 00:41:55,679    I need some money               to get out of town.            736 00:41:57,681 --> 00:42:00,484 The cops were listening             to the whole conversation     737 00:42:00,551 --> 00:42:02,786 and they had an enforcement team 738 00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:05,890  just down the street waiting     in case something did happen.   739 00:42:05,956 --> 00:42:07,958    I was a little concerned       because the hair on my chest,   740 00:42:08,025 --> 00:42:10,027    the tape kept falling off.    741 00:42:12,897 --> 00:42:14,532   There was a sound of water.    742 00:42:14,565 --> 00:42:17,835    We thought it was a shower    being turned on.                 743 00:42:17,902 --> 00:42:21,572  In one of the Godfather movies   one of the characters           744 00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:23,908    in the movie does exactly     the same thing,                  745 00:42:23,974 --> 00:42:28,879   turns the shower on to try     and muffle a possible wire tap.  746 00:42:30,881 --> 00:42:32,783    Remo was furious.              You don't bring me his wallet.  747 00:42:32,850 --> 00:42:34,218  Why didn't you get rid of it?   748 00:42:36,387 --> 00:42:38,956  He says, take that wallet and    throw it down a sewer drain.    749 00:42:39,023 --> 00:42:41,258 The most traumatic part            was showing                    750 00:42:41,292 --> 00:42:46,030  that wallet to Remo Commisso     in the basement of his house,   751 00:42:46,096 --> 00:42:48,599    face to face with               a homicidal killer.            752 00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:52,202   And I thought, is this where      they're going to kill me?     753 00:42:52,269 --> 00:42:53,938  But finally, he admits           that he knows                   754 00:42:54,004 --> 00:42:55,306 that they were supposed           to be killed.                   755 00:42:55,372 --> 00:42:57,074   That's the important thing.    756 00:42:57,107 --> 00:42:59,109 So he implicates himself         in the hit plot.                 757 00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:02,780  It was solid evidence.          758 00:43:02,813 --> 00:43:05,516 You couldn't get better           corroboration than a wiretap.   759 00:43:06,917 --> 00:43:08,586 I said, I want to fly to Florida 760 00:43:08,652 --> 00:43:10,621    and get away from             here right now.                  761 00:43:10,688 --> 00:43:13,057 He said, okay.                     He says, Mike will meet you    762 00:43:13,123 --> 00:43:16,226 out at Howard Johnson's          at about 4:00.                   763 00:43:16,293 --> 00:43:17,895  He'd give you some money then.  764 00:43:20,931 --> 00:43:22,232    And that's what happened.     765 00:43:24,068 --> 00:43:25,769  Michael met me there,           766 00:43:25,803 --> 00:43:28,706 I think it was 500 bucks           or something stupid,           767 00:43:28,772 --> 00:43:31,075 and he left and he only           went down the highway           768 00:43:31,108 --> 00:43:34,678  maybe three miles, and police    surrounded him, arrested him.   769 00:43:34,745 --> 00:43:38,649   I was given the instruction      then to arrest Remo Commisso   770 00:43:38,716 --> 00:43:41,018  and bring him to the station.   771 00:43:41,085 --> 00:43:44,121    We walked up to the door,      knocked on the door,            772 00:43:44,188 --> 00:43:45,923    identified myself.            773 00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:49,226    He invited us in.                He was very calm.             774 00:43:49,293 --> 00:43:51,261  Somebody's coming in to arrest     you for conspiracy            775 00:43:51,328 --> 00:43:53,364    to commit murder.             776 00:43:53,397 --> 00:43:55,799  Most people would be a little    bit shaken and upset.           777 00:43:55,866 --> 00:43:58,002    I never saw that in Remo.     778 00:43:58,068 --> 00:44:00,704 I said to Remo, you're             under arrest for conspiracy    779 00:44:00,771 --> 00:44:02,940    to commit murder.             780 00:44:02,973 --> 00:44:05,676   He would've been able to put     that together very quickly.    781 00:44:05,743 --> 00:44:07,611   He knows that Cecil               was just there showing him    782 00:44:07,678 --> 00:44:09,179  Paul's identification.          783 00:44:09,246 --> 00:44:12,616  He knows right then that Cecil  is a rat                         784 00:44:12,683 --> 00:44:15,953   and he's been done.               So better he say nothing.     785 00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:17,921    I mean, if he turns around       and says,                     786 00:44:17,955 --> 00:44:20,257   well, that dirty rat Kirby,      that's a statement.            787 00:44:20,324 --> 00:44:23,627 I mean, that becomes something.     He said, nothing.             788 00:44:24,795 --> 00:44:26,630   It was a very simple arrest.   789 00:44:26,697 --> 00:44:30,801   It was, you're under arrest      Remo, come to the station.     790 00:44:33,203 --> 00:44:36,073 They were charged with the plot  to kill Paul Volpe and his wife, 791 00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:38,676   and even Scarcella.            792 00:44:38,742 --> 00:44:42,813 They're charged with a number of  bombings and assaults           793 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,616    that Kirby did for               enforcement work.             794 00:44:47,351 --> 00:44:49,420  Cecil Kirby committed a number     of crimes                     795 00:44:49,486 --> 00:44:51,388   on behalf of the Commissos.    796 00:44:51,455 --> 00:44:55,993  He clearly was capable            of extreme violence.           797 00:44:56,060 --> 00:45:00,431 It may seem strange to say this,   but despite his background,    798 00:45:00,497 --> 00:45:02,833 I found him believable.          799 00:45:04,368 --> 00:45:07,404 I testified against Remo           and Cosimo.                    800 00:45:07,471 --> 00:45:10,841  Cosimo wasn't too bad.           He just stared at me.           801 00:45:10,908 --> 00:45:13,177    With Remo, he gave me some       pretty mean looks             802 00:45:13,243 --> 00:45:15,279    like, oh, I'd just               love to kill you.             803 00:45:17,481 --> 00:45:19,783   If you're testifying, you're      going to be cross-examined    804 00:45:19,850 --> 00:45:22,352    on your associates               and what you know,            805 00:45:22,419 --> 00:45:25,222   and even if you give              the right answers,            806 00:45:25,289 --> 00:45:30,327   the fact is you've divulged       all of this information,      807 00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:33,630  and this is a secret society.   You don't talk.                  808 00:45:37,034 --> 00:45:42,406    Silence,                       and that's tradition.           809 00:45:42,473 --> 00:45:45,008   They had two really             good lawyers,                   810 00:45:45,075 --> 00:45:48,812 Bob Carter and Eddie Greenspan.  811 00:45:48,879 --> 00:45:52,449  And if those guys thought that    they could beat the charges,   812 00:45:52,516 --> 00:45:55,085   they would not have             plead guilty.                   813 00:45:55,152 --> 00:45:59,923    They didn't even fight it.     They pled out.                  814 00:45:59,990 --> 00:46:01,792  Their lawyer, Eddie Greenspan   815 00:46:01,859 --> 00:46:04,228  had to say in the end            that he really thought          816 00:46:04,294 --> 00:46:07,197   that Cecil Kirby was one of      the best witnesses             817 00:46:07,264 --> 00:46:12,102  that he had ever seen              in terms of an informant.     818 00:46:12,169 --> 00:46:13,937 He's pretty courageous.          819 00:46:14,004 --> 00:46:16,840  He really hates rats,            and he became a rat.            820 00:46:18,509 --> 00:46:21,011   They made a mistake.           821 00:46:21,044 --> 00:46:24,815  Kirby's not the brightest tack   in the box, the sharpest tack,  822 00:46:24,882 --> 00:46:30,888   but he was good for             what he was used for.           823 00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:36,226 But they turned on him,            he turned on them,             824 00:46:36,293 --> 00:46:38,195  and then that's the way it is.  825 00:46:43,333 --> 00:46:45,235    Four Toronto men,             826 00:46:45,269 --> 00:46:47,037 three of them members of            an organized crime family,    827 00:46:47,104 --> 00:46:50,040   pleaded guilty to conspiring    to kill Volpe.                  828 00:46:50,107 --> 00:46:53,043 A $20,000 contract had              been put out on his life,     829 00:46:53,110 --> 00:46:55,179    but the reason was            never disclosed.                 830 00:47:05,556 --> 00:47:08,258    It was necessary.                It had to happen.             831 00:47:08,325 --> 00:47:10,627    I had no remorse about it.    832 00:47:10,661 --> 00:47:15,399  It was the only option I could  see of an outcome with me living 833 00:47:15,465 --> 00:47:17,901   and not dying at their hand.   834 00:47:20,037 --> 00:47:24,241   Remo and Cosimo pled guilty      to all the crimes.             835 00:47:24,308 --> 00:47:28,045    They got about eight years       in jail, which isn't much,    836 00:47:28,111 --> 00:47:31,582 and that puts the end of           one chapter of their career.   837 00:47:31,648 --> 00:47:35,018 Cecil Kirby had to, after that,  live in hiding                   838 00:47:35,085 --> 00:47:40,357 because he put some of the most   feared mafia in jail,           839 00:47:40,424 --> 00:47:43,827  and of course they were going    to kill him.                    840 00:47:43,894 --> 00:47:46,196  But he said he was a dead man.  He could live with that.         841 00:47:46,263 --> 00:47:49,433  He thought he'd be a dead man     either way,                    842 00:47:49,499 --> 00:47:53,604   whether he stayed with the      Commissos or whether he left.   843 00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:57,841    What is the word on you in     the criminal world in Toronto?  844 00:47:57,908 --> 00:47:59,877  What do they think about you?   845 00:47:59,943 --> 00:48:01,478    What do they think of me?      They think I'm dead.            846 00:48:01,545 --> 00:48:03,380  They think-- they know          they'd kill me.                  847 00:48:03,413 --> 00:48:06,183  They all think they'd kill me      sooner or later.              848 00:48:06,250 --> 00:48:08,218    They believe the Commissos      will get me sooner or later.   849 00:48:08,285 --> 00:48:09,586   Is there a contract on you?    850 00:48:09,653 --> 00:48:11,154  Yes, there is.                  851 00:48:11,221 --> 00:48:12,456   For how much money?            852 00:48:12,522 --> 00:48:14,324  For $250,000.                   853 00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:18,929  I found out about the contract     on my head                    854 00:48:18,996 --> 00:48:23,267 from Sergeant Lyle McCharles of  the Ontario Provincial Police.   855 00:48:23,333 --> 00:48:26,336 He told me, and he swore            to this in court,             856 00:48:26,403 --> 00:48:30,007  that there was a bounty for me  of first it was 50,000.          857 00:48:30,073 --> 00:48:33,076  Then it was a 100,000,           then 200,000.                   858 00:48:33,143 --> 00:48:36,146    This contract at one point      was close to                   859 00:48:36,213 --> 00:48:38,649  about half a million dollars.   860 00:48:38,715 --> 00:48:40,384 I thought, boy,                    that's pretty high.            861 00:48:40,450 --> 00:48:42,486  It's getting up there.          862 00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:45,055  It's like winning the lottery,   but no winner so far.           863 00:48:47,057 --> 00:48:50,594   And who'd want to be the guy     to try and kill me?            864 00:48:52,329 --> 00:48:54,331 You think I'm not going          to fight back?                   865 00:48:54,364 --> 00:48:57,935  I'm not going to shoot back?    You're damn right I'm going to.  866 00:48:58,001 --> 00:49:01,171 So if you're coming to kill me,   be prepared to die yourself.    867 00:49:02,172 --> 00:49:04,207  I don't hide.                   868 00:49:04,241 --> 00:49:06,310    I just keep a low profile        except for this interview.    869 00:49:06,376 --> 00:49:10,247  I've never been afraid            of anything                    870 00:49:10,314 --> 00:49:12,482    and I couldn't give a damn       what happens to Commissos.    871 00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:14,618 Hopefully they'll die before me. 872 00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:18,422  I don't know why the Commissos  873 00:49:18,488 --> 00:49:21,024  wanted to have                   anything done to Paul.          874 00:49:21,091 --> 00:49:24,594 There may have been some           other infringements            875 00:49:24,661 --> 00:49:29,299   on their territories             or our territories.            876 00:49:29,366 --> 00:49:32,502  There's always this animosity    between Italian mob families    877 00:49:32,569 --> 00:49:35,706 that some other family's         want them dead.                  878 00:49:35,772 --> 00:49:38,075    And Volpe,                    879 00:49:38,108 --> 00:49:41,111    he was more popular than      the Commissos were at the time.  880 00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:45,549    Over the years, Paul made        a lot of enemies.             881 00:49:45,615 --> 00:49:47,617   Where do you start looking?    882 00:49:47,684 --> 00:49:50,721   I only have my own thoughts    and suspicions,                  883 00:49:50,787 --> 00:49:54,124  was acting like that lone wolf    and wasn't sharing.            884 00:49:54,191 --> 00:49:56,093    Paul didn't care.             885 00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,228   Paul wasn't worried            about anybody.                   886 00:49:58,295 --> 00:50:00,397  Some of the 'Ndrangheta people  other than the Commissos         887 00:50:00,464 --> 00:50:03,600    who were out in the street     resent him on a tape.           888 00:50:03,667 --> 00:50:07,371  I know one cop told me          that they heard                  889 00:50:07,437 --> 00:50:10,574   an 'Ndrangheta boss saying,     why are they giving the money   890 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,542    to construction companies,       to Volpe?                     891 00:50:12,609 --> 00:50:14,144 He doesn't do anything.          892 00:50:14,211 --> 00:50:15,545    Why don't we just get rid     of him?                          893 00:50:16,713 --> 00:50:20,550  Volpe was so hot-headed that    he'd made many, many enemies.    894 00:50:20,617 --> 00:50:26,423    Volpe was already feuding      with members of the new mafia   895 00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:28,725    in Canada,                    896 00:50:28,759 --> 00:50:31,395   and the story on the street    was he had double-crossed them.  897 00:50:35,766 --> 00:50:37,734  [phone rings]                   898 00:50:37,801 --> 00:50:41,104 My office called Monday morning  899 00:50:41,171 --> 00:50:44,674 and said that Paul Volpe            had been reported missing.    900 00:50:46,176 --> 00:50:49,146    On a Sunday he kissed his       wife goodbye in the morning,   901 00:50:49,212 --> 00:50:52,783 said he was having lunch          with his assistant, Scarcella,  902 00:50:52,849 --> 00:50:55,152    and then he was going off     to a meeting with some           903 00:50:55,218 --> 00:50:57,187   unidentified people            at the airport.                  904 00:50:58,655 --> 00:51:01,024   The last he was seen alive,    905 00:51:01,091 --> 00:51:05,128  he was at a coffee shop called  La Seine in Woodbridge.          906 00:51:05,195 --> 00:51:07,464   He was with Peter Scarcella.   907 00:51:07,531 --> 00:51:12,536 My understanding is that a short   time later, not a long time,   908 00:51:12,602 --> 00:51:16,606   his vehicle ends up parked       in the airport parking lot.    909 00:51:16,673 --> 00:51:20,110    They traced his car to the       Terminal 2 in the airport,    910 00:51:20,177 --> 00:51:23,747 blood was on the fender,          they opened the trunk.          911 00:51:27,717 --> 00:51:30,387 And found that he'd been         shot twice in the head,          912 00:51:30,454 --> 00:51:33,190    and the hit team got away     913 00:51:33,256 --> 00:51:35,425    The police plan to release    a photograph of the car          914 00:51:35,492 --> 00:51:37,661 in which Volpe's body was found. 915 00:51:37,694 --> 00:51:40,197   They're hoping someone might     have seen the late model BMW   916 00:51:40,263 --> 00:51:42,699  between Sunday morning           when he left his home           917 00:51:42,766 --> 00:51:45,368  and Monday afternoon            when he was found dead.          918 00:51:45,435 --> 00:51:46,636   It certainly has all             the earmarks                   919 00:51:46,703 --> 00:51:48,572 of a very professional killing.  920 00:51:50,874 --> 00:51:53,677 What happened to Paul could have   happened from Atlantic City.   921 00:51:53,743 --> 00:51:57,214   It could have happened from     any number of different areas.  922 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,282  I don't know.                   923 00:51:59,349 --> 00:52:01,051  Nor do I want to know.          924 00:52:01,751 --> 00:52:03,019   The police are still             looking for                    925 00:52:03,053 --> 00:52:05,188 Volpe's killers                    at his funeral today           926 00:52:05,255 --> 00:52:08,391    on the street and                in his storefront window,     927 00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:11,394 We were fairly powerful.         928 00:52:11,461 --> 00:52:16,800 But, I don't know, if someone's     got a hit on you,             929 00:52:16,867 --> 00:52:18,368 you're going to get hit.         930 00:52:20,871 --> 00:52:23,840    The last person to see him      alive was Scarcella.           931 00:52:23,907 --> 00:52:27,511   Scarcella was also a target     at one point,                   932 00:52:27,577 --> 00:52:30,714   but then his life was spared   for some reason.                 933 00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:32,749    He had the meeting            with Scarcella,                  934 00:52:32,816 --> 00:52:36,486 who, from everything I've heard,   set him up.                    935 00:52:36,553 --> 00:52:38,688   Scarcella's a nasty            piece of work.                   936 00:52:40,290 --> 00:52:42,125    Every time I hear                Scarcella's name,             937 00:52:42,192 --> 00:52:44,594 all I think of is three things.  938 00:52:44,661 --> 00:52:49,599 A rope, a shovel, and a hole in  the ground that he belongs in.   939 00:52:49,666 --> 00:52:51,768  He's a Judas.                   940 00:52:51,801 --> 00:52:54,838   He stabbed Paul in the back,      and that's why Paul died.     941 00:53:00,944 --> 00:53:02,846  I don't care.                   942 00:53:02,879 --> 00:53:03,847   They're just words,              they can't hurt me.            943 00:53:06,183 --> 00:53:10,854  They could shoot me, kill me,   but not words, nothing.          944 00:53:10,921 --> 00:53:13,423  They are murder incorporated.   Period.                          945 00:53:14,991 --> 00:53:18,695 They don't care who they have to kill or what they have to kill.  946 00:53:21,464 --> 00:53:25,936 There was obviously some dislike  between the Commissos and him   947 00:53:26,002 --> 00:53:28,538  or they would never have taken   the original contract           948 00:53:28,605 --> 00:53:30,173   to kill him,                   949 00:53:30,207 --> 00:53:32,375   but I don't believe               that they did it.             950 00:53:32,442 --> 00:53:34,811  They asked me to kill             Paul Volpe.                    951 00:53:34,878 --> 00:53:37,214   We saved Paul Volpe's life.    952 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,584 Commissos was going to jail for  conspiracy to murder then what,  953 00:53:40,650 --> 00:53:43,620    a year later, Paul's dead?    954 00:53:43,687 --> 00:53:45,188   What a coincidence.            955 00:53:46,957 --> 00:53:48,925 Although while they're in jail,  956 00:53:48,992 --> 00:53:50,827   it's uncertain what            they were doing                  957 00:53:50,894 --> 00:53:52,729  because Volpe                     was actually killed            958 00:53:52,796 --> 00:53:55,198    less than two years later.    959 00:53:55,265 --> 00:53:59,302    And whether the contract       that Remo and Cosimo gave out   960 00:53:59,369 --> 00:54:02,639 was fulfilled then through other    people in the 'Ndrangheta     961 00:54:02,706 --> 00:54:05,408    or others,                      is an open question.           962 00:54:05,475 --> 00:54:08,712 You can easily get people killed  while you're in jail.           963 00:54:08,778 --> 00:54:10,614   And in fact, 40 years later,   964 00:54:10,647 --> 00:54:12,849 no one has been charged           with Volpe's murder.            965 00:54:21,725 --> 00:54:23,960  Commissos emerged from prison.  966 00:54:23,994 --> 00:54:28,865   They were much more low key,    far more sophisticated crimes,  967 00:54:28,932 --> 00:54:31,668    money laundering,                real estate fraud.            968 00:54:33,937 --> 00:54:36,873  They would certainly be a lot     more careful about anybody     969 00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:40,043    they dealt with outside of      their own community.           970 00:54:40,110 --> 00:54:42,045    Now you got to see            that Cecil Kirby                 971 00:54:42,112 --> 00:54:44,047   was not in their community,    972 00:54:44,114 --> 00:54:45,482    but they're going               to be a lot smarter            973 00:54:45,548 --> 00:54:47,417 before that ever happens again.  974 00:55:03,633 --> 00:55:06,936  All organized crime,            they need facilitators.          975 00:55:07,003 --> 00:55:10,340    Joe Ferraro was a Commisso    family associate                 976 00:55:10,407 --> 00:55:12,042    who was operating             out of Toronto.                  977 00:55:12,108 --> 00:55:13,843 His nickname was Joey Limousine. 978 00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:15,912    Because he ran a limousine    company,                         979 00:55:15,979 --> 00:55:19,316    He was also able               to manipulate things.           980 00:55:19,382 --> 00:55:23,787 He was very boisterous             how he dressed and behaves.    981 00:55:23,853 --> 00:55:26,690 He wasn't afraid                 to make enemies.                 982 00:55:26,756 --> 00:55:29,025   He was also muscle.            983 00:55:29,092 --> 00:55:30,927   He was an enforcer.            984 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,429    He would go around            trying to collect debts.         985 00:55:32,495 --> 00:55:34,197  He's violent.                   986 00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:36,766  He's been known to cut            people's limbs off.            987 00:55:36,833 --> 00:55:38,034 This is a serious dude.          988 00:55:38,101 --> 00:55:40,203   Joe Ferraro,                   989 00:55:40,236 --> 00:55:41,705   in addition to being muscle     for the Italian mob,            990 00:55:41,771 --> 00:55:44,908 is also an alleged drug           trafficker for the 'Ndrangheta  117229

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