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Cosimo Commisso, nice
guy, family man, but...
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if you got on the wrong
side of him, he'd kill you.
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He said to me, you are the only
guy that's ever come
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to my house, met my wife,
met my family.
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I wouldn't let anybody else
in this house
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or even know where I live.
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He says, we trust you.
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If they thought for a second
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they couldn't trust me
they will kill me.
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The mob is what controls
the world.
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Drug Lord is one thing.
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Bikers are another thing...
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but the mob controls
banks, lawyers, policemen,
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money laundering, drugs.
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Worldwide, you're talking
about $80 billion a year.
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It's like an octopus.
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They have their fingers
everywhere, every country,
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it's never ending.
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Most people are completely
swamped by the American
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mythology of organized crime.
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The reasons for the mob's
success are clear,
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organization and discipline,
vows of secrecy and loyalty,
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insulation of its leaders from
direct criminal involvement.
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It's a very nasty world,
very violent.
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There's not only Sicilians,
there are those from Calabria,
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the southern part of Italy, the
Calabrese called the 'Ndrangheta
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The 'Ndrangheta basically
morphed from something in Italy,
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to the new world.
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It's a very different situation
here in Canada.
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Remo Commisso runs the Commisso
clan in Toronto, Canada.
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If you wanted to draw a picture
of a mafia leader,
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he would be it.
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They're organized crime,
murder incorporated.
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They kill people and get away
with it.
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The Commisso were new Canadians
who were more aggressive.
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There was a lot of money in
getting people shot or scared
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or blown up.
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I've known violence all my life.
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Ever since grade school,
was in kindergarten
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Fighting, fighting and fighting,
never stopped.
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My name is Cecil Kirby.
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I worked as an enforcer
for the Commisso crime family
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from 1975 to 1981.
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Their reputation was very
well-known.
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You have to think of Remo
and Cosimo as a unit really.
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If you put a dartboard up
on the wall
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and each square was a certain
particular crime,
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just keep throwing darts at it
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and if they could make money
on it, they did it.
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All the Commissos,
Cosimo, Remo, Michael,
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were all born in Calabria Italy.
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They left Italy to come
to Canada
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where they wouldn't
get assassinated
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because there was a vendetta
and a family feud
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with another mafia family there.
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And I believe their father
was killed because of it.
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Remo got into international
drug trafficking.
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He quickly became the brains
of the Commisso crime family.
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Any report that I ever
got on the Commissos,
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Remo was always identified
as the leader.
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He is the boss of that clan.
There's nobody else.
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I think I described it as
the guy that could put on
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a hundred dollars Walmart suit
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and looked like it was
an Armani.
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Always dressed to the max.
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If you wanted to draw a picture
of a mafia leader,
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he would be it.
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Cosimo, his brother is what
you would call the maid.
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He'll do all the street
cleaning.
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If Remo tells him something
that this guy needs to go
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or this needs to be delivered,
he does the dirty work.
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They were doing a distribution
and making counterfeit money.
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They were doing extortion
and then they branched out
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into contract hits and getting
people shot
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or scared or blown up.
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He would rely on the likes
of a Cecil Kirby,
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it was Cosimo dealing with
Cecil to do the dirty work.
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He's not going to do it.
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He gets the instructions on what
to do and he goes and does it.
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I was introduced to them
in 1975.
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A friend of mine took me over
to the Casa Commisso
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on Lawrence Avenue
and introduced me
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to Cosimo and Remo Commisso.
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And they explained to me,
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we need you to do some work
for us.
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Just collections, enforcing,
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beating people up...
and killing people.
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I said, yeah, I got
nothing else to do.
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Might as well.
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Cecil Kirby had quite a
reputation as an enforcer.
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He had no conscience,
no empathy.
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He loved the science of beating
up people and he knew exactly
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how to break a leg to make
sure he could hear the crack.
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Trust was the number one thing.
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They had to trust me
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and they knew
from my reputation
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and other people that knew me
that were friends of theirs,
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that they knew they
could trust me.
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It was a wild period,
the '70's.
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Paul Volpe was the closest thing
to a mafia Don in Toronto
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at the time.
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Volpe was expanding in
the construction industry.
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Paul Volpe was a really
commanding figure.
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Volpe was known to be tied in
with organized crime
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in the United States.
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Had his own organization.
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Paul Volpe came from a non-mafia
family, didn't speak Italian.
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He was born in Toronto,
made these friends in the mafia
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families in New York
and Vito DeFillipo
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was one of his partners, one
of the Bonanno family people.
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But Paul Volpe had done what a
lot of them do over the years.
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He'd gotten slightly
respectable.
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He lived in a very suburban
area where lawyers, doctors,
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and dentists would live in.
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He had just bought this huge
estate called Fox Hill.
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Volpe means fox in English.
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He was involved in the
construction industry.
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He was getting bribes.
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He was involved
in Atlantic City.
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He was involved in many
land deals in Toronto.
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The Commissos were the new kids
on the block.
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They had none of the veneer
that Volpe had.
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The Commissos were new Canadians
who were more aggressive.
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Commissos were expanding
in the criminal underworld
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and then they decided to kill
Paul Volpe.
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My name is Charlie Yanover and
I'm the last of the Volpe mob.
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I've been charged with
everything from conspiracy
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to murder to possession
of drugs.
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I was in middle management.
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We'd say in Godfather terms,
I would've been a capo.
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I had my own people.
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We did things for the boss.
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I'm trying to make it as simple
as I can
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to make you understand
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because everybody's preconceived
with this godfather bullshit
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and we were just a crew
that went out and make a living.
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Chucky Yanover,
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he grew up in an upper middle
class Jewish family.
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He had everything.
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He didn't have to be
an organized crime.
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He just wanted some excitement
in his life.
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That was the heyday.
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We made money, drove fancy
cars, had nice women.
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Paul looked after all
the gambling in the city.
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We had our lone shark office
on Spadina.
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There was lots of heat around.
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The coppers were on us all the
time, had 24-hour surveillance.
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It was a six to five operation.
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They put money out in the street
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and they expect to get paid
every week,
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at least the interest
on the money,
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which was 20 percent a week.
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If you have to borrow money
that way,
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it's very difficult to make
the payments
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and people like Chuck would
go out and threaten coerce.
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We went and collected money
for services rendered
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or not rendered.
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Mostly not rendered.
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Toronto was a wide open city.
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Usually an organized crime
faction takes its territory,
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but what you had in Toronto
was Paul Volpe
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did what he wanted to do.
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The Commissos did
what they wanted to do.
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It was pretty loose,
but then things
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start to rock and roll and
people say, well, wait a minute,
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maybe this is my territory.
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Cecil Kirby, he's
a creature of habit,
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didn't look like a gangster
at all.
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He was short, maybe about
5'7", 5' 8", red hair.
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If you look into his eyes.
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Dead. Dead eyes.
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The eyes of a psychopathic
killer.
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Cecil Kirby was hired by
the Commissos in the '70's
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to essentially be a thug.
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He was a street enforcer.
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If the Commissos were in a feud
with someone
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or someone owed them money,
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they sent out their guy,
Cecil Kirby.
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I knew when I started working
for 'em, I thought,
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how long could I last
before they try and kill me?
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First bombing I did
was a pop truck,
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blew the back off
the pickup truck.
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Cosimo, he was just overjoyed
with that one.
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He just loved that.
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He says, just keep up
the good work.
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So next bombing was
King's Cross Estate
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where I put two sticks of
dynamite in the mailbox...
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[explosion]
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That went over good.
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Next bombing was Hamilton,
John Ryan.
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There was a Camaro
there one night
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and I put four sticks
of dynamite
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on top of the rear tire.
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Lit It.
Took off and I heard it go off.
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[explosion]
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Sounded like two freight trains
hitting together,
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ripped the back of that car
to pieces.
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Dennis Mason,
Cosimo wanted him killed.
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He was supposedly a witness
against one of Cosimo's friends.
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I put three sticks of dynamite
in his car,
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wired to the wiper fuse.
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[explosion]
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I heard the next day
the bomb went off,
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but it just smoked
the inside of the car.
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Bad, dynamite.
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Lucky kid.
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That I heard later on
from the police, that wrong guy,
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this is not the right
Dennis Mason.
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I think about a quarter
of them were mistaken.
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They got the wrong person.
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He did occasionally
get the right person.
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And then there was
the Chinese restaurant
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out Elizabeth Street
in Chinatown.
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The owner owed a gambling debt.
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Now that was 100 sticks
of dynamite in two cases.
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I went in the restaurant,
ordered a meal to go,
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went in the bathroom,
lifted up the ceiling tiles
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and put those two cases
in there.
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I was told that nobody
would be in that restaurant
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and I phoned it at 1:00 in the
morning, never got an answer.
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[phone rings]
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[explosion]
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I was awakened by
this horrible explosion.
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It sounded as if it happened
right in the hotel
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and I thought probably the whole
hotel was blowing up
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or something.
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The explosion started
in the back kitchen
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and it followed a shaft over to
the north side of the building
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and went up and through
the washroom
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and it was quite extensive.
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The bomb went off and blew
the owner across the restaurant
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and killed the cook.
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00:15:52,651 --> 00:15:54,386
That was the worst thing
right there.
253
00:15:55,421 --> 00:15:56,989
Innocent bystander.
254
00:15:59,291 --> 00:16:02,261
They blew up the cars of people
they didn't like.
255
00:16:02,328 --> 00:16:04,964
There were bombings under beds
in hotels.
256
00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:07,967
There were bombings
at businesses
257
00:16:08,033 --> 00:16:11,370
not paying the extortion fees
they were supposed to pay
258
00:16:11,437 --> 00:16:15,140
or there was a grudge against
somebody just to send a message.
259
00:16:15,207 --> 00:16:16,575
Don't mess with us.
260
00:16:18,177 --> 00:16:19,678
Next bombing.
261
00:16:19,712 --> 00:16:21,213
Well, I met Cosimo
and he said to me,
262
00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,516
his wife and her mother were
at this restaurant
263
00:16:24,583 --> 00:16:26,485
called Napoleon's
264
00:16:26,552 --> 00:16:28,387
and he says they threw them out
of the restaurant.
265
00:16:28,454 --> 00:16:30,389
They told him to leave
and get the hell out
266
00:16:30,456 --> 00:16:32,257
and he says, I need
some revenge.
267
00:16:35,327 --> 00:16:38,130
Read about it the next day
in a newspaper,
268
00:16:38,197 --> 00:16:41,667
the wrought iron bars that were
on the outside of the window,
269
00:16:41,734 --> 00:16:44,103
one went right through
the window
270
00:16:44,136 --> 00:16:46,005
and missed the one woman by
about a foot with her head.
271
00:16:46,071 --> 00:16:47,673
Almost took her head off.
272
00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:49,641
They got cut with a lot
of glass.
273
00:16:49,708 --> 00:16:52,544
They were hurt,
but they survived.
274
00:16:52,611 --> 00:16:54,580
Cosimo, I talked to him
about it.
275
00:16:54,613 --> 00:16:56,448
I told him, I said, understand
that people got hurt
276
00:16:56,515 --> 00:16:58,150
and he says, so what?
277
00:16:58,217 --> 00:17:00,185
He says, we got
the point across.
278
00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:03,155
You just didn't bad mouth
these people
279
00:17:03,222 --> 00:17:04,590
because they were violent.
280
00:17:04,623 --> 00:17:07,259
They take their status
sincerely.
281
00:17:18,537 --> 00:17:20,406
Cosimo was a ballroom dancer,
282
00:17:20,472 --> 00:17:23,075
professional ballroom dancer
of all things.
283
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:27,112
That sort of shocked me.
284
00:17:27,179 --> 00:17:29,181
That's where he met his wife.
285
00:17:31,583 --> 00:17:33,786
Cecil Kirby had a great job with
the Commissos for a few years,
286
00:17:33,852 --> 00:17:36,789
blowing up cars,
frightening people,
287
00:17:36,855 --> 00:17:40,125
but they never paid
him his full salary.
288
00:17:40,192 --> 00:17:43,462
He was offered $500,
he would get $200.
289
00:17:43,529 --> 00:17:46,698
He was offered $2000,
he would get $500
290
00:17:46,765 --> 00:17:50,602
and even for hits, he wasn't
paid the full amount.
291
00:17:52,504 --> 00:17:56,108
It's like they always had
to owe me money,
292
00:17:56,175 --> 00:18:00,379
sort of like keeping me on
the hook, keeping me around.
293
00:18:00,446 --> 00:18:03,715
Always owe somebody money.
Don't ever pay them in full.
294
00:18:06,618 --> 00:18:09,721
The Commissos, they never
knew anything but the mob.
295
00:18:09,788 --> 00:18:13,425
I know a lot of sons and
grandsons of mafia people,
296
00:18:13,492 --> 00:18:16,462
particularly if they're from
a name Mafia family
297
00:18:16,528 --> 00:18:21,667
like the Commissos,
they almost don't have a choice
298
00:18:21,733 --> 00:18:25,571
and if they decide not to be
in the mob, it's very hard.
299
00:18:25,571 --> 00:18:25,637
and if they decide not to be
in the mob, it's very hard.
300
00:18:33,745 --> 00:18:38,250
I was born into a mafia family
that came from Italy.
301
00:18:40,486 --> 00:18:42,588
I would always say like Jesus,
302
00:18:42,654 --> 00:18:45,257
my father's got a lot
of friends.
303
00:18:45,324 --> 00:18:48,093
Wow, that's nice.
They give him money.
304
00:18:50,162 --> 00:18:53,298
My father bought a Cadillac
once and he said to me,
305
00:18:53,365 --> 00:18:55,334
when you grow up, you can have
one of these.
306
00:18:55,400 --> 00:19:00,706
If you do the right thing,
I could get you in,
307
00:19:00,772 --> 00:19:03,442
but you have to prove to me
who you are.
308
00:19:06,445 --> 00:19:11,183
Downstairs at the Casa Commisso
there was the cellar.
309
00:19:11,250 --> 00:19:16,421
You go downstairs and there
was five superior main men.
310
00:19:17,890 --> 00:19:19,525
They make a circle.
311
00:19:19,558 --> 00:19:21,560
You go in the middle
of the circle.
312
00:19:21,627 --> 00:19:26,331
Once they fold their arms,
the first main guy speaks
313
00:19:26,398 --> 00:19:29,434
and you'll have a little card
in your hand.
314
00:19:29,501 --> 00:19:31,870
The second guy starts speaking.
315
00:19:31,937 --> 00:19:35,374
Then they burn the card
in your hand
316
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,444
and they tell you the way
this card is burning,
317
00:19:39,511 --> 00:19:42,147
so shall you and your body burn
318
00:19:42,214 --> 00:19:47,686
if you ever, ever betray
this organization.
319
00:19:47,753 --> 00:19:54,726
They say (speaks Italian).
320
00:19:54,793 --> 00:19:57,829
That means we hand you
a loaded gun
321
00:19:57,896 --> 00:20:02,634
in your left hand and in the
right hand you have the world.
322
00:20:02,701 --> 00:20:06,772
If they say to you, you got
to go hit this guy,
323
00:20:06,838 --> 00:20:08,740
well, that's what
the gun represents.
324
00:20:08,807 --> 00:20:10,776
You're going to do it.
325
00:20:10,842 --> 00:20:16,215
The world means to behave,
to never betray us.
326
00:20:16,281 --> 00:20:20,285
Whatever you do for us,
you shut your mouth,
327
00:20:20,352 --> 00:20:24,823
take your lumps, whatever it is,
you take it.
328
00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:27,426
You never betray
this organization.
329
00:20:33,298 --> 00:20:35,601
When people came into
the city, they would go
330
00:20:35,634 --> 00:20:39,238
to the Casa Commisso, let the
Commissos know we're in town.
331
00:20:39,304 --> 00:20:44,843
It was like going to the Vatican
and paying homage to the Pope.
332
00:20:46,678 --> 00:20:49,514
They're coming in to kiss the
ring and not cause any problems.
333
00:20:51,783 --> 00:20:53,752
The Casa Commisso,
walk in the front door
334
00:20:53,819 --> 00:20:55,988
and off to the right side
335
00:20:56,021 --> 00:20:58,257
there's about four or five
tables there and they're always
336
00:20:58,323 --> 00:21:02,794
playing cards or some
Italian game at that table.
337
00:21:02,861 --> 00:21:05,697
I'd always go in the back door,
not the front door
338
00:21:05,764 --> 00:21:09,301
because the RCMP or metro cops
were always watching it.
339
00:21:09,368 --> 00:21:11,837
The cook inside the kitchen
would open up the door for me
340
00:21:11,903 --> 00:21:14,940
and let me in and she'd always
make me something to eat too
341
00:21:15,007 --> 00:21:16,975
while I was there.
342
00:21:17,042 --> 00:21:19,478
The cops said to me years later,
we never, ever
343
00:21:19,544 --> 00:21:21,780
got a picture of you going
into this place.
344
00:21:21,813 --> 00:21:24,716
I said, well, next time you
want to watch the back door too.
345
00:21:26,351 --> 00:21:30,422
We had a dedicated surveillance
team that was called Special O,
346
00:21:30,489 --> 00:21:35,560
and Special O would do a lot
of the work on the day-to-day
347
00:21:35,627 --> 00:21:38,563
surveillance of
the Casa Commisso.
348
00:21:40,332 --> 00:21:41,967
They would have
Italian weddings there.
349
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,902
They would have stags
for the weddings.
350
00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:48,440
So it would be a who's who of
the local mafia
351
00:21:48,507 --> 00:21:50,008
showing up to these things.
352
00:21:50,042 --> 00:21:51,877
So it was valuable information
for us.
353
00:21:54,946 --> 00:21:57,516
One of the ripest target
situations
354
00:21:57,582 --> 00:22:00,619
that you could come up with
was a mob funeral.
355
00:22:00,686 --> 00:22:02,654
All the mobsters would be there.
356
00:22:02,688 --> 00:22:04,423
They would all be pallbearers
or walking in and out.
357
00:22:04,489 --> 00:22:05,857
Great surveillance footage.
358
00:22:07,693 --> 00:22:09,995
To do surveillance, you needed
this beaten up old van,
359
00:22:10,062 --> 00:22:11,863
which you would slap
a sign on saying
360
00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:14,366
so and so's gardening service
361
00:22:14,433 --> 00:22:18,070
or Ontario Hydro, and you would
drive the van up
362
00:22:18,136 --> 00:22:21,006
and there would be a two-way
window in there,
363
00:22:21,073 --> 00:22:23,375
and you'd have a cameraman
inside.
364
00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:26,578
Martin Burke had a reputation
365
00:22:26,645 --> 00:22:28,547
as a gung-ho investigative
reporter.
366
00:22:28,613 --> 00:22:30,248
He'd been in Vietnam.
367
00:22:30,282 --> 00:22:31,817
And you have to remember
back in the '70's
368
00:22:31,883 --> 00:22:33,785
when we were doing this,
369
00:22:33,819 --> 00:22:35,454
there were only a couple
of channels on television.
370
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,857
So when connections
was on in June of '77,
371
00:22:38,924 --> 00:22:41,693
everyone stopped what they
were doing and watched it.
372
00:22:45,163 --> 00:22:48,033
There was this series called
Connections that CBC had aired
373
00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:52,337
back in the '70's and it was
the most unbelievable exposé
374
00:22:52,404 --> 00:22:54,373
of organized crime.
375
00:22:54,406 --> 00:22:57,008
Even still to this day
when I watch it I'm in awe,
376
00:22:57,075 --> 00:23:00,078
I can't believe the balls
that these journalists had
377
00:23:00,145 --> 00:23:02,914
to go after these mobsters
like this.
378
00:23:02,981 --> 00:23:05,817
To put together
undercover scenarios,
379
00:23:05,884 --> 00:23:08,653
the techniques they used which
at the time were revolutionary.
380
00:23:10,922 --> 00:23:12,991
There was no footage
of any of these people.
381
00:23:13,058 --> 00:23:14,693
If you're doing a film
about politics,
382
00:23:14,726 --> 00:23:16,828
you can always get tons
of footage there.
383
00:23:16,862 --> 00:23:19,064
If you're doing film about
sports, there's tons of footage.
384
00:23:19,131 --> 00:23:21,733
This, there was zero footage,
385
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,835
so we had to create
our own footage
386
00:23:26,571 --> 00:23:28,306
And it was pretty
dramatic stuff.
387
00:23:34,212 --> 00:23:37,649
We had Johnny Papalia saying,
I'll eat your eyes out
388
00:23:37,716 --> 00:23:40,652
you motherfucking,
cocksucking prick,
389
00:23:40,719 --> 00:23:44,623
and we had Volpe explaining
how he would,
390
00:23:44,689 --> 00:23:45,957
you can only kill
a stool pigeon,
391
00:23:46,024 --> 00:23:48,560
can't leave them alive.
392
00:23:48,627 --> 00:23:50,929
They had stool pigeons
all over the world,
393
00:23:50,996 --> 00:23:55,500
and the minute the stool pigeon
gets killed, someone kills them,
394
00:23:55,567 --> 00:23:57,803
which to me is rightly so.
395
00:23:57,836 --> 00:23:59,571
You got to kill them, you got
to get them out of the way.
396
00:23:59,638 --> 00:24:02,474
Anybody's an informer,
only looking to hurt people.
397
00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:07,412
One day we had heard that there
was some big meeting happening
398
00:24:07,479 --> 00:24:10,916
and it would happen
at the Casa Commisso.
399
00:24:10,982 --> 00:24:13,618
Our thing was we would go
up there
400
00:24:13,685 --> 00:24:15,120
and we would park
with all the cars
401
00:24:15,187 --> 00:24:16,755
in front of the Casa Commisso
402
00:24:16,788 --> 00:24:19,624
and see if anybody
came and went.
403
00:24:19,691 --> 00:24:22,194
So we did that, but there
was a little problem.
404
00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:23,728
There were no cars.
405
00:24:23,795 --> 00:24:25,564
It was the middle of the week
406
00:24:25,597 --> 00:24:27,432
and like 2:00 in the afternoon
or something,
407
00:24:27,499 --> 00:24:29,868
and we stuck out
like a sore thumb.
408
00:24:31,703 --> 00:24:37,876
And so I get out of the van
and I go into the Casa Commisso,
409
00:24:37,943 --> 00:24:41,880
open the door, and it was
an opening of a door
410
00:24:41,947 --> 00:24:44,115
right into a major meeting hall
411
00:24:45,283 --> 00:24:48,186
And Martin Burke, our director,
went to interview Remo.
412
00:24:48,253 --> 00:24:50,555
He asked for him at the door.
413
00:24:50,622 --> 00:24:52,858
The trick was to get him to stay
at the door long enough.
414
00:24:52,891 --> 00:24:56,461
We had our cameraman in the
parking lot of the Casa Commisso
415
00:24:56,528 --> 00:24:59,564
shooting this, and he was
wearing a hidden mic.
416
00:24:59,631 --> 00:25:02,200
There was no vestibule,
there was no other door.
417
00:25:02,267 --> 00:25:04,202
You just opened the door
and there you were
418
00:25:04,269 --> 00:25:05,837
right in the middle.
419
00:25:05,871 --> 00:25:07,105
And there was a meeting
going on.
420
00:25:08,573 --> 00:25:09,875
Remo was at the head
of the table
421
00:25:09,941 --> 00:25:12,177
commanding all these other guys,
422
00:25:12,244 --> 00:25:14,679
and I looked around the table
and recognized
423
00:25:14,746 --> 00:25:18,783
several of the faces
from surveillance footage
424
00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:22,220
that we had gotten
from various cops.
425
00:25:22,287 --> 00:25:25,724
I realized I had blundered
right into the meeting
426
00:25:25,790 --> 00:25:28,860
that was rumored to happen,
427
00:25:28,927 --> 00:25:31,062
which was not a very smart thing
to do.
428
00:25:32,664 --> 00:25:34,633
He said, are you Remo Commisso?
429
00:25:34,666 --> 00:25:37,068
And he said, who wants to know
who Remo Commisso -
430
00:25:37,135 --> 00:25:39,437
you know the usual.
431
00:25:39,471 --> 00:25:41,273
And they had this banter, but
he kept it going for a while.
432
00:25:41,339 --> 00:25:45,243
Then finally Remo said,
get in here.
433
00:25:45,310 --> 00:25:48,613
And he said, mmhmm,
I'm not going in there.
434
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,050
So he decided to get out of
there as fast as he could.
435
00:25:52,117 --> 00:25:56,721
Remo was indignant, furious,
racing after me
436
00:25:56,788 --> 00:26:00,225
out into the parking lot
and I quietly backpedalled out.
437
00:26:00,292 --> 00:26:03,595
And he's really yelling,
he's really indignant
438
00:26:03,662 --> 00:26:05,730
and you didn't know where
that was going to go.
439
00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:10,669
The van was sitting there in
the middle of a huge parking lot
440
00:26:10,735 --> 00:26:12,637
and I could not get back to it
without attracting
441
00:26:12,704 --> 00:26:14,172
enormous attention.
442
00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:16,608
[phone rings]
443
00:26:16,675 --> 00:26:18,510
I got the call
444
00:26:18,543 --> 00:26:19,844
and he was worried
because he had left Francis
445
00:26:19,911 --> 00:26:23,014
the intrepid cameraman
in the parking lot.
446
00:26:23,081 --> 00:26:27,185
So he said to me, get the cops.
447
00:26:27,252 --> 00:26:30,889
And a couple of police cars
escorted me back to the van.
448
00:26:30,956 --> 00:26:33,925
We were very lucky to be able
to get back to that van.
449
00:26:33,992 --> 00:26:36,795
And they'd never realized
that they were being filmed
450
00:26:36,861 --> 00:26:40,565
until they saw it on television,
on June, 1977.
451
00:26:41,833 --> 00:26:43,802
Remo Commisso has established
452
00:26:43,835 --> 00:26:46,571
contacts with organized
criminals across the country.
453
00:26:46,638 --> 00:26:49,274
He now operates from the
Casa Commisso banquet hall
454
00:26:49,341 --> 00:26:51,776
on Lawrence Avenue.
455
00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:54,646
A location often frequented
by those with criminal records.
456
00:27:01,152 --> 00:27:03,054
In 1979 when they had
the Connection show
457
00:27:03,088 --> 00:27:08,727
and they outed me
as a gangster, things changed.
458
00:27:08,793 --> 00:27:13,932
And that was from my good friend
Jim Dubro who wrote the book.
459
00:27:13,999 --> 00:27:17,235
There are other less fashionable
addresses in Paul Volpe's life,
460
00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:21,106
such as suite 201 on the second
floor of a dingy office building
461
00:27:21,172 --> 00:27:23,475
at College and Spadina
in Toronto.
462
00:27:23,508 --> 00:27:27,078
According to police, Volpe, his
brother Frank and Nate Clagerman
463
00:27:27,145 --> 00:27:30,682
operate huge loan sharking
operations from this location.
464
00:27:33,084 --> 00:27:34,719
We were in the real
estate business.
465
00:27:34,786 --> 00:27:36,621
We had all the buildings
down at Parliament
466
00:27:36,688 --> 00:27:37,922
and King and Queen Street.
467
00:27:37,989 --> 00:27:39,691
They owned the city TV building
468
00:27:39,758 --> 00:27:42,360
and all the warehouses
in Berkeley Street.
469
00:27:42,427 --> 00:27:44,863
And the night after
the Connection show,
470
00:27:44,896 --> 00:27:50,402
the banks called all our loans
and cost us a $100 million.
471
00:27:50,468 --> 00:27:51,636
So...
472
00:27:53,738 --> 00:27:57,242
-[barking]
- You guys behave yourself.
In the garage.
473
00:27:59,544 --> 00:28:03,081
The cops used to come in and tap
your phones and wire your houses
474
00:28:03,148 --> 00:28:04,783
whenever they could.
475
00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:06,818
Just, you had to be alert.
You don't talk.
476
00:28:06,851 --> 00:28:09,688
You have to know what
you're doing 24 hours a day.
477
00:28:23,768 --> 00:28:27,072
We were posted to Toronto
drug section.
478
00:28:27,138 --> 00:28:29,841
We were on what they call
the international team,
479
00:28:29,908 --> 00:28:31,876
international squad.
480
00:28:31,910 --> 00:28:35,046
Primarily what we did was pursue
heroin prosecutions.
481
00:28:35,113 --> 00:28:38,683
Heroin was fondly referred
to as the mounty drug.
482
00:28:40,985 --> 00:28:42,887
We all started working
the street
483
00:28:42,954 --> 00:28:45,290
and working our way up
to different levels.
484
00:28:46,591 --> 00:28:50,128
Ounce dealers, half-pound deal,
that type of thing.
485
00:28:50,195 --> 00:28:53,164
The heroin would come
in various methods,
486
00:28:53,231 --> 00:28:55,467
but mostly it was body packed.
487
00:28:55,533 --> 00:28:58,369
There was a constant flow of
Italians back and forth
488
00:28:58,436 --> 00:29:00,405
between here and Italy.
489
00:29:00,438 --> 00:29:04,142
Two 747s arriving every day,
Alitalia and Air Canada.
490
00:29:04,209 --> 00:29:06,144
So at 4:00 every afternoon
491
00:29:06,211 --> 00:29:09,914
you would have 800-900
Italian folks
492
00:29:09,981 --> 00:29:12,751
arriving at the airport
in Toronto
493
00:29:12,817 --> 00:29:15,787
and some of them were bad guys.
494
00:29:19,991 --> 00:29:23,762
So we started a dialogue
with the Italian authorities
495
00:29:23,828 --> 00:29:25,864
and inch by inch,
496
00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:28,299
we worked our way up
into these organizations
497
00:29:28,366 --> 00:29:30,769
and we followed every instinct
we could.
498
00:29:30,835 --> 00:29:32,937
But it was like you know,
baking a cake right?
499
00:29:32,971 --> 00:29:36,741
You had to be prepared to
sit there and watch it cook.
500
00:29:36,808 --> 00:29:40,678
And the conspiracies developing
took weeks, months.
501
00:29:42,614 --> 00:29:47,118
The idea was making money
how fast and how much.
502
00:29:47,185 --> 00:29:49,287
So the way it works
is you've got
503
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,990
the people on the street level,
the mafia, the soldiers,
504
00:29:52,056 --> 00:29:54,292
they're the ones committing
the crime.
505
00:29:54,325 --> 00:29:56,995
Whatever crime they commit,
however they generate the money,
506
00:29:57,061 --> 00:29:58,763
part of that money,
it's bubbled up
507
00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:01,299
to their immediate supervisor,
so to speak.
508
00:30:01,366 --> 00:30:05,170
Then it goes up the chain
and eventually it ends up
509
00:30:05,236 --> 00:30:07,806
in Cosimo and Remo's hands.
510
00:30:09,541 --> 00:30:11,776
It's almost like I guess
a pyramid scheme.
511
00:30:12,944 --> 00:30:16,548
We were certainly satisfied that
we knew who was behind it all,
512
00:30:16,614 --> 00:30:18,783
but convicting him was
no easy task.
513
00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:21,786
We got a significant number
of these guys
514
00:30:21,853 --> 00:30:24,422
both here and in Vancouver.
515
00:30:24,489 --> 00:30:26,558
We had a guy from Italy,
came over,
516
00:30:26,624 --> 00:30:29,794
did a deal with us right
in a hotel in Toronto.
517
00:30:29,861 --> 00:30:31,462
It was almost a kilo.
518
00:30:31,529 --> 00:30:34,732
It was 94 or 96 percent pure.
519
00:30:37,202 --> 00:30:38,436
We charged 30 people.
520
00:30:38,469 --> 00:30:40,138
We convicted every one
of them,
521
00:30:40,205 --> 00:30:43,007
which is really rare
with Commissos.
522
00:30:43,074 --> 00:30:45,043
The reality is they're the focus
523
00:30:45,109 --> 00:30:47,812
and boy, would it be nice
to charge these guys,
524
00:30:47,879 --> 00:30:49,948
but sometimes it works,
sometimes it doesn't.
525
00:30:50,014 --> 00:30:51,883
As they say, sometimes
you get the bear,
526
00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:52,984
sometimes the bear gets you.
527
00:30:55,053 --> 00:30:57,989
The bosses rarely, if ever,
touched the drugs,
528
00:30:58,056 --> 00:30:59,691
and unfortunately in our case,
529
00:30:59,724 --> 00:31:02,126
that was specifically what
happened to us.
530
00:31:02,193 --> 00:31:03,695
They just never went near
the stuff
531
00:31:03,728 --> 00:31:05,496
and we never had enough
to charge them.
532
00:31:12,337 --> 00:31:14,305
If you don't have informants,
533
00:31:14,339 --> 00:31:15,907
you're not going to last very
long doing this job.
534
00:31:19,444 --> 00:31:21,412
Around '78 or '79,
535
00:31:21,446 --> 00:31:23,414
a meeting I had with Cosimo
at the Casa Commisso,
536
00:31:23,481 --> 00:31:25,717
he said to me,
537
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:30,221
I need this Italian mob boss
in Italy killed, Momo Piromali
538
00:31:30,288 --> 00:31:32,590
Italian courts were looking
into his wealth
539
00:31:32,657 --> 00:31:34,559
and his mafia activities.
540
00:31:39,998 --> 00:31:42,867
They made international
headlines when they kidnapped
541
00:31:42,934 --> 00:31:45,036
John Paul Getty III,
542
00:31:45,069 --> 00:31:48,973
the nephew of American Oil
billionaire John Paul Getty.
543
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:54,545
They cut off his ear in order
to get $3.2 million in ransom.
544
00:31:58,549 --> 00:32:01,286
He said, they'll fly me there,
pay for all my expenses,
545
00:32:01,352 --> 00:32:03,121
and he said, somebody there
will take me
546
00:32:03,187 --> 00:32:05,323
and show me where the guy lives.
547
00:32:05,390 --> 00:32:07,592
And after that,
it's in my hands.
548
00:32:09,193 --> 00:32:12,096
It made me suspicious.
549
00:32:12,163 --> 00:32:13,932
I'm a Irish guy, not,
I'm not Italian.
550
00:32:13,998 --> 00:32:15,900
I can't speak Italian.
551
00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:17,502
I said, I'm going to stand out
everywhere I'm at.
552
00:32:17,568 --> 00:32:19,370
Good place to get rid of me,
in Italy.
553
00:32:19,437 --> 00:32:22,073
Dig a go hole on the ground,
bury me.
554
00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:24,208
That's the end of it, period.
555
00:32:25,576 --> 00:32:27,445
I said, no, it ain't
going to happen.
556
00:32:27,512 --> 00:32:29,948
I know for a fact I would've
never came back.
557
00:32:32,283 --> 00:32:35,086
I would've killed him and one of
Cossimmo's men over there
558
00:32:35,153 --> 00:32:36,521
would've killed me.
559
00:32:39,090 --> 00:32:42,193
It's the first time I actually
refused and I thought,
560
00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:44,929
well, I just have to keep
my wits about me
561
00:32:44,996 --> 00:32:47,532
when I'm dealing
with these people.
562
00:32:47,598 --> 00:32:49,634
I knew what I started working
for 'em.
563
00:32:49,667 --> 00:32:52,337
I thought, how long could I last
working for these guys?
564
00:32:52,403 --> 00:32:55,039
Because the reputation
with the mob guy is
565
00:32:55,106 --> 00:32:58,176
they only last
three to five years,
566
00:32:58,242 --> 00:33:00,712
and this was getting close
to the end of the fifth year,
567
00:33:00,778 --> 00:33:04,549
and I thought, where am I going
to have to go,
568
00:33:04,615 --> 00:33:07,018
where am I going to retire
to get away from these guys.
569
00:33:08,953 --> 00:33:12,290
Being a enforcer, a hit man,
you know too much.
570
00:33:12,357 --> 00:33:13,958
Sooner or later, there's
a bullet for you
571
00:33:14,025 --> 00:33:16,327
right around the corner.
572
00:33:16,361 --> 00:33:20,098
Cecil reached the stage where
he realizes and rightfully so,
573
00:33:20,164 --> 00:33:21,966
he knows too much.
574
00:33:22,033 --> 00:33:24,969
I mean it's history,
it's everywhere.
575
00:33:25,036 --> 00:33:26,537
It happened in New York
with Gotti
576
00:33:26,571 --> 00:33:28,639
when his right-hand man
turned on him
577
00:33:28,706 --> 00:33:30,942
because he knew his days
were numbered.
578
00:33:31,976 --> 00:33:34,579
Cecil, he's nothing to
the Commissos, he knows that.
579
00:33:34,645 --> 00:33:37,015
They could drop him
on a dime
580
00:33:37,081 --> 00:33:39,684
and there'll be another Cecil
Kirby come along.
581
00:33:39,751 --> 00:33:43,121
And people like that,
they come forward.
582
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,337
Well, like I took about two
weeks to think about this.
583
00:34:09,447 --> 00:34:12,316
At the time I was up on some
criminal charges and I thought,
584
00:34:12,383 --> 00:34:14,685
well, let's see what I can do
with the charges,
585
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,122
because sometimes you give an
offer to the cops, you can walk.
586
00:34:20,425 --> 00:34:24,062
So I phoned the RCMP and CIS.
587
00:34:24,128 --> 00:34:26,364
I said to them, I said,
I got some information
588
00:34:26,431 --> 00:34:28,666
that you guys might want
to know about.
589
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:32,403
The guy who answered the phone
there was Corporal Mark Murphy.
590
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:34,572
Kirby said he had to meet him
in half an hour
591
00:34:34,605 --> 00:34:37,341
to find out everything about
organized crime in Toronto
592
00:34:37,408 --> 00:34:39,010
from the inside.
593
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,750
I said, why don't you meet me
at Casa Loma?
594
00:34:45,817 --> 00:34:50,588
So the RCMP corporal
showed up there.
595
00:34:50,655 --> 00:34:52,690
I'm in the car talking to him
and I said, look,
596
00:34:52,723 --> 00:34:55,693
I got some information on
members of organized crime
597
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,129
if we can do a deal.
598
00:34:58,196 --> 00:35:00,331
So I gave him some names
and he just sat there
599
00:35:00,398 --> 00:35:02,633
just sort of silently
600
00:35:02,667 --> 00:35:07,805
like bells going off in his head
and I said, think about it,
601
00:35:07,872 --> 00:35:11,175
but I'm not just going to hand
these guys over to you.
602
00:35:11,242 --> 00:35:15,680
He was really hot in a trot
to get these guys arrested.
603
00:35:15,746 --> 00:35:19,283
He wanted me to become
police informant
604
00:35:19,350 --> 00:35:22,286
and I was taking my time about
it, really thinking about it.
605
00:35:24,388 --> 00:35:28,426
It's a real difference
between a police informant
606
00:35:28,493 --> 00:35:30,394
and the police agent.
607
00:35:30,461 --> 00:35:32,296
Police informant just
gives information,
608
00:35:32,363 --> 00:35:34,732
may or may not ever testify.
609
00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:39,270
An agent actually goes out
and does stuff for the police.
610
00:35:40,738 --> 00:35:42,540
And I said, I want
your assurance
611
00:35:42,573 --> 00:35:45,343
you're not going to burn me
or stab me in the back.
612
00:35:45,409 --> 00:35:47,778
Me trusting the RCMP
hundred percent?
613
00:35:47,845 --> 00:35:49,814
That will never happen.
614
00:35:49,847 --> 00:35:53,651
Becoming a police informant,
not a good thing to do.
615
00:35:53,718 --> 00:35:55,386
Should I have just
walked outside,
616
00:35:55,453 --> 00:35:57,155
shot myself in the head?
617
00:35:57,221 --> 00:35:58,689
Maybe so, but I didn't.
618
00:36:01,893 --> 00:36:04,529
Over the years, the number of
attempts that have been made
619
00:36:04,595 --> 00:36:06,731
to try to get close to
the Commisso family...
620
00:36:06,797 --> 00:36:09,600
First of all, the best way
to get there
621
00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:11,702
is to infiltrate,
and believe me,
622
00:36:11,769 --> 00:36:15,840
policemen have been trying
for decades to infiltrate,
623
00:36:15,907 --> 00:36:19,243
but nothing has been that good
in Canada
624
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:21,312
and that close
to what Cecil did.
625
00:36:25,650 --> 00:36:27,885
It's a tremendous risk
because first of all,
626
00:36:27,919 --> 00:36:34,292
he's crossed Cosimo and that's
bad because that gets reflected
627
00:36:34,358 --> 00:36:36,928
throughout the organized
crime community.
628
00:36:36,994 --> 00:36:41,199
And so we decided that we would
give him immunity
629
00:36:41,265 --> 00:36:45,870
and then the case was how now
do we get corroboration?
630
00:36:45,937 --> 00:36:48,906
And not only that, but
the level of corroboration
631
00:36:48,973 --> 00:36:53,177
had to be extremely high...
like a wiretap.
632
00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:02,220
After I got the immunity
agreement, I was wired up.
633
00:37:02,286 --> 00:37:04,455
My car was all wired up
for sound.
634
00:37:06,357 --> 00:37:09,360
Cosimo, one day he says to me,
I can trust you.
635
00:37:09,427 --> 00:37:10,995
I said, yeah.
636
00:37:11,028 --> 00:37:12,830
I said, I've been
with you this long.
637
00:37:12,863 --> 00:37:15,700
I said, I'm still here.
I said, sure, you can trust me.
638
00:37:15,766 --> 00:37:18,336
I said, you shouldn't even
bring that up.
639
00:37:18,402 --> 00:37:22,206
The next, they say, we want you
to kill Peter Scarcella
640
00:37:22,273 --> 00:37:23,474
and Paul Volpe.
641
00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:27,378
I said, well, here we go.
642
00:37:29,547 --> 00:37:32,750
Paul had obviously stepped
on somebody's toes.
643
00:37:32,817 --> 00:37:34,952
I know that there was
some dislike
644
00:37:35,019 --> 00:37:37,488
between the Commissos and him
645
00:37:37,555 --> 00:37:39,757
where they would never
have taken the original contract
646
00:37:39,824 --> 00:37:42,059
to kill him.
647
00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:43,694
You just don't go out and murder
another member of a family.
648
00:37:43,728 --> 00:37:47,765
You go to obviously the Don and
whoever the Don is at the time
649
00:37:47,832 --> 00:37:49,233
that you're answering to
650
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:50,868
is going to make
that decision
651
00:37:50,901 --> 00:37:52,870
and give you the permission
to do it.
652
00:37:52,937 --> 00:37:56,874
He was then asked to do a more
important hit
653
00:37:56,941 --> 00:38:00,711
and that was the leading
associate of Paul Volpe
654
00:38:00,778 --> 00:38:02,613
named Peter Scarcella.
655
00:38:05,516 --> 00:38:07,618
Cosimo drove me around.
656
00:38:07,652 --> 00:38:10,254
He showed me where Scarcella
lived off of Jane Street.
657
00:38:10,321 --> 00:38:12,290
Then he said to me, do you
know where Volpe lives?
658
00:38:12,356 --> 00:38:14,125
And I said, yes, I do.
659
00:38:14,158 --> 00:38:15,493
I know exactly where he lives,
up in Nobleton.
660
00:38:17,828 --> 00:38:21,766
The RCMP wanted me to get Cosimo
and Remo and Michael on tape
661
00:38:21,832 --> 00:38:24,935
with the conversation
about conspiracy to murder.
662
00:38:26,437 --> 00:38:28,005
There was a series of meetings
663
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,042
between Cosimo Commisso
and Cecil Kirby.
664
00:38:31,108 --> 00:38:33,744
Initially, it was going to be
Scarcella and Volpe
665
00:38:33,811 --> 00:38:35,379
were to be whacked.
666
00:38:37,715 --> 00:38:39,884
The meetings just kept happening
and happening and happening,
667
00:38:39,950 --> 00:38:41,585
and the RCMP said to me,
668
00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:43,821
some of the recordings
aren't that great.
669
00:38:43,888 --> 00:38:46,791
You got to get 'em to stay
in your car.
670
00:38:46,857 --> 00:38:48,959
I said, that's going to be
a challenge.
671
00:38:50,394 --> 00:38:54,265
So, I bandaged my foot all up
with elastic tape.
672
00:38:56,367 --> 00:38:59,970
I met Cosimo at the Howard
Johnson hotel.
673
00:39:00,037 --> 00:39:02,440
I said to him, I hurt my ankle
jogging the other day.
674
00:39:02,506 --> 00:39:04,709
I said, I can't walk that good.
675
00:39:04,775 --> 00:39:06,577
And he says, we're going
to talk in your car?
676
00:39:06,644 --> 00:39:07,878
I said, yeah.
677
00:39:07,912 --> 00:39:09,213
I said, you know as well
as me,
678
00:39:09,246 --> 00:39:10,481
I know the guy that does
all the debugging.
679
00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:11,782
I said, this car's been checked
a lot of times.
680
00:39:14,452 --> 00:39:17,922
He got inside my car,
my Shiv Caprice Classic.
681
00:39:17,988 --> 00:39:20,391
I said, so it's safe to talk in.
682
00:39:20,458 --> 00:39:22,560
So that's how I got him
to talk
683
00:39:22,626 --> 00:39:24,929
and he says, hold off
on Peter Scarcella.
684
00:39:24,995 --> 00:39:26,497
Don't kill him.
He's on our side.
685
00:39:26,564 --> 00:39:27,798
I said, oh, okay.
686
00:39:27,832 --> 00:39:29,433
He's not with Paul Volpe
anymore?
687
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:31,502
He says, well, he's working
for us now.
688
00:39:33,637 --> 00:39:36,707
The police thought they could
maybe just grab Volpe
689
00:39:36,774 --> 00:39:39,577
and have him disappear
for a bit,
690
00:39:39,643 --> 00:39:42,880
and then the assumption
would be he was dead.
691
00:39:42,947 --> 00:39:45,716
We told them that that would
amount to kidnapping
692
00:39:45,783 --> 00:39:47,518
under the Criminal Code.
693
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,089
Howard Morton said, no,
we can't kidnap him.
694
00:39:52,156 --> 00:39:54,658
So someone else, I think it
may have been Murphy, said,
695
00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:57,695
why don't we just ask him
if he would like to cooperate?
696
00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:01,832
That was the RCMP Corporal,
that was his idea.
697
00:40:01,899 --> 00:40:05,536
Take him into custody, get his
wallet, fake his death,
698
00:40:05,603 --> 00:40:07,571
and I had to have that wallet
699
00:40:07,605 --> 00:40:11,409
for absolutely good,
strong proof that I killed him.
700
00:40:13,811 --> 00:40:18,749
Murphy and another metro Toronto
police officer who Volpe knew,
701
00:40:18,816 --> 00:40:22,586
went up there and said, look,
Commissos want to kill you.
702
00:40:22,653 --> 00:40:24,889
They've hired this hit man
to kill you,
703
00:40:24,955 --> 00:40:27,425
and we want to pretend
that you've been killed.
704
00:40:27,491 --> 00:40:29,693
Could you give us your wallet
and said,
705
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,763
we better bring your wife too.
706
00:40:32,830 --> 00:40:37,401
CFSU takes them into custody and
takes him to the RCMP station
707
00:40:37,468 --> 00:40:39,470
incommunicado to make
'em look like
708
00:40:39,537 --> 00:40:41,505
they've fallen off the face
of the earth.
709
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:44,175
He immediately handed
over his wallet
710
00:40:44,208 --> 00:40:46,343
without even checking
what was in there.
711
00:40:48,212 --> 00:40:50,047
Paul was upset.
712
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,149
In fact, he almost had big
elephant tears
713
00:40:52,183 --> 00:40:54,752
because it was one of these
like, who would want to kill me?
714
00:40:57,555 --> 00:41:00,191
The whole drama of the moment is
that Cecil Kirby had to go back
715
00:41:00,257 --> 00:41:02,993
to Remo and Cosimo
with a body pack
716
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:05,896
so that they could
incriminate themselves
717
00:41:05,963 --> 00:41:07,998
and they had to do it fast
718
00:41:08,032 --> 00:41:09,800
because they couldn't keep Volpe
and his wife for days
719
00:41:09,867 --> 00:41:11,569
at RCMP headquarters.
720
00:41:11,602 --> 00:41:13,771
They could only keep them
for a day or so.
721
00:41:13,838 --> 00:41:15,806
The corporal gave me the wallet.
722
00:41:17,107 --> 00:41:18,809
I drove over to Remo
Commisso's house.
723
00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:24,782
[knocking]
724
00:41:24,849 --> 00:41:27,151
Knocked on the door, went in.
725
00:41:27,218 --> 00:41:29,753
I said, I got to talk to you.
726
00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:32,623
So we went downstairs to the
basement, into the bathroom.
727
00:41:34,925 --> 00:41:37,895
Remo put on the cold water tap
728
00:41:37,962 --> 00:41:40,798
in case the place is bugged
or anybody's listening.
729
00:41:40,865 --> 00:41:44,668
He was always suspicious
and on guard for everything.
730
00:41:44,735 --> 00:41:46,370
He says, what's going on?
731
00:41:46,403 --> 00:41:47,872
I said, I handed him
Paul Volpe's wallet.
732
00:41:47,938 --> 00:41:50,808
I said, Paul Volpe is dead.
733
00:41:50,875 --> 00:41:52,743
I said, Cosimo told me
to kill him.
734
00:41:52,810 --> 00:41:54,378
He's dead.
735
00:41:54,411 --> 00:41:55,679
I need some money
to get out of town.
736
00:41:57,681 --> 00:42:00,484
The cops were listening
to the whole conversation
737
00:42:00,551 --> 00:42:02,786
and they had an enforcement team
738
00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:05,890
just down the street waiting
in case something did happen.
739
00:42:05,956 --> 00:42:07,958
I was a little concerned
because the hair on my chest,
740
00:42:08,025 --> 00:42:10,027
the tape kept falling off.
741
00:42:12,897 --> 00:42:14,532
There was a sound of water.
742
00:42:14,565 --> 00:42:17,835
We thought it was a shower
being turned on.
743
00:42:17,902 --> 00:42:21,572
In one of the Godfather movies
one of the characters
744
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:23,908
in the movie does exactly
the same thing,
745
00:42:23,974 --> 00:42:28,879
turns the shower on to try
and muffle a possible wire tap.
746
00:42:30,881 --> 00:42:32,783
Remo was furious.
You don't bring me his wallet.
747
00:42:32,850 --> 00:42:34,218
Why didn't you get rid of it?
748
00:42:36,387 --> 00:42:38,956
He says, take that wallet and
throw it down a sewer drain.
749
00:42:39,023 --> 00:42:41,258
The most traumatic part
was showing
750
00:42:41,292 --> 00:42:46,030
that wallet to Remo Commisso
in the basement of his house,
751
00:42:46,096 --> 00:42:48,599
face to face with
a homicidal killer.
752
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:52,202
And I thought, is this where
they're going to kill me?
753
00:42:52,269 --> 00:42:53,938
But finally, he admits
that he knows
754
00:42:54,004 --> 00:42:55,306
that they were supposed
to be killed.
755
00:42:55,372 --> 00:42:57,074
That's the important thing.
756
00:42:57,107 --> 00:42:59,109
So he implicates himself
in the hit plot.
757
00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:02,780
It was solid evidence.
758
00:43:02,813 --> 00:43:05,516
You couldn't get better
corroboration than a wiretap.
759
00:43:06,917 --> 00:43:08,586
I said, I want to fly to Florida
760
00:43:08,652 --> 00:43:10,621
and get away from
here right now.
761
00:43:10,688 --> 00:43:13,057
He said, okay.
He says, Mike will meet you
762
00:43:13,123 --> 00:43:16,226
out at Howard Johnson's
at about 4:00.
763
00:43:16,293 --> 00:43:17,895
He'd give you some money then.
764
00:43:20,931 --> 00:43:22,232
And that's what happened.
765
00:43:24,068 --> 00:43:25,769
Michael met me there,
766
00:43:25,803 --> 00:43:28,706
I think it was 500 bucks
or something stupid,
767
00:43:28,772 --> 00:43:31,075
and he left and he only
went down the highway
768
00:43:31,108 --> 00:43:34,678
maybe three miles, and police
surrounded him, arrested him.
769
00:43:34,745 --> 00:43:38,649
I was given the instruction
then to arrest Remo Commisso
770
00:43:38,716 --> 00:43:41,018
and bring him to the station.
771
00:43:41,085 --> 00:43:44,121
We walked up to the door,
knocked on the door,
772
00:43:44,188 --> 00:43:45,923
identified myself.
773
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:49,226
He invited us in.
He was very calm.
774
00:43:49,293 --> 00:43:51,261
Somebody's coming in to arrest
you for conspiracy
775
00:43:51,328 --> 00:43:53,364
to commit murder.
776
00:43:53,397 --> 00:43:55,799
Most people would be a little
bit shaken and upset.
777
00:43:55,866 --> 00:43:58,002
I never saw that in Remo.
778
00:43:58,068 --> 00:44:00,704
I said to Remo, you're
under arrest for conspiracy
779
00:44:00,771 --> 00:44:02,940
to commit murder.
780
00:44:02,973 --> 00:44:05,676
He would've been able to put
that together very quickly.
781
00:44:05,743 --> 00:44:07,611
He knows that Cecil
was just there showing him
782
00:44:07,678 --> 00:44:09,179
Paul's identification.
783
00:44:09,246 --> 00:44:12,616
He knows right then that Cecil
is a rat
784
00:44:12,683 --> 00:44:15,953
and he's been done.
So better he say nothing.
785
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:17,921
I mean, if he turns around
and says,
786
00:44:17,955 --> 00:44:20,257
well, that dirty rat Kirby,
that's a statement.
787
00:44:20,324 --> 00:44:23,627
I mean, that becomes something.
He said, nothing.
788
00:44:24,795 --> 00:44:26,630
It was a very simple arrest.
789
00:44:26,697 --> 00:44:30,801
It was, you're under arrest
Remo, come to the station.
790
00:44:33,203 --> 00:44:36,073
They were charged with the plot
to kill Paul Volpe and his wife,
791
00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:38,676
and even Scarcella.
792
00:44:38,742 --> 00:44:42,813
They're charged with a number of
bombings and assaults
793
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,616
that Kirby did for
enforcement work.
794
00:44:47,351 --> 00:44:49,420
Cecil Kirby committed a number
of crimes
795
00:44:49,486 --> 00:44:51,388
on behalf of the Commissos.
796
00:44:51,455 --> 00:44:55,993
He clearly was capable
of extreme violence.
797
00:44:56,060 --> 00:45:00,431
It may seem strange to say this,
but despite his background,
798
00:45:00,497 --> 00:45:02,833
I found him believable.
799
00:45:04,368 --> 00:45:07,404
I testified against Remo
and Cosimo.
800
00:45:07,471 --> 00:45:10,841
Cosimo wasn't too bad.
He just stared at me.
801
00:45:10,908 --> 00:45:13,177
With Remo, he gave me some
pretty mean looks
802
00:45:13,243 --> 00:45:15,279
like, oh, I'd just
love to kill you.
803
00:45:17,481 --> 00:45:19,783
If you're testifying, you're
going to be cross-examined
804
00:45:19,850 --> 00:45:22,352
on your associates
and what you know,
805
00:45:22,419 --> 00:45:25,222
and even if you give
the right answers,
806
00:45:25,289 --> 00:45:30,327
the fact is you've divulged
all of this information,
807
00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:33,630
and this is a secret society.
You don't talk.
808
00:45:37,034 --> 00:45:42,406
Silence,
and that's tradition.
809
00:45:42,473 --> 00:45:45,008
They had two really
good lawyers,
810
00:45:45,075 --> 00:45:48,812
Bob Carter and Eddie Greenspan.
811
00:45:48,879 --> 00:45:52,449
And if those guys thought that
they could beat the charges,
812
00:45:52,516 --> 00:45:55,085
they would not have
plead guilty.
813
00:45:55,152 --> 00:45:59,923
They didn't even fight it.
They pled out.
814
00:45:59,990 --> 00:46:01,792
Their lawyer, Eddie Greenspan
815
00:46:01,859 --> 00:46:04,228
had to say in the end
that he really thought
816
00:46:04,294 --> 00:46:07,197
that Cecil Kirby was one of
the best witnesses
817
00:46:07,264 --> 00:46:12,102
that he had ever seen
in terms of an informant.
818
00:46:12,169 --> 00:46:13,937
He's pretty courageous.
819
00:46:14,004 --> 00:46:16,840
He really hates rats,
and he became a rat.
820
00:46:18,509 --> 00:46:21,011
They made a mistake.
821
00:46:21,044 --> 00:46:24,815
Kirby's not the brightest tack
in the box, the sharpest tack,
822
00:46:24,882 --> 00:46:30,888
but he was good for
what he was used for.
823
00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:36,226
But they turned on him,
he turned on them,
824
00:46:36,293 --> 00:46:38,195
and then that's the way it is.
825
00:46:43,333 --> 00:46:45,235
Four Toronto men,
826
00:46:45,269 --> 00:46:47,037
three of them members of
an organized crime family,
827
00:46:47,104 --> 00:46:50,040
pleaded guilty to conspiring
to kill Volpe.
828
00:46:50,107 --> 00:46:53,043
A $20,000 contract had
been put out on his life,
829
00:46:53,110 --> 00:46:55,179
but the reason was
never disclosed.
830
00:47:05,556 --> 00:47:08,258
It was necessary.
It had to happen.
831
00:47:08,325 --> 00:47:10,627
I had no remorse about it.
832
00:47:10,661 --> 00:47:15,399
It was the only option I could
see of an outcome with me living
833
00:47:15,465 --> 00:47:17,901
and not dying at their hand.
834
00:47:20,037 --> 00:47:24,241
Remo and Cosimo pled guilty
to all the crimes.
835
00:47:24,308 --> 00:47:28,045
They got about eight years
in jail, which isn't much,
836
00:47:28,111 --> 00:47:31,582
and that puts the end of
one chapter of their career.
837
00:47:31,648 --> 00:47:35,018
Cecil Kirby had to, after that,
live in hiding
838
00:47:35,085 --> 00:47:40,357
because he put some of the most
feared mafia in jail,
839
00:47:40,424 --> 00:47:43,827
and of course they were going
to kill him.
840
00:47:43,894 --> 00:47:46,196
But he said he was a dead man.
He could live with that.
841
00:47:46,263 --> 00:47:49,433
He thought he'd be a dead man
either way,
842
00:47:49,499 --> 00:47:53,604
whether he stayed with the
Commissos or whether he left.
843
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:57,841
What is the word on you in
the criminal world in Toronto?
844
00:47:57,908 --> 00:47:59,877
What do they think about you?
845
00:47:59,943 --> 00:48:01,478
What do they think of me?
They think I'm dead.
846
00:48:01,545 --> 00:48:03,380
They think-- they know
they'd kill me.
847
00:48:03,413 --> 00:48:06,183
They all think they'd kill me
sooner or later.
848
00:48:06,250 --> 00:48:08,218
They believe the Commissos
will get me sooner or later.
849
00:48:08,285 --> 00:48:09,586
Is there a contract on you?
850
00:48:09,653 --> 00:48:11,154
Yes, there is.
851
00:48:11,221 --> 00:48:12,456
For how much money?
852
00:48:12,522 --> 00:48:14,324
For $250,000.
853
00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:18,929
I found out about the contract
on my head
854
00:48:18,996 --> 00:48:23,267
from Sergeant Lyle McCharles of
the Ontario Provincial Police.
855
00:48:23,333 --> 00:48:26,336
He told me, and he swore
to this in court,
856
00:48:26,403 --> 00:48:30,007
that there was a bounty for me
of first it was 50,000.
857
00:48:30,073 --> 00:48:33,076
Then it was a 100,000,
then 200,000.
858
00:48:33,143 --> 00:48:36,146
This contract at one point
was close to
859
00:48:36,213 --> 00:48:38,649
about half a million dollars.
860
00:48:38,715 --> 00:48:40,384
I thought, boy,
that's pretty high.
861
00:48:40,450 --> 00:48:42,486
It's getting up there.
862
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:45,055
It's like winning the lottery,
but no winner so far.
863
00:48:47,057 --> 00:48:50,594
And who'd want to be the guy
to try and kill me?
864
00:48:52,329 --> 00:48:54,331
You think I'm not going
to fight back?
865
00:48:54,364 --> 00:48:57,935
I'm not going to shoot back?
You're damn right I'm going to.
866
00:48:58,001 --> 00:49:01,171
So if you're coming to kill me,
be prepared to die yourself.
867
00:49:02,172 --> 00:49:04,207
I don't hide.
868
00:49:04,241 --> 00:49:06,310
I just keep a low profile
except for this interview.
869
00:49:06,376 --> 00:49:10,247
I've never been afraid
of anything
870
00:49:10,314 --> 00:49:12,482
and I couldn't give a damn
what happens to Commissos.
871
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:14,618
Hopefully they'll die before me.
872
00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:18,422
I don't know why the Commissos
873
00:49:18,488 --> 00:49:21,024
wanted to have
anything done to Paul.
874
00:49:21,091 --> 00:49:24,594
There may have been some
other infringements
875
00:49:24,661 --> 00:49:29,299
on their territories
or our territories.
876
00:49:29,366 --> 00:49:32,502
There's always this animosity
between Italian mob families
877
00:49:32,569 --> 00:49:35,706
that some other family's
want them dead.
878
00:49:35,772 --> 00:49:38,075
And Volpe,
879
00:49:38,108 --> 00:49:41,111
he was more popular than
the Commissos were at the time.
880
00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:45,549
Over the years, Paul made
a lot of enemies.
881
00:49:45,615 --> 00:49:47,617
Where do you start looking?
882
00:49:47,684 --> 00:49:50,721
I only have my own thoughts
and suspicions,
883
00:49:50,787 --> 00:49:54,124
was acting like that lone wolf
and wasn't sharing.
884
00:49:54,191 --> 00:49:56,093
Paul didn't care.
885
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,228
Paul wasn't worried
about anybody.
886
00:49:58,295 --> 00:50:00,397
Some of the 'Ndrangheta people
other than the Commissos
887
00:50:00,464 --> 00:50:03,600
who were out in the street
resent him on a tape.
888
00:50:03,667 --> 00:50:07,371
I know one cop told me
that they heard
889
00:50:07,437 --> 00:50:10,574
an 'Ndrangheta boss saying,
why are they giving the money
890
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,542
to construction companies,
to Volpe?
891
00:50:12,609 --> 00:50:14,144
He doesn't do anything.
892
00:50:14,211 --> 00:50:15,545
Why don't we just get rid
of him?
893
00:50:16,713 --> 00:50:20,550
Volpe was so hot-headed that
he'd made many, many enemies.
894
00:50:20,617 --> 00:50:26,423
Volpe was already feuding
with members of the new mafia
895
00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:28,725
in Canada,
896
00:50:28,759 --> 00:50:31,395
and the story on the street
was he had double-crossed them.
897
00:50:35,766 --> 00:50:37,734
[phone rings]
898
00:50:37,801 --> 00:50:41,104
My office called Monday morning
899
00:50:41,171 --> 00:50:44,674
and said that Paul Volpe
had been reported missing.
900
00:50:46,176 --> 00:50:49,146
On a Sunday he kissed his
wife goodbye in the morning,
901
00:50:49,212 --> 00:50:52,783
said he was having lunch
with his assistant, Scarcella,
902
00:50:52,849 --> 00:50:55,152
and then he was going off
to a meeting with some
903
00:50:55,218 --> 00:50:57,187
unidentified people
at the airport.
904
00:50:58,655 --> 00:51:01,024
The last he was seen alive,
905
00:51:01,091 --> 00:51:05,128
he was at a coffee shop called
La Seine in Woodbridge.
906
00:51:05,195 --> 00:51:07,464
He was with Peter Scarcella.
907
00:51:07,531 --> 00:51:12,536
My understanding is that a short
time later, not a long time,
908
00:51:12,602 --> 00:51:16,606
his vehicle ends up parked
in the airport parking lot.
909
00:51:16,673 --> 00:51:20,110
They traced his car to the
Terminal 2 in the airport,
910
00:51:20,177 --> 00:51:23,747
blood was on the fender,
they opened the trunk.
911
00:51:27,717 --> 00:51:30,387
And found that he'd been
shot twice in the head,
912
00:51:30,454 --> 00:51:33,190
and the hit team got away
913
00:51:33,256 --> 00:51:35,425
The police plan to release
a photograph of the car
914
00:51:35,492 --> 00:51:37,661
in which Volpe's body was found.
915
00:51:37,694 --> 00:51:40,197
They're hoping someone might
have seen the late model BMW
916
00:51:40,263 --> 00:51:42,699
between Sunday morning
when he left his home
917
00:51:42,766 --> 00:51:45,368
and Monday afternoon
when he was found dead.
918
00:51:45,435 --> 00:51:46,636
It certainly has all
the earmarks
919
00:51:46,703 --> 00:51:48,572
of a very professional killing.
920
00:51:50,874 --> 00:51:53,677
What happened to Paul could have
happened from Atlantic City.
921
00:51:53,743 --> 00:51:57,214
It could have happened from
any number of different areas.
922
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,282
I don't know.
923
00:51:59,349 --> 00:52:01,051
Nor do I want to know.
924
00:52:01,751 --> 00:52:03,019
The police are still
looking for
925
00:52:03,053 --> 00:52:05,188
Volpe's killers
at his funeral today
926
00:52:05,255 --> 00:52:08,391
on the street and
in his storefront window,
927
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:11,394
We were fairly powerful.
928
00:52:11,461 --> 00:52:16,800
But, I don't know, if someone's
got a hit on you,
929
00:52:16,867 --> 00:52:18,368
you're going to get hit.
930
00:52:20,871 --> 00:52:23,840
The last person to see him
alive was Scarcella.
931
00:52:23,907 --> 00:52:27,511
Scarcella was also a target
at one point,
932
00:52:27,577 --> 00:52:30,714
but then his life was spared
for some reason.
933
00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:32,749
He had the meeting
with Scarcella,
934
00:52:32,816 --> 00:52:36,486
who, from everything I've heard,
set him up.
935
00:52:36,553 --> 00:52:38,688
Scarcella's a nasty
piece of work.
936
00:52:40,290 --> 00:52:42,125
Every time I hear
Scarcella's name,
937
00:52:42,192 --> 00:52:44,594
all I think of is three things.
938
00:52:44,661 --> 00:52:49,599
A rope, a shovel, and a hole in
the ground that he belongs in.
939
00:52:49,666 --> 00:52:51,768
He's a Judas.
940
00:52:51,801 --> 00:52:54,838
He stabbed Paul in the back,
and that's why Paul died.
941
00:53:00,944 --> 00:53:02,846
I don't care.
942
00:53:02,879 --> 00:53:03,847
They're just words,
they can't hurt me.
943
00:53:06,183 --> 00:53:10,854
They could shoot me, kill me,
but not words, nothing.
944
00:53:10,921 --> 00:53:13,423
They are murder incorporated.
Period.
945
00:53:14,991 --> 00:53:18,695
They don't care who they have to
kill or what they have to kill.
946
00:53:21,464 --> 00:53:25,936
There was obviously some dislike
between the Commissos and him
947
00:53:26,002 --> 00:53:28,538
or they would never have taken
the original contract
948
00:53:28,605 --> 00:53:30,173
to kill him,
949
00:53:30,207 --> 00:53:32,375
but I don't believe
that they did it.
950
00:53:32,442 --> 00:53:34,811
They asked me to kill
Paul Volpe.
951
00:53:34,878 --> 00:53:37,214
We saved Paul Volpe's life.
952
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,584
Commissos was going to jail for
conspiracy to murder then what,
953
00:53:40,650 --> 00:53:43,620
a year later, Paul's dead?
954
00:53:43,687 --> 00:53:45,188
What a coincidence.
955
00:53:46,957 --> 00:53:48,925
Although while they're in jail,
956
00:53:48,992 --> 00:53:50,827
it's uncertain what
they were doing
957
00:53:50,894 --> 00:53:52,729
because Volpe
was actually killed
958
00:53:52,796 --> 00:53:55,198
less than two years later.
959
00:53:55,265 --> 00:53:59,302
And whether the contract
that Remo and Cosimo gave out
960
00:53:59,369 --> 00:54:02,639
was fulfilled then through other
people in the 'Ndrangheta
961
00:54:02,706 --> 00:54:05,408
or others,
is an open question.
962
00:54:05,475 --> 00:54:08,712
You can easily get people killed
while you're in jail.
963
00:54:08,778 --> 00:54:10,614
And in fact, 40 years later,
964
00:54:10,647 --> 00:54:12,849
no one has been charged
with Volpe's murder.
965
00:54:21,725 --> 00:54:23,960
Commissos emerged from prison.
966
00:54:23,994 --> 00:54:28,865
They were much more low key,
far more sophisticated crimes,
967
00:54:28,932 --> 00:54:31,668
money laundering,
real estate fraud.
968
00:54:33,937 --> 00:54:36,873
They would certainly be a lot
more careful about anybody
969
00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:40,043
they dealt with outside of
their own community.
970
00:54:40,110 --> 00:54:42,045
Now you got to see
that Cecil Kirby
971
00:54:42,112 --> 00:54:44,047
was not in their community,
972
00:54:44,114 --> 00:54:45,482
but they're going
to be a lot smarter
973
00:54:45,548 --> 00:54:47,417
before that ever happens again.
974
00:55:03,633 --> 00:55:06,936
All organized crime,
they need facilitators.
975
00:55:07,003 --> 00:55:10,340
Joe Ferraro was a Commisso
family associate
976
00:55:10,407 --> 00:55:12,042
who was operating
out of Toronto.
977
00:55:12,108 --> 00:55:13,843
His nickname was Joey Limousine.
978
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:15,912
Because he ran a limousine
company,
979
00:55:15,979 --> 00:55:19,316
He was also able
to manipulate things.
980
00:55:19,382 --> 00:55:23,787
He was very boisterous
how he dressed and behaves.
981
00:55:23,853 --> 00:55:26,690
He wasn't afraid
to make enemies.
982
00:55:26,756 --> 00:55:29,025
He was also muscle.
983
00:55:29,092 --> 00:55:30,927
He was an enforcer.
984
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,429
He would go around
trying to collect debts.
985
00:55:32,495 --> 00:55:34,197
He's violent.
986
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:36,766
He's been known to cut
people's limbs off.
987
00:55:36,833 --> 00:55:38,034
This is a serious dude.
988
00:55:38,101 --> 00:55:40,203
Joe Ferraro,
989
00:55:40,236 --> 00:55:41,705
in addition to being muscle
for the Italian mob,
990
00:55:41,771 --> 00:55:44,908
is also an alleged drug
trafficker for the 'Ndrangheta
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