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(ORCHESTRA PLAYING)
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* The hangman's got a hard-on
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* The pretty minstrels sway
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* The pundit reeks of coffin
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* The banker rapes a maid
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* We will not sing
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* In your damn parade
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(SINGING)
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* We will not sing
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* In your damn parade
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* We will not sing
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* In your damn parade
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* We will not sing
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* In your damn parade
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* We will not sing
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JESSICA MOSS:
They were really
serious people
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that were taking
the world seriously.
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When I heard that
they were thinking about
expanding their band
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I jumped at the opportunity.
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(VOCALIZING)
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EFRIM MENUCK:
We made this decision
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that we were going
to be a touring band.
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We were going to be
able to throw our shit
on any stage anywhere
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any day of the week
and at least win over
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a handful of people
in the room.
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* Some! Hearts! Are! True!
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* Some! Hearts! Are! True!
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Every song Mt. Zion
has ever played
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has sort of had the same
basic theme to it.
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That, you know, things
are bad now and they
have to get better,
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which will get you heckled
at a lot of places
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if you start
talking about that stuff.
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But people are good
and together we can
do anything.
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(CROWD CHEERING)
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MENUCK: Merci. Merci. Merci.
Thank you.
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(BABY GURGLING)
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MOSS: Oh, there we go,
see that's good.
Let him hear it.
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MOSS: We never considered
not touring with Ezra.
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We were making a record.
We were going to tour
as much as we could.
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I was worried but I felt
really confident as well.
I knew we could do it.
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We toured through
North America and Europe.
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He went from six months
to nine months
during that period.
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I've put it in such
a safety deposit box
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and put it so far out
in the back of my head.
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It was incredibly difficult.
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For both of us.
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It was an incredibly
difficult experience.
It really was.
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It was pretty lonely
and isolating
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and there was not
very much sleep.
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And I felt
so on the outside
of my band on that tour.
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I felt like a burden.
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(SINGING)
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MENUCK: I just felt
guilt and inadequacy
on that tour,
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on the parenting front.
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I felt incapable
of doing more.
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MOSS: We sort of got separated
into these traditional roles
very quickly.
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All I knew how to do
was keep this baby happy.
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Efrim needed to be out
in the world taking care
of everything else.
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* I built myself a metal bird
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* I fed my metal bird
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MOSS: On the other hand,
you know, we did it.
We did it.
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You know, I look at
the photos and it was
incredible what we did.
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Ezra was learning
how to stand and walk
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on the bus
while it was moving.
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You want me
to write a dog?
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You want me
to write a train?
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I'm going to
write you a train.
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Say, "Hi, camera."
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MENUCK: If it weren't
for getting to know
Jessica's family,
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I have no experience
with good familial
relationships.
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Even though I loved Ezra
I didn't know how to
relate to him so much.
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I think I was
emotionally absent
almost all of the time.
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MOSS: We were both
very unprepared
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for the enormity
of having an infant.
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MENUCK: I didn't get
too freaked out when I was
broke before, you know?
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Now I get super anxious.
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Any touring musician,
your bank account
is going to go up
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and they get drained
almost immediately.
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Like anyone who's
doing contract work.
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The expenses of touring for us
have gone through the roof.
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It's a lot more expensive
for us to tour now.
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We have to
bring a nanny,
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we have to tour
in a tour bus,
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which we never considered
doing before we had a kid.
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I mean, you know,
those are huge expenses.
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Most of my head now
is consumed with this idea
that I have to provide.
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Daddy. Oh, Daddy.
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(INAUDIBLE)
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(EZRA TALKING INDISTINCTLY)
MOSS: Yeah. I'll bet.
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EZRA: Go bye-bye.
Go bye-bye.
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We've been together six
or seven years now.
Seven years almost.
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This is the first time
where we're not doing
the same thing.
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And it's Godspeed so there's
like, you know, thousands
of adoring fans every night.
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And I'm getting up
and going to the
Y playgroup, you know?
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Going to the cafe.
Yeah.
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And this is my life
and I know it's not
forever but...
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You're a wife.
So crazy.
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Like, I'm at home.
But I feel like it's
going to go by...
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I'm a stay-at-home mom.
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You're a
stay-at-home-mom,
you really are.
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If you look at it on paper,
Efrim's off working
and bringing home the bacon.
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Mmm-hmm.
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Jessica's at home
with the baby,
cooking and cleaning.
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You want a book?
This one?
No.
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This one?
No.
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This one?
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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That.
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That's water
you put on the tray.
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That's water
you put on the tray.
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That's water
in the book.
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You're smart.
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MOSS: This is a collage
I made for Efrim's record.
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It's the first
artwork I've done
since Ezra was born.
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I think we might
photograph it.
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I just want to make sure
it doesn't look like ever
it was in Photoshop.
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This record
that Efrim's making
is very personal
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and I think it's
pretty incredible
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that he's asked
for a painting of him
and Ezra on the cover.
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I do too.
When I started to paint it,
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I thought, "Okay,
I have to be prepared
that it might be...
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"End up being too much..."
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Right. For him.
Like he might...
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Yeah, he told me
on the phone how much
he loves it.
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Okay, good.
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What do you see?
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(BABY TALK)
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NADIA MOSS:
He did something that he
artistically wanted to do
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from something
he had in his heart.
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Like a poetic response
to his son.
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He has the time, I guess
and the luxury of making
like this beautiful...
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And the support.
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And the support to make
a piece of art
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about his son
and fatherhood
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and it's beautiful.
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I mean, you get to
have a lot of things
but I don't...
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You don't get to step back,
I guess, from the situation,
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the parenting,
and like respond to it.
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Don't you find that art
about motherhood is...
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There's an aspect
of like... (SHUDDERS)
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Yeah, I know.
Why?
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...not interested.
I know.
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Isn't that weird?
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Still, to this day,
women's narratives
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are not considered as
interesting and that's
just all there is to it
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but I think maybe
there's something else.
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Like there's
the time aspect.
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Or that's what
I'm realizing...
But I think that's it.
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...from watching you
is like...
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There's the
time aspect.
It's the time.
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I just wish that I
could be a father.
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Like I don't think
I want to be a mom.
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Nadia's going to
take you for a walk.
Mama.
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It's cold out.
(CRYING)
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Ezra, it's freezing out.
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We're going for a walk.
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MOSS: There's no question
in my mind that I wanted
and want to have kids.
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NADIA: Mmm-hmm.
I've always known that.
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MOSS: But as I got older
and as my life became
about being in a rock band
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and being an artist
and being an
independent lady,
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I stepped away
from wanting to have kids
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as soon as I could
because I knew that
once I did,
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it would mean...
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That I would become
this mother.
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There's this bizarre thing
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that you become a mother
and you become like
kind of grotesque, you know?
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Even though everyone
will say to you, "Oh, it's so
amazing what you're doing.
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"It's so wonderful."
You know?
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"Wow."
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But at the same time
you feel this kind of
pulling away.
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Like, holy shit,
where did everybody go?
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Everything changed,
you know?
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I started playing
when I was five
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with the idea that it
could be something
serious in my life.
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It was forced upon me
and now, of course,
I'm so grateful that it was.
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(SINGING)
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Growing up it feels
like anything is possible.
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And the moment that you
become a mother it stops
feeling that way.
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All of a sudden
we become less
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even though in our
own tiny little world
we become huge
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because we become
somebody's mother.
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I want so much
to go back to what
I was doing.
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MENUCK: In this one,
she's going like this...
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(VOCALIZES)
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In this one,
he's going like this...
(VOCALIZES LOUDER)
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In this one,
she's going like this...
(VOCALIZES LOUDER)
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In this one,
she's going like this...
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(VOCALIZES LOUDER)
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I wanna do it again.
All right.
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MENUCK: I would give my right
arm to have like, you know,
six months at home.
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In this one,
she's going like this...
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MENUCK: The mother's job
is so much harder
than the father's job.
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And the gender balance
gets totally knocked
on its ass.
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You think you're doing
a good job with that stuff
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and then you have
a kid and all of a sudden
you realize
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that you're totally lame
with that stuff.
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Look at that.
Look at the camera.
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MENUCK: In Ezra's first year,
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Godspeed started
rehearsing full time,
like a day job,
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and it was reaching
this point where I felt
like the cliche.
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I was coming home from
practices like, you know,
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"I need a drink,"
and like practically
loosening my necktie
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and then Jessica
had been with Ezra
the whole day and...
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(BABY TALK)
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We have to figure out
something else other than
me being on the road
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and you being
at home, right?
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I don't want that.
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* Hearts! Are! True!
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* Some! Hearts! Are! True!
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* Some! Hearts!
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DAVE PAYANT: I can think
of a couple of friends
of mine,
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musicians who in the last
few years have had kids
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and they don't do the
music so much anymore.
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I think Efrim and Jessica
are showing that it's
possible, but I don't know
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if their example
is enough to inspire
the courage for me to...
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I don't know how...
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Personally how I would fare
in the same situation.
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* True!
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* Some! Hearts! Are! True!
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PAYANT: So as Ezra's
godfather, you are to be
his spiritual advisor?
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Is that one of the, uh...
I don't really know.
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What's the job description
of a godfather?
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(WHISTLING)
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THIERRY AMAR: I see it
as just someone
who's a protector
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and someone
who's there for him.
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And I think we're lucky
to be in a band
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where most of us are
really close and we're
really good friends.
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(SINGING)
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MENUCK: Most bands don't
share anything equally.
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You know,
once money comes in,
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generally most of the
money goes to one
or two people in the band.
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And that's a sure-fire way
to earn a living
in this business.
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You know, if you take
more than your bandmates do
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00:21:06,165 --> 00:21:09,168
then you'll probably
be okay.
235
00:21:09,235 --> 00:21:11,338
To me that's dishonest.
236
00:21:11,404 --> 00:21:14,273
We're committed
to the idea of wealth
redistribution, you know?
237
00:21:14,341 --> 00:21:17,276
The rich shouldn't be
so rich and the poor
shouldn't be so poor.
238
00:21:17,344 --> 00:21:21,548
So why would we
replicate any of that
class system
239
00:21:21,614 --> 00:21:23,783
in our own band
dynamic, right?
240
00:21:25,685 --> 00:21:29,589
EZRA: Six! One, two,
three, four, six!
241
00:21:33,526 --> 00:21:35,695
EZRA: One, two, three,
242
00:21:35,762 --> 00:21:37,564
four, six!
243
00:21:42,335 --> 00:21:46,873
SOPHIE TRUDEAU: We have
to make a little money but
we live pretty simple lives.
244
00:21:46,939 --> 00:21:48,741
We're not extravagant
245
00:21:48,808 --> 00:21:52,445
and success is being able
to do what you love doing
246
00:21:52,512 --> 00:21:54,981
and not having
to compromise.
247
00:21:55,047 --> 00:21:59,285
That I haven't had a job
for the past ten years
248
00:21:59,352 --> 00:22:01,320
is pretty much
my success.
249
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,308
(BABY TALK)
250
00:22:24,711 --> 00:22:26,345
MENUCK: The sides of the...
251
00:22:26,413 --> 00:22:28,247
Have to keep the
workflow going.
252
00:22:28,314 --> 00:22:29,449
They're labeled for...
253
00:22:34,854 --> 00:22:37,390
PAYANT: You guys want to stack
these in order?
254
00:22:37,457 --> 00:22:39,792
MENUCK: Why not just number
them after they're folded?
255
00:22:47,767 --> 00:22:50,102
AMAR: We're like a
neighborhood grocery store.
256
00:22:53,540 --> 00:22:57,577
We earn, you know, basically
a lower middle-class living
257
00:22:57,644 --> 00:23:02,415
and I feel content
with that if it could last.
258
00:23:04,817 --> 00:23:06,986
If we don't finish,
worst-case scenario
259
00:23:07,053 --> 00:23:09,789
is we bring the box
on the bus and at
some point I'll finish it.
260
00:23:09,856 --> 00:23:12,224
MENUCK: And this idea
that you could earn
a wealthy living
261
00:23:12,291 --> 00:23:15,127
playing music
is a recent innovation.
262
00:23:16,829 --> 00:23:19,866
For centuries, musicians
were the lowest rung
of the ladder.
263
00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:21,734
We're like
the degenerates,
264
00:23:21,801 --> 00:23:24,537
the people who like
played for pennies
in the town square.
265
00:23:24,604 --> 00:23:27,106
We identify
with that tradition.
266
00:23:32,545 --> 00:23:37,584
* Citizens in their homes
267
00:23:37,650 --> 00:23:42,288
* Missiles in their holes
268
00:23:42,354 --> 00:23:46,493
* Citizens in their homes
269
00:23:55,201 --> 00:24:01,774
* They built themselves
a beauty by the ton *
270
00:24:01,841 --> 00:24:03,476
MENUCK: I feel like
before that happened,
271
00:24:03,543 --> 00:24:05,077
when I would look
at Mt. Zion I felt like
272
00:24:05,144 --> 00:24:07,647
Mt. Zion was just
sort of an orphaned band.
273
00:24:07,714 --> 00:24:10,382
We didn't feel much
in common with anything
274
00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:12,151
contemporary,
but at the same time
275
00:24:12,218 --> 00:24:17,089
we weren't playing
old-timey music either.
276
00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:20,560
And playing with Vic sort
of opened up this idea
that "Fuck, no," you know,
277
00:24:20,627 --> 00:24:22,562
like we're working
within a tradition.
278
00:24:34,006 --> 00:24:38,144
MOSS: We write music
that's like harder than
what we can actually play.
279
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:42,114
We just end up making
these impossible songs
280
00:24:42,181 --> 00:24:45,918
and then we sing them
even though we can't sing
very well.
281
00:24:58,264 --> 00:25:05,504
I constantly feel like
my position as a musician
in the world is tenuous.
282
00:25:05,572 --> 00:25:09,341
Like I constantly feel like
I'm going to turn the corner
and it will be gone.
283
00:25:11,143 --> 00:25:13,079
Why is it that there
are so few women
284
00:25:13,145 --> 00:25:15,114
in their mid-30s
and beyond in bands?
285
00:25:16,382 --> 00:25:18,284
We're the veterans now.
I know.
286
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,019
It's like, who's...
We made it!
287
00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:24,190
It's the golden years now!
(LAUGHS)
288
00:25:24,256 --> 00:25:25,925
Or did we? I don't know,
you know? It's...
289
00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:29,161
MOSS: Right now
I'm just thinking,
290
00:25:29,228 --> 00:25:31,463
"Okay, what's going to go
in Ezra's suitcase?
291
00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:33,866
"What's going to keep him
occupied when he's bugging
everybody else?"
292
00:25:36,068 --> 00:25:37,670
Just thinking
about him constantly
293
00:25:37,737 --> 00:25:41,440
and his well-being
and then how can I
keep him feeling great
294
00:25:41,507 --> 00:25:44,243
so that everyone else
can feel great.
295
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:47,647
So I don't feel this guilt
and responsibility of...
296
00:25:49,882 --> 00:25:51,951
The fact of him,
you know what I mean?
297
00:25:52,018 --> 00:25:54,821
Fix it, Mommy.
298
00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:56,689
No one would
ever say this to me,
299
00:25:56,756 --> 00:25:58,591
but I do
sometimes question,
300
00:25:58,658 --> 00:26:02,161
like wouldn't it be
easier for everybody
if I just quit, you know?
301
00:26:03,162 --> 00:26:04,664
I feel that within me.
302
00:26:04,731 --> 00:26:07,066
I don't feel that
from anybody else,
I feel that within me.
303
00:26:07,133 --> 00:26:08,500
You can't even
think about it.
304
00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:11,103
You can't tour
without your child.
305
00:26:11,170 --> 00:26:12,839
And our husbands
would never be thinking
306
00:26:12,905 --> 00:26:18,177
about what to put
in the arts and crafts
package for the bus.
307
00:26:18,244 --> 00:26:22,348
And I think that's like
the heart of the matter.
308
00:26:22,414 --> 00:26:25,618
It's like as a mother
you can't escape that.
309
00:26:25,685 --> 00:26:28,454
NATALIA YANCHAK:
Now the band isn't my first
priority, I have this child.
310
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,389
My family is
my first priority.
311
00:26:32,959 --> 00:26:35,327
MOSS: What if we break him?
312
00:26:35,394 --> 00:26:37,596
I don't think we're
going to break him.
313
00:26:37,664 --> 00:26:39,799
We might break him.
We might break him
a little bit.
314
00:26:41,133 --> 00:26:42,902
We'll see what happens.
You know?
315
00:26:42,969 --> 00:26:44,203
We'll see how it goes.
316
00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:46,372
I think we both have
the feeling and Efrim
317
00:26:46,438 --> 00:26:48,675
keeps reminding me of this
is that
318
00:26:48,741 --> 00:26:52,278
it would be so much easier
not to do it, and...
319
00:26:52,344 --> 00:26:55,047
But if we don't do
it then, you know...
320
00:26:55,114 --> 00:26:56,716
We have to do it.
Like we just have to do it.
321
00:26:56,783 --> 00:26:58,084
We have to try.
322
00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:01,754
(CROWD CHEERING)
323
00:27:05,224 --> 00:27:08,027
MENUCK: We are
the Silver Mt. Zion
Memorial Orchestra
324
00:27:08,094 --> 00:27:09,428
from Montreal, Quebec.
325
00:27:41,093 --> 00:27:42,528
(EZRA SPEAKING)
326
00:27:42,594 --> 00:27:44,096
Yeah, it's morning time.
327
00:27:54,606 --> 00:27:57,209
MOSS: To get to
the most places in
the least amount of time,
328
00:27:57,276 --> 00:28:00,679
we're basically driving
for a week straight.
329
00:28:00,747 --> 00:28:03,983
Not only drive at night
but we drive in the day too.
330
00:28:05,718 --> 00:28:09,889
Half the band
just stays in bed, which
I totally understand.
331
00:28:22,268 --> 00:28:24,170
(EZRA CRYING)
332
00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:55,001
(INAUDIBLE)
333
00:29:10,116 --> 00:29:12,618
MENUCK: The hours you keep
when you're on the road
334
00:29:12,684 --> 00:29:15,221
are exactly the worst
hours to raise a kid.
335
00:29:23,629 --> 00:29:28,234
When we have to drive
is the time when he should
not be cooped up in a van.
336
00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:33,739
When we have
to go to work
337
00:29:33,806 --> 00:29:35,507
is when we
should be with him
338
00:29:35,574 --> 00:29:37,043
getting him ready
to go to bed.
339
00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:38,410
I mean, it's all
topsy-turvy.
340
00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:49,822
(EZRA SPEAKING)
341
00:29:52,024 --> 00:29:56,395
So many buses,
so many buses.
342
00:29:56,462 --> 00:30:00,366
So many buses,
so many buses.
343
00:30:00,432 --> 00:30:02,801
AMBER: You wanna ride
for a bit, sweetheart?
344
00:30:02,869 --> 00:30:04,170
You getting tired?
345
00:30:05,637 --> 00:30:06,638
Okay, baby.
346
00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:12,411
Everyone's okay?
347
00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:15,281
They're treating
you well here?
They're treating you okay?
348
00:30:15,347 --> 00:30:17,984
They're not ripping you off
on drinks or I don't know,
349
00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:20,619
searching you
unnecessarily
or anything?
350
00:30:20,686 --> 00:30:23,022
Does anyone else
have a question?
351
00:30:23,089 --> 00:30:25,791
MAN: Play music!
You fuckin' play music.
352
00:30:25,858 --> 00:30:27,960
What the fuck?
(CROWD LAUGHS)
353
00:30:28,027 --> 00:30:29,595
Anyone else have
a question?
354
00:30:38,270 --> 00:30:40,739
TRUDEAU: Last year
I was gone nine months,
you know?
355
00:30:41,874 --> 00:30:43,675
Like just so much.
356
00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:49,781
Having Tim on
the road makes it...
357
00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:51,350
It's like,
"Oh, let's go on tour."
358
00:30:51,417 --> 00:30:53,352
One, two.
Hey, one, two.
359
00:30:55,354 --> 00:30:59,725
TRUDEAU: And who knows,
maybe I'll want to have
kids someday.
360
00:30:59,791 --> 00:31:02,594
But Tim is not so excited
about touring with kids.
361
00:31:02,661 --> 00:31:04,296
So we'd have
to figure it out.
362
00:31:13,339 --> 00:31:14,340
MAN: Ezra!
363
00:31:22,714 --> 00:31:26,518
MOSS: If you want
to run, sweetie,
you can run to me, okay? Run!
364
00:31:54,613 --> 00:31:55,614
Oh!
365
00:31:59,318 --> 00:32:00,319
Ha!
366
00:32:01,153 --> 00:32:02,521
(EZRA SPEAKING)
367
00:32:03,555 --> 00:32:05,424
(ALL LAUGHING)
368
00:32:05,491 --> 00:32:07,726
MENUCK: No toys
for Christmas this year.
369
00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:21,440
MOSS: Some beautiful art.
370
00:32:40,259 --> 00:32:41,727
MENUCK: What shampoo
do I use?
371
00:32:41,793 --> 00:32:44,963
I use your mother's shampoo.
She gave it to me personally.
372
00:32:45,031 --> 00:32:46,765
If you come closer
I smell like your mother.
373
00:32:46,832 --> 00:32:49,101
Anyone else have
a question?
374
00:32:49,168 --> 00:32:51,737
MENUCK: When you earn most of
your living playing music
for drunk people,
375
00:32:51,803 --> 00:32:55,441
where the bar's
in the room, it's not really
about you on any given night,
376
00:32:55,507 --> 00:32:57,976
it's about a whole lot
of other things in the room,
you know?
377
00:32:58,044 --> 00:33:01,447
As opposed to in a theater
where everyone's seated
378
00:33:01,513 --> 00:33:03,215
and it's very hushed
and very quiet.
379
00:33:03,282 --> 00:33:04,750
MENUCK: We're all stuck
with each other.
380
00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:07,219
We all of us stink.
We all of us smell bad.
381
00:33:07,286 --> 00:33:08,820
We all of us
make bad smells.
382
00:33:08,887 --> 00:33:10,722
We all of us make
bad decisions.
383
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:14,460
We all of us say shitty things
to people we love
just because we feel hurt.
384
00:33:14,526 --> 00:33:17,596
But we're stuck
with each other, yes?
385
00:33:17,663 --> 00:33:20,632
MENUCK: There's nights where
we just lose them within
five minutes, you know?
386
00:33:20,699 --> 00:33:23,535
An audience that
totally came there
to be, you know,
387
00:33:23,602 --> 00:33:25,037
to watch the show
and be quiet
388
00:33:25,104 --> 00:33:27,406
and some nights
we just lose them like that
389
00:33:27,473 --> 00:33:30,142
and they just start
talking amongst themselves.
390
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:36,182
I think it's the healthiest
way for music to be
presented.
391
00:33:36,248 --> 00:33:39,418
It's good to feel some
sort of resistance
392
00:33:39,485 --> 00:33:41,253
when you're putting things
into this world, you know?
393
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,989
If there's no resistance
then it's a little too easy.
394
00:33:44,056 --> 00:33:45,724
(SINGING)
395
00:33:47,893 --> 00:33:49,995
MENUCK: Stop! Stop!
396
00:33:50,062 --> 00:33:52,664
Come on back.
Come on back.
397
00:33:52,731 --> 00:33:55,967
Just be gentle with
the seats and the stands,
don't break anything.
398
00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:58,637
Everybody's gentle,
everything will be fine.
399
00:34:16,922 --> 00:34:22,428
* Can't live on
their remainders
400
00:34:29,301 --> 00:34:34,106
* They are burning
half the world *
401
00:34:50,622 --> 00:34:52,324
(EZRA CRYING)
402
00:34:53,225 --> 00:34:54,726
There's a hole here.
403
00:34:56,262 --> 00:34:57,663
(CRIES)
404
00:34:59,931 --> 00:35:02,268
You just got
scared?
Yeah.
405
00:35:08,073 --> 00:35:10,276
So I guess we don't play
right around here, huh?
406
00:35:10,342 --> 00:35:11,710
(CRYING)
407
00:35:13,979 --> 00:35:15,547
I guess we don't play
right around here.
408
00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:17,549
That's okay, we don't have
to play right here.
409
00:35:17,616 --> 00:35:19,185
Fell down right
in there.
410
00:35:19,251 --> 00:35:20,386
What happened?
411
00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:22,554
I fell down
right in there.
412
00:35:22,621 --> 00:35:24,490
You fell down
right in there.
413
00:35:24,556 --> 00:35:25,691
Yeah.
414
00:35:25,757 --> 00:35:27,326
Here, let's move
away from it
415
00:35:27,393 --> 00:35:30,196
so we don't fall
down right in there
anymore, okay?
416
00:35:30,262 --> 00:35:33,131
I wanna go away.
Come sweetie.
417
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:35,334
MOSS: Say it one
more time.
EZRA: Gap is mean.
418
00:35:35,401 --> 00:35:37,469
I don't know
what that means.
419
00:35:37,536 --> 00:35:39,571
MAN: He's saying the gap.
Oh, the gap.
420
00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:42,073
You got stuck
in the gap.
Yeah, you did.
421
00:35:44,976 --> 00:35:46,578
Oh.
Oh.
422
00:35:46,645 --> 00:35:48,414
MOSS: It's easy to
withdraw back into,
423
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,883
"It's never going to work.
It can't work. It can't work."
424
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:53,151
Can you go
find me a snack?
425
00:35:53,219 --> 00:35:54,953
Can you go with Amber
and find Mommy a snack?
426
00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:58,224
I want a snack too!
427
00:35:58,290 --> 00:35:59,758
You want a snack too?
428
00:35:59,825 --> 00:36:01,560
Okay, here sweetie.
Here's Amber's hand.
429
00:36:01,627 --> 00:36:03,262
She's going to find you
a snack okay?
430
00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:04,596
(EZRA CRYING)
431
00:36:04,663 --> 00:36:08,400
I want two snacks.
Yeah. Two snacks.
432
00:36:08,467 --> 00:36:11,470
MOSS: How can it be possible
to be the kind of parent
that I want to be
433
00:36:11,537 --> 00:36:16,975
and to be the kind
of person who can
continue to
434
00:36:17,042 --> 00:36:19,711
make some kind of living
doing what I love.
435
00:36:23,148 --> 00:36:24,483
Is it selfish?
436
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:27,619
Or is it the best thing
you can do for your kid
437
00:36:27,686 --> 00:36:29,755
is showing them
that you're doing
what you love.
438
00:36:29,821 --> 00:36:34,426
* And the day has come
439
00:36:34,493 --> 00:36:40,432
* When we no longer feel
440
00:36:40,499 --> 00:36:43,469
How's fatherhood?
It's difficult,
but it's great.
441
00:36:43,535 --> 00:36:44,903
Thank you
for asking.
442
00:36:47,873 --> 00:36:49,475
He's on tour with us.
443
00:36:50,509 --> 00:36:55,614
He plays spittle mouth,
gurgle face.
444
00:36:55,681 --> 00:36:59,150
He's pretty good
at all those things.
445
00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:01,587
MOSS: So far, it's worth it.
446
00:37:03,355 --> 00:37:05,557
As long as it's okay
with Ezra.
447
00:37:05,624 --> 00:37:09,861
If it starts seeming
not okay with Ezra
then I'll have to rethink it.
448
00:37:55,607 --> 00:37:58,209
MENUCK: I guess having
a child is the first thing
in my life that...
449
00:37:58,276 --> 00:38:00,446
Other than having
a checking account,
450
00:38:00,512 --> 00:38:03,849
that's easily relatable
to most people
in the world.
451
00:38:13,224 --> 00:38:14,693
I had a weird upbringing.
452
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,795
Strange childhood,
strange adolescence,
453
00:38:16,862 --> 00:38:18,897
difficult young adult,
you know,
454
00:38:18,964 --> 00:38:20,866
incredibly poor
for a few years.
455
00:38:22,701 --> 00:38:24,870
Being unemployed
and being homeless
456
00:38:24,936 --> 00:38:27,138
and stealing food
to eat, you know?
457
00:38:27,205 --> 00:38:28,974
Begging for change
on the street.
458
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,676
Like all that stuff,
you know?
459
00:38:34,913 --> 00:38:38,149
So having a kid
makes it feel
less like a weirdo.
460
00:38:43,689 --> 00:38:45,391
(PLAYING HARMONICA)
461
00:38:52,531 --> 00:38:55,100
MENUCK: This song is
about throwing bricks
through windows.
462
00:38:55,166 --> 00:38:56,267
And love.
463
00:38:57,168 --> 00:38:59,505
Simultaneously.
464
00:38:59,571 --> 00:39:01,607
It's called
Microphones in the Trees.
465
00:39:01,673 --> 00:39:02,674
(CROWD CHEERS)
466
00:39:05,911 --> 00:39:08,213
You ready for snack time?
I got us some strawberries.
467
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:12,283
Strawberries.
468
00:39:13,151 --> 00:39:14,352
Strawberries.
469
00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:25,063
(MENUCK SINGING)
470
00:40:07,673 --> 00:40:09,775
(SINGING)
471
00:40:57,989 --> 00:41:03,194
AMAR: It's easy sometimes
to lose perspective when
you're on tour, you know?
472
00:41:03,261 --> 00:41:06,164
Just doesn't really
feel like real life
after a few weeks.
473
00:41:11,603 --> 00:41:13,371
Ezra feels like real life.
474
00:41:17,643 --> 00:41:20,512
He's super happy to be awake
475
00:41:20,579 --> 00:41:22,280
at five in the morning
476
00:41:22,347 --> 00:41:24,783
talking to me and I was like,
477
00:41:24,850 --> 00:41:26,184
"Do you want to talk
to your parents?
478
00:41:26,251 --> 00:41:27,886
"Are you worried?
Are you..."
479
00:41:27,953 --> 00:41:30,121
He was totally
less worried than me
about anything, you know?
480
00:41:30,188 --> 00:41:31,890
He was so...
481
00:41:31,957 --> 00:41:34,025
"I in my bunk! Is bumpy!"
482
00:41:34,092 --> 00:41:36,261
You know it's just like,
fuck this is great!
483
00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:39,264
I can't believe
we're on the road
484
00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:42,200
with this little
jiggly guy, you know?
485
00:41:43,969 --> 00:41:46,204
What is that?
486
00:41:46,271 --> 00:41:50,341
Like bench press?
Okay let's finish.
What do you think?
487
00:41:52,410 --> 00:41:54,279
MOSS: Okay, I'm gonna go,
sweet pea.
488
00:41:54,345 --> 00:41:56,047
I'm just going to go
do the loading out
489
00:41:56,114 --> 00:41:57,348
and then I can
see you right after.
490
00:41:58,049 --> 00:41:59,050
Okay?
491
00:42:00,318 --> 00:42:03,088
Wanna go outside too.
492
00:42:03,154 --> 00:42:05,757
You wanna go
outside too?
493
00:42:05,824 --> 00:42:08,426
Sweetie, I know.
It's gonna be short,
I promise.
494
00:42:08,493 --> 00:42:10,929
It won't be
hard today.
Want you.
495
00:42:10,996 --> 00:42:12,130
I know baby.
496
00:42:12,798 --> 00:42:14,032
(MURMURS)
497
00:42:14,099 --> 00:42:16,602
Portland!
Sneakers!
498
00:42:16,668 --> 00:42:18,604
MOSS: If I didn't take
some morning times
499
00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:21,306
then Amber would
never get time off,
500
00:42:21,372 --> 00:42:23,809
like on big driving days.
501
00:42:23,875 --> 00:42:25,711
That job is incredibly hard
502
00:42:25,777 --> 00:42:29,080
because you are
working all the time.
There are no days off.
503
00:42:29,915 --> 00:42:32,083
There's your pinecone.
504
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:34,452
It's another gloomy
post-rock number.
505
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:36,622
MAN: Whoo! We like that.
506
00:42:38,590 --> 00:42:42,761
MOSS: The roles that
we play in the band,
they're very different.
507
00:42:42,828 --> 00:42:45,163
MENUCK: It's still totally
unequal on the road
508
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:49,067
and I think
it always will be.
509
00:42:49,134 --> 00:42:51,637
MOSS: Like even...
Not even just morning times,
but just in general,
510
00:42:51,703 --> 00:42:56,074
being on tour, like the bulk
of the parenting role
will fall on me.
511
00:42:56,141 --> 00:42:58,076
...no secular rock.
(CROWD LAUGHS)
512
00:43:00,045 --> 00:43:03,514
MOSS: Efrim has,
you know, a huge amount
of mental strain
513
00:43:03,581 --> 00:43:08,119
to make the thing happen,
to make the show happen.
514
00:43:08,186 --> 00:43:11,456
We're both working very hard
but in very different ways.
515
00:43:13,892 --> 00:43:16,061
I joined the band.
516
00:43:16,127 --> 00:43:18,063
You joined the band?
517
00:43:23,034 --> 00:43:24,369
Jessica just quit.
518
00:43:24,435 --> 00:43:25,671
(CROWD LAUGHING)
519
00:43:29,507 --> 00:43:33,544
MOSS: But I think we are
learning a language
of how to make it feel
520
00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:38,149
like we're walking arm in arm
as opposed to miles away
from each other.
521
00:43:40,385 --> 00:43:44,322
* And the day has come
522
00:43:44,389 --> 00:43:49,494
* When we no longer feel
523
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,632
* And the day has come
524
00:43:54,700 --> 00:44:00,271
* When we no longer feel
525
00:44:00,338 --> 00:44:05,043
* And the day has come
526
00:44:05,110 --> 00:44:10,281
* When we no longer feel
527
00:44:10,348 --> 00:44:15,620
* And the day has come
528
00:44:15,687 --> 00:44:20,525
* When we no longer feel
529
00:44:20,591 --> 00:44:25,764
* And the day has come
530
00:44:25,831 --> 00:44:31,036
* When we no longer feel
531
00:44:36,775 --> 00:44:38,744
(MAN SPEAKING)
532
00:44:38,810 --> 00:44:42,613
Uh, because they're made out
of like very good material
533
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,950
so they won't fall apart.
It's the bare truth.
534
00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:48,119
And they're environmentally
sound and they're made
in Canada.
535
00:44:48,186 --> 00:44:50,722
We could've gotten
you a cheap Chinese
t-shirt but we didn't.
536
00:44:50,789 --> 00:44:52,858
We're fairly ambivalent
about the whole t-shirt thing
537
00:44:52,924 --> 00:44:55,060
but guess what?
None you all buy
records anymore, so...
538
00:44:58,329 --> 00:44:59,564
WOMAN: I do!
539
00:44:59,630 --> 00:45:01,499
I know some of you do.
Sorry none of you.
540
00:45:01,566 --> 00:45:03,234
Most of you all don't
buy records anymore.
541
00:45:03,301 --> 00:45:04,836
MAN 2: Can I
download a shirt?
542
00:45:04,903 --> 00:45:07,005
You can download
the shirt, yeah.
543
00:45:07,072 --> 00:45:08,073
(ALL LAUGHING)
544
00:45:11,843 --> 00:45:13,144
MENUCK: Piracy.
545
00:45:13,211 --> 00:45:15,280
I think the most
important records
546
00:45:15,346 --> 00:45:17,582
that I ever heard
in my life were things
547
00:45:17,648 --> 00:45:20,585
that I taped on cassette
from people who had more
money than me.
548
00:45:20,651 --> 00:45:22,553
I think that's
a lovely thing.
549
00:45:26,191 --> 00:45:30,896
How do you make a living
as an artist when everything
is on the Internet for free?
550
00:45:30,962 --> 00:45:33,198
I have no problem with
people getting stuff for free.
551
00:45:33,264 --> 00:45:35,433
It's just people
are getting rich
552
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:39,838
and it's not the people
that are actually providing
content for the Internet.
553
00:45:39,905 --> 00:45:41,372
It's Apple
that's getting rich,
554
00:45:41,439 --> 00:45:43,108
it's the telecom giants
who are getting rich,
555
00:45:43,174 --> 00:45:45,944
it's Samsung that's
getting rich, it's...
556
00:45:46,011 --> 00:45:48,613
It's everybody
but the people
who are making stuff.
557
00:45:58,723 --> 00:46:03,194
Ten years ago we were
earning twice to three times
as much as we are right now.
558
00:46:08,666 --> 00:46:10,268
People stopped
selling records
559
00:46:10,335 --> 00:46:14,272
and all of a sudden everyone
decided to go on the road.
560
00:46:14,339 --> 00:46:17,375
So there's a lot more
competition out there.
561
00:46:17,442 --> 00:46:21,079
If you live in any
mid to large city
562
00:46:21,146 --> 00:46:23,514
in North America
or Europe, it's a bounty.
563
00:46:23,581 --> 00:46:25,783
You know, pretty much
every other night
of the week
564
00:46:25,851 --> 00:46:29,487
there's an out-of-town band
coming through that you
could go see.
565
00:46:33,892 --> 00:46:35,660
Because there's so
much competition now,
566
00:46:35,726 --> 00:46:37,495
you're getting more
and more screwed
at the end of the night
567
00:46:37,562 --> 00:46:39,197
because they can
get away with it, you know?
568
00:46:39,264 --> 00:46:41,232
It's like you're not
a scarce resource anymore,
569
00:46:41,299 --> 00:46:42,868
a band that
could fill that hole.
570
00:46:42,934 --> 00:46:44,535
There are tons of bands
that could fill that hole.
571
00:46:47,873 --> 00:46:50,175
It feels like the last days
of vaudeville out there.
572
00:46:51,943 --> 00:46:54,345
One, two, check, one, two.
573
00:46:55,046 --> 00:46:56,381
(PLAYING)
574
00:47:04,956 --> 00:47:07,458
MENUCK: I'm super worried
all the time.
575
00:47:07,525 --> 00:47:09,327
I mean, what else would I do?
576
00:47:09,394 --> 00:47:12,397
My resume right now
would be as if I just
got out of prison.
577
00:47:13,164 --> 00:47:14,632
(SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY)
578
00:47:22,773 --> 00:47:25,776
It's right here.
We can get our
supper right here.
579
00:47:30,281 --> 00:47:33,919
EZRA: What you talking about?
What you talking about?
580
00:47:33,985 --> 00:47:36,487
MOSS: That's different than
being a destination
in Montreal...
581
00:47:36,554 --> 00:47:38,723
What you talking about?
582
00:47:38,789 --> 00:47:40,458
(PLAYING SAXOPHONE)
583
00:47:49,167 --> 00:47:52,971
MOSS: I'm so proud
of my whole band for being
so great with him
584
00:47:53,038 --> 00:47:54,672
and easy with him.
585
00:47:56,908 --> 00:48:00,845
I feel so unbelievably
down-on-my-knees lucky
586
00:48:00,912 --> 00:48:02,847
that I get to keep
doing what I'm doing.
587
00:48:04,682 --> 00:48:06,351
(INAUDIBLE)
588
00:48:09,354 --> 00:48:10,688
(LAUGHS)
589
00:48:21,866 --> 00:48:24,502
I really don't know
if I can keep it going.
590
00:48:24,569 --> 00:48:26,704
I want to have some
normalcy, you know?
591
00:48:26,771 --> 00:48:30,275
Just a little something.
A little normalcy.
592
00:48:30,341 --> 00:48:32,443
I'd love to
have children
593
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:34,445
but I don't think that's
going to happen for me
594
00:48:34,512 --> 00:48:35,846
so I would love
to have a dog.
595
00:48:35,913 --> 00:48:38,549
I can't even have
a dog right now.
596
00:48:38,616 --> 00:48:40,952
Men are able to stick
with it for longer
597
00:48:41,019 --> 00:48:43,321
because they're not
having the children.
598
00:48:43,388 --> 00:48:44,822
And that's
what I've seen.
599
00:48:44,889 --> 00:48:47,058
I've seen it all
across the board
600
00:48:47,125 --> 00:48:49,794
when women,
at least in the music
that I'm playing,
601
00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:53,298
start their families,
they have to take
a step back.
602
00:48:53,364 --> 00:48:56,167
And the men go on tour,
they do all these things
603
00:48:56,234 --> 00:48:58,203
and they can have,
you know, twelve kids
604
00:48:58,269 --> 00:49:03,074
because they've got
their wife or girlfriend
or you know,
605
00:49:03,141 --> 00:49:05,043
what have you,
the mother of their children
606
00:49:05,110 --> 00:49:06,844
taking care of the basics.
607
00:49:06,911 --> 00:49:10,048
And I do...
For what I do,
if I have children
608
00:49:10,115 --> 00:49:11,882
I'd have to stop playing.
609
00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:13,851
I would actually
have to get a job
610
00:49:13,918 --> 00:49:17,255
because for what
I do I can barely
support myself.
611
00:49:17,322 --> 00:49:21,659
Sometimes I look
at biographies of
famous opera singers
612
00:49:21,726 --> 00:49:24,462
and all these...
I have always looked up
to women in rock
613
00:49:24,529 --> 00:49:26,331
because they're more...
614
00:49:26,397 --> 00:49:28,866
But you look at them
and you realize,
615
00:49:28,933 --> 00:49:33,404
"Oh, she didn't have any
children, she didn't have a
family, she didn't have..."
616
00:49:33,471 --> 00:49:37,142
I watched my mother raise,
try to raise three children
almost by herself
617
00:49:37,208 --> 00:49:39,977
and so to see that
and go like, "Wow."
618
00:49:40,045 --> 00:49:42,747
And she never
had the time to do
anything for herself
619
00:49:42,813 --> 00:49:45,416
and yet was able
to be so selfless
620
00:49:45,483 --> 00:49:49,220
and giving and that's
what mothers do
621
00:49:49,287 --> 00:49:50,988
and I couldn't do that.
622
00:49:51,056 --> 00:49:53,958
I just couldn't.
I don't have it in me
623
00:49:54,025 --> 00:49:56,094
because the work
takes so much,
624
00:49:56,161 --> 00:49:58,263
I give so much
to the work.
625
00:49:58,329 --> 00:50:01,766
(LAUGHING)
626
00:50:01,832 --> 00:50:05,636
MATANA ROBERTS: I know
what it feels like to
be loved by a mother
627
00:50:05,703 --> 00:50:07,905
and it's so powerful.
628
00:50:07,972 --> 00:50:11,176
Knowing what...
And understanding that not
all children get that.
629
00:50:11,242 --> 00:50:13,010
(KISSING)
630
00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:17,248
And I'm still
feeding off of that,
631
00:50:17,315 --> 00:50:21,686
so many years, you know,
later so it's just...
632
00:50:21,752 --> 00:50:23,721
I'm gonna cry now.
Yeah, I'm gonna cry, too.
633
00:50:23,788 --> 00:50:25,590
Can we stop?
Yup.
634
00:50:25,656 --> 00:50:27,725
Are you gonna have
a nice sleep?
635
00:50:27,792 --> 00:50:29,660
Mmm-mmm.
Have a bad sleep.
636
00:50:29,727 --> 00:50:31,262
You're gonna have
a bad sleep?
Yeah.
637
00:50:31,329 --> 00:50:33,764
Don't tell me that.
Why are you gonna
have a bad sleep?
638
00:50:33,831 --> 00:50:36,601
Because I think of things.
639
00:50:36,667 --> 00:50:37,902
(BABY TALK)
640
00:50:41,472 --> 00:50:43,308
Sweet pea, it's time
to lie down.
641
00:50:43,374 --> 00:50:45,910
Okay?
(EZRA TALKING INDISTINCTLY)
642
00:50:45,976 --> 00:50:47,044
Can you listen
to Daddy?
643
00:50:51,249 --> 00:50:52,650
I a cat.
644
00:50:52,717 --> 00:50:54,485
You're a cat?
Yeah.
645
00:50:54,552 --> 00:50:55,786
What sound does
a cat make?
646
00:50:55,853 --> 00:50:56,921
Meow meow!
647
00:50:56,987 --> 00:50:58,123
That's right.
648
00:50:58,189 --> 00:51:00,125
You a dog.
Woof.
649
00:51:01,392 --> 00:51:03,794
Cats don't like
that sound.
650
00:51:03,861 --> 00:51:05,696
Ezra's don't like
that sound either.
651
00:51:09,134 --> 00:51:10,735
I a cat.
652
00:51:14,439 --> 00:51:17,675
Up, down, up,
down, up, down!
653
00:51:17,742 --> 00:51:20,345
Up, down, up, down,
but not up, down.
654
00:51:20,911 --> 00:51:21,912
Down!
655
00:51:24,949 --> 00:51:28,253
MENUCK: You have to be 1000%
on the side of humanity once
you have a kid.
656
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:32,523
You have to... You're like
rooting for the home team
like you never had before.
657
00:51:32,590 --> 00:51:34,692
What you did.
I flopped you down
like you asked.
658
00:51:34,759 --> 00:51:36,994
Which is a big adjustment.
That's a heavy adjustment.
659
00:51:37,061 --> 00:51:38,996
For me that was
the harder thing
660
00:51:39,063 --> 00:51:43,834
was having to, like, get rid
of a lot of my own cynicism,
you know?
661
00:51:43,901 --> 00:51:46,137
You have to be like,
"No, things have to change,
662
00:51:46,204 --> 00:51:48,105
"things have to get
better 'cause this little
663
00:51:48,173 --> 00:51:51,842
"innocent creature has to
grow up into a world that's
664
00:51:51,909 --> 00:51:54,879
"better than the one
he was born into."
665
00:51:54,945 --> 00:51:57,415
All right, I'm gonna put
night lights on,
are you ready?
666
00:52:10,428 --> 00:52:12,963
* Go forth, man
667
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:15,233
* Get down
668
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:20,805
* With a mighty fist
and a retarded crown
669
00:52:20,871 --> 00:52:24,242
* Do the one-step,
the two-step
670
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:26,344
* Sweet jubilee
671
00:52:26,411 --> 00:52:30,147
* And show me
the light, goddamn
672
00:52:48,799 --> 00:52:51,636
* Tell me
673
00:52:52,837 --> 00:52:57,475
* There is a light
674
00:52:59,977 --> 00:53:03,814
* Tell me
675
00:53:03,881 --> 00:53:07,151
* There is a light
676
00:53:12,423 --> 00:53:14,492
Hi. Hi.
677
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:18,062
Got a balloon
in my bottom.
678
00:53:18,729 --> 00:53:19,930
Hi.
679
00:53:19,997 --> 00:53:21,732
Happy birthday, Thierry.
680
00:53:21,799 --> 00:53:22,800
Happy birthday.
681
00:53:24,535 --> 00:53:26,136
Happy birthday.
ALL: Happy birthday.
682
00:53:26,203 --> 00:53:27,738
Happy birthday, Thierry.
683
00:53:27,805 --> 00:53:29,274
Cheers.
684
00:53:29,340 --> 00:53:31,175
I couldn't imagine
a better birthday
685
00:53:31,242 --> 00:53:33,010
than to be here
with you guys.
686
00:53:34,111 --> 00:53:36,146
You don't wanna
cheers that.
687
00:53:36,213 --> 00:53:37,648
Sante.
688
00:53:37,715 --> 00:53:38,783
One more cheers, buddy?
689
00:53:38,849 --> 00:53:39,984
Thanks.
690
00:53:40,050 --> 00:53:42,152
Yay! Cheers! Cheers!
691
00:53:44,088 --> 00:53:45,490
Yeah.
692
00:53:45,556 --> 00:53:47,191
Everybody in the bus!
693
00:53:47,258 --> 00:53:49,260
Yeah.
That's right,
that never happens.
694
00:54:00,371 --> 00:54:05,576
* Some! Hearts! Are! True!
695
00:54:05,643 --> 00:54:11,282
* Some! Hearts! Are! True!
696
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:16,854
* Some! Hearts! Are! True!
697
00:54:16,921 --> 00:54:22,893
* Some! Hearts! Are! True!
698
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:29,133
* Some! Hearts! Are! True!
699
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:35,373
* Some! Hearts! Are! True!
700
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:43,047
MOSS: I don't
want things to end.
701
00:54:43,113 --> 00:54:46,517
You know, now I want to
bring Ezra everywhere and I
want to go on tour with him.
702
00:54:48,853 --> 00:54:50,488
I just want to work.
I just want to do it.
703
00:54:50,555 --> 00:54:52,022
I just want to do
it while we can
704
00:54:52,089 --> 00:54:54,291
'cause who knows
how long we can do it.
705
00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:06,771
MENUCK: Half my brain
now was occupied with
the hustle, you know?
706
00:55:08,539 --> 00:55:11,509
I'm on the hustle
all the time.
I'm just always like,
707
00:55:11,576 --> 00:55:15,212
"What's the next gig?"
You know, like,
"When's the next tour?"
708
00:55:25,055 --> 00:55:28,225
Every other tour our booker
will come out and say,
you know,
709
00:55:28,292 --> 00:55:31,095
"If you raised your ticket
price by three dollars
710
00:55:31,161 --> 00:55:35,265
"you'd make this much more
on the tour," you know, and...
711
00:55:35,332 --> 00:55:38,836
And we say,
"Yeah, we know."
712
00:55:38,903 --> 00:55:41,906
It's obscene what people
charge for shows these days.
713
00:55:42,607 --> 00:55:44,174
It's not right.
714
00:55:44,241 --> 00:55:45,643
Especially when
people have to
715
00:55:46,377 --> 00:55:47,978
work so hard for $50.
716
00:55:48,045 --> 00:55:50,014
It's just...
It's never going
to be right.
717
00:56:09,233 --> 00:56:11,168
MOSS: Okay.
EZRA: Caught a piggy.
718
00:56:11,235 --> 00:56:13,170
I caught a piggy!
719
00:56:13,237 --> 00:56:14,238
MOSS: Where's your band?
720
00:56:15,105 --> 00:56:17,408
Oh, wait over there.
721
00:56:17,475 --> 00:56:19,777
MOSS: Okay, go for it.
Caught a piggy.
722
00:56:19,844 --> 00:56:22,947
Caught a piggy!
Caught a piggy!
723
00:56:23,781 --> 00:56:26,350
(EZRA SPEAKING)
724
00:56:27,518 --> 00:56:30,054
MOSS: I'm just
looking for the plug.
725
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,222
EZRA: What?
What are you looking for?
726
00:56:32,289 --> 00:56:33,424
MOSS: I'm looking
for the plug.
727
00:56:34,492 --> 00:56:36,126
EZRA: What are
you looking for?
728
00:56:36,193 --> 00:56:40,030
MOSS: There used to
be a part of my life
where I did playing
729
00:56:40,097 --> 00:56:41,899
with other people
and in other projects
730
00:56:41,966 --> 00:56:44,168
and for other people's
records, and I
731
00:56:44,234 --> 00:56:48,272
really haven't gotten
a phone call for that
since Ezra was born.
732
00:56:48,338 --> 00:56:50,207
(PLAYING HARMONICAS)
733
00:57:00,551 --> 00:57:03,153
NADIA: Ez, is that
my hair brush?
No.
734
00:57:03,220 --> 00:57:04,221
Is it your hair brush?
735
00:57:04,288 --> 00:57:06,591
It's...
It's boring.
736
00:57:06,657 --> 00:57:07,692
It's boring?
737
00:57:07,758 --> 00:57:09,259
Yeah.
Why is it boring?
738
00:57:11,261 --> 00:57:14,064
MOSS: For Ezra I want
a sibling.
739
00:57:14,131 --> 00:57:16,934
I do think about
that a lot.
Mmm-hmm.
740
00:57:17,001 --> 00:57:19,069
I had a conversation
with Dave actually,
741
00:57:19,136 --> 00:57:20,771
while we were on tour.
742
00:57:20,838 --> 00:57:23,307
He sort of like, "Yeah,
I can imagine, there's Ezra
and there's another one."
743
00:57:23,373 --> 00:57:25,576
He could actually... Yeah.
On tour?
744
00:57:25,643 --> 00:57:27,177
I can imagine it too.
745
00:57:27,244 --> 00:57:30,247
I kind of understand why you
want to prepare yourself for
746
00:57:30,314 --> 00:57:33,017
having to not be able to
do it, but I also feel like
747
00:57:34,652 --> 00:57:36,721
maybe you shouldn't.
748
00:57:36,787 --> 00:57:38,422
You mean I should be
doing the opposite?
749
00:57:38,489 --> 00:57:39,690
I think you should
be doing the opposite.
750
00:57:39,757 --> 00:57:41,726
I can't imagine him
not having somebody
751
00:57:41,792 --> 00:57:44,829
to make fun of his
parents with, you know?
752
00:57:44,895 --> 00:57:47,164
Like it's such a crucial
aspect, you know?
Yeah.
753
00:58:41,652 --> 00:58:42,887
MOSS: I'll blow
on it, okay?
754
00:58:44,722 --> 00:58:46,591
Why you gonna
blow on that?
755
00:58:47,625 --> 00:58:49,059
Why you gonna
blow on that?
756
00:58:49,126 --> 00:58:50,961
'Cause it can help
make you feel better.
757
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:53,263
Ezra, here's some corn.
758
00:58:53,330 --> 00:58:54,765
Hello!
Hello.
759
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,234
Thank you.
You're welcome.
760
00:58:57,301 --> 00:58:59,970
Are we going eat two
cob on the corns?
761
00:59:00,037 --> 00:59:01,939
Are we gonna eat two
corn on the cobs?
Yeah.
762
00:59:02,006 --> 00:59:04,074
Well, first you're
gonna eat one,
763
00:59:04,141 --> 00:59:05,542
and then you eat
the rest of your supper
764
00:59:05,610 --> 00:59:07,477
and then you can
eat another one.
765
00:59:07,544 --> 00:59:09,479
EZRA: Why?
MOSS: 'Cause
that's how it works.
766
00:59:13,517 --> 00:59:14,518
(CLANKING)
767
00:59:48,152 --> 00:59:49,319
(MUSIC PLAYING)
768
00:59:57,461 --> 00:59:59,630
MOSS: There was a lot
of people on the street that
769
00:59:59,697 --> 01:00:01,265
wouldn't normally
be on the street,
770
01:00:01,331 --> 01:00:03,033
protesting for
the first time,
771
01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:05,535
and that's a beautiful thing.
772
01:00:05,602 --> 01:00:09,439
It's like a momentary glimpse
of what it could be like
773
01:00:09,506 --> 01:00:11,108
when you can know
your neighbors,
774
01:00:11,175 --> 01:00:12,609
when we all march together.
775
01:00:14,912 --> 01:00:16,513
MENUCK: "We've been going
with Ezra to the park
776
01:00:16,580 --> 01:00:19,717
"at the end of our street
at 8:00 p.m. every night.
777
01:00:19,784 --> 01:00:21,786
"I guess there's gonna be
a whole generation of kids
778
01:00:21,852 --> 01:00:25,089
"raised in this ridiculous,
neglected jewel of a town
779
01:00:25,155 --> 01:00:27,658
"who'll have fuzzy memories
about the month they
got to go to the park
780
01:00:27,725 --> 01:00:29,359
"that one summertime,
781
01:00:29,426 --> 01:00:30,895
"when all the grownups
were making noise
782
01:00:30,961 --> 01:00:33,630
"with pot lids and everyone
was serious,
783
01:00:33,698 --> 01:00:35,465
"but everyone was smiling too.
784
01:00:37,234 --> 01:00:39,670
"There's so many teary
moments in all of this.
785
01:00:39,737 --> 01:00:42,206
"I'm crying all the time.
I'm smiling all the time.
786
01:00:42,272 --> 01:00:45,542
"I know it's going to end.
I don't want it to end."
787
01:00:45,609 --> 01:00:46,811
Whoo!
788
01:00:51,515 --> 01:00:53,417
MOSS: I find inspiration
789
01:00:53,483 --> 01:00:55,986
from activists,
from people who work
790
01:00:56,053 --> 01:00:57,654
to challenge and change.
791
01:01:01,058 --> 01:01:03,393
MENUCK: I actually think
I was a member of
the last generation
792
01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:05,195
that was promised
a better future,
793
01:01:05,262 --> 01:01:07,798
and I think successive
generations have been
794
01:01:07,865 --> 01:01:09,199
promised the opposite of that.
795
01:01:18,342 --> 01:01:20,077
(TALKING INDISTINCTLY)
796
01:01:21,946 --> 01:01:24,581
MOSS: That last tour with
Ezra went like a million times
797
01:01:24,648 --> 01:01:26,516
better and smoother
798
01:01:26,583 --> 01:01:28,318
than I was worried it would,
799
01:01:28,385 --> 01:01:32,522
and it made... Made the whole
thing seem more possible.
800
01:01:32,589 --> 01:01:35,392
MENUCK: He's growing
so quickly that it's
different month by month.
801
01:01:35,459 --> 01:01:37,361
He did great three
months ago.
802
01:01:37,427 --> 01:01:38,863
I don't know how
he's going to do
803
01:01:38,929 --> 01:01:39,964
four months from now.
804
01:01:41,465 --> 01:01:43,400
But, for me, now that he's
an older kid, you know,
805
01:01:43,467 --> 01:01:45,369
he's able to express himself
806
01:01:46,203 --> 01:01:47,704
and say what he needs
807
01:01:47,772 --> 01:01:50,074
and that's just going
to get more and better.
808
01:01:50,140 --> 01:01:52,276
But that comes part
and parcel with he
has opinions too,
809
01:01:52,342 --> 01:01:54,578
and he has fears,
that's the biggest
thing, you know?
810
01:01:55,645 --> 01:01:57,414
You know?
811
01:01:57,481 --> 01:01:59,583
He does talk a lot about
wanting to go on tour
right now, that's for sure.
812
01:01:59,649 --> 01:02:01,585
Mmm-hmm.
813
01:02:01,651 --> 01:02:06,256
He talks a lot about
wanting to go to the
doctor too, though.
814
01:02:06,323 --> 01:02:09,960
If we have to figure
out how to do it
without him, then...
815
01:02:11,361 --> 01:02:12,496
I mean, we're about to try.
816
01:02:12,562 --> 01:02:15,499
And we're about
to try an eight night...
817
01:02:15,565 --> 01:02:18,769
He'll be on his
own for eight nights.
818
01:02:18,836 --> 01:02:22,472
Um, I feel like right
now that's definitely
the maximum
819
01:02:22,539 --> 01:02:24,074
amount of days,
do you agree?
820
01:02:24,141 --> 01:02:25,142
Yeah.
821
01:02:26,410 --> 01:02:28,779
If we had to stop
touring with him,
822
01:02:28,846 --> 01:02:31,015
but I don't want
to do that, so...
823
01:02:31,081 --> 01:02:33,884
But at the same time
we can't afford
to tour with him.
824
01:02:33,951 --> 01:02:35,820
It's a real reality,
you know.
825
01:02:35,886 --> 01:02:37,855
We make a little
bit of money,
but not very much
826
01:02:37,922 --> 01:02:40,791
because we have to pay
for the nanny and we
have to pay for the tour bus.
827
01:02:43,193 --> 01:02:44,194
(SIGHS)
828
01:02:48,498 --> 01:02:50,534
I mean, the tension
of all this is being
amplified 'cause there's
829
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,436
a microphone
and a camera in here.
830
01:02:52,502 --> 01:02:53,503
Of course.
831
01:02:55,405 --> 01:02:57,374
Of course.
832
01:02:57,441 --> 01:03:00,144
Of course I want
to keep going.
I just like, you know...
833
01:03:01,578 --> 01:03:03,047
It gets into bigger
issues, you know.
834
01:03:03,113 --> 01:03:05,816
It just mostly gets
into issues like
835
01:03:05,883 --> 01:03:07,852
how do we keep
getting by, you know?
836
01:03:07,918 --> 01:03:11,021
And I feel like most
of that falls on me.
837
01:03:11,088 --> 01:03:13,891
Most of that worry
falls on me.
838
01:03:13,958 --> 01:03:15,960
But it definitely harshes
my mellow in terms of, like,
839
01:03:16,026 --> 01:03:18,628
"Oh, that's great,
we did a tour with Ezra,
it worked out great,"
840
01:03:18,695 --> 01:03:20,064
you know.
841
01:03:20,130 --> 01:03:21,565
It's like, "Yeah,
it worked out great.
842
01:03:21,631 --> 01:03:23,934
"We made a grand
and a half each, you know."
843
01:03:24,634 --> 01:03:25,635
That's not...
844
01:03:28,272 --> 01:03:31,141
That's not a viable plan
moving forward, you know.
845
01:03:31,208 --> 01:03:32,977
Unless we allow
for the grants
846
01:03:33,043 --> 01:03:35,980
that we didn't apply
for for ten years as
a band until we...
847
01:03:36,046 --> 01:03:37,381
I don't want to...
I don't want to be...
848
01:03:37,447 --> 01:03:39,116
I want to be a band that
pays its own way, you know?
849
01:03:39,183 --> 01:03:41,018
I don't want to take
government money.
850
01:03:41,085 --> 01:03:43,787
On top of that you can't
count on it, you know?
851
01:03:43,854 --> 01:03:46,790
On top of that there
are bands who need it
more, you know?
852
01:03:47,624 --> 01:03:49,759
Like who?
853
01:03:49,826 --> 01:03:52,429
I don't know them,
that's why they need
it more, you know?
854
01:03:52,496 --> 01:03:57,467
I don't think it's a role
of government to subsidize
a failing band, you know?
855
01:03:57,534 --> 01:03:59,836
That's how I feel.
That's how I've
always felt.
856
01:04:04,174 --> 01:04:06,977
I think it would be
suicide to keep doing
it as a full time thing.
857
01:04:07,044 --> 01:04:09,746
'Cause even with
the grants it's not
enough money, you know?
858
01:04:09,813 --> 01:04:10,814
So...
859
01:04:13,283 --> 01:04:15,252
We're still the luckiest
band in the world.
860
01:04:15,319 --> 01:04:16,921
I mean, we'll be fine.
861
01:04:18,655 --> 01:04:20,190
(SIGHS)
862
01:04:20,257 --> 01:04:22,492
There's a romantic
part of me that thinks
863
01:04:25,662 --> 01:04:29,133
that it's worth it
864
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:31,635
at whatever cost,
you know?
865
01:04:31,701 --> 01:04:33,370
But I know that
that's not very practical.
866
01:04:33,437 --> 01:04:34,972
But there are other
bands who share those...
867
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:37,007
That's the point.
We're just one
of many, you know.
868
01:04:37,074 --> 01:04:38,909
Like, that's okay.
869
01:04:38,976 --> 01:04:41,845
If it all ended tomorrow
it'd be okay, you know?
870
01:04:41,912 --> 01:04:44,748
I mean, we're just another
fucking band, you know.
871
01:04:46,550 --> 01:04:47,651
So...
872
01:04:47,717 --> 01:04:49,386
Except, on other
days you say,
873
01:04:49,453 --> 01:04:50,820
"We're the best
band in the world!"
874
01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:52,522
Yeah, but every band's
got to go through life
875
01:04:52,589 --> 01:04:53,690
thinking that, you know?
876
01:04:53,757 --> 01:04:55,559
To keep going.
Yeah.
877
01:04:55,625 --> 01:04:56,660
Yeah.
878
01:05:27,091 --> 01:05:29,093
MOSS: It was
kind of a crash.
879
01:05:32,662 --> 01:05:35,265
I had to accept
the realization that
880
01:05:35,332 --> 01:05:38,468
I can't pick up
where I left off.
881
01:05:38,535 --> 01:05:41,605
Will is not enough to
make this stuff happen.
882
01:05:45,775 --> 01:05:49,379
You can go...
You can go
all by yourself.
883
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,115
JOAN MOSS: Really?
884
01:05:53,783 --> 01:05:55,819
I... I did it for...
885
01:06:01,591 --> 01:06:05,695
Remember when we
were playing, me,
you and Oscar?
886
01:06:05,762 --> 01:06:09,299
And I had to be the monster
eating up the potatoes.
887
01:06:09,366 --> 01:06:12,802
So you could be
a little bit sad when
Mommy and Daddy go away,
888
01:06:12,869 --> 01:06:14,804
and then when
they come back
889
01:06:14,871 --> 01:06:18,575
do you have big,
huge hugs for them? Eh?
890
01:06:18,642 --> 01:06:22,612
So when you're a grownup,
are you going to have to
go to work sometimes?
891
01:06:22,679 --> 01:06:25,549
And what will
your little boy do?
892
01:06:25,615 --> 01:06:27,284
EZRA: Going be sad.
893
01:06:27,351 --> 01:06:29,953
He's going to be sad.
But then...
894
01:06:30,020 --> 01:06:31,988
Whoa, whoa...
(JOAN LAUGHS)
895
01:06:32,889 --> 01:06:35,092
I'm getting so tired.
896
01:06:35,159 --> 01:06:39,496
* Sleepwalking, sleep talking
897
01:06:39,563 --> 01:06:41,465
* When all she looks
at you to see
898
01:06:41,531 --> 01:06:43,467
* A faded page of memories
899
01:06:43,533 --> 01:06:46,903
* Sleepwalking, sleep talking
900
01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:48,272
* About you
901
01:06:50,907 --> 01:06:53,677
* Sleepwalking,
sleep talking *
902
01:07:04,088 --> 01:07:06,890
* What do you do
when you don't belong?
903
01:07:08,292 --> 01:07:09,759
* You're in your corner
904
01:07:09,826 --> 01:07:12,529
* What do you say
when you're always wrong?
905
01:07:13,530 --> 01:07:14,964
* Is it any wonder
906
01:07:15,031 --> 01:07:18,202
* Day and night,
it's night and day *
907
01:07:37,721 --> 01:07:39,756
MOSS: Maybe we'll be
lucky enough to have more
opportunities
908
01:07:39,823 --> 01:07:42,659
where we can tour for one
week or ten days at a time.
NADIA: Yeah.
909
01:07:42,726 --> 01:07:45,829
Where we can just
leave him with Mum, who's...
910
01:07:45,895 --> 01:07:48,965
Oh, my God, without her,
where would we be?
Yeah.
911
01:07:49,032 --> 01:07:52,068
So, I'm planning on looking
for work in September.
Mmm-hmm.
912
01:07:52,136 --> 01:07:55,539
Um, well, I guess
that's really soon.
913
01:07:55,605 --> 01:07:58,375
'Cause that's where I'm at.
'Cause we're gonna be...
914
01:07:58,442 --> 01:08:01,711
You know, Ezra and I
are going to be home a lot.
915
01:08:01,778 --> 01:08:03,380
He'll be in daycare,
you know.
916
01:08:03,447 --> 01:08:07,251
Who knows if I'll ever
be able to not have
a job again after now?
917
01:08:07,317 --> 01:08:09,886
Yeah.
Who knows?
918
01:08:09,953 --> 01:08:12,922
You know, I didn't know
I would be at this
position at this age, but...
919
01:08:12,989 --> 01:08:15,992
Like you thought you'd
probably be in a career
that made you money?
920
01:08:16,059 --> 01:08:17,861
No, I don't know
what I thought.
921
01:08:17,927 --> 01:08:21,131
Actually, I don't know what
I thought. I don't know.
922
01:08:21,198 --> 01:08:23,867
I just sort of was just
doing this band thing
923
01:08:23,933 --> 01:08:27,371
and year after year it kept
being the thing... Enough.
924
01:08:27,437 --> 01:08:29,105
(CHILDREN TALKING
INDISTINCTLY)
925
01:08:31,941 --> 01:08:33,076
What if it chews
on something?
926
01:08:33,143 --> 01:08:35,712
It's not going to.
Cats aren't dumb.
927
01:08:35,779 --> 01:08:37,747
Yeah, I'm so excited!
928
01:08:37,814 --> 01:08:41,084
There's a good amount of fans
out there that are gonna get
really excited.
929
01:08:41,151 --> 01:08:43,587
I think we should do
a couple of fliggle wiggles.
930
01:08:43,653 --> 01:08:44,654
Yeah.
931
01:08:44,721 --> 01:08:46,223
BOY: Do the fliggle wiggle.
932
01:08:47,657 --> 01:08:49,092
(SINGING)
933
01:09:02,472 --> 01:09:05,041
It was really moving seeing
you being in charge of them.
934
01:09:05,108 --> 01:09:07,544
Oh, really?
Like, Ezra definitely has
935
01:09:07,611 --> 01:09:10,680
changed me in that I'm not
shy around children anymore.
Yeah.
936
01:09:10,747 --> 01:09:11,748
(ALL CHEERING)
937
01:09:17,020 --> 01:09:18,455
(SINGING)
938
01:09:24,661 --> 01:09:26,129
It was good.
Yeah, yeah.
939
01:09:26,196 --> 01:09:28,732
So he got hassled,
but we were okay.
940
01:09:28,798 --> 01:09:34,371
JULIE DOIRON: I feel
guilty about my path I took
as a mother.
941
01:09:35,004 --> 01:09:36,606
(SINGING)
942
01:09:53,857 --> 01:09:56,025
I kept touring.
943
01:09:56,092 --> 01:09:58,562
My husband at the time
really, really encouraged
me to keep touring.
944
01:09:58,628 --> 01:10:00,830
He didn't want me
to ever, like, resent...
945
01:10:00,897 --> 01:10:02,399
He didn't want me to
give up what I was doing,
946
01:10:02,466 --> 01:10:04,601
'cause I was already
a touring musician
before I had kids.
947
01:10:04,668 --> 01:10:09,306
In hindsight, I really wish
that I had not kept touring.
948
01:10:09,373 --> 01:10:11,308
I say that to people
sometimes and they say,
949
01:10:11,375 --> 01:10:13,377
"Well, you're crazy.
You don't really wish that.
950
01:10:13,443 --> 01:10:15,945
"Do you really wish that
you had stopped music?"
951
01:10:16,012 --> 01:10:19,816
And ultimately,
like, I missed out
on a lot of stuff
952
01:10:19,883 --> 01:10:21,651
and you can't really...
953
01:10:21,718 --> 01:10:24,588
I mean, I can't ever
go back that way.
954
01:10:25,555 --> 01:10:28,091
I often feel like I'm a fraud
955
01:10:28,157 --> 01:10:30,460
because I feel
like people have
956
01:10:30,527 --> 01:10:32,562
sort of looked up
to me for advice
957
01:10:32,629 --> 01:10:34,698
or they see...
958
01:10:34,764 --> 01:10:37,601
Like I know that
people probably go,
"Okay, well, Julie Doiron,
959
01:10:37,667 --> 01:10:39,235
"she did have kids
960
01:10:39,303 --> 01:10:41,070
"and she's still touring,
like, she's doing it all
961
01:10:41,137 --> 01:10:42,606
"and so can I."
962
01:10:42,672 --> 01:10:45,509
It may look like
an ideal situation,
963
01:10:45,575 --> 01:10:47,477
but, like, I ruined
my marriage,
964
01:10:47,544 --> 01:10:51,381
and I lost custody
of my children, and so I...
965
01:10:51,448 --> 01:10:54,017
Yes, I have three amazing kids
966
01:10:54,083 --> 01:10:56,052
who love me, and they
know I'm their mom,
967
01:10:56,119 --> 01:10:58,688
and now I have to tour
way more because
968
01:10:58,755 --> 01:11:01,190
I have all these other bills.
969
01:11:01,257 --> 01:11:04,227
If I'm not on the road
I don't have any money.
970
01:11:04,294 --> 01:11:06,430
My kids tell me
over and over, like,
971
01:11:06,496 --> 01:11:07,931
"You're always going
to be our mom.
972
01:11:07,997 --> 01:11:09,599
"Like, we understand
that you're gone."
973
01:11:09,666 --> 01:11:12,436
But I constantly feel guilty
about not being there.
974
01:11:15,972 --> 01:11:18,041
Talking about this right now
is making me feel amazing
975
01:11:18,107 --> 01:11:20,677
and maybe I won't feel
depressed for the next week.
976
01:11:20,744 --> 01:11:22,278
That's great.
977
01:11:22,346 --> 01:11:24,548
And I'm just realizing
like maybe women should
be getting...
978
01:11:24,614 --> 01:11:27,283
Well, obviously women
should be getting
together way more often
979
01:11:27,351 --> 01:11:28,852
to talk about
all this stuff.
980
01:11:28,918 --> 01:11:32,622
You need so much
help to be able
to continue to
981
01:11:32,689 --> 01:11:35,392
have a...
To have creative output
982
01:11:35,459 --> 01:11:36,960
and to be a mother.
983
01:11:37,026 --> 01:11:39,128
You can't focus
100% on your art
984
01:11:39,195 --> 01:11:40,797
and also be a mother.
985
01:11:40,864 --> 01:11:42,999
I don't actually think
that's humanly possible
986
01:11:43,066 --> 01:11:44,300
or physically possible.
Right.
987
01:11:48,071 --> 01:11:50,106
MOSS: The degree to which
988
01:11:50,173 --> 01:11:51,808
privilege and circumstance
989
01:11:51,875 --> 01:11:54,378
play in us being able
to do what we do.
990
01:11:56,112 --> 01:11:58,348
Childcare.
Access to healthcare.
991
01:11:58,415 --> 01:12:00,149
Most people in the world
don't have that.
992
01:12:00,216 --> 01:12:02,886
And it's only because of these
things that I have this luxury
993
01:12:02,952 --> 01:12:05,789
to take a step back
994
01:12:05,855 --> 01:12:08,925
to consider trying
to be a mother
and a creative person.
995
01:12:08,992 --> 01:12:11,260
I am overwhelmed
by gratitude for that.
996
01:12:25,308 --> 01:12:29,112
MENUCK: I don't live
a healthy life and I want
to live a long time
997
01:12:29,178 --> 01:12:32,549
'cause I want to see my
kid get older, you know?
998
01:12:32,616 --> 01:12:35,619
I mean, I live the life
of a musician
999
01:12:35,685 --> 01:12:37,654
and it's not a healthy life.
1000
01:12:40,524 --> 01:12:43,660
People die in their fifties
and sixties just from
staying on the road.
1001
01:12:43,727 --> 01:12:45,128
That's a real thing.
1002
01:12:48,498 --> 01:12:51,968
All I do is tour and rehearse
and worry about money.
1003
01:12:52,035 --> 01:12:56,205
In spite of all that,
I love Ezra so much,
I love Jessica so much.
1004
01:12:56,272 --> 01:12:58,675
I like who I am more
than I ever have,
1005
01:12:58,742 --> 01:13:00,844
and I like being a father.
1006
01:13:00,910 --> 01:13:03,012
All that matters to me
now is that Ezra stays happy
1007
01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:04,981
and that Jessica has as
much time as she needs
1008
01:13:05,048 --> 01:13:07,283
to figure out what
she wants to do.
1009
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:09,218
Everything else
is just noise.
1010
01:13:09,285 --> 01:13:12,489
* What we loved was not enough
1011
01:13:14,624 --> 01:13:17,894
* Even though we wanted to
1012
01:13:40,484 --> 01:13:43,419
* And this I learned
and thus I gleaned
1013
01:13:45,121 --> 01:13:48,224
(SINGING)
1014
01:13:55,431 --> 01:13:58,401
* Kiss it quick
and rise again *
1015
01:14:06,342 --> 01:14:10,747
MOSS: I don't know if
I can start something new,
you know what I mean?
1016
01:14:10,814 --> 01:14:13,817
To imagine starting something,
like to conceive of
1017
01:14:13,883 --> 01:14:16,252
beginning is very daunting.
1018
01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:18,321
Like starting
something artistically,
we're sort of...
1019
01:14:18,387 --> 01:14:20,924
We're in that now,
we're doing it,
so that's one thing.
1020
01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:23,693
But you mean starting
it like trying to get
1021
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,696
to a place where we
can have shows that
don't lose money?
1022
01:14:26,763 --> 01:14:28,598
It's not open to us
1023
01:14:28,665 --> 01:14:30,233
to be a young band
trying to make it.
1024
01:14:30,299 --> 01:14:32,536
It's just, even if we tried,
1025
01:14:32,602 --> 01:14:34,070
it's not a door
that's open.
1026
01:14:34,137 --> 01:14:36,940
Nothing, no part
of this culture is like,
1027
01:14:37,006 --> 01:14:39,909
"Older women artists,
let's see what you got!"
1028
01:14:39,976 --> 01:14:41,511
I know.
1029
01:14:41,578 --> 01:14:44,480
Like zero, zero, zero
part of this culture.
Exactly.
1030
01:14:44,548 --> 01:14:46,249
All I want to do right
now is play guitar,
1031
01:14:46,315 --> 01:14:47,817
which has come
from us being together.
1032
01:14:47,884 --> 01:14:50,520
I know, it really has
made me so happy.
1033
01:14:50,587 --> 01:14:51,755
It's been so fun.
1034
01:14:55,592 --> 01:14:59,095
MOSS: Everything in
the world tells me
it's bad to get old.
1035
01:14:59,162 --> 01:15:01,865
But every single
one of us is doing it,
1036
01:15:01,931 --> 01:15:03,533
so how could that be bad?
1037
01:15:12,175 --> 01:15:14,077
Oh, my God!
1038
01:15:14,911 --> 01:15:16,312
(MOSS LAUGHING)
1039
01:15:17,346 --> 01:15:19,015
EZRA: I'm happy
to see you.
1040
01:15:19,082 --> 01:15:22,619
MOSS: I'm so happy
to see you!
1041
01:15:22,686 --> 01:15:24,020
We just came back
to find you.
1042
01:15:26,222 --> 01:15:27,724
JOAN: Are you happy
to see Mommy?
1043
01:15:34,430 --> 01:15:35,865
(INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS)
1044
01:15:42,038 --> 01:15:43,406
(PLAYING HARMONICAS)
1045
01:15:47,944 --> 01:15:50,079
Why you closing
your eyes?
1046
01:15:50,146 --> 01:15:52,548
When I really
feel the music
I close my eyes.
1047
01:16:15,772 --> 01:16:17,406
(BOTH VOCALIZING)
1048
01:16:20,476 --> 01:16:22,011
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1049
01:16:36,660 --> 01:16:39,929
MOSS: You know what,
I think it sounds okay
if it's a little...
1050
01:16:39,996 --> 01:16:41,330
Screechy?
1051
01:16:41,397 --> 01:16:44,367
* Lord let my son
live long enough
1052
01:16:44,433 --> 01:16:47,370
* To see that mountain
torn down
1053
01:16:47,436 --> 01:16:48,537
* Lord
1054
01:16:48,604 --> 01:16:52,108
(SINGING)
1055
01:16:56,545 --> 01:16:58,381
* Let my son
1056
01:16:58,447 --> 01:17:00,316
* Live long enough
1057
01:17:00,383 --> 01:17:03,486
* To see that mountain
torn down
1058
01:17:03,552 --> 01:17:05,054
* Lord
1059
01:17:05,121 --> 01:17:07,590
(PLAYING RECORDER)
1060
01:17:12,996 --> 01:17:14,698
(EZRA SPEAKING)
1061
01:17:14,764 --> 01:17:15,799
No, I don't.
1062
01:17:16,432 --> 01:17:18,634
(EZRA SPEAKING)
1063
01:17:18,702 --> 01:17:19,803
Yes, you do. Yeah.
1064
01:17:19,869 --> 01:17:20,870
Yeah.
1065
01:17:21,404 --> 01:17:22,405
Oh.
1066
01:17:24,207 --> 01:17:25,875
(PLAYING DRUM)
1067
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:36,485
That's a really
good beat, Ezra.
1068
01:17:42,625 --> 01:17:44,093
(EZRA SPEAKING)
1069
01:17:44,928 --> 01:17:46,629
That's it.
1070
01:17:46,696 --> 01:17:48,331
This is it. The end.
79083
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