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[unsettling music plays]
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[Peter] Is this being faked,
or is this real?
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Witnesses have seen me levitate
outside my window.
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[Peter] Is this person a liar
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or telling the truth to the best
of their ability and understanding?
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Up there,
on the other side of the building.
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[Peter] If she's so intent on convincing
the world that she's been taken by aliens,
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is there anything she wouldn't do
to advance that notion,
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including mess with
one of her own children?
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And how would she have gone about
creating the impression in this boy
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that he had been abducted by aliens?
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Would she have instructed him to lie?
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Would he have been convincing if he had?
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What kind of human being would do this?
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[unsettling music continues]
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[Peter] By this point, we've established
some basic character references
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for this woman,
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and she's a decent person,
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a caring person who would
probably much rather hurt herself
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than hurt one of her children,
as any decent parent would.
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Is she putting on an act?
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Creating a persona?
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And you've gotta come to an informed
decision one way or the other.
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[woman 1] Roll one, take one.
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[ominous music plays]
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[music fades]
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[Johnny] Starting to feel some feelings
maybe I haven't felt in… in a while.
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I just tried to erase it from my… my life.
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{\an8}And you're sure you can't see my face?
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{\an8}I really don't want to have
my face seen on camera.
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{\an8}[man 1] No. It's fine.
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[Johnny] It happened a long time ago.
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I was quite young.
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I say to myself,
you know, "Why did they pick me?"
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"Why couldn't they pick,
you know, somebody else?"
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[older Johnny] Obviously, as a kid,
you don't know what to think.
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You hope and pray that it's a nightmare.
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But the better part of me knows
that it was a real experience.
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Mom was in the kitchen.
I don't really know what she was doing.
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I looked out the window.
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And… the next thing,
I… I remember turning around.
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I remember seeing three… beings
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in the living room.
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The most vivid memory is of calling out
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to my mom for help,
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and it was almost as if
she was standing still.
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She wasn't moving. She wasn't responding.
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And I know I was screaming
as loud as I could.
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It was almost as if she wasn't even there.
It was just an image of her.
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[younger Johnny] I asked myself,
"Doesn't my mommy love me anymore?"
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Because she was just frozen there,
and she didn't do anything.
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When I think about it, I think,
"Are they gonna come back,
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and are they gonna do something worse?"
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[older Johnny] I know it was terrifying
for me, and I can only imagine
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the terror and anger that my mom felt.
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[Linda] I felt it was my fault
because it happened to me.
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{\an8}But, uh, when it happens
to your own, you know,
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that's a different story.
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Yeah.
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[Budd] Can you traina little child to lie?
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Because if Johnny's telling the truth,
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then the whole story holds togetherand is true.
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Now, there's no doubt about that.
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So, in a strange way, Johnny is quite key.
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[Johnny] Well, I know my mom
better than anybody else.
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I'll tell you right now,
there's no way I believe
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she would wanna
make anything like this up.
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From what I'm told, a lot of witnesses.
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So either she planted a seed
in all those people's heads and mine,
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or this is a real experience.
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So I can't imagine
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that she would wanna perpetuate something
involving so much terror and agony.
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[unsettling music plays]
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[Carol] How do we know what's real?
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How do we know what's true?
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I was becoming
increasingly suspicious of Linda's story.
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{\an8}I felt that she was
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{\an8}pulling the wool over Budd's eyes,
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and he couldn't see what was happening.
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He believed that he was about to unfurl
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the most comprehensive abduction case
that has ever been known about
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with all of those witnesses.
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To me, it began
to seem almost too perfect.
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Almost too perfect.
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But Budd was always certain
that this was a good enough story
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to be a bestseller
and be made into a movie.
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He needed to stay with that
all the way to the end.
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{\an8}- [Budd] This will be…
- I know.
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{\an8}…the most important UFO book ever.
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[Dona] I like it.
There's tons of interest.
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Everyone is interested in UFO
and… and X-Files stuff, period.
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[Oprah] My guests this morning say
that they have been abducted by aliens,
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taken aboard spaceships,
and examined by beings from outer space.
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[Peter] The Linda case elevated
the subject of abduction
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to something
that had gone kind of mainstream.
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Oprah, she took it seriously.
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What the aliens,
quote, unquote, are… are interested in
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is their agenda, and they're doing it
their way for their reasons.
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{\an8}At the time,
one of the big chat shows in America
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{\an8}was Geraldo Rivera's show.
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{\an8}I'd never been on a chat show that large.
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We don't have a problem with skepticism.
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Um, we do have a problem with ridicule.
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What in the world
were these little creatures after?
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The focus of the whole thing seems to me
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to be on some kind of genetic
experimentation that's taking place.
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Now, are they taking sperm and eggs
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to make little humans
on their home planet or--
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The implication is that they are trying
to create a hybrid.
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A mix of their stock and our stock.
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[Carol] Budd was never trying
to fool anybody with that.
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He had a very, very pessimistic concept
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of why aliens were here,
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which he believed in wholeheartedly.
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The aliens were up to no good
for humankind.
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And you had no way to stop it.
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We won't see it happening.
It'll come invisibly in the night.
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Another civilization coming
from somewhere else.
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Breeding us out of existence.
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This was an endgame for the aliens.
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[uneasy music plays]
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[Linda] Budd Hopkins told me
what was going on.
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Every woman that was abducted
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had their ova taken.
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So I looked at Budd.
I says, "Oh," I says, "wait a minute."
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I says, "What are you saying?"
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So Budd regressed me,
and I remembered everything.
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I'm in this strange place.
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[older Linda] Everything that happened
to me when I went into the craft.
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[uneasy music continues]
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One of them picks up a stick,
a long stick.
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- [Budd] Mm-hmm.
- Looks like a rod.
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There were these creatures ar… around me,
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and they were examining my stomach.
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One of them came after me
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with a needle
the length of a turkey baster.
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That isn't friendly.
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I didn't wanna believe
that I was a lab rat
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being experimented on.
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But after a while,
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I just couldn't deny it anymore.
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[uneasy music continues]
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{\an8}[woman 2] Hi, everybody.Thank you, guys, and welcome.
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Joining us now is Linda. She saysshe's been abducted by extraterrestrials.
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She's in silhouette today becauseshe fears her family will be in danger
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if she reveals her identity.
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[Linda] I was invited
on The Ricki Lake Show,
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but I told her, "The only way I'll appear
is if you put me in shadow."
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Because of what happened to me
and what was going on besides the…
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the aliens.
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[reporter] The governmenthas lied to us about UFOs,
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has withheld information,has spied on UFO witnesses.
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It's going into a whole nother world
of fear, of drama,
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of not knowing where this is all leading.
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[reporter] She was visited at her home
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by a man identifying himselfas a government agent.
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[Peter] Linda had a sense
that she was being observed…
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by the two men
who had originally come to the apartment.
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[knocking on door]
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Richard and Dan.
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I was abducted by aliens.
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As foolish as it sounds,
that's what's goin' on.
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- [Budd] But…
- And then they showed up.
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And it wasn't just that they showed up.
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They kept showing up
and… and harassing me.
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Budd was concerned that Linda
was being harassed on a regular basis
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and never felt safe going out of her home.
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It felt like every time
she went out to grocery shop,
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something strange happened to her.
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The story just kept on rolling.
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[Johnny] I wouldn't mess with Linda,
my mother. [chuckles]
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She can be
the sweetest thing in the world,
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but… if you try to hurt her
or anybody that she loves,
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you better watch out.
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I was raised
not to take any crap from anybody.
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So I borrowed an old gun
from a friend of mine,
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and I said to her,
"I just don't feel safe."
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"I feel like I'm going to be attacked."
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Because of the things
that were happening to her,
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Budd came up with this idea
of wiring her for sound.
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[Linda] Testing. Testing.
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The microphone was in my pocket.
The speaker was in my ear.
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One day I was walking up Cherry Street,
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and I see this black car.
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And who's standing outside the car
was Richard and Dan.
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[Linda] He's standing across the street,watching.
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God. I gotta get the hell outta here.
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Oh God. He's coming!
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I don't see him anymore.Where the hell is he?
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[tires screech]
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Oh God, oh God!
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[man 2] You're not going anywhere.Get in the car.
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[Linda cries out]
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[man 2] Go, go, go!
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[Linda screams]
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I didn't wanna get into the car.
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I didn't wanna have anything
to do with them, period.
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But here I was sitting in the car,
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and we just took off.
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[tires screech]
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[unsettling music plays]
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[man 2] A tape recorder? You wired?
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[Linda] No, I'm not wired. It's not on.
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I need help.
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You know I need help.
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No. Stop it.
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No. No.
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He told me to take my shoes off.
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They wanted to see my feet.
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I think they wanted to know
how many toes I had.
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[Linda] What?
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[man 2] Come here, half-breed.
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That bastard, Dan,
used to call me a half-breed.
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[Linda] What? Stop it. Stop.
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He actually thought
I was half-human, half-alien.
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It just kept getting wilder and crazier.
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[Linda] I wanna go home.Why don't you let me out of the car?
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[Linda] And I took out the gun.
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I says to him, "I'm holding a gun,
and you better watch out
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'cause I'm gonna shoot your balls off."
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[tries screech]
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[Linda] And he stopped the car,
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and I ran away and called Budd.
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[telephone rings]
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- [Linda] Hello?
- [Budd] Linda?
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[Linda] They grabbed me by Pier 17.
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[Budd] Oh, Linda. Tell…
God, tell me what happened.
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[Linda] He went nuts.He grabbed me by my shoulders
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and started to shake me until I was dizzy.
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[Budd] Oh, Linda.
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[Linda] And I havethis son of a bitch on tape.
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[Budd] Okay. Okay, Linda.
Get off the phone. Come on over, okay?
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- [Linda] Okay.
- [Budd] Okay. Bye-bye.
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I've got to know these things
when they happen.
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Has there been anything else lately
that I don't know about?
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[Linda] No, really not. Nothing dangerous.
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- Everything's okay.
- Okay.
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[Linda] I was lucky to have Budd.
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He was my rock.
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He was always there. He was protective.
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[Budd] I'm worried about
you saying you don't know who to trust.
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- Mm-hmm.
- I don't.
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[Budd] Linda, there are lots of people
you know you can trust.
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[Carol] At that point, I kind of was
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seeing a lot of these stories
as being made up, invented.
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Budd didn't pick up on it
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because she was delivering material
that he so badly wanted for his new book.
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These are two little children's drawings
done by little Johnny.
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Linda was offering him new elements,
new stories, every few days.
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That's an extremely dramatic chapter.
It's like--
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It sounds like a mystery.
It sounds intriguing.
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- It makes you wonder--
- When you read this…
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I hope you'll read it.
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I think I've shown you the picture
of the, uh, really creepy detective.
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Of course, the skeptics will say
Linda made all this up. I mean--
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Who's that creative? She'd be doing
something more than she's doing now.
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I mean, Linda is not unintelligent.
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- Right.
- But Linda is…
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- She's your average working-class person.
- Exactly.
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[Carol] Budd said
that Linda wasn't smart enough
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to be able to manage anything like this.
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She couldn't plan things that far ahead
and make this whole great story happen.
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I thought she was smart.
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She's not well educated,
but she was smart.
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[tense music plays]
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[Carol] If the Linda case was a hoax,
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it was done masterfully well.
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The whole case was built on 23 witnesses.
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Basically, all the lights went out.
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In the city, on the bridge.
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I had to stare at it
for at least two minutes.
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I mean, I was looking at it.
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[Carol] But listening to Budd's interviews
with some of the witnesses,
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I couldn't help wonder
if they had really seen
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what they thought they had seen.
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Uh-huh.
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The yard was lit.
It wasn't bright white light.
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It wasn't moonlight. It was lit.
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[Carol] Francesca remembered
being terrified by a bright light.
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[Francesca] What freaked me…
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But she never lifted the curtain
to see what was causing the light.
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I just felt
that if I would've pulled open that shade,
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I would have really seen something
I didn't want to see.
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[woman 3] It was roundish,even though it was, uh, sort of glowing.
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Cathy Turner was an elderly woman
whose eyesight was failing.
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- [Cathy] I didn't say I was on the bridge.
- [Budd] Yeah. No, I know.
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[Carol] The confusing thing
was she couldn't remember
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where she had seen the abduction.
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[Budd] You thinkyou were on the Brooklyn side?
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[Cathy] It's possible.
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[Carol] What is going on here,
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and how much
is being generated by Linda herself?
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[woman 4] And out of the corner of my eyeI saw, you know, this light.
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[Carol] Janet Kimball was a key witness.
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I thought hers was perhaps
the most convincing testimony.
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But when I first heard it,
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I thought, "Oh my God,
that sounds just like Linda."
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[Janet] At first, you heardcar doors slamming and all that
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and everybody yelling.
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Then I didn't hear anything.
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[Budd] Uh-huh.
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I wanted to meet her and have her
let me interview her on camera.
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So I actually got Budd to call her.
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- [Carol] You have the recorder on, right?
- Okay.
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Uh, Budd Hopkins.
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Uh, from New York. I'd just like
to speak to her for just a moment.
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She's in the shower? Uh-huh.
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Uh, can I try, uh, what,
in about, uh, half an hour?
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This is Budd Hopkins calling again.
Is she out of the shower?
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Oh, she did?
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- [Carol] What? Where'd she go?
- Went straight to bed.
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[Carol] What are you gonna do
with a book called Witnessed
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when you don't have witnesses
who'll come forward?
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Well, that's, of course…
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Well… Shit.
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[Carol] I saw that Budd
was accepting as true
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things that there was no evidence
to support that they were true.
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But that didn't seem to stop him.
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[suspenseful music plays]
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[reporter] Joining us is Budd Hopkins,one of America's top ufologists,
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who heard Linda's story
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and made her the subjectfor his latest book,
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Witnessed: The True Story
of the Brooklyn Bridge UFO Abductions.
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[suspenseful music continues]
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[Peter] When Witnessed was published,
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a major Hollywood producer
picked up the option.
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The thought that this
might actually become a movie
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was, for me, very exciting.
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[Carol] Independence Day
was a big, splashy movie,
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and I think that was the model
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that Budd had in his mind
for how Witnessed would look.
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[Peter] A Hollywood feature film
based on this extraordinary story
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had the dual ability
to entertain as well as educate.
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Would you like a cigarette, Nick?
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[Linda] Budd used to say that
"Sharon Stone should play you
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if there should ever be a movie."
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- No.
- [Linda] We all used to giggle and laugh.
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And I said, "No, I don't look
anything like Sharon Stone,
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that's for sure."
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[Carol] I thought Linda
was a natural actress.
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She was a dramatic person.
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She said, "Because of
this alien-abduction business,"
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she said, "I had talents
that I never fully developed."
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[dramatic music plays]
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♪ When I need somebody to rely on ♪
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♪ Don't let me down ♪
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♪ You're the only oneMeans anything to me ♪
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♪ No one else ♪
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♪ Could ever be ♪
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♪ So don't let me down… ♪
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[Linda] When I was a little girl,
I wanted to be a singer when I grew up.
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♪ …before me ♪
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♪ And this whole worldSeems to ignore me ♪
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[Linda] In high school,
I had friends who also wanted to sing,
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and so we made a singing group,
and they decided I should be lead singer.
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And, uh, Mercury Records took us on.
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They gave me the name Lynn Long.
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♪ Don't let me down ♪
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♪ I don't knowIf I could face it all alone ♪
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♪ I can't make it ♪
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♪ On my own ♪
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♪ So don't let me down ♪
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[Linda] It was putting something
out into the world
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and people hearing my voice.
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That was good.
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Oh, look at that.
That's Mia Farrow and me.
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I was about 17 years old there.
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The Duke, John Wayne.
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We were invited to… to sing for them.
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[melancholy music plays]
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It was a different world.
It was a better world.
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It was where I wanted to be.
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But then I met Steve,
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and it was either a music career
or marriage and a family.
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So I chose marriage and a family.
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[melancholy music continues]
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[Johnny] She was good at it,
I'll tell you.
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She was definitely a great mom.
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When I was about six,
I had a… a nightmare.
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[screeching]
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[ominous whooshing]
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[Johnny] I went right to my mom, and I…
I do remember how shocked she looked.
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She was very quick to let me know
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that she had had
some of the same experiences.
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She basically told me that it was
m… most likely a real experience.
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And that's hard, as a six-year-old,
to wrap your head around.
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I can't begin to explain
the absolute terror you feel.
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It definitely fucked me up a little bit.
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I'm glad that I went into therapy
when I did
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to stop it from fuckin' me up even more.
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But when you experience
something like that at that age,
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it's… it's gonna do damage.
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[tense music plays]
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[Carol] What Linda is not willing to do
is to say,
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"I had a role in this entire story."
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"I fed it. I dreamed it up."
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"I manipulated my family."
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"And I deceived Budd Hopkins, my friend."
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That's what Linda should be saying.
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Linda is simply telling the truth.
It's as easy as that.
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The only way that she can be attacked,
the case can be attacked,
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is, of course, if people say
she's a… a… a liar, a hoaxer,
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she's hired all these people,
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every one of these people
is an actress or actor that she's hired,
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she's trained her son, etc. etc.
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[unsettling music plays]
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[Carol] It was a hoax
with a thousand moving parts,
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but I needed definitive proof.
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So I started
going through primary resources,
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documents and stacks of letters.
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I was really shocked
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that half of the book is comprised
of letters from Richard and Dan,
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two key witnesses to Linda's abduction.
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Even though Budd never could get them
to agree to meet.
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[Linda] I'm the only onethat sees these guys.
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[Budd] Well, yeah,
but I get the letters from them,
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and I'm gonna insist that they contact me.
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It's ridiculous. Why would they not?
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[Carol] I felt strongly
that they were an invention of Linda's,
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and then I found a letter
forwarded to Budd by the agent Richard.
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And on it was a signature
of Javier Pérez de Cuéllar,
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who was the head
of the United Nations at that time
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and who was in the car
with Richard and Dan
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the night of Linda's abduction.
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And then when I saw
the handwriting on the envelope,
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I just wondered
if that handwriting matched Linda's.
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So I went
to a forensics document examiner.
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[examiner] I was looking at the "Hopkins"
on the manila envelope.
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There was a virtually identical "H"
in the letter signed "Linda."
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It is fairly clear to me
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that they were executed
by the same person.
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Now, I am going to produce
a transparency of the signature.
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[Carol] I asked him to compare it
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with a trusted copy
of de Cuéllar's signature
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because no one ever writes
their own signature exactly the same way.
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[examiner] Voilà! That is
an exact replication of the signature.
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[Carol] The person who replicated
de Cuéllar's signature
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is the same person
who's written the letters from Richard
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and the letters from Dan.
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And that is Linda.
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Richard is an invention of Linda's.
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- And so is Dan.
- [knocking on door]
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[Carol] They were both actors.
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[man 3] I suppose Lindahas already spoken to you
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about our unexpected visitto her apartment.
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[Carol] And de Cuéllar is brought in
as the credibility character.
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It was so layered, so detailed,
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so generative of new elements,
new stories.
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She learned about
the elements of alien abduction
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by reading Budd's own books
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and then being invited into support groups
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and having hypnosis sessions with Budd.
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She would have known
what Budd was looking for.
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She would have known
what the typical abductee pattern was.
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All the ingredients were there.
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I almost had a reluctant admiration
for Linda for doing that,
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except for the fact I was really pissed
that she made a fool out of my husband.
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I hoaxed the whole thing,
that's what she said, and Budd was a dupe,
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and Budd fell for it.
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Yeah.
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Well, if that was the case,
tell me who operated on my nose.
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Next slide, please.
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[Carol] Budd called it
the radiological smoking gun.
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An X-ray of the alien implant
that was said to be in her nose.
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That was an interesting piece
of physical evidence.
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In that white drawer
full of original source material
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that Budd used for the book,
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I found the actual X-ray.
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It did look like
some squiggly little thing
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inside her nose.
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But when you get down to it,
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you could get the same effect
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by taping something
to the outside of a nose.
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[Peter] There's always gonna be people
that can talk it away.
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That obviously somehow
she stuck this thing up her nose.
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Or worse, that Hopkins
was involved in doing it.
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These are…
I mean, that's just beyond creepy.
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[melancholy music plays]
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[Carol] I was in a place
that was utterly uncomfortable.
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I loved Budd.
481
00:30:16,981 --> 00:30:21,653
He seemed to be so full of integrity,
so full of honesty.
482
00:30:23,404 --> 00:30:25,532
But if this was a hoax,
483
00:30:26,491 --> 00:30:29,202
I wanted to know
if my husband was part of it.
484
00:30:30,203 --> 00:30:31,913
[uneasy music plays]
485
00:30:34,374 --> 00:30:40,129
[Carol] And then I started to realize
what Budd had put forward in Witnessed
486
00:30:40,213 --> 00:30:41,631
was not the full story.
487
00:30:44,008 --> 00:30:46,594
Budd cherry-picked compelling details
488
00:30:47,637 --> 00:30:51,850
but ignored anything
that presented difficult questions.
489
00:30:52,934 --> 00:30:56,271
And that's when my alarm bells went off.
490
00:30:56,354 --> 00:31:01,401
I began to fear it wasn't just Linda
who was doing the misleading.
491
00:31:03,361 --> 00:31:06,072
There was a lot of misleading
by Budd himself.
492
00:31:06,155 --> 00:31:07,240
What's the matter?
493
00:31:10,743 --> 00:31:13,746
[Carol] I just felt
that I had to challenge him.
494
00:31:14,497 --> 00:31:18,251
[Carol] Well, I would like to have a case
that's absolutely provable
495
00:31:19,002 --> 00:31:23,381
and where there were
unimpeachable witnesses.
496
00:31:23,464 --> 00:31:25,717
Uh, I've got many, many such cases.
497
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,594
- [cat meows]
- Many such cases.
498
00:31:27,677 --> 00:31:30,763
But what… but what's a scientist
gonna say to that?
499
00:31:30,847 --> 00:31:32,390
I don't care about things like that.
500
00:31:32,473 --> 00:31:35,143
- Sure, you've got all that. We don't--
- [Carol] They're stories.
501
00:31:35,226 --> 00:31:36,978
We… we don't count… Yes.
502
00:31:37,645 --> 00:31:42,442
Uh, stories are, of course,
eyewitness accounts.
503
00:31:42,525 --> 00:31:44,444
A story sounds like fiction.
504
00:31:44,527 --> 00:31:46,571
An eyewitness account
sounds like evidence.
505
00:31:46,654 --> 00:31:49,741
I find it… I find it disgusting.
I find it repellent.
506
00:31:49,824 --> 00:31:53,494
I find it demeaning
of… of one's normal humanity.
507
00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:55,914
This is not the way
we operate in the real world.
508
00:31:55,997 --> 00:31:57,999
This is not the way we treat one another.
509
00:31:59,417 --> 00:32:04,172
Oh boy. That was a repeat of history
I did… hadn't planned on.
510
00:32:05,465 --> 00:32:07,467
Your questions aren't welcome here.
511
00:32:11,095 --> 00:32:14,724
To me, that resonated way, way back.
512
00:32:16,017 --> 00:32:17,727
I didn't wanna talk about this.
513
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:20,104
These are traumatic memories,
514
00:32:20,188 --> 00:32:22,357
things I'd not thought about
for a long time.
515
00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:24,984
We were Plymouth Brethren,
516
00:32:25,068 --> 00:32:29,614
and… Plymouth Brethren
are a fundamentalist…
517
00:32:30,114 --> 00:32:32,116
almost a clan now of people.
518
00:32:32,825 --> 00:32:35,578
We were to keep
the world separate from us.
519
00:32:36,329 --> 00:32:38,873
"This is a dangerous place.
Don't go there."
520
00:32:39,916 --> 00:32:41,542
So we didn't go to movies.
521
00:32:41,626 --> 00:32:45,672
We didn't have television,
magazines, or newspapers.
522
00:32:48,633 --> 00:32:51,803
We believed that every word
in the Bible was true.
523
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:53,846
But as I got older,
524
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:59,686
I was less able to accept things
that were not scientifically valid.
525
00:33:00,812 --> 00:33:06,943
Questions were considered
the tip of the iceberg of your doubt.
526
00:33:07,527 --> 00:33:14,158
After, you know, a year of my asking
increasingly unwelcome questions,
527
00:33:14,242 --> 00:33:17,870
my father stood
in the middle of the room and he said,
528
00:33:17,954 --> 00:33:19,664
"You're not my daughter anymore."
529
00:33:23,459 --> 00:33:27,171
There were 72 members of my family
in the group.
530
00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:32,343
I lost everybody
in one fell swoop, really.
531
00:33:34,929 --> 00:33:36,931
That was terribly wounding.
532
00:33:37,765 --> 00:33:39,934
And it also made me furious.
533
00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:47,066
I have this little skeptical doobie,
doubting Thomas inside me
534
00:33:47,150 --> 00:33:49,944
that keeps coming up and poking at things.
535
00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:51,279
And I get in trouble.
536
00:33:51,821 --> 00:33:53,698
I lose things. I lose people.
537
00:33:55,408 --> 00:33:57,827
[uneasy music plays]
538
00:33:57,910 --> 00:34:00,580
[Peter] I started to see
a very different side to Carol.
539
00:34:01,330 --> 00:34:03,791
Angry, frustrated,
540
00:34:04,625 --> 00:34:06,627
and increasingly vindictive.
541
00:34:07,795 --> 00:34:14,343
She seemed to be more and more
formulating an attack on Budd's work.
542
00:34:16,304 --> 00:34:21,184
He had shaped for himself
a particular belief system.
543
00:34:22,602 --> 00:34:24,103
[Budd] I often think of myself
544
00:34:24,187 --> 00:34:26,814
as a very religious personwithout a religion.
545
00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:29,942
And, uh, maybe I'm inventing my own.
546
00:34:32,111 --> 00:34:34,072
[Carol] As I started thinking about it,
547
00:34:34,655 --> 00:34:37,742
his dogma was as strong as my father's.
548
00:34:38,534 --> 00:34:42,705
Each man wholeheartedly believed
they were the truth.
549
00:34:43,372 --> 00:34:47,960
And you shot down anybody
who didn't believe your truth.
550
00:34:51,172 --> 00:34:53,508
She was particularly critical
551
00:34:53,591 --> 00:34:56,511
about the way he conducted
his hypnotic regressions.
552
00:34:56,594 --> 00:34:58,179
Putting my hand back on your forehead.
553
00:34:58,262 --> 00:35:00,598
[Peter] That they were manipulative,
554
00:35:00,681 --> 00:35:03,059
and that his intention was to lead people.
555
00:35:03,142 --> 00:35:05,186
[Budd] Let's go to that.
Let's move to that.
556
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:08,731
[crying] No. It's so ugly. No.
557
00:35:09,398 --> 00:35:11,984
I felt that Budd had lost his objectivity.
558
00:35:12,068 --> 00:35:13,027
[whimpers]
559
00:35:13,694 --> 00:35:16,364
[Carol] I don't know
if it was through the Linda case…
560
00:35:16,447 --> 00:35:18,449
[whimpers]
561
00:35:19,242 --> 00:35:20,952
[Carol] …or earlier than that.
562
00:35:22,161 --> 00:35:27,667
I couldn't respect what I heard him do
to people who were vulnerable.
563
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:28,876
Very vulnerable.
564
00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:30,878
I want my mommy.
565
00:35:31,587 --> 00:35:33,589
[Budd] You're gonna be with her
in just a little bit.
566
00:35:33,673 --> 00:35:37,009
[Carol] I had to try
to protect other people
567
00:35:37,093 --> 00:35:39,554
from being tormented this way.
568
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,850
[man 4] I don't wanna see these things.
[cries]
569
00:35:43,933 --> 00:35:45,476
[Carol] I was sick.
570
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,020
I was literally sick
of the whole business.
571
00:35:48,104 --> 00:35:51,691
And the only thing
that I could think to do
572
00:35:51,774 --> 00:35:53,568
was to speak out about it.
573
00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:55,653
[uneasy music plays]
574
00:35:57,697 --> 00:36:01,159
So I wrote an essay and posted it online.
575
00:36:05,955 --> 00:36:07,748
I mean, really, what the fuck?
576
00:36:09,709 --> 00:36:12,461
She is a bitch.
577
00:36:15,214 --> 00:36:19,635
She used my case and me and my family
578
00:36:20,636 --> 00:36:22,972
as a tool to get even with Budd.
579
00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:29,478
[Peter] She had a new cause in life
of destroying this man.
580
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:32,940
All you have is your reputation,
and it's over.
581
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:37,778
Budd's book Witnessed wasn't republished.
582
00:36:38,529 --> 00:36:41,699
It didn't ultimately become a movie.
583
00:36:42,366 --> 00:36:45,369
This is very disappointing for any writer.
584
00:36:48,664 --> 00:36:51,876
I have such a deep dislike
and lack of respect for this woman.
585
00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:54,879
[Linda] She's a son of a bitch.
586
00:36:56,255 --> 00:36:57,465
No doubt about it.
587
00:36:57,548 --> 00:36:59,508
She tried to hurt a lot of people.
588
00:37:00,968 --> 00:37:04,013
[Carol] I think
Linda does try to take me down
589
00:37:04,722 --> 00:37:08,643
at every opportunity she gets.
590
00:37:10,436 --> 00:37:14,190
I never confronted Linda
about the things that she did.
591
00:37:14,273 --> 00:37:15,900
[funereal music plays]
592
00:37:17,652 --> 00:37:21,739
[Linda] Well, Carol Rainey,
no one believes you.
593
00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:27,078
And no one believes you
is because you are a liar.
594
00:37:29,622 --> 00:37:31,415
And it's as simple as that.
595
00:37:32,333 --> 00:37:36,337
Everybody has your number.
596
00:37:37,755 --> 00:37:42,260
Your ex-husband has been dead
for 12, 13 years.
597
00:37:43,844 --> 00:37:49,183
And it wasn't enough for you to try,
make the attempt to ruin his reputation.
598
00:37:50,351 --> 00:37:54,605
Now you're trying to ruin his legacy.
599
00:37:56,232 --> 00:37:57,775
But, oh, but you can't.
600
00:37:59,527 --> 00:38:03,614
All you've succeeded in doing
was to discredit yourself.
601
00:38:09,328 --> 00:38:11,998
[Carol] You did lie,
and I will say you're a liar,
602
00:38:12,081 --> 00:38:13,791
and I'm sorry about that.
603
00:38:14,417 --> 00:38:16,168
But I will tell the truth.
604
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,632
It… It's best not to mess
with Linda or her family.
605
00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:27,138
Because, uh… there'll be no warning.
606
00:38:28,931 --> 00:38:29,765
Wow.
607
00:38:33,102 --> 00:38:34,812
[director] Is that
what you expected to hear?
608
00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:36,772
It was crushing.
609
00:38:38,566 --> 00:38:39,775
And it was hurtful.
610
00:38:42,153 --> 00:38:46,490
And I think I've acknowledged my part
in the things going wrong.
611
00:38:46,574 --> 00:38:48,576
[melancholy music plays]
612
00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:59,712
[Carol] I don't see any point
regretting a… a part of your life.
613
00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:03,674
There… there were elements of it
that were very exhilarating.
614
00:39:05,259 --> 00:39:10,222
Linda's was the most complex hoax
that I'd ever seen.
615
00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:15,978
But that doesn't make
the whole phenomenon all a lie.
616
00:39:17,855 --> 00:39:22,151
You'd have to be silly not to know
that there are other beings
617
00:39:22,735 --> 00:39:27,239
that are out there
in this unbelievably dense universe
618
00:39:27,323 --> 00:39:29,742
that we're only beginning
to see right now.
619
00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:32,828
[reporter 1] A Pentagon reportis detailing
620
00:39:32,912 --> 00:39:35,706
a dramatic increase in UFO sightings.
621
00:39:35,790 --> 00:39:37,458
[reporter 2] The governmentis investigating
622
00:39:37,541 --> 00:39:40,044
more than 650 potential sightings.
623
00:39:40,127 --> 00:39:43,672
[reporter 3] Last year, NASA put togetherthis team to study the phenomenon.
624
00:39:44,173 --> 00:39:46,008
[Peter] Things have changed.
625
00:39:46,092 --> 00:39:51,305
Every day, more and more people
realize this is real.
626
00:39:54,058 --> 00:39:56,185
We had witnesses in the American Congress
627
00:39:56,268 --> 00:40:00,898
talking about biological entities
and crashes and recoveries.
628
00:40:00,981 --> 00:40:03,526
Do you believe that our governmentis in possession of UAPs?
629
00:40:03,609 --> 00:40:06,612
Absolutely. Based on interviewing,uh, over 40 witnesses.
630
00:40:07,905 --> 00:40:12,284
[Peter] Perhaps we'll get to a time
where people look back on Budd…
631
00:40:14,537 --> 00:40:17,289
and see that he was
a real pioneer in this work
632
00:40:19,166 --> 00:40:22,962
and a case like Linda's
633
00:40:23,045 --> 00:40:26,340
will be taken more seriously
by more people.
634
00:40:32,138 --> 00:40:34,974
[Linda] Quite frankly,
at this stage in my life,
635
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:36,684
I don't care.
636
00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:41,105
It's not easy to believe, let's face it.
637
00:40:41,188 --> 00:40:42,440
That's the truth.
638
00:40:43,649 --> 00:40:47,903
Unless you have experienced this yourself.
639
00:40:47,987 --> 00:40:49,989
[lively music plays]
640
00:40:50,781 --> 00:40:57,413
[Linda] Sometimes I watch all the people
walking and talking and smiling.
641
00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:04,962
I wonder how many have had
the same experience I have had…
642
00:41:07,631 --> 00:41:09,675
and they just don't know it.
643
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:13,929
I'm nothing special.
644
00:41:14,847 --> 00:41:19,018
I'm just… one out of all those millions.
645
00:41:21,145 --> 00:41:22,438
[uneasy music plays]
646
00:41:24,064 --> 00:41:25,441
[Linda] Before I go to bed,
647
00:41:25,524 --> 00:41:29,445
the first thing I do
is look behind the drapes.
648
00:41:33,282 --> 00:41:34,408
In the closet.
649
00:41:35,868 --> 00:41:38,287
You never know when it's going to happen.
650
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,374
But I don't feel any safer.
651
00:41:45,628 --> 00:41:46,629
Not at all.
652
00:41:50,841 --> 00:41:52,843
These aliens, these creatures,
653
00:41:54,178 --> 00:41:57,765
if they want you, they're gonna get you.
654
00:42:06,232 --> 00:42:11,445
♪ When I need a shoulder to cry on ♪
655
00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:16,951
♪ And I need somebody to rely on ♪
656
00:42:17,034 --> 00:42:21,455
♪ Don't let me down ♪
657
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:26,418
♪ You're the only oneMeans anything to me ♪
658
00:42:26,502 --> 00:42:28,963
♪ No one else ♪
659
00:42:29,046 --> 00:42:34,093
♪ Could ever be ♪
660
00:42:34,176 --> 00:42:39,056
♪ So don't let me down ♪
661
00:42:40,975 --> 00:42:46,355
♪ When I see there's trouble before me ♪
662
00:42:46,939 --> 00:42:51,986
♪ And this whole worldSeems to ignore me ♪
663
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:56,574
♪ Don't let me down ♪
664
00:42:57,074 --> 00:43:01,537
♪ I don't knowIf I could face it all alone ♪
665
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:04,498
♪ I can't make it ♪
666
00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:08,961
♪ On my own ♪
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