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All right guys, how to work with filmmakers.
This is a somewhat of a dry topic
but it's an important one, especially if you're
not experienced, you haven't shot many weddings or
the only experience that you have with filmmakers
is negative.
And there's a lot of things to consider
in this scenario.
So first of all, I've got to establish
first that we need a proper timeline to
do our job.
Okay, so let's say for example you're photographing
a wedding and I discourage working on an
hourly rate unless you're in a place like
Las Vegas where you have two, three hour
gigs, it's a short shotgun wedding and that's
basically it.
I'm talking about the traditional kind of a
wedding where it's, you know, a ceremony, a
reception, you've got time for location portraits, you
do a groom's coverage, a bride's coverage or
grooms and grooms and brides and brides depending
on same sex weddings or whatever you're basically
doing.
And if you limit it to let's say
a three, four hour shoot, then you've got
no time for anything.
And all of a sudden if a filmmaker
comes along and they want their time to
do what they do, then you've lost it
even more.
And then all of a sudden you start
complaining, you get anxious, you get, you feel
under pressure and it's all the filmmaker's fault
or whatever it may be.
So what we need to do is understand
that we don't come first, the videographers don't
come first, the couple comes first, the family
comes first.
So what do we need to actually educate
ourselves with and educate each other and as
in filmmakers and photographers, how can we all
get along that we can all get our
job done right and everyone's happy.
So we can't assume anything is the point,
we can't assume anything.
In other words, my strong encouragement to you
is that in your collections, don't just do
an hourly rate, include the groom's coverage, the
bride's coverage, the ceremony, locations, up into the
first hour of the reception and so on.
And of course, you know, you've seen me
in different episodes talking about pricing structures and
what to include in all those different things.
Perhaps, Melissa, if you can go maybe find
the how to price your wedding collections, that
might be a good little reference point to
this particular episode.
And also the time for everything episode or
we may have had that in writing more
than a video.
So what I'm getting at guys is you
have to create a timeline that is actually
perfect for you and perfect for the client.
In other words, the client are going to
book you based upon albums and photographs they
see on the internet, on their Instagram, on
your website and things like that.
And you may have had two hours to
photograph the bride and then all of a
sudden they give you half an hour and
then the filmmaker wants, you know, most of
that and all of a sudden you've got
nothing.
So it is an education process and don't
freak out that they're not going to book
you because you need more time.
Maybe you're conscientious enough and you educate them
enough that they're like, wow, this photographer's thought
of everything.
This is really important for us.
So my suggestion is that you, I personally
for most of my career, I've always, I
don't ask for, I tell them this is
what I need.
You need to be ready two hours before
you have to go for the ceremony.
So for example, if it's all at the
same venue, the wedding, as in the coverages
at each individual, again whether it's a groom
or bride, two grooms or two brides, whatever.
If let's assume it's a heterosexual couple, so
you've got the groom and the bride and
let's say the bride is about to leave,
let's say the ceremony's at three o'clock
and she wants about 10 minutes to go
to the bathroom, have a drink and then
walk towards the ceremony's going to be.
So you'll be there at say 2.45,
as in you'll leave at 2.45, which
means that you will get to her place
at 12.45. That'll give you two hours.
Then you minus 15 minutes because, you know,
you've got to pack your bags, go to
a different hotel room, which means 12.30
you'll need to finish at the groom's, which
means you have an hour and a half
at the groom's, which means that you'll be
there at 11 o'clock.
Does that make sense?
Let's just redo the timeline.
You've got groom's coverage here at 11 o
'clock, you've got 12.30 you leave the
groom's, 12.45 you start the brides and
2.45 you finish, then the ceremony and
so on and so on and so on.
Now it's important, we're going to sort of
chop and change a few different things in
this conversation because it's sort of not an
easily cohesive conversation to have because there's many
things that we have to talk about.
You're first going to ask, have you booked
a filmmaker yet?
And they might say, no.
And then you might say, well, who are
you thinking of actually, you know, hiring for
your filmmaking?
And they even might say, so-and-so.
Never actually say, oh, don't get them, they're
terrible.
And also you want to basically ally yourself
with someone.
And I'll talk a bit more about this
later on, but if you have a filmmaker
that you really enjoy working with and is
conducive of working with you and your style
and is unobtrusive and things like that, then
that's a really good place to start.
But we'll talk about that in a moment.
I'm talking about your perfect timeline and what
is it that you need to actually do
an incredible coverage and at least meet their
expectations, let alone exceed them.
Now, if the filmmaker, whether you know who
it is or not, whether they're booking them
or not, you need to find out, are
they an unobtrusive style?
Are they more a directive style?
What do they need?
For example, they might need 20, 30 minutes
at the groom's coverage independent of you.
And it could be after they get ready
and before you take the photographs of them
properly.
You might ask the bride, say, hey, what
do you need at the bride's coverage?
It could be the filmmakers might need 45
minutes, which basically means that if they need
time independent of you, you've got to find
out where in that mix that they want
to be at.
In other words, usually filmmakers need action.
They need sort of movement.
They need motion, which basically means that they're
probably going to want a little bit of
the bride finishing off getting ready, putting earrings
on, putting the dress on, zipping it up,
getting mom to hold the dress, maybe a
reveal, who knows?
You've got to find out what they need.
And don't dismiss it as not important because
someone on the other side of the world
is probably having this conversation is how to
work with photographers on a filmmaking educational website.
And again, we'll come to that perspective in
a moment.
So timeline is really, really important.
And maybe having a relationship before the wedding
day with the filmmakers, if you've never worked
with them, is important as well.
So I would say, ask the bride and
groom to have your pre-wedding meeting first,
as in all the details of the wedding
first.
And then you could possibly even ring the
filmmaker when they're there with you, or even
if it's interstate or overseas, you can do
a Skype phone call, and then you can
go from there.
And like I said, it's all about communication.
It's understanding what the needs are of the
filmmakers.
And don't dismiss them as irrelevant because that's
not, one, that's just not nice.
Two, the couple are expecting a really good
video.
I mean, filmmaking has changed dramatically over the
years.
It's become more cinematic with the introduction of
the 5D Mark I.
All of a sudden, filmmaking got exposed in
a lot broader way to photographers and people
have changed careers and all these different things.
It's become more cinematic.
When I started, they wanted the whole day.
It was a two, three-hour video, and
a short version would be half an hour.
These days, most couples just want a five
-minute video.
So they don't need much.
But what you have to understand is that
if you just pose only, and you pose
every single scene, and there's no movement, filmmakers
are going to struggle to make that look
interesting because really, they're just filming poses.
They're not filming a moment.
So you'll find that the way I photograph,
I'll often, yes, I'll do my poses, I'll
do my looking away, looking down, looking whatever,
but then I'll get them to interact, look
at each other, have a laugh, have some
fun, look away, have a giggle, make them
laugh.
All they need is that split second, that
one or two seconds.
So that's important to understand that filmmakers need
motion.
And if you're a photographer that directs everything,
I mean, even though that I direct a
lot, I do add movement and motion because
that's what they need.
And you have to understand that.
So based upon that, if you basically emulate
a style that I do, for example, which
is a combination of photojournalism at the ceremony
and at the reception, but then you mostly
direct the grooms, the brides, and maybe location
portraits, then the ideal filmmaker, as far as
photographer's perspective or concern is basically one that
is unobtrusive, that works over the shoulder of
the photographer and doesn't rely on steady cams
going right in front of the photographer and
all that kind of stuff.
And I'm saying, if they want that, that's
okay.
You just have to allow for it and
make sure everyone has time and there's no
friction, there's no challenges.
And then the couple get an incredible video
and the film, and then we get our
incredible coverage as well.
So just know that just because we're biased
and it's photography that we believe is the
most important thing, we can't dismiss filmmaking is
irrelevant or not important to the couple because
these days, sometimes the people are spending a
lot more in filmmaking than our photographers because
there's three or four people at the wedding,
there's lots of different angles, tripods, monopods, jibs,
all that kind of stuff, and you name
it.
So you've got to work out what you
believe that suits your style, what is the
ideal filmmaker and harmony and chemistry that you'll
have that makes the day go really, really
cool.
Personally, I like one, like I said, to
be unobtrusive, almost without sounding disrespectful, to be
subordinate to me, as in, let me direct
the whole day and then you'll get magic.
So that's important, like fly on the wall
approach, over the shoulder of the photographer or
whatever it might be.
Now, let's talk about this for a second.
If you, if let's say you don't have
a filmmaker that you refer a lot or
refers to you, then find one.
How important is that?
I mean, you could get so much work
from a filmmaker that it becomes part of
your business.
In other words, find a filmmaker that suits
your style, your personality.
In other words, if you agree with me,
someone unobtrusive, someone that has a longer focal
length, someone that can shoot around you, don't,
we don't duplicate shots.
You're not, you know, getting each other's shots
in the way of during the ceremony reception,
we'll come to that.
All those things, find a filmmaker that suits
you, that does that style and ring them
up and say, hey, hey, John, I'd love
to, I'd love to work more with you.
I really believe our styles really worked well
together.
If you remember, we did John and Mary's
Wedding only a month ago.
And I really hope that you enjoyed working
together.
And how about we create a referral system?
When you get couples who don't have photography
and they book you, refer me and I'll
do the same for you.
And make sure that you do refer them
because there's nothing worse than creating a referral
base where one party is referring the other
and that's crickets for the other person.
And that's not very fair.
So find someone that you like working with,
refer them, refer them and then your styles
don't conflict and life is good.
Now, let me tell you a bit about
history about how I started.
When I carried the bags of a successful
photographer for about a year and a half
or so, no pay, and then started to
get paid and start to do some shoots
and then started to shoot for weddings, my
boss, Peter, he asked me to work for
him full time.
He had a partner called John.
So Peter and John paid my wage and
I was the studio manager in this busy
studio.
So I was working there for three and
a half years.
And it was great because our styles complement
each other.
Now, what had happened was that I started
my own business after three and a half
years and then John preferred me than my
boss.
And I just sort of said, look, I'm
not having an affair with you.
You have to leave your husband, so to
speak, before we have an affair.
And then it's not an affair.
I just believe monogamy.
In other words, I don't feel right about
doing the dirty on my boss.
If you feel like you want to leave,
then you've got to leave and then perhaps
I'll open up that door.
Cut a long story short, we became partners.
For those of you who don't know, my
studio name was called Xsite, spelled X-S
-I-G-H-T, Xsite Photography and Video.
I registered as a business, Xsite Photography, he
registered Xsite Video.
We both joined in on the trademark and
the pattern, we gave each other permission to
call the business name.
I don't know how it works here in
America, but we did Xsite Photography and Xsite
Video and it was great.
Then what had happened was we had two
locations.
So he already had a location, I had
another one.
So we covered the north and the south
of Melbourne and it was fantastic.
Eventually, he left his studio, came with me,
so we could halve the price of rent
and utilities.
Also, what made us big among just hard
work and doing beautiful work was we shared
the expenses of marketing.
We hired a receptionist, we paid half their
wage, we paid half for marketing.
So in other words, there could be a
filmmaker who's struggling just as much as you
right now, who would kill to have a
little office in a first floor of a
suburban street that's quite popular.
The rent might be $2,000 a month,
you halve it, all of a sudden you
get a studio manager that can manage all
your bookings and phone calls and maybe some
basic accounting and bookkeeping.
All of a sudden, you've got this incredible
business because you're doubling your referral base and
you're looking after each other and you work
in harmony together.
So we became one of, if not Australia's,
probably one of Australia's largest studios at the
time and it worked very, very well.
Again, there was no, hey, can we redo
this, can we redo that, and that's basically
it.
Now, let's talk about this.
So let's talk a bit more about what
happens if the filmmaker wants to direct.
So they want to take control, they want
to have the bride doing up the earrings,
they want to put their cameras in there,
whatever, whatever.
And let's say you didn't refer them, they
had already booked the filmmaker and you get
to the wedding day and you get the
sense that that's what they're going to do.
So what if it's too late?
What happens if you didn't receive this beforehand
and you're sort of stuck?
Well, here's what I normally do.
Whether I've actually communicated with the filmmaker or
not beforehand, on the wedding day, I'll say,
guys, if you don't mind, do you mind
if I direct the first series of shots?
Because this might just be the easiest wedding
that you'll ever film.
Because what I do, I'll post people, I'll
like people, but I'll always allow motion at
the end of it.
And because I know, this is me talking
to the filmmaker, I know that all you
need is three, four seconds, whether it's someone
moving, someone leaning forward for a kiss, laughing,
giggling, looking away.
I know that that's all you need.
And they nod, yes, thank you.
So then I start directing a couple of
shots.
I always add that motion at the end.
And yes, it is the easiest wedding that
they've ever actually filmed.
Sometimes I've already got my shot and I
know they're still filming and I'm directing and
I've stood up, the camera's even off my
person, and I'm like, yep, keep on moving,
walking this way, love that, yep, interacting, crack
it up, look at the best man, and
fade to black.
And I just make this joke.
And the filmmakers love me because I do
make their life easier.
I've lit them, I've posed them beautifully, I've
flattered them, and the motion is just there.
See, we have to understand that filmmakers might
shoot five hours of footage, but might only
need five minutes.
So if I was doing a tutorial on
filmmaking, I would say just don't shoot anything,
it's not important.
Only shoot the motion.
If the couple want a photojournalistic approach to
their film, as in more documentary style, then
don't film the static poses.
Once you know how I work, like towards
the end of it, then you'll see the
motion and so on.
So I thought before we discuss the more
intricacies of filmmaking and all this kind of
stuff, I want to show you, Melissa's and
I, a wedding video.
Matt, who shot our film, he did our
wedding film.
Now, just for those who are hardcore copywriters
and all that kind of stuff, just know
that the actual music that you're about to
listen to is commercial music.
You'll recognise the song, it's Hallelujah from Jeff
Buckley, one of our favourite songs.
He and we, we have a license in
Australia that allows us to use commercial music
only for domestic clients as the end user.
In other words, he was allowed to produce
this video for us because we paid royalty
to the Commission of Music or whatever it
is in Australia.
I'm not too sure if there's an equivalent
here, there probably is.
Once you get over a certain level of
commercial quality kind of music, then you've sort
of got to be careful and buy a
license.
But usually for the domestic users, like just,
I want it for my wedding video, no
problem.
If you start using it to promote or
sell videos, then that's a little bit different.
So that's a whole other conversation.
But just know that the license was purchased
to use this for us.
I'm showing you this one for fun.
I want to show you, and it might
be fun to actually relieve our wedding day,
that was over eight and a half years
ago.
But I want you to pay attention to
what was being filmed and let's diagnose it
together to understand the needs of a filmmaker.
So let's roll the tape.
That's a private joke.
The minor fall and the major lift.
The baffled king composing hallelujah.
Your faith was strong, but you needed proof.
You saw her bathing on the roof.
She tied you to her kitchen chair.
She broke your throne.
She cut your hair.
And from your lips she drew her heart.
I ask my family and friends present to
witness that I, Kiriakos Dionis, take you, Melissa
Rebecca Tirado, for my lawful wedded wife.
Whenever I think of you, I picture your
beautiful smile and your contagious laugh.
You are a gift to everyone you meet,
but you're a treasure to me.
You have such a beautiful warm heart and
a generous spirit.
You are not only gorgeous, but you have
a gorgeous soul.
I'm literally addicted to you.
For the first time ever, I found my
true soulmate, you.
I love you with all of my heart
and with all every fiber of my being.
And I want you to know I will
always protect our family.
With everything that I have.
I just can't wait to become your wife
and your partner for the rest of my
life.
Jerry and Melissa, do you promise that you'll
be kind, faithful, affectionate, considerate, and a true
companion during your life together?
We do.
I declare you to be husband and wife.
Oh, maybe
there's a God above, It truly
gives me great joy to see a couple
so madly in love, so perfectly suited, and
so stunningly compatible in every way.
If anyone has ever lost faith in love
and romance, all they need to do is
look into you.
You're an incredible artist, as you know, but
the relationship that you guys are going to
be building, and have built in particular, I
think may be one of your greatest works
that you're going to leave behind, because just
being in the presence of you two is
touching people in these truly beautiful places.
I'm so honored to be here, and so
humbled to call you both friends, and I'll
always love you absolutely unconditionally, so thank you
for letting me be part of this.
You're my best friend, you're my favorite person
in the world, you've taught me that unconditional
love really exists, and you've shown me what
it feels like to have that kind of
love, and I'll forever be grateful for that.
Wow.
I haven't seen that for a while, I
knew I'd get a bit emotional watching it.
Just beautiful.
I just want to go spoon with you
baby now.
Let's get back on track here.
You saw that that told a complete story
by really just one song's worth.
You think about it.
Now, this video probably, in difference to most
videos these days, there was a lot of
direction there.
When Melissa was getting ready, when I was
getting ready, that was all directed by the
filmmaker.
We had taken, I, you probably have seen
the photographs that I've taken of Melissa and
I took of each other in a mirror,
so I had done that independent of the
filmmaker.
The filmmaker then came to me and said,
hey, let's get you putting on the belt,
putting on the shoes, let's get you fixing
your hair.
Melissa, walk out this way.
So you can see that I don't regret
doing that.
As a photographer and as a groom and
as a couple, I'm like, I was very
happy to be directed by the filmmaker.
It's not all just about the photography because
the motion of video and all those different
things actually mean the world.
So my suggestion is that you need to
understand that everyone's got a job to do
and don't underestimate actually what the filmmaker is
doing and how much the actual couple want
it.
Now, yes, usually if a couple are going
to book at least one thing, it will
be photography.
It usually will be photography only and not
film.
And sometimes they'll get both and that's basically
it.
But also, don't forget too that, well, actually,
I was going to say a thought, but
I want to come to that in a
moment, but you saw how most scenes did
not last for more than a few seconds,
even though that most were directed.
When it came to the ceremony and the
speeches, that was all photojournalistic and that was
fine.
What you'll find, though, like we basically had
a second day coverage, a second day shoot,
and that was more the fashionable approach and
that was just of us.
And to be honest, I preferred the actual
photojournalistic stuff a lot more than I would
the kind of stuff that I direct for
myself, as in for other couples.
So that's a really, really important thing.
Now, so let's just go back to it.
You want to do your homework as to
the kind of filmmaker, again, that suits your
style.
Find out that person, sort out that person,
and that's who you refer and so on.
But I also want to talk about having
a game plan.
So let's say, for example, you find it
a little bit challenging at the groom's home
or the bride's home, maybe locations and all
things like that.
You haven't actually spoken to them.
There's really, you haven't really thought about it.
When it comes to the filmmakers, what you
need to do is discuss a game plan.
So let's say if you introduce yourself as,
hey, I'm Jerry, whatever, you know, this might
just be the easiest day that you'll have.
I'll put them in beautiful light.
I'll pose them beautifully and always allow for
motion.
So it may just be the easiest wedding
that you've ever filmed.
By that point, they'll probably, they might say,
oh, fantastic.
Well, don't worry about it.
I don't even direct them at all anyway.
You just do your thing.
That's what they'll normally say.
Some people who direct say, okay, well, let's
see.
We'll see how we go.
Then I'll direct a couple of shots and
I'll turn to the filmmaker and say, hey,
does that work for you?
You know, you can attract more bees with
honey than anything else.
So don't just puff your chest up and
I'm the photographer.
Look at me.
I'm the award winner and you're nothing.
No, they've got a job to do as
well.
So my advice to you is actually work
with the filmmakers as much as you can
before the wedding, even before you book.
Hey, who are you thinking of getting as
a filmmaker?
You'll basically say, well, so-and-so, or
do you need a referral?
Do you refer them?
Then you create a timeline and you suggest
a timeline that's conducive of you and the
filmmaker doing your job.
So when you get to the wedding day,
the game plan is this.
Ask them, hey, let's say the filmmaker's Joe.
Joe, where are you thinking about standing during
the actual ceremony?
They might say, well, I'm going to basically
be right at the back of the church
before the processional.
And where will you be when the bride
walks down the aisle?
Now, some filmmakers will be, in fact, with
a little, what do you call it, monopod
or a, Joe, what do you call it?
A gimbal.
They might be there with a gimbal and
walk down with the bride right behind.
And all of a sudden, not only are
they in your way, the groom can't get
a glimpse of his wife-to-be or
all the parents and all of a sudden
that's just not right.
So you want to shut that crap down
very, very quickly so that you will get
the shot.
And the funny thing is we have zoom
lenses and we have different focal lengths.
So it shouldn't be too much of a
problem to do this.
But if you ask these questions before the
wedding day, you could shut that down even
before the wedding day starts.
In other words, hey, make sure your filmmaker
does not stand in front of you as
you walk down the aisle because you want
him to be able to see your man
and vice versa.
So please ask them that question and then
you eliminate that.
Great.
There's another problem done.
Where will you be during the ceremony?
Well, I'll be, there'll be a fixed camera
here and so on.
So if there's a fixed camera in the
middle of the aisle, which almost certainly there
will be, just say, well, there will be
times where I have to go in the
middle of the ceremony, the middle of the
aisle and photograph the couple during the kiss.
Will that work with you every so often
or will you come up during the important
parts of the vows, the ring exchange and
everything?
If they say, well, look, that's going to
be tough.
Well, how about I'll take my shot and
I'll move on?
Or if you move the camera up, I'll
squat down.
Will that work for you?
So what I'm getting at is we're just
trying to work together.
Also, whenever you're actually photographing a ceremony, really
be mindful of where the actual filmmaker is.
The filmmaker, as anyone would, will get the
actual better vantage point and want to get
over the shoulder of the groom or the
bride or both and be able to see
the vows and so on.
You'll want the same thing.
So really, because they're more stationary, they're not
going to move around as much as we
do, you've got the freedom to move around.
So you've just got to be respectful and
mindful of who's in front of you and
so on and so forth.
So we'll come to that a little bit
more.
But work out, hey, with the recessional, where
are you going to be and so on.
Have a game plan.
The reception, where will you be standing for
the speeches?
Will you be getting reactions?
I want to make sure that we're not
in each other's way.
Those conversations should be very sweet, should be
very easy.
And like I said, it is not us.
It is not the filmmaker that's most important.
It is the couple.
It's their needs are absolutely first.
Now, what I want to do now is
if we were a news station, it would
be unfair that we are biased to only
one way.
So in other words, we should not just
be talking about, well, it all should be
about the photography and not the filmmaker.
Melissa has done a bit of research to
actually get some feedback from filmmakers that are
having the exact conversations about us as we
are with them.
So, Melissa, we'll take it to you and
if you can talk about some filmmakers' perspective
and maybe it gives us a bit of
insight.
Yeah, so I'm actually part of some filmmaking
groups on Facebook and that kind of thing.
And everything that we say about, or as
much as we talk about videographers and how
we have a hard time with them, they
say they have just as hard time with
photographers as you can imagine.
And I think that we don't always realize
what we're doing that is making their jobs
more difficult, right?
Because it is a high-pressure situation.
We're trying to get our job done.
But sometimes we may be unconsciously making their
job even harder.
So that's why I wanted to bring some
of these things up because perhaps this isn't
even anything that you realize that you are
doing, but it might make you more aware,
which then will make you a better person
to work with as well.
And as Jerry said, the more we can
work together with the filmmaker, the better it's
going to be.
So if you can be a better partner
in that sense as well during the wedding,
then filmmakers are going to be more likely
to want to work with you as well.
So here are just a couple of things.
Jerry mentioned it briefly, but they do need
to get action in front of their camera.
We have the ability with stills to move
around and just take one frame or a
few frames, but it's just still photography.
Whereas they could be needing a five-second
shot, and in second number three, you're constantly
walking in front of their camera.
So they've just almost got their scene, and
then boom, you walk in front of their
camera again.
Boom, you walk in front of their camera
again.
Here are some quotes that I've picked up.
These all just in the last week that
have been said, okay?
Somebody said, this photographer did this at my
wedding this weekend.
It was so bad, and he kept stepping
in front of me so many times that
a guest actually went up to the photographer
and told the photographer to please stop standing
in front of the filmmaker.
That was a first for me.
That was one quote.
Another quote said, you know, we were doing
the couple's portraits, and usually what I do
before the wedding is I say, hey, once
you get your shot, would you be able
to not move them for just a couple
of seconds so I can get a few
seconds of that shot as well?
The photographer said, I guess, and then he
completely disregarded that.
We spent so much time planning for shots
like the bride's reveal to the bridesmaids.
We said where we would stand and everything,
and then as soon as she came out
of the room, the filmmaker changed his mind
and stood directly in front of me the
whole time.
I have never experienced that ever in my
life.
So you can see these examples of photographers
that are stepping in front of the camera,
and I've seen it so many times.
You're just not aware of your surroundings.
You're only concerned with the shot that you
need to get.
But they need to get the same thing
as well.
They need to get their shots, and it's
equally as important.
So just be aware.
Just as you would be aware, I hope,
of not standing in front of the parents
during the ceremony for a long period of
time, not standing in front of the groom
while the bride is coming down the aisle.
I would hope that you would also try
to be aware of where the filmmakers are
so that you can pay attention to them.
And even if you say, well, look, I
don't worry about it because they have two
filmmakers, sometimes we have two photographers.
It doesn't matter.
Just always remember, be as kind to other
people who are working as you would like
them to be to you.
It will always be a better tactic to
take.
Here's another one.
Does anyone have a photographer driving them crazy
at a wedding today?
I've got one that was way too good
to not post.
This photographer was just too damn hands-on,
wanted to do everything herself from tying the
groomsman's ties to pinning the flowers to putting
on the bride's jewelry, and then she just
said, it just goes quicker this way.
Then we can fake it later for the
shot.
That drove me absolutely crazy.
I wanted to say just back off and
let them do it.
I'm pretty sure they know how to put
on some earrings.
So for us, because we've done so many
weddings, it might be faster for us to
do that, but keep in mind, the filmmaker
cannot use any footage of you putting flowers
on somebody's lapel or whatever it is or
putting earrings on.
Let the couple do that first.
If they're having a hard time, then you
can fix it.
But just to see their perspective on it
kind of thing.
Someone replied to that comment and said, what's
worse is when it's a husband and wife
team and you find the wife that's constantly
busting around the bride all day long.
So from the filmmaker's perspective, they've got one
person in the photography team that is constantly
in the shot.
The couple doesn't want to see that in
their film.
When they're looking, like you saw our wedding
video, like if I had a photographer in
the background constantly fussing on me, that photographer
doesn't mean anything to me.
So just be aware of what they have
to do to get their job done as
well.
First look.
We've had that issue before where you're both
trying to get a first look going.
A videographer said, I will never let a
photographer direct a first look again.
Here's how it went.
Okay, stop.
Now walk slowly.
Now stop.
Wait.
Put your hands over his eyes.
Hold on.
Don't move.
Okay.
Now turn around really slowly.
I'm sorry, but this does not look good
on video.
Please let me capture the raw emotion first
and then you can retake all the photos.
Yes, I can take those shots over again
too, but I've already lost the raw emotion.
Just a different perspective on it.
Just so you can see the frustrations that
they might be feeling.
Then there was one crazy one where Sunday's
wedding consisted of the photographer having to leave
early due to dehydration and the photographer told
the bride that I would be able to
cover it for them.
The bride is now mad at me because
I didn't take any photos during the rest
of the wedding.
So that's obviously a crazy situation and I
bring that up because the point is this.
There are unprofessional shooters in both fields.
So when you hear us talking about filmmakers,
oh, this filmmaker, he was so rude or
she was so rude, so hard to work
with them, remember that there are unprofessional people
in every industry.
And so just because you may have a
bad experience on one weekend, please don't paint
that as a broad brush for all filmmakers.
Not all filmmakers are like that.
Same thing is they may have this experience
where the photographer just left and said the
filmmaker would cover it for them.
That's not professional, obviously, but what if that
filmmaker then assumed that all photographers were like
that or had a bad taste in their
mouth for all photographers after that?
So just remember that, you know, you're always
going to find those people that maybe make
things difficult, but that doesn't mean everyone is
like that.
So I wanted to give that perspective, that
little bit of a different perspective so you
can kind of see what they struggle with
too.
The key is this, as Jerry said, it's
just communication.
Talk to each other beforehand and then when
you make a plan, we're going to stand
here, you're going to stand here, stick with
that.
Don't then let everything fly out the window
because you're feeling the pressure.
Remember that we all have a job to
do and people will love working with you
just as much as you love working with
them if you kind of keep that respect
going throughout the whole day.
All right, great perspective.
That was sort of like a CNN report
from the opposition.
Here we see what's going on.
So in summary, guys, today we've been speaking
about how to effectively work in harmony with
filmmakers.
And as I said, there could be another
training website somewhere in the world where a
filmmaker is saying the same thing about photographers.
And I know there's been friction between you
and a filmmaker and vice versa.
Here's the thing, everyone has a job to
do.
It doesn't mean because you're a photographer that
the photography is more important.
To a filmmaker, the filmmaking is more important.
Guess what?
It's not about you, it's not about me,
it's about the couple getting that beautiful story.
So don't be selfish.
Being selfish, it's no way to act on
a wedding day or an event or anything
like that.
Communication, education is the key.
Remember, if you do like to pose, filmmakers
just want that extra few seconds of motion.
They want a little bit of feeling, a
little bit of movement, laughing, crying, whatever it
may be.
Those raw moments, that's what they live for.
And all of a sudden, if you stand
right in front just to get that perfect
shot and they were already there, that's no
way to do things as well.
So remember, guys, that we're all there to
tell a story.
Let's help each other.
Let's not have those ugly moments in front
of the couple.
It's all about the couple.
I hope this gives you some perspective and
a little bit of wisdom based on the
subject, but communication is the key, way before
the wedding to the couple and to the
actual filmmaker, and that's what's going to be
important.
And also, don't forget too, let's say you
do work with an inexperienced filmmaker.
How could the couple, you know, spend only
X amount on a filmmaker and they're so
terrible, they're so inexperienced?
Because guess what?
Perhaps the money that they spent, all they
could afford was a certain filmmaker because all
the money went to you.
That's their budget.
So just know that, you know, sometimes that'll
happen where money is put to a certain
place, and that doesn't mean that they don't
care about the film because they wouldn't have
gotten the first place.
They want the story told.
There are things that photography cannot capture, sound,
motion, movement, things like that.
So just know we all have a job
to do.
If you give respect, you'll get respect, and
couple first.
Remember that.
It's not about you, not about the filmmaker.
It's about the couple.
Let's work together.
Let's make everybody happy.
Then couples will have a great story to
tell, and they will keep on hiring professionals.
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