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Adrian: Every
film I make-
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every-
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they're always
kind of-
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it always comes back to
this kind of family story.
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And I realize-
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that everybody's shaped by-
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by their family.
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When you're adopted-
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you spend your
life feeling isolated.
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When a mother's been gestating
this child for like nine months-
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and then-
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when that child comes
out, they're just-
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they just kind
of disappear.
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But they don't disappear.
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My adoptive mother-
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told me I was from
Newfoundland.
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And from a young age-
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that island in the
North Atlantic-
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has been a
mythical place.
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Seeing the name Baby Boy
Cousins on my birth records-
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changed everything for me.
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I realized I used
to be someone else.
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Linda Swain: This is
On Target St. John's.
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My in-studio guests
are Adrian Wills-
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and Anne Roane Sheldon.
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And Adrian
is a filmmaker.
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He's from Montreal.
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But born in Newfoundland.
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And he's starting
a journey.
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And you don't know where
this is going to take you.
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Adrian: No I don't.
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What I have is the information
that's called a background-
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like, non-identifying
background summary.
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So my biological mother-
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she was 20 years
old, 5'7 tall.
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She was one of
five children-
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all of whom were in
good physical health.
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She had completed
grade eight in school-
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and had been employed-
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in a service
occupation-
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laundry work.
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She was a
quiet girl-
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who did not
talk very much.
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Nor did she find it easy
to express her feelings.
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Linda: You can see where the
mythology starts though-
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Yeah.
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because it's almost poetic.
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You get this sense
of the person she is-
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but not
who she is.
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Anne: Yes.
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Linda: You shared with me
a very powerful excerpt.
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Adrian: And so there's
this one quote that I read-
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that's from a story
by Sandra Newman-
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called The Fortunate Ones.
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And it says-
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An adopted child is really
a wolf raised by humans.
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We are loved children.
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Bastards.
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Unrespectable by blood.
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The world has
chosen to raise us-
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from the goodness
of its heart.
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Our lives are like something
found lying in the street.
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And ours is the world of magic,
fairy-tales, and legends.
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Mythical figures
don't have parents.
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Anne: Wow.
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I mean, that was the best-
written description-
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I've ever heard.
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But you can always
look at your parents-
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and say, I don't
look like my dad.
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I don't look
like mom.
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I know I
belong here-
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because they wanted,
they chose me.
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They wanted me.
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They chose me.
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Right?
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But there's something
in there that says-
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I don't belong here.
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I'd really like to see
somebody that I come from.
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Like I'd love
to see a photo-
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or understand-
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you know- who
these people are.
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Mm-hmm.
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So once again,
babyboycousins-
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with an i-
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at gmail.com.
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So if anybody has the answers
that you're looking for-
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they're welcome to send you
an email and pass it along.
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Adrian: Please do.
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Linda: And we wish
you all the best-
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whatever the
outcome might be.
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Adrian: Thanks for everything.
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Fabulous!
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Thank you!
Adrian: That was great!
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Michael Crummey:
If you find-
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anything about who
these people are-
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that will have a huge impact
on your sense of yourself.
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Yeah I think it's-
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I think, you know,
making this-
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kind of feels
like you're-
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looking in-
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into your own-
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but also into other
people's secrets.
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You know?
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And-
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you know-
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what is it to be
a Newfoundlander?
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Michael: I've spent
my entire adult life-
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basically trying
to get on paper-
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what it is that's
unique about this place.
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There's a particular
kind of person-
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that's created by
those circumstances-
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where you're living
very close to the edge.
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And in order
to get by-
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everybody has to rely
on everybody else.
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There's a particular kind of
humour that people developed-
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in order to-
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to not just survive,
but to live.
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You know?
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Did your adoptive parents-
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like how did they
find Newfoundland?
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Like how did they- ?
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Do you have any
idea about that?
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I like-
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the-
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my mother-
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my adoptive
mother is um-
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she's maybe not as
linear as I am with facts.
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Okay .
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So, you ever heard
of Frog Pond Road?
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I haven't.
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No.
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So- and nobody has.
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So, Frog Pond Road
was where your-
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mother thinks
she picked me up.
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Wow.
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When I was 26-
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I went with this
friend of mine-
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Hannah.
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I'd met her
in film school.
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She said to
me, you know-
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you really need
to go back-
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to where you
come from.
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I got a camera
from school-
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this big video camera.
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And we hitch-
hiked around-
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around Newfoundland.
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I kept trying to pick up my
camera and film with people.
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But I couldn't.
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I wasn't ready.
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Michael: I mean,
Newfoundland's famous-
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for like just sort of trading
children around right?
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Like-
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there's too many
kids in the family.
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And they just sort
of like farm them out-
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but don't tell.
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No-
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they never knew that-
they had been farmed out.
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They just sort of grew
up in another house-
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with their parents,
they thought.
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I mean, my mother tells a story
about an aunt and uncle of hers-
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who wanted
to take me.
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Like they just-
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they didn't have
children of their own.
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And they
made a pitch.
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They said-
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Why don't we
take this one?
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I mean, I think that's
another thing here.
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It wouldn't have
been unusual-
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for the parents of the
mother to take a child.
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Right?
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And sometimes the mother
is just thought of as a-
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a much older sister.
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Jean Ann: Early seventies,
when I got into adoption first-
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there were at
any given time-
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there were hundreds of
young children available for-
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being relinquished for
adoption on a daily basis-
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from the two hospitals.
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We had so many children under
one minister of social services-
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he came up with the idea
of advertising babies-
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through the local papers.
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And if people applied-
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to adopt in the fall-
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they were guaranteed to have
a baby by Christmas day.
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Adrian: I'm trying in some way,
I think, in this, empathize-
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like, with my
birth mother.
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Yeah, I'm just-
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I'm trying to piece it
together you know?
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I'm trying to understand
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what brought those choices.
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We had a large Roman
Catholic population.
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So if you were
Roman Catholic-
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you weren't practicing
birth control.
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What would it have
been like for her-
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when she went
in to St. Clare's?
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As an unmarried mother?
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We were still
working with-
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an Illegitimacy Act.
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And a child, even in the Act,
born of unmarried parents-
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was in black
and white-
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a bastard.
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My name was
Wayne Cousins.
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So that's
Baby Boy Cousins.
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Cousins.
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Your adoptive mother- ?
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Yeah-
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was given this?
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was given this-
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was given my name-
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my name at birth.
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Do you know of anything
on Frog Pond Road?
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In Montreal?
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No, in St. John's.
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- Oh here?
- Yeah.
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Frog Pond Road?
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Never heard of it!
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And would it
be normal-
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that my parents
would fly in-
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to St. John's
for 24 hours-
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to pick
up a child-
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and adopt them
at three months-
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and then leave?
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Sounds a bit fishy.
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Like I already didn't
have any information-
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about my birth parents.
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And now I have less
information about the story-
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that I actually thought-
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was the one I've been
holding on to my whole life.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Adrian: So-
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so you have-
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you have-
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you have the name
of my birth father?
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Elaine: I have an
approximate age for him.
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Oh wow.
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So you have the name
of my birth father.
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But you can't
release it to me?
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- Is that-?
- You're cutting out.
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Oh sorry, can
you hear me now?
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Is this better?
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It's a little
bit scratchy.
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But okay, yeah.
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So you have the name
of my birth father.
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But you don't have
a way of finding him-
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because you
found a guy-
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No.
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who's dead.
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No no,
what I have-
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Okay, six-foot tall,
dark hair and what?
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Um- and from Newfoundland.
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And from Newfoundland.
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We don't know
how many people-
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And would the
Newfoundland government-
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ever give me
that name-
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do you think?
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No.
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They won't.
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You can look it up in
the article of the law.
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It's in that letter
that I sent you.
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You know,
at this point-
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we don't have any choice
but to close the file here.
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Linda Swain: Eastern Health
is implementing measures-
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in preparation for a
possible COVID-19 outbreak-
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in the province.
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VOCM's Linda Swain reports.
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Eastern Health says-
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an emergency operations
centre has been established
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and a COVID-19 Assessment
Clinic is being set up-
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at the Waterford Hospital-
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which is expected to be up
and running by next week.
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I'm nervous to
call my mom.
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Press record on Zoom.
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Nina: Give us a break.
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Yeah!
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We're not
as up on-
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Yeah no.
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See, he has record
down on the bottom.
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- Yeah okay, yeah.
- So-
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Mom- you hear
everything mom?
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Nina: What?
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I can hear, yeah.
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Adrian: You can
hear me, eh?
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- Yeah.
- Great.
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Nina: So tell me
what's the good news.
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When I came
here in March-
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remember I told you I
was going to go on radio?
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Nina: No.
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I did.
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We talked about this.
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I went to-
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I went on radio.
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I did a
radio show.
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It's kind of like
a mystery, right?
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You're trying to find
out who you are, and-
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Mom?
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Yeah.
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I'm listening.
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So I've been trying
to find out who I am.
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Yeah, fair enough.
302
00:15:23,574 --> 00:15:24,532
And what happened?
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I got contacted.
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Nina: Really?
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00:15:32,453 --> 00:15:33,323
Adrian: Yeah.
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Nina: Wonderful.
307
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By your maternal mother?
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My maternal mother
passed away.
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00:15:42,202 --> 00:15:45,945
In one week, I'm going
to go meet my aunt.
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And she's going to-
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uh-
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give me pictures
of my mother.
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Nina: Oh that's nice.
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And uh-
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Nina: It's lovely.
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I'm very happy
to hear that.
317
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Yeah.
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Why are you
crying, Mom?
319
00:16:09,229 --> 00:16:10,447
Nina: It's
nice for you.
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I'm sad for
you in a way.
321
00:16:12,928 --> 00:16:16,236
I'm happy that you
found somebody.
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That's really very important
for you to do that.
323
00:16:18,803 --> 00:16:19,848
I'm happy for you.
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We went to the office
on Frog Pond Road.
325
00:16:26,028 --> 00:16:28,465
I mean you were dressed
up in that little blue hat-
326
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which I saved for you
but you never wanted it.
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Adrian: Was it
a foster home?
328
00:16:31,642 --> 00:16:32,513
Nina: No, no, no.
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It was an office-
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welfare office.
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Not a foster home.
332
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You were never in
a foster home, ever.
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Adrian: I think I was.
334
00:16:39,302 --> 00:16:40,521
Nina: No you weren't.
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Adrian: I'm going to
talk to Kristin too, eh?
336
00:16:51,140 --> 00:16:53,099
I want to talk to her
about her adoption.
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00:16:53,229 --> 00:16:58,669
Nina: She actually had been
moved around quite a lot.
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00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,889
She didn't trust anybody.
339
00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:04,588
Took her six months
for her to settle down.
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How do you feel?
341
00:17:13,858 --> 00:17:16,252
Adrian: I'm um-
342
00:17:16,383 --> 00:17:18,341
scared.
343
00:17:18,472 --> 00:17:19,255
Nina: Yeah.
344
00:17:26,262 --> 00:17:27,263
Adrian: So does that-
345
00:17:27,394 --> 00:17:29,352
that means that this
is going to last all day.
346
00:17:29,483 --> 00:17:31,920
We can record
all conversations-
347
00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:35,445
with my aunt and
with her daughter.
348
00:17:35,576 --> 00:17:37,969
Oh, they're going to be
here in 25 minutes, so-
349
00:17:43,627 --> 00:17:44,672
We have 20 minutes.
350
00:17:44,802 --> 00:17:46,108
19 minutes.
351
00:17:52,158 --> 00:17:53,289
Josh: So can
I get a just-
352
00:17:53,420 --> 00:17:54,377
check check from
both you guys?
353
00:17:54,508 --> 00:17:55,161
Mara: Yeah, check
check check!
354
00:17:56,336 --> 00:17:57,250
Adrian: Hi!
355
00:17:57,380 --> 00:17:59,034
Really, really nice
to meet you!
356
00:18:00,818 --> 00:18:02,603
So nice to
meet you!
357
00:18:02,733 --> 00:18:03,473
Mara: I'm Mara.
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00:18:03,604 --> 00:18:04,257
Adrian: Hi Mara.
359
00:18:04,387 --> 00:18:05,388
Really nice
to meet you.
360
00:18:05,519 --> 00:18:06,694
Mara: Nice to
meet you too!
361
00:18:06,824 --> 00:18:08,609
Adrian: Wow!
362
00:18:08,739 --> 00:18:10,741
I can't believe you
guys showed up!
363
00:18:10,872 --> 00:18:11,612
You know?
364
00:18:12,613 --> 00:18:13,527
Ellen: This is-
365
00:18:13,657 --> 00:18:14,963
Adrian: No but-
366
00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:16,138
Ellen: We were going to
leave you in the lurch?
367
00:18:16,269 --> 00:18:17,313
Adrian: Yeah!
368
00:18:17,444 --> 00:18:19,446
I was terrified you
weren't going to show up.
369
00:18:29,195 --> 00:18:31,632
Ellen: And this
is for Adrian.
370
00:18:33,242 --> 00:18:34,330
Adrian: So this is-
371
00:18:34,461 --> 00:18:36,027
so this is
Mary Margaret?
372
00:18:36,158 --> 00:18:37,246
Ellen: It is, yeah.
373
00:18:37,377 --> 00:18:38,682
Adrian: This is
Mary Margaret?
374
00:18:38,813 --> 00:18:40,075
Ellen: Yeah.
375
00:18:40,206 --> 00:18:42,904
Adrian: This- wow!
376
00:18:43,034 --> 00:18:43,774
She- she-
377
00:18:43,905 --> 00:18:45,254
she looks so
much like me-
378
00:18:45,385 --> 00:18:48,170
when I
was like 12!
379
00:18:52,566 --> 00:18:53,567
So this is in
Greenspond?
380
00:18:53,697 --> 00:18:54,698
Ellen: Yeah.
381
00:18:54,829 --> 00:18:55,569
Mara: She was happy
in Greenspond.
382
00:18:55,699 --> 00:18:56,700
Adrian: She was happy?
383
00:18:56,831 --> 00:18:58,441
Ellen: She was.
384
00:18:58,572 --> 00:18:59,616
Yeah.
385
00:18:59,747 --> 00:19:00,661
Adrian: So- so-
386
00:19:00,791 --> 00:19:01,531
so tell me-
387
00:19:01,662 --> 00:19:05,013
I mean, tell me-
388
00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:06,362
who she was, and-
389
00:19:06,493 --> 00:19:08,495
Ellen: She was-
390
00:19:08,625 --> 00:19:10,018
uh, quiet-
391
00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:16,067
and gentle and
kind, you know?
392
00:19:16,198 --> 00:19:17,591
Creative, and-
393
00:19:19,288 --> 00:19:19,941
Adrian: Was she creative?
394
00:19:20,071 --> 00:19:21,377
Ellen: Yeah!
395
00:19:28,254 --> 00:19:29,255
And then that's
Mary Margaret-
396
00:19:29,385 --> 00:19:31,822
her first communion.
397
00:19:31,953 --> 00:19:34,042
She was seven there.
398
00:19:37,959 --> 00:19:39,221
And there's my father.
399
00:19:39,352 --> 00:19:40,570
Just look at the
height, you know?
400
00:19:40,701 --> 00:19:42,093
He was about 6'7!
401
00:19:43,834 --> 00:19:44,879
Adrian: Your
father was 6'7?
402
00:19:45,009 --> 00:19:45,749
Ellen: Yeah!
403
00:19:49,144 --> 00:19:53,931
Lawrence was the one who came
from Ireland, from Kilkenny.
404
00:19:54,062 --> 00:19:54,758
Adrian: Okay, so we-
405
00:19:54,889 --> 00:19:56,238
so we came
from Kilkenny?
406
00:19:56,369 --> 00:19:57,065
Ellen: Yeah.
407
00:20:00,024 --> 00:20:02,462
That's our origin.
408
00:20:02,592 --> 00:20:04,246
We're definitely Irish.
409
00:20:09,077 --> 00:20:11,079
That's the family home.
410
00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:12,211
Adrian: Wow.
411
00:20:12,341 --> 00:20:15,170
Ellen: My grandfather
built that home.
412
00:20:15,301 --> 00:20:17,912
And we were all
born in that house.
413
00:20:20,262 --> 00:20:21,437
Adrian: Wow.
414
00:20:21,568 --> 00:20:22,569
Ellen: Yeah.
415
00:20:22,699 --> 00:20:25,180
And that's Mary
Margaret and Gerald.
416
00:20:25,311 --> 00:20:26,312
And that's me.
417
00:20:26,442 --> 00:20:29,184
I'm eight years old.
418
00:20:29,315 --> 00:20:32,927
And this is Mary
Margaret and Gerald.
419
00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:38,585
And there she is.
420
00:20:38,715 --> 00:20:39,803
I think that one was
taken in Greenspond.
421
00:20:42,850 --> 00:20:43,851
Yeah.
422
00:20:49,030 --> 00:20:50,597
Adrian: So when she had
me, she was how old?
423
00:20:50,727 --> 00:20:54,340
Ellen: She was 18
when she got pregnant.
424
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:55,863
Adrian: She was working
in laundry works?
425
00:20:55,993 --> 00:20:57,081
Ellen: Yes.
426
00:20:57,212 --> 00:20:59,083
And after she
became pregnant-
427
00:20:59,214 --> 00:21:01,869
she moved back home.
428
00:21:01,999 --> 00:21:03,131
Adrian: And your
mom knew?
429
00:21:03,262 --> 00:21:04,959
Ellen: Yeah.
430
00:21:05,089 --> 00:21:06,656
Adrian: And then she just went
into the hospital and that was-
431
00:21:06,787 --> 00:21:08,267
Ellen: Yeah.
432
00:21:11,139 --> 00:21:12,662
And I went
in to see her.
433
00:21:12,793 --> 00:21:14,273
And she was-
434
00:21:14,403 --> 00:21:16,144
lying on her side.
435
00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,581
And um- you know-
436
00:21:18,712 --> 00:21:22,281
she was just
looking at the wall.
437
00:21:22,411 --> 00:21:24,761
And I left there-
438
00:21:24,892 --> 00:21:26,676
and went to
the nursery.
439
00:21:26,807 --> 00:21:31,202
And I asked to
see baby Cousins.
440
00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:33,422
And the nurse came.
441
00:21:33,553 --> 00:21:34,684
And she said,
I'm sorry.
442
00:21:34,815 --> 00:21:36,425
You can't see
that baby.
443
00:21:36,556 --> 00:21:39,646
But she was so
harsh, you know?
444
00:21:47,784 --> 00:21:50,961
Norm: I was a pallbearer
at the funeral.
445
00:21:54,182 --> 00:21:54,965
Ah.
446
00:21:56,967 --> 00:21:57,968
That's your mom.
447
00:21:58,099 --> 00:22:01,363
That's how I
remember her.
448
00:22:04,453 --> 00:22:05,672
I don't think she
changed much-
449
00:22:05,802 --> 00:22:08,544
as she got older.
450
00:22:10,764 --> 00:22:12,374
When did you
meet Mary?
451
00:22:13,593 --> 00:22:18,380
I guess when she
came here with Ernie.
452
00:22:18,511 --> 00:22:22,645
Ernie was the lighthouse
keeper on Puffin Island.
453
00:22:22,776 --> 00:22:23,777
And there were
times when-
454
00:22:23,907 --> 00:22:24,647
when Mary would-
455
00:22:24,778 --> 00:22:25,866
would go out-
456
00:22:26,910 --> 00:22:28,390
go out with him.
457
00:22:28,521 --> 00:22:29,783
And uh-
458
00:22:30,305 --> 00:22:32,438
the day of the
funeral was-
459
00:22:34,396 --> 00:22:36,355
it was snowing.
460
00:22:36,485 --> 00:22:38,618
Not a good day.
461
00:22:39,009 --> 00:22:39,836
We were up-
462
00:22:39,967 --> 00:22:41,229
to the Salvation
Army cemetery-
463
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,450
which is up
there on the hill.
464
00:22:44,580 --> 00:22:47,583
Why was she buried in the
Salvation Army cemetery?
465
00:22:47,714 --> 00:22:49,498
I believe she
was a soldier.
466
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:56,766
It's the quasi-
military religion-
467
00:22:56,897 --> 00:22:57,767
an army of God.
468
00:23:15,916 --> 00:23:17,134
When Mary was
talking to you-
469
00:23:17,265 --> 00:23:21,791
she'd sort of look
right into your eyes.
470
00:23:21,922 --> 00:23:23,924
Several times
now, you went-
471
00:23:25,186 --> 00:23:26,666
That's what
she used to do.
472
00:23:26,796 --> 00:23:27,971
Oh yeah?
473
00:23:42,899 --> 00:23:44,510
What do you know
about how she passed?
474
00:23:45,511 --> 00:23:46,468
I don't know-
475
00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:47,382
if some of
Ernie's family-
476
00:23:47,513 --> 00:23:49,079
I didn't know.
477
00:23:49,210 --> 00:23:52,779
All I knew, she
had passed away.
478
00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:55,825
But what happened
to her, I don't know.
479
00:23:58,306 --> 00:23:59,438
Do you know
where she was?
480
00:24:00,482 --> 00:24:02,049
Somewhere on the mainland.
481
00:24:03,485 --> 00:24:05,705
That's all we knew.
482
00:24:26,334 --> 00:24:27,727
Ellen: She went away-
483
00:24:27,857 --> 00:24:29,685
I think it
was in '95-
484
00:24:32,688 --> 00:24:33,384
Adrian: to- to- to-
485
00:24:33,515 --> 00:24:34,821
Ellen: to Sault
Ste. Marie.
486
00:24:34,951 --> 00:24:37,388
And I have no idea
why she went there-
487
00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:39,260
or who she
went with-
488
00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:41,784
because she,
to my knowledge-
489
00:24:41,915 --> 00:24:43,699
she never left
the island.
490
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:47,050
And here she up and goes
to Sault Ste. Marie.
491
00:24:47,181 --> 00:24:48,965
Who goes to
Sault Ste. Marie?
492
00:24:55,276 --> 00:24:58,279
Adrian: How did
she pass away?
493
00:24:58,409 --> 00:25:00,324
Ellen:
She died by choice.
494
00:25:01,717 --> 00:25:02,718
Adrian: Oh wow.
495
00:25:04,198 --> 00:25:05,416
Ellen: She-
496
00:25:05,547 --> 00:25:08,768
I don't know what medication
she was taking, you know?
497
00:25:08,898 --> 00:25:10,334
But she
took it all-
498
00:25:10,465 --> 00:25:12,685
and died
in her sleep.
499
00:25:12,815 --> 00:25:13,860
You know?
500
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:16,340
Adrian: Ohhh wow.
501
00:25:18,255 --> 00:25:21,302
Ellen: I'm so sorry to have
to tell you that Adrian.
502
00:25:21,432 --> 00:25:23,522
Adrian: Ohhh.
503
00:25:45,631 --> 00:25:46,675
I didn't expect that.
504
00:25:46,806 --> 00:25:48,982
I didn't think
she was going to-
505
00:25:49,112 --> 00:25:49,983
I didn't think that.
506
00:25:54,596 --> 00:25:56,990
Like I've been walking.
507
00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:01,298
And the last couple
of weeks, I was in-
508
00:26:04,345 --> 00:26:06,652
like massive depressions-
509
00:26:06,782 --> 00:26:08,741
I mean, to the point
where I couldn't function-
510
00:26:08,871 --> 00:26:10,612
without bursting into
tears all the time-
511
00:26:10,743 --> 00:26:12,788
which is just-
512
00:26:15,791 --> 00:26:19,273
not easy, because
you can't function.
513
00:26:19,403 --> 00:26:21,884
You can't go
through your life-
514
00:26:22,015 --> 00:26:26,585
because you just
can't control it.
515
00:26:36,203 --> 00:26:37,421
I want to know
her life though.
516
00:26:38,945 --> 00:26:41,600
Van: And then, what
are you hoping to get?
517
00:26:42,862 --> 00:26:43,776
I did, like, know-
518
00:26:43,906 --> 00:26:45,255
because I thought
I'd be going to see-
519
00:26:45,386 --> 00:26:46,256
and I will,
you know-
520
00:26:46,387 --> 00:26:47,649
I thought I'd be
going to see people-
521
00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:49,042
and talking to them
about their story-
522
00:26:49,172 --> 00:26:50,260
understanding Newfoundland-
523
00:26:50,391 --> 00:26:52,393
like-
524
00:26:52,523 --> 00:26:53,699
you know-
525
00:26:53,829 --> 00:26:57,485
trying to understand
kind of like-
526
00:26:57,616 --> 00:26:59,269
what my origin
story was-
527
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,662
who these people were-
528
00:27:00,793 --> 00:27:01,489
what they lived-
529
00:27:03,491 --> 00:27:04,448
what I might
have lived-
530
00:27:04,579 --> 00:27:05,841
had I been there,
you know?
531
00:27:05,972 --> 00:27:07,364
But that's-
532
00:27:07,495 --> 00:27:09,192
it's turning into
something else, right?
533
00:27:10,324 --> 00:27:11,194
I think there's
something-
534
00:27:11,325 --> 00:27:16,286
always really, really,
really necessary-
535
00:27:16,417 --> 00:27:19,507
about finding
out the truth-
536
00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:21,770
no matter what
the truth is.
537
00:27:21,901 --> 00:27:22,945
Van: Oh yeah?
538
00:27:24,164 --> 00:27:25,034
Adrian: You
don't think so?
539
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:27,820
Van: No.
540
00:27:50,451 --> 00:27:52,279
Do you think you should
always look for the truth?
541
00:27:57,980 --> 00:27:59,460
Boy, I don't know.
542
00:28:00,156 --> 00:28:01,680
Yes, I do.
543
00:28:01,810 --> 00:28:03,638
But uh-
544
00:28:05,422 --> 00:28:06,685
I think it-
545
00:28:06,815 --> 00:28:09,992
I think the truth can fuck
you up as well, you know?
546
00:28:10,123 --> 00:28:13,256
Like- you know,
when people say-
547
00:28:13,387 --> 00:28:15,302
You know, you're better
off not knowing that.
548
00:28:15,432 --> 00:28:17,913
That's entirely possible.
549
00:28:19,001 --> 00:28:19,959
Right?
550
00:28:20,089 --> 00:28:21,134
It's entirely possible-
551
00:28:21,264 --> 00:28:22,570
that knowing something
you didn't know-
552
00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:26,400
uh, is not going
to be helpful at all-
553
00:28:26,530 --> 00:28:28,707
and in fact, may be
more painful than not.
554
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,014
But I also-
555
00:28:32,145 --> 00:28:35,583
I don't think there's any sense
to living in a dream world-
556
00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:37,019
that if you're not
interested in the truth-
557
00:28:37,150 --> 00:28:38,891
then you're not interested
in living, really.
558
00:28:39,021 --> 00:28:42,982
You're interested in
having a little bubble-
559
00:28:43,112 --> 00:28:44,200
where everything's okay.
560
00:28:49,858 --> 00:28:50,641
Wanda: Hi Adrian.
561
00:28:50,772 --> 00:28:52,165
I got this message-
562
00:28:52,295 --> 00:28:53,862
from this fantastic woman.
563
00:28:53,993 --> 00:28:55,342
And I'll read you
what she wrote.
564
00:28:55,472 --> 00:28:56,386
I read your Facebook post-
565
00:28:56,517 --> 00:28:58,911
and recognized the
name Mary Cousins.
566
00:28:59,041 --> 00:29:00,739
My mom-
567
00:29:00,869 --> 00:29:02,915
was a loving foster
parent for many years.
568
00:29:03,045 --> 00:29:04,394
And I believe that
Adrian may have been-
569
00:29:04,525 --> 00:29:06,179
part of our family-
570
00:29:06,309 --> 00:29:08,572
for the first four months of
his life, until he was adopted.
571
00:29:21,237 --> 00:29:22,804
Lorraine: I said,
Oh I know that baby.
572
00:29:22,935 --> 00:29:23,892
So then I
look up-
573
00:29:24,023 --> 00:29:25,241
yes, I've got
his bracelet.
574
00:29:26,286 --> 00:29:27,156
Adrian: Wow.
575
00:29:27,678 --> 00:29:29,071
You knew my
name just like-
576
00:29:29,202 --> 00:29:29,985
Yes.
577
00:29:30,116 --> 00:29:31,247
Like you remembered
my name?
578
00:29:31,378 --> 00:29:32,335
Oh yes!
579
00:29:33,162 --> 00:29:34,685
I don't forget.
580
00:29:40,648 --> 00:29:41,431
We'll see if
we can find-
581
00:29:41,562 --> 00:29:42,432
Ohh.
582
00:29:42,563 --> 00:29:43,433
'71.
583
00:29:44,217 --> 00:29:45,000
Wayne Cousins.
584
00:29:45,131 --> 00:29:45,827
That's me.
585
00:29:45,958 --> 00:29:46,785
That's you.
586
00:29:47,524 --> 00:29:49,875
1973.
587
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,702
And you went
on May the 4th.
588
00:29:54,444 --> 00:29:55,663
How crazy is that?
589
00:29:56,707 --> 00:29:57,317
That's pretty
crazy isn't it?
590
00:29:59,145 --> 00:30:00,624
Four months.
591
00:30:00,755 --> 00:30:01,669
The whole thing's crazy.
592
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,845
All dressed up in
your little outfit.
593
00:30:03,976 --> 00:30:05,847
Your mom probably
got pictures of that.
594
00:30:05,978 --> 00:30:06,717
Yeah, she does.
595
00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:08,632
Seventeen years.
596
00:30:08,763 --> 00:30:11,897
This is Mom in
'67, with two.
597
00:30:12,027 --> 00:30:12,767
That's your mom?
598
00:30:12,898 --> 00:30:14,638
That's not a
good picture.
599
00:30:15,378 --> 00:30:18,904
She was a wonderful,
wonderful person.
600
00:30:19,034 --> 00:30:21,167
She was very caring.
601
00:30:22,429 --> 00:30:23,734
And you were how old
when this started?
602
00:30:23,865 --> 00:30:25,649
I was like
maybe 12-
603
00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:28,304
when we had
the babies first.
604
00:30:28,435 --> 00:30:31,264
And then all through
my teen years.
605
00:30:31,394 --> 00:30:32,439
That's John, I think.
606
00:30:32,569 --> 00:30:33,353
He was so sweet.
607
00:30:33,483 --> 00:30:34,223
I could cuddle
him now.
608
00:30:34,354 --> 00:30:35,050
Look at that.
609
00:30:35,181 --> 00:30:36,095
That was so sweet.
610
00:30:38,271 --> 00:30:38,967
And did you-
611
00:30:39,098 --> 00:30:40,142
you knew-
612
00:30:40,273 --> 00:30:41,927
did you know
my birth mother?
613
00:30:42,057 --> 00:30:43,667
Did you know Mary
Margaret Cousins?
614
00:30:43,798 --> 00:30:45,452
And did you know
Ellen Cousins?
615
00:30:45,582 --> 00:30:46,366
Did you know
the Cousins?
616
00:30:46,496 --> 00:30:48,237
I knew of
the Cousins.
617
00:30:48,368 --> 00:30:49,064
I knew the-
618
00:30:49,195 --> 00:30:50,283
I knew the family-
619
00:30:50,413 --> 00:30:52,024
you know?
620
00:30:52,154 --> 00:30:54,113
So I kind of wonder-
621
00:30:54,243 --> 00:30:56,593
whether my mother
would have known-
622
00:30:56,724 --> 00:31:00,162
like my birth mother would have
known that I was in this house.
623
00:31:00,293 --> 00:31:01,163
No.
624
00:31:01,294 --> 00:31:02,077
No.
625
00:31:02,208 --> 00:31:02,904
No.
626
00:31:03,035 --> 00:31:03,774
Very unlikely.
627
00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:06,690
Uh-
628
00:31:06,821 --> 00:31:08,518
very confidential.
629
00:31:08,649 --> 00:31:12,566
And then what would happen when
they came to pick up the baby?
630
00:31:12,696 --> 00:31:16,962
It was quite an
emotional time for us.
631
00:31:17,092 --> 00:31:18,615
And of course, Mom-
632
00:31:18,746 --> 00:31:22,793
hoping and praying that you
were going to get a good home.
633
00:31:22,924 --> 00:31:24,230
That was always, always-
634
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,972
so important, you
know, to her-
635
00:31:27,102 --> 00:31:29,017
and to
all of us.
636
00:31:29,148 --> 00:31:32,064
It's super hard
to imagine-
637
00:31:32,194 --> 00:31:35,197
that you kind of brought
me up for four months.
638
00:31:35,328 --> 00:31:36,329
I know!
639
00:31:36,459 --> 00:31:37,112
You heard my heartbeat-
640
00:31:37,243 --> 00:31:38,897
lots of times.
641
00:31:39,027 --> 00:31:40,724
That's what Mom would-
642
00:31:40,855 --> 00:31:41,638
we've got to
take them-
643
00:31:41,769 --> 00:31:42,683
you know, hold them.
644
00:31:42,813 --> 00:31:43,640
That's all they-
645
00:31:43,771 --> 00:31:44,903
that's all babies need.
646
00:31:45,033 --> 00:31:45,860
That's all they want.
647
00:31:45,991 --> 00:31:46,905
They want
to be fed.
648
00:31:47,035 --> 00:31:49,168
They want to
be kept clean.
649
00:31:49,298 --> 00:31:50,212
They want
to be loved.
650
00:31:50,343 --> 00:31:52,127
They want to
hear a heartbeat.
651
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,498
Nina: I was not told you
were in a foster home at all.
652
00:32:15,629 --> 00:32:17,500
No I met
the woman.
653
00:32:17,631 --> 00:32:18,632
She has the records.
654
00:32:18,762 --> 00:32:19,459
And look, Mom.
655
00:32:19,589 --> 00:32:21,635
She has my
baby bracelet.
656
00:32:21,765 --> 00:32:22,636
- Look.
- Yeah?
657
00:32:22,766 --> 00:32:24,333
My baby bracelet.
658
00:32:24,464 --> 00:32:26,553
Can you see?
659
00:32:26,683 --> 00:32:28,207
Oh my God.
660
00:32:28,337 --> 00:32:29,338
That's just so lovely.
661
00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:36,084
I think she had over
200 or 300 babies, from 19-
662
00:32:36,215 --> 00:32:37,477
like late 1960s-
663
00:32:37,607 --> 00:32:39,870
until early 1980s-
664
00:32:40,001 --> 00:32:41,568
they kept foster children.
665
00:32:41,698 --> 00:32:43,004
Unbelievable.
666
00:32:43,135 --> 00:32:44,745
I was told that you
were in a hospital-
667
00:32:44,875 --> 00:32:45,789
because you
had a hernia.
668
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:46,703
And then-
669
00:32:46,834 --> 00:32:48,749
you went
straight to me.
670
00:32:48,879 --> 00:32:50,664
Yeah, they didn't
tell you the truth.
671
00:32:50,794 --> 00:32:52,666
I don't know why.
672
00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:54,624
Why are you doing
this for anyway?
673
00:32:54,755 --> 00:32:55,669
Why?
674
00:32:57,627 --> 00:33:02,719
I wanted to spend time
finding things out.
675
00:33:02,850 --> 00:33:03,633
Yeah, that's normal.
676
00:33:03,764 --> 00:33:05,505
And now-
677
00:33:05,635 --> 00:33:07,463
when I've found out
that she passed away-
678
00:33:07,594 --> 00:33:09,161
or that she
killed herself-
679
00:33:09,291 --> 00:33:10,727
I-
680
00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:13,339
now I want
to honour her.
681
00:33:13,469 --> 00:33:14,296
Of course.
682
00:33:14,427 --> 00:33:15,994
And you should
honour her.
683
00:33:16,124 --> 00:33:16,951
I mean, she was
your maternal-
684
00:33:17,082 --> 00:33:17,865
your mom.
685
00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:18,822
Yeah.
686
00:33:18,953 --> 00:33:20,041
But she-
687
00:33:20,172 --> 00:33:21,303
but you're much
stronger than she was.
688
00:33:21,434 --> 00:33:22,565
And uh-
689
00:33:22,696 --> 00:33:23,871
whatever happened
to her life-
690
00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:26,091
you don't know what
she went through.
691
00:33:44,239 --> 00:33:47,242
Ellen: We were raised
devout Catholics, yeah.
692
00:33:47,373 --> 00:33:48,852
Adrian: Right.
693
00:33:48,983 --> 00:33:52,856
They really believed in being
educated by the nuns and-
694
00:33:52,987 --> 00:33:53,901
yeah-
695
00:33:56,121 --> 00:34:00,777
And you know, my sister Joan,
and then I went to the sisters.
696
00:34:00,908 --> 00:34:02,083
And then Dad
got sick.
697
00:34:02,214 --> 00:34:04,955
And the resources
weren't there.
698
00:34:05,086 --> 00:34:07,132
I feel that
she felt-
699
00:34:07,262 --> 00:34:10,222
that she didn't have
the same opportunity.
700
00:34:11,179 --> 00:34:12,224
You know?
701
00:34:13,225 --> 00:34:14,922
But I do believe-
702
00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:21,537
she was sincere in wanting her
child to have a chance at life-
703
00:34:22,277 --> 00:34:25,063
because maybe-
I don't know.
704
00:34:25,193 --> 00:34:28,109
Maybe she felt she didn't
have a chance, you know-
705
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:31,591
the way things
unfolded in the family.
706
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:47,737
Walter: You were
thrown into a place-
707
00:34:47,868 --> 00:34:52,002
that most kids were
not thrown into.
708
00:34:52,133 --> 00:34:53,395
Adrian: What
was I like-
709
00:34:53,526 --> 00:34:54,353
as a kid?
710
00:34:54,483 --> 00:34:55,441
Do you remember me?
711
00:34:56,224 --> 00:34:56,920
Uh-
712
00:34:57,051 --> 00:34:59,749
you were-
713
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:00,837
curious.
714
00:35:00,968 --> 00:35:02,535
Very, very curious.
715
00:35:02,665 --> 00:35:04,580
Very, uh-
716
00:35:04,711 --> 00:35:08,410
not reticent to explore.
717
00:35:09,455 --> 00:35:11,544
I met you-
718
00:35:11,674 --> 00:35:17,463
when your adopted mother
and father did just that.
719
00:35:17,593 --> 00:35:22,598
They adopted you and
were living in Montreal.
720
00:35:22,729 --> 00:35:25,471
I was the best man
to their wedding.
721
00:35:25,601 --> 00:35:29,083
So I knew what they
were going through-
722
00:35:29,214 --> 00:35:29,997
after marriage.
723
00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:31,607
They wanted kids.
724
00:35:31,738 --> 00:35:32,956
They couldn't
have kids.
725
00:35:33,087 --> 00:35:35,089
Hence, the adoption.
726
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:38,875
Keith tried to
work in Montreal.
727
00:35:39,006 --> 00:35:42,096
I think he tried to be
an industrial designer.
728
00:35:42,227 --> 00:35:44,490
And he had an
office in the house.
729
00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:45,795
And he was there
all the time.
730
00:35:45,926 --> 00:35:48,058
I sensed-
731
00:35:48,189 --> 00:35:50,539
while still in college-
732
00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:52,411
that he was gay.
733
00:35:52,541 --> 00:35:54,108
And yet he
was married.
734
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,240
Mm-hmm.
735
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:56,545
By this time-
736
00:35:56,676 --> 00:36:02,421
Nina was very, very interested
in the work she did-
737
00:36:02,551 --> 00:36:05,511
and being successful,
designing clothes.
738
00:36:05,641 --> 00:36:10,124
And she became so
involved with that.
739
00:36:10,255 --> 00:36:12,605
She was at work
all the time.
740
00:36:13,954 --> 00:36:16,478
And for him,
that was fine.
741
00:36:16,609 --> 00:36:22,702
I would come up to Montreal
when I went to do lab work-
742
00:36:22,832 --> 00:36:23,616
film lab work.
743
00:36:23,746 --> 00:36:27,141
And they were
very gracious-
744
00:36:27,272 --> 00:36:29,099
to let me stay overnight
at their house-
745
00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:30,753
every once
in a while.
746
00:36:30,884 --> 00:36:34,235
Do you realize you
gave me my first camera?
747
00:36:34,366 --> 00:36:35,193
Did I really?
748
00:36:35,323 --> 00:36:36,629
Yeah.
749
00:36:36,759 --> 00:36:37,760
Do you remember that?
750
00:36:37,891 --> 00:36:39,197
It was kind of like
a point and shoot.
751
00:36:39,327 --> 00:36:40,067
- Right?
- Oh, okay.
752
00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:42,939
But it was kind
of a first time-
753
00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:47,683
that I started looking
sort of through a lens.
754
00:36:51,165 --> 00:36:53,515
Van: Where are
we going Adrian?
755
00:36:53,646 --> 00:36:59,565
We're going to see
Shawn Burry, who was the-
756
00:37:01,175 --> 00:37:02,524
I think-
757
00:37:02,655 --> 00:37:05,571
I think Mary Margaret took
him in in Greenspond.
758
00:37:05,701 --> 00:37:08,748
I'm hoping that he can tell me
more about Mary Margaret-
759
00:37:08,878 --> 00:37:10,837
and what
she was like-
760
00:37:10,967 --> 00:37:14,275
and I guess fundamentally,
what she was like as a mother-
761
00:37:14,406 --> 00:37:16,016
you know?
762
00:37:18,148 --> 00:37:19,367
Shawn: You
finally found it?
763
00:37:22,327 --> 00:37:24,111
You've got your
mother's frame!
764
00:37:24,590 --> 00:37:25,460
You look-
765
00:37:25,591 --> 00:37:26,374
you've got your
mother's shape.
766
00:37:26,505 --> 00:37:28,724
Your mother was
a smaller woman-
767
00:37:28,855 --> 00:37:30,900
tall but-
768
00:37:31,031 --> 00:37:31,771
Oh yeah?
769
00:37:31,901 --> 00:37:33,033
Yeah.
770
00:37:33,163 --> 00:37:35,078
And I can sort of
see you look like her-
771
00:37:35,209 --> 00:37:35,992
some.
772
00:37:37,167 --> 00:37:39,169
So this is okay
out here?
773
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:40,693
Or you rather have been
in the house or what?
774
00:37:40,823 --> 00:37:42,042
No this is great.
775
00:37:43,348 --> 00:37:45,219
What was my
mother like?
776
00:37:45,350 --> 00:37:46,481
What was Mary like?
777
00:37:47,743 --> 00:37:48,527
Um-
778
00:37:50,137 --> 00:37:53,227
I wouldn't say shy.
779
00:37:53,358 --> 00:37:57,187
But she more or less
kept to herself.
780
00:37:57,318 --> 00:37:59,451
My fondest memories-
781
00:37:59,581 --> 00:38:01,017
I guess the most that
I would remember-
782
00:38:01,148 --> 00:38:03,193
is just
listening to her.
783
00:38:03,324 --> 00:38:05,805
But there was a little-
maybe Kelligrews accent?
784
00:38:05,935 --> 00:38:07,328
I don't know.
785
00:38:07,459 --> 00:38:09,678
And so, Mary-
786
00:38:09,809 --> 00:38:12,246
how long did you live
with Mary and Ernie?
787
00:38:12,377 --> 00:38:13,203
About nine-
788
00:38:13,334 --> 00:38:13,987
nine or ten months.
789
00:38:15,336 --> 00:38:16,990
I was in
grade eight.
790
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:17,947
I had no money.
791
00:38:18,078 --> 00:38:19,688
I had nowhere
to live.
792
00:38:19,819 --> 00:38:20,776
Mary took me in.
793
00:38:20,907 --> 00:38:22,648
She did what she
could for me.
794
00:38:22,778 --> 00:38:23,518
I didn't go hungry.
795
00:38:23,649 --> 00:38:24,954
I didn't wear
dirty clothes.
796
00:38:25,085 --> 00:38:27,000
I thought it
was wonderful.
797
00:38:27,130 --> 00:38:27,870
Yeah, it's-
798
00:38:28,001 --> 00:38:29,568
like when I
heard about you-
799
00:38:29,698 --> 00:38:32,571
I couldn't help but think
it feels like she's trying-
800
00:38:32,701 --> 00:38:34,573
like she didn't
have her own kids.
801
00:38:34,703 --> 00:38:35,748
I couldn't
figure that out.
802
00:38:37,097 --> 00:38:39,317
She would be crazy to
have a child with Ernie.
803
00:38:39,447 --> 00:38:40,274
Huh.
804
00:38:40,405 --> 00:38:41,188
She would have been.
805
00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:43,103
Mmm.
806
00:38:43,233 --> 00:38:45,932
Because back when Ernie and
Mary got together, you know-
807
00:38:46,062 --> 00:38:48,021
Ernie was
a bit of a-
808
00:38:48,151 --> 00:38:50,502
a rough character.
809
00:38:50,632 --> 00:38:52,155
I know like when I
was growing up-
810
00:38:52,286 --> 00:38:53,722
I can remember
lots of times-
811
00:38:53,853 --> 00:38:55,333
someone would say-
812
00:38:55,463 --> 00:38:56,943
Oh, Ernie is coming
up the road.
813
00:38:57,073 --> 00:38:59,206
Turn off the lights-
814
00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:01,469
because you didn't
want him coming in-
815
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,385
because nine chances out of
ten, he was probably drinking.
816
00:39:09,434 --> 00:39:11,174
If I could run
into her tomorrow-
817
00:39:11,305 --> 00:39:12,132
I would certainly say-
818
00:39:12,262 --> 00:39:13,960
Mary-
819
00:39:14,090 --> 00:39:16,005
whatever in the name
of God possessed you-
820
00:39:16,136 --> 00:39:18,225
to come
on a ferry-
821
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:19,269
to an island-
822
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,489
where you
knew no one-
823
00:39:21,620 --> 00:39:24,144
and move in
with a drunk?
824
00:39:31,194 --> 00:39:34,023
She was like scared
all the time, or nervous-
825
00:39:34,154 --> 00:39:36,722
or watch
what she said-
826
00:39:36,852 --> 00:39:39,855
watch where she went-
827
00:39:39,986 --> 00:39:43,685
trying not
to upset Ernie.
828
00:39:43,816 --> 00:39:44,773
She didn't have
a lot of friends.
829
00:39:47,472 --> 00:39:49,822
Like if he came
home drinking-
830
00:39:49,952 --> 00:39:52,302
and drove her out
2:00 in the morning-
831
00:39:52,433 --> 00:39:53,260
where's she going?
832
00:39:58,657 --> 00:39:59,832
Roland: When
he was sober-
833
00:39:59,962 --> 00:40:03,270
he could well support
himself and his family.
834
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:04,967
How should
I put this?
835
00:40:05,098 --> 00:40:09,450
When Ernest was good,
and Mary, they were good.
836
00:40:09,581 --> 00:40:12,932
When they were bad-
837
00:40:13,062 --> 00:40:14,847
they were drunk.
838
00:40:17,284 --> 00:40:18,285
I'm sorry I had
to say that.
839
00:40:18,416 --> 00:40:19,329
But-
840
00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:21,810
Was Mary drunk
as well?
841
00:40:22,724 --> 00:40:23,638
Yes.
842
00:40:23,769 --> 00:40:24,422
Sometimes.
843
00:40:24,552 --> 00:40:25,771
But not-
844
00:40:25,901 --> 00:40:29,078
not to the extent that
Ernest used to be drunk.
845
00:40:29,209 --> 00:40:31,298
They'd do anything
for anyone.
846
00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:35,607
Anything they could do to
help anyone, they would do.
847
00:40:39,001 --> 00:40:40,742
Norm: When
Ernie was sober-
848
00:40:40,873 --> 00:40:43,310
he was a different
man altogether.
849
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:44,659
And he tried-
850
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:45,747
a number of times-
851
00:40:45,878 --> 00:40:46,792
to quit.
852
00:40:46,922 --> 00:40:48,271
Cavell: You see
a man that's-
853
00:40:48,402 --> 00:40:49,925
pretty much
drunk every day.
854
00:40:50,056 --> 00:40:51,057
Mmm.
855
00:40:51,187 --> 00:40:52,058
Cavell: Mary came along.
856
00:40:52,188 --> 00:40:53,755
And for whatever reason-
857
00:40:53,886 --> 00:40:56,323
it seemed to
make a difference.
858
00:40:56,454 --> 00:40:57,237
Settled him down.
859
00:40:57,367 --> 00:40:58,194
And they joined
the church.
860
00:40:58,325 --> 00:41:00,153
And from there,
you know-
861
00:41:10,206 --> 00:41:12,339
That's where they lived.
862
00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:15,037
The house was-
863
00:41:15,168 --> 00:41:17,562
I can visualize the house now
just exactly the way it was.
864
00:41:17,692 --> 00:41:21,130
Yeah you remember
the photos I showed you?
865
00:41:33,273 --> 00:41:35,362
And you say that
Ernie would like-
866
00:41:35,493 --> 00:41:37,407
go out to the
lighthouse?
867
00:41:37,538 --> 00:41:42,151
And on good days, when
water wasn't too rough-
868
00:41:42,282 --> 00:41:44,980
he would come in
and pick Mary up-
869
00:41:45,111 --> 00:41:50,420
and take her out
for a few days.
870
00:42:38,251 --> 00:42:40,862
I wonder if Mary was proud
that she was with Ernie-
871
00:42:40,993 --> 00:42:42,472
because he was a
lighthouse keeper?
872
00:42:42,603 --> 00:42:45,171
Oh there's no doubt-
873
00:42:45,301 --> 00:42:46,694
working with the government.
874
00:42:46,825 --> 00:42:49,915
And then I guess it
was a little bit higher-
875
00:42:50,045 --> 00:42:53,266
higher up on
the status ladder-
876
00:42:53,396 --> 00:42:54,180
It was, hey?
877
00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:54,876
type of thing, yeah.
878
00:42:55,007 --> 00:42:56,051
Sure.
879
00:42:57,879 --> 00:43:00,926
In the spring, you'd get
the drift ice coming up-
880
00:43:01,056 --> 00:43:02,275
the northern floes.
881
00:43:02,405 --> 00:43:04,451
Everything would
be blocked in.
882
00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:07,715
So how would they get back
to Greenspond in the winter?
883
00:43:07,846 --> 00:43:11,719
Uh, they'd just
have to stay here-
884
00:43:11,850 --> 00:43:14,504
have enough supplies.
885
00:43:14,635 --> 00:43:15,375
Yeah I was amazed-
886
00:43:15,505 --> 00:43:17,464
when I first
heard that she-
887
00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:18,508
was with the
lighthouse keeper-
888
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:19,814
I thought it was-
889
00:43:19,945 --> 00:43:20,946
- it was, you know-
- Yeah.
890
00:43:21,076 --> 00:43:23,078
I knew nothing about
lighthouse keepers right?
891
00:43:23,209 --> 00:43:24,297
It felt like a story
or something.
892
00:43:25,385 --> 00:43:27,082
You can't say
that anymore.
893
00:43:29,302 --> 00:43:30,172
No.
894
00:43:56,111 --> 00:43:57,678
Adrian: So my Aunt-
895
00:43:57,809 --> 00:44:01,726
Ellen wrote out the
Cousins family narrative.
896
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,771
This says-
897
00:44:03,902 --> 00:44:08,471
Josephine Veronica Dwyer
was born June 27th, 1913-
898
00:44:08,602 --> 00:44:11,126
to Johannah Bryan
and Edward Dwyer-
899
00:44:11,257 --> 00:44:13,520
of Bell Island, Newfoundland.
900
00:44:13,651 --> 00:44:16,479
She first laid eyes
on Jack Cousins-
901
00:44:16,610 --> 00:44:20,614
all 6'7" of him,
in the church.
902
00:44:20,745 --> 00:44:21,659
It's crazy, man.
903
00:44:21,789 --> 00:44:23,965
Like she wrote
this like a story.
904
00:44:24,096 --> 00:44:24,966
Van: She wrote
this for you?
905
00:44:25,097 --> 00:44:26,664
She wrote
this for me.
906
00:44:30,189 --> 00:44:31,016
Family members-
907
00:44:31,146 --> 00:44:32,974
staying up were
having a mug up-
908
00:44:33,105 --> 00:44:35,237
when there was a loud
knock on the front door.
909
00:44:35,368 --> 00:44:36,456
My father
opened the door.
910
00:44:36,586 --> 00:44:37,892
But no one
was there.
911
00:44:38,023 --> 00:44:40,112
He came back to
the kitchen and said-
912
00:44:40,242 --> 00:44:41,243
Adrian and Michael:
That's strange.
913
00:44:41,374 --> 00:44:43,811
Michael: No sign in
the new fallen snow-
914
00:44:43,942 --> 00:44:46,945
of anyone there
on the step.
915
00:44:47,075 --> 00:44:49,295
Shortly after, there
was a third knock.
916
00:44:49,425 --> 00:44:50,383
Mom shouted from upstairs-
917
00:44:50,513 --> 00:44:51,297
No Jack.
918
00:44:51,427 --> 00:44:52,385
Don't go out.
919
00:44:52,515 --> 00:44:54,517
That's a token.
920
00:44:54,648 --> 00:44:56,432
Pop was
close to dying.
921
00:44:56,563 --> 00:44:59,131
And my grandmother,
deceased five years earlier-
922
00:44:59,261 --> 00:45:01,611
was giving a sign
with the three knocks.
923
00:45:03,091 --> 00:45:05,311
My grandfather died
later that day, before noon.
924
00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:07,530
That's-
925
00:45:07,661 --> 00:45:09,445
That's a fantastic story.
926
00:45:09,576 --> 00:45:11,491
And there are all kinds
of stories in Newfoundland-
927
00:45:11,621 --> 00:45:14,668
about tokens or
signs or the fetch-
928
00:45:14,799 --> 00:45:15,582
which is the-
929
00:45:15,713 --> 00:45:16,670
like the-
930
00:45:16,801 --> 00:45:18,454
a vision of somebody-
931
00:45:18,585 --> 00:45:19,629
who's come to-
932
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,848
They don't say anything.
933
00:45:20,979 --> 00:45:22,067
But the vision
basically means-
934
00:45:22,197 --> 00:45:24,025
that they're dead.
935
00:45:24,156 --> 00:45:25,244
And especially
around the war-
936
00:45:26,549 --> 00:45:28,334
there are all kinds
of fetches showing up.
937
00:45:31,032 --> 00:45:35,080
I mean I think that
history here, right-
938
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:37,735
like history is not
the story of great men-
939
00:45:37,865 --> 00:45:39,824
who sort of came and
tamed the wilderness and-
940
00:45:39,954 --> 00:45:43,915
History is about where
your grandfather fished-
941
00:45:44,045 --> 00:45:45,003
and the garden that
your grandmother kept-
942
00:45:46,744 --> 00:45:49,485
and you know, where
your people belong.
943
00:46:03,064 --> 00:46:04,674
Adrian: And she just
kind of severed contact-
944
00:46:04,805 --> 00:46:06,111
after the pregnancy?
945
00:46:06,241 --> 00:46:07,503
Is that kind of
what happened?
946
00:46:07,634 --> 00:46:11,246
Ellen: Yeah, she just went
and lived her own life.
947
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,251
Adrian: What's her birthday?
948
00:46:16,382 --> 00:46:17,775
Ellen: November 28th.
949
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:22,388
So she was 43.
950
00:46:28,568 --> 00:46:32,267
Adrian: Ernest was like
32 years older than her.
951
00:46:32,398 --> 00:46:34,226
And it says,
Ever remembered.
952
00:46:34,356 --> 00:46:36,837
Ever loved.
953
00:46:36,968 --> 00:46:40,406
Erected by wife Mary
and friend Maggie.
954
00:46:44,584 --> 00:46:45,846
And it says,
Mary Margaret-
955
00:46:45,977 --> 00:46:47,456
or Mary M.
956
00:46:47,587 --> 00:46:48,936
1951.
957
00:46:50,982 --> 00:46:54,159
And then it doesn't
actually have her-
958
00:46:54,289 --> 00:46:55,247
her death date.
959
00:46:56,901 --> 00:46:59,381
They don't even
etch in that she died.
960
00:47:09,478 --> 00:47:11,350
You come out to
this lookout a lot?
961
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:12,917
No, not much.
962
00:47:15,006 --> 00:47:17,747
I went up to
the cemetery.
963
00:47:17,878 --> 00:47:21,577
Then I went to Mary
and Ernest's grave.
964
00:47:21,708 --> 00:47:24,972
And it has
Mary's date, right?
965
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,062
But it doesn't
have the death date.
966
00:47:28,193 --> 00:47:28,976
No.
967
00:47:29,324 --> 00:47:30,325
Why?
968
00:47:31,587 --> 00:47:33,938
Maybe the headstone
was never paid for.
969
00:47:34,068 --> 00:47:36,810
I guess she just didn't
have the money to do it.
970
00:47:40,509 --> 00:47:41,859
Do you think Mary
had a good life?
971
00:47:43,904 --> 00:47:44,687
No.
972
00:47:44,818 --> 00:47:45,340
I don't think so.
973
00:47:57,744 --> 00:48:00,007
Adrian: Who was Maggie?
974
00:48:00,138 --> 00:48:00,747
Shawn: Maggie
was a girl-
975
00:48:00,878 --> 00:48:03,315
that stayed there.
976
00:48:03,445 --> 00:48:05,143
It was Maggie Burton.
977
00:48:05,273 --> 00:48:06,361
She was younger
than me.
978
00:48:06,492 --> 00:48:09,277
But it was one of my
friends going to school.
979
00:48:09,408 --> 00:48:11,758
She came in with
Ern and Mary-
980
00:48:11,889 --> 00:48:15,980
right at the time
I was leaving.
981
00:48:16,110 --> 00:48:17,155
Cavell: Well Maggie-
982
00:48:18,243 --> 00:48:18,808
poor thing-
983
00:48:18,939 --> 00:48:20,027
- was a-
- had a hard life.
984
00:48:20,158 --> 00:48:21,376
had a hard life.
985
00:48:21,507 --> 00:48:23,552
She wasn't brought up in
a good home environment.
986
00:48:23,683 --> 00:48:26,512
Like there was abuse?
987
00:48:26,642 --> 00:48:28,514
Yeah, the family
were not good to her.
988
00:48:28,644 --> 00:48:29,384
Adrian: Okay.
989
00:48:29,515 --> 00:48:31,473
And then Mary
took her in?
990
00:48:32,170 --> 00:48:32,866
Cavell: Yeah.
991
00:48:32,997 --> 00:48:33,780
Norm: Yeah.
992
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:40,656
Shawn: When Ernie
became Salvation Army-
993
00:48:42,310 --> 00:48:44,182
and stayed Salvation Army-
994
00:48:44,312 --> 00:48:45,487
they had a car.
995
00:48:45,618 --> 00:48:47,881
And they'd be driving
back and forth to The Army.
996
00:48:48,012 --> 00:48:50,536
And Mary in the
passenger seat-
997
00:48:50,666 --> 00:48:51,972
Maggie in the
back seat.
998
00:48:52,103 --> 00:48:54,627
But I'd say the
last 10 years-
999
00:48:54,757 --> 00:48:57,891
that it was probably
wonderful for her.
1000
00:49:21,045 --> 00:49:23,482
Major Kean: I remember
Mary and her husband-
1001
00:49:23,612 --> 00:49:24,657
very well.
1002
00:49:24,787 --> 00:49:25,484
Very well.
1003
00:49:25,614 --> 00:49:26,615
Very nice lady.
1004
00:49:26,746 --> 00:49:27,529
Friendly.
1005
00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:28,922
Very friendly lady.
1006
00:49:29,053 --> 00:49:31,490
She used to
pray right soft.
1007
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:32,708
And it was nice.
1008
00:49:32,839 --> 00:49:33,927
What was she?
1009
00:49:34,058 --> 00:49:34,884
An officer?
1010
00:49:35,015 --> 00:49:36,060
No no no,
she wasn't.
1011
00:49:36,190 --> 00:49:37,322
She was a soldier.
1012
00:49:37,452 --> 00:49:38,410
Yeah.
1013
00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:39,411
And looked good
in her uniform-
1014
00:49:39,541 --> 00:49:40,890
boy, I'll tell you-
1015
00:49:41,021 --> 00:49:42,762
dressed up
to the T.
1016
00:49:42,892 --> 00:49:45,808
And when you become
a soldier, you-
1017
00:49:45,939 --> 00:49:49,290
you look into the rules and
regulations of being a soldier-
1018
00:49:49,421 --> 00:49:50,248
you know-
1019
00:49:50,378 --> 00:49:51,553
testifying for the Lord-
1020
00:49:51,684 --> 00:49:53,077
living for the Lord.
1021
00:49:53,207 --> 00:49:55,905
And I guess, Mary and Ernie
wanted somewhere to go-
1022
00:49:56,036 --> 00:49:56,863
that they
could feel love.
1023
00:49:56,994 --> 00:50:00,084
And people
cared for them.
1024
00:50:00,214 --> 00:50:01,520
So they came
to The Army.
1025
00:50:01,650 --> 00:50:04,349
And they became a very,
very important part of it.
1026
00:50:04,479 --> 00:50:06,873
And when they came, they
were embraced, you know?
1027
00:50:07,004 --> 00:50:07,743
They were loved!
1028
00:50:07,874 --> 00:50:09,267
They were cared for!
1029
00:50:09,397 --> 00:50:10,703
They were talked about-
1030
00:50:10,833 --> 00:50:12,444
because of their
goodness and their love.
1031
00:50:12,574 --> 00:50:13,227
And that's why they-
1032
00:50:13,358 --> 00:50:14,707
we shared so much.
1033
00:50:14,837 --> 00:50:16,274
And it was great
just to know them.
1034
00:50:16,404 --> 00:50:17,492
Great to know them.
1035
00:50:17,623 --> 00:50:19,973
But I didn't
know about you.
1036
00:50:20,104 --> 00:50:22,454
Like I never
met Mary right?
1037
00:50:22,584 --> 00:50:23,672
I know you didn't.
1038
00:50:24,369 --> 00:50:25,370
I never met her.
1039
00:50:26,153 --> 00:50:27,459
But you would've
loved to, would you?
1040
00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:30,114
She was a
sweet person.
1041
00:50:30,723 --> 00:50:32,507
Very sweet person.
1042
00:50:32,638 --> 00:50:34,727
Yeah, very sweet person.
1043
00:50:34,857 --> 00:50:35,989
Yeah, yeah.
1044
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,251
Yeah, I know.
1045
00:50:37,382 --> 00:50:38,035
I appreciate it.
1046
00:50:38,165 --> 00:50:38,731
Yeah.
1047
00:50:40,515 --> 00:50:41,603
Are you still
hurt about it?
1048
00:50:41,734 --> 00:50:42,735
What's that?
1049
00:50:42,865 --> 00:50:44,128
Are you still hurt
within your own heart-
1050
00:50:44,258 --> 00:50:46,086
because of the adoption?
1051
00:50:51,178 --> 00:50:53,137
Or is that
too big?
1052
00:50:53,267 --> 00:50:55,791
You'd like to have
been different?
1053
00:50:57,967 --> 00:51:00,274
I'd like to have met
her, you know?
1054
00:51:00,405 --> 00:51:01,319
I know you
would, yeah.
1055
00:51:01,667 --> 00:51:02,711
I'd like to have
met her and-
1056
00:51:04,713 --> 00:51:07,673
It would have been
all different then.
1057
00:51:07,803 --> 00:51:09,544
I'd like to have
hugged her, you know?
1058
00:51:09,675 --> 00:51:10,415
Yeah.
1059
00:51:11,111 --> 00:51:11,938
Yeah.
1060
00:51:14,158 --> 00:51:15,811
Lord, we come
into your presence-
1061
00:51:15,942 --> 00:51:17,552
in the name
of Jesus.
1062
00:51:17,683 --> 00:51:19,859
Especially for Adrian, Lord.
1063
00:51:19,989 --> 00:51:22,731
So many things that
he's getting into-
1064
00:51:22,862 --> 00:51:24,603
and wants answers to.
1065
00:51:24,733 --> 00:51:27,214
Lord, I pray in
a very special way-
1066
00:51:27,345 --> 00:51:29,347
he'll learn
to trust you-
1067
00:51:29,477 --> 00:51:30,739
leave it at
your feet.
1068
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:32,741
And when the time is
right, you will answer him.
1069
00:51:32,872 --> 00:51:35,222
Thank you for
your mercy.
1070
00:51:40,706 --> 00:51:43,361
Adrian: That year,
her husband died.
1071
00:51:43,491 --> 00:51:47,669
Her mother Josephine
died at Easter time.
1072
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,673
Another blow was the loss
of her dear friend Maggie.
1073
00:51:51,804 --> 00:51:57,462
Ellen: When Mary was in
St. John's at Mom's wake-
1074
00:51:57,592 --> 00:52:01,857
Maggie had a
seizure and died.
1075
00:52:01,988 --> 00:52:02,989
So that-
1076
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,426
so she felt that
if she had been there-
1077
00:52:05,557 --> 00:52:07,385
she would have
known what to do.
1078
00:52:07,515 --> 00:52:09,343
And Maggie wouldn't
have died, you know?
1079
00:52:09,474 --> 00:52:14,348
So she kind of took
all that to herself.
1080
00:52:16,872 --> 00:52:19,397
So that was '92,
all that happened.
1081
00:52:19,527 --> 00:52:20,572
And then, I
don't know.
1082
00:52:20,702 --> 00:52:24,706
That was the last
time I saw her, really.
1083
00:52:32,758 --> 00:52:35,804
Adrian: And you know what it's
like to go looking for somebody.
1084
00:52:35,935 --> 00:52:38,938
Cavell: Yes, I do.
1085
00:52:39,068 --> 00:52:42,768
I was 43 when I got
to know my father.
1086
00:52:45,249 --> 00:52:47,642
Like I would get
this feeling-
1087
00:52:47,773 --> 00:52:50,210
Well, I've got
to find him-
1088
00:52:50,341 --> 00:52:53,126
because nobody
would tell me anything.
1089
00:52:53,257 --> 00:52:54,475
If I asked
a question-
1090
00:52:54,606 --> 00:52:56,477
What do you want
to know that for?
1091
00:52:56,608 --> 00:52:57,957
You don't need
to know it.
1092
00:52:58,087 --> 00:53:00,525
And it took me
a long time.
1093
00:53:00,655 --> 00:53:02,483
What was it like the
first time you saw him?
1094
00:53:02,614 --> 00:53:03,310
Cavell: Oh.
1095
00:53:05,399 --> 00:53:06,400
What a feeling.
1096
00:53:08,315 --> 00:53:09,316
We just sat back
and we talked.
1097
00:53:10,491 --> 00:53:12,798
And he would come
along and smooth-
1098
00:53:12,928 --> 00:53:14,843
smooth down my hair.
1099
00:53:14,974 --> 00:53:16,584
I'm some glad
you found me.
1100
00:53:17,890 --> 00:53:18,978
I'm so glad
you found me.
1101
00:53:20,458 --> 00:53:21,763
I don't know.
1102
00:53:21,894 --> 00:53:23,330
It's hard to
explain it, Adrian.
1103
00:53:23,461 --> 00:53:24,244
It is.
1104
00:53:25,419 --> 00:53:26,115
Adrian: Yeah, it's
turning out to be-
1105
00:53:26,246 --> 00:53:27,204
uh-
1106
00:53:27,334 --> 00:53:29,206
Norm: Not what you
were hoping for.
1107
00:53:29,336 --> 00:53:32,252
I mean, for sure, I was hoping
for what you got, you know?
1108
00:53:32,383 --> 00:53:33,862
Cavell: Sure you were.
Norm: Yeah, yeah.
1109
00:53:33,993 --> 00:53:38,345
I wonder Adrian,
did she ever try to-
1110
00:53:38,476 --> 00:53:39,738
Adrian: -have children?
1111
00:53:39,868 --> 00:53:40,652
Cavell: No, try to-
1112
00:53:40,782 --> 00:53:42,393
Norm and Cavell: -find you?
1113
00:53:42,523 --> 00:53:43,916
I wonder did
she ever?
1114
00:53:44,046 --> 00:53:46,527
Adrian: You think she might
have, like your father?
1115
00:53:46,658 --> 00:53:48,007
Cavell: He knew
about me.
1116
00:53:48,137 --> 00:53:48,834
Adrian: And he
was looking.
1117
00:53:48,964 --> 00:53:50,314
Cavell: Yeah.
1118
00:53:50,444 --> 00:53:51,576
So, you know?
1119
00:53:51,706 --> 00:53:52,533
She might have.
1120
00:54:00,411 --> 00:54:03,675
Norm: Well you spoke about,
you know, finding the truth.
1121
00:54:03,805 --> 00:54:05,938
Adrian: Yeah.
1122
00:54:06,068 --> 00:54:10,290
Norm: She didn't go to Sault
Ste. Marie from Greenspond.
1123
00:54:10,421 --> 00:54:12,988
She lived, uh-
1124
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:16,949
with a guy
in Dover.
1125
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:20,996
Cavell: Yes, this fellow was
something, I think, like Ernie.
1126
00:54:21,127 --> 00:54:23,434
He liked his drink.
1127
00:54:23,564 --> 00:54:25,131
You know-
1128
00:54:25,262 --> 00:54:26,654
it seemed like when she got
in with this fellow George-
1129
00:54:26,785 --> 00:54:28,177
Norm: George.
1130
00:54:28,308 --> 00:54:32,878
Cavell: she sort of went back
to where she was before.
1131
00:54:33,008 --> 00:54:34,053
Norm: Which was what?
1132
00:54:34,183 --> 00:54:35,794
Cavell: Well-
1133
00:54:35,924 --> 00:54:39,406
drinking and-
1134
00:54:39,537 --> 00:54:41,843
Norm: Uh, she
left George-
1135
00:54:41,974 --> 00:54:44,324
and gets involved with
his great uncle, Frank.
1136
00:54:44,455 --> 00:54:45,804
Adrian: Okay, wow.
1137
00:54:45,934 --> 00:54:47,196
Cavell: And then,
we don't know.
1138
00:54:47,327 --> 00:54:48,067
Norm: And you know-
1139
00:54:48,197 --> 00:54:49,547
I'm wondering if
she met someone-
1140
00:54:49,677 --> 00:54:51,288
who took her to
Sault Ste. Marie.
1141
00:54:51,418 --> 00:54:54,595
A lot of Newfoundlanders are
going to the mainland working.
1142
00:54:54,726 --> 00:54:57,903
And he might
have been one.
1143
00:54:58,033 --> 00:54:59,948
I can't see Mary just
buying a ticket-
1144
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:01,907
and going to
Sault Ste. Marie.
1145
00:55:02,037 --> 00:55:03,343
Why would
she do that?
1146
00:55:22,493 --> 00:55:24,408
Adrian: The more you
start investigating-
1147
00:55:24,538 --> 00:55:25,800
the more you just want
to know the answers.
1148
00:55:25,931 --> 00:55:27,846
Michael Rigby: Yeah, well it's
like pulling a thread, right?
1149
00:55:27,976 --> 00:55:29,151
You know, once
you start to pull it-
1150
00:55:29,282 --> 00:55:30,196
it just unravels-
1151
00:55:30,327 --> 00:55:31,415
and keeps going
and going-
1152
00:55:31,545 --> 00:55:33,330
and hopefully until
you get to the end.
1153
00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:34,243
But sometimes you don't.
1154
00:55:34,374 --> 00:55:35,897
Yeah.
1155
00:55:36,028 --> 00:55:37,246
But uh- yeah.
1156
00:55:37,377 --> 00:55:40,859
So you were saying you're
a retired police officer?
1157
00:55:40,989 --> 00:55:41,860
What- what- ?
1158
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:43,165
Yeah, I was a
staff sergeant-
1159
00:55:43,296 --> 00:55:45,254
of the Ontario
Provincial Police.
1160
00:55:45,385 --> 00:55:46,125
You referred to her-
1161
00:55:46,255 --> 00:55:48,170
as just committing suicide.
1162
00:55:48,301 --> 00:55:50,608
How do you
know that?
1163
00:55:50,738 --> 00:55:52,871
My aunt Ellen
told me.
1164
00:55:53,001 --> 00:55:53,698
You know, she-
1165
00:55:53,828 --> 00:55:54,699
the first time
I met her.
1166
00:55:54,829 --> 00:55:55,656
Okay.
1167
00:55:55,787 --> 00:55:57,963
Well she saw
the nails.
1168
00:55:58,093 --> 00:56:00,139
And the nails were
blackened, you know?
1169
00:56:00,269 --> 00:56:02,010
Right.
1170
00:56:02,141 --> 00:56:03,969
That doesn't necessarily mean
that it was a drug overdose or-
1171
00:56:04,099 --> 00:56:05,666
and if it was-
1172
00:56:05,797 --> 00:56:07,886
the question remains whether
it was intentional or not.
1173
00:56:08,016 --> 00:56:09,191
Well I would-
1174
00:56:09,322 --> 00:56:10,715
your best starting point
is with the police.
1175
00:56:10,845 --> 00:56:14,109
Obviously Sault Ste. Marie has
their own police force up there.
1176
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,460
You know, there would be a
report on file, obviously.
1177
00:56:16,590 --> 00:56:17,417
Um-
1178
00:56:17,548 --> 00:56:19,637
Someone
has called in.
1179
00:56:19,767 --> 00:56:21,029
Someone has found her.
1180
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,423
And either in
medical distress-
1181
00:56:23,554 --> 00:56:25,294
or deceased.
1182
00:56:25,425 --> 00:56:28,210
And uh, the police
become involved.
1183
00:56:28,341 --> 00:56:31,736
And the coroner
becomes involved.
1184
00:56:31,866 --> 00:56:33,607
And it becomes
a coroner's case.
1185
00:56:33,738 --> 00:56:36,001
And they make a determination
of the cause of death.
1186
00:57:06,510 --> 00:57:10,731
On the 19th of January, 1997,
at approximately 22 hours-
1187
00:57:10,862 --> 00:57:13,778
the deceased, Mary Wheeler,
was found laying in her bed-
1188
00:57:13,908 --> 00:57:16,345
by the landlord of the
building, Frank Kment.
1189
00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:23,004
There's a synopsis of the facts
provided by the boyfriend-
1190
00:57:23,135 --> 00:57:25,790
that he attended upstairs
and knocked on the door-
1191
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,619
and eventually entered, and
no one answered the door.
1192
00:57:28,749 --> 00:57:32,579
He continued to yell
out Mary's name.
1193
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:33,711
He then observed
Mary Wheeler-
1194
00:57:33,841 --> 00:57:35,495
laying in bed, motionless.
1195
00:57:35,626 --> 00:57:36,888
Then he left-
1196
00:57:37,018 --> 00:57:37,845
went back home-
1197
00:57:38,542 --> 00:57:40,848
and eventually called police.
1198
00:57:42,284 --> 00:57:44,199
It won't give me the
name of the boyfriend.
1199
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:51,468
He observed the deceased
laying in the bedroom-
1200
00:57:51,598 --> 00:57:54,471
located to the east of the
hallway in the residence.
1201
00:57:54,601 --> 00:57:58,431
She was laying on
a foldout couch bed-
1202
00:57:58,562 --> 00:57:59,693
was wearing pyjamas,
not covered.
1203
00:58:02,217 --> 00:58:03,436
There was nothing of value
found in the apartment-
1204
00:58:03,567 --> 00:58:06,091
except a stereo-
1205
00:58:06,221 --> 00:58:08,659
and the watch that
she was wearing-
1206
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:11,052
which was turned over by
Arthur's Funeral Home.
1207
00:58:11,183 --> 00:58:12,967
However toxicology and
blood alcohol testing-
1208
00:58:13,098 --> 00:58:14,752
still had
to be done.
1209
00:58:14,882 --> 00:58:16,144
He observed a black leather
purse beside the bed-
1210
00:58:16,275 --> 00:58:17,711
with a pill bottle
lid on top.
1211
00:58:17,842 --> 00:58:20,671
She made several attempts to
leave messages and contact-
1212
00:58:20,801 --> 00:58:21,628
blanked out the name-
1213
00:58:21,759 --> 00:58:23,630
by telephone, with
negative results.
1214
00:58:23,761 --> 00:58:25,589
Approximately six
calls were made.
1215
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:27,112
There was a note on
the floor, beside the bed.
1216
00:58:29,114 --> 00:58:30,376
There was a
suicide note.
1217
00:58:33,161 --> 00:58:35,381
The suicide note
was seized by police-
1218
00:58:35,512 --> 00:58:39,907
and tagged as
Exhibit E38388.
1219
00:58:42,257 --> 00:58:46,392
This is a statement that's
been completely blanked out.
1220
00:58:46,523 --> 00:58:48,437
And that's it.
1221
00:58:49,874 --> 00:58:52,006
I wonder why they
didn't include the note.
1222
00:58:56,576 --> 00:58:57,621
But then I'm like-
1223
00:59:00,537 --> 00:59:01,842
who did she write the
note to, you know?
1224
00:59:37,312 --> 00:59:39,837
Adrian: I've been trying
to have conversations-
1225
00:59:39,967 --> 00:59:40,620
with the police department.
1226
00:59:40,751 --> 00:59:41,447
And I have.
1227
00:59:41,578 --> 00:59:43,144
But you know-
1228
00:59:43,275 --> 00:59:46,539
everybody who was in the police
department is now retired.
1229
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:50,108
And basically, all they could
say to me was after five years-
1230
00:59:50,238 --> 00:59:52,458
because the note
wasn't claimed-
1231
00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:55,983
you know, it
got destroyed.
1232
00:59:56,114 --> 00:59:57,158
You know, you
would think-
1233
00:59:57,289 --> 00:59:59,117
or I would think that if
you wrote a suicide note-
1234
00:59:59,247 --> 01:00:02,207
it would just be like kind of
stamped for the rest of history.
1235
01:00:03,512 --> 01:00:04,601
But I guess nothing
is, you know?
1236
01:00:04,731 --> 01:00:05,514
So-
1237
01:00:09,693 --> 01:00:12,260
So I don't get to
read what she said.
1238
01:00:12,391 --> 01:00:13,218
And-
1239
01:00:15,394 --> 01:00:16,830
you know-
1240
01:00:16,961 --> 01:00:18,484
that's not how I'm going
to get to know her, I guess.
1241
01:00:24,490 --> 01:00:26,274
I don't know if she came here
hoping for something-
1242
01:00:26,405 --> 01:00:27,667
or if she
came here-
1243
01:00:27,798 --> 01:00:32,629
knowing it was
going to take her.
1244
01:00:35,501 --> 01:00:36,981
She wasn't here long.
1245
01:01:04,182 --> 01:01:05,139
My name's Adrian.
1246
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:06,532
You're on our property.
1247
01:01:06,663 --> 01:01:07,489
So can you please explain
why you're trespassing?
1248
01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:08,882
- Man: You're in my yard dude.
- Sorry dude.
1249
01:01:09,013 --> 01:01:10,492
Man: Yeah.
1250
01:01:10,623 --> 01:01:11,668
Yeah I was looking because
my mother used to live here.
1251
01:01:11,798 --> 01:01:13,234
- Woman: Okay.
- And that's it.
1252
01:01:13,365 --> 01:01:15,367
I just wanted to come by
and see where she last lived.
1253
01:01:15,497 --> 01:01:16,803
Man: Okay.
1254
01:01:16,934 --> 01:01:18,196
That was it.
Man: Okay.
1255
01:01:18,326 --> 01:01:19,110
That's all- that's
why I'm here.
1256
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:20,067
Man: Okay.
1257
01:01:20,198 --> 01:01:21,068
You could knock
on the door.
1258
01:01:21,199 --> 01:01:21,895
Sorry about that.
1259
01:01:22,026 --> 01:01:22,679
It's just-
1260
01:01:22,809 --> 01:01:23,767
I-
1261
01:01:23,897 --> 01:01:24,550
Woman: Okay.
1262
01:01:24,681 --> 01:01:25,682
Thanks.
1263
01:01:44,178 --> 01:01:45,527
Adrian: I get it.
1264
01:01:45,658 --> 01:01:46,833
I get when you
go through pain-
1265
01:01:46,964 --> 01:01:48,574
that sometimes
it hurts so much-
1266
01:01:48,705 --> 01:01:51,403
that you just don't
want to continue.
1267
01:01:51,533 --> 01:01:53,144
I understand that.
1268
01:01:57,061 --> 01:02:00,891
Like I understand what
it's like when you're-
1269
01:02:01,021 --> 01:02:02,414
when you feel
like you've been-
1270
01:02:02,544 --> 01:02:03,720
or when you
feel like-
1271
01:02:03,850 --> 01:02:06,897
you don't have anything
really to cling to-
1272
01:02:07,027 --> 01:02:09,508
and you just feel
really alone-
1273
01:02:09,638 --> 01:02:13,468
and lost.
1274
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:14,513
And you just
kind of-
1275
01:02:14,643 --> 01:02:17,821
you know, fall in
whatever path you can-
1276
01:02:17,951 --> 01:02:21,041
hoping that that's going to
help you get through it.
1277
01:02:23,174 --> 01:02:24,088
But I mean-
1278
01:02:24,218 --> 01:02:25,393
I'm not Mary
Margaret, you know?
1279
01:02:25,524 --> 01:02:26,612
I'm not-
1280
01:02:26,743 --> 01:02:28,701
obviously I made
different choices.
1281
01:02:28,832 --> 01:02:30,529
Or she made
different choices.
1282
01:02:56,729 --> 01:02:59,384
Sometimes it feels a bit like
a Greek tragedy or something-
1283
01:03:00,994 --> 01:03:02,343
that you go
looking for-
1284
01:03:04,868 --> 01:03:06,608
you go looking for
light and happiness.
1285
01:03:06,739 --> 01:03:08,959
And what you
find is, you know-
1286
01:03:09,089 --> 01:03:10,917
the similar tones
and colours of things-
1287
01:03:11,048 --> 01:03:12,223
that you've already
experienced.
1288
01:03:18,882 --> 01:03:21,188
I'm going to meet
my Aunt Johannah.
1289
01:03:22,755 --> 01:03:25,062
She's Mary Margaret's
second oldest sister.
1290
01:03:26,759 --> 01:03:28,979
She reached out
to me via email.
1291
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:31,372
And she's invited
me to meet with her.
1292
01:03:31,503 --> 01:03:34,375
She left Newfoundland
in the mid-70s.
1293
01:03:34,506 --> 01:03:36,638
And she's now living
in Sedona, Arizona.
1294
01:03:51,044 --> 01:03:52,654
Adrian: I can't believe-
1295
01:03:52,785 --> 01:03:53,830
Johannah: What?
1296
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,048
This.
1297
01:03:55,179 --> 01:03:56,093
I mean, I can't
believe that I'm here.
1298
01:03:56,223 --> 01:03:56,876
I can't believe-
1299
01:03:57,007 --> 01:03:58,095
I know!
1300
01:03:58,225 --> 01:03:59,705
You're with family!
1301
01:03:59,836 --> 01:04:01,446
I know,
which is crazy.
1302
01:04:02,447 --> 01:04:03,491
Look.
1303
01:04:03,622 --> 01:04:04,405
This is what
Ellen gave me.
1304
01:04:04,536 --> 01:04:05,363
Have you seen this?
1305
01:04:05,493 --> 01:04:07,060
No.
1306
01:04:07,191 --> 01:04:07,887
Oh I'm not sure.
1307
01:04:08,018 --> 01:04:08,714
I don't know.
1308
01:04:08,845 --> 01:04:09,715
I haven't-
1309
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:13,197
So she gave
me this.
1310
01:04:13,327 --> 01:04:15,286
There she is, yeah.
1311
01:04:15,416 --> 01:04:16,722
Oh wow.
1312
01:04:19,116 --> 01:04:20,030
She looks so
much like me-
1313
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:20,813
when I was younger.
1314
01:04:20,944 --> 01:04:21,640
Mm-hmm.
1315
01:04:21,770 --> 01:04:22,510
It's crazy.
1316
01:04:22,641 --> 01:04:23,729
Well, it's your mom.
1317
01:04:26,471 --> 01:04:27,776
You know?
1318
01:04:27,907 --> 01:04:28,952
It's your mom.
1319
01:04:29,082 --> 01:04:29,822
I know.
1320
01:04:33,217 --> 01:04:35,306
Oh my gosh.
1321
01:04:36,089 --> 01:04:37,351
Mary Margaret, yeah.
1322
01:04:37,482 --> 01:04:40,354
Ellen and Betty
and Mom and me.
1323
01:04:50,625 --> 01:04:51,365
Yeah, it's beautiful.
1324
01:04:51,496 --> 01:04:53,585
Yeah.
1325
01:04:53,715 --> 01:04:54,847
Oh look at those
beautiful dogs.
1326
01:04:54,978 --> 01:04:55,630
Yeah, they're beautiful.
1327
01:04:55,761 --> 01:04:57,154
Hi! Yeah!
1328
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,157
And so, uh-
1329
01:05:03,334 --> 01:05:04,465
But like nobody
in the family-
1330
01:05:04,596 --> 01:05:06,119
told you that she was pregnant
when she was pregnant?
1331
01:05:06,250 --> 01:05:06,990
No!
1332
01:05:07,642 --> 01:05:08,382
Nobody?
1333
01:05:08,513 --> 01:05:10,732
No idea!
1334
01:05:10,863 --> 01:05:12,517
No idea whatsoever.
1335
01:05:12,647 --> 01:05:13,605
Isn't that something?
1336
01:05:13,735 --> 01:05:14,954
But you see-
1337
01:05:15,085 --> 01:05:19,393
remember, I knew nothing
about Dad being sick.
1338
01:05:19,828 --> 01:05:20,655
Yeah, wow.
1339
01:05:20,786 --> 01:05:22,875
So, you know,
they just didn't-
1340
01:05:23,006 --> 01:05:25,530
Like, was there a lot of
secrets kept in the family?
1341
01:05:25,660 --> 01:05:26,357
Apparently!
1342
01:05:27,358 --> 01:05:28,141
You were one!
1343
01:05:29,534 --> 01:05:30,665
You know?
1344
01:05:30,796 --> 01:05:31,449
Yeah.
1345
01:05:31,579 --> 01:05:32,537
Um-
1346
01:05:34,887 --> 01:05:35,714
Yeah.
1347
01:05:35,844 --> 01:05:37,368
So you watched
her grow up?
1348
01:05:37,498 --> 01:05:38,804
More or less,
you know.
1349
01:05:38,935 --> 01:05:40,545
But with five
years difference-
1350
01:05:40,675 --> 01:05:41,415
Right.
1351
01:05:41,546 --> 01:05:42,634
You know, there
was a whole-
1352
01:05:43,896 --> 01:05:44,636
So-
1353
01:05:44,766 --> 01:05:45,724
different world.
1354
01:05:47,030 --> 01:05:49,858
Here's- like what's
weird for me is like-
1355
01:05:49,989 --> 01:05:52,078
do you feel like she
separated from the family?
1356
01:05:53,471 --> 01:05:55,821
I think, um-
1357
01:05:58,345 --> 01:06:02,828
I think her life took a
whole different direction.
1358
01:06:02,959 --> 01:06:06,571
The one who could
tell you the stories-
1359
01:06:06,701 --> 01:06:09,008
who is no longer
with us of course-
1360
01:06:09,139 --> 01:06:11,315
is Gerald.
1361
01:06:11,445 --> 01:06:12,620
He was the
closest to her?
1362
01:06:12,751 --> 01:06:15,232
Well they were
closest in age.
1363
01:06:15,362 --> 01:06:18,278
It was two years,
you know?
1364
01:06:18,409 --> 01:06:19,801
Actually-
1365
01:06:19,932 --> 01:06:21,064
she sounded like me.
1366
01:06:21,803 --> 01:06:22,543
Um-
1367
01:06:22,674 --> 01:06:23,327
She did?
1368
01:06:23,457 --> 01:06:24,284
Yeah.
1369
01:06:24,589 --> 01:06:25,807
Yeah.
1370
01:06:25,938 --> 01:06:26,852
She did.
1371
01:06:26,983 --> 01:06:28,288
And uh-
1372
01:06:28,419 --> 01:06:29,855
um-
1373
01:06:29,986 --> 01:06:34,077
on the phone, people would,
you know, be confused-
1374
01:06:34,207 --> 01:06:36,993
thinking it was Margaret,
or thinking it was me.
1375
01:06:37,471 --> 01:06:39,082
So- yeah.
1376
01:06:39,212 --> 01:06:40,387
So she sounded
like me.
1377
01:06:45,392 --> 01:06:46,045
Yeah, it's beautiful.
1378
01:06:47,220 --> 01:06:49,266
I'm happy to
share this with you.
1379
01:06:49,396 --> 01:06:51,529
This is very special.
1380
01:06:51,659 --> 01:06:52,443
Yeah.
1381
01:06:53,183 --> 01:06:54,053
Yeah.
1382
01:07:03,671 --> 01:07:04,455
I found the-
1383
01:07:04,585 --> 01:07:05,499
like I was in a
foster home.
1384
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:06,413
Yeah?
1385
01:07:06,544 --> 01:07:07,675
Did you know that?
1386
01:07:07,806 --> 01:07:09,721
No I did not
know that.
1387
01:07:09,851 --> 01:07:12,463
You know, Mary Margaret
looked for you.
1388
01:07:12,593 --> 01:07:13,420
What?
1389
01:07:13,551 --> 01:07:15,335
Yeah, she went to-
1390
01:07:15,466 --> 01:07:20,906
she thought for sure that her
baby boy was in Kelligrews-
1391
01:07:21,037 --> 01:07:22,690
with this family.
1392
01:07:22,821 --> 01:07:24,649
And she went and
she worked for them.
1393
01:07:24,779 --> 01:07:25,476
They had-
1394
01:07:25,606 --> 01:07:27,434
foster children.
1395
01:07:27,565 --> 01:07:32,874
She just knew that
her baby was there.
1396
01:07:33,005 --> 01:07:34,354
Yeah.
1397
01:07:34,485 --> 01:07:36,878
And that was-
1398
01:07:37,009 --> 01:07:37,705
Fuck.
1399
01:07:37,836 --> 01:07:38,706
Yeah.
1400
01:07:38,837 --> 01:07:42,580
Well I mean, you
were already gone.
1401
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:44,147
So she was like-
1402
01:07:44,277 --> 01:07:45,713
Oh wow, so she thought
I was in Newfoundland.
1403
01:07:45,844 --> 01:07:46,801
Yeah.
1404
01:07:46,932 --> 01:07:48,412
She didn't know
where you were.
1405
01:07:48,542 --> 01:07:50,762
She didn't realize they adopted
me out to another province.
1406
01:07:50,892 --> 01:07:51,763
No.
1407
01:07:53,504 --> 01:07:54,853
They let her go-
1408
01:07:54,983 --> 01:07:59,249
because she was getting
too attached to the baby.
1409
01:08:11,739 --> 01:08:12,436
Ruth loved-
1410
01:08:14,046 --> 01:08:16,483
Ruth loved Mary Margaret.
1411
01:08:16,614 --> 01:08:17,919
And Ruth was your
daughter, right?
1412
01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:20,008
My daughter Ruth, yeah.
1413
01:08:20,139 --> 01:08:23,838
Ruth was the baby that
Mary Margaret helped to-
1414
01:08:23,969 --> 01:08:26,798
helped to take care of
when she was born.
1415
01:08:28,626 --> 01:08:31,498
Ruth was living
in Sault Ste. Marie.
1416
01:08:31,629 --> 01:08:33,848
She was married-
1417
01:08:33,979 --> 01:08:35,459
and had two children.
1418
01:08:35,589 --> 01:08:40,899
And Mary Margaret
would go and visit her.
1419
01:08:42,466 --> 01:08:48,863
And it was the police
who called Ruth to-
1420
01:08:48,994 --> 01:08:50,430
gave her the
news, you know?
1421
01:08:50,561 --> 01:08:51,692
And um-
1422
01:08:52,693 --> 01:08:54,913
and Ruth had
to identify-
1423
01:08:56,349 --> 01:08:58,046
identify her body.
1424
01:09:06,794 --> 01:09:08,274
You know what's crazy
about that is that like-
1425
01:09:08,405 --> 01:09:11,625
and I mean, I
found it out, and-
1426
01:09:11,756 --> 01:09:14,106
so I was born
January 17th, right?
1427
01:09:14,237 --> 01:09:14,933
You know that.
1428
01:09:15,063 --> 01:09:16,021
Yeah.
1429
01:09:16,152 --> 01:09:18,328
And she took her
life on January 19th.
1430
01:09:20,808 --> 01:09:22,201
I didn't know that.
1431
01:09:22,723 --> 01:09:23,942
Yeah.
1432
01:09:24,508 --> 01:09:25,683
Wow.
1433
01:09:25,813 --> 01:09:27,032
Yeah.
1434
01:09:27,989 --> 01:09:29,077
Oh Adrian.
1435
01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:35,432
You know, I went.
1436
01:09:35,562 --> 01:09:37,651
I went to Newfoundland
when I was 26.
1437
01:09:37,782 --> 01:09:38,478
Did you?
1438
01:09:38,609 --> 01:09:39,349
Yeah.
1439
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:40,567
I did.
1440
01:09:40,698 --> 01:09:42,613
I didn't have
the courage-
1441
01:09:42,743 --> 01:09:44,180
to go looking
for her.
1442
01:09:44,310 --> 01:09:45,050
Mm-hmm.
1443
01:09:45,181 --> 01:09:46,443
You know?
1444
01:09:46,573 --> 01:09:47,966
I just didn't have the courage
to go looking for her.
1445
01:09:52,318 --> 01:09:53,493
Fear of rejection.
1446
01:09:53,624 --> 01:09:54,929
Ah yeah.
1447
01:09:55,060 --> 01:09:56,366
And not
just that.
1448
01:09:56,496 --> 01:09:57,410
Like I-
1449
01:10:00,892 --> 01:10:01,893
The family I
was with was-
1450
01:10:02,023 --> 01:10:03,068
it- we had-
1451
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:04,504
It was dark.
1452
01:10:04,635 --> 01:10:05,679
You know, there were dark
things that happened.
1453
01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:06,637
Yeah.
1454
01:10:06,767 --> 01:10:08,029
And um-
1455
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,119
I just didn't
want to like-
1456
01:10:11,250 --> 01:10:13,948
I didn't want to come
and be a blight, you know-
1457
01:10:14,079 --> 01:10:15,602
on you guys.
1458
01:10:18,083 --> 01:10:20,128
But you know you would
have been welcomed.
1459
01:10:33,272 --> 01:10:36,362
This photo is amazing.
1460
01:10:36,493 --> 01:10:38,930
It was a great
moment for me-
1461
01:10:39,060 --> 01:10:39,757
you in one arm-
1462
01:10:39,887 --> 01:10:42,194
Kristin in
the other arm.
1463
01:10:42,325 --> 01:10:43,891
And she was carrying-
1464
01:10:44,022 --> 01:10:45,023
the baseball bat!
1465
01:10:47,068 --> 01:10:49,027
Yeah, it's great.
1466
01:10:49,157 --> 01:10:50,289
And look at
your expression!
1467
01:10:50,420 --> 01:10:51,638
Yeah yeah.
1468
01:10:51,769 --> 01:10:54,467
No, I've always-
1469
01:10:54,598 --> 01:10:56,164
Yeah, I've always
idolized you.
1470
01:10:57,383 --> 01:10:59,124
So that expression-
1471
01:10:59,255 --> 01:11:01,692
and you look at
these other pictures.
1472
01:11:01,822 --> 01:11:03,650
And uh-
1473
01:11:03,781 --> 01:11:04,477
it's different.
1474
01:11:06,349 --> 01:11:10,309
Your adoptive father
gets in there.
1475
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:11,702
With Keith, yeah.
1476
01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:15,749
Yeah, I haven't spoken to him
in like 28 years or something.
1477
01:11:17,185 --> 01:11:19,144
I remember when I was a
kid, I thought one thing.
1478
01:11:19,275 --> 01:11:21,538
I thought okay.
1479
01:11:21,668 --> 01:11:23,714
Because I was always
told that when you're sick-
1480
01:11:23,844 --> 01:11:25,629
it's not your fault.
1481
01:11:25,759 --> 01:11:26,891
When you throw up-
1482
01:11:27,021 --> 01:11:28,153
because Keith was really-
1483
01:11:28,284 --> 01:11:30,242
really, really, really
violent, right?
1484
01:11:30,373 --> 01:11:35,203
But if you threw
up, and um-
1485
01:11:35,334 --> 01:11:37,336
he never got angry
because you were sick.
1486
01:11:39,207 --> 01:11:41,558
And I was
like, okay.
1487
01:11:41,688 --> 01:11:43,560
And when I was a really
young kid, I just decided-
1488
01:11:43,690 --> 01:11:44,648
well, Keith was sick.
1489
01:11:46,693 --> 01:11:51,307
There was a really
angry, angry streak-
1490
01:11:51,437 --> 01:11:53,221
in him.
1491
01:11:56,312 --> 01:11:59,227
It never
happened to me.
1492
01:11:59,358 --> 01:12:00,185
Um-
1493
01:12:05,582 --> 01:12:07,540
but it happened
to you.
1494
01:12:10,761 --> 01:12:12,066
And Kristin.
1495
01:12:14,373 --> 01:12:15,287
Yeah, it was bad.
1496
01:12:16,941 --> 01:12:17,985
Anyway.
1497
01:12:18,334 --> 01:12:19,291
Oh, it was bad.
1498
01:12:19,944 --> 01:12:20,901
So you-
1499
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:23,382
uh-
1500
01:12:26,646 --> 01:12:27,517
Adrian: I couldn't-
1501
01:12:27,647 --> 01:12:28,387
I couldn't talk
to him anymore.
1502
01:12:28,518 --> 01:12:29,214
I was done.
1503
01:12:29,345 --> 01:12:29,997
I couldn't-
1504
01:12:30,128 --> 01:12:30,824
Really?
1505
01:12:30,955 --> 01:12:32,043
Oh yeah.
1506
01:12:32,173 --> 01:12:33,523
I couldn't do it.
1507
01:12:33,653 --> 01:12:35,089
I quit smoking.
1508
01:12:35,220 --> 01:12:38,136
I realized smoking
was going to kill me.
1509
01:12:38,266 --> 01:12:42,880
And I realized Keith was maybe
the exact same thing as smoking.
1510
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:47,145
If I had him in my life,
he was going to kill me.
1511
01:13:00,724 --> 01:13:02,813
It's really hard-
1512
01:13:02,943 --> 01:13:03,683
Johannah: Yeah.
1513
01:13:03,814 --> 01:13:05,468
to get information
about her.
1514
01:13:05,598 --> 01:13:06,338
Yeah, yeah.
1515
01:13:06,469 --> 01:13:07,557
Do you feel that
way about her?
1516
01:13:07,687 --> 01:13:08,471
Um-
1517
01:13:10,255 --> 01:13:11,822
I felt like I
never knew her.
1518
01:13:11,952 --> 01:13:13,040
And yet I did.
1519
01:13:16,522 --> 01:13:18,089
The way
I see it-
1520
01:13:19,743 --> 01:13:20,526
um-
1521
01:13:22,441 --> 01:13:23,921
everything-
1522
01:13:24,051 --> 01:13:28,404
absolutely everything
was taken from her.
1523
01:13:30,971 --> 01:13:32,277
There was a-
1524
01:13:32,408 --> 01:13:35,585
a sadness in her.
1525
01:13:35,715 --> 01:13:37,021
And what-
1526
01:13:37,151 --> 01:13:39,719
what I found
was, um-
1527
01:13:40,851 --> 01:13:45,856
she had been
sexually abused-
1528
01:13:45,986 --> 01:13:48,728
by the family doctor-
1529
01:13:48,859 --> 01:13:52,253
who was known
to abuse children.
1530
01:13:52,384 --> 01:13:56,170
And I was looking at
pictures here in this.
1531
01:13:56,301 --> 01:13:57,607
And you can see-
1532
01:13:57,737 --> 01:14:02,873
and I could see
the lost little girl.
1533
01:14:08,139 --> 01:14:13,884
No one did anything about
kids, you know, at that time.
1534
01:14:14,014 --> 01:14:18,758
Growing up, the
doctor was the-
1535
01:14:18,889 --> 01:14:19,890
you know-
1536
01:14:20,020 --> 01:14:21,413
God almighty.
1537
01:14:30,291 --> 01:14:31,249
Mary Margaret-
1538
01:14:31,379 --> 01:14:34,600
liked to tell stories.
1539
01:14:34,731 --> 01:14:37,342
And she would
come home-
1540
01:14:37,473 --> 01:14:43,783
and tell that Dad was
with one of the women-
1541
01:14:43,914 --> 01:14:48,527
that Mom just
didn't like.
1542
01:14:48,658 --> 01:14:51,922
She would tell the stories
to cause problems.
1543
01:14:52,052 --> 01:14:54,446
Like she was trying to
break up the family?
1544
01:14:54,577 --> 01:14:55,795
Yeah.
1545
01:14:55,926 --> 01:14:57,014
And you think-
1546
01:14:57,144 --> 01:14:58,406
How old was she when
she was doing this?
1547
01:14:58,537 --> 01:14:59,233
Oh I don't know.
1548
01:14:59,364 --> 01:15:00,321
She was a kid.
1549
01:15:00,452 --> 01:15:01,322
She was-
1550
01:15:01,453 --> 01:15:02,236
um-
1551
01:15:03,586 --> 01:15:04,238
teenager.
1552
01:15:04,369 --> 01:15:05,675
She-
1553
01:15:05,805 --> 01:15:10,549
I mean- but she did create
problems with the family.
1554
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:11,507
And I think-
1555
01:15:11,637 --> 01:15:15,728
this is why there
was the rift.
1556
01:15:20,037 --> 01:15:20,733
I don't know.
1557
01:15:20,864 --> 01:15:22,866
I looked through
her photos.
1558
01:15:22,996 --> 01:15:28,785
And I was like trying to
find that joy or that spirit-
1559
01:15:28,915 --> 01:15:29,742
Yeah.
1560
01:15:29,873 --> 01:15:30,700
who she was.
1561
01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:31,744
Yeah.
1562
01:15:31,875 --> 01:15:33,006
No, there's-
1563
01:15:33,137 --> 01:15:35,052
I mean, I'm looking
at this picture here.
1564
01:15:35,182 --> 01:15:35,835
This is Christmas.
1565
01:15:39,883 --> 01:15:40,797
It feels like-
1566
01:15:40,927 --> 01:15:42,363
if what you're
saying is true, it-
1567
01:15:42,494 --> 01:15:44,365
kind of a lot of
things make sense.
1568
01:15:44,496 --> 01:15:45,323
Mm-hmm.
1569
01:15:47,151 --> 01:15:50,197
My journey
and her journey-
1570
01:15:50,328 --> 01:15:53,418
have too many similarities.
1571
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,553
I don't understand why-
1572
01:16:01,252 --> 01:16:02,122
Yes?
1573
01:16:06,039 --> 01:16:07,911
My adoption wasn't good.
1574
01:16:14,787 --> 01:16:16,006
Do you know this
point right here?
1575
01:16:16,136 --> 01:16:17,398
Mm-hmm.
1576
01:16:17,529 --> 01:16:22,142
This is where we hold our
traumatic memories, okay?
1577
01:16:23,404 --> 01:16:25,711
So I'm just putting
my finger here.
1578
01:16:28,975 --> 01:16:31,804
And you just take
a nice deep breath.
1579
01:16:40,857 --> 01:16:42,989
And now we're
going to come to-
1580
01:16:46,689 --> 01:16:52,042
you're going to
meet little Adrian.
1581
01:16:52,172 --> 01:16:55,698
At what age do you feel
like you'd like to meet him-
1582
01:16:55,828 --> 01:16:56,873
and talk to him?
1583
01:16:59,397 --> 01:17:00,311
Five.
1584
01:17:00,441 --> 01:17:01,094
Okay.
1585
01:17:05,098 --> 01:17:06,926
Take a nice
deep breath in.
1586
01:17:12,497 --> 01:17:16,283
And what does he
need from you?
1587
01:17:18,068 --> 01:17:19,591
Protection.
1588
01:17:29,427 --> 01:17:30,341
Adrian: So you
were asking me-
1589
01:17:30,471 --> 01:17:33,692
if I resolved
things with Keith.
1590
01:17:33,823 --> 01:17:36,739
I mean, yeah.
1591
01:17:36,869 --> 01:17:37,609
Um-
1592
01:17:37,740 --> 01:17:39,045
uh, you know-
1593
01:17:39,176 --> 01:17:43,180
I don't wake up with the same
amount of pain, you know?
1594
01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:44,747
I'm older.
1595
01:17:44,877 --> 01:17:46,879
It's a long
time ago.
1596
01:17:47,010 --> 01:17:48,925
I don't have
the same kind of-
1597
01:17:50,491 --> 01:17:52,232
you know, but I had to go
through a lot of stuff, right?
1598
01:17:53,364 --> 01:17:54,626
Like, I had to-
1599
01:17:54,757 --> 01:17:56,062
I had to do
everything, right?
1600
01:17:56,193 --> 01:17:58,021
Drink, and the
whole deal, right?
1601
01:17:58,412 --> 01:18:02,199
Like everything
to get past, uh-
1602
01:18:02,329 --> 01:18:03,113
you know.
1603
01:18:03,243 --> 01:18:04,636
And I made films.
1604
01:18:04,767 --> 01:18:06,943
And the films basically
helped me uh-
1605
01:18:08,901 --> 01:18:12,165
see people, meet people,
find people's kindness.
1606
01:18:13,558 --> 01:18:15,212
You were my
best friend.
1607
01:18:15,952 --> 01:18:17,214
I was your
best friend.
1608
01:18:17,344 --> 01:18:19,651
I don't know if you remember
that, that you know-
1609
01:18:19,782 --> 01:18:22,610
I had a film
showing.
1610
01:18:22,741 --> 01:18:23,960
A feature.
1611
01:18:24,090 --> 01:18:25,048
And uh-
1612
01:18:26,353 --> 01:18:29,008
I went to the studio
before they showed it.
1613
01:18:29,139 --> 01:18:31,924
And I did a little
introduction.
1614
01:18:32,055 --> 01:18:34,753
And I said-
1615
01:18:34,884 --> 01:18:36,407
I want to
introduce this film-
1616
01:18:36,537 --> 01:18:38,322
to my very best
young friend-
1617
01:18:38,452 --> 01:18:40,150
in Montreal.
1618
01:18:40,672 --> 01:18:41,455
Yeah, it was
on television.
1619
01:18:41,586 --> 01:18:42,761
I was watching
on television.
1620
01:18:43,153 --> 01:18:44,763
And my name
came up.
1621
01:18:44,894 --> 01:18:46,286
You had
dedicated the film.
1622
01:18:46,417 --> 01:18:48,158
You introduced
the film to me.
1623
01:18:48,288 --> 01:18:49,289
It was amazing.
1624
01:18:59,169 --> 01:19:03,129
They've supposedly restored it-
1625
01:19:03,260 --> 01:19:07,481
a year ago, or
two years ago.
1626
01:19:07,612 --> 01:19:09,745
I love her reflections
as she's going through.
1627
01:19:09,875 --> 01:19:10,615
Yeah.
1628
01:19:17,491 --> 01:19:22,409
♪I have been searching
through the timeless past♪
1629
01:19:22,540 --> 01:19:25,412
♪Because of
you my love♪
1630
01:19:25,543 --> 01:19:28,851
♪Because of you
1631
01:20:37,223 --> 01:20:38,355
Ah, that's beautiful.
1632
01:20:38,485 --> 01:20:39,312
Thank you.
1633
01:20:39,443 --> 01:20:40,966
Mmm.
1634
01:20:41,097 --> 01:20:42,750
How, like-
1635
01:20:42,881 --> 01:20:44,143
how did you
write it?
1636
01:20:44,274 --> 01:20:45,144
I don't know.
1637
01:20:47,755 --> 01:20:48,800
I just-
1638
01:20:49,670 --> 01:20:51,498
Oh Mama.
1639
01:20:51,629 --> 01:20:52,499
It just came
to you?
1640
01:20:52,630 --> 01:20:53,500
Mara: Yeah,
just that day.
1641
01:20:53,631 --> 01:20:54,850
I guess I
just felt sad-
1642
01:20:54,980 --> 01:20:59,463
because we hadn't met you
or talked to you or anything-
1643
01:20:59,593 --> 01:21:02,814
and just knowing that you would
never get to meet Mary Margaret-
1644
01:21:02,945 --> 01:21:05,991
and just how
sad it was.
1645
01:21:06,122 --> 01:21:06,818
That's all.
1646
01:21:06,949 --> 01:21:07,688
I don't know.
1647
01:21:07,819 --> 01:21:08,602
I guess I
just always-
1648
01:21:08,733 --> 01:21:10,648
wondered about her.
1649
01:21:10,778 --> 01:21:11,997
Ellen: I thought
about in-
1650
01:21:12,128 --> 01:21:15,348
you know, when
you were born-
1651
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:16,349
and I went to
the nursery-
1652
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:18,351
and asked to
see the baby.
1653
01:21:18,482 --> 01:21:20,614
And um-
1654
01:21:21,833 --> 01:21:22,834
the nurse came out-
1655
01:21:22,965 --> 01:21:24,792
and she just
shouted that-
1656
01:21:24,923 --> 01:21:27,230
You can't see
that baby.
1657
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,885
And then, here I am,
all this time later.
1658
01:21:31,147 --> 01:21:33,932
And you're coming
to see me!
1659
01:21:35,934 --> 01:21:38,284
So I thought,
Oh my God.
1660
01:21:38,415 --> 01:21:40,199
I was just-
1661
01:21:40,330 --> 01:21:41,026
you know-
1662
01:21:41,157 --> 01:21:42,419
Adrian: Yeah.
1663
01:21:42,549 --> 01:21:43,899
It's weird.
1664
01:21:44,029 --> 01:21:47,641
I've been asking all
these people whether-
1665
01:21:47,772 --> 01:21:50,079
whether you should go
looking for the truth, right?
1666
01:21:50,209 --> 01:21:50,949
Mm-hmm.
1667
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,951
Ellen: For me,
it would be-
1668
01:21:53,082 --> 01:21:54,561
Yeah, I would-
1669
01:21:54,692 --> 01:21:57,869
I would want to seek the
truth of my beginnings.
1670
01:21:58,261 --> 01:21:59,305
Yeah.
1671
01:22:00,916 --> 01:22:02,482
What about you?
1672
01:22:05,355 --> 01:22:07,096
Um- I don't know.
1673
01:22:09,794 --> 01:22:12,144
It probably comes to find
you anyway eventually.
1674
01:22:27,464 --> 01:22:29,945
Johannah: A whole
new beginning.
1675
01:22:32,077 --> 01:22:32,860
Yeah.
1676
01:22:34,558 --> 01:22:35,472
Yeah.
1677
01:22:42,174 --> 01:22:44,046
And you
are a gift-
1678
01:22:44,176 --> 01:22:45,177
from Mary Margaret-
1679
01:22:48,267 --> 01:22:49,268
to us-
1680
01:22:50,661 --> 01:22:52,402
to her family.
1681
01:22:55,100 --> 01:22:56,232
Yeah.
1682
01:22:56,362 --> 01:22:57,059
That's really sweet.
1683
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:59,539
You are her gift.
1684
01:23:01,193 --> 01:23:02,281
That's really sweet.
1685
01:23:03,239 --> 01:23:04,631
It's true.
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