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[crowd chants "Razor"]
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- I'm poster boy for all the
things you can do wrong
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in wrestling.
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The only thing really keeping me
going for a lot of years was
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that feeling I got in front
of an audience.
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That rush when I go through the
crowd and, you know,
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getting to perform.
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I really felt a freedom.
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I became another character.
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Because Scott Hall may be having
a lot of personal difficulties,
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but when Razor steps through
that curtain, man, he ain't got
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no problems, his life is great.
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It's better than yours.
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- If you really want to call a
guy who represented cool,
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Scott Hall was like James Dean.
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- Everybody, they want to be
like me.
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- Here comes The Bad Guy.
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- This is the next big star of
the '90s.
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- Taking that toothpick,
only Scott could have
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made it a big deal.
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- He just oozes coolness.
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- All you people are here to see
the-
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[crowd yells "nWo"]
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- Scott was the nucleus of us,
the vibe of the nWo.
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- You can't teach cool.
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Scott was always a cool guy.
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- 911, what's your emergency?
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- Extremely impaired drinking
and, uh, attempting to possibly
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drink himself to death.
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- I felt like I had a lot of
people fooled that I was this
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real nice guy,
but really I'm not.
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You know, I've done some
bad things that people
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don't know about.
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I'm not a-
I'm a bad person.
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I don't deserve this,
and it's all a sham,
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and they're gonna catch me.
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- Scott was just a haunted
person.
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I was always concerned
about Scott
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You could feel there's
no way to help.
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- What do you do when they quit
chanting your name?
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- What happened to Scott Hall?
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What happened to Razor Ramon?
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He's broken down.
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- Scott said, outside of that
ring, my life's a mess.
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But in it-
Can't nobody touch me.
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♪
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- Well, where we are is in, uh,
St. Mary's County, Maryland.
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My name's Steve Hall.
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I'm the youngest brother
of Scott Hall.
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My parents met here and it's
always had very, very special
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significance to our family.
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They had a play here and my mom
and dad both had leading roles
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and the play was
done right here.
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And, uh, so they had--
they had Scott in 1958.
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- Thank you.
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- Okay, I am speeding.
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- I grew up an Army brat.
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So the first 15 years of my
life, we moved every year,
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and I can't tell you the order
and what places we ended up.
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My dad was a big shot.
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He was a war hero and a pilot,
and, uh, my mother was a model.
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- He was kinda shy, uh, and kind
of quiet and big for his age.
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- I have two younger brothers,
but they're significantly
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younger, like, you know, 8 years
and 10 years.
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So I was an only child
for a long time.
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My eighth birthday,
my dad took me and
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some of my buddies to a
wrestling show.
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At this point, even some of the
other kids would go,
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"You know this stuff's all fake,
right?"
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And I was going,
"No, it's not, man."
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And-
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[laughs]
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and we were watching and it
ended up being a hair match.
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The-The loser gets his head
shaved.
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And I remember-- I still have
the program with the piece of
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the guy's scalp in it because
they would shave the guy's head.
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At the end of the show, I was
going to my buddies,
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"Would you let somebody shave
your head man?
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See? See?"
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I thought it was really cool.
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It made an imprint on me
that night.
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I remember thinking,
"Wow, what a cool job.
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Like, what, these guys,
this is what they do.
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Like, my dad flies airplanes.
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These guys wrestle.
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Their life is like a movie."
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I do remember like my dad
telling me,
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"Never join the service unless
you're gonna be an officer."
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I remember being with my dad and
dudes were like on the side of
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the road digging ditches.
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My dad would go, "Watch this,"
and he'd walk by and they'd all
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would jump up and go like this.
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He'd go-- He would elbow me,
and go.
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[laughs]
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Like-- I mean, it felt like he
knew it was a work.
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Like everything is a work,
I guess.
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It served me well
in pro wrestling.
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I mean, but I wasn't very
close to my dad.
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I grew up on a really super
strict Army background.
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- He was an alcoholic.
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I mean, my dad went to AA
meetings every day.
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- It kind of got so bad.
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I think it was ruining
his career.
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I think he would have been
a full Colonel for sure.
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- He was a provider and he was
all these things,
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but he never sat around and
talked to me about stuff.
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He was too busy.
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- So Scott had gone to high
school in Germany
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and his mother and father broke
up and his mother decided to
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move back to her hometown of
Lexington Park, Maryland.
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- Henry had applied for a
divorce and Scott was very hurt.
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- I think it was probably a
very, very difficult transition
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for Scott, um, because that was
really at the formative time of
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-of his life.
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- The timing of the divorce was
a lot worse for Scott than
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it was for me or Steve.
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And we were supposed to be
in Germany for three years.
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We came back after one.
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Now, I'm the man of the family,
probably made him more bitter
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about the divorce.
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He was at a crucial point,
you know, okay,
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am I going to college?
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Am I doing this?
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Am I-- You know, where am I
gonna be living?
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- He played basketball at St.
Mary's College,
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but I think he only went two or
three semesters.
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- On my own, I strike out and I
moved to Florida with one of my
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buddies and just bouncing around
from place to place, sleeping on
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people's couches and floors.
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I don't care, I'm 17
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I feel like I'm bulletproof.
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- We hopped in the car, drove to
Orlando, went-- didn't even stop
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as he drove straight through.
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- He worked for a place called
Rosie O'Grady's where the--
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the waiters sang and danced.
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- At that time, you know, Lou
Ferrigno was starring in the
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Incredible Hulk on TV.
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That whole bodybuilding thing
was starting to take off.
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- I was first exposed to
bodybuilding,
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like weightlifting at that time.
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Like all the other guys were
weightlifting,
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and I thought it
was kind of silly.
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I was a basketball player and I
ran cross country.
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Next thing you know, I'm into
lifting weights.
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Always been a huge
wrestling fan.
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And now, you know, I get a
little job so I can afford to go
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to shows, and every Sunday night
at the Eddie Graham Sports
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Complex in-in East Orlando, I'd
go there every Sunday to the
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point where I start putting
some size on.
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I would do stuff like, I would
go stand by the entranceway,
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like the guardrails where the
guys make their entrance.
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And I'd go stand and I'd tell my
friend,
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"How do I look next to him, man?
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Like, how do I look
next to him?"
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He'd go, "You're bigger than
them, man."
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You bigger, you know, like.
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- People were just gawking
at him.
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I mean, every place he went,
they were going,
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"Oh my God. Man, you ought to
go into wrestling
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or something like that."
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So that's really what, uh,
catapulted him, you know, to-
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uh, to-to think about going into
wrestling at that--
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So he was starting to think
about that already.
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- He was just bodybuilding and
working as a waiter.
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As he got bigger, he, uh, moved
up to being a bouncer.
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And I think he used to bounce at
the-- like the topless bars.
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- The big money to be made in
bouncing at that time in Orlando
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was in strip clubs.
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I had a rule that I would never
date a girl in a club that I
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worked at because it just makes
it too difficult.
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But broke that rule and became
involved with this girl, and-
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another guy she was involved
with pulled
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a gun on me in the parking lot.
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He was carrying it combat-ready.
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And when we wrestled around and
I ended up with my hand,
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I had no idea that it was ready
to be fired.
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And I just was gonna pistol whip
him with it, really.
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I ended up blowing the back of
his head off at point-blank
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range and it was brutal.
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I mean, I had brains and blood
all over me, and yeah, it--
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[bleep] me up pretty good.
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[phone rings]
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- I can remember
the phone call.
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[phone rings]
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The one that he gets from jail.
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I can remember my mother being
at the-- in her bedroom, um, and
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I remember the-the, uh, there
was a distinct feeling of fear.
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- He said not to worry, that he
was innocent,
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but it-it was scary.
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- Was I trying to hurt him?
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Yeah, big time.
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Did I want him to never
associate coming around
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me with a gun anymore?
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Yeah.
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There was a message
I was trying to send.
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I wasn't trying to kill him,
but he's still dead.
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- He never talked about
it to me, ever.
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- I mean, he was extremely
traumatized by it.
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- He didn't really talk
about it.
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I mean, he just, I think he
tried to leave it buried,
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but I don't think it stayed very
far underneath the surface.
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- He was arrested and-and
everything and then, um, you
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know, he-he was-- he was in jail
for several days, but after a
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few days, they let him out for
lack of evidence.
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- You know, he was trying to
kill me and he got killed.
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I stayed with that girl for
eight years, eight years.
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Every day I'd be going, oh, God
and I'd go,
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"Hi, baby. Morning, baby.
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Want me to make you breakfast or
you wanna go eat out?
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What do you wanna do, baby?"
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And I know she's looking at me
going, "Oh, God."
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You know, she's gotta be feeling
the same thing.
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It was-- it was horrifying, man.
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I probably should have got
counseling then, but I was all
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in this macho thing like,
I'm cool.
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Plus I really felt the need to
take care of her.
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- I think he just tried to not
think about it, but I don't
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think he was very
successful at it.
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It doesn't go away.
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It just festers.
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- There was something that he
was suffering from and it was--
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it was post-traumatic in nature.
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- To get his mind off what had
happened,
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he threw himself into wrestling.
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- I moved from Orlando, Florida,
to Tampa 'cause I knew wrestling
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was there somewhere.
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I joined every gym in town,
which was about five gyms till I
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knew where the wrestlers
worked out.
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Then when I found that,
I went there.
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At that point, this is like '84,
'85.
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Wrestling business changed.
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It became more about image and
more about being camera
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friendly, being marketable.
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It was The Road Warriors, Paul
Orndorff, Hulk Hogan,
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and I had the look.
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- Scott Hall, double tough
individual.
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What a physical specimen.
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- So I met Blackjack Lanza at a
show in St. Louis and he came up
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to me and said, "Hey, kid, you
ready to make a move?"
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"No, I'm not ready."
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And he said, "Everybody sucks
when they start."
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And I said,
"In that case, I am ready,"
243
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and he brought me to the AWA.
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- The Bulldog, there he goes,
this could be over.
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Hall quick in the cover,
hooks the leg,
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and gets the three count.
247
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- That's it.
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- Oh, my.
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Oh, my.
250
00:13:06,458 --> 00:13:08,333
- I'd like to extend a challenge
to all the top names of
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professional wrestling.
252
00:13:09,542 --> 00:13:10,833
You know, I want a shot.
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I want to go to the top.
254
00:13:13,417 --> 00:13:17,000
- I met Scott Hall when we were
both in the AWA.
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He was one of the first guys to
come and let me know that he had
256
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an apartment in the same place
that he had an apartment.
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So he even reached out to me
there, sort of helped me get set
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up, having a lot of fun.
259
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We were making some
money and we
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were getting better at
wrestling.
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- Beautiful full powerslam.
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- Scott Hall checked off
every box.
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I think a great wrestler is
this, this, this, this, this and
264
00:13:36,375 --> 00:13:38,792
you can put a check
in every one of his.
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- And I knew Scott had it,
you know.
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Back then, I could see it.
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He had that presence.
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- And there you go.
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It's Scott Hall.
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Good as gold.
271
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- Wrestling is all about
placement and balance
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and coordination.
273
00:13:49,958 --> 00:13:51,292
You know, he had it all.
274
00:13:51,917 --> 00:13:53,917
- Woo good, high leapfrog.
275
00:13:54,042 --> 00:13:56,750
Oh, high hip toss by Scott Hall.
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- He wasn't who he would become
yet, but you could see like,
277
00:14:00,792 --> 00:14:02,750
wow, that guy's gotta be money.
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00:14:02,833 --> 00:14:04,625
I mean he-he had it all.
279
00:14:05,167 --> 00:14:08,708
- The man many call the Tom
Selleck look-alike,
280
00:14:08,792 --> 00:14:11,625
but bigger and better,
Scott Hall.
281
00:14:12,542 --> 00:14:16,250
- Looked like he's walked out
of central casting.
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00:14:16,375 --> 00:14:20,375
And he got there because two mad
scientists were in the back room
283
00:14:20,458 --> 00:14:23,333
somewhere in a laboratory
creating this perfect image
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of a wrestler.
285
00:14:26,167 --> 00:14:30,000
- You got a date with Scott Hall
in every arena across the state
286
00:14:30,083 --> 00:14:34,458
of Florida, so you better gear
up for the fight of your life.
287
00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,500
There was a time when I was
wrestling in Germany.
288
00:14:38,583 --> 00:14:41,667
Electronic stores always had
their TVs facing the street.
289
00:14:42,292 --> 00:14:45,083
I would go stand in the street
and watch the--
290
00:14:45,167 --> 00:14:46,500
all the TVs turned.
291
00:14:46,583 --> 00:14:48,000
I couldn't hear anything.
292
00:14:48,083 --> 00:14:51,250
And I'm watching, you know,
the WWE on TV.
293
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,000
- Hulkamania is indeed alive.
294
00:14:56,083 --> 00:14:58,500
- Some day, that's gonna be me,
that's gonna be me.
295
00:14:59,208 --> 00:15:01,000
I want to make a name
for myself.
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00:15:01,083 --> 00:15:02,583
The only way to do that is by
winning matches
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00:15:02,667 --> 00:15:04,167
against top competition.
298
00:15:04,750 --> 00:15:08,083
I devoted nearly four or five
years full-time to wrestling and
299
00:15:08,208 --> 00:15:11,292
I look in the mirror and go,
"I think I have what it takes."
300
00:15:11,375 --> 00:15:13,667
Some of my friends who I started
at the same time are having
301
00:15:13,708 --> 00:15:17,500
success, but I'm not in the US
where it really matters.
302
00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:18,625
So I went, you know what?
303
00:15:18,708 --> 00:15:20,083
Then heck with this thing.
304
00:15:20,167 --> 00:15:21,583
I'm gonna get the other
things in life.
305
00:15:21,708 --> 00:15:24,500
I'm gonna get a job at Sears and
learn how to drive a forklift
306
00:15:24,542 --> 00:15:26,375
and get an old lady and have
some kids.
307
00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:28,167
I'll be just as happy doing
that.
308
00:15:30,875 --> 00:15:33,542
- The very first time we met,
we met in a bar.
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00:15:33,625 --> 00:15:35,833
He was blonde back then.
310
00:15:36,292 --> 00:15:38,250
He was just like the strong
silent type, you know.
311
00:15:38,833 --> 00:15:40,083
He-he could be very
sweet.
312
00:15:40,167 --> 00:15:41,625
He was a big teddy bear.
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00:15:42,667 --> 00:15:48,042
- Will you love her, comfort
her, honor and keep her so long
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00:15:48,125 --> 00:15:49,875
as you both shall live?
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00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,000
- I will.
316
00:15:53,125 --> 00:15:54,458
You know, I begged her
to marry me.
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00:15:54,542 --> 00:15:55,833
I was in love.
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00:15:55,917 --> 00:15:58,708
- Scott, you may kiss the bride.
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00:16:00,583 --> 00:16:02,667
Ladies and gentlemen,
I want to introduce to you
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Mr. And Mrs. Scott Hall.
321
00:16:08,417 --> 00:16:10,042
- It was the happiest time
in the world for me.
322
00:16:10,542 --> 00:16:14,250
- Husband and wife,
Dana and Scott Hall.
323
00:16:17,625 --> 00:16:20,167
- You know, I said I had one
more commitment in Europe.
324
00:16:20,250 --> 00:16:21,667
I begged her to marry me.
325
00:16:21,750 --> 00:16:23,167
We got married,
we went to Europe.
326
00:16:23,250 --> 00:16:25,292
I had a seven-month tour.
327
00:16:25,375 --> 00:16:27,000
At the end of seven months,
I came back to Florida,
328
00:16:27,083 --> 00:16:29,375
my wife is six months pregnant.
329
00:16:30,208 --> 00:16:33,667
Now I'm ready to quit wrestling
except I need money.
330
00:16:33,750 --> 00:16:37,542
I gotta pay for this pregnancy
upfront 'cause I'm uninsured.
331
00:16:38,333 --> 00:16:42,667
I called Diamond Dallas Page
going, "Brother, I need a job.
332
00:16:42,750 --> 00:16:44,292
Can you help me?"
333
00:16:44,958 --> 00:16:48,500
- I was with WCW
and I get a call.
334
00:16:48,542 --> 00:16:51,333
"Dally, Scott."
335
00:16:51,417 --> 00:16:52,333
"Hey, buddy."
336
00:16:52,458 --> 00:16:56,042
He goes,
"Man, I really need a job."
337
00:16:56,917 --> 00:17:00,167
- I've worked my way up the
ladder one step at a time,
338
00:17:00,250 --> 00:17:03,500
beating all my opponents and I
want to know why I can't get a
339
00:17:03,625 --> 00:17:05,167
shot at the Florida title.
340
00:17:06,208 --> 00:17:08,458
- Dallas is a smart guy.
341
00:17:08,542 --> 00:17:11,167
He just knew something wasn't
clicking be-- for-for whatever
342
00:17:11,208 --> 00:17:15,250
reason it was, people weren't
looking at Scott and, uh, so
343
00:17:15,333 --> 00:17:16,708
Dallas had this idea.
344
00:17:17,708 --> 00:17:20,125
- Almost instantly it hit me.
345
00:17:20,208 --> 00:17:23,417
I said, "What if I could change
your look?"
346
00:17:24,083 --> 00:17:26,000
He goes, "Oh, Dally."
347
00:17:26,083 --> 00:17:28,708
I go, "Scott, we gotta change
your look."
348
00:17:30,542 --> 00:17:36,167
I watch MTV all the time and on
comes George Michael.
349
00:17:38,708 --> 00:17:41,333
So I pick up the phone,
350
00:17:41,417 --> 00:17:44,333
"Hey Scotty, you gotta shave
that mustache."
351
00:17:46,375 --> 00:17:47,542
"What?
352
00:17:47,667 --> 00:17:51,250
Dally, I had this mustache since
I was 15."
353
00:17:51,375 --> 00:17:53,667
I said, "I'm watching George
Michael right now."
354
00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:54,875
"Who?"
355
00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,125
I'm like, "George Michael, the
singer.
356
00:17:56,250 --> 00:17:57,833
He's got his-- he's got the like
357
00:17:57,958 --> 00:17:59,833
this 5 o'clock shadow
going, dude.
358
00:17:59,875 --> 00:18:01,333
You would look amazing.
359
00:18:01,458 --> 00:18:03,458
You gotta shave the mustache."
360
00:18:05,375 --> 00:18:09,875
His name is The Diamond Studd.
361
00:18:10,208 --> 00:18:11,292
That's right, baby.
362
00:18:11,292 --> 00:18:12,833
Show them what it's all
about here.
363
00:18:12,958 --> 00:18:14,750
It doesn't get any
better than this.
364
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,542
- Take a good look at The Studd.
365
00:18:20,042 --> 00:18:21,083
You dye your hair black.
366
00:18:21,083 --> 00:18:22,167
No one has black hair.
367
00:18:22,250 --> 00:18:23,833
You gotta have the stubble,
you know?
368
00:18:23,917 --> 00:18:27,667
And he- Dallas gave me the
toothpick, the whole thing.
369
00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:30,625
Look right there and
say Studd Time.
370
00:18:30,708 --> 00:18:31,667
- Studd Time.
371
00:18:31,792 --> 00:18:34,167
- All right, that's better, man.
372
00:18:35,250 --> 00:18:40,708
- Scott did it and then it
became Scott's trademark.
373
00:18:41,292 --> 00:18:43,292
- Scott just didn't go boom.
374
00:18:43,375 --> 00:18:48,333
He stepped back, he looked left,
he looked right doot, doot, doot
375
00:18:48,375 --> 00:18:51,250
and flicked it in the camera and
The Bad Guy was born.
376
00:18:52,375 --> 00:18:55,375
- Wrestling fans, the following
tag team event,
377
00:18:55,458 --> 00:18:57,625
it is set for one fall.
378
00:18:58,042 --> 00:19:03,375
- I remember my debut as Oz.
379
00:19:03,833 --> 00:19:05,917
You know, back in those days, if
you were, you know, a guy that
380
00:19:06,042 --> 00:19:08,792
lifted weights, you traveled
with the guys lifting weights,
381
00:19:09,333 --> 00:19:12,000
so it was always me and Scott.
382
00:19:12,458 --> 00:19:16,083
I spent more of my life with
Scott Hall than any other
383
00:19:16,208 --> 00:19:17,667
human on this planet.
384
00:19:19,375 --> 00:19:23,208
I always knew that if [bleep]
went down
385
00:19:23,292 --> 00:19:25,708
and they found my body
his would be next to me.
386
00:19:27,708 --> 00:19:28,583
- It was great.
387
00:19:28,667 --> 00:19:30,000
Kev's a great guy.
388
00:19:30,042 --> 00:19:32,833
He's been a dear friend of mine
since we met, and we were both
389
00:19:32,917 --> 00:19:35,750
jabronis, so we're both
usually on early and got out of
390
00:19:35,875 --> 00:19:38,625
the building early, so it worked
out pretty good for both of us.
391
00:19:39,333 --> 00:19:42,375
You know, the WCW didn't do
anything with me.
392
00:19:42,458 --> 00:19:44,292
You know what time it is?
393
00:19:44,375 --> 00:19:47,167
It's Studd Time.
394
00:19:47,250 --> 00:19:49,375
I remember when I was an
underneath jabroni thinking,
395
00:19:49,542 --> 00:19:51,958
"Yeah, I don't wanna just be
somebody.
396
00:19:52,042 --> 00:19:53,375
I wanna be the guy.
397
00:19:53,458 --> 00:19:54,750
I wanna be a star.
398
00:19:54,875 --> 00:19:55,833
I wanna be the guy.
399
00:19:55,875 --> 00:19:58,417
I wanna be somebody."
400
00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:02,708
- I was watching WCW and saw a
guy called The Diamond Studd,
401
00:20:02,833 --> 00:20:07,750
and I remember calling Vince and
saying, "Hey, turn on TBS
402
00:20:07,875 --> 00:20:09,208
check this guy out."
403
00:20:10,625 --> 00:20:13,417
When it was time for Scott's
contract to be up, came in,
404
00:20:13,417 --> 00:20:15,875
and they talked about
what he liked.
405
00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:21,375
- He told me that Vince wanted
to be like a soldier,
406
00:20:21,458 --> 00:20:23,250
you know, like
a G.I. Joe type guy.
407
00:20:23,833 --> 00:20:25,042
- Vince goes,
"Well, I understand
408
00:20:25,125 --> 00:20:27,000
your father was in the Army.
409
00:20:27,083 --> 00:20:28,792
I remember going,
"Whew, here we go.
410
00:20:28,875 --> 00:20:31,125
I went, Vince, you want me to be
G.I. Joe?
411
00:20:31,208 --> 00:20:33,667
I'll be the best
G.I. Joe I can be."
412
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:34,958
I said, "Did you ever see
Scarface?"
413
00:20:35,042 --> 00:20:36,292
He went, "Uh, no."
414
00:20:36,375 --> 00:20:38,500
"I went you to say hello
to The Bad Guy."
415
00:20:40,333 --> 00:20:43,167
- Did an Al Pacino Scarface
impersonation
416
00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:44,625
and Razor Ramon was born.
417
00:20:49,625 --> 00:20:50,333
[bell rings]
418
00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:52,708
- This is scheduled for a
one-fall match.
419
00:20:53,875 --> 00:20:56,958
- I remember I had a tryout for
Vince McMahon.
420
00:20:57,667 --> 00:21:00,833
I was summoned to his office
and I started doing
421
00:21:00,917 --> 00:21:04,250
my whole Razor schtick,
and he was laughing.
422
00:21:04,333 --> 00:21:05,542
He thought it was great.
423
00:21:05,625 --> 00:21:07,500
And I'm just stealing
lines from the movie.
424
00:21:08,375 --> 00:21:13,167
- The world, chico, and
everything in it.
425
00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:17,417
- The world, chico, and
everything in it.
426
00:21:18,875 --> 00:21:22,458
- It's obviously inspired by Al
Pacino's Scarface,
427
00:21:22,542 --> 00:21:24,000
but he made it his own.
428
00:21:31,042 --> 00:21:35,375
- Say hello to Razor Ramon.
429
00:21:35,833 --> 00:21:38,208
Check my ride, man.
430
00:21:38,292 --> 00:21:40,167
It's a Cadillac, man.
431
00:21:40,292 --> 00:21:43,042
Custom made for Razor.
432
00:21:44,625 --> 00:21:48,292
- Vince left TV to personally
direct the Razor vignettes,
433
00:21:48,375 --> 00:21:49,708
and he doesn't do that.
434
00:21:50,292 --> 00:21:52,208
- Look at me, man.
435
00:21:52,292 --> 00:21:53,458
Look at my threads.
436
00:21:53,542 --> 00:21:56,083
Look at that gold around
my neck, man.
437
00:21:56,167 --> 00:21:57,875
- Look at the gold.
438
00:21:58,625 --> 00:22:01,542
- And he's loving
what I'm doing.
439
00:22:02,083 --> 00:22:03,667
And we knocked out three
or four vignettes.
440
00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:06,667
- That was good.
That was much better.
441
00:22:11,042 --> 00:22:12,000
- Like this monkey.
442
00:22:12,125 --> 00:22:13,583
- Hey.
443
00:22:13,667 --> 00:22:14,542
Oh, man.
444
00:22:16,125 --> 00:22:18,667
- Now, I haven't been on TV yet,
so no one knows who I am, but
445
00:22:18,750 --> 00:22:21,250
I'm walking through the airport
like with a vest and gold
446
00:22:21,333 --> 00:22:25,458
chains, you know, with the curly
Q, and-- but I'm with Vince.
447
00:22:25,542 --> 00:22:27,000
Now, everyone knows Vince.
448
00:22:27,083 --> 00:22:28,500
It's like, "Oh, hey, Vince, is
that your new guy?"
449
00:22:28,583 --> 00:22:30,875
He's going, "So, look out for
The Bad Guy.
450
00:22:30,958 --> 00:22:31,958
He's coming soon."
451
00:22:33,583 --> 00:22:35,000
I mean, you got to remember,
that's me going back to that
452
00:22:35,125 --> 00:22:37,083
eight-year-old kid at the
wrestling mat telling my friends
453
00:22:37,167 --> 00:22:38,417
this stuff is real.
454
00:22:39,958 --> 00:22:41,833
And now I'm walking through the
airport with Vince McMahon and
455
00:22:41,917 --> 00:22:44,333
people are pointing their
fingers at me going,
456
00:22:44,375 --> 00:22:45,833
"Wow, that guy is somebody."
457
00:22:46,667 --> 00:22:48,125
That's a pretty good feeling.
458
00:22:52,042 --> 00:22:53,667
- From Miami, Florida--
459
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:55,250
- Well, take a look at this.
460
00:22:55,333 --> 00:23:03,000
--weighing 287 pounds,
Razor Ramon.
461
00:23:04,042 --> 00:23:06,458
- Oh, wow.
462
00:23:06,542 --> 00:23:09,750
Look at Razor Ramon at will
slapping his opponent.
463
00:23:10,792 --> 00:23:12,125
- Oh, no.
464
00:23:12,750 --> 00:23:15,042
I have never seen a move like
that before.
465
00:23:16,542 --> 00:23:20,750
- Razor gonna carve you up.
466
00:23:22,208 --> 00:23:24,917
- "I'm gonna carve you up."
467
00:23:25,042 --> 00:23:27,875
I mean, just-- he just had it
down man, he had the-
468
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:28,792
the whole gimmick down.
469
00:23:30,375 --> 00:23:35,500
- A dedication to the gimmick by
Scott that when he was Razor,
470
00:23:35,542 --> 00:23:36,625
he was Razor.
471
00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:40,167
- Something happens to this
gold, chico,
472
00:23:40,292 --> 00:23:42,792
something's going
to happen to you.
473
00:23:42,875 --> 00:23:43,750
Entiendes man?
474
00:23:43,833 --> 00:23:45,042
[bell rings]
475
00:23:45,875 --> 00:23:47,708
- You could see how
cool he was.
476
00:23:47,833 --> 00:23:50,875
No matter how bad he was, the
things he would say were mean or
477
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,083
you wanted to boo him--
478
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:57,167
- Nobody beats The Bad Guy.
479
00:23:57,708 --> 00:24:00,167
--but you couldn't deny the
fact that Scott Hall,
480
00:24:00,208 --> 00:24:03,167
Razor Ramon, is cool.
481
00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:06,167
Like, just-- he just oozes
coolness.
482
00:24:07,458 --> 00:24:11,708
- Every little detail was so
perfect.
483
00:24:11,792 --> 00:24:15,375
Scott Hall became
that character.
484
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:17,375
- Here comes The Bad Guy.
485
00:24:17,458 --> 00:24:19,458
- This is the next big star of
the '90s.
486
00:24:20,208 --> 00:24:21,500
- I mean, everything was like,
487
00:24:21,625 --> 00:24:23,292
"Huh? Like, you're looking at
me?"
488
00:24:23,375 --> 00:24:26,458
You want to fight Razor Ramon?
489
00:24:26,542 --> 00:24:28,667
You lost your mind, chico.
490
00:24:32,333 --> 00:24:35,333
- His name's Razor Ramon.
491
00:24:35,417 --> 00:24:36,917
He's from Miami.
492
00:24:37,042 --> 00:24:43,125
He speaks with this really
interesting attempt
493
00:24:43,208 --> 00:24:44,667
at an accent.
494
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:46,875
- Man, I living like a king.
495
00:24:47,875 --> 00:24:50,792
- And I think people were
willing to just give it a pass.
496
00:24:50,875 --> 00:24:53,000
They just thought it was cool.
497
00:24:53,083 --> 00:24:56,583
- I am Razor Ramon.
498
00:24:56,667 --> 00:25:00,750
- I'm really happy that my break
as Razor came when it did
499
00:25:00,875 --> 00:25:05,000
because I'd already been around
for several years,
500
00:25:05,708 --> 00:25:07,750
different hairstyles,
different gimmicks.
501
00:25:07,833 --> 00:25:10,833
I mean trying to get over,
and-and not-nothing catching on.
502
00:25:12,458 --> 00:25:16,833
- By the time he got to that
character, he was so ready for
503
00:25:16,917 --> 00:25:19,958
that push that nothing could
stop him.
504
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,250
- Razor Ramon, the new
Intercontinental Champion,
505
00:25:25,333 --> 00:25:27,875
and these fans are celebrating.
506
00:25:28,583 --> 00:25:31,250
- It was just the coolness
factor.
507
00:25:31,375 --> 00:25:33,417
His merchandise was cool.
508
00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:35,792
What wasn't cool about Razor
Ramon?
509
00:25:42,417 --> 00:25:45,375
- At that time, guys on the
crew, everybody's walking going,
510
00:25:45,458 --> 00:25:47,625
"I told you, man.
I told you, man.
511
00:25:47,708 --> 00:25:49,625
It's-It's infectious."
512
00:25:49,708 --> 00:25:52,292
And that whole Razor
gimmick got over.
513
00:25:52,375 --> 00:25:53,292
Yo.
514
00:25:54,458 --> 00:25:57,792
- Considering how big
a term "yo" is,
515
00:25:57,875 --> 00:26:01,375
if you say, "Hey, yo,"
you're being Razor Ramon.
516
00:26:02,125 --> 00:26:06,375
- Yo, welcome to the locker room
of The Bad Guy.
517
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,292
I think I may have got that from
Rocky II.
518
00:26:10,375 --> 00:26:11,875
They're going, "Rock, we gotta
jump on this right away.
519
00:26:11,958 --> 00:26:13,417
Well, you know, come on.
You know, give me your number,
520
00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:14,583
I'll call you."
"You call me."
521
00:26:14,667 --> 00:26:15,833
And he goes,
"Yeah, I'll call you guys.
522
00:26:15,958 --> 00:26:17,333
Well, here's my number, just--
I'll call you."
523
00:26:17,417 --> 00:26:19,292
You know, I go like, "Hey, yo."
524
00:26:19,375 --> 00:26:20,167
- I'll just call you.
525
00:26:20,250 --> 00:26:21,792
I'll go, "Hey, yo."
526
00:26:21,875 --> 00:26:25,500
- I steal only from the best,
guys like Stallone and Pacino.
527
00:26:25,542 --> 00:26:27,458
So, thanks, Sly.
528
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:31,792
- Scott Hall-isms that my
friends and I think of are the
529
00:26:31,917 --> 00:26:33,250
things he used to say behind the
scenes like,
530
00:26:33,333 --> 00:26:35,833
"Hey, yo, Stickman."
531
00:26:35,875 --> 00:26:37,667
He would call me Stickman.
532
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:41,583
- This Stickman, this 1-2-3 Kid.
533
00:26:43,958 --> 00:26:48,292
- One night on Raw, we found out
that Razor Ramon would have a
534
00:26:48,375 --> 00:26:52,000
match against a nobody, a no-
a nothing in the eyes of fans,
535
00:26:52,083 --> 00:26:53,958
and a guy who you're
seeing as tiny and you
536
00:26:54,042 --> 00:26:55,625
think has absolutely no chance.
537
00:26:56,208 --> 00:26:58,500
- Look at the disparity in the
size here of this youngster.
538
00:26:58,583 --> 00:26:59,875
Oh, my.
539
00:27:00,792 --> 00:27:03,958
Oh, manhandling this young man.
540
00:27:05,042 --> 00:27:07,167
- So, I'm beating him
like a job guy.
541
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:08,375
Out of nowhere, moonsault.
542
00:27:09,333 --> 00:27:10,458
- Oh, wait a minute.
543
00:27:10,542 --> 00:27:11,625
One, two, three.
544
00:27:11,708 --> 00:27:14,250
[bell rings]
545
00:27:14,333 --> 00:27:15,417
- What is this?
546
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:17,250
- He got him.
547
00:27:17,250 --> 00:27:21,583
- You see people going, like,
"Oh, my God, Razor lost."
548
00:27:22,208 --> 00:27:24,833
I think we're right there with,
like, the biggest upsets ever.
549
00:27:25,875 --> 00:27:28,250
- Razor Ramon can't believe what
happened to him.
550
00:27:28,375 --> 00:27:29,708
Razor Ramon is angry.
551
00:27:30,583 --> 00:27:33,417
- It's how he sold it, like,
"What happened?"
552
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:34,708
Like, he goes crazy.
553
00:27:36,167 --> 00:27:40,792
- As great as Razor Ramon is,
good for 1-2-3 Kid, who, at
554
00:27:40,792 --> 00:27:44,500
that point, did not deserve to
beat a Razor Ramon.
555
00:27:45,042 --> 00:27:49,125
It just isn't supposed to
happen, but the shock value of
556
00:27:49,208 --> 00:27:54,292
that, and back in those days,
that never happened, so it made
557
00:27:54,375 --> 00:27:59,417
automatically a new superstar in
1-2-3 Kid just by that quick.
558
00:28:00,458 --> 00:28:05,917
- Him wanting to help Sean,
it really put Kid on the map.
559
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,875
- It was the most important
moment of my career bar none.
560
00:28:11,417 --> 00:28:13,167
I got a lot of important moments
after that, but none of them
561
00:28:13,208 --> 00:28:16,750
would have happened if it wasn't
for that moment.
562
00:28:19,458 --> 00:28:22,083
Talking about how generous he
was and kind and compassionate,
563
00:28:22,167 --> 00:28:25,333
the first thing that popped into
my mind is when he went on the
564
00:28:25,417 --> 00:28:27,333
Jerry Springer Show one time.
565
00:28:27,917 --> 00:28:29,542
There was two young children.
566
00:28:29,625 --> 00:28:31,167
They both were HIV positive.
567
00:28:31,708 --> 00:28:33,250
- When you watch wrestling,
who do you like?
568
00:28:34,208 --> 00:28:35,750
- Razor Ramon.
569
00:28:35,833 --> 00:28:38,167
- The boy was a huge
Razor Ramon fan.
570
00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:39,167
- Here he is.
571
00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:41,458
[crowd cheers]
572
00:28:41,542 --> 00:28:43,417
- These guys are fighting a
fight that we all know
573
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:45,208
what-what's happening here.
574
00:28:45,292 --> 00:28:46,875
You take care of that.
575
00:28:46,958 --> 00:28:48,083
I'll see you guys at
WrestleMania.
576
00:28:48,167 --> 00:28:50,125
[crowd cheers]
577
00:28:50,208 --> 00:28:52,167
- He walked out without the
belt because he gave it to the
578
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:55,500
kid, and he called WWE office
and he said, "Oh, yeah, if you
579
00:28:55,583 --> 00:29:00,167
have an-an-- a spare IC title
belt, you might wanna bring it
580
00:29:00,250 --> 00:29:03,167
to the TV because I just gave it
away to this kid
581
00:29:03,333 --> 00:29:04,500
on the Springer Show."
582
00:29:07,125 --> 00:29:09,458
- I always remember him being
larger than life, you know,
583
00:29:09,542 --> 00:29:12,125
always having to look, you know,
look straight up to see him.
584
00:29:15,042 --> 00:29:16,458
- What are you doing, Cody?
585
00:29:16,458 --> 00:29:18,417
- I'm walking in daddy's shoes.
586
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,292
- Walking in daddy's shoes.
587
00:29:21,208 --> 00:29:22,625
- You know, everybody thinks
their dad is so big,
588
00:29:22,708 --> 00:29:24,250
but my dad really was, you know.
589
00:29:24,375 --> 00:29:25,792
My dad can beat up your dad,
you know.
590
00:29:25,875 --> 00:29:27,042
I could really believe that.
591
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:30,250
- You know, you got to remember,
I'm young and in love too so
592
00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:33,417
everything is great and all
those-- I feel like I'm
593
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:35,000
connecting with my kid.
594
00:29:35,125 --> 00:29:38,208
It's like, "Ooh, protect my
family, hunter, gatherer,"
595
00:29:38,292 --> 00:29:40,500
you know, "let me go conquer
the world now."
596
00:29:41,667 --> 00:29:42,667
- And we had a nice life.
597
00:29:42,792 --> 00:29:44,000
We got to go places
and do things,
598
00:29:44,167 --> 00:29:46,167
and we had material things.
599
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,250
- I remember every morning, uh,
he never would come
600
00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:51,625
wake us up in our rooms.
601
00:29:51,708 --> 00:29:54,125
He would always just play his
Shaggy CD blasting really loud
602
00:29:54,208 --> 00:29:57,250
through the house, and come out
and he'd be cooking sausages.
603
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,375
- You know, things are great,
man.
604
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:01,042
I mean, it was a wonderful,
wonderful time in my life when
605
00:30:01,125 --> 00:30:02,542
I look back on it, you know.
606
00:30:05,458 --> 00:30:07,833
- Has anyone ever been cooler in
wrestling?
607
00:30:07,875 --> 00:30:09,500
Like, I don't know that
anyone's ever been
608
00:30:09,583 --> 00:30:10,792
that much cooler than that.
609
00:30:11,167 --> 00:30:13,458
Then on top of that, he's
fantastic in the ring.
610
00:30:13,542 --> 00:30:15,500
It's not like he had the
character and the vignettes, and
611
00:30:15,583 --> 00:30:17,667
then when he would showed up and
you saw him wrestle, he stunk.
612
00:30:18,083 --> 00:30:20,667
He was every bit as good in the
ring as he was on the
613
00:30:20,708 --> 00:30:24,292
microphone, or backstage in an
interview, whatever it may be.
614
00:30:25,083 --> 00:30:26,792
- Look at this, ladies and
gentlemen.
615
00:30:26,875 --> 00:30:28,333
That's unbelievable.
616
00:30:28,625 --> 00:30:31,708
- Teddy, no-
Down to the canvas.
617
00:30:31,792 --> 00:30:33,292
- There was never a time where
they said,
618
00:30:33,375 --> 00:30:34,875
"You can have the night
off if you want."
619
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Scotty be like,
"I'll work. I'll work."
620
00:30:38,042 --> 00:30:39,417
Because that was, you know, that
was his laboratory.
621
00:30:41,542 --> 00:30:44,167
- That's what it's all about,
the two Intercontinental
622
00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:46,250
Championship belts hanging from
above.
623
00:30:46,375 --> 00:30:48,000
[bell rings]
624
00:30:48,083 --> 00:30:52,167
- Scott and Shawn, I mean, the
ladder match, WrestleMania X.
625
00:30:52,542 --> 00:30:53,167
- Here we go.
626
00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:53,750
Razor.
627
00:30:53,833 --> 00:30:55,833
No, Razor reverses.
628
00:30:55,917 --> 00:30:57,875
Oh, no.
629
00:30:57,958 --> 00:30:58,875
- They took it to a different
level.
630
00:30:59,417 --> 00:31:03,000
- Shawn Michaels from
high above.
631
00:31:03,083 --> 00:31:04,958
Oh.
632
00:31:05,042 --> 00:31:08,208
- It's one of my favorite
WrestleMania matches ever.
633
00:31:08,792 --> 00:31:09,833
- No, no, no.
634
00:31:09,917 --> 00:31:11,042
- Oh.
635
00:31:12,417 --> 00:31:15,083
- At that time, we were 10 feet
tall, bulletproof.
636
00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:17,125
- Unbelievable.
637
00:31:17,208 --> 00:31:18,500
- Oh.
638
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,333
- To get to experience that with
him is very fun.
639
00:31:21,875 --> 00:31:24,250
- I remember looking at Shawn
and going,
640
00:31:24,333 --> 00:31:27,875
"Don't tell, Vince, but I would
do this for free.
641
00:31:27,958 --> 00:31:29,958
This feels so good."
642
00:31:30,667 --> 00:31:31,250
- Going up.
643
00:31:31,333 --> 00:31:32,000
- Razor's up.
644
00:31:32,042 --> 00:31:33,292
Come on, referee.
645
00:31:35,208 --> 00:31:36,958
- Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
646
00:31:37,042 --> 00:31:39,125
[bell rings]
647
00:31:39,542 --> 00:31:41,208
- Me and Shawn rocked it.
648
00:31:42,042 --> 00:31:45,250
- Razor is the undisputed
champion.
649
00:31:47,375 --> 00:31:50,750
- Literally when you first start
saying, I wanna become a WWE
650
00:31:50,833 --> 00:31:55,458
Superstar, the matches that you
watch, that one's on the list.
651
00:31:56,458 --> 00:31:58,000
- The ladder match at
WrestleMania X is in the
652
00:31:58,083 --> 00:32:00,833
conversation for best
WrestleMania match of all time.
653
00:32:01,458 --> 00:32:04,167
It's a wonderful match between
two guys who knew each other
654
00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:05,417
like the back of their hands.
655
00:32:07,208 --> 00:32:09,417
- I've been so blessed that a
lot of my matches in my career,
656
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:11,833
I look across the ring and it's
guys that I'm going to ride out
657
00:32:11,958 --> 00:32:13,042
of the building with.
658
00:32:14,375 --> 00:32:19,125
- Triple H, Sean Waltman, Shawn
Michaels, Kevin Nash,
659
00:32:19,208 --> 00:32:21,375
and Scott Hall, the Kliq.
660
00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:25,000
- Five guys that shared
this bond.
661
00:32:25,875 --> 00:32:29,167
The bond sorta just came outta
a love for the business
662
00:32:29,208 --> 00:32:30,542
We drove down the road together
and all we did was
663
00:32:30,667 --> 00:32:31,583
talk about business.
664
00:32:33,042 --> 00:32:34,333
- A bunch of guys that decided
to stick together,
665
00:32:34,417 --> 00:32:35,583
and have each other's backs.
666
00:32:37,042 --> 00:32:38,333
- I remember Vince walking into
the locker one time.
667
00:32:38,375 --> 00:32:41,833
He goes, "I have one question
about this Kliq."
668
00:32:41,917 --> 00:32:43,208
He goes, "How do I get in?"
669
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:46,667
And we went,
670
00:32:46,792 --> 00:32:49,417
"You love the business,
you're already in, boss."
671
00:32:50,375 --> 00:32:52,958
- Dudes you can talk to about
your kids, and your old lady,
672
00:32:53,042 --> 00:32:55,292
and your marriage,
and your troubles.
673
00:32:55,375 --> 00:32:57,167
I mean, and then to be able to
go out there and rock it with
674
00:32:57,250 --> 00:32:58,583
them in the ring.
675
00:33:01,458 --> 00:33:05,042
When you're with one of your
dearest friends and you go out
676
00:33:05,125 --> 00:33:08,000
and rock a sold out arena,
and you're part
677
00:33:08,042 --> 00:33:10,000
of the reason they're there.
678
00:33:11,458 --> 00:33:13,542
Like, you leave the ring, no
matter who wins, who loses,
679
00:33:13,625 --> 00:33:15,958
who cares, who remembers.
680
00:33:16,042 --> 00:33:17,417
And you're, like,
"Ooh, now what?
681
00:33:17,542 --> 00:33:18,375
Now what?
682
00:33:18,458 --> 00:33:19,500
Now what?
683
00:33:19,625 --> 00:33:21,083
Like, Oh, God, I got to get a
flight at 6:00 AM.
684
00:33:21,167 --> 00:33:23,333
Now what?"
685
00:33:23,417 --> 00:33:26,083
One time I heard Mick Jagger say
something, I can't understand
686
00:33:26,208 --> 00:33:29,375
people using drugs to get up for
a show.
687
00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:32,167
Now, I can understand taking
something to come down,
688
00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:34,708
and I know what he's talking
about,
689
00:33:37,542 --> 00:33:39,458
and that's where I wasn't always
making good decisions.
690
00:33:44,292 --> 00:33:48,083
Here comes The Bad Guy arriving
at another arena.
691
00:33:48,167 --> 00:33:50,542
I can hear Lex Luger's music.
692
00:33:50,625 --> 00:33:56,500
That means only one thing,
another night of WWE action.
693
00:33:56,542 --> 00:34:03,333
But right now, man-- right now,
chicos, I gotta go to work.
694
00:34:07,417 --> 00:34:10,208
On TV, I had this
really cool life,
695
00:34:11,708 --> 00:34:15,167
but then the low, the-the
696
00:34:15,250 --> 00:34:17,000
drop down, like, wow, now I
don't feel that--
697
00:34:17,125 --> 00:34:19,500
I don't feel that rush from the
audience, I don't feel that rush
698
00:34:19,583 --> 00:34:21,500
from the TV cameras.
Like, "Well, now what?
699
00:34:21,583 --> 00:34:22,875
Now what?
700
00:34:22,958 --> 00:34:24,000
You know, what do you got?
701
00:34:24,042 --> 00:34:25,208
What do you got?
702
00:34:25,292 --> 00:34:27,500
You know, I'm a big deal,
remember?"
703
00:34:27,583 --> 00:34:31,250
Have a good holiday season, man,
but be smart.
704
00:34:31,333 --> 00:34:33,667
Don't drink and drive or you
might have to suffer
705
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:36,625
the consequences.
706
00:34:36,708 --> 00:34:39,333
I went from thinking I wasn't
that important to thinking
707
00:34:39,417 --> 00:34:41,083
I was, kind of,
a really big deal.
708
00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:46,542
- I can't ever recall a time
where Scott was
709
00:34:46,625 --> 00:34:49,167
impaired at work.
710
00:34:49,208 --> 00:34:50,708
Where it was like, "Okay, wait a
minute, you know,
711
00:34:50,833 --> 00:34:52,375
we can't put him out there."
712
00:34:53,625 --> 00:34:56,417
Afterwards, seeing Scott
impaired?
713
00:34:56,542 --> 00:34:57,417
Sure.
714
00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:59,000
Absolutely, and Scott had his
demons.
715
00:34:59,083 --> 00:35:00,875
Scott had his demons
with alcohol.
716
00:35:02,458 --> 00:35:05,958
- In my case and some of the
guys I was hanging out with,
717
00:35:06,042 --> 00:35:07,625
we were taking it to the
next level.
718
00:35:09,542 --> 00:35:11,208
- And we ran hard, you know,
719
00:35:11,292 --> 00:35:12,375
we ran hard
720
00:35:13,917 --> 00:35:17,000
and it was every single night.
721
00:35:17,792 --> 00:35:22,667
- Scott wasn't always a mean
drunk, but probably over half
722
00:35:22,750 --> 00:35:27,375
the time, he would end up there
before the night was over.
723
00:35:27,458 --> 00:35:29,750
There's that fine line there
where it would crossover into,
724
00:35:29,833 --> 00:35:33,750
okay, it's-- we called him
captain redneck.
725
00:35:33,875 --> 00:35:35,417
Yeah.
726
00:35:36,708 --> 00:35:39,000
- We sat there and told
ourselves we only do this when
727
00:35:39,042 --> 00:35:41,000
we're on the road.
728
00:35:41,458 --> 00:35:43,333
This is not the way we're living
our real lives.
729
00:35:43,375 --> 00:35:45,333
We only do this stuff when we're
on the road.
730
00:35:45,417 --> 00:35:47,875
The only problem with that is,
we're on the road 250,
731
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,542
300 times a year.
732
00:35:49,667 --> 00:35:51,833
So if you think about it,
you're really doing it almost
733
00:35:51,917 --> 00:35:53,833
all the time.
734
00:35:55,875 --> 00:35:58,667
- He was supposed to call every
night, and he usually did,
735
00:35:58,708 --> 00:36:02,458
but as soon as he said hello,
I could tell whether he did had
736
00:36:02,542 --> 00:36:05,542
had a sip or not like from--
just from this voice I knew.
737
00:36:07,208 --> 00:36:08,750
And then I'd be upset at him.
738
00:36:09,625 --> 00:36:11,208
He tried really hard in the
beginning.
739
00:36:11,667 --> 00:36:14,333
We had everything,
we had every reason to be happy
740
00:36:14,375 --> 00:36:16,042
and to have a fairytale.
741
00:36:16,167 --> 00:36:20,500
Like our house, we built this
gorgeous house and we called it
742
00:36:20,542 --> 00:36:25,750
Halls' Enchanted Acres, but it
was not Halls' Enchanted Acres.
743
00:36:27,042 --> 00:36:28,917
You can't have a normal life
when you're pretending to be
744
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,750
somebody else that many days of
the month, you know.
745
00:36:32,875 --> 00:36:35,208
Like, it's just-- and I'm sure
there's some guys that can shut
746
00:36:35,292 --> 00:36:37,667
it off, but Scott just couldn't.
747
00:36:37,792 --> 00:36:38,750
He couldn't shut if off.
748
00:36:40,458 --> 00:36:43,625
He got so caught up in that
whole thing that he--
749
00:36:43,708 --> 00:36:46,667
the toothpick will be in his
mouth at home, the curl, the--
750
00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:48,958
you know, the whole thing, the
whole attitude at home
751
00:36:49,042 --> 00:36:50,083
and I'm like,
752
00:36:50,167 --> 00:36:52,333
"Dude, like, leave it at the
door."
753
00:36:59,625 --> 00:37:02,625
- I really felt a freedom when I
became another character.
754
00:37:02,708 --> 00:37:05,583
I got to be this other guy,
I got to be Razor,
755
00:37:06,917 --> 00:37:09,625
because Scott Hall maybe having
a lot of personal difficulties,
756
00:37:09,708 --> 00:37:11,833
but when Razor steps through
that curtain, man,
757
00:37:11,875 --> 00:37:12,917
he ain't got no problems.
758
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,167
His life is great.
759
00:37:14,208 --> 00:37:15,667
It's better than yours.
760
00:37:17,583 --> 00:37:21,917
- Once he became Razor Ramon and
he got so wrapped up into that,
761
00:37:22,833 --> 00:37:25,542
he tried.
He just couldn't do both.
762
00:37:26,792 --> 00:37:29,000
- I know when I was little I
would see him on TV.
763
00:37:29,042 --> 00:37:32,500
I wouldn't necessarily recognize
him because he just looked so
764
00:37:32,542 --> 00:37:35,500
different or he was acting so
different that I would kinda
765
00:37:35,542 --> 00:37:39,042
think that that was The Bad Guy
who took my dad away.
766
00:37:40,875 --> 00:37:45,000
- I'm the guy who thrives on
excitement.
767
00:37:45,083 --> 00:37:47,542
I live my life in the spotlight.
768
00:37:48,625 --> 00:37:49,958
- He would always call me Code,
big Code.
769
00:37:50,042 --> 00:37:51,500
He said, "Code, we're gonna
break the cycle.
770
00:37:51,667 --> 00:37:53,792
Me and you are gonna break the
cycle because I know better.
771
00:37:53,875 --> 00:37:56,000
My father did this to me and was
an alcoholic and would treat my
772
00:37:56,125 --> 00:37:57,958
mom bad and wasn't there for us.
773
00:37:58,042 --> 00:38:00,333
I'm never gonna do this to you,
and then me and you are gonna be
774
00:38:00,417 --> 00:38:02,458
best buds and you're not gonna
do that either."
775
00:38:04,167 --> 00:38:06,750
I think that he just grew up
around that and he soaked it all
776
00:38:06,833 --> 00:38:07,958
in, internalized it.
777
00:38:08,792 --> 00:38:10,708
He never really kinda fought
through it properly.
778
00:38:12,208 --> 00:38:13,708
- Say hi, dad.
779
00:38:13,792 --> 00:38:15,167
- Hi, dad.
780
00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:17,500
- When he would talk about his
relationship with his father,
781
00:38:17,583 --> 00:38:22,167
he just didn't feel he had one,
and I think it was hard for him
782
00:38:22,208 --> 00:38:25,458
to then have the blueprint for
what he was supposed to do
783
00:38:25,542 --> 00:38:27,583
for when anything went wrong.
784
00:38:27,708 --> 00:38:31,417
It was kinda just leave, turn to
the alcohol, or kind of one
785
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:34,333
thing goes wrong and it's over.
786
00:38:35,583 --> 00:38:37,000
- There were good things.
787
00:38:37,125 --> 00:38:40,042
It was just that there was more
bad things than good things
788
00:38:40,125 --> 00:38:41,333
because he was never there.
789
00:38:41,958 --> 00:38:42,750
Hi, daddy.
790
00:38:42,833 --> 00:38:44,917
We love you.
791
00:38:44,917 --> 00:38:46,000
Hurry home.
792
00:38:47,583 --> 00:38:49,583
He would always say, "I'm doing
what I'm doing for us."
793
00:38:49,667 --> 00:38:51,250
Where'd Daddy go today?
794
00:38:51,333 --> 00:38:52,792
- He's at the airport.
795
00:38:53,542 --> 00:38:56,167
- What you're doing for us is
destroying us.
796
00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:57,167
Stop.
797
00:38:57,292 --> 00:38:58,500
Like, stop.
798
00:38:59,292 --> 00:39:02,333
- It's a difficult place, and it
can be very, very dark.
799
00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:06,125
- I tried to tell him,
"Hey, look, man,
800
00:39:06,208 --> 00:39:08,375
you've got everything.
801
00:39:08,458 --> 00:39:10,500
Just don't blow it."
802
00:39:14,458 --> 00:39:20,250
- I'm the main man in the WWE
and you know it
803
00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:22,917
and everybody here knows it.
804
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:28,333
- At that time, the contracts
that Vince offered were
805
00:39:28,458 --> 00:39:31,500
opportunities,
no guaranteed money.
806
00:39:31,917 --> 00:39:35,250
I hope I don't get hurt and I
hope I get paid.
807
00:39:35,333 --> 00:39:38,625
I'd been working so hard for
Vince, you know, doing autograph
808
00:39:38,625 --> 00:39:40,958
signings at Walmart for free,
and you would go
809
00:39:41,042 --> 00:39:44,083
because if you don't,
then screw you.
810
00:39:44,167 --> 00:39:45,417
You- do it.
811
00:39:46,875 --> 00:39:49,167
- Scott was looking for less
work, a better schedule,
812
00:39:50,375 --> 00:39:55,125
a schedule that, you know,
wasn't as hectic as our schedule
813
00:39:55,208 --> 00:39:57,000
was and guaranteed money.
814
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:59,167
- I remember going to Vince and
asking him,
815
00:39:59,208 --> 00:40:02,542
"My pay has plateaued and I'm
wondering what I need to do to
816
00:40:02,625 --> 00:40:04,792
make that big money."
817
00:40:05,208 --> 00:40:07,167
And we couldn't really come to
any kind of agreement,
818
00:40:07,292 --> 00:40:08,792
and I ended up giving my notice.
819
00:40:09,708 --> 00:40:11,042
- I had worked with Scott.
820
00:40:11,208 --> 00:40:12,542
I knew Scott, so I was very well
aware of him, but I was
821
00:40:12,625 --> 00:40:14,875
surprised that he was available.
822
00:40:14,958 --> 00:40:16,708
He was a very prominent
character in WWE at the time.
823
00:40:17,708 --> 00:40:20,750
And I met with Scott and said,
"Okay, we're gonna do a deal."
824
00:40:21,708 --> 00:40:27,250
- You know, it was guaranteed
$1.2 million for like 120 days.
825
00:40:27,333 --> 00:40:29,917
120 days for 1.2.
826
00:40:30,333 --> 00:40:33,083
Guys were making that money
maybe for Vince, but you were
827
00:40:33,167 --> 00:40:35,208
working 300 days for it.
828
00:40:36,083 --> 00:40:36,917
We're done.
829
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,333
Cut.
830
00:40:39,167 --> 00:40:43,542
- We were not in a position to
really offer more.
831
00:40:43,708 --> 00:40:47,000
We were not in a position to go
back and say,
832
00:40:47,042 --> 00:40:51,458
"Hey, Scott, we can match that
or we can do the same thing."
833
00:40:55,125 --> 00:40:58,917
- I remember walking to the ring
in Madison Square Garden that
834
00:40:59,042 --> 00:41:00,292
night, the fans going,
"You sold out."
835
00:41:00,375 --> 00:41:02,042
And I'm going,
"You're right, I did."
836
00:41:02,125 --> 00:41:04,333
[fan yells "You sold out"]
837
00:41:04,375 --> 00:41:05,833
- I felt like I sold out.
838
00:41:05,958 --> 00:41:08,875
I wanted that guaranteed money
to secure my kids' future.
839
00:41:11,417 --> 00:41:15,958
For years and years, my tagline
was, "Say hello to The Bad Guy."
840
00:41:17,125 --> 00:41:20,000
And I remember getting the
microphone in the Garden that
841
00:41:20,042 --> 00:41:25,375
night and going, "Say goodbye to
The Bad Guy."
842
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:31,208
[fans heckling]
843
00:41:31,292 --> 00:41:35,542
I mean, I felt like,
"Wow, chapter completed.
844
00:41:35,625 --> 00:41:37,333
This chapter is done.
845
00:41:37,375 --> 00:41:38,667
Now I'm gonna go to WCW
846
00:41:38,708 --> 00:41:40,542
and see what's it lay wait
for me there."
847
00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:49,417
- Huge WWE Superstars going to
WCW was still somewhat novel
848
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,208
when Scott Hall walked
in the door.
849
00:41:52,708 --> 00:41:54,250
- Well, what the hell?
850
00:41:54,333 --> 00:41:55,167
Wait a minute.
851
00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:56,667
- Somebody give me a mic.
852
00:41:56,792 --> 00:42:00,333
- So, the idea was, let's have
this guy just show up on TV
853
00:42:00,375 --> 00:42:01,917
in the crowd.
854
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:10,542
- You know who I am, but you
don't know why I'm here.
855
00:42:11,167 --> 00:42:16,167
People thought Vince sent us
there to crush WCW, and Bischoff
856
00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:19,667
was on board with that concept
and we ran with it.
857
00:42:20,125 --> 00:42:24,583
You want a war,
you're gonna get one.
858
00:42:25,375 --> 00:42:27,458
- WWE is invading WCW.
859
00:42:27,542 --> 00:42:29,458
Razor Ramon just walked
into Monday Nitro.
860
00:42:29,542 --> 00:42:30,958
This is insane.
861
00:42:32,708 --> 00:42:36,167
- Shortly thereafter, Kevin Nash
walks through the door.
862
00:42:36,208 --> 00:42:38,833
- This is where the big boys
play, huh?
863
00:42:39,208 --> 00:42:41,875
- So, now you have these two
guys who had just been very
864
00:42:41,958 --> 00:42:47,792
in pretty prominent stories in
WWE on WCW television.
865
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,875
- We're not Diesel, we're not
Razor, like we're The Outsiders.
866
00:42:52,875 --> 00:42:54,708
We're Hall and Nash.
867
00:42:55,208 --> 00:43:00,083
- The Outsiders.
868
00:43:01,042 --> 00:43:05,083
- Scott was a major, major part
of me getting back on my feet.
869
00:43:05,792 --> 00:43:08,292
I kind of saw what he was doing.
870
00:43:08,375 --> 00:43:10,750
And he was Razor Ramon
turning into Scott Hall.
871
00:43:10,833 --> 00:43:12,000
And damn, I could do that too.
872
00:43:13,458 --> 00:43:18,833
All this crap in the ring
represents these fans out here.
873
00:43:18,958 --> 00:43:24,250
As far as I'm concerned,
you fans can stick it, brother.
874
00:43:24,333 --> 00:43:29,083
You know, I can go from Hulk
Hogan into the other side of me,
875
00:43:29,208 --> 00:43:33,167
the dark side of my personality,
and make that work, you know.
876
00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:37,875
This right here is the future
of wrestling.
877
00:43:37,958 --> 00:43:43,792
You can call this the New World
Order of Wrestling, brother.
878
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:50,250
- The idea of bringing in a
group that would come in to try
879
00:43:50,333 --> 00:43:54,792
to take control, it's the
essence of a story of anarchy.
880
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,000
Wow, cool.
881
00:43:59,083 --> 00:44:00,792
Yeah, we can make that work.
882
00:44:03,333 --> 00:44:05,375
- The nWo.
883
00:44:05,458 --> 00:44:09,000
- Hogan, Hall, and Nash,
they're going after everybody.
884
00:44:09,083 --> 00:44:11,667
Oh, no.
885
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:13,542
They are spray painting him.
886
00:44:13,625 --> 00:44:16,750
This is disgusting.
887
00:44:17,583 --> 00:44:21,417
- The black and white, you know,
the headbands, the kind of urban
888
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:27,583
vibe that became the trademark
for nWo, that was Scott Hall.
889
00:44:27,958 --> 00:44:31,167
- I'd like to say a little word
to all the WCW wrestlers.
890
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:34,375
You know, guys,
it's only business.
891
00:44:34,917 --> 00:44:39,167
- Scott Hall was so cool that he
made Hulk Hogan cool.
892
00:44:39,667 --> 00:44:42,333
- Well, you know, brothers,
Hollywood,
893
00:44:42,375 --> 00:44:46,417
the nWo is on a roll, brah.
894
00:44:47,083 --> 00:44:51,583
Just for us to come out and have
Scott come out sliding on out
895
00:44:51,667 --> 00:44:56,542
and Kevin doing the wolf pack
thing and me playing the belt.
896
00:44:57,042 --> 00:44:59,250
We looked like we didn't have a
care in the world.
897
00:44:59,708 --> 00:45:03,292
Here's the nWo.
898
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:05,000
We weren't afraid to get beat
up.
899
00:45:05,042 --> 00:45:06,042
"Are you gonna beat us up?"
900
00:45:06,125 --> 00:45:08,042
Scott, "Ooh, we're scared," you
know.
901
00:45:08,167 --> 00:45:11,542
And he just set the tone that
just everything he did was so
902
00:45:11,667 --> 00:45:12,667
spot on.
903
00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:14,750
It was so smooth.
904
00:45:14,833 --> 00:45:16,417
It was easy to follow.
905
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:17,833
When somebody just glides in the
room, it's easy to follow in
906
00:45:17,875 --> 00:45:20,000
there once they laid the red
carpet out for you.
907
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,958
- When I went and became part of
the nWo, it was at a whole
908
00:45:24,042 --> 00:45:26,750
different level of notoriety.
909
00:45:27,375 --> 00:45:29,708
They wouldn't know about any
other thing on wrestling, but
910
00:45:29,792 --> 00:45:31,208
they knew what nWo was.
911
00:45:31,833 --> 00:45:33,333
We felt like the Beatles or the
Rolling Stones
912
00:45:33,458 --> 00:45:35,000
or something like that.
913
00:45:35,083 --> 00:45:36,542
- We changed the world, man.
914
00:45:36,667 --> 00:45:40,583
We started to take away people
from Monday Night Football.
915
00:45:41,458 --> 00:45:47,625
- Everybody knows the nWo is the
reason for the success
916
00:45:47,708 --> 00:45:49,000
of Monday Nitro.
917
00:45:50,208 --> 00:45:53,292
- The Outsiders and the nWo,
and we had the Hall
918
00:45:53,375 --> 00:45:55,083
and Nash marketability.
919
00:45:55,958 --> 00:45:58,917
- It's one of the coolest, most
memorable things
920
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,792
in wrestling history.
921
00:46:00,875 --> 00:46:03,000
Scott Hall was the focal point
of it.
922
00:46:04,375 --> 00:46:08,167
Hulk Hogan may have been the
bigger name, Kevin Nash may have
923
00:46:08,208 --> 00:46:12,708
been the bigger guy, but Scott
Hall was the heart and soul
924
00:46:12,792 --> 00:46:13,917
of the nWo.
925
00:46:17,708 --> 00:46:26,667
- All is well in the nWo because
everybody knows when you're nWo,
926
00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:31,208
you're nWo for life.
927
00:46:33,875 --> 00:46:36,250
- The nWo was getting over
so well.
928
00:46:36,333 --> 00:46:38,542
It was so cool to be a part
of it.
929
00:46:38,542 --> 00:46:40,250
And the cheddar was sweet.
930
00:46:40,375 --> 00:46:44,583
I mean, Turner paid great and I
was on the road a lot less now,
931
00:46:44,667 --> 00:46:46,208
so now I'm home more.
932
00:46:46,917 --> 00:46:48,208
- I got to be really spoiled.
933
00:46:48,292 --> 00:46:50,125
And I asked for a pony
[chuckles]
934
00:46:50,208 --> 00:46:52,917
and I got one for Christmas and
my birthday that year.
935
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,000
And then my dad built a barn
next to our house.
936
00:46:55,083 --> 00:46:58,542
So, a lot of, um, my favorite
memories are just us
937
00:46:58,667 --> 00:46:59,958
at the barn every day.
938
00:47:01,792 --> 00:47:03,833
- I loved the father part,
but the husband part wasn't
939
00:47:03,958 --> 00:47:05,375
working out too good at all.
940
00:47:07,208 --> 00:47:08,917
We're not getting along that
good, so I'm almost wishing
941
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,250
I was on the road.
942
00:47:11,792 --> 00:47:14,375
Wanted to be medicated and stuff
started to seem
943
00:47:14,458 --> 00:47:15,375
like a pretty good idea.
944
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,250
At that time, a lot of pills
were being passed
945
00:47:19,333 --> 00:47:20,542
around in bars.
946
00:47:20,625 --> 00:47:21,875
Like, guys would go,
947
00:47:21,958 --> 00:47:23,542
"Here, man. Canadian Valium,
here, take this."
948
00:47:23,542 --> 00:47:25,250
And it was like, "Okay."
949
00:47:26,042 --> 00:47:28,500
And that's a lethal combination.
950
00:47:28,542 --> 00:47:30,917
You know, downers and booze,
a lot of guys are dead
951
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,125
because of that.
952
00:47:33,542 --> 00:47:35,667
- Big Kev and I could drink a
pitcher of beer, a couple of
953
00:47:35,708 --> 00:47:38,417
pitchers of beer, but, you know,
if Kev and I walked away,
954
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:41,000
Scott would keep going
and never stop.
955
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,500
He didn't do anything halfway.
956
00:47:43,542 --> 00:47:47,208
And so, you know, there were
situations where he would show
957
00:47:47,292 --> 00:47:50,542
up, where it might not be
best to let him talk.
958
00:47:51,625 --> 00:47:53,417
- Backstage, my friend.
959
00:47:54,417 --> 00:47:55,833
You go back.
960
00:47:55,917 --> 00:47:57,250
We'll take care of business.
961
00:47:58,042 --> 00:47:59,833
- His marriage went south.
962
00:47:59,958 --> 00:48:02,792
He just had, like, that snowball
effect of things that just kind
963
00:48:02,875 --> 00:48:06,000
of turned his life around, and,
you know,
964
00:48:06,083 --> 00:48:08,333
he just couldn't pull the
nose up.
965
00:48:08,417 --> 00:48:11,500
You know, I'd talk and talk and
talk and talk to him.
966
00:48:11,625 --> 00:48:13,917
You know, it's just,
967
00:48:16,458 --> 00:48:21,417
"I can't want it more than-than
you. It just doesn't work."
968
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:23,958
- I had a lot of people were
offering to help me.
969
00:48:24,042 --> 00:48:26,625
I was just-
had a problem accepting help.
970
00:48:26,708 --> 00:48:28,167
You know, it meant that I'm weak
or something's wrong with me,
971
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:32,333
you know, or-or asking for help
is impossible.
972
00:48:32,417 --> 00:48:35,125
But then accepting help that's
already offered
973
00:48:35,250 --> 00:48:37,417
was really tough for me too.
974
00:48:38,667 --> 00:48:42,875
- When Scott first returned to
WCW, it was May 27th, 1996.
975
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,000
I only remember it because that
was my birthday.
976
00:48:45,708 --> 00:48:51,792
Fast forward now a year and a
half, nWo is on fire, making
977
00:48:51,875 --> 00:48:57,000
money hand over fist, selling
out arenas all over the world.
978
00:48:57,042 --> 00:48:58,708
Things are good.
979
00:49:00,167 --> 00:49:02,500
Now, I'm in a situation where I
have to decide whether to fire
980
00:49:02,625 --> 00:49:05,833
him or whether to just take him
off TV for six months or three
981
00:49:05,875 --> 00:49:07,917
months and get him into
treatment.
982
00:49:07,917 --> 00:49:09,250
It's all gonna hurt.
983
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:13,625
Every one of those choices has a
price tag.
984
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:19,833
- Hey, yo.
985
00:49:20,417 --> 00:49:27,958
Tonight, the spectrum looks just
too sweet.
986
00:49:28,042 --> 00:49:32,542
[crowd yells "Too sweet"]
987
00:49:32,625 --> 00:49:34,625
- Whether you're being booed or
cheered, as long as they're
988
00:49:34,708 --> 00:49:38,083
paying attention, it was the
most intoxicating thing
989
00:49:38,167 --> 00:49:41,167
I've ever come across and
I've come across a few.
990
00:49:42,125 --> 00:49:44,625
Then the problem is you gotta go
back through,
991
00:49:44,708 --> 00:49:45,667
re-enter the real world.
992
00:49:47,542 --> 00:49:51,583
- When the nWo really got hot is
when things started
993
00:49:51,667 --> 00:49:52,667
to catch up with him.
994
00:49:54,417 --> 00:49:56,583
- If something ever goes wrong,
Scott Hall is usually right
995
00:49:56,708 --> 00:49:58,292
in the thick of it.
996
00:49:58,875 --> 00:50:00,708
- How many drunks have you seen
in your life that think they're
997
00:50:00,792 --> 00:50:02,750
really, really funny,
but everybody around them
998
00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:04,958
wants to hit them in the head
with a beer bottle?
999
00:50:05,042 --> 00:50:06,500
That was Scott.
1000
00:50:06,583 --> 00:50:08,167
He thought he was being funny,
he thought he was being
1001
00:50:08,250 --> 00:50:09,667
entertaining, but he really
wasn't.
1002
00:50:09,708 --> 00:50:11,083
He was being obnoxious.
1003
00:50:12,667 --> 00:50:18,250
- As soon as he started with the
cocaine, then I didn't travel
1004
00:50:18,333 --> 00:50:24,167
with him 'cause I knew that at
point, I could lose my contract.
1005
00:50:25,667 --> 00:50:27,833
- It got to the point where we
made a conscious decision
1006
00:50:27,875 --> 00:50:29,208
not to drink with him.
1007
00:50:29,958 --> 00:50:32,667
The problem was when he was on
his own where he kinda like got
1008
00:50:32,708 --> 00:50:35,542
away from us, he'd take that
little bit of a walk on the wild
1009
00:50:35,625 --> 00:50:39,167
side and then you never knew
where he was gonna end up
1010
00:50:39,250 --> 00:50:40,583
or who you were gonna hear from.
1011
00:50:43,625 --> 00:50:46,292
- I had our corporate attorneys
call him and say,
1012
00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:49,167
"Look, dude, you--
we'll put you in treatment.
1013
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:50,917
We'll-we'll-we'll cover it, but
you got--
1014
00:50:51,042 --> 00:50:52,625
you gotta get into treatment."
1015
00:50:54,333 --> 00:50:57,500
- I was kinda like Scott's
babysitter in a way.
1016
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:02,083
They put him in rehab and when
he was done with his 28 days,
1017
00:51:03,542 --> 00:51:07,958
I pick him up and, like, he
looks great, he's all refreshed
1018
00:51:08,042 --> 00:51:09,583
and I'm thinking,
1019
00:51:09,708 --> 00:51:11,500
"Oh, good. Maybe he's not gonna
wanna stop at the liquor store."
1020
00:51:11,583 --> 00:51:13,708
But we drive by the liquor store
he goes, "Stop here.
1021
00:51:13,833 --> 00:51:15,750
I'm getting-- " you know, and he
made me stop
1022
00:51:15,833 --> 00:51:17,208
and he got that 12-pack.
1023
00:51:18,750 --> 00:51:20,667
He started drinking again
immediately
1024
00:51:20,708 --> 00:51:21,625
after he got out of there.
1025
00:51:23,792 --> 00:51:26,125
- It was not good.
1026
00:51:28,375 --> 00:51:31,750
- He's medicating himself
as addicts do.
1027
00:51:31,875 --> 00:51:33,667
Whatever your thing is,
you're-you're medicating
1028
00:51:33,708 --> 00:51:34,750
to get through the day.
1029
00:51:36,375 --> 00:51:37,667
- I'm not asking for any
sympathy, but I don't--
1030
00:51:37,792 --> 00:51:40,292
like I said, I'm one of them
guys who wasn't that keen on
1031
00:51:40,375 --> 00:51:43,167
himself, that's why I'm-- I
think I embraced wrestling from
1032
00:51:43,208 --> 00:51:44,875
the beginning anyway.
1033
00:51:44,958 --> 00:51:47,458
It was an opportunity to be
somebody else 'cause I wasn't
1034
00:51:47,542 --> 00:51:50,208
that thrilled about the guy
that I was.
1035
00:51:50,333 --> 00:51:51,833
Of course, a lot of people
didn't know.
1036
00:51:51,917 --> 00:51:55,208
Then I had these dark secrets
I felt like I was hiding.
1037
00:51:56,542 --> 00:51:58,208
Then there was part of me
thinking, you know, I had done
1038
00:51:58,292 --> 00:51:59,667
some bad things these people
don't know about.
1039
00:51:59,750 --> 00:52:01,458
I'm not a good--
I'm a bad person.
1040
00:52:01,542 --> 00:52:03,458
I don't deserve this and it's
all a sham and they're gonna
1041
00:52:03,542 --> 00:52:05,958
catch me and, you know, so, you
know, a lot of selfish
1042
00:52:06,042 --> 00:52:09,542
destructive thought started to
creep into situations.
1043
00:52:13,042 --> 00:52:16,333
- I flew in from Atlanta with
Eric and Scott picked us up
1044
00:52:16,333 --> 00:52:18,333
and then we out.
1045
00:52:18,708 --> 00:52:22,542
- And I remember I'm sitting in
the back seat and so unsolicited
1046
00:52:22,625 --> 00:52:26,500
he turned around and started
telling me the story of what
1047
00:52:26,625 --> 00:52:29,833
happened the night when
he was a bouncer.
1048
00:52:29,917 --> 00:52:32,292
I was taken back, I didn't know
how to react to it.
1049
00:52:32,375 --> 00:52:34,333
I didn't wanna ask any questions
'cause I--
1050
00:52:34,458 --> 00:52:37,917
it-it was awkward for me.
1051
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,083
And Scott, you know, went into
great detail and he said,
1052
00:52:43,167 --> 00:52:44,208
"Kev, Kev, let's go over there.
1053
00:52:44,292 --> 00:52:46,125
Let's go over there."
1054
00:52:46,208 --> 00:52:51,208
So we ended up driving over to
the club, it was a strip club,
1055
00:52:52,792 --> 00:52:55,708
literally walking me through
the event.
1056
00:52:56,583 --> 00:53:01,542
And to me, that was the moment
when I realized the demon showed
1057
00:53:01,625 --> 00:53:04,875
it's true face and what was
really eating Scott alive.
1058
00:53:06,417 --> 00:53:09,917
- Scott was just a haunted
person.
1059
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,000
If we were all together, it was
a little bit easier,
1060
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,750
but if you were with Scott one
on one, you know,
1061
00:53:16,833 --> 00:53:20,875
he would start to unload,
and man it was tough.
1062
00:53:20,958 --> 00:53:25,417
You know, because you really
felt for him, and you just-
1063
00:53:25,542 --> 00:53:27,625
you could feel there's
no way to help.
1064
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:35,125
- Scott was very religious and,
you know, one of the 10
1065
00:53:35,208 --> 00:53:37,542
commandments are thou
shall not kill.
1066
00:53:37,667 --> 00:53:42,833
So, Scott always felt that he
wasn't going to go to heaven,
1067
00:53:42,875 --> 00:53:45,000
you know, because he killed
somebody.
1068
00:53:47,583 --> 00:53:49,958
- I felt like I had a lot of
people fooled that I was this
1069
00:53:50,042 --> 00:53:53,042
real nice guy, but really I'm
not, so when I go to a dark
1070
00:53:53,125 --> 00:53:54,917
place, it's real dark.
1071
00:53:56,875 --> 00:54:00,500
- I understood it, and sometimes
when you understand something,
1072
00:54:00,542 --> 00:54:04,708
it's a little harder to be just
cut and dry about it, kind of,
1073
00:54:04,833 --> 00:54:08,167
can be a little empathetic and I
tried to be as best as we could.
1074
00:54:08,250 --> 00:54:11,333
You try to make it work,
you just have to.
1075
00:54:11,375 --> 00:54:13,167
And we tried real hard
to make it work,
1076
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:14,542
but it was a constant challenge.
1077
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,083
- It got to the point for me
where my fake life was becoming
1078
00:54:19,167 --> 00:54:21,708
really unsatisfying as well.
1079
00:54:21,792 --> 00:54:24,375
It just wasn't fun for me and so
I didn't care.
1080
00:54:24,458 --> 00:54:25,500
I know that's really immature,
but that's how
1081
00:54:25,583 --> 00:54:26,875
I looked at it then.
1082
00:54:28,625 --> 00:54:30,292
I remember calling the office
going, "Um, I quit."
1083
00:54:36,792 --> 00:54:40,125
- This is a no disqualification
three-way dance
1084
00:54:40,125 --> 00:54:42,000
and Scott Hall is going
for the gold.
1085
00:54:42,958 --> 00:54:45,292
- The only thing really keeping
me going for a lot of years
1086
00:54:45,375 --> 00:54:48,542
is that feeling I got in
front of an audience that,
1087
00:54:48,667 --> 00:54:50,708
you know, that-that rush when
I go through the crowd and,
1088
00:54:50,792 --> 00:54:52,833
you know, getting to perform.
1089
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:55,708
- Hall's gonna win it.
1090
00:54:57,250 --> 00:54:58,292
- So, when you take that away
from me or when that becomes
1091
00:54:58,375 --> 00:55:00,417
unsatisfying, it's even worse.
1092
00:55:01,458 --> 00:55:04,000
So now what?
1093
00:55:04,667 --> 00:55:06,083
I'll take my ball
and go home.
1094
00:55:07,458 --> 00:55:11,333
- And now the powerbomb coming
up on Scott Hall.
1095
00:55:11,375 --> 00:55:12,833
Getting way up in the air.
1096
00:55:12,875 --> 00:55:13,750
Drives him down.
1097
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,125
One, two, three.
1098
00:55:23,917 --> 00:55:26,375
- He really went off the deep
end when there was lots of
1099
00:55:26,458 --> 00:55:29,875
arrests and accidents and
he'd make the local news.
1100
00:55:31,375 --> 00:55:32,458
- 911 what's your emergency.
1101
00:55:32,542 --> 00:55:33,542
- Last name would be Hall.
1102
00:55:33,625 --> 00:55:35,083
First name's Scott.
1103
00:55:35,208 --> 00:55:38,167
Extremely impaired drinking
and attempting to possibly drink
1104
00:55:38,250 --> 00:55:39,708
himself to death.
1105
00:55:40,917 --> 00:55:43,750
- It all led to a guy who was
just completely lost.
1106
00:55:45,333 --> 00:55:48,917
And it basically remained that
way all the way up until his
1107
00:55:49,042 --> 00:55:54,083
return to WWE when they did the
nWo Invasion angle
1108
00:55:54,167 --> 00:55:56,208
the other direction.
1109
00:55:56,208 --> 00:55:58,417
[crowd cheering]
1110
00:55:58,500 --> 00:55:59,625
- Hall and Nash-
1111
00:55:59,750 --> 00:56:00,333
- Oh, no.
1112
00:56:00,458 --> 00:56:01,958
- and Hogan.
1113
00:56:02,042 --> 00:56:04,500
- Vince called me at home and it
was a cool moment for me,
1114
00:56:04,583 --> 00:56:06,917
Vince McMahon calling me and
asking me to come back and-
1115
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,542
and do business.
1116
00:56:09,625 --> 00:56:12,542
I love this business, anyway,
but when you can, you know,
1117
00:56:12,667 --> 00:56:14,250
work with, you know, close
friends of yours, it's-
1118
00:56:14,333 --> 00:56:17,833
it's even more rewarding, you
know, and it's a blast and we're
1119
00:56:17,917 --> 00:56:22,292
good at causing trouble, so we
came up here to cause trouble.
1120
00:56:22,375 --> 00:56:26,083
At this point, I'm struggling
really hard to be a good boy.
1121
00:56:26,458 --> 00:56:28,167
I feel great today.
1122
00:56:28,250 --> 00:56:29,333
It's a shame the match isn't
today.
1123
00:56:29,417 --> 00:56:31,625
I don't know about Sunday.
1124
00:56:31,708 --> 00:56:36,083
I was really struggling 'cause I
had been living really crazy
1125
00:56:36,208 --> 00:56:38,792
lifestyle, but I'm-I'm
treasuring my opportunity there,
1126
00:56:38,875 --> 00:56:40,833
so I'm trying to take
advantage of it.
1127
00:56:40,917 --> 00:56:42,667
- Oh, my.
1128
00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:43,542
Oh, what a stunner.
1129
00:56:43,625 --> 00:56:45,083
A WrestleMania stunner.
1130
00:56:45,167 --> 00:56:46,667
A Texas stunner.
1131
00:56:46,708 --> 00:56:47,167
- Wait.
1132
00:56:47,208 --> 00:56:48,333
- It's over.
1133
00:56:48,417 --> 00:56:51,083
Stone Cold has beaten Scott
Hall.
1134
00:56:52,875 --> 00:56:56,500
- But that was just kind of a
blur of pills and booze
1135
00:56:57,042 --> 00:56:58,667
and, you know, they called me
and said,
1136
00:56:58,750 --> 00:57:01,583
"Hey, we've got to talk
about your termination."
1137
00:57:04,125 --> 00:57:05,708
I just didn't last long at all.
1138
00:57:08,292 --> 00:57:12,875
- I think Scott really wanted to
get along and Scott really
1139
00:57:12,958 --> 00:57:18,542
wanted to do right, but I also
don't believe that Scott had
1140
00:57:18,625 --> 00:57:20,708
control of his demons
1141
00:57:21,875 --> 00:57:25,083
- He became a bit of a pariah.
1142
00:57:25,167 --> 00:57:29,917
This business is hard enough and
dangerous enough stone-sober,
1143
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,875
concentrating as hard as humanly
possibly.
1144
00:57:32,875 --> 00:57:36,333
Imagine how much more dangerous
it is when you add pills
1145
00:57:36,458 --> 00:57:37,625
and alcohol to the mix.
1146
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,000
- It's hard, you know,
because Scott had some really
1147
00:57:43,292 --> 00:57:45,500
tough times, you know.
1148
00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:49,833
And, uh, I got some crazy phone
calls over the years with him
1149
00:57:49,875 --> 00:57:53,583
needing some help in some of the
situations he was in.
1150
00:57:53,667 --> 00:57:54,667
- 911, what's your emergency?
1151
00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:56,375
- Are you familiar with Scott
Hall?
1152
00:57:56,458 --> 00:57:57,667
He's committing suicide.
1153
00:57:57,708 --> 00:58:01,917
He's taken a handful of
Levetira.
1154
00:58:03,542 --> 00:58:05,167
- There's just so many things
that happened.
1155
00:58:05,208 --> 00:58:07,042
Like I've tried to block a lot
of them out 'cause I don't wanna
1156
00:58:07,042 --> 00:58:10,667
remember, but just more verbally
than physically, just putting me
1157
00:58:10,750 --> 00:58:16,958
down and everything like that
and-
1158
00:58:17,042 --> 00:58:19,625
he couldn't believe I was
divorcing him.
1159
00:58:21,458 --> 00:58:23,125
He wrote this letter.
1160
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:27,000
It says, "Baby, please don't
leave.
1161
00:58:27,083 --> 00:58:31,917
I'm sorry for my actions.
Let's spend time together.
1162
00:58:32,583 --> 00:58:34,042
Let's go to church together.
1163
00:58:34,125 --> 00:58:36,667
Let's talk to someone and
work out our problems.
1164
00:58:37,708 --> 00:58:39,792
Let's not give up."
1165
00:58:41,458 --> 00:58:42,500
I don't know if I can't finish
this.
1166
00:58:42,583 --> 00:58:44,333
"I'm sorry for saying ugly
things.
1167
00:58:44,375 --> 00:58:46,458
I love you.
1168
00:58:46,542 --> 00:58:47,417
And only you.
1169
00:58:47,542 --> 00:58:49,083
I don't want to lose you again."
1170
00:58:51,417 --> 00:58:53,958
I realized I can't save him.
1171
00:58:54,042 --> 00:58:57,708
And I had to save myself
and the kids.
1172
00:58:59,875 --> 00:59:01,958
- I mean, I think he used to
drink the vodka because he
1173
00:59:02,042 --> 00:59:03,875
always kind of fancied himself,
you know, a bodybuilder,
1174
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,875
you know, it's zero calories,
but I mean, he was drinking the
1175
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,833
cheapest, like, plastic bottles,
like, two or three a day, and he
1176
00:59:09,917 --> 00:59:11,500
really aged at light speed,
the things that
1177
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:12,583
he was doing to himself.
1178
00:59:15,708 --> 00:59:18,083
- The Outsiders,
they do whatever the hell
1179
00:59:18,167 --> 00:59:19,083
they want, apparently.
1180
00:59:19,167 --> 00:59:20,333
- What's going on here?
1181
00:59:20,333 --> 00:59:21,500
- Hey, yo.
1182
00:59:21,542 --> 00:59:22,917
- They were scheduled for the
main event.
1183
00:59:23,042 --> 00:59:24,833
- Well, that's what the people
wanted to hear, obviously.
1184
00:59:25,542 --> 00:59:28,833
- I had, like, some friends that
weren't allowed to come over,
1185
00:59:28,875 --> 00:59:31,083
couldn't have sleepovers because
their parents knew.
1186
00:59:31,167 --> 00:59:33,333
And there was a time that one of
my friends was in the car when
1187
00:59:33,375 --> 00:59:34,875
we got into a car accident.
1188
00:59:34,958 --> 00:59:37,083
And I just remember her
screaming and crying
1189
00:59:37,167 --> 00:59:38,333
on the edge of the door.
1190
00:59:38,375 --> 00:59:39,667
She was so scared.
1191
00:59:39,708 --> 00:59:41,125
I was just kind of used to it at
that point.
1192
00:59:41,208 --> 00:59:44,875
You know, I knew-- I knew we'd
be okay, um, because usually he
1193
00:59:44,958 --> 00:59:47,542
was just kind of out of it--
1194
00:59:47,667 --> 00:59:50,000
out of it and would swerve off
the road.
1195
00:59:50,042 --> 00:59:53,125
But, um, that was the first time
I had a friend with me.
1196
00:59:56,417 --> 01:00:01,083
- When Scott started to really
fall into this personal
1197
01:00:01,167 --> 01:00:05,875
darkness, the biggest problem
with that for anybody that has
1198
01:00:05,958 --> 01:00:11,500
to suffer through it is the
inability to change a person.
1199
01:00:11,583 --> 01:00:13,292
Um, nobody's going to change
anybody.
1200
01:00:13,375 --> 01:00:15,500
You can pray.
1201
01:00:15,583 --> 01:00:16,667
You can talk.
1202
01:00:16,792 --> 01:00:19,333
I mean, I-I made personal trips
down.
1203
01:00:20,042 --> 01:00:23,875
But it takes the person to want
that real change and to pull
1204
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,208
themselves out of that dark
place to-to make it happen.
1205
01:00:27,292 --> 01:00:32,250
So it was- that was, uh, you
know, that's where the ugliness
1206
01:00:32,375 --> 01:00:38,333
of addiction can turn pride into
shame very, very quickly,
1207
01:00:38,375 --> 01:00:39,333
and that happened.
1208
01:00:40,125 --> 01:00:43,167
[crowd cheers]
1209
01:00:43,250 --> 01:00:46,917
- He broke down tears, actually,
kind of, admitted that,
1210
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,333
you know, that he had sometimes
hopes that somebody would
1211
01:00:49,417 --> 01:00:50,292
take him out of his misery.
1212
01:00:52,042 --> 01:00:54,208
He was looking for someone to
kill him sometimes.
1213
01:01:01,833 --> 01:01:04,417
- Scott Hall
1214
01:01:04,542 --> 01:01:07,833
[crowd chants "Razor"]
1215
01:01:07,917 --> 01:01:09,542
- Scott Hall was one of the big
1216
01:01:09,625 --> 01:01:11,667
figures in professional
wrestling.
1217
01:01:12,667 --> 01:01:16,417
He was one of those guys who,
kind of, cut through the clutter
1218
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:20,708
and-and transcended wrestling
into the mainstream.
1219
01:01:22,375 --> 01:01:25,417
And then this video kind of
starts making its way
1220
01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:26,792
around the internet.
1221
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,000
And everybody was looking at it
and saying,
1222
01:01:32,083 --> 01:01:33,833
"What happened to Scott Hall?
1223
01:01:33,917 --> 01:01:37,125
What happened to Razor Ramon,
this charismatic figure,
1224
01:01:37,208 --> 01:01:41,708
this guy who was in such great
shape, this incredible hulking
1225
01:01:41,792 --> 01:01:46,000
physical presence, who had this
swagger, dashing,
1226
01:01:46,042 --> 01:01:49,250
and he's-he's
broken down?"
1227
01:01:50,583 --> 01:01:52,458
And it's worse than that.
1228
01:01:52,708 --> 01:01:56,083
He seems to be as if he's being
exploited.
1229
01:01:56,833 --> 01:01:59,708
And his condition is being
exploited for the crowd.
1230
01:01:59,833 --> 01:02:02,500
[crowd boos]
1231
01:02:02,542 --> 01:02:05,000
And it's an awful thing to
watch.
1232
01:02:06,792 --> 01:02:08,333
- You know, I don't want to die.
1233
01:02:08,375 --> 01:02:10,875
But like, I'm not-
I'm not afraid to.
1234
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,000
'Cause what's left, man?
1235
01:02:14,042 --> 01:02:16,375
What do you do when they quit
chanting your name?
1236
01:02:17,250 --> 01:02:20,542
- Why would Scott Hall in that
condition want to be
1237
01:02:20,625 --> 01:02:22,917
profiled by ESPN?
1238
01:02:23,625 --> 01:02:27,292
He wanted, I think, at some
level, an opportunity to let
1239
01:02:27,417 --> 01:02:32,292
people know you're suffering and
to give people an opportunity to
1240
01:02:32,375 --> 01:02:38,167
help you, although he had been
being helped by WWE.
1241
01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:40,958
- Without giving too many
particulars, it's in the six
1242
01:02:41,042 --> 01:02:44,875
figures of how much money we've
spent sending Scott to rehab.
1243
01:02:45,042 --> 01:02:47,750
It's the most amount of money
we've spent on anyone.
1244
01:02:47,875 --> 01:02:52,875
- Folic acid, lisinopril,
clonidine, cardival,
1245
01:02:52,958 --> 01:02:55,125
furosemides for seizures.
1246
01:02:55,208 --> 01:02:58,375
Amiodarone, this is for heart
rate.
1247
01:02:58,458 --> 01:02:59,917
Did I already say potassium?
1248
01:03:00,042 --> 01:03:01,583
I don't know, brother.
1249
01:03:01,667 --> 01:03:02,792
All them years of partying,
now I'm taking all these pills
1250
01:03:02,875 --> 01:03:05,250
and I don't get a buzz.
1251
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:10,292
There's got to a reason that I'm
still here.
1252
01:03:10,375 --> 01:03:12,000
I should have been dead a
hundred times.
1253
01:03:12,042 --> 01:03:14,083
I should have been dead a
hundred times.
1254
01:03:19,875 --> 01:03:23,292
- He's a picture of dysfunction.
1255
01:03:23,375 --> 01:03:27,167
And the producer of that show
for E60, when Scott Hall and he
1256
01:03:27,250 --> 01:03:29,333
first meet, where did Scott Hall
want to meet him?
1257
01:03:29,458 --> 01:03:34,833
He wanted to meet him at the
scene of the shooting at the
1258
01:03:34,917 --> 01:03:38,042
strip club, the Doll House.
1259
01:03:39,083 --> 01:03:41,875
- He was reaching for the gun,
so I reached for it too.
1260
01:03:41,958 --> 01:03:43,250
We wrestled around with the gun.
1261
01:03:43,333 --> 01:03:46,917
I took it and shot him in the
head.
1262
01:03:47,625 --> 01:03:54,333
- There were two people in that
moment with each other.
1263
01:03:54,375 --> 01:03:57,208
One of them emerged alive,
and we don't know exactly
1264
01:03:57,333 --> 01:03:58,500
what happened.
1265
01:04:00,167 --> 01:04:02,583
But, you know, i-i-it seems
clear when he talks about it,
1266
01:04:02,583 --> 01:04:05,125
even though he describes it as
self-defense, that this is
1267
01:04:05,208 --> 01:04:08,708
something that troubled him,
that haunted him.
1268
01:04:08,792 --> 01:04:14,875
[crowd chants "Razor"]
1269
01:04:16,167 --> 01:04:17,833
- There's so much sadness.
1270
01:04:17,917 --> 01:04:22,625
The way that he could not
control his demons,
1271
01:04:22,708 --> 01:04:28,542
I think his-his story stands in
many ways as a warning.
1272
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:36,792
- Scott called me and said he
had a gun, like, you know,
1273
01:04:36,792 --> 01:04:38,250
he was gonna take himself out.
1274
01:04:38,333 --> 01:04:40,667
So I called Dallas to- for help,
to ask for help with him.
1275
01:04:40,750 --> 01:04:44,708
- He said, "I need a favor.
1276
01:04:45,667 --> 01:04:50,167
Scott said he's got a gun and
he's gonna kill himself.
1277
01:04:50,208 --> 01:04:52,042
Will you please call him?"
1278
01:04:57,708 --> 01:04:59,833
We're filming this documentary,
1279
01:04:59,875 --> 01:05:01,500
The Resurrection of Jake
"The Snake"
1280
01:05:01,583 --> 01:05:04,000
in the house I'm living in.
1281
01:05:04,083 --> 01:05:10,500
Lower yourself down to the
ground.
1282
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:12,583
- Sweet Jesus.
1283
01:05:12,708 --> 01:05:21,875
When Jake had moved in with me
2012, he was 60 days sober.
1284
01:05:22,667 --> 01:05:27,125
I'm calling Scott, and I'm
calling him never thinking he's
1285
01:05:27,208 --> 01:05:29,042
gonna pick up the phone.
1286
01:05:29,125 --> 01:05:30,667
And he does.
1287
01:05:30,750 --> 01:05:35,458
[phone rings]
1288
01:05:35,542 --> 01:05:36,667
- What?
1289
01:05:36,750 --> 01:05:39,250
- Scottie.
1290
01:05:39,375 --> 01:05:40,708
- What?
1291
01:05:40,792 --> 01:05:41,875
- Jake.
1292
01:05:41,958 --> 01:05:45,042
- Jake and Dally.
1293
01:05:45,042 --> 01:05:46,750
- Who is this?
1294
01:05:46,833 --> 01:05:48,000
- Dallas.
1295
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,250
Dallas Page.
1296
01:05:50,375 --> 01:05:51,667
- Oh, Dally.
1297
01:05:51,792 --> 01:05:53,458
My gosh.
1298
01:05:53,542 --> 01:05:56,625
- And Jake.
1299
01:05:56,708 --> 01:05:58,000
- You got Jake?
1300
01:05:58,125 --> 01:06:00,833
I heard- I heard Jake's doing
wonderful things.
1301
01:06:00,875 --> 01:06:02,542
- Yeah, man.
1302
01:06:02,667 --> 01:06:04,833
- I heard-- Yeah, I heard you
put-- Jake's on the right path.
1303
01:06:04,875 --> 01:06:06,083
- Yeah, we're there, bro.
1304
01:06:06,167 --> 01:06:07,333
- I'm so glad.
1305
01:06:07,417 --> 01:06:08,833
I'm so happy.
1306
01:06:08,917 --> 01:06:10,375
- There's room for one more,
man.
1307
01:06:12,417 --> 01:06:14,667
- This is a guy who,
physically, you would think,
1308
01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:18,042
"Oh, well, there's-- nothing can
stop him, you know."
1309
01:06:18,125 --> 01:06:19,125
But he couldn't walk.
1310
01:06:19,208 --> 01:06:20,625
He was in a wheelchair.
1311
01:06:21,458 --> 01:06:22,625
- I'm dying, Jake.
1312
01:06:22,708 --> 01:06:23,833
I'm dying.
1313
01:06:23,875 --> 01:06:26,000
I've been drinking vodka for
breakfast.
1314
01:06:26,083 --> 01:06:27,500
- You don't need to.
1315
01:06:27,583 --> 01:06:29,833
- The only- the o-- I mean,
the only thing that's put
1316
01:06:29,917 --> 01:06:32,292
in my body today has been vodka.
1317
01:06:34,333 --> 01:06:36,833
"Hey, just come up- come
stay with me for a while."
1318
01:06:36,833 --> 01:06:40,000
And I thought, "Okay, let's go
to rehab and go see Dally."
1319
01:06:40,125 --> 01:06:41,125
What's the difference?
1320
01:06:41,208 --> 01:06:42,792
I can always go to rehab.
1321
01:06:42,875 --> 01:06:44,417
Let me try something
different.
1322
01:06:45,542 --> 01:06:46,417
- Inhale.
1323
01:06:46,542 --> 01:06:48,875
Sweep up.
1324
01:06:48,958 --> 01:06:49,792
- Diamond Dallas Page
took him in.
1325
01:06:51,292 --> 01:06:54,042
And he seemed to be doing
really, really good.
1326
01:06:54,125 --> 01:06:56,750
- Lately, I've been so happy.
1327
01:06:56,833 --> 01:06:58,500
I owe a lot to Dally.
1328
01:06:58,625 --> 01:07:00,042
You know, I wasn't looking
for anything
1329
01:07:00,125 --> 01:07:02,167
but just a safe place to be.
1330
01:07:02,542 --> 01:07:04,833
- Four.
1331
01:07:04,875 --> 01:07:07,625
- Just was around a positive
vibe and no judgment,
1332
01:07:07,708 --> 01:07:10,500
and so it seemed like a great
fit for me.
1333
01:07:10,583 --> 01:07:12,500
I ended up staying with Dallas
for several months.
1334
01:07:13,458 --> 01:07:16,875
- It was the right time,
the right place, um, and he gets
1335
01:07:16,875 --> 01:07:20,375
all the credit for breathing
life into somebody that was
1336
01:07:20,500 --> 01:07:24,583
desperately trying to-
to end his.
1337
01:07:25,875 --> 01:07:30,792
- It blew my mind how he could
go from looking horrific to
1338
01:07:30,875 --> 01:07:34,208
looking like a male model.
1339
01:07:35,542 --> 01:07:37,333
- I get the phone call, like,
"They're gonna put you in the
1340
01:07:37,417 --> 01:07:39,583
Hall of Fame. Can you fit it
in?"
1341
01:07:39,667 --> 01:07:43,292
I'm going, "Well, I might have
to move a few things on my
1342
01:07:43,375 --> 01:07:45,333
schedule 'cause I was gonna go
to the gym then and go to the
1343
01:07:45,417 --> 01:07:48,083
tanning salon, but I guess I
could flip flop it and,
1344
01:07:48,167 --> 01:07:49,542
you know, like."
1345
01:07:49,667 --> 01:07:52,250
It's like, "Yeah, are you
kidding me? I'm available."
1346
01:07:52,375 --> 01:07:54,833
- The Hall of Fame was
just perfect.
1347
01:07:54,917 --> 01:07:57,375
The recognition of his peers.
1348
01:07:57,500 --> 01:07:59,542
The recognition of the people
that he entertained
1349
01:07:59,625 --> 01:08:00,583
for all those years.
1350
01:08:00,667 --> 01:08:03,667
It made his misery
worthwhile to him.
1351
01:08:03,833 --> 01:08:06,167
[crowd cheers]
1352
01:08:06,208 --> 01:08:12,167
- Ladies and gentlemen,
Razor Ramon.
1353
01:08:12,208 --> 01:08:14,750
[crowd cheers]
1354
01:08:14,833 --> 01:08:17,833
- People were getting to see
him at his best again.
1355
01:08:17,917 --> 01:08:22,125
And kind of seeing him through
the other side of the journey.
1356
01:08:22,208 --> 01:08:23,917
I was just really proud of him.
1357
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,708
[crowd cheers]
1358
01:08:25,792 --> 01:08:28,792
- Scott, he told me how he was
gonna finish it.
1359
01:08:28,875 --> 01:08:31,625
He says, "I just wanna make it
short and sweet, you know,
1360
01:08:31,750 --> 01:08:33,125
get to the point."
1361
01:08:33,208 --> 01:08:36,917
- Hard work pays off.
1362
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,125
Dreams come true.
1363
01:08:42,792 --> 01:08:44,125
Bad times don't last,
1364
01:08:46,958 --> 01:08:49,167
but Bad Guys do.
1365
01:08:49,250 --> 01:08:53,167
[crowd cheers]
1366
01:08:54,375 --> 01:08:55,708
- Pretty powerful moment.
1367
01:08:55,833 --> 01:08:57,167
Pretty cool.
1368
01:08:57,208 --> 01:08:58,667
And just great to see that.
1369
01:08:58,792 --> 01:09:01,625
You know, listen, things may
have never gotten perfect for
1370
01:09:01,708 --> 01:09:07,000
Scott Hall, but it was beautiful
to still see him get his flowers
1371
01:09:07,083 --> 01:09:08,292
and have his moment.
1372
01:09:10,375 --> 01:09:14,958
- I remember seeing Scott Hall
at the Hall of Fame, and I was
1373
01:09:15,042 --> 01:09:18,292
like, to Maryse, I was like,
"We gotta get a picture."
1374
01:09:18,375 --> 01:09:19,583
She's like, "Yeah, we do."
1375
01:09:20,875 --> 01:09:25,250
I don't ask for people to-to
take a picture with me.
1376
01:09:25,375 --> 01:09:29,417
I asked Scott Hall for a
picture, and it's-
1377
01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:32,333
it's a pretty amazing picture.
1378
01:09:32,375 --> 01:09:33,833
Look at that, huh?
1379
01:09:36,083 --> 01:09:38,000
And he just oozes coolness.
1380
01:09:38,125 --> 01:09:39,833
Like, he's just so cool.
1381
01:09:40,708 --> 01:09:42,708
- It just felt great and to be
able to look these guys right in
1382
01:09:42,792 --> 01:09:45,667
the eye and be clearheaded
and be in good shape
1383
01:09:45,750 --> 01:09:46,333
and stuff again.
1384
01:09:46,375 --> 01:09:47,667
"And what you doing?"
1385
01:09:47,833 --> 01:09:48,500
"I'm doing pretty good, man.
How are you doing?"
1386
01:09:48,625 --> 01:09:50,458
Like, and-and it to be true.
1387
01:09:52,375 --> 01:09:54,417
- Just the sheer joy to be
around him, to-to get to share
1388
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:56,792
that time with him.
1389
01:09:56,875 --> 01:09:58,500
It's a great place to be.
1390
01:09:58,583 --> 01:09:59,667
- What's your plan
the rest of the night?
1391
01:09:59,792 --> 01:10:01,000
Are you gonna have a big
celebration or what?
1392
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,458
- No.
1393
01:10:02,542 --> 01:10:03,208
I will probably will hang with
my buddies and go get
1394
01:10:03,292 --> 01:10:04,958
something to eat and--
1395
01:10:05,042 --> 01:10:05,792
- That's it?
1396
01:10:05,875 --> 01:10:07,125
- Yeah.
Who knows?
1397
01:10:07,208 --> 01:10:08,250
We are in New Orleans, but I'm
living a different lifestyle
1398
01:10:08,333 --> 01:10:09,542
than I used to-
1399
01:10:09,625 --> 01:10:10,333
- Exactly.
1400
01:10:10,417 --> 01:10:12,917
- so I'll pro-probably lay low.
1401
01:10:13,042 --> 01:10:16,500
As I look back on it now, I try
to make better decisions and,
1402
01:10:16,583 --> 01:10:18,167
right now, it ain't all about
money to me.
1403
01:10:18,292 --> 01:10:20,375
It's all about doing the next
right thing.
1404
01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:22,458
I mean, I know that sounds
hokey, and I know this is
1405
01:10:22,542 --> 01:10:26,083
wrestling and it's not my image,
but people say money
1406
01:10:26,167 --> 01:10:27,542
don't buy happiness.
1407
01:10:27,625 --> 01:10:30,167
Only people with money
understand that.
1408
01:10:30,208 --> 01:10:35,208
I have sat in my big ass mansion
all alone, with no friends,
1409
01:10:35,208 --> 01:10:37,792
with all the toys and
no one to play with.
1410
01:10:37,875 --> 01:10:41,417
And so I've restructured my
life where it's more important
1411
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:45,667
to me about relationships
and things that are real.
1412
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:47,667
Like, when I sit around and
think, now what, now what?
1413
01:10:47,708 --> 01:10:48,875
Okay.
1414
01:10:48,875 --> 01:10:49,500
I wanted a family.
1415
01:10:49,625 --> 01:10:50,708
I got a great family, you know.
1416
01:10:50,875 --> 01:10:52,000
I wanted to be a big time
pro-wrestler.
1417
01:10:52,125 --> 01:10:53,375
Did it, you know.
1418
01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:54,833
Now what, now what?
1419
01:10:54,917 --> 01:10:59,042
And I think helping people can
be really satisfying.
1420
01:10:59,208 --> 01:11:00,000
You got two good performances.
1421
01:11:00,125 --> 01:11:01,542
- Yeah.
1422
01:11:01,708 --> 01:11:01,875
- Good stuff, you're really
starting to hit your stride.
1423
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,417
- Yeah.
1424
01:11:03,542 --> 01:11:04,167
- You look like your comfortable
in the ring, you know.
1425
01:11:04,208 --> 01:11:05,000
You did it.
1426
01:11:05,083 --> 01:11:06,042
That's great.
1427
01:11:06,125 --> 01:11:07,500
- Yeah.
1428
01:11:07,542 --> 01:11:09,917
- He liked to help mentor, like,
take younger guys
1429
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,417
under his wing.
1430
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:12,167
- Get over it.
1431
01:11:12,250 --> 01:11:13,042
Yeah.
1432
01:11:13,125 --> 01:11:13,917
Get over it.
1433
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,125
That's the whole thing.
1434
01:11:15,208 --> 01:11:17,333
That's what everybody
wants you to get.
1435
01:11:17,917 --> 01:11:21,000
- I still pinch myself to this
day, to sit there and to
1436
01:11:21,042 --> 01:11:26,542
literally conversate, talk as a
peer, as a-- as a person who's
1437
01:11:26,625 --> 01:11:29,708
in the same profession
and does the same thing.
1438
01:11:29,792 --> 01:11:31,708
It still blows my mind
to this day.
1439
01:11:33,583 --> 01:11:34,958
- But just to talk to these
young guys because
1440
01:11:35,042 --> 01:11:36,542
I've been there.
1441
01:11:36,625 --> 01:11:38,792
Been the guy who never made it,
been the guy who made it.
1442
01:11:38,875 --> 01:11:41,833
Been the guy who never drank,
been the guy who drank too much.
1443
01:11:42,208 --> 01:11:45,083
I said, "Hey bro, I'm not
against drinking [bleep] drink.
1444
01:11:45,208 --> 01:11:46,167
I'm not successful at it."
1445
01:11:46,583 --> 01:11:48,667
I said, "But you gotta figure
it into your diet."
1446
01:11:48,750 --> 01:11:50,000
- Yeah.
1447
01:11:50,083 --> 01:11:51,042
- Like, if you're gonna drink
some beers at night,
1448
01:11:51,125 --> 01:11:51,875
then don't eat carbs at night.
1449
01:11:53,083 --> 01:11:54,500
- Scott pulled me to the side.
1450
01:11:54,583 --> 01:11:57,167
He was like, "Dally, I gotta be
honest.
1451
01:11:57,208 --> 01:12:00,333
I like to drink, you know.
1452
01:12:00,417 --> 01:12:03,500
I'm never gonna
tell people not to drink.
1453
01:12:03,583 --> 01:12:07,625
I'm never gonna say, uh,
I'm not gonna take a drink."
1454
01:12:08,083 --> 01:12:11,375
And I said, "Let's figure out
how to keep you sober
1455
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:13,083
when you need to be sober."
1456
01:12:14,708 --> 01:12:17,708
- He had his moments where he
would sober up and clean up.
1457
01:12:18,708 --> 01:12:21,292
As much as you hoped
he wouldn't you were just-
1458
01:12:21,375 --> 01:12:24,500
waiting for him to fall off the
wagon again.
1459
01:12:30,208 --> 01:12:30,875
- Speed.
1460
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:31,333
- Sound is rolling.
1461
01:12:31,375 --> 01:12:32,125
- All right.
1462
01:12:32,208 --> 01:12:33,208
Sound is rolling.
1463
01:12:33,292 --> 01:12:34,375
- So Scott, whenever you're
ready.
1464
01:12:36,208 --> 01:12:40,625
- I find myself back at the Doll
House in the parking lot where,
1465
01:12:40,708 --> 01:12:45,958
gosh, over 33 years ago, a
life-changing event happened.
1466
01:12:46,042 --> 01:12:51,083
Um, a guy pulled a gun on me in
the parking lot over here, right
1467
01:12:51,167 --> 01:12:55,292
in that back corner, and we were
wrestling around with the gun
1468
01:12:55,375 --> 01:12:56,917
and he ended up dead.
1469
01:12:57,042 --> 01:13:02,125
Um, .45 caliber hollow point
at point-blank range.
1470
01:13:02,250 --> 01:13:03,833
It was horrifying.
1471
01:13:04,542 --> 01:13:09,125
I mean, like, brains all
over me and
1472
01:13:09,208 --> 01:13:10,667
I can't do this, man.
1473
01:13:19,542 --> 01:13:21,167
I've been told that
post-traumatic stress disorder
1474
01:13:21,250 --> 01:13:24,583
is-is gonna be something, that
it's-it's gonna be a big
1475
01:13:24,708 --> 01:13:28,375
hurdle for me be-before worrying
about other issues,
1476
01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:30,708
I can't get anywhere until I
deal with that.
1477
01:13:32,250 --> 01:13:34,375
- Every time he would get drunk,
it was just dying
1478
01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:35,667
to come out of him.
1479
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:37,542
I heard the story
a hundred times.
1480
01:13:37,625 --> 01:13:39,625
He would get that thousand-yard
stare.
1481
01:13:39,708 --> 01:13:41,667
They say, you know, he'd look
right through me.
1482
01:13:41,708 --> 01:13:43,583
He talked about, "God, Code, I
can still feel the blood
1483
01:13:43,667 --> 01:13:44,792
splatter on my face.
1484
01:13:44,875 --> 01:13:46,292
I can still smell the parking
lot.
1485
01:13:46,375 --> 01:13:47,833
I can still hear the sounds."
1486
01:13:47,917 --> 01:13:50,458
He would really go to that place
and it would be really eerie.
1487
01:13:52,542 --> 01:13:54,708
- He kind of just buried it down
and didn't deal with how
1488
01:13:54,792 --> 01:13:58,375
traumatic it was to take
someone else's life, um
1489
01:13:58,375 --> 01:13:59,167
He kind of just got
to the point
1490
01:13:59,250 --> 01:14:00,875
where he felt he deserved it
1491
01:14:00,958 --> 01:14:03,875
or that he didn't
deserve better, you know.
1492
01:14:07,208 --> 01:14:09,708
He kind of-- he kind of just
felt that was all he was worth
1493
01:14:09,792 --> 01:14:12,125
was just a bottle of tequila.
1494
01:14:12,208 --> 01:14:16,083
And then, no matter how much I
would tell him, or anyone would
1495
01:14:16,167 --> 01:14:19,958
tell him that I cared, he
just-- And for some reason so
1496
01:14:20,042 --> 01:14:24,083
deep within himself, just didn't
feel he could accept it
1497
01:14:24,167 --> 01:14:25,500
or wasn't worthy of it.
1498
01:14:29,708 --> 01:14:34,250
- When something like that
happens, hmm, it eats at you.
1499
01:14:35,958 --> 01:14:42,208
And, uh, no amount of positivity
can land on you,
1500
01:14:42,333 --> 01:14:43,792
unless you want it to.
1501
01:14:45,875 --> 01:14:49,917
- I think it was, uh, something
that he couldn't shake,
1502
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,167
you know.
1503
01:14:51,208 --> 01:14:55,167
So I think that was always, uh,
a dark spot that-
1504
01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:56,500
that haunted him.
1505
01:14:59,042 --> 01:15:02,500
- Scott would always say
I have a problem with alcohol.
1506
01:15:02,583 --> 01:15:05,333
I says, "No, Scott.
1507
01:15:05,417 --> 01:15:10,333
Your solution to your problem is
alcohol.
1508
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:13,667
The problem is, you can't
forgive yourself."
1509
01:15:14,958 --> 01:15:18,167
- He was tormented, and he
drank and he did drugs
1510
01:15:18,208 --> 01:15:24,042
and he did all that stuff
because of that torment and um
1511
01:15:24,875 --> 01:15:29,542
you could feel there's no
way to help.
1512
01:15:29,708 --> 01:15:31,292
- I can remember us
touching on it.
1513
01:15:31,375 --> 01:15:33,083
You do the whole like, "Gosh,
you shouldn't really
1514
01:15:33,083 --> 01:15:34,292
not worry about that.
1515
01:15:34,375 --> 01:15:36,000
You know, it wasn't your fault,"
and yada, yada, yada.
1516
01:15:36,083 --> 01:15:39,333
You say all the right stuff, but
nobody ever takes the time to
1517
01:15:39,375 --> 01:15:41,583
sit there and deal with it.
1518
01:15:42,125 --> 01:15:44,792
Why deal with the real stuff
when we can sit here and make
1519
01:15:44,875 --> 01:15:47,792
the pain go away with this stuff
and we live in this make believe
1520
01:15:47,875 --> 01:15:49,708
fantasy world where everybody
thinks we're cool.
1521
01:15:50,375 --> 01:15:52,292
That's a heck of a lot better
than dealing with the reality
1522
01:15:52,375 --> 01:15:53,833
that you killed somebody.
1523
01:15:56,583 --> 01:15:58,667
- COVID really hit him hard.
1524
01:15:58,708 --> 01:16:01,500
He really didn't leave the house
for two years.
1525
01:16:01,542 --> 01:16:04,417
He was really scared of getting
sick, and so he was just kind of
1526
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:06,375
sitting in the dark, you know.
1527
01:16:06,458 --> 01:16:09,333
He definitely, kind of, just
fell into that pit and, kind of,
1528
01:16:09,375 --> 01:16:13,375
just had his demons all around
him and nowhere to go.
1529
01:16:13,458 --> 01:16:16,125
- That's what happened those
last couple of years and it's,
1530
01:16:16,208 --> 01:16:18,958
you know, COVID is a thing that
was so bad because being trapped
1531
01:16:19,042 --> 01:16:24,667
at home, you know, it was--
it was just too dark.
1532
01:16:24,750 --> 01:16:27,833
And he was in a dark spot.
1533
01:16:27,917 --> 01:16:29,125
It was horrible, you know.
1534
01:16:31,708 --> 01:16:33,625
- Yeah, you got to make sure
you reel yourself in.
1535
01:16:33,708 --> 01:16:35,792
You got to have that
check-and-balance system.
1536
01:16:35,875 --> 01:16:38,583
I don't know, because Scott was
alone a lot, I don't know if he
1537
01:16:38,708 --> 01:16:41,000
had that check-and-balance
system, you know.
1538
01:16:41,125 --> 01:16:43,500
That was our concern, is when we
wouldn't hear from him.
1539
01:16:43,583 --> 01:16:45,917
You know, "Kev, have you heard
from Scott?"
1540
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,333
"No, I haven't heard from him
for a couple weeks."
1541
01:16:47,417 --> 01:16:49,125
I was like, "Oh,[bleep]."
1542
01:16:49,917 --> 01:16:53,250
- Scott would drink so much.
1543
01:16:53,333 --> 01:16:59,333
And he-he would go, like, from
fine to just out in minutes.
1544
01:17:00,042 --> 01:17:06,167
One of the last times that--
and-and this is, I mean, I hate
1545
01:17:06,208 --> 01:17:08,792
to, you know, I feel like I'm
narcing out my friend, but-
1546
01:17:10,208 --> 01:17:13,000
it was the night before we
were going in to the
1547
01:17:13,083 --> 01:17:14,875
Hall of Fame.
1548
01:17:15,375 --> 01:17:16,875
We're talking.
1549
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,708
Out of my peripheral vision,
I just see him from a barstool
1550
01:17:19,792 --> 01:17:24,125
about that tall, just-
just teetering.
1551
01:17:24,208 --> 01:17:25,667
I mean, wham.
1552
01:17:27,250 --> 01:17:31,792
- Scott had taken some pills and
started pounding the Vodka
1553
01:17:31,875 --> 01:17:34,458
cranberries and-and completely
passed out.
1554
01:17:34,542 --> 01:17:35,292
He was done.
1555
01:17:35,375 --> 01:17:36,750
He was out.
1556
01:17:36,833 --> 01:17:39,375
And yeah, people were--
they had to step over him.
1557
01:17:39,458 --> 01:17:41,583
Neither one of us could
budge him.
1558
01:17:41,667 --> 01:17:45,333
He was just dead weight, like
300 pounds of dead weight.
1559
01:17:46,208 --> 01:17:48,583
- That was when I just said to
myself, like, he is-- this is
1560
01:17:48,667 --> 01:17:50,333
like the worst I've ever seen
him.
1561
01:17:53,417 --> 01:17:54,625
- Now, uh, we knew it.
1562
01:17:54,750 --> 01:17:56,375
Like, we knew, like the-
the days were numbered.
1563
01:18:02,917 --> 01:18:05,583
- It was something you never
want to see anyone living in.
1564
01:18:05,667 --> 01:18:08,500
I mean, it was just a dark nest.
1565
01:18:08,542 --> 01:18:12,250
It was just cluttered and he
had just kind of given up.
1566
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,333
- This message is for
Cassidy Hall.
1567
01:18:16,417 --> 01:18:20,292
I have you listed as an
emergency contact for a patient.
1568
01:18:20,375 --> 01:18:22,042
If you could please call.
1569
01:18:22,125 --> 01:18:24,125
Um, we need to speak
to you very emergently.
1570
01:18:24,208 --> 01:18:25,708
Thank you.
1571
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:32,000
- He fell in his house and he
busted his hip and uh,
1572
01:18:32,042 --> 01:18:33,542
he had to get his hip fixed.
1573
01:18:34,250 --> 01:18:37,458
- I think COVID pretty much did
him in because it made him stay
1574
01:18:37,542 --> 01:18:41,542
in that little place and, you
know, not interact and not do
1575
01:18:41,542 --> 01:18:44,292
the things that he liked to do
and not be physically
1576
01:18:44,375 --> 01:18:45,583
active and all that.
1577
01:18:45,708 --> 01:18:48,500
That's what weakened him to the
point that something like
1578
01:18:48,583 --> 01:18:50,167
that could happen.
1579
01:18:51,542 --> 01:18:55,083
I don't think he ever
anticipated being in a situation
1580
01:18:55,167 --> 01:18:58,208
where he was, like, that weak,
you know?
1581
01:18:58,292 --> 01:19:00,500
Uh, I mean,
1582
01:19:00,625 --> 01:19:02,083
[laughs]
1583
01:19:02,167 --> 01:19:04,583
he said- he said, "Man, I
spent about three days on that
1584
01:19:04,708 --> 01:19:09,417
floor, not able to get help
for myself."
1585
01:19:10,875 --> 01:19:13,833
- I was in Georgia with him in
the hospital.
1586
01:19:14,292 --> 01:19:16,708
I remember he told me, um, you
know, like, oh,
1587
01:19:16,792 --> 01:19:18,083
I have the best daughter.
1588
01:19:18,208 --> 01:19:20,542
Like, thank you so much for
coming and helping me.
1589
01:19:22,542 --> 01:19:25,042
And, um, and so I told him, no,
I have the best dad.
1590
01:19:25,167 --> 01:19:27,500
And, you know, we both just
cried because I cry,
1591
01:19:27,583 --> 01:19:29,500
when he cries.
1592
01:19:29,500 --> 01:19:30,833
So he was crying at that.
1593
01:19:30,958 --> 01:19:33,500
Um, and I just told him, you
know, you-
1594
01:19:33,542 --> 01:19:36,167
you are the best dad to me.
1595
01:19:36,250 --> 01:19:41,167
Um, and yeah, I flew home and
then two nights later I got a
1596
01:19:41,250 --> 01:19:44,500
call that he had had three
heart attacks.
1597
01:19:44,583 --> 01:19:48,042
Um, he was in the ICU and then
we flew back.
1598
01:19:50,958 --> 01:19:54,208
- I really believe that as long
as he didn't have any real
1599
01:19:54,292 --> 01:19:58,125
success, he could've lived
with it.
1600
01:19:58,208 --> 01:20:01,500
And that's because inside Scott
Hall was a good man.
1601
01:20:14,667 --> 01:20:18,458
- The day is finally here, the
day we've been, oh--
1602
01:20:27,667 --> 01:20:30,167
- They're-They're-They're pretty
much he's on life support.
1603
01:20:30,208 --> 01:20:31,958
They're just waiting for
everybody to get--
1604
01:20:32,042 --> 01:20:34,458
to get to the hospital.
1605
01:20:34,542 --> 01:20:35,542
I told him I loved him
1606
01:20:40,208 --> 01:20:42,000
- They say the hearing's one
of the last things to go.
1607
01:20:42,083 --> 01:20:43,625
So I like to try to believe
that.
1608
01:20:43,708 --> 01:20:46,167
So I came and I played some of
his songs that I knew he liked
1609
01:20:46,250 --> 01:20:50,458
and tried to talk to him,
and uh say goodbye.
1610
01:20:50,542 --> 01:20:52,417
So I hope he heard me.
1611
01:20:55,708 --> 01:20:57,625
- Just trying to come up with
the words to say to him
1612
01:20:57,708 --> 01:20:59,417
to express my gratitude
1613
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:01,000
How much--
1614
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:07,000
how much I loved him,
you know.
1615
01:21:09,958 --> 01:21:11,417
- Oh, my God.
1616
01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:16,125
And that was that.
1617
01:21:29,292 --> 01:21:30,333
- When I got the call that he
passed,
1618
01:21:30,417 --> 01:21:32,292
it was a call I had been
dreading for years.
1619
01:21:37,583 --> 01:21:40,292
it wasn't-it was sudden.
1620
01:21:40,375 --> 01:21:42,333
But it wasn't.
1621
01:21:42,375 --> 01:21:47,333
You'd been prepping for that
call for, you know,
1622
01:21:47,417 --> 01:21:50,208
twenty years, you know,
it was brutal.
1623
01:21:52,208 --> 01:21:56,292
- I got the news that he
passed away.
1624
01:21:56,375 --> 01:21:57,958
I can't--
1625
01:22:11,333 --> 01:22:13,333
I don't think
I can do this one.
1626
01:22:19,500 --> 01:22:25,250
[birds chirping]
1627
01:22:29,667 --> 01:22:33,167
- These red cedars here, they've
lost some of their limbs, but
1628
01:22:33,292 --> 01:22:35,833
these were the spots where he'd
get his-
1629
01:22:35,917 --> 01:22:39,542
his pictures with the kids.
1630
01:22:40,333 --> 01:22:43,833
He loved being here in this--
in this spot right here down
1631
01:22:43,875 --> 01:22:45,125
at Church Point.
1632
01:22:48,792 --> 01:22:49,667
It's a beautiful spot.
1633
01:22:49,667 --> 01:22:50,625
It's very-- it's fitting.
1634
01:22:50,708 --> 01:22:51,750
It's fitting.
1635
01:22:57,042 --> 01:22:59,125
- I think he helped
a lot of people.
1636
01:22:59,208 --> 01:23:01,583
I think he made
a lot of people happy.
1637
01:23:01,708 --> 01:23:04,333
He put more good
into the world than he did bad.
1638
01:23:04,375 --> 01:23:07,167
And that's all you can
really try and do.
1639
01:23:07,833 --> 01:23:10,833
- I think it was phenomenal what
he did, and I'm so happy that,
1640
01:23:10,875 --> 01:23:14,292
you know, he shared that with
the world and that he, you know,
1641
01:23:14,375 --> 01:23:16,833
got to find that pride in it.
1642
01:23:16,917 --> 01:23:21,417
Um, But yeah, really, I would
just say my dad was a great dad.
1643
01:23:23,375 --> 01:23:26,042
- Scott could never see the true
goodness in him
1644
01:23:26,167 --> 01:23:27,417
while everybody else could.
1645
01:23:28,417 --> 01:23:31,750
It goes back to what he said.
1646
01:23:31,833 --> 01:23:38,750
Outside of that ring, my life's
a mess, but in it,
1647
01:23:38,833 --> 01:23:40,292
can't nobody touch me.
1648
01:23:43,625 --> 01:23:48,583
- Everybody knows nobody can
beat The Bad Guy.
1649
01:23:51,125 --> 01:23:54,833
- He'll be remembered for being
The Bad Guy,
1650
01:23:54,917 --> 01:23:56,667
but he was a hell of a good guy.
1651
01:23:57,667 --> 01:24:00,250
- Boy, he is just dripping with
the gold and the machismo.
1652
01:24:00,375 --> 01:24:02,167
I can smell it in the air.
1653
01:24:02,250 --> 01:24:04,000
- People will talk about Scott
Hall when
1654
01:24:04,083 --> 01:24:05,667
they talk about the greats.
1655
01:24:05,708 --> 01:24:11,583
I mean, the legacy is just
coolest guy in WWE ever.
1656
01:24:13,542 --> 01:24:18,042
- I look at Scott Hall as one of
the most unbelievable performers
1657
01:24:18,167 --> 01:24:20,250
that has ever graced the ring.
1658
01:24:20,375 --> 01:24:24,625
He was able to take a character
and make it larger than life.
1659
01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:28,167
- I living the good life.
1660
01:24:28,208 --> 01:24:30,542
I living like a king, chico.
1661
01:24:31,667 --> 01:24:35,208
- He was a pivotal guy at a
pivotal time.
1662
01:24:35,333 --> 01:24:39,958
- Razor Ramon, the new
Intercontinental Champion.
1663
01:24:39,958 --> 01:24:44,292
- You know, Scott's attitude
sets the tone for what was cool.
1664
01:24:44,375 --> 01:24:45,875
- You want my autograph?
1665
01:24:45,875 --> 01:24:47,958
Don't sing it.
1666
01:24:48,042 --> 01:24:49,833
Bring it.
1667
01:24:49,875 --> 01:24:55,167
- Scott Hall's legacy is that of
one of the most charismatic,
1668
01:24:55,250 --> 01:24:58,167
interesting, talented superstars
of all time.
1669
01:24:58,708 --> 01:25:05,083
- He was a wonderful, caring,
kind, brilliant human being, and
1670
01:25:05,208 --> 01:25:09,292
he cared about people and he
loved his friends
1671
01:25:09,375 --> 01:25:10,833
and he loved his kids.
1672
01:25:11,417 --> 01:25:14,208
- Take a picture of the daddy
and the baby.
1673
01:25:14,292 --> 01:25:16,167
A picture of the daddy
and the baby.
1674
01:25:17,125 --> 01:25:19,167
- Hard work pays off.
1675
01:25:19,208 --> 01:25:22,042
Dreams come true.
1676
01:25:22,167 --> 01:25:25,083
Bad times don't last.
1677
01:25:25,167 --> 01:25:27,083
- but Bad Guys do.
1678
01:25:27,167 --> 01:25:37,125
[crowd cheers]
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