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New York City.
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It's changed a lot
since I first came here
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as a young actor.
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The all night diner
that we used to go to
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after the shows, gone.
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Not a single phone
booth in sight anywhere.
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I came here for the same
reason that most people come,
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to make it.
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But it was a major
change for a young boy
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from rural Mississippi.
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Cities like this
separate us from nature.
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Most of us spend our days in
climate-controlled offices and
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looking down at
computer screens,
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rather than up at the stars.
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Our ancestors were
always in touch with the
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rawer elements of nature,
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that's where they
saw evidence of god,
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blowing in the wind,
coming down the warm way
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of the sun.
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But even in our modern world,
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we still share something
with our ancestors.
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That is the desire to find
proof that god exists.
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Have we cut god out
of our modern lives?
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Or are there special moments
when god breaks through and
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makes his presence known?
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I'm on a quest to understand
how people find proof of god.
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I'll visit a man who heard
god on September the 11th.
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And I felt god speak to me.
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In a very still voice,
I felt god saying,
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"it's going to be okay."
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Discover
how Muslims see god in the
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words of their holy book.
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For Christians,
god's word is Jesus come to
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earth in the flesh.
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For Muslims the Koran is
god come to earth in the book.
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I will took
with a Buddhist master who
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feels divine power inside him.
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Your inner energy,
you can manifest sort of
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like the divine?
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Correct.
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And meet a
physicist who has faith that
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science will lead him to god.
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The more we
learn about the world,
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it points more towards god,
rather than less.
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Can we all in
our own way find proof of god?
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for believers around the world,
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prayer is an act
of faith in god.
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But how do we find proof of god?
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Often, it's in times of crises.
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Many people feel certain
that god steps in to
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save their lives.
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I'm on my way to meet a
devout Christian who felt god's
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presence on the fateful day
of September 11, 2001.
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His name is Sujo John.
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Sujo?
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Morgan Freeman.
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Great to meet you, sir.
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Please.
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Thank you.
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You were
born and raised in India.
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How do you happen
to be Christian?
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You know my parents
come from the Southern part of
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India where Christianity
goes way back over 2,000 years.
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Tell me about the day that
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changed your life.
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It started off
as a normal day, a clear,
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cloudless day in New York City.
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Me and my wife, we both
find work in the towers.
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I'm on the 81st floor
of the north tower,
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my wife on the
71st of the south.
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My wife is four months
pregnant with our first child
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and we're looking forward
to the birth of that child.
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You were in
the north tower and what?
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8:46 in the morning,
American flight 11,
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flying at 440 miles an hour,
this huge jet plane comes
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crashing the north tower
and I hear this
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incredible explosion.
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And fire breaks on our floor,
walls start collapsing around
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us and I'm saying,
"god, if this building is
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gonna go down, I'm never
gonna see my wife again."
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I'm never gonna see that
child that my wife is carrying.
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Someone from our
floor rallies us.
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He says "we've got
to beat this fire.
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We've gotta get
out of this place."
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So we start crawling
and fighting our way
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through the fire,
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looking for the
nearest stairwell.
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Thousands of people are
joining us on that stairwell.
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We get to the 43rd or the
44th floor when I see these
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firemen, policemen,
going up, as we are going down.
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We had no idea then
that these men were in a way
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walking up to their death.
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I can imagine.
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Now we hear another explosion.
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This is the second plane
crashing into the second tower.
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And I was going crazy,
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realizing for
sure my wife is dead.
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What's life for me if
my wife is not alive?
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So you
did get out, you got down?
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Correct.
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So now
you're down on the ground floor,
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you're in the Plaza.
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Correct.
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Now what happens?
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Walking
towards the south tower...
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And you thought your wife
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was in there?
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Yes, I was very
sure that she was there
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because she has to be
at work at 8:40 every day.
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Did you get there?
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No, actually the
grounds are shaking violently.
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The glass is shattering.
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I thought it was a bomb
and this was the south tower
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imploding and going down.
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As the building is collapsing,
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there's people with me
and I'm huddled with them.
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And I felt god speak to me.
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In a very still voice,
I felt god saying,
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"it's going to be okay."
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You heard the voice of god?
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He spoke to you?
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I did not hear god
speak to me in an audible way,
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but I felt god's inner
voice speak to me and ask
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the people to pray with me.
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What happened then?
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We prayed for a few minutes.
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My head is rolling,
the ground's shaking,
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I feel stuff fall on me.
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There's smoke all around
me, could not breath.
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When the south tower collapsed,
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it sort of took you with it.
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You were buried
in rubble and ash.
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I was kind of
resigned to my fate that
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I was going to die here.
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But I realize I'm alive.
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I crawl my way around to
realize that these people who
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had prayed with me,
they did not make it.
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I see a red light flashing
to the soot and the smoke.
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It's a flashing light coming
out of an ambulance and
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part of the
ambulance was crushed,
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but the light
was still flashing.
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So I'm on the
streets of Manhattan,
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I can't even recognize
it, it's like a war zone,
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the debris and ash and dust.
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Now you are
a lone survivor so to speak.
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I'm thinking about my wife.
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It was just the most
incredible trauma and
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pain to experience.
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The fear of the unknown,
fear about my wife.
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Then my cellphone rings for
the very first time that day.
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I see my wife's caller ID and
I'm thinking this is not her,
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it's someone else calling me
saying "your wife is dead."
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But when I said
hello, it's my wife.
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And she hears my
voice loud and clear.
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But her first words were,
"babe, are you alive?"
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Are you alive?
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She thought
I was dead and I thought
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she was dead.
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Alright, so we're looking at a
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miracle right here.
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Yes, and it
was god that preserved and
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saved my life.
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It's proof to me
that there is a god.
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It seems
like if god was going to spare
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one he would spare them all.
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That's a great question,
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but life on earth is such
that no one is guaranteed
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a today or tomorrow.
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Every human being walking on
this earth will face death.
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But here's what
I know from experience.
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When you walk with god and
go through the storms of life,
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you have this peace
and the presence of god.
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So if you carry
the presence of god,
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even though it might be
death, it's going to be okay.
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Sujo and his wife, Mary,
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now have three children.
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He left his corporate
job and dedicated his life
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to helping others.
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His current mission
in his native India,
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is to help save women
from human trafficking.
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You are using just
the power of life...
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To give life to others.
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Yes, I feel
very blessed that god's
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called me into this.
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I'm always excited about
whatever god brings my way.
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Well it's
wonderful to talk to you.
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Thank you sir.
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Honor to be with you.
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Sujo John's
survival is extraordinary.
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Some say it's miraculous.
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What's most remarkable to
me is that Sujo felt the
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unmistakable presence of
god, even while death and
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destruction were all around him.
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But what about the rest of us?
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Is going through a horrifying
experience like that
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the only way to feel
proof of the divine?
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Or can we encounter
god through the
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experiences of others?
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Around the world, the
faithful make pilgrimage to
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miracle sites, places
like Fatima in Portugal.
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In 1917, three young Shepherds
claimed they were told by the
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virgin Mary that a miracle
would take place here on
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October the 13th.
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A crowd gathered and
on the appointed day,
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thousands said they
saw the sun dance back and
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forth in the sky.
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Millions of pilgrims
who flock to Fatima see this
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miracle site as
undeniable proof of god.
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Being there reinforces their
belief that god can make
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dramatic interventions
in our world.
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But many believers also
feel the divine guiding us
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in a far subtler way,
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in the ebb and flow
of their daily lives.
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I'm in New York to learn
about an ancient
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religion from west Africa.
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The Ifa faith of the Yoruba
people crossed the Atlantic
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with slavery and is still
practiced today in Harlem.
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Followers of Ifa believe the
world is filled with divine
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energy and their fates
are guided by that energy.
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Hello, how are you?
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Hello, I am very well.
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Such a pleasure to meet you.
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Thank you.
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Funlayo wood is a Harvard
student of African studies and
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an Ifa priestess in training.
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And Oluwole Ifakunle
is a babalawo,
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or priest, of Harlem.
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How are you?
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I'm well sir, how are you?
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I'm fine thank you.
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Very good.
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So Baba, tell me
about your religion.
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Well we have various deities.
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We have deities like Orun.
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We have Eledba.
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Eledba is the road-opener.
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Orun is the road-clearer.
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And then we have Oyansa,
who is the mother of nine.
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We have Yemoja.
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There's a variety
of different deities.
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So we
all seek some proof of god.
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Do you?
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Well the
proof comes to our divination,
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and our process of being able
to connect with our deities.
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Divination.
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Do you mean like
fortune telling?
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Divination is about
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finding one's purpose.
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You see what happens
in Yoyoga faith,
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most people are trying
to connect with gods and
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goddesses and that's
where we use or do.
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The way that
a divination is arranged
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is in what we call Odu.
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And so there are 256 different
Odu and each one can contains
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different information,
both about energy states
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that are going on around us,
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as well as all different
aspects of life.
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I can show you.
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You can?
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Sure, absolutely, yes.
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It would be our pleasure.
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Babalawo
is taking me to his personal
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shrine so I can
see how it works.
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Guys, come on in, welcome.
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Yes, welcome.
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Thank you.
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So this is my shrine over here.
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This is the place where
we make divination.
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So calling on the divine
is what we're going to do.
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If I'm going to do a divination,
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what would I ask?
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Divination is performed for most
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important things in our
lives, naming ceremonies,
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perform for weddings,
for sicknesses.
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So this is the Opon,
the Opon of Ifa.
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And this represents the four
quarters of the universe,
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so we bring in the four
quadrants of the world
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together so we can get a
glimpse into the future.
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Babalawo
starts an Ifa divination
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for Funlayo.
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16 sacred
palm nuts will help him read
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how the divine Odu energy
is going to shape her future.
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Caught all
these divinities of Africa,
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to see, to glimpse.
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The reality of this for Funlayo.
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As he passes
the palm nuts from one hand to
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the other, he counts how many
remain in his original hand.
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The markings he makes on
the board describe the Odu
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that's around Funlayo.
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It's a binary system,
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so you could have ones and
twos and so there are 256
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possible combinations of
ones and twos that can come up.
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So this
is a very auspicious sign.
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Talking about housing
and wealth coming to her.
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So she's gonna make some money!
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Yes,
something's about to happen.
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Maybe you brought me
some blessings today.
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You have an issue with housing?
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Yes, I've been looking for
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an apartment actually.
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Just last night I was
calling a woman about an
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apartment that I was
thinking about getting.
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And so we give a praise to that
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place of.
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Now Funlayo, let me ask you,
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how does this prove
god's existence to you?
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Every single
time I've received a divination,
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the advice has been on point.
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And so doing divination is
that way of glancing down,
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glancing up, glancing
side to side and just seeing
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what type of
energy is around us.
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I like to really talk about Ifa
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as being destiny.
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You know because if we are
on our destiny in our paths,
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then we are going to be
going in a direction that
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will help us to prevail
and we'll be successful and
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victorious in our life.
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Thank you for a wonderful time.
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Oh it's
my pleasure, it's my pleasure.
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The tradition
of the Yoruba says the gods
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show themselves on every
roll of a palm nut,
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toss of a coin and his
ideas come into many things.
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If you believe in god,
you can see god in every
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facet of your life.
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It's not evidence that you
can present to a scientist,
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but it's evidence
you feel inside.
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In Ethiopia, about 100,000
orthodox Christians gather to
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witness god manifest
himself in a similar way,
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to Usher in the new year.
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Historian Dr. Cynthia Khan has
traveled to Ethiopia to attend
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one of the country's
largest religious festivals,
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called Meskel.
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She's accompanied
by Solomon Gezena,
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an Ethiopian religious scholar.
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Look Cynthia,
this place is called
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Meskel square and
this is called Demera.
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This is the center piece
of this celebration,
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feast of Meskel.
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What is it?
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Its
symbolic value goes to 326 ad
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to queen Helena.
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Legend has it queen Helena,
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the mother of Roman
emperor Constantine,
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was on a pilgrimage to
Jerusalem searching for one of
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the most important relics
in Christianity, Jesus's cross.
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According to the
Ethiopian legend,
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the cross was
buried underground and
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Helena didn't know where.
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So she prayed to
god for guidance.
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God told her to erect
the giant bonfire.
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She was
told to make exactly that
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piece and fire it.
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Then after the smoke goes
up and down and indicated in...
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A big pointer
to tell her where to dig.
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Exactly, this
shows a divine intervention.
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It's a proof of god.
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Yes.
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Queen Helena
followed the smoke of her
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bonfire to discover the
location of Jesus's cross.
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The replica of that
bonfire, the Demera, is,
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to Ethiopian Christians,
a symbol of god's intervention.
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So they light this on fire?
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Yes.
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Why do they
light it and then what happens
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after that?
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Yeah, there
is an interesting prophecy
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after they light it.
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When it collapses, the
direction where it collapses
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also has a meaning.
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The direction
in which the Demera collapses
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signals a good or bad omen
for the coming year in Ethiopia.
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Every year, people flock to
Addis Ababa to take part in
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the festival, to
witness proof of god.
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There is singing, dancing
and even a re-enactment
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of Helena finding the cross.
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But what everyone awaits is
the lighting of the Demera and
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the revelation of its
prophecy for the coming year.
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So they're
all gathering there now?
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Look at them.
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Yes, exactly.
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He's blessing four
sides of the Demera.
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They light four sides?
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Like four sides of the world?
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Look, look, look at that.
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Wow, it's a little frightening,
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it's so big.
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Yes, alright.
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All eyes are now on the burning
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wooden frame of the Demera.
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If it topples to the west,
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it will be a bad
omen for Ethiopia.
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If it falls to the east,
the country will prosper.
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At east, at east.
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North, east.
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East.
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East.
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So what does that mean for the
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year in Ethiopia?
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Peace,
love, Ethiopia will shine.
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The burning of the Demera is
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no miraculous apparition.
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It's not the burning
bush that Moses saw.
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But each year the people
of Ethiopia come together
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to witness this moment.
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And together they feel
the presence of god in
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that falling fire.
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They sense an invisible
hand guiding their destiny.
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But other believers don't
look for proof of god in
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the twists of
fate that befall them.
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They see evidence of the
divine inside their bodies,
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giving them god-like powers.
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There is
an inner spark in all of us.
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You can see it in the eyes.
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Something that says,
"I'm alive."
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We can't define what it is,
but we all recognize it.
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Religions call it
the soul, a force,
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that connects us to the divine.
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And perhaps it is divine...
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Is proof of god inside us?
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I've come to one of the
coldest places in New York City,
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a cocktail bar made from ice.
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Pop this on for me.
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Right.
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Ready for the ice bar?
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I'm ready.
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Alright, perfect.
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I'm here to
meet a man who claims he can
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harness the divine
within himself.
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This is Tulku Lobsang.
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He's a Tibetan Buddhist
tantrayana master.
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And he's meditating in
a room that's kept at just
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23 degrees Fahrenheit,
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wearing only a
thin cotton t-shirt.
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Most of us wouldn't
last for more than a minute
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without wanting to run and
put on a jacket.
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Tulku Lobsang?
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Hello.
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I mean it's minus five degrees
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Celsius in here.
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That's not just cold,
that's freezing.
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Do you mind telling me...
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What you're doing?
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Ah I'm doing
one of the most sacred
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Buddhist tantrayana practice,
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what we call inner fire, tummo.
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Tummo?
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Yeah.
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And you're
not just ignoring the cold,
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you're literally changing
your body temperature,
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is that right?
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Exactly, correct.
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With the power of the
visualization and then
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generate inner heat.
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In meditating
you make this happen?
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Correct.
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00:24:00,860 --> 00:24:02,090
Alright.
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00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:05,830
I'm from Mississippi,
I hate the cold.
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Yes.
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My nose is running already.
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So I tell you what
I'm gonna do...
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I'm gonna go outside
where it's warmer...
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Yes.
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And you let me know when you're
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ready to come out.
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Okay,
I will continue practicing.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Tummo, a 900 year old form of
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Buddhist meditation, has
long fascinated scientists.
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Studies have shown that monks
practicing tummo can control
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their autonomic
nervous system and raise
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their body temperature.
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Buddhists with Lobsang's
training can raise their core
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temperature to a low fever,
about 101 degrees Fahrenheit.
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They can also
endure extreme cold,
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up to 20 degrees
below zero for hours,
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something that would give
most of us hypothermia.
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So how do you feel?
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It's good.
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Good?
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Yeah.
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This isn't
just like a party trick?
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That is the
method of to discover your
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hidden nature or you
call a Buddha nature.
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The Buddha taught his followers
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meditation as one of the
tools to obtain enlightenment,
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the goal of Buddhism.
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During the meditation,
followers are supposed to open
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their minds and keep their
thoughts away from all
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material necessity.
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Tummo is an advanced form
of meditation in which
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practitioners try to connect
to their real inner power.
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� �
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I'm curious to know whether
Tulku Lobsang finds proof of
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the divine in his practice.
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Oh my goodness, golly!
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So, you do this...
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This part of tummo?
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Correct.
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This is part of tummo, yes.
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But tummo is not
only this exercise.
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Most important, tummo
use the power of mind.
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This is how
you get into a state where you
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isolate your inner
energy, your inner power?
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Correct.
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With the power of exercise,
with the holding the breath
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and with the concentration and
you open all of your channels
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and then all energy flowing
and then inner fire come in
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and then bliss come in
and then you experience
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non-conceptional state of
mind what Buddhists call...
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Non-conceptual?
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Yeah,
non-conceptual state of mind
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means mind without any thought.
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That's what we
call Buddha nature.
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The non-conceptual state of mind
520
00:27:27,530 --> 00:27:30,500
reminds of me of pentecostal
Christians who surrender
521
00:27:30,530 --> 00:27:33,500
themselves to the
holy spirit to speak in an
522
00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:35,700
unintelligible language.
523
00:27:39,370 --> 00:27:42,640
It reminds me of the Masong
in Thailand who are possessed
524
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,350
by the Taoist gods during
the nine emperor gods festival.
525
00:27:48,780 --> 00:27:52,090
People in both of these
faiths find proof of a
526
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:55,460
higher power in these rituals.
527
00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:58,730
But Buddhists hope to find
in their most elevated moments
528
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,460
is not god, but
their Buddha nature.
529
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:10,770
So in Buddhism, you don't
use the term or the idea
530
00:28:10,810 --> 00:28:12,410
of the divine.
531
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,240
We don't believe this kind of
532
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:21,350
traditional, maybe god, or
this select god but we believe
533
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,750
we all have a Buddha nature.
534
00:28:24,790 --> 00:28:26,850
We all want to be happy.
535
00:28:26,890 --> 00:28:29,290
Nobody wants suffering.
536
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,560
The Buddha nature,
537
00:28:30,590 --> 00:28:32,490
is that sort of like
the divine is inside?
538
00:28:32,530 --> 00:28:33,630
Correct.
539
00:28:33,660 --> 00:28:35,260
That it is where it is.
540
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:36,540
That's correct, that's correct.
541
00:28:36,570 --> 00:28:38,230
Okay, well now,
542
00:28:38,270 --> 00:28:39,630
see that resonates with me also.
543
00:28:39,670 --> 00:28:40,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
544
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,240
I believe
that divine is what's within us.
545
00:28:43,270 --> 00:28:44,700
Correct, that's it.
546
00:28:44,740 --> 00:28:46,770
But what
you are saying, I think,
547
00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:48,170
is that through tummo...
548
00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:49,710
Yes.
549
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:51,810
You can
pretty much get in touch with,
550
00:28:51,850 --> 00:28:54,850
you can express
your inner energy.
551
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,480
You can manifest sort
of like the divine?
552
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,390
Correct.
553
00:28:59,420 --> 00:29:01,190
Ah, thank you very for all this.
554
00:29:01,220 --> 00:29:03,290
It's really, really amazing.
555
00:29:03,330 --> 00:29:05,230
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
556
00:29:05,260 --> 00:29:07,060
But do you
mind if I go get a cup of
557
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:08,176
hot chocolate or something?
558
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,430
It's alright with you?
559
00:29:09,460 --> 00:29:11,200
That's perfect to me.
560
00:29:11,230 --> 00:29:12,730
Right, let's go.
561
00:29:12,770 --> 00:29:15,300
That was more than impressive.
562
00:29:15,340 --> 00:29:20,510
That was a Buddhist tantrayana
master who has learned through
563
00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:25,040
years of practice to tap
into a source of power within
564
00:29:25,810 --> 00:29:30,220
himself and doesn't think
of himself as special.
565
00:29:30,250 --> 00:29:32,490
He says it's his Buddha nature,
566
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,820
a divine power that we all have.
567
00:29:35,860 --> 00:29:38,220
We just have to find it.
568
00:29:38,260 --> 00:29:42,360
I like that idea, that there
is proof of god in all of us,
569
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:48,370
if we're willing to look for it.
570
00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:51,540
Buddhists believe tummo
can help them harness
571
00:29:51,570 --> 00:29:54,740
a divine inner power.
572
00:29:59,650 --> 00:30:03,680
In southwestern African,
there is an ancient people who
573
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,720
believe they find proof of
god by harnessing the power of
574
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,760
ancestor spirits and
using it to cure the sick.
575
00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:16,900
Namibian academic,
Ndapelwei Feni Nakanyete,
576
00:30:16,930 --> 00:30:20,130
has been traveling for days
to reach a remote village in
577
00:30:20,170 --> 00:30:22,770
Namibia where this rare
healing ceremony is about
578
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,510
to take place.
579
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:33,210
Hello.
580
00:30:33,250 --> 00:30:34,580
Hello.
581
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:37,280
Welcome to the village.
582
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,190
Thank you so much.
583
00:30:39,220 --> 00:30:43,760
Leon Semhow
is a member of the San tribe.
584
00:30:43,790 --> 00:30:47,360
The San are one of the
oldest communities on earth.
585
00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:50,576
It's estimated that they've
been performing their
586
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,730
traditional healing trance
dance for 20,000 years.
587
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,210
I understand that San people
588
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,410
have quite a complex religion.
589
00:31:04,450 --> 00:31:06,780
So these people,
it's not going to church.
590
00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:10,720
They just know that there's god.
591
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,520
Our people also
connect to their ancestors,
592
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,190
people that die a long time ago.
593
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:20,860
Some of them will come
back as a bad spirit and
594
00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:24,230
some of them will
come as a good spirit,
595
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:29,500
that is help them chasing
the bad spirit away.
596
00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:31,570
So you mean that there is a
597
00:31:31,610 --> 00:31:35,410
god that protects the
San people and then there are
598
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,180
ancestors that heal the people.
599
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:39,350
Yeah, exactly.
600
00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:42,150
We have people
that we call healers.
601
00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:46,850
And those connect to
their ancestors who die
602
00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:50,390
a long time ago.
603
00:31:50,830 --> 00:31:53,490
The San see
physical pain and illness as
604
00:31:53,530 --> 00:31:58,300
proof that evil spirits
have invaded their bodies.
605
00:32:00,470 --> 00:32:04,300
Village healers use a trance
dance to summon good spirits
606
00:32:04,340 --> 00:32:08,040
that they believe
will cure the sick.
607
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,790
This is the
Jarub song and if you're doing
608
00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:23,590
the songs, you
have to start with their song.
609
00:32:24,390 --> 00:32:27,130
Where ever you see
people doing this,
610
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,500
it's when someone is sick.
611
00:32:29,530 --> 00:32:31,200
Among those
hoping for relief on this
612
00:32:31,230 --> 00:32:35,130
night is Busa Klam Kumta.
613
00:32:35,170 --> 00:32:38,340
She's been suffering
from leg pains for days.
614
00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:43,380
The singing, clapping
and dancing will send the
615
00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:47,180
San healer, a village
elder named Kunta boo,
616
00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:51,250
into a trance state.
617
00:32:51,790 --> 00:32:54,390
That's when the good spirits
of his ancestors will possess
618
00:32:54,420 --> 00:32:58,320
him so he can heal Busa.
619
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,690
So the more he likes the song,
620
00:33:01,730 --> 00:33:03,760
the quicker he will trance?
621
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,400
Yeah, yeah.
622
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:07,670
Interesting.
623
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,340
For the San,
when the healer enters the
624
00:33:11,370 --> 00:33:15,480
trance, they get a glimpse
into the world of the divine.
625
00:33:25,620 --> 00:33:31,120
� �
626
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:33,890
He's now in trance and
627
00:33:33,930 --> 00:33:37,060
he's healing people.
628
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:42,600
A person is the only
way you can heal.
629
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,240
Meaning he is connected to
630
00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:47,740
their ancestor and the
ancestor live in him and
631
00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:49,810
where to touch.
632
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,410
Yeah.
633
00:33:51,450 --> 00:33:52,510
And where to heal.
634
00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:53,810
And what to do.
635
00:33:53,850 --> 00:33:55,110
And what to do.
636
00:33:55,150 --> 00:33:58,720
Yeah.
637
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,530
This is real.
638
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:16,300
It's not just singing
and doing something else.
639
00:34:16,340 --> 00:34:20,110
He is healing people.
640
00:34:24,910 --> 00:34:27,350
The dance
won't end and the healer won't
641
00:34:27,380 --> 00:34:32,190
be himself until he's chased
away the evil spirits.
642
00:34:33,890 --> 00:34:36,620
The next morning, Feni has
returned to the village to see
643
00:34:36,660 --> 00:34:40,290
if the spirits did
in fact help Busa.
644
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,400
I have never ever in my life
645
00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:48,530
seen something like that before.
646
00:34:48,570 --> 00:34:51,400
Busa, you were one
of the people that were
647
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,410
healed last night.
648
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,710
How are you doing today?
649
00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:05,450
I was
actually suffering from back
650
00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:07,850
pains and my legs.
651
00:35:07,890 --> 00:35:10,660
But this morning when
I was doing everything,
652
00:35:10,690 --> 00:35:14,160
it was feeling very good.
653
00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:17,460
Your legs are now fine,
654
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:21,230
your back pain is gone.
655
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:24,470
And I hope it doesn't
come back any more.
656
00:35:27,180 --> 00:35:29,740
The sans
see proof of the divine in the
657
00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:33,780
healing power of their
medicine men and perhaps on
658
00:35:33,820 --> 00:35:37,280
some level the healing works
because of that belief
659
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,650
in a divine connection.
660
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,190
Which raises an
interesting question.
661
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:48,330
To find proof, do we need faith?
662
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:54,470
For many religions,
channeling the divine is their
663
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:57,240
proof of god.
664
00:35:57,270 --> 00:36:02,280
But for another faith,
the proof is in god's words.
665
00:36:06,450 --> 00:36:09,520
I have always
had a thirst for knowledge.
666
00:36:09,550 --> 00:36:12,690
Still read everything
I can get my hands on.
667
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,890
This instinct to learn
about our world and try to
668
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,660
understand it is universal.
669
00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:24,160
Civilization itself is based
on our drive for knowledge.
670
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:31,470
But does that knowledge bring
us closer to proof of god?
671
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:34,640
The answer to that may depend
on whether you believe the
672
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:40,810
words we write come from
our minds or from god.
673
00:36:41,950 --> 00:36:45,590
All of the world's major
religions have a sacred text.
674
00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:49,590
The Sikhs have a book called
the guru Granth sahib.
675
00:36:51,630 --> 00:36:54,530
The Jewish faith has the torah.
676
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:58,460
Both offer divine wisdom
to their followers.
677
00:37:08,780 --> 00:37:12,410
I'm at the Islamic center
in Washington DC to see
678
00:37:12,450 --> 00:37:16,080
how the words of the Koran
are more than holy wisdom
679
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,250
for the Muslim faithful.
680
00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:21,290
They are proof of god.
681
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,330
Dr. Amir Hussein is a scholar
of the Islamic tradition.
682
00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:32,600
Amir?
683
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:33,846
Mr. Freeman,
honored to see you sir.
684
00:37:33,870 --> 00:37:35,300
How are you?
685
00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:36,700
Thank you.
686
00:37:36,740 --> 00:37:40,170
I'm very well indeed,
nice to see you.
687
00:37:40,210 --> 00:37:43,740
This is rather elaborate...
688
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:46,580
So the first thing that
occurred to me when I walked
689
00:37:46,610 --> 00:37:50,880
in here was, "I wonder
what that chandelier weighs?"
690
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,750
It's huge.
691
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:55,150
There's a verse in the Koran
about god is the light of the
692
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:57,290
heavens and the earth.
693
00:37:57,330 --> 00:38:01,260
Now up there,
what are we looking at?
694
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:04,700
What you see
are verses from the Koran.
695
00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:08,700
So right here up in the
light, this malhar, Al-rahman,
696
00:38:08,740 --> 00:38:11,540
Al-Raheem literally in the
name of god, the merciful,
697
00:38:11,570 --> 00:38:13,140
the compassionate.
698
00:38:13,170 --> 00:38:14,470
Al-rahman, merciful.
699
00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:16,480
Al-Raheem, the compassionate.
700
00:38:16,510 --> 00:38:19,350
So those are
two of the names of god.
701
00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:22,650
So, then
calligraphy has a special
702
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,820
place and meaning?
703
00:38:24,850 --> 00:38:27,290
Absolutely.
704
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,190
To make beauty out of those
letters, out of those words,
705
00:38:31,230 --> 00:38:33,190
is really important for Muslims.
706
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:36,460
You know, through the
words that god speaks.
707
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:39,370
For Christians, god's
word is the Bible.
708
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,700
But gods word really is Jesus.
709
00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:43,700
You know, god to come
to earth in the flesh.
710
00:38:43,740 --> 00:38:47,570
For Muslims, the Koran is
god come to earth in a book.
711
00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:50,880
So the very words of the
Koran are the words of god.
712
00:38:50,910 --> 00:38:53,710
Proof of god is the Koran.
713
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:55,280
Is the Koran.
714
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,120
The fact that it exists.
715
00:38:57,150 --> 00:38:58,650
Absolutely that it exists,
716
00:38:58,690 --> 00:39:01,650
that god reveals god's self
to human beings in these words.
717
00:39:01,690 --> 00:39:03,520
And in these words in Arabic,
718
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,460
80% of Muslims don't
use Arabic as their
719
00:39:05,490 --> 00:39:07,130
day to day language.
720
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,400
But the words of the Koran
are always in Arabic.
721
00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:26,110
In the mosque courtyard,
722
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:30,220
Amir shows me verses
that every Muslim knows,
723
00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:34,690
ones that explain how god
shows himself in the Koran.
724
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:38,260
So these are the
very first words of the Koran,
725
00:39:38,290 --> 00:39:40,590
the first versus
revealed to the prophet.
726
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:42,130
Is that right there?
727
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,660
Right there.
728
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:45,906
Saying Bismillah, Al-rahman,
Al-Raheem, in the name of god,
729
00:39:45,930 --> 00:39:47,700
the merciful, the compassionate.
730
00:39:47,740 --> 00:39:50,470
Recite in the name of your lord.
731
00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:54,570
And then here, recite your
lord is the most generous who
732
00:39:54,610 --> 00:39:56,810
taught by the pen.
733
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,710
Taught the human being what
the human being did not know.
734
00:40:00,750 --> 00:40:03,750
That's the crucial importance
here, that god teaches us,
735
00:40:03,790 --> 00:40:07,790
but god teaches us with god's
pen and that's why the pen,
736
00:40:07,820 --> 00:40:11,890
the writing, the calligraphy
is so important for Muslims.
737
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:17,500
We have, very fortunately,
one of the great calligraphers
738
00:40:17,530 --> 00:40:20,530
in the Islamic world, the
best American calligrapher,
739
00:40:20,570 --> 00:40:22,840
Mohamed Zakariya,
who's with us here.
740
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:24,840
Let's come down and meet him.
741
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:26,240
Brother Mohamed...
742
00:40:30,210 --> 00:40:31,956
I want to introduce
you to Mr. Morgan Freeman.
743
00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:32,850
How do you do, sir?
744
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,480
What a delight.
745
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,710
You're an American?
746
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:36,880
Pale face.
747
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,250
Pale.
748
00:40:38,290 --> 00:40:39,250
California boy.
749
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:41,650
You won't get paler than me.
750
00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:43,190
But you've taken up this very
751
00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:44,520
interesting art.
752
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,960
Yeah, I was a machinist,
753
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:47,190
I was a precisionist.
754
00:40:47,230 --> 00:40:49,860
When we're doing calligraphy,
we're talking about making a
755
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:55,200
line by eye that is within
half a thousandth of an inch,
756
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,470
deviation from good and bad.
757
00:40:57,510 --> 00:41:00,570
And so I saw these
calligraphies and they were
758
00:41:00,610 --> 00:41:02,880
kind of an inspiration
to me at the time and I
759
00:41:02,910 --> 00:41:04,540
converted to Islam.
760
00:41:04,580 --> 00:41:07,210
Is it
possible to see your studio,
761
00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:08,480
where you work?
762
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,380
Absolutely, I invite you.
763
00:41:18,190 --> 00:41:23,730
It would seem
to me that that takes enormous
764
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,370
concentration to make a line
and take a breath and continue
765
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,240
that line without showing
you where I took the breath.
766
00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:35,670
The thing
is, as your pen is moving,
767
00:41:35,710 --> 00:41:40,180
you can actually forget
what you're doing.
768
00:41:40,210 --> 00:41:44,280
There's a rhythm,
the whole thing flows and
769
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,360
it becomes visual
music in a sense.
770
00:41:51,860 --> 00:41:54,290
Okay,
so what does that part mean?
771
00:41:54,330 --> 00:41:55,630
What does it say?
772
00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:57,100
Yeah.
773
00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:58,900
"Whoever
does a work based on what
774
00:41:58,930 --> 00:42:00,730
he knows from his knowledge,
775
00:42:00,770 --> 00:42:03,100
god causes him
to inherit a knowledge
776
00:42:03,140 --> 00:42:07,410
that he didn't know he had"
and so that's a famous one.
777
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,640
Ah yes, I love that.
778
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,780
It's one
of the few lines that I've
779
00:42:11,810 --> 00:42:14,250
ever written that I really
think that has that flow.
780
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,880
Life.
781
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,380
Yeah.
782
00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:19,290
Otherwise, it's just writing.
783
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,820
It just sits there, you know?
784
00:42:20,860 --> 00:42:22,536
It's the difference
between, well you know,
785
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,790
a good hot dog
and a great hot dog.
786
00:42:26,730 --> 00:42:29,500
That is
not just good, Mohamed...
787
00:42:29,530 --> 00:42:33,500
This is awesome.
788
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:50,550
for Muslims, the Koran is the
holy revelation of god's word.
789
00:42:50,590 --> 00:42:53,350
And so the very existence
of the words of the Koran
790
00:42:53,390 --> 00:42:55,690
is proof of god.
791
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:59,560
Drawing these words has
become a high form of art,
792
00:42:59,590 --> 00:43:04,830
a way to invoke the presence
of god and all who gaze at them.
793
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,670
No matter which
language you speak.
794
00:43:12,310 --> 00:43:15,810
For most of reported history,
795
00:43:16,340 --> 00:43:20,450
our knowledge was
connected to religion.
796
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,650
But today, religion
often seems at odds with
797
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,850
another way of understanding
the world, science.
798
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,390
Some even see science
as supplanting faith.
799
00:43:32,430 --> 00:43:34,860
Physicists discovered
the god particle,
800
00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:39,470
so do we still need god?
801
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,440
I'm meeting with theoretical
physicist art Leween at the
802
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:47,210
New York botanical garden.
803
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:50,410
He thinks science doesn't
replace god, instead,
804
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,680
it leads us to him.
805
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:59,350
So, you're a
theoretical physicist, art.
806
00:43:59,390 --> 00:44:01,390
Why do you want to
meet me in this place?
807
00:44:01,420 --> 00:44:04,120
Well, I thought
it would help us talk about god.
808
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,820
Huh?
809
00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:07,730
Well, let me show you this...
810
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,630
Wait, wait, wait, wait...
811
00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:14,900
How does plant life and
a theoretical physicist
812
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:16,900
get us to god?
813
00:44:16,940 --> 00:44:18,400
Let me show you this leaf.
814
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,440
Okay, so it's beautiful.
815
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:22,570
Yeah, it is.
816
00:44:22,610 --> 00:44:24,380
And there's
something about looking at
817
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:27,310
nature that makes us
sense awe and wonder,
818
00:44:27,350 --> 00:44:29,880
something beyond ourselves.
819
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,150
Any of us can look at this
and we sense something of
820
00:44:32,190 --> 00:44:33,850
the beauty of nature.
821
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:39,590
And I think that beauty
points us towards god.
822
00:44:48,270 --> 00:44:51,670
Well you know there's a
widespread sense that as
823
00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:54,870
scientists discover more and
more about the natural world,
824
00:44:54,910 --> 00:44:56,780
you're kind of taking
away the wonder and
825
00:44:56,810 --> 00:44:58,710
taking away the awe.
826
00:44:58,750 --> 00:45:00,680
Right, if you can explain it...
827
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:03,520
You don't need god
creating it, right?
828
00:45:03,550 --> 00:45:05,480
Yeah, well I think
it's the other way around.
829
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:11,560
So I think the more we
learn about the world,
830
00:45:11,590 --> 00:45:14,430
it points more towards
god, rather than less.
831
00:45:14,460 --> 00:45:16,460
But as a physicist you deal in
832
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:18,500
photons and equations.
833
00:45:18,530 --> 00:45:20,400
Where's the god in that?
834
00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:23,400
Well I do think
mathematics is as beautiful as
835
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,900
any nature scene that
you see around you,
836
00:45:25,940 --> 00:45:28,670
possibly some are
even more beautiful.
837
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:31,140
Let me give you an example.
838
00:45:31,450 --> 00:45:34,410
So this is the Dirac equation.
839
00:45:34,450 --> 00:45:36,180
That's the Dirac equation?
840
00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:37,680
That's right.
841
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:40,790
And so Paul Dirac, a very
famous mathematical physicist
842
00:45:40,820 --> 00:45:44,260
was thinking about what
happens when very small things,
843
00:45:44,290 --> 00:45:47,260
described by quantum
mechanics, go very fast,
844
00:45:47,290 --> 00:45:49,390
described by
Einstein's relativity.
845
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:51,930
He put these things together
and you get this equation.
846
00:45:51,970 --> 00:45:54,670
And what's amazing about
this equation is that it
847
00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:57,540
predicted the existence of
antimatter well before we
848
00:45:57,570 --> 00:45:59,240
saw it in nature.
849
00:45:59,270 --> 00:46:01,410
So the mathematics, as it were,
850
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,880
forced the natural world
to have antimatter and
851
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:05,140
it was by...
852
00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:09,410
It's amazing and this piece,
853
00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:11,120
this really beautiful
little equation,
854
00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:14,220
has discovered antimatter
in it, right there.
855
00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:16,490
Dirac's
mathematical insight revealed
856
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,420
hidden aspects
of the universe...
857
00:46:21,330 --> 00:46:24,200
And helped us
understand the big bang,
858
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:26,270
its moment of creation.
859
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:27,770
Okay, so Dirac did this?
860
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,300
Yeah.
861
00:46:29,340 --> 00:46:30,540
What did you want to do?
862
00:46:30,570 --> 00:46:32,840
Well I wanted to
discover an equation like this
863
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:36,610
that maybe describes
what life is.
864
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:42,310
So if you do find this equation,
865
00:46:42,350 --> 00:46:44,550
do you think that
would be proof of god?
866
00:46:44,590 --> 00:46:47,820
It's important
to remember what god is.
867
00:46:47,860 --> 00:46:49,660
God is not a thing
out there in the universe
868
00:46:49,690 --> 00:46:51,190
that we look for.
869
00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:53,560
It's the other way around.
870
00:46:53,590 --> 00:46:56,860
God is the reason why
there is a universe.
871
00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:59,100
So that means I can't
prove god the way I can prove
872
00:46:59,130 --> 00:47:01,300
something scientifically.
873
00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:02,670
But let me give you an example.
874
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:04,870
When I married my wife,
if I say to her,
875
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:08,310
"look, I don't believe
that you love me until you
876
00:47:08,340 --> 00:47:10,840
give me evidence
to the contrary."
877
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,880
So instead what I
have to do is I have to
878
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,350
take a step of faith and
believe that she loves me.
879
00:47:19,390 --> 00:47:22,120
As I get to know my wife better,
880
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,190
our love grows and
my confidence that she
881
00:47:25,230 --> 00:47:27,160
loves me grows.
882
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:30,400
In the same way, as I
get to know god better,
883
00:47:30,430 --> 00:47:35,300
my confidence that
god exists grows.
884
00:47:45,550 --> 00:47:49,310
That was
a fascinating conversation.
885
00:47:49,350 --> 00:47:51,650
Too many people think of
science and faith as two
886
00:47:51,690 --> 00:47:56,560
opposing world views,
each trying to tear the
887
00:47:56,590 --> 00:47:59,060
other one down.
888
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,230
But nothing can be
further from the truth.
889
00:48:02,260 --> 00:48:06,270
Art believes that you can find
god in scientific knowledge.
890
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:10,300
The deeper he goes, the
more he sees science of god.
891
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:12,800
I mean after all the
very fact that we were here
892
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,070
asking these questions
is miraculous.
893
00:48:15,110 --> 00:48:16,680
Hm?
894
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:20,610
So why not take
that leap of faith?
895
00:48:27,790 --> 00:48:31,360
We've spent thousands of years
searching for proof of god.
896
00:48:33,590 --> 00:48:37,760
Some feel his presence
guiding them through life.
897
00:48:38,170 --> 00:48:40,530
Others believe they can
channel the divine through
898
00:48:40,570 --> 00:48:43,340
their bodies.
899
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,510
Or see him in the intricate
wonder of the universe.
900
00:48:51,550 --> 00:48:54,910
So much in our world has
changed from the world our
901
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:58,720
ancestors lived in.
902
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,290
When we first began to think
about god and began to look
903
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,190
for proof of him, but how
much has changed really?
904
00:49:09,500 --> 00:49:13,200
Yes, we have vast amounts
of scientific knowledge and
905
00:49:13,230 --> 00:49:16,800
it's tempting to think
that we may one day try to
906
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,810
use that knowledge
to prove or disprove god.
907
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,150
But we're still all
just sitting here,
908
00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:31,420
surrounded by creation,
amazed at its complexity,
909
00:49:33,250 --> 00:49:36,820
its scope, its beauty.
910
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:40,860
We will always yearn to
make sense of the seemingly
911
00:49:40,890 --> 00:49:44,860
chance events that guide
the course of our lives and
912
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:48,830
we will still, I believe,
be faced with the gap between
913
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:51,270
knowledge and doubt.
914
00:49:51,310 --> 00:49:54,470
A place where we will
always be able to find god.
915
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:59,070
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