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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,712 --> 00:00:13,390 A grisly discovery 2 00:00:13,414 --> 00:00:16,426 in the town of Sangre de Cristo this morning and a number 3 00:00:16,450 --> 00:00:19,429 of SDC residents are reportedly still missing, 4 00:00:19,453 --> 00:00:21,365 because as one police spokesman put it, 5 00:00:21,389 --> 00:00:23,267 the whole town is a crime scene. 6 00:00:23,291 --> 00:00:26,170 You spend 30 years patrolling this border, 7 00:00:26,194 --> 00:00:27,637 you're gonna see some horrible things. 8 00:00:27,661 --> 00:00:30,006 We all thought it was a mass murder case, 9 00:00:30,030 --> 00:00:31,141 a serial killer. 10 00:00:31,165 --> 00:00:33,143 Our thoughts and prayers go out 11 00:00:33,167 --> 00:00:36,546 to the families of the Sangre de Cristo victims. 12 00:00:36,570 --> 00:00:39,015 A person of interest was detained. 13 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:40,884 We found the suspect covered in blood. 14 00:00:40,908 --> 00:00:43,353 38-Year-old Francisco Salazar, 15 00:00:43,377 --> 00:00:46,790 an illegal immigrant, has been charged with over two dozen 16 00:00:46,814 --> 00:00:48,192 counts of first degree murder. 17 00:00:48,216 --> 00:00:50,827 Everybody seems so shocked about this. 18 00:00:50,851 --> 00:00:55,232 Not me, because I know what these people are capable of. 19 00:00:55,256 --> 00:00:58,602 If this guy actually killed the whole fucking town, 20 00:00:58,626 --> 00:01:00,170 kill him. 21 00:01:00,194 --> 00:01:01,471 Fry his ass. 22 00:01:01,495 --> 00:01:03,140 A serial killer, that was pretty 23 00:01:03,164 --> 00:01:04,608 much the general consensus. 24 00:01:04,632 --> 00:01:06,810 Francisco Salazar remains jailed 25 00:01:06,834 --> 00:01:11,047 under high security in Hinzman. 26 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:12,949 But then the photos emerged. 27 00:01:12,973 --> 00:01:15,352 It changed... it change everything 28 00:01:15,376 --> 00:01:19,323 that we thought about. 29 00:01:19,347 --> 00:01:22,526 I don't understand. 30 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:24,418 Why did you keep taking pictures? 31 00:01:34,595 --> 00:01:36,740 Do you own a gun? 32 00:01:36,764 --> 00:01:40,310 I do, and ever since I've seen these photographs 33 00:01:40,334 --> 00:01:42,503 I've been sleeping with it under my pillow. 34 00:02:03,524 --> 00:02:06,136 Although the area has been cordoned off 35 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:07,837 by police, sources say authorities 36 00:02:07,861 --> 00:02:10,931 have been unable to quantify a specific body count. 37 00:02:14,602 --> 00:02:17,847 In what's being described as a likely mass murder scene, 38 00:02:17,871 --> 00:02:21,218 police recovered the bodies of over a dozen victims 39 00:02:21,242 --> 00:02:23,076 in various sites throughout the town. 40 00:02:28,682 --> 00:02:30,994 Police are combing the town's two square miles 41 00:02:31,018 --> 00:02:34,398 as they begin to unearth more clues to this shocking tragedy. 42 00:02:34,422 --> 00:02:40,237 We've got a body here. 43 00:02:40,261 --> 00:02:41,805 The body count in what police are 44 00:02:41,829 --> 00:02:45,742 calling the Sangre de Cristo Massacre has risen to over 20. 45 00:02:45,766 --> 00:02:48,745 Residents of nearby Hinzman and the border communities 46 00:02:48,769 --> 00:02:52,115 are encouraged to avoid the general SDC area 47 00:02:52,139 --> 00:02:54,251 and to report any tips or suspicious 48 00:02:54,275 --> 00:02:56,376 behavior to the authorities. 49 00:03:45,693 --> 00:03:49,273 In all my years of law enforcement, 50 00:03:49,297 --> 00:03:54,244 I've never come across anything like this. 51 00:03:54,268 --> 00:03:57,347 God abandoned Sangre de Cristo. 52 00:03:57,371 --> 00:03:58,639 There's nothing left. 53 00:04:05,178 --> 00:04:08,692 It still amazes me that the largest single-day homicide 54 00:04:08,716 --> 00:04:12,095 in history of the state of Arizona got no attention, 55 00:04:12,119 --> 00:04:15,632 zero media coverage. 56 00:04:15,656 --> 00:04:18,268 It's hard to imagine the scale of the carnage. 57 00:04:18,292 --> 00:04:20,504 Most bodies were only partial remains, 58 00:04:20,528 --> 00:04:23,807 scraps of bloody clothing, limbs in the street. 59 00:04:23,831 --> 00:04:26,343 Some bloody trails ran out to a quarter mile 60 00:04:26,367 --> 00:04:28,745 as if the bodies had been dragged. 61 00:04:28,769 --> 00:04:31,114 Other trails veered out into the surrounding deserts 62 00:04:31,138 --> 00:04:33,082 and just disappeared. 63 00:04:33,106 --> 00:04:39,479 All of them men, women, children gone in one night. 64 00:04:42,082 --> 00:04:44,160 I've been a writer since 1995. 65 00:04:44,184 --> 00:04:46,029 I've written five different books. 66 00:04:46,053 --> 00:04:48,798 I worked for a couple of years as an investigative reporter 67 00:04:48,822 --> 00:04:50,133 in Los Angeles. 68 00:04:50,157 --> 00:04:51,801 We covered all the things that "LA Times" didn't cover. 69 00:04:51,825 --> 00:04:53,703 Every place is known for something. 70 00:04:53,727 --> 00:04:58,932 South Arizona, the Vanishing Capital of the United States. 71 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:05,515 It's true. 72 00:05:05,539 --> 00:05:06,683 There's been more than a few that have 73 00:05:06,707 --> 00:05:08,017 gone missing from the area. 74 00:05:08,041 --> 00:05:10,654 But look what's going on... drug trafficking, 75 00:05:10,678 --> 00:05:15,392 human trafficking, smuggling, weapons, gang activity. 76 00:05:15,416 --> 00:05:17,226 There's no place that has more crime 77 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:18,919 than here in the borderlands. 78 00:05:24,224 --> 00:05:28,004 You lose one person, that's a tragedy. 79 00:05:28,028 --> 00:05:33,000 To see a whole town wiped out... 80 00:05:37,204 --> 00:05:38,147 We got lucky. 81 00:05:38,171 --> 00:05:39,483 It was their town, not ours. 82 00:05:39,507 --> 00:05:41,951 It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. 83 00:05:41,975 --> 00:05:43,319 Wake up. Listen to me. 84 00:05:43,343 --> 00:05:45,154 I've been telling you this for years, 85 00:05:45,178 --> 00:05:46,556 but you've ignored me up to now. 86 00:05:46,580 --> 00:05:49,058 I'm telling you, you can't ignore me anymore. 87 00:05:49,082 --> 00:05:50,860 A person of interest 88 00:05:50,884 --> 00:05:53,830 was detained as he attempted to flee across the border. 89 00:05:53,854 --> 00:05:57,367 He is reportedly a Latino man in his 30s 90 00:05:57,391 --> 00:05:59,536 who was employed at Sangre de Cristo Ranch 91 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,871 at the time of the murders. 92 00:06:01,895 --> 00:06:06,242 I've seen 40 years of crime and violence. 93 00:06:06,266 --> 00:06:14,150 The only man that ever scared me was Francisco Salazar. 94 00:06:14,174 --> 00:06:16,686 Francisco Salazar was an illegal that had been living 95 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:18,788 in Sangre de Cristo for seven years 96 00:06:18,812 --> 00:06:21,425 after jumping the border from the Nogales, Mexico, which made 97 00:06:21,449 --> 00:06:23,192 him a pretty convenient fit. 98 00:06:23,216 --> 00:06:26,463 Even with all the things that go on around here, 99 00:06:26,487 --> 00:06:28,665 you never expect to see something like this. 100 00:06:28,689 --> 00:06:31,000 He was raving when we caught him. 101 00:06:31,024 --> 00:06:33,637 He was raving when we put him in that jail cell. 102 00:06:33,661 --> 00:06:36,506 Once he was in there, he didn't say too much. 103 00:06:36,530 --> 00:06:39,443 23 hours after they closed Sangre de Cristo down, 104 00:06:39,467 --> 00:06:41,377 Salazar staggered to desert Highway 105 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:45,415 67, 12 miles east of SDC, and collapsed 106 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:48,618 at the side of the road. 107 00:06:48,642 --> 00:06:51,755 The only truck to stop was an independent rig 108 00:06:51,779 --> 00:06:56,392 co-owned by Mario Schatzker Rio, who had just got his license. 109 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:59,863 He dragged Salazar into the cab, turned around, 110 00:06:59,887 --> 00:07:01,565 and drove him west to the nearest town 111 00:07:01,589 --> 00:07:03,767 with a hospital, Hinzman. 112 00:07:03,791 --> 00:07:07,704 The hospital contacted the cops. 113 00:07:07,728 --> 00:07:08,838 How are you doing? 114 00:07:08,862 --> 00:07:10,073 Good. 115 00:07:10,097 --> 00:07:11,508 How's Brad been? 116 00:07:11,532 --> 00:07:12,942 John Parano understands his people, 117 00:07:12,966 --> 00:07:15,411 just like his father... a little comforting, 118 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:22,586 a wink, a little bullying, a big hat, toothpick, his stories. 119 00:07:22,610 --> 00:07:24,087 It's kind of a big show. 120 00:07:24,111 --> 00:07:28,124 He never misses an opportunity to press his case, 121 00:07:28,148 --> 00:07:31,084 even if it is some cheesy public access piece. 122 00:07:38,892 --> 00:07:42,939 I was born and raised right here in Hinzman. 123 00:07:42,963 --> 00:07:46,109 I've been elected Sheriff of Hinzman County 124 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:49,012 for seven consecutive terms. 125 00:07:49,036 --> 00:07:52,716 Before that, I was a Deputy Sheriff for 10 years. 126 00:07:52,740 --> 00:07:57,677 I've devoted my entire life to the good people of this area. 127 00:08:01,749 --> 00:08:05,595 Sheriff, how would you profile Francisco Salazar? 128 00:08:05,619 --> 00:08:10,199 If there's ever a checklist for a serial killer, 129 00:08:10,223 --> 00:08:13,202 Salazar would check every box. 130 00:08:13,226 --> 00:08:14,771 He was a loner. 131 00:08:14,795 --> 00:08:17,741 He came from a low-class background. 132 00:08:17,765 --> 00:08:20,677 He had anger issues. 133 00:08:20,701 --> 00:08:24,313 His father abandoned him at an early age. 134 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:28,284 He was a drifter. 135 00:08:28,308 --> 00:08:30,820 And I actually worked with him for a little while. 136 00:08:30,844 --> 00:08:34,357 We were part of a re-roofing crew at the pharmacy. 137 00:08:34,381 --> 00:08:36,192 He was one quiet dude. 138 00:08:36,216 --> 00:08:39,629 My friend dropped his sandwich at lunch. 139 00:08:39,653 --> 00:08:41,965 Salazar takes a fucking picture of it. 140 00:08:41,989 --> 00:08:45,769 They found dead corpses of little kids out in the desert. 141 00:08:45,793 --> 00:08:48,004 A lot of folks couldn't sleep at night. 142 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:50,473 Was this the start of something bigger? 143 00:08:50,497 --> 00:08:53,376 Salazar, he's... he's La Raza. 144 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,879 So were the rest of his thugs. 145 00:08:55,903 --> 00:09:01,751 Coming here to wipe us off the map, like he did SDC. 146 00:09:01,775 --> 00:09:04,287 He did odd jobs around town. 147 00:09:04,311 --> 00:09:08,491 He painted houses of some of his eventual victims. 148 00:09:08,515 --> 00:09:11,895 Judge Jack Hudson has instituted a full media ban 149 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:14,463 with no cameras permitted in the courtroom 150 00:09:14,487 --> 00:09:16,866 and no media personnel allowed within 200 151 00:09:16,890 --> 00:09:20,804 yards of the courthouse. 152 00:09:20,828 --> 00:09:23,006 This Lawrence Ross guy, 153 00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:25,675 he came here with the wrong idea. 154 00:09:25,699 --> 00:09:27,076 Everybody saw where it was going, 155 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:30,446 so of course there was nothing but closed doors. 156 00:09:30,470 --> 00:09:31,915 Sorry. 157 00:09:31,939 --> 00:09:33,116 Look. 158 00:09:33,140 --> 00:09:37,020 We did not arrest Salazar because he was Mexican. 159 00:09:37,044 --> 00:09:39,689 We arrested Salazar because he was 160 00:09:39,713 --> 00:09:44,961 covered with 15 types of blood. 161 00:09:44,985 --> 00:09:47,330 AM 970, Hinzman Arizona. 162 00:09:47,354 --> 00:09:49,733 This is "The Gus Greer Show," and I'm Gus Greer. 163 00:09:49,757 --> 00:09:51,601 And for the next two hours, you're 164 00:09:51,625 --> 00:09:53,136 going to get the most valuable thing 165 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,572 that you've ever had in your life... an education from me. 166 00:09:56,596 --> 00:10:00,209 The Mexican, the cholo, La Raza. 167 00:10:00,233 --> 00:10:03,880 It's a culture that celebrates violence. 168 00:10:03,904 --> 00:10:06,582 They glorify death because they have nothing 169 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:09,719 else to look forward to. 170 00:10:09,743 --> 00:10:11,420 I can't say the political climate 171 00:10:11,444 --> 00:10:15,182 at the time had anything to do with the way he was treated. 172 00:10:21,554 --> 00:10:26,102 I absolutely believe that an Hispanic man who is also 173 00:10:26,126 --> 00:10:29,906 an illegal immigrant can get a fair trial 174 00:10:29,930 --> 00:10:32,275 in the state of Arizona. 175 00:10:32,299 --> 00:10:34,043 Let's not forget... 176 00:10:34,067 --> 00:10:36,746 Arizona embraced the KKK after Reconstruction. 177 00:10:36,770 --> 00:10:38,347 When we're talking about lynchings, 178 00:10:38,371 --> 00:10:41,885 Arizona had almost as many as anywhere else in the country. 179 00:10:41,909 --> 00:10:47,223 Different state, different era, same old monster... 180 00:10:47,247 --> 00:10:51,761 controlling the power structure by day, 181 00:10:51,785 --> 00:10:55,865 hiding behind masks at night. 182 00:10:55,889 --> 00:10:58,634 Make no mistake, we are at war. 183 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:00,069 You think the government's 184 00:11:00,093 --> 00:11:01,671 going to come in and save you? 185 00:11:01,695 --> 00:11:04,240 You think they're going to start putting troops on the border? 186 00:11:04,264 --> 00:11:06,676 Action has consequences, ladies and gentlemen. 187 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:09,713 And inaction has more serious consequences. 188 00:11:09,737 --> 00:11:11,280 You have a choice to make. 189 00:11:11,304 --> 00:11:14,918 Are you going to sit there and roll over, and let this tide 190 00:11:14,942 --> 00:11:17,420 roll over you and destroy you and your family, 191 00:11:17,444 --> 00:11:19,155 or are you going to stand up? 192 00:11:19,179 --> 00:11:20,957 Are you willing to fight for what's right 193 00:11:20,981 --> 00:11:25,361 and for what's yours? 194 00:11:25,385 --> 00:11:27,831 When you're talking about the history of this country, 195 00:11:27,855 --> 00:11:29,532 it's an indisputable fact... 196 00:11:29,556 --> 00:11:31,901 there are very few minorities that have gotten a fair 197 00:11:31,925 --> 00:11:34,470 trial in an all-white jury. 198 00:11:34,494 --> 00:11:37,006 They didn't need a trial. 199 00:11:37,030 --> 00:11:38,842 Public had already tried and convicted him 200 00:11:38,866 --> 00:11:40,944 before it ever even started. 201 00:11:40,968 --> 00:11:43,679 What do you get when you cross an illegal with an octopus? 202 00:11:43,703 --> 00:11:45,014 What? 203 00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:46,549 I don't know, but it sure can pick lettuce. 204 00:11:46,573 --> 00:11:47,784 A lot of lettuce. 205 00:11:47,808 --> 00:11:49,085 These damn illegal Mexicans come over 206 00:11:49,109 --> 00:11:50,854 here and do all their drugs. 207 00:11:50,878 --> 00:11:52,889 And he goes, that's not ours. 208 00:11:52,913 --> 00:11:54,490 There's all their killings and stuff. 209 00:11:54,514 --> 00:11:57,060 If you go out there like they did in the old days 210 00:11:57,084 --> 00:11:58,762 in the John Wayne movies and hang one 211 00:11:58,786 --> 00:12:00,163 where everybody can watch, then one day, 212 00:12:00,187 --> 00:12:01,921 they gonna stop doing it. 213 00:12:52,139 --> 00:12:55,451 The attorney they gave him was on his third case. 214 00:12:55,475 --> 00:12:57,821 Before that, he handled some counterfeiter 215 00:12:57,845 --> 00:13:00,824 and some petty thief. 216 00:13:00,848 --> 00:13:02,658 Salazar was his third case. 217 00:13:02,682 --> 00:13:04,727 I did my due diligence. 218 00:13:04,751 --> 00:13:08,832 I'm sworn to defend my client to the best of my ability. 219 00:13:08,856 --> 00:13:13,536 I think that I did that. 220 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:15,972 I sat in court. 221 00:13:15,996 --> 00:13:18,207 I expected to see a monster. 222 00:13:18,231 --> 00:13:19,475 I seen him. 223 00:13:19,499 --> 00:13:23,046 He was just slumped over, quiet, with a blank stare. 224 00:13:23,070 --> 00:13:25,648 There was no one else left alive to question. 225 00:13:25,672 --> 00:13:27,083 He was the only survivor. 226 00:13:27,107 --> 00:13:30,009 But Salazar never said a single word during the trial. 227 00:13:38,751 --> 00:13:43,623 Teeth marks... that's something I'm not going to get into. 228 00:13:47,427 --> 00:13:48,337 OK. 229 00:13:48,361 --> 00:13:49,705 How's it going, Bob? 230 00:13:49,729 --> 00:13:54,010 Day three of the trial, and I'm already sick to my stomach. 231 00:13:54,034 --> 00:13:57,146 I never want to hear another word about the freak 232 00:13:57,170 --> 00:13:58,614 eating the people he murdered. 233 00:13:58,638 --> 00:14:01,217 I basically believe that if he killed these people, 234 00:14:01,241 --> 00:14:02,718 I believe he should get the death 235 00:14:02,742 --> 00:14:05,354 penalty for doing what he did. 236 00:14:05,378 --> 00:14:06,422 He's an outcast. 237 00:14:06,446 --> 00:14:07,823 He should be put to death on the spot. 238 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:09,358 Lethal injection. 239 00:14:09,382 --> 00:14:10,659 Fry his ass. 240 00:14:10,683 --> 00:14:13,696 And that was the level of analysis in the courtroom... 241 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,033 a one-man serial killer army. 242 00:14:17,057 --> 00:14:18,667 They could only do forensics on seven 243 00:14:18,691 --> 00:14:22,571 partial corpses that were intact enough to be tagged and IDed. 244 00:14:22,595 --> 00:14:25,641 When pressed about identifying the other remains, 245 00:14:25,665 --> 00:14:29,612 the coroner said on the stand, how do you run DNA tests 246 00:14:29,636 --> 00:14:31,504 on 20 square blocks of bloody sand? 247 00:14:45,752 --> 00:14:50,599 They didn't notice that the teeth marks on the victims 248 00:14:50,623 --> 00:14:53,769 didn't match Francisco's teeth. 249 00:14:53,793 --> 00:14:56,705 And yet, Francisco has bite marks. 250 00:14:56,729 --> 00:14:58,141 They match the victims. 251 00:14:58,165 --> 00:14:59,566 How can you botch that? 252 00:15:09,276 --> 00:15:11,120 During the first trial, I felt like I needed 253 00:15:11,144 --> 00:15:13,489 to seek someone out who understood 254 00:15:13,513 --> 00:15:15,291 the local culture of the border. 255 00:15:15,315 --> 00:15:18,327 Carlos Olivares, second-generation border 256 00:15:18,351 --> 00:15:21,965 patrol agent, following in the footsteps of his father. 257 00:15:21,989 --> 00:15:23,732 When you grow up in this area, 258 00:15:23,756 --> 00:15:26,469 you realize that there's certain things you need to do. 259 00:15:26,493 --> 00:15:29,805 There's just a protection that needs to happen. 260 00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:32,308 Spend 30 years patrolling this border, 261 00:15:32,332 --> 00:15:34,944 you're going to see some horrible things. 262 00:15:34,968 --> 00:15:38,247 We find bodies of dead women and children, 263 00:15:38,271 --> 00:15:41,650 dehydrated bodies, sometimes just 10 feet 264 00:15:41,674 --> 00:15:43,186 from a hidden stash of water bottles. 265 00:15:43,210 --> 00:15:46,689 Lately, these last few years on patrol, 266 00:15:46,713 --> 00:15:49,425 I started seeing some things 267 00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:52,361 that are getting harder to explain... 268 00:15:52,385 --> 00:15:55,831 bodies that weren't just rotted by the sun. 269 00:15:55,855 --> 00:16:02,205 They had been chewed... not by mountain lions or buzzards. 270 00:16:02,229 --> 00:16:05,765 But nobody in my line of work talked about it. 271 00:16:21,681 --> 00:16:23,426 Whatever happened in Sangre de Cristo 272 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:26,595 couldn't have been the work of just one man. 273 00:16:26,619 --> 00:16:28,821 I didn't need a law degree to know that. 274 00:16:49,542 --> 00:16:53,389 Based on the overwhelming amount of evidence given, 275 00:16:53,413 --> 00:16:56,192 we convicted Mr. Salazar, as I remember, 276 00:16:56,216 --> 00:17:00,763 in about a half hour, which was longer than it 277 00:17:00,787 --> 00:17:01,987 probably should've taken. 278 00:17:12,265 --> 00:17:14,543 Salazar was an easy target. 279 00:17:14,567 --> 00:17:17,646 He was a person easy to dehumanize. 280 00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:20,283 To the people in Hinzman, he was just some guy 281 00:17:20,307 --> 00:17:21,450 who went from job to job. 282 00:17:21,474 --> 00:17:23,686 He would work on construction jobs. 283 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:25,221 He would do anything. 284 00:17:25,245 --> 00:17:27,323 He's minimized as being just sort of drifter... 285 00:17:27,347 --> 00:17:31,227 some cash-and-carry guy who you found on the end of a block, 286 00:17:31,251 --> 00:17:33,396 and you put in the back of a pickup, do your work, 287 00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:35,030 and you forgot about him five minutes 288 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:37,366 after you dropped him back off. 289 00:17:37,390 --> 00:17:39,902 During the first trial, I knew that Salazar 290 00:17:39,926 --> 00:17:44,173 had been interviewed on camera only once, 291 00:17:44,197 --> 00:17:46,309 on the evening he'd been taken into custody. 292 00:17:46,333 --> 00:17:49,512 I spent 13 months filling out Freedom 293 00:17:49,536 --> 00:17:51,947 of Information Act requests at both the state 294 00:17:51,971 --> 00:17:54,283 and federal level... nothing. 295 00:17:54,307 --> 00:17:57,052 The Arizona Open Meetings Act? 296 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:58,821 I got nothing. 297 00:17:58,845 --> 00:18:01,990 Until I got this video. 298 00:18:02,014 --> 00:18:06,695 Francisco interviews. 299 00:18:06,719 --> 00:18:09,532 You said that they were people that you knew, 300 00:18:09,556 --> 00:18:15,571 but something wasn't right about them. 301 00:18:15,595 --> 00:18:22,044 They were the same people, but they were dead. 302 00:18:22,068 --> 00:18:24,513 Why didn't you hear about this tape before? 303 00:18:24,537 --> 00:18:25,814 The tape was never entered 304 00:18:25,838 --> 00:18:27,583 into evidence in the first trial, 305 00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:29,352 and it was barred in the second one. 306 00:18:29,376 --> 00:18:31,720 You didn't give serious thought to using 307 00:18:31,744 --> 00:18:33,489 the video in his defense? 308 00:18:33,513 --> 00:18:34,857 Have you seen the video? 309 00:18:34,881 --> 00:18:36,359 It's not an insanity defense. 310 00:18:36,383 --> 00:18:38,527 It's... it's a suicide note. 311 00:18:38,551 --> 00:18:41,430 It sounds like the ramblings of a crazy man, sure. 312 00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:43,999 But given the evidence, his story actually made 313 00:18:44,023 --> 00:18:45,368 no more or less sense 314 00:18:45,392 --> 00:18:46,759 than the official version. 315 00:18:53,732 --> 00:18:56,214 The administrative staff were very concerned about him... 316 00:18:56,238 --> 00:19:00,308 me interviewing him not being shackled to the chair, 317 00:19:00,332 --> 00:19:01,717 which is a typical thing. 318 00:19:01,741 --> 00:19:04,820 I wanted to get rid of as many barriers as I could, 319 00:19:04,844 --> 00:19:07,523 because I could tell that he was pretty closed off emotionally, 320 00:19:07,547 --> 00:19:10,159 and he was kind of in a shell in his own head, 321 00:19:10,183 --> 00:19:15,664 and very, very, very scared. 322 00:19:15,688 --> 00:19:19,902 I said, listen, just let him come in and sit with me, 323 00:19:19,926 --> 00:19:21,237 because he was quiet. 324 00:19:21,261 --> 00:19:23,105 And you guys are outside the door. 325 00:19:23,129 --> 00:19:24,340 You've got cameras in here. 326 00:19:24,364 --> 00:19:27,276 And... and you have guns outside there. 327 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:29,511 And whatever it is that you need to do to bust in 328 00:19:29,535 --> 00:19:31,347 and what's he gonna... 329 00:19:31,371 --> 00:19:32,381 what else could he do? 330 00:19:32,405 --> 00:19:33,606 What's your name? 331 00:19:41,281 --> 00:19:44,527 It took quite a while for him to even start 332 00:19:44,551 --> 00:19:47,530 to answer any questions... his name, or where he grew up, 333 00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:52,559 or basic just, assessment stuff that we do. 334 00:20:01,534 --> 00:20:03,312 And I was wondering if, maybe, 335 00:20:03,336 --> 00:20:06,249 he was regressing back into some childhood memory 336 00:20:06,273 --> 00:20:08,975 or feeling or something. 337 00:20:16,015 --> 00:20:18,761 The level of trauma that Francisco has seemed 338 00:20:18,785 --> 00:20:21,564 to experience in his life could easily 339 00:20:21,588 --> 00:20:25,868 be compared to somebody who has come back from being 340 00:20:25,892 --> 00:20:29,638 in a combat situation. 341 00:20:29,662 --> 00:20:31,307 It doesn't matter what you do to me. 342 00:20:31,331 --> 00:20:34,176 They're still out there. 343 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:39,515 Who's out there? 344 00:20:39,539 --> 00:20:44,320 At least they can't get me in here. 345 00:20:44,344 --> 00:20:46,221 This is a guy who was facing 346 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:50,359 death, the horrors of jail. 347 00:20:50,383 --> 00:20:53,262 Yet somehow he feels safer on the inside 348 00:20:53,286 --> 00:20:55,831 than he does out here. 349 00:20:55,855 --> 00:20:59,568 In my professional opinion, even though his story sounds 350 00:20:59,592 --> 00:21:02,838 like it might be a little bit, crazy and out there, 351 00:21:02,862 --> 00:21:05,608 I did not find anything about him that was psychotic... 352 00:21:05,632 --> 00:21:08,944 his behavior, anything he said to me. 353 00:21:08,968 --> 00:21:12,171 He was, in layman's term, completely sane. 354 00:21:18,511 --> 00:21:20,757 But it didn't make any sense, 355 00:21:20,781 --> 00:21:24,284 which is why I tried for the insanity defense. 356 00:21:24,917 --> 00:21:26,862 He looked me directly in the eye, 357 00:21:26,886 --> 00:21:31,667 and he was very specific about what he was saying. 358 00:21:31,691 --> 00:21:35,404 And he never changed his story. 359 00:21:35,428 --> 00:21:38,173 Salazar wasn't crazy or... or at least 360 00:21:38,197 --> 00:21:40,376 not crazy all by himself. 361 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,611 Crazy was what he saw that night. 362 00:21:42,635 --> 00:21:46,582 Crazy was seeing everyone he knew massacred. 363 00:21:46,606 --> 00:21:50,543 Some of them are bloody, with blood everywhere. 364 00:21:55,715 --> 00:21:58,394 It's the ravings of a madman, right? 365 00:21:58,418 --> 00:22:02,097 But do you know what was really crazy? 366 00:22:02,121 --> 00:22:05,368 I had to get help. 367 00:22:05,392 --> 00:22:07,135 I took my camera... 368 00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:10,606 The arrest report listed the items on Salazar's person 369 00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:13,442 when he was dropped off by the truck driver. 370 00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:18,113 One SLR 35 millimeter camera fitted 371 00:22:18,137 --> 00:22:23,686 with a 70 to 200 millimeter lens and a flash unit. 372 00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:26,355 Everyone around here knew he was a photographer. 373 00:22:26,379 --> 00:22:28,314 He took pictures of everybody. 374 00:22:34,086 --> 00:22:35,464 It was almost involuntary. 375 00:22:35,488 --> 00:22:37,833 He just saw something, and he took a picture of it. 376 00:22:37,857 --> 00:22:40,969 And he kind of, painted a history of his life 377 00:22:40,993 --> 00:22:41,904 with it. 378 00:22:41,928 --> 00:22:43,539 Salazar was a lifelong Catholic. 379 00:22:43,563 --> 00:22:46,198 He believed in the power of the resurrection. 380 00:23:01,481 --> 00:23:04,727 He spent seven years in SDC, 381 00:23:04,751 --> 00:23:09,188 taking pictures of dead things in a dead town. 382 00:23:14,193 --> 00:23:16,639 Being an illegal, strike one. 383 00:23:16,663 --> 00:23:19,708 A loner with a camera, strike two. 384 00:23:19,732 --> 00:23:22,044 Grace Putnam was pretty much strike 385 00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:26,314 three, especially considering everything that happened. 386 00:23:26,338 --> 00:23:28,250 Grace Putnam lived in SDC. 387 00:23:28,274 --> 00:23:30,118 Francisco was a friend of the family. 388 00:23:30,142 --> 00:23:35,758 Salazar's house was... was jammed with these 389 00:23:35,782 --> 00:23:39,194 weird and... and suggestive photographs 390 00:23:39,218 --> 00:23:41,353 of children and had roadkill. 391 00:23:47,059 --> 00:23:49,672 I've looked at all of the earlier photos. 392 00:23:49,696 --> 00:23:51,540 I've spent some time with him. 393 00:23:51,564 --> 00:23:53,809 He has a photographer's eye for sure. 394 00:23:53,833 --> 00:23:56,679 The best photographer I've ever seen? 395 00:23:56,703 --> 00:23:57,780 No. 396 00:23:57,804 --> 00:24:01,617 But he definitely had a professional eye. 397 00:24:01,641 --> 00:24:03,686 The shots of the little girl... several of those 398 00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:05,187 are delicate and beautiful. 399 00:24:05,211 --> 00:24:08,891 The shots of the roadkill are a perfect counterpoint. 400 00:24:08,915 --> 00:24:11,226 You can read what you want into anything. 401 00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:14,362 That's... that's part of what makes us human, I suppose. 402 00:24:14,386 --> 00:24:17,500 The shrinks have a fancy word for it. 403 00:24:17,524 --> 00:24:19,535 It's... it's voyeur. 404 00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:21,704 My take... pervert. 405 00:24:21,728 --> 00:24:23,672 So Francisco was a photographer. 406 00:24:23,696 --> 00:24:25,641 Big fucking deal. 407 00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,409 But there was something on that tape 408 00:24:27,433 --> 00:24:31,413 I couldn't put my finger on. 409 00:24:31,437 --> 00:24:34,983 I had to get help. 410 00:24:35,007 --> 00:24:38,654 I took my camera... 411 00:24:38,678 --> 00:24:39,955 During the first trial, I tried 412 00:24:39,979 --> 00:24:41,824 to contact Schatzker Rio, the truck driver 413 00:24:41,848 --> 00:24:43,526 who picked up Salazar. 414 00:24:43,550 --> 00:24:45,260 He didn't want to talk. 415 00:24:45,284 --> 00:24:47,262 I left message after message. 416 00:24:47,286 --> 00:24:49,131 We never got together in person. 417 00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:51,734 But after the appeal was lodged, 418 00:24:51,758 --> 00:24:53,736 that's when I got this phone message. 419 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,338 Mr. Ross, I'm sending you something. 420 00:24:56,362 --> 00:24:58,340 I found it in my cab under the seat. 421 00:24:58,364 --> 00:24:59,642 Must have been there for months. 422 00:24:59,666 --> 00:25:00,976 I don't know. 423 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,579 I don't know what it is, but I don't wanna know. 424 00:25:03,603 --> 00:25:04,747 Now you have it. 425 00:25:04,771 --> 00:25:06,281 You keep me out of this, though. 426 00:25:06,305 --> 00:25:07,916 That's all I ask. 427 00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:10,819 I called him, got no reply. 428 00:25:10,843 --> 00:25:16,515 A couple of days later... 429 00:25:24,557 --> 00:25:29,371 A week later, the roll arrived. 430 00:25:29,395 --> 00:25:30,706 Excuse me, Sheriff. 431 00:25:30,730 --> 00:25:32,107 Do you want to talk us about the Salazar case, 432 00:25:32,131 --> 00:25:34,476 about how the photos are gonna affect his appeal? 433 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:37,512 No. 434 00:25:37,536 --> 00:25:40,048 What Francisco said on the tape, 435 00:25:40,072 --> 00:25:45,453 what everyone else discounted as insane ravings... turns out, 436 00:25:45,477 --> 00:25:51,560 he documented it all. 437 00:25:51,584 --> 00:25:55,063 Something primal and horrible moved through Sangre de Cristo 438 00:25:55,087 --> 00:25:56,131 that night. 439 00:25:56,155 --> 00:26:02,771 And the one survivor made a record of it. 440 00:26:02,795 --> 00:26:05,273 Francisco had a camera with him that night. 441 00:26:05,297 --> 00:26:09,477 He took it with him and recorded what he saw on 442 00:26:09,501 --> 00:26:11,614 one roll of film, 36 exposures. 443 00:26:11,638 --> 00:26:13,281 I'm still in the process 444 00:26:13,305 --> 00:26:14,650 of appealing his conviction. 445 00:26:14,674 --> 00:26:17,820 But I can't enter these photos as evidence. 446 00:26:17,844 --> 00:26:19,278 I'd be disbarred. 447 00:26:29,088 --> 00:26:32,635 All this stuff about the photographs is BS. 448 00:26:32,659 --> 00:26:35,537 Photos prove nothing... nothing. 449 00:26:35,561 --> 00:26:40,709 Many kids right here in Hinzman who could Photoshop you 450 00:26:40,733 --> 00:26:44,379 into the famous grassy knoll in Dallas 451 00:26:44,403 --> 00:26:48,307 with a smoking gun in your hand, and you'd believe it was you. 452 00:26:53,112 --> 00:26:57,425 I've been a professional photojournalist for... Jesus, 453 00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:58,761 over 40 years now. 454 00:26:58,785 --> 00:27:02,297 I've shot in 'Nam, shot in Cambodia, pretty much 455 00:27:02,321 --> 00:27:03,598 all around the world. 456 00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:06,001 These are as authentic as they get. 457 00:27:06,025 --> 00:27:08,170 Usually, when somebody is playing with film, 458 00:27:08,194 --> 00:27:08,871 you can tell. 459 00:27:08,895 --> 00:27:10,438 There's rough edges. 460 00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:13,275 There are little things that... that a professional can tell 461 00:27:13,299 --> 00:27:15,310 when looking at photography. 462 00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:17,612 You look at these pictures, there is none of that. 463 00:27:17,636 --> 00:27:21,016 These pictures are real. 464 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,918 The judge didn't want them. 465 00:27:22,942 --> 00:27:25,353 Parano didn't want them. 466 00:27:25,377 --> 00:27:26,855 It doesn't matter. 467 00:27:26,879 --> 00:27:31,660 The photos are not evidence. 468 00:27:31,684 --> 00:27:33,195 I would tell the local authorities 469 00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:36,732 that they are wrong... that these are as authentic as it gets. 470 00:27:36,756 --> 00:27:39,634 I'm frankly surprised their own people haven't 471 00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:42,771 looked at the photos and been able 472 00:27:42,795 --> 00:27:45,107 to confirm the truth of the pictures. 473 00:27:45,131 --> 00:27:47,710 I'll tell you what those photos are... 474 00:27:47,734 --> 00:27:50,336 a sick prank played by sick freaks. 475 00:27:55,975 --> 00:27:58,120 Everybody heard about the photographs. 476 00:27:58,144 --> 00:27:59,922 Nobody believed they were real. 477 00:27:59,946 --> 00:28:02,224 They were trying to make us feel sympathy for a man 478 00:28:02,248 --> 00:28:06,194 that didn't deserve any. 479 00:28:06,218 --> 00:28:08,731 The killing started, at least as far 480 00:28:08,755 --> 00:28:11,033 as Salazar's story was concerned, 481 00:28:11,057 --> 00:28:13,035 before he snapped a single frame. 482 00:28:13,059 --> 00:28:17,305 The only two explanations... either the... the guy 483 00:28:17,329 --> 00:28:21,076 went out there and staged everything, 484 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:26,281 or he's absolutely telling the truth. 485 00:28:26,305 --> 00:28:30,385 Some of them were dead. 486 00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:37,392 And some of them... 487 00:28:37,416 --> 00:28:40,528 He was babbling, and I thought I was going to lose him, 488 00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:42,097 which I eventually did. 489 00:28:42,121 --> 00:28:44,523 So I asked him to start at the beginning. 490 00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:51,139 Francisco, what were you doing 491 00:28:51,163 --> 00:28:55,878 when Danny showed up at your house? 492 00:28:55,902 --> 00:29:02,885 I was putting film in my camera. 493 00:29:02,909 --> 00:29:04,686 According to Salazar, he was loading up 494 00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:06,889 his camera, getting ready to shoot 495 00:29:06,913 --> 00:29:09,825 some dead coyotes or possums. 496 00:29:09,849 --> 00:29:11,794 But Danny shows up on his doorstep, 497 00:29:11,818 --> 00:29:14,429 bleeding out like a stuck pig. 498 00:29:14,453 --> 00:29:17,833 And then you said that he... 499 00:29:17,857 --> 00:29:20,635 and he was bleeding. 500 00:29:20,659 --> 00:29:23,906 And you tried to help him. 501 00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:27,575 And you laid him down on the couch. 502 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,945 Is that correct? 503 00:29:29,969 --> 00:29:32,247 I saw him die. 504 00:29:32,271 --> 00:29:34,817 How are you sure that he was dead? 505 00:29:34,841 --> 00:29:36,551 He was dead. 506 00:29:36,575 --> 00:29:41,623 I know he was dead. 507 00:29:41,647 --> 00:29:45,527 The police forensic reports backed up that the victim 508 00:29:45,551 --> 00:29:47,162 did die at Salazar's house. 509 00:29:47,186 --> 00:29:48,964 Danny's body was one of the few 510 00:29:48,988 --> 00:29:54,903 that could be identified, but barely. 511 00:29:54,927 --> 00:29:56,972 Danny Montez was my cousin. 512 00:29:56,996 --> 00:29:59,107 I thought he and Salazar were cool. 513 00:29:59,131 --> 00:30:02,277 Montez used to work in the fields near Salazar's house. 514 00:30:02,301 --> 00:30:04,736 This is where it gets confusing to me. 515 00:30:11,343 --> 00:30:16,458 One minute, he's alive and on your couch, and then he's dead, 516 00:30:16,482 --> 00:30:21,063 and then he's standing up, and he's coming at you, 517 00:30:21,087 --> 00:30:23,231 and you're afraid. 518 00:30:23,255 --> 00:30:25,133 He was dead. 519 00:30:25,157 --> 00:30:30,038 And then he came after me. 520 00:30:30,062 --> 00:30:31,907 And I had to stop him. 521 00:30:31,931 --> 00:30:33,441 That's what happened. 522 00:30:33,465 --> 00:30:35,743 So when he was telling me this story, 523 00:30:35,767 --> 00:30:37,312 he was very clear and concise. 524 00:30:37,336 --> 00:30:39,581 And he had seemed to, like, let a weight off his shoulders. 525 00:30:39,605 --> 00:30:41,984 And he exhaled, and he got very calm after he 526 00:30:42,008 --> 00:30:43,485 talked to me about this. 527 00:30:43,509 --> 00:30:46,421 So he's very clear in the details about what happened. 528 00:30:46,445 --> 00:30:48,390 Doesn't that seem strange to you? 529 00:30:48,414 --> 00:30:50,492 This is not something I've ever heard before. 530 00:30:50,516 --> 00:30:52,027 It's what happened. 531 00:30:52,051 --> 00:30:59,425 It was his same body and same face, but it wasn't Danny. 532 00:31:02,228 --> 00:31:06,641 Did he say anything? 533 00:31:06,665 --> 00:31:07,976 No? 534 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,444 No words? 535 00:31:09,468 --> 00:31:12,014 The boy's body was found in the middle 536 00:31:12,038 --> 00:31:13,315 of Salazar's living room. 537 00:31:13,339 --> 00:31:15,017 You stopped him. 538 00:31:15,041 --> 00:31:19,854 How did you stop him from attacking you? 539 00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:27,129 I held him. 540 00:31:27,153 --> 00:31:35,153 And I hurt him. And he stopped. 541 00:31:43,102 --> 00:31:44,770 How did you hurt him? 542 00:31:56,282 --> 00:31:58,226 That's tough evidence to overcome. 543 00:31:58,250 --> 00:32:00,162 There's no question that Francisco hacked up 544 00:32:00,186 --> 00:32:02,264 Danny Montez to pieces. 545 00:32:02,288 --> 00:32:05,200 The question is, did he kill him? 546 00:32:05,224 --> 00:32:07,335 So after... after all of that happened, 547 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:11,839 then 548 00:32:11,863 --> 00:32:13,541 I had to get help. 549 00:32:13,565 --> 00:32:16,311 If Salazar killed Montez, why would 550 00:32:16,335 --> 00:32:19,481 he run into town to get help? 551 00:32:19,505 --> 00:32:24,152 Because going south wasn't an option. 552 00:32:24,176 --> 00:32:26,612 Here is photograph 01 of the roll. 553 00:32:33,085 --> 00:32:35,730 This is the start of what Salazar saw... 554 00:32:35,754 --> 00:32:38,200 what sent him back toward town. 555 00:32:38,224 --> 00:32:40,335 This is what made him run. 556 00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:43,438 Salazar's roll of film was a map, from the edge of town 557 00:32:43,462 --> 00:32:45,931 three miles across what was left of Sangre de Cristo. 558 00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:56,384 In one way, it doesn't matter 559 00:32:56,408 --> 00:32:59,054 what you think the photos mean. 560 00:32:59,078 --> 00:33:00,555 You can deny them. 561 00:33:00,579 --> 00:33:02,890 You can look to them for clues about 562 00:33:02,914 --> 00:33:05,227 what happened to your loved one. 563 00:33:05,251 --> 00:33:07,829 You can call them a sick media joke. 564 00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:10,932 You can even hope for salvation. 565 00:33:10,956 --> 00:33:16,138 But it's something, and it's coming closer. 566 00:33:16,162 --> 00:33:18,606 Salazar lived about a mile outside of town, 567 00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:19,641 on the fringes. 568 00:33:19,665 --> 00:33:22,044 His cabin was at the foot of the hills. 569 00:33:22,068 --> 00:33:25,347 He ran away through the fields, toward the town. 570 00:33:25,371 --> 00:33:27,582 Based on the light in that first picture, 571 00:33:27,606 --> 00:33:30,852 it was about 15 minutes to sundown. 572 00:33:30,876 --> 00:33:32,320 Migrant workers were still working. 573 00:33:32,344 --> 00:33:33,755 SDC's the brown town 574 00:33:33,779 --> 00:33:35,157 that actually services Hinzman. 575 00:33:35,181 --> 00:33:37,225 That's where you get all the invisible people... 576 00:33:37,249 --> 00:33:40,595 all of the service people, all your maids, 577 00:33:40,619 --> 00:33:43,965 people who pick your food, who take care of the kids. 578 00:33:43,989 --> 00:33:46,668 When we were kids, we couldn't even pronounce the damn place. 579 00:33:46,692 --> 00:33:51,973 You're like "Shandray de Caso," "Sandray de Crystal." 580 00:33:51,997 --> 00:33:53,808 We just call it Savageland. 581 00:33:53,832 --> 00:33:56,211 The cops found what they said were the remains 582 00:33:56,235 --> 00:33:58,180 of 11 victims out in the field. 583 00:33:58,204 --> 00:33:59,914 That's just Savageland 584 00:33:59,938 --> 00:34:03,085 living down to its reputation. 585 00:34:03,109 --> 00:34:05,453 The first theory was cartels. 586 00:34:05,477 --> 00:34:09,491 SDC is in an area of major cross-border drug supply lines. 587 00:34:09,515 --> 00:34:12,994 Maybe drugs were passing through and some gang 588 00:34:13,018 --> 00:34:14,629 wanted to stake out a new territory. 589 00:34:14,653 --> 00:34:17,399 There were a lot of thieves with drugs. 590 00:34:17,423 --> 00:34:20,135 Drugs were coming in and the... the cartel was coming in 591 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,003 and influencing the young kids. 592 00:34:22,027 --> 00:34:24,672 Cartel killings are designed to make a point. 593 00:34:24,696 --> 00:34:27,942 They stack the heads up all neat like it's an altar, 594 00:34:27,966 --> 00:34:29,911 or they hang the bodies from bridges. 595 00:34:29,935 --> 00:34:31,613 It keeps people in line. 596 00:34:31,637 --> 00:34:34,382 This wasn't designed to make a point. 597 00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:35,983 This was random carnage. 598 00:34:36,007 --> 00:34:43,858 Salazar's running for cover, exposed, out in the open. 599 00:34:43,882 --> 00:34:46,961 Coming out of the fields, he headed into town. 600 00:34:46,985 --> 00:34:49,287 He came across Ron Templeton. 601 00:34:54,693 --> 00:34:56,971 Templeton was a hunter from Hinzman. 602 00:34:56,995 --> 00:35:02,510 Spent his off hours out here searching through the area. 603 00:35:02,534 --> 00:35:06,281 I used to see him all the time out here on patrol. 604 00:35:06,305 --> 00:35:07,915 I walk in the house 605 00:35:07,939 --> 00:35:09,951 and expect him to be here. 606 00:35:09,975 --> 00:35:12,654 It's hard to get used to the idea 607 00:35:12,678 --> 00:35:20,662 that he's not in here anymore. 608 00:35:20,686 --> 00:35:27,101 Did you know Ron Templeton? 609 00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:29,861 The police say that you were in his truck. 610 00:35:39,771 --> 00:35:41,440 Because he had a gun. 611 00:35:53,952 --> 00:35:56,331 Some of the victims were from Hinzman. 612 00:35:56,355 --> 00:35:59,133 Some of them were beloved members of the community. 613 00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:02,069 They were not just SDC residents. 614 00:36:02,093 --> 00:36:06,174 Ron Templeton was a member of the Founders Club. 615 00:36:06,198 --> 00:36:07,775 People loved him. 616 00:36:07,799 --> 00:36:11,679 He was such a big part of just the community, 617 00:36:11,703 --> 00:36:12,747 too. 618 00:36:12,771 --> 00:36:16,318 So every place I go and everything I do, 619 00:36:16,342 --> 00:36:19,254 I expect to see him. 620 00:36:19,278 --> 00:36:22,224 Ron Templeton was a good man. 621 00:36:22,248 --> 00:36:24,792 When he came across Salazar... 622 00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:28,963 he tried to find some good in him as well. 623 00:36:28,987 --> 00:36:31,599 And that was his big mistake. 624 00:36:31,623 --> 00:36:37,339 I tried to get him to come with me to help these people, 625 00:36:37,363 --> 00:36:40,542 to help my friends. 626 00:36:40,566 --> 00:36:42,377 So the man in the truck, 627 00:36:42,401 --> 00:36:45,737 did he shoot at the people in the field? 628 00:36:52,311 --> 00:36:53,612 What happened? 629 00:36:58,817 --> 00:36:59,961 Nothing happened. 630 00:36:59,985 --> 00:37:01,687 I didn't murder him. 631 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,172 The one thing that continues to bother me 632 00:37:11,196 --> 00:37:15,109 is Francisco Salazar taking Ron down. 633 00:37:15,133 --> 00:37:17,512 He's such a little man. 634 00:37:17,536 --> 00:37:20,615 According to the state's case, a 5 foot 9, 635 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:23,217 170-pound Francisco ran bloody and screaming 636 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:28,756 toward Ron Templeton, who's 6 foot 1, 210 pounds, and armed. 637 00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:32,394 Anyone who knew Ron knew what an expert hunter he was. 638 00:37:32,418 --> 00:37:35,397 He was an expert shot, too. 639 00:37:35,421 --> 00:37:36,898 He never missed. 640 00:37:36,922 --> 00:37:40,402 One shot is all it took to ever kill an animal. 641 00:37:40,426 --> 00:37:43,538 And for him to miss that many times that close up... 642 00:37:43,562 --> 00:37:45,497 impossible to even imagine. 643 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,528 This is where they found Templeton's truck. 644 00:38:06,552 --> 00:38:09,331 The blood trail that went off into the wash, 645 00:38:09,355 --> 00:38:10,765 then disappeared. 646 00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:13,735 We never found Ron Templeton's body. 647 00:38:13,759 --> 00:38:17,339 His wife, Eileen, will never get the closure 648 00:38:17,363 --> 00:38:19,998 that she deserves. 649 00:38:33,845 --> 00:38:35,045 Sorry. 650 00:38:43,121 --> 00:38:45,800 57 people died here. 651 00:38:45,824 --> 00:38:50,071 And the local newspaper ran one obituary... 652 00:38:50,095 --> 00:38:52,340 one white guy from Hinzman. 653 00:38:52,364 --> 00:38:54,241 Many times, I lie awake at night, 654 00:38:54,265 --> 00:38:58,279 wishing Ron had taken out Salazar right then and there. 655 00:38:58,303 --> 00:39:00,614 People tell me not to ask questions 656 00:39:00,638 --> 00:39:02,450 and keep quiet. 657 00:39:02,474 --> 00:39:04,218 And then I think, are they lying to me? 658 00:39:04,242 --> 00:39:06,388 Are they trying to make me feel this 659 00:39:06,412 --> 00:39:08,523 is the way it happened, just to make me be quiet 660 00:39:08,547 --> 00:39:12,159 and not question? 661 00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:14,128 We've lived in this town forever. 662 00:39:14,152 --> 00:39:15,987 Would they be lying to me? 663 00:39:32,103 --> 00:39:34,973 Salazar runs until he reaches the edge of town. 664 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,628 You've got Danny Montez dead. 665 00:39:46,652 --> 00:39:48,563 11 more in the field. 666 00:39:48,587 --> 00:39:50,055 That still leaves 45. 667 00:40:11,309 --> 00:40:13,378 At this time, it's about 8:00 PM. 668 00:40:23,822 --> 00:40:28,803 The more he runs, the clearer it becomes... 669 00:40:28,827 --> 00:40:33,675 he's not outrunning anything. 670 00:40:33,699 --> 00:40:35,309 When you got into town, 671 00:40:35,333 --> 00:40:39,113 what did you see? 672 00:40:39,137 --> 00:40:44,552 What did it look like? 673 00:40:44,576 --> 00:40:47,846 It was like hell. 674 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,466 People were running. 675 00:40:58,490 --> 00:41:00,759 People were hurting each other. 676 00:41:26,852 --> 00:41:31,098 At this point, it's 8:15 PM. 677 00:41:31,122 --> 00:41:33,300 Francisco's making his way through town, 678 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:36,070 trying to stay alive. 679 00:41:36,094 --> 00:41:38,606 By his own account, he has no weapon 680 00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:42,267 just his camera. 681 00:41:48,406 --> 00:41:51,719 The amazing thing about being a photographer is, 682 00:41:51,743 --> 00:41:54,822 so long as you are behind that lens, 683 00:41:54,846 --> 00:41:57,058 so long as you are shooting through that lens, 684 00:41:57,082 --> 00:41:58,693 you are indestructible. 685 00:41:58,717 --> 00:42:01,596 Every photographer I know feels the same way. 686 00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:04,966 While you're shooting, you can't be hurt. 687 00:42:04,990 --> 00:42:07,902 I have a stultifying fear of heights. 688 00:42:07,926 --> 00:42:10,304 I looking out of an upstairs window 689 00:42:10,328 --> 00:42:11,773 scares the hell out of me. 690 00:42:11,797 --> 00:42:14,008 In 'Nam, I used to spend half of my time 691 00:42:14,032 --> 00:42:16,210 hanging out of an open helicopter door, 692 00:42:16,234 --> 00:42:19,013 hanging onto a strap I wouldn't use as a belt, 693 00:42:19,037 --> 00:42:22,083 and shooting away, because nothing could hurt me. 694 00:42:22,107 --> 00:42:24,318 As long as I had that camera in front of my face, 695 00:42:24,342 --> 00:42:25,542 nothing could hurt me. 696 00:42:41,727 --> 00:42:43,270 You basically have an illegal 697 00:42:43,294 --> 00:42:47,675 who's running amok all over Savageland, killing at random. 698 00:42:47,699 --> 00:42:49,611 At this point, the prosecution case 699 00:42:49,635 --> 00:42:51,178 starts to get a little shaky. 700 00:42:51,202 --> 00:42:53,815 Salazar would've said something to my grandpa 701 00:42:53,839 --> 00:42:55,349 and stuff would've went down. 702 00:42:55,373 --> 00:42:57,919 My grandpa's not going to go down without a fight. 703 00:42:57,943 --> 00:43:01,222 The autopsy certificates would have you believe that Salazar 704 00:43:01,246 --> 00:43:05,426 was sprinting through town, dispatching victims 705 00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:08,830 with a machete and pickax 706 00:43:08,854 --> 00:43:11,933 like he was some kind of trained killer. 707 00:43:11,957 --> 00:43:15,737 Salazar knew every square inch of that town. 708 00:43:15,761 --> 00:43:17,872 That's why he was able to move so quickly 709 00:43:17,896 --> 00:43:24,411 and kill without anybody realizing what was happening. 710 00:43:24,435 --> 00:43:29,583 SDC is not a big place. 711 00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:32,754 Salazar was in good shape. 712 00:43:32,778 --> 00:43:34,421 If he were quick enough, 713 00:43:34,445 --> 00:43:36,758 he could've covered all that ground. 714 00:43:36,782 --> 00:43:39,084 And he did not want to leave any witnesses. 715 00:43:47,358 --> 00:43:49,403 What's most amazing about these photographs 716 00:43:49,427 --> 00:43:52,539 is the fact that he got as many decent photographs 717 00:43:52,563 --> 00:43:54,175 as he did out of one roll. 718 00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:56,744 I can't imagine why he would go with one roll. 719 00:43:56,768 --> 00:43:58,512 I have a feeling he probably had more 720 00:43:58,536 --> 00:44:03,074 that he lost along the way, because I've done that myself. 721 00:44:06,712 --> 00:44:09,156 One roll of film and 36 exposures, 722 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:12,727 and caught as many perfect shots as he did. 723 00:44:12,751 --> 00:44:17,331 It is either brilliant film work 724 00:44:17,355 --> 00:44:20,558 or one of the greatest accidents of photography. 725 00:44:25,764 --> 00:44:27,541 We know that Salazar gets here 726 00:44:27,565 --> 00:44:30,077 to the one store in town. 727 00:44:30,101 --> 00:44:32,013 It's a little way out of the rest of his route 728 00:44:32,037 --> 00:44:33,715 based on the photographs. 729 00:44:33,739 --> 00:44:39,253 But we do know this market had a working landline. 730 00:44:39,277 --> 00:44:43,148 But if that's what he was going for, he was shit out of luck. 731 00:44:48,086 --> 00:44:51,532 If you were in New York City and not Sangre de Cristo, 732 00:44:51,556 --> 00:44:54,535 you would probably have 15,000 shots 733 00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:55,903 of what happened there that evening 734 00:44:55,927 --> 00:44:57,204 on people's cell phones. 735 00:44:57,228 --> 00:44:59,974 Most people in SDC didn't have cell phones. 736 00:44:59,998 --> 00:45:02,143 They had phone cards. 737 00:45:02,167 --> 00:45:04,145 Once a month, they'd come to the market, 738 00:45:04,169 --> 00:45:07,815 buy one, call home to Mexico, say hi to mom, 739 00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:11,018 confirm the wire transfer back home. 740 00:45:11,042 --> 00:45:14,722 You can't take a picture with a phone card. 741 00:45:14,746 --> 00:45:19,393 We're talking about a place where life was cheap. 742 00:45:19,417 --> 00:45:24,398 Illegals arriving illegally, doing illegal things. 743 00:45:24,422 --> 00:45:26,700 People ask me, why didn't the people of SDC 744 00:45:26,724 --> 00:45:27,902 call the police? 745 00:45:27,926 --> 00:45:29,303 Immigrants don't call police. 746 00:45:29,327 --> 00:45:31,338 And when you live in SDC, the police 747 00:45:31,362 --> 00:45:33,741 are just another element, another criminal element 748 00:45:33,765 --> 00:45:35,000 to them. 749 00:45:51,316 --> 00:45:53,727 Salazar was also charged with murders 750 00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:55,797 that happened at the water-tower. 751 00:45:55,821 --> 00:45:57,765 But there's not a single piece of evidence 752 00:45:57,789 --> 00:46:00,567 to indicate that Salazar was ever there. 753 00:46:00,591 --> 00:46:02,970 And remember those people we found, 754 00:46:02,994 --> 00:46:05,873 right next to the small water-tower. 755 00:46:05,897 --> 00:46:07,508 We know that they ran. 756 00:46:07,532 --> 00:46:10,878 We know that they ran up to the top of that water-tower. 757 00:46:10,902 --> 00:46:15,282 And instead of confronting whatever was chasing them, 758 00:46:15,306 --> 00:46:17,084 they chose to jump off the water-tower. 759 00:46:17,108 --> 00:46:19,386 Now that just doesn't happen when you have an individual. 760 00:46:19,410 --> 00:46:21,789 I don't care how horrible that individual is. 761 00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:23,090 That doesn't happen. 762 00:46:23,114 --> 00:46:25,659 Eight people supposedly ran up there, 763 00:46:25,683 --> 00:46:29,096 trying to get away from one man? 764 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,832 But instead of trying to fight him 765 00:46:30,856 --> 00:46:34,735 off on a single fire escape, these eight people 766 00:46:34,759 --> 00:46:36,537 chose to jump. 767 00:46:36,561 --> 00:46:39,673 They'd rather kill themselves and their families 768 00:46:39,697 --> 00:46:42,143 instead of fight him? 769 00:46:42,167 --> 00:46:48,282 They told me that Jose and his family 770 00:46:48,306 --> 00:46:53,220 were some of the ones who died at that tower. 771 00:46:53,244 --> 00:46:58,993 And it was only two blocks from their house. 772 00:46:59,017 --> 00:47:04,899 I look at his picture and... 773 00:47:04,923 --> 00:47:07,601 Maria had such a strong sense of faith... 774 00:47:07,625 --> 00:47:09,536 a really strong sense of faith. 775 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,604 I don't have that faith. 776 00:47:10,628 --> 00:47:11,906 I just don't have that faith. 777 00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:13,407 And it hurts me, 778 00:47:13,431 --> 00:47:18,212 because I'm more angry about that. 779 00:47:18,236 --> 00:47:21,215 I can't imagine why the two of them 780 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,651 would do something like that. 781 00:47:24,675 --> 00:47:29,656 They had to climb that. 782 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:36,931 If you think about them standing there at that moment, 783 00:47:36,955 --> 00:47:38,489 and then making that decision. 784 00:47:43,694 --> 00:47:46,707 Salazar was never closer than three blocks to that tower 785 00:47:46,731 --> 00:47:48,042 that night. 786 00:47:48,066 --> 00:47:51,569 The truth is, he had a different route in mind. 787 00:47:59,510 --> 00:48:03,624 From the start, he was always heading here. 788 00:48:03,648 --> 00:48:05,826 That's what he says. 789 00:48:05,850 --> 00:48:07,561 It's the church. 790 00:48:07,585 --> 00:48:14,135 The church mission for the Putnam family. 791 00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:16,270 As for the Putnams, Francisco had been working 792 00:48:16,294 --> 00:48:17,871 for them for years. 793 00:48:17,895 --> 00:48:19,040 He was almost a friend. 794 00:48:19,064 --> 00:48:20,541 They trusted him. 795 00:48:20,565 --> 00:48:24,078 They gave him a key, to the building. 796 00:48:24,102 --> 00:48:26,213 And yet, when I look at the crime scene, 797 00:48:26,237 --> 00:48:28,182 doors have been ripped off their hinges. 798 00:48:28,206 --> 00:48:30,684 Now why would Francisco rip the doors off the hinges 799 00:48:30,708 --> 00:48:33,354 when he had a key? 800 00:48:33,378 --> 00:48:35,489 What was going through your mind 801 00:48:35,513 --> 00:48:36,713 when you saw this? 802 00:48:44,722 --> 00:48:46,067 I don't know. 803 00:48:46,091 --> 00:48:49,303 I just wanted to help my friends. 804 00:48:49,327 --> 00:48:51,772 You worked for a Dwayne and Judith Putnam, 805 00:48:51,796 --> 00:48:52,996 didn't you? 806 00:48:58,403 --> 00:49:01,182 Yes. 807 00:49:01,206 --> 00:49:03,341 How did you feel about them? 808 00:49:04,442 --> 00:49:06,477 They were good people. 809 00:49:14,585 --> 00:49:17,798 The Putnams were here to convert the old church 810 00:49:17,822 --> 00:49:19,033 and mission offices. 811 00:49:19,057 --> 00:49:21,368 They basically started a new ministry 812 00:49:21,392 --> 00:49:24,929 in a town other religious groups had long since abandoned. 813 00:49:30,668 --> 00:49:33,280 We're proud of our church's missionary history. 814 00:49:33,304 --> 00:49:36,383 God's mission for us is to go forth to the less fortunate 815 00:49:36,407 --> 00:49:40,254 and bear witness to His word. 816 00:49:40,278 --> 00:49:42,289 The Putnams were some of my closest, 817 00:49:42,313 --> 00:49:46,760 dearest friends in the world... truly people of God. 818 00:49:46,784 --> 00:49:49,630 Dwayne and Judith's engagement was sanctioned by our church 819 00:49:49,654 --> 00:49:51,565 with great excitement. 820 00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:54,935 Even though she wasn't baptized in a church at the time, 821 00:49:54,959 --> 00:49:58,739 we knew in her heart she'd always believed. 822 00:49:58,763 --> 00:50:00,698 She had great strength. 823 00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:10,184 They were my friends. 824 00:50:10,208 --> 00:50:11,985 Salazar had spent the summer working 825 00:50:12,009 --> 00:50:15,389 as a handyman on the mission, doing odd jobs, 826 00:50:15,413 --> 00:50:18,683 running errands for Judith, hanging out with the two kids. 827 00:50:34,499 --> 00:50:37,944 The Putnams went to that town to fix up that facility, 828 00:50:37,968 --> 00:50:40,981 to empower those people. 829 00:50:41,005 --> 00:50:43,417 This family reached out to Salazar, 830 00:50:43,441 --> 00:50:45,576 and this is how he repaid them? 831 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:03,328 But Salazar was too late. 832 00:51:08,299 --> 00:51:10,244 Grace is gone. 833 00:51:10,268 --> 00:51:13,914 Where is Grace? 834 00:51:13,938 --> 00:51:20,287 Grace is gone. 835 00:51:20,311 --> 00:51:24,191 Don't you judge me. 836 00:51:24,215 --> 00:51:31,031 Only God can judge me. 837 00:51:31,055 --> 00:51:35,936 Only He knows what I'm seeing. 838 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,931 Only He knows this abomination. 839 00:51:44,001 --> 00:51:46,947 I am Abraham. 840 00:51:46,971 --> 00:51:49,640 A burnt... 841 00:52:07,392 --> 00:52:11,929 My lambs, my little lamb. 842 00:53:02,247 --> 00:53:04,825 What'd you wish for, Grace? 843 00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:07,194 I get little. 844 00:53:07,218 --> 00:53:09,520 Birthday girl first. 845 00:53:16,961 --> 00:53:22,166 When I got there, I knew that I was too late. 846 00:53:25,636 --> 00:53:27,572 Where are their bodies? 847 00:53:37,582 --> 00:53:39,893 In the official version, 848 00:53:39,917 --> 00:53:42,996 forensics, coupled with the Putnam phone recording, 849 00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:46,333 led the police to conclude that Putnam killed his wife 850 00:53:46,357 --> 00:53:49,836 and son before killing himself. 851 00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:52,906 Now Putnam panicked at seeing Salazar running wild 852 00:53:52,930 --> 00:53:57,110 and snapped when he heard the screams outside the mission. 853 00:53:57,134 --> 00:54:00,314 So he killed his family with a machete 854 00:54:00,338 --> 00:54:03,083 before turning it on himself. 855 00:54:03,107 --> 00:54:06,853 That's Parano's version. 856 00:54:06,877 --> 00:54:09,614 Were they still alive when you got there? 857 00:54:15,786 --> 00:54:16,986 Only one of them. 858 00:54:24,395 --> 00:54:26,940 But the official logic doesn't hold up. 859 00:54:26,964 --> 00:54:29,343 Putnam wanted to give his family a mercy killing 860 00:54:29,367 --> 00:54:31,345 so they could all go up clean to Jesus. 861 00:54:31,369 --> 00:54:32,513 That's one thing. 862 00:54:32,537 --> 00:54:35,616 But why dismember his little kids? 863 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,352 Yeah, we had dogs searching 864 00:54:38,376 --> 00:54:40,354 for the other remains. 865 00:54:40,378 --> 00:54:44,224 We found nothing, or Salazar won't be telling us 866 00:54:44,248 --> 00:54:47,694 where he buried the bodies. 867 00:54:47,718 --> 00:54:54,234 Dwayne Putnam thought he was a man of God. 868 00:54:54,258 --> 00:54:57,438 But he made the wrong choice. 869 00:54:57,462 --> 00:54:59,640 For a pastor, a man of the Bible, 870 00:54:59,664 --> 00:55:02,008 it must be hard to see these photos. 871 00:55:02,032 --> 00:55:08,148 They show what you might call a inconvenient resurrection. 872 00:55:08,172 --> 00:55:14,421 The only thing he can do is deny it. 873 00:55:14,445 --> 00:55:16,256 God saw what Dwayne did. 874 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,093 He was a murderer and a suicide. 875 00:55:20,117 --> 00:55:23,287 OK, both of you. 876 00:55:24,655 --> 00:55:27,834 Say hi to mommy. 877 00:55:27,858 --> 00:55:28,769 Hi! 878 00:55:28,793 --> 00:55:29,603 Hi, mommy. 879 00:55:29,627 --> 00:55:30,928 Run! 880 00:55:38,436 --> 00:55:42,949 Where was Grace Putnam? 881 00:55:42,973 --> 00:55:46,086 She wasn't there. 882 00:55:46,110 --> 00:55:50,457 Where was she? 883 00:55:50,481 --> 00:55:53,884 If Grace wasn't at the mission... 884 00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,664 She was at school. 885 00:55:57,688 --> 00:56:00,033 The school is on the outskirts of town. 886 00:56:00,057 --> 00:56:03,737 And Salazar still has a distance to go, 887 00:56:03,761 --> 00:56:06,740 through the most densely populated area of town, 888 00:56:06,764 --> 00:56:08,442 where most of the bodies were found. 889 00:56:08,466 --> 00:56:10,043 Most of the killings 890 00:56:10,067 --> 00:56:14,848 occurred on the street or just inside the entrances to homes. 891 00:56:14,872 --> 00:56:17,117 People rushed out to see what was happening, 892 00:56:17,141 --> 00:56:19,720 to protect their families. 893 00:56:19,744 --> 00:56:21,822 If this bullshit story were true, 894 00:56:21,846 --> 00:56:28,361 why didn't Salazar put down his camera and help those people? 895 00:56:28,385 --> 00:56:30,030 Salazar was a handyman. 896 00:56:30,054 --> 00:56:32,933 He had keys for vacant buildings all over town. 897 00:56:32,957 --> 00:56:35,569 He could cut through building to building from one end of town 898 00:56:35,593 --> 00:56:39,039 to the other, hide, look out. 899 00:56:39,063 --> 00:56:40,641 Look, most of the time, 900 00:56:40,665 --> 00:56:43,677 he probably wasn't even close to the action. 901 00:56:43,701 --> 00:56:46,580 A 70 to 200 millimeter lens pulls 902 00:56:46,604 --> 00:56:48,348 in all sorts of distant detail. 903 00:56:48,372 --> 00:56:53,520 Sometimes, you get nothing. 904 00:56:53,544 --> 00:56:56,046 Sometimes, you get something extraordinary. 905 00:57:06,356 --> 00:57:08,802 Why did Francisco take the photos? 906 00:57:08,826 --> 00:57:13,574 The better question is, why not? 907 00:57:13,598 --> 00:57:17,210 You are capturing moments of time 908 00:57:17,234 --> 00:57:20,246 that you are the only person, it's a moral imperative, 909 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:21,470 almost. 910 00:57:25,543 --> 00:57:26,853 You're the person with the camera. 911 00:57:26,877 --> 00:57:28,889 You're the only person there with that option. 912 00:57:28,913 --> 00:57:30,991 You take the pictures because you must, 913 00:57:31,015 --> 00:57:35,596 because somebody has to take those pictures. 914 00:57:35,620 --> 00:57:38,431 Salazar makes his way down Main Street 915 00:57:38,455 --> 00:57:40,190 and gets to the preschool. 916 00:57:51,869 --> 00:57:55,381 All the children of the people who died in that field, 917 00:57:55,405 --> 00:57:57,374 they were in that preschool. 918 00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:16,336 That's the thing that messed with me the most... 919 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:17,971 what happened at that preschool. 920 00:58:17,995 --> 00:58:20,541 We're not the same as they are. 921 00:58:20,565 --> 00:58:26,170 We don't kill babies. 922 00:58:37,748 --> 00:58:39,826 There's almost nothing that you could 923 00:58:39,850 --> 00:58:43,229 say to change people's minds. 924 00:58:43,253 --> 00:58:51,171 Even planting the possibility, the idea 925 00:58:51,195 --> 00:58:57,678 that you hurt or killed children. 926 00:58:57,702 --> 00:58:59,036 Went to the school. 927 00:59:08,779 --> 00:59:11,982 When I got there... 928 00:59:29,834 --> 00:59:32,779 There were nine kids in the preschool 929 00:59:32,803 --> 00:59:38,619 and one teacher, Lisa Reyes. 930 00:59:38,643 --> 00:59:43,456 Forensics indicated that some of the kids 931 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,593 had hidden behind a curtain. 932 00:59:46,617 --> 00:59:50,130 That's a child's natural instinct to think, 933 00:59:50,154 --> 00:59:52,799 if they make themselves invisible, 934 00:59:52,823 --> 00:59:55,792 they can save themselves from the monster. 935 01:00:10,741 --> 01:00:13,386 When I came back, like I said, 936 01:00:13,410 --> 01:00:14,921 I couldn't believe it. 937 01:00:14,945 --> 01:00:17,958 I didn't want to believe it. 938 01:00:17,982 --> 01:00:23,820 And to go to the funeral was one of the hardest things. 939 01:00:26,556 --> 01:00:28,635 It was a closed casket. 940 01:00:28,659 --> 01:00:31,437 All the family was there. 941 01:00:31,461 --> 01:00:34,107 A lot of people wish that they would have been able to see her 942 01:00:34,131 --> 01:00:36,910 before she... 943 01:00:36,934 --> 01:00:42,215 keep my own last memory of... 944 01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:46,787 I wouldn't want to see her in there anyways. 945 01:00:46,811 --> 01:00:49,255 I remember her the way I remember her. 946 01:00:49,279 --> 01:00:51,191 Linda Perez is my daughter. 947 01:00:51,215 --> 01:00:52,959 She was five years old. 948 01:00:52,983 --> 01:00:55,461 She lived with her father in SDC. 949 01:00:55,485 --> 01:00:56,897 I worked in Hinzman. 950 01:00:56,921 --> 01:01:01,702 I hardly got to see her because I worked long hours. 951 01:01:01,726 --> 01:01:09,575 She was wearing a purple top and pants 952 01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,377 and white tennis shoes. 953 01:01:11,401 --> 01:01:15,782 She was very picky about what she wanted to wear. 954 01:01:15,806 --> 01:01:21,855 When I left, she was three. 955 01:01:21,879 --> 01:01:25,826 And I wasn't even nice to her. 956 01:01:25,850 --> 01:01:29,930 I could have been nicer to her. 957 01:01:29,954 --> 01:01:32,065 But she was always bugging me, 958 01:01:32,089 --> 01:01:34,600 I feel like an asshole. 959 01:01:34,624 --> 01:01:35,635 Benny. 960 01:01:35,659 --> 01:01:36,837 You wanna see him? 961 01:01:36,861 --> 01:01:38,571 He's right here. 962 01:01:38,595 --> 01:01:39,505 Look at that. 963 01:01:39,529 --> 01:01:44,377 Look at that smile. 964 01:01:44,401 --> 01:01:48,448 He was born premature, and he was tiny. 965 01:01:48,472 --> 01:01:49,449 Tiny. 966 01:01:49,473 --> 01:01:51,084 He weighed 2 and 1/2 pounds. 967 01:01:51,108 --> 01:01:53,820 And he had some problems. 968 01:01:53,844 --> 01:01:56,256 He got pneumonia as a newborn. 969 01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,927 But he had a tough, strong heart. 970 01:02:00,951 --> 01:02:03,129 I could have gone home more, 971 01:02:03,153 --> 01:02:04,564 but it was a piece of shit town. 972 01:02:04,588 --> 01:02:07,167 And I left when I could. 973 01:02:07,191 --> 01:02:09,669 And I was just hoping, maybe, when she got older, 974 01:02:09,693 --> 01:02:11,938 we could make up for lost time. 975 01:02:11,962 --> 01:02:14,707 That's all I was thinking. 976 01:02:14,731 --> 01:02:17,710 But now I don't have time. 977 01:02:17,734 --> 01:02:20,246 I took this from her school. 978 01:02:20,270 --> 01:02:22,939 This was the last thing she was wearing. 979 01:02:27,878 --> 01:02:30,190 Grace is gone. 980 01:02:30,214 --> 01:02:32,793 Where is Grace? 981 01:02:32,817 --> 01:02:37,697 Grace is gone. 982 01:02:37,721 --> 01:02:40,490 I couldn't find her. 983 01:02:41,859 --> 01:02:43,669 By his own account, Salazar couldn't even get 984 01:02:43,693 --> 01:02:45,005 inside the school. 985 01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:49,475 He scurried around the back by the storeroom. 986 01:02:49,499 --> 01:02:53,914 The one aspect of that roll of film that sort of fascinates me 987 01:02:53,938 --> 01:02:56,216 is why he spent so much of the last 988 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,785 of it taking pictures of that one subject, 989 01:02:58,809 --> 01:03:00,686 that little girl. 990 01:03:00,710 --> 01:03:01,910 I wouldn't have. 991 01:03:10,754 --> 01:03:12,298 It's not what I would've done. 992 01:03:12,322 --> 01:03:15,068 And I don't think most other professional photographers 993 01:03:15,092 --> 01:03:16,393 would've done it either. 994 01:03:23,834 --> 01:03:27,747 She was on the other side of the window. 995 01:03:27,771 --> 01:03:33,053 She was reaching out. 996 01:03:33,077 --> 01:03:35,388 I couldn't help her. 997 01:03:35,412 --> 01:03:37,190 Based on my evaluation, 998 01:03:37,214 --> 01:03:40,560 this was the first time that Salazar 999 01:03:40,584 --> 01:03:42,963 even used his flash unit. 1000 01:03:42,987 --> 01:03:44,721 The question is, why now? 1001 01:03:51,395 --> 01:03:59,169 I tried to stop them with the flash. 1002 01:03:59,970 --> 01:04:04,517 With the camera? 1003 01:04:04,541 --> 01:04:05,741 Did it help? 1004 01:04:16,286 --> 01:04:20,901 Did it stop them for a little while? 1005 01:04:20,925 --> 01:04:25,471 Only when it flashed. 1006 01:04:25,495 --> 01:04:27,173 Those last photographs... 1007 01:04:27,197 --> 01:04:29,342 there's the one where he's reaching through the bars, 1008 01:04:29,366 --> 01:04:33,079 where he is trying to take the girl's hand 1009 01:04:33,103 --> 01:04:38,084 and suddenly he stops being a historian, 1010 01:04:38,108 --> 01:04:43,356 stops being an observer, and becomes an active participant. 1011 01:04:43,380 --> 01:04:46,659 The moment he stopped being a photographer 1012 01:04:46,683 --> 01:04:53,766 and decided to do a single human action to save somebody else... 1013 01:04:53,790 --> 01:04:56,036 I just held her hand. 1014 01:04:56,060 --> 01:04:59,472 ...is the moment that changed everything for him. 1015 01:04:59,496 --> 01:05:02,475 You give up being a photographer to become a human being. 1016 01:05:02,499 --> 01:05:06,579 And you lose what has kept you alive and safe through 1017 01:05:06,603 --> 01:05:09,182 the rest of the process. 1018 01:05:09,206 --> 01:05:11,617 I just held her hand. 1019 01:05:11,641 --> 01:05:15,044 And I sang. 1020 01:05:57,921 --> 01:06:00,156 He was planning this all along. 1021 01:06:05,162 --> 01:06:07,640 There's only three possibilities. 1022 01:06:07,664 --> 01:06:13,413 Either he's lying, he's crazy, or he's telling the truth. 1023 01:06:13,437 --> 01:06:16,882 And in my professional opinion, he's not lying 1024 01:06:16,906 --> 01:06:19,175 and he's not crazy. 1025 01:06:35,059 --> 01:06:39,105 Salazar had his shot in court. 1026 01:06:39,129 --> 01:06:41,274 We're appealing. 1027 01:06:41,298 --> 01:06:43,976 That's all we can do at this point. 1028 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,745 It's in the hands of the criminal justice system 1029 01:06:46,769 --> 01:06:51,175 of the state of Arizona. 1030 01:06:51,208 --> 01:06:52,752 I'm going to be glad 1031 01:06:52,776 --> 01:06:54,954 when this appeal goes nowhere so this town 1032 01:06:54,978 --> 01:06:56,613 can start going somewhere again. 1033 01:07:07,724 --> 01:07:10,203 If you'd been a reporter like me 1034 01:07:10,227 --> 01:07:13,239 in an inner city, you've seen murders. 1035 01:07:13,263 --> 01:07:15,241 You've seen murders of every type. 1036 01:07:15,265 --> 01:07:18,378 I can tell you in a second, gangland shot, 1037 01:07:18,402 --> 01:07:20,680 personal shot, in terms of, 1038 01:07:20,704 --> 01:07:22,448 two different people who know each other. 1039 01:07:22,472 --> 01:07:24,750 I can tell you how a person died. 1040 01:07:24,774 --> 01:07:29,589 Murders have signatures. 1041 01:07:29,613 --> 01:07:33,859 So who had the resources, the political will the anger, 1042 01:07:33,883 --> 01:07:38,064 the motive to carry out the single-night massacre 1043 01:07:38,088 --> 01:07:40,066 of an entire town? 1044 01:07:40,090 --> 01:07:45,004 It's a familiar story we've seen played out time and time again. 1045 01:07:45,028 --> 01:07:46,139 It's not smoke and mirrors. 1046 01:07:46,163 --> 01:07:51,835 It's desert, sand, hate, and fear. 1047 01:07:55,772 --> 01:08:00,353 Nat Turner, the Scottsboro Boys, the Tulsa race riots, 1048 01:08:00,377 --> 01:08:03,523 Zoot Suit Riots, Camp Grant Massacre, 1049 01:08:03,547 --> 01:08:06,483 Operation Wetback, Rodney King. 1050 01:08:17,961 --> 01:08:19,161 Sangre de Cristo. 1051 01:08:38,182 --> 01:08:40,426 This is the community that we are. 1052 01:08:40,450 --> 01:08:44,930 We do take an eye for an eye, because not only is that fair, 1053 01:08:44,954 --> 01:08:47,467 that's our God-given right. 1054 01:08:47,491 --> 01:08:51,137 And we will be watching the border for all future Salazars. 1055 01:08:51,161 --> 01:08:59,161 God bless America, my home, sweet home. 1056 01:09:01,037 --> 01:09:03,183 They don't care who you are. 1057 01:09:03,207 --> 01:09:07,453 They don't care what you do. 1058 01:09:07,477 --> 01:09:10,590 They'd basically rather shoot you... 1059 01:09:10,614 --> 01:09:15,895 than give you a dollar. 1060 01:09:15,919 --> 01:09:18,698 The Great Wall of America between us and Mexico, 1061 01:09:18,722 --> 01:09:20,466 I don't hear them trying to build that wall 1062 01:09:20,490 --> 01:09:22,067 between here and Canada. 1063 01:09:22,091 --> 01:09:23,669 And they're not saying somebody... 1064 01:09:23,693 --> 01:09:28,040 some Canuck is coming down and killing people up in Michigan. 1065 01:09:28,064 --> 01:09:32,111 There's a lot more Salazars out there... more Ramirez, 1066 01:09:32,135 --> 01:09:35,315 more Sanchezes, more Carloses. 1067 01:09:35,339 --> 01:09:40,520 But make no mistake... it's a matter of when, not if. 1068 01:09:40,544 --> 01:09:44,724 Basically, there's 100,000 that try to come across, 1069 01:09:44,748 --> 01:09:48,428 and there's only maybe 1,000 border patrol. 1070 01:09:48,452 --> 01:09:50,620 They ain't going to get everybody. 1071 01:10:02,932 --> 01:10:05,378 Maybe we've just got our priorities 1072 01:10:05,402 --> 01:10:08,981 right here in Arizona. 1073 01:10:09,005 --> 01:10:13,786 A lot of our people have been waiting a long time for this. 1074 01:10:13,810 --> 01:10:16,389 I'm also proud that this state is carrying out 1075 01:10:16,413 --> 01:10:19,259 Salazar's sentence in half the time it took to do 1076 01:10:19,283 --> 01:10:20,984 the same to Timothy McVeigh. 1077 01:10:30,594 --> 01:10:33,973 At 12:05 AM Arizona time... not bleeding 1078 01:10:33,997 --> 01:10:37,477 liberal time, not East Coast wine and cheese time, 1079 01:10:37,501 --> 01:10:41,013 not West Coast free drugs time... 1080 01:10:41,037 --> 01:10:43,883 American justice was served. 1081 01:10:43,907 --> 01:10:46,185 No more lawyers' appeals. 1082 01:10:46,209 --> 01:10:48,321 No more bills. 1083 01:10:48,345 --> 01:10:52,124 No more three square meals a day. 1084 01:10:52,148 --> 01:10:54,594 No more excuses. 1085 01:10:54,618 --> 01:10:56,119 And no more fear, my friends. 1086 01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:11,277 Francisco was the only witness to what happened that night. 1087 01:11:11,301 --> 01:11:13,979 And the court killed his photographs. 1088 01:11:14,003 --> 01:11:16,039 And then the state killed him. 1089 01:11:45,935 --> 01:11:49,782 Do you know where Salazar gets buried? 1090 01:11:49,806 --> 01:11:54,420 He gets buried right here, in the state of Arizona! 1091 01:11:54,444 --> 01:11:57,457 He must be pretty pleased with himself. 1092 01:11:57,481 --> 01:12:01,894 He snuck in here, he hid here, he killed here, 1093 01:12:01,918 --> 01:12:04,129 he's executed here. 1094 01:12:04,153 --> 01:12:07,591 But even in death, he manages to avoid being deported. 1095 01:12:12,562 --> 01:12:14,239 Except they got it all wrong. 1096 01:12:14,263 --> 01:12:17,677 This doesn't end with the execution of Francisco Salazar. 1097 01:12:17,701 --> 01:12:21,004 Francisco Salazar's photos don't end with Francisco Salazar. 1098 01:12:26,042 --> 01:12:27,353 I wish I was there. 1099 01:12:27,377 --> 01:12:29,689 I wish I had been the guy behind the camera. 1100 01:12:29,713 --> 01:12:32,024 Why did Francisco take the photos? 1101 01:12:32,048 --> 01:12:33,593 I don't know. 1102 01:12:33,617 --> 01:12:35,561 Maybe he thought he was going to die like everybody else. 1103 01:12:35,585 --> 01:12:37,129 Why the hell not? 1104 01:12:37,153 --> 01:12:38,698 At least leave something behind. 1105 01:12:38,722 --> 01:12:42,067 Leave some record behind so he didn't die for nothing. 1106 01:12:42,091 --> 01:12:44,870 There's a piece of history left. 1107 01:12:44,894 --> 01:12:50,009 And if you're going to go out, go out with something of value. 1108 01:12:50,033 --> 01:12:51,511 Do something. 1109 01:12:51,535 --> 01:12:53,837 Make your death count for something. 1110 01:12:59,476 --> 01:13:01,954 The photos show us the truth. 1111 01:13:01,978 --> 01:13:04,690 The truth is that I'm the one who found the photos. 1112 01:13:04,714 --> 01:13:07,427 I'm the one who released them. 1113 01:13:07,451 --> 01:13:11,564 Ross found the truth, but he couldn't see it. 1114 01:13:11,588 --> 01:13:13,933 He got scared. 1115 01:13:13,957 --> 01:13:19,539 I don't blame him. 1116 01:13:19,563 --> 01:13:22,575 As a journalist, I deal in facts, not speculation. 1117 01:13:22,599 --> 01:13:25,645 And the facts are that Francisco recorded whatever moved 1118 01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:26,979 through that town that night. 1119 01:13:27,003 --> 01:13:29,749 And that was the only real evidence. 1120 01:13:29,773 --> 01:13:33,619 And the local will to investigate was nonexistent. 1121 01:13:33,643 --> 01:13:35,621 So the photos exist in a vacuum. 1122 01:13:35,645 --> 01:13:37,056 I think a lot of people 1123 01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,825 will sleep better at night believing that they are photoshopped 1124 01:13:39,849 --> 01:13:42,161 than believing they are seeing something 1125 01:13:42,185 --> 01:13:43,853 that is happening. 1126 01:13:51,728 --> 01:13:57,009 There's no going back to normal. 1127 01:13:57,033 --> 01:14:04,283 Because normal doesn't exist anymore. 1128 01:14:04,307 --> 01:14:09,755 There were no masks, no cartels, no mob of illegals at night. 1129 01:14:09,779 --> 01:14:11,457 The photos do tell us something. 1130 01:14:11,481 --> 01:14:12,992 They're numbered. 1131 01:14:13,016 --> 01:14:15,595 Number one was taken from the southern 1132 01:14:15,619 --> 01:14:22,034 watch in the foothills, number 36 at the schoolhouse. 1133 01:14:22,058 --> 01:14:25,237 When you look at the crime scene, the police reports, 1134 01:14:25,261 --> 01:14:29,008 the layout of the town, you realize that this carnage 1135 01:14:29,032 --> 01:14:30,843 wasn't random. 1136 01:14:30,867 --> 01:14:34,403 It was just so huge that nobody could see the bigger picture. 1137 01:14:40,109 --> 01:14:43,880 They were always heading in one direction. 1138 01:14:51,487 --> 01:14:53,156 They were heading north. 1139 01:15:05,101 --> 01:15:08,013 Have you ever actually seen the border fence? 1140 01:15:08,037 --> 01:15:12,384 It's 20 feet high, corrugated steel, 1141 01:15:12,408 --> 01:15:15,054 razor wire in some places. 1142 01:15:15,078 --> 01:15:18,023 Anyone with any regard for human life 1143 01:15:18,047 --> 01:15:21,827 would stay the hell away from that fence. 1144 01:15:21,851 --> 01:15:24,897 Do you own a gun? 1145 01:15:24,921 --> 01:15:26,098 I do. 1146 01:15:26,122 --> 01:15:27,867 And ever since that... I've seen these photographs, 1147 01:15:27,891 --> 01:15:30,026 I've been sleeping with it under my pillow. 1148 01:15:34,564 --> 01:15:36,175 This is a cruel land 1149 01:15:36,199 --> 01:15:39,078 where death is a certainty. 1150 01:15:39,102 --> 01:15:40,112 We grow up with it. 1151 01:15:40,136 --> 01:15:41,213 We accept it. 1152 01:15:41,237 --> 01:15:42,915 You know what made my morning? 1153 01:15:42,939 --> 01:15:45,685 Hearing that some group of unknown patriots 1154 01:15:45,709 --> 01:15:49,955 found where Salazar's grave was and dug it up. 1155 01:15:49,979 --> 01:15:52,224 The body's gone, my friends. 1156 01:15:52,248 --> 01:15:53,448 And good riddance. 1157 01:16:33,522 --> 01:16:36,035 Seven weeks after Salazar's execution, 1158 01:16:36,059 --> 01:16:37,837 the mutilated remains of two campers 1159 01:16:37,861 --> 01:16:41,807 were found in the Tonto National Forest, 115 miles 1160 01:16:41,831 --> 01:16:46,879 north of Sangre de Cristo. 1161 01:16:46,903 --> 01:16:49,314 Five unexplained deaths in Sitgreaves. 1162 01:16:49,338 --> 01:16:53,986 Multiple attacks in Ajo, Callente, Willcox to the east. 1163 01:16:54,010 --> 01:16:57,990 Hilldale was the first town in Utah... 12 dead. 1164 01:16:58,014 --> 01:17:01,226 The same patterns emerging east to Juarez. 1165 01:17:01,250 --> 01:17:06,031 Up into New Mexico in Alamogordo, five dead. 1166 01:17:06,055 --> 01:17:10,393 In Trevino Ranch, three dead, nine unaccounted. 1167 01:17:45,862 --> 01:17:48,131 The hell is this? 87739

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