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I really thought what I would do
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if I ever learned to draw properly
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was I would try to
change the world.
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Is this thing working?
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Right now, Ralph, what
exactly are we doing here?
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It's a very odd
idea to make a movie,
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a film, a documentary,
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about an artist, say me.
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And in one way it's
rather a good idea,
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and in another way you
wonder why one is doing it.
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Except that it's become
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far more personal as it's developed
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into something which really
is about my work and about me.
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And I think that makes
it more interesting
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because it takes in
the good and the bad.
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It takes in all
sides, all dimensions.
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It's almost, when you
come down to see us,
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we know what we're going to do, even
though we haven't planned anything.
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We just simply carry on
and if something comes out,
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something does, and
sometimes it doesn't.
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And so that seems to me
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the kind of thing that's
made this all worthwhile.
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I haven't seen Ralph since the
signing of Hunter's memorial poster.
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It's been a while, and I've
really been looking forward
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to catching up with him in
his studio at Loose Court.
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Right.
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I'm gonna put a piece
of paper down here.
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I don't know why. I think it's
because you're in the room.
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If you weren't here,
I'd be having a lie-down now.
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Are you ready for this?
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'Cause it might not be very
good, but it might be great, too.
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I love it.
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When I don't know what to do,
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I do that.
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It's a kind of cheat, in a
way, because you don't know
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whether you did it because
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you can't do anything and
there is nothing in your mind,
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or you did it because it
might just lead somewhere.
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It's fantastic when that happens.
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I can see a horse in there already.
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I didn't know what it was
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and then I suddenly
thought, "I know what it is."
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It's an unloved pet,
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and it's a shame that
I drew it, really,
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because I don't like it.
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It's a horrible-looking creature.
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And if it walked into the
living room, I'd kick it out.
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And it's a frame of mind.
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All I've done is made something
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that's part of a frame of mind
I might be in at the moment.
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What a terrible thing.
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It was 1969 when my
first book was published.
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It was a collected works
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of all my cartoons that I had done
since I had taken it seriously.
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That's absolutely amazing.
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This was the beginning,
really, the conducted tour,
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and the whole idea of
it being The Pioneers,
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it's like you're going, you know,
we're going off on a conducted tour
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and everything's comfortable.
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And they'd just get off the bus,
look around and get back on again.
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And then I thought of this
when they brought Muzak in.
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So I did the picture called
Down at the Old Bull and Bush.
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And there's the old
boy with his pint
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and then all this Muzak
coming out of the speaker.
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Because it was really only just
getting going, all this stuff.
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Part of my idea of humor
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was it would be slightly maniacal.
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But there was an arrogance missing.
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There was a wildness missing.
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There was a rawness missing.
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It lacked that bite I needed,
that real ferocious bite,
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the thing that would
make it noticeable.
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Still as relevant
today as it was then.
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Great. Amazing. Just incredible.
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The reason I learned to draw
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wasn't just to be able to draw
and people say, "That's pretty,"
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but that I needed to apply
it as a weapon almost.
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It was something quite savage.
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People would see the work
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and they would think about it.
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In a way, it was a
wonderful calling card.
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I took it with me to America.
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And that was 1970.
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Bus for New York City.
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Hey, driver, hold up.
I'm trying to get on.
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Hold up, man.
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All right. Thanks a lot.
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My idea was actually to do a
thousand pictures of New York.
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Well...
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What I was looking for
were things to draw.
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New York, skyscrapers
and everything.
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It's God's own city, man.
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Hey, what's up, man?
Hey, you look fine.
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What you trying to make
yourself five bucks for, bro?
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Yeah. Hey, hey.
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Just run across, man. Just run
across the street. Come on, man.
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What it does for me,
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it freezes a moment,
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that when I look back on it,
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I think, "Goodness me.
Did that really happen?"
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You know, it's just something
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that is frozen in time
and it's gonna change.
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Nothing stays the same.
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I found it upsetting seeing all these
vagrant people wandering the streets
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and always staggering towards you
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and grabbing you by the hand.
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And saying, "Give us a dime, buddy.
This is a tough city to get started in."
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It's hopeless. I could never do it.
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Yeah.
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And I wanted to capture
that sort of look, that face.
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I was drawn towards skid row,
I was drawn towards it
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as a sort of almost a museum
of misery and deprivation.
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And I think this is
a picture of a bum,
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and he's hanging
onto a fire hydrant,
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and there's a woman saying, "Why don't
you get up and get yourself a job?"
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You know, that sort of thing.
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"You're lyin' about on the
pavement doin' nothin'."
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"Leave me alone,
lady. Leave me alone."
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I think my experience in New York
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gave me the conviction
that I needed
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to make this the work of my life.
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I needed it to reassure myself
that I wasn't wasting my time.
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Cartooning meant more to me
than just doing funny pictures.
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It meant to change
things for the better.
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While I was in New York,
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I got a phone call.
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Hello?
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To go and meet an ex-Hells
Angel who just shaved his head,
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Hunter S. Thompson.
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Hunter, he always called you
in the middle of the night.
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It was always 3:00, 4:00 in the
morning. You knew it was Hunter.
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He said, "God damn it." He
always said, "God damn it."
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"Gotta go to the Kentucky Derby." Well,
it was, like, Wednesday or Thursday.
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Kentucky Derby was Saturday.
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I was like, "Well, okay, you wanna
go to the Kentucky Derby, we'll go."
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He says, "Well, a photographer?"
I said, "We'll find somebody."
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So, it was short notice, so I
thought of this guy Ralph Steadman,
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who was a British cartoonist
whose work I'd seen many times,
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very evil-minded,
twisted kind of guy.
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And so we dragged him to Kentucky
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and they ended up going through this
haze of alcohol and drugs, madness,
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and so they became part
of the story themselves.
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The next day was heavy.
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With 30 hours to post time,
I had no press credentials,
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and according to the sports editor
of the Louisville Courier-Journal,
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no hope at all of getting any.
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Worse, I needed two sets.
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One for myself and
another for Ralph Steadman,
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the English illustrator who was
coming all the way from London
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to do some derby drawings.
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All I knew about him was that this was
his first visit to the United States,
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and the more I pondered that
fact, the more it gave me fear.
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Would he bear up under
the heinous culture shock
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of being lifted out of London
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and plunged into a drunken mob
scene at the Kentucky Derby?
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We had to find each
other, as it were.
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Oh, God. Where is he?
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Eventually, I heard this
voice behind me saying,
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"Excuse me.
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"Are you... Are
you Ralph Steadman?"
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He said, "Would you like a drink?"
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Anyway, we went on
this binge for a week.
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I was making notes and drawing.
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Hunter said, "It's a filthy habit you've
got there, scribbling dark pictures.
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"And around these
parts that's an insult."
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He said, "I've got a horrible feeling
we're gonna have to get out of here."
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From that point on, the weekend
became a vicious drunken nightmare.
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We both went completely to pieces,
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and since poor Steadman had no
choice but to take what came his way,
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he was subjected to
shock after shock.
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We sort of went along
with whatever happened,
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and we'd made that agreement
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with ourselves, you
know, between each other.
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"That's what we do. We just
go and see what happens."
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"I'll do the drawings,
you write," you know?
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So that became the
beginning of Gonzo.
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Now, looking down
from the press box,
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I pointed to the huge grassy
meadow enclosed by the track.
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"That whole thing," I said,
"will be jammed with people,
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"50,000 or so, most of
them staggering drunk.
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"It's a fantastic scene,
thousands of people fainting,
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"crying, copulating, trampling each other
and fighting with broken whiskey bottles."
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I think what he saw,
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in our connection, was
somebody that somehow
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saw the thing in pictures as
he saw it in words, you know.
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And that seemed to me to be part
of the whole chemistry of it,
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that our chemistry there
made Gonzo possible.
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"What I'm trying to
find," he said, Hunter,
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"is a certain kind of Kentucky face,
the face of the Kentucky Derby."
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And the point is that
by the end of the week,
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the very face we were looking for
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was us looking back at
ourselves in the mirror.
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- I don't recognize anyone anymore.
- Yeah.
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What I in fact had done,
without realizing it,
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- was scored a bull's-eye
first time... - Yeah.
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on my first visit to America.
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I mean, I met up with the one man
I needed to meet in all the world,
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- in the whole of America, to work with.
- Yeah.
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I got very depressed when I got
back on the plane to England,
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because I was going
to have to go back
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to a completely
conventional cartoon job.
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And that really didn't
fill me with much happiness.
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Let's go, Beanie.
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Now, take it easy.
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A bit... Ever so free.
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A phone call came
and it was Hunter.
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"Ralph, I've got this manuscript.
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"Could you do us a dozen drawings
of something that could go with it?"
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"Well," I said, "I'll try."
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And I just set about it.
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Got myself some booze as well,
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'cause I seemed to need to be
a bit drunk to do it, you know.
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I did about a dozen drawings,
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rolled them up in a
tube and sent them off.
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"We were somewhere around
Barstow on the edge of the desert
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"when the drugs began to take hold.
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"I remember saying something like,
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"'I feel a bit light-headed.
Maybe you should drive.'
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"And suddenly there was a
terrible roar all around us
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"and the sky was full of
what looked like huge bats,
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"all swooping and screeching
and diving around the car,
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"which was going about
100 miles an hour
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"with the top down to Las Vegas."
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When Fear and Loathing
in Las Vegas came out,
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I think people were stunned by it.
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I mean, nobody had really
seen anything like that.
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It was a full-out celebration of
the most outrageous kind of behavior,
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and then it was so...
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Funny and dangerous
and eccentric and wild.
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Looks like it's gonna be a
classic of 20th century literature.
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So you're down on the main
floor playing blackjack
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and the stakes are getting high.
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When suddenly you chance to look up
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and there, right
smack above your head,
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is a half-naked 14-year-old girl
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being chased through the
air by a snarling Wolverine,
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which is suddenly locked in a death
battle with two silver-painted Polacks,
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who come swinging down
from opposite balconies
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and meet in mid-air on
the wolverine's neck.
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And no one had seen
anything like this before,
241
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certainly not in
American illustration.
242
00:24:17,832 --> 00:24:20,542
And the pictures really
weren't about the story,
243
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but they were a
reflection of the story,
244
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of what was in Hunter's mind.
245
00:24:34,808 --> 00:24:38,778
The casino scene, with all
the lizards, the hitchhiker...
246
00:24:39,104 --> 00:24:43,232
I mean, those things just
have a life of their own,
247
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because they're accompanied
by all this literature with it
248
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and whole stories that
go with each illustration,
249
00:24:49,823 --> 00:24:54,076
or illustrations to
go with each story,
250
00:24:54,077 --> 00:24:57,171
depending on which
point of view you take.
251
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,253
I wanted to get it
out of my system.
252
00:25:04,254 --> 00:25:08,215
It was something that was just
lying there waiting to erupt.
253
00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:10,434
So it was a bit like being sick.
254
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I threw the pictures down
255
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and they worked because they
were about something specific,
256
00:25:20,395 --> 00:25:24,940
but they allowed me a
complete freedom to do...
257
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it was as though I was there.
258
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Are we marking?
259
00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:40,164
Do you feel like your lack
of drug-taking ever affected,
260
00:25:40,165 --> 00:25:42,332
had an effect on your
relationship with Hunter?
261
00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:44,626
No, no, in fact, it
was better that way.
262
00:25:44,627 --> 00:25:47,379
It was better that we
were like chalk and cheese.
263
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I mean, the whole idea of me being
like him would have been ridiculous.
264
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Hunter, it's me!
265
00:25:55,055 --> 00:25:58,474
Because he was someone
entirely different.
266
00:25:58,475 --> 00:26:01,435
We didn't necessarily
see eye to eye.
267
00:26:01,436 --> 00:26:06,190
We had entirely different
experiences of life.
268
00:26:06,191 --> 00:26:11,948
And to him I was weird,
and to me he was weird.
269
00:26:12,739 --> 00:26:15,116
Nice to see you.
270
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Can I get some water?
271
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- Right, you ready?
- Okay.
272
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I like that.
273
00:26:37,013 --> 00:26:39,431
- Did you get that?
- Great.
274
00:26:39,432 --> 00:26:42,726
Oh, dear. I like that one.
275
00:26:42,727 --> 00:26:44,770
Well, this is cartridge paper.
276
00:26:44,771 --> 00:26:47,981
It's a good-quality, very
thick cartridge paper.
277
00:26:47,982 --> 00:26:51,235
And this is Indian ink.
278
00:26:51,903 --> 00:26:53,278
I like a brush...
279
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,656
For that kind of a stroke,
280
00:26:55,657 --> 00:26:58,617
I couldn't have done it
with this one, for instance,
281
00:26:58,618 --> 00:27:01,745
which is less weight.
282
00:27:01,746 --> 00:27:05,415
But it might do
something, and it's lovely.
283
00:27:05,416 --> 00:27:07,634
I love it, what it does.
284
00:27:08,002 --> 00:27:09,711
And I might do
another one down there.
285
00:27:09,712 --> 00:27:14,091
And the way I flick, you just
simply have a flick of the wrist,
286
00:27:14,092 --> 00:27:17,812
which is a sort of a
proper semicircle, in a way.
287
00:27:18,221 --> 00:27:20,222
And then I've got
this here, you know,
288
00:27:20,223 --> 00:27:24,444
and I could take
some of this and go...
289
00:27:27,355 --> 00:27:31,655
Then I could, for instance...
290
00:27:34,988 --> 00:27:37,490
An eye in there.
291
00:27:37,699 --> 00:27:41,201
And I like the idea
of an eye in there
292
00:27:41,202 --> 00:27:46,253
and a sense of some face
that's happening there.
293
00:27:48,793 --> 00:27:53,139
And I blow like so.
294
00:27:57,385 --> 00:27:59,478
And things happen.
295
00:28:19,365 --> 00:28:20,957
What are you doing right now?
296
00:28:21,451 --> 00:28:26,422
Well, I'm pulling away the
gesso from underneath the color.
297
00:28:27,790 --> 00:28:32,044
I think perhaps, you know,
art is just tricks, really.
298
00:28:32,045 --> 00:28:34,504
In a way, I don't know
what there is there.
299
00:28:34,505 --> 00:28:36,673
I mean, it's only a...
300
00:28:36,674 --> 00:28:42,638
it started out as a blank sheet of
paper and it's become more than that.
301
00:28:42,639 --> 00:28:46,268
- There's an event going on in there.
- Yeah.
302
00:28:46,768 --> 00:28:49,270
That's rather nice.
303
00:28:50,813 --> 00:28:52,022
Take Francis Bacon.
304
00:28:52,023 --> 00:28:56,777
He always seemed to manage to make
his pictures look like an event,
305
00:28:56,778 --> 00:28:59,905
even though they
were not necessarily
306
00:28:59,906 --> 00:29:03,408
specifically of somebody.
307
00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:10,332
But he brought excitement into an area that
was apparently, at first glance, nothing.
308
00:29:10,333 --> 00:29:14,878
And I found that to be
pretty amazing, really.
309
00:29:14,879 --> 00:29:20,509
Do you make any use of preliminary
studies or sketches of any sort?
310
00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:22,010
Yes, I do.
311
00:29:22,011 --> 00:29:28,267
But after that, chance and
what I call accident takes over,
312
00:29:28,268 --> 00:29:33,939
when consciously I don't
know what I'm doing.
313
00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:36,191
At that moment,
I'm thinking of nothing
314
00:29:36,192 --> 00:29:40,988
but how hopeless and impossible
this thing is to achieve.
315
00:29:40,989 --> 00:29:46,118
Suddenly there comes something
which your instinct seizes on
316
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:50,624
as being for a moment the thing
by which it could begin to develop.
317
00:29:57,505 --> 00:30:00,507
What that is, in fact, is stop-out.
318
00:30:00,508 --> 00:30:05,345
If I blow more color
over that, then I rub it,
319
00:30:05,346 --> 00:30:10,818
and it pulls this stuff off with the color
and leaves the paper still where it was.
320
00:30:11,602 --> 00:30:14,525
So I'll just do this.
321
00:30:17,984 --> 00:30:22,070
But also I'm worried about
going too far with that
322
00:30:22,071 --> 00:30:24,531
and completely losing it, you know.
323
00:30:24,532 --> 00:30:28,036
- Sure.
- I'd like to leave it for a bit, I think.
324
00:30:34,459 --> 00:30:40,547
The most enigmatic
and inquiring artist
325
00:30:40,548 --> 00:30:44,018
that ever lived would be Rembrandt,
326
00:30:45,511 --> 00:30:48,889
who took it upon himself to do
327
00:30:48,890 --> 00:30:51,266
self-portrait after self-portrait
328
00:30:51,267 --> 00:30:54,520
in the process of getting older.
329
00:30:56,939 --> 00:30:59,566
It was the most undecorative idea,
330
00:30:59,567 --> 00:31:01,818
taking yourself
331
00:31:01,819 --> 00:31:04,742
and watching yourself grow old,
332
00:31:05,740 --> 00:31:10,118
and give us an
animation of his aging
333
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:15,045
in beautiful paintings,
great self-portraits.
334
00:31:16,417 --> 00:31:21,588
It was the most scintillating
intellectual exercise
335
00:31:21,589 --> 00:31:23,932
that one could imagine.
336
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,948
Now what I'm gonna do is,
337
00:31:47,949 --> 00:31:52,619
'cause on there, there's all
this lovely masking fluid,
338
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:54,496
and this is the only thing
that will take it off,
339
00:31:54,497 --> 00:31:57,375
which is masking fluid gone solid.
340
00:32:00,002 --> 00:32:02,129
What's underneath there?
341
00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:05,474
And this coming out now.
You're watching this?
342
00:32:08,886 --> 00:32:14,017
Some sort of substantial sort of
343
00:32:15,852 --> 00:32:20,858
place exists beyond the skyline.
344
00:32:22,859 --> 00:32:25,610
I find this funny, because even
amongst all the great details,
345
00:32:25,611 --> 00:32:29,489
there's precision in your work,
but you're still very, very playful.
346
00:32:29,490 --> 00:32:32,492
Well, it's 'cause I'm
not very professional.
347
00:32:32,493 --> 00:32:35,579
I don't go out of my
way to be professional.
348
00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:37,914
I go out of my way to
try and make something
349
00:32:37,915 --> 00:32:42,836
that is as unexpected to me as
it is to anyone else, you know?
350
00:32:42,837 --> 00:32:44,964
That's perfect.
351
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:56,016
I think, most importantly, Picasso
has been the biggest influence of all,
352
00:32:56,017 --> 00:33:02,522
because of his continuing
persistent creative daily life.
353
00:33:02,523 --> 00:33:08,120
The way he made his life into the
reason for his living every day.
354
00:33:08,863 --> 00:33:12,908
And it gave me a purpose,
too, in a strange kind of way,
355
00:33:12,909 --> 00:33:15,744
and a sense of, "God, is there
anything on that piece of paper?"
356
00:33:15,745 --> 00:33:17,704
"Anything can be there."
357
00:33:17,705 --> 00:33:22,881
And Picasso proved it day
after day after day after day.
358
00:33:33,721 --> 00:33:38,266
He convinced me that
the thing I can do is
359
00:33:38,267 --> 00:33:41,269
simply start a drawing
360
00:33:41,270 --> 00:33:43,730
and it will come out
the other end somehow.
361
00:33:43,731 --> 00:33:46,525
And I won't know how it's
going to come out completely,
362
00:33:46,526 --> 00:33:49,444
but that's the fascination.
363
00:33:49,445 --> 00:33:52,789
That makes it a worthwhile pursuit.
364
00:33:54,575 --> 00:33:57,077
If I knew what was going
to happen before I started,
365
00:33:57,078 --> 00:33:59,956
what would be the
point of doing it?
366
00:34:01,749 --> 00:34:06,755
If you surprise yourself still,
you really could have a good trip.
367
00:34:36,492 --> 00:34:37,951
Well, the phone rang.
368
00:34:37,952 --> 00:34:40,912
"Ralph, this is Hunter."
369
00:34:40,913 --> 00:34:45,584
"So they seem to have liked
the Kentucky Derby piece
370
00:34:45,585 --> 00:34:47,961
"and they want us to do
something else, you know.
371
00:34:47,962 --> 00:34:51,089
"They want us to go to Zaire
372
00:34:51,090 --> 00:34:53,508
"and cover the Ali/Foreman fight,
373
00:34:53,509 --> 00:34:55,636
"the Rumble in the Jungle."
374
00:34:55,678 --> 00:34:59,398
So I said, "Yes, Hunter,
I think that would be very nice."
375
00:35:05,187 --> 00:35:08,940
I flew from London
and I arrived in Zaire,
376
00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:11,985
and the first thing I noticed
when I got off the plane
377
00:35:11,986 --> 00:35:13,533
was the blanket of heat.
378
00:35:26,626 --> 00:35:28,376
The first thing Hunter did
379
00:35:28,377 --> 00:35:30,712
was to go out and buy himself
380
00:35:30,713 --> 00:35:34,217
a massive bag of grass.
381
00:35:35,134 --> 00:35:39,013
And I thought to myself,
"I'm not gonna enjoy this."
382
00:35:46,896 --> 00:35:49,314
The phone rang and it was Hunter.
383
00:35:49,315 --> 00:35:52,108
"Ralph, got a great story.
384
00:35:52,109 --> 00:35:54,402
"Cover the America's
Cup in Rhode island."
385
00:35:54,403 --> 00:35:57,907
And I said, "Well,
I don't really like boats."
386
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:01,660
So when we got there,
387
00:36:01,661 --> 00:36:05,791
the weather was so
bad, the race was off.
388
00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:13,923
I got a call from him.
"Ralph, this is Hunter here."
389
00:36:14,006 --> 00:36:16,679
"How do you feel about
doing another story?"
390
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:19,803
Sorry. "Dr. Hunter S. Thompson,
391
00:36:19,804 --> 00:36:22,389
"care of General Delivery,
Woody Creek, Colorado,
392
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:24,483
"It was May 23, 1980."
393
00:36:25,226 --> 00:36:26,267
"Dear Hunter,
394
00:36:26,268 --> 00:36:28,896
"we would like you to cover
the Honolulu Marathon."
395
00:36:29,063 --> 00:36:32,565
"We will pay all expenses
and an excellent fee."
396
00:36:32,566 --> 00:36:35,945
"Think about it. This is a
good chance for a vacation."
397
00:36:36,487 --> 00:36:38,330
Feels nice.
398
00:36:42,076 --> 00:36:43,868
And the idea was
399
00:36:43,869 --> 00:36:46,037
Hunter and I would
come out of the chocks,
400
00:36:46,038 --> 00:36:48,289
"shoulder to shoulder,"
as he put it, you know,
401
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:53,466
and run as fast as hell,
obviously leaving people behind.
402
00:36:54,088 --> 00:36:58,309
And a truck would pick us up and
take us the rest of the way, you see.
403
00:37:00,845 --> 00:37:02,721
George Foreman,
I will bruise him up.
404
00:37:02,722 --> 00:37:05,348
If I don't knock him out,
I will cut him all up.
405
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:08,068
Nicks and cuts all over his face.
406
00:37:09,186 --> 00:37:11,604
On the eighth floor of
the Intercontinental,
407
00:37:11,605 --> 00:37:14,904
George Foreman would
go walking with the dog.
408
00:37:22,491 --> 00:37:24,784
I came up with another idea.
409
00:37:24,785 --> 00:37:28,371
Why don't we go in
amongst the two boats,
410
00:37:28,372 --> 00:37:31,082
the Gretel and the Intrepid,
411
00:37:31,083 --> 00:37:34,794
and I write something, with a spray
can, on the side of one of the boats?
412
00:37:34,795 --> 00:37:37,088
He said, "What are you
gonna write, Ralph?"
413
00:37:37,089 --> 00:37:41,435
I said, "Well, I thought
of writing 'Fuck the Pope.'"
414
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:50,560
And we waited for the people
who were by this time knackered.
415
00:37:50,561 --> 00:37:53,280
Then we'd be there to jeer.
416
00:37:55,191 --> 00:37:58,786
"Run, you bastard,
run!" we would shout.
417
00:37:59,695 --> 00:38:04,657
They went, "You filthy buggers!
No sportsmanship in you."
418
00:38:04,658 --> 00:38:07,827
We'd gone there to
screw the race up.
419
00:38:07,828 --> 00:38:09,662
It's an awful thing to do.
420
00:38:09,663 --> 00:38:13,758
I mean, this is the
mean face of Gonzo.
421
00:38:18,464 --> 00:38:22,969
Hunter said, "Are you ready
for this?" I said, "Yes."
422
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,722
And you know when you take a
spray can, you have to shake it.
423
00:38:27,723 --> 00:38:29,724
And there's a little
ball, so you've got this,
424
00:38:29,725 --> 00:38:31,059
"Click, click, click..."
425
00:38:31,060 --> 00:38:34,813
I heard somebody say, "What
are you guys doing down there?"
426
00:38:34,814 --> 00:38:37,106
And Hunter said, "God, pigs."
427
00:38:37,107 --> 00:38:39,818
"We've failed. We must flee."
428
00:38:39,819 --> 00:38:42,904
And he brought out Leary flares,
429
00:38:42,905 --> 00:38:46,866
which you only use in times of
distress in the middle of an ocean,
430
00:38:46,867 --> 00:38:50,078
which he set off in the harbor,
431
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:54,880
and some of them fell onto
boats and that caused mayhem.
432
00:39:03,676 --> 00:39:06,219
I said to Hunter, "When
are we going to the fight?"
433
00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:10,065
"We're not, Ralph.
I sold the tickets." "What?"
434
00:39:11,016 --> 00:39:14,853
He went down to the pool,
threw the grass into the pool
435
00:39:14,854 --> 00:39:17,402
and dived straight into it.
436
00:39:19,441 --> 00:39:20,817
We couldn't go and see the fight.
437
00:39:20,818 --> 00:39:23,778
The only way I could go and
see it was on television,
438
00:39:23,779 --> 00:39:25,872
which I did in the bar.
439
00:39:30,578 --> 00:39:31,953
The moment the fight was over,
440
00:39:31,954 --> 00:39:35,999
everybody just wanted
to get out of Zaire.
441
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,844
"We must get out of
here. We must flee."
442
00:39:44,341 --> 00:39:46,467
It's a good way to do
stuff, for no good reason.
443
00:39:46,468 --> 00:39:47,886
Another of Hunter's phrases.
444
00:39:47,887 --> 00:39:52,813
"Why are we doing this, Hunter?"
"For no good reason, Ralph."
445
00:39:56,312 --> 00:39:58,396
What I seem to have become
446
00:39:58,397 --> 00:40:04,495
is a kind of visual
chronicler of a part of Hunter.
447
00:40:04,904 --> 00:40:07,280
I had personified him.
448
00:40:07,281 --> 00:40:10,450
That was like a comic character.
449
00:40:10,451 --> 00:40:15,038
He'd got a cigarette holder. Had to
have it. It was part of the outfit.
450
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:19,885
And he had all those things
and I gave them all to him.
451
00:40:26,342 --> 00:40:28,217
'Cause he didn't like the idea
452
00:40:28,218 --> 00:40:33,514
that anyone was going
to outwit him in any way,
453
00:40:33,515 --> 00:40:35,558
you know, that he would...
454
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:40,064
He's in charge. He's the
writer. I'm just an artist.
455
00:40:40,189 --> 00:40:41,481
I'm Edward.
456
00:40:41,482 --> 00:40:44,567
He has a bird called Edward,
such a marvelous character...
457
00:40:44,568 --> 00:40:46,027
I think Hunter tormented it,
458
00:40:46,028 --> 00:40:48,529
but I think there was a
kind of two-way affection
459
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:49,656
or something going on.
460
00:40:49,657 --> 00:40:52,455
Edward, talk to me. No?
461
00:40:52,826 --> 00:40:55,787
Hunter would use it, I think,
to bounce off, you know.
462
00:40:55,788 --> 00:40:57,622
He'd use it as a kind
of victim, you know,
463
00:40:57,623 --> 00:41:02,377
something to bring into the story
and how he was feeling about it,
464
00:41:02,378 --> 00:41:03,461
who was the bird.
465
00:41:03,462 --> 00:41:07,387
I suppose at some point I, in a
way, became the bird, you know.
466
00:41:13,347 --> 00:41:15,394
Now.
467
00:41:15,766 --> 00:41:19,486
Now we're going to talk,
Edward. Speak to me. Yes.
468
00:41:21,772 --> 00:41:24,065
I feel like Edward
sometimes, in a situation,
469
00:41:24,066 --> 00:41:26,734
I feel absolutely taken apart,
470
00:41:26,735 --> 00:41:30,029
as though he's had a whole
session of talking to me, you know,
471
00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:33,659
holding me like a bird and I'm
trying to bite my way out of it.
472
00:41:34,284 --> 00:41:36,878
And that was our
relationship, actually.
473
00:41:38,956 --> 00:41:42,960
It was ill-treatment,
you know, that he gave me.
474
00:41:44,837 --> 00:41:47,797
Speak up, Edward, speak
up. Speak up! Talk to me!
475
00:41:47,798 --> 00:41:51,509
He could be an absolute
son of a bitch, you know,
476
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:58,359
and left me sometimes
in a right state.
477
00:43:53,382 --> 00:43:55,967
The basis of Ralph
and Hunter's friendship
478
00:43:55,968 --> 00:43:59,804
was that they saw kindred
spirits in each other.
479
00:43:59,805 --> 00:44:02,431
I think that the
difference was that
480
00:44:02,432 --> 00:44:06,607
Hunter realized that
Ralph was crazier than him.
481
00:44:07,312 --> 00:44:10,439
Ralph was willing to go to extremes
that Hunter was not willing to,
482
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,776
and you'd think Hunter would be
the one who was the, you know,
483
00:44:13,777 --> 00:44:15,570
more outrageous and reckless
484
00:44:15,571 --> 00:44:17,947
and the one who would go
out on a limb on something.
485
00:44:17,948 --> 00:44:19,407
But Ralph was the one
who'd actually go there.
486
00:44:19,408 --> 00:44:21,826
I'm not talking
about physical safety.
487
00:44:21,827 --> 00:44:25,496
But I'm talking about
sort of, you know,
488
00:44:25,497 --> 00:44:30,793
mental, moral, philosophical,
489
00:44:30,794 --> 00:44:33,217
take a chance with your own work.
490
00:44:54,026 --> 00:44:56,485
I think America is where
491
00:44:56,486 --> 00:45:00,832
all that was going wrong in
the world was being nurtured.
492
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:06,662
Blast the hell out
of North Vietnam...
493
00:45:06,663 --> 00:45:08,206
- Do you agree?
- Absolutely.
494
00:45:08,207 --> 00:45:13,544
If anything, before the election,
we're gonna bomb more, believe me.
495
00:45:13,545 --> 00:45:16,005
It seemed to me they
needed attacking.
496
00:45:16,006 --> 00:45:20,051
It was something that
absolutely had to be done.
497
00:45:20,052 --> 00:45:25,348
So it had fallen to me to do this.
498
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:28,559
It was my duty to change the world.
499
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,312
I'd always thought I
wanted to change the world.
500
00:45:31,313 --> 00:45:33,781
Now was the moment.
501
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,665
Ralph was willing to say
anything about anybody.
502
00:45:50,666 --> 00:45:53,876
I mean, his moral
sensibility was affronted
503
00:45:53,877 --> 00:45:57,176
and he would just say
so, he wouldn't stop.
504
00:45:57,965 --> 00:46:01,514
And thus in a certain sense insane,
505
00:46:02,219 --> 00:46:06,180
willing to, you know, go to the
limits of what was appropriate,
506
00:46:06,181 --> 00:46:08,599
beyond the limits of what was
appropriate and what was sanity,
507
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,226
and dangerous in that way.
508
00:46:14,106 --> 00:46:18,192
Because people have gotta know whether
or not their president's a crook.
509
00:46:18,193 --> 00:46:19,990
Well, I'm not a crook.
510
00:46:23,448 --> 00:46:28,995
I had found my voice and I
wasn't at all afraid anymore.
511
00:46:28,996 --> 00:46:33,376
I was going to use it as a weapon.
512
00:46:52,144 --> 00:46:55,146
One continually lives in hope
513
00:46:55,147 --> 00:46:59,692
and that you are coming along as
a sort of knight in shining armor
514
00:46:59,693 --> 00:47:01,777
and you're going to do your best.
515
00:47:01,778 --> 00:47:04,905
In a way, you're being
rather self-righteous.
516
00:47:04,906 --> 00:47:09,410
But be proud of the fact that
you are attempting to put right
517
00:47:09,411 --> 00:47:11,913
what really is wrong.
518
00:47:23,216 --> 00:47:25,760
Since then Steadman
has gone back and forth,
519
00:47:25,761 --> 00:47:28,929
contributing regularly to the
pages of Rolling Stone magazine,
520
00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:31,390
recording some of the
significant political events
521
00:47:31,391 --> 00:47:33,476
and personalities of American life.
522
00:47:33,477 --> 00:47:35,061
His output is prolific.
523
00:47:35,062 --> 00:47:39,032
He even writes Rolling Stone's
occasional gardening column.
524
00:47:39,733 --> 00:47:41,776
Yeah, I wanted to write.
525
00:47:41,777 --> 00:47:43,486
Really?
526
00:47:43,487 --> 00:47:47,615
And having Hunter saying
to me, "Don't write, Ralph.
527
00:47:47,616 --> 00:47:50,743
"You'll bring shame
on your family."
528
00:47:50,744 --> 00:47:54,248
That spurred me on and I
thought, "No, bugger you."
529
00:47:57,209 --> 00:48:01,839
She's my love
530
00:48:03,090 --> 00:48:07,510
She's my life
531
00:48:07,511 --> 00:48:12,640
It's really such a pity that
she's someone else's wife
532
00:48:12,641 --> 00:48:16,941
She's my love...
533
00:48:18,980 --> 00:48:22,108
Thank you for ringing.
I'm not here at the moment.
534
00:48:22,109 --> 00:48:28,332
I'm busy writing a book and
I'll ring you later. Thanks.
535
00:48:51,513 --> 00:48:54,598
I need a couple of drinks, actually,
to start on this, really do.
536
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:56,642
What is the time now, by the way?
537
00:48:56,643 --> 00:48:58,315
- 12:00.
- Right.
538
00:49:02,315 --> 00:49:05,901
The task I set myself was
filled with such challenge
539
00:49:05,902 --> 00:49:09,280
that I feared the very
touching of the wall.
540
00:49:09,281 --> 00:49:12,366
At times I was overcome
with desperate fear
541
00:49:12,367 --> 00:49:16,622
and dared not mar the
whiteness there before me.
542
00:49:23,044 --> 00:49:27,590
And I began to paint upon the
wall itself on 6th June, 1505,
543
00:49:27,591 --> 00:49:30,890
at the stroke of the 13th hour.
544
00:49:30,969 --> 00:49:34,013
At the moment of putting
the brush upon the wall,
545
00:49:34,014 --> 00:49:38,564
the skies darkened and
the bells started to toll.
546
00:49:40,395 --> 00:49:43,355
Leonardo da Vinci was a genius.
547
00:49:43,356 --> 00:49:46,442
In fact, Sigmund Freud said
548
00:49:46,443 --> 00:49:49,241
he was the man who
woke up in the dark.
549
00:49:53,366 --> 00:49:56,785
I thought, "Am I knowledgeable
enough to know anything
550
00:49:56,786 --> 00:49:59,663
"about such a man as
Leonardo da Vinci?"
551
00:49:59,664 --> 00:50:01,916
There must be loads
of people around
552
00:50:01,917 --> 00:50:04,210
who have done books
about Leonardo da Vinci.
553
00:50:04,211 --> 00:50:08,839
And I found there were more than most
people have ever been written about.
554
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:14,096
So how can I possibly write
a book that was different?
555
00:50:14,763 --> 00:50:16,931
How many books have
you read about Leonardo?
556
00:50:16,932 --> 00:50:19,308
I suppose I've been
through about 50,
557
00:50:19,309 --> 00:50:24,565
and I'm none the wiser.
I don't know a damn thing.
558
00:50:26,358 --> 00:50:28,692
About halfway through
I suddenly thought,
559
00:50:28,693 --> 00:50:31,904
"What if I call
myself 'I, Leonardo'?"
560
00:50:31,905 --> 00:50:34,407
And so I became Leonardo.
561
00:50:37,661 --> 00:50:40,664
It was 16th of December, 1982.
562
00:50:41,581 --> 00:50:44,800
The angle for my book
on Leonardo da Vinci.
563
00:50:45,001 --> 00:50:48,380
I would write it
in the first person.
564
00:50:48,672 --> 00:50:51,891
I would look through his eyes.
565
00:50:52,133 --> 00:50:55,177
Only I will know what it felt like.
566
00:50:55,178 --> 00:50:57,601
No experts can tell me.
567
00:51:01,309 --> 00:51:03,644
This allows me artistic license
568
00:51:03,645 --> 00:51:07,856
and affords me the luxury
of telling my life story
569
00:51:07,857 --> 00:51:12,828
without all the doubt that
accompanies most biographies about me.
570
00:51:25,166 --> 00:51:28,544
The reason I chose
Leonardo as a subject
571
00:51:28,545 --> 00:51:31,755
was because of something he said,
572
00:51:31,756 --> 00:51:35,305
that genius was the
capacity for taking pains.
573
00:51:37,721 --> 00:51:42,766
In a way I recognized
something of me in him,
574
00:51:42,767 --> 00:51:49,650
that I was trying hard to
be something rather special.
575
00:51:49,816 --> 00:51:52,276
And that's not swanky-ing about it.
576
00:51:52,277 --> 00:51:58,830
It's just trying to do something
as definitively as I possibly could
577
00:51:58,867 --> 00:52:03,122
that served the purpose
it was intended to serve.
578
00:52:08,877 --> 00:52:13,047
He was fascinated
by why things worked
579
00:52:13,048 --> 00:52:15,507
and how interrelated they all were.
580
00:52:15,508 --> 00:52:20,889
Everything that he
designed and invented
581
00:52:21,056 --> 00:52:26,062
were the result of
thinking about life itself.
582
00:52:28,104 --> 00:52:32,274
I think the most significant
thing that Leonardo did,
583
00:52:32,275 --> 00:52:34,234
that makes him so special,
584
00:52:34,235 --> 00:52:39,073
was that he came out with something that
probably other people had dreamed of,
585
00:52:39,074 --> 00:52:42,043
and that was how to fly.
586
00:52:45,163 --> 00:52:47,665
I devised a simple flying harness
587
00:52:47,666 --> 00:52:51,877
whereby myself, or someone who
might fit the harness willingly,
588
00:52:51,878 --> 00:52:55,473
would soar out from some eminence.
589
00:53:05,892 --> 00:53:09,061
The parachute invented by Leonardo
590
00:53:09,062 --> 00:53:13,032
would have been, you know, a
triangular... Like a pyramid.
591
00:53:29,582 --> 00:53:34,178
But then he came out with a
cleverer idea, which was the glider.
592
00:53:40,802 --> 00:53:42,219
It flies,
593
00:53:42,220 --> 00:53:44,393
but I don't.
594
00:53:51,438 --> 00:53:55,107
You know, I learned a lot from
him. I learned a lot from...
595
00:53:55,108 --> 00:53:56,567
This is how I got an education.
596
00:53:56,568 --> 00:54:01,414
I didn't have an education
before I started doing stuff.
597
00:54:02,824 --> 00:54:06,368
And, you know, I mean,
I left school with zilch.
598
00:54:06,369 --> 00:54:08,166
Yeah.
599
00:54:27,515 --> 00:54:29,641
I went to Abergele Grammar School.
600
00:54:29,642 --> 00:54:33,021
The headmaster's
name was D.B. Jones.
601
00:54:35,023 --> 00:54:38,618
He was such a sweet, gentle man.
602
00:54:40,278 --> 00:54:45,866
After D.B. Jones retired,
we got a new headmaster,
603
00:54:45,867 --> 00:54:48,202
Dr. Hubert Hughes.
604
00:54:48,203 --> 00:54:52,790
He took over and authority
became very important for him,
605
00:54:52,791 --> 00:54:55,293
and caning boys.
606
00:55:02,383 --> 00:55:07,387
My head is down because,
in a peculiar way,
607
00:55:07,388 --> 00:55:10,808
I felt that school was in some ways
608
00:55:10,809 --> 00:55:14,520
a rather authoritative process.
609
00:55:14,521 --> 00:55:17,105
And that's when I coined
a phrase which was,
610
00:55:17,106 --> 00:55:20,325
"Authority is the
mask of violence."
611
00:55:27,075 --> 00:55:29,493
I can't stand bullies,
612
00:55:29,494 --> 00:55:31,245
and there have been so many of them
613
00:55:31,246 --> 00:55:33,664
and they've been always
in positions of power.
614
00:55:33,665 --> 00:55:37,760
I'm afraid I find that
frankly unforgivable.
615
00:55:40,004 --> 00:55:45,425
The desire to shock is also a
way of getting back at authority.
616
00:55:45,426 --> 00:55:48,725
That idea that,
"Righto, you owe me."
617
00:55:48,805 --> 00:55:52,891
You scared the living
daylights out of me as a kid
618
00:55:52,892 --> 00:55:58,063
with your awful way of dealing
with children and school.
619
00:55:58,064 --> 00:56:04,367
I was trying to hurt the thing
that hurt me, if you like.
620
00:56:07,699 --> 00:56:14,621
It's the key to opening the
door into my dark spirit inside
621
00:56:14,622 --> 00:56:16,164
and out comes
622
00:56:16,165 --> 00:56:19,459
the drawing that some
people call vicious
623
00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:23,297
and all sorts of other
names, or perceptive even.
624
00:56:23,298 --> 00:56:24,890
Sure.
625
00:56:25,133 --> 00:56:28,719
It's like a filter
somewhere inside me
626
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:32,347
that lets it through
and onto paper,
627
00:56:32,348 --> 00:56:35,317
and the anger is expressed.
628
00:56:35,435 --> 00:56:38,353
It doesn't matter that
I'm pleasant one minute
629
00:56:38,354 --> 00:56:41,565
and then I'm suddenly
vitriolic the next.
630
00:56:41,566 --> 00:56:44,364
They go together. It's perfect.
631
00:57:17,644 --> 00:57:20,354
Well, this is a little
booklet I put together
632
00:57:20,355 --> 00:57:22,731
to celebrate the 50th anniversary
633
00:57:22,732 --> 00:57:28,363
of the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights.
634
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:32,625
And so it's introduced
and illustrated by me.
635
00:57:35,161 --> 00:57:36,870
Article 1.
636
00:57:36,871 --> 00:57:40,707
All human beings are born free
and equal in dignity and rights.
637
00:57:40,708 --> 00:57:43,210
They are endowed with
reason and conscience
638
00:57:43,211 --> 00:57:47,547
and should act towards one
another in a spirit of brotherhood.
639
00:57:47,548 --> 00:57:49,508
Article 2.
640
00:57:49,509 --> 00:57:52,427
Everyone is entitled to
all the rights and freedoms
641
00:57:52,428 --> 00:57:54,513
set forth in this declaration.
642
00:57:54,514 --> 00:57:56,139
Article 3.
643
00:57:56,140 --> 00:58:00,816
Everyone has the right to life,
liberty and security of person.
644
00:58:00,895 --> 00:58:05,107
Article 4. No one shall be
held in slavery or servitude.
645
00:58:05,108 --> 00:58:09,695
Article 5. No one shall be
subject to torture or cruel...
646
00:58:09,696 --> 00:58:14,282
Article 6. Everyone has the
right to recognition everywhere
647
00:58:14,283 --> 00:58:17,661
as a person before the law.
648
00:58:17,662 --> 00:58:19,413
Article 7.
649
00:58:19,414 --> 00:58:21,081
All are equal before the law
650
00:58:21,082 --> 00:58:23,917
and are entitled without
any discrimination...
651
00:58:23,918 --> 00:58:29,297
Nothing in this declaration may be
interpreted as implying for any state,
652
00:58:29,298 --> 00:58:33,969
any right to engage in any
activity or to perform any act
653
00:58:33,970 --> 00:58:36,188
aimed at the destruction...
654
00:58:58,995 --> 00:59:04,374
People actually had the
balls, had the foresight,
655
00:59:04,375 --> 00:59:07,461
had the understanding
of human nature,
656
00:59:07,462 --> 00:59:12,132
to say, "We don't just talk
about it. We write it down."
657
00:59:12,133 --> 00:59:16,979
Then we remind ourselves
of what human rights are.
658
00:59:26,064 --> 00:59:28,774
What I'll try to do is draw things
659
00:59:28,775 --> 00:59:33,528
because I'm angry at these people
who are cheated and swindled.
660
00:59:33,529 --> 00:59:37,750
That's who my enemy
is. That's my object,
661
00:59:37,784 --> 00:59:41,584
the object of my protest.
662
00:59:44,540 --> 00:59:47,834
I just wanted to be taken seriously
663
00:59:47,835 --> 00:59:53,216
as an artist who was
doing serious cartoons.
664
01:00:00,556 --> 01:00:02,273
The age of miracles.
665
01:00:02,475 --> 01:00:06,686
A pocket-sized, folding,
electronically controlled,
666
01:00:06,687 --> 01:00:09,523
motor-driven,
single-lens reflex camera
667
01:00:09,524 --> 01:00:11,900
that quite simply
does the impossible.
668
01:00:11,901 --> 01:00:13,610
Come a bit closer.
669
01:00:13,611 --> 01:00:17,866
Focus. Train.
670
01:00:18,074 --> 01:00:20,659
Touch the electric button...
671
01:00:20,660 --> 01:00:22,628
And the impossible happens.
672
01:00:24,497 --> 01:00:29,252
In minutes, you have a finished
photograph of dazzling beauty.
673
01:00:32,672 --> 01:00:38,645
That is the Polaroid
SX-70 experience.
674
01:00:39,554 --> 01:00:41,101
Yeah, that's better.
675
01:00:41,681 --> 01:00:43,683
- Ready?
- Yeah.
676
01:00:45,434 --> 01:00:48,311
- It worked.
- There's no film in it.
677
01:00:48,312 --> 01:00:50,234
I wanna do it again.
678
01:00:57,530 --> 01:01:00,866
In 1996, I published With Nails,
679
01:01:00,867 --> 01:01:03,326
which was a compilation
of film diaries,
680
01:01:03,327 --> 01:01:06,079
and I wanted
681
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,416
the fly covers on the inside of
the book, the back and the front.
682
01:01:09,417 --> 01:01:14,421
I thought it'd be a good idea as
Ralph was so emblematic to Withnail.
683
01:01:14,422 --> 01:01:17,924
I asked Ralph if he could come
up with a drawing or some idea.
684
01:01:17,925 --> 01:01:22,271
And he said, "Come down
and we'll do paranoids."
685
01:01:40,406 --> 01:01:42,282
He took pictures of
well-known people,
686
01:01:42,283 --> 01:01:45,327
or characters like Bela
Lugosi or John Travolta,
687
01:01:45,328 --> 01:01:47,626
and then would stick
them on my face.
688
01:01:49,373 --> 01:01:50,749
- That one worked.
- Yeah.
689
01:01:50,750 --> 01:01:52,918
Okay, we're onto something now.
690
01:01:52,919 --> 01:01:55,587
Now, let me play with
these ones for a minute.
691
01:01:55,588 --> 01:01:58,715
And then work on the Polaroid
when it was still warm
692
01:01:58,716 --> 01:02:02,390
and fiddle around so that the
two images melded together.
693
01:02:06,724 --> 01:02:08,725
They're directly on the...
694
01:02:08,726 --> 01:02:11,937
- Done onto the film.
- Onto the film.
695
01:02:11,938 --> 01:02:14,522
While it's still...
While it's still...
696
01:02:14,523 --> 01:02:19,736
I was after getting the real person
and then doing something to it.
697
01:02:19,737 --> 01:02:23,198
I was actually trying to get
a good picture of somebody,
698
01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:25,033
then distorting it,
699
01:02:25,034 --> 01:02:27,957
to look like one of my drawings.
700
01:02:31,999 --> 01:02:34,542
It was the essence of my work
701
01:02:34,543 --> 01:02:40,550
to distort and yet
maintain the likeness.
702
01:02:46,138 --> 01:02:50,225
I thought, this is great, so I
just fiddled with each one I did,
703
01:02:50,226 --> 01:02:56,022
and made that happen, made
them move in an expressive way.
704
01:02:56,023 --> 01:03:00,026
And I thought, "Well, that speaks
to me as my kind of drawing."
705
01:03:00,027 --> 01:03:02,325
That's what I like, you know.
706
01:03:02,530 --> 01:03:09,413
So I started doing them of
the Queen and Princess Di.
707
01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:15,041
And that was Fergie, which I
thought, "That's coming out well."
708
01:03:15,042 --> 01:03:18,003
And I thought, "I've
got a book here."
709
01:03:18,004 --> 01:03:19,972
So I did a book of it.
710
01:03:42,862 --> 01:03:44,821
Anyway, they all
came out like that,
711
01:03:44,822 --> 01:03:47,575
and there was one,
and it's this one.
712
01:03:48,034 --> 01:03:52,871
We were at the
Jerome Hotel in Aspen,
713
01:03:52,872 --> 01:03:54,914
and there was a sort of reception
714
01:03:54,915 --> 01:03:58,668
and David Hockney had
been invited as well.
715
01:03:58,669 --> 01:04:01,796
And then I saw David in the bar.
716
01:04:01,797 --> 01:04:04,215
So I went up behind him,
717
01:04:04,216 --> 01:04:08,678
had the camera ready,
and I said, "David."
718
01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:11,056
And he turned round like
that and I went "Click, bash!"
719
01:04:11,057 --> 01:04:13,350
And the thing hit him, you see.
720
01:04:13,351 --> 01:04:16,149
And he said, "It won't
come out, you know."
721
01:04:16,437 --> 01:04:18,938
Goddamn know-all.
722
01:04:18,939 --> 01:04:21,817
It came out as one
of the best, actually.
723
01:04:24,487 --> 01:04:26,489
Can I pick it up?
724
01:04:33,871 --> 01:04:35,623
Does this sound distorted to you?
725
01:04:37,833 --> 01:04:39,042
Okeydoke.
726
01:04:39,043 --> 01:04:41,294
The war file...
727
01:04:41,295 --> 01:04:43,546
One more time. Sorry, Ralph.
728
01:04:43,547 --> 01:04:48,018
The war file, 1963, 2003.
729
01:04:49,428 --> 01:04:55,058
I protest, I protest, I protest,
I protest vehemently against the war.
730
01:04:55,059 --> 01:04:57,268
I protest vehemently
against the war.
731
01:04:57,269 --> 01:05:01,314
I'm seeking out every drawing
I've done since the '60s,
732
01:05:01,315 --> 01:05:05,527
which in one way or another displays
the irony of our crass stupidity.
733
01:05:05,528 --> 01:05:08,446
I will miss some things.
There are so many.
734
01:05:08,447 --> 01:05:10,198
I know nothing will be solved,
735
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:13,543
but I do it for my
sanity and world peace.
736
01:05:14,578 --> 01:05:19,003
Our leaders are mindless,
arrogant and insane.
737
01:05:35,099 --> 01:05:40,145
The thing about Ralph's work is
it was just the energy, the anger,
738
01:05:40,146 --> 01:05:42,522
the venom that was just spewed out,
739
01:05:42,523 --> 01:05:45,025
and that's what I loved.
740
01:05:53,284 --> 01:05:57,954
I wish I'd had that kind of
ability to explode like Ralph does
741
01:05:57,955 --> 01:06:00,753
and still control
it at the same time.
742
01:06:09,550 --> 01:06:12,510
The problem with protest
is we were the protesters
743
01:06:12,511 --> 01:06:15,013
and we got old and we got tired.
744
01:06:15,014 --> 01:06:18,141
We screamed and shouted and we did
change the world to some degree,
745
01:06:18,142 --> 01:06:19,642
but not as much as we'd like.
746
01:06:19,643 --> 01:06:23,897
And that leads to depression and
a sort of sense of semi-impotence,
747
01:06:23,898 --> 01:06:26,483
which I think after a while
begins to just wear you down.
748
01:06:26,484 --> 01:06:29,402
You realize that you
did make these changes
749
01:06:29,403 --> 01:06:32,155
and you see a new generation
of people coming up
750
01:06:32,156 --> 01:06:37,327
who are the beneficiaries of
a lot of the noise we made,
751
01:06:37,328 --> 01:06:40,705
and they don't give a damn,
they don't give a toss.
752
01:06:40,706 --> 01:06:42,040
They're into shopping.
753
01:06:42,041 --> 01:06:45,010
So it gets very hard to
know what to do with this.
754
01:06:47,254 --> 01:06:50,507
Ralph can't stop.
I don't think I can stop.
755
01:06:50,508 --> 01:06:54,177
We'll go to our graves shouting
and screaming and making noise
756
01:06:54,178 --> 01:06:56,680
and nobody will listen.
757
01:07:03,604 --> 01:07:07,065
To John Dillinger and I
hope he is still alive.
758
01:07:07,066 --> 01:07:12,663
Thanksgiving Day,
November 28th, 1986.
759
01:07:14,448 --> 01:07:17,992
Thanks for the wild turkey
and the passenger pigeons
760
01:07:17,993 --> 01:07:19,744
destined to be shit out
761
01:07:19,745 --> 01:07:23,590
through wholesome American guts.
762
01:07:25,251 --> 01:07:29,381
Thanks for a continent
to despoil and poison.
763
01:07:31,257 --> 01:07:37,230
Thanks for Indians to provide a
modicum of challenge and danger.
764
01:07:38,931 --> 01:07:43,977
Thanks for vast herds of
bison to kill and skin,
765
01:07:43,978 --> 01:07:47,106
leaving the carcasses to rot.
766
01:07:49,817 --> 01:07:54,163
Thanks for bounties
on wolves and coyotes.
767
01:07:57,157 --> 01:08:01,327
Thanks for the American Dream
to vulgarize and falsify.
768
01:08:01,328 --> 01:08:04,914
Like 1987, '88, around then,
769
01:08:04,915 --> 01:08:10,253
I was asked to do these
records with William Burroughs,
770
01:08:10,254 --> 01:08:16,432
and that was so connected to
the world of Hunter and Ralph.
771
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:19,846
And, of course, Ralph
adored this when he heard it.
772
01:08:19,847 --> 01:08:22,850
He liked the beginning
and the montage.
773
01:08:23,601 --> 01:08:27,321
You know, it was all
these worlds meeting.
774
01:08:28,105 --> 01:08:31,575
Thanks for "Kill a Queer
for Christ" stickers.
775
01:08:32,526 --> 01:08:36,030
Thanks for laboratory AIDS.
776
01:08:38,157 --> 01:08:42,912
Thanks for prohibition
and the war against drugs.
777
01:08:44,830 --> 01:08:50,837
Thanks for a country where nobody
is allowed to mind his own business.
778
01:08:51,670 --> 01:08:55,344
Thanks for a nation of finks.
779
01:08:55,883 --> 01:09:00,178
Yes, thanks for all the memories.
780
01:09:00,179 --> 01:09:03,598
All right, let's see your arms.
781
01:09:03,599 --> 01:09:06,267
You always were a headache
782
01:09:06,268 --> 01:09:09,442
and you always were a bore.
783
01:09:10,898 --> 01:09:14,067
Thanks for the last
and greatest betrayal
784
01:09:14,068 --> 01:09:18,823
of the last and
greatest of human dreams.
785
01:09:22,951 --> 01:09:27,914
'Cause that type of writing,
that type of drawing,
786
01:09:27,915 --> 01:09:29,832
is very admirable to me,
787
01:09:29,833 --> 01:09:33,503
'cause in an odd way it's what we're
thinking at the back of our heads
788
01:09:33,504 --> 01:09:36,130
but aren't capable
of getting it out.
789
01:09:36,131 --> 01:09:39,759
These guys have the
kind of minds that
790
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,595
that comes out of them.
791
01:09:42,596 --> 01:09:45,807
I mean, look at Ralph as a person.
792
01:09:45,808 --> 01:09:49,310
You never met a warmer, generous...
793
01:09:49,311 --> 01:09:52,610
He is not his paintings.
794
01:09:55,943 --> 01:09:57,151
I don't know.
795
01:09:57,152 --> 01:10:00,905
- Everything's here except the guns.
- Guns?
796
01:10:00,906 --> 01:10:03,241
Everything's here except the guns.
797
01:10:03,242 --> 01:10:05,961
- He can hardly walk.
- Yeah.
798
01:10:07,121 --> 01:10:09,623
They must be in the car.
799
01:10:12,501 --> 01:10:16,295
We found a spot where he does
his shooting. He likes to shoot.
800
01:10:16,296 --> 01:10:19,006
And that's where we
set up the target.
801
01:10:19,007 --> 01:10:20,717
Six.
802
01:10:20,718 --> 01:10:23,511
When it stays open,
it's empty, see?
803
01:10:23,512 --> 01:10:25,138
Yeah. Right.
804
01:10:25,139 --> 01:10:26,597
- Understand?
- Yes.
805
01:10:26,598 --> 01:10:29,100
- Okay.
- Just about.
806
01:10:41,363 --> 01:10:43,865
So he comes forward
807
01:10:43,866 --> 01:10:46,659
and he was quite trembly
by this time and...
808
01:10:46,660 --> 01:10:49,746
Two, three, four,
809
01:10:49,747 --> 01:10:52,841
five, six, seven.
810
01:10:56,044 --> 01:10:57,716
Here I go.
811
01:11:02,009 --> 01:11:04,511
And he goes...
812
01:11:08,599 --> 01:11:12,319
Empties six rounds,
you see, like that.
813
01:11:13,771 --> 01:11:16,022
There, you cut his head off.
814
01:11:16,023 --> 01:11:20,109
I said, "Well, William,
you've missed," you know.
815
01:11:20,110 --> 01:11:24,410
They all went through his
neck, you see. So he said...
816
01:11:27,451 --> 01:11:29,953
He's dead, man.
817
01:11:33,791 --> 01:11:35,291
One of the privileges
818
01:11:35,292 --> 01:11:39,879
working with Hunter and
William Burroughs was
819
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,632
they were perverse in many ways
820
01:11:42,633 --> 01:11:46,262
and yet incredibly honest.
821
01:11:47,179 --> 01:11:49,764
I think what attracted me to them
822
01:11:49,765 --> 01:11:53,100
was the fact that they
were honest writers,
823
01:11:53,101 --> 01:11:55,186
writing about real things
824
01:11:55,187 --> 01:11:57,522
that they actually experienced.
825
01:11:57,523 --> 01:12:03,820
So in some ways one would say
they were journalist-writers.
826
01:12:03,821 --> 01:12:07,450
- They wrote about what happened to them.
- Yeah.
827
01:12:09,034 --> 01:12:11,452
Isn't it awful? It's awful.
828
01:12:11,453 --> 01:12:15,748
And look how I look, as though
I'm, you know, in control.
829
01:12:15,749 --> 01:12:17,583
- Exactly.
- And I'm not.
830
01:12:17,584 --> 01:12:20,211
How many copies of this got out?
831
01:12:20,212 --> 01:12:22,714
About four million.
832
01:12:24,299 --> 01:12:26,509
No, no, no, no, no.
833
01:12:26,510 --> 01:12:29,846
Christ, he always puts me
down in this terrible way.
834
01:12:29,847 --> 01:12:32,691
I'm shutting this off for a
minute 'cause I'm pissed off.
835
01:12:34,393 --> 01:12:39,480
So, Ralph, was that the last
time you saw Hunter, at Owl Farm?
836
01:12:39,481 --> 01:12:44,277
Yes, that was the last time.
That was... That was October...
837
01:12:44,278 --> 01:12:48,703
September, October, 2004.
838
01:12:58,166 --> 01:13:00,418
I had one blowup today
in my pants, and this is
839
01:13:00,419 --> 01:13:01,627
- another blowup!
- Stop it. Stop it.
840
01:13:01,628 --> 01:13:03,380
- So you keep doing it...
- Stop it!
841
01:13:03,714 --> 01:13:05,756
- Don't do that.
- Please don't shout about it.
842
01:13:05,757 --> 01:13:07,800
I don't come into your house and
copy all your fucking drawings
843
01:13:07,801 --> 01:13:09,635
and then take them out
and run away with me, do I?
844
01:13:09,636 --> 01:13:10,970
I'm not doing that.
845
01:13:10,971 --> 01:13:15,308
Go on! Fucking well do
something, for Christ's sake!
846
01:13:15,309 --> 01:13:18,938
You miserable son of a bitch.
What the hell are you trying to do?
847
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:26,110
Sitting here in this goddamn place!
848
01:13:26,111 --> 01:13:28,579
I think Ralph loved Hunter
849
01:13:28,906 --> 01:13:33,409
and was hoping that Hunter would
be something he couldn't be,
850
01:13:33,410 --> 01:13:36,579
a little more responsible
and a little more careful
851
01:13:36,580 --> 01:13:38,457
and a little more generous.
852
01:13:44,254 --> 01:13:47,840
Day one. The English
artist Ralph Steadman
853
01:13:47,841 --> 01:13:50,676
sets off with a BBC film
crew for Aspen, Colorado,
854
01:13:50,677 --> 01:13:52,011
to meet an old friend.
855
01:13:52,012 --> 01:13:54,472
The intermingling of the
commentary was so great.
856
01:13:54,473 --> 01:13:56,515
It was like, you
know, jealous brothers,
857
01:13:56,516 --> 01:13:59,644
or partners like Keith and
Mick or something like that,
858
01:13:59,645 --> 01:14:03,524
that just, you know,
was gonna blow apart.
859
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,654
What I had presented myself as
860
01:14:09,655 --> 01:14:12,073
was a ready answer
to all your problems.
861
01:14:12,074 --> 01:14:15,451
And I took it quite readily, and
that's why you illustrated the book.
862
01:14:15,452 --> 01:14:19,163
It wasn't the only reason,
Hunter. It wasn't the only reason.
863
01:14:19,164 --> 01:14:23,084
No one would have noticed it had
it not been for my illustrations.
864
01:14:23,085 --> 01:14:24,627
No one.
865
01:14:24,628 --> 01:14:26,462
What you're saying, Ralph, is that
866
01:14:26,463 --> 01:14:30,383
Fear and Loathing in Las
Vegas would not have been a...
867
01:14:30,384 --> 01:14:31,759
The success it was.
868
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,345
a success if it hadn't
been illustrated by you?
869
01:14:34,346 --> 01:14:37,139
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
870
01:14:37,140 --> 01:14:39,350
Yeah, that's the story, in fact.
871
01:14:39,351 --> 01:14:42,937
The story that was never told
was the story of my resentment,
872
01:14:42,938 --> 01:14:46,732
- my burning desperate resentment.
- That explains a lot, doesn't it?
873
01:14:46,733 --> 01:14:48,325
Yeah.
874
01:14:50,904 --> 01:14:53,197
I think in Hunter's
heart, he loved Ralph.
875
01:14:53,198 --> 01:14:55,666
Ralph was a brother to Hunter.
876
01:14:55,826 --> 01:14:58,703
And they were two
wonderful characters
877
01:14:58,704 --> 01:15:01,622
and they had a great
collaboration and friendship.
878
01:15:01,623 --> 01:15:05,292
But sometimes those
things tend to break apart,
879
01:15:05,293 --> 01:15:07,753
especially when you've
got irascible personalities
880
01:15:07,754 --> 01:15:11,048
and particularly when
you have, you know,
881
01:15:11,049 --> 01:15:15,599
Hunter's, you know, problem
with drink and drugs.
882
01:15:17,389 --> 01:15:20,984
- You don't care?
- I do care, actually.
883
01:15:21,309 --> 01:15:27,398
You know that, Hunter, but it's been a
fucking hard ride for all sorts of reasons.
884
01:15:27,399 --> 01:15:30,652
- Who do you wanna beat on?
- For fuck's sake.
885
01:15:31,987 --> 01:15:36,407
Hang on. I'm gonna stop this thing now,
'cause I can't talk to you like this.
886
01:15:36,408 --> 01:15:38,576
- Yeah, you get out of here.
- What?
887
01:15:38,577 --> 01:15:41,751
- I'm starting to feel queer.
- Christ.
888
01:15:48,128 --> 01:15:50,796
He just realized this
was the death of fun.
889
01:15:50,797 --> 01:15:53,299
There was no more fun.
890
01:15:57,262 --> 01:15:59,764
And the idea of going
into an old people's home,
891
01:15:59,765 --> 01:16:02,391
Hunter S. Thompson in
an old people's home,
892
01:16:02,392 --> 01:16:04,314
can you imagine?
893
01:16:08,899 --> 01:16:11,567
And he said, "I can't
bear the idea, Ralph.
894
01:16:11,568 --> 01:16:14,820
"I've got this awful
image in my mind of
895
01:16:14,821 --> 01:16:18,616
"me sitting there strapped
into the wheelchair."
896
01:16:18,617 --> 01:16:20,659
They'd have to strap him
in. Couldn't keep him in it.
897
01:16:20,660 --> 01:16:22,912
They'd strap him in the wheelchair.
898
01:16:22,913 --> 01:16:24,663
And he couldn't move.
899
01:16:24,664 --> 01:16:26,582
And he could see out of
the corner of his eye,
900
01:16:26,583 --> 01:16:28,751
there was an old crone
901
01:16:28,752 --> 01:16:32,171
and she was crawling across
the floor towards him,
902
01:16:32,172 --> 01:16:34,340
and he knew, instinctively,
903
01:16:34,341 --> 01:16:37,560
she was going to fondle his balls.
904
01:16:43,517 --> 01:16:46,352
His wife, Anita, went
off to the health club
905
01:16:46,353 --> 01:16:48,562
and she rang and said, "Hi, honey."
906
01:16:48,563 --> 01:16:52,608
And then there was a
certain faraway sound,
907
01:16:52,609 --> 01:16:56,070
as though she wasn't
necessarily up to the phone,
908
01:16:56,071 --> 01:16:59,281
when he put the gun in his
mouth and pulled the trigger.
909
01:16:59,282 --> 01:17:00,366
And that was it.
910
01:17:00,367 --> 01:17:03,702
Now, his son thought
he heard a book drop.
911
01:17:03,703 --> 01:17:06,297
'Cause it goes like that.
912
01:17:09,459 --> 01:17:13,129
- Quite ironic, really, when you think.
- Yeah.
913
01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:16,090
Yeah, well, it was kind
of that. He sort of...
914
01:17:16,091 --> 01:17:19,093
The way I... Same thing, the
way I came to terms with it
915
01:17:19,094 --> 01:17:24,723
was that this was a man who dictated
the way he was gonna live his life.
916
01:17:24,724 --> 01:17:27,560
He was most certainly gonna
dictate the way he left.
917
01:17:27,561 --> 01:17:28,978
- Yeah.
- And he did, you know.
918
01:17:28,979 --> 01:17:31,607
- He did exactly that, yeah.
- So...
919
01:17:32,399 --> 01:17:34,993
- It's sad, really.
- Very.
920
01:17:42,826 --> 01:17:44,994
I did love Hunter
921
01:17:44,995 --> 01:17:49,625
and I miss him quite a lot.
922
01:17:51,585 --> 01:17:54,420
Rather a lot, actually.
923
01:17:54,421 --> 01:18:00,593
Because he took away, when
he did what he did to himself,
924
01:18:00,594 --> 01:18:02,970
he took with him
925
01:18:02,971 --> 01:18:08,523
the raison d'etre for the
kind of work we did together.
926
01:18:09,227 --> 01:18:11,103
It wasn't gonna happen again.
927
01:18:11,104 --> 01:18:15,107
It was the finality of it
928
01:18:15,108 --> 01:18:20,660
that perhaps is the most
shocking part for me.
929
01:18:21,448 --> 01:18:24,783
Because that's what
happens to everything.
930
01:18:24,784 --> 01:18:28,208
It disappears eventually.
931
01:18:39,007 --> 01:18:42,718
A lot of people want
a piece of Ralph's art,
932
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:45,512
and Ralph holds onto
most of his originals,
933
01:18:45,513 --> 01:18:48,732
because he just does
not want to let them go.
934
01:18:49,351 --> 01:18:54,482
And this way somebody can get a
piece of Ralph's original artwork.
935
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,778
Yeah, they are original.
Each one is an original.
936
01:19:00,779 --> 01:19:04,198
And each one's an original
because I sign each one separately
937
01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:08,452
and number it out of an edition.
938
01:19:08,453 --> 01:19:09,912
So that becomes the edition,
939
01:19:09,913 --> 01:19:15,385
and the edition can be
worth quite a lot of money.
940
01:19:37,649 --> 01:19:41,819
I'm a printmaker and we sell prints
941
01:19:41,820 --> 01:19:45,324
to, you know, Ralph's
collectors all over the world.
942
01:20:04,843 --> 01:20:07,428
It gives me a feeling of hope that,
943
01:20:07,429 --> 01:20:10,222
you know, I can keep the original
944
01:20:10,223 --> 01:20:13,522
and I can still make money.
945
01:20:19,274 --> 01:20:23,986
But I don't think that
it's good for me, in a way.
946
01:20:23,987 --> 01:20:27,823
Because it represses my spirit,
947
01:20:27,824 --> 01:20:31,952
my natural spirit, to
just do another drawing.
948
01:20:31,953 --> 01:20:35,706
And I think there's
something about that
949
01:20:35,707 --> 01:20:39,543
which perhaps I don't like,
950
01:20:39,544 --> 01:20:45,215
the idea that I'm not
only gonna sign this once
951
01:20:45,216 --> 01:20:47,009
and then maybe twice,
952
01:20:47,010 --> 01:20:49,803
or do the same drawing twice,
953
01:20:49,804 --> 01:20:54,150
I'm gonna sign 800 of them.
954
01:21:03,526 --> 01:21:06,370
Gonzo will not die.
955
01:21:06,780 --> 01:21:10,532
Ralph continues to
keep Hunter alive
956
01:21:10,533 --> 01:21:13,327
and Hunter keeps Ralph alive.
957
01:21:13,328 --> 01:21:15,830
- You know, the two together.
- Yeah.
958
01:21:20,251 --> 01:21:22,753
There's the sunshine coming in.
959
01:21:23,338 --> 01:21:25,506
Right. It's coming through?
960
01:21:25,507 --> 01:21:27,429
Testing, testing.
961
01:21:27,467 --> 01:21:29,885
One, two, three, four.
962
01:21:29,886 --> 01:21:33,890
So, Ralph, how you doing?
963
01:21:34,349 --> 01:21:40,902
I don't know. I'm feeling a bit
down, I think, really, somehow. Yeah.
964
01:21:42,190 --> 01:21:45,401
Apprehensive, anxious.
965
01:21:45,402 --> 01:21:46,819
And I just don't know what...
966
01:21:46,820 --> 01:21:50,540
It's partly to do with
getting older, you know.
967
01:21:51,032 --> 01:21:55,628
You don't know how...
How long it goes on.
968
01:21:56,204 --> 01:21:59,998
And, I don't know, I woke
up in the middle of the night
969
01:21:59,999 --> 01:22:02,751
and needed to go to the loo
970
01:22:02,752 --> 01:22:06,552
and felt...
971
01:22:08,842 --> 01:22:13,813
I don't know, I think I
felt slightly meaningless.
972
01:22:15,223 --> 01:22:18,058
That's the problem, I find,
973
01:22:18,059 --> 01:22:21,979
that things are a little
bit on the meaningless side.
974
01:22:21,980 --> 01:22:25,774
And why was I ever bothered
975
01:22:25,775 --> 01:22:28,068
- to do anything about it?
- Sure.
976
01:22:28,069 --> 01:22:32,540
Why did I ever try
to change the world?
977
01:22:33,491 --> 01:22:35,993
But it was...
978
01:22:37,829 --> 01:22:42,675
it was something to do,
you know, change the world.
979
01:22:49,340 --> 01:22:52,551
I left Ralph's with
my mind reeling from
980
01:22:52,552 --> 01:22:56,638
the sheer volume of a
lifetime's ideas and images,
981
01:22:56,639 --> 01:23:02,737
uplifted and inspired by an
artist's efforts to change the world.
982
01:23:07,150 --> 01:23:08,734
Look, you know, you've come here
983
01:23:08,735 --> 01:23:11,904
asking me this and asking me
that, asking me everything else.
984
01:23:11,905 --> 01:23:14,823
And as I go through
things, I suddenly realize
985
01:23:14,824 --> 01:23:17,117
I've done too much in my life.
986
01:23:17,118 --> 01:23:19,995
Really, what was the
point of all that?
987
01:23:19,996 --> 01:23:21,955
There is no need to do any more
988
01:23:21,956 --> 01:23:24,124
and yet I probably
may do some more,
989
01:23:24,125 --> 01:23:26,793
and I don't really
think it's a good idea
990
01:23:26,794 --> 01:23:31,507
because you become a polluter,
you know, a visual polluter.
991
01:23:31,508 --> 01:23:34,010
How about that?
992
01:23:45,438 --> 01:23:49,317
And I still haven't
proved that I'm an artist.
993
01:23:49,901 --> 01:23:53,403
Somehow I'm a cartoonist
to some, and that's...
994
01:23:53,404 --> 01:23:55,906
The cartoonist.
995
01:25:12,942 --> 01:25:16,778
It's amazing to see an artist
as they jump into the unknown,
996
01:25:16,779 --> 01:25:19,281
commit to the impossible.
997
01:25:21,159 --> 01:25:23,910
Make no mistake, Ralph.
998
01:25:23,911 --> 01:25:26,371
You are an inspiration.
999
01:25:26,372 --> 01:25:28,874
For no good reason.
1000
01:25:41,346 --> 01:25:43,055
Is that all right?
1001
01:25:43,056 --> 01:25:45,433
Perfect, yes.
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