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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,981 --> 00:00:03,981 Dead? It wasn't Martin! Cos he was... 2 00:00:03,981 --> 00:00:06,981 I said shut up, noisy bitch... 3 00:00:06,981 --> 00:00:09,981 I don't want to get into trouble. I don't want you to either. 4 00:00:09,981 --> 00:00:11,821 So should I lie, then? 5 00:00:11,821 --> 00:00:14,981 There was an Afghan family who had a long-running dispute with him. 6 00:00:14,981 --> 00:00:16,981 Really boiled over. 7 00:00:16,981 --> 00:00:18,981 You should start with the guy that interpreted for them. 8 00:00:18,981 --> 00:00:20,981 DOOR OPENS Hiya. 9 00:00:20,981 --> 00:00:22,981 Oh. 10 00:00:22,981 --> 00:00:25,981 All I have done is walk into my house, 11 00:00:25,981 --> 00:00:27,981 and I've found an illegal immigrant. 12 00:00:27,981 --> 00:00:28,981 BANGS TABLE And how many times? 13 00:00:28,981 --> 00:00:31,341 It's not illegal for someone seeking asylum 14 00:00:31,341 --> 00:00:33,981 to cross the channel however they want to. 15 00:00:33,981 --> 00:00:36,981 I don't know what to say that will best allow you to forgive me. 16 00:00:36,981 --> 00:00:38,981 Just the truth, Debs. 17 00:00:38,981 --> 00:00:40,181 We did sleep together. 18 00:00:41,981 --> 00:00:43,981 Sorry. It's just, I... 19 00:00:43,981 --> 00:00:45,981 Night, dollface. 20 00:00:45,981 --> 00:00:46,981 Can I just ask you 21 00:00:46,981 --> 00:00:49,981 if you ever thought your husband might have been having an affair? 22 00:00:49,981 --> 00:00:51,981 What the hell sort of question's that? 23 00:00:51,981 --> 00:00:54,981 A few months before he disappeared, he'd seen him with another woman. 24 00:00:54,981 --> 00:00:56,981 He said he'd introduced her to him as "Melinda". 25 00:00:56,981 --> 00:00:59,981 Cos a row that got out of hand about infidelity, 26 00:00:59,981 --> 00:01:03,181 it's just about the oldest motive for murder there is. 27 00:01:03,181 --> 00:01:05,981 I don't know if they're listening to this, 28 00:01:05,981 --> 00:01:10,341 but don't say anything about Daddy. 29 00:01:10,341 --> 00:01:12,821 I would like to take my break now, please, 30 00:01:12,821 --> 00:01:14,181 so that I can get my story straight. 31 00:01:25,021 --> 00:01:27,981 ♪ All we do is hide away 32 00:01:28,981 --> 00:01:32,341 ♪ All we do is All we do is hide away 33 00:01:32,341 --> 00:01:34,981 ♪ All we do is lie and wait 34 00:01:36,981 --> 00:01:40,821 ♪ All we do is All we do is lie and wait 35 00:01:40,821 --> 00:01:43,981 ♪ I've been upside down 36 00:01:43,981 --> 00:01:47,981 ♪ I don't want to be The right way round 37 00:01:47,981 --> 00:01:50,981 ♪ Can't find paradise On the ground... ♪ 38 00:02:04,501 --> 00:02:05,981 I just find it rather hard 39 00:02:05,981 --> 00:02:08,981 to square Juliet Cooper's description of their relationship 40 00:02:08,981 --> 00:02:09,981 with what Prentice told me. Hm. 41 00:02:09,981 --> 00:02:11,981 Ditto the bar manager. Ditto her. 42 00:02:11,981 --> 00:02:13,181 Husbands and wives are allowed 43 00:02:13,181 --> 00:02:15,981 to have different political opinions. No way (!) 44 00:02:15,981 --> 00:02:17,981 But that diametrically opposed? 45 00:02:17,981 --> 00:02:20,981 Although we're assuming that Juliet's who she says she is. 46 00:02:20,981 --> 00:02:22,981 Yeah, I'm just asking if... 47 00:02:22,981 --> 00:02:26,981 maybe this was a toxic marriage, perhaps violent, perhaps coercive, 48 00:02:26,981 --> 00:02:28,981 that finally imploded? 49 00:02:28,981 --> 00:02:29,981 Where are we on his girlfriend? 50 00:02:29,981 --> 00:02:33,341 So, our Melinda, is Melinda Ricci. 51 00:02:33,341 --> 00:02:36,501 Peachy Ricci? Yeah. SOFTLY: "Peachy"? 52 00:02:36,501 --> 00:02:38,981 She had a column in the Mail a few years back. 53 00:02:38,981 --> 00:02:41,981 She's like a BTEC kind of Katie Hopkins, 54 00:02:41,981 --> 00:02:43,341 working for a cable channel now. 55 00:02:43,341 --> 00:02:45,981 You think that they met through this forum that Cooper set up? 56 00:02:45,981 --> 00:02:47,021 UK United, yes. 57 00:02:47,021 --> 00:02:49,981 Cooper is in the background of the viral video about the retweet. 58 00:02:49,981 --> 00:02:51,981 Do we have an address for her? 59 00:02:51,981 --> 00:02:54,981 Well, I spoke to an HR guy at BNC, her current employers. 60 00:02:54,981 --> 00:02:58,181 They're based in Docklands, but she dials in her contribution 61 00:02:58,181 --> 00:03:02,981 from her home about ten miles west of Cork, apparently. 62 00:03:02,981 --> 00:03:04,021 Hm. 63 00:03:04,021 --> 00:03:06,981 Er, OK. Contact regional Garda. 64 00:03:06,981 --> 00:03:10,821 See if they can get local plod down to set up a Zoom with her. 65 00:03:10,821 --> 00:03:13,981 And check if they have anything on her in their systems, too. Yeah. 66 00:03:13,981 --> 00:03:16,821 And as much background as you can find before we speak to her, please. 67 00:03:16,821 --> 00:03:17,981 Yeah, sure. 68 00:03:17,981 --> 00:03:19,981 That's mad. I know. 69 00:03:22,981 --> 00:03:24,981 So, you mentioned your dad earlier, Marty. 70 00:03:24,981 --> 00:03:26,981 Yes, I mentioned my dad earlier. 71 00:03:26,981 --> 00:03:28,981 I'm guessing he's always been a great support to you. Mm. 72 00:03:28,981 --> 00:03:31,981 He has, yes. So I'm wondering, 73 00:03:31,981 --> 00:03:34,981 did maybe your dad go and speak to Mr Cooper about the money? 74 00:03:36,981 --> 00:03:38,981 You OK, Marty? 75 00:03:38,981 --> 00:03:41,981 I-I'm fine, thank you for asking. 76 00:03:42,981 --> 00:03:45,981 Did he go and speak to Gerry for you? 77 00:03:45,981 --> 00:03:47,981 No, he never went to see Gerry. 78 00:03:47,981 --> 00:03:49,981 You seem a bit upset at these questions. 79 00:03:51,181 --> 00:03:52,341 Marty? 80 00:03:53,981 --> 00:03:56,981 Well, he couldn't go and see Gerry, could he? 81 00:03:56,981 --> 00:03:58,661 Why not? 82 00:03:58,661 --> 00:04:00,981 I think we should probably take a little break. 83 00:04:00,981 --> 00:04:02,981 Cos he was dead. 84 00:04:02,981 --> 00:04:04,981 Because Gerry made him be dead. 85 00:04:15,981 --> 00:04:16,981 Why am I even at that school, anyway? 86 00:04:16,981 --> 00:04:19,981 You're supposed to be a fucking socialist. 87 00:04:19,981 --> 00:04:22,981 Taylor, not this, not now - we'll miss your train. 88 00:04:22,981 --> 00:04:24,021 I loathe that school. 89 00:04:24,021 --> 00:04:26,981 I loathe everything it stands for, and you should too. 90 00:04:28,821 --> 00:04:29,981 Or is that all a lie as well? 91 00:04:34,981 --> 00:04:39,981 Gerry told me the vaccine was a plot to control us 92 00:04:39,981 --> 00:04:44,981 that contained micro-transmitters, and that we should not take it. 93 00:04:44,981 --> 00:04:47,981 When did he say this? Whenever I went to see him to get my money. 94 00:04:47,981 --> 00:04:51,981 Did he tell you not to take it? Yes, he told me not to take it. 95 00:04:51,981 --> 00:04:57,021 Did he suggest that your parents shouldn't take it, too? 96 00:04:57,021 --> 00:04:58,981 No, he didn't do that. 97 00:05:01,661 --> 00:05:02,821 I did that. 98 00:05:06,981 --> 00:05:10,981 But maybe you told your mum and dad not to take it 99 00:05:10,981 --> 00:05:14,021 because of what he said to you? Yes. 100 00:05:15,981 --> 00:05:16,981 Did they listen to you? 101 00:05:18,981 --> 00:05:22,981 My mum and dad were offered the vaccine at the end of January, 102 00:05:22,981 --> 00:05:26,341 and they, they refused it. 103 00:05:28,821 --> 00:05:32,981 On the second of February, Dad got COVID 104 00:05:32,981 --> 00:05:37,821 and was admitted to Dover Royal Hospital week... a week later 105 00:05:37,821 --> 00:05:40,981 with severe respiratory difficulties. 106 00:05:42,341 --> 00:05:44,981 On the 19th of February, 107 00:05:44,981 --> 00:05:46,501 Dad died. 108 00:05:48,981 --> 00:05:50,981 All on his Jack Jones. 109 00:05:51,981 --> 00:05:53,981 Thomas Henry Baines was 76. 110 00:05:53,981 --> 00:05:56,021 I'm so sorry for your loss. 111 00:05:56,021 --> 00:05:57,981 We both are, Marty. 112 00:05:57,981 --> 00:05:59,981 He had a good innings, as they say. 113 00:06:01,981 --> 00:06:04,981 So... on top of the money... 114 00:06:06,981 --> 00:06:09,981 ...you now had the awful tragedy of your dad dying. 115 00:06:11,181 --> 00:06:12,981 Yes, this is correct. 116 00:06:12,981 --> 00:06:14,981 How did you feel about Gerry at this point? 117 00:06:15,981 --> 00:06:17,981 No good crying over spilt milk. 118 00:06:20,981 --> 00:06:21,981 Were you not angry with him? 119 00:06:24,981 --> 00:06:26,501 Because I'm wondering... 120 00:06:28,341 --> 00:06:33,341 I'm wondering if maybe you arranged to meet him somewhere on the 24th? 121 00:06:33,341 --> 00:06:34,501 No. 122 00:06:35,981 --> 00:06:39,821 Not to tell him about your dad? Not because you were angry? 123 00:06:39,821 --> 00:06:42,981 No. Maybe... Maybe you rowed? 124 00:06:43,981 --> 00:06:46,981 You know, er, maybe he'd pushed you again, 125 00:06:46,981 --> 00:06:48,981 and it all got out of control? 126 00:06:48,981 --> 00:06:53,981 SOFTLY: No. No, no, no, no, no... 127 00:06:53,981 --> 00:06:55,981 I think he's answered your questions, 128 00:06:55,981 --> 00:06:58,981 so unless you've got any evidence you haven't mentioned, 129 00:06:58,981 --> 00:07:00,981 I think we bring this to a close. 130 00:07:08,021 --> 00:07:11,981 Let's RUI him for now and do some more background on that arrest. 131 00:07:12,981 --> 00:07:13,981 We'd better head. 132 00:07:19,981 --> 00:07:21,181 MEL SIGHS 133 00:07:54,981 --> 00:07:58,501 Hey, Mel. Hey, Joseph. How you doing? 134 00:07:58,501 --> 00:08:00,981 Good, thanks. You? Er, yeah, I'm fine. 135 00:08:00,981 --> 00:08:02,021 How's your man doing? 136 00:08:02,021 --> 00:08:04,981 Slow but steady. 137 00:08:04,981 --> 00:08:07,021 Father Ryan being very supportive, I hear. 138 00:08:08,981 --> 00:08:10,981 How can I help you, Joseph? 139 00:08:10,981 --> 00:08:14,501 Had a call from a police officer in London wanting to speak to you 140 00:08:14,501 --> 00:08:17,981 about being a possible witness in a murder investigation. 141 00:08:17,981 --> 00:08:20,981 Wow. Murder of whom? 142 00:08:20,981 --> 00:08:22,341 A man called Gerard Cooper. 143 00:08:26,341 --> 00:08:27,981 Yeah, I-I knew Gerry. 144 00:08:28,981 --> 00:08:30,981 He-He went missing a few years back. 145 00:08:30,981 --> 00:08:33,501 Just before you came over here, they said. Right. 146 00:08:33,501 --> 00:08:35,981 They asked if you could make yourself available for a Zoom, 147 00:08:35,981 --> 00:08:36,981 tomorrow at four. 148 00:08:36,981 --> 00:08:40,341 Yeah. Yeah, I-I-I think I could do that. 149 00:08:40,341 --> 00:08:43,981 So just drop by the station, we'll take care of everything our end, 150 00:08:43,981 --> 00:08:45,501 and I'll sit in with you. 151 00:08:47,981 --> 00:08:50,341 I mean, do... do I need a lawyer? 152 00:08:50,341 --> 00:08:52,981 Entirely up to you. See you tomorrow. 153 00:08:59,981 --> 00:09:00,981 PHONE CHIMES 154 00:09:00,981 --> 00:09:03,981 Oh, Murray's just forwarded me an email from the lettings agency. 155 00:09:03,981 --> 00:09:06,981 So, the lettings agent thinks police were called 156 00:09:06,981 --> 00:09:08,981 to the dispute she told him about. 157 00:09:08,981 --> 00:09:11,981 OK. So this guy Asif would remember that too, no? 158 00:09:22,981 --> 00:09:25,981 Look, these are absolutely top quality. 159 00:09:26,981 --> 00:09:30,981 From the same factory that makes the genuine article. 160 00:09:30,981 --> 00:09:33,181 And, er, the passport... 161 00:09:33,181 --> 00:09:34,981 CAR SLOWS OUTSIDE ...how much? 162 00:09:34,981 --> 00:09:38,981 Well, the passport, driver's licence and the national insurance card 163 00:09:38,981 --> 00:09:39,981 I can do you for 7K. 164 00:09:39,981 --> 00:09:41,981 We do also offer finance options, 165 00:09:41,981 --> 00:09:43,981 if that was something you were interested in. 166 00:09:43,981 --> 00:09:46,981 A lot of people go for a five-year repayment schedule, 167 00:09:46,981 --> 00:09:47,981 which makes it very affordable. 168 00:09:47,981 --> 00:09:50,981 We're also happy to accept late-term payments if that worked better... 169 00:09:50,981 --> 00:09:52,981 VOICE DRIFTS OFF 170 00:09:54,981 --> 00:09:56,981 Out the back now. Now! 171 00:09:56,981 --> 00:09:58,981 Now! 172 00:09:58,981 --> 00:10:00,981 SPEAK OWN LANGUAGE 173 00:10:16,981 --> 00:10:19,981 Hi. Hi. Asif Syed? 174 00:10:19,981 --> 00:10:23,981 Yes. DCI Jess James, and this is DI Sunil Khan. 175 00:10:23,981 --> 00:10:25,981 Have you got five minutes for a quick chat? 176 00:10:25,981 --> 00:10:29,661 Er, yes, maybe. About what, please? 177 00:10:29,661 --> 00:10:31,981 It's in connection with a murder investigation. 178 00:10:31,981 --> 00:10:34,981 We think you might have known the victim. 179 00:10:34,981 --> 00:10:35,981 Who was the victim? 180 00:10:35,981 --> 00:10:38,981 Could we come in? Yes. Yes, please, of course. 181 00:10:43,981 --> 00:10:45,661 'It's the fucking Matrix, buddy. 182 00:10:45,661 --> 00:10:47,981 'They're trying to shut your voice down cos you're a strong man. 183 00:10:47,981 --> 00:10:50,981 'So what do you need to do?' I need to be one step ahead, man. 184 00:10:50,981 --> 00:10:54,981 'Be ahead or be dead, dude. Be ahead or be dead.' 185 00:10:54,981 --> 00:10:59,981 UNDER BREATH: Ahead or be dead. Ahead or be dead. Ahead or be dead. 186 00:10:59,981 --> 00:11:03,981 UNDER BREATH: Ahead or be dead. Ahead or be dead. 187 00:11:06,981 --> 00:11:08,181 Ahead or be dead. 188 00:11:30,981 --> 00:11:33,341 This is him. Name of Gerard Cooper. 189 00:11:39,981 --> 00:11:41,981 Yes, I... I think I remember him. 190 00:11:41,981 --> 00:11:44,981 And what do you think your connection to him was? 191 00:11:45,981 --> 00:11:47,981 I work as an interpreter. 192 00:11:47,981 --> 00:11:48,981 And back then, 193 00:11:48,981 --> 00:11:53,341 I worked with tenants whose rent was being paid by the council. 194 00:11:53,341 --> 00:11:55,981 Er... I think he was one of the landlords. 195 00:11:57,981 --> 00:12:01,021 Erm... what council was that? Thamesford. 196 00:12:01,021 --> 00:12:03,981 OK. And can you remember specifically 197 00:12:03,981 --> 00:12:06,661 when you might have encountered Mr Cooper? 198 00:12:08,021 --> 00:12:10,981 I would have to check. OK. Roughly, then? 199 00:12:10,981 --> 00:12:14,981 I think maybe it was early on in the pandemic. 200 00:12:14,981 --> 00:12:15,981 Maybe the first year. 201 00:12:15,981 --> 00:12:19,981 I have a vague recollection of some COVID-related issues. 202 00:12:19,981 --> 00:12:23,981 OK, so it was 2020. Yes. 203 00:12:23,981 --> 00:12:27,021 Do you have any recollection of what he was like? 204 00:12:28,981 --> 00:12:32,981 Er, I mean... I must've met dozens of landlords 205 00:12:32,981 --> 00:12:34,821 in the three or four years I was in London. 206 00:12:34,821 --> 00:12:39,821 Because the agency that managed his portfolio said he was quite tricky. 207 00:12:40,661 --> 00:12:42,821 Did they? You don't remember that? 208 00:12:43,981 --> 00:12:44,981 I remember, erm... 209 00:12:46,341 --> 00:12:48,981 ...he wasn't very good at maintaining his properties. 210 00:12:48,981 --> 00:12:50,021 The agency said that. 211 00:12:51,021 --> 00:12:53,821 Anything else? Erm... 212 00:12:54,981 --> 00:12:57,981 He could be... quite aggressive. With you? 213 00:12:57,981 --> 00:13:03,821 With the tenants, who obviously were often very vulnerable people. 214 00:13:03,821 --> 00:13:05,981 And physically aggressive? No. I never saw that. 215 00:13:05,981 --> 00:13:09,981 Because we have an agent who gave us details of several cases 216 00:13:09,981 --> 00:13:12,981 where disputes had blown up. 217 00:13:12,981 --> 00:13:14,341 One in particular, 218 00:13:14,341 --> 00:13:18,021 which was a family of asylum seekers from Herat, 219 00:13:18,021 --> 00:13:19,981 where it had turned violent. 220 00:13:19,981 --> 00:13:22,501 Which family? The Dowari family. 221 00:13:23,341 --> 00:13:25,181 UNDER BREATH: Dowari... 222 00:13:25,181 --> 00:13:28,981 As I say, I must've dealt with many dozens of cases. 223 00:13:30,981 --> 00:13:32,661 Most of them were fractious. 224 00:13:32,661 --> 00:13:34,981 Except the police were called to this one. 225 00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:37,981 It was a dispute about a chronic damp problem. 226 00:13:37,981 --> 00:13:40,981 The family had a toddler, a newborn. 227 00:13:40,981 --> 00:13:42,981 It was making them all sick. 228 00:13:42,981 --> 00:13:46,021 The police getting involved wasn't that rare, sadly. OK. 229 00:13:46,981 --> 00:13:51,981 Quite a distinctive case, but you've no memory of that at all? 230 00:13:51,981 --> 00:13:56,661 They all just merge into one. Sorry. No worries. 231 00:13:56,661 --> 00:14:00,501 And when was the last time you think you might've seen Mr Cooper? 232 00:14:01,981 --> 00:14:06,981 My contract with the council ended in September 2020, 233 00:14:06,981 --> 00:14:08,501 so not after that. 234 00:14:08,501 --> 00:14:10,501 Right. And, erm... 235 00:14:10,501 --> 00:14:13,981 Do you mind me asking what your nationality is, Asif? 236 00:14:14,981 --> 00:14:16,981 I hope to very soon be British. 237 00:14:16,981 --> 00:14:18,981 Oh. Well, good for you. 238 00:14:18,981 --> 00:14:20,981 And welcome. This can be a fabulous country. 239 00:14:20,981 --> 00:14:23,981 Yes, it can. And thank you. 240 00:14:23,981 --> 00:14:25,981 And before that, where are you from? Afghanistan. 241 00:14:25,981 --> 00:14:29,981 OK. Well, that must have been tough, 242 00:14:29,981 --> 00:14:32,181 to see your fellow countrymen and countrywomen, 243 00:14:32,181 --> 00:14:35,981 vulnerable people, being mistreated often by this man. 244 00:14:36,981 --> 00:14:37,981 Of course. 245 00:14:39,981 --> 00:14:41,981 Did it make you angry, or...? 246 00:14:48,341 --> 00:14:51,981 If I got angry every time I saw a refugee being treated badly... 247 00:14:52,981 --> 00:14:57,021 ...I'd be living in a permanent state of rage, DI Khan. 248 00:15:00,981 --> 00:15:02,021 Thanks for your time. 249 00:15:08,981 --> 00:15:11,981 I think we need more detail on this Dowari case. Mm-hm. 250 00:15:16,981 --> 00:15:19,981 Sam... Who was that? 251 00:15:19,981 --> 00:15:21,981 Social services. They wanted some gen on a client. 252 00:15:25,981 --> 00:15:29,981 Can... Can we talk, please? Sure. 253 00:15:34,981 --> 00:15:39,981 Yeah, so, if Hassan moves out after he comes home from work today, 254 00:15:39,981 --> 00:15:44,981 and if you can minimise any future contact with him, then... 255 00:15:46,981 --> 00:15:48,981 ...yeah, I'm happy to just move on. 256 00:15:51,981 --> 00:15:54,981 And if I don't agree to that? 257 00:15:56,981 --> 00:16:00,981 OK, why... why do you immediately have to turn this into a conflict? 258 00:16:00,981 --> 00:16:03,661 Says the man who's just given me an ultimatum. No. 259 00:16:03,661 --> 00:16:04,981 It's not an ultimatum. No. 260 00:16:04,981 --> 00:16:07,981 You're not going to hold a gun to my head 261 00:16:07,981 --> 00:16:09,981 because I did right by a man who saved your life 262 00:16:09,981 --> 00:16:11,981 on at least two occasions. OK. Asif... 263 00:16:11,981 --> 00:16:14,981 And you know what really winds me up? 264 00:16:17,981 --> 00:16:19,981 It's that you think you can do this. 265 00:16:20,981 --> 00:16:21,981 Do what? 266 00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:24,981 Just tell me how it's going to be. 267 00:16:24,981 --> 00:16:27,981 You don't even consider the idea of finding another way through. 268 00:16:27,981 --> 00:16:30,981 No. Is that not exactly what we're trying to do right now? 269 00:16:30,981 --> 00:16:33,981 What, telling me what's going to happen? 270 00:16:35,981 --> 00:16:36,981 Not really, Sam. 271 00:16:40,341 --> 00:16:41,981 I'll play by the same rules. 272 00:16:44,981 --> 00:16:45,981 No. 273 00:16:47,981 --> 00:16:49,181 Hassan's not going anywhere. 274 00:16:53,981 --> 00:16:56,981 But... this is my house. 275 00:16:58,981 --> 00:17:00,981 Then call the police. 276 00:17:12,981 --> 00:17:15,821 I mean, I never really believed him. 277 00:17:17,981 --> 00:17:19,981 But there was always just enough ambiguity 278 00:17:19,981 --> 00:17:21,981 to make me think we could get through it. 279 00:17:23,981 --> 00:17:25,021 Except now... 280 00:17:27,981 --> 00:17:29,981 ...if he could have done that... 281 00:17:31,981 --> 00:17:32,981 ...he could do anything. 282 00:17:37,981 --> 00:17:40,981 So? So... 283 00:17:45,981 --> 00:17:47,661 What do I do? 284 00:17:50,981 --> 00:17:53,981 So, digging into the Marty Baines' caution 285 00:17:53,981 --> 00:17:55,981 and it gets interesting. 286 00:17:56,981 --> 00:18:01,021 In 2016, he studied a foundation course in computer programming 287 00:18:01,021 --> 00:18:04,981 at the University of Ramsgate, but eight months in, 288 00:18:04,981 --> 00:18:07,981 he's asked to leave after he starts to regularly pick the locks 289 00:18:07,981 --> 00:18:11,981 of the rooms of his fellow students in his halls and enter their rooms. 290 00:18:11,981 --> 00:18:13,981 Right. Now, he's not trying to steal anything. 291 00:18:13,981 --> 00:18:15,981 They're just coming back from the pub at night 292 00:18:15,981 --> 00:18:18,981 to find Marty sitting on their beds in their rooms. 293 00:18:18,981 --> 00:18:19,981 Jesus. Mm. 294 00:18:19,981 --> 00:18:21,341 Male or female? Both. 295 00:18:21,341 --> 00:18:23,981 Not at all scary. 296 00:18:23,981 --> 00:18:25,981 SUNIL SIGHS And how many times did this happen? 297 00:18:25,981 --> 00:18:28,341 Well, the university weren't really sure. 298 00:18:28,341 --> 00:18:30,981 Some students thought that maybe they had forgotten 299 00:18:30,981 --> 00:18:31,981 to lock their rooms 300 00:18:31,981 --> 00:18:34,981 and so treated it more like Marty wandering in uninvited 301 00:18:34,981 --> 00:18:36,821 and so didn't report it. 302 00:18:36,821 --> 00:18:39,821 But there are three formal cases. 303 00:18:39,821 --> 00:18:40,981 Was there ever any violence? 304 00:18:40,981 --> 00:18:43,981 Not from him, and not from any of the other students, 305 00:18:43,981 --> 00:18:45,981 until the last incident. 306 00:18:45,981 --> 00:18:47,981 Which was? 307 00:18:47,981 --> 00:18:50,981 So, one bloke comes back from the pub, pissed up, 308 00:18:50,981 --> 00:18:54,341 to find Marty in his room and kind of loses it. 309 00:18:54,341 --> 00:18:55,981 Calls him all kinds of stuff, 310 00:18:55,981 --> 00:18:57,981 which ends up with Marty trying to strangle him. 311 00:18:57,981 --> 00:19:00,501 Whoa. What, like, properly strangle? 312 00:19:00,501 --> 00:19:02,981 Yeah. He has to be pulled away by the guy's mates. 313 00:19:02,981 --> 00:19:05,981 Takes three of them, apparently. Wow. 314 00:19:05,981 --> 00:19:06,981 How come he only got a caution? 315 00:19:06,981 --> 00:19:08,981 So, the student didn't wanna pursue anything. 316 00:19:08,981 --> 00:19:10,981 He admitted to the investigating officer 317 00:19:10,981 --> 00:19:13,981 that he'd used "inappropriate language about disability" 318 00:19:13,981 --> 00:19:15,981 and was scared it was gonna be brought up in court. 319 00:19:15,981 --> 00:19:19,981 Mm. And do we know why Marty was doing this? 320 00:19:19,981 --> 00:19:23,661 He said he was just looking for a friend to talk to. 321 00:19:24,981 --> 00:19:26,981 In terms of any potential link to violence, 322 00:19:26,981 --> 00:19:30,981 I've just received the evidence list for the assault on Cooper 323 00:19:30,981 --> 00:19:33,981 in his pub car park. Oh, yeah? What we got? 324 00:19:33,981 --> 00:19:36,981 Well, we've got Cooper's sweatshirt, and they've taken DNA off it, 325 00:19:36,981 --> 00:19:38,981 so we've material for comparison. Nice one, thanks. 326 00:19:38,981 --> 00:19:41,981 So, Melinda Ricci. Tell me stuff. 327 00:19:41,981 --> 00:19:46,981 CLEARS THROAT OK, so, born in 1978 328 00:19:46,981 --> 00:19:48,661 in a small market town in Surrey. 329 00:19:48,661 --> 00:19:51,981 Went to a local Catholic girls' school, got decent As. 330 00:19:51,981 --> 00:19:53,981 Went to Rochester uni to study marketing, 331 00:19:53,981 --> 00:19:55,981 then enlisted in the Navy. 332 00:19:55,981 --> 00:20:00,501 Served four years and left in 2005 following a disciplinary issue 333 00:20:00,501 --> 00:20:01,981 involving a fellow officer. 334 00:20:01,981 --> 00:20:02,981 A fellow Muslim officer. 335 00:20:03,981 --> 00:20:05,981 She then started her own green beauty business 336 00:20:05,981 --> 00:20:08,821 which gained the attention of some red-tops 337 00:20:08,821 --> 00:20:11,981 following an advertising campaign she herself featured in. 338 00:20:11,981 --> 00:20:15,981 After the 2008 crash, the business went bankrupt, 339 00:20:15,981 --> 00:20:17,981 and she lost her home and had to rent. 340 00:20:17,981 --> 00:20:20,981 And it was a bad experience with an Asian landlord, 341 00:20:20,981 --> 00:20:25,981 prompting this online rant which gained half-a-million views, 342 00:20:25,981 --> 00:20:29,981 erm, got her an invitation to write an article for the Mail 343 00:20:29,981 --> 00:20:31,981 which went down so well, it led to a weekly column. 344 00:20:31,981 --> 00:20:34,021 SUNNY: What sort of column? Opinions. 345 00:20:34,021 --> 00:20:36,981 Of which, you know, she has a lot. On? 346 00:20:36,981 --> 00:20:38,981 Er, recurring themes include 347 00:20:38,981 --> 00:20:42,981 immigration, benefit cheats, the EU, 348 00:20:42,981 --> 00:20:47,981 erm... anti-abortion stuff, arming the police, 349 00:20:47,981 --> 00:20:50,981 all as self-styled "Sister Mel". 350 00:20:50,981 --> 00:20:54,981 Ah. She's not a real nun, right? 351 00:20:54,981 --> 00:20:57,981 She spent six months in a convent in Wicklow in 2009, actually. 352 00:20:57,981 --> 00:21:00,661 Ah. And the column ran from when to when? 353 00:21:00,661 --> 00:21:01,981 2015 to 2020, 354 00:21:01,981 --> 00:21:04,981 but she also wrote for pretty much every red-top 355 00:21:04,981 --> 00:21:07,981 and also started popping up on breakfast TV guest spots. 356 00:21:07,981 --> 00:21:11,981 And when was that Boris Johnson retweet, post thing? 357 00:21:11,981 --> 00:21:13,981 October 2016. 358 00:21:13,981 --> 00:21:14,981 SUNNY: Do we know why she moved to Ireland? 359 00:21:14,981 --> 00:21:17,981 No, just that she went there in 2021. 360 00:21:17,981 --> 00:21:21,981 OK, thanks, Fran. Right, shall we? Mm. 361 00:21:24,021 --> 00:21:26,981 DISTANT SIREN WAILING 362 00:21:26,981 --> 00:21:28,981 Jesus. 363 00:21:30,981 --> 00:21:32,181 EXHALES HEAVILY 364 00:21:38,981 --> 00:21:40,981 What are you doing? Eating a sandwich. 365 00:21:40,981 --> 00:21:43,981 What are you doing here? I didn't wanna go back. 366 00:21:45,341 --> 00:21:46,501 You have to go back. 367 00:21:46,501 --> 00:21:48,821 I really don't. Yes, you do. 368 00:21:48,821 --> 00:21:50,981 If you still hate it at the end of this year, 369 00:21:50,981 --> 00:21:52,981 then we can talk about moving you, but right now, 370 00:21:52,981 --> 00:21:55,981 I need you to just grow... Was it you? Was what me? 371 00:22:00,981 --> 00:22:01,981 Who killed Dad? 372 00:22:03,981 --> 00:22:04,981 What? 373 00:22:06,981 --> 00:22:07,981 Was it? 374 00:22:10,501 --> 00:22:12,981 How can you even ask me that? Well, you haven't said no. 375 00:22:14,661 --> 00:22:16,981 DISTANT SIREN WAILING 376 00:22:17,981 --> 00:22:18,981 No. 377 00:22:20,981 --> 00:22:22,981 VOICE CRACKING: It wasn't me. 378 00:22:24,981 --> 00:22:25,981 You don't seem that sure. 379 00:22:25,981 --> 00:22:27,981 I'm very sure, 380 00:22:27,981 --> 00:22:32,821 I'm just in shock that you could even think that. 381 00:22:32,821 --> 00:22:35,981 No. A thousand times, no. 382 00:22:35,981 --> 00:22:36,981 No. 383 00:22:40,981 --> 00:22:42,981 Have you told the police about the row that night? 384 00:22:42,981 --> 00:22:43,981 EXHALES GENTLY 385 00:22:44,981 --> 00:22:45,981 What row? 386 00:22:47,981 --> 00:22:49,661 Do you think I don't remember? 387 00:22:51,021 --> 00:22:55,021 I remember it all. Very clearly, Mum. 388 00:22:57,981 --> 00:22:59,981 It was just one of our rows. 389 00:23:01,981 --> 00:23:04,981 OK? Nothing more. 390 00:23:04,981 --> 00:23:08,181 I would never have hurt your father, Tay, never. 391 00:23:12,981 --> 00:23:14,981 But I do want you to promise me something. 392 00:23:14,981 --> 00:23:16,981 What? 393 00:23:16,981 --> 00:23:19,981 I want you to promise me that you will never mention that row, 394 00:23:19,981 --> 00:23:22,501 or, in fact, any of the others to the police. 395 00:23:23,341 --> 00:23:24,501 Why? 396 00:23:24,501 --> 00:23:26,981 Because they will almost certainly come to all the wrong conclusions, 397 00:23:26,981 --> 00:23:28,981 and it's... it's just not worth it. 398 00:23:28,981 --> 00:23:30,981 Will you promise me that? 399 00:23:36,341 --> 00:23:37,661 There's, erm... 400 00:23:40,981 --> 00:23:41,981 There's... 401 00:23:42,981 --> 00:23:45,021 CLEARS THROAT ...something I've never told you. 402 00:23:57,661 --> 00:23:59,341 'So, thanks for taking the time to speak to us.' 403 00:23:59,341 --> 00:24:00,981 No problem at all. 404 00:24:00,981 --> 00:24:03,981 'Can I dive straight in, Melinda, and ask you how you knew Mr Cooper?' 405 00:24:05,981 --> 00:24:07,981 Sure. Erm... 406 00:24:08,981 --> 00:24:11,981 I met him initially at a political thing he'd started. 407 00:24:11,981 --> 00:24:14,981 This was UK United? 'Yes.' 408 00:24:14,981 --> 00:24:16,501 So, when was that exactly? 409 00:24:16,501 --> 00:24:20,661 Er, that would have been... late 2015, I guess. 410 00:24:20,661 --> 00:24:22,981 And you hit it off straight away? 411 00:24:22,981 --> 00:24:24,981 Yeah, kind of. 412 00:24:24,981 --> 00:24:28,981 We shared a similar outlook on the world, sense of humour. 413 00:24:28,981 --> 00:24:30,981 Neither of us were afraid to call it as we saw it. 414 00:24:30,981 --> 00:24:33,021 'And you became friends, would you say?' 415 00:24:33,981 --> 00:24:36,981 Yes. Briefly. "Briefly"? 416 00:24:38,981 --> 00:24:43,981 Yeah, we... ran into each other a few times over the next few months. 417 00:24:43,981 --> 00:24:45,981 I think I might have had a lunch with him once. 418 00:24:45,981 --> 00:24:49,981 Right. So it didn't develop into anything more? 419 00:24:49,981 --> 00:24:50,981 'Like what?' 420 00:24:50,981 --> 00:24:53,981 Like a romantic relationship. 'No.' 421 00:24:54,981 --> 00:24:59,181 Right. Because we spoke to a witness who suggested it did. 422 00:24:59,181 --> 00:25:00,341 What witness? 423 00:25:00,341 --> 00:25:03,021 An old friend of his who ran into you both 424 00:25:03,021 --> 00:25:06,661 in a pub in Aldgate in 2020. 425 00:25:07,981 --> 00:25:10,821 Well, that was then. 426 00:25:11,501 --> 00:25:13,981 Sorry, I'm confused. Are you saying that you did have 427 00:25:13,981 --> 00:25:15,021 a relationship with him, or you didn't? 428 00:25:15,021 --> 00:25:18,981 Yes... I did. 429 00:25:18,981 --> 00:25:21,981 A very brief one, just not when you were saying. 430 00:25:21,981 --> 00:25:24,981 My question didn't actually specify a timeframe, 431 00:25:24,981 --> 00:25:25,981 but that's... that's fine. 432 00:25:25,981 --> 00:25:29,341 So, erm, spell it out nice and clearly for us. 433 00:25:29,341 --> 00:25:30,981 When did you two get together? 434 00:25:31,981 --> 00:25:34,821 Erm... Summer of 2020, 435 00:25:34,821 --> 00:25:35,981 just as things were opening up again. 436 00:25:35,981 --> 00:25:38,981 'And when you say "brief"...?' 437 00:25:39,981 --> 00:25:42,981 'Erm, just a few weeks, two months at the most.' 438 00:25:42,981 --> 00:25:44,981 'And did his wife know about this?' 439 00:25:44,981 --> 00:25:46,981 I've no idea. 440 00:25:46,981 --> 00:25:51,501 'But you think you weren't seeing him in February 2021?' No. 441 00:25:51,501 --> 00:25:53,981 But you were still living in the UK at this point? 442 00:25:53,981 --> 00:25:56,981 Yes. 'So, when exactly did you move to Ireland?' 443 00:25:56,981 --> 00:25:58,821 Early March, 2021. 444 00:25:58,821 --> 00:25:59,981 PEN SCRATCHES OK. 445 00:25:59,981 --> 00:26:01,821 So, just a couple of weeks after he disappeared. 446 00:26:01,821 --> 00:26:02,981 I obviously had no idea about that. 447 00:26:02,981 --> 00:26:04,981 You didn't know he'd gone missing? No. 448 00:26:04,981 --> 00:26:05,981 'So, when did you find out?' 449 00:26:05,981 --> 00:26:08,981 A mutual friend told me months later. 450 00:26:08,981 --> 00:26:11,021 'How?' Er, they messaged me, I think. 451 00:26:11,021 --> 00:26:13,981 Hm. Can you forward that to us? 452 00:26:13,981 --> 00:26:16,981 Er, actually, no. Wait, I... Er... 453 00:26:18,981 --> 00:26:19,981 It might have been a call. 454 00:26:20,981 --> 00:26:23,981 OK, er, well, think we'll come back to that. 455 00:26:23,981 --> 00:26:26,981 'And what prompted the move to Ireland?' 456 00:26:27,981 --> 00:26:31,981 Erm... I used to come on holiday here as a kid. 457 00:26:31,981 --> 00:26:33,981 My dad was born here. 458 00:26:33,981 --> 00:26:35,981 I was feeling a bit burned out from London, 459 00:26:35,981 --> 00:26:38,981 and then when I got offered the job with BNC, 460 00:26:38,981 --> 00:26:41,981 I could do that from anywhere, so... Change as good as a rest. 461 00:26:41,981 --> 00:26:44,981 'And so when do you think was the last time you might have seen him?' 462 00:26:45,981 --> 00:26:47,981 Oh, maybe, erm... 463 00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:51,341 October, November, 2020. 464 00:26:51,341 --> 00:26:53,981 'So, this was just as your relationship was coming to an end?' 465 00:26:53,981 --> 00:26:56,181 Yes. 'And how did it end?' 466 00:26:56,181 --> 00:26:57,981 Oh, just fizzled out, really. 467 00:26:57,981 --> 00:27:00,981 'No rows?' No. 'No fights?' 468 00:27:00,981 --> 00:27:03,661 No. 'Because we do have a fair amount of evidence 469 00:27:03,661 --> 00:27:05,981 'to suggest he could get violent.' 470 00:27:05,981 --> 00:27:08,981 Not with me. OK. 471 00:27:08,981 --> 00:27:11,981 Erm... Were you aware of anyone 472 00:27:11,981 --> 00:27:14,661 that you'd come into contact with through him 473 00:27:14,661 --> 00:27:16,981 who might have wanted to do him harm? 474 00:27:16,981 --> 00:27:21,981 'No. But, like I said, I didn't actually know him that well. 475 00:27:21,981 --> 00:27:24,341 'Our lives weren't that intertwined.' 476 00:27:24,341 --> 00:27:25,981 OK. 477 00:27:25,981 --> 00:27:29,981 And if we needed to know where you were on the 24th of February, 2021, 478 00:27:29,981 --> 00:27:31,981 would you be able to provide us with that information? 479 00:27:31,981 --> 00:27:33,021 I could try. 480 00:27:33,021 --> 00:27:34,981 'Any proof will do.' Sure. 481 00:27:34,981 --> 00:27:36,981 Obviously, you have our email. 'I do.' 482 00:27:38,981 --> 00:27:41,981 OK. Anything else you'd like to add? 483 00:27:41,981 --> 00:27:43,981 Anything else you think might be relevant? 484 00:27:45,981 --> 00:27:48,981 No. 'OK. Thanks so much for your time.' 485 00:27:48,981 --> 00:27:50,981 You're so welcome. You have a nice day. 486 00:27:50,981 --> 00:27:51,981 'You too.' 487 00:28:00,981 --> 00:28:04,981 So, he was violent to her, yeah? 100%. 488 00:29:31,981 --> 00:29:32,981 This site. 489 00:29:44,981 --> 00:29:47,981 OK, can everyone please stop what they are doing 490 00:29:47,981 --> 00:29:49,981 and stay exactly where they are. 491 00:29:49,981 --> 00:29:52,981 We're officers of the Immigration Enforcement Agency, 492 00:29:52,981 --> 00:29:54,981 and we believe some of you working here today 493 00:29:54,981 --> 00:29:56,981 may be doing so illegally. 494 00:30:00,981 --> 00:30:03,981 So, Martin Baines' phone... Melinda Ricci emailed, 495 00:30:03,981 --> 00:30:06,501 can't find the diaries for that year. No way (!) 496 00:30:06,501 --> 00:30:09,981 Just calling it as she sees it. Sorry, Murray, carry on. 497 00:30:09,981 --> 00:30:13,821 Sorry. Martin Baines' phone records show multiple calls to a landline 498 00:30:13,821 --> 00:30:15,981 which has the same address as the Three Crowns pub. 499 00:30:15,981 --> 00:30:17,981 Also multiple texts to a Gerry, 500 00:30:17,981 --> 00:30:20,981 which are very angry and threatening in nature, 501 00:30:20,981 --> 00:30:22,981 but weirdly, they don't stop after the 24th. 502 00:30:22,981 --> 00:30:26,341 Right. Although you'd do that if you were covering your tracks. 503 00:30:26,341 --> 00:30:27,661 Fair point. 504 00:30:27,661 --> 00:30:29,661 Listen, we still need to take a swab from him 505 00:30:29,661 --> 00:30:31,981 for the assault in the car park, can we get someone down there? 506 00:30:31,981 --> 00:30:32,981 Yeah. I can sort. 507 00:30:32,981 --> 00:30:34,981 And where are we on Cooper's records? 508 00:30:34,981 --> 00:30:36,981 So, we've obviously looked 509 00:30:36,981 --> 00:30:39,981 at a fair amount of his open source stuff. 510 00:30:39,981 --> 00:30:40,981 He used a number of platforms. 511 00:30:40,981 --> 00:30:43,821 Parler, Reddit, obviously Twitter. X. 512 00:30:43,821 --> 00:30:46,181 X. And? 513 00:30:46,181 --> 00:30:47,981 Endless fights on X, 514 00:30:47,981 --> 00:30:50,981 very aggressive and hate speech-y from him, 515 00:30:50,981 --> 00:30:52,981 but, perhaps more significantly, to him. 516 00:30:52,981 --> 00:30:56,981 Any physical threats to him? Dozens that we've found so far. 517 00:30:56,981 --> 00:30:58,021 And death threats. Mm-hm. 518 00:30:58,021 --> 00:31:00,981 And the rows were about...? Everything that you'd expect 519 00:31:00,981 --> 00:31:01,981 from what we're now learning about him. 520 00:31:01,981 --> 00:31:04,981 Immigration, lockdown, grooming gangs, vaccines. 521 00:31:04,981 --> 00:31:07,341 It's gammon bingo. Can't say that. 522 00:31:07,341 --> 00:31:11,981 Emails and texts have just come in, I'm getting them printed up. 523 00:31:11,981 --> 00:31:12,981 Triangulation, still waiting on. 524 00:31:12,981 --> 00:31:16,981 Man, I would love to have been a fly on the wall in that house. 525 00:31:18,341 --> 00:31:19,981 Well, the daughter was. 526 00:31:20,981 --> 00:31:22,981 I mean, if this was some sort of coercive, 527 00:31:22,981 --> 00:31:24,981 toxic marriage that blew up... 528 00:31:24,981 --> 00:31:26,981 she would have witnessed it, right? 529 00:31:26,981 --> 00:31:28,981 She'd have certainly seen something. 530 00:31:28,981 --> 00:31:31,981 I wonder if the school would let us talk to her there? 531 00:31:32,981 --> 00:31:33,981 Why don't we call? 532 00:31:36,981 --> 00:31:38,981 KNOCK AT DOOR 533 00:31:40,981 --> 00:31:41,981 Hey. Hi. 534 00:31:42,981 --> 00:31:45,981 Just, er... Just wondered if you got my email. 535 00:31:46,981 --> 00:31:49,981 Er, no. Sorry. Been a bit... 536 00:31:51,981 --> 00:31:52,981 What did it say? 537 00:31:53,981 --> 00:31:56,981 Er, the board want a meeting. They... 538 00:31:56,981 --> 00:31:57,981 They think they have a solution. 539 00:31:59,981 --> 00:32:01,981 What solution? 540 00:32:01,981 --> 00:32:05,021 Well, obviously, you're aware that funding's on the floor 541 00:32:05,021 --> 00:32:08,341 for the next five years anyway, so, basically, erm... 542 00:32:10,981 --> 00:32:12,981 ...they want to offer you early retirement. 543 00:32:31,981 --> 00:32:34,981 Asif was a lovely guy. Couldn't do enough for people. 544 00:32:34,981 --> 00:32:37,981 And I presume that includes the Dowari family? Absolutely. 545 00:32:37,981 --> 00:32:40,981 In fact, I ran into him a few months after he stopped working for us, 546 00:32:40,981 --> 00:32:43,981 and he told me he was still in contact with them, 547 00:32:43,981 --> 00:32:46,981 still helping them, all pro bono. 548 00:32:46,981 --> 00:32:50,981 Did you personally ever see him have any interaction with Gerard Cooper? 549 00:32:50,981 --> 00:32:53,821 A few times, yeah. What was he like with him? 550 00:32:53,821 --> 00:32:55,981 Always incredibly polite. 551 00:32:55,981 --> 00:32:59,181 Very quietly spoken, very diplomatic. 552 00:32:59,181 --> 00:33:01,981 So, he never got wound up by him? Not to his face, no. 553 00:33:01,981 --> 00:33:03,981 How do you mean, "not to his face"? 554 00:33:03,981 --> 00:33:05,981 I gave him a lift to another rental one time, 555 00:33:05,981 --> 00:33:09,341 it was on my way back to the office, and he said back in his country, 556 00:33:09,341 --> 00:33:12,821 in his village, people like Cooper got dealt with. 557 00:33:12,821 --> 00:33:14,821 What do you think he meant by that? I don't know. 558 00:33:14,821 --> 00:33:16,981 I just remember there was something in his eyes when he said it 559 00:33:16,981 --> 00:33:18,981 that sent a chill down my spine. 560 00:33:18,981 --> 00:33:19,981 And the Dowaris, can I speak to them? 561 00:33:19,981 --> 00:33:21,981 If you can find them. 562 00:33:21,981 --> 00:33:25,981 We moved them from Cooper's flat to another in February 2021, 563 00:33:25,981 --> 00:33:29,981 and then a few weeks later, they just upped and left one night, 564 00:33:29,981 --> 00:33:30,981 completely dropped out the system. 565 00:33:30,981 --> 00:33:32,981 Specifically when did they disappear? 566 00:33:34,981 --> 00:33:36,661 February 28th, 2021. 567 00:33:38,981 --> 00:33:40,981 Can I have that last address, please? 568 00:33:41,981 --> 00:33:46,981 For elimination purposes, I really think we should swab Asif Syed. 569 00:33:46,981 --> 00:33:47,981 On it. 570 00:33:52,981 --> 00:33:56,981 So, these are text messages from 2019 and 2020, 571 00:33:56,981 --> 00:33:58,981 and you don't have to read too many to realise that they were 572 00:33:58,981 --> 00:34:01,181 quite clearly in a relationship at this point. 573 00:34:02,981 --> 00:34:05,981 "Hey. At work, and can't stop replaying last night. 574 00:34:05,981 --> 00:34:08,501 "Getting hard just thinking about you. 575 00:34:08,501 --> 00:34:11,981 "G. Kiss, kiss, kiss." Yeah, last of the great charmers (!) 576 00:34:11,981 --> 00:34:14,981 That's, er, February 2020. OK. 577 00:34:16,341 --> 00:34:18,981 "Eurostar full. How about we fly? 578 00:34:19,981 --> 00:34:22,981 "J and T away with her mum for the weekend, 579 00:34:22,981 --> 00:34:24,661 "shall we play?" 580 00:34:24,661 --> 00:34:25,981 That's April 2019. 581 00:34:25,981 --> 00:34:30,981 So, we got emails going between them from late 2018, 582 00:34:30,981 --> 00:34:33,501 which is when the relationship seemed to have started. 583 00:34:33,501 --> 00:34:36,981 OK. So she flat-out lied. Hm. Yeah. 584 00:34:36,981 --> 00:34:40,981 It all seems to go sour, sort of start of 2021. 585 00:34:40,981 --> 00:34:44,341 My guess is that he knew not to write down too much. 586 00:34:44,341 --> 00:34:46,981 But I did find these three messages. 587 00:34:46,981 --> 00:34:51,181 These are just from his side, and these are from February 2021. 588 00:34:51,181 --> 00:34:53,981 "Do not ignore me, Mel, or you will regret it." Yeah. 589 00:34:55,981 --> 00:34:56,981 "Mel, call me, 590 00:34:56,981 --> 00:34:59,981 "we can still discuss the amount, I am open to discussion." 591 00:34:59,981 --> 00:35:03,981 And this last one is from the 15th of February. 592 00:35:03,981 --> 00:35:06,981 "If you make me lose everything I have ever worked for, 593 00:35:06,981 --> 00:35:08,981 "I swear to God, I will fuck you up." 594 00:35:09,981 --> 00:35:13,981 OK. So, these are blackmail threats. From a person we know was violent. 595 00:35:19,981 --> 00:35:21,981 Do you think they could have met? Who? 596 00:35:23,981 --> 00:35:25,341 Melinda and Juliet? 597 00:35:29,501 --> 00:35:31,981 Wow. Oh. It's just a thought. 598 00:35:34,021 --> 00:35:35,981 OK, er... 599 00:35:36,981 --> 00:35:39,981 One of us has to go over there, and it can't be me. 600 00:35:39,981 --> 00:35:41,821 OK. Sorry. 601 00:35:41,821 --> 00:35:44,981 Er, no, that's fine. It's just... I... I, erm... 602 00:35:44,981 --> 00:35:48,341 I still have stuff going on at home, Sunny. 603 00:35:48,341 --> 00:35:49,981 No, you don't have to explain. 604 00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:52,981 I'm sorry. Because I know we... You know, we both... 605 00:35:52,981 --> 00:35:56,981 shared before, but, erm... it... SHE LAUGHS 606 00:35:56,981 --> 00:36:01,661 To be honest, it is just so damn complicated, 607 00:36:01,661 --> 00:36:03,981 I wouldn't even know where to begin. 608 00:36:03,981 --> 00:36:05,981 Seriously, no worries at all. 609 00:36:05,981 --> 00:36:09,501 But also, you know, I'm here if you... 610 00:36:10,501 --> 00:36:12,981 Thank you. Seriously. 611 00:36:12,981 --> 00:36:14,981 Thank you. OK. Right. 612 00:36:30,341 --> 00:36:33,981 Erm... Sorry. Hey, Lee? Hey, how you doing? 613 00:36:33,981 --> 00:36:37,021 Yeah, all great, thanks. Did you get my message? 614 00:36:37,021 --> 00:36:40,981 Yeah, really sorry, I've been mad busy, but, erm... 615 00:36:40,981 --> 00:36:43,981 I'll call you. Yeah, I... 616 00:36:43,981 --> 00:36:47,981 No rush. Just... Yeah. Yeah. Speak soon, then. 617 00:36:48,981 --> 00:36:52,981 Er... Yeah. Yeah. Sorry to interrupt. 618 00:36:54,981 --> 00:36:56,981 PATIENT: So, what I was saying is financially... 619 00:37:12,981 --> 00:37:14,981 It'll just be ten seconds. 620 00:37:15,981 --> 00:37:18,981 Alison said she needed to be here if you spoke to me, 621 00:37:18,981 --> 00:37:19,981 so where... where's Alison? 622 00:37:19,981 --> 00:37:22,981 I didn't wanna get her all the way down here just for a swab, Marty. 623 00:37:22,981 --> 00:37:26,981 Oh, come on, love, help the young lady out, huh? 624 00:37:28,021 --> 00:37:30,981 Okey-dokey, pig in a pokey. 625 00:37:33,981 --> 00:37:36,021 I-I... So, just give me a minute. 626 00:37:43,981 --> 00:37:46,981 OK... Here we go. 627 00:37:56,021 --> 00:37:58,981 Hey. Hi. 628 00:38:02,981 --> 00:38:05,981 Is Hassan not here? He's not back from work yet. 629 00:38:08,981 --> 00:38:12,981 Look, Asif. I've been thinking about everything you said, and... 630 00:38:14,341 --> 00:38:15,981 ...I'm... I'm sorry. 631 00:38:17,981 --> 00:38:19,021 I really am. 632 00:38:22,021 --> 00:38:25,821 Asif... You cope so well. 633 00:38:27,981 --> 00:38:29,981 You're so, so strong, that... 634 00:38:30,981 --> 00:38:32,981 ...I forget what you've been through. 635 00:38:35,981 --> 00:38:37,981 But, I mean, the truth is I... 636 00:38:39,981 --> 00:38:43,981 I can't even begin to imagine what it must have been like for you. 637 00:38:47,981 --> 00:38:51,981 And I do completely understand your anger. 638 00:38:56,981 --> 00:38:58,981 And... Listen. 639 00:39:00,501 --> 00:39:01,981 I wanna try and help. 640 00:39:04,981 --> 00:39:06,981 FIRM KNOCK AT DOOR 641 00:39:17,981 --> 00:39:20,181 Evening, sir. Hello. 642 00:39:21,021 --> 00:39:24,501 Is this your home? Er, it is, yeah. 643 00:39:24,501 --> 00:39:27,821 You're Samuel Collet? Yes. 644 00:39:27,821 --> 00:39:28,981 Mr Collet, my name is Officer Hughes 645 00:39:28,981 --> 00:39:30,981 from the Immigration Enforcement Unit. 646 00:39:30,981 --> 00:39:33,981 I have a warrant to search these premises 647 00:39:33,981 --> 00:39:35,981 under Section 28D of the Immigration Act 1971, 648 00:39:35,981 --> 00:39:39,021 with regard to information gained on an earlier raid today. 649 00:39:39,021 --> 00:39:40,981 Are we OK to come in, please? 650 00:39:41,981 --> 00:39:43,981 Yeah... Yeah, sure. 651 00:40:03,981 --> 00:40:04,981 Enjoy your flight, sir. 652 00:40:06,181 --> 00:40:07,341 Thanks. 653 00:40:23,981 --> 00:40:27,501 Marty? Marty, come on. BANGING ON DOOR 654 00:40:27,501 --> 00:40:28,981 SHE GRUNTS 655 00:40:28,981 --> 00:40:32,981 Why have you double-locked the door, Marty? 656 00:40:32,981 --> 00:40:36,821 I just need to see Mum, sweetheart. Please, let me in. 657 00:40:40,981 --> 00:40:42,981 Marty. 658 00:40:42,981 --> 00:40:44,981 I just need to see Mum's OK. HE GRUNTS SOFTLY 659 00:40:44,981 --> 00:40:48,981 If you don't let me in, I'll have to call the police. 660 00:40:48,981 --> 00:40:53,501 SOFT GRUNTING, HEAVY BREATHING 661 00:41:02,981 --> 00:41:05,981 HEAVY BREATHING CONTINUES 662 00:41:25,981 --> 00:41:28,981 INDISTINCT MUTTERING 663 00:41:28,981 --> 00:41:29,981 OK, sure. 664 00:41:30,981 --> 00:41:33,981 OK, do you wanna come through, please, Mr Collet? 665 00:41:35,981 --> 00:41:37,981 Why... Why is my partner still here? 666 00:41:37,981 --> 00:41:39,981 Ah-ah-ah... No, I've already explained to you. 667 00:41:39,981 --> 00:41:41,981 It's got nothing to do with him, it was all me. 668 00:41:43,981 --> 00:41:45,341 This way. 669 00:41:48,981 --> 00:41:51,981 OK, we've had a request from a Bishop Street station in London 670 00:41:51,981 --> 00:41:53,981 in connection with another investigation. 671 00:41:53,981 --> 00:41:56,981 They're asking if they could get a swab from you today. 672 00:41:56,981 --> 00:41:58,981 You OK with that? Yes. 673 00:41:58,981 --> 00:42:00,981 If you'd like to follow me, then, please. 674 00:42:37,501 --> 00:42:39,981 Yeah, it would just be a general chat, really, 675 00:42:39,981 --> 00:42:43,981 just about the events leading up to her dad's disappearance. 676 00:42:43,981 --> 00:42:44,981 Right. 677 00:42:44,981 --> 00:42:47,661 Which, as I say, for a number of reasons, 678 00:42:47,661 --> 00:42:49,981 we would rather do without her mum present. 679 00:42:49,981 --> 00:42:50,981 'Is she...?' 680 00:42:52,981 --> 00:42:56,981 I mean, has Mrs Cooper been arrested? 681 00:42:56,981 --> 00:42:59,661 No. Not yet. KNOCK AT DOOR 682 00:42:59,661 --> 00:43:02,981 'I'll need to take some advice on this, can I call you right back?' 683 00:43:02,981 --> 00:43:05,981 Yeah. OK. ASAP, please. Bye. 684 00:43:05,981 --> 00:43:07,981 Sorry to disturb, guv. 685 00:43:07,981 --> 00:43:10,981 Juliet Cooper's downstairs, and she wants to speak to you. 686 00:43:14,981 --> 00:43:17,981 Yesterday, my daughter told me 687 00:43:17,981 --> 00:43:20,981 that about a week before her dad went missing, 688 00:43:20,981 --> 00:43:22,981 she'd come home from school 689 00:43:22,981 --> 00:43:27,181 to find a young man who'd worked for Gerry in our flat. 690 00:43:28,981 --> 00:43:30,981 He'd obviously broken in somehow. 691 00:43:30,981 --> 00:43:32,981 I was still at work, Gerry was out at meetings, 692 00:43:32,981 --> 00:43:35,181 meaning Taylor was alone with him. 693 00:43:35,181 --> 00:43:37,981 And did she know him? 694 00:43:38,981 --> 00:43:40,981 Yeah, she'd chatted to him when he worked downstairs, 695 00:43:40,981 --> 00:43:45,981 but she said he was very agitated and very angry. 696 00:43:45,981 --> 00:43:47,821 About? Her dad. 697 00:43:47,821 --> 00:43:49,981 Maybe me a bit. 698 00:43:49,981 --> 00:43:54,021 And he told her that he wanted to hurt her dad 699 00:43:54,021 --> 00:43:56,981 like he thought Gerry had hurt him. 700 00:43:57,981 --> 00:43:58,981 And how old was Taylor? 701 00:43:58,981 --> 00:44:02,501 Eleven. My God, that must have been terrifying for her. 702 00:44:02,501 --> 00:44:05,981 It was. And, so, what happened? 703 00:44:05,981 --> 00:44:07,981 Well, she managed to convince him 704 00:44:07,981 --> 00:44:09,981 that hurting her dad would be a bad idea... 705 00:44:11,981 --> 00:44:13,981 ...and that it would really upset her. 706 00:44:14,981 --> 00:44:15,981 He said he didn't want to do that. 707 00:44:17,981 --> 00:44:19,981 So then she made him a glass of squash. 708 00:44:21,981 --> 00:44:23,661 They chatted a bit more, 709 00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:25,981 and after about 20 minutes, he just left. 710 00:44:27,981 --> 00:44:31,501 And why... why has she never told you about this before? 711 00:44:31,501 --> 00:44:32,981 She hadn't wanted to get him into trouble. 712 00:44:34,821 --> 00:44:37,981 She liked him. She felt sorry for him, as do I. 713 00:44:37,981 --> 00:44:40,821 Hence my slowness in telling you this. 714 00:44:41,981 --> 00:44:44,981 I know he went through a really tough time in the pandemic. 715 00:44:48,981 --> 00:44:50,181 Does she remember his name? 716 00:44:51,661 --> 00:44:53,181 Yes. 717 00:44:53,181 --> 00:44:56,821 It was Marty. Marty Baines. 718 00:44:58,981 --> 00:45:01,981 VIOLENT BANGING AT DOOR 719 00:45:06,501 --> 00:45:07,981 OFFICER: Here. Oh, no. 720 00:45:07,981 --> 00:45:09,981 There's no-one in either of the bedrooms. 721 00:45:09,981 --> 00:45:11,661 Ambulance. 722 00:45:11,661 --> 00:45:13,981 Medical assistance required urgently, please. Dot? 723 00:45:13,981 --> 00:45:16,981 Dot, can you hear me? Dot? 724 00:45:16,981 --> 00:45:17,981 BREATHING HEAVILY 725 00:45:36,981 --> 00:45:38,981 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 56552

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