All language subtitles for 02zjhfvbzdkhgzdkhg

af Afrikaans
ak Akan
sq Albanian
am Amharic
ar Arabic
hy Armenian
az Azerbaijani
eu Basque
be Belarusian
bem Bemba
bn Bengali
bh Bihari
bs Bosnian
br Breton
bg Bulgarian
km Cambodian
ca Catalan
ceb Cebuano
chr Cherokee
ny Chichewa
zh-CN Chinese (Simplified)
zh-TW Chinese (Traditional)
co Corsican
hr Croatian
cs Czech
da Danish
nl Dutch
en English
eo Esperanto
et Estonian
ee Ewe
fo Faroese
tl Filipino
fi Finnish
fr French
fy Frisian
gaa Ga
gl Galician
ka Georgian
de German
el Greek
gn Guarani
gu Gujarati
ht Haitian Creole
ha Hausa
haw Hawaiian
iw Hebrew
hi Hindi
hmn Hmong
hu Hungarian
is Icelandic
ig Igbo
id Indonesian
ia Interlingua
ga Irish
it Italian
ja Japanese
jw Javanese
kn Kannada
kk Kazakh
rw Kinyarwanda
rn Kirundi
kg Kongo
ko Korean
kri Krio (Sierra Leone)
ku Kurdish
ckb Kurdish (Soranî)
ky Kyrgyz
lo Laothian
la Latin
lv Latvian
ln Lingala
lt Lithuanian
loz Lozi
lg Luganda
ach Luo
lb Luxembourgish
mk Macedonian
mg Malagasy
ms Malay
ml Malayalam
mt Maltese
mi Maori
mr Marathi
mfe Mauritian Creole
mo Moldavian
mn Mongolian
my Myanmar (Burmese)
sr-ME Montenegrin
ne Nepali
pcm Nigerian Pidgin
nso Northern Sotho
no Norwegian
nn Norwegian (Nynorsk)
oc Occitan
or Oriya
om Oromo
ps Pashto
fa Persian
pl Polish
pt-BR Portuguese (Brazil)
pt Portuguese (Portugal)
pa Punjabi
qu Quechua
ro Romanian
rm Romansh
nyn Runyakitara
ru Russian Download
sm Samoan
gd Scots Gaelic
sr Serbian
sh Serbo-Croatian
st Sesotho
tn Setswana
crs Seychellois Creole
sn Shona
sd Sindhi
si Sinhalese
sk Slovak
sl Slovenian
so Somali
es Spanish
es-419 Spanish (Latin American)
su Sundanese
sw Swahili
sv Swedish
tg Tajik
ta Tamil
tt Tatar
te Telugu
th Thai
ti Tigrinya
to Tonga
lua Tshiluba
tum Tumbuka
tr Turkish
tk Turkmen
tw Twi
ug Uighur
uk Ukrainian
ur Urdu
uz Uzbek
vi Vietnamese
cy Welsh
wo Wolof
xh Xhosa
yi Yiddish
yo Yoruba
zu Zulu
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,870 --> 00:00:08,180 - Imagine all you know is that you had a brother. 2 00:00:08,270 --> 00:00:10,180 The brother died when he was four months. 3 00:00:10,180 --> 00:00:11,920 You've heard a variety of reasons, 4 00:00:12,060 --> 00:00:15,490 and ultimately that you killed him. 5 00:00:17,540 --> 00:00:19,670 - But I just didn't believe it. 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,540 - There's no way in hell that this child died from being 7 00:00:22,670 --> 00:00:24,680 pushed out of the crib. 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,510 - But if I didn't do it, who did? 9 00:00:32,210 --> 00:00:33,820 - This can happen-- 10 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:35,340 [snaps] Just like that. 11 00:00:35,470 --> 00:00:37,780 So we were going to have to put that crime scene 12 00:00:37,860 --> 00:00:39,470 back together. 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:40,610 Let's crank it up. 14 00:00:40,690 --> 00:00:42,480 Game on. 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,610 - This extraordinary case has come over 25 years 16 00:00:46,700 --> 00:00:48,310 after the death of Matthew Golder. 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,100 - Do you have a brother named Matthew Stephen Golder? 18 00:00:52,180 --> 00:00:54,450 - Finally, her day had arrived. 19 00:00:57,270 --> 00:00:59,150 - You had this feeling as everything 20 00:00:59,150 --> 00:01:01,630 hangs on a knife edge. 21 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,410 - The story you have heard here today 22 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:09,030 is the story that Kathie Almon today wants you to believe. 23 00:01:10,810 --> 00:01:14,340 - Now she's beginning to read this as the cover story. 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:17,730 - You're sort of damned if you do, and you're damned 25 00:01:17,860 --> 00:01:19,430 if you don't. 26 00:01:19,510 --> 00:01:21,470 - And that's up to the judge to determine. 27 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:26,000 - You're not going to be sent away for life in prison. 28 00:01:26,090 --> 00:01:28,960 - Well, I have spent a life in a prison. 29 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:31,000 - What just happened? 30 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,620 - All my life, I knew there was something 31 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:43,190 wrong with Matthew's death. 32 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,630 But I was not prepared to learn the truth. 33 00:02:02,910 --> 00:02:05,780 - This was a once-in-a-lifetime case. 34 00:02:05,860 --> 00:02:08,000 Tracy had been told that she was 35 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,830 responsible for killing her 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,920 four-month-old brother, Matt. 37 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:15,870 - It's kind of an unimaginable sort of trauma 38 00:02:16,010 --> 00:02:19,100 to inflict on a person. 39 00:02:19,180 --> 00:02:21,400 - While we were looking at what happened 40 00:02:21,490 --> 00:02:23,670 to Matthew Golder, it kept gnawing at me, 41 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,750 and Dr. Burton as well, 42 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,280 that there was a stone that had not been turned over. 43 00:02:29,410 --> 00:02:31,280 There had not been an autopsy. 44 00:02:31,370 --> 00:02:34,850 We had medical records saying that Matthew Golder 45 00:02:34,940 --> 00:02:36,500 died from a fall. 46 00:02:36,590 --> 00:02:40,120 But it was very unclear as to the manner of death. 47 00:02:43,290 --> 00:02:45,170 - And because of that, the decision was 48 00:02:45,250 --> 00:02:48,470 made to exhume Matt's body. 49 00:02:51,430 --> 00:02:54,040 - Exhumations are very rare. 50 00:02:54,130 --> 00:02:56,790 No one, to their knowledge, had ever heard 51 00:02:56,870 --> 00:02:59,000 of an exhumation of a child. 52 00:02:59,090 --> 00:03:02,310 And no one had ever heard of an exhumation of a child that 53 00:03:02,310 --> 00:03:04,660 had been underground for 25 years. 54 00:03:04,750 --> 00:03:07,360 I think the general conclusion was that we were wasting 55 00:03:07,450 --> 00:03:09,710 our time, that there was nothing going to be there 56 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,370 when we opened that casket up. 57 00:03:11,450 --> 00:03:13,020 - You don't know what to expect. 58 00:03:15,930 --> 00:03:18,850 I've seen bodies that were buried six months earlier 59 00:03:18,940 --> 00:03:20,550 that were nearly skeletonized. 60 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,080 Knowing how small this little human body was 61 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,080 and not really knowing how the embalming process might have 62 00:03:31,170 --> 00:03:33,950 taken place, Dr. Burton and I, 63 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,870 I don't think either one of us would have been surprised 64 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,180 if the casket was opened, and there was nothing identifiable, 65 00:03:40,260 --> 00:03:43,140 perhaps, other than bones. 66 00:03:43,220 --> 00:03:46,010 - But if that was the case, we could 67 00:03:46,100 --> 00:03:48,450 argue we tried to see whether there was any 68 00:03:48,530 --> 00:03:49,880 physical evidence still around, 69 00:03:50,010 --> 00:03:52,190 and it wasn't there. 70 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,890 But we also said in the unlikely event 71 00:03:54,970 --> 00:03:58,760 that Matt's body was still intact, wow. 72 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,370 Boy, that would be some powerful evidence. 73 00:04:06,550 --> 00:04:10,420 - The day of the exhumation was March 17, 1997. 74 00:04:10,510 --> 00:04:12,770 - I remember that day quite vividly. 75 00:04:18,910 --> 00:04:24,790 - I do remember feeling a bit more somber. 76 00:04:25,660 --> 00:04:30,180 It seemed to me that we were disturbing a sleeping baby. 77 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:31,620 And that really bothered me. 78 00:04:34,190 --> 00:04:36,970 But like so many things that we don't want to do, 79 00:04:37,060 --> 00:04:38,930 we have to get through it. 80 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,760 The setting was very quiet. 81 00:04:45,850 --> 00:04:48,850 It was very serene, the way a cemetery should be. 82 00:04:51,470 --> 00:04:54,340 - I remember Dr. Burton talking 83 00:04:54,340 --> 00:04:56,430 about Matthew, using his name. 84 00:04:56,510 --> 00:04:58,860 And that really stuck with me, that there 85 00:04:58,990 --> 00:05:02,300 was a level of compassion about the experience, 86 00:05:02,390 --> 00:05:05,780 and not just looking at what we were doing as exhuming a body, 87 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:07,520 but looking at it as trying to find out the truth 88 00:05:07,610 --> 00:05:09,220 of what happened to Matthew. 89 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:14,270 - When I got to the grave site, the dirt had already 90 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,880 been moved off the vault, so right then, 91 00:05:17,010 --> 00:05:19,410 we knew that at least there had been a vault. 92 00:05:19,490 --> 00:05:22,760 And coincidentally, the grave digger 93 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:24,850 who put Matthew in the ground was the same grave digger 94 00:05:24,930 --> 00:05:27,150 that dug him back up. 95 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,110 - The vault is concrete and contains 96 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,200 the casket on the inside. 97 00:05:31,290 --> 00:05:33,680 There are times in exhumations where 98 00:05:33,810 --> 00:05:36,340 the vault lid is lifted off, and everything's underwater. 99 00:05:36,420 --> 00:05:38,430 And in cases like that, the chances 100 00:05:38,510 --> 00:05:41,860 of finding any remains that can be 101 00:05:41,950 --> 00:05:46,220 subjected to a meaningful examination is almost zero. 102 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:49,780 But in this particular case, the vault lid was so tightly 103 00:05:49,870 --> 00:05:53,000 sealed, the backhoe had picked up the vault 104 00:05:53,140 --> 00:05:54,440 to separate the seal. 105 00:05:54,530 --> 00:05:56,090 It was that tight. 106 00:05:56,090 --> 00:05:58,140 - There was some sort of adhesive that 107 00:05:58,270 --> 00:06:00,230 stretched like rubber cement. 108 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,840 It was just this image that has stuck with me. 109 00:06:10,890 --> 00:06:15,550 - Once we got to the morgue and the casket was opened, 110 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,420 Dr. Burton's not exaggerating in his report when he said, 111 00:06:18,420 --> 00:06:20,380 we were amazed at what we saw. 112 00:06:23,990 --> 00:06:28,950 - I remember Dr. Burton carefully opening the casket-- 113 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:51,890 And remember seeing 114 00:06:52,020 --> 00:06:55,020 a little boy 115 00:06:55,110 --> 00:06:57,240 completely intact. 116 00:07:03,380 --> 00:07:06,950 He had on a onesie, 117 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,430 and he had a teddy bear. 118 00:07:11,170 --> 00:07:17,090 - It was an unforgettable, horrible, unimaginable moment. 119 00:07:17,180 --> 00:07:18,480 - No matter what your beliefs are, 120 00:07:18,570 --> 00:07:21,570 you've got to believe that God preserved 121 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:24,710 that child until we got there. 122 00:07:28,190 --> 00:07:31,190 - It absolutely blew us away. It just did. 123 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,320 I mean, there was nothing that anyone could have 124 00:07:34,410 --> 00:07:37,670 done to prepare us for that. 125 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,200 - I was emotional. 126 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,160 Then we got another surprise. 127 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,600 - It turns out there was an autopsy performed back in 1971. 128 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:52,250 We did see a previous saw cut by the pathologist who 129 00:07:52,340 --> 00:07:54,080 performed the first autopsy. 130 00:07:54,170 --> 00:07:56,170 We weren't aware of that at first. 131 00:07:56,260 --> 00:07:58,740 And those records turned out to be difficult to find, 132 00:07:58,740 --> 00:08:02,180 but eventually, they were located. 133 00:08:02,260 --> 00:08:05,350 - I heard that they had a coroner, 134 00:08:05,490 --> 00:08:06,920 not a medical examiner, 135 00:08:07,050 --> 00:08:08,230 at the time. 136 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:09,400 He took all those records home. 137 00:08:09,490 --> 00:08:11,620 He just didn't file the records. 138 00:08:11,750 --> 00:08:14,230 He said that it was just an accident. 139 00:08:17,630 --> 00:08:22,850 - There was no discussion in the original autopsy report 140 00:08:22,980 --> 00:08:25,590 on how it may have happened. 141 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,980 And in particular, there was no manner 142 00:08:27,990 --> 00:08:31,470 of death assigned by the pathologist 143 00:08:31,550 --> 00:08:33,250 who performed that autopsy. 144 00:08:33,380 --> 00:08:36,600 Knowing the stakes that were involved in a case like this, 145 00:08:36,730 --> 00:08:39,130 one that had not been initially judged 146 00:08:39,210 --> 00:08:40,690 to be homicide, 147 00:08:40,820 --> 00:08:44,180 I knew that we had to do everything right. 148 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:47,530 To me, it felt like the case had started right there. 149 00:08:56,010 --> 00:08:58,230 - First thing I noticed when Dr. Burton 150 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,190 did the head X-ray was bilateral fractures on each 151 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,070 side of the child's skull. 152 00:09:05,150 --> 00:09:07,110 - And it was a very complex fracture. 153 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,900 It had multiple arms of the fracture 154 00:09:10,030 --> 00:09:11,900 going in different directions. 155 00:09:11,990 --> 00:09:14,550 The skull itself was depressed. 156 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:17,030 It was pushed in about an 1/8 of an inch or so. 157 00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:21,340 That is highly indicative of an inflicted injury 158 00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:24,650 by a larger person. 159 00:09:24,740 --> 00:09:28,220 Part of it looked like a backwards question mark, 160 00:09:28,310 --> 00:09:31,050 2 inches or so across. 161 00:09:31,140 --> 00:09:32,790 - What looked like the side of your fist. 162 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,100 It's as if he was laying down on a hard surface 163 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:39,540 and was hit on one side of the head, 164 00:09:39,670 --> 00:09:41,580 and then causes fractures to the other side. 165 00:09:41,710 --> 00:09:43,280 But they don't connect, and that's 166 00:09:43,370 --> 00:09:46,410 how they know that they're from a specific type of trauma. 167 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:48,460 Also, they could see other evidence of abuse 168 00:09:48,590 --> 00:09:51,240 against Matthew. 169 00:09:51,330 --> 00:09:54,460 He had a third degree burn on his instep 170 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:56,120 of one of his little feet. 171 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,290 He had what looked like an old fracture to his clavicle. 172 00:09:59,380 --> 00:10:01,690 He had lots of bruising on his body. 173 00:10:01,820 --> 00:10:05,390 He had a bruised penis, 174 00:10:05,470 --> 00:10:07,520 something I can't even imagine. 175 00:10:09,260 --> 00:10:12,000 All of those details that, when you start adding 176 00:10:12,090 --> 00:10:15,480 them all up there, it's a mountain. 177 00:10:15,570 --> 00:10:18,270 So all of this information, they felt they had enough 178 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,050 to take it to a grand jury. 179 00:10:24,930 --> 00:10:28,540 - At this point, we were asking a group of citizens 180 00:10:28,630 --> 00:10:31,980 to bring formal charges against someone based on something 181 00:10:32,110 --> 00:10:36,510 that we believed happened over two decades before. 182 00:10:36,590 --> 00:10:39,640 It was not the normal case. 183 00:10:39,770 --> 00:10:42,820 - My role was to testify to the grand jury, 184 00:10:42,950 --> 00:10:47,650 to help explain to them why Dr. Burton and I felt 185 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:52,090 the injuries we found in Matthew could not be explained 186 00:10:52,170 --> 00:10:55,050 by his two-year-old sister pushing him 187 00:10:55,130 --> 00:10:56,570 or dropping him from a crib. 188 00:10:59,530 --> 00:11:03,230 - There were only two people, two adults, who could have been 189 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,840 involved in Matthew's murder. 190 00:11:05,930 --> 00:11:10,230 - Either Jan Barry Sandlin or Kathie Almon. 191 00:11:10,230 --> 00:11:15,680 And it was clear from the get-go that it was not Kathie. 192 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:20,850 - Remember, Kathie had been out running some errands. 193 00:11:20,940 --> 00:11:23,550 - And that just left one possibility. 194 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,990 It had to be Jan Barry Sandlin. 195 00:11:39,310 --> 00:11:41,400 - The grand jury decided that there was probable cause, 196 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,960 sufficient evidence to go forward 197 00:11:43,050 --> 00:11:46,050 with the prosecution of Jan Sandlin for the murder 198 00:11:46,140 --> 00:11:47,180 of Matthew Golder. 199 00:11:49,620 --> 00:11:52,970 - Jan Sandlin was charged with malice murder, felony murder, 200 00:11:52,970 --> 00:11:56,760 cruelty to children, and aggravated assault. 201 00:11:56,850 --> 00:12:00,280 - And at the time, Mr. Sandlin was in prison in Florida, 202 00:12:00,420 --> 00:12:02,980 and so he was brought up to Georgia for trial. 203 00:12:06,030 --> 00:12:08,470 - Finally, somebody's listening 204 00:12:08,550 --> 00:12:10,860 to what I have to say. 205 00:12:10,950 --> 00:12:13,520 And it-- you know, it means something. 206 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,780 - Child abuse cases, they are very 207 00:12:19,870 --> 00:12:22,090 different than any other kind of case, 208 00:12:22,180 --> 00:12:25,880 because your first hurdle is proving there was abuse. 209 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,270 Dr. Burton was clear that this child died from abuse 210 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,140 and torture prior to the abuse. 211 00:12:35,060 --> 00:12:37,670 - The fractures we observed in his head 212 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,940 were not accidental, 213 00:12:42,020 --> 00:12:45,070 were not from a fall from the crib. 214 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,240 They had been inflicted by another individual. 215 00:12:47,330 --> 00:12:53,210 And this would meet the manner of death known as homicide. 216 00:12:53,290 --> 00:12:55,430 - So when we changed the death certificate 217 00:12:55,510 --> 00:12:58,650 from accident to homicide, that really was 218 00:12:58,650 --> 00:12:59,910 the turn of the case. 219 00:13:05,050 --> 00:13:07,440 - We knew that one of the things we wanted 220 00:13:07,530 --> 00:13:10,700 to impress upon the jury was how quickly 221 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:12,490 this crime could be committed. 222 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,670 It can be very difficult to have a baby 223 00:13:20,670 --> 00:13:23,240 at home who can't speak. 224 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,500 They're crying, they're upset, 225 00:13:25,590 --> 00:13:29,160 and you just want them to be quiet. 226 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,290 And new parents have no idea what's bothering them. 227 00:13:34,550 --> 00:13:37,950 It doesn't take much for someone to lose it. 228 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,640 This can happen-- 229 00:13:39,730 --> 00:13:41,080 [snaps] Just like that. 230 00:13:43,740 --> 00:13:47,740 And he had every reason to do that. 231 00:13:50,090 --> 00:13:53,090 Jan Barry Sandlin wasn't real jazzed up 232 00:13:53,180 --> 00:13:56,270 about being left at home with this four-month-old 233 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,270 that wasn't his. 234 00:14:00,270 --> 00:14:03,020 - Matthew was not Jan's child. 235 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:05,580 He was Ted Golder's child. 236 00:14:05,710 --> 00:14:10,410 When Kathie was pregnant with me, she married Ted Golder. 237 00:14:10,410 --> 00:14:15,590 Ted was drafted into Vietnam, and she was seeing Jan, 238 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:17,810 you know, the whole time. 239 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:22,120 When Ted came home, Jan was married to Nancy Tegeder. 240 00:14:22,210 --> 00:14:25,730 And so Kathie was trying to work things out with Ted, 241 00:14:25,870 --> 00:14:29,000 and that's where Matthew occurred. 242 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,050 - We believe, given the nature of the injuries, 243 00:14:34,130 --> 00:14:37,310 Jan Barry Sandlin decided, just like that, 244 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,880 that he was going to shut him up. 245 00:14:42,620 --> 00:14:46,060 Matt died from blunt force trauma. 246 00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:49,190 - I never really wavered in the idea 247 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,110 that Jan Barry Sandlin had killed Matthew Golder. 248 00:14:51,190 --> 00:14:53,330 And so what I was always focused on 249 00:14:53,410 --> 00:14:55,630 was whether the evidence supported that. 250 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,380 And I didn't have any evidence that didn't support that. 251 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,820 - You had a four-month-old who couldn't speak for himself. 252 00:15:06,950 --> 00:15:09,600 You had a two-year-old who literally 253 00:15:09,690 --> 00:15:14,040 choreographed the case getting to the DA's office. 254 00:15:14,170 --> 00:15:16,610 You had a mother who had maintained 255 00:15:16,700 --> 00:15:18,310 that it was an accident. 256 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,700 And you had a defendant who didn't have to say a word. 257 00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:24,140 So we were going to have to put that crime scene back together 258 00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:28,230 and explain to them why there was only one person who 259 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,190 could have committed the offense, 260 00:15:30,190 --> 00:15:33,500 and it was Jan Barry Sandlin. 261 00:15:33,580 --> 00:15:35,760 - Unfortunately, Judge Fuller did 262 00:15:35,850 --> 00:15:39,290 not allow us to introduce the other injuries 263 00:15:39,420 --> 00:15:41,290 on Matthew's body. 264 00:15:41,420 --> 00:15:44,030 As I recall, we didn't have any evidence 265 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,160 to unequivocally suggest that Jan was 266 00:15:46,250 --> 00:15:47,900 responsible for those injuries to Matthew, 267 00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:50,910 so they were inadmissible. 268 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,740 - But also, Jan Barry Sandlin was serving a life sentence 269 00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:56,690 in Florida for armed robbery. 270 00:15:56,830 --> 00:16:00,130 That's not what we were allowed to tell the jury. 271 00:16:00,220 --> 00:16:02,960 And there was evidence that Kathie had been physically 272 00:16:03,090 --> 00:16:06,400 and verbally assaulted over a period of years, 273 00:16:06,490 --> 00:16:08,490 but it wasn't admitted. 274 00:16:08,580 --> 00:16:11,620 There's no such thing as a slam dunk in criminal cases. 275 00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:13,280 There just isn't. 276 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:14,890 And we knew that. 277 00:16:14,970 --> 00:16:17,110 - At that point, I don't know that they had tried 278 00:16:17,190 --> 00:16:20,410 very many cases that dated back this far 279 00:16:20,500 --> 00:16:22,680 with very little evidence. 280 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,420 So I was realistic. 281 00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:29,210 - I was assigned to give the opening statement, 282 00:16:29,290 --> 00:16:32,900 to let the jury know what your theory of the case was 283 00:16:32,990 --> 00:16:36,000 and what you believe the evidence was going to show. 284 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,220 These injuries could not have occurred 285 00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:45,660 but for an intentional and forceful assault. 286 00:16:45,740 --> 00:16:47,660 The theory was simple. 287 00:16:47,750 --> 00:16:49,660 Matt Golder was four months old. 288 00:16:49,660 --> 00:16:51,100 He was in a crib. 289 00:16:51,230 --> 00:16:53,400 He was left alone with an adult. 290 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,100 A four-month-old can't jump out of a crib. 291 00:16:56,190 --> 00:16:59,890 A two-year-old can't climb up a crib like Superman. 292 00:16:59,890 --> 00:17:01,630 There's one adult in the room. 293 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,810 There's only one person that could have done this. 294 00:17:04,940 --> 00:17:09,810 Matthew Stephen Golder was killed by that man. 295 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:15,160 - That man's life is going to be placed in your hands. 296 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:20,340 And it is important for you to know the full story. 297 00:17:20,430 --> 00:17:23,830 - Corinne Mull was Jan Barry Sandlin's defense attorney. 298 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,570 - She was very comfortable in this particular courtroom. 299 00:17:26,650 --> 00:17:29,870 Corinne was a bulldog, and so we knew that she 300 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,050 was going to be prepared. 301 00:17:32,140 --> 00:17:35,320 - That baby did not fall out of that bed, 302 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,930 did not get pushed out of that bed. 303 00:17:38,010 --> 00:17:40,840 - In her opening statement, she conceded that 304 00:17:40,930 --> 00:17:43,320 the two-year-old throwing him out 305 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:44,930 of the crib was preposterous. 306 00:17:45,020 --> 00:17:49,630 Her defenses were reasonable doubt, somebody else did it. 307 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,550 - The story you have heard here today 308 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,210 is the story that Kathie Almon today wants you to believe. 309 00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:10,920 - Tracyraquel, while she was so important to the prosecution 310 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,050 of this case, I remember being really nervous 311 00:18:14,140 --> 00:18:15,960 putting her on the stand. 312 00:18:16,050 --> 00:18:18,490 I didn't want to do anything that would 313 00:18:18,580 --> 00:18:21,670 cause her additional trauma. 314 00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:25,760 - Tracy, this is somebody who, for her whole life, 315 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,760 had fought to get to that point 316 00:18:28,850 --> 00:18:32,200 of trying to bring justice. 317 00:18:32,290 --> 00:18:35,590 And so she was, you know, understandably nervous. 318 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,030 - It was really hard. 319 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:40,600 It was difficult to walk into that courtroom 320 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,640 for the first time. 321 00:18:42,730 --> 00:18:44,990 - She didn't feel comfortable being in the same room 322 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:46,650 as Jan Barry Sandlin. 323 00:18:46,780 --> 00:18:49,170 She hadn't seen him since she was probably 10. 324 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:54,780 And finally, her day had arrived. 325 00:18:54,790 --> 00:18:56,920 - Raise your right hand. 326 00:18:57,050 --> 00:19:01,490 - I've seen the horrible things that Jan's done. 327 00:19:01,620 --> 00:19:05,710 I know the things that he did to me. 328 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,280 - Jan was a young man that thought 329 00:19:13,370 --> 00:19:15,110 he could have anything he wanted, 330 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,980 and he drank very heavily. 331 00:19:17,070 --> 00:19:18,900 Then Jan got hostile. 332 00:19:21,860 --> 00:19:23,600 - We would be settled somewhere, 333 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,730 from the time I was a little child, 334 00:19:25,820 --> 00:19:29,170 and he would just show up in the middle of the night, 335 00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:33,210 beat the door down, and beat Kathie up really bad, 336 00:19:33,220 --> 00:19:36,650 and throw us on the street. 337 00:19:36,740 --> 00:19:40,440 We spent lots of times just sleeping on a park bench. 338 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,840 - Kathie described persistent harassment from Jan. 339 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,280 He would track her down at her job, 340 00:19:53,370 --> 00:19:55,460 so she would have to quit her job 341 00:19:55,540 --> 00:19:58,280 and set up an apartment somewhere else. 342 00:19:58,370 --> 00:20:01,770 - ♪ Oh, you can run all you like ♪ 343 00:20:01,850 --> 00:20:03,200 - He was possessive. 344 00:20:03,290 --> 00:20:06,290 Jan Sandlin was not a person that 345 00:20:06,380 --> 00:20:10,910 knew how to treat a woman properly, 346 00:20:10,990 --> 00:20:13,780 no matter how old she was. 347 00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:25,310 - The woman was very battered. 348 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,100 He beat her up so bad. 349 00:20:27,180 --> 00:20:30,970 Just some of the things that-- it's just a horrible thing 350 00:20:30,970 --> 00:20:32,320 for a child to see. 351 00:20:32,410 --> 00:20:34,540 And no one should go through that. 352 00:20:41,410 --> 00:20:45,200 - Just, you know, him beating her beyond recognition 353 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,940 and raping her and beating her again. 354 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,250 It happened in front of me, yes. 355 00:21:00,170 --> 00:21:02,780 - Do you have a brother named Matthew Stephen Golder? 356 00:21:02,780 --> 00:21:03,830 - Yes, I do. 357 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,440 - When was he born? 358 00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:16,230 - I wasn't prepared. 359 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,320 I didn't realize, you know, how much of a witness 360 00:21:19,410 --> 00:21:20,760 I was gonna have to be. 361 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,190 - Have you ever spoken to the defendant in this case 362 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,550 about what happened to your brother? 363 00:21:25,630 --> 00:21:26,590 - Yes, I have. 364 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:27,760 - What was his response? 365 00:21:27,850 --> 00:21:30,160 - Ask your mother. 366 00:21:30,290 --> 00:21:32,990 - You now believe that your mother 367 00:21:33,070 --> 00:21:39,300 withheld information about the death of Matt Golder, correct? 368 00:21:39,390 --> 00:21:40,430 - Yes. 369 00:21:43,740 --> 00:21:46,700 During this whole process before the trial, 370 00:21:46,830 --> 00:21:49,220 I ended up having a conversation with Kathie, 371 00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:51,480 where I recorded the conversation that 372 00:21:51,570 --> 00:21:53,830 was entered into evidence. 373 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,660 And the whole purpose was just to get her to say anything. 374 00:21:56,790 --> 00:22:00,190 I didn't expect she would say anything. 375 00:22:00,190 --> 00:22:01,890 But she did. 376 00:22:02,020 --> 00:22:06,190 She had said to me that it was easier to say 377 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,850 that I was responsible for-- 378 00:22:07,940 --> 00:22:11,420 excuse me-- for Matt's injuries than it 379 00:22:11,550 --> 00:22:15,200 was to say that the man she loved was 380 00:22:15,290 --> 00:22:16,680 and watch him go to jail. 381 00:22:19,030 --> 00:22:21,210 She was backed in a corner. 382 00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:23,950 She said, you just don't understand. 383 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,340 When you're in love with someone that much, 384 00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:27,040 you'll do anything. 385 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,260 We just wanted to start over. 386 00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:29,830 We wanted a new life. 387 00:22:29,910 --> 00:22:31,390 You just don't know what it's like when you'll 388 00:22:31,390 --> 00:22:34,570 do anything for somebody. 389 00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:38,490 - You were astonished that your mother had been content, 390 00:22:38,620 --> 00:22:40,790 as you put it, to let him die in vain 391 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,230 and to let you be offered up as the person 392 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:45,840 responsible for this. 393 00:22:45,930 --> 00:22:47,320 - Yes. 394 00:22:50,540 --> 00:22:54,630 I had also tried calling everybody. 395 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,980 Most people didn't want to talk to me. 396 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,380 But Jan's brother, Butch, he did. 397 00:23:00,510 --> 00:23:03,600 He didn't have a problem talking to me. 398 00:23:03,730 --> 00:23:05,860 And he said he didn't know the details. 399 00:23:08,130 --> 00:23:10,560 But he thought that they were responsible, 400 00:23:10,690 --> 00:23:14,960 and that he felt like they were gonna blame it on me. 401 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:22,180 - He thought that they had planned this. 402 00:23:31,150 --> 00:23:33,150 - Butch showed up at the hospital right 403 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,590 after they arrived at the emergency room with Matthew. 404 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,850 He said, you were sitting on a-- 405 00:23:39,850 --> 00:23:42,510 like a concrete slab where ambulances pull up. 406 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,160 And they were, you know, a football 407 00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:46,430 field away in the parking lot. 408 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,690 And he felt like he walked up on them 409 00:23:49,780 --> 00:23:52,470 getting their story straight, what they were gonna say. 410 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,170 And he grabbed Jan and said, what-- 411 00:23:55,260 --> 00:23:58,740 what the-- have you done? 412 00:23:58,740 --> 00:24:00,830 You know, what have you done? 413 00:24:03,660 --> 00:24:05,790 - Isn't it true that as a mother, 414 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,360 you would do almost anything to protect your children? 415 00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:11,360 Isn't that true? 416 00:24:11,490 --> 00:24:13,150 - Yes. 417 00:24:13,230 --> 00:24:16,110 - Even if it meant shouldering blame upon yourself. 418 00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:17,890 Isn't that true? - Yes. 419 00:24:17,980 --> 00:24:20,810 - You would protect them till your dying day. 420 00:24:20,890 --> 00:24:23,640 - I would-- yes. 421 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,990 That's what you do when you love someone. 422 00:24:29,470 --> 00:24:32,210 - Tracyraquel was not a fact witness, per se. 423 00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:34,300 She certainly didn't have any memory of what 424 00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:35,690 happened to her baby brother. 425 00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:38,430 But Kathie Almon, seemingly knowing 426 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,050 what really had happened, was so important to the prosecution 427 00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:44,000 of this case. 428 00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:46,050 - I want to direct your attention, please, ma'am, 429 00:24:46,050 --> 00:24:48,840 to December 27, 1971. 430 00:24:48,970 --> 00:24:50,310 - OK. 431 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,320 - I want you to tell the members of the jury, 432 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,580 as best you can remember, what it is you did that day. 433 00:24:55,580 --> 00:24:58,450 - I took Tracy to the pediatrician. 434 00:24:58,580 --> 00:25:00,060 - Where else were you gonna go? 435 00:25:00,150 --> 00:25:01,190 - Uh, the laundromat. 436 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,200 I had to wash clothes. 437 00:25:03,330 --> 00:25:04,290 - Where was Matt? 438 00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:06,770 - Matt was at home with Jan. 439 00:25:06,850 --> 00:25:10,120 - As best you could tell as a mom, was he content? 440 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:13,160 - Yes, he laughed out loud for the first time that day. 441 00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:19,780 - Kathie always told the story that she went to do laundry 442 00:25:19,870 --> 00:25:23,430 and took me with her and left this four-month-old 443 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,920 baby with Jan, and that she came 444 00:25:26,050 --> 00:25:27,660 back and found him that way. 445 00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:29,570 - When you got back and you parked 446 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:31,700 in front of the apartment, what did you do? 447 00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:33,180 - I took Tracy in, and I sat her in the chair 448 00:25:33,180 --> 00:25:36,060 in the living room. 449 00:25:36,140 --> 00:25:38,410 And Jan was sitting on the couch. 450 00:25:38,490 --> 00:25:41,020 And I started in to check on Matt. 451 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:44,330 And he jumped up in front of the doorway and said, 452 00:25:44,410 --> 00:25:46,720 Matt is fine, he's asleep. 453 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,680 Just get the clothes out of the car. 454 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:49,900 - What's the next thing that you 455 00:25:50,030 --> 00:25:51,550 did after you got the laundry? 456 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,680 - I walked back up the stairs with it. 457 00:25:53,770 --> 00:25:54,990 - Did you see your daughter, Tracy? 458 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,210 - No. - What did you do? 459 00:25:57,290 --> 00:25:59,120 - Started frantically running around the house 460 00:25:59,210 --> 00:26:00,730 looking for Tracy. 461 00:26:00,730 --> 00:26:03,780 I then found her in Matt's bed. 462 00:26:03,780 --> 00:26:06,870 Matt wasn't in there, and I saw him laying on the floor 463 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,960 next to the chest of drawers. 464 00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:11,130 - Did you try to wake him up? 465 00:26:11,220 --> 00:26:12,400 - Yes. 466 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,400 - Did it work? 467 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,920 - No. 468 00:26:15,010 --> 00:26:17,750 - What, if anything, did Mr. Sandlin do? 469 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,930 - He started to grab Tracy up and spank her. 470 00:26:22,020 --> 00:26:24,450 - Did you talk with Mr. Sandlin about what 471 00:26:24,450 --> 00:26:26,110 happened to Matt that day? 472 00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:27,500 - Yes. 473 00:26:27,630 --> 00:26:28,890 - What did he tell you? 474 00:26:28,980 --> 00:26:30,630 - He told me it was a terrible accident, 475 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,330 and I needed to accept it and get over it. 476 00:26:34,330 --> 00:26:37,250 - Did you care for Mr. Sandlin back in 1971? 477 00:26:37,330 --> 00:26:40,210 - Yes, I did. 478 00:26:40,290 --> 00:26:42,250 - Did you think he had done anything to him? 479 00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:44,120 - No, I didn't. 480 00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:53,660 - I suspect on some level, Kathie always knew 481 00:26:53,740 --> 00:26:56,350 that that story didn't make any sense. 482 00:27:04,140 --> 00:27:07,490 - I feel like it wasn't just Matthew that they made 483 00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,720 this plan to kill that day. 484 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,930 They did the same to me. 485 00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:25,560 - Why she left that day, it wasn't just to go do laundry. 486 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,430 But she also had to take me to the doctor, 487 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,950 because I had fallen down two stories of concrete stairs, 488 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,180 supposedly, and was bleeding from both my ears. 489 00:27:35,260 --> 00:27:39,440 - Jan Barry Sandlin had assaulted his daughter. 490 00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:41,490 - In my opinion, I think their intention 491 00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:43,620 was to get rid of both of us, 492 00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:45,270 just like she said in her comments. 493 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,840 We just wanted to start over. 494 00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:49,800 To me, it's, "You guys were expendable, 495 00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:52,670 so I could be with the man I love." 496 00:28:01,290 --> 00:28:05,470 - You know what, it's horrible, and it's shocking. 497 00:28:05,550 --> 00:28:07,290 But it's exactly who she is. 498 00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:20,660 - Now, Tracy was developmentally advanced. 499 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:22,610 She was walking when she was nine months old, right? 500 00:28:22,610 --> 00:28:24,350 - Right. 501 00:28:24,490 --> 00:28:27,790 - And was a caretaker in a sense, wasn't she, of Matt? 502 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,270 She took care of him. - Oh, yeah. 503 00:28:29,270 --> 00:28:31,620 - And, you know, she-- you called her once 504 00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:32,970 the little mother, didn't you? 505 00:28:33,060 --> 00:28:34,190 - Yes. 506 00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:38,760 - I was always nurturing, I think. 507 00:28:38,890 --> 00:28:42,460 For me, it's not a hard stretch. 508 00:28:42,550 --> 00:28:45,290 I'm taking care of everyone, including children. 509 00:28:45,290 --> 00:28:49,250 And yet, they blamed me for Matthew's death. 510 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,260 - Now she's beginning to read this as the cover story 511 00:28:55,340 --> 00:28:59,740 that her mother engaged in with Jan. 512 00:28:59,830 --> 00:29:01,260 - When you're in a state of shock 513 00:29:01,350 --> 00:29:04,920 and you've just lost your child, 514 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,490 it's somehow emotionally easier to accept 515 00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:14,320 an accident than it would be to accept that he was murdered. 516 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,190 - You never said, "I believe that 517 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,800 Jan Barry Sandlin did this." 518 00:29:18,890 --> 00:29:20,280 You didn't-- - I think I may have. 519 00:29:20,410 --> 00:29:21,720 - OK, who to? 520 00:29:21,850 --> 00:29:24,370 - I don't recall. 521 00:29:24,460 --> 00:29:28,940 I've had doubts, but I didn't really know what happened. 522 00:29:29,070 --> 00:29:31,250 - Kathie was wigged out. 523 00:29:31,330 --> 00:29:35,990 She didn't know whether the jurors would believe her. 524 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,950 - When we saw the medical reports, 525 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,870 there's no way Tracy could have done that to him. 526 00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:43,910 And the only person there was Jan. 527 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,910 And he tricked me by making me go 528 00:29:45,910 --> 00:29:48,090 downstairs and get the clothes so he 529 00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:49,400 could put Tracy in the bed. 530 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,920 I am sure of it. 531 00:29:51,010 --> 00:29:55,010 - OK, then why, in 1985, didn't you say that? 532 00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:58,140 - I wasn't sure of it in '85. 533 00:29:58,140 --> 00:30:01,190 - Corinne was going to do her best to point out 534 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,110 the inconsistencies in previous statements Kathie had made 535 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,900 and suggest to the jury that she wasn't worthy of belief. 536 00:30:09,980 --> 00:30:12,330 - Your mother told your daughter 537 00:30:12,420 --> 00:30:16,160 that she threw her baby brother out of the bed. 538 00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:19,770 You told her therapist that she stepped on the baby's 539 00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:21,650 skull, Ms. Almon, right? 540 00:30:21,730 --> 00:30:23,080 - I don't recall that. 541 00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:24,260 - You're sort of damned if you do, and you're damned 542 00:30:24,340 --> 00:30:26,220 if you don't. 543 00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:29,130 If Kathie had said the exact same thing every single time, 544 00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:30,520 Corinne's defense would be, she's a parrot. 545 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,220 She's a wind-up toy. 546 00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:34,570 - It's hard to remember every single conversation 547 00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:36,400 over the last 25 years. 548 00:30:36,490 --> 00:30:38,230 - If she said something a little different, ah-ah, 549 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,970 she didn't get it right this time. 550 00:30:41,060 --> 00:30:43,150 She can't be believed. She's not consistent. 551 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,150 - Did you ever have any second thoughts about, 552 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,580 why did I have this child in the first place? 553 00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:47,800 - Oh, never. 554 00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:49,980 My children were everything to me. 555 00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:51,240 - Did you ever have a conversation 556 00:30:51,370 --> 00:30:53,680 with Mr. Sandlin about children? 557 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,290 - Yes. - What did he tell you? 558 00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:56,720 - He didn't want any children. 559 00:30:58,330 --> 00:31:00,640 I want the truth to come out. 560 00:31:00,730 --> 00:31:03,860 I want to know what happened to my son. 561 00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:08,650 - I think that Kathie was not there, 562 00:31:08,740 --> 00:31:11,870 but I feel like she was involved. 563 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,530 In my opinion, Kathie and Jan did this together. 564 00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:17,310 Like, this is crazy. 565 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,400 - For 15 years, she's carried the burden 566 00:31:22,490 --> 00:31:25,580 that she was responsible for that child's death. 567 00:31:25,670 --> 00:31:28,970 That is a big weight for a child, right? 568 00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:32,110 - Kathie was quite emotional. 569 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,810 You know, she was framed as the person 570 00:31:35,890 --> 00:31:37,330 who helped cover things up. 571 00:31:37,460 --> 00:31:41,640 She was the enabler of much of Jan's behavior, 572 00:31:41,770 --> 00:31:45,080 and the keeper of secrets. 573 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,950 - So in general, Corinne was trying 574 00:31:47,950 --> 00:31:49,690 to raise doubt to demonstrate 575 00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:52,300 the kind of person Kathie was. 576 00:31:52,390 --> 00:31:56,570 - The tombstone that was on the grave at the time 577 00:31:56,700 --> 00:32:00,700 of the exhumation says "Mother's Little Angel," 578 00:32:00,790 --> 00:32:02,180 "Rest in peace now." 579 00:32:02,270 --> 00:32:03,570 - Yes. 580 00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:04,880 - That's not the original stone, is it? 581 00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:06,580 - No. 582 00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:12,760 - For 26 years, the tombstone said "Great grandson of--" 583 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,460 - Right. - "--of Mr. Alman." 584 00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:17,200 - Right. - Right? 585 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,500 But you felt the need, two days before the body was exhumed, 586 00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:25,250 two days before that whole group of people 587 00:32:25,380 --> 00:32:29,030 ended up at that tomb, to change the tombstone. 588 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,560 - Well, I wanted it there for the reburial. 589 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,600 - You wanted it there for the exhumation. 590 00:32:34,740 --> 00:32:36,780 - I wanted it there for the reburial. 591 00:32:36,910 --> 00:32:38,260 - To show everyone, right? 592 00:32:38,350 --> 00:32:40,440 - No. 593 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,660 - Kathie experienced a lot of trauma in her life. 594 00:32:44,750 --> 00:32:47,570 I don't presume for a minute to put myself 595 00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:49,360 in Kathie Almon's shoes, knowing the abuse 596 00:32:49,450 --> 00:32:51,010 she had been through. 597 00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:53,230 I don't hold Kathie responsible 598 00:32:53,230 --> 00:32:54,840 for Matthew's death, but could she 599 00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:56,800 have done a whole lot more for her daughter? 600 00:32:56,890 --> 00:32:58,410 Yeah. 601 00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:07,030 Tracyraquel was finished with her testimony, 602 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,770 but she was not released for her subpoena. 603 00:33:09,860 --> 00:33:12,560 But I knew that she had young children at home. 604 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,950 So Judge Fuller granted her permission 605 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,170 to go back to Savannah, because it was 606 00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:19,740 unlikely that she was going to have to testify again. 607 00:33:19,820 --> 00:33:24,130 And the defense attorney would have agreed to that as well. 608 00:33:24,220 --> 00:33:26,480 - The judge had said, no one is supposed 609 00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:32,310 to watch any of the trial. 610 00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:34,530 You're a witness, so sequester yourself. 611 00:33:34,660 --> 00:33:37,670 OK. 612 00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:42,760 The rule of sequestration says that if you are someone who is 613 00:33:42,850 --> 00:33:46,420 on a witness list, you cannot watch any 614 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:48,420 of the coverage of the case during the time 615 00:33:48,550 --> 00:33:49,770 you're under subpoena. 616 00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:51,990 - Because this could potentially 617 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,470 affect their testimony. 618 00:33:54,550 --> 00:33:57,640 Made sense. 619 00:33:57,730 --> 00:33:59,860 - There were family in the house, and people were in. 620 00:33:59,990 --> 00:34:03,870 And the court was on in another room in the den in the house. 621 00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:07,830 And I walked from the laundry room back into the other room, 622 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,010 and I caught a glimpse of Kathie on the television. 623 00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:13,400 And that was it. 624 00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:20,930 - I would call Tracy at the end of each court day just 625 00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:21,970 to let her know what happened. 626 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:23,580 I called her that night. 627 00:34:23,670 --> 00:34:24,930 I remember I was standing in my kitchen. 628 00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:26,590 - And Lee Anne had mentioned, your mom did 629 00:34:26,670 --> 00:34:28,630 great, to which Tracy says-- 630 00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:32,720 - Yeah, I walked by and saw Kathie, and she was testifying. 631 00:34:32,850 --> 00:34:37,070 - Not, "Yeah, I sat there, and I had it on record." 632 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,380 Yeah, I overheard that as I was walking through. 633 00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:42,600 And so when she told that to Lee Anne-- 634 00:34:42,690 --> 00:34:44,120 - My heart sunk. 635 00:34:44,130 --> 00:34:45,650 That was going to be a problem. 636 00:34:56,570 --> 00:35:01,660 - I remember Jeff and I talking with J Tom, our boss. 637 00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:03,620 - She let us know. 638 00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:05,410 And it was our duty to let the judge know because it was 639 00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:08,850 a technical violation of the rule of sequestration, 640 00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:11,020 that she could not watch any of the trial. 641 00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:12,410 - That was the rule. 642 00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:16,160 Everyone understood it, we thought. 643 00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:18,900 - And I remember the next morning, 644 00:35:18,990 --> 00:35:21,510 we went into the judge's chambers and talked about it. 645 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,290 - Then they called back an hour later and said, 646 00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:24,560 OK, we need you in court. 647 00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:31,560 I arrived, walked into the courtroom, and no jury, 648 00:35:31,650 --> 00:35:33,870 nobody in the court, just the judge, the prosecutors, 649 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,390 the defense, and Jan. 650 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,610 Then the judge asked me if I had seen 651 00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:39,140 anything on the television. 652 00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:42,440 I heard various parts of the Court TV, 653 00:35:42,530 --> 00:35:44,750 what was on Court TV of my mother's testimony. 654 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,360 - When someone breaks a rule, but it doesn't really 655 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,760 have an effect on the outcome of the trial, 656 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,720 that can be harmless. 657 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,590 - She had been excused, and no one was going to call her back. 658 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,760 Defense could have said, we withhold 659 00:35:57,850 --> 00:35:59,680 the right to call her at a future date, but they didn't. 660 00:35:59,810 --> 00:36:01,810 They excused her. 661 00:36:01,810 --> 00:36:04,900 - I have spent my entire life waiting to hear this testimony. 662 00:36:04,990 --> 00:36:08,300 I would have preferred to have heard every word of it. 663 00:36:08,380 --> 00:36:12,740 But I don't think that I have done anything wrong to affect 664 00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:14,260 this man's rights. 665 00:36:14,350 --> 00:36:16,570 He has more rights than I have. 666 00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:20,220 - You're not going to be sent away for life in prison. 667 00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:23,620 - Well, I have spent a life in a prison. 668 00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:26,660 You may not agree with that, but I have, to some degree. 669 00:36:30,580 --> 00:36:33,190 - This extraordinary case, brought over 25 years 670 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,280 after the death of Matthew Golder, 671 00:36:35,370 --> 00:36:39,280 has drawn extensive media coverage. 672 00:36:39,370 --> 00:36:41,590 And with that attention has come 673 00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:43,850 problems in trial management. 674 00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:46,900 There has been an egregious violation of the witness 675 00:36:46,990 --> 00:36:49,860 sequestration rule, which, in the context of this case, 676 00:36:49,950 --> 00:36:52,080 is irreparable. 677 00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:55,040 I cannot fix it. 678 00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:57,690 The ability to present the best available defense 679 00:36:57,780 --> 00:37:02,310 has been destroyed, at least for now, perhaps forever. 680 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,010 The defendant's motion for mistrial is granted. 681 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,140 - I was furious. 682 00:37:13,230 --> 00:37:16,280 It was a mistrial over testimony 683 00:37:16,410 --> 00:37:18,540 that had no real basis as to guilt 684 00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:20,020 or innocence of the defendant. 685 00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:21,800 - I think I was just in shock. 686 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,550 Like, first of all, I didn't see it coming. 687 00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:25,110 I felt set up. 688 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,030 And of course, there's all of these things. 689 00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:30,070 It's humiliation, it's anger. 690 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,770 It's, what just happened? 691 00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:35,380 Like, I didn't do anything. 692 00:37:35,380 --> 00:37:38,260 It just-- it just really floored me. 693 00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:47,090 - The mistrial can be declared in a couple of ways-- 694 00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:51,140 one that would allow for a retrial and one that would not. 695 00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:55,530 And that's up to the judge to determine. 696 00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:58,280 And of course, if there was no retrial allowed, 697 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,450 then Jan Sandlin would never be held to account 698 00:38:02,450 --> 00:38:03,720 for Matthew's murder. 699 00:38:20,910 --> 00:38:25,040 - The very next evening, I got a call from Jan 700 00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:28,130 while he was in the county jail in DeKalb County 701 00:38:28,220 --> 00:38:30,350 on transfer for the trial. 702 00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:34,140 I don't know how he got my phone number, 703 00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:36,660 but he called laughing. 704 00:38:39,450 --> 00:38:44,760 He threatened to set me on fire and watch me burn to death. 705 00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:50,890 There were a couple of other phone calls. 706 00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:55,200 And then the last phone call was a talk show was playing, 707 00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:56,550 and that's all you could hear. 708 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,380 And it was describing a lawn mower that had 709 00:39:00,510 --> 00:39:03,340 run over this little girl's legs. 710 00:39:03,340 --> 00:39:07,560 And that was the first indirect threat to my children. 711 00:39:15,610 --> 00:39:17,570 - Ultimately, Judge Fuller did decide 712 00:39:17,570 --> 00:39:19,230 that if we wanted to retry the case, 713 00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:20,580 that we could do so. 714 00:39:20,660 --> 00:39:22,620 - Because there's no prosecutorial misconduct 715 00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:25,580 or intent on the part of the prosecution or the witnesses, 716 00:39:25,710 --> 00:39:27,540 the judge had to let us do it again. 717 00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:30,760 - Before we got to that, the decision had to be, are we-- 718 00:39:30,850 --> 00:39:33,680 is the DA's office going to try it again? 719 00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:38,160 - I came into work to a voicemail message from Tracy-- 720 00:39:38,290 --> 00:39:40,030 and I remember it being long-- 721 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,380 saying, please don't give up. 722 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,990 - After going in and talking about it with J Tom 723 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,000 and looking at each other and realizing, you know, 724 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,740 this doesn't change what happened. 725 00:39:52,830 --> 00:39:55,610 It doesn't change the law, it doesn't change the facts. 726 00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:57,700 And as I told Lee Anne, you know what? 727 00:39:57,790 --> 00:39:59,350 Last time I checked, there's no such thing 728 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,880 as the one free murder rule in Georgia. 729 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,140 Let's crank it up. 730 00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:05,450 Game on. 731 00:40:05,530 --> 00:40:07,970 - After the mistrial, a real quick turnaround, 732 00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:11,280 they went back to trial again. 733 00:40:11,410 --> 00:40:13,720 - We were super charged up. 734 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,800 This guy killed a four-month-old. 735 00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:17,240 Let's go. 736 00:40:20,590 --> 00:40:22,510 - The atmosphere in the second trial 737 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,550 was probably even more amped up than the first. 738 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,730 You had all the same ingredients and the players 739 00:40:28,820 --> 00:40:31,780 of the first trial, but now you had this feeling as everything 740 00:40:31,860 --> 00:40:34,690 hangs on a knife edge, and a judge who's 741 00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:39,920 a little testy and watching the proceedings 742 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,830 like a hawk to make sure things go better this time. 743 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,880 - We didn't really change the theory of the case at all. 744 00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:53,230 A two-year-old didn't throw this child from a crib. 745 00:40:53,230 --> 00:40:58,850 He was intentionally and forcibly assaulted. 746 00:40:58,930 --> 00:41:01,810 - Compared to the first trial, Jeff and I had a comfort 747 00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:03,810 level with the evidence. 748 00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:06,810 And particularly, I remember Dr. Burton 749 00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:08,680 being so critically important. 750 00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:10,690 Do you have an opinion, Dr. Burton, 751 00:41:10,770 --> 00:41:13,340 whether these injuries could have been inflicted by 752 00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:15,910 a two-year-old child throwing the baby out of a crib? 753 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,430 - Joe Burton was recognized throughout the country 754 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,520 as an expert on crimes against children, particularly child 755 00:41:22,610 --> 00:41:24,000 abuse and child homicides. 756 00:41:24,090 --> 00:41:27,220 - This child, Matthew, was 4-plus months old 757 00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:29,400 at the time of its death, probably weighed 758 00:41:29,490 --> 00:41:31,360 at a minimum of 10 pounds. 759 00:41:31,450 --> 00:41:34,320 And it isn't like a 10-pound weight that a two-year-old 760 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,280 would have to pick up. 761 00:41:35,410 --> 00:41:37,840 It's a squirming 10-pound weight. 762 00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:41,240 And so to throw it out and cause injuries like this 763 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,330 would be virtually impossible. 764 00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:47,810 - We had Dr. Burton, in his testimony, 765 00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:50,640 talking about how it was possible 766 00:41:50,730 --> 00:41:54,080 that he could have been killed by someone 767 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,470 smashing the hand down. 768 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,560 - If I have Matthew's head on a non-giving surface, 769 00:41:59,690 --> 00:42:02,780 and I were to strike Matthew on the side of the head, 770 00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:05,260 I could break both sides of Matthew's skull, 771 00:42:05,350 --> 00:42:08,920 causing a death in this case. 772 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,960 - The defense was going to have a tough time 773 00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:14,360 combating with Dr. Burton and fighting the medical evidence. 774 00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:16,750 - I've never seen complex fractures 775 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,580 bilateral in a child or an infant 776 00:42:19,710 --> 00:42:22,190 outside an automobile wreck or a fall 777 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,150 from significant heights, otherwise. 778 00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:31,510 - Tracy's grandmother, Anne, testified to something that 779 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,510 the law calls a "similar transaction," 780 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,860 which is evidence that is allowed to be admitted 781 00:42:36,990 --> 00:42:41,650 because it demonstrates a prior similar event, 782 00:42:41,780 --> 00:42:46,220 which may be relevant to a jury's consideration. 783 00:42:46,350 --> 00:42:50,130 - Jan was left alone with Matt. 784 00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:53,010 - We went in, and Matt was screaming. 785 00:42:53,090 --> 00:42:56,660 And, uh, Kathie said, what's wrong with the baby? 786 00:42:56,790 --> 00:43:00,530 And he said oh, I was playing with him here on the table. 787 00:43:00,620 --> 00:43:02,580 And he picked up the pepper shaker, 788 00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:05,320 and I guess he got it in his eyes. 789 00:43:05,410 --> 00:43:08,240 - And so she testified to Matthew 790 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,330 having pepper in his eye that Jan Sandlin 791 00:43:11,330 --> 00:43:13,240 would have put there, 792 00:43:13,330 --> 00:43:15,900 which is certainly an act of abuse. 793 00:43:15,980 --> 00:43:19,730 - Again, left alone, doing atrocious things 794 00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:21,990 to a helpless four-month-old. 795 00:43:26,260 --> 00:43:30,300 - We were confident, but it was a retrial of a case. 796 00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:35,180 And so I knew that the benefits accrue to all of the parties. 797 00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:40,140 - In order to even begin to think that Mr. Sandlin is 798 00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:43,360 guilty, you have to be able to trust and believe 799 00:43:43,450 --> 00:43:45,750 and rely on Kathie Almon. 800 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,320 And I submit to you, you will not be able to do that. 801 00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:52,980 - Corinne had a finite number of defenses. 802 00:43:53,070 --> 00:43:55,680 One is reasonable doubt. 803 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,680 That's the go-to. 804 00:43:57,810 --> 00:44:01,290 - Ms. Kathie Almon has told a multitude of different stories 805 00:44:01,420 --> 00:44:03,950 as to what has happened in this case. 806 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,600 - And so Kathie's testimony became much more important. 807 00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:12,000 - In 1985, you didn't say to anybody, 808 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,480 "I know Jan Sandlin did this." 809 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:15,780 - Probably not. 810 00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:19,090 - You thought that it was possible 811 00:44:19,220 --> 00:44:23,400 that Tracy had stepped on Matthew's 812 00:44:23,490 --> 00:44:26,710 head with her heavy baby shoes, right? 813 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,490 - I was trying to make some kind 814 00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:33,060 of a sense out of something that didn't make sense. 815 00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:36,460 - But then it was very clear, wasn't it, 816 00:44:36,540 --> 00:44:40,070 that those were the lightest and softest baby shoes 817 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,460 around, wasn't it, Ms. Almon? 818 00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:46,250 - I thought they were pretty clunkers back then. 819 00:44:46,340 --> 00:44:49,210 - Isn't it true, Ms. Almon, you told your daughter 820 00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:51,990 that the child died from crib death, 821 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,340 SIDS? 822 00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:55,210 Didn't you? 823 00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:57,870 You've told your daughter he hit his head against the bed. 824 00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,440 Isn't that one of the stories you told her? 825 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,000 - I told her he may have, or the chest of drawers. 826 00:45:03,090 --> 00:45:05,920 - You also told them your daughter threw the baby out 827 00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:07,180 of the bed, correct? 828 00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:08,710 - Probably so. 829 00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:11,620 - Well, probably, Ms. Almon, or yes? 830 00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:17,020 - Well, it's hard to remember 25 years' worth of hell. 831 00:45:17,110 --> 00:45:20,540 - Kathie was kind of damaged over the years, 832 00:45:20,540 --> 00:45:23,720 and Corrine was very effective at finding weaknesses. 833 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:28,680 And she had a perfect victim to go after. 834 00:45:42,570 --> 00:45:46,050 - Ms. Almon, isn't it, in fact, true 835 00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:49,570 that you wrote Mr. Sandlin in 1988 836 00:45:49,570 --> 00:45:52,840 and expressed frustration 837 00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:55,880 about your son, Jason, bothering you? 838 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,190 - Yes. - OK. 839 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,850 And did you ever tell him, he's bothering me. 840 00:46:00,930 --> 00:46:02,280 I'm going to beat him with a baseball bat? 841 00:46:02,410 --> 00:46:04,150 - I don't recall that. 842 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,980 - OK, let me show you something and see if that 843 00:46:07,110 --> 00:46:09,940 refreshes your recollection. 844 00:46:10,070 --> 00:46:11,120 - Ha-ha. 845 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,600 Yes, I did say it in a joking way. 846 00:46:22,170 --> 00:46:24,390 - And then the second part of the defense 847 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,910 was none too subtle. 848 00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:29,000 - You've caused your child some harm. 849 00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:31,660 Isn't that why you've always tried 850 00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:33,180 to shift the blame onto Tracy? 851 00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:34,620 - No. 852 00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:36,920 - It was, one person did it. 853 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,060 It was Kathie Almon. 854 00:46:38,140 --> 00:46:39,580 It was game on. 855 00:46:39,580 --> 00:46:44,540 - 1997, still trying to blame Tracy. 856 00:46:44,670 --> 00:46:46,370 What makes sense? 857 00:46:46,460 --> 00:46:48,460 She knows what happened. 858 00:46:48,590 --> 00:46:52,370 She's the only one that knows what happened. 859 00:46:52,460 --> 00:46:56,860 Ms. Almon is responsible for the death of the child. 860 00:47:08,170 --> 00:47:09,960 - We knew what the facts were. 861 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,000 We knew what the medical evidence was. 862 00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:15,350 But were we able to convince the jury? 863 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,270 - We, the jury, find the defendant-- 864 00:47:19,230 --> 00:47:21,100 - My stomach dropped. 865 00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:24,100 - I just thought, this is never gonna end. 866 00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:25,490 They weren't a mother and a father. 867 00:47:25,580 --> 00:47:28,630 They were monsters. 868 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,720 - What's done is done and can't be undone. 67012

Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.