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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,590 --> 00:00:07,590 https://torrentgalaxy.to/profile/HashMiner So here is reception, a customer comes from the street. 2 00:00:07,690 --> 00:00:09,930 Here you have the room number two, 3 00:00:10,030 --> 00:00:11,520 the little one. 4 00:00:11,620 --> 00:00:13,860 So here is Sophia, 5 00:00:13,970 --> 00:00:19,070 the biggest doll, the taller, big breasts, big booty. 6 00:00:19,170 --> 00:00:23,480 So this room is bigger because it's for a couple, 7 00:00:23,590 --> 00:00:27,000 so people come more in this space, 8 00:00:27,100 --> 00:00:30,410 so here you have two dolls, this is skinny dolls. 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,620 We also provide the VR system, virtual reality porn movie. 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,170 The concept is, you see something 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:39,970 and you feel something, 12 00:00:40,070 --> 00:00:43,100 so you are in another world, 13 00:00:43,210 --> 00:00:46,790 but you have a real physical sensation with the dolls. 14 00:00:46,900 --> 00:00:49,760 It just the beginning, but I think in the future 15 00:00:49,860 --> 00:00:53,790 we'll have some headset like this connected with the dolls, 16 00:00:53,900 --> 00:00:56,210 so it's just the beginning. 17 00:01:01,100 --> 00:01:04,100 [quirky music] 18 00:01:08,410 --> 00:01:11,760 Narrator: The porn revolution is moving fast. 19 00:01:14,620 --> 00:01:16,720 In Britain, we've become so worried, 20 00:01:16,830 --> 00:01:19,280 there are now plans to block under-18s 21 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:21,000 from watching online porn. 22 00:01:21,550 --> 00:01:22,660 - Yes. 23 00:01:23,900 --> 00:01:25,550 Yes, I know you're cumming, you're cumming, 24 00:01:25,660 --> 00:01:27,520 you're cumming. 25 00:01:27,620 --> 00:01:29,070 Narrator: Since this programme started, 26 00:01:29,170 --> 00:01:32,170 another 100,000 of us have begun searching 27 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,550 on the world's biggest internet porn site, Pornhub. 28 00:01:36,660 --> 00:01:39,550 Producer: How often would you use porn now? 29 00:01:39,660 --> 00:01:41,210 Sometimes two times a day, 30 00:01:41,310 --> 00:01:45,000 up to maybe, easily probably a minimum five times a week. 31 00:01:45,100 --> 00:01:47,830 - It's hard to like get into bed with your phone in your hand 32 00:01:47,930 --> 00:01:50,240 - and not then look at porn. - Yeah. 33 00:01:50,340 --> 00:01:54,480 Narrator: Pornhub alone receives 92 million visitors a day - 34 00:01:54,590 --> 00:01:56,310 that's like the combined population 35 00:01:56,410 --> 00:01:58,100 of Spain and Uganda logging on. 36 00:01:58,210 --> 00:02:00,030 - "Big Tit, Anal MILFs". 37 00:02:00,140 --> 00:02:02,970 Narrator: It's an industry worth billions. 38 00:02:03,070 --> 00:02:06,030 Our growth was phenomenal. 39 00:02:06,140 --> 00:02:09,340 We were at the time, growing 10 times faster 40 00:02:09,450 --> 00:02:13,970 than Facebook, and that was all through word of mouth. 41 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:16,480 Narrator: The genie is out of the bottle. 42 00:02:16,590 --> 00:02:19,410 - The internet was made for porn. 43 00:02:20,590 --> 00:02:23,830 We brought porn to the masses. 44 00:02:23,930 --> 00:02:25,620 There's more porn flooding the Earth 45 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,280 than ever before in the history of mankind. 46 00:02:28,380 --> 00:02:31,100 Narrator: We'll explain how far porn has come, 47 00:02:31,210 --> 00:02:33,070 where it's taking us... 48 00:02:33,170 --> 00:02:35,860 ..and how some are trying to hold back the tide. 49 00:02:35,970 --> 00:02:38,590 - If you only learn about sex from porn, 50 00:02:38,690 --> 00:02:41,690 porn teaches you that sex is a performance. 51 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:44,970 - When you think of porn 52 00:02:45,070 --> 00:02:46,720 and you think about a film that you've watched, 53 00:02:46,830 --> 00:02:49,000 what's actually happening? What are they saying to each other? 54 00:02:49,100 --> 00:02:50,620 Do you think that some of those categories 55 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,520 are even appropriate for you guys, 56 00:02:52,620 --> 00:02:53,590 - like... - No. 57 00:02:53,690 --> 00:02:55,480 Narrator: We'll also try to understand 58 00:02:55,590 --> 00:02:58,480 if porn is beginning to change you... 59 00:02:58,590 --> 00:03:00,760 ..because whether you want to admit it or not, 60 00:03:00,860 --> 00:03:03,140 you are the people watching it. 61 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,100 Have fun, rolling and action. 62 00:03:14,690 --> 00:03:17,930 - Hello miss, how are you doing? - Good. 63 00:03:18,030 --> 00:03:19,860 - And how old are you? - I'm 23. 64 00:03:19,970 --> 00:03:21,100 - 23. 65 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:23,760 Narrator: Across the world, 66 00:03:23,860 --> 00:03:26,240 there's a growing appetite for porn 67 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:28,170 that requires constant feeding. 68 00:03:29,830 --> 00:03:33,900 And today, all you need is a smart phone or a cheap camera 69 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,860 to become a pornographer. 70 00:03:51,070 --> 00:03:54,380 - If I didn't think that I could make... 71 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,690 ..$50,000 to $60,000 a month, 72 00:03:56,790 --> 00:03:59,140 if I didn't think I could do that, 73 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,550 I wouldn't be doing this. 74 00:04:01,660 --> 00:04:04,970 I basically find really, really, really beautiful girls 75 00:04:05,070 --> 00:04:08,790 and have sex with them on camera, make videos with them. 76 00:04:10,380 --> 00:04:13,550 Narrator: Jason used to be a landscape gardener... 77 00:04:13,660 --> 00:04:16,240 ..but now he's part of the porn gold rush, 78 00:04:16,340 --> 00:04:18,620 where amateur producers are cashing in 79 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,140 outside of the mainstream industry. 80 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,450 When the internet first came out 81 00:04:22,550 --> 00:04:24,590 and people first started doing what I'm doing, 82 00:04:24,690 --> 00:04:27,310 you had to build your own website... 83 00:04:29,140 --> 00:04:32,210 ..whereas now you don't have any of those costs and hurdles. 84 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:33,480 There's plenty of different sites 85 00:04:33,590 --> 00:04:36,140 that you can put your stuff up, where you can sell it per clip. 86 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,660 Narrator: He travels all over America seeking out young women 87 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,860 who are willing to be filmed having sex with him. 88 00:04:47,860 --> 00:04:50,720 [GPS voice speaking faintly] 89 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:53,930 - I prefer to get girls that, 90 00:04:54,030 --> 00:04:56,760 where it's not even a career for them... 91 00:04:56,860 --> 00:05:00,000 ..or, or where it is early in their career. 92 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:01,210 The realer, the better. 93 00:05:03,140 --> 00:05:04,720 Narrator: His most popular videos 94 00:05:04,830 --> 00:05:08,140 are those featuring brand new performers. 95 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,140 Viewers will never have seen them doing porn before. 96 00:05:12,660 --> 00:05:14,520 - So this one here in the corner is like, 97 00:05:14,620 --> 00:05:17,030 for if the girl's on top, 98 00:05:17,140 --> 00:05:19,860 right, so if she's on top like here, facing this way, 99 00:05:19,970 --> 00:05:23,380 this camera will pick that up. 100 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,550 and I have a handheld one that I always keep on the bed, 101 00:05:27,660 --> 00:05:29,240 so that's where kind of this one falls in 102 00:05:29,340 --> 00:05:30,520 and captures that angle. 103 00:05:30,620 --> 00:05:33,790 And then this one here, 104 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:36,140 it needs to go up like as high as possible... 105 00:05:37,410 --> 00:05:40,410 ..and it basically captures, like, looking down. 106 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,070 And this one is just front facing, very simple, 107 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:44,480 and there's one more cam - 108 00:05:44,590 --> 00:05:48,280 this is good for when a girl is getting eaten out. 109 00:05:52,550 --> 00:05:54,900 Narrator: In three years, Jason's uploaded 110 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,480 more than 100 videos to a website 111 00:05:57,590 --> 00:06:00,100 that allows anyone to sell homemade porn 112 00:06:00,210 --> 00:06:02,660 direct to online customers. 113 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,860 Jason: Have you ever done a video like this before? 114 00:06:04,970 --> 00:06:06,210 Girl: No. 115 00:06:06,310 --> 00:06:07,690 Jason: Can you take that off? 116 00:06:11,620 --> 00:06:14,720 [girl moaning] 117 00:06:14,830 --> 00:06:17,860 I create a product that a lot of people enjoy. 118 00:06:17,970 --> 00:06:19,520 It's a fantasy thing. 119 00:06:19,620 --> 00:06:24,790 Men generally are interested in having sex with beautiful women. 120 00:06:26,620 --> 00:06:29,790 Men just think that way, that's how the world fucking is. 121 00:06:29,900 --> 00:06:33,660 They vicariously can live through me, in a way... 122 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,480 ..so if you're creating a product 123 00:06:35,590 --> 00:06:38,340 that someone gets enjoyment out of, it creates value. 124 00:06:38,450 --> 00:06:40,280 That's why they pay for this stuff. 125 00:06:42,170 --> 00:06:44,590 Narrator: Jason's first time porn brand 126 00:06:44,690 --> 00:06:47,380 has brought him a loyal following. 127 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,450 So much so, that in a world where adult content 128 00:06:50,550 --> 00:06:52,340 is generally free... 129 00:06:52,450 --> 00:06:55,210 ..his fans are still prepared to pay for it. 130 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,550 [indistinct voices on video] 131 00:06:57,660 --> 00:06:59,660 - I'm making a lot of money right now, 132 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,340 but it's not enough. 133 00:07:02,450 --> 00:07:03,760 I need 'fuck you money'. 134 00:07:07,310 --> 00:07:09,970 Narrator: Jason's cagey about how much he's actually earning. 135 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:13,450 But what we do know 136 00:07:13,550 --> 00:07:17,240 is there are thousands of DIY pornographers like him, 137 00:07:17,340 --> 00:07:20,720 trying to make money out of porn's online explosion. 138 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,590 - Hardcore porn is more freely and widely available 139 00:07:25,690 --> 00:07:27,140 on the internet than ever before. 140 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,760 There is an entire generation growing up, 141 00:07:29,860 --> 00:07:33,100 that believes that what you see in hardcore pornography 142 00:07:33,210 --> 00:07:34,970 is the way that you have sex. 143 00:07:37,410 --> 00:07:39,590 Narrator: This is Cindy Gallop. 144 00:07:39,690 --> 00:07:44,030 Her 2009 TED Talk warned of the worrying cultural effect porn 145 00:07:44,140 --> 00:07:45,590 is now having on young people. 146 00:07:46,860 --> 00:07:48,380 It went viral. 147 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,410 I date younger men, 148 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,970 predominantly men in their 20s. 149 00:07:53,070 --> 00:07:54,930 and when I date younger men, 150 00:07:55,030 --> 00:07:57,340 I have sex with younger men. 151 00:07:57,450 --> 00:07:59,280 And when I have sex with younger men, 152 00:07:59,380 --> 00:08:02,620 I encounter very directly and personally, 153 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,970 the real ramifications of the creeping ubiquity 154 00:08:06,070 --> 00:08:09,280 of hardcore pornography in our culture. 155 00:08:09,380 --> 00:08:15,100 I have no problem responding as I have regularly had to, 156 00:08:15,210 --> 00:08:16,660 "Actually no, thank you very much, 157 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,720 "I'd much rather you did not cum on my face." 158 00:08:19,830 --> 00:08:22,070 Narrator: In the 10 years since Cindy gave her talk, 159 00:08:22,170 --> 00:08:25,030 porn use has rocketed. 160 00:08:25,140 --> 00:08:29,790 By 2012, YouPorn, just one porn site amongst hundreds, 161 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:33,280 received more internet traffic every second 162 00:08:33,380 --> 00:08:37,970 than the average UK household would generate in six months. 163 00:08:38,070 --> 00:08:42,140 But there's been a revolution in the way people view porn too. 164 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,900 Smartphones mean we can access porn on the go, 165 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,590 so now we're watching it in public. 166 00:08:48,690 --> 00:08:50,970 Last year, coffee chain Starbucks, 167 00:08:51,070 --> 00:08:54,970 decided it would have to block porn from its Wi-Fi... 168 00:08:55,070 --> 00:08:57,240 ..and it seems everyone's been at it. 169 00:08:57,340 --> 00:08:59,100 The internet network in Parliament 170 00:08:59,210 --> 00:09:03,240 recently recorded 160 requests a day to watch porn. 171 00:09:04,660 --> 00:09:07,480 But it's the generation that's grown up with porn 172 00:09:07,590 --> 00:09:09,660 at its fingertips that use it most. 173 00:09:10,790 --> 00:09:13,100 18 to 34-year-olds make up 174 00:09:13,210 --> 00:09:15,860 nearly two-thirds of Pornhub's visitors. 175 00:09:19,030 --> 00:09:21,210 But what the stats don't tell us 176 00:09:21,310 --> 00:09:24,340 is how many people under 18 are looking at porn. 177 00:09:27,310 --> 00:09:28,970 Producer: Have you talked about this before? 178 00:09:29,930 --> 00:09:31,520 I've never talked about it before. 179 00:09:32,660 --> 00:09:34,030 So this will be my first time. 180 00:09:34,140 --> 00:09:36,450 Sometimes it's left up to people such as myself 181 00:09:36,550 --> 00:09:39,900 to try and bite the bullet and tackle issues like that. 182 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,410 It is a difficult topic, but we shall see. 183 00:09:49,930 --> 00:09:52,340 So we are talking about porn today, guys. 184 00:09:52,450 --> 00:09:55,590 So, when you do see this big bright word saying 'porn', 185 00:09:55,690 --> 00:09:57,620 what's your initial thought that come to your mind? 186 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,620 - Sexual intercourse. - Sexual intercourse, sex, 187 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,210 - Sex. - Sex. 188 00:10:01,310 --> 00:10:04,000 - A traumatising experience. - A traumatising experience. 189 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:05,410 [shuddering] 190 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,000 - It makes you shudder and cringe. 191 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:09,690 - The first thing that comes into my head, yeah, 192 00:10:09,790 --> 00:10:11,520 when I saw that was a fake taxi, I don't know why. 193 00:10:11,620 --> 00:10:12,550 - A fake taxi. 194 00:10:12,660 --> 00:10:14,210 - Or step mum and her son. 195 00:10:14,310 --> 00:10:15,380 [all laughing] 196 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,450 - Yeah, or step brother, step brother and step sister. 197 00:10:17,550 --> 00:10:19,310 - Or father and daughter. - Father and daughter. 198 00:10:19,410 --> 00:10:21,100 - Yeah. - Step sisters, step daughters. 199 00:10:21,210 --> 00:10:23,280 So all these categories, right? 200 00:10:23,380 --> 00:10:26,140 - This one everyone knows about, this one everyone knows about. 201 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:27,760 - Two girls, one cup - Two girls, one cup. 202 00:10:27,860 --> 00:10:29,410 Two girls, one cup! 203 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:30,930 - There's like eleven year olds, 204 00:10:31,030 --> 00:10:32,380 thirteen year olds are watching porn. 205 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,450 - Some people watch it to learn how to do stuff 206 00:10:35,550 --> 00:10:38,140 with their partner or their sexual partner or whatever. 207 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,030 They watch porn and then learn from the video 208 00:10:41,140 --> 00:10:43,170 and then do it in actual real life. 209 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,480 [all laughing] - Yeah! 210 00:10:45,590 --> 00:10:47,830 Producer: What was it that you'd seen that you start, 211 00:10:47,930 --> 00:10:49,000 started to make you worry? 212 00:10:49,790 --> 00:10:51,280 I think to myself, 213 00:10:51,380 --> 00:10:54,970 "well it seems formulaic to me", OK? 214 00:10:55,070 --> 00:10:59,340 It seems to me that the emphasis 215 00:10:59,450 --> 00:11:02,760 - is on satisfying the guy. - Yeah. 216 00:11:02,860 --> 00:11:06,030 So it looks to me like it's quite formulaic. 217 00:11:06,140 --> 00:11:10,930 There'll be a lot of oral sex, female to male. 218 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,520 Yeah, quite a lot. 219 00:11:13,620 --> 00:11:17,170 And then there'll be some quite 220 00:11:18,450 --> 00:11:21,240 I'd call aggressive penetration. 221 00:11:21,340 --> 00:11:24,480 Yeah? Of all, you know, different types. 222 00:11:24,590 --> 00:11:29,720 And then, there'll be what I would call... 223 00:11:29,830 --> 00:11:33,000 Well, the climax will be, like... 224 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:35,550 - I don't... - And it seems to go on forever. 225 00:11:35,660 --> 00:11:37,760 How can it be, you know, someone's face or on their boobs 226 00:11:37,860 --> 00:11:40,030 or something, you just think, 227 00:11:40,140 --> 00:11:43,620 Geez, if nine times out of ten, if a bloke did that to his wife, 228 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,240 she's gonna slap him, you know, 229 00:11:46,340 --> 00:11:47,970 that's not how we do stuff, 230 00:11:48,070 --> 00:11:50,380 - I don't think. - It's not realistic. 231 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,790 I find it a little bit gross if I'm really honest. 232 00:11:53,900 --> 00:11:57,280 And you know, I don't want my son 233 00:11:57,380 --> 00:11:59,720 treating a woman like that and I don't want my daughter 234 00:11:59,830 --> 00:12:01,900 to be treated like that. 235 00:12:03,550 --> 00:12:06,140 Now, if they evolve in a relationship 236 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,140 where they decide that is what they want to do 237 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,450 and that's me being a prude then that's fine. 238 00:12:10,550 --> 00:12:14,520 But you know, not on the first date, you know? 239 00:12:18,030 --> 00:12:20,280 - Tomorrow I'm supposed to be picking up a girl 240 00:12:20,380 --> 00:12:24,070 that's coming in, flying in from Connecticut to Vegas... 241 00:12:24,170 --> 00:12:27,480 ..and she's going to do her very first shoot with me. 242 00:12:27,590 --> 00:12:30,170 She is 19, almost 20. 243 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,140 Her mum seems kind of like, maybe overbearing or something. 244 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,720 Producer: So her mum doesn't want her to go? 245 00:12:35,830 --> 00:12:39,720 No. Definitely doesn't want her to go. 246 00:12:39,830 --> 00:12:42,550 She wants to go though, she definitely wants to go. 247 00:12:44,550 --> 00:12:46,590 Producer: Do you understand why her mum doesn't want her to go? 248 00:12:46,690 --> 00:12:47,970 Yeah, sure. 249 00:12:49,550 --> 00:12:52,210 Most parents wouldn't want their kid to quit high school 250 00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:53,410 like a lot of us did, 251 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,210 so I understand that totally, 252 00:12:55,310 --> 00:12:58,210 but I also understand the kid that wants to leave 253 00:12:58,310 --> 00:13:00,030 and do what they want to do. 254 00:13:00,140 --> 00:13:02,000 I tend to side with the kid 255 00:13:02,100 --> 00:13:03,790 that wants to go do what they want to do, 256 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:07,790 as long as like they're not put into a position where, you know, 257 00:13:07,900 --> 00:13:10,550 they're hurting themselves or that someone is like, 258 00:13:10,660 --> 00:13:12,170 taking advantage of them. 259 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,830 [laughing and moaning on video] 260 00:13:17,310 --> 00:13:18,720 Producer: Aren't you taking advantage? 261 00:13:18,830 --> 00:13:19,760 Hm? 262 00:13:19,860 --> 00:13:21,520 Producer: Aren't you taking advantage in a way? 263 00:13:22,690 --> 00:13:23,620 In what way? 264 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,000 Producer: Well, encouraging her to start doing porn. 265 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,660 Taking advantage? 266 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,310 Producer: Because you're going to film her to make money. 267 00:13:42,410 --> 00:13:46,030 Yeah, she's going to be paid though to make it. 268 00:13:47,210 --> 00:13:49,550 [indistinct voices on video] 269 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:52,660 It's a business, you know? 270 00:13:55,170 --> 00:13:58,000 [church bells ringing] 271 00:14:02,410 --> 00:14:04,070 - Where parents are too embarrassed 272 00:14:04,170 --> 00:14:07,590 to have conversations about sex with their children... 273 00:14:07,690 --> 00:14:12,030 ..hardcore pornography de facto has become sex education. 274 00:14:13,450 --> 00:14:15,550 My concern is particularly with the young girl 275 00:14:15,660 --> 00:14:17,340 whose boyfriend wants to cum on her face. 276 00:14:17,450 --> 00:14:19,380 she does not want him to cum on her face, 277 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,450 but hardcore porn has taught her 278 00:14:21,550 --> 00:14:23,760 that all men love cumming on women's faces, 279 00:14:23,860 --> 00:14:25,860 all women love having their faces cum on, 280 00:14:25,970 --> 00:14:27,930 and therefore she must let him cum on her face 281 00:14:28,030 --> 00:14:30,170 and she must pretend to like it. 282 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,140 [crowd cheering on video] 283 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:37,760 - Oh, god. 284 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,340 Narrator: Cindy Gallop's TED Talk 285 00:14:40,450 --> 00:14:43,760 has had almost two and a half million views. 286 00:14:43,860 --> 00:14:47,520 Today, she's bringing her message to Oxford University 287 00:14:47,620 --> 00:14:51,280 in a Q&A exploring how she wants to disrupt porn. 288 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:53,690 Current student, Theo, 289 00:14:53,790 --> 00:14:55,760 has been given the job of interviewing her. 290 00:14:55,860 --> 00:14:57,620 - I've interviewed prime ministers, 291 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,070 cabinet ministers, academics, historians. 292 00:15:00,170 --> 00:15:03,930 We had an event with somebody about music yesterday 293 00:15:04,030 --> 00:15:05,140 and it was all very nice. 294 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,030 This topic does not crop up when I talk to prime ministers 295 00:15:08,140 --> 00:15:09,590 or politicians at all. 296 00:15:10,620 --> 00:15:12,450 She's not afraid to say these things 297 00:15:12,550 --> 00:15:14,030 and she's not afraid to talk about 298 00:15:14,140 --> 00:15:16,140 all of these sexual sort of terminologies, 299 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,520 and it frightens the everyday person. 300 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:22,030 Narrator: Cindy travels the world, 301 00:15:22,140 --> 00:15:24,900 determined to make people face the realities 302 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,380 of how porn may now be influencing us. 303 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,830 Woman: I'm here to welcome Cindy Gallop 304 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:32,860 whose been fighting all of her life, 305 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:35,830 and she cares deeply about the society in which we live, 306 00:15:35,930 --> 00:15:38,590 so it's great, Cindy, that you're here this evening 307 00:15:38,690 --> 00:15:41,520 to talk about sex, relationships and porn. 308 00:15:42,340 --> 00:15:44,240 [applause] 309 00:15:46,030 --> 00:15:49,240 Because we don't talk about sex as a society, 310 00:15:49,340 --> 00:15:55,550 we are enormously nervous and insecure about it as a result. 311 00:15:55,660 --> 00:15:57,760 Everybody wants to be "good in bed", 312 00:15:57,860 --> 00:15:59,760 no-one knows exactly what that means, 313 00:15:59,860 --> 00:16:02,410 and so you will seize your cues on how to do that 314 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,590 from anywhere you can and if the only cues you've seen 315 00:16:04,690 --> 00:16:07,280 are in porn, those are the ones you're going to take. 316 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:10,100 I always emphasise the issue isn't porn - 317 00:16:10,210 --> 00:16:12,930 the issue is that we don't talk about sex in the real world. 318 00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:15,860 People don't get how massively, profoundly, 319 00:16:15,970 --> 00:16:18,410 fundamentally beneficial the impact of that would be. 320 00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:23,340 - Some parents don't want their children 321 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:24,720 to be having these conversations. 322 00:16:24,830 --> 00:16:26,720 - But what do you think the fear is of parents 323 00:16:26,830 --> 00:16:27,930 just about you guys talking about 324 00:16:28,030 --> 00:16:29,100 what is actually out there? 325 00:16:29,210 --> 00:16:30,790 That you're exposed to that kind of stuff. 326 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:32,590 - Could you talk to your parents about porn? 327 00:16:32,690 --> 00:16:36,070 - No. - Never! Could never. 328 00:16:36,170 --> 00:16:37,690 You could never do that. 329 00:16:37,790 --> 00:16:39,280 So that's already a barrier there. 330 00:16:39,380 --> 00:16:41,720 So why can't you guys talk about porn with your parents? 331 00:16:43,070 --> 00:16:44,550 It's an intimate kind of thing, 332 00:16:44,660 --> 00:16:45,720 like you don't really, 333 00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:47,720 like I wouldn't say it to my friends, "oh I watch porn", 334 00:16:47,830 --> 00:16:49,280 like I just wouldn't say it like that. 335 00:16:49,380 --> 00:16:51,070 - Yeah, because you find it very personal. 336 00:16:51,170 --> 00:16:52,970 Yeah, it's a personal thing. 337 00:16:53,070 --> 00:16:54,930 - 'Cause our parents always think that we're innocent, 338 00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:56,930 'cause to them we're still babies 339 00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:59,520 so they don't know that we learn from society 340 00:16:59,620 --> 00:17:00,970 what these things are. 341 00:17:01,070 --> 00:17:03,280 Producer: What was your like sex education like in school? 342 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,450 - I didn't have one. - Did you not? 343 00:17:06,550 --> 00:17:07,590 Really? 344 00:17:07,690 --> 00:17:08,930 Not that I can remember fully. 345 00:17:09,030 --> 00:17:11,760 I remember we learnt about it in science, that was it. 346 00:17:11,860 --> 00:17:12,790 - Really? - Yeah. 347 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:14,930 Because I went to an all-girls school that was Catholic, so... 348 00:17:15,030 --> 00:17:16,690 - Oh, yeah. - That explains it. 349 00:17:16,790 --> 00:17:17,720 Yeah. 350 00:17:17,830 --> 00:17:21,210 Producer: There's an idea that porn has become sex education 351 00:17:21,310 --> 00:17:24,100 for a whole generation. What do you think about that? 352 00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:26,480 I remember when we was doing sex education in class 353 00:17:26,590 --> 00:17:29,210 like in my third of fourth year of secondary school, 354 00:17:29,310 --> 00:17:31,550 and they were explaining something to us, 355 00:17:31,660 --> 00:17:32,970 I can't remember what it was, 356 00:17:33,070 --> 00:17:34,970 but then one of the boys shouted out, 357 00:17:35,070 --> 00:17:37,030 "That's not what I saw on Pornhub." 358 00:17:37,140 --> 00:17:39,310 It's like, oh, that's entertainment, 359 00:17:39,410 --> 00:17:40,790 that's not real life. 360 00:17:40,900 --> 00:17:44,070 It's made up, but he just couldn't understand that, 361 00:17:44,170 --> 00:17:46,210 he genuinely thought Pornhub was real 362 00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:48,410 'cause his parents had never spoken to him 363 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,000 about like, what sex is, what it is, and all stuff like that, 364 00:17:52,100 --> 00:17:54,000 so he kind of just always had this idea 365 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:55,830 from what he'd seen online. 366 00:17:55,930 --> 00:17:57,720 Sexuality was never brought up. 367 00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:59,410 Never. 368 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,900 So, I mean, me being gay, it was... 369 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,210 ..that became pretty difficult 370 00:18:05,310 --> 00:18:07,000 because I never learnt about it, 371 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:09,410 I had to sort of figure things out for myself 372 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,070 and I was never educated on certain things. 373 00:18:12,170 --> 00:18:14,000 I had to go and find it myself. 374 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:16,660 then you would, you'll Google it 375 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,240 and you'll find things such as porn. 376 00:18:19,340 --> 00:18:20,590 Yeah. 377 00:18:20,690 --> 00:18:23,240 Narrator: Whilst we've not been talking about porn, 378 00:18:23,340 --> 00:18:25,860 more and more of it is made every day, 379 00:18:25,970 --> 00:18:30,140 with DIY producers like Jason popping up all over the world. 380 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,340 - I know somebody who's making $90,000 a month in sales, 381 00:18:34,450 --> 00:18:36,690 $90,000 a month. 382 00:18:36,790 --> 00:18:39,280 But actually, in life, when you try to put 383 00:18:39,380 --> 00:18:41,100 happiness or something like that on a dollar, 384 00:18:41,210 --> 00:18:43,140 like a dollar amount, that's foolish, you know. 385 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,380 I don't give a shit about a dollar amount. 386 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,030 I just want a lot. 387 00:18:48,140 --> 00:18:51,550 Narrator: Jason's constantly looking for new ideas... 388 00:18:51,660 --> 00:18:54,380 ..something to make his videos stand out. 389 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,480 His latest plan is to turn his friend, Matt, into a porn star. 390 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,930 - Come out here, Fat Bastard. 391 00:19:07,030 --> 00:19:08,830 so this is my friend, Fat Bastard. 392 00:19:08,930 --> 00:19:11,340 - His name is Matt. - Not so fat. 393 00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:13,720 - You're fat as fuck. 394 00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:16,690 He's basically the all-American, every day... 395 00:19:16,790 --> 00:19:18,760 - Fat guy. - ..Walmart NASCAR guy 396 00:19:18,860 --> 00:19:21,480 that's going to get in there and pound. 397 00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:23,520 The average dude's going to see you and say, 398 00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:25,030 "I want to be like Matt." 399 00:19:25,140 --> 00:19:26,830 Or like Fat Bastard. 400 00:19:26,930 --> 00:19:30,000 That's the plan, and he's just a normal dude. 401 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,760 We should hide this hotel shit, right? 402 00:19:33,860 --> 00:19:35,860 - I think they can figure out it's a hotel 403 00:19:35,970 --> 00:19:37,100 by the white sheets. 404 00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:40,170 - Yeah, but not the names, got the names all on that shit. 405 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,170 Producer: So the hotel doesn't know you're doing this? 406 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,070 Nah, they never know. 407 00:19:45,170 --> 00:19:46,310 Is that naughty? 408 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,760 It should be this one, yes. 409 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,100 Move the camera and stand in towards you. 410 00:19:54,210 --> 00:19:55,660 It's the same thing as if you're doggy style 411 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,340 or if she's doggy style, she's facing this way. 412 00:19:58,450 --> 00:20:01,830 This is going to be like the insertion shot, right? 413 00:20:01,930 --> 00:20:04,240 Narrator: Matt's travelled here for the shoot from Utah 414 00:20:04,340 --> 00:20:06,860 where he works as a bus driver. 415 00:20:06,970 --> 00:20:10,210 He first contacted Jason after watching his videos online, 416 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:13,280 and offered to help him recruit new performers. 417 00:20:13,380 --> 00:20:15,520 Now he's about to become one himself. 418 00:20:15,620 --> 00:20:17,860 - A little nervous. You just hear the horror stories 419 00:20:17,970 --> 00:20:19,930 about first time shoots. 420 00:20:20,030 --> 00:20:21,520 Producer: What are some of the horror stories? 421 00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:22,900 You can't get it up 422 00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:28,070 or I mean, you pop too quick, or... 423 00:20:28,170 --> 00:20:29,930 Producer: Remind me again why you're doing this? 424 00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:32,900 It's the all-American dream. 425 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,720 What can you say, you know? 426 00:20:34,830 --> 00:20:37,280 You get to start your own brand. 427 00:20:37,380 --> 00:20:40,210 The Fat Bastard idea, that's me. 428 00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:41,930 Um... 429 00:20:43,790 --> 00:20:47,900 And then if that's out there and everybody can see it, 430 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,310 I mean, that's... You're... At that point 431 00:20:50,410 --> 00:20:52,930 I'm a personality, I guess you would call it. 432 00:20:54,380 --> 00:20:56,450 Producer: So are you doing it for fame or fortune? 433 00:20:57,380 --> 00:20:58,830 A little bit of both. 434 00:21:00,170 --> 00:21:01,410 I want people to sit there and go, 435 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,450 "I wish I could do that, I wish I was him." 436 00:21:05,310 --> 00:21:08,100 [slow guitar music] 437 00:21:09,930 --> 00:21:13,520 I knew that if I wanted to counter the global impact 438 00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:15,410 of porn as default sex ed, 439 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,340 I was going to have to come up with something 440 00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:19,830 that at least had the potential one day 441 00:21:19,930 --> 00:21:23,930 to be just as mass, just as mainstream 442 00:21:24,030 --> 00:21:28,480 and just as all-pervasive in our society as porn currently is. 443 00:21:28,590 --> 00:21:31,210 Narrator: To try and counter porn's negative influence, 444 00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:34,410 Cindy decided to create a new platform 445 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:39,410 for ordinary people to post homemade sex videos online. 446 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,380 - My tiny team and I launched a video-sharing platform 447 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,790 that celebrates real world sex. 448 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:48,520 So anyone from anywhere in the world can submit to us. 449 00:21:49,930 --> 00:21:52,210 Those social sex videos on 'Make Love not Porn' 450 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:54,310 are not about performing for the camera. 451 00:21:55,790 --> 00:21:58,310 Capture what goes on in the real world, 452 00:21:58,410 --> 00:22:00,900 as it happens spontaneously. 453 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,520 We do not publish it unless it's real. 454 00:22:03,620 --> 00:22:05,660 We are absolutely not about production values. 455 00:22:06,690 --> 00:22:07,860 OK, this is real world sex, 456 00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:10,000 people film themselves on their phone, you know, 457 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:11,690 on their laptop, whatever it is. 458 00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:18,100 Real world bodies, real world hair, 459 00:22:18,210 --> 00:22:21,100 real world penis size, real world breast size, 460 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,620 nothing but nothing makes you feel great about your own body 461 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,620 like watching people who are nobody's idea 462 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,590 of aspirational body types, 463 00:22:31,690 --> 00:22:34,280 having a bloody amazing time in bed. 464 00:22:35,790 --> 00:22:38,860 We celebrate the accidents, the awkwardness, the messiness. 465 00:22:41,860 --> 00:22:43,620 Narrator: Cindy's idea is to allow people 466 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,340 to share their sex lives, 467 00:22:45,450 --> 00:22:49,340 the same way you might post holiday snaps on social media, 468 00:22:49,450 --> 00:22:52,760 so that people can understand sex from each other, 469 00:22:52,860 --> 00:22:54,380 rather than porn stars. 470 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,170 If you only learn about sex from porn, 471 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,970 porn teaches you that sex is a performance. 472 00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:06,480 Nothing educates people about what are good sexual values 473 00:23:06,590 --> 00:23:07,620 and good sexual behaviour 474 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,660 like actually watching people having that kind of sex. 475 00:23:13,070 --> 00:23:16,210 - Somebody could argue that you just set up 476 00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:17,900 an amateur porn site. 477 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,860 So first of all, they're not porn videos, Theo, 478 00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:21,280 they are real world sex videos. 479 00:23:21,380 --> 00:23:23,170 Well of course, that depends on your interpretation. 480 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,480 We are not porn. We are not 'amateur'. 481 00:23:26,590 --> 00:23:28,930 We're building a whole new category on the internet 482 00:23:29,030 --> 00:23:31,760 that's never previously existed - social sex. 483 00:23:31,860 --> 00:23:34,970 Surely you've kind of skipped a few steps. 484 00:23:35,070 --> 00:23:36,860 Have you gone too far 485 00:23:36,970 --> 00:23:38,520 with this radical vision to begin with? 486 00:23:38,620 --> 00:23:41,380 If I wanted to learn more about the things you're talking about, 487 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,660 do I have to watch people having sex? 488 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,760 Do me a favour - go to Google, 489 00:23:45,860 --> 00:23:48,240 enter into the search box the word 'porn', 490 00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:51,620 like millions of children do every single day. 491 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,520 Look at the top ten sites 492 00:23:53,620 --> 00:23:55,450 that come up on page one of Google when you do that. 493 00:23:55,550 --> 00:23:59,450 Go to the home page of each, take a long hard look at it, 494 00:23:59,550 --> 00:24:01,520 and then tell me I shouldn't be doing what I'm doing. 495 00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:08,410 - I'm gonna give you your pep talk here, in all sincerity. 496 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,310 We're just going to say it's like your first scene, 497 00:24:10,410 --> 00:24:12,210 and this is your... 498 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,590 ..introductory shoot, OK? 499 00:24:15,690 --> 00:24:16,900 So there's no pressure on it. 500 00:24:17,380 --> 00:24:18,310 Yeah. 501 00:24:18,410 --> 00:24:21,410 It's a hot girl, and you're going to fuck her. 502 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,660 Like, I'm serious, like no pressure. 503 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,450 - OK? - Alright. 504 00:24:25,550 --> 00:24:26,760 OK. 505 00:24:28,380 --> 00:24:31,280 No pressure, no pressure for him. 506 00:24:31,380 --> 00:24:33,310 I'm just going to film you guys on this one. 507 00:24:33,410 --> 00:24:34,860 And you guys go at it right here. 508 00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:36,860 Start thinking about too much shit, 509 00:24:36,970 --> 00:24:39,210 other than what you're doing, your dick can go down. 510 00:24:39,310 --> 00:24:40,240 Alright. 511 00:24:40,340 --> 00:24:42,900 OK? Any questions or anything? 512 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,760 - Not that I can think of. - OK. 513 00:24:45,860 --> 00:24:49,930 Narrator: Jason believes he can turn Matt into a brand... 514 00:24:50,030 --> 00:24:52,590 ..and is encouraging him to adopt a character. 515 00:24:55,450 --> 00:24:58,210 - Ah, you look good. You are fat as fuck, though. 516 00:24:58,310 --> 00:25:01,070 Narrator: In his debut scene, Matt will be performing 517 00:25:01,170 --> 00:25:04,210 with professional porn star, Carolina Sweets. 518 00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:05,620 - Hey. - Hi. 519 00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:07,310 - Hiya. 520 00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:10,760 Narrator: Carolina gets a one-off fee, 521 00:25:10,860 --> 00:25:13,620 the industry standard is around $1,000. 522 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,310 But with Jason's guidance, 523 00:25:16,410 --> 00:25:19,340 Matt has been told he could earn much more than that, 524 00:25:19,450 --> 00:25:22,590 if his performance stands out and the video sells. 525 00:25:22,690 --> 00:25:25,000 - There he is. - Nice. 526 00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:27,720 Thought we were joking. 527 00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:29,760 I actually thought he was joking too! 528 00:25:29,860 --> 00:25:32,380 All you need is, like, a little cooler for you to hold. 529 00:25:33,380 --> 00:25:34,590 - I don't know if he should take, 530 00:25:34,690 --> 00:25:36,210 I don't know if he should take them off 531 00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:38,790 or if he should just try to fuck with them on. 532 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:39,830 What do you think? 533 00:25:39,930 --> 00:25:41,550 I didn't even know it zipped down until like 534 00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:43,070 he had them on like a couple of minutes ago. 535 00:25:43,170 --> 00:25:45,550 - Yeah, but that might hurt. - Yeah. 536 00:25:45,660 --> 00:25:47,310 - Like you're going to break him in. 537 00:25:47,410 --> 00:25:48,900 We're going to make it completely realistic 538 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,900 and we'll just like start in the bedroom. 539 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,240 This is his first time, you guys are just going to go at it. 540 00:25:54,340 --> 00:25:56,480 - Now what exactly are we supposed to talk about, 541 00:25:56,590 --> 00:25:57,720 because you've seen my acting... 542 00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:59,930 - ..it sucks. - No, no, you're not acting, 543 00:26:00,030 --> 00:26:02,240 - you're not acting at all. - This won't be acting at all. 544 00:26:02,340 --> 00:26:05,860 Just literally what you're doing right now. 545 00:26:05,970 --> 00:26:07,970 - Yeah, we're introducing you, Fat Bastard. 546 00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:09,520 Producer: How you feeling, Matt? 547 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:11,930 - How are you feeling? 548 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,970 I don't really know. I'll let you know in an hour. 549 00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:20,860 Producer: How are you feeling, Carolina? 550 00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:24,280 Pretty excited. Let's break him in. 551 00:26:24,380 --> 00:26:27,030 - Alright, so I guess we're going to start right now. 552 00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:31,830 - OK. - Yeah. 553 00:26:35,310 --> 00:26:37,620 [Jason on recording]: Debut porn video right here 554 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,140 with Carolina Sweets. 555 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,480 So how do you feel about breaking in 556 00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:43,240 my man right here for his first shoot? 557 00:26:43,340 --> 00:26:44,380 I feel great. 558 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,520 [Jason on recording]: Awesome. 559 00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:47,000 And how do you feel, Fat Bastard? 560 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:48,930 I don't know how's she's going to break me, I'm too fat. 561 00:26:49,030 --> 00:26:51,030 [Jason on recording]: You are too fat. You're a big boy. 562 00:26:51,140 --> 00:26:52,690 Why don't you get up there and stand up, 563 00:26:52,790 --> 00:26:54,450 let's see this outfit you got on right here, 564 00:26:54,550 --> 00:26:55,550 what you walk around in, 565 00:26:55,660 --> 00:26:57,410 you Walmart motherfucker right here. 566 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,170 This is funny as fuck! 567 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,030 [Jason on recording]: Well why don't you guys like 568 00:27:02,140 --> 00:27:03,860 go over by the chair so I can get better lighting here 569 00:27:03,970 --> 00:27:07,170 and go ahead and just, Carolina just break his ass in, please. 570 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,410 [Carolina on recording]: I will. 571 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,030 [Jason on recording]: If you will. Alright? 572 00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:12,140 [Carolina on recording]: It's why you brought me tonight. 573 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,240 [Jason on recording]: That's right. Gotta straight up... 574 00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:16,000 Producer: So will people pay for this? 575 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:19,550 Yeah, I think so. It's unique. 576 00:27:19,660 --> 00:27:21,930 I'll definitely have a core group of people 577 00:27:22,030 --> 00:27:23,240 that are going to be able to relate to him, 578 00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:25,690 I'm pretty damn confident in that. 579 00:27:25,790 --> 00:27:27,450 What I hope to do with this video 580 00:27:27,550 --> 00:27:30,410 is basically just expand the customer base. 581 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,070 that's what the most important thing is. 582 00:27:33,170 --> 00:27:35,000 It's like any business. 583 00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:36,900 [Jason on recording]: You ain't looking as good as Carolina 584 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,210 but you looking good right over there. 585 00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:39,340 Duh. 586 00:27:39,450 --> 00:27:42,790 - Anything over 200, 300,000 viewers is good 587 00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:45,450 but anything like a million and up, 588 00:27:45,550 --> 00:27:46,930 you really can't ask for more. 589 00:27:50,380 --> 00:27:51,900 Producer: Have you told your girlfriend how it went? 590 00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:53,860 No. 591 00:27:53,970 --> 00:27:54,860 Producer: Will you? 592 00:27:54,970 --> 00:27:57,310 Yeah, when I get home. 593 00:28:01,070 --> 00:28:02,140 Producer: What do you think she'll say? 594 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,830 I don't think she even will wanna know. 595 00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:09,480 That was kind of part of the deal is that, you know, 596 00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:12,520 I don't tell her about it, I don't show it to her, 597 00:28:12,620 --> 00:28:14,030 and it's work only. 598 00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:17,410 Producer: Did you think about her? 599 00:28:17,970 --> 00:28:19,140 No. 600 00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:23,860 That would just be kind of wrong, you know. 601 00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:31,140 Narrator: These days, there's no barrier 602 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,210 to an ordinary guy like Matt becoming a porn star. 603 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:37,380 But once Jason uploads their film, 604 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,380 there'll never be an opportunity for Matt to change his mind. 605 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,760 Today happened. 606 00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:49,450 It will be replayed over and over, all around the world. 607 00:28:49,550 --> 00:28:51,970 And it's the enormous power of the internet, 608 00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:53,900 its reach and spread 609 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,860 that's making us question the impact of porn, 610 00:28:56,970 --> 00:28:58,830 especially on a generation 611 00:28:58,930 --> 00:29:01,790 that's been able to access it so easily. 612 00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:05,410 Do you think access to porn, in whatever relationship, 613 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,210 heterosexual, homosexual, lesbian, whatever, 614 00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:12,140 - that it speeds up the... - Yeah. 615 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,210 ..the evolution of your relationship, 616 00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:15,760 or it slows it down? 617 00:29:15,860 --> 00:29:19,240 I think people nowadays go straight to sex 618 00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:21,690 and then they think about the emotional bond afterwards, 619 00:29:21,790 --> 00:29:22,900 and they sort of think, 620 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,720 "alright, let's just get all this sort of 621 00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:26,690 "sexual stuff out the way, and then we'll figure out 622 00:29:26,790 --> 00:29:28,830 "if we actually really like each other." 623 00:29:28,930 --> 00:29:30,310 - It's not really, I think... - Don't you think that's... 624 00:29:30,410 --> 00:29:32,030 Obviously, I think the initial attraction is always there. 625 00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:33,410 Don't you think that's the wrong way round? 626 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,720 That is, yeah exactly, that is definitely the wrong way round. 627 00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:38,690 And it's very much sort of like... 628 00:29:38,790 --> 00:29:40,380 We've had loads of discussions about 629 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,760 what we think people have gone into doing 630 00:29:42,860 --> 00:29:44,760 - sexual stuff too early. - Yeah. 631 00:29:44,860 --> 00:29:46,340 And now they're just sort of like, 632 00:29:46,450 --> 00:29:48,760 "well what's now, we haven't got anything 633 00:29:48,860 --> 00:29:52,140 "to like look forward to and look forward to" in a sense, 634 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,340 "we haven't got anything to..." 635 00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:54,590 - Build up to. - Yeah. 636 00:29:54,690 --> 00:29:55,760 You build your confidence up, don't you? 637 00:29:55,860 --> 00:29:56,790 Yeah, yeah. 638 00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:59,480 And then it's just sort of like, "well we've done everything now, 639 00:29:59,590 --> 00:30:01,070 "what do we do now? Talk to each other?" 640 00:30:01,170 --> 00:30:03,410 Oh my lord, heaven forbid. 641 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,310 Sit down and watch a film? Ew. 642 00:30:07,030 --> 00:30:10,480 - Trying to change social narratives around sex 643 00:30:10,590 --> 00:30:13,830 is quite extraordinarily difficult. 644 00:30:13,930 --> 00:30:16,170 - Why haven't governments been doing it? 645 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,970 is it simply because we don't want to talk about it, 646 00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:19,000 it's too awkward? 647 00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:21,030 Yeah, the government doesn't even want to go there 648 00:30:21,140 --> 00:30:22,340 - and they absolutely should. - Have you tried 649 00:30:22,450 --> 00:30:24,140 to speak to them about your work? 650 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,690 Yeah, so I wrote an open letter to David Cameron 651 00:30:26,790 --> 00:30:27,970 about precisely this issue 652 00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:29,660 and the headline was, you know, 653 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,720 "David Cameron, don't block porn, disrupt it". 654 00:30:32,830 --> 00:30:36,030 And what I said in that letter, the issue isn't porn, 655 00:30:36,140 --> 00:30:38,140 the issue is that we don't talk about sex in the real world. 656 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,590 The answer then that worries me about porn 657 00:30:40,690 --> 00:30:44,660 is not to shut down, censor, clamp down, block, repress, 658 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,900 it is instead to open up. 659 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,410 Open up the dialogue around all of this, like I'm trying to do 660 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,930 because when you do that, 661 00:30:51,030 --> 00:30:53,690 you completely change the landscape of "adult". 662 00:30:53,790 --> 00:30:55,170 - Did he, he didn't respond at all? 663 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,340 Sadly he didn't respond, no. 664 00:30:57,450 --> 00:30:59,000 If you could all join me in thanking Cindy 665 00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:00,620 for being such a wonderful guest, thank you Cindy. 666 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,970 [crowd applauding] 667 00:31:06,930 --> 00:31:08,210 Narrator: But in the UK, 668 00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:10,790 the growing fear around access to porn... 669 00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:13,410 ..has led to plans for a new law 670 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,140 which will block kids from watching it. 671 00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:20,140 It would mean that if you visit a porn site, 672 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,930 you have to prove you're 18 using credit card info 673 00:31:24,030 --> 00:31:27,590 or a driving licence to verify your age. 674 00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:30,340 - Our government are looking at putting in a porn block, 675 00:31:30,450 --> 00:31:32,070 do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing? 676 00:31:32,170 --> 00:31:34,970 If you're under 18, to have a porn block? 677 00:31:35,070 --> 00:31:37,210 - A lot of people know how to get around that stuff. 678 00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:39,000 People will still find ways. 679 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:40,790 - 'Cause it's all about social media. 680 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:43,450 You get all of these pornographies, 681 00:31:43,550 --> 00:31:46,340 and all these sexual things through social media 682 00:31:46,450 --> 00:31:48,410 and through Snapchat, through Instagram, through Twitter. 683 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,790 So in essence, you're saying that if they put a ban it, 684 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:52,790 it's not going to matter anyway. 685 00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:53,860 - No, it won't. - Yeah. 686 00:31:53,970 --> 00:31:55,310 - People will still find ways. - Yeah. 687 00:31:55,410 --> 00:31:59,100 So it's not going to work, it's actually not going to work. 688 00:31:59,210 --> 00:32:01,590 - There's no direct push from government 689 00:32:01,690 --> 00:32:04,410 to have to explore these topics. 690 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,210 If there was a need for a law to be in place 691 00:32:07,310 --> 00:32:08,970 for there to be an age block, 692 00:32:09,070 --> 00:32:11,070 that means there was an issue. 693 00:32:11,170 --> 00:32:13,450 And that means the issue has been long going on 694 00:32:13,550 --> 00:32:14,930 that hasn't been tackled. 695 00:32:15,030 --> 00:32:17,410 And so therefore somebody's missed a beat with that one. 696 00:32:19,030 --> 00:32:21,310 Producer: Do you think parents will see age verification 697 00:32:21,410 --> 00:32:22,930 as a good thing 'cause now they won't have to talk 698 00:32:23,030 --> 00:32:24,030 to their kids about porn? 699 00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:25,410 That is exactly the fucking problem. 700 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,760 No, society cannot abdicate this issue. 701 00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:31,140 No, any parent who loves their child 702 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,690 should not be going, "oh, I can just leave it 703 00:32:33,790 --> 00:32:35,380 "to that age verification thing 704 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,140 "and I'll never...", oh my fucking God, 705 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,660 no, no, do not abdicate your responsibility 706 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:48,830 to educate on what sex is and therefore what porn is. 707 00:32:48,930 --> 00:32:50,550 - By the time young people come to me, 708 00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:53,790 they're 16, it's almost like the last opportunity 709 00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:58,860 education has in order to really shape who they're going to be. 710 00:32:58,970 --> 00:33:00,830 That curriculum needs to change 711 00:33:00,930 --> 00:33:02,970 and needs to incorporate things such as porn. 712 00:33:03,070 --> 00:33:06,210 It's one of those sad truths that we need to understand that, 713 00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:08,970 you know, our children are accessing porn, 714 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,480 so why not tackle it and address it? 715 00:33:14,790 --> 00:33:17,140 [overlapping chatter] 716 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,690 Narrator: But while we're trying to understand 717 00:33:18,790 --> 00:33:22,070 how the porn revolution could be affecting us... 718 00:33:22,170 --> 00:33:26,590 ..the industry is racing ahead, breaking new frontiers, 719 00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:29,520 pushing sexual fantasy in new ways. 720 00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:32,590 - I need you guys to be quiet, please. 721 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,240 Alright, so let's start rolling video and sound, please. 722 00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:38,690 - We are rolling. Good? - Mm-hm. 723 00:33:38,790 --> 00:33:40,070 Yes. 724 00:33:40,170 --> 00:33:41,280 - Action. 725 00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:46,070 Welcome home, honey. 726 00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:48,210 Did you have a good day at the office? 727 00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:49,450 - And cut. 728 00:33:49,550 --> 00:33:52,240 - The big difference between a normal porn scene 729 00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:53,900 and a virtual reality porn, 730 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,900 you feel that you are inside the scene. 731 00:33:57,690 --> 00:33:59,620 - Action. 732 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,480 Take a seat in your favourite chair 733 00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:02,970 and let me get you a drink. 734 00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:07,720 - You are not a spectator any more, 735 00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:08,860 you are there. 736 00:34:08,970 --> 00:34:10,720 - Action. 737 00:34:10,830 --> 00:34:12,790 - You are having sex with your favourite porn star. 738 00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:17,790 That's something that no way you can do before. 739 00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:21,590 Narrator: Virtual reality has been around for decades, 740 00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:26,140 but it's only now that it's starting to become widely used, 741 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:29,000 and pornography is helping to drive that. 742 00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:32,100 [soft music] 743 00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:43,030 - Right now, I can see there's a video called 'Pin Up Slut', 744 00:34:43,140 --> 00:34:45,860 and then the video started... 745 00:34:45,970 --> 00:34:48,760 ..and I'm in front of a door, I'm knocking on the door 746 00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:50,170 and so is a first person view. 747 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,070 So it feels like it's me doing this. 748 00:34:53,070 --> 00:34:54,210 Welcome home, honey. 749 00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:56,380 Did you have a good day at the office? 750 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,660 - She's opened the door. 751 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,240 She's giving me a drink, it looks like whisky. 752 00:35:01,340 --> 00:35:02,900 Here's your drink, honey. 753 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,100 - So this is the kind of five, six minute story part 754 00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:09,620 which, if I want, I can fast forward. 755 00:35:12,830 --> 00:35:14,690 I'm moving my head around, I can look around. 756 00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:17,000 I can't move physically. 757 00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,000 The male point of view videos are filmed 758 00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:21,520 where the man is lying or sitting, 759 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:23,550 and the female is moving around. 760 00:35:27,070 --> 00:35:29,410 So as I'm sitting now on the couch here, 761 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,240 I'm basically sitting in the same position 762 00:35:31,340 --> 00:35:32,480 as the man in the video is. 763 00:35:32,590 --> 00:35:34,030 [smacking sound] - Ah, one. 764 00:35:34,140 --> 00:35:36,310 - So when the man experiences something... 765 00:35:37,070 --> 00:35:38,520 [smacking sound] Two. 766 00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:42,100 ..it does look like, at least, that it's me experiencing that. 767 00:35:43,170 --> 00:35:45,000 [smacking continues with woman groaning] 768 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:46,310 Er, yes. 769 00:35:47,830 --> 00:35:49,970 - And cut, perfect, nice, OK. 770 00:35:50,070 --> 00:35:53,520 - It's much more immersive, it's much more realistic. 771 00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:56,340 Sorry stud, it will never happen again. 772 00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:59,070 We're going to do a little bit of BJ, 773 00:35:59,170 --> 00:36:02,660 then we'll go to boob job, then reverse cowgirl. 774 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,280 Producer: What's happening now? 775 00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:08,790 So now she's in front of me, she's lifting up her skirt. 776 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:12,520 We've almost got to the part where 777 00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:14,030 we're going to start getting undressed. 778 00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:17,480 So now, she's started to perform oral sex 779 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,900 and she looks like she's enjoying it. 780 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,030 [woman moaning] 781 00:36:31,140 --> 00:36:35,380 Narrator: Errol is a tech entrepreneur working in VR. 782 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,070 He began his career making games and interactive experiences, 783 00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:41,620 but has been lured by the potential 784 00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:44,210 of Virtual Reality porn. 785 00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:49,660 - 95% of all VR-related searches are to do with VR porn. 786 00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:53,790 Producer: So what's all this? 787 00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:57,520 - So, these are our VRotica headsets, 788 00:36:57,620 --> 00:36:59,900 it's an all in one VR headset, 789 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,140 but also the main selling point obviously 790 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,860 is that you have your adult videos in here. 791 00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:07,030 The only reason we took a deep dive into this 792 00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:09,860 was when we kind of become more aware of the numbers 793 00:37:09,970 --> 00:37:13,030 and how big actually porn was over here. 794 00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:14,520 When we get an order online, 795 00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:16,340 this is where we prepare them. 796 00:37:16,450 --> 00:37:18,930 We package them and send them from here. 797 00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:20,930 It's a bit, I suppose, like those stories you hear 798 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:22,930 with the first days of Apple, 799 00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:25,830 with Wozniak and Steve Jobs working out of their garage. 800 00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:27,450 It is a bit like that, I suppose. 801 00:37:28,690 --> 00:37:29,790 The people are worried that, 802 00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:32,970 if it completely replaces human interaction, 803 00:37:33,070 --> 00:37:35,100 people will stop having sex with real people. 804 00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:37,660 But it's not for me to judge basically, 805 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,620 I mean, what people are going to do, so... 806 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,380 [woman moaning] 807 00:37:43,930 --> 00:37:45,140 There's a demand for it, 808 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,030 and it's not dangerous, it doesn't hurt anyone, 809 00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:49,720 it doesn't harm anyone immediately. 810 00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:51,590 If there are repercussions for that, 811 00:37:51,690 --> 00:37:53,310 then obviously it's a bigger issue 812 00:37:53,410 --> 00:37:55,170 than just me selling a headset. 813 00:37:56,410 --> 00:37:58,030 [smacking sounds] - Oh, my god. 814 00:37:58,140 --> 00:37:59,410 Producer: Is the video still going? 815 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,210 Yes, it's a half hour video. 816 00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:07,240 Narrator: Jason needs to attract a constant supply 817 00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:11,210 of young women who are willing to do porn for the first time. 818 00:38:11,310 --> 00:38:13,340 His business model depends on them. 819 00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:17,480 Today, he's waiting for a 19-year-old 820 00:38:17,590 --> 00:38:19,620 to arrive from Connecticut. 821 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:21,760 They've been messaging for a year, 822 00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:24,340 but suddenly the conversation has stopped. 823 00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:28,860 - The situation today is we have a cancellation. 824 00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:31,760 The girl that was gonna be flying in tonight 825 00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:34,970 has cancelled, she's completely... 826 00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:40,790 ..non-responsive, and I'm sure will have some bullshit excuse. 827 00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:42,100 A little irritated, but... 828 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,930 ..there's nothing you can do really. 829 00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:47,410 "I'm literally so excited, 830 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,970 "I have like bubbly feelings, ha, I can't wait." 831 00:38:50,070 --> 00:38:51,930 "It's going to be fun." I said, "yeah." 832 00:38:52,030 --> 00:38:53,590 She said, "I'm so ready to go." 833 00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:57,380 Just normal talking about her being excited and shit 834 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,310 and all of a sudden just crickets, 835 00:38:59,410 --> 00:39:01,030 you just hear crickets, nothing. 836 00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:02,930 [making beeping sounds] 837 00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:05,000 Producer: Why do you think she isn't coming? 838 00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:06,720 Oh, I don't know. She just, 839 00:39:06,830 --> 00:39:08,970 I think she's just, she's just nervous 840 00:39:09,070 --> 00:39:10,860 and just off in some fantasy land 841 00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:13,170 and she doesn't have the courage to follow through, 842 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,760 so she's just blown it off. 843 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:25,070 Narrator: Jason says he wants to make $60,000 a month - 844 00:39:25,170 --> 00:39:27,280 that's a tall order when you're asking people 845 00:39:27,380 --> 00:39:30,100 to make a life-changing decision. 846 00:39:30,210 --> 00:39:34,030 to have sex on camera and let the world see it. 847 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,900 Producer: So there's been a bit of a mix, 848 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,760 through which there's been a few hurdles. 849 00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:42,070 - Par for the course, man. 850 00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:43,550 Like this is what I do, 851 00:39:43,660 --> 00:39:45,760 this is my fucking life right now, like this is, 852 00:39:45,860 --> 00:39:49,450 like there's like, I'm not like just trying things out, 853 00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:51,520 I'm not giving it a good old shot, 854 00:39:51,620 --> 00:39:53,620 no, I'm fucking doing this shit. 855 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,210 This is my fucking life, period. 856 00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:57,790 I don't have kids, I don't have a wife, 857 00:39:57,900 --> 00:39:59,860 I don't have nothing else, you know, nothing, 858 00:39:59,970 --> 00:40:01,030 this is what I do. 859 00:40:03,340 --> 00:40:04,520 It's not going to stop me. 860 00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:07,590 It doesn't make me like deterred at all. 861 00:40:07,690 --> 00:40:09,310 I'm fixated on building this shit 862 00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:11,790 into something like really, really, really big. 863 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,310 - So now, I need to check if it's worked. 864 00:40:28,410 --> 00:40:30,550 So we received an order overnight 865 00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:32,380 from a buyer from France. 866 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,590 Now , I'm just making sure that everything's working fine 867 00:40:36,690 --> 00:40:38,760 before I send it out. 868 00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:40,590 Yep, just turn it off. 869 00:40:40,690 --> 00:40:42,930 I'm just going to put it in bubble wrap. 870 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:19,030 I have created the first sex doll brothel of France. 871 00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:23,140 I am always curious about new technology, 872 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:24,380 about new business... 873 00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:32,100 ..and when I see this - whoa! - I think of the future. 874 00:41:32,210 --> 00:41:35,620 We also provide the VR experience. 875 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,620 They just have to put it on their head 876 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,900 and live in other world. 877 00:41:42,690 --> 00:41:44,690 It's totally incredible. 878 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,380 Producer: Who's this? 879 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,550 - This is Sarah. 880 00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:56,520 This is Sophia. 881 00:41:56,620 --> 00:41:59,480 Producer: Why is it necessary to have porn as well as the dolls? 882 00:41:59,590 --> 00:42:02,550 The dolls is quite strange, it's new, 883 00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:07,310 so I think I have to provide something to excite them. 884 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,030 How to explain but... 885 00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:11,210 Producer: To get them in the mood. 886 00:42:11,310 --> 00:42:14,140 Yes, to get them in the mood, oh yeah, totally right. 887 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:15,760 Producer: Because the dolls are a bit strange. 888 00:42:17,140 --> 00:42:18,380 The dolls are new. 889 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,410 The face is realistic. 890 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,310 The skin is very soft, it's like human, 891 00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:30,070 but the body, it's phantasmagoric. 892 00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:31,340 Producer: Phantasmagoric? 893 00:42:31,450 --> 00:42:34,170 Yeah, it's a good word? 894 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,340 Producer: Very good word. - Yeah. 895 00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:39,480 I advise everybody to try it once. 896 00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:44,830 For now it's just metal skeleton with plastic stuff. 897 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,070 So I think in the future, 898 00:42:49,170 --> 00:42:52,660 sex dolls will be more like sex robots. 899 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,240 The doll will be intelligent, 900 00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:58,520 she can recognise you, you can speak with her, 901 00:42:58,620 --> 00:43:01,620 she can do everything like a real human. 902 00:43:04,070 --> 00:43:05,830 The new generation of people 903 00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:09,000 who are born with an iPhone in the hand, 904 00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:10,970 for this kind of generation, 905 00:43:11,070 --> 00:43:12,590 it will be more normal. 906 00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:16,240 So I think in few years, 907 00:43:16,340 --> 00:43:18,590 when these people grow up, 908 00:43:18,690 --> 00:43:21,900 they will be the next big customer base. 909 00:43:23,410 --> 00:43:27,760 For the business, it will be heaven. 910 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,480 A new customer. 911 00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:48,930 - In a male-dominated tech world, 912 00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:53,590 the support and the funding goes to that area of sex tech, 913 00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:57,070 that is focused on driving us further and further apart 914 00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:59,760 into our own little virtual worlds. 915 00:43:59,860 --> 00:44:03,450 Versus the area I operate in, which is about using technology 916 00:44:03,550 --> 00:44:06,550 to bring people closer together in the real world. 917 00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:08,380 Which area do you think 918 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,070 is going to have the most beneficial impact 919 00:44:11,170 --> 00:44:12,900 on the future of humanity? 920 00:44:15,930 --> 00:44:18,410 Narrator: Whatever new technology catches on, 921 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:23,590 it's clear that porn is moving fast and in new directions. 922 00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:26,030 It makes you wonder where it's leading us 923 00:44:26,140 --> 00:44:28,410 and whether it's impossible to control. 924 00:44:31,170 --> 00:44:34,170 [slow tempo music] 925 00:44:38,620 --> 00:44:39,930 Producer: Another city, another apartment? 926 00:44:40,030 --> 00:44:42,210 Yeah, that's how it is. 927 00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:47,280 This was one guy's dream to create this whole city. 928 00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:49,340 And everyone thought he was fucking crazy. 929 00:44:49,450 --> 00:44:51,340 Isn't that amazing? 930 00:44:51,450 --> 00:44:54,550 This was a fucking desert, this was nothing. 931 00:44:54,660 --> 00:44:58,620 I love human beings like that who do shit like that. 932 00:44:59,690 --> 00:45:00,790 You know? 933 00:45:01,930 --> 00:45:03,930 I look at this as like a fucking empire. 934 00:45:04,030 --> 00:45:05,480 I'm building it. 935 00:45:05,590 --> 00:45:08,860 Narrator: The speed that porn has transformed the generation 936 00:45:08,970 --> 00:45:11,590 has shown us the enormous power of the internet, 937 00:45:11,690 --> 00:45:15,790 and the scale of an industry that is constantly evolving. 938 00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:18,070 But perhaps it tells us something else? 939 00:45:18,170 --> 00:45:20,520 Something about us. 940 00:45:20,620 --> 00:45:23,340 The thing that drives the demand for adult stuff 941 00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:27,100 is the actual drive in us as human beings 942 00:45:27,210 --> 00:45:29,000 that keeps us fucking alive. 943 00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:32,140 It's basically the sex drive, 944 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:35,310 so it's actually the life force itself of human beings 945 00:45:35,410 --> 00:45:37,900 that is the demand for this product. 946 00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:42,450 That shit will never stop. 947 00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:44,550 Captioned by Ai-Media ai-media.tv 74760

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