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- Previously on
"Thomas Jefferson"...
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- In 1779, when the war
is making its way south,
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Thomas Jefferson
is elected governor
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of the new Commonwealth
of Virginia.
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- It's a chess match.
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British want to capture
the governor of Virginia.
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Jefferson is the prize.
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- And then Jefferson
has to flee.
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The citizens of Virginia
think he's left his duty
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at the moment of great peril.
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- Which led him
to a lifetime of regret
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about what he had left undone
in those governor years.
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- So the revolution ends
after the Battle of Yorktown.
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And he's disillusioned
and exits public life
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to live with his family.
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- But he can't just stay home.
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Somewhere he has to be part
of creating a new world.
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[exciting orchestral music]
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- In September 1783,
Benjamin Franklin, John Adams,
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and John Jay signed
the Treaty of Paris
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in the city
for which it is named.
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The agreement effectively
ends the Revolutionary War
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and catapults the new
United States of America
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onto the world stage.
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But while his fellow
forefathers established
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diplomatic ties overseas,
Thomas Jefferson
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remains at Monticello,
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mourning the tragic loss
of his wife.
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- This is a blow which
is very, very difficult
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for him to recover from,
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but in an attempt
to save their friend,
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his friends in Virginia,
particularly James Madison,
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arrange for him to be posted
as a diplomat abroad.
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?
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Paris is very attractive
to Jefferson in many respects
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because, as somebody
who considers himself
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an enlightened philosophe
and as somebody
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who studied French
throughout his life,
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France held a special place
in Jefferson's heart.
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- And so Jefferson goes
to get the French
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to go all in to support
this upstart idea
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of the United States
of America.
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- Because France is also
important diplomatically.
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Britain would like to separate
the United States from France,
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and the French
are aware of this.
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So it's an interesting
moment for him
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to serve as a diplomat.
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?
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He arrives at the court
of Louis XVI
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and Marie Antoinette
at a point
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when that court is the most
important court in Europe.
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And it's characterized
by excesses and glamour.
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But there's a great deal
of unease and discord
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really brewing.
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We're a few years off
from the French Revolution,
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but the underlying causes
of that revolution,
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the disparities of wealth,
are there.
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- Paris is alive at this point
with revolutionary fervor.
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When he gets to Paris,
we are on the cusp
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of a world-changing event.
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- On July 5, 1784, Jefferson,
his oldest daughter, Martha,
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and his enslaved chef,
James Hemings,
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arrive in Paris.
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- It's the most opulent place
he'd ever lived in.
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He is in love
with the architecture,
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and he talks about going
to the Hotel de Salm
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and gazing at it like
a lover at his mistress.
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?
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He bought all the wine,
and he bought all the food.
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- Paris offered all the things
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that the real Jefferson
really loved,
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music, theater, the arts.
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He sent home crates of stuff,
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paintings, books.
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This was a material,
consumer engagement
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with the City of Light.
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- A lot of the things
that define him
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and the qualities
of his personality
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are best put to use precisely
in an appointment
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like ambassador to France
because Jefferson carries
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the influence
of those intimate dinners
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of Virginia society forward
into a dinner table diplomacy,
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where Jefferson saw how
to work things out
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of small groups.
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There's
the interpersonal politics
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within a court context.
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There's no direct conflict.
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There is a wooing of people
around dinner tables.
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He hits his stride in France.
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- While Jefferson
expertly maneuvers
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around the French court,
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he still grieves the loss
of his beloved wife
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and finds himself unable
to connect again romantically.
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- The French women
were kind of scary to him.
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He saw the French men and
women had adulterous affairs
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right and left.
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And so he professed to be
disappointed that marriage
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wasn't based on affection,
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as he believed it was
in his world.
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- He says, young American men
shouldn't come to France
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when they're too young
because they're
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going to be seduced by women.
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They'll be corrupted.
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But if you're in your 40s,
like me, it's OK
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because we have
enough republican fiber
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to resist this.
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- But then he became
involved with Maria Cosway,
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an artist who was married.
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- Maria's husband, Richard,
served as the painter
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for the Prince of Wales.
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Unlike most of the women
Jefferson had met,
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who never left rural Virginia,
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Maria is cultured
and cosmopolitan.
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He becomes enamored of her.
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- She spoke a musical
m�lange of languages.
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They went to museums together,
went to the countryside,
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where they were able
to spend time alone.
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And it is here that Jefferson
fell on his right wrist
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and fractured it.
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So as she was about
to leave with her husband
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to England, Jefferson,
who was by this time
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tremendously smitten by her,
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he writes the famous 12-page
"Head and Heart" letter.
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It must have taken him
an entire day,
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writing painstakingly
with his left hand.
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- In the letter, Jefferson's
heart pines for Cosway,
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while his head
chastises his heart
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for forming
emotional attachments
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that can only result
in the pain of loss.
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"Head, well, friend, you
seem to be in a pretty trim.
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"Heart, I am indeed
the most wretched
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"of all earthly beings,
overwhelmed with grief,
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"every fiber
of my frame distended
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beyond its natural
powers to bear."
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- The heart disputes
the head's formula,
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saying, without one generous
spasm of the heart,
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nothing is worth anything.
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The heart wins the argument.
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All in all, it gives us
a lot of intimate detail
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about the way
Jefferson perceived himself.
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It was a testament to
his own capacity for feeling.
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- And at some point,
she writes to him,
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and he doesn't
answer these letters
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for long stretches of time.
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So he was infatuated with her,
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but it sort of cooled
at some point.
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- As Jefferson's
feelings for Maria wane,
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he continues to wine and dine
the French court.
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Meanwhile,
across the Atlantic,
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his fellow founding fathers
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begin to debate
what the laws and tenets
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of the new American
government will be.
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And then in May 1787,
55 delegates from 12 states
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meet in Philadelphia at what
will eventually be known
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as the Constitutional
Convention.
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- Jefferson
and John Adams miss it.
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- Adams is also serving
as an ambassador overseas,
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getting loans
from the Dutch and the British.
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- Jefferson called
the Constitutional Convention
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an assembly of demigods.
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One wonders--in the same way
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that we don't
have tone in email,
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we don't have tone
in mail from the 18th century--
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whether he was being
sarcastic or not.
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He's aware of what's
going to happen,
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and he follows the events
to the extent he can,
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but it's very difficult
because there's almost
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no information coming
out of Philadelphia
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during the summer of 1787.
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Now, his relationship
with his protege and ally,
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James Madison,
was very, very close.
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And Madison is going
to be the architect
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of the federal Constitution
in Philadelphia.
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So Jefferson plays
an indirect but important role
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via his correspondence
with Madison,
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particularly sending him
hundreds and hundreds of books
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relating to the history
of republics,
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and confederacies,
and constitutions.
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Jefferson's fear is
they're going to be restoring
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monarchy to the United States.
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- But, remember,
this is a 4-mile-an-hour world.
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And Jefferson is receiving
information from Madison,
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but the information is
not happening overnight.
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It takes eight weeks
to sail across the Atlantic.
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- And so when Madison
sends him the Constitution,
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he's disappointed because
Jefferson sort of says,
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well, meh, it's OK.
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Madison's saying,
I'm tearing my hair out.
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I sweated blood over this.
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Jefferson says,
well, it could be improved.
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- And one of the reasons why
Jefferson had mixed feelings
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about the Constitution
is he didn't see
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the Constitution as being
essential to the creation
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of a more perfect union.
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In fact, he thought,
if you got it wrong,
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it would actually drive
the states apart.
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- He's a little worried
about the strength
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of the presidency.
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And he's very concerned
about the absence
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of a Bill of Rights.
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- Jefferson is adamant
that the government guarantee
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personal liberties,
such as freedom of religion,
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freedom of the press,
and trial by jury.
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The Bill of Rights,
enshrining these values,
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will be ratified
four years later in 1791.
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- Jefferson also writes
that constitutions
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should be temporary,
and they shouldn't last
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more than 19 years,
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and every generation
should govern itself.
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- He says, how can
you own a constitution
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from some dead generation
from decades ago?
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- But people
like James Madison,
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who know how hard it was
to work out a compromise, say,
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has this guy lost it?
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How is it possible
that this person
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doesn't realize how
hard it is to create
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political compromise?
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- So he says,
you know, we could
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have a second convention.
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But Madison
and his fellow founders,
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they say, don't mess with it.
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- The Constitution is
ratified in September 1787.
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And eventually,
Jefferson comes to support it.
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But as he comes to terms
with its compromises,
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across the Atlantic,
a surprising visitor prepares
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for a life-changing journey.
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- Throughout 1787,
while the nuances
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of the new American laws
are debated in the States,
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Jefferson continues to foster
diplomatic relationships
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and raise his 15-year-old
daughter in France.
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- When Jefferson
was sent to France,
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he took with him
his oldest daughter, Martha.
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But he left his two
other daughters home.
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?
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- In 1784,
his younger daughter, Lucy,
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died of smallpox.
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?
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And he is missing
his other daughter, Maria.
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?
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And so in 1787, Jefferson
insists that his daughter
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Maria come to France.
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?
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- And he says,
"She should come
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with a careful Negro woman,
such as Isabel."
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And Isabel Hern was 28, 29,
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but she was pregnant
at this time.
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And instead,
they send Sally Hemings,
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who is at the time
14 years old.
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?
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- Sally Hemings' parents
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are Elizabeth Hemings,
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who's an enslaved woman,
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a matriarch of the enslaved
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community at Monticello,
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and John Wayles, who was
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Thomas Jefferson's
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father-in-law.
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So that makes Sally Hemings,
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Martha Jefferson,
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Thomas Jefferson's late wife,
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makes them half-sisters.
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?
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- So 14-year-old
Sally Hemings,
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who has known Virginia
her whole life,
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is asked to be the company
for young Maria Jefferson
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on this weeks at sea
and then arrival in France.
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?
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- In July of 1787,
Thomas Jefferson
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and his eldest daughter,
Martha,
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welcome
his eight-year-old daughter,
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Maria, and Sally Hemings
to the City of Lights.
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?
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- There will be
dramatic changes
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in both his and Sally Hemings'
personal life
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during his time in Paris.
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- When they get to Paris,
Sally Hemings
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is very quickly thrust
into a position
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that many Americans,
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especially
the enslaved people,
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were never in.
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She traveled over the ocean
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and into this
unfamiliar territory.
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- She'd come from an extremely
rural place to a metropolis.
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?
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Paris was a very active place.
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So it would have been
a very exciting time for her
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but kind of scary.
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?
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- She's by herself.
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She's got an older brother,
but he's also hired out,
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training to become
a professional chef.
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?
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She can't speak French.
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And the only people
that she knows
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are Jefferson
and his daughters.
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?
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And so her world in France
would have been
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pretty confusing
because Jefferson is attempting
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to conceal that he
has enslaved people in France
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because French law
actually prohibits
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enslaved people in the city.
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- Although slavery isn't
officially outlawed in France
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until 1794,
the Freedom Principle
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had long held
that any enslaved person
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who set foot on French soil
was considered free.
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?
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After the Enlightenment,
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slavery fell
out of fashion in Paris.
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And the number of enslaved
who sued for their freedom
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nearly doubled between 1762
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and when Sally Hemings
arrives in 1787.
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?
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- Both of the Hemingses could
have sued for their freedom.
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?
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- So Jefferson has
to grapple with the rights
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they have in France
that they would
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not have in the United States.
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- Jefferson writes,
saying that the law
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is on the side
of the enslaved person.
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And there's nothing
you can do if they
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find out that they are free.
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?
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- It will be difficult,
if not impossible,
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to interrupt the course
of the law.
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Nevertheless,
I have known an instance
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where a person
bringing in a slave
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and saying nothing
about it has not been
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disturbed in his possession.
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- The person Jefferson
refers to in the letter
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is of course himself.
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He can only hope
that the language barrier
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is enough to keep
Sally and James unaware
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of their options
while they're in France.
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- Because if she'd gone to
the Admiralty Court and said,
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this man is trying
to keep me from my freedom,
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it would have been a disaster
for his reputation.
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And Jefferson has his status
as the apostle of liberty
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among all these other people
who admire him in France.
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That would be damaged
irrevocably if they knew
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he had enslaved people
with him.
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That would have been
a huge embarrassment.
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And so because he kept
a record of every transaction
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that he made,
we know eventually
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he begins to pay wages
because he understands
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that it's a different status
than if they were in Virginia.
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And so at that point,
she begins living a life
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that was unlike anything
that she probably could
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have imagined
before that time period.
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?
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- Sally Hemings becomes
the maid for his daughters.
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?
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So she would have had
to have been in society
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accompanying her charges.
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?
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- But we don't
really even know exactly
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what Sally is doing all day
because the girls
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are in school.
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But we might extrapolate
from research,
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she eventually went
from being the lady's maid
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to Jefferson's daughters
to being a chambermaid
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because she's being paid
with the servants
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at the Hotel de Langeac,
which is Jefferson's residence.
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And then in 1789,
when she's 16 years old,
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Jefferson starts buying her
a good amount of clothing.
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Before, he's just
paying her the salary,
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but then he's
buying clothes for her.
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- Jefferson's in his 40s.
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His wife has died.
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He is used to having people
around him who tend his body,
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who dress him and undress him.
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It's clear
that Sally and Jefferson
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begin a sexual relationship.
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?
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- When exactly
Thomas Jefferson begins
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his sexual relationship
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with the enslaved
Sally Hemings is unknown,
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00:18:33,833 --> 00:18:36,500
but it is clear
that the physical relationship
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begins while she is in France,
between 1787 and 1789,
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when she would have been
between 14 and 16 years old.
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[dramatic music]
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- There is no ethical landscape
in our world today that says
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that a sexual relationship
between a 40-year-old male
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and a 16-year-old
enslaved female is OK.
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It's an unequal
power relationship.
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That is absolutely certain.
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But many people
in early Virginia
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got married at the age of 16,
men and women.
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Some people got
married younger.
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It was not the scandal
in the 18th century
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that certainly it
would be today.
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- It's hard for us.
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This is so out of bounds,
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but it wasn't out of bounds
at that time.
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I'm talking
about the age part of it.
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The slavery part,
that's always a problem.
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?
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00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:34,708
- There has been
much speculation
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about the nature of Sally
and Jefferson's relationship.
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Many historians have
presented theories
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that there was a deep
affection between them,
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possibly even love.
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00:19:46,708 --> 00:19:49,792
- Her grandchildren say
Mr. Jefferson loved her dearly.
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They don't talk
about what she felt about him.
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00:19:52,792 --> 00:19:55,417
?
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00:19:55,583 --> 00:19:59,958
- Does she feel
flattered and adored?
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00:20:00,083 --> 00:20:03,833
Or does she feel like
she has no choice
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because,
after all, he owns her?
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00:20:06,583 --> 00:20:08,625
?
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00:20:08,708 --> 00:20:10,375
We don't know.
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I think for somebody to say
that it is a deep love affair
436
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is to make up a story
437
00:20:19,167 --> 00:20:21,792
because we don't have
any evidence.
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00:20:21,958 --> 00:20:24,000
- Sally Hemings,
being an enslaved woman,
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could not have consented.
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She could not have
refused his advances.
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There's a gross imbalance
of power.
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00:20:29,875 --> 00:20:31,333
?
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- To think about love
and to think about things
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in that way without thinking
about the vulnerability
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in the position
that particularly
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enslaved women were in,
447
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it makes it a very,
very fraught subject.
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00:20:44,292 --> 00:20:47,208
- And I don't know how
we position a story
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that is rooted in such
an exploitative relationship
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as something benevolent,
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as something
that was good for her.
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?
453
00:20:56,167 --> 00:20:58,833
- As Jefferson navigates
his complicated relationship
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with Sally Hemings,
unrest between France's
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sharply distinct classes
escalates.
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00:21:05,708 --> 00:21:07,333
?
457
00:21:07,458 --> 00:21:10,833
In April 1789,
the tension comes to a head
458
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when factory riots lead
to the death of 25 people
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at the hands of police.
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00:21:16,917 --> 00:21:18,167
?
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In the wake
of the American Revolution,
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Jefferson can see the signs
of a burgeoning crisis
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in France and wants
to understand its roots.
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?
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- Something was rotten
in the state of France.
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This was a period of the
crisis of the French monarchy.
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Things were not
working all that well.
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The monopolies, the abuses
of the French aristocracy,
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the barriers to free exchange,
all of these things
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were impoverishing
the French people.
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00:21:45,875 --> 00:21:49,000
?
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- Jefferson at one point goes
to visit a peasant's hovel.
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On one hand, he provides us
with an account which explains
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the conditions
that are going to lead
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to the French Revolution.
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On the other hand,
think of this poor peasant
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who this ambassador
is kind of examining
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his house as though
he's visiting, you know,
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a scientific exhibit.
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00:22:09,667 --> 00:22:12,208
- Jefferson really believes
that the more
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the economic interests
of the government
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00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,375
are aligned with the economic
interests of elites,
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the more likely it is that
the liberties and opportunities
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for ordinary people to pursue
life, liberty, and happiness
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would be limited.
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It's ironic because Jefferson
was an elite member
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of the Virginia gentry.
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But he saw firsthand,
French peasants
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barely had enough to eat while
the elite lived in grandeur.
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00:22:41,833 --> 00:22:45,792
- And for Jefferson,
this was all proof
491
00:22:45,958 --> 00:22:50,375
that the old regime
in Europe was corrupt,
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00:22:50,542 --> 00:22:52,875
and America was better
because poor people
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00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,375
were better off in America,
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if you don't factor in
the enslaved people, of course.
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00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:58,500
?
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00:22:58,583 --> 00:23:02,708
- Then the revolutionary
struggle becomes hotter,
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00:23:02,875 --> 00:23:05,708
and hotter, and hotter,
and sort of explodes.
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00:23:05,875 --> 00:23:07,417
?
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00:23:07,542 --> 00:23:11,083
- In May 1789, the French
Revolution officially
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begins when riots break
out at the Etats G�n�raux,
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00:23:15,208 --> 00:23:18,750
an assembly of representatives
from the feuding classes.
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00:23:18,917 --> 00:23:21,917
More than a hundred people
are killed in the mayhem.
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00:23:22,042 --> 00:23:23,667
- The revolution was
underway and would have
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00:23:23,792 --> 00:23:25,667
followed its course whether
he'd been there or not,
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00:23:25,792 --> 00:23:28,458
but he does host meetings with
some of the revolutionaries.
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00:23:28,625 --> 00:23:32,625
I mean, you can't escape it
in Paris in 1789.
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00:23:32,708 --> 00:23:35,292
- Jefferson drafts
a Charter of Rights
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with his friend,
Marquis de Lafayette,
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00:23:37,875 --> 00:23:41,500
a French aristocrat who fought
in the American Revolution.
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00:23:41,625 --> 00:23:45,542
In August, just a month after
French insurgents stormed
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00:23:45,667 --> 00:23:48,625
a medieval political prison
known as the Bastille,
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00:23:48,750 --> 00:23:50,833
Lafayette
and other French liberals
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00:23:50,917 --> 00:23:54,542
meet secretly
at Jefferson's home to discuss
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00:23:54,708 --> 00:23:57,417
a new French constitution.
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00:23:57,542 --> 00:23:59,833
- He says, "The Republican
movement in France
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is a continuation
of our revolution."
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So when other Americans
are put off by the terror
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00:24:06,583 --> 00:24:10,667
and because now there had
been violence, Jefferson says,
519
00:24:10,833 --> 00:24:12,958
no, we've got to support this.
520
00:24:13,042 --> 00:24:16,708
This was part of a global
movement for liberty.
521
00:24:16,875 --> 00:24:18,500
?
522
00:24:18,625 --> 00:24:21,875
- But in September, five years
after arriving in Paris,
523
00:24:22,083 --> 00:24:25,667
watching yet another violent
revolution erupt around him,
524
00:24:25,833 --> 00:24:30,250
Jefferson wonders if it
may be time to return home.
525
00:24:30,375 --> 00:24:32,958
?
526
00:24:37,208 --> 00:24:39,750
- In September of 1789,
527
00:24:39,875 --> 00:24:43,042
as the French Revolution
gains steam,
528
00:24:43,167 --> 00:24:46,917
Jefferson decides
it's time to return home.
529
00:24:47,083 --> 00:24:50,500
- When it's time to come home,
Jefferson has the idea
530
00:24:50,625 --> 00:24:53,667
that he's going
to take Sally and her brother,
531
00:24:53,792 --> 00:24:56,167
James Hemings,
back to Monticello with him.
532
00:24:56,333 --> 00:24:58,417
[dramatic music]
533
00:24:58,542 --> 00:25:00,208
- Despite Jefferson's
best efforts
534
00:25:00,333 --> 00:25:02,125
to keep Sally
and James in the dark
535
00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:04,500
about French slavery laws,
536
00:25:04,583 --> 00:25:06,375
they are both aware
of the choices
537
00:25:06,542 --> 00:25:08,208
they now have.
538
00:25:08,375 --> 00:25:10,667
- So the decision
would have been,
539
00:25:10,875 --> 00:25:13,958
do you stay in France,
where you have freedom?
540
00:25:14,083 --> 00:25:18,125
Or do you return
to slavery in the States?
541
00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:21,708
- Sally Hemings decides
that she was free in France,
542
00:25:21,875 --> 00:25:25,500
she was enjoying herself,
and she wanted to stay there.
543
00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:29,000
- But Jefferson pleads
with Sally to return
544
00:25:29,125 --> 00:25:30,667
to Monticello with him.
545
00:25:30,792 --> 00:25:32,750
?
546
00:25:32,875 --> 00:25:35,000
- And so Jefferson
is forced into a position
547
00:25:35,208 --> 00:25:39,167
of negotiating for what that
relationship is going to be.
548
00:25:39,333 --> 00:25:41,208
- Historians can't prove this.
549
00:25:41,375 --> 00:25:44,167
To produce documents
with her name,
550
00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:46,583
telling people how he was
going to take care of her,
551
00:25:46,750 --> 00:25:47,958
it would have
been an admission.
552
00:25:48,083 --> 00:25:51,208
But this is one of the things
that historians
553
00:25:51,333 --> 00:25:53,000
say is likely true.
554
00:25:53,167 --> 00:25:55,833
Jefferson promises her
she would have a good life
555
00:25:55,958 --> 00:25:58,625
at Monticello and that
any children she had
556
00:25:58,750 --> 00:26:01,500
would be freed
when they were 21.
557
00:26:01,708 --> 00:26:03,833
She agrees to that.
558
00:26:03,958 --> 00:26:07,042
And she decides
to come home with him.
559
00:26:07,208 --> 00:26:08,500
?
560
00:26:08,625 --> 00:26:11,708
- I'm in awe of Sally Hemings,
561
00:26:11,833 --> 00:26:14,417
the courage
this young woman showed
562
00:26:14,542 --> 00:26:18,667
to stand up to the man
who owned her,
563
00:26:18,792 --> 00:26:21,458
to tell one of the most
powerful people in the world
564
00:26:21,583 --> 00:26:23,667
the terms on which
she would do something.
565
00:26:23,875 --> 00:26:25,250
?
566
00:26:25,375 --> 00:26:28,167
- Even though I imagine
she knew once she comes back
567
00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:31,333
to Virginia he could say,
nah, never mind,
568
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:34,500
he could die,
and it was a huge risk.
569
00:26:34,625 --> 00:26:36,792
?
570
00:26:36,917 --> 00:26:38,542
And so people ask me
all the time,
571
00:26:38,708 --> 00:26:40,375
well, why did she do that?
572
00:26:40,542 --> 00:26:42,292
But you have
to think about choice
573
00:26:42,375 --> 00:26:45,167
under those circumstances.
574
00:26:45,250 --> 00:26:46,458
- She was far from her mother.
575
00:26:46,667 --> 00:26:48,333
She was far from her family.
576
00:26:48,542 --> 00:26:52,792
It's not as simple
as slavery or freedom.
577
00:26:52,875 --> 00:26:54,917
?
578
00:26:55,083 --> 00:26:58,250
- And I don't know
that France would
579
00:26:58,375 --> 00:27:01,958
have been a real viable
solution to her at the time.
580
00:27:02,125 --> 00:27:03,500
?
581
00:27:03,708 --> 00:27:07,458
When the French Revolution
is emerging in France,
582
00:27:07,542 --> 00:27:12,125
what choices would she have
had as a young Black woman
583
00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:13,500
not of an adult age?
584
00:27:13,708 --> 00:27:16,500
Where was she going
to live in France, with whom?
585
00:27:16,625 --> 00:27:17,750
- And that's a dilemma
586
00:27:17,917 --> 00:27:20,000
that a number
of enslaved people faced,
587
00:27:20,167 --> 00:27:22,917
even when people were deciding
whether to take their freedom
588
00:27:23,042 --> 00:27:25,750
or run away when they
were in the United States.
589
00:27:25,917 --> 00:27:28,667
It's great to be free,
but would you want
590
00:27:28,833 --> 00:27:31,292
to be away from your family?
591
00:27:31,417 --> 00:27:33,750
?
592
00:27:33,875 --> 00:27:37,167
- Well, here's what some
of the descendants and I feel.
593
00:27:37,292 --> 00:27:39,083
We don't know.
There's no documentation.
594
00:27:39,208 --> 00:27:40,750
?
595
00:27:40,875 --> 00:27:45,625
But we think
that she wanted to come back.
596
00:27:45,708 --> 00:27:47,542
But she was really smart.
597
00:27:47,667 --> 00:27:52,000
And she thought,
this man wants to be with me.
598
00:27:52,167 --> 00:27:54,708
And she exercised
her own agency
599
00:27:54,875 --> 00:27:58,792
because, by the way,
Sally Hemings was pregnant.
600
00:27:58,917 --> 00:28:05,917
?
601
00:28:07,417 --> 00:28:09,833
- In September 1789,
602
00:28:09,917 --> 00:28:12,667
Jefferson returns home
to Virginia
603
00:28:12,833 --> 00:28:15,917
with his enslaved mistress,
Sally Hemings.
604
00:28:16,042 --> 00:28:19,167
- When she's 17,
Sally Hemings gives birth
605
00:28:19,292 --> 00:28:20,708
to her first child.
606
00:28:20,833 --> 00:28:22,833
The child died.
607
00:28:22,917 --> 00:28:26,833
But her relations
with Jefferson would continue.
608
00:28:27,042 --> 00:28:30,458
- Jefferson moves Sally
from enslaved quarters
609
00:28:30,625 --> 00:28:33,500
to a stone room
below Monticello
610
00:28:33,625 --> 00:28:35,708
so that she can be closer
to his room
611
00:28:35,875 --> 00:28:38,417
in the main mansion.
612
00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:41,500
- Sally negotiated
with Jefferson
613
00:28:41,583 --> 00:28:43,083
an easier life for herself
614
00:28:43,208 --> 00:28:46,167
within Monticello's
plantation system.
615
00:28:46,375 --> 00:28:48,833
- And so Sally Hemings
becomes a seamstress,
616
00:28:49,042 --> 00:28:51,208
which is relatively
light labor compared
617
00:28:51,333 --> 00:28:54,167
to what other enslaved women
would have been doing.
618
00:28:54,375 --> 00:28:57,667
- Sally will occupy
her quarters under Monticello
619
00:28:57,792 --> 00:29:00,333
for the next 40 years.
620
00:29:00,417 --> 00:29:02,458
Over the course of that time,
621
00:29:02,583 --> 00:29:05,000
she will bear
six more children.
622
00:29:05,083 --> 00:29:07,750
- Her children
are able to remain with her,
623
00:29:07,875 --> 00:29:10,042
which is different
than a lot of enslaved women.
624
00:29:10,167 --> 00:29:12,667
And there's a lot more work
that I think the Hemings
625
00:29:12,875 --> 00:29:15,375
are largely spared from
because of their position
626
00:29:15,542 --> 00:29:17,792
within the enslaved community.
627
00:29:17,958 --> 00:29:19,500
- Was there hierarchy?
628
00:29:19,667 --> 00:29:21,792
Yes, there was hierarchy.
629
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,417
We must always remember,
members of the Hemings family
630
00:29:25,542 --> 00:29:28,292
were related to their owners.
631
00:29:28,375 --> 00:29:30,833
We know that other Hemings
siblings were related
632
00:29:30,958 --> 00:29:32,792
to Jefferson's wife's father.
633
00:29:32,875 --> 00:29:37,000
And, as a result,
they were light-skinned people.
634
00:29:37,208 --> 00:29:41,333
- In the 1790s,
the Duke of Rochefoucauld
635
00:29:41,542 --> 00:29:42,792
comes to Monticello.
636
00:29:42,917 --> 00:29:45,833
And he reports
that there are some members
637
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,875
of the enslaved families
who are just as white,
638
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,458
if not even whiter, than he is.
639
00:29:52,583 --> 00:29:54,667
?
640
00:29:54,750 --> 00:30:00,458
- Yes, many of the enslaved
people related to their owners
641
00:30:00,542 --> 00:30:02,333
had privileges.
642
00:30:02,458 --> 00:30:05,875
And so unfortunately, this idea
643
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,667
that the lighter your skin is,
644
00:30:09,833 --> 00:30:15,292
the closer you are
to privileged people continues
645
00:30:15,375 --> 00:30:17,250
to plague our society.
646
00:30:17,375 --> 00:30:18,875
?
647
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,958
- We need
to challenge ourselves
648
00:30:21,042 --> 00:30:24,292
about our understanding
about race and beauty
649
00:30:24,417 --> 00:30:27,167
and how it affects
how we view history.
650
00:30:27,333 --> 00:30:30,750
Even though we embrace
our multiculturalism today,
651
00:30:30,875 --> 00:30:35,583
we still do rank
our multiculturalism.
652
00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:37,375
Our fascination
with Sally Hemings
653
00:30:37,458 --> 00:30:40,833
has a lot to do
with our exoticism of her.
654
00:30:41,042 --> 00:30:44,375
If she had been
an African woman
655
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:49,208
unmixed by any European blood,
I think that it might have
656
00:30:49,333 --> 00:30:53,750
been even more cause
for consternation.
657
00:30:53,875 --> 00:30:58,875
She's accepted now
as having been his mistress.
658
00:30:59,042 --> 00:31:03,667
But I often wonder if it's
not qualified by the fact
659
00:31:03,833 --> 00:31:08,000
that she is,
by many standards, half white.
660
00:31:08,208 --> 00:31:13,625
I wonder if we would
be able to accept him
661
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:16,583
having a sexual relationship
with a woman
662
00:31:16,667 --> 00:31:18,500
who was not mixed race.
663
00:31:18,625 --> 00:31:20,250
?
664
00:31:20,375 --> 00:31:23,167
- While Jefferson settles
into a quiet life
665
00:31:23,333 --> 00:31:28,042
with Sally at Monticello,
the new American government
666
00:31:28,208 --> 00:31:30,792
under its first president
is beginning
667
00:31:30,917 --> 00:31:33,917
to take shape without him.
668
00:31:37,958 --> 00:31:39,000
[dramatic music]
669
00:31:39,042 --> 00:31:41,292
- In April 1789,
670
00:31:41,375 --> 00:31:43,583
while Jefferson
was still in Paris,
671
00:31:43,708 --> 00:31:47,375
his friend and fellow
Virginian George Washington
672
00:31:47,542 --> 00:31:50,542
had been sworn in
as the first president
673
00:31:50,708 --> 00:31:52,375
of the United States.
674
00:31:52,542 --> 00:31:55,375
And all of the most powerful
voices of the revolution
675
00:31:55,542 --> 00:31:58,333
are vying for seats
in his cabinet.
676
00:31:58,417 --> 00:32:00,375
?
677
00:32:00,542 --> 00:32:04,333
- Washington is a president
without precedent.
678
00:32:04,375 --> 00:32:07,458
He is filling in the role
of president
679
00:32:07,542 --> 00:32:10,292
with only the broadest outlines
being established
680
00:32:10,417 --> 00:32:11,333
by the Constitution.
681
00:32:11,542 --> 00:32:14,000
- He wants Jefferson
to be secretary of state,
682
00:32:14,125 --> 00:32:16,125
particularly because Jefferson
683
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:19,250
has all this international
experience as a diplomat.
684
00:32:19,375 --> 00:32:23,833
But Washington has to beg
Jefferson to take the job.
685
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,292
And he sends
James Madison to see him.
686
00:32:27,417 --> 00:32:29,833
He says, hey,
are you going to accept this?
687
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,625
And Jefferson says,
I'm not sure.
688
00:32:33,708 --> 00:32:37,333
And Madison has to tell
Washington to ask him again.
689
00:32:37,458 --> 00:32:38,583
?
690
00:32:38,708 --> 00:32:40,875
This is testimony
to how highly Washington
691
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,250
thought of Jefferson.
692
00:32:42,417 --> 00:32:43,875
He sort of bites his lip
and writes to him again
693
00:32:44,042 --> 00:32:47,875
and says, please serve
as secretary of state.
694
00:32:48,042 --> 00:32:50,250
The country really needs you.
695
00:32:50,375 --> 00:32:53,000
And Jefferson goes,
well, if you really want me,
696
00:32:53,125 --> 00:32:54,583
I guess I'll do it.
697
00:32:54,708 --> 00:32:56,250
?
698
00:32:56,375 --> 00:33:00,375
- Jefferson had intended to
eventually return to France,
699
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:04,667
but in March of 1790, he heads
to the new U.S. capital
700
00:33:04,833 --> 00:33:08,667
in New York City to serve
in America's first cabinet
701
00:33:08,792 --> 00:33:11,417
alongside
his soon-to-be rival,
702
00:33:11,542 --> 00:33:15,083
Revolutionary War hero
Alexander Hamilton.
703
00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:16,417
?
704
00:33:16,542 --> 00:33:19,167
- Hamilton, Washington's
young aide de camp,
705
00:33:19,333 --> 00:33:22,000
is tapped
as Treasury secretary.
706
00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:24,875
Now, Hamilton and Jefferson
famously feuded
707
00:33:25,083 --> 00:33:27,042
throughout most
of their adult life.
708
00:33:27,208 --> 00:33:29,250
And one of Hamilton's
attacks on Jefferson
709
00:33:29,417 --> 00:33:33,958
was that he was an elite
who talked about populism.
710
00:33:34,083 --> 00:33:36,167
And Jefferson looked
down on Hamilton
711
00:33:36,292 --> 00:33:37,667
as an immigrant upstart.
712
00:33:37,875 --> 00:33:40,250
- Fundamentally,
each believes the other
713
00:33:40,375 --> 00:33:44,167
represents an existential
threat to the republic.
714
00:33:44,292 --> 00:33:45,250
?
715
00:33:45,375 --> 00:33:46,958
Hamilton believes
that Jefferson
716
00:33:47,042 --> 00:33:49,708
wants to overthrow all order.
717
00:33:49,833 --> 00:33:52,167
Jefferson believes
that Hamilton is restoring
718
00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:54,292
monarchy to the United States.
719
00:33:54,417 --> 00:33:56,667
- Jefferson is
horrified to realize
720
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:59,375
that the system of government
that has been set up
721
00:33:59,542 --> 00:34:02,833
while he was in France
seems to be heading
722
00:34:02,958 --> 00:34:05,500
towards more centralized power,
723
00:34:05,667 --> 00:34:09,417
what he sees
as a more British direction,
724
00:34:09,542 --> 00:34:12,167
in particular
in Hamilton's plan
725
00:34:12,333 --> 00:34:14,083
to centralize
the federal Treasury
726
00:34:14,208 --> 00:34:17,708
and to begin accumulating debt
to build the United States.
727
00:34:17,875 --> 00:34:19,875
?
728
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,542
- Hamilton's financial plan,
729
00:34:21,667 --> 00:34:23,917
which is modeled
on the Bank of England,
730
00:34:24,083 --> 00:34:26,250
is to consolidate
one national debt
731
00:34:26,375 --> 00:34:30,833
that the Treasury controls
and the government repays.
732
00:34:30,917 --> 00:34:33,958
- It's a system built on
a recognizable British model,
733
00:34:34,042 --> 00:34:36,500
and Jefferson hates that.
734
00:34:36,625 --> 00:34:40,500
And he also wants to get
the cabinet out of New York.
735
00:34:40,625 --> 00:34:42,167
He doesn't like cities.
736
00:34:42,292 --> 00:34:44,250
He doesn't like New York City.
737
00:34:44,375 --> 00:34:48,167
- He believes cities
were sources of corruption.
738
00:34:48,333 --> 00:34:49,708
They were sources
of inequality.
739
00:34:49,875 --> 00:34:51,667
The residents of cities,
in his view,
740
00:34:51,792 --> 00:34:54,375
didn't make good citizens.
741
00:34:54,542 --> 00:34:56,125
- He wants to move
the center of gravity
742
00:34:56,250 --> 00:34:58,000
further towards the south.
743
00:34:58,125 --> 00:35:01,250
And so one of the great
critical compromises
744
00:35:01,417 --> 00:35:04,083
in American history is where,
745
00:35:04,208 --> 00:35:06,375
over dinner
at Jefferson's house,
746
00:35:06,542 --> 00:35:10,000
he brings together
Madison and Hamilton
747
00:35:10,167 --> 00:35:12,333
and negotiates
moving the capital
748
00:35:12,542 --> 00:35:15,250
down to Virginia area
off the Potomac,
749
00:35:15,417 --> 00:35:18,083
but accepting
Hamilton's financial plan
750
00:35:18,292 --> 00:35:20,333
for a more centralized
financial system.
751
00:35:20,458 --> 00:35:24,292
But the banking center
will remain in New York.
752
00:35:24,417 --> 00:35:25,917
In the infamous room
where it happened,
753
00:35:26,042 --> 00:35:27,958
they both got what
they most wanted.
754
00:35:28,042 --> 00:35:29,625
And it ends up
being a pretty good trade
755
00:35:29,708 --> 00:35:30,917
in the fullness of time.
756
00:35:31,042 --> 00:35:32,958
- And so there
was an opportunity there
757
00:35:33,083 --> 00:35:35,333
when they did work
together productively.
758
00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:38,833
- But you get that sense
of the seeds of disagreement
759
00:35:39,042 --> 00:35:41,375
that will really rupture.
760
00:35:41,542 --> 00:35:43,833
- And the differences
between Hamilton and Jefferson
761
00:35:43,958 --> 00:35:46,667
will quickly spread
beyond the cabinet room
762
00:35:46,833 --> 00:35:49,083
to the public at large.
763
00:35:49,208 --> 00:35:51,500
- Despite
their successful compromise,
764
00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:54,708
Jefferson and Hamilton
continue to clash.
765
00:35:54,875 --> 00:35:59,500
And in this divide, America's
two-party political system
766
00:35:59,625 --> 00:36:01,333
is born.
767
00:36:01,458 --> 00:36:05,625
Supporters of Hamilton become
known as the Federalists.
768
00:36:05,792 --> 00:36:08,000
They support
centralized government,
769
00:36:08,208 --> 00:36:11,292
a national bank,
alliance with Britain,
770
00:36:11,417 --> 00:36:15,125
and an economy
based on merchants and trade.
771
00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:17,333
Supporters of Jefferson become
772
00:36:17,417 --> 00:36:19,333
the Democratic
Republican Party.
773
00:36:19,417 --> 00:36:22,333
They support states' rights,
strict interpretation
774
00:36:22,458 --> 00:36:25,875
of the Constitution,
an agricultural economy,
775
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,708
and an alliance with France.
776
00:36:28,833 --> 00:36:31,042
- It's hard for us
to imagine just how
777
00:36:31,208 --> 00:36:33,333
acrimonious the 1790s were.
778
00:36:33,458 --> 00:36:35,292
?
779
00:36:35,375 --> 00:36:37,500
You really had
two opposing parties form,
780
00:36:37,625 --> 00:36:41,167
each of whom thought that
if the other group had power,
781
00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:44,083
the American experiment
would fail.
782
00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:45,542
- Jefferson and Hamilton seem
783
00:36:45,625 --> 00:36:47,000
to be fighting
over everything.
784
00:36:47,125 --> 00:36:48,833
And Jefferson
is telling Washington,
785
00:36:48,958 --> 00:36:50,667
look,
Hamilton's out to get you.
786
00:36:50,792 --> 00:36:52,750
Hamilton's going
to overthrow the republic
787
00:36:52,917 --> 00:36:54,208
and institute a monarchy.
788
00:36:54,417 --> 00:36:56,000
And Washington is saying,
no, he's not going to do that.
789
00:36:56,125 --> 00:36:57,667
?
790
00:36:57,833 --> 00:36:59,333
- Jefferson thought
that Washington
791
00:36:59,458 --> 00:37:00,958
would side with him,
naturally,
792
00:37:01,125 --> 00:37:02,667
because they're
both Virginians.
793
00:37:02,792 --> 00:37:05,458
But Hamilton and Washington had
been through the war together,
794
00:37:05,583 --> 00:37:06,792
and Jefferson had not been.
795
00:37:06,958 --> 00:37:08,292
He admired Washington.
796
00:37:08,458 --> 00:37:12,042
And he wanted to be
the favored son of Washington.
797
00:37:12,208 --> 00:37:14,000
And that didn't happen.
798
00:37:14,208 --> 00:37:15,875
?
799
00:37:20,042 --> 00:37:22,792
[dramatic music]
800
00:37:22,875 --> 00:37:26,833
- In 1793, as the American
government is taking shape,
801
00:37:26,917 --> 00:37:29,458
Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI
802
00:37:29,583 --> 00:37:32,958
are brutally executed
in France.
803
00:37:33,125 --> 00:37:35,000
And once again,
Thomas Jefferson
804
00:37:35,167 --> 00:37:38,792
and Alexander Hamilton find
themselves on opposite sides
805
00:37:38,958 --> 00:37:40,417
of the political fence.
806
00:37:40,542 --> 00:37:41,625
?
807
00:37:41,708 --> 00:37:44,333
- The whole world
was fighting with itself
808
00:37:44,417 --> 00:37:47,125
in the 1790s in the wake
of the French Revolution.
809
00:37:47,250 --> 00:37:51,167
And the reverberations
of the bloodbath
810
00:37:51,292 --> 00:37:53,167
in France were felt in America.
811
00:37:53,292 --> 00:37:54,667
?
812
00:37:54,875 --> 00:37:57,500
- Jefferson feels
the French Revolution is being
813
00:37:57,625 --> 00:37:59,875
inspired by America's example.
814
00:38:00,042 --> 00:38:02,542
And they topple their king,
so much the better,
815
00:38:02,708 --> 00:38:04,375
despite the fact
that the king is the person
816
00:38:04,542 --> 00:38:06,042
who'd bailed out
the United States
817
00:38:06,167 --> 00:38:07,750
during the Revolutionary War.
818
00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:11,083
And Jefferson's idealism
in this regard,
819
00:38:11,208 --> 00:38:15,000
his radicalism
becomes a little bloody.
820
00:38:15,208 --> 00:38:18,792
The statements he makes
excusing the excesses,
821
00:38:18,875 --> 00:38:21,417
the mob
in the French Revolution,
822
00:38:21,583 --> 00:38:24,250
are pretty close
to indefensible.
823
00:38:24,375 --> 00:38:25,500
?
824
00:38:25,667 --> 00:38:28,458
- He writes one
of his most infamous letters
825
00:38:28,625 --> 00:38:32,000
in response
to the French Revolution.
826
00:38:32,125 --> 00:38:34,417
- My own affections have
been deeply wounded
827
00:38:34,625 --> 00:38:37,417
by some of the martyrs
to this cause.
828
00:38:37,542 --> 00:38:39,667
But rather than it
should have failed,
829
00:38:39,792 --> 00:38:42,875
I would have seen half
the Earth desolated.
830
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,500
Were there but an Adam and
an Eve left in every country
831
00:38:46,625 --> 00:38:51,167
and left free, it would be
better than as it is now.
832
00:38:51,375 --> 00:38:53,667
- It doesn't quite say,
you need to break
833
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:55,583
a few eggs to make an omelet,
834
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:57,625
but that's
kind of the thinking.
835
00:38:57,792 --> 00:38:59,750
- He is fine
with a bunch of heads
836
00:38:59,917 --> 00:39:01,792
rolling down in the wake
of a guillotine.
837
00:39:01,917 --> 00:39:04,333
He's an ends-just-the-means
kind of guy
838
00:39:04,417 --> 00:39:06,500
when it comes to liberty.
839
00:39:06,625 --> 00:39:10,542
But Washington, Hamilton, Adams
840
00:39:10,708 --> 00:39:14,333
are much more concerned
that anarchy can turn
841
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:16,667
into a new type of tyranny.
842
00:39:16,833 --> 00:39:20,167
Washington declares a policy
of strict neutrality.
843
00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:22,875
He says, we are not
going to get dragged
844
00:39:23,042 --> 00:39:24,375
into continental squabbles.
845
00:39:24,583 --> 00:39:26,917
We are going to focus
on building our own strength,
846
00:39:27,042 --> 00:39:30,250
economically and militarily,
and expanding and solidifying
847
00:39:30,417 --> 00:39:33,083
our new nation.
848
00:39:33,208 --> 00:39:35,583
Jefferson is
secretary of state,
849
00:39:35,708 --> 00:39:40,375
but he disagrees with his
government's foreign policy.
850
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:42,583
Jefferson crucially
sees neutrality
851
00:39:42,750 --> 00:39:45,958
as aligning the United States
with the British
852
00:39:46,083 --> 00:39:50,375
and is a betrayal of this idea
of an empire of liberty.
853
00:39:50,542 --> 00:39:53,500
- And so Jefferson
starts to engage
854
00:39:53,583 --> 00:39:56,458
in sort of really
kind of dirty politics.
855
00:39:56,625 --> 00:39:58,792
- So there's the "Gazette
of the United States,"
856
00:39:58,875 --> 00:40:02,708
which is
a proadministration organ.
857
00:40:02,875 --> 00:40:07,667
And Jefferson thinks
it needs a counterpoint.
858
00:40:07,833 --> 00:40:11,583
And so there's a critical
excursion up the Hudson River
859
00:40:11,708 --> 00:40:14,708
that Jefferson takes
with Madison.
860
00:40:14,833 --> 00:40:17,417
They stop off and recruit
a newspaper editor
861
00:40:17,542 --> 00:40:19,500
named Philip Freneau,
who had gone to college
862
00:40:19,625 --> 00:40:21,708
at Princeton with Madison,
863
00:40:21,833 --> 00:40:26,292
to be the editor
of a new opposition newspaper.
864
00:40:26,458 --> 00:40:27,833
Philip Freneau
hates the British.
865
00:40:28,042 --> 00:40:30,333
He'd been briefly captured
by them during the war.
866
00:40:30,458 --> 00:40:31,667
But he says, you know what?
867
00:40:31,875 --> 00:40:33,542
I can't make enough money
running a newspaper.
868
00:40:33,667 --> 00:40:35,917
Jefferson says,
don't worry about it.
869
00:40:36,042 --> 00:40:39,375
We'll hire you in the State
Department as a translator.
870
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:43,208
So Jefferson is serving
in the cabinet
871
00:40:43,333 --> 00:40:45,458
as secretary of state,
872
00:40:45,667 --> 00:40:47,833
furious about a foreign policy
he doesn't support.
873
00:40:47,917 --> 00:40:49,500
But not only doesn't
he support it,
874
00:40:49,667 --> 00:40:53,792
he's actively trying to subvert
it by funding and incubating
875
00:40:53,875 --> 00:40:58,167
a new newspaper whose
sole purpose is to attack
876
00:40:58,250 --> 00:41:00,375
the foreign policy
of the government
877
00:41:00,542 --> 00:41:02,833
that he is serving
as secretary of state in.
878
00:41:02,958 --> 00:41:04,292
?
879
00:41:04,458 --> 00:41:06,875
It's close to treasonous.
880
00:41:07,042 --> 00:41:09,708
In any other context,
it would be called just that.
881
00:41:09,875 --> 00:41:12,542
And it is driving
Washington nuts
882
00:41:12,708 --> 00:41:15,958
to see himself being attacked
in the press.
883
00:41:16,083 --> 00:41:20,250
- But Hamilton also
sponsors a newspaper,
884
00:41:20,417 --> 00:41:23,208
which is basically
the party organ
885
00:41:23,375 --> 00:41:25,750
of the Treasury Department.
886
00:41:25,875 --> 00:41:29,542
And so what we see
is the media being used
887
00:41:29,708 --> 00:41:32,125
to mobilize political opinion
in the United States
888
00:41:32,208 --> 00:41:34,792
for the first time.
889
00:41:34,917 --> 00:41:36,667
- They're starting
two political parties
890
00:41:36,792 --> 00:41:37,917
under the nose of Washington
891
00:41:38,083 --> 00:41:40,167
and against
his express wishes.
892
00:41:40,292 --> 00:41:42,667
Washington was not a member
of a political party
893
00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:44,333
as a matter of principle,
894
00:41:44,542 --> 00:41:46,625
our first and only
independent president.
895
00:41:46,708 --> 00:41:49,500
The hope was that people
in Congress
896
00:41:49,667 --> 00:41:51,417
would represent
their conscience
897
00:41:51,542 --> 00:41:53,167
and their constituents,
898
00:41:53,292 --> 00:41:56,583
that they could do this
without retreating to faction.
899
00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:58,083
?
900
00:41:58,167 --> 00:42:01,417
- In 1793,
George Washington begins
901
00:42:01,542 --> 00:42:03,667
his second term as president.
902
00:42:03,833 --> 00:42:06,792
And he, his vice president,
John Adams,
903
00:42:06,875 --> 00:42:09,625
and secretary of the Treasury,
Alexander Hamilton,
904
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:12,125
continue on
with the Federalist initiative
905
00:42:12,292 --> 00:42:14,292
for international neutrality
906
00:42:14,458 --> 00:42:17,417
and a centralized
federal government.
907
00:42:17,542 --> 00:42:20,167
- And so Jefferson
concludes that he's
908
00:42:20,375 --> 00:42:22,167
always the odd man out.
909
00:42:22,333 --> 00:42:25,125
He feels that he's not
getting anything accomplished
910
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:28,542
and that Washington isn't
listening to him anymore.
911
00:42:28,708 --> 00:42:31,667
- He eventually resigns
in a huff.
912
00:42:31,792 --> 00:42:33,125
?
913
00:42:33,250 --> 00:42:37,708
- In December 1793,
Jefferson retires once more
914
00:42:37,917 --> 00:42:40,667
to Monticello
as the country falls deeper
915
00:42:40,833 --> 00:42:43,083
into political divide.
916
00:42:43,208 --> 00:42:47,000
Just 20 years after the Sons
of Liberty threw 46 tons
917
00:42:47,167 --> 00:42:50,500
of tea into Boston Harbor,
the new nation appears
918
00:42:50,667 --> 00:42:53,917
to be charging
toward Civil War.
919
00:42:54,042 --> 00:42:57,083
And despite Thomas Jefferson's
best efforts to remove himself
920
00:42:57,208 --> 00:43:00,333
from the fight,
he will soon be thrust
921
00:43:00,458 --> 00:43:02,333
right back
onto the front lines
922
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:04,417
of dirty partisan politics.
923
00:43:04,542 --> 00:43:09,625
?
924
00:43:09,675 --> 00:43:14,225
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