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Films are always a window
into an era or a time or a place
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or a man's mind.
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And no one was ever really
a more dominant filmmaker
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{\an8}of his era.
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He made
some of the greatest movies
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in the history of cinema.
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And they're foundational...
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...in the craft of cinema,
the way they're made,
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how they're made.
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And they're fucking
great entertainment.
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Want some fireworks?
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{\an8}In behalf of the Academy,
I present you with this award.
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Capra's personal story
is a story about one man
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who overcame a lot of opposition
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to go from being
an Italian peasant
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to a major
American movie director.
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These films I were making
were my way of saying,
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"Thanks, America",
if you can understand
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that kind of a clichรยฉ.
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Gee whiz, so many things
happening all at once.
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{\an8}The kid from Sicily
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{\an8}had developed a way
of showing America
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that all Americans loved.
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{\an8}His career has
an extraordinary decline.
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It's not that you
don't have darkness.
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Real darkness comes forward
in these movies,
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but when we look
into Frank's films
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he says we can endure,
we can survive, we can suffer
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and triumph and live through it.
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It's not a perfect world,
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but there's a place
for you in it.
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That really makes him
America's filmmaker.
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And that's why people watch
It's a Wonderful Life
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every year at Christmas.
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It's not because
they're sentimental.
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It's because
it is a life-saving movie.
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If you find something real
and true in the moment
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in which you're living,
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and you do it well
and entertainingly,
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it will always remain
contemporary and universal.
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I guess this is just another
lost cause, Mr Paine.
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These stories are always
applicable to our lives.
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But they're even more so
when we forget how to hope.
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The world is going through
terrible, terrible turmoil.
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We need to be reminded
that it can still work.
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When you tell us about being
the son of immigrant parents
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and we know about your birth
in Palermo, Italy,
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your Sicilian background,
your arrival in America.
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What propelled you,
what drive was in you?
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It's difficult to look back
and wonder
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and you can only
just conjecture,
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but I did want an education.
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I was ashamed of my parents
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because they couldn't read
or write.
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I wanted to get out
of that ghetto.
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Speaking of the time
when you were 10 years old,
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you said, "I hated being poor,
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"hated the ghetto
and hated America".
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-You were a Sicilian immigrant.
-Yes.
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I came here
when I was six years old
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just old enough to see
and not understand.
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{\an8}He told me the boat journey
was so traumatic and powerful...
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{\an8}...it wiped all the memories
of Sicily out of his mind.
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He didn't understand,
he told me as a kid,
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why his parents
would tear him away
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from their comfortable
surroundings in Sicily.
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Coming over in steerage,
there's no air,
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there's crowded bodies,
there's people being seasick,
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there's a minimum of food.
It's a long trip.
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I would think, an overwhelming
and frightening experience
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for a child.
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When he sat down to write
the story of his life...
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{\an8}...all the things he had done,
the years he had lived,
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{\an8}the first words
he put to paper were,
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{\an8}"I hated being poor".
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I saw the rich people in America
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and I saw the poor people
that we were.
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I saw
my father and mother suffering
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and working
and I saw everybody else.
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And I thought they were much
happier where they came from.
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This was my feeling at the time.
I hated this country.
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I hated how my family
was being treated.
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It was a hard time.
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I don't think his memories
of that time ever left him.
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He found America to be
a dog-eat-dog, tough place.
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He lived in a lower-middle-class
neighbourhood,
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but education was his way out.
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Most kids didn't go
to high school in those days.
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The kids from his social class.
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So he went to
Manual Arts High School,
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he cleaned the blackboards,
you know,
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and he was a janitor
at the school,
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and kids looked down on him
for that.
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And I interviewed
Esther Gleason Schlinger,
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who was the class historian,
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and she said she dated
Frank Capra in high school,
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but her parents broke it up
because he was an immigrant.
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And she said she liked him,
but she said he was a nice boy.
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He was just a terrible wop.
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I really felt anger
on his behalf.
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"Terrible whop",
that's how they saw him.
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That was his first shock
of trying to assimilate
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into the mainstream
in American life.
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Frank Capra did not merely
perceive himself as an outsider.
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In many ways, he was.
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Even at the height
of his fame...
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{\an8}...after all of the accolades
and awards
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{\an8}that he had earned,
Collier's magazine
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{\an8}could run a profile of him
and casually describe him
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with ethnic slurs.
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I said, "When did you stop being
ashamed of your parents?"
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He said, "I haven't yet".
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Capra was from an era
where you were supposed to
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melt down your differences
and become an American,
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which meant obliterating
your past.
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And one of the manifestations
of that
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was he kind of looked down
on his own family.
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The young Capra made it happen.
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He certainly hated
being on the outside,
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being on the bottom,
which he was,
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{\an8}and that rage,
for better and for worse...
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{\an8}...is what's going to propel him
the rest of his life.
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After Frank left college,
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like a lot of people
who go to college,
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he didn't know exactly
what he was going to do next
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and he spent a lot of time doing
odd jobs, travelling around,
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trying different things,
doing different things.
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And this gave him experience
of America.
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This is where my love
for Americans started.
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When I was about 22, 23, 24,
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when I didn't have a job,
I couldn't find job of any kind
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and I did a lot of running
around in Utah and Oregon,
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and California.
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And met the farmers,
the barbers, the poker players,
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and just fell in love
with Americans
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because of their wonderful
independence.
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He bungles his way
toward the film industry
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and, you know,
everybody bungled their way.
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You can't plan to be
in an industry
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that doesn't exist.
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There's almost a gold rush
atmosphere to early Hollywood.
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It was still quite possible
to start at the bottom
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and work your way up.
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And I can see why Frank Capra
would come to a place like that
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and say, "This is for me",
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because that's what
he was looking for.
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A place where he could break in
and remake himself.
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I didn't know a piece of film
from a piece of toilet paper.
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Really.
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I was fascinated
by this thing called film.
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And so I tried all these things.
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And I... All by myself,
I'd stay in that cutting room.
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There were newsreel men that
would come in with their stuff,
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and I'd develop it for 'em.
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People from the university
would come over
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and there were films
about their dogs,
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their children, everything else
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that they wanted
to put together.
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This is where I learnt
about film.
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A lot of directors have
a creation myth,
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which is a fabricated story
about their beginnings.
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I spent years researching
his apprenticeship
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in the motion pictures.
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He claims in his book
that he walked off the street
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in San Francisco into a building
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because there was an ad
for a film director
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for a short film and he got
a job as a director by bluffing.
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He knew nothing
about film directing.
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Just bullshit.
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He had worked a whole series
of humble jobs
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leading up to becoming
a director.
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Capra worked as a janitor
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at the Christie Brothers
Film Company.
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I said, "What were you doing?"
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He said,
"Cleaning up the horse shit".
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That's the way he started,
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cleaning up the horse shit,
the humble thing you could do.
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And then he was
an assistant director
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for companies in Hollywood.
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He was an assistant cameraman.
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He directed some of
the Screen Snapshot series,
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which were documentary films
about Hollywood.
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And to me,
it's much more inspirational
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that you start at the bottom.
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In these early days,
he learnt very quickly.
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He learnt by watching
what others were doing,
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and it turned out he had
a real gift for visual gags.
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Not word gags, but visual gags.
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So he could think in images.
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And that was
the beginning, really.
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{\an8}I never had such fun in my life.
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{\an8}The fun of creating something,
it just grabs you.
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Your heart beats fast
when you create something.
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And then later on,
when one of my pictures
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would happen to be playing
and I'd pass by
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and I'd hear them laugh
like hell through the picture.
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Oh, boy, I'll tell you,
that's the payoff of payoffs.
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You're looking down
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on the intersection
of Hollywood and Vine,
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one of the most talked about
four corners on Earth.
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If you were to take your stand
here and wait long enough,
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you'd eventually see
every outstanding star
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in show business.
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The Hollywood that we think of
in our imaginations
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and basically the Hollywood
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that existed up
until a few years ago
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was this world of studios,
of sound stages
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and giant teams of people
to run these movie cities.
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Now, not every studio
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had the financial muscle
to make movies
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on the level of let's say,
an MGM...
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...or a Fox.
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Or a Paramount.
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There were also a couple
of minor studios,
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and informally,
they were known as Poverty Row.
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They weren't poor.
They were poorer by comparison.
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And at the top of this
second tier is Columbia.
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Capra was on his way up
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when he arrived
at Columbia in 1927.
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So he's a baby director
beginning with a baby studio.
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They're equally matched.
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You put Frank Capra
into an atmosphere like this
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and I think he said, "Okay,
I can do something with this".
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Because Columbia also,
year by year,
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would do at least a couple
of features with a real budget.
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The history of Frank Capra
and Columbia
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is completely intertwined.
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{\an8}It's definitional for both.
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{\an8}There would be
no Columbia today.
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{\an8}I wouldn't be sitting in the job
that I'm in without Frank Capra.
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And I think there would be no
Frank Capra
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in the way that there was
without Columbia.
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Columbia didn't have
the resources
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that these other studios had.
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Because of it, there was
more freedom at Columbia.
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And that may be surprising
to a lot of people
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who know something
about Harry Cohn.
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Harry Cohn ran the studio.
He basically ran it alone,
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although he had
a few stalwart executives.
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Cohn had his fingers
in everything,
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and to that degree,
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didn't have full control
of any one picture.
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He would delegate,
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and rather than delegating
to a producer,
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he would delegate to a director.
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Frank needed Cohn
and Cohn needed Frank.
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The unimposing little fella
nearest to the camera
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may not look
like a great director,
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but don't let that fool you.
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The name's Capra. Frank Capra.
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Frank takes his fame
very seriously.
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Very seriously.
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Creativity doesn't want
to be managed,
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and it doesn't want
to be restricted.
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It wants to be free
and unbridled.
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And that's the very delicate art
of managing creativity.
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Now, it's ironic to use
the word "delicate"
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in connection with a SOB
like Cohn,
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who was a notorious,
absolute bastard.
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But he had vision
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and he actually understood
filmmaking and he knew talent,
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and his early faith
and investment in Capra
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was because Capra was talented
and he recognised it
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and he backed him.
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The big studios could afford
to have stars under contract.
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At Columbia,
they don't really...
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They have a couple
of stars under contract.
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And they can't compete with MGM
on that level.
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So how are they going to
find a star?
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Well, they find a star director
in Frank Capra.
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So, with the infrastructure
of Columbia,
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Capra ascended.
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{\an8}And with the talent
of Capra's stardom,
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{\an8}Columbia ascended.
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These are the early days
of his career.
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He's doing everything.
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And it was because of that
versatility that he pulls off
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{\an8}a series of movies that
we don't really associate
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{\an8}with Capra films.
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{\an8}A movie called Dirigible.
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A movie called Flight.
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A movie called Submarine.
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These were action pictures
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that probably would seem
more like, you know,
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a Raoul Walsh movie
than a Frank Capra movie.
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He didn't just make
one kind of film.
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He has war films
or military films.
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There's the north station,
over there.
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{\an8}How about
The Bitter Tea of General Yen
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{\an8}or how about The Miracle Woman?
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I mean, he tries
different things. Forbidden.
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One of the most beautiful
sort of woman's pictures
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or as someone might say,
soap operas of its time.
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But it's a beautiful film.
It's tender and human,
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and really very beautiful.
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Hello, Al.
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"Sit right down, Mr Holland.
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"I can't tell you how glad I am
to see you."
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{\an8}Where have you been
all this time?
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{\an8}Here and there, mostly there.
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00:18:00,478 --> 00:18:02,772
{\an8}I've looked for you
in every jail in the state.
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I got time off
for good behaviour.
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Would it shock you
to know my heart's been broken?
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It's been going "potato"
for the last couple of years.
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-Who's your lady friend?
-Yeah, honey.
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Go on. My head's bloody,
but unbowed.
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-You're married?
-No.
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Niece?
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No.
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You're a governess?
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Yeah. And I think I better be
getting her home.
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Now that evening is here,
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suppose we go to
a world premiere
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held at
Grauman's Chinese Theatre?
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A first showing in Hollywood
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is an event
of worldwide interest.
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When I say that Cohn and I
had the same job,
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I should have been
more specific.
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It wasn't just to make
a slate of pictures,
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it's to make hits.
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Harry Cohn wasn't going to keep
the bankers from his door
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if he didn't make hits,
and believe me,
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the reason he loved Frank Capra
was because he made hits.
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And Frank Capra didn't become
a rich man,
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rich and successful man,
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without enormous
commercial success.
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A film director is lucky
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when what occurs to him and her
as being a good film
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also happens to occur
to enough of the audience
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also as good.
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Capra's great talent
was that what occurred to him
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{\an8}as a story he himself
wanted to see...
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00:19:30,904 --> 00:19:32,822
{\an8}...and the way
in which he told it
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00:19:32,906 --> 00:19:34,991
{\an8}happened to be extremely
appealing to others.
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{\an8}He just had the talent.
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Discouragement, fear, failure.
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Only a few years ago,
these dogged the nation.
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Depression, haunted America.
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It was a desperate,
desperate time,
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the likes of which
we hadn't seen before
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or since in this country.
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Capra's movies came along,
and they connected very directly
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to what people were
thinking and feeling.
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And they do not deny
the Depression.
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00:20:34,761 --> 00:20:40,767
{\an8}But they provide escape by
giving you laughter, victory...
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00:20:41,351 --> 00:20:45,814
{\an8}...charm, glamour
and a great story to absorb you
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00:20:45,897 --> 00:20:47,983
so that you forget
your troubles.
348
00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:50,402
My name is Smith.
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That you seem to have been able
to stand for the last month.
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I'm white, male and over 21.
351
00:20:59,661 --> 00:21:01,162
I've never been in jail.
352
00:21:01,955 --> 00:21:03,748
That is, not often.
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00:21:05,875 --> 00:21:08,044
And I prefer Scotch to bourbon.
354
00:21:08,128 --> 00:21:10,755
I hate carrots, I hate peas,
I like black coffee
355
00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:12,215
and I hate garters.
356
00:21:13,550 --> 00:21:17,763
I make 75 bucks a week
and I got 847 bucks in the bank.
357
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,894
And I don't know yet whether
your eyes are blue or violet.
358
00:21:23,978 --> 00:21:26,564
That's because
you're too far away, Stew.
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00:21:30,901 --> 00:21:33,404
I guess the picture, correct me
if I'm wrong, that really
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00:21:34,030 --> 00:21:37,033
many critics say started
the Frank Capra style
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was Platinum Blonde.
Would you agree?
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00:21:39,619 --> 00:21:43,122
I think Platinum Blonde
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and American Madness,
those two, yes.
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00:21:46,417 --> 00:21:50,254
I begin to go into
the social stuff.
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00:21:50,338 --> 00:21:52,256
I always said Union National
was a phoney bank.
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00:21:52,340 --> 00:21:53,466
Union National?
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00:21:54,050 --> 00:21:55,551
{\an8}You have money
in that bank, too?
368
00:21:55,635 --> 00:21:56,969
{\an8}Yes. Something wrong?
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00:21:58,220 --> 00:22:00,933
{\an8}-Run!
-You're telling me!
370
00:22:01,016 --> 00:22:02,184
Give all the men in your plant
371
00:22:02,267 --> 00:22:03,727
a couple hours off
to get their money out.
372
00:22:03,810 --> 00:22:06,188
Tell Mrs Hardy to tell everyone
in the apartment house.
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00:22:06,271 --> 00:22:08,231
All right, I'll get it.
I'll bust a few noses.
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00:22:08,315 --> 00:22:10,692
Holy smoke. I'll get right
down there if I have to fly.
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00:22:10,776 --> 00:22:12,861
Run down there
and get your money at once.
376
00:22:14,655 --> 00:22:16,156
Oh, my goodness.
377
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,617
Oh, my goodness.
Oh, my goodness.
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00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:19,910
Oh, my goodness.
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00:22:22,663 --> 00:22:25,999
The audiences see his films
as extraordinarily contemporary.
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00:22:26,416 --> 00:22:30,462
{\an8}They see his films as depicting
a Depression-era America...
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00:22:30,796 --> 00:22:34,716
{\an8}...that they either recognise
or aspire to.
382
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,344
That's what they want
America to look like,
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00:22:37,427 --> 00:22:38,428
people who help each other.
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00:22:38,512 --> 00:22:40,305
Matt, look! There's Mr Jones!
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00:22:40,389 --> 00:22:42,307
I'm putting my money
in this bank!
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00:22:42,391 --> 00:22:43,392
I know what I'm doing!
387
00:22:45,435 --> 00:22:47,062
Open up.
I want to put some money here.
388
00:22:47,145 --> 00:22:48,189
I don't want to take any out!
389
00:22:48,273 --> 00:22:49,857
Certainly, Mr Jones. Teller...
390
00:22:49,941 --> 00:22:51,484
They're starting
to come in already.
391
00:22:51,567 --> 00:22:53,361
Yeah, yeah, well, listen.
Don't waste any time.
392
00:22:53,444 --> 00:22:55,238
Get all the money
you can lay your hands on.
393
00:22:55,321 --> 00:22:56,489
Who's this?
394
00:22:57,532 --> 00:22:59,117
Come on out here, pawnbrokers.
Take a look.
395
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,660
We've been waiting 50 minutes.
396
00:23:00,743 --> 00:23:02,203
Come on. Take a look at this.
397
00:23:02,287 --> 00:23:03,955
See a demonstration of faith
that's worth more
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00:23:04,038 --> 00:23:05,123
than all the collateral.
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00:23:05,206 --> 00:23:07,333
Come on, boys.
It'll do your heart good.
400
00:23:07,417 --> 00:23:09,377
Look at that. They're shoving
their hard-earned money
401
00:23:09,460 --> 00:23:11,629
across the counter
with a 10-1 chance against them.
402
00:23:16,509 --> 00:23:18,094
One thing we have to keep
in mind is that
403
00:23:18,177 --> 00:23:20,680
the American studios
were always producing films
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00:23:20,763 --> 00:23:22,557
{\an8}for a global audience.
405
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,393
{\an8}His films that we think of
as so quintessentially American
406
00:23:25,476 --> 00:23:27,395
{\an8}were huge hits
wherever they played.
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00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,064
{\an8}And that's interesting,
and they seem to have
408
00:23:30,148 --> 00:23:33,151
{\an8}the same meaning
for audiences in France,
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00:23:33,234 --> 00:23:36,030
audiences in the UK
that they had for
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00:23:36,113 --> 00:23:37,948
audiences here in the US.
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00:23:40,701 --> 00:23:43,037
And it was now this time
that you began your association
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00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:44,538
with Robert Riskin.
413
00:23:44,622 --> 00:23:47,249
It was a very happy
and very long association.
414
00:23:47,333 --> 00:23:49,543
We both vibrated
to the same tuning fork.
415
00:23:49,627 --> 00:23:51,587
We collaborated on everything
416
00:23:51,670 --> 00:23:55,382
and we both kind of had
that same idea of comedy.
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00:23:55,466 --> 00:23:57,468
Human comedy, not gag comedy.
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00:23:57,551 --> 00:24:00,930
And that's a great thing,
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00:24:01,013 --> 00:24:02,848
when you can get two people
that agree.
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00:24:04,391 --> 00:24:07,645
Capra had an exceptional eye
for good writing,
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00:24:07,728 --> 00:24:10,648
and he knew the importance
of a good script.
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00:24:10,731 --> 00:24:14,276
So, in the early '30s,
when he starts landing
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00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:18,280
some really exceptionally
talented screenwriters,
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00:24:18,364 --> 00:24:20,032
he was ready to go.
425
00:24:27,749 --> 00:24:30,252
Later in his life, Capra would,
sort of, take credit
426
00:24:30,335 --> 00:24:32,045
for pretty much everything
in his films.
427
00:24:32,128 --> 00:24:33,797
But early on,
he was smart enough
428
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,675
to put together the best crew
he possibly could.
429
00:24:38,009 --> 00:24:41,638
The cameraman, Joseph Walker,
who was on so many of his films,
430
00:24:41,721 --> 00:24:43,974
and Barbara Stanwyck
and other actors
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00:24:44,057 --> 00:24:47,394
who really helped to create
the world that he made.
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00:24:48,103 --> 00:24:50,188
So I think that the Capra film
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00:24:50,272 --> 00:24:53,191
stands for a wide crew
of people.
434
00:25:05,870 --> 00:25:09,458
When It Happened One Night
was released into theatres,
435
00:25:09,542 --> 00:25:13,588
{\an8}believe it or not, initially,
it didn't do that well.
436
00:25:14,046 --> 00:25:16,382
{\an8}But then something happened.
437
00:25:17,216 --> 00:25:19,260
People started coming back.
438
00:25:19,635 --> 00:25:22,555
The ones who saw it
liked it enough to go back,
439
00:25:22,638 --> 00:25:24,515
and they told their friends.
440
00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:29,437
Capra liked to say years later
that "people made that movie"
441
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,106
because it was
the ticketholders...
442
00:25:32,189 --> 00:25:35,359
...the punters
who just kept coming back.
443
00:25:39,530 --> 00:25:42,325
Any time you're going back to,
you know, the production
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00:25:42,408 --> 00:25:45,828
of a Hollywood film
during the classic era...
445
00:25:45,912 --> 00:25:48,706
...there can be a lot of myths
attached to it.
446
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:53,210
{\an8}In this case,
it's safe to go with the stories
447
00:25:53,294 --> 00:25:55,005
{\an8}because they're
not really myths.
448
00:25:55,088 --> 00:25:58,050
{\an8}Nobody wanted
to make this movie.
449
00:25:58,133 --> 00:26:01,845
Certainly, it's two stars
had to sort of be dragged
450
00:26:01,929 --> 00:26:03,305
kicking and screaming.
451
00:26:03,388 --> 00:26:08,143
Clark Gable was there because
he was being punished by MGM.
452
00:26:08,226 --> 00:26:10,479
He had been asking
for more money
453
00:26:10,562 --> 00:26:12,814
and MGM kind of told him
to go sit in a corner
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00:26:12,898 --> 00:26:14,441
and think about what he did.
455
00:26:14,524 --> 00:26:18,111
And Claudette Colbert
only agreed to do it
456
00:26:18,195 --> 00:26:22,032
when she was given
an exorbitant salary
457
00:26:22,115 --> 00:26:23,325
for doing so.
458
00:26:23,408 --> 00:26:25,327
Next time you drop in,
bring your folks.
459
00:26:25,953 --> 00:26:29,456
At some point during the filming
of It Happened One Night,
460
00:26:29,539 --> 00:26:31,208
it started to hit people
461
00:26:31,291 --> 00:26:35,087
that their kind of
loosey-goosey attitude
462
00:26:35,170 --> 00:26:36,838
towards making this movie
463
00:26:36,922 --> 00:26:40,509
was actually producing something
rather special.
464
00:26:51,104 --> 00:26:53,898
Claudette Colbert said
in later years
465
00:26:53,982 --> 00:26:57,652
that when she read "The Man
on the Flying Trapeze" scene,
466
00:26:57,735 --> 00:27:00,071
she thought it was
kind of ridiculous.
467
00:27:00,154 --> 00:27:02,490
Couldn't understand
how everybody on the bus
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00:27:02,573 --> 00:27:05,285
would know the lyrics
to one song.
469
00:27:05,368 --> 00:27:10,415
But then, when she actually
got in there and was filming it,
470
00:27:10,498 --> 00:27:13,376
she happened to catch
the eye of her maid
471
00:27:13,459 --> 00:27:16,462
who was standing somewhere
behind the cameraman,
472
00:27:16,546 --> 00:27:19,215
and her maid was loving it.
473
00:27:22,802 --> 00:27:27,390
And Claudette thought,
"Wow. Okay.
474
00:27:27,473 --> 00:27:29,643
"We really may have
something here."
475
00:27:46,201 --> 00:27:51,790
Movies of any type are often
about an idealised portrayal.
476
00:27:51,874 --> 00:27:53,584
Life as you wish it were,
477
00:27:53,667 --> 00:27:57,087
not necessarily
life as it really is.
478
00:27:57,171 --> 00:28:01,175
So, when they get on the bus
and start singing
479
00:28:01,258 --> 00:28:05,930
"The Man on the Flying Trapeze",
that's when you really know
480
00:28:06,013 --> 00:28:11,644
that this is a movie
about people coming together.
481
00:28:21,613 --> 00:28:25,450
There's not a lot
of the Depression
482
00:28:25,533 --> 00:28:29,245
in It Happened One Night,
oddly enough.
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00:28:29,746 --> 00:28:35,085
{\an8}A train goes by
as they wait at the crossroads
484
00:28:35,168 --> 00:28:38,046
and on the train are some hobos.
485
00:28:38,129 --> 00:28:41,508
The Depression is now passing
through the film.
486
00:28:41,591 --> 00:28:42,884
"Hello, audience.
487
00:28:42,968 --> 00:28:45,679
"Yes, we remember
there's a Depression",
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00:28:45,762 --> 00:28:48,848
but, you know, you're talking
about something else
489
00:28:48,932 --> 00:28:50,225
in this movie.
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00:28:50,308 --> 00:28:51,851
A love story.
491
00:28:52,644 --> 00:28:56,606
A love story where a woman
who has money
492
00:28:56,690 --> 00:29:00,777
and a guy who doesn't
learn about each other,
493
00:29:00,860 --> 00:29:05,283
and you learn
that not having money is okay.
494
00:29:05,366 --> 00:29:07,493
In fact, it's noble.
495
00:29:07,576 --> 00:29:09,620
It's better than being rich.
496
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:12,373
Where'd you learn to dunk?
In finishing school?
497
00:29:13,416 --> 00:29:15,835
Now, don't you start telling me
I shouldn't dunk.
498
00:29:15,918 --> 00:29:17,503
Of course you shouldn't.
You don't know how to do it.
499
00:29:17,587 --> 00:29:18,754
Dunking's an art.
500
00:29:18,838 --> 00:29:22,633
Don't let it soak so long.
A dip, and into your mouth.
501
00:29:23,092 --> 00:29:25,303
You leave it in too long,
it'll get soft and fall off.
502
00:29:25,386 --> 00:29:28,097
It's all a matter of timing.
I'll write a book about it.
503
00:29:28,931 --> 00:29:31,601
-Thanks, Professor.
-Just goes to show you.
504
00:29:32,059 --> 00:29:34,145
Plenty millions
and you don't know how to dunk.
505
00:29:34,228 --> 00:29:36,230
These rich people
couldn't dunk doughnuts.
506
00:29:36,314 --> 00:29:40,067
I mean, there's no future
in life if you can't dunk.
507
00:29:40,151 --> 00:29:42,903
She doesn't even know
what piggybacking is.
508
00:29:42,987 --> 00:29:44,322
Are the shower's in there?
509
00:29:44,405 --> 00:29:45,656
They ain't out here.
510
00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:49,494
She has to learn to be
an American,
511
00:29:49,995 --> 00:29:51,580
and not a rich person.
512
00:29:51,663 --> 00:29:54,374
That is really
what this is about.
513
00:29:54,458 --> 00:29:57,794
She has to learn
to be like other Americans.
514
00:29:58,211 --> 00:29:59,838
A person without money.
515
00:29:59,922 --> 00:30:03,091
You want to shower around here,
you'll stand in line.
516
00:30:03,175 --> 00:30:07,346
Money is not important.
It's not the thing.
517
00:30:07,429 --> 00:30:11,266
It's a reassuring message
for American audiences.
518
00:30:11,725 --> 00:30:15,145
Well, today, it's easy.
It's a rom-com, right?
519
00:30:15,228 --> 00:30:17,481
There weren't a lot of 'em
back in the day.
520
00:30:17,564 --> 00:30:20,943
It's a star-driven rom-com.
It's very simple.
521
00:30:21,026 --> 00:30:24,154
It's When Harry Met Sally...
or any one of the movies
522
00:30:24,237 --> 00:30:26,698
that Tom Hanks made
with Meg Ryan.
523
00:30:26,782 --> 00:30:28,867
At the time,
it was way more than that.
524
00:30:28,951 --> 00:30:31,912
It was genre-breaking. There
really weren't a lot of 'em.
525
00:30:31,995 --> 00:30:35,249
It was class-based romance.
It was pretty racy.
526
00:30:37,085 --> 00:30:41,589
It's scene after scene
after scene of perfectly staged
527
00:30:41,673 --> 00:30:43,716
drama/comedy.
528
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,302
It's a movie where everything
came together.
529
00:30:46,386 --> 00:30:49,722
The screenplay, the casting.
Not this one but that one.
530
00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:52,058
We tried to get this one,
but he was unavailable.
531
00:30:52,141 --> 00:30:56,521
Mr Meyer forced Gable
on Harry Cohn, whatever it was.
532
00:30:56,604 --> 00:30:58,398
This looks like the best spot.
533
00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:01,776
We're not going to sleep
out here, are we?
534
00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:03,027
I don't know about you,
535
00:31:03,111 --> 00:31:05,697
but I'm going to give
a fairly good imitation of it.
536
00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:08,700
The famous scene where they go
to sleep under the haystacks.
537
00:31:08,783 --> 00:31:10,076
Beautifully shot.
538
00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:13,955
And the desire between them
is so palpable.
539
00:31:16,249 --> 00:31:19,335
The other thing he controlled
masterfully was rhythm.
540
00:31:19,419 --> 00:31:21,337
And so often,
his movies move fast,
541
00:31:21,421 --> 00:31:23,257
but he also knows
when to slow down.
542
00:31:23,841 --> 00:31:26,635
And in that film,
when they almost kiss
543
00:31:26,719 --> 00:31:30,222
and then Gable stands up
and lights a cigarette instead
544
00:31:30,639 --> 00:31:32,600
and goes to sleep
in the other haystack.
545
00:31:33,475 --> 00:31:35,352
And you cut back to her
and she's looking at him,
546
00:31:35,436 --> 00:31:37,354
"Oh, you dope,
why didn't you kiss me?
547
00:31:37,438 --> 00:31:38,939
"Why didn't you kiss me?"
548
00:31:39,023 --> 00:31:42,359
And it just quietly fades out
on a close-up of her.
549
00:31:42,443 --> 00:31:43,777
It's so beautiful.
550
00:31:44,361 --> 00:31:45,946
Just so beautiful.
551
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:51,660
It wasn't really anything
anybody thought
552
00:31:51,744 --> 00:31:52,953
was going to be successful,
553
00:31:53,037 --> 00:31:55,623
and there were a lot of problems
going along with it.
554
00:31:55,706 --> 00:31:59,043
And Frank said, "You know,
maybe we should abandon this.
555
00:31:59,126 --> 00:32:01,003
"I mean,
nobody seems to want this.
556
00:32:01,086 --> 00:32:03,631
"Everybody says a bus story
is never going to work."
557
00:32:05,507 --> 00:32:07,801
At that time, Columbia was still
558
00:32:07,885 --> 00:32:09,971
making its way off
of Poverty Row,
559
00:32:10,722 --> 00:32:14,392
and it became a giant hit
for Clark Gable.
560
00:32:14,476 --> 00:32:17,270
It was transcendent
in the history
561
00:32:17,354 --> 00:32:19,189
and the life of the studio,
562
00:32:19,272 --> 00:32:22,233
and it's the first
of only three movies ever
563
00:32:22,317 --> 00:32:23,652
in the history of Hollywood
564
00:32:23,735 --> 00:32:27,197
to have won all five
of the major Academy Awards.
565
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,533
Picture, director,
writer, actor, and actress.
566
00:32:31,159 --> 00:32:34,955
So it pulled Columbia up
into the big leagues.
567
00:32:40,001 --> 00:32:43,672
Frank Capra rang the gong
of Hollywood
568
00:32:43,755 --> 00:32:45,799
in a way it had never been
rung before.
569
00:32:45,882 --> 00:32:50,428
It Happened One Night
won all five top prizes.
570
00:32:51,179 --> 00:32:53,348
This was a singular thing
571
00:32:53,431 --> 00:32:55,350
that this young man
572
00:32:55,433 --> 00:32:58,896
at a low-budget,
Poverty Row studio
573
00:32:58,980 --> 00:33:01,524
hit the top, hit the top.
574
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,322
Those five awards
nearly killed me.
575
00:33:08,406 --> 00:33:10,908
I mean, you know,
you shake the Oscar tree
576
00:33:10,992 --> 00:33:12,410
when you get
the five major awards.
577
00:33:12,493 --> 00:33:14,078
What are you gonna do
for an encore?
578
00:33:14,161 --> 00:33:15,162
This was my problem,
579
00:33:15,246 --> 00:33:18,291
and I got it so early
in my life, you see?
580
00:33:18,374 --> 00:33:20,960
Capra went to pieces kind of
after he became successful
581
00:33:21,043 --> 00:33:22,712
with It Happened One Night.
582
00:33:22,795 --> 00:33:25,715
He said suddenly people know
who you are in Asia,
583
00:33:25,798 --> 00:33:28,718
you know, I mean,
it's a whole different feeling.
584
00:33:28,801 --> 00:33:31,345
I read all kinds of things,
but everything seemed trivial
585
00:33:31,429 --> 00:33:35,057
and puerile after that,
and I feigned sickness.
586
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,853
Not to make any more pictures.
I wanted to quit for a while.
587
00:33:38,936 --> 00:33:41,647
I was afraid, actually afraid
to make another film.
588
00:33:41,731 --> 00:33:44,776
He's a director who,
like many others at that time,
589
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:46,069
was working nonstop.
590
00:33:46,153 --> 00:33:50,073
So It Happened One Night,
of course, sets him up to fail
591
00:33:50,157 --> 00:33:52,951
as much as it sets him up
to succeed.
592
00:33:53,035 --> 00:33:55,829
He almost died of peritonitis
593
00:33:55,912 --> 00:33:58,248
and he was really ill,
seriously ill.
594
00:33:58,332 --> 00:34:00,959
So I feigned sickness,
but in feigning sickness,
595
00:34:01,043 --> 00:34:05,255
I became sick,
and I was really about to die
596
00:34:05,339 --> 00:34:07,466
when a friend of mine
597
00:34:07,549 --> 00:34:10,761
brought in a very faceless
old man who came in
598
00:34:10,843 --> 00:34:13,305
and said to me,
"Mr Capra, you're a coward".
599
00:34:14,514 --> 00:34:16,015
And I said, "Coward? I'm sick".
600
00:34:16,099 --> 00:34:18,060
And he said,
"No, you're a coward.
601
00:34:18,142 --> 00:34:19,852
"You were given certain gifts
602
00:34:19,937 --> 00:34:21,812
"and you're not using them.
603
00:34:21,897 --> 00:34:24,399
"You have been given a gift
to reach hundreds of millions
604
00:34:24,483 --> 00:34:26,443
"and for two hours,
and in the dark.
605
00:34:26,526 --> 00:34:28,153
"You're a coward.
You're an offence to God.
606
00:34:28,236 --> 00:34:29,571
"You're an offence to humanity."
607
00:34:29,655 --> 00:34:31,324
And he just got up and left.
608
00:34:31,741 --> 00:34:33,242
Things do seem to change.
609
00:34:33,326 --> 00:34:36,788
Capra himself told a clearly
apocryphal story
610
00:34:36,871 --> 00:34:39,207
about while he was convalescing,
611
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:42,668
being visited by a little man
whose name we don't know.
612
00:34:42,752 --> 00:34:44,379
We know nothing about him.
613
00:34:44,462 --> 00:34:46,505
Who told him to get up
and get to work
614
00:34:46,589 --> 00:34:48,549
and stop feeling sorry
for himself
615
00:34:48,632 --> 00:34:50,969
and to start to make films
that meant things.
616
00:34:51,052 --> 00:34:53,638
He had to renew himself.
617
00:34:53,721 --> 00:34:57,058
He had to recharge himself,
618
00:34:57,141 --> 00:35:00,645
and no one really knows
the why of this,
619
00:35:00,728 --> 00:35:03,606
and although he alludes
to these things
620
00:35:03,690 --> 00:35:06,401
and discusses them
in his autobiography,
621
00:35:06,484 --> 00:35:08,861
talked about them in interviews,
622
00:35:08,945 --> 00:35:10,655
you don't really understand
623
00:35:10,738 --> 00:35:14,409
exactly what is
going on here with him.
624
00:35:14,492 --> 00:35:19,540
He is a man who feels things
and fears things.
625
00:35:20,833 --> 00:35:23,752
As I got to know Frank
over the years
626
00:35:23,836 --> 00:35:25,713
and we spent a lot of time
627
00:35:25,796 --> 00:35:28,048
talking on
the telephone together,
628
00:35:28,132 --> 00:35:32,469
we talked about his illnesses
and his crises.
629
00:35:32,553 --> 00:35:36,765
And I would just say
that he knew he was vulnerable.
630
00:35:37,182 --> 00:35:40,686
There's always something in you
or in your life
631
00:35:40,769 --> 00:35:42,438
that can bring you pain.
632
00:35:43,147 --> 00:35:45,149
Some of it is simple health.
633
00:35:45,608 --> 00:35:48,360
Other things are deeper
than that.
634
00:35:48,444 --> 00:35:52,489
And I think that's probably all
I would want to say about that.
635
00:35:52,573 --> 00:35:56,744
Capra realised how many people
he was speaking to,
636
00:35:57,328 --> 00:35:59,997
and how successfully
he was coming across.
637
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,083
So he wanted to make sure
he was saying something
638
00:36:03,501 --> 00:36:06,630
important about the way
that we lived.
639
00:36:06,713 --> 00:36:11,468
And it's that spiritual rebirth
that fuels
640
00:36:11,551 --> 00:36:15,347
the next run
of Capra's great movies.
641
00:36:21,478 --> 00:36:23,063
{\an8}I was doing it unconsciously.
642
00:36:23,855 --> 00:36:26,024
{\an8}But consciously,
643
00:36:26,107 --> 00:36:28,735
{\an8}the first film that I was going
to make
644
00:36:28,818 --> 00:36:30,445
where I attempted
to say something
645
00:36:30,528 --> 00:36:32,072
was Mr Deeds Goes to Town.
646
00:36:32,739 --> 00:36:36,034
An individual that reached deep
within his resources
647
00:36:36,117 --> 00:36:39,412
and come up with the wits
and the strength
648
00:36:39,496 --> 00:36:43,792
and the knowledge
to defeat his environment.
649
00:36:44,709 --> 00:36:46,836
Well, that's hope.
650
00:36:47,712 --> 00:36:50,508
-Say something.
-Tell your story. Go ahead.
651
00:36:50,633 --> 00:36:51,801
-Go ahead.
-Tell him.
652
00:36:52,301 --> 00:36:53,386
Mr Deeds,
653
00:36:53,511 --> 00:36:56,013
the boys here wanted me
to say a little something.
654
00:36:56,764 --> 00:36:58,557
Just wanted me to say that...
655
00:36:59,767 --> 00:37:02,937
Well, they want me to say
that we think you're swell.
656
00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:04,188
And that's no baloney.
657
00:37:05,231 --> 00:37:08,025
-Say something more.
-Give me a chance, fellas.
658
00:37:08,109 --> 00:37:11,153
We're all down and out.
A fella like you comes along,
659
00:37:11,237 --> 00:37:12,989
it kinda gives us a little hope.
660
00:37:13,322 --> 00:37:16,200
From Mr Deeds on,
my films are pretty much alike.
661
00:37:16,284 --> 00:37:19,370
I mean, the same things
kept cropping up in them.
662
00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:22,123
-That's him.
-Are you Longfellow Deeds?
663
00:37:22,206 --> 00:37:23,582
-Yes.
-Sheriff's Office.
664
00:37:23,666 --> 00:37:25,543
We got a warrant
to take you into custody.
665
00:37:26,002 --> 00:37:27,003
A what?
666
00:37:27,086 --> 00:37:28,921
A warrant for your arrest.
You have to come along with us.
667
00:37:29,005 --> 00:37:31,340
These were films like
Mr Deeds Goes to Town,
668
00:37:31,424 --> 00:37:34,176
Mr Smith Goes to Washington,
Meet John Doe,
669
00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:36,304
and other films that are clearly
670
00:37:36,387 --> 00:37:40,267
making statements about life
as it's lived in America
671
00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:41,393
at that time.
672
00:37:41,476 --> 00:37:46,523
About politics, about industry,
about the law, about media.
673
00:37:47,941 --> 00:37:50,360
Because I wanna give
money to people who need it,
674
00:37:50,444 --> 00:37:51,737
they think I'm crazy.
675
00:37:52,738 --> 00:37:55,574
That's marvellous.
That makes everything complete.
676
00:37:55,657 --> 00:37:58,076
I guess what we learnt here
677
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,579
is a kind of Frank Capra movie,
isn't it?
678
00:38:00,662 --> 00:38:06,418
What we learn is that wealth
is not the American Dream.
679
00:38:06,501 --> 00:38:09,755
It's about contributing
to your community,
680
00:38:09,838 --> 00:38:10,839
to your country.
681
00:38:10,922 --> 00:38:15,677
It's an honourable sense
of being a good man.
682
00:38:16,261 --> 00:38:17,387
Mr Deeds.
683
00:38:18,138 --> 00:38:20,974
You haven't yet touched upon
the most important point.
684
00:38:21,934 --> 00:38:23,685
It's all a fantastic idea
of yours
685
00:38:23,769 --> 00:38:25,688
to want to give away
your entire fortune.
686
00:38:26,356 --> 00:38:28,816
It is, to say the least,
most uncommon.
687
00:38:29,275 --> 00:38:30,860
It's like the road
out in front of my house,
688
00:38:30,944 --> 00:38:31,986
it's on a steep hill.
689
00:38:32,070 --> 00:38:33,988
Every day
I watch the cars climbing up.
690
00:38:34,489 --> 00:38:36,532
Some go lickety split up
that hill on high,
691
00:38:36,616 --> 00:38:39,994
some have to shift into second
and some sputter and shake
692
00:38:40,078 --> 00:38:41,871
and slip back
to the bottom again.
693
00:38:41,955 --> 00:38:45,541
Same car, same gasoline,
yet some make it and some don't.
694
00:38:45,625 --> 00:38:47,460
And I say the fellas
who can make the hill on high
695
00:38:47,543 --> 00:38:49,963
should stop once in a while
and help those who can't.
696
00:38:50,046 --> 00:38:51,464
That's all I'm trying to do
with this money.
697
00:38:51,547 --> 00:38:53,758
Help the fellas who can't make
the hill on high.
698
00:38:54,717 --> 00:38:57,470
And after careful deliberation,
the committee have voted
699
00:38:58,304 --> 00:39:00,473
that the best direction
for a motion picture
700
00:39:00,556 --> 00:39:02,558
during the year of 1936
701
00:39:03,184 --> 00:39:05,895
is awarded to you, Frank Capra,
702
00:39:05,979 --> 00:39:07,522
for your direction
of the picture
703
00:39:07,605 --> 00:39:09,857
Mr Deeds Comes to Town.
704
00:39:11,402 --> 00:39:14,405
Retake, boys. It's
"Goes to Town". Can't have that.
705
00:39:19,118 --> 00:39:21,412
Capra had to wait about a year
706
00:39:21,495 --> 00:39:23,706
to even get to make
Lost Horizon.
707
00:39:23,789 --> 00:39:26,041
I really think he thought
this was going
708
00:39:26,125 --> 00:39:31,964
{\an8}to be a grand statement,
a real artistic achievement.
709
00:39:39,513 --> 00:39:42,057
{\an8}After Mr Deeds,
Capra was feeling
710
00:39:42,141 --> 00:39:44,018
{\an8}a greater sense
of responsibility.
711
00:39:44,101 --> 00:39:46,103
He was dealing with big issues,
big subjects.
712
00:39:46,186 --> 00:39:48,105
He was being seen
as a political force
713
00:39:48,188 --> 00:39:50,816
in the United States,
a cultural force.
714
00:40:00,201 --> 00:40:01,995
Welcome to Shangri-La.
715
00:40:03,371 --> 00:40:05,957
You see, we are sheltered
by mountains on every side.
716
00:40:06,541 --> 00:40:09,419
It's a strange phenomena
for which we are very grateful.
717
00:40:15,759 --> 00:40:19,554
I simply like the fact
that Lost Horizon
718
00:40:19,638 --> 00:40:22,766
is a utopian movie at all.
719
00:40:23,475 --> 00:40:24,851
It's magic.
720
00:40:25,435 --> 00:40:28,313
Those have kind of fallen
by the wayside.
721
00:40:28,396 --> 00:40:30,774
Dystopia is what we get now.
722
00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:34,235
The problem with that film
is it's a theme picture.
723
00:40:34,319 --> 00:40:36,029
It's not as much
about the characters
724
00:40:36,112 --> 00:40:37,405
as the characters are dwarfed
725
00:40:37,489 --> 00:40:39,699
by the big themes
and the big sets.
726
00:40:40,575 --> 00:40:43,536
It is our hope
that the brotherly love
727
00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:44,956
of Shangri-La
728
00:40:45,915 --> 00:40:50,252
will spread
throughout the world.
729
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:58,010
Capra went way over budget
and almost bankrupted Columbia.
730
00:40:58,094 --> 00:41:00,388
Harry Cohn had to call
all the employees together
731
00:41:00,471 --> 00:41:02,473
on a soundstage at one point
and say,
732
00:41:02,556 --> 00:41:04,225
"We can't pay your cheques
for this week",
733
00:41:04,308 --> 00:41:06,060
because they were
so short on cash.
734
00:41:07,436 --> 00:41:10,690
-What's happened? Where's Bob?
-He's going, my child.
735
00:41:11,274 --> 00:41:12,275
In those days,
736
00:41:12,358 --> 00:41:14,235
there were bank lendings
involved
737
00:41:14,318 --> 00:41:17,280
and it wouldn't have been hard
for a runaway picture
738
00:41:17,363 --> 00:41:18,489
to sink a studio.
739
00:41:18,572 --> 00:41:20,950
So I think
the production problems
740
00:41:21,033 --> 00:41:22,368
on Lost Horizon
741
00:41:22,451 --> 00:41:24,620
took a great toll on both sides.
742
00:41:24,704 --> 00:41:26,664
And it fractured the trust.
743
00:41:26,747 --> 00:41:31,169
And trust is hard won
and easily lost.
744
00:41:32,254 --> 00:41:34,881
Harry Cohn took the picture
away from Capra
745
00:41:34,965 --> 00:41:37,134
after a while because Capra
couldn't bring it down
746
00:41:37,217 --> 00:41:39,177
to the length that Cohn wanted.
747
00:41:39,261 --> 00:41:42,681
It was not the success
and winner of Oscars
748
00:41:42,764 --> 00:41:44,391
that they thought it would be.
749
00:41:44,474 --> 00:41:46,393
It was sort of the beginning
of the end
750
00:41:46,476 --> 00:41:48,395
between them, probably.
751
00:41:52,316 --> 00:41:55,319
{\an8}Well, I don't start a film
unless I have something to say
752
00:41:55,402 --> 00:41:56,903
{\an8}and know what I'm gonna say.
753
00:41:56,987 --> 00:41:58,864
He went down among the people.
754
00:41:59,781 --> 00:42:01,533
And there he found
755
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:04,745
a nugget.
756
00:42:08,415 --> 00:42:11,793
Capra movies
are about good people
757
00:42:11,877 --> 00:42:14,755
up against overwhelming
opposition.
758
00:42:14,838 --> 00:42:17,758
...to Senator Jefferson Smith.
759
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:24,057
It's generally one person
against the media,
760
00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:26,809
the government,
popular awareness.
761
00:42:27,727 --> 00:42:30,897
These insurmountable projects
762
00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:33,024
that make them, in a way,
763
00:42:33,107 --> 00:42:35,777
almost like fairy tales,
you know.
764
00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:38,571
How is Saint George
going to slay the dragon?
765
00:42:38,655 --> 00:42:43,034
There's no way, you know.
This is a hopeless situation.
766
00:42:43,117 --> 00:42:46,663
I can't help feeling
that there's
767
00:42:46,746 --> 00:42:48,665
been a big mistake somehow.
768
00:42:51,584 --> 00:42:53,753
I don't think I'm gonna be
much help to you
769
00:42:53,836 --> 00:42:55,338
down there
in Washington, Senator.
770
00:42:57,048 --> 00:43:03,179
I used comedy and laughter
as a way of becoming
771
00:43:03,262 --> 00:43:04,472
very friendly with the audience,
772
00:43:04,555 --> 00:43:07,226
or making the audience
very friendly with the film,
773
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:08,894
and with the characters
in the film.
774
00:43:08,978 --> 00:43:12,564
It's comedy directors
who typically are most adept
775
00:43:12,648 --> 00:43:15,109
at drama and pathos.
776
00:43:15,776 --> 00:43:17,861
That's his brilliance
with casting,
777
00:43:17,945 --> 00:43:19,947
is that he's a comedy director.
778
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:23,701
That's his brilliance
with pacing, with rhythm,
779
00:43:23,784 --> 00:43:25,619
is that he's a comedy director.
780
00:43:26,662 --> 00:43:31,667
It's in comedy that you learn
the control of those things.
781
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:35,087
It's really hard
to calibrate things
782
00:43:35,170 --> 00:43:37,214
to get those laughs
from the audience
783
00:43:37,298 --> 00:43:40,592
and it takes time
and it takes talent,
784
00:43:40,676 --> 00:43:42,928
experience and screening.
785
00:43:43,012 --> 00:43:44,888
You've got to screen
your pictures a lot.
786
00:43:45,389 --> 00:43:47,057
If you entertain them
with laughter,
787
00:43:47,141 --> 00:43:49,184
then you have them at a point
788
00:43:49,268 --> 00:43:51,186
where they might sit still
for a message.
789
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:53,315
Hello, Senator.
I was just passing through.
790
00:43:53,398 --> 00:43:54,941
I thought I'd like to meet you.
791
00:43:55,817 --> 00:43:57,152
Sit down.
You met all the boys here,
792
00:43:57,235 --> 00:43:58,236
-I suppose.
-Yes, sir.
793
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,946
They tell me you've been
right on your toes
794
00:44:00,030 --> 00:44:01,364
ever since you got here.
795
00:44:01,448 --> 00:44:02,616
That's fine.
796
00:44:03,742 --> 00:44:06,745
You know, some people told me
that you were dumb.
797
00:44:06,828 --> 00:44:08,496
I think you're smart.
798
00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:11,499
What fascinated you most
about the story of Mr Smith?
799
00:44:12,626 --> 00:44:15,545
Well, the story of Mr Smith
is the story
800
00:44:15,629 --> 00:44:19,591
of a young nobody that gets
put into a position of trust
801
00:44:19,674 --> 00:44:21,593
and is an idealist.
802
00:44:22,093 --> 00:44:23,803
And he doesn't like
what he finds.
803
00:44:24,179 --> 00:44:25,805
And he doesn't like
804
00:44:26,306 --> 00:44:30,268
this compromise and making do
and this rubbing one's back.
805
00:44:30,352 --> 00:44:32,854
And particularly
doesn't like graft.
806
00:44:33,521 --> 00:44:36,358
And he doesn't like power.
So he began to fight it,
807
00:44:36,441 --> 00:44:38,527
and the machine just
steamrolled right over him
808
00:44:38,611 --> 00:44:39,946
and flattened him right out.
809
00:44:41,238 --> 00:44:42,615
And with the aid of a girl
810
00:44:42,698 --> 00:44:45,701
who took an interest in him,
he got up on his feet
811
00:44:45,785 --> 00:44:47,787
and fought back and won.
812
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,623
He found it deep within, inside,
813
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,085
he had the moral, the mental
814
00:44:54,961 --> 00:44:57,338
and enough wit
and everything else
815
00:44:58,172 --> 00:45:00,800
to win out over his
environmental difficulties.
816
00:45:01,509 --> 00:45:04,011
You mean you tell these men
and Senator Paine what to do?
817
00:45:04,095 --> 00:45:05,513
Why, yes.
818
00:45:05,596 --> 00:45:08,724
Joe Paine has been taking
my advice for the past 20 years.
819
00:45:11,018 --> 00:45:12,603
You're a liar.
820
00:45:17,942 --> 00:45:20,403
Mr Smith Goes to Washington
was released
821
00:45:20,486 --> 00:45:22,905
at the same time
that Hitler attacked Poland.
822
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,496
It was a time of great crisis,
823
00:45:29,579 --> 00:45:32,791
and Americans really needed
to come together
824
00:45:32,874 --> 00:45:34,960
to not only save the country
in the Depression,
825
00:45:35,043 --> 00:45:37,045
but later join the Allies
826
00:45:37,129 --> 00:45:39,548
to save the world
in World War II.
827
00:45:39,631 --> 00:45:41,842
And those crises came
back to back.
828
00:45:42,634 --> 00:45:46,346
How to join together
to be part of a worthy cause
829
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:47,597
that's bigger than yourself,
830
00:45:47,681 --> 00:45:49,516
and at the same time,
how to do that
831
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:51,602
without losing hold of
832
00:45:51,685 --> 00:45:54,438
what's important to you
personally?
833
00:45:54,521 --> 00:45:57,691
Americans had to answer
these questions
834
00:45:57,774 --> 00:45:59,818
at the moment
Capra was making a movie.
835
00:45:59,901 --> 00:46:01,903
They were urgent questions.
836
00:46:01,987 --> 00:46:04,114
They were not
theoretical questions.
837
00:46:04,197 --> 00:46:06,700
I mean, even whether
they were consciously addressed
838
00:46:06,783 --> 00:46:09,244
or unconsciously addressed
by Americans,
839
00:46:09,328 --> 00:46:11,914
they were living with them
day to day.
840
00:46:12,665 --> 00:46:14,459
How big is this thing?
Where's it going to be?
841
00:46:14,542 --> 00:46:16,085
How many boys
will it accommodate?
842
00:46:16,169 --> 00:46:17,920
You've got to have
all that in it, you know.
843
00:46:18,004 --> 00:46:20,298
Yeah, and something else,
Ms Saunders.
844
00:46:20,381 --> 00:46:23,926
The spirit of it, the idea...
845
00:46:25,011 --> 00:46:26,095
How do you say it?
846
00:46:29,265 --> 00:46:31,517
-That's what's got to be in it.
-What?
847
00:46:31,893 --> 00:46:33,394
The Capitol Dome.
848
00:46:33,895 --> 00:46:34,938
On paper?
849
00:46:35,021 --> 00:46:37,899
I want to make that come to life
for every boy in this land.
850
00:46:37,982 --> 00:46:40,151
Yes, and I'll light it up
like that, too.
851
00:46:41,527 --> 00:46:45,031
You see, boys forget
what their country means
852
00:46:45,114 --> 00:46:47,825
by reading "the land
of the free" in history books.
853
00:46:47,909 --> 00:46:50,370
When they get to be men,
they forget even more.
854
00:46:51,704 --> 00:46:55,083
Liberty is too precious a thing
to be buried in books.
855
00:46:55,166 --> 00:46:57,168
Unlike other filmmakers
at the time,
856
00:46:57,251 --> 00:46:59,421
people saw in his films
857
00:46:59,505 --> 00:47:01,757
a model of what they hoped
their lives would be.
858
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,927
They saw his films
as aspirational in some ways.
859
00:47:05,010 --> 00:47:06,971
They saw his films as comments
860
00:47:07,054 --> 00:47:09,264
on what it's like to live
in modern America.
861
00:47:09,932 --> 00:47:11,308
Men should hold it up
in front of them
862
00:47:11,392 --> 00:47:15,104
every single day of their lives
and say, "I'm free".
863
00:47:15,854 --> 00:47:18,315
They see the problems
that they're experiencing.
864
00:47:18,399 --> 00:47:20,651
The government wasn't responding
to their needs.
865
00:47:20,734 --> 00:47:22,736
The law certainly
didn't do that.
866
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:24,989
Capitalism seemed
to have run amok.
867
00:47:25,072 --> 00:47:26,615
It wasn't helping anyone.
868
00:47:27,032 --> 00:47:31,662
Capra was always, always
in touch with the audience,
869
00:47:32,037 --> 00:47:35,457
not just in terms of what
they wanted in entertainment
870
00:47:35,541 --> 00:47:39,628
but who they were emotionally
as Americans.
871
00:47:40,921 --> 00:47:42,589
Were you
some kind of a populist,
872
00:47:42,673 --> 00:47:44,091
or was there something
in the fact
873
00:47:44,174 --> 00:47:46,303
that you had been
a poor kid yourself
874
00:47:46,386 --> 00:47:48,388
and somewhere in the American,
875
00:47:49,014 --> 00:47:51,057
you'd found your way upward?
876
00:47:51,433 --> 00:47:54,185
The kind of pictures I made
from It Happened One Night on
877
00:47:54,769 --> 00:47:56,855
were my way of saying,
"Thanks, America,
878
00:47:56,938 --> 00:48:00,692
"for giving me the opportunity",
because only in America,
879
00:48:00,775 --> 00:48:04,904
it can happen that a son
of illiterate parent peasants
880
00:48:05,405 --> 00:48:07,407
could get this kind
of an education that I'd had.
881
00:48:07,490 --> 00:48:10,994
And then be allowed to use
whatever talents he had.
882
00:48:11,786 --> 00:48:13,413
You can't quit now.
883
00:48:13,496 --> 00:48:17,584
Not you. They aren't all Taylors
and Paines in Washington.
884
00:48:17,667 --> 00:48:20,170
That kind just throw
big shadows, that's all.
885
00:48:21,212 --> 00:48:23,548
You didn't just
have faith in Paine
886
00:48:23,632 --> 00:48:25,008
or any other living man.
887
00:48:25,091 --> 00:48:27,260
You had faith in something
bigger than that.
888
00:48:27,344 --> 00:48:31,306
You had plain, decent,
everyday common rightness,
889
00:48:31,389 --> 00:48:33,726
and this country could use
some of that.
890
00:48:38,397 --> 00:48:40,358
He had a love for people.
891
00:48:40,441 --> 00:48:43,819
You see it in the faces
of Capra's people.
892
00:48:43,903 --> 00:48:45,363
If you look at a Capra movie,
893
00:48:45,446 --> 00:48:49,784
it is cast down
to the smallest part.
894
00:48:49,867 --> 00:48:54,163
The faces speak so clearly
of character.
895
00:48:54,246 --> 00:48:56,415
It was very important to me
who played the smaller parts.
896
00:48:56,499 --> 00:48:58,709
I treated all the small parts
as star parts.
897
00:48:59,335 --> 00:49:00,962
I use people. I love people.
898
00:49:01,879 --> 00:49:05,508
Capra's films have
an expansiveness to them.
899
00:49:05,591 --> 00:49:08,177
They seem to speak
to the desires of many people
900
00:49:08,260 --> 00:49:12,556
in the audience, but they also
have incredible limits, too.
901
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,724
And we can see that
902
00:49:13,808 --> 00:49:16,852
in the overarching
whiteness of his films
903
00:49:16,936 --> 00:49:19,523
and his unwillingness to talk
904
00:49:19,606 --> 00:49:22,276
about anything
other than whiteness
905
00:49:22,359 --> 00:49:23,610
for the most part.
906
00:49:24,278 --> 00:49:27,030
The expansiveness,
the broadness of Capra's films,
907
00:49:27,114 --> 00:49:28,407
we always have to keep in mind
908
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:30,284
that there are
those limits, too,
909
00:49:30,367 --> 00:49:33,495
that certainly
weren't unique to him,
910
00:49:33,578 --> 00:49:36,456
but that perhaps he could have
done a much better job at.
911
00:49:36,999 --> 00:49:38,500
This John Doe meeting's gonna be
912
00:49:38,583 --> 00:49:40,127
{\an8}one of the biggest things
that ever happened.
913
00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:41,503
{\an8}And why they're coming
from all over.
914
00:49:41,586 --> 00:49:43,547
{\an8}Trains, boxcars, wagons.
915
00:50:11,242 --> 00:50:14,370
Frank Capra movies
will frequently show
916
00:50:14,454 --> 00:50:17,415
people being kind and wonderful
917
00:50:17,498 --> 00:50:20,627
and even noble
on an individual basis.
918
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:25,381
But large groups of people
are frequently sinister
919
00:50:25,465 --> 00:50:26,674
by contrast.
920
00:50:35,850 --> 00:50:38,144
One of your critics has argued
921
00:50:38,227 --> 00:50:40,313
that implicit
in all of your films
922
00:50:40,396 --> 00:50:43,358
is a distrust of the majority.
923
00:50:43,441 --> 00:50:45,360
I'm not against a crowd
of individuals.
924
00:50:45,443 --> 00:50:46,778
I'm against the mass.
925
00:50:46,903 --> 00:50:50,698
{\an8}I'm against the mass conforming.
926
00:50:50,782 --> 00:50:53,035
{\an8}I'm not against a crowd
of individuals.
927
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,999
And I think that the majority
does tend to be the herd.
928
00:50:59,083 --> 00:51:02,169
{\an8}They can be conformed
and channelised
929
00:51:02,252 --> 00:51:04,171
{\an8}and allow themselves
to be channelised.
930
00:51:04,588 --> 00:51:07,591
And it's only those guys
that stick their heads up, say,
931
00:51:07,675 --> 00:51:10,344
"I don't want to go this way.
I want to go this way".
932
00:51:11,845 --> 00:51:13,973
And that I'm interested in,
933
00:51:14,056 --> 00:51:15,891
and I think the world
is interested in
934
00:51:15,975 --> 00:51:19,395
and I think that the humanity
is interested in.
935
00:51:20,562 --> 00:51:24,233
I think this reflects
Frank Capra's
936
00:51:24,316 --> 00:51:27,778
peculiar, if not
political outlook,
937
00:51:27,861 --> 00:51:30,990
than his kind of
intellectual outlook.
938
00:51:31,073 --> 00:51:36,328
He, you know, loved humanity
on a one-by-one basis.
939
00:51:36,412 --> 00:51:39,833
Not so much in vast numbers.
940
00:51:40,542 --> 00:51:43,253
Heroes in the film
are very individualistic
941
00:51:43,336 --> 00:51:44,671
and very self-sufficient,
942
00:51:44,754 --> 00:51:47,799
and that was his experience
in life.
943
00:51:48,008 --> 00:51:50,760
He was an immigrant,
he was an outsider
944
00:51:50,844 --> 00:51:54,681
and I think he's therefore
very inherently sympathetic
945
00:51:54,764 --> 00:51:57,142
with the individual
versus the system.
946
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,022
The political dimensions
of the films
947
00:52:02,105 --> 00:52:03,440
are kind of all over the place.
948
00:52:04,149 --> 00:52:07,235
Robert Riskin, who wrote so many
of those first great films
949
00:52:07,319 --> 00:52:10,572
was very much an FDR Democrat
at this time.
950
00:52:10,655 --> 00:52:12,157
Capra was a Republican.
951
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:13,366
But he was a Republican
952
00:52:13,450 --> 00:52:16,036
at a time when there was a
progressive wing of that party
953
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:17,954
that was marked by
a sort of critique
954
00:52:18,038 --> 00:52:20,206
of the excess of capitalism.
955
00:52:20,290 --> 00:52:22,542
So that made it possible
for him to make films
956
00:52:22,626 --> 00:52:25,420
with New Deal Democrats.
957
00:52:25,503 --> 00:52:28,841
And together they could
kind of produce an America
958
00:52:28,924 --> 00:52:32,678
that seemed both apolitical
and political at the same time.
959
00:52:32,762 --> 00:52:35,681
Both left and right, I suppose,
960
00:52:35,765 --> 00:52:39,226
can all see some value in
standing up for the individual,
961
00:52:39,310 --> 00:52:43,981
being oppressed by society
and fighting corruption.
962
00:52:44,106 --> 00:52:45,650
-Order, gentlemen.
-Mr President!
963
00:52:45,733 --> 00:52:47,693
I stand guilty as framed,
964
00:52:47,777 --> 00:52:49,737
because Section 40 is graft.
965
00:52:49,820 --> 00:52:52,406
And I was ready to say so.
I was ready to tell you
966
00:52:52,490 --> 00:52:55,034
that a certain man
in my state, a Mr James Taylor,
967
00:52:55,117 --> 00:52:57,453
wanted to put through this dam
for his own profit.
968
00:52:57,536 --> 00:53:00,456
A man who controls
a political machine
969
00:53:00,539 --> 00:53:03,334
and controls everything else
worth controlling in my state.
970
00:53:03,417 --> 00:53:06,128
Yes, a man even powerful enough
to control Congressmen.
971
00:53:06,212 --> 00:53:07,713
And I saw three of them
in his room
972
00:53:07,797 --> 00:53:09,131
the day I went up to see him.
973
00:53:09,215 --> 00:53:11,384
-Will the Senator yield?
-No, sir, I will not yield!
974
00:53:12,927 --> 00:53:16,223
My films were more to uplift
975
00:53:16,306 --> 00:53:18,850
the people
from their everyday miseries,
976
00:53:18,934 --> 00:53:21,353
than to sort of change things.
977
00:53:21,436 --> 00:53:23,605
I was aiming at
978
00:53:26,650 --> 00:53:28,735
the general folds of humanity,
979
00:53:28,819 --> 00:53:33,907
and sort of trying to glorify
the compassionate,
980
00:53:33,991 --> 00:53:37,536
the forgiving,
the merciful, and so forth.
981
00:53:43,208 --> 00:53:45,294
The interesting thing about
982
00:53:45,377 --> 00:53:48,714
a man like Frank Capra,
with his success...
983
00:53:48,797 --> 00:53:52,551
Everybody's always
going to define him.
984
00:53:52,634 --> 00:53:54,177
He hated that.
985
00:53:55,429 --> 00:53:57,681
I was a Capra fan,
986
00:53:57,764 --> 00:53:59,599
a great admirer of his films.
987
00:53:59,683 --> 00:54:00,935
So, I called up Capra
988
00:54:01,019 --> 00:54:02,729
and I said,
"I'd like to interview you".
989
00:54:02,812 --> 00:54:05,982
Went down to Palm Springs.
He lived in La Quinta nearby.
990
00:54:06,858 --> 00:54:09,444
And I went to his home.
991
00:54:09,527 --> 00:54:12,322
He had
a sprawling white ranch house
992
00:54:12,405 --> 00:54:14,115
with a gigantic American flag.
993
00:54:14,198 --> 00:54:16,618
And we were talking
and he was giving me
994
00:54:16,701 --> 00:54:18,828
his whole Frank Capra rap about
995
00:54:18,911 --> 00:54:20,747
the little guy
against the system.
996
00:54:20,830 --> 00:54:23,666
He was telling me how he
hated bankers and rich people.
997
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:25,501
And then,
a man came to the table.
998
00:54:25,585 --> 00:54:28,504
He had this envelope
full of pictures of Capra
999
00:54:28,588 --> 00:54:31,090
playing golf with
President Gerald Ford.
1000
00:54:31,174 --> 00:54:32,800
And he spread them on the table,
1001
00:54:32,884 --> 00:54:35,386
and Capra said, "Oh, God.
Look at Gerry Ford.
1002
00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:37,221
"He's such a great guy."
1003
00:54:38,139 --> 00:54:40,391
There was a picture
in particular that struck me,
1004
00:54:40,475 --> 00:54:41,809
that Capra was putting,
1005
00:54:41,893 --> 00:54:43,978
and Gerald Ford
was holding the pin for him,
1006
00:54:44,062 --> 00:54:46,732
and I thought this was amazing.
What a symbolic picture,
1007
00:54:46,815 --> 00:54:49,818
the immigrant with the president
holding the pen for you.
1008
00:54:49,902 --> 00:54:53,072
That's kind of
the ultimate American dream.
1009
00:54:53,155 --> 00:54:55,908
The guy said, "I'll make
copies of the pictures for you",
1010
00:54:55,991 --> 00:54:57,368
and Capra said,
"Thank you very much",
1011
00:54:57,451 --> 00:54:59,995
And then, he turned to me
and he said, "Where was I?
1012
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:03,624
"Oh, yeah, I was telling you how
I hate bankers and rich people."
1013
00:55:03,707 --> 00:55:07,503
And he launched back
into his rap without a pause,
1014
00:55:07,586 --> 00:55:10,381
and I thought, "This guy
is not what he seems to be".
1015
00:55:15,803 --> 00:55:18,263
People, for a long time,
1016
00:55:18,347 --> 00:55:21,892
assumed that the movies
that they had seen,
1017
00:55:21,976 --> 00:55:26,021
which were ultimately
loving about America,
1018
00:55:26,105 --> 00:55:31,068
embraced a certain type
of liberal politics.
1019
00:55:31,151 --> 00:55:35,365
And then, people started
to look more closely at him,
1020
00:55:35,448 --> 00:55:40,662
and they discovered that there
was another side to Frank Capra.
1021
00:55:40,745 --> 00:55:44,499
There was a side that thought
people should be out there,
1022
00:55:44,582 --> 00:55:48,712
pulling themselves up
by their bootstraps like he did.
1023
00:55:48,795 --> 00:55:52,382
So, he was a complex person,
1024
00:55:52,465 --> 00:55:54,801
and I think, at some point,
1025
00:55:54,884 --> 00:55:59,180
people started
seeing that as a flaw,
1026
00:55:59,264 --> 00:56:02,142
that this the kind of
rock-ribbed conservative
1027
00:56:02,225 --> 00:56:07,230
was existing alongside
the movies that they had loved.
1028
00:56:09,816 --> 00:56:11,443
Penny,
1029
00:56:11,526 --> 00:56:14,904
why don't you write
a play about ism-mania.
1030
00:56:14,988 --> 00:56:17,699
-Ism-mania.
-Yeah, sure.
1031
00:56:17,782 --> 00:56:22,455
{\an8}You know, communism,
fascism, voodooism.
1032
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:25,583
Everybody's got
an ism these says.
1033
00:56:26,542 --> 00:56:29,503
I thought it was
an itch or something.
1034
00:56:29,587 --> 00:56:31,297
Well, it's just as catching.
1035
00:56:31,380 --> 00:56:33,507
When things go
a little bad nowadays,
1036
00:56:33,591 --> 00:56:35,801
you go out
and get yourself an ism,
1037
00:56:35,885 --> 00:56:37,803
and you're in business.
1038
00:56:37,887 --> 00:56:39,472
I've got it.
It might help Cynthia
1039
00:56:39,555 --> 00:56:41,599
to have an ism in the monastery.
1040
00:56:43,267 --> 00:56:44,852
And why is that?
1041
00:56:45,603 --> 00:56:49,607
For the best-directed picture
of the year,
1042
00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:51,442
You Can't Take It with You,
1043
00:56:51,525 --> 00:56:56,238
on behalf of the Academy of
Motion Picture Arts and Sciences
1044
00:56:56,322 --> 00:57:00,409
we present to you,
Frank Capra, this award.
1045
00:57:00,493 --> 00:57:04,789
As you know, this is
the third time you have won
1046
00:57:04,872 --> 00:57:07,124
this highest of our awards,
1047
00:57:07,209 --> 00:57:09,378
and in all sincerity
from my heart,
1048
00:57:09,461 --> 00:57:10,921
I thank you.
1049
00:57:11,004 --> 00:57:13,006
Thank you very much, Mr Niblo.
1050
00:57:13,090 --> 00:57:15,175
I'm very happy
to have this again.
1051
00:57:15,258 --> 00:57:16,426
Thank you.
1052
00:57:17,678 --> 00:57:20,639
He, quite conceivably,
by 1935 or so,
1053
00:57:20,722 --> 00:57:22,766
was the most famous filmmaker
in the world,
1054
00:57:22,849 --> 00:57:24,768
or certainly,
one of two or three.
1055
00:57:24,851 --> 00:57:29,314
Frank Capra really turned
this aspect of self-promotion
1056
00:57:29,398 --> 00:57:30,649
into something of an art,
1057
00:57:30,732 --> 00:57:35,696
and he used that as a tool
1058
00:57:35,779 --> 00:57:41,660
to create, horrid word,
a "brand", if you will.
1059
00:57:41,743 --> 00:57:45,455
In the late 1930s, he's on
the cover of Time magazine,
1060
00:57:45,539 --> 00:57:47,582
and I think
he's the first director
1061
00:57:47,666 --> 00:57:49,126
on the cover of Time.
1062
00:57:49,209 --> 00:57:51,336
And the tagline
for that cover is,
1063
00:57:51,420 --> 00:57:54,215
"His stories can't top
his story".
1064
00:57:54,299 --> 00:57:56,134
And inside, they told the story
1065
00:57:56,217 --> 00:57:58,177
of a little boy
who comes from Palermo,
1066
00:57:58,261 --> 00:58:00,722
who has a terrible life,
makes it big.
1067
00:58:00,805 --> 00:58:04,142
So, I think his life, as it was
understood in the press,
1068
00:58:04,225 --> 00:58:06,269
by the people
who went to see his films,
1069
00:58:06,352 --> 00:58:08,855
was really an important part
of why his films
1070
00:58:08,938 --> 00:58:11,482
were so appealing
to so many at that time.
1071
00:58:11,566 --> 00:58:15,236
They saw in him a person
who they could relate to,
1072
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,823
understand, and who
they felt understood things
1073
00:58:18,906 --> 00:58:20,158
the way that they did.
1074
00:58:23,077 --> 00:58:26,164
Hollywood reaches far,
carrying its cargo of dreams
1075
00:58:26,247 --> 00:58:28,625
to almost every city
and village in America.
1076
00:58:28,708 --> 00:58:30,585
It seemed to me,
there was some kind...
1077
00:58:30,668 --> 00:58:32,003
Film offered some kind
1078
00:58:32,086 --> 00:58:34,589
of a social cement,
if you will, for people.
1079
00:58:34,672 --> 00:58:36,799
Yes, I think films offered hope.
1080
00:58:38,801 --> 00:58:40,094
And they go out of theatres
1081
00:58:40,178 --> 00:58:41,680
feeling much better
than they went in.
1082
00:58:42,556 --> 00:58:43,849
They were lifted.
1083
00:58:45,392 --> 00:58:50,022
Movie-going in the Depression
and through World War II
1084
00:58:50,105 --> 00:58:52,733
was different
than the way it is now.
1085
00:58:52,816 --> 00:58:58,322
Then, everyone saw virtually
the same movies,
1086
00:58:58,405 --> 00:59:02,242
and that creates the sense
of movies being a myth,
1087
00:59:02,326 --> 00:59:04,495
that we can all
1088
00:59:04,578 --> 00:59:08,332
have the same
frame of reference in our minds,
1089
00:59:08,415 --> 00:59:11,835
we've all been through
the same thing together,
1090
00:59:11,919 --> 00:59:16,256
not just as citizens
of a country, but as filmgoers.
1091
00:59:16,340 --> 00:59:20,010
That alone gives filmmakers
in Capra's generation
1092
00:59:20,094 --> 00:59:23,806
more power than you can imagine
a filmmaker having today.
1093
00:59:23,889 --> 00:59:25,766
I mean,
you have to think of Capra,
1094
00:59:25,849 --> 00:59:29,270
in a way, as another FDR
in that sense.
1095
00:59:29,938 --> 00:59:33,274
That is going to create
a lot of suspicion
1096
00:59:33,358 --> 00:59:36,778
as soon as people begin
to interrogate
1097
00:59:36,861 --> 00:59:39,114
what it's like
for someone in the media
1098
00:59:39,197 --> 00:59:40,907
to have that much power.
1099
00:59:40,991 --> 00:59:43,076
And Capra knew
he had that power,
1100
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:45,161
and so, too,
did the American government
1101
00:59:45,245 --> 00:59:46,288
when they brought Capra in
1102
00:59:46,371 --> 00:59:48,748
to make what would become
the Why We Fight series.
1103
00:59:59,217 --> 01:00:03,179
{\an8}Causes and events leading up
to our entry into the war.
1104
01:00:04,097 --> 01:00:06,057
Well, what are the causes?
1105
01:00:06,850 --> 01:00:09,561
Why are we, Americans
on the march?
1106
01:00:10,895 --> 01:00:12,063
Is it because of...
1107
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:18,738
Pearl Harbor?
1108
01:00:21,699 --> 01:00:23,409
Is that why we are fighting?
1109
01:00:24,118 --> 01:00:25,911
Or is it because of...
1110
01:00:26,871 --> 01:00:28,205
Britain?
1111
01:00:35,379 --> 01:00:37,673
Who was the genius
behind all this?
1112
01:00:37,757 --> 01:00:41,010
Who made the films that moved
presidents, prime ministers
1113
01:00:41,093 --> 01:00:44,513
and millions of citizens
and soldiers around the world?
1114
01:00:44,597 --> 01:00:46,223
To answer the Nazis,
1115
01:00:46,307 --> 01:00:49,977
the American government
turned to Hollywood, California,
1116
01:00:50,061 --> 01:00:52,563
and to a cocky
little immigrant from Sicily
1117
01:00:52,647 --> 01:00:53,856
named Frank Capra.
1118
01:00:53,939 --> 01:00:55,941
The United States of America,
1119
01:00:56,025 --> 01:00:59,111
when the war broke out,
found itself the only country
1120
01:00:59,195 --> 01:01:01,615
that didn't have
a big propaganda machine.
1121
01:01:01,698 --> 01:01:04,618
So, we had to get organised
and get propaganda.
1122
01:01:04,701 --> 01:01:08,121
As soon as the war starts,
Capra wants to join up.
1123
01:01:08,205 --> 01:01:09,915
He wants to get involved.
1124
01:01:09,998 --> 01:01:11,416
He wants to make films.
1125
01:01:12,084 --> 01:01:15,128
American soldiers
mobilised for war,
1126
01:01:15,212 --> 01:01:17,756
and with them,
Major Frank Capra.
1127
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:19,174
Forty-five years old,
1128
01:01:19,257 --> 01:01:22,219
salary, $250 a month.
1129
01:01:22,928 --> 01:01:25,389
Capra reports directly
to Chief of Staff,
1130
01:01:25,472 --> 01:01:27,140
General George C. Marshall.
1131
01:01:27,224 --> 01:01:30,102
When you first called on General
Marshall at the Pentagon,
1132
01:01:30,185 --> 01:01:32,521
what did he tell you
he wanted you to do?
1133
01:01:32,604 --> 01:01:34,815
He called me in, and then,
1134
01:01:34,898 --> 01:01:39,653
he said, "We have
an enormous problem".
1135
01:01:39,736 --> 01:01:43,198
He said, "We know that
if you shoot an American,
1136
01:01:43,281 --> 01:01:44,449
"he'll shoot back".
1137
01:01:44,533 --> 01:01:47,619
But can he take this
being away from home?
1138
01:01:47,703 --> 01:01:49,580
Can he take this discipline?
1139
01:01:49,664 --> 01:01:50,790
And his answer?
1140
01:01:50,873 --> 01:01:53,042
"In my opinion,
1141
01:01:53,126 --> 01:01:57,171
"he can if we tell him
what he's fighting about."
1142
01:01:57,255 --> 01:01:59,507
So, General Marshall
was asking you in effect
1143
01:01:59,590 --> 01:02:01,801
to give the boys
a reason to fight.
1144
01:02:01,884 --> 01:02:05,888
Give the boys
a reason to fight and don't lie.
1145
01:02:05,972 --> 01:02:08,558
But your films
were comedies in Hollywood.
1146
01:02:08,641 --> 01:02:11,686
He wanted somebody
to reach the people.
1147
01:02:11,769 --> 01:02:13,604
Was able to reach the people,
1148
01:02:13,688 --> 01:02:16,399
and I had been able
to reach the people in my films,
1149
01:02:16,482 --> 01:02:19,110
and make them laugh and cry,
make them like things.
1150
01:02:19,193 --> 01:02:22,155
Here, I got the greatest heroes,
the greatest villains
1151
01:02:22,238 --> 01:02:24,240
on the world stage.
1152
01:02:25,575 --> 01:02:27,994
Real. Not actors. Real.
1153
01:02:38,714 --> 01:02:42,259
In Italy, they had
a shorter word. "Fascism."
1154
01:02:44,178 --> 01:02:47,097
In Japan,
they had lots of names for it.
1155
01:02:47,181 --> 01:02:49,350
A new era of enlightenment.
1156
01:02:49,433 --> 01:02:52,269
Capra says he's
starting the war in Hollywood.
1157
01:02:52,353 --> 01:02:54,521
The Why We Fight films
are just extraordinary.
1158
01:02:54,605 --> 01:02:58,067
They're films that involve
collage, animation,
1159
01:02:58,150 --> 01:03:02,738
multiple voices telling
the stories, found footage.
1160
01:03:02,821 --> 01:03:06,241
They almost seem like
avant-garde films to us now.
1161
01:03:07,034 --> 01:03:09,787
They say trouble
always comes in threes.
1162
01:03:10,746 --> 01:03:13,499
Take a good close look
at this trio.
1163
01:03:13,582 --> 01:03:15,751
Remember these faces.
1164
01:03:17,336 --> 01:03:18,712
Remember them well.
1165
01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:21,758
If you ever meet them,
don't hesitate.
1166
01:03:22,676 --> 01:03:25,345
The films
are simplistic in some ways.
1167
01:03:25,428 --> 01:03:27,722
The way they develop
ideas of good and bad.
1168
01:03:27,806 --> 01:03:32,018
But they're also sophisticated,
not just aesthetically,
1169
01:03:32,102 --> 01:03:34,145
but in how
they have to talk about
1170
01:03:34,229 --> 01:03:36,106
the realities of the world.
1171
01:03:36,189 --> 01:03:39,484
Here was the Italy that
Mussolini took over in 1922.
1172
01:03:39,567 --> 01:03:42,278
And almost his first act
was to tell the Italians
1173
01:03:42,362 --> 01:03:44,739
they were
the rightful owners of Corsica,
1174
01:03:45,365 --> 01:03:47,951
Nice, Savoie,
1175
01:03:48,034 --> 01:03:51,079
Albania, Tunisia,
1176
01:03:51,162 --> 01:03:55,166
Ethiopia, and a land corridor
linking it with Libya.
1177
01:03:55,250 --> 01:03:57,794
He's making myths about the war
in these war films.
1178
01:03:57,877 --> 01:03:59,421
There's no question about that.
1179
01:03:59,504 --> 01:04:03,216
And he creates a history
that goes back to Buddha,
1180
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:05,719
Muhammad, which is
extraordinary to think about,
1181
01:04:05,802 --> 01:04:07,679
Christ, Jefferson.
1182
01:04:07,762 --> 01:04:08,764
Moses.
1183
01:04:11,851 --> 01:04:13,352
Muhammad.
1184
01:04:15,271 --> 01:04:16,272
Confucius.
1185
01:04:21,068 --> 01:04:22,111
Christ.
1186
01:04:25,531 --> 01:04:27,742
All believe that
in the sight of God,
1187
01:04:27,825 --> 01:04:29,910
all men were created equal.
1188
01:04:29,994 --> 01:04:33,581
And from that, there developed
a spirit among men and nations
1189
01:04:33,664 --> 01:04:36,709
which is best expressed in our
own Declaration of Freedom.
1190
01:04:36,792 --> 01:04:39,962
{\an8}So, he creates
a kind of global myth
1191
01:04:40,046 --> 01:04:43,841
{\an8}that is, we ourselves
come from a world history
1192
01:04:43,924 --> 01:04:47,637
{\an8}that leads to
a particular form of democracy
1193
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,096
{\an8}that now is at risk.
1194
01:04:49,180 --> 01:04:52,058
{\an8}It's certainly true
that his films before that
1195
01:04:52,141 --> 01:04:55,646
{\an8}had engaged
in a kind of mythic practice.
1196
01:04:55,729 --> 01:04:58,565
{\an8}That government of the people,
1197
01:04:58,649 --> 01:05:02,486
{\an8}by the people, for the people
1198
01:05:02,569 --> 01:05:04,946
{\an8}shall not perish from the Earth.
1199
01:05:18,835 --> 01:05:20,837
Not until we showed him
some of the stuff
1200
01:05:20,921 --> 01:05:23,840
that we got at Dachau, that
George Stevens photographed,
1201
01:05:23,924 --> 01:05:28,428
did it actually impinge itself
on the mind,
1202
01:05:28,512 --> 01:05:31,348
the horror of this whole thing.
1203
01:05:32,933 --> 01:05:36,520
It left me just speechless,
1204
01:05:37,688 --> 01:05:40,107
colourless, bloodless.
1205
01:05:41,984 --> 01:05:45,530
I couldn't possibly believe
that there was
1206
01:05:45,613 --> 01:05:49,283
that kind of a savagery
in the world, you see?
1207
01:05:50,368 --> 01:05:51,452
Between men.
1208
01:05:52,704 --> 01:05:56,249
Men, the highest
of all the animals.
1209
01:05:56,332 --> 01:06:00,295
Man... It's man who created God
1210
01:06:00,378 --> 01:06:02,714
and man who created
all kinds of things.
1211
01:06:03,464 --> 01:06:08,136
{\an8}To end up here
in a pile of bones, burned.
1212
01:06:08,219 --> 01:06:11,222
{\an8}So, that was a terrible shock.
1213
01:06:15,518 --> 01:06:17,937
The question
of the goodness of people,
1214
01:06:18,021 --> 01:06:21,024
the question of,
"What is humanity?
1215
01:06:21,107 --> 01:06:25,737
"What can we hold on to
and believe in?" was a challenge
1216
01:06:25,820 --> 01:06:29,742
after he did the job he did
in World War II.
1217
01:06:29,825 --> 01:06:33,662
He handled a great many
atrocity photos.
1218
01:06:33,746 --> 01:06:37,249
The atrocity photos were
part of what he was doing,
1219
01:06:37,333 --> 01:06:39,543
and he saw them,
he had to look at them,
1220
01:06:39,626 --> 01:06:43,172
handle them every day,
and it upset him,
1221
01:06:43,255 --> 01:06:47,885
it changed him, and it damaged
his faith in human beings.
1222
01:06:47,968 --> 01:06:51,180
I think, in fact,
he was one of those veterans,
1223
01:06:51,263 --> 01:06:53,557
even though
he didn't see battle,
1224
01:06:53,641 --> 01:06:55,684
who came back and perhaps
1225
01:06:55,768 --> 01:06:59,188
had a great deal
of trouble adjusting.
1226
01:06:59,271 --> 01:07:03,317
I was away
almost six years from camera.
1227
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:07,488
We came back to Hollywood
and we didn't know anybody.
1228
01:07:09,698 --> 01:07:12,409
People introduced me
to somebody and they'd say,
1229
01:07:12,493 --> 01:07:13,869
"Frank who?"
1230
01:07:13,952 --> 01:07:17,165
Capra comes back after the war,
ready to make films.
1231
01:07:17,248 --> 01:07:19,084
He certainly wants to work.
1232
01:07:19,167 --> 01:07:21,670
He understands that
the future of film production
1233
01:07:21,753 --> 01:07:24,839
might not be at the studios
but might be more independent.
1234
01:07:25,632 --> 01:07:28,927
These were
the three absolute titans,
1235
01:07:29,010 --> 01:07:32,222
titans of mid-century cinema,
1236
01:07:32,305 --> 01:07:36,142
George Stevens,
William Wyler and Frank Capra,
1237
01:07:36,226 --> 01:07:38,812
to form "Liberty Films".
1238
01:07:38,895 --> 01:07:42,565
That name
is not chosen by accident.
1239
01:07:42,649 --> 01:07:44,234
That's what
they thought they had
1240
01:07:44,317 --> 01:07:47,404
was their liberty, and they had
chafed under the studio system.
1241
01:07:47,487 --> 01:07:50,490
It's a very big deal, and there
are tonnes of articles about it
1242
01:07:50,573 --> 01:07:53,618
in Time magazine, and Newsweek,
and all the newspapers.
1243
01:07:53,702 --> 01:07:56,246
But, of course, Capra was
the only one who was able
1244
01:07:56,329 --> 01:07:58,707
to make films for Liberty,
the production company.
1245
01:07:58,790 --> 01:08:01,418
Wyler and Stevens were both
committed to other studios,
1246
01:08:01,501 --> 01:08:04,672
and couldn't make any films
for the company they had formed.
1247
01:08:04,755 --> 01:08:07,091
This is a brilliant move.
1248
01:08:07,174 --> 01:08:10,177
This is a really smart
business move.
1249
01:08:10,261 --> 01:08:11,846
Three of the biggest
1250
01:08:11,929 --> 01:08:15,891
and best directors
of America get together.
1251
01:08:15,975 --> 01:08:19,020
They're going to make
some movies they want to make
1252
01:08:19,103 --> 01:08:21,230
the way they want to make them,
1253
01:08:21,314 --> 01:08:23,440
and distribute them
through Paramount.
1254
01:08:24,233 --> 01:08:25,734
What could go wrong?
1255
01:08:26,569 --> 01:08:29,447
What could go wrong?
Everything, obviously.
1256
01:08:36,453 --> 01:08:39,915
Why is It's a Wonderful Life
your favourite film?
1257
01:08:39,998 --> 01:08:42,083
I keep reading that.
1258
01:08:42,167 --> 01:08:44,252
Why do you like that the best?
1259
01:08:44,337 --> 01:08:46,422
Because I think it expresses
1260
01:08:46,505 --> 01:08:48,716
what I've been trying to say
in the other films
1261
01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:50,802
better than the other films.
1262
01:08:51,386 --> 01:08:53,096
I don't know
how many of you here
1263
01:08:53,180 --> 01:08:55,724
have seen It's a Wonderful Life.
1264
01:08:55,807 --> 01:08:57,642
How many of you have seen it?
1265
01:09:02,606 --> 01:09:03,981
Thank you very much.
1266
01:09:04,066 --> 01:09:07,026
But it is one
of those films that...
1267
01:09:08,654 --> 01:09:10,905
I break down
every time I see it,
1268
01:09:10,989 --> 01:09:12,615
and I made the goddamn thing.
1269
01:09:13,659 --> 01:09:16,494
It's just
one of those things that
1270
01:09:16,578 --> 01:09:20,999
that gets you inside,
and shows you what you can be,
1271
01:09:21,083 --> 01:09:23,334
what we can do,
1272
01:09:24,168 --> 01:09:26,046
and how precious life is,
1273
01:09:27,297 --> 01:09:29,423
and how wonderful life is.
1274
01:09:31,968 --> 01:09:33,971
{\an8}Hello, Bedford Falls!
1275
01:09:36,848 --> 01:09:38,601
Merry Christmas!
1276
01:09:38,685 --> 01:09:40,477
-Merry Christmas!
-Merry Christmas!
1277
01:09:40,561 --> 01:09:42,187
Merry Christmas, George!
1278
01:09:42,271 --> 01:09:45,232
Merry Christmas, movie house!
1279
01:09:45,316 --> 01:09:47,819
{\an8}Merry Christmas, Emporium!
1280
01:09:48,902 --> 01:09:52,573
{\an8}Merry Christmas, you
wonderful old Building & Loan!
1281
01:09:58,204 --> 01:10:00,540
Merry Christmas, Mr Potter!
1282
01:10:00,623 --> 01:10:03,167
Happy New Year to you, in jail!
1283
01:10:03,251 --> 01:10:05,461
Go on home.
They're waiting for you.
1284
01:10:05,545 --> 01:10:07,213
When people
talk about Capra's films,
1285
01:10:07,296 --> 01:10:09,716
they always remember
the optimistic side,
1286
01:10:09,799 --> 01:10:13,428
the happy endings,
the guy getting the girl,
1287
01:10:13,511 --> 01:10:14,595
that kind of thing.
1288
01:10:14,679 --> 01:10:18,683
But they forget, or tend not
to think about, the darker side.
1289
01:10:18,766 --> 01:10:22,603
The comedy is born
from pain and anguish.
1290
01:10:22,687 --> 01:10:24,064
That's where it comes from.
1291
01:10:24,148 --> 01:10:26,608
And I think that's one of
the strongest qualities
1292
01:10:26,692 --> 01:10:28,152
of It's a Wonderful Life.
1293
01:10:28,235 --> 01:10:31,864
A lot of his films, below
the surface of the films,
1294
01:10:31,947 --> 01:10:34,450
have anger, resentment
and violence,
1295
01:10:34,533 --> 01:10:37,494
and we see this, too, in
Mr Smith goes to Washington,
1296
01:10:37,578 --> 01:10:39,038
when he beats up the reporters
1297
01:10:39,121 --> 01:10:41,457
who have written these
terrible things about him.
1298
01:10:41,540 --> 01:10:44,168
There's always
an undertone of violence.
1299
01:10:44,251 --> 01:10:47,338
There's always an undertone that
things might get out of control.
1300
01:10:47,421 --> 01:10:50,799
There's an undertone that
things can be scary really fast.
1301
01:10:52,217 --> 01:10:53,260
Get over there.
1302
01:10:54,678 --> 01:10:56,597
See how you're gonna
like it this time.
1303
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,182
See what good your money will do
1304
01:10:58,265 --> 01:11:00,768
when you're six feet under.
Never thought of that, did you?
1305
01:11:00,851 --> 01:11:03,646
No. All you ever thought of
was pinching pennies,
1306
01:11:03,729 --> 01:11:04,980
you money-grabbing hick!
1307
01:11:05,064 --> 01:11:08,108
Virtually every character
is driven to madness
1308
01:11:08,192 --> 01:11:10,612
or every main character
is driven to madness,
1309
01:11:10,695 --> 01:11:12,447
or to the brink of suicide.
1310
01:11:12,530 --> 01:11:16,117
And there's real rage there
in those moments.
1311
01:11:17,994 --> 01:11:20,413
I love
the roller-coaster feeling
1312
01:11:20,497 --> 01:11:21,790
of his films, emotionally.
1313
01:11:21,873 --> 01:11:23,875
The highs and the lows.
One critic said
1314
01:11:23,958 --> 01:11:25,835
it's like the feeling of life
being lived.
1315
01:11:25,919 --> 01:11:27,879
Every day, there's a mixture
of comedy and drama,
1316
01:11:27,962 --> 01:11:29,631
and highs and lows.
1317
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:34,052
-Let go!
-What's the matter with you?
1318
01:11:34,135 --> 01:11:36,554
I'm not fit to be a Senator!
I'm not fit to live!
1319
01:11:37,013 --> 01:11:38,431
Expel me!
1320
01:11:38,515 --> 01:11:40,350
With a film like
It's a Wonderful Life,
1321
01:11:40,433 --> 01:11:43,103
you wonder how much
of Capra's own experience
1322
01:11:43,186 --> 01:11:46,272
is in the bitterness
we see in George,
1323
01:11:46,356 --> 01:11:48,316
the depression we see in George,
1324
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,361
the general tiredness
that we see in George.
1325
01:11:57,118 --> 01:12:01,288
There's the pharmacist
who beats up the young boy.
1326
01:12:01,372 --> 01:12:03,916
There are the people
who try to destroy the bank.
1327
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,211
There are all kinds of scary
things going on in that film
1328
01:12:07,294 --> 01:12:08,838
that kind of strike us as...
1329
01:12:08,921 --> 01:12:11,674
That's not what we think of
as going on in a Capra film.
1330
01:12:16,387 --> 01:12:20,016
There is a lot
of suicide in Capra,
1331
01:12:20,099 --> 01:12:24,270
or near-suicide, attempted
suicide, planned suicide,
1332
01:12:24,353 --> 01:12:27,273
more than
you might think at first.
1333
01:12:27,356 --> 01:12:30,860
So, that particular theme in
It's a Wonderful Life
1334
01:12:30,943 --> 01:12:33,863
is perhaps not surprising.
1335
01:12:33,946 --> 01:12:38,993
But Capra said later that what
appealed to him about this theme
1336
01:12:39,076 --> 01:12:42,413
was that
it was saying to people,
1337
01:12:42,496 --> 01:12:45,375
"No, you are not a failure".
1338
01:12:54,676 --> 01:12:55,844
Help!
1339
01:12:57,054 --> 01:12:59,890
Help! Help!
1340
01:12:59,973 --> 01:13:04,728
So, here is Capra,
the grand success,
1341
01:13:04,811 --> 01:13:08,607
kind of reaching back
toward Americans
1342
01:13:08,690 --> 01:13:13,904
who maybe hadn't done so hot
in the past 15 or 20 years,
1343
01:13:13,987 --> 01:13:18,408
and telling them,
"You're still in this country.
1344
01:13:18,492 --> 01:13:19,743
"I'm going to show you
1345
01:13:19,826 --> 01:13:22,537
"the things that are still
wonderful about this country
1346
01:13:22,621 --> 01:13:24,998
"and about your life here."
1347
01:13:25,082 --> 01:13:30,421
I sincerely believe that is what
Capra was after with this film.
1348
01:13:31,506 --> 01:13:35,426
We tend to mythologise the film
as something of a bomb.
1349
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:36,803
It certainly wasn't.
1350
01:13:36,886 --> 01:13:38,388
It's a Wonderful Life does well.
1351
01:13:38,471 --> 01:13:41,015
The problem is it cost
so much to make.
1352
01:13:41,099 --> 01:13:43,893
It's something of a disaster
for the company.
1353
01:13:43,977 --> 01:13:47,397
Now, clearly, what's
really worse for the company
1354
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:49,816
is that two-thirds
of the people who formed it
1355
01:13:49,899 --> 01:13:51,067
can't make films for it
1356
01:13:51,150 --> 01:13:54,278
because they're contractually
committed to other studios.
1357
01:13:54,362 --> 01:13:56,698
So, Liberty Films
crashes and burns.
1358
01:13:56,781 --> 01:13:59,117
And the men who formed it,
1359
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,412
Capra, Wyler and Stevens,
sell it
1360
01:14:02,495 --> 01:14:04,747
and all the men go
their separate ways,
1361
01:14:04,831 --> 01:14:06,582
and Capra signs on
with Paramount,
1362
01:14:06,666 --> 01:14:09,627
which really is a death knell.
1363
01:14:09,711 --> 01:14:11,254
Be careful what you wish for.
1364
01:14:11,337 --> 01:14:12,880
It's been tried many times.
1365
01:14:12,964 --> 01:14:15,049
United Artists,
Directors Company,
1366
01:14:15,133 --> 01:14:16,634
Liberty Films.
1367
01:14:16,718 --> 01:14:19,263
It almost never works.
That's telling you something.
1368
01:14:19,346 --> 01:14:22,141
Great directors have
a tremendous amount of freedom,
1369
01:14:22,224 --> 01:14:25,144
all the freedom they want
in the world, right?
1370
01:14:25,227 --> 01:14:28,188
What they want is to have
financial support,
1371
01:14:28,272 --> 01:14:31,775
and marketing support,
and structural support.
1372
01:14:32,609 --> 01:14:36,155
Nobody in my job
who's any good at my job
1373
01:14:36,238 --> 01:14:38,991
is gonna tell a great director
where to place the camera.
1374
01:14:40,117 --> 01:14:43,370
So, they may have
to lift budgets
1375
01:14:43,454 --> 01:14:46,373
and deal
with economic realities.
1376
01:14:46,457 --> 01:14:48,834
But that's the reality
that keeps things going.
1377
01:14:48,917 --> 01:14:51,795
I think, in terms of
the emotional investment
1378
01:14:51,879 --> 01:14:53,964
that Frank Capra
had made in this film,
1379
01:14:54,048 --> 01:14:58,469
really nothing but a big hit
would have satisfied him anyway.
1380
01:14:58,552 --> 01:15:00,346
It was his comeback.
1381
01:15:00,429 --> 01:15:02,514
So, this movie, I think,
1382
01:15:02,598 --> 01:15:05,977
was in no small measure
about saying to Hollywood,
1383
01:15:06,061 --> 01:15:10,315
"Hey, I've still got it.
I've still got that touch
1384
01:15:10,398 --> 01:15:15,487
"that brings in audiences
and moves people."
1385
01:15:15,570 --> 01:15:20,450
And when
It's a Wonderful Life did that,
1386
01:15:20,533 --> 01:15:26,164
but not to
a great world-shaking extent,
1387
01:15:26,247 --> 01:15:29,709
I think that was
very hard on Frank Capra.
1388
01:15:33,838 --> 01:15:36,049
I have to confess that
1389
01:15:36,132 --> 01:15:38,677
the pattern
of Frank Capra's career
1390
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:43,640
after It's a Wonderful Life
is a little mysterious to me.
1391
01:15:43,723 --> 01:15:46,434
This was an older Frank Capra.
1392
01:15:46,518 --> 01:15:48,728
And somehow,
1393
01:15:48,812 --> 01:15:53,901
he couldn't really
get back up off the mat.
1394
01:16:07,540 --> 01:16:08,791
Isn't that nice?
1395
01:16:08,874 --> 01:16:10,668
{\an8}I must say, it's right
neighbourly of you people
1396
01:16:10,751 --> 01:16:12,712
{\an8}who have seen the preview
of Here Comes the Groom
1397
01:16:12,795 --> 01:16:14,171
{\an8}to write a wireless
and apprise us
1398
01:16:14,255 --> 01:16:15,881
of your reactions to this film.
1399
01:16:16,674 --> 01:16:17,717
If I may be immodest
for a moment,
1400
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,886
I must tell you in all candour
the reactions have been good,
1401
01:16:20,970 --> 01:16:23,180
which is easy to understand
because Paramount went out
1402
01:16:23,264 --> 01:16:25,182
and got the down-to-earth,
homey type of story
1403
01:16:25,266 --> 01:16:27,184
that they've been searching
so long for me.
1404
01:16:27,268 --> 01:16:30,021
They got a bang-up cast and
a great director, Frank Capra,
1405
01:16:30,104 --> 01:16:31,397
at the helm,
to direct the picture.
1406
01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:33,566
When Capra makes films
for Paramount,
1407
01:16:33,649 --> 01:16:35,151
he makes them with big stars.
1408
01:16:35,234 --> 01:16:37,696
He makes a couple of films
with Bing Crosby.
1409
01:16:37,779 --> 01:16:39,865
And there is a campaign
to push those films.
1410
01:16:39,948 --> 01:16:42,743
They're a big deal and there's
a lot of PR about the films.
1411
01:16:45,912 --> 01:16:49,583
But no one thinks of them
once they come out
1412
01:16:49,666 --> 01:16:51,960
as anything but minor films.
1413
01:16:52,044 --> 01:16:55,422
These films, Riding High,
Here Comes the Groom,
1414
01:16:55,505 --> 01:17:00,052
are Bing Crosby films
that Capra happened to make.
1415
01:17:00,135 --> 01:17:02,554
As America recovered
from the war,
1416
01:17:02,637 --> 01:17:05,974
the Capra-esque story
of the individual
1417
01:17:06,058 --> 01:17:09,269
lost its urgency
1418
01:17:09,353 --> 01:17:13,774
in the sort of
postwar complacency.
1419
01:17:13,857 --> 01:17:17,986
The feeling that America
could take a breath
1420
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:21,239
didn't really serve Capra
as an artist.
1421
01:17:21,323 --> 01:17:25,453
He needed a fight. There
were still fights to be fought.
1422
01:17:25,536 --> 01:17:27,830
He just didn't find one
in the '50s.
1423
01:17:43,638 --> 01:17:45,390
During the McCarthy years,
1424
01:17:45,473 --> 01:17:47,266
the years of
the Hollywood blacklist,
1425
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:51,145
{\an8}paranoia was rampant,
and the whole question arose
1426
01:17:51,229 --> 01:17:53,272
{\an8}of what it meant
to be a patriot.
1427
01:17:54,190 --> 01:17:56,567
It's a 10-year period or more
1428
01:17:57,235 --> 01:18:01,864
when your politics can
prevent you from having a job.
1429
01:18:01,948 --> 01:18:04,033
The films that were
hailed in the '30s
1430
01:18:04,117 --> 01:18:06,661
were seen in
a different light after the war.
1431
01:18:06,744 --> 01:18:09,330
And so, films like
Mr Deeds and Mr Smith
1432
01:18:09,414 --> 01:18:12,292
were potentially risky things
to look back on.
1433
01:18:17,006 --> 01:18:19,633
{\an8}Frank Capra
was never blacklisted.
1434
01:18:19,717 --> 01:18:22,094
{\an8}What happened
to Frank Capra was,
1435
01:18:22,177 --> 01:18:25,014
{\an8}during the Korean War,
he wanted to serve,
1436
01:18:25,097 --> 01:18:28,684
but he was too old
to serve in any capacity.
1437
01:18:28,767 --> 01:18:30,728
But there was
a committee made,
1438
01:18:30,811 --> 01:18:33,105
Vista, I believe it was called.
1439
01:18:33,188 --> 01:18:35,399
It was
a military service committee,
1440
01:18:35,482 --> 01:18:40,195
and he was denied clearance
by that committee.
1441
01:18:41,572 --> 01:18:43,240
It was
the biggest shock of his life
1442
01:18:43,324 --> 01:18:46,118
that he was basically accused of
being disloyal to his country.
1443
01:18:46,201 --> 01:18:47,870
Some of the charges
were ridiculous.
1444
01:18:47,953 --> 01:18:50,998
But the one charge that really
was a problem for him was,
1445
01:18:51,081 --> 01:18:53,834
they said, "You worked with
a lot of left-wing writers",
1446
01:18:53,917 --> 01:18:55,377
and that was true.
1447
01:18:55,461 --> 01:19:01,134
He did, of course, immediately
mount his response to them,
1448
01:19:01,217 --> 01:19:03,345
and sent it to them.
1449
01:19:04,637 --> 01:19:06,681
He goes through each
of the men accused
1450
01:19:06,765 --> 01:19:09,476
of being a leftist,
of being a communist,
1451
01:19:09,559 --> 01:19:11,227
and he says,
"I didn't know this",
1452
01:19:11,311 --> 01:19:13,897
or, "If I had known, I wouldn't
have worked with them".
1453
01:19:14,773 --> 01:19:17,192
He wants to distance himself
from them
1454
01:19:17,275 --> 01:19:18,943
as a means
of protecting himself.
1455
01:19:19,819 --> 01:19:21,988
Different people reacted
in different ways,
1456
01:19:22,072 --> 01:19:23,948
and he named names of people
1457
01:19:24,032 --> 01:19:26,076
and recklessly
threw them around,
1458
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:28,536
and this all added to the stigma
1459
01:19:28,620 --> 01:19:30,830
that was attached
to those people.
1460
01:19:33,124 --> 01:19:34,918
I think this is
a very difficult issue,
1461
01:19:35,001 --> 01:19:37,045
and this is a time
when it's hard to know
1462
01:19:37,128 --> 01:19:38,963
who the good guys are at all
1463
01:19:39,047 --> 01:19:41,675
because there are
these inflections.
1464
01:19:41,758 --> 01:19:43,218
We can name the bad guys.
1465
01:19:43,301 --> 01:19:45,554
We know the bad guys,
the guys who name names,
1466
01:19:45,638 --> 01:19:49,183
the Elia Kazans and others
who were happy to name names.
1467
01:19:49,266 --> 01:19:51,644
Clifford Odets
and others like him.
1468
01:19:51,727 --> 01:19:54,438
What Capra did is probably
certainly on that spectrum.
1469
01:19:58,192 --> 01:20:02,530
He was very hurt by this,
and very upset.
1470
01:20:02,613 --> 01:20:04,991
He didn't
talk about it, generally.
1471
01:20:05,074 --> 01:20:07,159
The country he had
devoted so much to,
1472
01:20:07,243 --> 01:20:09,829
he'd served loyally
in World War II
1473
01:20:09,912 --> 01:20:11,747
and sacrificed a lot for,
1474
01:20:11,831 --> 01:20:13,874
and here he was,
accused of being disloyal.
1475
01:20:13,958 --> 01:20:15,751
It was
the worst shock of his life,
1476
01:20:15,835 --> 01:20:18,004
and it's like being
kicked in the teeth
1477
01:20:18,087 --> 01:20:19,171
by somebody you love.
1478
01:20:20,506 --> 01:20:21,549
So, he wound up being
1479
01:20:21,632 --> 01:20:23,509
very disappointed
by the United States,
1480
01:20:23,592 --> 01:20:25,261
I guess, to put it mildly.
1481
01:20:27,388 --> 01:20:31,058
His career dwindled and died.
1482
01:20:31,142 --> 01:20:34,563
He becomes something of
a gentleman farmer at this time,
1483
01:20:34,646 --> 01:20:37,274
raising his avocados
in California.
1484
01:20:37,357 --> 01:20:39,776
He becomes
a collector of rare books.
1485
01:20:39,860 --> 01:20:43,196
He owns the rights
to films that he then sells.
1486
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:44,865
He owned Roman Holiday,
1487
01:20:44,948 --> 01:20:47,951
which becomes
a huge hit for William Wyler.
1488
01:20:48,035 --> 01:20:49,828
He does that kind of thing.
1489
01:20:54,082 --> 01:20:56,043
You know,
if we want to understand
1490
01:20:56,126 --> 01:20:58,420
why Capra hoarded
1491
01:20:58,503 --> 01:21:02,549
so much praise
and attention late in his life,
1492
01:21:02,632 --> 01:21:08,055
it's because there really
was a long limbo period
1493
01:21:08,138 --> 01:21:10,849
of maybe even two decades
1494
01:21:10,932 --> 01:21:14,019
where this person barely existed
1495
01:21:14,102 --> 01:21:16,772
at the level that he had before.
1496
01:21:16,855 --> 01:21:19,859
He certainly did not exist
at the level that he had before.
1497
01:21:20,568 --> 01:21:23,196
He was almost himself forgotten,
1498
01:21:23,696 --> 01:21:26,282
and he's part
to blame for that, too,
1499
01:21:26,366 --> 01:21:30,495
because he didn't find out
why he was relevant any more.
1500
01:21:30,578 --> 01:21:32,288
He didn't discover that.
1501
01:21:35,500 --> 01:21:38,336
One of your last movies,
Pocketful of Miracles,
1502
01:21:38,419 --> 01:21:41,130
had tremendous trade reviews,
1503
01:21:41,214 --> 01:21:43,007
and yet, was
a box office failure.
1504
01:21:43,091 --> 01:21:44,842
How hard did this hit you?
1505
01:21:47,053 --> 01:21:48,638
{\an8}Surprisingly badly.
1506
01:21:48,721 --> 01:21:50,640
{\an8}It was almost like
another Lost Horizon,
1507
01:21:50,723 --> 01:21:52,684
{\an8}only I found no way to cure it.
1508
01:21:54,435 --> 01:21:55,728
I can't...
1509
01:21:55,812 --> 01:21:58,272
That one eludes me completely.
1510
01:21:58,356 --> 01:22:01,484
His career has
an extraordinary decline.
1511
01:22:02,193 --> 01:22:06,615
Later in his life, certainly,
he has reason to be bitter.
1512
01:22:06,699 --> 01:22:08,575
And his career didn't go the way
1513
01:22:08,659 --> 01:22:11,161
he had hoped it would
after the war.
1514
01:22:11,245 --> 01:22:14,498
But I think what really
struck me and took me aback was,
1515
01:22:14,581 --> 01:22:16,583
at the beginning
of McBride's book,
1516
01:22:16,667 --> 01:22:19,545
he quotes Capra
as railing against the Jews
1517
01:22:19,628 --> 01:22:21,588
who had ruined his career.
1518
01:22:21,672 --> 01:22:24,008
You'd ask him about
any ethnic group,
1519
01:22:24,091 --> 01:22:26,260
he would malign
in stereotypical terms,
1520
01:22:26,343 --> 01:22:28,721
even his own people,
the Italian-Americans.
1521
01:22:28,804 --> 01:22:32,891
And he unfortunately
made antisemitic remarks
1522
01:22:32,975 --> 01:22:37,646
and anti-Black remarks, and
anti-Mexican-American remarks,
1523
01:22:37,730 --> 01:22:40,316
anti-Native-American remarks,
you name it.
1524
01:22:40,399 --> 01:22:42,526
And to see Capra, an immigrant,
1525
01:22:42,609 --> 01:22:45,529
talk about that is just
really kind of heartbreaking.
1526
01:22:45,612 --> 01:22:49,241
I'm Jewish.
I've heard this before.
1527
01:22:49,325 --> 01:22:50,659
You hear it all the time,
1528
01:22:50,743 --> 01:22:53,997
and it's very hard to see
Capra doing the same thing.
1529
01:22:58,752 --> 01:23:00,295
In the late '60s,
1530
01:23:00,378 --> 01:23:02,380
not only is Capra
looked on as quaint,
1531
01:23:02,464 --> 01:23:04,758
but he's also looked on
as a status quo.
1532
01:23:04,841 --> 01:23:07,844
He represents
the sort of Hollywood...
1533
01:23:08,303 --> 01:23:12,432
...classical, glamorous
studio filmmaking,
1534
01:23:12,515 --> 01:23:15,977
that this new generation
of filmmakers,
1535
01:23:16,061 --> 01:23:18,938
Dennis Hopper, Friedkin, Altman,
1536
01:23:19,022 --> 01:23:21,733
the '70s era of filmmakers,
1537
01:23:21,816 --> 01:23:25,362
regarded with
a little bit of cynicism.
1538
01:23:25,445 --> 01:23:27,906
It's funny.
It becomes a Capra movie again.
1539
01:23:27,989 --> 01:23:32,911
He's at this low point,
"I'm forgotten".
1540
01:23:32,994 --> 01:23:35,121
"No one remembers my movies."
1541
01:23:35,205 --> 01:23:37,123
"They're looked on as corny."
1542
01:23:37,207 --> 01:23:40,002
So, what does Capra do?
1543
01:23:40,086 --> 01:23:41,587
He writes a book.
1544
01:23:41,671 --> 01:23:46,133
And the autobiography
is a phenomenal success.
1545
01:23:46,217 --> 01:23:47,677
And he was back.
1546
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:54,225
Frank Capra hasn't made
a feature film since 1961.
1547
01:23:54,308 --> 01:23:56,894
But when he appears before
a group of students,
1548
01:23:56,977 --> 01:23:58,145
many of whom weren't born
1549
01:23:58,229 --> 01:23:59,814
when his greatest films
were being made,
1550
01:23:59,897 --> 01:24:02,233
he is greeted with applause.
1551
01:24:02,316 --> 01:24:05,194
He went on 125 college campuses,
1552
01:24:05,277 --> 01:24:07,196
and he went around the world
1553
01:24:07,279 --> 01:24:08,698
for the US government again.
1554
01:24:08,781 --> 01:24:10,074
Ironically, they asked him
1555
01:24:10,157 --> 01:24:12,618
to promote Americanism
around the world,
1556
01:24:12,702 --> 01:24:15,621
and for the State Department.
He was very happy to do that.
1557
01:24:15,705 --> 01:24:19,500
As I found out, the book
is like a novel about Hollywood.
1558
01:24:19,583 --> 01:24:22,086
It's a rather beguiling novel,
somewhat disturbing,
1559
01:24:22,169 --> 01:24:24,588
but often very charming.
1560
01:24:24,672 --> 01:24:27,634
But it's almost
completely fictitious.
1561
01:24:28,343 --> 01:24:31,430
The memoir Capra writes
is wonderful.
1562
01:24:31,513 --> 01:24:33,015
But when you read the book now,
1563
01:24:33,098 --> 01:24:35,934
it's upsetting in some ways
because the way he takes credit
1564
01:24:36,018 --> 01:24:38,603
for everything he ever did,
every script he ever wrote,
1565
01:24:38,687 --> 01:24:40,814
every film he ever made,
it all comes from him.
1566
01:24:40,897 --> 01:24:42,441
It all springs from his brow.
1567
01:24:42,524 --> 01:24:44,818
Now, I think we'd take this
with a grain of salt.
1568
01:24:44,901 --> 01:24:46,570
We know it's not
how films are made.
1569
01:24:46,653 --> 01:24:49,489
He was a storyteller
and a mythmaker.
1570
01:24:49,573 --> 01:24:53,160
And if you're a mythmaker,
1571
01:24:53,243 --> 01:24:56,913
what better subject to make
a myth about than yourself?
1572
01:24:56,997 --> 01:24:58,915
It's kind of
an American story, that is,
1573
01:24:58,999 --> 01:25:00,834
the immigrant
who starts with nothing,
1574
01:25:00,917 --> 01:25:03,211
comes from nowhere,
and makes it big.
1575
01:25:03,295 --> 01:25:06,423
But for him, it really does
resurrect his career.
1576
01:25:06,506 --> 01:25:08,008
It gives him a second act.
1577
01:25:08,091 --> 01:25:11,178
He had been, not forgotten,
but dismissed,
1578
01:25:11,261 --> 01:25:13,264
and the book,
which is a bestseller,
1579
01:25:13,348 --> 01:25:16,934
really does make him
a figure in public life.
1580
01:25:22,440 --> 01:25:24,650
America's a melting pot.
1581
01:25:24,734 --> 01:25:26,903
Well, he's part of the melt,
1582
01:25:26,986 --> 01:25:32,325
and he comes in and he learns
what it is to be an American,
1583
01:25:32,408 --> 01:25:34,160
or at least what we think it is.
1584
01:25:34,243 --> 01:25:37,747
And then, he contributes
to that definition.
1585
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:41,584
He narratises it,
makes it a great story
1586
01:25:41,668 --> 01:25:43,670
for us to go and enjoy,
1587
01:25:43,753 --> 01:25:45,838
convinces us it's true.
1588
01:25:45,922 --> 01:25:48,758
Also, that's propaganda,
I guess.
1589
01:25:48,841 --> 01:25:51,928
But he has a huge legacy
1590
01:25:52,011 --> 01:25:54,555
about what it is
to be an American,
1591
01:25:54,639 --> 01:25:57,350
which is to come
from another place
1592
01:25:57,433 --> 01:26:00,145
and contribute
to the definition of it.
1593
01:26:00,229 --> 01:26:02,690
Based on what you
thought it was going to be,
1594
01:26:02,773 --> 01:26:05,401
or everybody
believed it was going to be,
1595
01:26:05,484 --> 01:26:08,195
mixed in with what it really is,
1596
01:26:08,278 --> 01:26:11,073
all put in there
with a little bit of ugly,
1597
01:26:11,156 --> 01:26:13,993
a little bit of sad,
a little bit of tragic,
1598
01:26:14,076 --> 01:26:16,453
a little bit of corrupt,
a little bit of whatever,
1599
01:26:16,537 --> 01:26:19,289
but ultimately
coming out and saying,
1600
01:26:19,373 --> 01:26:22,876
"It's a victory,
we're going to keep going".
1601
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,296
The American value is,
"You can do it".
1602
01:26:26,380 --> 01:26:27,965
That's the American value.
1603
01:26:28,048 --> 01:26:31,260
If you want something,
you can go for it,
1604
01:26:31,343 --> 01:26:33,178
and it's not going to be easy.
1605
01:26:33,262 --> 01:26:35,514
That is what America should be.
1606
01:26:37,766 --> 01:26:40,686
I guess he is an embodiment
of the American Dream,
1607
01:26:40,769 --> 01:26:43,272
if we believe that exists
in the first place.
1608
01:26:43,355 --> 01:26:45,733
Certainly, he would have it
that was the case,
1609
01:26:45,816 --> 01:26:48,570
that anyone could come here
and make it big.
1610
01:26:48,653 --> 01:26:51,323
I think that's the mark of
his conservatism in some ways.
1611
01:26:51,406 --> 01:26:53,908
He does believe
you should do it on your own.
1612
01:26:53,992 --> 01:26:56,578
So, in that sense,
the American Dream
1613
01:26:56,661 --> 01:26:58,747
is perverse, reactionary,
1614
01:26:58,830 --> 01:27:02,500
and impossible for most people
to ever attain,
1615
01:27:02,584 --> 01:27:04,836
and probably was
not even true in Capra's case.
1616
01:27:04,919 --> 01:27:06,713
Even though
his drive was unusual,
1617
01:27:06,796 --> 01:27:09,466
he had to have
an awful lot of help,
1618
01:27:09,549 --> 01:27:13,470
a lot of luck, and worked
with all the right people.
1619
01:27:13,553 --> 01:27:15,847
So, it embodies
the American Dream.
1620
01:27:15,930 --> 01:27:18,933
The person who made
Frank Capra who he was...
1621
01:27:19,017 --> 01:27:21,311
We wouldn't be sitting here
talking about Frank Capra
1622
01:27:21,394 --> 01:27:23,688
if it weren't for
a woman named Jean McDaniel,
1623
01:27:23,772 --> 01:27:26,191
who was
an Irish-American schoolteacher.
1624
01:27:26,274 --> 01:27:28,526
She was Frank Capra's champion.
1625
01:27:28,610 --> 01:27:31,905
The parents wanted to take Frank
out of school in fifth grade
1626
01:27:31,988 --> 01:27:33,866
and make him
go to work in a brickyard
1627
01:27:33,949 --> 01:27:35,201
like his brother, Tony.
1628
01:27:35,284 --> 01:27:37,828
And she said she raised
the money from the PTA
1629
01:27:37,912 --> 01:27:40,748
to pay his parents what Frank
would've earned in the brickyard
1630
01:27:40,831 --> 01:27:42,124
if he would stay in school.
1631
01:27:42,208 --> 01:27:44,752
So, if it hadn't been
for Jean McDaniel,
1632
01:27:44,835 --> 01:27:47,338
we never would have
heard of Frank Capra.
1633
01:27:49,507 --> 01:27:53,928
There's so much complexity
here in a man's life.
1634
01:27:54,011 --> 01:27:57,723
There's so much complexity
in the films he makes.
1635
01:27:57,807 --> 01:27:59,975
So, it is very hard
1636
01:28:00,059 --> 01:28:04,188
to make a simple idea
about Frank.
1637
01:28:05,231 --> 01:28:10,319
Some people only want
to think of them as politics.
1638
01:28:10,403 --> 01:28:12,989
Some only want to think of them
1639
01:28:13,072 --> 01:28:17,368
as optimistic, sentimental pap.
1640
01:28:17,451 --> 01:28:20,956
Or they want to think of it
as an American immigrant story,
1641
01:28:21,039 --> 01:28:24,042
or definition
of American history.
1642
01:28:24,126 --> 01:28:26,753
And all of these
things are in there.
1643
01:28:28,255 --> 01:28:30,507
I think Frank Capra was always
1644
01:28:30,590 --> 01:28:35,470
much more than his reputation,
say, in the 1930s.
1645
01:28:35,554 --> 01:28:40,767
He's more than the maker
of It's a Wonderful Life.
1646
01:28:40,851 --> 01:28:46,273
And he's also more
than some of the beatings
1647
01:28:46,356 --> 01:28:48,734
that his reputation has taken.
1648
01:28:48,817 --> 01:28:53,238
What's going to remain essential
forever is the movies.
1649
01:28:53,321 --> 01:28:54,948
{\an8}It does not surprise me
1650
01:28:55,032 --> 01:28:58,118
{\an8}that there is a resurgence
of interest in Capra right now
1651
01:28:58,201 --> 01:29:00,579
because this country
is going through
1652
01:29:00,662 --> 01:29:02,831
terrible, terrible turmoil.
1653
01:29:02,914 --> 01:29:05,542
And like any great myth,
1654
01:29:05,625 --> 01:29:09,797
Capra's movies,
on the spiritual-communal level,
1655
01:29:09,881 --> 01:29:14,719
give us a framework
to maintain that kind of faith
1656
01:29:14,802 --> 01:29:17,638
{\an8}in a way that isn't ludicrous,
1657
01:29:17,722 --> 01:29:20,558
{\an8}and, in fact, is life-saving.
1658
01:29:20,641 --> 01:29:24,270
They're reminders
that humanity can be good.
1659
01:29:24,354 --> 01:29:26,022
We all have to hope.
1660
01:29:29,150 --> 01:29:33,112
These movies are so delightful,
you just have to watch them.
1661
01:29:33,196 --> 01:29:35,615
Why do we watch movies?
Because they're delightful.
1662
01:29:35,698 --> 01:29:37,200
And his movies are delightful.
1663
01:29:37,283 --> 01:29:39,369
Forget the messages
and all that kind of stuff.
1664
01:29:39,452 --> 01:29:40,453
They're so fun to watch,
1665
01:29:40,536 --> 01:29:42,288
you just have to
watch these movies.
1666
01:29:42,372 --> 01:29:45,583
I don't want to live in a world
where there's no hope,
1667
01:29:45,667 --> 01:29:49,170
where there's no sense
that there could be a victory,
1668
01:29:49,253 --> 01:29:52,173
and if that's a silly idea
and I'm crazy,
1669
01:29:52,256 --> 01:29:54,426
that's okay with me. I'm not...
1670
01:29:54,510 --> 01:29:57,012
The main thing is laughing.
1671
01:29:57,096 --> 01:29:59,598
If you want
to ask me that question
1672
01:29:59,682 --> 01:30:02,059
all over again
about Frank's legacy,
1673
01:30:02,142 --> 01:30:04,728
I'll just say,
"Give me a laugh".
1674
01:30:04,812 --> 01:30:06,397
And he gave me a laugh.
1675
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:09,775
If we don't do
anything else but laugh, good.
1676
01:30:10,859 --> 01:30:12,528
That's all I'm here for, really,
1677
01:30:12,611 --> 01:30:16,156
to try and just tell you that
1678
01:30:17,825 --> 01:30:21,826
there's good in the world, and that it's wonderful.
1679
01:31:21,723 --> 01:31:24,409
Hey, I know
the second verse there.
1680
01:31:24,528 --> 01:31:25,910
Yeah.
1681
01:32:15,224 --> 01:32:18,071
Do you mind
if I take the third one?
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