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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:46,463 --> 00:00:51,175 Films are always a window into an era or a time or a place 2 00:00:51,260 --> 00:00:52,720 or a man's mind. 3 00:00:56,849 --> 00:01:01,938 And no one was ever really a more dominant filmmaker 4 00:01:02,022 --> 00:01:03,773 {\an8}of his era. 5 00:01:09,946 --> 00:01:11,323 He made some of the greatest movies 6 00:01:11,406 --> 00:01:12,699 in the history of cinema. 7 00:01:12,782 --> 00:01:14,993 And they're foundational... 8 00:01:15,076 --> 00:01:18,079 ...in the craft of cinema, the way they're made, 9 00:01:18,163 --> 00:01:19,247 how they're made. 10 00:01:20,081 --> 00:01:22,334 And they're fucking great entertainment. 11 00:01:22,751 --> 00:01:24,294 Want some fireworks? 12 00:01:25,003 --> 00:01:30,300 {\an8}In behalf of the Academy, I present you with this award. 13 00:01:40,185 --> 00:01:45,149 Capra's personal story is a story about one man 14 00:01:45,858 --> 00:01:48,778 who overcame a lot of opposition 15 00:01:48,861 --> 00:01:51,656 to go from being an Italian peasant 16 00:01:51,739 --> 00:01:54,408 to a major American movie director. 17 00:01:55,493 --> 00:01:57,870 These films I were making were my way of saying, 18 00:01:57,954 --> 00:02:00,039 "Thanks, America", if you can understand 19 00:02:00,122 --> 00:02:01,457 that kind of a clichรƒยฉ. 20 00:02:01,958 --> 00:02:04,418 Gee whiz, so many things happening all at once. 21 00:02:07,922 --> 00:02:09,798 {\an8}The kid from Sicily 22 00:02:09,881 --> 00:02:14,929 {\an8}had developed a way of showing America 23 00:02:15,012 --> 00:02:18,057 that all Americans loved. 24 00:02:22,895 --> 00:02:26,315 {\an8}His career has an extraordinary decline. 25 00:02:26,399 --> 00:02:29,569 It's not that you don't have darkness. 26 00:02:30,236 --> 00:02:35,325 Real darkness comes forward in these movies, 27 00:02:36,076 --> 00:02:38,370 but when we look into Frank's films 28 00:02:38,453 --> 00:02:43,792 he says we can endure, we can survive, we can suffer 29 00:02:43,875 --> 00:02:46,336 and triumph and live through it. 30 00:02:46,420 --> 00:02:48,213 It's not a perfect world, 31 00:02:48,297 --> 00:02:50,799 but there's a place for you in it. 32 00:02:51,633 --> 00:02:54,219 That really makes him America's filmmaker. 33 00:02:54,928 --> 00:02:58,432 And that's why people watch It's a Wonderful Life 34 00:02:58,515 --> 00:02:59,975 every year at Christmas. 35 00:03:00,058 --> 00:03:02,477 It's not because they're sentimental. 36 00:03:02,561 --> 00:03:05,939 It's because it is a life-saving movie. 37 00:03:10,235 --> 00:03:13,614 If you find something real and true in the moment 38 00:03:13,697 --> 00:03:15,157 in which you're living, 39 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,744 and you do it well and entertainingly, 40 00:03:17,827 --> 00:03:21,331 it will always remain contemporary and universal. 41 00:03:21,915 --> 00:03:25,126 I guess this is just another lost cause, Mr Paine. 42 00:03:25,668 --> 00:03:28,546 These stories are always applicable to our lives. 43 00:03:28,630 --> 00:03:32,175 But they're even more so when we forget how to hope. 44 00:03:32,926 --> 00:03:36,721 The world is going through terrible, terrible turmoil. 45 00:03:36,804 --> 00:03:39,682 We need to be reminded that it can still work. 46 00:03:58,576 --> 00:04:01,287 When you tell us about being the son of immigrant parents 47 00:04:01,371 --> 00:04:04,917 and we know about your birth in Palermo, Italy, 48 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,212 your Sicilian background, your arrival in America. 49 00:04:08,295 --> 00:04:12,174 What propelled you, what drive was in you? 50 00:04:12,258 --> 00:04:15,553 It's difficult to look back and wonder 51 00:04:15,636 --> 00:04:18,389 and you can only just conjecture, 52 00:04:18,471 --> 00:04:20,599 but I did want an education. 53 00:04:21,225 --> 00:04:23,811 I was ashamed of my parents 54 00:04:23,894 --> 00:04:25,646 because they couldn't read or write. 55 00:04:25,729 --> 00:04:27,356 I wanted to get out of that ghetto. 56 00:04:43,956 --> 00:04:46,292 Speaking of the time when you were 10 years old, 57 00:04:46,375 --> 00:04:48,168 you said, "I hated being poor, 58 00:04:48,752 --> 00:04:51,881 "hated the ghetto and hated America". 59 00:04:51,965 --> 00:04:54,342 -You were a Sicilian immigrant. -Yes. 60 00:04:54,426 --> 00:04:56,595 I came here when I was six years old 61 00:04:56,678 --> 00:04:59,806 just old enough to see and not understand. 62 00:05:03,393 --> 00:05:06,646 {\an8}He told me the boat journey was so traumatic and powerful... 63 00:05:06,730 --> 00:05:09,691 {\an8}...it wiped all the memories of Sicily out of his mind. 64 00:05:09,774 --> 00:05:11,651 He didn't understand, he told me as a kid, 65 00:05:11,735 --> 00:05:13,778 why his parents would tear him away 66 00:05:13,862 --> 00:05:16,615 from their comfortable surroundings in Sicily. 67 00:05:18,074 --> 00:05:22,329 Coming over in steerage, there's no air, 68 00:05:22,412 --> 00:05:26,041 there's crowded bodies, there's people being seasick, 69 00:05:26,124 --> 00:05:30,128 there's a minimum of food. It's a long trip. 70 00:05:30,503 --> 00:05:34,549 I would think, an overwhelming and frightening experience 71 00:05:34,633 --> 00:05:36,134 for a child. 72 00:05:43,768 --> 00:05:47,313 When he sat down to write the story of his life... 73 00:05:47,396 --> 00:05:50,942 {\an8}...all the things he had done, the years he had lived, 74 00:05:51,025 --> 00:05:54,320 {\an8}the first words he put to paper were, 75 00:05:54,403 --> 00:05:56,364 {\an8}"I hated being poor". 76 00:06:03,955 --> 00:06:05,998 I saw the rich people in America 77 00:06:06,082 --> 00:06:08,334 and I saw the poor people that we were. 78 00:06:08,417 --> 00:06:10,962 I saw my father and mother suffering 79 00:06:11,045 --> 00:06:13,089 and working and I saw everybody else. 80 00:06:13,172 --> 00:06:16,592 And I thought they were much happier where they came from. 81 00:06:18,010 --> 00:06:21,764 This was my feeling at the time. I hated this country. 82 00:06:21,847 --> 00:06:24,225 I hated how my family was being treated. 83 00:06:25,435 --> 00:06:27,271 It was a hard time. 84 00:06:27,354 --> 00:06:32,025 I don't think his memories of that time ever left him. 85 00:06:32,484 --> 00:06:35,320 He found America to be a dog-eat-dog, tough place. 86 00:06:35,404 --> 00:06:37,906 He lived in a lower-middle-class neighbourhood, 87 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:39,992 but education was his way out. 88 00:06:40,075 --> 00:06:42,536 Most kids didn't go to high school in those days. 89 00:06:42,619 --> 00:06:44,496 The kids from his social class. 90 00:06:44,580 --> 00:06:47,040 So he went to Manual Arts High School, 91 00:06:47,124 --> 00:06:49,251 he cleaned the blackboards, you know, 92 00:06:49,334 --> 00:06:51,044 and he was a janitor at the school, 93 00:06:51,128 --> 00:06:52,963 and kids looked down on him for that. 94 00:06:53,046 --> 00:06:54,923 And I interviewed Esther Gleason Schlinger, 95 00:06:55,007 --> 00:06:56,925 who was the class historian, 96 00:06:57,301 --> 00:07:00,470 and she said she dated Frank Capra in high school, 97 00:07:00,554 --> 00:07:03,640 but her parents broke it up because he was an immigrant. 98 00:07:03,724 --> 00:07:07,352 And she said she liked him, but she said he was a nice boy. 99 00:07:07,436 --> 00:07:09,354 He was just a terrible wop. 100 00:07:09,855 --> 00:07:12,358 I really felt anger on his behalf. 101 00:07:12,817 --> 00:07:14,777 "Terrible whop", that's how they saw him. 102 00:07:14,861 --> 00:07:17,739 That was his first shock of trying to assimilate 103 00:07:17,822 --> 00:07:20,199 into the mainstream in American life. 104 00:07:22,493 --> 00:07:26,122 Frank Capra did not merely perceive himself as an outsider. 105 00:07:26,205 --> 00:07:27,707 In many ways, he was. 106 00:07:27,790 --> 00:07:29,709 Even at the height of his fame... 107 00:07:29,792 --> 00:07:33,463 {\an8}...after all of the accolades and awards 108 00:07:33,546 --> 00:07:35,882 {\an8}that he had earned, Collier's magazine 109 00:07:35,965 --> 00:07:40,220 {\an8}could run a profile of him and casually describe him 110 00:07:40,303 --> 00:07:41,763 with ethnic slurs. 111 00:07:42,597 --> 00:07:45,683 I said, "When did you stop being ashamed of your parents?" 112 00:07:45,767 --> 00:07:47,727 He said, "I haven't yet". 113 00:07:48,228 --> 00:07:51,147 Capra was from an era where you were supposed to 114 00:07:51,231 --> 00:07:53,691 melt down your differences and become an American, 115 00:07:53,775 --> 00:07:56,069 which meant obliterating your past. 116 00:07:56,152 --> 00:07:58,697 And one of the manifestations of that 117 00:07:58,781 --> 00:08:01,450 was he kind of looked down on his own family. 118 00:08:03,077 --> 00:08:06,330 The young Capra made it happen. 119 00:08:06,664 --> 00:08:09,500 He certainly hated being on the outside, 120 00:08:09,583 --> 00:08:11,919 being on the bottom, which he was, 121 00:08:12,002 --> 00:08:15,172 {\an8}and that rage, for better and for worse... 122 00:08:15,256 --> 00:08:18,801 {\an8}...is what's going to propel him the rest of his life. 123 00:08:36,485 --> 00:08:38,987 After Frank left college, 124 00:08:39,071 --> 00:08:41,323 like a lot of people who go to college, 125 00:08:41,407 --> 00:08:44,702 he didn't know exactly what he was going to do next 126 00:08:44,785 --> 00:08:48,748 and he spent a lot of time doing odd jobs, travelling around, 127 00:08:48,832 --> 00:08:51,626 trying different things, doing different things. 128 00:08:51,710 --> 00:08:54,588 And this gave him experience of America. 129 00:08:55,630 --> 00:08:58,508 This is where my love for Americans started. 130 00:08:58,592 --> 00:09:01,261 When I was about 22, 23, 24, 131 00:09:01,344 --> 00:09:04,723 when I didn't have a job, I couldn't find job of any kind 132 00:09:05,140 --> 00:09:09,477 and I did a lot of running around in Utah and Oregon, 133 00:09:09,561 --> 00:09:10,687 and California. 134 00:09:10,770 --> 00:09:15,609 And met the farmers, the barbers, the poker players, 135 00:09:16,651 --> 00:09:19,029 and just fell in love with Americans 136 00:09:19,112 --> 00:09:21,448 because of their wonderful independence. 137 00:09:24,034 --> 00:09:27,495 He bungles his way toward the film industry 138 00:09:27,579 --> 00:09:29,664 and, you know, everybody bungled their way. 139 00:09:29,748 --> 00:09:32,585 You can't plan to be in an industry 140 00:09:32,668 --> 00:09:33,961 that doesn't exist. 141 00:09:38,758 --> 00:09:42,678 There's almost a gold rush atmosphere to early Hollywood. 142 00:09:43,971 --> 00:09:48,392 It was still quite possible to start at the bottom 143 00:09:48,476 --> 00:09:50,353 and work your way up. 144 00:09:51,562 --> 00:09:55,608 And I can see why Frank Capra would come to a place like that 145 00:09:55,691 --> 00:09:57,485 and say, "This is for me", 146 00:09:57,568 --> 00:09:59,570 because that's what he was looking for. 147 00:09:59,654 --> 00:10:04,033 A place where he could break in and remake himself. 148 00:10:07,411 --> 00:10:10,998 I didn't know a piece of film from a piece of toilet paper. 149 00:10:11,082 --> 00:10:12,124 Really. 150 00:10:12,208 --> 00:10:15,336 I was fascinated by this thing called film. 151 00:10:16,087 --> 00:10:18,297 And so I tried all these things. 152 00:10:18,381 --> 00:10:22,386 And I... All by myself, I'd stay in that cutting room. 153 00:10:22,761 --> 00:10:26,890 There were newsreel men that would come in with their stuff, 154 00:10:26,974 --> 00:10:28,725 and I'd develop it for 'em. 155 00:10:28,809 --> 00:10:31,436 People from the university would come over 156 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,772 and there were films about their dogs, 157 00:10:33,855 --> 00:10:35,691 their children, everything else 158 00:10:35,774 --> 00:10:37,734 that they wanted to put together. 159 00:10:37,818 --> 00:10:39,987 This is where I learnt about film. 160 00:10:55,460 --> 00:10:57,629 A lot of directors have a creation myth, 161 00:10:57,713 --> 00:11:00,799 which is a fabricated story about their beginnings. 162 00:11:00,882 --> 00:11:03,927 I spent years researching his apprenticeship 163 00:11:04,011 --> 00:11:05,387 in the motion pictures. 164 00:11:05,470 --> 00:11:07,849 He claims in his book that he walked off the street 165 00:11:07,932 --> 00:11:10,018 in San Francisco into a building 166 00:11:10,101 --> 00:11:12,353 because there was an ad for a film director 167 00:11:12,437 --> 00:11:15,565 for a short film and he got a job as a director by bluffing. 168 00:11:15,648 --> 00:11:17,483 He knew nothing about film directing. 169 00:11:17,567 --> 00:11:18,651 Just bullshit. 170 00:11:18,735 --> 00:11:21,237 He had worked a whole series of humble jobs 171 00:11:21,321 --> 00:11:23,364 leading up to becoming a director. 172 00:11:23,781 --> 00:11:25,658 Capra worked as a janitor 173 00:11:25,742 --> 00:11:28,202 at the Christie Brothers Film Company. 174 00:11:28,286 --> 00:11:29,495 I said, "What were you doing?" 175 00:11:29,579 --> 00:11:30,955 He said, "Cleaning up the horse shit". 176 00:11:31,414 --> 00:11:33,166 That's the way he started, 177 00:11:33,249 --> 00:11:35,668 cleaning up the horse shit, the humble thing you could do. 178 00:11:35,752 --> 00:11:37,754 And then he was an assistant director 179 00:11:37,837 --> 00:11:39,339 for companies in Hollywood. 180 00:11:39,422 --> 00:11:41,507 He was an assistant cameraman. 181 00:11:41,591 --> 00:11:44,135 He directed some of the Screen Snapshot series, 182 00:11:44,218 --> 00:11:46,971 which were documentary films about Hollywood. 183 00:11:47,055 --> 00:11:49,223 And to me, it's much more inspirational 184 00:11:49,307 --> 00:11:51,184 that you start at the bottom. 185 00:11:51,267 --> 00:11:54,521 In these early days, he learnt very quickly. 186 00:11:54,647 --> 00:11:57,775 He learnt by watching what others were doing, 187 00:11:57,858 --> 00:12:02,905 and it turned out he had a real gift for visual gags. 188 00:12:02,988 --> 00:12:07,493 Not word gags, but visual gags. 189 00:12:07,826 --> 00:12:11,205 So he could think in images. 190 00:12:11,288 --> 00:12:13,123 And that was the beginning, really. 191 00:12:14,250 --> 00:12:15,876 {\an8}I never had such fun in my life. 192 00:12:16,252 --> 00:12:21,173 {\an8}The fun of creating something, it just grabs you. 193 00:12:21,257 --> 00:12:24,093 Your heart beats fast when you create something. 194 00:12:24,176 --> 00:12:26,428 And then later on, when one of my pictures 195 00:12:26,512 --> 00:12:29,098 would happen to be playing and I'd pass by 196 00:12:29,181 --> 00:12:33,018 and I'd hear them laugh like hell through the picture. 197 00:12:33,102 --> 00:12:36,522 Oh, boy, I'll tell you, that's the payoff of payoffs. 198 00:12:37,982 --> 00:12:39,024 You're looking down 199 00:12:39,108 --> 00:12:40,652 on the intersection of Hollywood and Vine, 200 00:12:40,735 --> 00:12:42,988 one of the most talked about four corners on Earth. 201 00:12:47,367 --> 00:12:49,911 If you were to take your stand here and wait long enough, 202 00:12:49,995 --> 00:12:52,330 you'd eventually see every outstanding star 203 00:12:52,414 --> 00:12:53,832 in show business. 204 00:12:53,915 --> 00:12:56,835 The Hollywood that we think of in our imaginations 205 00:12:56,918 --> 00:12:58,253 and basically the Hollywood 206 00:12:58,336 --> 00:13:01,131 that existed up until a few years ago 207 00:13:01,214 --> 00:13:03,883 was this world of studios, of sound stages 208 00:13:03,967 --> 00:13:07,887 and giant teams of people to run these movie cities. 209 00:13:08,471 --> 00:13:10,473 Now, not every studio 210 00:13:10,557 --> 00:13:13,977 had the financial muscle to make movies 211 00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:17,606 on the level of let's say, an MGM... 212 00:13:19,399 --> 00:13:20,775 ...or a Fox. 213 00:13:22,152 --> 00:13:24,195 Or a Paramount. 214 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:26,073 There were also a couple of minor studios, 215 00:13:26,157 --> 00:13:29,160 and informally, they were known as Poverty Row. 216 00:13:29,744 --> 00:13:32,496 They weren't poor. They were poorer by comparison. 217 00:13:32,580 --> 00:13:36,334 And at the top of this second tier is Columbia. 218 00:13:37,835 --> 00:13:39,211 Capra was on his way up 219 00:13:39,295 --> 00:13:42,048 when he arrived at Columbia in 1927. 220 00:13:42,131 --> 00:13:48,054 So he's a baby director beginning with a baby studio. 221 00:13:48,137 --> 00:13:49,931 They're equally matched. 222 00:13:51,557 --> 00:13:56,854 You put Frank Capra into an atmosphere like this 223 00:13:56,938 --> 00:14:01,651 and I think he said, "Okay, I can do something with this". 224 00:14:01,734 --> 00:14:05,238 Because Columbia also, year by year, 225 00:14:05,321 --> 00:14:09,867 would do at least a couple of features with a real budget. 226 00:14:14,206 --> 00:14:16,541 The history of Frank Capra and Columbia 227 00:14:16,625 --> 00:14:18,252 is completely intertwined. 228 00:14:18,335 --> 00:14:20,295 {\an8}It's definitional for both. 229 00:14:20,837 --> 00:14:23,048 {\an8}There would be no Columbia today. 230 00:14:23,131 --> 00:14:26,385 {\an8}I wouldn't be sitting in the job that I'm in without Frank Capra. 231 00:14:26,468 --> 00:14:28,512 And I think there would be no Frank Capra 232 00:14:28,595 --> 00:14:30,973 in the way that there was without Columbia. 233 00:14:32,349 --> 00:14:35,060 Columbia didn't have the resources 234 00:14:35,143 --> 00:14:36,853 that these other studios had. 235 00:14:36,937 --> 00:14:39,856 Because of it, there was more freedom at Columbia. 236 00:14:41,358 --> 00:14:43,402 And that may be surprising to a lot of people 237 00:14:43,485 --> 00:14:45,445 who know something about Harry Cohn. 238 00:14:48,156 --> 00:14:51,994 Harry Cohn ran the studio. He basically ran it alone, 239 00:14:52,077 --> 00:14:54,621 although he had a few stalwart executives. 240 00:14:54,705 --> 00:14:56,790 Cohn had his fingers in everything, 241 00:14:56,873 --> 00:14:58,709 and to that degree, 242 00:14:58,792 --> 00:15:03,423 didn't have full control of any one picture. 243 00:15:03,506 --> 00:15:04,757 He would delegate, 244 00:15:04,841 --> 00:15:07,093 and rather than delegating to a producer, 245 00:15:07,176 --> 00:15:08,803 he would delegate to a director. 246 00:15:08,886 --> 00:15:12,640 Frank needed Cohn and Cohn needed Frank. 247 00:15:12,724 --> 00:15:14,767 The unimposing little fella nearest to the camera 248 00:15:14,851 --> 00:15:16,561 may not look like a great director, 249 00:15:16,644 --> 00:15:17,937 but don't let that fool you. 250 00:15:18,021 --> 00:15:20,565 The name's Capra. Frank Capra. 251 00:15:20,648 --> 00:15:22,734 Frank takes his fame very seriously. 252 00:15:23,234 --> 00:15:24,527 Very seriously. 253 00:15:25,236 --> 00:15:27,113 Creativity doesn't want to be managed, 254 00:15:27,196 --> 00:15:28,656 and it doesn't want to be restricted. 255 00:15:28,740 --> 00:15:30,491 It wants to be free and unbridled. 256 00:15:30,575 --> 00:15:34,120 And that's the very delicate art of managing creativity. 257 00:15:34,203 --> 00:15:36,915 Now, it's ironic to use the word "delicate" 258 00:15:36,998 --> 00:15:39,584 in connection with a SOB like Cohn, 259 00:15:39,667 --> 00:15:42,712 who was a notorious, absolute bastard. 260 00:15:42,795 --> 00:15:44,380 But he had vision 261 00:15:44,464 --> 00:15:47,134 and he actually understood filmmaking and he knew talent, 262 00:15:47,217 --> 00:15:49,929 and his early faith and investment in Capra 263 00:15:50,012 --> 00:15:52,556 was because Capra was talented and he recognised it 264 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:53,724 and he backed him. 265 00:15:54,391 --> 00:15:58,562 The big studios could afford to have stars under contract. 266 00:15:58,646 --> 00:16:01,440 At Columbia, they don't really... 267 00:16:01,523 --> 00:16:03,901 They have a couple of stars under contract. 268 00:16:04,568 --> 00:16:08,322 And they can't compete with MGM on that level. 269 00:16:08,405 --> 00:16:13,118 So how are they going to find a star? 270 00:16:13,702 --> 00:16:17,915 Well, they find a star director in Frank Capra. 271 00:16:17,998 --> 00:16:21,252 So, with the infrastructure of Columbia, 272 00:16:21,669 --> 00:16:23,337 Capra ascended. 273 00:16:23,420 --> 00:16:26,507 {\an8}And with the talent of Capra's stardom, 274 00:16:26,590 --> 00:16:27,883 {\an8}Columbia ascended. 275 00:16:28,884 --> 00:16:32,054 These are the early days of his career. 276 00:16:32,137 --> 00:16:33,932 He's doing everything. 277 00:16:34,015 --> 00:16:37,727 And it was because of that versatility that he pulls off 278 00:16:37,811 --> 00:16:40,438 {\an8}a series of movies that we don't really associate 279 00:16:40,522 --> 00:16:41,856 {\an8}with Capra films. 280 00:16:41,940 --> 00:16:44,359 {\an8}A movie called Dirigible. 281 00:16:45,443 --> 00:16:46,945 A movie called Flight. 282 00:16:47,821 --> 00:16:49,406 A movie called Submarine. 283 00:16:53,368 --> 00:16:55,328 These were action pictures 284 00:16:55,412 --> 00:16:58,123 that probably would seem more like, you know, 285 00:16:58,206 --> 00:17:01,251 a Raoul Walsh movie than a Frank Capra movie. 286 00:17:11,845 --> 00:17:14,346 He didn't just make one kind of film. 287 00:17:14,431 --> 00:17:18,226 He has war films or military films. 288 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,236 There's the north station, over there. 289 00:17:29,196 --> 00:17:31,949 {\an8}How about The Bitter Tea of General Yen 290 00:17:32,033 --> 00:17:34,243 {\an8}or how about The Miracle Woman? 291 00:17:34,327 --> 00:17:37,330 I mean, he tries different things. Forbidden. 292 00:17:37,413 --> 00:17:41,167 One of the most beautiful sort of woman's pictures 293 00:17:41,250 --> 00:17:44,670 or as someone might say, soap operas of its time. 294 00:17:44,754 --> 00:17:48,132 But it's a beautiful film. It's tender and human, 295 00:17:48,215 --> 00:17:49,926 and really very beautiful. 296 00:17:50,551 --> 00:17:51,802 Hello, Al. 297 00:17:51,886 --> 00:17:53,179 "Sit right down, Mr Holland. 298 00:17:53,262 --> 00:17:55,723 "I can't tell you how glad I am to see you." 299 00:17:55,806 --> 00:17:57,433 {\an8}Where have you been all this time? 300 00:17:58,434 --> 00:18:00,394 {\an8}Here and there, mostly there. 301 00:18:00,478 --> 00:18:02,772 {\an8}I've looked for you in every jail in the state. 302 00:18:02,855 --> 00:18:04,815 I got time off for good behaviour. 303 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,780 Would it shock you to know my heart's been broken? 304 00:18:09,863 --> 00:18:13,158 It's been going "potato" for the last couple of years. 305 00:18:15,244 --> 00:18:17,621 -Who's your lady friend? -Yeah, honey. 306 00:18:18,372 --> 00:18:20,999 Go on. My head's bloody, but unbowed. 307 00:18:21,541 --> 00:18:23,752 -You're married? -No. 308 00:18:25,295 --> 00:18:26,338 Niece? 309 00:18:26,838 --> 00:18:27,923 No. 310 00:18:29,466 --> 00:18:31,176 You're a governess? 311 00:18:32,970 --> 00:18:35,555 Yeah. And I think I better be getting her home. 312 00:18:40,102 --> 00:18:41,353 Now that evening is here, 313 00:18:41,436 --> 00:18:43,313 suppose we go to a world premiere 314 00:18:43,397 --> 00:18:45,399 held at Grauman's Chinese Theatre? 315 00:18:46,108 --> 00:18:47,568 A first showing in Hollywood 316 00:18:47,651 --> 00:18:49,820 is an event of worldwide interest. 317 00:18:50,279 --> 00:18:53,073 When I say that Cohn and I had the same job, 318 00:18:53,156 --> 00:18:54,617 I should have been more specific. 319 00:18:54,701 --> 00:18:56,744 It wasn't just to make a slate of pictures, 320 00:18:56,828 --> 00:18:58,121 it's to make hits. 321 00:18:58,204 --> 00:19:00,623 Harry Cohn wasn't going to keep the bankers from his door 322 00:19:00,707 --> 00:19:03,167 if he didn't make hits, and believe me, 323 00:19:03,251 --> 00:19:05,795 the reason he loved Frank Capra was because he made hits. 324 00:19:05,878 --> 00:19:08,214 And Frank Capra didn't become a rich man, 325 00:19:08,298 --> 00:19:10,341 rich and successful man, 326 00:19:10,425 --> 00:19:12,594 without enormous commercial success. 327 00:19:14,762 --> 00:19:16,180 A film director is lucky 328 00:19:16,264 --> 00:19:20,101 when what occurs to him and her as being a good film 329 00:19:20,184 --> 00:19:23,771 also happens to occur to enough of the audience 330 00:19:23,855 --> 00:19:25,189 also as good. 331 00:19:25,273 --> 00:19:28,234 Capra's great talent was that what occurred to him 332 00:19:28,318 --> 00:19:30,403 {\an8}as a story he himself wanted to see... 333 00:19:30,904 --> 00:19:32,822 {\an8}...and the way in which he told it 334 00:19:32,906 --> 00:19:34,991 {\an8}happened to be extremely appealing to others. 335 00:19:35,074 --> 00:19:36,492 {\an8}He just had the talent. 336 00:19:40,330 --> 00:19:43,709 Discouragement, fear, failure. 337 00:19:43,792 --> 00:19:47,087 Only a few years ago, these dogged the nation. 338 00:19:47,171 --> 00:19:49,089 Depression, haunted America. 339 00:19:53,802 --> 00:19:56,764 It was a desperate, desperate time, 340 00:19:56,847 --> 00:20:00,100 the likes of which we hadn't seen before 341 00:20:00,184 --> 00:20:02,269 or since in this country. 342 00:20:22,206 --> 00:20:27,086 Capra's movies came along, and they connected very directly 343 00:20:27,169 --> 00:20:30,173 to what people were thinking and feeling. 344 00:20:30,257 --> 00:20:33,969 And they do not deny the Depression. 345 00:20:34,761 --> 00:20:40,767 {\an8}But they provide escape by giving you laughter, victory... 346 00:20:41,351 --> 00:20:45,814 {\an8}...charm, glamour and a great story to absorb you 347 00:20:45,897 --> 00:20:47,983 so that you forget your troubles. 348 00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:50,402 My name is Smith. 349 00:20:51,236 --> 00:20:55,156 That you seem to have been able to stand for the last month. 350 00:20:56,074 --> 00:20:59,119 I'm white, male and over 21. 351 00:20:59,661 --> 00:21:01,162 I've never been in jail. 352 00:21:01,955 --> 00:21:03,748 That is, not often. 353 00:21:05,875 --> 00:21:08,044 And I prefer Scotch to bourbon. 354 00:21:08,128 --> 00:21:10,755 I hate carrots, I hate peas, I like black coffee 355 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:12,215 and I hate garters. 356 00:21:13,550 --> 00:21:17,763 I make 75 bucks a week and I got 847 bucks in the bank. 357 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,894 And I don't know yet whether your eyes are blue or violet. 358 00:21:23,978 --> 00:21:26,564 That's because you're too far away, Stew. 359 00:21:30,901 --> 00:21:33,404 I guess the picture, correct me if I'm wrong, that really 360 00:21:34,030 --> 00:21:37,033 many critics say started the Frank Capra style 361 00:21:37,116 --> 00:21:38,826 was Platinum Blonde. Would you agree? 362 00:21:39,619 --> 00:21:43,122 I think Platinum Blonde 363 00:21:43,915 --> 00:21:46,334 and American Madness, those two, yes. 364 00:21:46,417 --> 00:21:50,254 I begin to go into the social stuff. 365 00:21:50,338 --> 00:21:52,256 I always said Union National was a phoney bank. 366 00:21:52,340 --> 00:21:53,466 Union National? 367 00:21:54,050 --> 00:21:55,551 {\an8}You have money in that bank, too? 368 00:21:55,635 --> 00:21:56,969 {\an8}Yes. Something wrong? 369 00:21:58,220 --> 00:22:00,933 {\an8}-Run! -You're telling me! 370 00:22:01,016 --> 00:22:02,184 Give all the men in your plant 371 00:22:02,267 --> 00:22:03,727 a couple hours off to get their money out. 372 00:22:03,810 --> 00:22:06,188 Tell Mrs Hardy to tell everyone in the apartment house. 373 00:22:06,271 --> 00:22:08,231 All right, I'll get it. I'll bust a few noses. 374 00:22:08,315 --> 00:22:10,692 Holy smoke. I'll get right down there if I have to fly. 375 00:22:10,776 --> 00:22:12,861 Run down there and get your money at once. 376 00:22:14,655 --> 00:22:16,156 Oh, my goodness. 377 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,617 Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. 378 00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:19,910 Oh, my goodness. 379 00:22:22,663 --> 00:22:25,999 The audiences see his films as extraordinarily contemporary. 380 00:22:26,416 --> 00:22:30,462 {\an8}They see his films as depicting a Depression-era America... 381 00:22:30,796 --> 00:22:34,716 {\an8}...that they either recognise or aspire to. 382 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,344 That's what they want America to look like, 383 00:22:37,427 --> 00:22:38,428 people who help each other. 384 00:22:38,512 --> 00:22:40,305 Matt, look! There's Mr Jones! 385 00:22:40,389 --> 00:22:42,307 I'm putting my money in this bank! 386 00:22:42,391 --> 00:22:43,392 I know what I'm doing! 387 00:22:45,435 --> 00:22:47,062 Open up. I want to put some money here. 388 00:22:47,145 --> 00:22:48,189 I don't want to take any out! 389 00:22:48,273 --> 00:22:49,857 Certainly, Mr Jones. Teller... 390 00:22:49,941 --> 00:22:51,484 They're starting to come in already. 391 00:22:51,567 --> 00:22:53,361 Yeah, yeah, well, listen. Don't waste any time. 392 00:22:53,444 --> 00:22:55,238 Get all the money you can lay your hands on. 393 00:22:55,321 --> 00:22:56,489 Who's this? 394 00:22:57,532 --> 00:22:59,117 Come on out here, pawnbrokers. Take a look. 395 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,660 We've been waiting 50 minutes. 396 00:23:00,743 --> 00:23:02,203 Come on. Take a look at this. 397 00:23:02,287 --> 00:23:03,955 See a demonstration of faith that's worth more 398 00:23:04,038 --> 00:23:05,123 than all the collateral. 399 00:23:05,206 --> 00:23:07,333 Come on, boys. It'll do your heart good. 400 00:23:07,417 --> 00:23:09,377 Look at that. They're shoving their hard-earned money 401 00:23:09,460 --> 00:23:11,629 across the counter with a 10-1 chance against them. 402 00:23:16,509 --> 00:23:18,094 One thing we have to keep in mind is that 403 00:23:18,177 --> 00:23:20,680 the American studios were always producing films 404 00:23:20,763 --> 00:23:22,557 {\an8}for a global audience. 405 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,393 {\an8}His films that we think of as so quintessentially American 406 00:23:25,476 --> 00:23:27,395 {\an8}were huge hits wherever they played. 407 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,064 {\an8}And that's interesting, and they seem to have 408 00:23:30,148 --> 00:23:33,151 {\an8}the same meaning for audiences in France, 409 00:23:33,234 --> 00:23:36,030 audiences in the UK that they had for 410 00:23:36,113 --> 00:23:37,948 audiences here in the US. 411 00:23:40,701 --> 00:23:43,037 And it was now this time that you began your association 412 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:44,538 with Robert Riskin. 413 00:23:44,622 --> 00:23:47,249 It was a very happy and very long association. 414 00:23:47,333 --> 00:23:49,543 We both vibrated to the same tuning fork. 415 00:23:49,627 --> 00:23:51,587 We collaborated on everything 416 00:23:51,670 --> 00:23:55,382 and we both kind of had that same idea of comedy. 417 00:23:55,466 --> 00:23:57,468 Human comedy, not gag comedy. 418 00:23:57,551 --> 00:24:00,930 And that's a great thing, 419 00:24:01,013 --> 00:24:02,848 when you can get two people that agree. 420 00:24:04,391 --> 00:24:07,645 Capra had an exceptional eye for good writing, 421 00:24:07,728 --> 00:24:10,648 and he knew the importance of a good script. 422 00:24:10,731 --> 00:24:14,276 So, in the early '30s, when he starts landing 423 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:18,280 some really exceptionally talented screenwriters, 424 00:24:18,364 --> 00:24:20,032 he was ready to go. 425 00:24:27,749 --> 00:24:30,252 Later in his life, Capra would, sort of, take credit 426 00:24:30,335 --> 00:24:32,045 for pretty much everything in his films. 427 00:24:32,128 --> 00:24:33,797 But early on, he was smart enough 428 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,675 to put together the best crew he possibly could. 429 00:24:38,009 --> 00:24:41,638 The cameraman, Joseph Walker, who was on so many of his films, 430 00:24:41,721 --> 00:24:43,974 and Barbara Stanwyck and other actors 431 00:24:44,057 --> 00:24:47,394 who really helped to create the world that he made. 432 00:24:48,103 --> 00:24:50,188 So I think that the Capra film 433 00:24:50,272 --> 00:24:53,191 stands for a wide crew of people. 434 00:25:05,870 --> 00:25:09,458 When It Happened One Night was released into theatres, 435 00:25:09,542 --> 00:25:13,588 {\an8}believe it or not, initially, it didn't do that well. 436 00:25:14,046 --> 00:25:16,382 {\an8}But then something happened. 437 00:25:17,216 --> 00:25:19,260 People started coming back. 438 00:25:19,635 --> 00:25:22,555 The ones who saw it liked it enough to go back, 439 00:25:22,638 --> 00:25:24,515 and they told their friends. 440 00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:29,437 Capra liked to say years later that "people made that movie" 441 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,106 because it was the ticketholders... 442 00:25:32,189 --> 00:25:35,359 ...the punters who just kept coming back. 443 00:25:39,530 --> 00:25:42,325 Any time you're going back to, you know, the production 444 00:25:42,408 --> 00:25:45,828 of a Hollywood film during the classic era... 445 00:25:45,912 --> 00:25:48,706 ...there can be a lot of myths attached to it. 446 00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:53,210 {\an8}In this case, it's safe to go with the stories 447 00:25:53,294 --> 00:25:55,005 {\an8}because they're not really myths. 448 00:25:55,088 --> 00:25:58,050 {\an8}Nobody wanted to make this movie. 449 00:25:58,133 --> 00:26:01,845 Certainly, it's two stars had to sort of be dragged 450 00:26:01,929 --> 00:26:03,305 kicking and screaming. 451 00:26:03,388 --> 00:26:08,143 Clark Gable was there because he was being punished by MGM. 452 00:26:08,226 --> 00:26:10,479 He had been asking for more money 453 00:26:10,562 --> 00:26:12,814 and MGM kind of told him to go sit in a corner 454 00:26:12,898 --> 00:26:14,441 and think about what he did. 455 00:26:14,524 --> 00:26:18,111 And Claudette Colbert only agreed to do it 456 00:26:18,195 --> 00:26:22,032 when she was given an exorbitant salary 457 00:26:22,115 --> 00:26:23,325 for doing so. 458 00:26:23,408 --> 00:26:25,327 Next time you drop in, bring your folks. 459 00:26:25,953 --> 00:26:29,456 At some point during the filming of It Happened One Night, 460 00:26:29,539 --> 00:26:31,208 it started to hit people 461 00:26:31,291 --> 00:26:35,087 that their kind of loosey-goosey attitude 462 00:26:35,170 --> 00:26:36,838 towards making this movie 463 00:26:36,922 --> 00:26:40,509 was actually producing something rather special. 464 00:26:51,104 --> 00:26:53,898 Claudette Colbert said in later years 465 00:26:53,982 --> 00:26:57,652 that when she read "The Man on the Flying Trapeze" scene, 466 00:26:57,735 --> 00:27:00,071 she thought it was kind of ridiculous. 467 00:27:00,154 --> 00:27:02,490 Couldn't understand how everybody on the bus 468 00:27:02,573 --> 00:27:05,285 would know the lyrics to one song. 469 00:27:05,368 --> 00:27:10,415 But then, when she actually got in there and was filming it, 470 00:27:10,498 --> 00:27:13,376 she happened to catch the eye of her maid 471 00:27:13,459 --> 00:27:16,462 who was standing somewhere behind the cameraman, 472 00:27:16,546 --> 00:27:19,215 and her maid was loving it. 473 00:27:22,802 --> 00:27:27,390 And Claudette thought, "Wow. Okay. 474 00:27:27,473 --> 00:27:29,643 "We really may have something here." 475 00:27:46,201 --> 00:27:51,790 Movies of any type are often about an idealised portrayal. 476 00:27:51,874 --> 00:27:53,584 Life as you wish it were, 477 00:27:53,667 --> 00:27:57,087 not necessarily life as it really is. 478 00:27:57,171 --> 00:28:01,175 So, when they get on the bus and start singing 479 00:28:01,258 --> 00:28:05,930 "The Man on the Flying Trapeze", that's when you really know 480 00:28:06,013 --> 00:28:11,644 that this is a movie about people coming together. 481 00:28:21,613 --> 00:28:25,450 There's not a lot of the Depression 482 00:28:25,533 --> 00:28:29,245 in It Happened One Night, oddly enough. 483 00:28:29,746 --> 00:28:35,085 {\an8}A train goes by as they wait at the crossroads 484 00:28:35,168 --> 00:28:38,046 and on the train are some hobos. 485 00:28:38,129 --> 00:28:41,508 The Depression is now passing through the film. 486 00:28:41,591 --> 00:28:42,884 "Hello, audience. 487 00:28:42,968 --> 00:28:45,679 "Yes, we remember there's a Depression", 488 00:28:45,762 --> 00:28:48,848 but, you know, you're talking about something else 489 00:28:48,932 --> 00:28:50,225 in this movie. 490 00:28:50,308 --> 00:28:51,851 A love story. 491 00:28:52,644 --> 00:28:56,606 A love story where a woman who has money 492 00:28:56,690 --> 00:29:00,777 and a guy who doesn't learn about each other, 493 00:29:00,860 --> 00:29:05,283 and you learn that not having money is okay. 494 00:29:05,366 --> 00:29:07,493 In fact, it's noble. 495 00:29:07,576 --> 00:29:09,620 It's better than being rich. 496 00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:12,373 Where'd you learn to dunk? In finishing school? 497 00:29:13,416 --> 00:29:15,835 Now, don't you start telling me I shouldn't dunk. 498 00:29:15,918 --> 00:29:17,503 Of course you shouldn't. You don't know how to do it. 499 00:29:17,587 --> 00:29:18,754 Dunking's an art. 500 00:29:18,838 --> 00:29:22,633 Don't let it soak so long. A dip, and into your mouth. 501 00:29:23,092 --> 00:29:25,303 You leave it in too long, it'll get soft and fall off. 502 00:29:25,386 --> 00:29:28,097 It's all a matter of timing. I'll write a book about it. 503 00:29:28,931 --> 00:29:31,601 -Thanks, Professor. -Just goes to show you. 504 00:29:32,059 --> 00:29:34,145 Plenty millions and you don't know how to dunk. 505 00:29:34,228 --> 00:29:36,230 These rich people couldn't dunk doughnuts. 506 00:29:36,314 --> 00:29:40,067 I mean, there's no future in life if you can't dunk. 507 00:29:40,151 --> 00:29:42,903 She doesn't even know what piggybacking is. 508 00:29:42,987 --> 00:29:44,322 Are the shower's in there? 509 00:29:44,405 --> 00:29:45,656 They ain't out here. 510 00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:49,494 She has to learn to be an American, 511 00:29:49,995 --> 00:29:51,580 and not a rich person. 512 00:29:51,663 --> 00:29:54,374 That is really what this is about. 513 00:29:54,458 --> 00:29:57,794 She has to learn to be like other Americans. 514 00:29:58,211 --> 00:29:59,838 A person without money. 515 00:29:59,922 --> 00:30:03,091 You want to shower around here, you'll stand in line. 516 00:30:03,175 --> 00:30:07,346 Money is not important. It's not the thing. 517 00:30:07,429 --> 00:30:11,266 It's a reassuring message for American audiences. 518 00:30:11,725 --> 00:30:15,145 Well, today, it's easy. It's a rom-com, right? 519 00:30:15,228 --> 00:30:17,481 There weren't a lot of 'em back in the day. 520 00:30:17,564 --> 00:30:20,943 It's a star-driven rom-com. It's very simple. 521 00:30:21,026 --> 00:30:24,154 It's When Harry Met Sally... or any one of the movies 522 00:30:24,237 --> 00:30:26,698 that Tom Hanks made with Meg Ryan. 523 00:30:26,782 --> 00:30:28,867 At the time, it was way more than that. 524 00:30:28,951 --> 00:30:31,912 It was genre-breaking. There really weren't a lot of 'em. 525 00:30:31,995 --> 00:30:35,249 It was class-based romance. It was pretty racy. 526 00:30:37,085 --> 00:30:41,589 It's scene after scene after scene of perfectly staged 527 00:30:41,673 --> 00:30:43,716 drama/comedy. 528 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,302 It's a movie where everything came together. 529 00:30:46,386 --> 00:30:49,722 The screenplay, the casting. Not this one but that one. 530 00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:52,058 We tried to get this one, but he was unavailable. 531 00:30:52,141 --> 00:30:56,521 Mr Meyer forced Gable on Harry Cohn, whatever it was. 532 00:30:56,604 --> 00:30:58,398 This looks like the best spot. 533 00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:01,776 We're not going to sleep out here, are we? 534 00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:03,027 I don't know about you, 535 00:31:03,111 --> 00:31:05,697 but I'm going to give a fairly good imitation of it. 536 00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:08,700 The famous scene where they go to sleep under the haystacks. 537 00:31:08,783 --> 00:31:10,076 Beautifully shot. 538 00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:13,955 And the desire between them is so palpable. 539 00:31:16,249 --> 00:31:19,335 The other thing he controlled masterfully was rhythm. 540 00:31:19,419 --> 00:31:21,337 And so often, his movies move fast, 541 00:31:21,421 --> 00:31:23,257 but he also knows when to slow down. 542 00:31:23,841 --> 00:31:26,635 And in that film, when they almost kiss 543 00:31:26,719 --> 00:31:30,222 and then Gable stands up and lights a cigarette instead 544 00:31:30,639 --> 00:31:32,600 and goes to sleep in the other haystack. 545 00:31:33,475 --> 00:31:35,352 And you cut back to her and she's looking at him, 546 00:31:35,436 --> 00:31:37,354 "Oh, you dope, why didn't you kiss me? 547 00:31:37,438 --> 00:31:38,939 "Why didn't you kiss me?" 548 00:31:39,023 --> 00:31:42,359 And it just quietly fades out on a close-up of her. 549 00:31:42,443 --> 00:31:43,777 It's so beautiful. 550 00:31:44,361 --> 00:31:45,946 Just so beautiful. 551 00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:51,660 It wasn't really anything anybody thought 552 00:31:51,744 --> 00:31:52,953 was going to be successful, 553 00:31:53,037 --> 00:31:55,623 and there were a lot of problems going along with it. 554 00:31:55,706 --> 00:31:59,043 And Frank said, "You know, maybe we should abandon this. 555 00:31:59,126 --> 00:32:01,003 "I mean, nobody seems to want this. 556 00:32:01,086 --> 00:32:03,631 "Everybody says a bus story is never going to work." 557 00:32:05,507 --> 00:32:07,801 At that time, Columbia was still 558 00:32:07,885 --> 00:32:09,971 making its way off of Poverty Row, 559 00:32:10,722 --> 00:32:14,392 and it became a giant hit for Clark Gable. 560 00:32:14,476 --> 00:32:17,270 It was transcendent in the history 561 00:32:17,354 --> 00:32:19,189 and the life of the studio, 562 00:32:19,272 --> 00:32:22,233 and it's the first of only three movies ever 563 00:32:22,317 --> 00:32:23,652 in the history of Hollywood 564 00:32:23,735 --> 00:32:27,197 to have won all five of the major Academy Awards. 565 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,533 Picture, director, writer, actor, and actress. 566 00:32:31,159 --> 00:32:34,955 So it pulled Columbia up into the big leagues. 567 00:32:40,001 --> 00:32:43,672 Frank Capra rang the gong of Hollywood 568 00:32:43,755 --> 00:32:45,799 in a way it had never been rung before. 569 00:32:45,882 --> 00:32:50,428 It Happened One Night won all five top prizes. 570 00:32:51,179 --> 00:32:53,348 This was a singular thing 571 00:32:53,431 --> 00:32:55,350 that this young man 572 00:32:55,433 --> 00:32:58,896 at a low-budget, Poverty Row studio 573 00:32:58,980 --> 00:33:01,524 hit the top, hit the top. 574 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,322 Those five awards nearly killed me. 575 00:33:08,406 --> 00:33:10,908 I mean, you know, you shake the Oscar tree 576 00:33:10,992 --> 00:33:12,410 when you get the five major awards. 577 00:33:12,493 --> 00:33:14,078 What are you gonna do for an encore? 578 00:33:14,161 --> 00:33:15,162 This was my problem, 579 00:33:15,246 --> 00:33:18,291 and I got it so early in my life, you see? 580 00:33:18,374 --> 00:33:20,960 Capra went to pieces kind of after he became successful 581 00:33:21,043 --> 00:33:22,712 with It Happened One Night. 582 00:33:22,795 --> 00:33:25,715 He said suddenly people know who you are in Asia, 583 00:33:25,798 --> 00:33:28,718 you know, I mean, it's a whole different feeling. 584 00:33:28,801 --> 00:33:31,345 I read all kinds of things, but everything seemed trivial 585 00:33:31,429 --> 00:33:35,057 and puerile after that, and I feigned sickness. 586 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,853 Not to make any more pictures. I wanted to quit for a while. 587 00:33:38,936 --> 00:33:41,647 I was afraid, actually afraid to make another film. 588 00:33:41,731 --> 00:33:44,776 He's a director who, like many others at that time, 589 00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:46,069 was working nonstop. 590 00:33:46,153 --> 00:33:50,073 So It Happened One Night, of course, sets him up to fail 591 00:33:50,157 --> 00:33:52,951 as much as it sets him up to succeed. 592 00:33:53,035 --> 00:33:55,829 He almost died of peritonitis 593 00:33:55,912 --> 00:33:58,248 and he was really ill, seriously ill. 594 00:33:58,332 --> 00:34:00,959 So I feigned sickness, but in feigning sickness, 595 00:34:01,043 --> 00:34:05,255 I became sick, and I was really about to die 596 00:34:05,339 --> 00:34:07,466 when a friend of mine 597 00:34:07,549 --> 00:34:10,761 brought in a very faceless old man who came in 598 00:34:10,843 --> 00:34:13,305 and said to me, "Mr Capra, you're a coward". 599 00:34:14,514 --> 00:34:16,015 And I said, "Coward? I'm sick". 600 00:34:16,099 --> 00:34:18,060 And he said, "No, you're a coward. 601 00:34:18,142 --> 00:34:19,852 "You were given certain gifts 602 00:34:19,937 --> 00:34:21,812 "and you're not using them. 603 00:34:21,897 --> 00:34:24,399 "You have been given a gift to reach hundreds of millions 604 00:34:24,483 --> 00:34:26,443 "and for two hours, and in the dark. 605 00:34:26,526 --> 00:34:28,153 "You're a coward. You're an offence to God. 606 00:34:28,236 --> 00:34:29,571 "You're an offence to humanity." 607 00:34:29,655 --> 00:34:31,324 And he just got up and left. 608 00:34:31,741 --> 00:34:33,242 Things do seem to change. 609 00:34:33,326 --> 00:34:36,788 Capra himself told a clearly apocryphal story 610 00:34:36,871 --> 00:34:39,207 about while he was convalescing, 611 00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:42,668 being visited by a little man whose name we don't know. 612 00:34:42,752 --> 00:34:44,379 We know nothing about him. 613 00:34:44,462 --> 00:34:46,505 Who told him to get up and get to work 614 00:34:46,589 --> 00:34:48,549 and stop feeling sorry for himself 615 00:34:48,632 --> 00:34:50,969 and to start to make films that meant things. 616 00:34:51,052 --> 00:34:53,638 He had to renew himself. 617 00:34:53,721 --> 00:34:57,058 He had to recharge himself, 618 00:34:57,141 --> 00:35:00,645 and no one really knows the why of this, 619 00:35:00,728 --> 00:35:03,606 and although he alludes to these things 620 00:35:03,690 --> 00:35:06,401 and discusses them in his autobiography, 621 00:35:06,484 --> 00:35:08,861 talked about them in interviews, 622 00:35:08,945 --> 00:35:10,655 you don't really understand 623 00:35:10,738 --> 00:35:14,409 exactly what is going on here with him. 624 00:35:14,492 --> 00:35:19,540 He is a man who feels things and fears things. 625 00:35:20,833 --> 00:35:23,752 As I got to know Frank over the years 626 00:35:23,836 --> 00:35:25,713 and we spent a lot of time 627 00:35:25,796 --> 00:35:28,048 talking on the telephone together, 628 00:35:28,132 --> 00:35:32,469 we talked about his illnesses and his crises. 629 00:35:32,553 --> 00:35:36,765 And I would just say that he knew he was vulnerable. 630 00:35:37,182 --> 00:35:40,686 There's always something in you or in your life 631 00:35:40,769 --> 00:35:42,438 that can bring you pain. 632 00:35:43,147 --> 00:35:45,149 Some of it is simple health. 633 00:35:45,608 --> 00:35:48,360 Other things are deeper than that. 634 00:35:48,444 --> 00:35:52,489 And I think that's probably all I would want to say about that. 635 00:35:52,573 --> 00:35:56,744 Capra realised how many people he was speaking to, 636 00:35:57,328 --> 00:35:59,997 and how successfully he was coming across. 637 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,083 So he wanted to make sure he was saying something 638 00:36:03,501 --> 00:36:06,630 important about the way that we lived. 639 00:36:06,713 --> 00:36:11,468 And it's that spiritual rebirth that fuels 640 00:36:11,551 --> 00:36:15,347 the next run of Capra's great movies. 641 00:36:21,478 --> 00:36:23,063 {\an8}I was doing it unconsciously. 642 00:36:23,855 --> 00:36:26,024 {\an8}But consciously, 643 00:36:26,107 --> 00:36:28,735 {\an8}the first film that I was going to make 644 00:36:28,818 --> 00:36:30,445 where I attempted to say something 645 00:36:30,528 --> 00:36:32,072 was Mr Deeds Goes to Town. 646 00:36:32,739 --> 00:36:36,034 An individual that reached deep within his resources 647 00:36:36,117 --> 00:36:39,412 and come up with the wits and the strength 648 00:36:39,496 --> 00:36:43,792 and the knowledge to defeat his environment. 649 00:36:44,709 --> 00:36:46,836 Well, that's hope. 650 00:36:47,712 --> 00:36:50,508 -Say something. -Tell your story. Go ahead. 651 00:36:50,633 --> 00:36:51,801 -Go ahead. -Tell him. 652 00:36:52,301 --> 00:36:53,386 Mr Deeds, 653 00:36:53,511 --> 00:36:56,013 the boys here wanted me to say a little something. 654 00:36:56,764 --> 00:36:58,557 Just wanted me to say that... 655 00:36:59,767 --> 00:37:02,937 Well, they want me to say that we think you're swell. 656 00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:04,188 And that's no baloney. 657 00:37:05,231 --> 00:37:08,025 -Say something more. -Give me a chance, fellas. 658 00:37:08,109 --> 00:37:11,153 We're all down and out. A fella like you comes along, 659 00:37:11,237 --> 00:37:12,989 it kinda gives us a little hope. 660 00:37:13,322 --> 00:37:16,200 From Mr Deeds on, my films are pretty much alike. 661 00:37:16,284 --> 00:37:19,370 I mean, the same things kept cropping up in them. 662 00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:22,123 -That's him. -Are you Longfellow Deeds? 663 00:37:22,206 --> 00:37:23,582 -Yes. -Sheriff's Office. 664 00:37:23,666 --> 00:37:25,543 We got a warrant to take you into custody. 665 00:37:26,002 --> 00:37:27,003 A what? 666 00:37:27,086 --> 00:37:28,921 A warrant for your arrest. You have to come along with us. 667 00:37:29,005 --> 00:37:31,340 These were films like Mr Deeds Goes to Town, 668 00:37:31,424 --> 00:37:34,176 Mr Smith Goes to Washington, Meet John Doe, 669 00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:36,304 and other films that are clearly 670 00:37:36,387 --> 00:37:40,267 making statements about life as it's lived in America 671 00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:41,393 at that time. 672 00:37:41,476 --> 00:37:46,523 About politics, about industry, about the law, about media. 673 00:37:47,941 --> 00:37:50,360 Because I wanna give money to people who need it, 674 00:37:50,444 --> 00:37:51,737 they think I'm crazy. 675 00:37:52,738 --> 00:37:55,574 That's marvellous. That makes everything complete. 676 00:37:55,657 --> 00:37:58,076 I guess what we learnt here 677 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,579 is a kind of Frank Capra movie, isn't it? 678 00:38:00,662 --> 00:38:06,418 What we learn is that wealth is not the American Dream. 679 00:38:06,501 --> 00:38:09,755 It's about contributing to your community, 680 00:38:09,838 --> 00:38:10,839 to your country. 681 00:38:10,922 --> 00:38:15,677 It's an honourable sense of being a good man. 682 00:38:16,261 --> 00:38:17,387 Mr Deeds. 683 00:38:18,138 --> 00:38:20,974 You haven't yet touched upon the most important point. 684 00:38:21,934 --> 00:38:23,685 It's all a fantastic idea of yours 685 00:38:23,769 --> 00:38:25,688 to want to give away your entire fortune. 686 00:38:26,356 --> 00:38:28,816 It is, to say the least, most uncommon. 687 00:38:29,275 --> 00:38:30,860 It's like the road out in front of my house, 688 00:38:30,944 --> 00:38:31,986 it's on a steep hill. 689 00:38:32,070 --> 00:38:33,988 Every day I watch the cars climbing up. 690 00:38:34,489 --> 00:38:36,532 Some go lickety split up that hill on high, 691 00:38:36,616 --> 00:38:39,994 some have to shift into second and some sputter and shake 692 00:38:40,078 --> 00:38:41,871 and slip back to the bottom again. 693 00:38:41,955 --> 00:38:45,541 Same car, same gasoline, yet some make it and some don't. 694 00:38:45,625 --> 00:38:47,460 And I say the fellas who can make the hill on high 695 00:38:47,543 --> 00:38:49,963 should stop once in a while and help those who can't. 696 00:38:50,046 --> 00:38:51,464 That's all I'm trying to do with this money. 697 00:38:51,547 --> 00:38:53,758 Help the fellas who can't make the hill on high. 698 00:38:54,717 --> 00:38:57,470 And after careful deliberation, the committee have voted 699 00:38:58,304 --> 00:39:00,473 that the best direction for a motion picture 700 00:39:00,556 --> 00:39:02,558 during the year of 1936 701 00:39:03,184 --> 00:39:05,895 is awarded to you, Frank Capra, 702 00:39:05,979 --> 00:39:07,522 for your direction of the picture 703 00:39:07,605 --> 00:39:09,857 Mr Deeds Comes to Town. 704 00:39:11,402 --> 00:39:14,405 Retake, boys. It's "Goes to Town". Can't have that. 705 00:39:19,118 --> 00:39:21,412 Capra had to wait about a year 706 00:39:21,495 --> 00:39:23,706 to even get to make Lost Horizon. 707 00:39:23,789 --> 00:39:26,041 I really think he thought this was going 708 00:39:26,125 --> 00:39:31,964 {\an8}to be a grand statement, a real artistic achievement. 709 00:39:39,513 --> 00:39:42,057 {\an8}After Mr Deeds, Capra was feeling 710 00:39:42,141 --> 00:39:44,018 {\an8}a greater sense of responsibility. 711 00:39:44,101 --> 00:39:46,103 He was dealing with big issues, big subjects. 712 00:39:46,186 --> 00:39:48,105 He was being seen as a political force 713 00:39:48,188 --> 00:39:50,816 in the United States, a cultural force. 714 00:40:00,201 --> 00:40:01,995 Welcome to Shangri-La. 715 00:40:03,371 --> 00:40:05,957 You see, we are sheltered by mountains on every side. 716 00:40:06,541 --> 00:40:09,419 It's a strange phenomena for which we are very grateful. 717 00:40:15,759 --> 00:40:19,554 I simply like the fact that Lost Horizon 718 00:40:19,638 --> 00:40:22,766 is a utopian movie at all. 719 00:40:23,475 --> 00:40:24,851 It's magic. 720 00:40:25,435 --> 00:40:28,313 Those have kind of fallen by the wayside. 721 00:40:28,396 --> 00:40:30,774 Dystopia is what we get now. 722 00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:34,235 The problem with that film is it's a theme picture. 723 00:40:34,319 --> 00:40:36,029 It's not as much about the characters 724 00:40:36,112 --> 00:40:37,405 as the characters are dwarfed 725 00:40:37,489 --> 00:40:39,699 by the big themes and the big sets. 726 00:40:40,575 --> 00:40:43,536 It is our hope that the brotherly love 727 00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:44,956 of Shangri-La 728 00:40:45,915 --> 00:40:50,252 will spread throughout the world. 729 00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:58,010 Capra went way over budget and almost bankrupted Columbia. 730 00:40:58,094 --> 00:41:00,388 Harry Cohn had to call all the employees together 731 00:41:00,471 --> 00:41:02,473 on a soundstage at one point and say, 732 00:41:02,556 --> 00:41:04,225 "We can't pay your cheques for this week", 733 00:41:04,308 --> 00:41:06,060 because they were so short on cash. 734 00:41:07,436 --> 00:41:10,690 -What's happened? Where's Bob? -He's going, my child. 735 00:41:11,274 --> 00:41:12,275 In those days, 736 00:41:12,358 --> 00:41:14,235 there were bank lendings involved 737 00:41:14,318 --> 00:41:17,280 and it wouldn't have been hard for a runaway picture 738 00:41:17,363 --> 00:41:18,489 to sink a studio. 739 00:41:18,572 --> 00:41:20,950 So I think the production problems 740 00:41:21,033 --> 00:41:22,368 on Lost Horizon 741 00:41:22,451 --> 00:41:24,620 took a great toll on both sides. 742 00:41:24,704 --> 00:41:26,664 And it fractured the trust. 743 00:41:26,747 --> 00:41:31,169 And trust is hard won and easily lost. 744 00:41:32,254 --> 00:41:34,881 Harry Cohn took the picture away from Capra 745 00:41:34,965 --> 00:41:37,134 after a while because Capra couldn't bring it down 746 00:41:37,217 --> 00:41:39,177 to the length that Cohn wanted. 747 00:41:39,261 --> 00:41:42,681 It was not the success and winner of Oscars 748 00:41:42,764 --> 00:41:44,391 that they thought it would be. 749 00:41:44,474 --> 00:41:46,393 It was sort of the beginning of the end 750 00:41:46,476 --> 00:41:48,395 between them, probably. 751 00:41:52,316 --> 00:41:55,319 {\an8}Well, I don't start a film unless I have something to say 752 00:41:55,402 --> 00:41:56,903 {\an8}and know what I'm gonna say. 753 00:41:56,987 --> 00:41:58,864 He went down among the people. 754 00:41:59,781 --> 00:42:01,533 And there he found 755 00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:04,745 a nugget. 756 00:42:08,415 --> 00:42:11,793 Capra movies are about good people 757 00:42:11,877 --> 00:42:14,755 up against overwhelming opposition. 758 00:42:14,838 --> 00:42:17,758 ...to Senator Jefferson Smith. 759 00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:24,057 It's generally one person against the media, 760 00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:26,809 the government, popular awareness. 761 00:42:27,727 --> 00:42:30,897 These insurmountable projects 762 00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:33,024 that make them, in a way, 763 00:42:33,107 --> 00:42:35,777 almost like fairy tales, you know. 764 00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:38,571 How is Saint George going to slay the dragon? 765 00:42:38,655 --> 00:42:43,034 There's no way, you know. This is a hopeless situation. 766 00:42:43,117 --> 00:42:46,663 I can't help feeling that there's 767 00:42:46,746 --> 00:42:48,665 been a big mistake somehow. 768 00:42:51,584 --> 00:42:53,753 I don't think I'm gonna be much help to you 769 00:42:53,836 --> 00:42:55,338 down there in Washington, Senator. 770 00:42:57,048 --> 00:43:03,179 I used comedy and laughter as a way of becoming 771 00:43:03,262 --> 00:43:04,472 very friendly with the audience, 772 00:43:04,555 --> 00:43:07,226 or making the audience very friendly with the film, 773 00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:08,894 and with the characters in the film. 774 00:43:08,978 --> 00:43:12,564 It's comedy directors who typically are most adept 775 00:43:12,648 --> 00:43:15,109 at drama and pathos. 776 00:43:15,776 --> 00:43:17,861 That's his brilliance with casting, 777 00:43:17,945 --> 00:43:19,947 is that he's a comedy director. 778 00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:23,701 That's his brilliance with pacing, with rhythm, 779 00:43:23,784 --> 00:43:25,619 is that he's a comedy director. 780 00:43:26,662 --> 00:43:31,667 It's in comedy that you learn the control of those things. 781 00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:35,087 It's really hard to calibrate things 782 00:43:35,170 --> 00:43:37,214 to get those laughs from the audience 783 00:43:37,298 --> 00:43:40,592 and it takes time and it takes talent, 784 00:43:40,676 --> 00:43:42,928 experience and screening. 785 00:43:43,012 --> 00:43:44,888 You've got to screen your pictures a lot. 786 00:43:45,389 --> 00:43:47,057 If you entertain them with laughter, 787 00:43:47,141 --> 00:43:49,184 then you have them at a point 788 00:43:49,268 --> 00:43:51,186 where they might sit still for a message. 789 00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:53,315 Hello, Senator. I was just passing through. 790 00:43:53,398 --> 00:43:54,941 I thought I'd like to meet you. 791 00:43:55,817 --> 00:43:57,152 Sit down. You met all the boys here, 792 00:43:57,235 --> 00:43:58,236 -I suppose. -Yes, sir. 793 00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,946 They tell me you've been right on your toes 794 00:44:00,030 --> 00:44:01,364 ever since you got here. 795 00:44:01,448 --> 00:44:02,616 That's fine. 796 00:44:03,742 --> 00:44:06,745 You know, some people told me that you were dumb. 797 00:44:06,828 --> 00:44:08,496 I think you're smart. 798 00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:11,499 What fascinated you most about the story of Mr Smith? 799 00:44:12,626 --> 00:44:15,545 Well, the story of Mr Smith is the story 800 00:44:15,629 --> 00:44:19,591 of a young nobody that gets put into a position of trust 801 00:44:19,674 --> 00:44:21,593 and is an idealist. 802 00:44:22,093 --> 00:44:23,803 And he doesn't like what he finds. 803 00:44:24,179 --> 00:44:25,805 And he doesn't like 804 00:44:26,306 --> 00:44:30,268 this compromise and making do and this rubbing one's back. 805 00:44:30,352 --> 00:44:32,854 And particularly doesn't like graft. 806 00:44:33,521 --> 00:44:36,358 And he doesn't like power. So he began to fight it, 807 00:44:36,441 --> 00:44:38,527 and the machine just steamrolled right over him 808 00:44:38,611 --> 00:44:39,946 and flattened him right out. 809 00:44:41,238 --> 00:44:42,615 And with the aid of a girl 810 00:44:42,698 --> 00:44:45,701 who took an interest in him, he got up on his feet 811 00:44:45,785 --> 00:44:47,787 and fought back and won. 812 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,623 He found it deep within, inside, 813 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,085 he had the moral, the mental 814 00:44:54,961 --> 00:44:57,338 and enough wit and everything else 815 00:44:58,172 --> 00:45:00,800 to win out over his environmental difficulties. 816 00:45:01,509 --> 00:45:04,011 You mean you tell these men and Senator Paine what to do? 817 00:45:04,095 --> 00:45:05,513 Why, yes. 818 00:45:05,596 --> 00:45:08,724 Joe Paine has been taking my advice for the past 20 years. 819 00:45:11,018 --> 00:45:12,603 You're a liar. 820 00:45:17,942 --> 00:45:20,403 Mr Smith Goes to Washington was released 821 00:45:20,486 --> 00:45:22,905 at the same time that Hitler attacked Poland. 822 00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,496 It was a time of great crisis, 823 00:45:29,579 --> 00:45:32,791 and Americans really needed to come together 824 00:45:32,874 --> 00:45:34,960 to not only save the country in the Depression, 825 00:45:35,043 --> 00:45:37,045 but later join the Allies 826 00:45:37,129 --> 00:45:39,548 to save the world in World War II. 827 00:45:39,631 --> 00:45:41,842 And those crises came back to back. 828 00:45:42,634 --> 00:45:46,346 How to join together to be part of a worthy cause 829 00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:47,597 that's bigger than yourself, 830 00:45:47,681 --> 00:45:49,516 and at the same time, how to do that 831 00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:51,602 without losing hold of 832 00:45:51,685 --> 00:45:54,438 what's important to you personally? 833 00:45:54,521 --> 00:45:57,691 Americans had to answer these questions 834 00:45:57,774 --> 00:45:59,818 at the moment Capra was making a movie. 835 00:45:59,901 --> 00:46:01,903 They were urgent questions. 836 00:46:01,987 --> 00:46:04,114 They were not theoretical questions. 837 00:46:04,197 --> 00:46:06,700 I mean, even whether they were consciously addressed 838 00:46:06,783 --> 00:46:09,244 or unconsciously addressed by Americans, 839 00:46:09,328 --> 00:46:11,914 they were living with them day to day. 840 00:46:12,665 --> 00:46:14,459 How big is this thing? Where's it going to be? 841 00:46:14,542 --> 00:46:16,085 How many boys will it accommodate? 842 00:46:16,169 --> 00:46:17,920 You've got to have all that in it, you know. 843 00:46:18,004 --> 00:46:20,298 Yeah, and something else, Ms Saunders. 844 00:46:20,381 --> 00:46:23,926 The spirit of it, the idea... 845 00:46:25,011 --> 00:46:26,095 How do you say it? 846 00:46:29,265 --> 00:46:31,517 -That's what's got to be in it. -What? 847 00:46:31,893 --> 00:46:33,394 The Capitol Dome. 848 00:46:33,895 --> 00:46:34,938 On paper? 849 00:46:35,021 --> 00:46:37,899 I want to make that come to life for every boy in this land. 850 00:46:37,982 --> 00:46:40,151 Yes, and I'll light it up like that, too. 851 00:46:41,527 --> 00:46:45,031 You see, boys forget what their country means 852 00:46:45,114 --> 00:46:47,825 by reading "the land of the free" in history books. 853 00:46:47,909 --> 00:46:50,370 When they get to be men, they forget even more. 854 00:46:51,704 --> 00:46:55,083 Liberty is too precious a thing to be buried in books. 855 00:46:55,166 --> 00:46:57,168 Unlike other filmmakers at the time, 856 00:46:57,251 --> 00:46:59,421 people saw in his films 857 00:46:59,505 --> 00:47:01,757 a model of what they hoped their lives would be. 858 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,927 They saw his films as aspirational in some ways. 859 00:47:05,010 --> 00:47:06,971 They saw his films as comments 860 00:47:07,054 --> 00:47:09,264 on what it's like to live in modern America. 861 00:47:09,932 --> 00:47:11,308 Men should hold it up in front of them 862 00:47:11,392 --> 00:47:15,104 every single day of their lives and say, "I'm free". 863 00:47:15,854 --> 00:47:18,315 They see the problems that they're experiencing. 864 00:47:18,399 --> 00:47:20,651 The government wasn't responding to their needs. 865 00:47:20,734 --> 00:47:22,736 The law certainly didn't do that. 866 00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:24,989 Capitalism seemed to have run amok. 867 00:47:25,072 --> 00:47:26,615 It wasn't helping anyone. 868 00:47:27,032 --> 00:47:31,662 Capra was always, always in touch with the audience, 869 00:47:32,037 --> 00:47:35,457 not just in terms of what they wanted in entertainment 870 00:47:35,541 --> 00:47:39,628 but who they were emotionally as Americans. 871 00:47:40,921 --> 00:47:42,589 Were you some kind of a populist, 872 00:47:42,673 --> 00:47:44,091 or was there something in the fact 873 00:47:44,174 --> 00:47:46,303 that you had been a poor kid yourself 874 00:47:46,386 --> 00:47:48,388 and somewhere in the American, 875 00:47:49,014 --> 00:47:51,057 you'd found your way upward? 876 00:47:51,433 --> 00:47:54,185 The kind of pictures I made from It Happened One Night on 877 00:47:54,769 --> 00:47:56,855 were my way of saying, "Thanks, America, 878 00:47:56,938 --> 00:48:00,692 "for giving me the opportunity", because only in America, 879 00:48:00,775 --> 00:48:04,904 it can happen that a son of illiterate parent peasants 880 00:48:05,405 --> 00:48:07,407 could get this kind of an education that I'd had. 881 00:48:07,490 --> 00:48:10,994 And then be allowed to use whatever talents he had. 882 00:48:11,786 --> 00:48:13,413 You can't quit now. 883 00:48:13,496 --> 00:48:17,584 Not you. They aren't all Taylors and Paines in Washington. 884 00:48:17,667 --> 00:48:20,170 That kind just throw big shadows, that's all. 885 00:48:21,212 --> 00:48:23,548 You didn't just have faith in Paine 886 00:48:23,632 --> 00:48:25,008 or any other living man. 887 00:48:25,091 --> 00:48:27,260 You had faith in something bigger than that. 888 00:48:27,344 --> 00:48:31,306 You had plain, decent, everyday common rightness, 889 00:48:31,389 --> 00:48:33,726 and this country could use some of that. 890 00:48:38,397 --> 00:48:40,358 He had a love for people. 891 00:48:40,441 --> 00:48:43,819 You see it in the faces of Capra's people. 892 00:48:43,903 --> 00:48:45,363 If you look at a Capra movie, 893 00:48:45,446 --> 00:48:49,784 it is cast down to the smallest part. 894 00:48:49,867 --> 00:48:54,163 The faces speak so clearly of character. 895 00:48:54,246 --> 00:48:56,415 It was very important to me who played the smaller parts. 896 00:48:56,499 --> 00:48:58,709 I treated all the small parts as star parts. 897 00:48:59,335 --> 00:49:00,962 I use people. I love people. 898 00:49:01,879 --> 00:49:05,508 Capra's films have an expansiveness to them. 899 00:49:05,591 --> 00:49:08,177 They seem to speak to the desires of many people 900 00:49:08,260 --> 00:49:12,556 in the audience, but they also have incredible limits, too. 901 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,724 And we can see that 902 00:49:13,808 --> 00:49:16,852 in the overarching whiteness of his films 903 00:49:16,936 --> 00:49:19,523 and his unwillingness to talk 904 00:49:19,606 --> 00:49:22,276 about anything other than whiteness 905 00:49:22,359 --> 00:49:23,610 for the most part. 906 00:49:24,278 --> 00:49:27,030 The expansiveness, the broadness of Capra's films, 907 00:49:27,114 --> 00:49:28,407 we always have to keep in mind 908 00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:30,284 that there are those limits, too, 909 00:49:30,367 --> 00:49:33,495 that certainly weren't unique to him, 910 00:49:33,578 --> 00:49:36,456 but that perhaps he could have done a much better job at. 911 00:49:36,999 --> 00:49:38,500 This John Doe meeting's gonna be 912 00:49:38,583 --> 00:49:40,127 {\an8}one of the biggest things that ever happened. 913 00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:41,503 {\an8}And why they're coming from all over. 914 00:49:41,586 --> 00:49:43,547 {\an8}Trains, boxcars, wagons. 915 00:50:11,242 --> 00:50:14,370 Frank Capra movies will frequently show 916 00:50:14,454 --> 00:50:17,415 people being kind and wonderful 917 00:50:17,498 --> 00:50:20,627 and even noble on an individual basis. 918 00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:25,381 But large groups of people are frequently sinister 919 00:50:25,465 --> 00:50:26,674 by contrast. 920 00:50:35,850 --> 00:50:38,144 One of your critics has argued 921 00:50:38,227 --> 00:50:40,313 that implicit in all of your films 922 00:50:40,396 --> 00:50:43,358 is a distrust of the majority. 923 00:50:43,441 --> 00:50:45,360 I'm not against a crowd of individuals. 924 00:50:45,443 --> 00:50:46,778 I'm against the mass. 925 00:50:46,903 --> 00:50:50,698 {\an8}I'm against the mass conforming. 926 00:50:50,782 --> 00:50:53,035 {\an8}I'm not against a crowd of individuals. 927 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,999 And I think that the majority does tend to be the herd. 928 00:50:59,083 --> 00:51:02,169 {\an8}They can be conformed and channelised 929 00:51:02,252 --> 00:51:04,171 {\an8}and allow themselves to be channelised. 930 00:51:04,588 --> 00:51:07,591 And it's only those guys that stick their heads up, say, 931 00:51:07,675 --> 00:51:10,344 "I don't want to go this way. I want to go this way". 932 00:51:11,845 --> 00:51:13,973 And that I'm interested in, 933 00:51:14,056 --> 00:51:15,891 and I think the world is interested in 934 00:51:15,975 --> 00:51:19,395 and I think that the humanity is interested in. 935 00:51:20,562 --> 00:51:24,233 I think this reflects Frank Capra's 936 00:51:24,316 --> 00:51:27,778 peculiar, if not political outlook, 937 00:51:27,861 --> 00:51:30,990 than his kind of intellectual outlook. 938 00:51:31,073 --> 00:51:36,328 He, you know, loved humanity on a one-by-one basis. 939 00:51:36,412 --> 00:51:39,833 Not so much in vast numbers. 940 00:51:40,542 --> 00:51:43,253 Heroes in the film are very individualistic 941 00:51:43,336 --> 00:51:44,671 and very self-sufficient, 942 00:51:44,754 --> 00:51:47,799 and that was his experience in life. 943 00:51:48,008 --> 00:51:50,760 He was an immigrant, he was an outsider 944 00:51:50,844 --> 00:51:54,681 and I think he's therefore very inherently sympathetic 945 00:51:54,764 --> 00:51:57,142 with the individual versus the system. 946 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,022 The political dimensions of the films 947 00:52:02,105 --> 00:52:03,440 are kind of all over the place. 948 00:52:04,149 --> 00:52:07,235 Robert Riskin, who wrote so many of those first great films 949 00:52:07,319 --> 00:52:10,572 was very much an FDR Democrat at this time. 950 00:52:10,655 --> 00:52:12,157 Capra was a Republican. 951 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:13,366 But he was a Republican 952 00:52:13,450 --> 00:52:16,036 at a time when there was a progressive wing of that party 953 00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:17,954 that was marked by a sort of critique 954 00:52:18,038 --> 00:52:20,206 of the excess of capitalism. 955 00:52:20,290 --> 00:52:22,542 So that made it possible for him to make films 956 00:52:22,626 --> 00:52:25,420 with New Deal Democrats. 957 00:52:25,503 --> 00:52:28,841 And together they could kind of produce an America 958 00:52:28,924 --> 00:52:32,678 that seemed both apolitical and political at the same time. 959 00:52:32,762 --> 00:52:35,681 Both left and right, I suppose, 960 00:52:35,765 --> 00:52:39,226 can all see some value in standing up for the individual, 961 00:52:39,310 --> 00:52:43,981 being oppressed by society and fighting corruption. 962 00:52:44,106 --> 00:52:45,650 -Order, gentlemen. -Mr President! 963 00:52:45,733 --> 00:52:47,693 I stand guilty as framed, 964 00:52:47,777 --> 00:52:49,737 because Section 40 is graft. 965 00:52:49,820 --> 00:52:52,406 And I was ready to say so. I was ready to tell you 966 00:52:52,490 --> 00:52:55,034 that a certain man in my state, a Mr James Taylor, 967 00:52:55,117 --> 00:52:57,453 wanted to put through this dam for his own profit. 968 00:52:57,536 --> 00:53:00,456 A man who controls a political machine 969 00:53:00,539 --> 00:53:03,334 and controls everything else worth controlling in my state. 970 00:53:03,417 --> 00:53:06,128 Yes, a man even powerful enough to control Congressmen. 971 00:53:06,212 --> 00:53:07,713 And I saw three of them in his room 972 00:53:07,797 --> 00:53:09,131 the day I went up to see him. 973 00:53:09,215 --> 00:53:11,384 -Will the Senator yield? -No, sir, I will not yield! 974 00:53:12,927 --> 00:53:16,223 My films were more to uplift 975 00:53:16,306 --> 00:53:18,850 the people from their everyday miseries, 976 00:53:18,934 --> 00:53:21,353 than to sort of change things. 977 00:53:21,436 --> 00:53:23,605 I was aiming at 978 00:53:26,650 --> 00:53:28,735 the general folds of humanity, 979 00:53:28,819 --> 00:53:33,907 and sort of trying to glorify the compassionate, 980 00:53:33,991 --> 00:53:37,536 the forgiving, the merciful, and so forth. 981 00:53:43,208 --> 00:53:45,294 The interesting thing about 982 00:53:45,377 --> 00:53:48,714 a man like Frank Capra, with his success... 983 00:53:48,797 --> 00:53:52,551 Everybody's always going to define him. 984 00:53:52,634 --> 00:53:54,177 He hated that. 985 00:53:55,429 --> 00:53:57,681 I was a Capra fan, 986 00:53:57,764 --> 00:53:59,599 a great admirer of his films. 987 00:53:59,683 --> 00:54:00,935 So, I called up Capra 988 00:54:01,019 --> 00:54:02,729 and I said, "I'd like to interview you". 989 00:54:02,812 --> 00:54:05,982 Went down to Palm Springs. He lived in La Quinta nearby. 990 00:54:06,858 --> 00:54:09,444 And I went to his home. 991 00:54:09,527 --> 00:54:12,322 He had a sprawling white ranch house 992 00:54:12,405 --> 00:54:14,115 with a gigantic American flag. 993 00:54:14,198 --> 00:54:16,618 And we were talking and he was giving me 994 00:54:16,701 --> 00:54:18,828 his whole Frank Capra rap about 995 00:54:18,911 --> 00:54:20,747 the little guy against the system. 996 00:54:20,830 --> 00:54:23,666 He was telling me how he hated bankers and rich people. 997 00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:25,501 And then, a man came to the table. 998 00:54:25,585 --> 00:54:28,504 He had this envelope full of pictures of Capra 999 00:54:28,588 --> 00:54:31,090 playing golf with President Gerald Ford. 1000 00:54:31,174 --> 00:54:32,800 And he spread them on the table, 1001 00:54:32,884 --> 00:54:35,386 and Capra said, "Oh, God. Look at Gerry Ford. 1002 00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:37,221 "He's such a great guy." 1003 00:54:38,139 --> 00:54:40,391 There was a picture in particular that struck me, 1004 00:54:40,475 --> 00:54:41,809 that Capra was putting, 1005 00:54:41,893 --> 00:54:43,978 and Gerald Ford was holding the pin for him, 1006 00:54:44,062 --> 00:54:46,732 and I thought this was amazing. What a symbolic picture, 1007 00:54:46,815 --> 00:54:49,818 the immigrant with the president holding the pen for you. 1008 00:54:49,902 --> 00:54:53,072 That's kind of the ultimate American dream. 1009 00:54:53,155 --> 00:54:55,908 The guy said, "I'll make copies of the pictures for you", 1010 00:54:55,991 --> 00:54:57,368 and Capra said, "Thank you very much", 1011 00:54:57,451 --> 00:54:59,995 And then, he turned to me and he said, "Where was I? 1012 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:03,624 "Oh, yeah, I was telling you how I hate bankers and rich people." 1013 00:55:03,707 --> 00:55:07,503 And he launched back into his rap without a pause, 1014 00:55:07,586 --> 00:55:10,381 and I thought, "This guy is not what he seems to be". 1015 00:55:15,803 --> 00:55:18,263 People, for a long time, 1016 00:55:18,347 --> 00:55:21,892 assumed that the movies that they had seen, 1017 00:55:21,976 --> 00:55:26,021 which were ultimately loving about America, 1018 00:55:26,105 --> 00:55:31,068 embraced a certain type of liberal politics. 1019 00:55:31,151 --> 00:55:35,365 And then, people started to look more closely at him, 1020 00:55:35,448 --> 00:55:40,662 and they discovered that there was another side to Frank Capra. 1021 00:55:40,745 --> 00:55:44,499 There was a side that thought people should be out there, 1022 00:55:44,582 --> 00:55:48,712 pulling themselves up by their bootstraps like he did. 1023 00:55:48,795 --> 00:55:52,382 So, he was a complex person, 1024 00:55:52,465 --> 00:55:54,801 and I think, at some point, 1025 00:55:54,884 --> 00:55:59,180 people started seeing that as a flaw, 1026 00:55:59,264 --> 00:56:02,142 that this the kind of rock-ribbed conservative 1027 00:56:02,225 --> 00:56:07,230 was existing alongside the movies that they had loved. 1028 00:56:09,816 --> 00:56:11,443 Penny, 1029 00:56:11,526 --> 00:56:14,904 why don't you write a play about ism-mania. 1030 00:56:14,988 --> 00:56:17,699 -Ism-mania. -Yeah, sure. 1031 00:56:17,782 --> 00:56:22,455 {\an8}You know, communism, fascism, voodooism. 1032 00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:25,583 Everybody's got an ism these says. 1033 00:56:26,542 --> 00:56:29,503 I thought it was an itch or something. 1034 00:56:29,587 --> 00:56:31,297 Well, it's just as catching. 1035 00:56:31,380 --> 00:56:33,507 When things go a little bad nowadays, 1036 00:56:33,591 --> 00:56:35,801 you go out and get yourself an ism, 1037 00:56:35,885 --> 00:56:37,803 and you're in business. 1038 00:56:37,887 --> 00:56:39,472 I've got it. It might help Cynthia 1039 00:56:39,555 --> 00:56:41,599 to have an ism in the monastery. 1040 00:56:43,267 --> 00:56:44,852 And why is that? 1041 00:56:45,603 --> 00:56:49,607 For the best-directed picture of the year, 1042 00:56:49,690 --> 00:56:51,442 You Can't Take It with You, 1043 00:56:51,525 --> 00:56:56,238 on behalf of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences 1044 00:56:56,322 --> 00:57:00,409 we present to you, Frank Capra, this award. 1045 00:57:00,493 --> 00:57:04,789 As you know, this is the third time you have won 1046 00:57:04,872 --> 00:57:07,124 this highest of our awards, 1047 00:57:07,209 --> 00:57:09,378 and in all sincerity from my heart, 1048 00:57:09,461 --> 00:57:10,921 I thank you. 1049 00:57:11,004 --> 00:57:13,006 Thank you very much, Mr Niblo. 1050 00:57:13,090 --> 00:57:15,175 I'm very happy to have this again. 1051 00:57:15,258 --> 00:57:16,426 Thank you. 1052 00:57:17,678 --> 00:57:20,639 He, quite conceivably, by 1935 or so, 1053 00:57:20,722 --> 00:57:22,766 was the most famous filmmaker in the world, 1054 00:57:22,849 --> 00:57:24,768 or certainly, one of two or three. 1055 00:57:24,851 --> 00:57:29,314 Frank Capra really turned this aspect of self-promotion 1056 00:57:29,398 --> 00:57:30,649 into something of an art, 1057 00:57:30,732 --> 00:57:35,696 and he used that as a tool 1058 00:57:35,779 --> 00:57:41,660 to create, horrid word, a "brand", if you will. 1059 00:57:41,743 --> 00:57:45,455 In the late 1930s, he's on the cover of Time magazine, 1060 00:57:45,539 --> 00:57:47,582 and I think he's the first director 1061 00:57:47,666 --> 00:57:49,126 on the cover of Time. 1062 00:57:49,209 --> 00:57:51,336 And the tagline for that cover is, 1063 00:57:51,420 --> 00:57:54,215 "His stories can't top his story". 1064 00:57:54,299 --> 00:57:56,134 And inside, they told the story 1065 00:57:56,217 --> 00:57:58,177 of a little boy who comes from Palermo, 1066 00:57:58,261 --> 00:58:00,722 who has a terrible life, makes it big. 1067 00:58:00,805 --> 00:58:04,142 So, I think his life, as it was understood in the press, 1068 00:58:04,225 --> 00:58:06,269 by the people who went to see his films, 1069 00:58:06,352 --> 00:58:08,855 was really an important part of why his films 1070 00:58:08,938 --> 00:58:11,482 were so appealing to so many at that time. 1071 00:58:11,566 --> 00:58:15,236 They saw in him a person who they could relate to, 1072 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,823 understand, and who they felt understood things 1073 00:58:18,906 --> 00:58:20,158 the way that they did. 1074 00:58:23,077 --> 00:58:26,164 Hollywood reaches far, carrying its cargo of dreams 1075 00:58:26,247 --> 00:58:28,625 to almost every city and village in America. 1076 00:58:28,708 --> 00:58:30,585 It seemed to me, there was some kind... 1077 00:58:30,668 --> 00:58:32,003 Film offered some kind 1078 00:58:32,086 --> 00:58:34,589 of a social cement, if you will, for people. 1079 00:58:34,672 --> 00:58:36,799 Yes, I think films offered hope. 1080 00:58:38,801 --> 00:58:40,094 And they go out of theatres 1081 00:58:40,178 --> 00:58:41,680 feeling much better than they went in. 1082 00:58:42,556 --> 00:58:43,849 They were lifted. 1083 00:58:45,392 --> 00:58:50,022 Movie-going in the Depression and through World War II 1084 00:58:50,105 --> 00:58:52,733 was different than the way it is now. 1085 00:58:52,816 --> 00:58:58,322 Then, everyone saw virtually the same movies, 1086 00:58:58,405 --> 00:59:02,242 and that creates the sense of movies being a myth, 1087 00:59:02,326 --> 00:59:04,495 that we can all 1088 00:59:04,578 --> 00:59:08,332 have the same frame of reference in our minds, 1089 00:59:08,415 --> 00:59:11,835 we've all been through the same thing together, 1090 00:59:11,919 --> 00:59:16,256 not just as citizens of a country, but as filmgoers. 1091 00:59:16,340 --> 00:59:20,010 That alone gives filmmakers in Capra's generation 1092 00:59:20,094 --> 00:59:23,806 more power than you can imagine a filmmaker having today. 1093 00:59:23,889 --> 00:59:25,766 I mean, you have to think of Capra, 1094 00:59:25,849 --> 00:59:29,270 in a way, as another FDR in that sense. 1095 00:59:29,938 --> 00:59:33,274 That is going to create a lot of suspicion 1096 00:59:33,358 --> 00:59:36,778 as soon as people begin to interrogate 1097 00:59:36,861 --> 00:59:39,114 what it's like for someone in the media 1098 00:59:39,197 --> 00:59:40,907 to have that much power. 1099 00:59:40,991 --> 00:59:43,076 And Capra knew he had that power, 1100 00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:45,161 and so, too, did the American government 1101 00:59:45,245 --> 00:59:46,288 when they brought Capra in 1102 00:59:46,371 --> 00:59:48,748 to make what would become the Why We Fight series. 1103 00:59:59,217 --> 01:00:03,179 {\an8}Causes and events leading up to our entry into the war. 1104 01:00:04,097 --> 01:00:06,057 Well, what are the causes? 1105 01:00:06,850 --> 01:00:09,561 Why are we, Americans on the march? 1106 01:00:10,895 --> 01:00:12,063 Is it because of... 1107 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:18,738 Pearl Harbor? 1108 01:00:21,699 --> 01:00:23,409 Is that why we are fighting? 1109 01:00:24,118 --> 01:00:25,911 Or is it because of... 1110 01:00:26,871 --> 01:00:28,205 Britain? 1111 01:00:35,379 --> 01:00:37,673 Who was the genius behind all this? 1112 01:00:37,757 --> 01:00:41,010 Who made the films that moved presidents, prime ministers 1113 01:00:41,093 --> 01:00:44,513 and millions of citizens and soldiers around the world? 1114 01:00:44,597 --> 01:00:46,223 To answer the Nazis, 1115 01:00:46,307 --> 01:00:49,977 the American government turned to Hollywood, California, 1116 01:00:50,061 --> 01:00:52,563 and to a cocky little immigrant from Sicily 1117 01:00:52,647 --> 01:00:53,856 named Frank Capra. 1118 01:00:53,939 --> 01:00:55,941 The United States of America, 1119 01:00:56,025 --> 01:00:59,111 when the war broke out, found itself the only country 1120 01:00:59,195 --> 01:01:01,615 that didn't have a big propaganda machine. 1121 01:01:01,698 --> 01:01:04,618 So, we had to get organised and get propaganda. 1122 01:01:04,701 --> 01:01:08,121 As soon as the war starts, Capra wants to join up. 1123 01:01:08,205 --> 01:01:09,915 He wants to get involved. 1124 01:01:09,998 --> 01:01:11,416 He wants to make films. 1125 01:01:12,084 --> 01:01:15,128 American soldiers mobilised for war, 1126 01:01:15,212 --> 01:01:17,756 and with them, Major Frank Capra. 1127 01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:19,174 Forty-five years old, 1128 01:01:19,257 --> 01:01:22,219 salary, $250 a month. 1129 01:01:22,928 --> 01:01:25,389 Capra reports directly to Chief of Staff, 1130 01:01:25,472 --> 01:01:27,140 General George C. Marshall. 1131 01:01:27,224 --> 01:01:30,102 When you first called on General Marshall at the Pentagon, 1132 01:01:30,185 --> 01:01:32,521 what did he tell you he wanted you to do? 1133 01:01:32,604 --> 01:01:34,815 He called me in, and then, 1134 01:01:34,898 --> 01:01:39,653 he said, "We have an enormous problem". 1135 01:01:39,736 --> 01:01:43,198 He said, "We know that if you shoot an American, 1136 01:01:43,281 --> 01:01:44,449 "he'll shoot back". 1137 01:01:44,533 --> 01:01:47,619 But can he take this being away from home? 1138 01:01:47,703 --> 01:01:49,580 Can he take this discipline? 1139 01:01:49,664 --> 01:01:50,790 And his answer? 1140 01:01:50,873 --> 01:01:53,042 "In my opinion, 1141 01:01:53,126 --> 01:01:57,171 "he can if we tell him what he's fighting about." 1142 01:01:57,255 --> 01:01:59,507 So, General Marshall was asking you in effect 1143 01:01:59,590 --> 01:02:01,801 to give the boys a reason to fight. 1144 01:02:01,884 --> 01:02:05,888 Give the boys a reason to fight and don't lie. 1145 01:02:05,972 --> 01:02:08,558 But your films were comedies in Hollywood. 1146 01:02:08,641 --> 01:02:11,686 He wanted somebody to reach the people. 1147 01:02:11,769 --> 01:02:13,604 Was able to reach the people, 1148 01:02:13,688 --> 01:02:16,399 and I had been able to reach the people in my films, 1149 01:02:16,482 --> 01:02:19,110 and make them laugh and cry, make them like things. 1150 01:02:19,193 --> 01:02:22,155 Here, I got the greatest heroes, the greatest villains 1151 01:02:22,238 --> 01:02:24,240 on the world stage. 1152 01:02:25,575 --> 01:02:27,994 Real. Not actors. Real. 1153 01:02:38,714 --> 01:02:42,259 In Italy, they had a shorter word. "Fascism." 1154 01:02:44,178 --> 01:02:47,097 In Japan, they had lots of names for it. 1155 01:02:47,181 --> 01:02:49,350 A new era of enlightenment. 1156 01:02:49,433 --> 01:02:52,269 Capra says he's starting the war in Hollywood. 1157 01:02:52,353 --> 01:02:54,521 The Why We Fight films are just extraordinary. 1158 01:02:54,605 --> 01:02:58,067 They're films that involve collage, animation, 1159 01:02:58,150 --> 01:03:02,738 multiple voices telling the stories, found footage. 1160 01:03:02,821 --> 01:03:06,241 They almost seem like avant-garde films to us now. 1161 01:03:07,034 --> 01:03:09,787 They say trouble always comes in threes. 1162 01:03:10,746 --> 01:03:13,499 Take a good close look at this trio. 1163 01:03:13,582 --> 01:03:15,751 Remember these faces. 1164 01:03:17,336 --> 01:03:18,712 Remember them well. 1165 01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:21,758 If you ever meet them, don't hesitate. 1166 01:03:22,676 --> 01:03:25,345 The films are simplistic in some ways. 1167 01:03:25,428 --> 01:03:27,722 The way they develop ideas of good and bad. 1168 01:03:27,806 --> 01:03:32,018 But they're also sophisticated, not just aesthetically, 1169 01:03:32,102 --> 01:03:34,145 but in how they have to talk about 1170 01:03:34,229 --> 01:03:36,106 the realities of the world. 1171 01:03:36,189 --> 01:03:39,484 Here was the Italy that Mussolini took over in 1922. 1172 01:03:39,567 --> 01:03:42,278 And almost his first act was to tell the Italians 1173 01:03:42,362 --> 01:03:44,739 they were the rightful owners of Corsica, 1174 01:03:45,365 --> 01:03:47,951 Nice, Savoie, 1175 01:03:48,034 --> 01:03:51,079 Albania, Tunisia, 1176 01:03:51,162 --> 01:03:55,166 Ethiopia, and a land corridor linking it with Libya. 1177 01:03:55,250 --> 01:03:57,794 He's making myths about the war in these war films. 1178 01:03:57,877 --> 01:03:59,421 There's no question about that. 1179 01:03:59,504 --> 01:04:03,216 And he creates a history that goes back to Buddha, 1180 01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:05,719 Muhammad, which is extraordinary to think about, 1181 01:04:05,802 --> 01:04:07,679 Christ, Jefferson. 1182 01:04:07,762 --> 01:04:08,764 Moses. 1183 01:04:11,851 --> 01:04:13,352 Muhammad. 1184 01:04:15,271 --> 01:04:16,272 Confucius. 1185 01:04:21,068 --> 01:04:22,111 Christ. 1186 01:04:25,531 --> 01:04:27,742 All believe that in the sight of God, 1187 01:04:27,825 --> 01:04:29,910 all men were created equal. 1188 01:04:29,994 --> 01:04:33,581 And from that, there developed a spirit among men and nations 1189 01:04:33,664 --> 01:04:36,709 which is best expressed in our own Declaration of Freedom. 1190 01:04:36,792 --> 01:04:39,962 {\an8}So, he creates a kind of global myth 1191 01:04:40,046 --> 01:04:43,841 {\an8}that is, we ourselves come from a world history 1192 01:04:43,924 --> 01:04:47,637 {\an8}that leads to a particular form of democracy 1193 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,096 {\an8}that now is at risk. 1194 01:04:49,180 --> 01:04:52,058 {\an8}It's certainly true that his films before that 1195 01:04:52,141 --> 01:04:55,646 {\an8}had engaged in a kind of mythic practice. 1196 01:04:55,729 --> 01:04:58,565 {\an8}That government of the people, 1197 01:04:58,649 --> 01:05:02,486 {\an8}by the people, for the people 1198 01:05:02,569 --> 01:05:04,946 {\an8}shall not perish from the Earth. 1199 01:05:18,835 --> 01:05:20,837 Not until we showed him some of the stuff 1200 01:05:20,921 --> 01:05:23,840 that we got at Dachau, that George Stevens photographed, 1201 01:05:23,924 --> 01:05:28,428 did it actually impinge itself on the mind, 1202 01:05:28,512 --> 01:05:31,348 the horror of this whole thing. 1203 01:05:32,933 --> 01:05:36,520 It left me just speechless, 1204 01:05:37,688 --> 01:05:40,107 colourless, bloodless. 1205 01:05:41,984 --> 01:05:45,530 I couldn't possibly believe that there was 1206 01:05:45,613 --> 01:05:49,283 that kind of a savagery in the world, you see? 1207 01:05:50,368 --> 01:05:51,452 Between men. 1208 01:05:52,704 --> 01:05:56,249 Men, the highest of all the animals. 1209 01:05:56,332 --> 01:06:00,295 Man... It's man who created God 1210 01:06:00,378 --> 01:06:02,714 and man who created all kinds of things. 1211 01:06:03,464 --> 01:06:08,136 {\an8}To end up here in a pile of bones, burned. 1212 01:06:08,219 --> 01:06:11,222 {\an8}So, that was a terrible shock. 1213 01:06:15,518 --> 01:06:17,937 The question of the goodness of people, 1214 01:06:18,021 --> 01:06:21,024 the question of, "What is humanity? 1215 01:06:21,107 --> 01:06:25,737 "What can we hold on to and believe in?" was a challenge 1216 01:06:25,820 --> 01:06:29,742 after he did the job he did in World War II. 1217 01:06:29,825 --> 01:06:33,662 He handled a great many atrocity photos. 1218 01:06:33,746 --> 01:06:37,249 The atrocity photos were part of what he was doing, 1219 01:06:37,333 --> 01:06:39,543 and he saw them, he had to look at them, 1220 01:06:39,626 --> 01:06:43,172 handle them every day, and it upset him, 1221 01:06:43,255 --> 01:06:47,885 it changed him, and it damaged his faith in human beings. 1222 01:06:47,968 --> 01:06:51,180 I think, in fact, he was one of those veterans, 1223 01:06:51,263 --> 01:06:53,557 even though he didn't see battle, 1224 01:06:53,641 --> 01:06:55,684 who came back and perhaps 1225 01:06:55,768 --> 01:06:59,188 had a great deal of trouble adjusting. 1226 01:06:59,271 --> 01:07:03,317 I was away almost six years from camera. 1227 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:07,488 We came back to Hollywood and we didn't know anybody. 1228 01:07:09,698 --> 01:07:12,409 People introduced me to somebody and they'd say, 1229 01:07:12,493 --> 01:07:13,869 "Frank who?" 1230 01:07:13,952 --> 01:07:17,165 Capra comes back after the war, ready to make films. 1231 01:07:17,248 --> 01:07:19,084 He certainly wants to work. 1232 01:07:19,167 --> 01:07:21,670 He understands that the future of film production 1233 01:07:21,753 --> 01:07:24,839 might not be at the studios but might be more independent. 1234 01:07:25,632 --> 01:07:28,927 These were the three absolute titans, 1235 01:07:29,010 --> 01:07:32,222 titans of mid-century cinema, 1236 01:07:32,305 --> 01:07:36,142 George Stevens, William Wyler and Frank Capra, 1237 01:07:36,226 --> 01:07:38,812 to form "Liberty Films". 1238 01:07:38,895 --> 01:07:42,565 That name is not chosen by accident. 1239 01:07:42,649 --> 01:07:44,234 That's what they thought they had 1240 01:07:44,317 --> 01:07:47,404 was their liberty, and they had chafed under the studio system. 1241 01:07:47,487 --> 01:07:50,490 It's a very big deal, and there are tonnes of articles about it 1242 01:07:50,573 --> 01:07:53,618 in Time magazine, and Newsweek, and all the newspapers. 1243 01:07:53,702 --> 01:07:56,246 But, of course, Capra was the only one who was able 1244 01:07:56,329 --> 01:07:58,707 to make films for Liberty, the production company. 1245 01:07:58,790 --> 01:08:01,418 Wyler and Stevens were both committed to other studios, 1246 01:08:01,501 --> 01:08:04,672 and couldn't make any films for the company they had formed. 1247 01:08:04,755 --> 01:08:07,091 This is a brilliant move. 1248 01:08:07,174 --> 01:08:10,177 This is a really smart business move. 1249 01:08:10,261 --> 01:08:11,846 Three of the biggest 1250 01:08:11,929 --> 01:08:15,891 and best directors of America get together. 1251 01:08:15,975 --> 01:08:19,020 They're going to make some movies they want to make 1252 01:08:19,103 --> 01:08:21,230 the way they want to make them, 1253 01:08:21,314 --> 01:08:23,440 and distribute them through Paramount. 1254 01:08:24,233 --> 01:08:25,734 What could go wrong? 1255 01:08:26,569 --> 01:08:29,447 What could go wrong? Everything, obviously. 1256 01:08:36,453 --> 01:08:39,915 Why is It's a Wonderful Life your favourite film? 1257 01:08:39,998 --> 01:08:42,083 I keep reading that. 1258 01:08:42,167 --> 01:08:44,252 Why do you like that the best? 1259 01:08:44,337 --> 01:08:46,422 Because I think it expresses 1260 01:08:46,505 --> 01:08:48,716 what I've been trying to say in the other films 1261 01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:50,802 better than the other films. 1262 01:08:51,386 --> 01:08:53,096 I don't know how many of you here 1263 01:08:53,180 --> 01:08:55,724 have seen It's a Wonderful Life. 1264 01:08:55,807 --> 01:08:57,642 How many of you have seen it? 1265 01:09:02,606 --> 01:09:03,981 Thank you very much. 1266 01:09:04,066 --> 01:09:07,026 But it is one of those films that... 1267 01:09:08,654 --> 01:09:10,905 I break down every time I see it, 1268 01:09:10,989 --> 01:09:12,615 and I made the goddamn thing. 1269 01:09:13,659 --> 01:09:16,494 It's just one of those things that 1270 01:09:16,578 --> 01:09:20,999 that gets you inside, and shows you what you can be, 1271 01:09:21,083 --> 01:09:23,334 what we can do, 1272 01:09:24,168 --> 01:09:26,046 and how precious life is, 1273 01:09:27,297 --> 01:09:29,423 and how wonderful life is. 1274 01:09:31,968 --> 01:09:33,971 {\an8}Hello, Bedford Falls! 1275 01:09:36,848 --> 01:09:38,601 Merry Christmas! 1276 01:09:38,685 --> 01:09:40,477 -Merry Christmas! -Merry Christmas! 1277 01:09:40,561 --> 01:09:42,187 Merry Christmas, George! 1278 01:09:42,271 --> 01:09:45,232 Merry Christmas, movie house! 1279 01:09:45,316 --> 01:09:47,819 {\an8}Merry Christmas, Emporium! 1280 01:09:48,902 --> 01:09:52,573 {\an8}Merry Christmas, you wonderful old Building & Loan! 1281 01:09:58,204 --> 01:10:00,540 Merry Christmas, Mr Potter! 1282 01:10:00,623 --> 01:10:03,167 Happy New Year to you, in jail! 1283 01:10:03,251 --> 01:10:05,461 Go on home. They're waiting for you. 1284 01:10:05,545 --> 01:10:07,213 When people talk about Capra's films, 1285 01:10:07,296 --> 01:10:09,716 they always remember the optimistic side, 1286 01:10:09,799 --> 01:10:13,428 the happy endings, the guy getting the girl, 1287 01:10:13,511 --> 01:10:14,595 that kind of thing. 1288 01:10:14,679 --> 01:10:18,683 But they forget, or tend not to think about, the darker side. 1289 01:10:18,766 --> 01:10:22,603 The comedy is born from pain and anguish. 1290 01:10:22,687 --> 01:10:24,064 That's where it comes from. 1291 01:10:24,148 --> 01:10:26,608 And I think that's one of the strongest qualities 1292 01:10:26,692 --> 01:10:28,152 of It's a Wonderful Life. 1293 01:10:28,235 --> 01:10:31,864 A lot of his films, below the surface of the films, 1294 01:10:31,947 --> 01:10:34,450 have anger, resentment and violence, 1295 01:10:34,533 --> 01:10:37,494 and we see this, too, in Mr Smith goes to Washington, 1296 01:10:37,578 --> 01:10:39,038 when he beats up the reporters 1297 01:10:39,121 --> 01:10:41,457 who have written these terrible things about him. 1298 01:10:41,540 --> 01:10:44,168 There's always an undertone of violence. 1299 01:10:44,251 --> 01:10:47,338 There's always an undertone that things might get out of control. 1300 01:10:47,421 --> 01:10:50,799 There's an undertone that things can be scary really fast. 1301 01:10:52,217 --> 01:10:53,260 Get over there. 1302 01:10:54,678 --> 01:10:56,597 See how you're gonna like it this time. 1303 01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,182 See what good your money will do 1304 01:10:58,265 --> 01:11:00,768 when you're six feet under. Never thought of that, did you? 1305 01:11:00,851 --> 01:11:03,646 No. All you ever thought of was pinching pennies, 1306 01:11:03,729 --> 01:11:04,980 you money-grabbing hick! 1307 01:11:05,064 --> 01:11:08,108 Virtually every character is driven to madness 1308 01:11:08,192 --> 01:11:10,612 or every main character is driven to madness, 1309 01:11:10,695 --> 01:11:12,447 or to the brink of suicide. 1310 01:11:12,530 --> 01:11:16,117 And there's real rage there in those moments. 1311 01:11:17,994 --> 01:11:20,413 I love the roller-coaster feeling 1312 01:11:20,497 --> 01:11:21,790 of his films, emotionally. 1313 01:11:21,873 --> 01:11:23,875 The highs and the lows. One critic said 1314 01:11:23,958 --> 01:11:25,835 it's like the feeling of life being lived. 1315 01:11:25,919 --> 01:11:27,879 Every day, there's a mixture of comedy and drama, 1316 01:11:27,962 --> 01:11:29,631 and highs and lows. 1317 01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:34,052 -Let go! -What's the matter with you? 1318 01:11:34,135 --> 01:11:36,554 I'm not fit to be a Senator! I'm not fit to live! 1319 01:11:37,013 --> 01:11:38,431 Expel me! 1320 01:11:38,515 --> 01:11:40,350 With a film like It's a Wonderful Life, 1321 01:11:40,433 --> 01:11:43,103 you wonder how much of Capra's own experience 1322 01:11:43,186 --> 01:11:46,272 is in the bitterness we see in George, 1323 01:11:46,356 --> 01:11:48,316 the depression we see in George, 1324 01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,361 the general tiredness that we see in George. 1325 01:11:57,118 --> 01:12:01,288 There's the pharmacist who beats up the young boy. 1326 01:12:01,372 --> 01:12:03,916 There are the people who try to destroy the bank. 1327 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,211 There are all kinds of scary things going on in that film 1328 01:12:07,294 --> 01:12:08,838 that kind of strike us as... 1329 01:12:08,921 --> 01:12:11,674 That's not what we think of as going on in a Capra film. 1330 01:12:16,387 --> 01:12:20,016 There is a lot of suicide in Capra, 1331 01:12:20,099 --> 01:12:24,270 or near-suicide, attempted suicide, planned suicide, 1332 01:12:24,353 --> 01:12:27,273 more than you might think at first. 1333 01:12:27,356 --> 01:12:30,860 So, that particular theme in It's a Wonderful Life 1334 01:12:30,943 --> 01:12:33,863 is perhaps not surprising. 1335 01:12:33,946 --> 01:12:38,993 But Capra said later that what appealed to him about this theme 1336 01:12:39,076 --> 01:12:42,413 was that it was saying to people, 1337 01:12:42,496 --> 01:12:45,375 "No, you are not a failure". 1338 01:12:54,676 --> 01:12:55,844 Help! 1339 01:12:57,054 --> 01:12:59,890 Help! Help! 1340 01:12:59,973 --> 01:13:04,728 So, here is Capra, the grand success, 1341 01:13:04,811 --> 01:13:08,607 kind of reaching back toward Americans 1342 01:13:08,690 --> 01:13:13,904 who maybe hadn't done so hot in the past 15 or 20 years, 1343 01:13:13,987 --> 01:13:18,408 and telling them, "You're still in this country. 1344 01:13:18,492 --> 01:13:19,743 "I'm going to show you 1345 01:13:19,826 --> 01:13:22,537 "the things that are still wonderful about this country 1346 01:13:22,621 --> 01:13:24,998 "and about your life here." 1347 01:13:25,082 --> 01:13:30,421 I sincerely believe that is what Capra was after with this film. 1348 01:13:31,506 --> 01:13:35,426 We tend to mythologise the film as something of a bomb. 1349 01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:36,803 It certainly wasn't. 1350 01:13:36,886 --> 01:13:38,388 It's a Wonderful Life does well. 1351 01:13:38,471 --> 01:13:41,015 The problem is it cost so much to make. 1352 01:13:41,099 --> 01:13:43,893 It's something of a disaster for the company. 1353 01:13:43,977 --> 01:13:47,397 Now, clearly, what's really worse for the company 1354 01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:49,816 is that two-thirds of the people who formed it 1355 01:13:49,899 --> 01:13:51,067 can't make films for it 1356 01:13:51,150 --> 01:13:54,278 because they're contractually committed to other studios. 1357 01:13:54,362 --> 01:13:56,698 So, Liberty Films crashes and burns. 1358 01:13:56,781 --> 01:13:59,117 And the men who formed it, 1359 01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,412 Capra, Wyler and Stevens, sell it 1360 01:14:02,495 --> 01:14:04,747 and all the men go their separate ways, 1361 01:14:04,831 --> 01:14:06,582 and Capra signs on with Paramount, 1362 01:14:06,666 --> 01:14:09,627 which really is a death knell. 1363 01:14:09,711 --> 01:14:11,254 Be careful what you wish for. 1364 01:14:11,337 --> 01:14:12,880 It's been tried many times. 1365 01:14:12,964 --> 01:14:15,049 United Artists, Directors Company, 1366 01:14:15,133 --> 01:14:16,634 Liberty Films. 1367 01:14:16,718 --> 01:14:19,263 It almost never works. That's telling you something. 1368 01:14:19,346 --> 01:14:22,141 Great directors have a tremendous amount of freedom, 1369 01:14:22,224 --> 01:14:25,144 all the freedom they want in the world, right? 1370 01:14:25,227 --> 01:14:28,188 What they want is to have financial support, 1371 01:14:28,272 --> 01:14:31,775 and marketing support, and structural support. 1372 01:14:32,609 --> 01:14:36,155 Nobody in my job who's any good at my job 1373 01:14:36,238 --> 01:14:38,991 is gonna tell a great director where to place the camera. 1374 01:14:40,117 --> 01:14:43,370 So, they may have to lift budgets 1375 01:14:43,454 --> 01:14:46,373 and deal with economic realities. 1376 01:14:46,457 --> 01:14:48,834 But that's the reality that keeps things going. 1377 01:14:48,917 --> 01:14:51,795 I think, in terms of the emotional investment 1378 01:14:51,879 --> 01:14:53,964 that Frank Capra had made in this film, 1379 01:14:54,048 --> 01:14:58,469 really nothing but a big hit would have satisfied him anyway. 1380 01:14:58,552 --> 01:15:00,346 It was his comeback. 1381 01:15:00,429 --> 01:15:02,514 So, this movie, I think, 1382 01:15:02,598 --> 01:15:05,977 was in no small measure about saying to Hollywood, 1383 01:15:06,061 --> 01:15:10,315 "Hey, I've still got it. I've still got that touch 1384 01:15:10,398 --> 01:15:15,487 "that brings in audiences and moves people." 1385 01:15:15,570 --> 01:15:20,450 And when It's a Wonderful Life did that, 1386 01:15:20,533 --> 01:15:26,164 but not to a great world-shaking extent, 1387 01:15:26,247 --> 01:15:29,709 I think that was very hard on Frank Capra. 1388 01:15:33,838 --> 01:15:36,049 I have to confess that 1389 01:15:36,132 --> 01:15:38,677 the pattern of Frank Capra's career 1390 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:43,640 after It's a Wonderful Life is a little mysterious to me. 1391 01:15:43,723 --> 01:15:46,434 This was an older Frank Capra. 1392 01:15:46,518 --> 01:15:48,728 And somehow, 1393 01:15:48,812 --> 01:15:53,901 he couldn't really get back up off the mat. 1394 01:16:07,540 --> 01:16:08,791 Isn't that nice? 1395 01:16:08,874 --> 01:16:10,668 {\an8}I must say, it's right neighbourly of you people 1396 01:16:10,751 --> 01:16:12,712 {\an8}who have seen the preview of Here Comes the Groom 1397 01:16:12,795 --> 01:16:14,171 {\an8}to write a wireless and apprise us 1398 01:16:14,255 --> 01:16:15,881 of your reactions to this film. 1399 01:16:16,674 --> 01:16:17,717 If I may be immodest for a moment, 1400 01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,886 I must tell you in all candour the reactions have been good, 1401 01:16:20,970 --> 01:16:23,180 which is easy to understand because Paramount went out 1402 01:16:23,264 --> 01:16:25,182 and got the down-to-earth, homey type of story 1403 01:16:25,266 --> 01:16:27,184 that they've been searching so long for me. 1404 01:16:27,268 --> 01:16:30,021 They got a bang-up cast and a great director, Frank Capra, 1405 01:16:30,104 --> 01:16:31,397 at the helm, to direct the picture. 1406 01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:33,566 When Capra makes films for Paramount, 1407 01:16:33,649 --> 01:16:35,151 he makes them with big stars. 1408 01:16:35,234 --> 01:16:37,696 He makes a couple of films with Bing Crosby. 1409 01:16:37,779 --> 01:16:39,865 And there is a campaign to push those films. 1410 01:16:39,948 --> 01:16:42,743 They're a big deal and there's a lot of PR about the films. 1411 01:16:45,912 --> 01:16:49,583 But no one thinks of them once they come out 1412 01:16:49,666 --> 01:16:51,960 as anything but minor films. 1413 01:16:52,044 --> 01:16:55,422 These films, Riding High, Here Comes the Groom, 1414 01:16:55,505 --> 01:17:00,052 are Bing Crosby films that Capra happened to make. 1415 01:17:00,135 --> 01:17:02,554 As America recovered from the war, 1416 01:17:02,637 --> 01:17:05,974 the Capra-esque story of the individual 1417 01:17:06,058 --> 01:17:09,269 lost its urgency 1418 01:17:09,353 --> 01:17:13,774 in the sort of postwar complacency. 1419 01:17:13,857 --> 01:17:17,986 The feeling that America could take a breath 1420 01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:21,239 didn't really serve Capra as an artist. 1421 01:17:21,323 --> 01:17:25,453 He needed a fight. There were still fights to be fought. 1422 01:17:25,536 --> 01:17:27,830 He just didn't find one in the '50s. 1423 01:17:43,638 --> 01:17:45,390 During the McCarthy years, 1424 01:17:45,473 --> 01:17:47,266 the years of the Hollywood blacklist, 1425 01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:51,145 {\an8}paranoia was rampant, and the whole question arose 1426 01:17:51,229 --> 01:17:53,272 {\an8}of what it meant to be a patriot. 1427 01:17:54,190 --> 01:17:56,567 It's a 10-year period or more 1428 01:17:57,235 --> 01:18:01,864 when your politics can prevent you from having a job. 1429 01:18:01,948 --> 01:18:04,033 The films that were hailed in the '30s 1430 01:18:04,117 --> 01:18:06,661 were seen in a different light after the war. 1431 01:18:06,744 --> 01:18:09,330 And so, films like Mr Deeds and Mr Smith 1432 01:18:09,414 --> 01:18:12,292 were potentially risky things to look back on. 1433 01:18:17,006 --> 01:18:19,633 {\an8}Frank Capra was never blacklisted. 1434 01:18:19,717 --> 01:18:22,094 {\an8}What happened to Frank Capra was, 1435 01:18:22,177 --> 01:18:25,014 {\an8}during the Korean War, he wanted to serve, 1436 01:18:25,097 --> 01:18:28,684 but he was too old to serve in any capacity. 1437 01:18:28,767 --> 01:18:30,728 But there was a committee made, 1438 01:18:30,811 --> 01:18:33,105 Vista, I believe it was called. 1439 01:18:33,188 --> 01:18:35,399 It was a military service committee, 1440 01:18:35,482 --> 01:18:40,195 and he was denied clearance by that committee. 1441 01:18:41,572 --> 01:18:43,240 It was the biggest shock of his life 1442 01:18:43,324 --> 01:18:46,118 that he was basically accused of being disloyal to his country. 1443 01:18:46,201 --> 01:18:47,870 Some of the charges were ridiculous. 1444 01:18:47,953 --> 01:18:50,998 But the one charge that really was a problem for him was, 1445 01:18:51,081 --> 01:18:53,834 they said, "You worked with a lot of left-wing writers", 1446 01:18:53,917 --> 01:18:55,377 and that was true. 1447 01:18:55,461 --> 01:19:01,134 He did, of course, immediately mount his response to them, 1448 01:19:01,217 --> 01:19:03,345 and sent it to them. 1449 01:19:04,637 --> 01:19:06,681 He goes through each of the men accused 1450 01:19:06,765 --> 01:19:09,476 of being a leftist, of being a communist, 1451 01:19:09,559 --> 01:19:11,227 and he says, "I didn't know this", 1452 01:19:11,311 --> 01:19:13,897 or, "If I had known, I wouldn't have worked with them". 1453 01:19:14,773 --> 01:19:17,192 He wants to distance himself from them 1454 01:19:17,275 --> 01:19:18,943 as a means of protecting himself. 1455 01:19:19,819 --> 01:19:21,988 Different people reacted in different ways, 1456 01:19:22,072 --> 01:19:23,948 and he named names of people 1457 01:19:24,032 --> 01:19:26,076 and recklessly threw them around, 1458 01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:28,536 and this all added to the stigma 1459 01:19:28,620 --> 01:19:30,830 that was attached to those people. 1460 01:19:33,124 --> 01:19:34,918 I think this is a very difficult issue, 1461 01:19:35,001 --> 01:19:37,045 and this is a time when it's hard to know 1462 01:19:37,128 --> 01:19:38,963 who the good guys are at all 1463 01:19:39,047 --> 01:19:41,675 because there are these inflections. 1464 01:19:41,758 --> 01:19:43,218 We can name the bad guys. 1465 01:19:43,301 --> 01:19:45,554 We know the bad guys, the guys who name names, 1466 01:19:45,638 --> 01:19:49,183 the Elia Kazans and others who were happy to name names. 1467 01:19:49,266 --> 01:19:51,644 Clifford Odets and others like him. 1468 01:19:51,727 --> 01:19:54,438 What Capra did is probably certainly on that spectrum. 1469 01:19:58,192 --> 01:20:02,530 He was very hurt by this, and very upset. 1470 01:20:02,613 --> 01:20:04,991 He didn't talk about it, generally. 1471 01:20:05,074 --> 01:20:07,159 The country he had devoted so much to, 1472 01:20:07,243 --> 01:20:09,829 he'd served loyally in World War II 1473 01:20:09,912 --> 01:20:11,747 and sacrificed a lot for, 1474 01:20:11,831 --> 01:20:13,874 and here he was, accused of being disloyal. 1475 01:20:13,958 --> 01:20:15,751 It was the worst shock of his life, 1476 01:20:15,835 --> 01:20:18,004 and it's like being kicked in the teeth 1477 01:20:18,087 --> 01:20:19,171 by somebody you love. 1478 01:20:20,506 --> 01:20:21,549 So, he wound up being 1479 01:20:21,632 --> 01:20:23,509 very disappointed by the United States, 1480 01:20:23,592 --> 01:20:25,261 I guess, to put it mildly. 1481 01:20:27,388 --> 01:20:31,058 His career dwindled and died. 1482 01:20:31,142 --> 01:20:34,563 He becomes something of a gentleman farmer at this time, 1483 01:20:34,646 --> 01:20:37,274 raising his avocados in California. 1484 01:20:37,357 --> 01:20:39,776 He becomes a collector of rare books. 1485 01:20:39,860 --> 01:20:43,196 He owns the rights to films that he then sells. 1486 01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:44,865 He owned Roman Holiday, 1487 01:20:44,948 --> 01:20:47,951 which becomes a huge hit for William Wyler. 1488 01:20:48,035 --> 01:20:49,828 He does that kind of thing. 1489 01:20:54,082 --> 01:20:56,043 You know, if we want to understand 1490 01:20:56,126 --> 01:20:58,420 why Capra hoarded 1491 01:20:58,503 --> 01:21:02,549 so much praise and attention late in his life, 1492 01:21:02,632 --> 01:21:08,055 it's because there really was a long limbo period 1493 01:21:08,138 --> 01:21:10,849 of maybe even two decades 1494 01:21:10,932 --> 01:21:14,019 where this person barely existed 1495 01:21:14,102 --> 01:21:16,772 at the level that he had before. 1496 01:21:16,855 --> 01:21:19,859 He certainly did not exist at the level that he had before. 1497 01:21:20,568 --> 01:21:23,196 He was almost himself forgotten, 1498 01:21:23,696 --> 01:21:26,282 and he's part to blame for that, too, 1499 01:21:26,366 --> 01:21:30,495 because he didn't find out why he was relevant any more. 1500 01:21:30,578 --> 01:21:32,288 He didn't discover that. 1501 01:21:35,500 --> 01:21:38,336 One of your last movies, Pocketful of Miracles, 1502 01:21:38,419 --> 01:21:41,130 had tremendous trade reviews, 1503 01:21:41,214 --> 01:21:43,007 and yet, was a box office failure. 1504 01:21:43,091 --> 01:21:44,842 How hard did this hit you? 1505 01:21:47,053 --> 01:21:48,638 {\an8}Surprisingly badly. 1506 01:21:48,721 --> 01:21:50,640 {\an8}It was almost like another Lost Horizon, 1507 01:21:50,723 --> 01:21:52,684 {\an8}only I found no way to cure it. 1508 01:21:54,435 --> 01:21:55,728 I can't... 1509 01:21:55,812 --> 01:21:58,272 That one eludes me completely. 1510 01:21:58,356 --> 01:22:01,484 His career has an extraordinary decline. 1511 01:22:02,193 --> 01:22:06,615 Later in his life, certainly, he has reason to be bitter. 1512 01:22:06,699 --> 01:22:08,575 And his career didn't go the way 1513 01:22:08,659 --> 01:22:11,161 he had hoped it would after the war. 1514 01:22:11,245 --> 01:22:14,498 But I think what really struck me and took me aback was, 1515 01:22:14,581 --> 01:22:16,583 at the beginning of McBride's book, 1516 01:22:16,667 --> 01:22:19,545 he quotes Capra as railing against the Jews 1517 01:22:19,628 --> 01:22:21,588 who had ruined his career. 1518 01:22:21,672 --> 01:22:24,008 You'd ask him about any ethnic group, 1519 01:22:24,091 --> 01:22:26,260 he would malign in stereotypical terms, 1520 01:22:26,343 --> 01:22:28,721 even his own people, the Italian-Americans. 1521 01:22:28,804 --> 01:22:32,891 And he unfortunately made antisemitic remarks 1522 01:22:32,975 --> 01:22:37,646 and anti-Black remarks, and anti-Mexican-American remarks, 1523 01:22:37,730 --> 01:22:40,316 anti-Native-American remarks, you name it. 1524 01:22:40,399 --> 01:22:42,526 And to see Capra, an immigrant, 1525 01:22:42,609 --> 01:22:45,529 talk about that is just really kind of heartbreaking. 1526 01:22:45,612 --> 01:22:49,241 I'm Jewish. I've heard this before. 1527 01:22:49,325 --> 01:22:50,659 You hear it all the time, 1528 01:22:50,743 --> 01:22:53,997 and it's very hard to see Capra doing the same thing. 1529 01:22:58,752 --> 01:23:00,295 In the late '60s, 1530 01:23:00,378 --> 01:23:02,380 not only is Capra looked on as quaint, 1531 01:23:02,464 --> 01:23:04,758 but he's also looked on as a status quo. 1532 01:23:04,841 --> 01:23:07,844 He represents the sort of Hollywood... 1533 01:23:08,303 --> 01:23:12,432 ...classical, glamorous studio filmmaking, 1534 01:23:12,515 --> 01:23:15,977 that this new generation of filmmakers, 1535 01:23:16,061 --> 01:23:18,938 Dennis Hopper, Friedkin, Altman, 1536 01:23:19,022 --> 01:23:21,733 the '70s era of filmmakers, 1537 01:23:21,816 --> 01:23:25,362 regarded with a little bit of cynicism. 1538 01:23:25,445 --> 01:23:27,906 It's funny. It becomes a Capra movie again. 1539 01:23:27,989 --> 01:23:32,911 He's at this low point, "I'm forgotten". 1540 01:23:32,994 --> 01:23:35,121 "No one remembers my movies." 1541 01:23:35,205 --> 01:23:37,123 "They're looked on as corny." 1542 01:23:37,207 --> 01:23:40,002 So, what does Capra do? 1543 01:23:40,086 --> 01:23:41,587 He writes a book. 1544 01:23:41,671 --> 01:23:46,133 And the autobiography is a phenomenal success. 1545 01:23:46,217 --> 01:23:47,677 And he was back. 1546 01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:54,225 Frank Capra hasn't made a feature film since 1961. 1547 01:23:54,308 --> 01:23:56,894 But when he appears before a group of students, 1548 01:23:56,977 --> 01:23:58,145 many of whom weren't born 1549 01:23:58,229 --> 01:23:59,814 when his greatest films were being made, 1550 01:23:59,897 --> 01:24:02,233 he is greeted with applause. 1551 01:24:02,316 --> 01:24:05,194 He went on 125 college campuses, 1552 01:24:05,277 --> 01:24:07,196 and he went around the world 1553 01:24:07,279 --> 01:24:08,698 for the US government again. 1554 01:24:08,781 --> 01:24:10,074 Ironically, they asked him 1555 01:24:10,157 --> 01:24:12,618 to promote Americanism around the world, 1556 01:24:12,702 --> 01:24:15,621 and for the State Department. He was very happy to do that. 1557 01:24:15,705 --> 01:24:19,500 As I found out, the book is like a novel about Hollywood. 1558 01:24:19,583 --> 01:24:22,086 It's a rather beguiling novel, somewhat disturbing, 1559 01:24:22,169 --> 01:24:24,588 but often very charming. 1560 01:24:24,672 --> 01:24:27,634 But it's almost completely fictitious. 1561 01:24:28,343 --> 01:24:31,430 The memoir Capra writes is wonderful. 1562 01:24:31,513 --> 01:24:33,015 But when you read the book now, 1563 01:24:33,098 --> 01:24:35,934 it's upsetting in some ways because the way he takes credit 1564 01:24:36,018 --> 01:24:38,603 for everything he ever did, every script he ever wrote, 1565 01:24:38,687 --> 01:24:40,814 every film he ever made, it all comes from him. 1566 01:24:40,897 --> 01:24:42,441 It all springs from his brow. 1567 01:24:42,524 --> 01:24:44,818 Now, I think we'd take this with a grain of salt. 1568 01:24:44,901 --> 01:24:46,570 We know it's not how films are made. 1569 01:24:46,653 --> 01:24:49,489 He was a storyteller and a mythmaker. 1570 01:24:49,573 --> 01:24:53,160 And if you're a mythmaker, 1571 01:24:53,243 --> 01:24:56,913 what better subject to make a myth about than yourself? 1572 01:24:56,997 --> 01:24:58,915 It's kind of an American story, that is, 1573 01:24:58,999 --> 01:25:00,834 the immigrant who starts with nothing, 1574 01:25:00,917 --> 01:25:03,211 comes from nowhere, and makes it big. 1575 01:25:03,295 --> 01:25:06,423 But for him, it really does resurrect his career. 1576 01:25:06,506 --> 01:25:08,008 It gives him a second act. 1577 01:25:08,091 --> 01:25:11,178 He had been, not forgotten, but dismissed, 1578 01:25:11,261 --> 01:25:13,264 and the book, which is a bestseller, 1579 01:25:13,348 --> 01:25:16,934 really does make him a figure in public life. 1580 01:25:22,440 --> 01:25:24,650 America's a melting pot. 1581 01:25:24,734 --> 01:25:26,903 Well, he's part of the melt, 1582 01:25:26,986 --> 01:25:32,325 and he comes in and he learns what it is to be an American, 1583 01:25:32,408 --> 01:25:34,160 or at least what we think it is. 1584 01:25:34,243 --> 01:25:37,747 And then, he contributes to that definition. 1585 01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:41,584 He narratises it, makes it a great story 1586 01:25:41,668 --> 01:25:43,670 for us to go and enjoy, 1587 01:25:43,753 --> 01:25:45,838 convinces us it's true. 1588 01:25:45,922 --> 01:25:48,758 Also, that's propaganda, I guess. 1589 01:25:48,841 --> 01:25:51,928 But he has a huge legacy 1590 01:25:52,011 --> 01:25:54,555 about what it is to be an American, 1591 01:25:54,639 --> 01:25:57,350 which is to come from another place 1592 01:25:57,433 --> 01:26:00,145 and contribute to the definition of it. 1593 01:26:00,229 --> 01:26:02,690 Based on what you thought it was going to be, 1594 01:26:02,773 --> 01:26:05,401 or everybody believed it was going to be, 1595 01:26:05,484 --> 01:26:08,195 mixed in with what it really is, 1596 01:26:08,278 --> 01:26:11,073 all put in there with a little bit of ugly, 1597 01:26:11,156 --> 01:26:13,993 a little bit of sad, a little bit of tragic, 1598 01:26:14,076 --> 01:26:16,453 a little bit of corrupt, a little bit of whatever, 1599 01:26:16,537 --> 01:26:19,289 but ultimately coming out and saying, 1600 01:26:19,373 --> 01:26:22,876 "It's a victory, we're going to keep going". 1601 01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,296 The American value is, "You can do it". 1602 01:26:26,380 --> 01:26:27,965 That's the American value. 1603 01:26:28,048 --> 01:26:31,260 If you want something, you can go for it, 1604 01:26:31,343 --> 01:26:33,178 and it's not going to be easy. 1605 01:26:33,262 --> 01:26:35,514 That is what America should be. 1606 01:26:37,766 --> 01:26:40,686 I guess he is an embodiment of the American Dream, 1607 01:26:40,769 --> 01:26:43,272 if we believe that exists in the first place. 1608 01:26:43,355 --> 01:26:45,733 Certainly, he would have it that was the case, 1609 01:26:45,816 --> 01:26:48,570 that anyone could come here and make it big. 1610 01:26:48,653 --> 01:26:51,323 I think that's the mark of his conservatism in some ways. 1611 01:26:51,406 --> 01:26:53,908 He does believe you should do it on your own. 1612 01:26:53,992 --> 01:26:56,578 So, in that sense, the American Dream 1613 01:26:56,661 --> 01:26:58,747 is perverse, reactionary, 1614 01:26:58,830 --> 01:27:02,500 and impossible for most people to ever attain, 1615 01:27:02,584 --> 01:27:04,836 and probably was not even true in Capra's case. 1616 01:27:04,919 --> 01:27:06,713 Even though his drive was unusual, 1617 01:27:06,796 --> 01:27:09,466 he had to have an awful lot of help, 1618 01:27:09,549 --> 01:27:13,470 a lot of luck, and worked with all the right people. 1619 01:27:13,553 --> 01:27:15,847 So, it embodies the American Dream. 1620 01:27:15,930 --> 01:27:18,933 The person who made Frank Capra who he was... 1621 01:27:19,017 --> 01:27:21,311 We wouldn't be sitting here talking about Frank Capra 1622 01:27:21,394 --> 01:27:23,688 if it weren't for a woman named Jean McDaniel, 1623 01:27:23,772 --> 01:27:26,191 who was an Irish-American schoolteacher. 1624 01:27:26,274 --> 01:27:28,526 She was Frank Capra's champion. 1625 01:27:28,610 --> 01:27:31,905 The parents wanted to take Frank out of school in fifth grade 1626 01:27:31,988 --> 01:27:33,866 and make him go to work in a brickyard 1627 01:27:33,949 --> 01:27:35,201 like his brother, Tony. 1628 01:27:35,284 --> 01:27:37,828 And she said she raised the money from the PTA 1629 01:27:37,912 --> 01:27:40,748 to pay his parents what Frank would've earned in the brickyard 1630 01:27:40,831 --> 01:27:42,124 if he would stay in school. 1631 01:27:42,208 --> 01:27:44,752 So, if it hadn't been for Jean McDaniel, 1632 01:27:44,835 --> 01:27:47,338 we never would have heard of Frank Capra. 1633 01:27:49,507 --> 01:27:53,928 There's so much complexity here in a man's life. 1634 01:27:54,011 --> 01:27:57,723 There's so much complexity in the films he makes. 1635 01:27:57,807 --> 01:27:59,975 So, it is very hard 1636 01:28:00,059 --> 01:28:04,188 to make a simple idea about Frank. 1637 01:28:05,231 --> 01:28:10,319 Some people only want to think of them as politics. 1638 01:28:10,403 --> 01:28:12,989 Some only want to think of them 1639 01:28:13,072 --> 01:28:17,368 as optimistic, sentimental pap. 1640 01:28:17,451 --> 01:28:20,956 Or they want to think of it as an American immigrant story, 1641 01:28:21,039 --> 01:28:24,042 or definition of American history. 1642 01:28:24,126 --> 01:28:26,753 And all of these things are in there. 1643 01:28:28,255 --> 01:28:30,507 I think Frank Capra was always 1644 01:28:30,590 --> 01:28:35,470 much more than his reputation, say, in the 1930s. 1645 01:28:35,554 --> 01:28:40,767 He's more than the maker of It's a Wonderful Life. 1646 01:28:40,851 --> 01:28:46,273 And he's also more than some of the beatings 1647 01:28:46,356 --> 01:28:48,734 that his reputation has taken. 1648 01:28:48,817 --> 01:28:53,238 What's going to remain essential forever is the movies. 1649 01:28:53,321 --> 01:28:54,948 {\an8}It does not surprise me 1650 01:28:55,032 --> 01:28:58,118 {\an8}that there is a resurgence of interest in Capra right now 1651 01:28:58,201 --> 01:29:00,579 because this country is going through 1652 01:29:00,662 --> 01:29:02,831 terrible, terrible turmoil. 1653 01:29:02,914 --> 01:29:05,542 And like any great myth, 1654 01:29:05,625 --> 01:29:09,797 Capra's movies, on the spiritual-communal level, 1655 01:29:09,881 --> 01:29:14,719 give us a framework to maintain that kind of faith 1656 01:29:14,802 --> 01:29:17,638 {\an8}in a way that isn't ludicrous, 1657 01:29:17,722 --> 01:29:20,558 {\an8}and, in fact, is life-saving. 1658 01:29:20,641 --> 01:29:24,270 They're reminders that humanity can be good. 1659 01:29:24,354 --> 01:29:26,022 We all have to hope. 1660 01:29:29,150 --> 01:29:33,112 These movies are so delightful, you just have to watch them. 1661 01:29:33,196 --> 01:29:35,615 Why do we watch movies? Because they're delightful. 1662 01:29:35,698 --> 01:29:37,200 And his movies are delightful. 1663 01:29:37,283 --> 01:29:39,369 Forget the messages and all that kind of stuff. 1664 01:29:39,452 --> 01:29:40,453 They're so fun to watch, 1665 01:29:40,536 --> 01:29:42,288 you just have to watch these movies. 1666 01:29:42,372 --> 01:29:45,583 I don't want to live in a world where there's no hope, 1667 01:29:45,667 --> 01:29:49,170 where there's no sense that there could be a victory, 1668 01:29:49,253 --> 01:29:52,173 and if that's a silly idea and I'm crazy, 1669 01:29:52,256 --> 01:29:54,426 that's okay with me. I'm not... 1670 01:29:54,510 --> 01:29:57,012 The main thing is laughing. 1671 01:29:57,096 --> 01:29:59,598 If you want to ask me that question 1672 01:29:59,682 --> 01:30:02,059 all over again about Frank's legacy, 1673 01:30:02,142 --> 01:30:04,728 I'll just say, "Give me a laugh". 1674 01:30:04,812 --> 01:30:06,397 And he gave me a laugh. 1675 01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:09,775 If we don't do anything else but laugh, good. 1676 01:30:10,859 --> 01:30:12,528 That's all I'm here for, really, 1677 01:30:12,611 --> 01:30:16,156 to try and just tell you that 1678 01:30:17,825 --> 01:30:21,826 there's good in the world, and that it's wonderful. 1679 01:31:21,723 --> 01:31:24,409 Hey, I know the second verse there. 1680 01:31:24,528 --> 01:31:25,910 Yeah. 1681 01:32:15,224 --> 01:32:18,071 Do you mind if I take the third one? 131605

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