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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:49,183 What are you doing? 4 00:00:49,250 --> 00:00:50,551 Making sure it works. 5 00:00:50,618 --> 00:00:51,419 It better work. 6 00:00:51,485 --> 00:00:53,254 It's brand new. 7 00:00:53,321 --> 00:00:54,655 Where's the old camera? 8 00:00:54,722 --> 00:00:56,290 It's in the office. 9 00:00:56,357 --> 00:00:58,392 I'm downloading the last two interviews. 10 00:00:58,459 --> 00:01:00,328 I think we should stick with this one, though. 11 00:01:00,394 --> 00:01:02,130 It's got better quality and sound. 12 00:01:02,196 --> 00:01:03,397 Stop filming me, Sam. 13 00:01:03,464 --> 00:01:04,298 See. 14 00:01:04,365 --> 00:01:06,200 [laughs] Heard that perfectly. 15 00:01:12,906 --> 00:01:14,142 Seriously? 16 00:01:14,208 --> 00:01:14,908 [laughs] 17 00:01:14,975 --> 00:01:16,410 Come on, turn it off. 18 00:01:16,477 --> 00:01:17,611 I'm super hungry. 19 00:01:17,678 --> 00:01:18,379 You promised you'd make my crepes today. 20 00:01:18,446 --> 00:01:19,713 All right, all right. 21 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:22,216 Hey, I'm going to re-shoot the opening intro, OK? 22 00:01:22,283 --> 00:01:23,251 All right. 23 00:01:26,354 --> 00:01:27,054 Hi. 24 00:01:27,121 --> 00:01:28,522 My name is Sam Jenner. 25 00:01:28,589 --> 00:01:31,492 I'm a behavioral psychology student here in Miami, Florida. 26 00:01:31,559 --> 00:01:34,428 Through my studies, I discovered passion for serial killers, 27 00:01:34,495 --> 00:01:36,264 and that's what this documentary's about. 28 00:01:36,330 --> 00:01:38,332 It's actually trying to discover whether or not 29 00:01:38,399 --> 00:01:41,435 these killers have a sickness, or are they sick. 30 00:01:41,502 --> 00:01:42,336 So I hope you enjoy. 31 00:01:45,739 --> 00:01:47,107 The death walk. 32 00:01:47,175 --> 00:01:50,911 Some of the most notorious serial killers of all time. 33 00:01:50,978 --> 00:01:53,314 Each of them-- oh, shit. 34 00:01:53,381 --> 00:01:56,184 What's that word? 35 00:01:56,250 --> 00:01:57,618 The death wall. 36 00:01:57,685 --> 00:02:00,621 Some of the most notorious serial killers of all time. 37 00:02:00,688 --> 00:02:03,557 Each one of them unique in their own way. 38 00:02:03,624 --> 00:02:05,326 John Wayne Gacy, a.k.a. 39 00:02:05,393 --> 00:02:06,827 the clown killer. 40 00:02:06,894 --> 00:02:09,963 Responsible for the deaths of admitted 33 young boys and men. 41 00:02:10,030 --> 00:02:13,434 Buried most of them under his home in a crawl space. 42 00:02:13,501 --> 00:02:15,269 David Berkowitz, a.k.a. 43 00:02:15,336 --> 00:02:16,504 Son of Sam. 44 00:02:16,570 --> 00:02:19,473 Shot and killed six people, wounded seven. 45 00:02:19,540 --> 00:02:23,211 The Zodiac Killer, identity for certain unknown. 46 00:02:23,277 --> 00:02:25,513 Five deaths have been known. 47 00:02:25,579 --> 00:02:27,348 Dennis Lynn Rader, a.k.a. 48 00:02:27,415 --> 00:02:29,683 the BTK killer for his penchant of binding, 49 00:02:29,750 --> 00:02:31,719 torturing, and killing his victims. 50 00:02:31,785 --> 00:02:33,521 He, like the Zodiac Killer and Berkowitz, 51 00:02:33,587 --> 00:02:35,889 taunted police with letters. 52 00:02:35,956 --> 00:02:39,527 Then, of course, there was Ted Bundy, a.k.a.-- 53 00:02:39,593 --> 00:02:40,994 well actually, he had no nickname. 54 00:02:41,061 --> 00:02:43,631 But by far one of the most notorious killers of all time. 55 00:02:43,697 --> 00:02:45,599 He lead a murderous rampage across the country, 56 00:02:45,666 --> 00:02:48,269 including here in Florida, where he murdered several college 57 00:02:48,336 --> 00:02:49,537 students. 58 00:02:49,603 --> 00:02:51,739 He was eventually arrested and executed here. 59 00:02:51,805 --> 00:02:53,574 Jeffrey Dahmer, a.k.a. 60 00:02:53,641 --> 00:02:55,943 The Milwaukee Monster, most notably 61 00:02:56,009 --> 00:02:59,247 known for cannibalizing his victims. 62 00:02:59,313 --> 00:03:00,548 Aileen Wuornos. 63 00:03:00,614 --> 00:03:02,383 A rare female, and one of our very 64 00:03:02,450 --> 00:03:05,419 own here in the state of Florida. 65 00:03:05,486 --> 00:03:06,687 All right, that was good. 66 00:03:13,661 --> 00:03:14,895 Julie and I have spent over a year 67 00:03:14,962 --> 00:03:17,731 working on our documentary, Sickness or Sick. 68 00:03:17,798 --> 00:03:19,667 We've interviewed half a dozen serial killers 69 00:03:19,733 --> 00:03:20,734 who sit behind bars. 70 00:03:20,801 --> 00:03:22,770 However, six months ago, we decided 71 00:03:22,836 --> 00:03:26,006 to seek a real life active serial killer, one 72 00:03:26,073 --> 00:03:28,276 who still possesses that killer instinct which 73 00:03:28,342 --> 00:03:30,043 hasn't been lost through the years of captivity 74 00:03:30,110 --> 00:03:32,413 like a caged lion. 75 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,448 We've been blogging internet sites, posting ads 76 00:03:34,515 --> 00:03:36,384 anywhere and everywhere. 77 00:03:36,450 --> 00:03:38,519 Truth be told, we weren't, and I guess, still 78 00:03:38,586 --> 00:03:39,720 aren't very optimistic. 79 00:03:39,787 --> 00:03:41,689 But last night, we got a call from a guy 80 00:03:41,755 --> 00:03:43,424 who claims to be real. 81 00:03:43,491 --> 00:03:46,294 Said we should pay attention to the newspapers. 82 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,296 The rally times, to be exact. 83 00:03:48,362 --> 00:03:51,432 He said he will prove this to us. 84 00:03:51,499 --> 00:03:52,500 And we haven't gotten many calls, 85 00:03:52,566 --> 00:03:54,568 and sounds like another loony to me. 86 00:03:54,635 --> 00:03:56,504 But we'll see. 87 00:04:01,509 --> 00:04:04,712 [side conversations] 88 00:04:09,417 --> 00:04:13,587 Alex, dance with your balloon! 89 00:04:13,654 --> 00:04:17,257 [cheering] 90 00:04:17,891 --> 00:04:18,759 You guys ready for cake? 91 00:04:18,826 --> 00:04:20,394 Yes. 92 00:04:20,461 --> 00:04:21,462 Mommy, you cut it for me. 93 00:04:21,529 --> 00:04:23,331 Hey, Andrea, did you know that today 94 00:04:23,397 --> 00:04:25,433 is Uncle Sam's birthday, too? 95 00:04:25,499 --> 00:04:27,368 Say happy birthday, Uncle Sam. 96 00:04:27,435 --> 00:04:28,736 Happy birthday, Uncle Sam. 97 00:04:28,802 --> 00:04:31,405 Happy birthday. 98 00:04:31,472 --> 00:04:32,840 How about a piece for you? 99 00:04:32,906 --> 00:04:37,077 Oh, and I got it all over my hand, of course. 100 00:04:37,144 --> 00:04:40,514 [inaudible] 101 00:04:40,581 --> 00:04:41,615 [inaudible], you want some? 102 00:04:41,682 --> 00:04:42,650 Anybody else need cake? 103 00:04:42,716 --> 00:04:44,752 Use your spoon, OK? 104 00:04:44,818 --> 00:04:45,519 Oh my god. 105 00:04:45,586 --> 00:04:46,253 Anybody else want any? 106 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,555 We got plenty here. 107 00:04:47,621 --> 00:04:48,589 Please eat it. 108 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:53,861 Happy birthday. 109 00:04:53,927 --> 00:04:54,462 Go get him! 110 00:04:54,528 --> 00:04:55,062 Go get him! 111 00:04:55,128 --> 00:04:55,663 Go get him! 112 00:04:55,729 --> 00:04:57,498 Go get him! 113 00:04:57,565 --> 00:05:00,501 Oh, what's going on here? 114 00:05:00,568 --> 00:05:01,068 Go get him! 115 00:05:01,134 --> 00:05:02,302 [laughter] 116 00:05:02,370 --> 00:05:05,506 Oh my god, I'm getting dizzy just watching you. 117 00:05:05,573 --> 00:05:06,507 I think I'm going down! 118 00:05:06,574 --> 00:05:07,040 I'm going down! 119 00:05:07,107 --> 00:05:07,508 Oh, no! 120 00:05:07,575 --> 00:05:09,076 Oh, no! 121 00:05:09,142 --> 00:05:10,378 Careful, Sam. 122 00:05:10,444 --> 00:05:11,712 Be careful, Sam. 123 00:05:11,779 --> 00:05:12,680 I got one! 124 00:05:12,746 --> 00:05:14,147 I got one! 125 00:05:14,214 --> 00:05:15,148 [inaudible] 126 00:05:15,215 --> 00:05:16,650 [screaming] 127 00:05:16,717 --> 00:05:19,887 [laughter] 128 00:05:23,591 --> 00:05:26,760 [sobbing] 129 00:05:31,465 --> 00:05:33,601 Oh my god, I'm so exhausted from these kids today. 130 00:05:33,667 --> 00:05:35,669 [laughs] I know, [inaudible] were running so much. 131 00:05:35,736 --> 00:05:37,505 God, I feel like I'm 80. 132 00:05:37,571 --> 00:05:41,475 You did like three laps around the pool. 133 00:05:41,542 --> 00:05:44,745 [knocking] 134 00:05:46,514 --> 00:05:48,416 Surprise! 135 00:05:48,482 --> 00:05:50,751 [cheering] 136 00:05:50,818 --> 00:05:52,420 Happy birthday, man! 137 00:05:52,486 --> 00:05:53,421 Get your ass in here. 138 00:05:53,487 --> 00:05:54,187 Happy birthday, man! 139 00:05:54,254 --> 00:05:55,723 Happy birthday, babe. 140 00:05:55,789 --> 00:05:56,724 Oh, what's this? 141 00:05:56,790 --> 00:05:57,691 A new birthday present? 142 00:05:57,758 --> 00:05:58,759 Don't. 143 00:05:58,826 --> 00:05:59,359 Be careful with the camera, please. 144 00:05:59,427 --> 00:06:00,093 Let me see this. 145 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,464 [side conversations] 146 00:06:03,531 --> 00:06:04,064 Come on, man. 147 00:06:04,131 --> 00:06:04,665 There we go. 148 00:06:04,732 --> 00:06:05,399 [inaudible] 149 00:06:05,466 --> 00:06:05,999 Cheers to you, man. 150 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:06,734 Thank you, liar. 151 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,469 Of course, brother. 152 00:06:08,536 --> 00:06:10,438 Come on, man. 153 00:06:10,504 --> 00:06:13,741 [cheering] 154 00:06:13,807 --> 00:06:17,377 [side conversations] 155 00:06:18,779 --> 00:06:19,747 Yeah! 156 00:06:19,813 --> 00:06:23,216 Chug, chug, chug, chug, chug chug! 157 00:06:23,283 --> 00:06:24,752 I have to save that, uh-- 158 00:06:24,818 --> 00:06:25,753 It better be good. 159 00:06:25,819 --> 00:06:26,587 I'm ready to eat! 160 00:06:26,654 --> 00:06:28,556 [cheering] 161 00:06:28,622 --> 00:06:29,557 You're ready to drink! 162 00:06:29,623 --> 00:06:30,524 You're ready to drink! 163 00:06:30,591 --> 00:06:31,024 Yes! 164 00:06:31,091 --> 00:06:32,860 Shots! 165 00:06:32,926 --> 00:06:33,861 Yeah! 166 00:06:33,927 --> 00:06:34,828 Let's see. 167 00:06:34,895 --> 00:06:36,096 What do we got? 168 00:06:36,163 --> 00:06:38,532 Jessica, say something for the birthday boy. 169 00:06:38,599 --> 00:06:38,999 Come on! 170 00:06:39,066 --> 00:06:40,501 Hi. 171 00:06:40,568 --> 00:06:43,671 I'll make a quick toast to a great birthday, a great year, 172 00:06:43,737 --> 00:06:45,105 and a great friend. 173 00:06:45,172 --> 00:06:47,240 Sam, I wish you nothing but the best on your birthday. 174 00:06:47,307 --> 00:06:49,176 And love you guys. 175 00:06:49,242 --> 00:06:51,211 All right, and Tyler? 176 00:06:51,278 --> 00:06:52,412 Happy birthday. 177 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:52,980 Eh, nobody gives a fuck about you, Tyler. 178 00:06:53,046 --> 00:06:53,447 [laughter] 179 00:06:53,514 --> 00:06:55,182 Come on. 180 00:06:55,248 --> 00:06:57,150 Michelle. 181 00:06:57,217 --> 00:07:00,654 [sobbing] 182 00:07:01,622 --> 00:07:02,155 Help me. 183 00:07:02,222 --> 00:07:03,591 --birthday. 184 00:07:03,657 --> 00:07:04,625 It has been a blast knowing you throughout the years. 185 00:07:04,692 --> 00:07:06,660 I hope you have fun tonight, and I 186 00:07:06,727 --> 00:07:08,161 hope you remember it tomorrow. 187 00:07:08,228 --> 00:07:08,896 Happy birthday. 188 00:07:08,962 --> 00:07:09,530 Nice. 189 00:07:09,597 --> 00:07:10,130 Thanks, girl. 190 00:07:10,197 --> 00:07:11,164 You're welcome. 191 00:07:11,231 --> 00:07:12,633 You ready? 192 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:14,968 Wait, wait, whoa, Away All right, I wanted to do a toast. 193 00:07:15,035 --> 00:07:17,771 Oh, OK. 194 00:07:17,838 --> 00:07:19,773 Oh man, just a small one. 195 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,108 [laughter] 196 00:07:21,174 --> 00:07:24,712 Mainly because I'm just surprised that you guys were 197 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:26,547 all actually here. 198 00:07:26,614 --> 00:07:28,215 I didn't think anyone was going to be here, 199 00:07:28,281 --> 00:07:30,618 except for a simple dinner. 200 00:07:30,684 --> 00:07:31,852 And you lied to me. 201 00:07:31,919 --> 00:07:33,286 And so did you, and you, and you, and you, 202 00:07:33,353 --> 00:07:34,522 and you, and you, and you. 203 00:07:34,588 --> 00:07:35,889 [inaudible] pretty much. 204 00:07:35,956 --> 00:07:38,258 And I appreciate that, actually, because I thought 205 00:07:38,325 --> 00:07:39,292 it was going to be quiet. 206 00:07:39,359 --> 00:07:41,294 But I'm touched. 207 00:07:41,361 --> 00:07:45,198 You guys are my family, and I love you guys all for that. 208 00:07:45,265 --> 00:07:45,666 Aw. 209 00:07:45,733 --> 00:07:46,934 Aw. 210 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,638 I hope we can do this again many more times. 211 00:07:50,704 --> 00:07:51,371 What am I forgetting? 212 00:07:51,438 --> 00:07:54,675 Oh, Julie, you're slick. 213 00:07:54,742 --> 00:07:55,175 [laughs] 214 00:07:55,242 --> 00:07:55,809 Yeah? 215 00:07:55,876 --> 00:07:56,510 That's right. 216 00:07:56,577 --> 00:07:57,945 I love you, baby. 217 00:07:58,011 --> 00:07:59,580 [laughter] 218 00:07:59,647 --> 00:08:00,581 I love you, too. 219 00:08:00,648 --> 00:08:02,616 Aw. 220 00:08:02,683 --> 00:08:03,316 [laughs] 221 00:08:03,383 --> 00:08:04,051 All right. 222 00:08:04,117 --> 00:08:05,352 All right, a toast. 223 00:08:05,418 --> 00:08:06,086 So it's just to say thank you very much, guys. 224 00:08:06,153 --> 00:08:06,687 Hey, one more thing. 225 00:08:06,754 --> 00:08:07,254 One more thing. 226 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,189 Joe, Joe. 227 00:08:09,256 --> 00:08:10,223 Please, please, please. 228 00:08:10,290 --> 00:08:10,924 That's your time for an interview. 229 00:08:10,991 --> 00:08:11,992 Oh, come on, man. 230 00:08:12,059 --> 00:08:12,593 You got to say something, please. 231 00:08:12,660 --> 00:08:14,327 Turn around. 232 00:08:14,394 --> 00:08:14,962 You didn't say anything? 233 00:08:15,028 --> 00:08:15,428 Say something. 234 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:16,797 OK. 235 00:08:16,864 --> 00:08:19,299 A little bit different being in front of the camera 236 00:08:19,366 --> 00:08:21,569 than behind the camera, but Sam, happy birthday, brother. 237 00:08:21,635 --> 00:08:23,637 You know I love you. 238 00:08:23,704 --> 00:08:25,839 And you're right, we are a bunch of beautiful liars here 239 00:08:25,906 --> 00:08:27,675 tonight, but that's what makes us family. 240 00:08:27,741 --> 00:08:29,042 We're all a bunch of liars. 241 00:08:29,109 --> 00:08:30,578 Anyways, man, after everything that we've been through 242 00:08:30,644 --> 00:08:33,013 together, and you know what I mean by everything that we've 243 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:33,981 been through together-- 244 00:08:34,047 --> 00:08:35,282 [laughter] 245 00:08:35,348 --> 00:08:36,650 --I wish you the best man. 246 00:08:36,717 --> 00:08:37,851 Have a good night brother. 247 00:08:37,918 --> 00:08:38,686 That's it! 248 00:08:38,752 --> 00:08:40,020 Happy birthday! 249 00:08:41,922 --> 00:08:44,858 [blowing] 250 00:08:44,925 --> 00:08:48,829 [cheering] 251 00:08:48,896 --> 00:08:49,329 Cheers. 252 00:08:49,396 --> 00:08:49,797 Cheers. 253 00:08:49,863 --> 00:08:50,397 Salute. 254 00:08:50,463 --> 00:08:50,998 Happy birthday. 255 00:08:51,064 --> 00:08:51,599 Happy birthday. 256 00:08:51,665 --> 00:08:52,966 With the candle. 257 00:08:53,033 --> 00:08:54,034 Hold on. 258 00:08:54,101 --> 00:08:55,803 I'm so bad at this. 259 00:08:55,869 --> 00:08:56,604 Thank you! 260 00:08:56,670 --> 00:08:57,304 [laughter] 261 00:08:57,370 --> 00:08:58,606 Not bad, not bad. 262 00:08:58,672 --> 00:08:59,372 [laughter] 263 00:08:59,439 --> 00:09:00,373 Lick it off! 264 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:00,874 Lick it! 265 00:09:00,941 --> 00:09:01,474 Yeah! 266 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:02,843 Lick it off! 267 00:09:02,910 --> 00:09:04,044 Yeah! 268 00:09:04,111 --> 00:09:05,278 Why do you guys always want to get dirty? 269 00:09:05,345 --> 00:09:06,279 My god. 270 00:09:06,346 --> 00:09:07,781 Because it's funny. 271 00:09:07,848 --> 00:09:08,782 Bring it, bring it. 272 00:09:08,849 --> 00:09:09,650 Do it. 273 00:09:09,717 --> 00:09:10,383 Bring it. 274 00:09:10,450 --> 00:09:11,785 Do it, do it, do it. 275 00:09:11,852 --> 00:09:12,753 [cheering] 276 00:09:12,820 --> 00:09:15,055 [interposing voices] 277 00:09:15,122 --> 00:09:17,691 [laughter] 278 00:09:17,758 --> 00:09:18,458 [inaudible] 279 00:09:18,525 --> 00:09:19,660 Don't worry about it. 280 00:09:19,727 --> 00:09:20,628 [inaudible] 281 00:09:20,694 --> 00:09:21,361 Too late. 282 00:09:21,428 --> 00:09:21,929 Now you don't get cake. 283 00:09:21,995 --> 00:09:22,896 Just one. 284 00:09:22,963 --> 00:09:23,897 Lick! 285 00:09:23,964 --> 00:09:27,334 [cheering] 286 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:28,301 You're all retarded! 287 00:09:28,368 --> 00:09:29,502 [laughter] 288 00:09:29,569 --> 00:09:31,338 That one can just be like [inaudible].. 289 00:09:31,404 --> 00:09:32,205 Has Starbucks and shit. 290 00:09:32,272 --> 00:09:34,007 You talking about-- oh, OK. 291 00:09:34,074 --> 00:09:35,876 At my job, [inaudible]. 292 00:09:35,943 --> 00:09:37,778 On your cake, too? 293 00:09:37,845 --> 00:09:39,046 Yeah, that'd be kind of gross. 294 00:09:39,112 --> 00:09:42,650 [side conversations] 295 00:09:53,894 --> 00:09:59,399 [blowing] Anything? 296 00:09:59,466 --> 00:10:00,734 Nope, nothing. 297 00:10:03,971 --> 00:10:04,371 Oh, wait. 298 00:10:04,437 --> 00:10:05,706 Oh, god. 299 00:10:05,773 --> 00:10:06,940 Listen to this. 300 00:10:07,007 --> 00:10:08,375 So apparently, some idiot was pulled over 301 00:10:08,441 --> 00:10:12,780 for reckless driving, and blamed having to pee as a cause. 302 00:10:12,846 --> 00:10:14,081 Rally news. 303 00:10:14,147 --> 00:10:15,115 Riveting. 304 00:10:17,417 --> 00:10:20,353 Day three since the call, and nothing. 305 00:10:20,420 --> 00:10:21,354 Seems we have our answer. 306 00:10:21,421 --> 00:10:22,622 Don't we. 307 00:10:35,869 --> 00:10:39,072 [sobbing] 308 00:11:02,930 --> 00:11:04,097 [screaming] 309 00:11:04,164 --> 00:11:07,735 [birds chirping] 310 00:11:21,815 --> 00:11:23,083 It's crazy, babe. 311 00:11:23,150 --> 00:11:25,886 Any one of these people could be marked by a killer, 312 00:11:25,953 --> 00:11:27,788 not even know it. 313 00:11:27,855 --> 00:11:30,758 [groaning] 314 00:11:30,824 --> 00:11:35,062 [side conversations] 315 00:11:35,128 --> 00:11:35,896 Sam, stop. 316 00:11:35,963 --> 00:11:39,032 Just come on, turn it off. 317 00:11:39,099 --> 00:11:40,000 Oh shit. 318 00:12:11,999 --> 00:12:14,067 What are you doing, Sam? 319 00:12:14,134 --> 00:12:16,569 We're going to-- well, I got an idea. 320 00:12:16,636 --> 00:12:18,071 Just come on. 321 00:12:18,138 --> 00:12:18,939 Hurry up and go. 322 00:12:19,006 --> 00:12:20,207 We're going to follow this car. 323 00:12:20,273 --> 00:12:20,774 Which car? 324 00:12:20,841 --> 00:12:21,374 That one? 325 00:12:21,441 --> 00:12:22,675 No, no, no. 326 00:12:22,742 --> 00:12:23,410 There's another one that's about to pull out. 327 00:12:23,476 --> 00:12:25,879 This is stupid, Sam. 328 00:12:25,946 --> 00:12:28,081 No, what's stupid is having your name on your license plate. 329 00:12:28,148 --> 00:12:30,583 Easy for a stranger to pretend to know you, and catch you off 330 00:12:30,650 --> 00:12:31,284 guard. 331 00:12:31,351 --> 00:12:31,919 Well, so is this. 332 00:12:31,985 --> 00:12:32,519 No, it's not. 333 00:12:32,585 --> 00:12:33,854 Think about it. 334 00:12:33,921 --> 00:12:37,224 Right now, she has no idea we're following her. 335 00:12:37,290 --> 00:12:39,226 This must be what it feels like for these people. 336 00:12:39,292 --> 00:12:41,228 Seriously, babe? 337 00:12:41,294 --> 00:12:42,762 Look, it's the thrill of it, OK? 338 00:12:49,602 --> 00:12:50,770 Sam. 339 00:13:11,959 --> 00:13:13,260 Sam, this is creepy. 340 00:13:13,326 --> 00:13:14,928 Don't you feel that? 341 00:13:14,995 --> 00:13:18,866 The rush [inaudible]. 342 00:13:18,932 --> 00:13:19,867 Come on, Sam. 343 00:13:19,933 --> 00:13:20,934 You're freaking me out. 344 00:13:21,001 --> 00:13:22,169 Come on, Julie. 345 00:13:22,235 --> 00:13:23,636 We said we're going to do this non-biased It's 346 00:13:23,703 --> 00:13:28,041 important for us to see it from their side as much as ours. 347 00:13:28,108 --> 00:13:30,243 Don't you feel your heart racing? 348 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:33,013 No. 349 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,282 Sometimes, they stalk them for days, maybe even weeks. 350 00:13:49,262 --> 00:13:53,133 (WHISPERING) Look out, look out. 351 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:54,902 Something about her motivates him. 352 00:13:54,968 --> 00:13:56,169 [inaudible] 353 00:13:56,236 --> 00:13:56,836 OK. 354 00:14:02,375 --> 00:14:03,143 That is enough. 355 00:14:03,210 --> 00:14:03,743 Let's go. 356 00:14:03,810 --> 00:14:04,444 Oh, come on. 357 00:14:04,511 --> 00:14:05,845 Just getting good. 358 00:14:25,098 --> 00:14:26,333 Sam. 359 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:27,935 Babe, hurry! 360 00:14:28,001 --> 00:14:28,969 Coming. 361 00:14:35,242 --> 00:14:36,309 Holy shit. 362 00:14:36,376 --> 00:14:38,611 You think that's him? 363 00:14:38,678 --> 00:14:39,346 I don't know. 364 00:14:39,412 --> 00:14:42,115 Well, what's it say? 365 00:14:42,182 --> 00:14:45,618 It says that she was found murdered, that there's 366 00:14:45,685 --> 00:14:49,889 no real suspects, and other than that, nothing else. 367 00:14:58,698 --> 00:15:02,102 [inaudible] 368 00:15:02,169 --> 00:15:04,972 I'm standing here with Blair Williams, author of The Demon 369 00:15:05,038 --> 00:15:06,473 They Never Saw Coming. 370 00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:07,740 It was a book he wrote about Devin "The Demon" Bedford, who 371 00:15:07,807 --> 00:15:10,643 at the age of 42 murdered a 9-year-old girl. 372 00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:11,744 And it wouldn't be his last. 373 00:15:11,811 --> 00:15:13,146 Over the next 10 years, he would go on 374 00:15:13,213 --> 00:15:17,284 to leave a bloody trail of young women and children. 375 00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:19,052 Mr. Blair, thank you. 376 00:15:19,119 --> 00:15:20,553 You're welcome. 377 00:15:20,620 --> 00:15:23,123 I know you had the opportunity to actually interview Devin 378 00:15:23,190 --> 00:15:24,357 just before he was executed. 379 00:15:24,424 --> 00:15:25,692 I did. 380 00:15:25,758 --> 00:15:27,260 Can you share with us what you learned from him? 381 00:15:27,327 --> 00:15:28,495 Sure. 382 00:15:28,561 --> 00:15:32,332 Devin was your classic serial killer type. 383 00:15:32,399 --> 00:15:37,704 He was a white male, educated, charming, non-threatening 384 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:41,241 demeanor, which made it easy for him to pick his prey 385 00:15:41,308 --> 00:15:43,443 and get them to trust him. 386 00:15:43,510 --> 00:15:47,747 I mean, he got people to trust him to bring them out here. 387 00:15:47,814 --> 00:15:51,284 Children, he would entice them with toys. 388 00:15:51,351 --> 00:15:53,620 Grown ups were runaways, prostitutes. 389 00:15:53,686 --> 00:15:56,623 He promised them food, money, shelter. 390 00:15:56,689 --> 00:15:57,757 He was a smart guy. 391 00:15:57,824 --> 00:16:01,361 He started having control fantasies. 392 00:16:01,428 --> 00:16:05,732 And the serial killer, when he's having these control fantasies, 393 00:16:05,798 --> 00:16:10,170 they start losing their sense of what's right and what's wrong. 394 00:16:10,237 --> 00:16:12,272 It starts separating in their mind. 395 00:16:12,339 --> 00:16:17,644 And they lose any empathy for human beings. 396 00:16:17,710 --> 00:16:22,715 We become objects of desire and self-gratification. 397 00:16:22,782 --> 00:16:24,351 We're objects. 398 00:16:24,417 --> 00:16:26,286 You know, we've read your book several times. 399 00:16:26,353 --> 00:16:28,055 And we really respect your work. 400 00:16:28,121 --> 00:16:30,757 Thank you, thank you. 401 00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:34,427 You know, once you sit down across one of these guys, 402 00:16:34,494 --> 00:16:36,729 you can't believe it, because you would never 403 00:16:36,796 --> 00:16:41,401 in a million years imagine that somebody in this nice, 404 00:16:41,468 --> 00:16:45,105 this gentle, would be such a monster. 405 00:16:45,172 --> 00:16:47,240 But that's what makes them who they 406 00:16:47,307 --> 00:16:53,780 are because they are able to fool their victims into seeing 407 00:16:53,846 --> 00:16:56,349 this very nice, nice person. 408 00:16:56,416 --> 00:16:57,717 It's right here. 409 00:17:01,921 --> 00:17:03,090 Right there. 410 00:17:03,156 --> 00:17:07,860 That is where most of his killings took place. 411 00:17:07,927 --> 00:17:11,131 And he dumped the bodies elsewhere. 412 00:17:11,198 --> 00:17:13,333 God knows why. 413 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,338 And Tanya Malin, the 9-year-old girl, he 414 00:17:18,405 --> 00:17:21,141 told me that he tried raping her. 415 00:17:21,208 --> 00:17:23,410 And she struggled. 416 00:17:23,476 --> 00:17:27,514 And in the process, he stabbed her to death. 417 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:33,486 And to his astonishment, while doing that, he had an orgasm. 418 00:17:33,553 --> 00:17:34,387 I'm sorry, what? 419 00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:35,088 Yeah. 420 00:17:35,155 --> 00:17:35,822 That's disgusting. 421 00:17:35,888 --> 00:17:37,524 Yeah. 422 00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:39,726 He had an orgasm. 423 00:17:39,792 --> 00:17:43,796 It became the drive behind the rage. 424 00:17:43,863 --> 00:17:46,866 Devon was impotent most of his adult life, 425 00:17:46,933 --> 00:17:50,903 and was made fun of by his mother and any woman 426 00:17:50,970 --> 00:17:54,141 that he tried getting close to. 427 00:17:54,207 --> 00:17:58,545 He was never able to have a relationship. 428 00:17:58,611 --> 00:18:03,450 And pleasure came through torture. 429 00:18:03,516 --> 00:18:07,554 Stabbing, slashing children, young women. 430 00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:10,557 And the more intense the mutilation, the more intense 431 00:18:10,623 --> 00:18:13,426 the torture, the more sexual gratification 432 00:18:13,493 --> 00:18:15,362 this guy would get. 433 00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:19,432 And he made the connection between violent death 434 00:18:19,499 --> 00:18:20,467 and getting off sexually. 435 00:18:23,303 --> 00:18:25,438 So I know in your book, you mentioned the gratification. 436 00:18:25,505 --> 00:18:27,574 But you also mentioned boys? 437 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:28,775 Well, yes. 438 00:18:28,841 --> 00:18:30,009 Yes, there were boys. 439 00:18:30,076 --> 00:18:35,315 It was young girls in contrast to older girls. 440 00:18:35,382 --> 00:18:39,352 But boys, he will pick them young, not physically developed 441 00:18:39,419 --> 00:18:40,253 yet. 442 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,356 So he would see them as girls. 443 00:18:43,423 --> 00:18:47,460 But he would castrate the boys. 444 00:18:47,527 --> 00:18:50,330 Blair, I also remember reading that he 445 00:18:50,397 --> 00:18:52,465 would remove his victims' eyes. 446 00:18:52,532 --> 00:18:54,234 He would actually carve them out. 447 00:18:54,301 --> 00:18:55,202 Why is that? 448 00:18:55,268 --> 00:18:57,437 Yeah. 449 00:18:57,504 --> 00:19:04,977 This guy believed that his image was stuck in his victims eyes. 450 00:19:05,044 --> 00:19:09,482 So he would remove the eyes because he 451 00:19:09,549 --> 00:19:12,352 was scared of getting caught. 452 00:19:12,419 --> 00:19:12,885 Wow. 453 00:19:12,952 --> 00:19:13,353 Yeah. 454 00:19:13,420 --> 00:19:13,953 Yep. 455 00:19:14,020 --> 00:19:16,456 Yep, that's him. 456 00:19:16,523 --> 00:19:19,359 Devin the demon. 457 00:19:19,426 --> 00:19:22,329 Yep. 458 00:19:22,395 --> 00:19:25,565 So what did you think Sam? 459 00:19:25,632 --> 00:19:26,733 I think it went well. 460 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:28,568 I think we got some really good stuff. 461 00:19:28,635 --> 00:19:31,571 Yeah, I think so, too. 462 00:19:31,638 --> 00:19:34,374 The only thing that bothers me is-- 463 00:19:34,441 --> 00:19:36,309 What? 464 00:19:36,376 --> 00:19:37,610 I mean, don't get me wrong because I 465 00:19:37,677 --> 00:19:42,382 think murder in general is bad, but it's the kids. 466 00:19:42,449 --> 00:19:43,716 I just don't understand how someone 467 00:19:43,783 --> 00:19:45,952 can possess so much darkness and evil that they-- 468 00:19:46,018 --> 00:19:47,254 I know, babe. 469 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,889 But you got to remember that they see these kids, 470 00:19:49,956 --> 00:19:51,958 they see just human beings as objects. 471 00:19:52,024 --> 00:19:52,959 We're not people. 472 00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:53,960 We're just objects. 473 00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:57,797 OK. 474 00:20:01,734 --> 00:20:02,935 How can you prove it was you? 475 00:20:09,976 --> 00:20:10,943 Mhm. 476 00:20:14,447 --> 00:20:15,415 Mhm. 477 00:20:19,752 --> 00:20:20,620 Mhm. 478 00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:24,357 OK. 479 00:20:30,597 --> 00:20:32,665 What happened, Sam? 480 00:20:32,732 --> 00:20:34,967 He said, here's the proof. 481 00:20:35,034 --> 00:20:36,235 What is it? 482 00:20:41,508 --> 00:20:42,375 Hm. 483 00:21:06,466 --> 00:21:10,002 Our potential serial killer gave us our first piece of proof. 484 00:21:10,069 --> 00:21:11,037 So we're here to confirm. 485 00:21:26,719 --> 00:21:28,154 Yeah, hi. 486 00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:31,491 Could I speak to the officer in charge for the murder case? 487 00:21:31,558 --> 00:21:33,426 Uh huh. 488 00:21:33,493 --> 00:21:36,496 Yeah, I was just wondering, was a girl raped 489 00:21:36,563 --> 00:21:39,332 found stabbed behind her back? 490 00:21:52,612 --> 00:21:53,045 Well? 491 00:21:53,112 --> 00:21:55,014 Oh shit. 492 00:21:55,081 --> 00:21:55,582 He wasn't lying. 493 00:21:55,648 --> 00:21:56,215 It's real. 494 00:21:56,282 --> 00:21:57,083 What happened? 495 00:21:57,149 --> 00:21:58,250 I got the officer in charge. 496 00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:00,653 And the minute I mentioned it, he was like, 497 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,121 how the hell do you know that? 498 00:22:02,188 --> 00:22:03,390 Julie, he asked who I was. 499 00:22:03,456 --> 00:22:04,424 We should go. 500 00:22:09,161 --> 00:22:10,329 Go ahead. 501 00:22:14,701 --> 00:22:15,668 Babe. 502 00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:24,777 The one piece of proof that he gave us over the phone 503 00:22:24,844 --> 00:22:27,780 was that the victim was found with her hands bound 504 00:22:27,847 --> 00:22:32,819 behind her back, and stabbed in the back multiple times. 505 00:22:32,885 --> 00:22:33,786 She was also raped. 506 00:22:40,192 --> 00:22:42,562 So when I asked them that, they confirmed. 507 00:22:42,629 --> 00:22:45,565 Well, not really willingly. 508 00:22:45,632 --> 00:22:48,435 That was the case. 509 00:22:48,501 --> 00:22:49,836 It seems our guy might be the real deal. 510 00:22:57,577 --> 00:22:58,478 What is it, babe? 511 00:22:58,545 --> 00:22:59,579 Grab the camera. 512 00:22:59,646 --> 00:23:00,112 I got it. 513 00:23:00,179 --> 00:23:00,713 Why? 514 00:23:00,780 --> 00:23:01,280 What's going on? 515 00:23:01,347 --> 00:23:02,515 Come here. 516 00:23:02,582 --> 00:23:03,015 What? 517 00:23:03,082 --> 00:23:07,119 [crying] 518 00:23:07,186 --> 00:23:10,222 Oh my god. 519 00:23:10,289 --> 00:23:13,059 Is that real? 520 00:23:13,125 --> 00:23:15,628 Sam? 521 00:23:15,695 --> 00:23:16,362 Sam! 522 00:23:16,429 --> 00:23:17,730 Yeah, I think so, babe. 523 00:23:17,797 --> 00:23:19,699 Where did you get that? 524 00:23:19,766 --> 00:23:22,569 It came in the email we've been using. 525 00:23:22,635 --> 00:23:24,504 Oh my god I think I'm going to be sick. 526 00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:41,754 [muffled screaming] 527 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:03,175 Will you please turn that shit off? 528 00:24:03,242 --> 00:24:04,511 You OK? 529 00:24:04,577 --> 00:24:05,244 No! 530 00:24:05,311 --> 00:24:06,779 This is our fault, Sam. 531 00:24:06,846 --> 00:24:07,514 What? 532 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:08,948 What do you mean, babe? 533 00:24:09,015 --> 00:24:10,550 This is our fault. Because of us, a girl lost her life. 534 00:24:10,617 --> 00:24:11,183 Don't you get it? 535 00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:11,651 What? 536 00:24:11,718 --> 00:24:12,852 No. 537 00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:13,720 OK, he probably kept [inaudible] for a while. 538 00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:14,621 You know how these people work. 539 00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:16,756 He would have done it anyway. 540 00:24:16,823 --> 00:24:17,456 No, Sam. 541 00:24:17,524 --> 00:24:18,525 This is our fault. 542 00:24:18,591 --> 00:24:19,391 Julie-- 543 00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:20,192 A girl got killed because of us. 544 00:24:20,259 --> 00:24:21,528 No, look. 545 00:24:21,594 --> 00:24:23,663 They stalk their pray for days, sometimes weeks. 546 00:24:23,730 --> 00:24:25,732 You know that. 547 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:27,834 I'm scared, Sam. 548 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:30,803 For the first time, I'm really scared. 549 00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:32,304 [ringing] 550 00:24:32,371 --> 00:24:33,472 (WHISPERING) Shit. 551 00:24:37,276 --> 00:24:38,545 Hello? 552 00:24:38,611 --> 00:24:42,214 Shit, grab the camera. 553 00:24:42,281 --> 00:24:42,915 Yeah. 554 00:24:42,982 --> 00:24:44,116 No, no, we got it. 555 00:24:45,885 --> 00:24:47,620 Yeah, no, that's more than enough proof. 556 00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:51,924 What do you mean? 557 00:24:51,991 --> 00:24:52,692 [knocking] 558 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:53,893 Someone's at the door. 559 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,562 Hello? 560 00:24:55,628 --> 00:24:56,863 Hello? 561 00:24:56,929 --> 00:24:57,730 Shit, he hung up. 562 00:24:57,797 --> 00:24:58,831 Someone's at the door, Sam. 563 00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:08,207 There's no one there. 564 00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:12,845 [beep] 565 00:25:12,912 --> 00:25:13,780 Sam. 566 00:25:19,819 --> 00:25:21,187 There's nobody there. 567 00:25:31,931 --> 00:25:34,901 What the hell is going on? 568 00:25:34,967 --> 00:25:36,603 Will you talk-- 569 00:25:36,669 --> 00:25:37,203 Hold it up. 570 00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:38,270 No. 571 00:25:38,337 --> 00:25:40,272 How did he know where we live, Sam? 572 00:25:40,339 --> 00:25:41,340 Think that's her blood? 573 00:25:41,407 --> 00:25:42,742 I don't care. 574 00:25:42,809 --> 00:25:43,910 How did he know where we live? 575 00:25:43,976 --> 00:25:44,911 He's been here. 576 00:25:44,977 --> 00:25:46,212 Babe, calm down. 577 00:25:46,278 --> 00:25:47,680 Don't tell me to calm down. 578 00:25:51,050 --> 00:25:51,818 How could he know? 579 00:25:56,255 --> 00:25:57,323 I may have made a mistake. 580 00:25:57,389 --> 00:25:58,758 I just didn't want you to freak out. 581 00:25:58,825 --> 00:26:00,760 What did you do? 582 00:26:00,827 --> 00:26:02,394 I think I accidentally using my real email 583 00:26:02,461 --> 00:26:03,162 responding [inaudible] 584 00:26:03,229 --> 00:26:03,630 What? 585 00:26:03,696 --> 00:26:04,330 Why? 586 00:26:04,396 --> 00:26:04,931 How would he know? 587 00:26:04,997 --> 00:26:05,698 By accident. 588 00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:09,702 It's the primary one. 589 00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:11,804 But how did he get our address? 590 00:26:11,871 --> 00:26:12,639 It's in my email. 591 00:26:12,705 --> 00:26:13,873 It's part of my signature. 592 00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:14,907 Why? 593 00:26:14,974 --> 00:26:15,775 Our company address. 594 00:26:15,842 --> 00:26:16,976 It looks more professional. 595 00:26:17,043 --> 00:26:18,377 But we live here, Sam. 596 00:26:18,444 --> 00:26:21,781 Babe, it was a mistake. 597 00:26:21,848 --> 00:26:23,783 Let's just go to the police. 598 00:26:23,850 --> 00:26:25,017 And say what? 599 00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:27,253 Hey, we've been talking to a real life killer. 600 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:29,288 In fact, he's killed somewhere in North Carolina. 601 00:26:29,355 --> 00:26:30,657 They're going to think we're involved. 602 00:26:30,723 --> 00:26:31,991 No they won't! 603 00:26:32,058 --> 00:26:33,392 That's stupid, and we can prove all this stuff! 604 00:26:33,459 --> 00:26:34,861 [knocking] 605 00:26:34,927 --> 00:26:35,895 He's back. 606 00:26:39,031 --> 00:26:41,834 Where are you going? 607 00:26:41,901 --> 00:26:42,902 Grab the camera. 608 00:26:42,969 --> 00:26:43,870 Oh my god, Sam. 609 00:26:47,106 --> 00:26:48,675 Where are you going? 610 00:26:48,741 --> 00:26:49,308 See who it is. 611 00:26:49,375 --> 00:26:50,276 Stay here. 612 00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:02,354 [beep] 613 00:27:02,421 --> 00:27:03,656 Hey. 614 00:27:03,723 --> 00:27:05,825 I need you to sign for the letter that I left here. 615 00:27:05,892 --> 00:27:07,259 You left a letter? 616 00:27:07,326 --> 00:27:08,728 Yeah, I apologize. 617 00:27:08,795 --> 00:27:10,396 It's been a hectic day. 618 00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:12,832 I didn't realize it had to be signed for. 619 00:27:12,899 --> 00:27:14,300 Let me see some ID. 620 00:27:22,775 --> 00:27:23,810 Got it, babe? 621 00:27:23,876 --> 00:27:26,278 Hold on. 622 00:27:26,345 --> 00:27:27,313 OK, got it. 623 00:27:31,017 --> 00:27:32,852 Who gave you the letter? 624 00:27:32,919 --> 00:27:33,986 I have no idea. 625 00:27:34,053 --> 00:27:36,756 These things just come to my office. 626 00:27:36,823 --> 00:27:37,857 Is everything OK here? 627 00:27:37,924 --> 00:27:40,092 Yeah, everything's fine. 628 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:40,860 OK. 629 00:27:40,927 --> 00:27:42,061 Just sign right here. 630 00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:52,404 OK, thank you. 631 00:27:52,471 --> 00:27:53,672 Be safe. 632 00:28:01,147 --> 00:28:01,981 Holy shit. 633 00:28:02,048 --> 00:28:03,883 I may have overreacted a bit. 634 00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:06,118 Yeah, well he still knows our address. 635 00:28:06,185 --> 00:28:07,286 So we're moving, OK? 636 00:28:07,353 --> 00:28:08,387 And did you hear that be safe? 637 00:28:17,396 --> 00:28:19,766 This was the content of the letter. 638 00:28:19,832 --> 00:28:20,900 A location and a time. 639 00:28:42,488 --> 00:28:45,524 It just doesn't make any sense. 640 00:28:45,591 --> 00:28:46,826 Why would he send it to us? 641 00:28:46,893 --> 00:28:48,795 He could've told you on the phone, or in an email, 642 00:28:48,861 --> 00:28:49,829 or whatever. 643 00:28:53,199 --> 00:28:56,068 Oh my god. 644 00:28:56,135 --> 00:28:58,004 He wants to know he knows who we are. 645 00:29:01,073 --> 00:29:04,076 I don't like this, Sam. 646 00:29:04,143 --> 00:29:05,477 This really scares me. 647 00:29:08,514 --> 00:29:09,548 Where are you going? 648 00:29:09,615 --> 00:29:10,783 To make sure everything is locked. 649 00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:22,361 It's kind of scary tonight. 650 00:29:22,428 --> 00:29:25,497 Kind of exciting, too. 651 00:29:25,564 --> 00:29:26,732 He's willing to meet with us in 10 days. 652 00:29:29,936 --> 00:29:32,438 Julie's still not share, and I'm not sure, either. 653 00:29:32,504 --> 00:29:34,373 Guess I just never figured we'd have a chance 654 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,407 to meet someone like this. 655 00:29:38,978 --> 00:29:39,912 We'll have to decide soon. 656 00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:46,385 OK, mom. 657 00:29:46,452 --> 00:29:48,988 Yeah. 658 00:29:49,055 --> 00:29:51,390 I don't know. 659 00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:52,624 Oh, mom, before I forget. 660 00:29:52,691 --> 00:29:55,094 Do you think I can go and drop off Shadow? 661 00:29:55,161 --> 00:29:58,464 Do you mind watching him just for a few days? 662 00:29:58,530 --> 00:30:00,867 Of course. 663 00:30:00,933 --> 00:30:03,435 Oh, perfect. 664 00:30:03,502 --> 00:30:04,636 All right. 665 00:30:04,703 --> 00:30:06,638 I love you too, mom. 666 00:30:06,705 --> 00:30:08,607 Tell your mom I love her, too! 667 00:30:08,674 --> 00:30:10,877 I don't know. 668 00:30:10,943 --> 00:30:13,880 Sam says he loves you, too. 669 00:30:13,946 --> 00:30:16,148 OK, talk to you later. 670 00:30:16,215 --> 00:30:17,183 Bye. 671 00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:26,525 Sam, we need to talk about this. 672 00:30:26,592 --> 00:30:27,559 OK, one second. 673 00:30:32,264 --> 00:30:35,935 I was thinking, I'll just go then. 674 00:30:36,002 --> 00:30:38,170 I mean, this is too rare of an opportunity not to. 675 00:30:38,237 --> 00:30:39,638 You don't have to. 676 00:30:39,705 --> 00:30:40,806 Besides, I'll try and find a location 677 00:30:40,873 --> 00:30:43,442 where he can meet us that's in public. 678 00:30:43,509 --> 00:30:44,610 He told you where he wants me. 679 00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:46,913 He's not going to meet you in a diner. 680 00:30:46,979 --> 00:30:47,479 And me what? 681 00:30:47,546 --> 00:30:48,915 Stay here? 682 00:30:48,981 --> 00:30:50,950 Babe, he knows where we live. 683 00:30:51,017 --> 00:30:52,684 What if he's watching us right now? 684 00:30:52,751 --> 00:30:55,054 Babe, I doubt he's watching us. 685 00:30:55,121 --> 00:30:56,455 Do you know what the tripod is? 686 00:30:56,522 --> 00:30:58,257 It's in the car. 687 00:30:58,324 --> 00:31:00,993 Look, anyways, you can go stay with your sister. 688 00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:04,931 I'm going with you, but I'm not going to do the interview. 689 00:31:04,997 --> 00:31:06,132 We've come this far. 690 00:31:06,198 --> 00:31:07,199 You can just do the interview yourself. 691 00:31:07,266 --> 00:31:09,035 And if anything happens, I'll be outside 692 00:31:09,101 --> 00:31:10,602 and I can call the police. 693 00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:11,470 Fine. 694 00:31:11,537 --> 00:31:13,940 OK, I'd prefer that anyway. 695 00:31:14,006 --> 00:31:15,374 All right, well don't forget to tape 696 00:31:15,441 --> 00:31:19,478 over the other stuff, the rally girl proof and stuff, OK? 697 00:31:19,545 --> 00:31:21,147 OK, I'll do it. 698 00:31:21,213 --> 00:31:22,181 OK. 699 00:31:25,351 --> 00:31:26,285 Get the tripod. 700 00:31:33,225 --> 00:31:34,160 All right. 701 00:31:46,605 --> 00:31:48,007 Sam! 702 00:31:48,074 --> 00:31:48,907 Yeah, babe? 703 00:31:48,975 --> 00:31:51,210 Will you help me for a second? 704 00:31:51,277 --> 00:31:52,311 OK, just a minute. 705 00:31:52,378 --> 00:31:56,082 Come on, it won't take long! 706 00:31:56,148 --> 00:31:57,116 All right. 707 00:32:03,055 --> 00:32:04,190 Sup, babe? 708 00:32:04,256 --> 00:32:07,259 Just need you to help me grab that [inaudible].. 709 00:32:07,326 --> 00:32:08,327 OK. 710 00:32:10,796 --> 00:32:14,200 [inaudible] Thank you! 711 00:32:14,266 --> 00:32:16,002 You're welcome! 712 00:32:16,068 --> 00:32:17,269 I love you! 713 00:32:17,336 --> 00:32:18,304 I love you, too! 714 00:32:36,288 --> 00:32:38,257 Shadow. 715 00:32:38,324 --> 00:32:40,592 He's getting old, huh babe? 716 00:32:40,659 --> 00:32:42,294 Yeah. 717 00:32:42,361 --> 00:32:43,195 Hey, hold up the map. 718 00:32:43,262 --> 00:32:44,230 All right. 719 00:32:47,099 --> 00:32:49,268 OK. 720 00:32:49,335 --> 00:32:50,302 Here we are. 721 00:32:53,372 --> 00:33:00,579 There's the Wuornos Killing, Rolling, and then Bundy's, 722 00:33:00,646 --> 00:33:04,716 and that's our meeting place. 723 00:33:04,783 --> 00:33:07,586 Why are we meeting there? 724 00:33:07,653 --> 00:33:08,787 Well, probably because he knows what 725 00:33:08,854 --> 00:33:11,190 would happen if he was caught in Florida. 726 00:33:11,257 --> 00:33:13,059 The way we do it is the death penalty. 727 00:33:13,125 --> 00:33:15,394 Florida's like the serial killer of states. 728 00:33:15,461 --> 00:33:21,600 [laughs] This is far, babe. 729 00:33:21,667 --> 00:33:22,668 I know. 730 00:33:27,473 --> 00:33:29,808 Good boy, Shadow. 731 00:33:29,875 --> 00:33:32,211 Is that the location we're meeting at? 732 00:33:32,278 --> 00:33:36,082 Yeah, but there isn't much coverage on it. 733 00:33:36,148 --> 00:33:38,150 Yeah, doesn't seem to be much around. 734 00:33:38,217 --> 00:33:40,619 There isn't, but I got the details 735 00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:43,222 on the more important stuff like closest hospital, 736 00:33:43,289 --> 00:33:45,224 nearest police station. 737 00:33:45,291 --> 00:33:46,358 Nice. 738 00:33:46,425 --> 00:33:49,295 Well, hopefully we won't need either. 739 00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:49,895 I'm telling you. 740 00:33:49,961 --> 00:33:51,097 We need it. 741 00:33:51,163 --> 00:33:52,331 Watch, I'll show. 742 00:33:52,398 --> 00:33:53,632 What do you mean a guy, Sam? 743 00:33:53,699 --> 00:33:54,833 Who? 744 00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:55,867 I may have found a guy, like a cameraman. 745 00:33:55,934 --> 00:33:57,103 Someone who can do all the filming. 746 00:33:57,169 --> 00:33:59,671 That way, you and I can both be on camera. 747 00:33:59,738 --> 00:34:00,806 Why? 748 00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:01,573 Look. 749 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,774 Watch, I'll show you. 750 00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:09,881 [laughs] [inaudible] 751 00:34:09,948 --> 00:34:11,083 See? 752 00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:12,284 That way, we don't have to keep doing that, 753 00:34:12,351 --> 00:34:14,686 and risk the chance of missing anything. 754 00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:15,821 How much? 755 00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:16,288 Nothing. 756 00:34:16,355 --> 00:34:17,656 Nothing? 757 00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:19,125 Nothing. 758 00:34:19,191 --> 00:34:21,760 Oh, I told him I'd give him credit and pay his expenses. 759 00:34:21,827 --> 00:34:23,262 Where did you find him? 760 00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:24,730 I posted an ad online. 761 00:34:24,796 --> 00:34:26,232 Oh, boy. 762 00:34:26,298 --> 00:34:28,200 Look, I said we're looking for a guy who can shoot while we're 763 00:34:28,267 --> 00:34:29,635 filming a documentary. 764 00:34:29,701 --> 00:34:30,636 I told him a little bit about what we're doing. 765 00:34:30,702 --> 00:34:31,670 He likes the idea. 766 00:34:31,737 --> 00:34:32,438 He's local. 767 00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:34,273 It works out well, OK? 768 00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:36,408 Well, we need to talk about expenses. 769 00:34:36,475 --> 00:34:37,343 OK. 770 00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:37,909 Hold on. 771 00:34:37,976 --> 00:34:38,510 No, no no. 772 00:34:38,577 --> 00:34:39,411 No, keep it on. 773 00:34:39,478 --> 00:34:41,847 Actually, give me this camera. 774 00:34:41,913 --> 00:34:45,151 We are going to document this. 775 00:34:45,217 --> 00:34:46,385 All right, Sam. 776 00:34:46,452 --> 00:34:49,821 How much money have you saved up for this? 777 00:34:49,888 --> 00:34:51,690 Like $200. 778 00:34:51,757 --> 00:34:53,392 $200. 779 00:34:53,459 --> 00:34:54,793 Wow. 780 00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:56,728 That isn't even enough to get us there in gas, Sam. 781 00:34:56,795 --> 00:34:57,896 What about a place to stay? 782 00:34:57,963 --> 00:34:59,165 Food? 783 00:34:59,231 --> 00:34:59,898 I know. 784 00:34:59,965 --> 00:35:00,766 No, you don't know. 785 00:35:00,832 --> 00:35:03,169 You didn't even think about it. 786 00:35:03,235 --> 00:35:04,270 Honestly, I'm sick of this. 787 00:35:04,336 --> 00:35:06,372 I'm paying for everything around here. 788 00:35:06,438 --> 00:35:08,374 You haven't contributed to anything around here 789 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,841 the last few months. 790 00:35:09,908 --> 00:35:12,278 I'm paying the bills, the rent, the frickin' car insurance. 791 00:35:12,344 --> 00:35:12,744 I know. 792 00:35:12,811 --> 00:35:13,479 No! 793 00:35:13,545 --> 00:35:14,546 We got the car together! 794 00:35:14,613 --> 00:35:15,714 We were supposed to pay it together! 795 00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:16,748 I know! 796 00:35:16,815 --> 00:35:17,816 I promise, as soon as this is over, 797 00:35:17,883 --> 00:35:18,884 everything's going to change, OK? 798 00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:21,353 Yeah, you bet it will, because you're 799 00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:23,789 getting a job, a real job when we get back. 800 00:35:23,855 --> 00:35:25,123 No. 801 00:35:25,191 --> 00:35:26,358 When we get back, I'm going to be busy editing. 802 00:35:26,425 --> 00:35:27,426 Well then you can edit at someone's garage, 803 00:35:27,493 --> 00:35:29,728 because you need to get out of here. 804 00:35:29,795 --> 00:35:30,829 Seriously, Sam. 805 00:35:30,896 --> 00:35:31,930 You're going to move out! 806 00:35:31,997 --> 00:35:33,932 If you can't contribute to the house, 807 00:35:33,999 --> 00:35:36,202 if you can't commit to a job, then I want you out. 808 00:35:36,268 --> 00:35:37,869 I'm sorry. 809 00:35:37,936 --> 00:35:39,037 This isn't fair. 810 00:35:39,104 --> 00:35:40,839 Savings are supposed to be for savings. 811 00:35:40,906 --> 00:35:41,973 Take this camera, man. 812 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,942 Listen, babe. 813 00:35:44,009 --> 00:35:46,845 Babe, come here. 814 00:35:46,912 --> 00:35:47,579 Come on, babe. 815 00:35:47,646 --> 00:35:48,814 You said you would. 816 00:35:52,418 --> 00:35:54,420 I agree that when I get back, I will 817 00:35:54,486 --> 00:35:58,524 get at minimum a part-time job. 818 00:35:58,590 --> 00:35:59,758 Happy? 819 00:35:59,825 --> 00:36:00,759 Yes. 820 00:36:00,826 --> 00:36:03,395 Thank you. 821 00:36:03,462 --> 00:36:06,265 I'm sorry about earlier today. 822 00:36:06,332 --> 00:36:08,834 I just kind of lost it, huh? 823 00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:11,237 It's OK. 824 00:36:11,303 --> 00:36:15,407 I'm sorry I've been consumed with this whole thing. 825 00:36:15,474 --> 00:36:16,408 Come here. 826 00:36:40,432 --> 00:36:42,368 Sam, you left it on. 827 00:36:42,434 --> 00:36:43,469 Oh, come on. 828 00:36:43,535 --> 00:36:44,970 Ugh. 829 00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:49,841 All this talk about murder makes me lose my appetite for meat. 830 00:36:49,908 --> 00:36:51,343 Yum. 831 00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:52,378 Disgusting, babe. 832 00:36:56,648 --> 00:36:58,550 Oh, I think that's him. 833 00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:05,957 Why are you filming them? 834 00:37:06,024 --> 00:37:06,858 Checking the focus. 835 00:37:06,925 --> 00:37:09,495 It hasn't been working lately. 836 00:37:09,561 --> 00:37:11,830 So what do you think of him? 837 00:37:11,897 --> 00:37:13,164 He seems nice enough. 838 00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:16,835 A little bit of a bumpkin, but I think he'll do. 839 00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:34,653 Shoot, the battery's low. 840 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,054 Babe, I thought you said it was charged. 841 00:37:36,121 --> 00:37:36,688 No, I didn't. 842 00:37:36,755 --> 00:37:37,423 Yeah, you did. 843 00:37:37,489 --> 00:37:38,590 I asked you last night. 844 00:37:38,657 --> 00:37:41,560 No, I was talking about your phone, babe. 845 00:37:41,627 --> 00:37:42,294 Forget it. 846 00:37:42,361 --> 00:37:43,028 Where's the car charger? 847 00:37:43,094 --> 00:37:43,995 It should be there. 848 00:37:44,062 --> 00:37:44,896 Where? 849 00:37:44,963 --> 00:37:46,131 In the bag. 850 00:37:46,197 --> 00:37:50,402 Babe, I want to get an establishing shot. 851 00:37:50,469 --> 00:37:51,102 [doorbell] 852 00:37:51,169 --> 00:37:51,703 Oh, shit. 853 00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:52,471 Chad's here. 854 00:37:52,538 --> 00:37:54,306 Just come say hi, OK? 855 00:38:05,183 --> 00:38:05,717 Hey, Chad. 856 00:38:05,784 --> 00:38:06,618 Oh, hey Sam. 857 00:38:06,685 --> 00:38:08,019 We're just running a bit late. 858 00:38:08,086 --> 00:38:08,854 It's OK. 859 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:09,455 Hey, Chad. 860 00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:09,955 How are you? 861 00:38:10,021 --> 00:38:10,656 Good. 862 00:38:10,722 --> 00:38:11,156 How are you doing? 863 00:38:11,222 --> 00:38:11,723 Good. 864 00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:12,324 I'm ready. 865 00:38:12,391 --> 00:38:14,560 All right, cool. 866 00:38:14,626 --> 00:38:15,126 I'm going to go get the rest of the bags. 867 00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:15,861 All right. 868 00:38:15,927 --> 00:38:16,328 We'll wait outside. 869 00:38:16,395 --> 00:38:17,563 OK. 870 00:38:17,629 --> 00:38:18,029 All right, just keep the frame about here. 871 00:38:18,096 --> 00:38:19,631 Got it? 872 00:38:22,934 --> 00:38:25,537 Today, we're getting on the road and heading out, 873 00:38:25,604 --> 00:38:30,008 hoping to be the first to do something no one has ever done. 874 00:38:30,075 --> 00:38:32,511 [laughs] 875 00:38:32,578 --> 00:38:34,145 That's it. 876 00:38:34,212 --> 00:38:35,246 What? 877 00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:36,748 That's where Andrew Cunanan, quote 878 00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:40,051 and unquote serial killer, shot and killed Gianni Versace back 879 00:38:40,118 --> 00:38:41,152 in July of '97. 880 00:38:41,219 --> 00:38:43,121 Why quote unquote? 881 00:38:43,188 --> 00:38:45,090 Well, I don't know. 882 00:38:45,156 --> 00:38:47,125 Actually, he can say he's a serial killer 883 00:38:47,192 --> 00:38:48,394 because he does have an MO. 884 00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:50,061 He targeted gay males. 885 00:38:50,128 --> 00:38:50,829 MO? 886 00:38:50,896 --> 00:38:52,197 Yeah, modus operandi. 887 00:38:52,263 --> 00:38:53,699 It means a distinct pattern or method of operation 888 00:38:53,765 --> 00:38:57,068 which indicates or suggests the work of a single criminal 889 00:38:57,135 --> 00:38:58,504 in more than one crime. 890 00:38:58,570 --> 00:39:00,005 Oh, OK. 891 00:39:00,071 --> 00:39:02,574 Of all the ones I've studied, he's the least interesting. 892 00:39:02,641 --> 00:39:04,042 Why is that? 893 00:39:04,109 --> 00:39:05,477 The definition of a serial killer 894 00:39:05,544 --> 00:39:08,013 is defined as one who has killed over three people in more 895 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:09,948 than one month's time with breaks in between, 896 00:39:10,015 --> 00:39:11,282 like a cooling down period. 897 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:14,486 It's usually to fulfill some form of gratification. 898 00:39:14,553 --> 00:39:16,555 Cunanan seemed to be more of a jaded lover impulse 899 00:39:16,622 --> 00:39:17,188 type of killer. 900 00:39:17,255 --> 00:39:18,390 Nothing more. 901 00:39:30,636 --> 00:39:34,640 Hey, do you mind if I smoke? 902 00:39:34,706 --> 00:39:36,575 No, just open the window. 903 00:39:36,642 --> 00:39:37,443 OK. 904 00:39:37,509 --> 00:39:39,711 Actually, I'd rather you didn't. 905 00:39:39,778 --> 00:39:40,546 We'll stop soon. 906 00:39:40,612 --> 00:39:42,047 I thought you hated smoke. 907 00:39:42,113 --> 00:39:43,915 Well, he needs to, Sam. 908 00:39:43,982 --> 00:39:44,550 Needs to? 909 00:39:44,616 --> 00:39:45,417 Who needs to? 910 00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:47,018 Hey, here's a question for you. 911 00:39:47,085 --> 00:39:48,687 Habit or addiction? 912 00:39:48,754 --> 00:39:50,121 Is there a difference? 913 00:39:50,188 --> 00:39:51,423 Yeah. 914 00:39:51,490 --> 00:39:52,458 One you do because you're accustomed to doing so, 915 00:39:52,524 --> 00:39:55,961 and the other you just can't quit. 916 00:39:56,027 --> 00:39:57,228 Both, I guess. . 917 00:39:57,295 --> 00:39:58,564 Think about it. 918 00:39:58,630 --> 00:40:01,099 Well, I mean, both. 919 00:40:01,166 --> 00:40:04,135 I guess that I've gotten used to the habit 920 00:40:04,202 --> 00:40:05,604 and that I'm addicted to it. 921 00:40:05,671 --> 00:40:08,607 Well, tobacco industry to me is the biggest serial killer 922 00:40:08,674 --> 00:40:09,441 in the world. 923 00:40:09,508 --> 00:40:11,543 Actually, they have no MO. 924 00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:14,012 They're not predisposed to a particular person. 925 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,114 Therefore, it goes against what most serial killers-- 926 00:40:59,257 --> 00:41:00,358 We don't know. 927 00:41:00,425 --> 00:41:01,727 That's what we're hoping to find out. 928 00:41:26,284 --> 00:41:28,720 You never hear of the one who just people out in the middle 929 00:41:28,787 --> 00:41:31,189 of nowhere for dead, you know? 930 00:41:31,256 --> 00:41:32,524 Think about it. 931 00:41:32,591 --> 00:41:34,693 How many people could actually survive out here? 932 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,194 Yeah, but where's the rush? 933 00:41:36,261 --> 00:41:38,830 It's the up-close and personal aspect which gets them off. 934 00:41:38,897 --> 00:41:40,331 It's inflicting the pain and the fear 935 00:41:40,398 --> 00:41:41,800 in their victims which excites them. 936 00:41:41,867 --> 00:41:44,570 How exciting would it be for them to just open the door, 937 00:41:44,636 --> 00:41:46,838 push them out, and yell, see you later? 938 00:41:46,905 --> 00:41:47,973 I'm just saying, Sam. 939 00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:49,708 Yeah, I could see the headlines now. 940 00:41:49,775 --> 00:41:51,610 The serial abandoner at large. 941 00:41:51,677 --> 00:41:52,343 That'd be great. 942 00:41:52,410 --> 00:41:55,847 Wow, you're an ass. 943 00:41:55,914 --> 00:41:57,849 Chad, you don't have to film everything. 944 00:41:57,916 --> 00:41:59,585 Just turn it off, please. 945 00:41:59,651 --> 00:42:02,621 The batteries run out. 946 00:42:02,688 --> 00:42:04,856 So the saga begins. 947 00:42:04,923 --> 00:42:06,692 What the hell could they be talking about? 948 00:42:09,728 --> 00:42:10,629 Oh boy. 949 00:42:20,305 --> 00:42:21,640 I think he'll be all right. 950 00:42:21,707 --> 00:42:23,108 What was that about? 951 00:42:23,174 --> 00:42:23,742 Come on, Sam. 952 00:42:23,809 --> 00:42:24,910 What do think? 953 00:42:24,976 --> 00:42:26,244 He's in the car with two strangers who 954 00:42:26,311 --> 00:42:28,680 spend most of their time talking about killers murdering 955 00:42:28,747 --> 00:42:30,381 innocent and unsuspecting people. 956 00:42:30,448 --> 00:42:31,082 What do you expect? 957 00:42:31,149 --> 00:42:32,283 He's freaked out. 958 00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:34,085 Wait, he doesn't think we killed people. 959 00:42:34,152 --> 00:42:34,920 I don't know. 960 00:42:34,986 --> 00:42:36,287 Just give me your license. 961 00:42:36,354 --> 00:42:36,755 For what? 962 00:42:36,822 --> 00:42:37,623 Why? 963 00:42:37,689 --> 00:42:40,091 Just give me your license, Sam. 964 00:42:40,158 --> 00:42:41,259 Oh my god. 965 00:42:41,326 --> 00:42:42,594 This is unbelievable. 966 00:42:46,865 --> 00:42:48,099 So? 967 00:42:48,166 --> 00:42:49,300 He faxed our licenses. 968 00:42:49,367 --> 00:42:50,769 He faxed our fucking licenses? 969 00:42:50,836 --> 00:42:51,402 To who? 970 00:42:51,469 --> 00:42:52,170 I don't know. 971 00:42:52,237 --> 00:42:53,371 A friend or something. 972 00:42:53,438 --> 00:42:54,239 Wow, this is too funny. 973 00:42:54,305 --> 00:42:55,774 Well, what do you care, Sam? 974 00:42:55,841 --> 00:42:56,942 Plus, it was your idea. 975 00:42:57,008 --> 00:42:58,109 If it makes him feel more comfortable, 976 00:42:58,176 --> 00:42:58,610 what's the big deal? 977 00:42:58,677 --> 00:42:59,878 What? 978 00:42:59,945 --> 00:43:00,612 Since when were you so concerned about a guy 979 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:01,379 being more comfortable? 980 00:43:01,446 --> 00:43:04,315 You know what I mean. 981 00:43:04,382 --> 00:43:05,383 You OK? 982 00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:06,384 We check out? 983 00:43:06,451 --> 00:43:07,285 Yeah. 984 00:43:07,352 --> 00:43:08,654 Can I get my license back now? 985 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:09,855 Yeah, man. 986 00:43:09,921 --> 00:43:10,789 Boo! 987 00:43:10,856 --> 00:43:12,323 Shit, Sam! 988 00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:14,860 I'm sorry about that, Chad. 989 00:43:14,926 --> 00:43:15,827 No, not funny. 990 00:43:15,894 --> 00:43:19,197 Let's just go. 991 00:43:19,264 --> 00:43:24,269 Hey, Chad, I'm really sorry about that back there. 992 00:43:24,335 --> 00:43:25,136 I really am. 993 00:43:25,203 --> 00:43:27,839 And I was just playing with you. 994 00:43:27,906 --> 00:43:30,341 Besides, if we really were who you think we might have been, 995 00:43:30,408 --> 00:43:31,442 most serial killers tend to work alone. 996 00:43:31,509 --> 00:43:32,477 They rarely work as a team. 997 00:43:32,543 --> 00:43:35,346 Though there have been some cases. 998 00:43:35,413 --> 00:43:37,115 I'm trying to make the situation better. 999 00:43:37,182 --> 00:43:38,216 I'm just saying. 1000 00:43:38,283 --> 00:43:39,417 Guys, it's OK. 1001 00:43:39,484 --> 00:43:41,419 What he's trying to say is that tandem killings 1002 00:43:41,486 --> 00:43:42,620 are too much risk. 1003 00:43:42,688 --> 00:43:45,356 David Alan Gore and his cousin, Fred Waterfield, 1004 00:43:45,423 --> 00:43:46,725 they were a tandem in Vero Beach. 1005 00:43:46,792 --> 00:43:49,928 But with a pair, they're usually much easier to catch. 1006 00:43:49,995 --> 00:43:51,697 One party dominates the weaker party. 1007 00:43:51,763 --> 00:43:53,231 And when the weaker party gets caught, 1008 00:43:53,298 --> 00:43:54,700 he usually rats out the other one. 1009 00:43:54,766 --> 00:43:57,302 That's exactly what happened when Gore got caught and ratted 1010 00:43:57,368 --> 00:43:58,269 out his cousin, Fred. 1011 00:43:58,336 --> 00:43:59,337 Yeah. 1012 00:43:59,404 --> 00:44:00,638 There's also the Hillside Strangers. 1013 00:44:00,706 --> 00:44:03,308 Got two cousins, Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianchi. 1014 00:44:03,374 --> 00:44:05,711 Murdered girls in the Hollywood Hills out in LA. 1015 00:44:05,777 --> 00:44:07,445 You also have the Carsons. 1016 00:44:07,512 --> 00:44:09,280 Michael Carson and Suzan Carson, who 1017 00:44:09,347 --> 00:44:11,249 killed people that they believed to be witches. 1018 00:44:11,316 --> 00:44:13,852 Yeah, gave a whole new meaning to the witch trials. 1019 00:44:13,919 --> 00:44:15,353 Oh, there's also the Houston Murders. 1020 00:44:15,420 --> 00:44:19,858 Oh, yeah, that case is rare because you had three killers. 1021 00:44:19,925 --> 00:44:24,395 The leader was Dean Corll, then you had David Brooks. 1022 00:44:24,462 --> 00:44:25,496 What's the name of this guy? 1023 00:44:25,563 --> 00:44:25,964 I always forget him. 1024 00:44:26,031 --> 00:44:26,597 Elmer-- 1025 00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:27,232 Elmer Henley. 1026 00:44:27,298 --> 00:44:28,066 --Henley, yes. 1027 00:44:28,133 --> 00:44:29,600 Consequently killed Corll. 1028 00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:30,902 And most recently, you had the Beltway Sniper with John Allen 1029 00:44:33,939 --> 00:44:35,741 Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo. 1030 00:44:35,807 --> 00:44:38,443 But in all, most serial killers tend to work alone. 1031 00:44:38,509 --> 00:44:41,446 Tend to be white male, single, above average intelligence. 1032 00:44:44,816 --> 00:44:46,752 Anyway, it'd be pretty sick if we lured you 1033 00:44:46,818 --> 00:44:49,287 out here with the intention of wanting to kill you. 1034 00:44:49,354 --> 00:44:51,256 That's actually the basis of our documentary. 1035 00:44:51,322 --> 00:44:53,291 Are these people sick, or is it a sickness? 1036 00:44:58,897 --> 00:44:59,798 Stay in this lane. 1037 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,175 What happened here? 1038 00:45:10,241 --> 00:45:12,811 Remember when I mentioned Gore and his cousin, Fred? 1039 00:45:12,878 --> 00:45:14,345 Yeah. 1040 00:45:14,412 --> 00:45:17,248 This is where they killed and buried a few of their victims. 1041 00:45:17,315 --> 00:45:20,718 [birds flying] 1042 00:45:22,287 --> 00:45:23,822 Think it's their ghosts? 1043 00:45:23,889 --> 00:45:25,857 Shut up. 1044 00:45:25,924 --> 00:45:28,326 Oh my god! 1045 00:45:28,393 --> 00:45:30,295 [inaudible] 1046 00:45:30,361 --> 00:45:34,299 Told you this was a bad idea, Sam! 1047 00:45:34,365 --> 00:45:35,466 Gore pretended to be a cop. 1048 00:45:35,533 --> 00:45:36,667 That's how he got them all. 1049 00:45:36,734 --> 00:45:38,569 Played on their believe that cops were there 1050 00:45:38,636 --> 00:45:39,805 to protect them all. 1051 00:45:39,871 --> 00:45:41,006 And that's just it. 1052 00:45:41,072 --> 00:45:41,873 It's the people you least likely expect 1053 00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:43,108 that can be the most dangerous. 1054 00:45:43,174 --> 00:45:45,443 Bundy wore cast and pretended to be hurt. 1055 00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:47,045 Won over their better sense of judgment. 1056 00:45:51,582 --> 00:45:52,517 (WHISPERING) No. 1057 00:45:52,583 --> 00:45:54,019 Keep that with me. 1058 00:48:08,619 --> 00:48:11,522 There you go. 1059 00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:12,490 I love you, babe. 1060 00:48:28,806 --> 00:48:29,540 Hey. 1061 00:48:29,607 --> 00:48:30,441 Hey. 1062 00:48:30,508 --> 00:48:32,177 I got coffee, and guess what? 1063 00:48:32,243 --> 00:48:33,044 What? 1064 00:48:33,111 --> 00:48:33,711 I got cookies. 1065 00:48:33,778 --> 00:48:34,345 Yeah? 1066 00:48:34,412 --> 00:48:34,812 [laughs] Yeah. 1067 00:48:34,879 --> 00:48:35,446 Awesome. 1068 00:48:35,513 --> 00:48:36,181 I got flowers. 1069 00:48:36,247 --> 00:48:38,516 Aw, thank you, babe. 1070 00:48:38,583 --> 00:48:39,284 Yeah. 1071 00:48:39,350 --> 00:48:41,452 Oh, they're beautiful. 1072 00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:42,053 Thank you. 1073 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,221 I love you. 1074 00:48:43,288 --> 00:48:46,524 I love you, too. 1075 00:48:46,591 --> 00:48:47,292 Thank you. 1076 00:48:50,461 --> 00:48:52,230 Have a seat for a second. 1077 00:48:52,297 --> 00:48:53,564 I got you something else. 1078 00:48:53,631 --> 00:48:55,500 What? 1079 00:48:55,566 --> 00:48:57,135 Sit down. 1080 00:48:57,202 --> 00:48:58,203 OK. 1081 00:49:00,838 --> 00:49:02,573 Oh my god. 1082 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,741 What? 1083 00:49:03,808 --> 00:49:09,014 You're not-- right now, Sam? 1084 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,583 Here while we're doing this? 1085 00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:14,452 Just hear me out, OK? 1086 00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:15,486 OK. 1087 00:49:24,195 --> 00:49:32,170 Julie, I love you. 1088 00:49:32,237 --> 00:49:36,541 And I've never met anybody else like you. 1089 00:49:40,645 --> 00:49:46,051 You are the most beautiful person. 1090 00:49:46,117 --> 00:49:48,719 You're my best friend, my lover. 1091 00:49:51,656 --> 00:49:54,459 You've been with me through everything, 1092 00:49:54,525 --> 00:49:57,495 even when my mom passed away. 1093 00:49:57,562 --> 00:50:02,767 And you believe in me, even when I don't. 1094 00:50:09,274 --> 00:50:19,084 Well-- Will you marry me? 1095 00:50:19,150 --> 00:50:19,617 Yes. 1096 00:50:19,684 --> 00:50:21,219 [cries] 1097 00:50:21,286 --> 00:50:22,587 It doesn't fit. 1098 00:50:22,653 --> 00:50:23,554 I know, I'm sorry. 1099 00:50:23,621 --> 00:50:24,622 I just-- 1100 00:50:24,689 --> 00:50:25,590 You don't know my size. 1101 00:50:25,656 --> 00:50:26,624 It's OK. 1102 00:50:32,163 --> 00:50:33,531 I love you. 1103 00:50:33,598 --> 00:50:35,032 I love you, too. 1104 00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:46,644 Oh my god, I'm going to be Mrs. Jenner. 1105 00:50:46,711 --> 00:50:48,113 Yeah. 1106 00:50:48,179 --> 00:50:51,182 [laughs] 1107 00:50:53,718 --> 00:50:54,652 I'm scared I'll lose it. 1108 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:55,420 I'm just going to-- 1109 00:50:55,486 --> 00:50:56,187 Oh, yeah, put it away. 1110 00:50:56,254 --> 00:50:57,688 --put it away in the-- 1111 00:50:57,755 --> 00:50:59,190 I got it. 1112 00:50:59,257 --> 00:51:01,126 Did you leave that thing on? 1113 00:51:01,192 --> 00:51:02,360 Are you recording this? 1114 00:51:02,427 --> 00:51:05,230 Well, it's the best day of my life, babe. 1115 00:51:05,296 --> 00:51:07,632 Mine too. 1116 00:51:07,698 --> 00:51:09,134 Let me make it better. 1117 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,235 You want to make it better? 1118 00:51:10,301 --> 00:51:12,337 I'm going to make it better. 1119 00:51:12,403 --> 00:51:13,838 Can we leave it on? 1120 00:51:13,904 --> 00:51:14,539 Mm-mm. 1121 00:51:14,605 --> 00:51:15,806 Come on. 1122 00:51:15,873 --> 00:51:17,575 No. 1123 00:51:17,642 --> 00:51:18,609 No, no. 1124 00:51:18,676 --> 00:51:19,810 Here. 1125 00:51:19,877 --> 00:51:22,547 I'll put it somewhere safe. 1126 00:51:22,613 --> 00:51:25,816 Ah, man. 1127 00:51:25,883 --> 00:51:29,287 Right there. 1128 00:51:29,354 --> 00:51:30,721 That's good. 1129 00:51:30,788 --> 00:51:33,224 OK. 1130 00:51:33,291 --> 00:51:36,194 Hi, Sam. 1131 00:51:36,261 --> 00:51:38,829 I just wanted to tell you that today, 1132 00:51:38,896 --> 00:51:42,567 you made me the happiest girl in the world, 1133 00:51:42,633 --> 00:51:45,570 that I love you so much, that you mean the world to me, 1134 00:51:45,636 --> 00:51:51,309 and that I can't wait to spend the rest of my life with you. 1135 00:51:51,376 --> 00:51:55,946 I know that sometimes we fight, but in the end, 1136 00:51:56,013 --> 00:51:58,616 we always work it out. 1137 00:51:58,683 --> 00:52:01,652 And it seems that it always brings us closer somehow. 1138 00:52:04,389 --> 00:52:08,726 I want you to know that I believe in you so much. 1139 00:52:08,793 --> 00:52:13,331 I know you already know that, but I'm so proud of you. 1140 00:52:13,398 --> 00:52:15,766 And I know this documentary has been so hard on us, 1141 00:52:15,833 --> 00:52:18,336 but we're making it happen, babe. 1142 00:52:18,403 --> 00:52:20,205 And I know it's going to be great. 1143 00:52:20,271 --> 00:52:21,272 I just know it. 1144 00:52:24,275 --> 00:52:29,614 Well, I don't really know how to say this, 1145 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:37,222 because it looks like we're going to be family, 1146 00:52:37,288 --> 00:52:38,956 because I'm pregnant. 1147 00:52:39,023 --> 00:52:44,395 And I know, well, way to land that one, right? 1148 00:52:44,462 --> 00:52:46,997 I was going to wait until the documentary was done 1149 00:52:47,064 --> 00:52:51,402 to tell you, but that's probably when you'll see it anyway, 1150 00:52:51,469 --> 00:52:52,737 while you're editing. 1151 00:52:52,803 --> 00:52:59,644 But I just want you to feel free to come and tell me 1152 00:52:59,710 --> 00:53:01,646 what you think when you do see this. 1153 00:53:01,712 --> 00:53:03,648 I mean, I'll probably be by your side 1154 00:53:03,714 --> 00:53:07,785 anyway, but just let me know what you think. 1155 00:53:07,852 --> 00:53:08,786 You're going to be a dad. 1156 00:53:08,853 --> 00:53:09,287 And-- 1157 00:53:09,354 --> 00:53:10,288 Babe! 1158 00:53:10,355 --> 00:53:12,690 Yeah? 1159 00:53:12,757 --> 00:53:15,426 That's you. 1160 00:53:15,493 --> 00:53:18,929 Anyway, the point of all this is just to tell you 1161 00:53:18,996 --> 00:53:23,801 that I love you, and I'm so happy to be your wife. 1162 00:53:23,868 --> 00:53:24,835 OK, I love you, Sam. 1163 00:53:31,342 --> 00:53:32,710 Day two since the trip. 1164 00:53:32,777 --> 00:53:33,744 Moving forward. 1165 00:53:59,103 --> 00:54:01,339 Sam, will you please stop that. 1166 00:54:01,406 --> 00:54:02,740 We can't use these people anyway. 1167 00:54:02,807 --> 00:54:04,041 We have no releases. 1168 00:54:04,108 --> 00:54:04,942 Thank you. 1169 00:54:05,009 --> 00:54:06,311 Thank you. 1170 00:54:06,377 --> 00:54:07,011 No, no we got it. 1171 00:54:07,077 --> 00:54:08,212 Oh, no. 1172 00:54:08,279 --> 00:54:09,980 [laughs] Let me take care of it, please. 1173 00:54:10,047 --> 00:54:12,082 I feel really bad about earlier, OK? 1174 00:54:12,149 --> 00:54:14,852 All right, just follow her. 1175 00:54:14,919 --> 00:54:15,920 OK. 1176 00:54:18,155 --> 00:54:19,056 Why? 1177 00:54:19,123 --> 00:54:20,291 You'll see. 1178 00:54:27,798 --> 00:54:28,999 All right, let's go, babe. 1179 00:54:29,066 --> 00:54:29,700 No. 1180 00:54:29,767 --> 00:54:30,868 Come on, just go. 1181 00:54:30,935 --> 00:54:31,336 Come on. 1182 00:54:31,402 --> 00:54:37,875 [sighs] 1183 00:54:37,942 --> 00:54:39,510 Have you done this before? 1184 00:54:39,577 --> 00:54:40,645 Yeah. 1185 00:54:40,711 --> 00:54:41,746 But before you get freaked out, this 1186 00:54:41,812 --> 00:54:43,748 is just an experiment to give you 1187 00:54:43,814 --> 00:54:45,416 a sense of what these people feel, OK? 1188 00:54:51,088 --> 00:54:55,560 Sometimes, I feel like I'm the only sane one. 1189 00:54:55,626 --> 00:54:57,294 Oh god, look at these two. 1190 00:55:00,998 --> 00:55:02,132 Shit. 1191 00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:02,833 [heavy breathing] 1192 00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:03,334 Do you feel that? 1193 00:55:03,401 --> 00:55:03,934 Yeah. 1194 00:55:04,001 --> 00:55:04,535 Feel that rush? 1195 00:55:04,602 --> 00:55:05,169 Oh my goodness. 1196 00:55:05,235 --> 00:55:05,770 You're crazy. 1197 00:55:05,836 --> 00:55:07,572 It's crazy, huh? 1198 00:55:07,638 --> 00:55:08,339 Let's go, babe. 1199 00:55:08,406 --> 00:55:09,039 Let's get out of here. 1200 00:55:09,106 --> 00:55:10,375 That's what I say. 1201 00:55:10,441 --> 00:55:12,977 I think it's a form of gratification [inaudible] 1202 00:55:13,043 --> 00:55:14,512 Another cigarette break. 1203 00:55:14,579 --> 00:55:16,847 OK, so that's it? 1204 00:55:16,914 --> 00:55:18,383 It's all about the thrill. 1205 00:55:18,449 --> 00:55:19,750 No. 1206 00:55:19,817 --> 00:55:21,386 Actually, there are four categories most serial killers 1207 00:55:21,452 --> 00:55:22,453 tend to fall into. 1208 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:23,654 You've got visionary. 1209 00:55:23,721 --> 00:55:25,856 You know, god or the devil told him to do it. 1210 00:55:25,923 --> 00:55:27,492 Or a dog in the case of David Berkowitz. 1211 00:55:27,558 --> 00:55:28,092 [laughs] 1212 00:55:28,158 --> 00:55:29,927 Or a dog. 1213 00:55:29,994 --> 00:55:33,063 A mission oriented [inaudible] in exterminating those 1214 00:55:33,130 --> 00:55:34,965 deemed witches. 1215 00:55:35,032 --> 00:55:37,502 The Unabomber against the government. 1216 00:55:37,568 --> 00:55:38,369 Hedonistic. 1217 00:55:38,436 --> 00:55:39,236 They got pleasure from killing. 1218 00:55:39,303 --> 00:55:41,539 They see people as objects. 1219 00:55:41,606 --> 00:55:43,774 And the power control type, those 1220 00:55:43,841 --> 00:55:47,144 who gain and impose their will and power over their victims. 1221 00:55:47,211 --> 00:55:49,414 I think our guy's probably a power control type, 1222 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,416 but that's just a gut feeling. 1223 00:55:51,482 --> 00:55:52,850 Your guy? 1224 00:55:52,917 --> 00:55:53,784 What? 1225 00:55:53,851 --> 00:55:54,619 Wait. 1226 00:55:54,685 --> 00:55:56,421 What do you mean your guy? 1227 00:55:56,487 --> 00:55:57,955 You didn't tell him, Sam? 1228 00:55:58,022 --> 00:55:58,689 Hold on. 1229 00:55:58,756 --> 00:56:00,024 What didn't you tell me? 1230 00:56:00,090 --> 00:56:02,993 Yeah, we're actually on our way to go meet someone. 1231 00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:03,861 Hey, do me a favor. 1232 00:56:03,928 --> 00:56:05,430 Grab that camera real quick. 1233 00:56:05,496 --> 00:56:07,798 [inaudible] 1234 00:56:07,865 --> 00:56:08,833 You didn't tell him? 1235 00:56:11,636 --> 00:56:12,837 Babe, where's that mix? 1236 00:56:12,903 --> 00:56:17,442 If it's not there, it should be in the back. 1237 00:56:17,508 --> 00:56:19,209 Oh, Chad? 1238 00:56:19,276 --> 00:56:21,446 Yeah? 1239 00:56:21,512 --> 00:56:23,080 You sure you're cool with this? 1240 00:56:23,147 --> 00:56:24,181 I'm sorry that that [inaudible] up. 1241 00:56:24,248 --> 00:56:26,517 But yeah, we're going to go meet some. 1242 00:56:26,584 --> 00:56:27,718 I guess, but Look. 1243 00:56:27,785 --> 00:56:29,019 I'm not going to go in when you do this. 1244 00:56:29,086 --> 00:56:30,187 That just seems too weird. 1245 00:56:30,254 --> 00:56:31,656 I'm not going to go in, either, Chad. 1246 00:56:31,722 --> 00:56:34,124 So we can wait outside, or wherever you feel comfortable, 1247 00:56:34,191 --> 00:56:34,992 OK? 1248 00:56:35,059 --> 00:56:36,193 OK. 1249 00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:37,962 Probably better just in case something happens. 1250 00:56:38,028 --> 00:56:39,163 At least somebody knows. 1251 00:56:39,229 --> 00:56:41,131 Do you think he's real? 1252 00:56:41,198 --> 00:56:42,900 We don't know. 1253 00:56:42,967 --> 00:56:45,135 In a weird way, I kind of hope so. 1254 00:56:45,202 --> 00:56:47,237 But I guess that's what we're going to find out. 1255 00:56:47,304 --> 00:56:49,940 What made you guys think that this guy would 1256 00:56:50,007 --> 00:56:51,075 agree to something like this? 1257 00:56:51,141 --> 00:56:54,479 That just seems kind of risky. 1258 00:56:54,545 --> 00:56:56,146 I see your point, but we got our idea 1259 00:56:56,213 --> 00:56:58,516 from this guy in Russia who's been spending decades 1260 00:56:58,583 --> 00:57:00,017 working with serial killers. 1261 00:57:00,084 --> 00:57:00,518 From Russia? 1262 00:57:00,585 --> 00:57:01,619 Yeah. 1263 00:57:01,686 --> 00:57:03,120 His name's Alexander [inaudible].. 1264 00:57:03,187 --> 00:57:06,190 And he's from this town called Rostov, which at some point, 1265 00:57:06,256 --> 00:57:08,025 was actually considered the serial killer 1266 00:57:08,092 --> 00:57:10,194 capital of the world, which I wanted to go to, but-- 1267 00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:12,597 Which we're definitely not going to. 1268 00:57:12,663 --> 00:57:14,064 Place is crazy expensive. 1269 00:57:14,131 --> 00:57:15,099 We could-- 1270 00:57:56,073 --> 00:57:57,908 --inspiration to our documentary. 1271 00:57:57,975 --> 00:57:59,243 Again, whether it's a sickness or not, 1272 00:57:59,309 --> 00:58:01,679 he argues that every serial killer spent decades 1273 00:58:01,746 --> 00:58:05,215 resisting the urge to kill, that they don't really want to. 1274 00:58:05,282 --> 00:58:06,517 This guy's the expert. 1275 00:58:06,584 --> 00:58:07,952 He's the one that founded the Phoenix Clinic. 1276 00:58:08,018 --> 00:58:11,722 And to prove it, he actually contacted an active killer 1277 00:58:11,789 --> 00:58:14,291 that was at large, and gave us our idea 1278 00:58:14,358 --> 00:58:17,728 that maybe we could do the same. 1279 00:58:17,795 --> 00:58:18,629 So we did. 1280 00:58:18,696 --> 00:58:21,298 So we did. 1281 00:58:21,365 --> 00:58:23,634 Hey, can you see if there's a CD in the back there? 1282 00:58:23,701 --> 00:58:28,005 I'm trying to find it's called a-- 1283 00:58:28,072 --> 00:58:29,506 Now this is posh living. 1284 00:58:32,209 --> 00:58:35,345 Wonder how many times the CSI unit's been in this place. 1285 00:58:35,412 --> 00:58:36,581 What a dump. 1286 00:58:39,316 --> 00:58:42,119 Can't believe you. 1287 00:58:42,186 --> 00:58:44,755 You didn't tell him. 1288 00:58:44,822 --> 00:58:46,691 Why would I? 1289 00:58:46,757 --> 00:58:49,727 Told him about all the other stops we were going to make. 1290 00:58:49,794 --> 00:58:52,597 Think this angle's going to work best here. 1291 00:58:52,663 --> 00:58:54,599 What did you tell him, Sam? 1292 00:58:54,665 --> 00:58:56,667 Said we're filming a documentary on serial killers, 1293 00:58:56,734 --> 00:58:59,003 and then we're on our way to interview someone. 1294 00:58:59,069 --> 00:59:01,271 But you didn't tell him who we were interviewing. 1295 00:59:01,338 --> 00:59:03,641 You didn't even know who. 1296 00:59:03,708 --> 00:59:04,875 What else am I supposed to say? 1297 00:59:04,942 --> 00:59:06,677 Hey, we're on the way to interview someone 1298 00:59:06,744 --> 00:59:08,078 who kills people. 1299 00:59:08,145 --> 00:59:09,680 You're unbelievable. 1300 00:59:12,416 --> 00:59:13,584 OK, go. 1301 00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:17,221 Chad. 1302 00:59:17,287 --> 00:59:18,488 I'm sorry, when you ask a question, 1303 00:59:18,555 --> 00:59:19,790 make it more of a leading type of question. 1304 00:59:19,857 --> 00:59:23,661 Just so when we edit, it comes off more naturally. 1305 00:59:23,728 --> 00:59:26,363 I'll give you an example. 1306 00:59:26,430 --> 00:59:29,166 What makes it so difficult for them to catch? 1307 00:59:29,233 --> 00:59:30,601 What makes them very difficult to catch 1308 00:59:30,668 --> 00:59:34,304 is that they're usually very smart, highly intelligent. 1309 00:59:34,371 --> 00:59:34,939 Cool. 1310 00:59:35,005 --> 00:59:36,240 Try it again. 1311 00:59:36,306 --> 00:59:37,474 OK. 1312 00:59:37,541 --> 00:59:40,645 So what makes them so difficult to catch? 1313 00:59:40,711 --> 00:59:42,079 What makes it very difficult to catch 1314 00:59:42,146 --> 00:59:45,215 is that they're usually very smart, highly intelligent. 1315 00:59:45,282 --> 00:59:46,684 Plan well cover their tracks-- 1316 01:00:04,401 --> 01:00:05,335 [loud slam] 1317 01:00:05,402 --> 01:00:08,806 [screaming] 1318 01:00:21,418 --> 01:00:24,021 --find these people that-- 1319 01:00:24,088 --> 01:00:25,089 Sorry, guys. 1320 01:00:25,155 --> 01:00:27,224 Let me try that again, OK? 1321 01:00:27,291 --> 01:00:29,126 Why does it take so long to catch them? 1322 01:00:29,193 --> 01:00:32,096 And how do they get away with it for so long? 1323 01:00:32,162 --> 01:00:34,398 In the past, it took so long to find these people because 1324 01:00:34,464 --> 01:00:37,802 of poor communications between different state and police 1325 01:00:37,868 --> 01:00:40,404 agencies, which made it a lot easier for serial killers 1326 01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:41,438 to get away. 1327 01:00:41,505 --> 01:00:42,907 And it actually wasn't until Bundy 1328 01:00:42,973 --> 01:00:45,876 was caught that the FBI created what's called the [inaudible].. 1329 01:00:55,385 --> 01:00:59,323 --stations between different states. 1330 01:00:59,389 --> 01:01:00,324 I think that's good. 1331 01:01:00,390 --> 01:01:01,358 OK. 1332 01:01:11,936 --> 01:01:13,437 Anyone could be one, you know? 1333 01:01:13,503 --> 01:01:15,172 Just driving along. 1334 01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:16,173 May be one in the car right now. 1335 01:01:19,476 --> 01:01:21,445 You know what I read the other day? 1336 01:01:21,511 --> 01:01:22,679 That at any given time, there are 1337 01:01:22,747 --> 01:01:26,150 between 20 to 50 active ones in the US alone. 1338 01:01:26,216 --> 01:01:29,887 So could be. 1339 01:01:29,954 --> 01:01:31,388 Hey, where is this guy? 1340 01:01:31,455 --> 01:01:34,424 He said he needed a moment. 1341 01:01:34,491 --> 01:01:36,426 Oh, there he is. 1342 01:01:36,493 --> 01:01:37,194 Perfect. 1343 01:01:37,261 --> 01:01:39,196 What's up, sleepyhead? 1344 01:01:39,263 --> 01:01:39,930 Hey. 1345 01:01:39,997 --> 01:01:41,832 Sorry I got up so late. 1346 01:01:41,899 --> 01:01:43,768 I couldn't sleep last night, guys. 1347 01:01:43,834 --> 01:01:45,235 Oh, that's cool, man. 1348 01:01:45,302 --> 01:01:47,137 We'll get used to it. 1349 01:01:47,204 --> 01:01:48,538 You got to be fucking kidding me. 1350 01:01:48,605 --> 01:01:51,776 Trunk lock is broken, too? 1351 01:01:51,842 --> 01:01:52,810 Jeez. 1352 01:01:57,547 --> 01:01:58,415 What are you doing? 1353 01:01:58,482 --> 01:02:00,885 Hey, babe. 1354 01:02:00,951 --> 01:02:02,319 [inaudible] 1355 01:02:02,386 --> 01:02:04,421 It's what he didn't say that matters. 1356 01:02:04,488 --> 01:02:05,923 What do you mean? 1357 01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:08,325 He said there's a lot of auto theft and vandalism around here 1358 01:02:08,392 --> 01:02:10,260 that he's not surprised. 1359 01:02:10,327 --> 01:02:11,228 No way. 1360 01:02:11,295 --> 01:02:12,329 Yeah. 1361 01:02:12,396 --> 01:02:13,663 Still, we're so close to the freeway. 1362 01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:14,899 He said there's an auto part store down the street. 1363 01:02:14,965 --> 01:02:17,201 So I'm going to go get the tire and stuff. 1364 01:02:17,267 --> 01:02:18,368 OK. 1365 01:02:18,435 --> 01:02:19,469 Did you get the shot for the insurance? 1366 01:02:19,536 --> 01:02:20,237 Yeah. 1367 01:02:20,304 --> 01:02:20,704 Want to check it out? 1368 01:02:20,771 --> 01:02:22,940 Mhm. 1369 01:02:23,007 --> 01:02:23,974 Look. 1370 01:02:27,411 --> 01:02:28,312 [laughs] 1371 01:02:28,378 --> 01:02:29,479 Could you stop? 1372 01:02:29,546 --> 01:02:31,581 I'm bored. 1373 01:02:31,648 --> 01:02:32,817 Want to help? 1374 01:02:32,883 --> 01:02:33,918 No. 1375 01:02:33,984 --> 01:02:35,285 I said to call roadside assistance. 1376 01:02:35,352 --> 01:02:36,153 It'd take too long. 1377 01:02:36,220 --> 01:02:37,287 Where's Chad? 1378 01:02:37,354 --> 01:02:39,223 He went to grab a soda. 1379 01:02:39,289 --> 01:02:40,524 Oh, ask him to get me one. 1380 01:02:40,590 --> 01:02:41,758 He's already gone, babe. 1381 01:02:44,428 --> 01:02:45,262 Would you stop? 1382 01:02:45,329 --> 01:02:50,234 Mmm, look at those sexy hands. 1383 01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:52,436 [laughs] 1384 01:02:52,502 --> 01:02:53,303 No! 1385 01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:55,539 Don't you dare! 1386 01:02:55,605 --> 01:02:56,473 Kick your butt. 1387 01:02:56,540 --> 01:02:57,641 [laughs] 1388 01:02:57,707 --> 01:03:01,311 Hey, what happened with the lock, finally? 1389 01:03:01,378 --> 01:03:02,412 I think we can take it to the deal. 1390 01:03:02,479 --> 01:03:04,414 It's probably covered under warranty. 1391 01:03:04,481 --> 01:03:06,616 Oh, OK. 1392 01:03:06,683 --> 01:03:10,554 Well, I think if anything, you'll just get it insured. 1393 01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:11,755 All right. 1394 01:03:11,822 --> 01:03:13,257 Well either way, we got everything we need. 1395 01:03:13,323 --> 01:03:18,929 So it's just going to be tight in the back for Chad for a bit. 1396 01:03:22,499 --> 01:03:24,268 [laughs] OK. 1397 01:03:24,334 --> 01:03:25,402 I'll stop, I'll stop. 1398 01:03:43,453 --> 01:03:46,623 Marion County, home to the Wuornos Killer. 1399 01:03:46,690 --> 01:03:48,092 Who's she? 1400 01:03:48,158 --> 01:03:50,895 She was actually one of the most famous female serial killers 1401 01:03:50,961 --> 01:03:52,296 of all time. 1402 01:03:52,362 --> 01:03:54,331 They actually made a movie on her called The Monster. 1403 01:03:54,398 --> 01:03:56,901 Yeah, [inaudible] looked like a monster. 1404 01:03:56,967 --> 01:03:58,202 [laughs] 1405 01:03:58,268 --> 01:03:59,069 Too bad we didn't get to interview her before they 1406 01:03:59,136 --> 01:04:00,570 put her to death, huh babe? 1407 01:04:00,637 --> 01:04:01,605 Yeah. 1408 01:04:15,619 --> 01:04:19,056 Oh, yeah, looks like it. 1409 01:04:19,123 --> 01:04:20,590 Hey, think they need a roommate? 1410 01:04:20,657 --> 01:04:23,460 [laughs] Oh god. 1411 01:04:23,527 --> 01:04:25,362 The rent is one finger a month. 1412 01:04:25,429 --> 01:04:26,096 What? 1413 01:04:26,163 --> 01:04:27,297 [laughs] One finger? 1414 01:04:54,424 --> 01:04:59,363 Hottest female college students in the state. 1415 01:04:59,429 --> 01:05:02,366 [laughs] What? 1416 01:05:02,432 --> 01:05:03,600 I'm kidding. 1417 01:05:03,667 --> 01:05:04,301 No, you're not. 1418 01:05:04,368 --> 01:05:05,635 You're messed up. 1419 01:05:05,702 --> 01:05:06,636 Come on, you're my girl. 1420 01:05:06,703 --> 01:05:07,771 You know that? 1421 01:05:07,837 --> 01:05:09,573 How long have you two been together. 1422 01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:11,741 Yeah, Sam, how long have we? 1423 01:05:11,808 --> 01:05:13,077 Oh, you don't think I know? 1424 01:05:13,143 --> 01:05:14,111 No. 1425 01:05:16,046 --> 01:05:17,647 She doesn't think I know. 1426 01:05:17,714 --> 01:05:19,749 It's been six years and four months. 1427 01:05:19,816 --> 01:05:22,419 And it was on a Wednesday. 1428 01:05:22,486 --> 01:05:24,321 How about that? 1429 01:05:24,388 --> 01:05:26,991 You remembered it was on a Wednesday. 1430 01:05:27,057 --> 01:05:28,758 I'm impressed. 1431 01:05:28,825 --> 01:05:30,194 Good. 1432 01:05:30,260 --> 01:05:32,096 Now tell all the ones that are watching he was amazing. 1433 01:05:35,165 --> 01:05:41,005 Sam Jenner is amazing, and I love him. 1434 01:05:41,071 --> 01:05:44,374 [screaming] 1435 01:05:48,645 --> 01:05:51,015 Is this it? 1436 01:05:51,081 --> 01:05:52,349 Yeah. 1437 01:05:52,416 --> 01:05:53,750 August 1990, Danny Rolling entered an apartment, 1438 01:05:53,817 --> 01:05:56,420 and raped two college students before he killed them. 1439 01:05:56,486 --> 01:05:57,721 Not to mention, the following day, 1440 01:05:57,787 --> 01:05:59,789 he hid out in the place of another student's home 1441 01:05:59,856 --> 01:06:01,491 until his victim came home. 1442 01:06:01,558 --> 01:06:03,327 And then he bound her, raped her, and then 1443 01:06:03,393 --> 01:06:04,494 proceeded to decapitate her. 1444 01:06:04,561 --> 01:06:05,662 You got to be kidding me? 1445 01:06:05,729 --> 01:06:06,796 No, that was big news. 1446 01:06:06,863 --> 01:06:07,697 You didn't hear about that? 1447 01:06:07,764 --> 01:06:08,432 Where are you from originally? 1448 01:06:08,498 --> 01:06:09,333 I think that's him. 1449 01:06:09,399 --> 01:06:12,569 All over, but mainly Detroit. 1450 01:06:12,636 --> 01:06:14,804 Yeah, that's him. 1451 01:06:14,871 --> 01:06:16,540 Thanks for waiting. 1452 01:06:16,606 --> 01:06:18,342 Sorry we took so long. 1453 01:06:18,408 --> 01:06:19,376 And what about you? 1454 01:06:19,443 --> 01:06:20,244 Were you scared? 1455 01:06:20,310 --> 01:06:21,411 The whole town was fearful. 1456 01:06:21,478 --> 01:06:23,580 I mean, everyone was out on high alert. 1457 01:06:23,647 --> 01:06:24,881 But that didn't stop him. 1458 01:06:24,948 --> 01:06:28,385 Two nights later, he murdered another student, 1459 01:06:28,452 --> 01:06:32,422 and got her boyfriend, too, who had been there to protect her. 1460 01:06:32,489 --> 01:06:33,723 They say this man, Danny Rollings, 1461 01:06:33,790 --> 01:06:36,726 went on to murder eight people before they finally 1462 01:06:36,793 --> 01:06:39,629 arrested him on burglary charges down south. 1463 01:06:39,696 --> 01:06:40,730 Oh, in-- 1464 01:06:40,797 --> 01:06:43,700 [screaming] 1465 01:07:06,656 --> 01:07:09,426 I just feel like it's hard to be non-biased anymore. 1466 01:07:09,493 --> 01:07:10,760 Why is that? 1467 01:07:10,827 --> 01:07:11,761 These people are sick. 1468 01:07:11,828 --> 01:07:13,263 It's not a sickness. 1469 01:07:13,330 --> 01:07:16,400 And if they are, to me, they should be incarcerated or put 1470 01:07:16,466 --> 01:07:17,634 to death. 1471 01:07:17,701 --> 01:07:19,703 I strongly disagree, Sam. 1472 01:07:19,769 --> 01:07:22,139 What about society's part in all of this? 1473 01:07:22,206 --> 01:07:24,241 That's been a focal point since the beginning. 1474 01:07:24,308 --> 01:07:25,509 What role does that play? 1475 01:07:25,575 --> 01:07:27,544 A lot of these people that we've interviewed 1476 01:07:27,611 --> 01:07:29,613 have come from some pretty tumultuous backgrounds, 1477 01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:31,781 beaten and abused, themselves. 1478 01:07:31,848 --> 01:07:34,684 What about the relationship between childhood victimization 1479 01:07:34,751 --> 01:07:37,621 and/or the observation of these violent acts that 1480 01:07:37,687 --> 01:07:39,156 have led them toward these activities 1481 01:07:39,223 --> 01:07:41,258 and criminally deviant behavior? 1482 01:07:41,325 --> 01:07:42,592 Should society be held accountable? 1483 01:07:42,659 --> 01:07:44,728 You don't think they should be held accountable? 1484 01:07:44,794 --> 01:07:46,696 Were you blaming somebody for being 1485 01:07:46,763 --> 01:07:48,265 exposed to these circumstances? 1486 01:07:48,332 --> 01:07:50,500 I know what you're saying, Julie. 1487 01:07:50,567 --> 01:07:51,835 Oh, Charles Manson. 1488 01:07:51,901 --> 01:07:54,138 He was sold to a waitress for a pitcher of beer 1489 01:07:54,204 --> 01:07:56,806 by his alcoholic mother, and then retrieved days later 1490 01:07:56,873 --> 01:07:57,907 by his uncle. 1491 01:07:57,974 --> 01:07:58,875 Really? 1492 01:07:58,942 --> 01:08:00,110 Well, allegedly. 1493 01:08:00,177 --> 01:08:01,811 And Rolling, who was abused by his father. 1494 01:08:01,878 --> 01:08:03,247 Oh, come on. 1495 01:08:03,313 --> 01:08:04,548 Julie, look. 1496 01:08:04,614 --> 01:08:06,082 Thousands of people are abused by their families. 1497 01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:09,286 It doesn't make them a monster the way Charles was, or Mick, 1498 01:08:09,353 --> 01:08:10,487 or fucking Rolling. 1499 01:08:10,554 --> 01:08:11,455 But there's a pattern. 1500 01:08:11,521 --> 01:08:12,289 Do you see it? 1501 01:08:12,356 --> 01:08:13,223 Do you see my perspective? 1502 01:08:13,290 --> 01:08:13,957 Yes. 1503 01:08:14,023 --> 01:08:15,192 I see your point, Julie. 1504 01:08:15,259 --> 01:08:16,260 But I'm talking about a mindset right now. 1505 01:08:16,326 --> 01:08:18,495 And this is just really hard for me, OK? 1506 01:08:18,562 --> 01:08:19,896 OK, well I'm talking about a mindset, too. 1507 01:08:19,963 --> 01:08:23,200 And it was supposed to be a non-biased documentary. 1508 01:08:23,267 --> 01:08:24,234 Yeah? 1509 01:08:27,904 --> 01:08:29,706 Chad, let's just call it a night, all right? 1510 01:08:29,773 --> 01:08:31,007 Do me a favor. 1511 01:08:31,074 --> 01:08:32,542 When you take the camera, charge the battery. 1512 01:08:54,298 --> 01:08:55,565 Who hasn't? 1513 01:08:55,632 --> 01:08:57,867 Probably the most notorious person in this country. 1514 01:08:57,934 --> 01:08:59,102 Even Rolling admired him. 1515 01:08:59,169 --> 01:09:00,937 Said he wished he had the same fame as Bundy. 1516 01:09:01,004 --> 01:09:02,138 Yeah. 1517 01:09:02,206 --> 01:09:03,707 Not only did he rape and murder his victims, 1518 01:09:03,773 --> 01:09:05,475 but he was also a necrophiliac. 1519 01:09:05,542 --> 01:09:06,510 What's that? 1520 01:09:06,576 --> 01:09:07,811 He had sexual acts with the bodies, 1521 01:09:07,877 --> 01:09:09,246 even when they were dead. 1522 01:09:09,313 --> 01:09:11,681 He would even revisit the bodies after he left them behind. 1523 01:09:11,748 --> 01:09:13,149 Yeah. 1524 01:09:13,217 --> 01:09:14,318 It's been said by many who dealt with him that he's probably 1525 01:09:14,384 --> 01:09:16,720 the most sadistic person they had ever met. 1526 01:09:16,786 --> 01:09:17,787 Listen to this. 1527 01:09:17,854 --> 01:09:19,223 His own defense attorney was quoted 1528 01:09:19,289 --> 01:09:21,858 as saying that he was the very definition of heartless 1529 01:09:21,925 --> 01:09:22,726 and evil. 1530 01:09:22,792 --> 01:09:24,160 Then how did they catch him? 1531 01:09:24,228 --> 01:09:27,764 Well, he was actually caught twice, and escaped twice. 1532 01:09:27,831 --> 01:09:30,900 Once in '77 while serving as his own defense attorney, 1533 01:09:30,967 --> 01:09:33,637 during a recess, he jumped from a second story law library 1534 01:09:33,703 --> 01:09:37,274 and was a fugitive for six days before he was even found. 1535 01:09:37,341 --> 01:09:39,609 But then the real kicker was when he actually escaped 1536 01:09:39,676 --> 01:09:41,311 from within his own jail cell. 1537 01:09:41,378 --> 01:09:44,281 He carved a square foot hole on the ceiling, 1538 01:09:44,348 --> 01:09:47,984 spent six months losing 35 pounds, and crawled out. 1539 01:09:48,051 --> 01:09:51,321 He was gone for nearly 17 hours before anyone even knew. 1540 01:09:51,388 --> 01:09:52,556 Yeah. 1541 01:09:52,622 --> 01:09:53,590 By that time, he made his way to Chicago. 1542 01:09:53,657 --> 01:09:55,024 And a little over a week later, he 1543 01:09:55,091 --> 01:09:59,195 went down to Tallahassee, which is where we're going now. 1544 01:10:13,643 --> 01:10:14,611 OK. 1545 01:10:19,449 --> 01:10:20,684 Think this is the place. 1546 01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:22,118 Who are we meeting now? 1547 01:10:22,185 --> 01:10:24,888 Just some people who were around during the Bundy murders. 1548 01:10:24,954 --> 01:10:26,890 What'd he do again? 1549 01:10:26,956 --> 01:10:29,959 Bundy was responsible for approximately 30 victims 1550 01:10:30,026 --> 01:10:30,927 he says that he killed. 1551 01:10:30,994 --> 01:10:32,762 But many say much more. 1552 01:10:32,829 --> 01:10:37,066 He committed murders in Utah, Idaho, Colorado, Oregon, 1553 01:10:37,133 --> 01:10:39,869 Washington, before he made his way here to Tallahassee. 1554 01:10:39,936 --> 01:10:41,204 Just think. 1555 01:10:41,271 --> 01:10:42,506 If those people would have done their jobs back 1556 01:10:42,572 --> 01:10:43,273 in Utah and Washington, none of these poor people 1557 01:10:43,340 --> 01:10:45,342 would have had to die. 1558 01:10:45,409 --> 01:10:46,510 Well, let me rephrase that. 1559 01:10:46,576 --> 01:10:48,312 They just would have kept him in jail. 1560 01:10:48,378 --> 01:10:50,046 Why would they let him out? 1561 01:10:50,113 --> 01:10:51,515 They didn't technically let him out. 1562 01:10:51,581 --> 01:10:55,985 He was sentenced to 15 years in jail for a murder in '76, 1563 01:10:56,052 --> 01:10:58,054 but he had also committed murder in Colorado. 1564 01:10:58,121 --> 01:10:59,856 And so he was waived extradition. 1565 01:10:59,923 --> 01:11:01,591 When he was sent there to stand trial, 1566 01:11:01,658 --> 01:11:03,327 he escaped from the jail. 1567 01:11:03,393 --> 01:11:04,060 All right, let's go. 1568 01:11:04,127 --> 01:11:04,894 They're waiting for us. 1569 01:11:04,961 --> 01:11:05,929 All right. 1570 01:11:09,933 --> 01:11:14,638 OK, do you guys mind taking it from the beginning 1571 01:11:14,704 --> 01:11:15,839 of the recollection of your memory? 1572 01:11:15,905 --> 01:11:18,375 I'm not really comfortable on the camera. 1573 01:11:18,442 --> 01:11:18,975 Oh. 1574 01:11:19,042 --> 01:11:20,310 OK, no worries. 1575 01:11:20,377 --> 01:11:22,946 Sam, can you just make sure you don't, you know. 1576 01:11:23,012 --> 01:11:24,013 Thanks. 1577 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,649 And thank you so much for being here. 1578 01:11:25,715 --> 01:11:27,116 OK. 1579 01:11:27,183 --> 01:11:35,692 Well, it was winter, 1978, early in the morning on January 15th. 1580 01:11:35,759 --> 01:11:37,361 He entered that sorority house. 1581 01:11:37,427 --> 01:11:38,895 The Chi Omega house, right? 1582 01:11:38,962 --> 01:11:40,730 Yeah, I believe that's the one. 1583 01:11:40,797 --> 01:11:43,767 He entered through the rear door. 1584 01:11:43,833 --> 01:11:46,970 Then he proceeded to bludgeon four students, 1585 01:11:47,036 --> 01:11:51,875 of which two of them, he strangled after he killed them. 1586 01:11:51,941 --> 01:11:55,979 Crazy thing is that the whole thing only took 15 minutes. 1587 01:11:56,045 --> 01:12:00,083 And it was done within earshot of 30 potential witnesses. 1588 01:12:00,149 --> 01:12:03,019 No one heard a thing. 1589 01:12:03,086 --> 01:12:07,090 Then he proceeded three blocks south from here, 1590 01:12:07,156 --> 01:12:11,661 where we sit, broke into another apartment, 1591 01:12:11,728 --> 01:12:12,896 took the life of another. 1592 01:12:12,962 --> 01:12:16,966 Did you know anybody in the apartment complex? 1593 01:12:17,033 --> 01:12:19,769 No, but my daughter was friendly with a lot of the students. 1594 01:12:22,472 --> 01:12:25,442 About a month later, they arrested him in Pensacola 1595 01:12:25,509 --> 01:12:28,144 because the car he was driving was stolen. 1596 01:12:28,211 --> 01:12:31,715 Wow, you'd think that they'd arrest him because they finally 1597 01:12:31,781 --> 01:12:34,984 caught onto him. 1598 01:12:35,051 --> 01:12:39,022 Most folks around here just can't forget about them days. 1599 01:12:42,058 --> 01:12:45,995 How come you never mentioned the victims' names? 1600 01:12:46,062 --> 01:12:48,064 Because the families have been through enough. 1601 01:12:48,131 --> 01:12:49,533 They are the victims. 1602 01:12:57,941 --> 01:13:00,009 Give me the camera. 1603 01:13:00,076 --> 01:13:01,010 Stay there. 1604 01:13:04,047 --> 01:13:07,484 [sobbing] 1605 01:13:09,018 --> 01:13:10,454 What is it? 1606 01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,922 Chad, stay there, please. 1607 01:13:12,989 --> 01:13:16,225 [screaming] 1608 01:13:16,292 --> 01:13:19,863 [sobbing] 1609 01:13:27,837 --> 01:13:28,772 You know what? 1610 01:13:28,838 --> 01:13:29,773 That's fucking it. 1611 01:13:35,812 --> 01:13:36,913 Come on, Sam. 1612 01:13:36,980 --> 01:13:38,047 You don't have to go through with this. 1613 01:13:38,114 --> 01:13:40,750 Please, let's just go back to Miami. 1614 01:13:40,817 --> 01:13:41,885 You don't have to do it, babe. 1615 01:13:41,951 --> 01:13:43,219 You don't have to do this interview. 1616 01:13:43,286 --> 01:13:45,555 I don't want to have to deal with this guy, please. 1617 01:13:45,622 --> 01:13:46,790 No. 1618 01:13:46,856 --> 01:13:47,390 We can't go home What if he comes to find us? 1619 01:13:47,457 --> 01:13:48,257 Then what, Sam? 1620 01:13:48,324 --> 01:13:49,859 Then we'll just call the police. 1621 01:13:49,926 --> 01:13:50,760 Look, I've got to go. 1622 01:13:50,827 --> 01:13:53,763 Someone's got to see his face. 1623 01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:54,531 You're serious. 1624 01:13:54,598 --> 01:13:55,999 Yes, OK? 1625 01:13:56,065 --> 01:13:57,333 I couldn't live with myself if we had the chance to get 1626 01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,769 someone like this off the street, and we don't. 1627 01:13:59,836 --> 01:14:00,904 He could kill someone else. 1628 01:14:00,970 --> 01:14:03,006 Someone's brother, sister, whatever. 1629 01:14:03,072 --> 01:14:05,542 What if this guy is the next Bundy? 1630 01:14:05,609 --> 01:14:07,944 If I could just see his face, I'll no what he looks like. 1631 01:14:08,011 --> 01:14:09,045 And then I'll call the cops. 1632 01:14:09,112 --> 01:14:11,515 That's stupid. 1633 01:14:11,581 --> 01:14:13,783 I think I'd have to agree with Julie. 1634 01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:15,018 No, OK? 1635 01:14:15,084 --> 01:14:15,652 You'll be there. 1636 01:14:15,719 --> 01:14:17,186 You both will. 1637 01:14:17,253 --> 01:14:18,688 You'll be outside, and he'll know. 1638 01:14:18,755 --> 01:14:21,791 He'd have to be stupid to try and do something with all of us 1639 01:14:21,858 --> 01:14:23,527 there. 1640 01:14:23,593 --> 01:14:26,530 Besides, I'll just text you guys when I'm there, 1641 01:14:26,596 --> 01:14:28,532 and let you know when I see him. 1642 01:14:28,598 --> 01:14:30,233 Call the cops. 1643 01:14:30,299 --> 01:14:34,103 What makes you think he's going to let you see his face? 1644 01:14:34,170 --> 01:14:35,605 I don't know. 1645 01:14:35,672 --> 01:14:37,807 At least I'll get a sense of what he looks like, you know? 1646 01:14:37,874 --> 01:14:38,975 His size, and shape, and shit. 1647 01:14:39,042 --> 01:14:40,877 Sam, you just don't get it. 1648 01:14:40,944 --> 01:14:42,812 These people are dangerous. 1649 01:14:42,879 --> 01:14:44,280 Honestly, ever since that letter came in, 1650 01:14:44,347 --> 01:14:46,616 I can't stop looking over my shoulder. 1651 01:14:46,683 --> 01:14:48,952 I don't want to live like this anymore, Sam. 1652 01:14:49,018 --> 01:14:50,086 I'm scared all the time. 1653 01:14:50,153 --> 01:14:50,820 Please! 1654 01:14:50,887 --> 01:14:52,822 That's exactly my point. 1655 01:14:52,889 --> 01:14:54,591 I don't be scared either, OK? 1656 01:14:54,658 --> 01:14:55,892 I don't want to be looking over my fucking shoulder 1657 01:14:55,959 --> 01:14:56,926 all my life. 1658 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:11,608 Are you nervous? 1659 01:15:14,711 --> 01:15:16,079 What do you think? 1660 01:15:16,145 --> 01:15:18,615 Dude, what if the cell phone reception is bad up there? 1661 01:15:18,682 --> 01:15:20,850 Chad, you're not helping. 1662 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,256 Fuck, I can't see shit. 1663 01:15:27,323 --> 01:15:29,158 Fuck is this thing? 1664 01:15:29,225 --> 01:15:32,228 Actually, the cell phone reception isn't that bad here. 1665 01:15:32,295 --> 01:15:34,230 There we go. 1666 01:15:34,297 --> 01:15:38,001 Yeah, I can see why he'd want to meet here. 1667 01:15:38,067 --> 01:15:40,003 I don't see anyone. 1668 01:15:40,069 --> 01:15:41,270 Yeah, me neither. 1669 01:15:45,709 --> 01:15:47,376 All right, babe. 1670 01:15:47,443 --> 01:15:50,279 I'm going in. 1671 01:15:50,346 --> 01:15:52,148 Look, I'm going to text you if I see anyone. 1672 01:15:52,215 --> 01:15:55,018 Just call the cops, yell fire, do 1673 01:15:55,084 --> 01:15:57,020 whatever you got to do to get them out here, OK? 1674 01:15:57,086 --> 01:15:58,187 Yeah. 1675 01:15:58,254 --> 01:16:00,056 All right, I love you. 1676 01:16:00,123 --> 01:16:01,557 I love you, too. 1677 01:17:36,185 --> 01:17:37,153 Hello? 1678 01:18:09,185 --> 01:18:12,421 [metal clank] 1679 01:18:12,488 --> 01:18:14,390 (WHISPERING) What the fuck was that? 1680 01:18:46,455 --> 01:18:50,059 [rattling] 1681 01:19:29,432 --> 01:19:30,366 Julie! 1682 01:19:30,433 --> 01:19:31,400 Chad! 1683 01:19:36,940 --> 01:19:37,907 (WHISPERING) The fuck? 1684 01:19:41,410 --> 01:19:42,378 Oh, shit. 1685 01:19:46,916 --> 01:19:50,319 [grunting] 1686 01:19:51,420 --> 01:19:53,857 Come on! 1687 01:19:53,923 --> 01:20:05,835 Open, stupid-- Damn it! 1688 01:20:15,378 --> 01:20:18,647 Come on! 1689 01:20:18,714 --> 01:20:19,883 Oh, shit! 1690 01:20:28,357 --> 01:20:30,459 [leaves breaking] 1691 01:20:30,526 --> 01:20:31,627 What the fuck's going on, man? 1692 01:20:31,694 --> 01:20:32,495 Where's Julie? 1693 01:20:32,561 --> 01:20:33,429 She went in to look for you! 1694 01:20:33,496 --> 01:20:33,897 What? 1695 01:20:33,963 --> 01:20:34,497 Yes! 1696 01:20:34,563 --> 01:20:35,064 Maybe he's here! 1697 01:20:35,131 --> 01:20:35,564 Call 911! 1698 01:20:35,631 --> 01:20:36,900 What? 1699 01:20:40,703 --> 01:20:43,306 Julie! 1700 01:20:43,372 --> 01:20:44,340 Julie! 1701 01:20:49,345 --> 01:20:51,247 Julie! 1702 01:20:51,314 --> 01:20:52,548 Julie, you in here? 1703 01:20:56,285 --> 01:20:58,521 Julie! 1704 01:20:58,587 --> 01:21:01,190 Julie, you in here? 1705 01:21:01,257 --> 01:21:02,191 Julie! 1706 01:21:02,258 --> 01:21:03,459 I'm coming, baby! 1707 01:21:03,526 --> 01:21:04,961 I'm coming, Julie! 1708 01:21:05,028 --> 01:21:06,595 Julie, where you at? 1709 01:21:06,662 --> 01:21:07,196 Julie! 1710 01:21:07,263 --> 01:21:08,231 [screaming] 1711 01:21:08,297 --> 01:21:09,132 I'm here, baby. 1712 01:21:09,198 --> 01:21:11,367 I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. 1713 01:21:11,434 --> 01:21:12,335 Fuck! 1714 01:21:12,401 --> 01:21:13,536 I'm here, baby. 1715 01:21:13,602 --> 01:21:14,470 The fuck? 1716 01:21:14,537 --> 01:21:15,471 I'm so sorry. 1717 01:21:15,538 --> 01:21:16,472 [bang] 1718 01:21:16,539 --> 01:21:18,975 [sobbing] 1719 01:21:19,042 --> 01:21:22,411 [beep] 1720 01:21:24,513 --> 01:21:27,951 [sobbing] 1721 01:21:48,437 --> 01:21:51,907 [camera noise] 1722 01:22:01,450 --> 01:22:04,653 [groaning] 1723 01:22:44,327 --> 01:22:44,960 [slap] 1724 01:22:45,028 --> 01:22:48,531 [heavy breathing] 1725 01:22:55,604 --> 01:23:05,581 [muffled screaming] 1726 01:23:05,648 --> 01:23:11,987 [muffled screaming] 1727 01:23:16,792 --> 01:23:17,826 (MUFFLED) You little bitch! 1728 01:23:17,893 --> 01:23:19,828 [inaudible] pussy! 1729 01:23:19,895 --> 01:23:23,799 You're a fucking pussy! 1730 01:23:23,866 --> 01:23:25,468 Fuck you, man! 1731 01:23:25,534 --> 01:23:26,535 Fuck you! 1732 01:23:33,542 --> 01:23:36,779 [beating noise] 1733 01:23:56,465 --> 01:23:59,702 [camera noise] 1734 01:24:11,914 --> 01:24:15,818 Investigators have been unable to locate Chad Miller. 1735 01:24:15,884 --> 01:24:17,620 He remains a person of interest. 1736 01:24:22,858 --> 01:24:27,596 [music playing] 107226

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