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What are you doing?

Making sure it works.

It better work.

It's brand new.

Where's the old camera?

It's in the office.

I'm downloading the last two interviews.

I think we should stick with this one, though.

It's got better quality and sound.

Stop filming me, Sam.

See.

[laughs] Heard that perfectly.

Seriously?

[laughs]

Come on, turn it off.

I'm super hungry.

You promised you'd make my crepes today.

All right, all right.

Hey, I'm going to re-shoot the opening intro, OK?

All right.

Hi.

My name is Sam Jenner.

I'm a behavioral psychology student here in Miami, Florida.

Through my studies, I discovered passion for serial killers,

and that's what this documentary's about.

It's actually trying to discover whether or not

these killers have a sickness, or are they sick.

So I hope you enjoy.

The death walk.

Some of the most notorious serial killers of all time.

Each of them-- oh, shit.

What's that word?

The death wall.

Some of the most notorious serial killers of all time.

Each one of them unique in their own way.

John Wayne Gacy, a.k.a.

the clown killer.

Responsible for the deaths of admitted 33 young boys and men.

Buried most of them under his home in a crawl space.

David Berkowitz, a.k.a.

Son of Sam.

Shot and killed six people, wounded seven.

The Zodiac Killer, identity for certain unknown.

Five deaths have been known.

Dennis Lynn Rader, a.k.a.

the BTK killer for his penchant of binding,

torturing, and killing his victims.

He, like the Zodiac Killer and Berkowitz,

taunted police with letters.

Then, of course, there was Ted Bundy, a.k.a.--

well actually, he had no nickname.

But by far one of the most notorious killers of all time.

He lead a murderous rampage across the country,

including here in Florida, where he murdered several college

students.

He was eventually arrested and executed here.

Jeffrey Dahmer, a.k.a.

The Milwaukee Monster, most notably

known for cannibalizing his victims.

Aileen Wuornos.

A rare female, and one of our very

own here in the state of Florida.

All right, that was good.

Julie and I have spent over a year

working on our documentary, Sickness or Sick.

We've interviewed half a dozen serial killers

who sit behind bars.

However, six months ago, we decided

to seek a real life active serial killer, one

who still possesses that killer instinct which

hasn't been lost through the years of captivity

like a caged lion.

We've been blogging internet sites, posting ads

anywhere and everywhere.

Truth be told, we weren't, and I guess, still

aren't very optimistic.

But last night, we got a call from a guy

who claims to be real.

Said we should pay attention to the newspapers.

The rally times, to be exact.

He said he will prove this to us.

And we haven't gotten many calls,

and sounds like another loony to me.

But we'll see.

[side conversations]

Alex, dance with your balloon!

[cheering]

You guys ready for cake?

Yes.

Mommy, you cut it for me.

Hey, Andrea, did you know that today

is Uncle Sam's birthday, too?

Say happy birthday, Uncle Sam.

Happy birthday, Uncle Sam.

Happy birthday.

How about a piece for you?

Oh, and I got it all over my hand, of course.

[inaudible]

[inaudible], you want some?

Anybody else need cake?

Use your spoon, OK?

Oh my god.

Anybody else want any?

We got plenty here.

Please eat it.

Happy birthday.

Go get him!

Go get him!

Go get him!

Go get him!

Oh, what's going on here?

Go get him!

[laughter]

Oh my god, I'm getting dizzy just watching you.

I think I'm going down!

I'm going down!

Oh, no!

Oh, no!

Careful, Sam.

Be careful, Sam.

I got one!

I got one!

[inaudible]

[screaming]

[laughter]

[sobbing]

Oh my god, I'm so exhausted from these kids today.

[laughs] I know, [inaudible] were running so much.

God, I feel like I'm 80.

You did like three laps around the pool.

[knocking]

Surprise!

[cheering]

Happy birthday, man!

Get your ass in here.

Happy birthday, man!

Happy birthday, babe.

Oh, what's this?

A new birthday present?

Don't.

Be careful with the camera, please.

Let me see this.

[side conversations]

Come on, man.

There we go.

[inaudible]

Cheers to you, man.

Thank you, liar.

Of course, brother.

Come on, man.

[cheering]

[side conversations]

Yeah!

Chug, chug, chug, chug, chug chug!

I have to save that, uh--

It better be good.

I'm ready to eat!

[cheering]

You're ready to drink!

You're ready to drink!

Yes!

Shots!

Yeah!

Let's see.

What do we got?

Jessica, say something for the birthday boy.

Come on!

Hi.

I'll make a quick toast to a great birthday, a great year,

and a great friend.

Sam, I wish you nothing but the best on your birthday.

And love you guys.

All right, and Tyler?

Happy birthday.

Eh, nobody gives a fuck about you, Tyler.

[laughter]

Come on.

Michelle.

[sobbing]

Help me.

--birthday.

It has been a blast knowing you throughout the years.

I hope you have fun tonight, and I

hope you remember it tomorrow.

Happy birthday.

Nice.

Thanks, girl.

You're welcome.

You ready?

Wait, wait, whoa, Away All right, I wanted to do a toast.

Oh, OK.

Oh man, just a small one.

[laughter]

Mainly because I'm just surprised that you guys were

all actually here.

I didn't think anyone was going to be here,

except for a simple dinner.

And you lied to me.

And so did you, and you, and you, and you,

and you, and you, and you.

[inaudible] pretty much.

And I appreciate that, actually, because I thought

it was going to be quiet.

But I'm touched.

You guys are my family, and I love you guys all for that.

Aw.

Aw.

I hope we can do this again many more times.

What am I forgetting?

Oh, Julie, you're slick.

[laughs]

Yeah?

That's right.

I love you, baby.

[laughter]

I love you, too.

Aw.

[laughs]

All right.

All right, a toast.

So it's just to say thank you very much, guys.

Hey, one more thing.

One more thing.

Joe, Joe.

Please, please, please.

That's your time for an interview.

Oh, come on, man.

You got to say something, please.

Turn around.

You didn't say anything?

Say something.

OK.

A little bit different being in front of the camera

than behind the camera, but Sam, happy birthday, brother.

You know I love you.

And you're right, we are a bunch of beautiful liars here

tonight, but that's what makes us family.

We're all a bunch of liars.

Anyways, man, after everything that we've been through

together, and you know what I mean by everything that we've

been through together--

[laughter]

--I wish you the best man.

Have a good night brother.

That's it!

Happy birthday!

[blowing]

[cheering]

Cheers.

Cheers.

Salute.

Happy birthday.

Happy birthday.

With the candle.

Hold on.

I'm so bad at this.

Thank you!

[laughter]

Not bad, not bad.

[laughter]

Lick it off!

Lick it!

Yeah!

Lick it off!

Yeah!

Why do you guys always want to get dirty?

My god.

Because it's funny.

Bring it, bring it.

Do it.

Bring it.

Do it, do it, do it.

[cheering]

[interposing voices]

[laughter]

[inaudible]

Don't worry about it.

[inaudible]

Too late.

Now you don't get cake.

Just one.

Lick!

[cheering]

You're all retarded!

[laughter]

That one can just be like [inaudible]..

Has Starbucks and shit.

You talking about-- oh, OK.

At my job, [inaudible].

On your cake, too?

Yeah, that'd be kind of gross.

[side conversations]

[blowing] Anything?

Nope, nothing.

Oh, wait.

Oh, god.

Listen to this.

So apparently, some idiot was pulled over

for reckless driving, and blamed having to pee as a cause.

Rally news.

Riveting.

Day three since the call, and nothing.

Seems we have our answer.

Don't we.

[sobbing]

[screaming]

[birds chirping]

It's crazy, babe.

Any one of these people could be marked by a killer,

not even know it.

[groaning]

[side conversations]

Sam, stop.

Just come on, turn it off.

Oh shit.

What are you doing, Sam?

We're going to-- well, I got an idea.

Just come on.

Hurry up and go.

We're going to follow this car.

Which car?

That one?

No, no, no.

There's another one that's about to pull out.

This is stupid, Sam.

No, what's stupid is having your name on your license plate.

Easy for a stranger to pretend to know you, and catch you off

guard.

Well, so is this.

No, it's not.

Think about it.

Right now, she has no idea we're following her.

This must be what it feels like for these people.

Seriously, babe?

Look, it's the thrill of it, OK?

Sam.

Sam, this is creepy.

Don't you feel that?

The rush [inaudible].

Come on, Sam.

You're freaking me out.

Come on, Julie.

We said we're going to do this non-biased It's

important for us to see it from their side as much as ours.

Don't you feel your heart racing?

No.

Sometimes, they stalk them for days, maybe even weeks.

(WHISPERING) Look out, look out.

Something about her motivates him.

[inaudible]

OK.

That is enough.

Let's go.

Oh, come on.

Just getting good.

Sam.

Babe, hurry!

Coming.

Holy shit.

You think that's him?

I don't know.

Well, what's it say?

It says that she was found murdered, that there's

no real suspects, and other than that, nothing else.

[inaudible]

I'm standing here with Blair Williams, author of The Demon

They Never Saw Coming.

It was a book he wrote about Devin "The Demon" Bedford, who

at the age of 42 murdered a 9-year-old girl.

And it wouldn't be his last.

Over the next 10 years, he would go on

to leave a bloody trail of young women and children.

Mr. Blair, thank you.

You're welcome.

I know you had the opportunity to actually interview Devin

just before he was executed.

I did.

Can you share with us what you learned from him?

Sure.

Devin was your classic serial killer type.

He was a white male, educated, charming, non-threatening

demeanor, which made it easy for him to pick his prey

and get them to trust him.

I mean, he got people to trust him to bring them out here.

Children, he would entice them with toys.

Grown ups were runaways, prostitutes.

He promised them food, money, shelter.

He was a smart guy.

He started having control fantasies.

And the serial killer, when he's having these control fantasies,

they start losing their sense of what's right and what's wrong.

It starts separating in their mind.

And they lose any empathy for human beings.

We become objects of desire and self-gratification.

We're objects.

You know, we've read your book several times.

And we really respect your work.

Thank you, thank you.

You know, once you sit down across one of these guys,

you can't believe it, because you would never

in a million years imagine that somebody in this nice,

this gentle, would be such a monster.

But that's what makes them who they

are because they are able to fool their victims into seeing

this very nice, nice person.

It's right here.

Right there.

That is where most of his killings took place.

And he dumped the bodies elsewhere.

God knows why.

And Tanya Malin, the 9-year-old girl, he

told me that he tried raping her.

And she struggled.

And in the process, he stabbed her to death.

And to his astonishment, while doing that, he had an orgasm.

I'm sorry, what?

Yeah.

That's disgusting.

Yeah.

He had an orgasm.

It became the drive behind the rage.

Devon was impotent most of his adult life,

and was made fun of by his mother and any woman

that he tried getting close to.

He was never able to have a relationship.

And pleasure came through torture.

Stabbing, slashing children, young women.

And the more intense the mutilation, the more intense

the torture, the more sexual gratification

this guy would get.

And he made the connection between violent death

and getting off sexually.

So I know in your book, you mentioned the gratification.

But you also mentioned boys?

Well, yes.

Yes, there were boys.

It was young girls in contrast to older girls.

But boys, he will pick them young, not physically developed

yet.

So he would see them as girls.

But he would castrate the boys.

Blair, I also remember reading that he

would remove his victims' eyes.

He would actually carve them out.

Why is that?

Yeah.

This guy believed that his image was stuck in his victims eyes.

So he would remove the eyes because he

was scared of getting caught.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yep.

Yep, that's him.

Devin the demon.

Yep.

So what did you think Sam?

I think it went well.

I think we got some really good stuff.

Yeah, I think so, too.

The only thing that bothers me is--

What?

I mean, don't get me wrong because I

think murder in general is bad, but it's the kids.

I just don't understand how someone

can possess so much darkness and evil that they--

I know, babe.

But you got to remember that they see these kids,

they see just human beings as objects.

We're not people.

We're just objects.

OK.

How can you prove it was you?

Mhm.

Mhm.

Mhm.

OK.

What happened, Sam?

He said, here's the proof.

What is it?

Hm.

Our potential serial killer gave us our first piece of proof.

So we're here to confirm.

Yeah, hi.

Could I speak to the officer in charge for the murder case?

Uh huh.

Yeah, I was just wondering, was a girl raped

found stabbed behind her back?

Well?

Oh shit.

He wasn't lying.

It's real.

What happened?

I got the officer in charge.

And the minute I mentioned it, he was like,

how the hell do you know that?

Julie, he asked who I was.

We should go.

Go ahead.

Babe.

The one piece of proof that he gave us over the phone

was that the victim was found with her hands bound

behind her back, and stabbed in the back multiple times.

She was also raped.

So when I asked them that, they confirmed.

Well, not really willingly.

That was the case.

It seems our guy might be the real deal.

What is it, babe?

Grab the camera.

I got it.

Why?

What's going on?

Come here.

What?

[crying]

Oh my god.

Is that real?

Sam?

Sam!

Yeah, I think so, babe.

Where did you get that?

It came in the email we've been using.

Oh my god I think I'm going to be sick.

[muffled screaming]

Will you please turn that shit off?

You OK?

No!

This is our fault, Sam.

What?

What do you mean, babe?

This is our fault. Because of us, a girl lost her life.

Don't you get it?

What?

No.

OK, he probably kept [inaudible] for a while.

You know how these people work.

He would have done it anyway.

No, Sam.

This is our fault.

Julie--

A girl got killed because of us.

No, look.

They stalk their pray for days, sometimes weeks.

You know that.

I'm scared, Sam.

For the first time, I'm really scared.

[ringing]

(WHISPERING) Shit.

Hello?

Shit, grab the camera.

Yeah.

No, no, we got it.

Yeah, no, that's more than enough proof.

What do you mean?

[knocking]

Someone's at the door.

Hello?

Hello?

Shit, he hung up.

Someone's at the door, Sam.

There's no one there.

[beep]

Sam.

There's nobody there.

What the hell is going on?

Will you talk--

Hold it up.

No.

How did he know where we live, Sam?

Think that's her blood?

I don't care.

How did he know where we live?

He's been here.

Babe, calm down.

Don't tell me to calm down.

How could he know?

I may have made a mistake.

I just didn't want you to freak out.

What did you do?

I think I accidentally using my real email

responding [inaudible]

What?

Why?

How would he know?

By accident.

It's the primary one.

But how did he get our address?

It's in my email.

It's part of my signature.

Why?

Our company address.

It looks more professional.

But we live here, Sam.

Babe, it was a mistake.

Let's just go to the police.

And say what?

Hey, we've been talking to a real life killer.

In fact, he's killed somewhere in North Carolina.

They're going to think we're involved.

No they won't!

That's stupid, and we can prove all this stuff!

[knocking]

He's back.

Where are you going?

Grab the camera.

Oh my god, Sam.

Where are you going?

See who it is.

Stay here.

[beep]

Hey.

I need you to sign for the letter that I left here.

You left a letter?

Yeah, I apologize.

It's been a hectic day.

I didn't realize it had to be signed for.

Let me see some ID.

Got it, babe?

Hold on.

OK, got it.

Who gave you the letter?

I have no idea.

These things just come to my office.

Is everything OK here?

Yeah, everything's fine.

OK.

Just sign right here.

OK, thank you.

Be safe.

Holy shit.

I may have overreacted a bit.

Yeah, well he still knows our address.

So we're moving, OK?

And did you hear that be safe?

This was the content of the letter.

A location and a time.

It just doesn't make any sense.

Why would he send it to us?

He could've told you on the phone, or in an email,

or whatever.

Oh my god.

He wants to know he knows who we are.

I don't like this, Sam.

This really scares me.

Where are you going?

To make sure everything is locked.

It's kind of scary tonight.

Kind of exciting, too.

He's willing to meet with us in 10 days.

Julie's still not share, and I'm not sure, either.

Guess I just never figured we'd have a chance

to meet someone like this.

We'll have to decide soon.

OK, mom.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Oh, mom, before I forget.

Do you think I can go and drop off Shadow?

Do you mind watching him just for a few days?

Of course.

Oh, perfect.

All right.

I love you too, mom.

Tell your mom I love her, too!

I don't know.

Sam says he loves you, too.

OK, talk to you later.

Bye.

Sam, we need to talk about this.

OK, one second.

I was thinking, I'll just go then.

I mean, this is too rare of an opportunity not to.

You don't have to.

Besides, I'll try and find a location

where he can meet us that's in public.

He told you where he wants me.

He's not going to meet you in a diner.

And me what?

Stay here?

Babe, he knows where we live.

What if he's watching us right now?

Babe, I doubt he's watching us.

Do you know what the tripod is?

It's in the car.

Look, anyways, you can go stay with your sister.

I'm going with you, but I'm not going to do the interview.

We've come this far.

You can just do the interview yourself.

And if anything happens, I'll be outside

and I can call the police.

Fine.

OK, I'd prefer that anyway.

All right, well don't forget to tape

over the other stuff, the rally girl proof and stuff, OK?

OK, I'll do it.

OK.

Get the tripod.

All right.

Sam!

Yeah, babe?

Will you help me for a second?

OK, just a minute.

Come on, it won't take long!

All right.

Sup, babe?

Just need you to help me grab that [inaudible]..

OK.

[inaudible] Thank you!

You're welcome!

I love you!

I love you, too!

Shadow.

He's getting old, huh babe?

Yeah.

Hey, hold up the map.

All right.

OK.

Here we are.

There's the Wuornos Killing, Rolling, and then Bundy's,

and that's our meeting place.

Why are we meeting there?

Well, probably because he knows what

would happen if he was caught in Florida.

The way we do it is the death penalty.

Florida's like the serial killer of states.

[laughs] This is far, babe.

I know.

Good boy, Shadow.

Is that the location we're meeting at?

Yeah, but there isn't much coverage on it.

Yeah, doesn't seem to be much around.

There isn't, but I got the details

on the more important stuff like closest hospital,

nearest police station.

Nice.

Well, hopefully we won't need either.

I'm telling you.

We need it.

Watch, I'll show.

What do you mean a guy, Sam?

Who?

I may have found a guy, like a cameraman.

Someone who can do all the filming.

That way, you and I can both be on camera.

Why?

Look.

Watch, I'll show you.

[laughs] [inaudible]

See?

That way, we don't have to keep doing that,

and risk the chance of missing anything.

How much?

Nothing.

Nothing?

Nothing.

Oh, I told him I'd give him credit and pay his expenses.

Where did you find him?

I posted an ad online.

Oh, boy.

Look, I said we're looking for a guy who can shoot while we're

filming a documentary.

I told him a little bit about what we're doing.

He likes the idea.

He's local.

It works out well, OK?

Well, we need to talk about expenses.

OK.

Hold on.

No, no no.

No, keep it on.

Actually, give me this camera.

We are going to document this.

All right, Sam.

How much money have you saved up for this?

Like $200.

$200.

Wow.

That isn't even enough to get us there in gas, Sam.

What about a place to stay?

Food?

I know.

No, you don't know.

You didn't even think about it.

Honestly, I'm sick of this.

I'm paying for everything around here.

You haven't contributed to anything around here

the last few months.

I'm paying the bills, the rent, the frickin' car insurance.

I know.

No!

We got the car together!

We were supposed to pay it together!

I know!

I promise, as soon as this is over,

everything's going to change, OK?

Yeah, you bet it will, because you're

getting a job, a real job when we get back.

No.

When we get back, I'm going to be busy editing.

Well then you can edit at someone's garage,

because you need to get out of here.

Seriously, Sam.

You're going to move out!

If you can't contribute to the house,

if you can't commit to a job, then I want you out.

I'm sorry.

This isn't fair.

Savings are supposed to be for savings.

Take this camera, man.

Listen, babe.

Babe, come here.

Come on, babe.

You said you would.

I agree that when I get back, I will

get at minimum a part-time job.

Happy?

Yes.

Thank you.

I'm sorry about earlier today.

I just kind of lost it, huh?

It's OK.

I'm sorry I've been consumed with this whole thing.

Come here.

Sam, you left it on.

Oh, come on.

Ugh.

All this talk about murder makes me lose my appetite for meat.

Yum.

Disgusting, babe.

Oh, I think that's him.

Why are you filming them?

Checking the focus.

It hasn't been working lately.

So what do you think of him?

He seems nice enough.

A little bit of a bumpkin, but I think he'll do.

Shoot, the battery's low.

Babe, I thought you said it was charged.

No, I didn't.

Yeah, you did.

I asked you last night.

No, I was talking about your phone, babe.

Forget it.

Where's the car charger?

It should be there.

Where?

In the bag.

Babe, I want to get an establishing shot.

[doorbell]

Oh, shit.

Chad's here.

Just come say hi, OK?

Hey, Chad.

Oh, hey Sam.

We're just running a bit late.

It's OK.

Hey, Chad.

How are you?

Good.

How are you doing?

Good.

I'm ready.

All right, cool.

I'm going to go get the rest of the bags.

All right.

We'll wait outside.

OK.

All right, just keep the frame about here.

Got it?

Today, we're getting on the road and heading out,

hoping to be the first to do something no one has ever done.

[laughs]

That's it.

What?

That's where Andrew Cunanan, quote

and unquote serial killer, shot and killed Gianni Versace back

in July of '97.

Why quote unquote?

Well, I don't know.

Actually, he can say he's a serial killer

because he does have an MO.

He targeted gay males.

MO?

Yeah, modus operandi.

It means a distinct pattern or method of operation

which indicates or suggests the work of a single criminal

in more than one crime.

Oh, OK.

Of all the ones I've studied, he's the least interesting.

Why is that?

The definition of a serial killer

is defined as one who has killed over three people in more

than one month's time with breaks in between,

like a cooling down period.

It's usually to fulfill some form of gratification.

Cunanan seemed to be more of a jaded lover impulse

type of killer.

Nothing more.

Hey, do you mind if I smoke?

No, just open the window.

OK.

Actually, I'd rather you didn't.

We'll stop soon.

I thought you hated smoke.

Well, he needs to, Sam.

Needs to?

Who needs to?

Hey, here's a question for you.

Habit or addiction?

Is there a difference?

Yeah.

One you do because you're accustomed to doing so,

and the other you just can't quit.

Both, I guess. .

Think about it.

Well, I mean, both.

I guess that I've gotten used to the habit

and that I'm addicted to it.

Well, tobacco industry to me is the biggest serial killer

in the world.

Actually, they have no MO.

They're not predisposed to a particular person.

Therefore, it goes against what most serial killers--

We don't know.

That's what we're hoping to find out.

You never hear of the one who just people out in the middle

of nowhere for dead, you know?

Think about it.

How many people could actually survive out here?

Yeah, but where's the rush?

It's the up-close and personal aspect which gets them off.

It's inflicting the pain and the fear

in their victims which excites them.

How exciting would it be for them to just open the door,

push them out, and yell, see you later?

I'm just saying, Sam.

Yeah, I could see the headlines now.

The serial abandoner at large.

That'd be great.

Wow, you're an ass.

Chad, you don't have to film everything.

Just turn it off, please.

The batteries run out.

So the saga begins.

What the hell could they be talking about?

Oh boy.

I think he'll be all right.

What was that about?

Come on, Sam.

What do think?

He's in the car with two strangers who

spend most of their time talking about killers murdering

innocent and unsuspecting people.

What do you expect?

He's freaked out.

Wait, he doesn't think we killed people.

I don't know.

Just give me your license.

For what?

Why?

Just give me your license, Sam.

Oh my god.

This is unbelievable.

So?

He faxed our licenses.

He faxed our fucking licenses?

To who?

I don't know.

A friend or something.

Wow, this is too funny.

Well, what do you care, Sam?

Plus, it was your idea.

If it makes him feel more comfortable,

what's the big deal?

What?

Since when were you so concerned about a guy

being more comfortable?

You know what I mean.

You OK?

We check out?

Yeah.

Can I get my license back now?

Yeah, man.

Boo!

Shit, Sam!

I'm sorry about that, Chad.

No, not funny.

Let's just go.

Hey, Chad, I'm really sorry about that back there.

I really am.

And I was just playing with you.

Besides, if we really were who you think we might have been,

most serial killers tend to work alone.

They rarely work as a team.

Though there have been some cases.

I'm trying to make the situation better.

I'm just saying.

Guys, it's OK.

What he's trying to say is that tandem killings

are too much risk.

David Alan Gore and his cousin, Fred Waterfield,

they were a tandem in Vero Beach.

But with a pair, they're usually much easier to catch.

One party dominates the weaker party.

And when the weaker party gets caught,

he usually rats out the other one.

That's exactly what happened when Gore got caught and ratted

out his cousin, Fred.

Yeah.

There's also the Hillside Strangers.

Got two cousins, Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianchi.

Murdered girls in the Hollywood Hills out in LA.

You also have the Carsons.

Michael Carson and Suzan Carson, who

killed people that they believed to be witches.

Yeah, gave a whole new meaning to the witch trials.

Oh, there's also the Houston Murders.

Oh, yeah, that case is rare because you had three killers.

The leader was Dean Corll, then you had David Brooks.

What's the name of this guy?

I always forget him.

Elmer--

Elmer Henley.

--Henley, yes.

Consequently killed Corll.

And most recently, you had the Beltway Sniper with John Allen

Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo.

But in all, most serial killers tend to work alone.

Tend to be white male, single, above average intelligence.

Anyway, it'd be pretty sick if we lured you

out here with the intention of wanting to kill you.

That's actually the basis of our documentary.

Are these people sick, or is it a sickness?

Stay in this lane.

What happened here?

Remember when I mentioned Gore and his cousin, Fred?

Yeah.

This is where they killed and buried a few of their victims.

[birds flying]

Think it's their ghosts?

Shut up.

Oh my god!

[inaudible]

Told you this was a bad idea, Sam!

Gore pretended to be a cop.

That's how he got them all.

Played on their believe that cops were there

to protect them all.

And that's just it.

It's the people you least likely expect

that can be the most dangerous.

Bundy wore cast and pretended to be hurt.

Won over their better sense of judgment.

(WHISPERING) No.

Keep that with me.

There you go.

I love you, babe.

Hey.

Hey.

I got coffee, and guess what?

What?

I got cookies.

Yeah?

[laughs] Yeah.

Awesome.

I got flowers.

Aw, thank you, babe.

Yeah.

Oh, they're beautiful.

Thank you.

I love you.

I love you, too.

Thank you.

Have a seat for a second.

I got you something else.

What?

Sit down.

OK.

Oh my god.

What?

You're not-- right now, Sam?

Here while we're doing this?

Just hear me out, OK?

OK.

Julie, I love you.

And I've never met anybody else like you.

You are the most beautiful person.

You're my best friend, my lover.

You've been with me through everything,

even when my mom passed away.

And you believe in me, even when I don't.

Well-- Will you marry me?

Yes.

[cries]

It doesn't fit.

I know, I'm sorry.

I just--

You don't know my size.

It's OK.

I love you.

I love you, too.

Oh my god, I'm going to be Mrs. Jenner.

Yeah.

[laughs]

I'm scared I'll lose it.

I'm just going to--

Oh, yeah, put it away.

--put it away in the--

I got it.

Did you leave that thing on?

Are you recording this?

Well, it's the best day of my life, babe.

Mine too.

Let me make it better.

You want to make it better?

I'm going to make it better.

Can we leave it on?

Mm-mm.

Come on.

No.

No, no.

Here.

I'll put it somewhere safe.

Ah, man.

Right there.

That's good.

OK.

Hi, Sam.

I just wanted to tell you that today,

you made me the happiest girl in the world,

that I love you so much, that you mean the world to me,

and that I can't wait to spend the rest of my life with you.

I know that sometimes we fight, but in the end,

we always work it out.

And it seems that it always brings us closer somehow.

I want you to know that I believe in you so much.

I know you already know that, but I'm so proud of you.

And I know this documentary has been so hard on us,

but we're making it happen, babe.

And I know it's going to be great.

I just know it.

Well, I don't really know how to say this,

because it looks like we're going to be family,

because I'm pregnant.

And I know, well, way to land that one, right?

I was going to wait until the documentary was done

to tell you, but that's probably when you'll see it anyway,

while you're editing.

But I just want you to feel free to come and tell me

what you think when you do see this.

I mean, I'll probably be by your side

anyway, but just let me know what you think.

You're going to be a dad.

And--

Babe!

Yeah?

That's you.

Anyway, the point of all this is just to tell you

that I love you, and I'm so happy to be your wife.

OK, I love you, Sam.

Day two since the trip.

Moving forward.

Sam, will you please stop that.

We can't use these people anyway.

We have no releases.

Thank you.

Thank you.

No, no we got it.

Oh, no.

[laughs] Let me take care of it, please.

I feel really bad about earlier, OK?

All right, just follow her.

OK.

Why?

You'll see.

All right, let's go, babe.

No.

Come on, just go.

Come on.

[sighs]

Have you done this before?

Yeah.

But before you get freaked out, this

is just an experiment to give you

a sense of what these people feel, OK?

Sometimes, I feel like I'm the only sane one.

Oh god, look at these two.

Shit.

[heavy breathing]

Do you feel that?

Yeah.

Feel that rush?

Oh my goodness.

You're crazy.

It's crazy, huh?

Let's go, babe.

Let's get out of here.

That's what I say.

I think it's a form of gratification [inaudible]

Another cigarette break.

OK, so that's it?

It's all about the thrill.

No.

Actually, there are four categories most serial killers

tend to fall into.

You've got visionary.

You know, god or the devil told him to do it.

Or a dog in the case of David Berkowitz.

[laughs]

Or a dog.

A mission oriented [inaudible] in exterminating those

deemed witches.

The Unabomber against the government.

Hedonistic.

They got pleasure from killing.

They see people as objects.

And the power control type, those

who gain and impose their will and power over their victims.

I think our guy's probably a power control type,

but that's just a gut feeling.

Your guy?

What?

Wait.

What do you mean your guy?

You didn't tell him, Sam?

Hold on.

What didn't you tell me?

Yeah, we're actually on our way to go meet someone.

Hey, do me a favor.

Grab that camera real quick.

[inaudible]

You didn't tell him?

Babe, where's that mix?

If it's not there, it should be in the back.

Oh, Chad?

Yeah?

You sure you're cool with this?

I'm sorry that that [inaudible] up.

But yeah, we're going to go meet some.

I guess, but Look.

I'm not going to go in when you do this.

That just seems too weird.

I'm not going to go in, either, Chad.

So we can wait outside, or wherever you feel comfortable,

OK?

OK.

Probably better just in case something happens.

At least somebody knows.

Do you think he's real?

We don't know.

In a weird way, I kind of hope so.

But I guess that's what we're going to find out.

What made you guys think that this guy would

agree to something like this?

That just seems kind of risky.

I see your point, but we got our idea

from this guy in Russia who's been spending decades

working with serial killers.

From Russia?

Yeah.

His name's Alexander [inaudible]..

And he's from this town called Rostov, which at some point,

was actually considered the serial killer

capital of the world, which I wanted to go to, but--

Which we're definitely not going to.

Place is crazy expensive.

We could--

--inspiration to our documentary.

Again, whether it's a sickness or not,

he argues that every serial killer spent decades

resisting the urge to kill, that they don't really want to.

This guy's the expert.

He's the one that founded the Phoenix Clinic.

And to prove it, he actually contacted an active killer

that was at large, and gave us our idea

that maybe we could do the same.

So we did.

So we did.

Hey, can you see if there's a CD in the back there?

I'm trying to find it's called a--

Now this is posh living.

Wonder how many times the CSI unit's been in this place.

What a dump.

Can't believe you.

You didn't tell him.

Why would I?

Told him about all the other stops we were going to make.

Think this angle's going to work best here.

What did you tell him, Sam?

Said we're filming a documentary on serial killers,

and then we're on our way to interview someone.

But you didn't tell him who we were interviewing.

You didn't even know who.

What else am I supposed to say?

Hey, we're on the way to interview someone

who kills people.

You're unbelievable.

OK, go.

Chad.

I'm sorry, when you ask a question,

make it more of a leading type of question.

Just so when we edit, it comes off more naturally.

I'll give you an example.

What makes it so difficult for them to catch?

What makes them very difficult to catch

is that they're usually very smart, highly intelligent.

Cool.

Try it again.

OK.

So what makes them so difficult to catch?

What makes it very difficult to catch

is that they're usually very smart, highly intelligent.

Plan well cover their tracks--

[loud slam]

[screaming]

--find these people that--

Sorry, guys.

Let me try that again, OK?

Why does it take so long to catch them?

And how do they get away with it for so long?

In the past, it took so long to find these people because

of poor communications between different state and police

agencies, which made it a lot easier for serial killers

to get away.

And it actually wasn't until Bundy

was caught that the FBI created what's called the [inaudible]..

--stations between different states.

I think that's good.

OK.

Anyone could be one, you know?

Just driving along.

May be one in the car right now.

You know what I read the other day?

That at any given time, there are

between 20 to 50 active ones in the US alone.

So could be.

Hey, where is this guy?

He said he needed a moment.

Oh, there he is.

Perfect.

What's up, sleepyhead?

Hey.

Sorry I got up so late.

I couldn't sleep last night, guys.

Oh, that's cool, man.

We'll get used to it.

You got to be fucking kidding me.

Trunk lock is broken, too?

Jeez.

What are you doing?

Hey, babe.

[inaudible]

It's what he didn't say that matters.

What do you mean?

He said there's a lot of auto theft and vandalism around here

that he's not surprised.

No way.

Yeah.

Still, we're so close to the freeway.

He said there's an auto part store down the street.

So I'm going to go get the tire and stuff.

OK.

Did you get the shot for the insurance?

Yeah.

Want to check it out?

Mhm.

Look.

[laughs]

Could you stop?

I'm bored.

Want to help?

No.

I said to call roadside assistance.

It'd take too long.

Where's Chad?

He went to grab a soda.

Oh, ask him to get me one.

He's already gone, babe.

Would you stop?

Mmm, look at those sexy hands.

[laughs]

No!

Don't you dare!

Kick your butt.

[laughs]

Hey, what happened with the lock, finally?

I think we can take it to the deal.

It's probably covered under warranty.

Oh, OK.

Well, I think if anything, you'll just get it insured.

All right.

Well either way, we got everything we need.

So it's just going to be tight in the back for Chad for a bit.

[laughs] OK.

I'll stop, I'll stop.

Marion County, home to the Wuornos Killer.

Who's she?

She was actually one of the most famous female serial killers

of all time.

They actually made a movie on her called The Monster.

Yeah, [inaudible] looked like a monster.

[laughs]

Too bad we didn't get to interview her before they

put her to death, huh babe?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, looks like it.

Hey, think they need a roommate?

[laughs] Oh god.

The rent is one finger a month.

What?

[laughs] One finger?

Hottest female college students in the state.

[laughs] What?

I'm kidding.

No, you're not.

You're messed up.

Come on, you're my girl.

You know that?

How long have you two been together.

Yeah, Sam, how long have we?

Oh, you don't think I know?

No.

She doesn't think I know.

It's been six years and four months.

And it was on a Wednesday.

How about that?

You remembered it was on a Wednesday.

I'm impressed.

Good.

Now tell all the ones that are watching he was amazing.

Sam Jenner is amazing, and I love him.

[screaming]

Is this it?

Yeah.

August 1990, Danny Rolling entered an apartment,

and raped two college students before he killed them.

Not to mention, the following day,

he hid out in the place of another student's home

until his victim came home.

And then he bound her, raped her, and then

proceeded to decapitate her.

You got to be kidding me?

No, that was big news.

You didn't hear about that?

Where are you from originally?

I think that's him.

All over, but mainly Detroit.

Yeah, that's him.

Thanks for waiting.

Sorry we took so long.

And what about you?

Were you scared?

The whole town was fearful.

I mean, everyone was out on high alert.

But that didn't stop him.

Two nights later, he murdered another student,

and got her boyfriend, too, who had been there to protect her.

They say this man, Danny Rollings,

went on to murder eight people before they finally

arrested him on burglary charges down south.

Oh, in--

[screaming]

I just feel like it's hard to be non-biased anymore.

Why is that?

These people are sick.

It's not a sickness.

And if they are, to me, they should be incarcerated or put

to death.

I strongly disagree, Sam.

What about society's part in all of this?

That's been a focal point since the beginning.

What role does that play?

A lot of these people that we've interviewed

have come from some pretty tumultuous backgrounds,

beaten and abused, themselves.

What about the relationship between childhood victimization

and/or the observation of these violent acts that

have led them toward these activities

and criminally deviant behavior?

Should society be held accountable?

You don't think they should be held accountable?

Were you blaming somebody for being

exposed to these circumstances?

I know what you're saying, Julie.

Oh, Charles Manson.

He was sold to a waitress for a pitcher of beer

by his alcoholic mother, and then retrieved days later

by his uncle.

Really?

Well, allegedly.

And Rolling, who was abused by his father.

Oh, come on.

Julie, look.

Thousands of people are abused by their families.

It doesn't make them a monster the way Charles was, or Mick,

or fucking Rolling.

But there's a pattern.

Do you see it?

Do you see my perspective?

Yes.

I see your point, Julie.

But I'm talking about a mindset right now.

And this is just really hard for me, OK?

OK, well I'm talking about a mindset, too.

And it was supposed to be a non-biased documentary.

Yeah?

Chad, let's just call it a night, all right?

Do me a favor.

When you take the camera, charge the battery.

Who hasn't?

Probably the most notorious person in this country.

Even Rolling admired him.

Said he wished he had the same fame as Bundy.

Yeah.

Not only did he rape and murder his victims,

but he was also a necrophiliac.

What's that?

He had sexual acts with the bodies,

even when they were dead.

He would even revisit the bodies after he left them behind.

Yeah.

It's been said by many who dealt with him that he's probably

the most sadistic person they had ever met.

Listen to this.

His own defense attorney was quoted

as saying that he was the very definition of heartless

and evil.

Then how did they catch him?

Well, he was actually caught twice, and escaped twice.

Once in '77 while serving as his own defense attorney,

during a recess, he jumped from a second story law library

and was a fugitive for six days before he was even found.

But then the real kicker was when he actually escaped

from within his own jail cell.

He carved a square foot hole on the ceiling,

spent six months losing 35 pounds, and crawled out.

He was gone for nearly 17 hours before anyone even knew.

Yeah.

By that time, he made his way to Chicago.

And a little over a week later, he

went down to Tallahassee, which is where we're going now.

OK.

Think this is the place.

Who are we meeting now?

Just some people who were around during the Bundy murders.

What'd he do again?

Bundy was responsible for approximately 30 victims

he says that he killed.

But many say much more.

He committed murders in Utah, Idaho, Colorado, Oregon,

Washington, before he made his way here to Tallahassee.

Just think.

If those people would have done their jobs back

in Utah and Washington, none of these poor people

would have had to die.

Well, let me rephrase that.

They just would have kept him in jail.

Why would they let him out?

They didn't technically let him out.

He was sentenced to 15 years in jail for a murder in '76,

but he had also committed murder in Colorado.

And so he was waived extradition.

When he was sent there to stand trial,

he escaped from the jail.

All right, let's go.

They're waiting for us.

All right.

OK, do you guys mind taking it from the beginning

of the recollection of your memory?

I'm not really comfortable on the camera.

Oh.

OK, no worries.

Sam, can you just make sure you don't, you know.

Thanks.

And thank you so much for being here.

OK.

Well, it was winter, 1978, early in the morning on January 15th.

He entered that sorority house.

The Chi Omega house, right?

Yeah, I believe that's the one.

He entered through the rear door.

Then he proceeded to bludgeon four students,

of which two of them, he strangled after he killed them.

Crazy thing is that the whole thing only took 15 minutes.

And it was done within earshot of 30 potential witnesses.

No one heard a thing.

Then he proceeded three blocks south from here,

where we sit, broke into another apartment,

took the life of another.

Did you know anybody in the apartment complex?

No, but my daughter was friendly with a lot of the students.

About a month later, they arrested him in Pensacola

because the car he was driving was stolen.

Wow, you'd think that they'd arrest him because they finally

caught onto him.

Most folks around here just can't forget about them days.

How come you never mentioned the victims' names?

Because the families have been through enough.

They are the victims.

Give me the camera.

Stay there.

[sobbing]

What is it?

Chad, stay there, please.

[screaming]

[sobbing]

You know what?

That's fucking it.

Come on, Sam.

You don't have to go through with this.

Please, let's just go back to Miami.

You don't have to do it, babe.

You don't have to do this interview.

I don't want to have to deal with this guy, please.

No.

We can't go home What if he comes to find us?

Then what, Sam?

Then we'll just call the police.

Look, I've got to go.

Someone's got to see his face.

You're serious.

Yes, OK?

I couldn't live with myself if we had the chance to get

someone like this off the street, and we don't.

He could kill someone else.

Someone's brother, sister, whatever.

What if this guy is the next Bundy?

If I could just see his face, I'll no what he looks like.

And then I'll call the cops.

That's stupid.

I think I'd have to agree with Julie.

No, OK?

You'll be there.

You both will.

You'll be outside, and he'll know.

He'd have to be stupid to try and do something with all of us

there.

Besides, I'll just text you guys when I'm there,

and let you know when I see him.

Call the cops.

What makes you think he's going to let you see his face?

I don't know.

At least I'll get a sense of what he looks like, you know?

His size, and shape, and shit.

Sam, you just don't get it.

These people are dangerous.

Honestly, ever since that letter came in,

I can't stop looking over my shoulder.

I don't want to live like this anymore, Sam.

I'm scared all the time.

Please!

That's exactly my point.

I don't be scared either, OK?

I don't want to be looking over my fucking shoulder

all my life.

Are you nervous?

What do you think?

Dude, what if the cell phone reception is bad up there?

Chad, you're not helping.

Fuck, I can't see shit.

Fuck is this thing?

Actually, the cell phone reception isn't that bad here.

There we go.

Yeah, I can see why he'd want to meet here.

I don't see anyone.

Yeah, me neither.

All right, babe.

I'm going in.

Look, I'm going to text you if I see anyone.

Just call the cops, yell fire, do

whatever you got to do to get them out here, OK?

Yeah.

All right, I love you.

I love you, too.

Hello?

[metal clank]

(WHISPERING) What the fuck was that?

[rattling]

Julie!

Chad!

(WHISPERING) The fuck?

Oh, shit.

[grunting]

Come on!

Open, stupid-- Damn it!

Come on!

Oh, shit!

[leaves breaking]

What the fuck's going on, man?

Where's Julie?

She went in to look for you!

What?

Yes!

Maybe he's here!

Call 911!

What?

Julie!

Julie!

Julie!

Julie, you in here?

Julie!

Julie, you in here?

Julie!

I'm coming, baby!

I'm coming, Julie!

Julie, where you at?

Julie!

[screaming]

I'm here, baby.

I'm here, I'm here, I'm here.

Fuck!

I'm here, baby.

The fuck?

I'm so sorry.

[bang]

[sobbing]

[beep]

[sobbing]

[camera noise]

[groaning]

[slap]

[heavy breathing]

[muffled screaming]

[muffled screaming]

(MUFFLED) You little bitch!

[inaudible] pussy!

You're a fucking pussy!

Fuck you, man!

Fuck you!

[beating noise]

[camera noise]

Investigators have been unable to locate Chad Miller.

He remains a person of interest.

[music playing]