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I would say to Mark Zuckerberg, 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:40,960 you are a defining entrepreneur, you're one of the top ten entrepreneurs who has ever existed. 8 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:52,200 Zuckerberg's brainchild, Facebook, has found its way into the personal lives of 800 million people. 9 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,560 When you put technology behind the power of who we are as people, the world changes. 10 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,760 That is the power of what we do. 11 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,160 Once in a while a business comes along, which defines an era, 12 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,200 by doing something very new and very big. 13 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:12,280 In this case changing the way that hundreds of millions of people talk to each other. 14 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,920 What makes Facebook unique is that its founder has so quickly created 15 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,400 not just a business but a whole new global culture. 16 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,880 If you go back most people in the world had no voice right, they had 17 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,640 no podium where they could share things but now everyone does. 18 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:33,000 He's right. Even the Queen is on Facebook as well as half the population of Britain, 19 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,880 making Facebook the most visited website in the UK. 20 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:42,360 It's phenomenally powerful but the biggest issue for Facebook is it becomes too popular. 21 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,200 Zuckerberg's creation has produced lawsuits, accusations of 22 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,840 privacy invasion and even inspired a Hollywood movie. 23 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,720 Do you see any of your code on Facebook? You stole our whole idea. 24 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,080 Now Facebook's using the detailed personal information its users 25 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,840 have given it to build its own advertising machine. 26 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,920 But can that justify the astronomical values being put on the company 27 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,560 ahead of a possible stock market floatation? 28 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,680 I don't think it's crazy at all to say Facebook will be worth a 100 billion, Facebook is hot! 29 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,080 Sorry. I'm kind of nervous. We have the President of the United States here. 30 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:26,240 With exclusive access to Mark Zuckerberg, we ask whether 31 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:33,720 Facebook's phenomenal growth means compromising his student dream of a more connected world. 32 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,960 'My name is Barack Obama and I'm the guy' 33 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,360 who got Mark to wear a jacket and tie. 34 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,440 LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE 35 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,480 And I'm very proud of that. 36 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,480 Today thousands of software developers, venture capitalist and entrepreneurs 37 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:04,160 have come to rub shoulders with Facebook's star for its annual conference in San Francisco. 38 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:09,800 The biggest act on the bill is still just 27 years old but no-one doubts he's the boss. 39 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,480 CEO Mark Zuckerberg! 40 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,920 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 41 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,200 Yeah! 42 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,000 Yeah! 43 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,720 Come on! 44 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,200 Hey welcome to F8. We're going to change the universe! 45 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:35,760 Zuckerberg himself waits in the wings, enjoying his very own warm-up act. 46 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,880 What the hell are you doing? Er... 47 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,720 I'm Mark Zuckerberg. No, I'M Mark Zuckerberg. 48 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,120 The real Mark Zuckerberg is no longer the new kid on the block. 49 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:56,000 By now, I think that most people see that social networks are going to be a ubiquitous tool used by billions 50 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,640 of people around the world to stay connected everyday. 51 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,760 In Britain alone, 30 million people have registered on Facebook. 52 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:13,880 It's free. You just give your name and e-mail address and ask other Facebook users to be your friend. 53 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:21,160 You can add information about your background and tastes and upload a photo to your own profile page. 54 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,640 Once you've got a few friends, Facebook makes it easy by suggesting 55 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,320 more people you may know from what you've told it about yourself. 56 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:36,200 You may be surprised how many friends you can accumulate. The average user has 130, many have a lot more. 57 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,000 200 or 250 something around there. 58 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,000 About 264. 59 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,680 500 odd. 60 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,080 Between 600-700. 61 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,560 About 700. Close to 1,000. 62 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,600 1,921 friends. 63 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,720 More than I have in real life, definitely. 64 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:57,880 The only content on Facebook is what its users have put on there, so Facebook stands or falls 65 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,320 on their willingness to keep posting new material for others to see. 66 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,840 You want us to share. Mmm. Why? 67 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:08,560 Well, the mission of the company is to make the world 68 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,160 more open and connected because we believe that 69 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,160 everyone will have a much better experience when they're doing different things with their friends. 70 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:21,600 When there's more information out or you can discover great content through your friends 71 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,080 or you can discover new food that you want to eat or places to run or anything like that, 72 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,880 your world becomes a lot richer. 73 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,880 Zuckerberg practises what he preaches, sharing a lot about his personal life 74 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,160 on his own Facebook page, which anyone can see. 75 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,160 He shows pictures with his long-term girlfriend, Priscilla Chan, 76 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,080 lists his favourite movies and books and records the life of his dog, Beast. 77 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,280 Come on, Beast, you got this, you got this! 78 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:50,760 Can we get some Eye Of The Tiger? 79 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,560 LAUGHTER 80 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,480 Our development is guided by the idea that every year 81 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,840 the amount that people want to add and share and express is increasing. 82 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:06,520 It seems to be true, in September Zuckerberg was able to announce a new record. 83 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:13,040 For the first time ever, in a single day, we had 0.5 billion people use Facebook. 84 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,720 0.5 billion people. 85 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,520 APPLAUSE For many, it's now as much a necessity as a choice. 86 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,880 There is social pressure to join it and if you're not part of it you don't get invited to certain things. 87 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,440 I always said I'd never us it but since I've got it, I've ended up using it more and more and more. 88 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,600 What makes it so addictive is that you are... It's like living a second life. 89 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,840 No-one e-mails any more but everyone's posting on Facebook. 90 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:42,600 Facebook not only attracts massive numbers of users - 800 million at the last count - 91 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:49,640 but more surprisingly, every day half of them log on to the site making it the stickiest on the internet. 92 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,760 Now Zuckerberg wants them to get even more attached. 93 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,760 We're not trying to make it so that people spend more time on Facebook, 94 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,640 we're trying to make it so that the time that you spend 95 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,400 is so valuable that you want to keep on coming back every day. 96 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:06,520 Facebook has signed up more people than live in the United States 97 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,760 and European Union combined, including me. 98 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:15,080 Questions about how we communicate on it, about privacy and sharing and about Zuckerberg himself 99 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:21,040 will come into sharp focus as the company heads towards a likely stock market flotation next year. 100 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,400 There's speculation it could be worth a $100 billion but Facebook will only 101 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:29,440 be worth that if Zuckerberg can keep the trust of ordinary users. 102 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,080 Thank you. 103 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,720 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 104 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,960 That's why his own story and motives are key to the company's prospects. 105 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:47,400 Zuckerberg's Facebook journey began just seven years ago at Harvard University. 106 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,560 He was studying psychology and computer science. 107 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,360 When not in lectures he was forming his vision of a more social internet. 108 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,360 I remember hanging out with my friends and going to the local pizza place and talking about, 109 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:07,080 you know, in the future, you're going to be able to share all the stuff that you want and you're going to 110 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,960 be able to have access to it, know all the things that you're doing and all these different experiences. 111 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,800 But we just figured someone else was going to do it. Who are we to go build this? 112 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,800 We were 19 years old, we were in college, we knew nothing about companies 113 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,080 but we want this to exist. 114 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:26,320 We've focused on it probably more than anyone else and we're one of the companies 115 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,800 that's helping to bring this about. It's really cool and who'd have thought, right? 116 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:38,680 Harry Lewis taught Zuckerberg computer science. Decades earlier, he also taught Bill Gates. 117 00:08:38,680 --> 00:08:41,360 The thing I would say about Zuckerberg is that 118 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,640 he was very eager to learn and very sceptical 119 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,960 about whether anything we were teaching him was actually 120 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,280 the right things for him to learn. 121 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:56,400 I think Bill Gates had exactly the same feeling. It was not disrespect for what was being taught 122 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,760 but maybe not exactly what he was interested in and so on. 123 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:04,760 So he was absorbing everything and not paying any attention to it at the same time. 124 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,880 Zuckerberg's invention of Facebook began with a false start. 125 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:15,080 At the time a facebook was just the name of this kind of printed album of students photos and details. 126 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,520 Zuckerberg used his fellow students' facebook pictures 127 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,600 to make a mischievous website, to rate their looks. 128 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,480 Kind of as a prank my roommates and I came up with this idea that 129 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,320 we'd go through and take all the pictures off of all the facebooks and make a site that 130 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:36,280 juxtaposed two of the same gender and let users click on the one that they thought was more attractive. 131 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,000 He called it Facemash. 132 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,960 Within hours of going online, there were complaints to the university authorities. 133 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,080 So you have a website that pisses off the administration. 134 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,200 I almost got kicked out of school for that. 135 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:50,640 HE LAUGHS 136 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,880 Yeah, that was a little chequered point in our history. 137 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,720 Joe Green was Zuckerberg's collaborator and roommate. 138 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,840 You can see Mark's mind at work, figuring out these social dynamics. 139 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,880 The Facemash was literally up for four or five hours and was like 140 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,680 the most used site on campus on a Sunday afternoon. 141 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,960 Harvard had been planning to put its facebooks online but shelved 142 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:17,480 the idea because of privacy issues highlighted by Facemash. 143 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:23,280 Harvard issued a statement that because of privacy concerns that I'd raised from this prank, 144 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,000 their online facebook would be delayed indefinitely. 145 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,440 So I was like well you know that's a bit like ridiculous like 146 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,600 these websites aren't that hard to make so I'll just kind of throw one together 147 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,200 in a week or a week and a half and we'll have our online Facebook. 148 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,160 So I did and that was "Thefacebook." 149 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,400 Thefacebook, as it was called, got round the privacy problem by inviting 150 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,720 people to post their own information, which they were eager to do. 151 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,560 Within a few days thousands of people were, were on it at Harvard and I remember in 152 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:55,240 ?the first week alone I'd come home from classes and see that 153 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:00,520 10% of students at Harvard were logged on at any one point in time. Then that was just really cool. 154 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,720 So then by the second week we'd all these people 155 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,720 from other colleges around us like MIT and other colleges 156 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,280 in the neighbourhood were e-mailing in asking if we could release Facebook at their schools too. 157 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,960 Zuckerberg wasn't your typical geek. He was as interested in 158 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,240 how people were using Facebook as in its computer code. 159 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:26,720 Is it the human side that drives you on this rather than the technological, the computing side? 160 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:32,200 It's really both. I took a lot of computer science classes and I was formerly a psychology major 161 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:37,680 and I think that those two things together really represent the DNA of what Facebook is. 162 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:42,760 We're a technology company and we design social products and there are a lot of 163 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,200 technology companies and a lot of people who think about social issues 164 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,160 but there aren't a lot of people doing both. 165 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:52,080 The genius is when you get a really creative person who can take different disciplines, 166 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:57,400 different subject matters and find where the opportunities are and spend lots of time being 167 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:02,280 creative with them and, and that certainly something that Zuckerberg took advantage of while he was here. 168 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,120 There aren't many 20-something's whose lives have been turned into 169 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,640 a Hollywood movie but Zuckerberg's has. 170 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:10,600 This site's life. 171 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,920 You know what? Let's go get a drink and celebrate. 172 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:19,240 The truth about Facebook's origins will always be compared to the story told in The Social Network. 173 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:25,800 This movie is, like it or not, the de facto myth to how Facebook was created. 174 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,280 I've covered this story for years 175 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,640 and I still have to think, "Now is this how it happened? 176 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,200 "Or is this how the movie said it happened?" 177 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,400 And that likely will always be true. 178 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,840 "As of yesterday evening," Zuckerberg said, 179 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,920 "over 650 students had registered to use thefacebook.com." 180 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:48,360 The movie centres on Zuckerberg's legal battle with his two fellow students, the Winklevoss twins. 181 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,040 If I was a drug dealer I couldn't give free drugs to 650 people in one day. 182 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,760 This guy doesn't have three friends to rub together. 183 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:02,800 In highlighting the Winklevoss case, the movie underplays the existence at the time of other social networks. 184 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,440 Even before he went to Harvard, Zuckerberg had worked on a website 185 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,920 at his school, which included an online student facebook. 186 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:15,600 And millions were already signed up to the social networks Friendster and Myspace. 187 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:23,120 In Britain, Friends Reunited had 16 million users - social networks were a feature of university life. 188 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,360 At campuses across the country tons of students were thinking up Facebook. 189 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,800 Maybe they didn't call it Facebook but at Brown University there was a site at Columbia University 190 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:36,920 there was a site, at the University of Texas there was a site and on and on and on and on. 191 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,960 The Winklevoss twins really did dispute ownership of Facebook and have done for years. 192 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,240 Our idea was stolen 193 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,560 by Mark Zuckerberg and we're basically trying to retrieve that back. 194 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:50,120 Can I get a large coffee, please? 195 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:57,120 Four years later Facebook settled with the Winklevoss' for $65 million, while still denying their claims. 196 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:04,400 Zuckerberg's former roommate Joe Green now runs his own online business but at college he 197 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,600 turned down an offer from Zuckerberg probably the best business offer ever 198 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,280 made to anyone this century on parental advice. 199 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,240 There was a moment when no-one knew what we'd be seeing 200 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,920 seven years down the line and you were invited to become part of it? 201 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:24,840 Yeah, I was asked to be a sort of part of it, cofounder 202 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,400 and I ended up... Zuck likes to jokingly call the billion dollar mistake but I, 203 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,040 combination of, erm... We got into a bit of trouble for Facemash 204 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,040 and my father's a professor and wasn't super-thrilled about that. 205 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,320 What was the conversation you had with your dad? 206 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,880 You know he was just, "You shouldn't be doing any more of these Zuckerberg projects." 207 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,280 But it's all good now. 208 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,320 With its Harvard origins, simple design and Zuckerberg's determination 209 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:57,560 never to let it crash, Facebook became the student network. 210 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,120 Zuckerberg began to wonder if it could be a real business 211 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,280 and whether he should drop out of college to find out. 212 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,560 I don't think Mark's family was hugely resistant to him 213 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,760 dropping out and trying this idea. 214 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,640 Of course any parent wants their kid to get a college degree 215 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:20,120 even if they've become a billionaire probably you know many parents would say, "It'd be good for you." 216 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,960 But I think that does begin to wane after the second or third billion, perhaps. 217 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:36,520 As the summer vacation arrived, Zuckerberg moved from east coast 218 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:44,680 to west swapping university life for a new one in California at the heart of the technology business. 219 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,560 There's only so long that you can build a high-tech company in 220 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,000 a college dorm surrounded by pizza boxes and piles of laundry. 221 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,080 There comes a time when you have to move to Silicon Valley 222 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,400 be surrounded by pizza boxes and piles of laundry here instead. 223 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:06,960 This is where Zuckerberg ended up, a small house in Silicon Valley 30 miles south of San Francisco. 224 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,640 He was joined by his Harvard friends. The students were pleased 225 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:17,000 to find that this being California, the new home included a pool. 226 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,360 Go! Go! Ahhhh! 227 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,280 I didn't die. I know. 228 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,680 The Social Network movie shows how they used it. 229 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,400 OK. Ready... 230 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,440 Zuckerberg was starting to make media contacts. 231 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,040 So I took a phone call with this young guy 232 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,720 and there was all this noise 233 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,880 in the background and he told me it was because he was living in a house in Palo Alto with his friends 234 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,000 and they were all in the backyard 235 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,080 and he had all kinds of things, stretched out in the backyard. 236 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,680 He had a zip line across the backyard and they were all hanging out. 237 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:59,800 Those who studied Facebook's history say this was only part of the story. 238 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,120 DOORBELL RINGS 239 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,880 That's the doorbell. I didn't know we had a doorbell. Andrew... 240 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,000 The movie's portrayal of Facebook Palo Alto experiences is not accurate. 241 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,200 It was a serious bunch of guys that had a sense of mission from the beginning. 242 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,240 They worked incredibly hard, they also partied hard. 243 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:25,880 Zuckerberg was serious about Facebook but the tales of poolside parties weren't pure Hollywood mythology. 244 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:32,240 The owner's inventory when the students left lists barbeque ashes dumped in a flowerpot, 245 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:37,800 a pool filter shattered by broken glass, damage to a chimney from a zip wire. 246 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,320 I think it's probably fair to say there wasn't all work that summer. 247 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,520 # Disco sounds, it's all on the west coast... # 248 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,920 By the autumn, Facebook had reached 200,000 users. 249 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,720 Every day it needed to rent 250 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,720 more computing power and that meant looking for some serious investment. 251 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,280 Facebook had reached a critical juncture. 252 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,240 How big did Zuckerberg want it to be? 253 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:07,920 He started making contact with Silicon Valley's venture capitalists. 254 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:12,760 He was in shorts and flip-flops, I mean there wasn't anything formal about it. 255 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,600 He got a meeting with veteran investor, Ron Conway. 256 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,720 I asked him how big can this company get? 257 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:25,400 He said, with a 100% conviction, "We can get to 300 million users." 258 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,040 Zuckerberg landed a first investment of $500,000. 259 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,120 He hired an office above a Chinese restaurant. 260 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:39,320 Within a few months Facebook reached its first million users. 261 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,440 18 months after the founding of Facebook a light bulb went on 262 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:50,040 in Zuck's mind and said, "Wow! This thing's growing at thousands of percent a month. 263 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,960 "This is a real company." Partying wasn't interesting any more. 264 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,960 In 2005, the year after it was launched, Facebook hit five million users. 265 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:10,000 The big investment companies in Silicon Valley's Sand Hill Road started paying serious attention. 266 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,440 Are you getting courted by 267 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,080 big companies that what to buy this? 268 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,040 Yeah, a few but it's a lot of work 269 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:24,880 to maintain it and to grow and add new stuff so there's not a lot of time to talk to people. 270 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,640 Soon the very biggest players in technology didn't just want to invest 271 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:33,480 in Facebook, they wanted to buy the entire business. 272 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:40,320 In 2006, Zuckerberg refused an offer from Yahoo for $1 billion. 273 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,400 Everyone around the company, a lot of the investors and the executives were you know, it was like, 274 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,240 "You could sell this for $1 billion. What the hell's wrong with you?" 275 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:54,120 It takes an almost sort of insane degree of vision 276 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:56,840 and self-confidence to be able to sort of weather through that storm. 277 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,920 The next year Zuckerberg took a big gamble, freeing Facebook from the 278 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,320 world of universities by opening it up to anyone with an e-mail address. 279 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:13,800 Suddenly 50,000 new users a day were joining. Dude, what's up? Dude, you're on TV? 280 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:20,120 Facebook was courted by Microsoft with an offer that made a billion look like an insult. 281 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:26,840 When Microsoft in 2007 offered $15 billion for it, he wasn't interested in taking that either. 282 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:33,760 That to me is the most amazing story because when he was 23 years old he could have made over $4 billion 283 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:39,800 personally, by selling it. He didn't even consider accepting it. I think that shows what kind of a guy he is. 284 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,040 The kind of offers that were coming in to you were like 285 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:47,800 15 billion from Microsoft, how does a 23 year old manage to say no to that? 286 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,400 Well, the hardest one was when Yahoo offered us a billion dollars 287 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:58,400 because that was the first really big offer and at the time I knew nothing about business. 288 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,160 So I knew nothing about what a company would be worth and I had to 289 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,120 make this argument to people that somehow this was going to be the 290 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:09,240 right decision and from the people who weren't in it for the long-term, I think a lot of them left. 291 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,720 And then we got a new wave of people who were really committed, 292 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,560 so that by the time that Microsoft and others tried to buy the company, we'd already made those decisions. 293 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,200 We knew we weren't going to sell the company and that we were going to build it. 294 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,520 It's one thing to run an insanely successful start-up. 295 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,200 I want to find out how Facebook works as a big business. 296 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,840 And how it plans to grow even bigger by using the personal data 297 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,920 its users give it whilst still retaining their trust? 298 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:45,200 This is its headquarters south of San Francisco at the end of a residential street in Silicon Valley. 299 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:50,320 Senior Manager Dan Rose gives me the tour. This is Facebook. 300 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:55,960 Looking round the office it's hard to guess who's on work experience and who's a top exec. 301 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,360 This open kind of format where people 302 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:04,360 don't sit in offices really lends itself to collaboration. Where would Mark's office be then? 303 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:08,760 Well, Mark actually sits at a desk right over here just like everyone else. What, this is him? 304 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,800 This is him here, yeah. 305 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:18,160 With the famous hoodie? Yeah, There's his hoodie and a Mark Zuckerberg doll on his desk. 306 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,000 So he wants to sit out here, no office. 307 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,720 Yeah and he collaborates with everyone just like the rest of the company. 308 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,360 As Facebook has grown, Zuckerberg's tried to hang on to the energy and flexibility of a start-up. 309 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,760 "Move fast and break things" 310 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,520 is its unofficial motto. 311 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,560 Zuckerberg's still closely involved in the details. 312 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,720 He spends an enormous amount of time in the office. 313 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,640 One of the ways that he really operates is to engage with 314 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,200 our engineers and our product leaders 315 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,240 around the design of the new products that we're building. 316 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,240 But when he's not in the office, he's usually at home on Facebook 317 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,560 talking to all of our employees about different things that we're working on. 318 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,600 Andrew Bosworth is Facebook's chief engineer. 319 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,680 he has to run it past the boss. 320 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,800 He's less concerned with the code He lets us deal with that. 321 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,800 But in terms of the look and feel and certainly 322 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,040 all the integration of the products 323 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,840 he's a strong voice and when 324 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,880 you're launching a product at Facebook, the Zucker view is kind of those things that 325 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,120 you really work towards and your product is really buttoned up and, 326 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:26,000 he uses all the products while you're being developed and gives notes like very kind of like 327 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,440 lengthy notes over the weekend so writing four or five paragraphs of things we need to do differently. 328 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,480 And tries to provide the high-level direction so we understand 329 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,480 why he's doing things the way he's doing them. 330 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,280 Everyone at Facebook's expected to move fast. 331 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:45,680 New programmers get a chance to write computer code that contributes to the site in their first few days at work. 332 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,840 I'm given some tasks to work on and I've already actually 333 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,040 pushed codes on to Facebook's website. 334 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,800 Within two weeks of working here. 335 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,880 So I told all my friends and my mum, "Hey, check out this little piece of code. It's now mine!" 336 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,760 It was really exciting. So what would I see if I went on and I go, "This bit's Eric's!" 337 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:07,800 I change how some of the text looks in the top right corner of one of the boxes. 338 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,720 It's kind of smaller stuff but 339 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,640 it's still seen by like 750 million people, right? 340 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:19,120 When we push it out and you see it on the live site, it's just so rewarding. 341 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:20,800 It's mind-boggling. 342 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:31,000 Facebook has the classic Silicon Valley office style - the food is free, you can get your washing done, 343 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,840 there are games to give your brain a rest from programming... 344 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,440 ..or you can RipStik and work on a coding problem at the same time. 345 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:47,440 Finally, if your keyboard breaks in the early hours, you don't have to wait for the IT dept to open. 346 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,080 Useful. 347 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,800 Investors had always fought for the chance to buy into Facebook, 348 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,200 without worrying too much about how it was going to make money. 349 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,920 But by 2008, with more than 100 million users, 350 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:11,360 it was time to think seriously about harnessing its huge audience to a profitable business model. 351 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,480 But how? 352 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,360 Well, there was one company in Silicon Valley that was legendary for having built 353 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:25,600 an audience BEFORE finding a way to make money on a grand scale. 354 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,840 Google. 355 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,120 Zuckerberg approached one of its star executives. 356 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:36,400 Poaching Sheryl Sandberg is seen as one of his biggest coups. 357 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,720 We had one dinner out at this little restaurant called Flea Street Cafe. 358 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,880 After that we just literally had dinner 359 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,720 at my house and Mark would say sometimes you know, 360 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,400 "I'm so sorry I can't invite you over for dinner." 361 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,800 But at the time he only had 362 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,640 I think a one... Not even a one bedroom, like a one-room apartment. 363 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,280 He didn't have any furniture, like he had a futon. 364 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,720 He thought that would be awkward, which it would have been. 365 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,000 We spent hours, dozens and dozens of hours on, 366 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,520 over weeks, just making sure that this was the right fit because it... 367 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,280 That's what's important, right? 368 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,720 There was no question about, "Is she good enough? 369 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,600 "Or is the company good enough?" It was all like just, "Are we trying to do the same thing?" 370 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,640 Eventually there was agreement and Sandberg switched from Google to Facebook. 371 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,920 Enter Sheryl Sandberg. Sheryl was necessary at that company 372 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,840 because she knew exactly how to build a company from start-up phase to grown-up phase. 373 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:35,760 She'd done that very effectively at Google and most important, Sheryl had chemistry with Mark. 374 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,760 Sandberg knew exactly how Google had made a fortune from advertising. 375 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:45,240 On the very day Facebook was launched at Harvard, Sandberg was explaining to 376 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,320 BBC viewers why Google's advertising system works so well. 377 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,120 With Google you on the web searching for information 378 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:56,200 and we give you an ad as part of that search. 379 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,280 So it's integral to what you're already looking for. 380 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,880 Google offers advertisers the chance to put their message 381 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,560 in front of people who are ready to buy at that very moment. 382 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,960 One example - Panama hats. Let's say I was looking for Panama hats today. 383 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,560 Here I go Panama Hats Direct. A very specific search looking for a very specific product 384 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,760 and the advertiser is able to find me and I'm looking for that product. 385 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:28,680 Sandberg's challenge was to come up with Facebook's version of the Google money machine. 386 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,000 We don't compete in the search market, we're not competing for the Google ad dollars 387 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,640 in search marketing in the sense that when you are looking 388 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,680 for a product, you don't actually come to Facebook, you go to Google. 389 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,960 According to Sandberg, Facebook ads like TV or magazine ads 390 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,600 are there to tempt you with new products and ideas. 391 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,600 Where we are is actually in demand-generation. 392 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,320 So when you think about your TV ads, TV ads that are shown to you, 393 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,640 other ads that are shown to you, you're not in active searching mode for something to buy. 394 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,720 You're not fulfilling demand - you're actually generating demand, 395 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,880 something you didn't know you wanted. 396 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,200 And when you think about what people are doing on Facebook, they're much more in discovery mode. 397 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:16,480 So could the fact that Facebook users aren't searching for products or services be an advertising advantage? 398 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,600 Some outsiders are sceptical. 399 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,120 Professor Ben Edelman studies online businesses. 400 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,960 They're hoping that advertisers will bet on the future value of a customer 401 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,800 even if in the short run 402 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,520 the customer actually doesn't buy much of anything at all. 403 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:37,160 If one accepts ephemeral value, value that's hard to measure, possible future value as reasons 404 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,880 to conduct the advertising, then it certainly is possible to justify. 405 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,040 Of course that could justify just about anything. 406 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,440 Advertise on the far side of the moon and when the aliens finally get to you, 407 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,320 they'll know what they need to buy. 408 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:58,160 In comparison with Google, Facebook undeniably holds one trump card, which is already proving profitable. 409 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,320 Facebook is probably the most valuable 410 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,480 marketing research tool that's ever existed. 411 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,840 In a way, it's the most valuable research tool for anything about people that has ever existed. 412 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:13,080 Facebook lets advertisers reach large numbers of just the kind of people they want 413 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,000 by tapping into the information they've revealed about themselves whilst they're using the site. 414 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,880 When you place an ad on Facebook, which anyone can do from a normal laptop, 415 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,720 you get the chance to narrow down the whole of the Facebook population 416 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,560 and target just the people you think will be interested in your product. 417 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:37,720 So supposing you run a beauty salon and you've got a special offer for brides. 418 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:43,200 Facebook offers you access in the UK to 30 million people. 419 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,240 Now we're going to narrow it down and say, we're looking for the women. 420 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,520 Estimated reach is now telling me it's 15 million, about half of that. 421 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,800 So then we're trying to find the word that will target the right people, 422 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,880 so we're going to type in, in interests, the word 'beauty.' 423 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:04,120 And that's now brought the number down to just under half a million. 424 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,360 And now, because I'm targeting brides, I can be even more specific, 425 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,400 I can go down to the relationship status box 426 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,720 and here I target those women who are 'engaged.' 427 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,360 And suddenly we've brought that number right down to 27,000 people. 428 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:27,920 And that is the way that the adverts can be targeted precisely to the core demographic you want to reach. 429 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,920 The advertisers don't know who you are, doesn't know what your name is 430 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,720 or where you live, but it knows you as a number 431 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,360 and it can use that number. 432 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,920 Although anyone at home can place an ad on Facebook, 433 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:48,000 there's a new kind of agency turning out Facebook ads on an industrial scale. 434 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,440 TBG is a London company specialising in Facebook ads. 435 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,440 Its boss, Simon Mansell, 436 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,520 believes he's part of a big change in advertising. 437 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,200 It's turned much more from an art form to more of a science 438 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,640 and that's sometimes where some big traditional companies have struggled 439 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,920 because they were artists and now they have to try and be scientists. 440 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,360 TBG doesn't rely on creatives to guess what people will respond to, 441 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,920 instead its software runs mass experiments on many possible versions of a Facebook ad. 442 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,680 Even though the ads are small, 443 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,760 there's three different parts of the ad - 444 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,360 the headline, the image and the little piece of copy for most Facebook ads 445 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,800 and there's 12 different targeting criteria. 446 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,160 Age, gender, relationship status, that kind of thing. 447 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,440 So once you've multiplied those up, there's thousands of different permutations. 448 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,880 TBG typically tries 27,000 variants on an ad. 449 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:47,280 Charlotte Knights is working on a campaign for Heineken, promoting a sponsored music festival in Poland. 450 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,080 Initially, we can see this image here is outperforming this image. 451 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,240 Then TBG decides who should be shown which version of the ad. 452 00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:02,520 What our software does is it would work out which ad variant works best for which audience. 453 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,320 So it might be that a 25-year-old in New York City who likes cats 454 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,880 responds differently to a 33-year-old male in London who likes dogs. 455 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,400 Facebook knows about its users from what they have done on the site. 456 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:21,160 So your ad can specifically go towards this specific age group, this specific gender, 457 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:27,040 this kind of person and if you say, "I like Heineken, oh, I had a really nice Heineken earlier," 458 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,440 then it will take it from that. 459 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,800 Facebook's advertising revenue's expected to top $3 billion this year, 460 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,040 but there are still some in the ad business who question Facebook 461 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,080 as a new advertising medium. 462 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,280 The primary interaction here is the social interactions, 463 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,000 it's a social network, it's not a commercial network 464 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,680 and therefore I think you use it commercially at your peril. 465 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,040 The potential of Facebook is more, in my mind, as a public relations medium 466 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,880 than it is as an in-your-face advertising medium. 467 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,160 Elliot Schrage deals with public policy for Facebook. 468 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,880 I asked him what he made of Sir Martin Sorrell's point 469 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,560 that people come to Facebook for social and not commercial messages. 470 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,560 I think we're well on our way to finding a very protective balance 471 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:18,080 of providing people with information they want to receive from friends, 472 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,600 recognising that most people, when they're in their course of the Facebook experience, 473 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,200 are not focused on purely commercial activities. 474 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,480 Indeed, if you compare us to any online service, any newspaper, 475 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,000 I think the percentage of space devoted to commercially related 476 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,160 or commercially orientated messages is tiny. 477 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,920 Now, if the first part of Facebook's strategy is to sell ads using its targeting ability, 478 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,520 the second it to invite businesses themselves on to Facebook 479 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,000 and they can set up their own pages. 480 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,280 Pages act pretty much like people on Facebook, 481 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:04,200 but instead of being friends with a business you can choose to 'like' it. 482 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:10,520 When you say you 'like' it, you're allowing it to send you messages, as you would a friend. 483 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,880 And if it strikes you as an odd thing to do, well, have a look at this. 484 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,920 Nearly 35 million people have pressed the 'like' button for Coca-Cola. 485 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,360 Rather than being the passive recipients of ads, 486 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:34,040 when people connect to Facebook pages, they're choosing to link themselves to brands and products. 487 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,720 Managing those relationships is a new kind of marketing. 488 00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:45,440 Here in New York, Buddy Media helps big businesses talk to millions of people who 'like' them on Facebook. 489 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,280 If you're one of the top advertisers in the world, 490 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,040 we work with eight out of the top ten global advertisers. 491 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,560 You may have 400 brands 492 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,440 and you may do business in every country in every language 493 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,040 so what you need is the ability to really manage all this content globally. 494 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,960 And you cannot do it without software and then on top of that we tell them what's working, 495 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,400 what's not working. How do you really optimise what's going on? 496 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,840 How you get the right content to the right people? 497 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,360 Companies try to get chatting to their Facebook fans because when anyone responds, 498 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:25,200 what they've said and the company's name will automatically spread to all their Facebook friends. 499 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,120 So now Pretzel Crisps is doing things like 500 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,920 posting the recipes of ways to eat pretzels 501 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,800 and asking questions and asking people to comment on these recipes. 502 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,040 You can see people are starting to engage, in this case 174 people have actually engaged, 503 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,520 in this conversation about these recipes. 504 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,400 Which you'd never be able to do anywhere else. 505 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,840 Marketing people call it 'word of mouth at scale.' 506 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,320 Social media for the last million years has been about just word of mouth 507 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,800 so even when the wheel was created, people said, 508 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,240 "Wow, the wheel is here, you've got to check this thing out!" 509 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:05,960 And so that obviously spread like wildfire, 510 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,720 but it took time to go, you know, within a community and then to another community. 511 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,560 With Facebook, it spreads instantaneously. 512 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,720 You don't have to be a multinational to want to communicate to your customers on Facebook. 513 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:24,920 Representing small enterprises on Facebook has become a new cottage industry. 514 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,600 You do guitar lessons? We'll do repairs and obviously sell... 515 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,280 Beverley Ames-Rookes runs Facebook pages for small businesses. 516 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,680 What's really nice with Facebook is you can listen to what people say about your business 517 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,040 and then you can interact with them. 518 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,400 Today she's trying to sign up new clients in her Surrey village. 519 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,680 I can do it all, your Facebook banner, 520 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,720 I create your albums, update your albums for you. 521 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:55,120 Beverley, hi, hello. Emily. How was it? How did it go in there? 522 00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:00,600 'Beverley creates a page for each client and then posts news and comments as that business 523 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,120 'to Facebook users and on other social networks.' 524 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,040 She can find herself communicating as a shop, a pub, 525 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,920 or even an exotic holiday resort in Asia, which she has at least visited. 526 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,160 I felt the atmosphere, I know when the DJs are playing, I know when there's live music. 527 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:26,120 I know the local beers so I can talk easily on behalf of those venues. 528 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,560 In the last couple of days, take us through what you've actually said. 529 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,200 All right. "Banana Tempura Caramel Toffee Ice Cream! 530 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,640 "Who's feeling naughty?" As you can see, 531 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,880 it pushes for a response and what you're trying to do is to get people to interact with you. 532 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,960 OK, so Helga says, "Sounds yummy, hope I can try it in August." 533 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,880 Suzee Jones says, "September for me!!" And Kitty White, "Original!!!" 534 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,880 With lots of exclamation marks. I don't know what Kitty is making of that one. 535 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,600 'Each time someone comments, the resort's mentioned to that person's friends.' 536 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,040 That will show up that they've commented on a page 537 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,920 so all of a sudden we've got a bit of exposure on somebody's profile. 538 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,560 Facebook claims that when a business is brought to someone's attention by a friend, 539 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,480 it's a much more powerful form of recommendation than an ordinary advert. But is it? 540 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,400 You're similar to your friends and the ads that your friends respond to, you respond to also, so yes, 541 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,880 people come in clusters, 542 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,360 yes, what your friends bought, you might buy, 543 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,400 but you might have bought it anyway. 544 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,600 To what extent can Facebook truly take credit for that? 545 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,240 After targeted advertising in Facebook pages, 546 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:40,280 the next part of Facebook's business armoury is its amazing ability to keep users glued to the site. 547 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,920 Facebook sessions typically last around half an hour and most users come back often. 548 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,160 I probably spend about half an hour a day on Facebook. 549 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,960 Everyday, a few times a day. Not more than an hour total a day. 550 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,520 I spend two hours on Facebook a day. 551 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,120 Probably about three hours a day. About three-and-a-half hours a day. 552 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,960 Three, four hours during the day. 553 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,600 I don't think I have it that bad, I know people who go on it every hour. 554 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,000 At Facebook, we're pushing to make the world a more open place. 555 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,440 Facebook users are kept hooked partly as a result of a decision Zuckerberg made four years ago 556 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,960 to open the site up to other software developers. 557 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,320 This year, there are more people than ever at Facebook's developer conference. 558 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,120 Facebook isn't just a website, it's also what's known in techy circles as 'a platform.' 559 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,560 This means that software developers from other companies 560 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,600 can write programmes which then run on Facebook. 561 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:50,840 Apps, in other words, and the reason Facebook likes that is because it provides more to do, 562 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:56,280 but also because these apps create a kind of technology eco-system 563 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,880 with Facebook right at the core. 564 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:04,640 Now there are more than a million different developers who build things on top of Facebook 565 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,440 and are trying to bring these great experiences to people. 566 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,960 And, you know, we think to ourselves we're just a small company and we have, I'm sure, 567 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:19,160 all these people who are using our products but we have 500, 600 engineers building all this stuff. 568 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:24,720 Companies like Microsoft or Google have tens of thousands of engineers. We're tiny compared to that. 569 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:29,520 So how can we ever possibly build all the stuff that we want to see get out there 570 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,120 and the answer is build an eco-system and make it so that 571 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:38,240 all these developers, whether it's a student in a dorm room who hasn't had a job yet 572 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:42,920 or a big company or a company that we've never heard of in some other country can build this stuff. 573 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,960 And that's the part that's so cool about it. 574 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,520 When Zuckerberg opened Facebook to developers, 575 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,680 nobody guessed that the runaway success would be Facebook based games. 576 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:59,600 London is home to the world's second biggest social gaming company. 577 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,840 Kristian Sergestrale, the co-founder of Playfish, employs 350 people 578 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,080 to make games for his 100 million regular players. 579 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,520 Facebook has created the level of infrastructure 580 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,000 which means you can visit your real friends' houses, 581 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,280 interact with your real friends' characters, 582 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,640 give them gifts and so on. 583 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,560 And you can work on things together 584 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,920 which simply brings an entirely new dimension to computer games. 585 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,000 And in some ways almost takes games back to where they came from. 586 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,000 So it's as much about interaction as it is about what's going on in the screen. 587 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,760 In the company's San Francisco office, two of its customers 588 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,360 have come in to show how they play a couple of the most popular games. 589 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:44,800 Michelle Maruyama is a violinist and has been playing Restaurant City for two years. 590 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,120 I sometimes really enjoy playing right after I come home from work, 591 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,600 if there's a conductor I don't like or something. 592 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,200 But if I'm just home all day practising, 593 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,480 you can just stop once an hour and check on your restaurant. 594 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:05,080 The games are designed to keep you hooked with timed penalties if you don't keep checking in. 595 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,240 It's definitely a chore and it definitely cuts into your spare time. 596 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:14,280 I know that I used to read the New Yorker pretty much cover to cover every single week 597 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,760 and I know that I absolutely do not do that any more. 598 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:22,440 John House plays Pet Society, which has attracted up to 21 million users a month. 599 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,160 You have a virtual home 600 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,200 and you have your one virtual pet 601 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,560 and you have a bunch of friends that you can visit. 602 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,400 Playfish pets have their own peculiar biological functions. 603 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:42,920 They poop, and they poop different types of poop so there is the carrot cake poo. 604 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,200 There's the creme egg poo. 605 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,080 There is the snake poo from the wizards' school. 606 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,320 These kinds of special items are the key to a new revenue stream for Facebook 607 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,600 because game players can pay real money for virtual goods. 608 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,600 They pay by sending money to Facebook to buy credits. 609 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,320 It's already a business worth hundreds of millions of dollars. 610 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:12,000 John was so pleased with his special duck poo that he paid a pound for a virtual case to display it in. 611 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,880 And Facebook takes a third of that, but John has no complaints. 612 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,080 You know what? For that giant duck poo, it's worth it. 613 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:32,960 Facebook's strategy, including games and Facebook pages, has attracted ever-growing numbers to the site, 614 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,600 but the company has an even bigger ambition on the wider web. 615 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,880 Today, millions of websites have links to Facebook on them 616 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,960 and if you use these links with your Facebook identity, 617 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:51,000 you can communicate with your friends on Facebook even if you're on an entirely different site. 618 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,200 For Mark Zuckerberg, it's the fulfilment of a grand ambition 619 00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,240 to provide the pipes through which the world's social connections can start to flow 620 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:05,680 and in the process, Facebook's beginning to colonise the whole of the web. 621 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,920 Zuckerberg's dorm project has come a long way in seven years, 622 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,880 not just as a piece of technology, but as a change to the way many people relate to each other. 623 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,080 It's easier to communicate with people, 624 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,280 but it also makes communicating less personal. 625 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,800 Let's say I was with my boyfriend, instead of paying attention to him, I'm on my Facebook. 626 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:35,120 It's an idyllic representation of who you are which I think can get misinterpreted by yourself even. 627 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:40,360 Probably 80% is the real me on there, the rest of it's just what I want people to see. 628 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:46,080 My dad posts on my wall sometimes. I have to delete that. He will just post "I love you sweetie!" 629 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,040 I'm like "Dad!" But that's sweet. It's nice but it's a little too much. 630 00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:03,120 Today, Facebook seems unstoppable. A huge social world online that runs in parallel with the real world. 631 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,200 Many Facebook users already spend more time with their Facebook friends 632 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:14,320 than meeting real friends, but do their personas on Facebook reflect their real selves? 633 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,920 Jaron Lanier is one of the pioneer inventors of virtual reality. 634 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:24,520 He says Facebook's version of our lives is too rigid and one dimensional. 635 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,880 What's happened with Facebook in particular 636 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,120 is this sort of flattening where everybody's stuff looks the same, 637 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,960 everybody's just filling out a form. 638 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:37,040 It's so strange. It used to be that when you filled out forms, 639 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,320 it was acknowledged that that was the fake aspect of your life. 640 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,320 You fill out forms to apply for school 641 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,360 and you fill out forms at the doctor's office, 642 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,400 but nobody would say, "This is who I really am, 643 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,040 "if you want to know me, know my forms." 644 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,720 There are signs of a backlash against the assumptions of Facebook. 645 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,120 So how much is the attraction of Facebook an escape? 646 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,000 We're in terrible economic times, 647 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,640 terribly reduced prospects and you see a lot of young people 648 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,680 investing tremendous pride in their online personas or their online lives 649 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,160 and yeah, you have to wonder if Facebook, Twitter and the rest 650 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,280 are serving as a sort of bread and circuses, as a distraction, 651 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,040 as a way to ignore the real world in front of one's nose. 652 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:37,040 BJ Fogg is a psychologist who studies online behaviour. 653 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,040 A lot of people stay in touch on Facebook that wouldn't have stayed in touch otherwise. 654 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:46,360 It's giving us a lot more relationships that are weaker 655 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,440 and it's taking our strongest relationships 656 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,400 and it's weakening those. 657 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,840 Because if you have 800 friends on Facebook, you're not going to 658 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,720 have time to put the energy into the most important relationships. 659 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:03,480 Facebook wants its world to be like our real social world, but the Facebook world 660 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,640 now includes brands and businesses as part of the conversations. 661 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,720 Facebook says that just makes it more like real life, but are those 662 00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:15,920 commercial messages a part of life that users want to find on Facebook? 663 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,400 Mark's vision of the world 664 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,040 is one where we're better if we are more open and connected. 665 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,640 My life is improved by knowing what you're doing, 666 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,560 if I care what you're doing and if I've chosen to connect to a Starbucks, 667 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,480 I want their announcements, just like I friend someone, I've chosen this. 668 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:37,920 We have social ads and we have non-social ads, right, 669 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,760 and so you can either for example see an ad from Coca-Cola 670 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,200 that is just Coca-Cola saying drink Coca-Cola. 671 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,800 Or you can see an ad where your friend who likes Coca-Cola, 672 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,440 the ad is just this person likes Coca-Cola 673 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,360 and which one do you think people who use Facebook prefer? 674 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,640 They want to see something about their friends, they want to learn about what their friends are doing. 675 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:04,720 But when Facebook has tried to mix social messages with advertising in the past, it's run into trouble. 676 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:09,600 We've built a little product called 'Beacon' that's going to allow you to do this from your own website. 677 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,840 Beacon told people's friends what they were buying. 678 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,120 There were furious complaints and Zuckerberg withdrew it with apologies. 679 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,360 We really think about the trust issues. 680 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:24,200 A lot of people right now are upset with us over these changes and I take that really seriously. 681 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,280 After a series of such controversies, a pattern has emerged. 682 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,760 Facebook tends to do a three steps forward, one step back launch approach. 683 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,480 It often launches products that really push us, tests the water, 684 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:44,320 so to speak, and then Facebook pulls back and begins to roll it out again more slowly. 685 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,080 So if you look, for example, at the products 686 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,680 that caused the most tension say three or four years ago, 687 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:56,720 all of those products exist in various facets of Facebook today and nobody's talking about them 688 00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:00,400 because at this point culturally we're all comfortable with them. 689 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,280 Today there's another Facebook idea that users might be uncomfortable with. 690 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:11,120 If you click a like button on a business' Facebook page, that business can pay Facebook 691 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,880 to display a little box in the right hand column of your friends' pages 692 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,120 with your picture and the logo of the business, telling them you've liked it. 693 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:24,360 Facebook calls it a sponsored story and you can't opt out. 694 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:31,000 So if you found your name and face in a sponsored story would you say, "Harmless enough?" 695 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,680 Or would you feel you'd been used in an ad without anyone asking your permission? 696 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:46,320 If I press a like button on a brand, that could pop up as a sponsored story. 697 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,720 I might not know about it, I certainly wouldn't necessarily agree to it. 698 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:54,840 But when you press a like button on a brand or on an ad 699 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,640 or on a page, you're saying "I like this". 700 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,040 I'm not saying I advertise this. 701 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,360 Well, I suppose when you... So let's pause. 702 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,000 It's an interesting... 703 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,040 I mean, you're asking a profound question - what's advertising? 704 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:26,720 When I press a like button on an ad, I'm trying, 705 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:32,880 on the Facebook system, I'm affirmatively communicating that I'm associating myself 706 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,280 with whatever I'm liking and what that does is it creates a story. 707 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,920 But you can call it a story, many people would call it an advertisement 708 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,800 and Facebook is getting paid for those by the companies. 709 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,280 I think... I...I...I... 710 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:52,320 It's a ranking mechanism, I don't know if I would call it an advertisement. 711 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:57,200 Sponsored stories highlight the critical dilemma for Facebook. 712 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:03,480 How far can it go in using personal information without its users feeling exploited? 713 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,720 It says it gives users full control over their privacy, 714 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:09,960 but it also believes a more open world would be better. 715 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:16,120 Do you fundamentally believe that people will gradually become more open, 716 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,320 that they'll regard privacy with less concern? 717 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,200 No, I don't think that... It's not that people won't care about privacy. 718 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,280 I think privacy is a really fundamental thing and I think everyone cares about it. 719 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,560 I think the big cultural change is that now more and more people are finding that 720 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,400 they can build a reputation, they can help discover stuff, get credit for that, 721 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,040 they can be part of discovering other people's stuff. 722 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:44,240 And I just think that people are seeing every day that that's awesome. 723 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:47,120 And that's why I think the world is moving in that direction. 724 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,920 But people every day also wake up and I think are like, 725 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,240 "What stuff do I want to have out there and what don't I?" I don't think that will change. 726 00:51:54,240 --> 00:52:00,360 But how much do Facebook's business needs create a tension between privacy and sharing? 727 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,200 They've chosen terminology and at least as important, 728 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,080 they've chosen a user interface design that encourages sharing. 729 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,520 They've set their defaults in a way that makes it seem like this is 730 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,560 the right and normal and natural thing to do. 731 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,800 I'm not so sure it really is, I'm not so sure that it's been 732 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,320 the way of things or needs to be the way of things 733 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:25,800 for every picture you take to be distributed to hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of people. 734 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,640 And yet they've tried to convince us that's the new normal and that's the way it should be. 735 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,080 They've always said, "Facebook's about helping you share, with the people around you". 736 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:41,200 So if my privacy settings are set to open, 737 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:46,040 Facebook as a company, as a business model, will do better? 738 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,920 Oh, yeah, absolutely, and if you were an investor in Facebook, you would insist on that. 739 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:56,000 You would insist on that. It's like, we become a bigger company, faster, 740 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,680 wealthier faster the more people share and the more they share openly. 741 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,120 So as a business strategy, as your investor, I insist this is how you design the interface. 742 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,200 Facebook insists its advertising model 743 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,240 does not depend on its users agreeing to be less private. 744 00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,920 Our goal is to make it so that people share what they want to. 745 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,560 And we believe that over time, people are going to want to share more things. 746 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:26,000 That's a big trend that we see happening in the world, but we don't benefit from being ahead of it. 747 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,560 If we have people share things that they don't want to, 748 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,800 they'll stop using our service and not like us. 749 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,800 Facebook's revenue is expected to more than double this year, 750 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,280 to $4 billion. 751 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,960 If its challenge was to come up with a way of making money 752 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,760 that played to its strengths, well, it's done a pretty good job. 753 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,600 Is it now set to rival Google? 754 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,040 Well, earlier this year, Google responded with the most sincere 755 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:59,160 form of flattery, launching its own social network, Google +. 756 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,720 We are pretty excited about the capability of Google +. 757 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:06,360 We think we can make sharing even easier than it is today. 758 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,360 I think you're going to see a much better experience as we continue to innovate. 759 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,200 Google + already has 40 million users and the means to recruit more. 760 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,680 You now have effectively a two-horse race. 761 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:23,800 Google is a very rich, very global company that has a number of engines to drive traffic 762 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:30,280 into its social network, notably Gmail, YouTube and Google search products. 763 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,760 And all three of those tools can be used by Google to drive people toward Google +. 764 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,240 Is that a threat for you now, Google +? Do you take that seriously? 765 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:45,960 Yeah, Google's a great company and I think we want to look at and learn from 766 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,160 everything that they do, but at the same time, you know, 767 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:57,280 people have shared a lot on Facebook and they already have told a lot of their life story on Facebook. 768 00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,240 And we think that we have by far the better tools for doing that. 769 00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:05,280 This year, we're taking the next step. 770 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,320 We're going to make it so you can connect to anything you want in any way you want. 771 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,920 Facebook is widely expected to float on the stock market next year 772 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,600 as the biggest tech business to do so since Google. 773 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:25,920 If it is worth $100 billion, that would make it bigger than McDonald's or Amazon and twice as big as Tesco. 774 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,120 This is a very young company, it's just starting to figure out 775 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:35,160 strategies for making money and I think advertising is only one component of that. 776 00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,120 So if this company were to truly want to start monetising 777 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,840 I think that $100 billion may start to feel tiny. 778 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,960 Facebook's long-term value may depend on users' concerns about privacy 779 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,920 and whether they feel comfortable sending Facebook their information. 780 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,920 The big issue is privacy. 781 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:58,400 I just have an inkling that closed networks, networks that are more private, 782 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,880 that are more restricted ultimately actually become... 783 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,920 may become more interesting. 784 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:09,160 My advice to Facebook would be you've got to maintain the trust of your users, 785 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,400 that's the number one asset. If you lose that, 786 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:16,240 you're vulnerable to Google and others winning this game. 787 00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:21,360 And that's where Zuckerberg himself is vital to Facebook. 788 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,640 He could be worth $17 billion after a stock market floatation, 789 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,680 but as long as most users believe in his sincerity, 790 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,760 they'll probably accept whatever changes Facebook throws at them 791 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,760 because by all accounts he hasn't changed much. 792 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,000 Mark drives the same four-year-old Acura 793 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,480 that I recommended that he get a few years ago. 794 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,360 Like, you know, and still lives, you know... 795 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,960 He's finally bought a house, but it's not like he bought some crazy mansion. 796 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,680 He bought a house in Palo Alto. 797 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,680 But, you know, really being, you know, one of Mark's stated interests on Facebook is minimalism. 798 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,720 He doesn't care for material possessions at all. 799 00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:03,680 He actually wears the same jeans and the same t-shirt and jacket everyday. 800 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,080 In fact, one of the things I first did when I came to the company 801 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:12,560 is told a lot of people, "He has a lot of those jackets, don't worry, he's not wearing the same jacket 802 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,800 "every single day, it's just many versions of the same jacket. 803 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,000 Zuckerberg just wants to keep a low profile 804 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,920 and get on with what he loves - designing new features for the site. 805 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:28,280 But even inside Facebook, people can't help treating him like something of a celebrity. 806 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,560 It's really cool when I see Zuck eating in the same cafeteria as us. 807 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:32,640 Does he queue? 808 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,920 I stood behind him in line once and... Did you chat? 809 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:42,400 I was scared, I was nervous. I wanted to say, "Hey, Zuck!" But it didn't come out. 810 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,480 I've seen him in his conference room. The first day I came in there I got to see him 811 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,520 and then I had some friends come for lunch yesterday and I took them by the conference room 812 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:54,200 and I was like "That's Mark Zuckerberg! I get to look, he saw me!" So it's amazing. 813 00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,040 Zuckerberg will have to learn to accept the world's attention. 814 00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,320 His very lack of showmanship could be an asset, 815 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:06,360 reassuring users of Facebook's good faith as it grows in influence and income. 816 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,400 Half of Britain already uses Facebook, 817 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:13,000 but can Mark Zuckerberg keep making us share intimate details 818 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,640 about our life whilst driving Facebook forward as a business? 819 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,400 It's a difficult balancing act and if he gets it wrong, 820 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:27,120 more of us will be asking not what Facebook can do for us, but what we are doing for Facebook. 821 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,280 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd 822 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,120 E-mail subtitling@bbc.co.uk 85935

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