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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,095 --> 00:00:10,183 - "The Forbidden," Clive's story, 2 00:00:10,227 --> 00:00:11,314 in the "Books of Blood," 3 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:12,925 I read that and I liked that. 4 00:00:12,968 --> 00:00:14,230 And that struck me as something 5 00:00:14,275 --> 00:00:16,493 that was worth making a movie about. 6 00:00:16,538 --> 00:00:17,756 So I called Clive 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,236 and asked him if I could borrow the rights. 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,762 Clive's original conception of Candyman, 9 00:00:23,806 --> 00:00:26,025 he was not an African American man. 10 00:00:26,068 --> 00:00:27,678 He was not. 11 00:00:27,722 --> 00:00:29,681 - The vision of the monster in "The Forbidden" 12 00:00:29,725 --> 00:00:31,727 was completely different from what we came up with. 13 00:00:31,769 --> 00:00:33,859 He had long, long arms. 14 00:00:33,902 --> 00:00:34,773 He was hairy. 15 00:00:34,817 --> 00:00:36,079 He had broken fingernails. 16 00:00:36,122 --> 00:00:38,037 One eyeball was hanging out. 17 00:00:38,081 --> 00:00:41,389 And Bernard wanted to turn it around and say, 18 00:00:41,432 --> 00:00:43,216 what if the monster 19 00:00:43,259 --> 00:00:45,957 that is frightening everybody is a normal looking Black man? 20 00:00:47,829 --> 00:00:49,353 We're a different kind of monster. 21 00:00:49,396 --> 00:00:52,704 It's not just a monster terrorizing the suburb 22 00:00:52,747 --> 00:00:56,185 and some unexplainable, unshapeable monstrosity 23 00:00:56,229 --> 00:00:57,795 that's haunting your nightmares. 24 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,234 This is the monster you created. 25 00:01:17,947 --> 00:01:19,469 Most people know the story of Candyman. 26 00:01:19,513 --> 00:01:21,429 His father was a famous shoemaker 27 00:01:21,472 --> 00:01:23,561 and he wanted to become an artist. 28 00:01:23,605 --> 00:01:25,954 And then because of that turn of the century racism, 29 00:01:27,695 --> 00:01:30,394 he was chased down, covered with honey, 30 00:01:30,438 --> 00:01:31,438 had his hands cut off, 31 00:01:33,135 --> 00:01:35,311 lynched his artistic hand, his right hand. 32 00:01:36,792 --> 00:01:40,403 - Clive's original conception of Candyman, 33 00:01:40,448 --> 00:01:41,990 I mean, I don't know if he was influenced by this, 34 00:01:42,014 --> 00:01:44,103 but to me, I always imagined him. 35 00:01:44,146 --> 00:01:45,757 I don't know if you know a German book 36 00:01:45,801 --> 00:01:47,236 called "Struwwelpeter." 37 00:01:47,281 --> 00:01:48,866 There's some very frightening characters in it. 38 00:01:48,890 --> 00:01:51,153 There's also the long legged scissor man 39 00:01:51,198 --> 00:01:54,114 who comes and chops off the thumbs of children 40 00:01:54,156 --> 00:01:55,766 who suck their thumbs. 41 00:01:55,811 --> 00:01:58,509 So I kind of imagined a bit from the description in the book 42 00:01:58,552 --> 00:02:00,206 that Candyman looked like Struwwelpeter. 43 00:02:02,078 --> 00:02:03,316 - I think what's scary about it 44 00:02:03,340 --> 00:02:05,864 is that you bring it on yourself. 45 00:02:05,908 --> 00:02:08,258 Candyman, like you choose him. 46 00:02:08,301 --> 00:02:10,304 Like he says it throughout the entire first film. 47 00:02:10,347 --> 00:02:11,478 - Be my victim. 48 00:02:13,219 --> 00:02:15,483 - And I think that like Freudian instinct 49 00:02:15,526 --> 00:02:17,180 of self-destruction, I think, 50 00:02:17,223 --> 00:02:18,834 is really terrifying to people. 51 00:02:18,877 --> 00:02:22,141 - He's almost more like a vampire than he is a monster. 52 00:02:22,185 --> 00:02:25,014 And you have to sort of look at the deformity, 53 00:02:25,056 --> 00:02:27,189 and a bloody hook, and all that 54 00:02:27,234 --> 00:02:28,712 before you start to think, oh yeah, 55 00:02:28,757 --> 00:02:31,193 this guy is actually monstrous. 56 00:02:31,237 --> 00:02:34,283 - I mean, I almost don't even think in terms of "Candyman" 57 00:02:34,328 --> 00:02:35,459 as a slasher in a sense. 58 00:02:35,502 --> 00:02:37,156 It's more of a monster movie. 59 00:02:37,199 --> 00:02:38,461 It just feels, 60 00:02:38,506 --> 00:02:39,332 you know, even though he has the hook 61 00:02:39,376 --> 00:02:41,161 and he kills people with it, 62 00:02:41,204 --> 00:02:44,033 there's such a dense, interesting backstory to him. 63 00:02:44,075 --> 00:02:46,991 And the way he's dealt with in the first film at least 64 00:02:47,036 --> 00:02:49,995 that I think separates him from the slasher characters. 65 00:02:50,038 --> 00:02:52,694 - I'm scared, scared for my child. 66 00:02:56,263 --> 00:02:57,543 That he never going to catch him. 67 00:02:58,873 --> 00:02:59,873 - Who? 68 00:03:01,223 --> 00:03:02,747 - Candyman. 69 00:03:02,790 --> 00:03:06,316 - It was possibly one of the finest decisions 70 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,838 in horror history 71 00:03:07,883 --> 00:03:10,319 that Bernard Rose had zero interest 72 00:03:10,364 --> 00:03:14,019 in presenting Candyman as depicted in the novella. 73 00:03:14,062 --> 00:03:16,848 I sometimes try to imagine what Candyman would be like 74 00:03:16,891 --> 00:03:20,764 if they'd cast an actor as described in the novella. 75 00:03:20,808 --> 00:03:24,551 And I doubt we'd be talking about him today. 76 00:03:24,594 --> 00:03:27,859 - He was really a revelation 77 00:03:27,902 --> 00:03:31,514 in terms of the portrayal of Black characters at that time. 78 00:03:31,558 --> 00:03:33,256 - Good. 79 00:03:33,300 --> 00:03:36,259 Because you got to rob to get rich in the Reagan era. 80 00:03:36,302 --> 00:03:39,043 - You know, a lot of it tended to be 81 00:03:39,087 --> 00:03:42,526 inner city hood characters. 82 00:03:42,569 --> 00:03:44,373 - Don't you ever pull a gun on me again in your life. 83 00:03:44,397 --> 00:03:46,530 - I hope I won't have to. 84 00:03:46,574 --> 00:03:49,140 - Yeah, we all go down if you do 'cause we all crew. 85 00:03:49,185 --> 00:03:52,796 - So to have this articulate artist, 86 00:03:52,841 --> 00:03:54,408 I think Tony Todd came through 87 00:03:54,450 --> 00:03:56,758 and presented that as a character 88 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,889 that you could really relate to, 89 00:03:58,933 --> 00:04:01,066 regardless of your race. 90 00:04:01,110 --> 00:04:03,633 - You go through the history of horror monsters. 91 00:04:03,677 --> 00:04:06,376 There really aren't a lot of Black horror monsters 92 00:04:06,419 --> 00:04:07,724 and that's fine. 93 00:04:07,769 --> 00:04:09,268 It's not like people are sitting around saying, 94 00:04:09,292 --> 00:04:11,381 God, I wish we'd have more Black villains in movies. 95 00:04:11,425 --> 00:04:12,556 No one's saying that. 96 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:14,165 But at the same time, 97 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:18,910 Candyman works because Candyman has a reason for existing. 98 00:04:18,954 --> 00:04:23,610 Candyman has been put on a path outside of his own making. 99 00:04:25,047 --> 00:04:27,223 - Candyman was stung to death by the bees. 100 00:04:29,790 --> 00:04:32,576 They burned his body on a giant pyre 101 00:04:32,620 --> 00:04:35,840 and then scattered his ashes over Cabrini-Green. 102 00:04:35,884 --> 00:04:37,928 - You understand why he's upset. 103 00:04:37,973 --> 00:04:40,279 You understand his pain 104 00:04:40,322 --> 00:04:42,040 and you empathize with him in a lot of ways, 105 00:04:42,064 --> 00:04:43,935 even though he is going around killing people 106 00:04:43,978 --> 00:04:45,067 in Cabrini-Green. 107 00:04:46,807 --> 00:04:49,853 It's unlike any other character because of that. 108 00:04:54,336 --> 00:04:57,774 - I was talking to some people who lived in Cabrini 109 00:04:57,819 --> 00:05:02,475 and they all volunteered for me the story of Bloody Mary. 110 00:05:03,172 --> 00:05:04,173 And so I said, 111 00:05:04,216 --> 00:05:06,480 well, you have to call Candyman 112 00:05:06,523 --> 00:05:07,785 like Bloody Mary in the mirror. 113 00:05:07,829 --> 00:05:12,268 - Candyman, Candyman, Candyman, Candyman. 114 00:05:13,661 --> 00:05:15,139 - It was 13 times in the original 115 00:05:15,184 --> 00:05:17,968 and they start reading Candyman, Candyman, Candyman. 116 00:05:18,012 --> 00:05:19,362 So everyone's falling asleep. 117 00:05:19,406 --> 00:05:21,973 I'll make it five and that was it. 118 00:05:22,016 --> 00:05:23,016 - Candyman. 119 00:05:25,194 --> 00:05:26,194 You chicken! 120 00:05:27,370 --> 00:05:28,893 - I love that the original "Candyman" 121 00:05:28,937 --> 00:05:33,680 uses urban legend and fear of the other. 122 00:05:35,117 --> 00:05:36,771 - We've got a real shot here, Bernadette. 123 00:05:38,206 --> 00:05:40,165 An entire community starts attributing 124 00:05:40,209 --> 00:05:43,821 the daily horrors of their lives to a mythical figure. 125 00:05:43,865 --> 00:05:46,302 - Helen Lyle fucked around and found out basically. 126 00:05:47,781 --> 00:05:48,913 - If you look in the mirror 127 00:05:48,956 --> 00:05:50,480 and say his name five times, 128 00:05:50,524 --> 00:05:52,699 he'll appear behind you breathing down your neck. 129 00:05:54,528 --> 00:05:57,269 - I love the idea of a monster who emerges 130 00:05:57,312 --> 00:05:59,663 in order to assert his own identity 131 00:05:59,706 --> 00:06:03,057 and to keep himself in the thought processes 132 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:05,016 of the people in Cabrini-Green. 133 00:06:05,060 --> 00:06:07,062 - Your disbelief destroyed the faith 134 00:06:07,105 --> 00:06:08,324 in my congregation. 135 00:06:09,324 --> 00:06:11,893 Without them, I am nothing. 136 00:06:11,935 --> 00:06:13,937 So I was obliged to come. 137 00:06:15,112 --> 00:06:17,855 And now, I must kill you. 138 00:06:17,899 --> 00:06:20,858 - Even during the kill scenes, we feel his pain. 139 00:06:20,901 --> 00:06:22,903 And it's all sold through his eyes. 140 00:06:22,947 --> 00:06:25,559 We feel his soul in that movie. 141 00:06:25,601 --> 00:06:28,387 We feel how he got to that point, 142 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:31,216 how he became the urban legend of Candyman. 143 00:06:31,259 --> 00:06:34,610 - He needs to kill to maintain his legacy 144 00:06:34,654 --> 00:06:38,528 and to keep his spiritual being, his essence. 145 00:06:38,572 --> 00:06:42,444 - Our names be written on 1,000 walls, 146 00:06:42,488 --> 00:06:47,189 our crimes told and retold by our faithful believers. 147 00:06:48,581 --> 00:06:50,278 - It kind of lends into the whole tradition 148 00:06:50,322 --> 00:06:52,586 of African oral storytelling. 149 00:06:52,629 --> 00:06:54,762 The masters didn't allow their slaves 150 00:06:54,805 --> 00:06:56,327 to learn how to read or write 151 00:06:56,372 --> 00:06:59,069 for fear of they would organize and rebel. 152 00:06:59,113 --> 00:07:02,944 So traditions were passed on by oral means. 153 00:07:02,987 --> 00:07:05,598 And so I think this kind of feeds into that sort of thing 154 00:07:05,641 --> 00:07:08,471 where the power of oral stories 155 00:07:08,514 --> 00:07:10,995 get passed down from generation to generation. 156 00:07:11,038 --> 00:07:13,084 - I do remember I was in fifth grade 157 00:07:13,127 --> 00:07:15,913 when I heard about Candyman for the first time. 158 00:07:15,956 --> 00:07:18,437 That's where I was dared to say his name in the mirror. 159 00:07:19,526 --> 00:07:21,571 I never did 'cause that's crazy. 160 00:07:21,615 --> 00:07:22,745 - Candyman. 161 00:07:25,531 --> 00:07:26,488 - There's this challenge going on 162 00:07:26,533 --> 00:07:27,968 called the Candyman challenge. 163 00:07:28,012 --> 00:07:29,752 You go to in front of your mirror 164 00:07:29,797 --> 00:07:32,363 and you say Candyman five times over and over. 165 00:07:32,408 --> 00:07:34,278 - Don't be freaking scared, don't be scared. 166 00:07:34,322 --> 00:07:35,497 - Okay. - Don't be scared. 167 00:07:35,542 --> 00:07:38,588 - Candyman, Candyman. 168 00:07:38,632 --> 00:07:40,459 - Candyman, Candyman. 169 00:07:40,502 --> 00:07:41,502 - Candyman. 170 00:07:42,418 --> 00:07:44,115 - Oh no! 171 00:07:44,158 --> 00:07:46,814 - Folklore is an outlet for connecting with other people. 172 00:07:46,856 --> 00:07:48,598 It's really about preserving culture, 173 00:07:48,641 --> 00:07:49,860 about creating our own culture 174 00:07:49,903 --> 00:07:51,774 from what's kind of come before. 175 00:07:51,819 --> 00:07:53,995 And I think Candyman is definitely a part of that. 176 00:07:54,038 --> 00:07:55,475 - What if we go missing 177 00:07:55,518 --> 00:07:57,432 and they play this on the news the next day? 178 00:07:59,521 --> 00:08:00,783 - Candyman is iconic 179 00:08:00,827 --> 00:08:04,004 because of the very real dare system 180 00:08:04,048 --> 00:08:07,225 that happens in a group of friends. 181 00:08:07,269 --> 00:08:08,225 - What? 182 00:08:08,269 --> 00:08:09,009 - There's somebody in there. 183 00:08:09,052 --> 00:08:09,836 I saw a light go on. 184 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:11,012 - There's nobody there. 185 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:12,970 - Psych. 186 00:08:13,014 --> 00:08:13,797 - That's not funny. 187 00:08:13,841 --> 00:08:15,189 That was not funny. 188 00:08:15,233 --> 00:08:16,670 - I was totally scared of Candyman 189 00:08:16,713 --> 00:08:18,149 and my brother knew that. 190 00:08:18,192 --> 00:08:20,978 And he used to shove me in the bathroom, 191 00:08:21,021 --> 00:08:22,632 say Candyman five times, 192 00:08:22,675 --> 00:08:24,677 turn off the lights, and then hold the door closed. 193 00:08:24,721 --> 00:08:28,332 Candyman was definitely one of the scariest villains to me, 194 00:08:28,377 --> 00:08:30,639 and one of the most interesting, and one of the most sad. 195 00:08:30,684 --> 00:08:34,817 - Candyman is like this entity who comes for you, 196 00:08:34,861 --> 00:08:36,515 but he looks like you. 197 00:08:36,558 --> 00:08:38,822 He looks like a member of your community, 198 00:08:38,865 --> 00:08:42,739 but he's just kind of different and warped. 199 00:08:44,306 --> 00:08:46,264 - Just trying to understand a full story 200 00:08:46,307 --> 00:08:48,004 because we're a different kind of monster. 201 00:08:48,048 --> 00:08:51,355 It's not just a monster terrorizing the suburb 202 00:08:51,399 --> 00:08:55,577 and some unexplainable, unshapeable monstrosity 203 00:08:55,621 --> 00:08:57,100 that's haunting your nightmares. 204 00:08:57,144 --> 00:08:59,581 This is a person that you created. 205 00:08:59,625 --> 00:09:04,195 This is the monster that is not self-made, okay? 206 00:09:04,239 --> 00:09:06,937 He's a Frankenstein turned upside down 207 00:09:06,980 --> 00:09:08,808 'cause he's created by society. 208 00:09:11,115 --> 00:09:12,942 - Anyone who conjures Candyman 209 00:09:12,986 --> 00:09:14,553 has to suffer the consequences. 210 00:09:14,596 --> 00:09:17,904 And it's kind of a good allegory for the legacy of racism. 211 00:09:17,947 --> 00:09:21,735 Anyone today who lives in a society 212 00:09:21,778 --> 00:09:23,562 that's founded on social inequality, 213 00:09:23,605 --> 00:09:26,347 racial inequality will deal with the consequences. 214 00:09:27,304 --> 00:09:29,611 - Candyman also like, 215 00:09:29,655 --> 00:09:34,355 it's an incantation that brings this force into your life. 216 00:09:35,749 --> 00:09:36,986 And think about what kinds of things 217 00:09:37,010 --> 00:09:39,578 that we bring into our lives as a society. 218 00:09:39,621 --> 00:09:42,711 Like we're in this horrible divisive place 219 00:09:42,755 --> 00:09:44,888 and how much of that do we have a hand in? 220 00:09:44,932 --> 00:09:48,587 - Sometimes, we turn icons into what they are 221 00:09:48,630 --> 00:09:50,894 because we identify with them in some way 222 00:09:50,937 --> 00:09:54,115 or we identify with the phobia that they might represent. 223 00:09:54,158 --> 00:09:55,899 And usually, they reflect something 224 00:09:55,942 --> 00:09:57,945 that's going on in society at the time. 225 00:09:57,988 --> 00:09:59,423 There's some kind of moral panic 226 00:09:59,467 --> 00:10:01,948 that might be reflected in those movies. 227 00:10:01,991 --> 00:10:06,082 - "Candyman" also represents the angry Black man stereotype, 228 00:10:06,126 --> 00:10:10,653 the stereotype of a Black person who is not contained 229 00:10:10,697 --> 00:10:13,961 or controlled by fear or shame. 230 00:10:15,309 --> 00:10:17,833 And he's angry for a good reason. 231 00:10:17,878 --> 00:10:19,793 And I think that's true of a lot of people 232 00:10:19,836 --> 00:10:22,970 who are labeled with that angry Black man stereotype. 233 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,323 We're mad, not because we're naturally mad. 234 00:10:29,366 --> 00:10:34,024 We're mad because we are subjected to real horror every day, 235 00:10:35,155 --> 00:10:36,940 real menace and real fear. 236 00:10:36,984 --> 00:10:40,203 And that's why Candyman is both a monster 237 00:10:40,248 --> 00:10:42,990 and a heroic figure to a lot of people. 238 00:10:44,513 --> 00:10:48,778 - So the monster isn't just Candyman. 239 00:10:48,822 --> 00:10:52,869 The monster in Candyman is the so-called urban jungle. 240 00:10:52,913 --> 00:10:55,871 The monster is Black masculinity 241 00:10:55,915 --> 00:10:57,961 because it's not just Candyman who's scary. 242 00:10:58,004 --> 00:11:01,051 All these Black dudes are scary. 243 00:11:01,095 --> 00:11:03,270 - I hear you're looking for Candyman, bitch. 244 00:11:05,707 --> 00:11:06,708 Well, you found him. 245 00:11:06,753 --> 00:11:08,363 - I find Daniel Robitaille 246 00:11:08,405 --> 00:11:10,365 one of the most fascinating people 247 00:11:10,408 --> 00:11:11,888 I've ever spent time with. 248 00:11:11,932 --> 00:11:13,673 He was more like a Phantom of the Opera 249 00:11:13,716 --> 00:11:16,023 than a beast in the woods. 250 00:11:17,764 --> 00:11:19,243 - The shine of his shoes, 251 00:11:19,287 --> 00:11:21,681 that incredible costuming he has. 252 00:11:21,724 --> 00:11:22,725 He's gorgeous. 253 00:11:22,769 --> 00:11:24,073 You know, that's the bottom line. 254 00:11:24,118 --> 00:11:26,554 Your first reaction is you're kind of entranced 255 00:11:26,597 --> 00:11:27,990 along with Helen. 256 00:11:28,034 --> 00:11:31,168 He is a very unique monster in that way. 257 00:11:31,211 --> 00:11:34,171 - He's wearing dress shoes, and a long coat, 258 00:11:34,215 --> 00:11:37,434 and a scarf and he's elegant. 259 00:11:37,479 --> 00:11:38,759 That's the whole point about him. 260 00:11:38,784 --> 00:11:40,394 - I would love to have that coat. 261 00:11:40,437 --> 00:11:41,744 I think that's a beautiful coat 262 00:11:41,788 --> 00:11:45,835 and Candyman is the most stylish horror monster, 263 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:47,532 in my opinion. 264 00:11:47,576 --> 00:11:49,926 I don't think Candyman would work if he was bad dresser. 265 00:11:49,970 --> 00:11:52,363 I think he had to look cool. 266 00:11:52,407 --> 00:11:55,539 And of course, there's tons of stereotypes 267 00:11:55,584 --> 00:11:56,952 about Black people being good dressers. 268 00:11:56,976 --> 00:11:58,847 And that's one I don't mind. 269 00:11:58,892 --> 00:12:01,546 - He is charming, he is handsome. 270 00:12:01,590 --> 00:12:05,594 - Helen, you came to me. 271 00:12:05,636 --> 00:12:07,552 - He is debonair, he's classy. 272 00:12:07,596 --> 00:12:09,206 And at the same time, 273 00:12:09,250 --> 00:12:11,426 he looks like he is going to mess you up if need be. 274 00:12:11,469 --> 00:12:14,645 And they were so smart to not do anything to his face, 275 00:12:14,690 --> 00:12:16,386 which is what we did in the 1980s. 276 00:12:16,431 --> 00:12:18,311 We'll put a mask on that, we'll put a scar here. 277 00:12:18,346 --> 00:12:20,672 No, no, we're going to make you look all burned and messed up. 278 00:12:20,696 --> 00:12:22,219 - Candyman did not wear a mask 279 00:12:22,263 --> 00:12:23,786 and did not wear a prosthetic makeup. 280 00:12:23,830 --> 00:12:25,875 Tony Todd has such a striking face. 281 00:12:25,918 --> 00:12:27,572 It's in the eyes too. 282 00:12:27,615 --> 00:12:29,225 It's interesting, 283 00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:32,054 he looks like this handsome, tall kind of powerful person. 284 00:12:32,099 --> 00:12:33,970 So I think that that all kind of comes together 285 00:12:34,014 --> 00:12:35,580 and makes Candyman special. 286 00:12:35,624 --> 00:12:37,408 - Tony Todd kind of proved 287 00:12:37,451 --> 00:12:39,149 that you don't need the layers of makeup. 288 00:12:39,192 --> 00:12:40,498 You don't need any of that. 289 00:12:40,542 --> 00:12:42,586 What you need is someone who is intense, 290 00:12:42,630 --> 00:12:43,806 and who can deliver, 291 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:45,764 and who can engage your audience. 292 00:12:47,375 --> 00:12:48,654 - There's a bunch of storyboards 293 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,769 that I drew before I cast Tony. 294 00:12:50,812 --> 00:12:54,424 And Tony does look like the drawings before I cast him. 295 00:12:54,469 --> 00:12:56,950 It was just like this guy, he's got it all. 296 00:12:56,993 --> 00:12:58,602 He's got the elegance. 297 00:12:58,647 --> 00:13:00,822 He could be intimidating and he could be ruthless, 298 00:13:00,866 --> 00:13:03,086 but that wasn't what you took from him. 299 00:13:03,129 --> 00:13:05,914 - Your death will be a tale to frightened children 300 00:13:05,958 --> 00:13:08,482 to make lovers come closer in their rapture. 301 00:13:09,831 --> 00:13:11,659 - I think that the idea 302 00:13:11,702 --> 00:13:16,273 that he was this tragic person would have been enough, 303 00:13:16,317 --> 00:13:19,101 but he didn't play Candyman as like an angry avenge person. 304 00:13:19,145 --> 00:13:20,799 He played it as somebody 305 00:13:20,842 --> 00:13:23,932 who you could just tell felt sorrow for what he was doing. 306 00:13:23,976 --> 00:13:26,806 There were so many levels to Tony Todd's performance. 307 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,941 - Anybody can wield a weapon 308 00:13:31,985 --> 00:13:33,942 and anyone can use it to hurt someone. 309 00:13:33,986 --> 00:13:38,774 The power is the way Candyman presents himself. 310 00:13:40,863 --> 00:13:43,822 I am scared of him in the way he says Helen's name. 311 00:13:43,865 --> 00:13:45,215 - Helen. 312 00:13:47,390 --> 00:13:49,131 - I just need to hear him talk, 313 00:13:49,176 --> 00:13:52,308 I need to hear the grumble of his voice, 314 00:13:52,352 --> 00:13:54,355 and I'm already chilled. 315 00:13:54,398 --> 00:13:55,835 - He's written very poetically. 316 00:13:55,878 --> 00:13:58,359 I knew his voice was deeper than my normal voice, 317 00:13:58,402 --> 00:13:59,881 so we worked on that. 318 00:13:59,926 --> 00:14:02,841 Like Helen, Helen, Helen. 319 00:14:02,884 --> 00:14:07,672 Helen, I came for you. 320 00:14:14,375 --> 00:14:17,856 Everything that he says has a weight to it. 321 00:14:17,899 --> 00:14:19,249 You know? 322 00:14:19,293 --> 00:14:21,686 And it's not just in the sentences and each word, 323 00:14:21,730 --> 00:14:23,078 you know? 324 00:14:23,123 --> 00:14:24,763 As opposed to me, I'm more of a saxophone. 325 00:14:26,212 --> 00:14:28,649 Daniel was like a cello. 326 00:14:33,654 --> 00:14:34,654 Helen. 327 00:14:37,136 --> 00:14:39,790 The most important thing was his stance. 328 00:14:43,577 --> 00:14:46,232 The way he moves, takes his time, there's no rush. 329 00:14:47,234 --> 00:14:49,192 He never chases anybody 330 00:14:49,235 --> 00:14:52,934 and he calls to people that he wants into his realm. 331 00:14:52,979 --> 00:14:54,980 Come with me and be immortal. 332 00:14:56,591 --> 00:15:00,464 - He is a terrifying figure because of his size, 333 00:15:02,639 --> 00:15:04,033 because of his voice. 334 00:15:04,076 --> 00:15:06,078 - You're mine now. 335 00:15:06,121 --> 00:15:08,124 - Because of the hook, and the coat, 336 00:15:08,168 --> 00:15:09,472 and the bees coming out of him. 337 00:15:09,517 --> 00:15:11,649 But he also has a nobility. 338 00:15:11,692 --> 00:15:13,563 - He leaves an impression on you, you know? 339 00:15:13,607 --> 00:15:16,740 And he has a sort of dignity to him as well. 340 00:15:16,784 --> 00:15:18,655 He didn't feel like grotesque 341 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:21,832 in the way that Freddy or Jason 342 00:15:21,876 --> 00:15:23,573 or Mike Myers felt grotesque. 343 00:15:23,618 --> 00:15:24,793 It's weird. 344 00:15:24,836 --> 00:15:27,056 Like Candyman wasn't really a monster 345 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:29,928 so much as like a guy who had a hook for a hand 346 00:15:29,971 --> 00:15:33,062 who had a history of pain that we all understood. 347 00:15:33,105 --> 00:15:34,605 So I think he was like unique in that way as well 348 00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:36,936 from the other villains that I grew up with. 349 00:15:36,979 --> 00:15:38,980 - I've spoken to Tony Todd about the fact 350 00:15:39,024 --> 00:15:40,634 that Black people who saw it as kids 351 00:15:40,677 --> 00:15:42,767 will come up to him and say, 352 00:15:42,811 --> 00:15:46,075 you were such a hero to them as an antihero. 353 00:15:46,119 --> 00:15:49,817 - I can't say nothing or Candyman will get me. 354 00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:52,602 - Not because he was nice necessarily 355 00:15:52,647 --> 00:15:54,605 to any of the Black residents there, 356 00:15:54,649 --> 00:15:56,606 but because he had so much power. 357 00:15:56,650 --> 00:15:58,522 He was a powerful figure 358 00:15:58,566 --> 00:16:00,697 and these were kids who were craving power. 359 00:16:00,741 --> 00:16:03,658 So when you don't really have much to choose from, 360 00:16:03,701 --> 00:16:06,616 you'll take power in whatever form you can find it. 361 00:16:06,660 --> 00:16:08,663 - I was in college when I saw Candyman 362 00:16:08,706 --> 00:16:10,273 and I was studying theater, 363 00:16:10,317 --> 00:16:11,621 so acting, you know, 364 00:16:11,666 --> 00:16:13,188 I wanted to be the first biracial 365 00:16:13,232 --> 00:16:15,495 Teen Beat magazine centerfold. 366 00:16:15,538 --> 00:16:17,846 It was this kind of forbidden interracial love story. 367 00:16:17,889 --> 00:16:19,847 As somebody who's biracial myself, 368 00:16:19,890 --> 00:16:21,370 that just really resonated with me. 369 00:16:22,677 --> 00:16:23,851 - There was almost something 370 00:16:23,894 --> 00:16:25,985 very Dracula-esque about Candyman 371 00:16:26,028 --> 00:16:27,463 where it was the long lost love, 372 00:16:27,508 --> 00:16:30,032 but there was all of these great things 373 00:16:30,076 --> 00:16:32,469 that were kind of coming together in that. 374 00:16:32,513 --> 00:16:35,037 - There's so many different themes going on 375 00:16:35,081 --> 00:16:36,038 within "Candyman." 376 00:16:36,081 --> 00:16:37,561 You have the slavery aspect 377 00:16:37,605 --> 00:16:39,736 where you have like horrible American culture, 378 00:16:39,780 --> 00:16:41,696 but you also have like interracial love. 379 00:16:43,610 --> 00:16:45,351 - I always like to shoot without rehearsal 380 00:16:45,394 --> 00:16:47,397 because you can always do it again. 381 00:16:47,441 --> 00:16:49,659 The first time is usually the best time. 382 00:16:49,703 --> 00:16:52,836 First scene I shot with Tony was the scene in the car park 383 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,317 where we first meet him. 384 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,537 Tony walks in, but he just had something, 385 00:16:56,580 --> 00:16:59,061 and I think it was the way that he walked towards Virginia. 386 00:16:59,105 --> 00:17:01,193 You just felt that he was in love. 387 00:17:02,586 --> 00:17:05,240 It wasn't just about killing or this, 388 00:17:05,285 --> 00:17:07,852 or some story, or some fantasy. 389 00:17:07,895 --> 00:17:11,203 It was romantic. 390 00:17:11,247 --> 00:17:12,727 - We were like, this is a romance. 391 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:15,903 And the things that he says to her, 392 00:17:15,946 --> 00:17:18,515 even be my victim 393 00:17:18,558 --> 00:17:22,737 and what is blood if not for shedding, 394 00:17:22,779 --> 00:17:26,914 and you know, how glorious it will be, 395 00:17:27,959 --> 00:17:32,615 which it's so dark, 396 00:17:32,660 --> 00:17:37,403 but he means it with this great amount of love. 397 00:17:38,404 --> 00:17:39,424 - We did horseback riding, 398 00:17:39,449 --> 00:17:40,711 we did fencing together, 399 00:17:40,755 --> 00:17:42,365 we did ballroom dancing. 400 00:17:42,409 --> 00:17:43,758 We did that for two or three weeks 401 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,201 before the actual production started 402 00:17:45,238 --> 00:17:49,546 so we had that sort of romantic vibe going in. 403 00:17:49,589 --> 00:17:51,679 - Tony would just glide. 404 00:17:54,595 --> 00:17:56,814 And he was like, I'll just hold you up and do it. 405 00:17:58,598 --> 00:18:02,211 Both of us have this place in our hearts for that sequence. 406 00:18:02,255 --> 00:18:05,736 - We both embraced it because it was like rehearsing 407 00:18:05,779 --> 00:18:07,607 what we were going to be feeling and doing 408 00:18:07,651 --> 00:18:08,957 once the cameras started rolling. 409 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,152 And then we could forget about them. 410 00:18:10,175 --> 00:18:11,567 No offense to camera operators, 411 00:18:11,612 --> 00:18:13,134 but at the end of the day, 412 00:18:13,179 --> 00:18:15,094 when you're on the set, 413 00:18:15,136 --> 00:18:16,790 you want to be as natural as possible. 414 00:18:19,968 --> 00:18:21,099 - So beautiful. 415 00:18:21,143 --> 00:18:22,578 Talk about a score, 416 00:18:22,623 --> 00:18:25,799 a beautiful score that offsets the horror 417 00:18:25,843 --> 00:18:26,931 of what you're seeing. 418 00:18:26,974 --> 00:18:29,238 - Philip Glass. - Unbelievable. 419 00:18:29,281 --> 00:18:32,111 And that absolutely makes Candyman hit different 420 00:18:32,153 --> 00:18:36,680 than any of the other big iconic villains of this era. 421 00:18:36,723 --> 00:18:38,116 - Yeah. 422 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,039 And that's why I enjoyed the kiss with the bees. 423 00:18:43,296 --> 00:18:45,298 - I mean, I had real bees in my mouth. 424 00:18:45,340 --> 00:18:46,951 I worked with over a million bees. 425 00:18:46,994 --> 00:18:48,605 I had a different lawyer at the time 426 00:18:48,648 --> 00:18:51,607 that negotiated $1,000 dollars per sting. 427 00:18:51,652 --> 00:18:54,523 And I think we had 28 over the course of three films. 428 00:18:54,567 --> 00:18:55,873 So that was a nice little perk. 429 00:18:55,916 --> 00:18:58,136 It took a little bit of pain away. 430 00:18:58,180 --> 00:19:00,616 - He's not acting like a man with bees in his mouth. 431 00:19:00,661 --> 00:19:02,638 He's acting like a man who's about to kiss his lover, 432 00:19:02,663 --> 00:19:03,619 you know? 433 00:19:03,663 --> 00:19:05,230 - Allow me at least to kiss. 434 00:19:06,318 --> 00:19:08,146 Just one exquisite kiss. 435 00:19:10,236 --> 00:19:11,976 As soon as I read the first scene, 436 00:19:12,019 --> 00:19:14,500 I asked, we're using practical bees, right? 437 00:19:14,544 --> 00:19:15,652 We're doing practical effects. 438 00:19:15,675 --> 00:19:16,676 And the answer was, yes. 439 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,634 I said, this will be remembered 440 00:19:18,679 --> 00:19:20,375 by anybody that had ever seen it. 441 00:19:28,210 --> 00:19:30,646 - I remember seeing "Candyman" in theaters. 442 00:19:30,691 --> 00:19:34,825 Me and two of my friends snuck in to Candyman. 443 00:19:34,868 --> 00:19:37,523 And I was not expecting that. 444 00:19:37,567 --> 00:19:40,527 I was definitely as an adolescent 445 00:19:40,569 --> 00:19:44,008 expecting Mike Myers, Jason, Freddy, 446 00:19:44,051 --> 00:19:46,576 a lot of the other slashers that I had seen at this point. 447 00:19:46,619 --> 00:19:48,664 "Candyman" is nothing like that. 448 00:19:48,709 --> 00:19:50,927 - I was very intrigued by the Candyman's argument 449 00:19:50,971 --> 00:19:52,843 which is that since he exists, 450 00:19:52,886 --> 00:19:54,236 because people believe in him, 451 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:56,194 if they debunk him, he'll die. 452 00:19:56,238 --> 00:19:59,327 In other words, yes, Virginia, there is a Candyman. 453 00:19:59,372 --> 00:20:01,262 This is a little deeper than your average horror film 454 00:20:01,287 --> 00:20:02,635 and I enjoyed it a little more. 455 00:20:08,729 --> 00:20:10,209 - By the time I was in film school, 456 00:20:10,251 --> 00:20:12,384 that was definitely a conversation starter was like, 457 00:20:12,428 --> 00:20:14,450 Candyman is probably one of the best films of this decade. 458 00:20:14,473 --> 00:20:15,865 And then it would just launch 459 00:20:15,910 --> 00:20:18,346 into like an intellectual conversation. 460 00:20:18,391 --> 00:20:20,087 - I'm a 15-year-old kid going to that 461 00:20:20,131 --> 00:20:21,567 and feeling drawn to him. 462 00:20:21,611 --> 00:20:22,960 - Also keep in mind, 463 00:20:23,003 --> 00:20:25,875 and I always, always tell people this too, 464 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,269 this is when urban films were kind of coming into play. 465 00:20:28,314 --> 00:20:30,750 So I think Candyman came out at a perfect time for that. 466 00:20:30,794 --> 00:20:34,406 We were getting our own horror story with a Black character, 467 00:20:34,450 --> 00:20:35,582 maybe not centralized, 468 00:20:35,625 --> 00:20:37,452 but he was still the person 469 00:20:37,497 --> 00:20:39,586 that drove behinds into seats basically. 470 00:20:39,628 --> 00:20:41,240 - During that period, 471 00:20:41,282 --> 00:20:44,590 I think it just sort of kept bubbling under 472 00:20:44,634 --> 00:20:47,768 in its own peculiar way. 473 00:20:49,335 --> 00:20:50,727 - "Candyman." 474 00:20:50,770 --> 00:20:53,076 - It was because cable was exploding 475 00:20:53,121 --> 00:20:55,950 and cable, the content was there. 476 00:20:55,992 --> 00:20:57,951 So they ran "Candyman." 477 00:20:59,432 --> 00:21:01,085 It was a couple of Christmases after, 478 00:21:01,128 --> 00:21:03,826 I remember I was with my daughter at a mall 479 00:21:03,871 --> 00:21:06,742 and it seemed like every store we went into, 480 00:21:06,787 --> 00:21:09,659 all of a sudden, there were people following us. 481 00:21:09,702 --> 00:21:12,401 And it hadn't happened like that before. 482 00:21:12,444 --> 00:21:14,403 And then by the time we got to another floor, 483 00:21:14,446 --> 00:21:15,838 it was like 50 people. 484 00:21:15,883 --> 00:21:18,406 And my daughter was four at the time 485 00:21:18,451 --> 00:21:20,583 and she was so upset. 486 00:21:20,626 --> 00:21:24,194 She just like dropped her little bag and said, 487 00:21:24,239 --> 00:21:27,763 "That's not Candyman, that's my daddy." 488 00:21:27,807 --> 00:21:28,634 Okay? 489 00:21:28,678 --> 00:21:30,114 - Right after it opened, 490 00:21:30,157 --> 00:21:34,162 this was a big movie and people loved it. 491 00:21:36,163 --> 00:21:38,209 - We had this mega successful movie 492 00:21:38,252 --> 00:21:39,776 with this very cool killer. 493 00:21:39,819 --> 00:21:42,387 - The first one was a big enough hit to greenlight a second. 494 00:21:52,048 --> 00:21:53,355 - The second one, 495 00:21:53,398 --> 00:21:54,877 I wanted to make sure that the script 496 00:21:54,922 --> 00:21:57,184 told the backstory of Candyman completely. 497 00:21:57,228 --> 00:21:58,969 That's what I pushed for. 498 00:22:04,845 --> 00:22:06,977 - So "Candyman: Farewell to the Flesh" 499 00:22:07,020 --> 00:22:08,825 takes place three years after the original film 500 00:22:08,848 --> 00:22:09,980 and the original murders. 501 00:22:10,023 --> 00:22:11,634 He's down in New Orleans. 502 00:22:11,678 --> 00:22:16,116 A school teacher again is a little bit apprehensive 503 00:22:17,117 --> 00:22:18,467 about who he is and his lore, 504 00:22:18,510 --> 00:22:21,251 but her students are a little bit more fearful. 505 00:22:21,296 --> 00:22:23,993 - That's how he gets you, from the mirror. 506 00:22:24,038 --> 00:22:25,473 - Five times. 507 00:22:25,518 --> 00:22:28,477 You say his name five times, he's supposed to come. 508 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,000 - You guys don't really believe that, do you? 509 00:22:31,045 --> 00:22:33,916 - She calls his name and then chaos erupts from there. 510 00:22:40,576 --> 00:22:41,708 - As far as Candyman, 511 00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:43,839 it's just like, good, yeah. 512 00:22:43,884 --> 00:22:45,972 Fucking kill everybody for what you went through. 513 00:22:51,065 --> 00:22:52,848 You don't fully side with him, 514 00:22:52,893 --> 00:22:55,199 but you don't want to see him fail either really. 515 00:22:55,242 --> 00:22:57,288 You're in this weird position 516 00:22:57,332 --> 00:23:00,029 throughout at least the first two movies. 517 00:23:04,425 --> 00:23:05,688 - What's interesting is 518 00:23:05,731 --> 00:23:08,386 sometimes it takes seeing other movies 519 00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:09,865 to know how special something is. 520 00:23:09,910 --> 00:23:14,653 But if you watch Candyman sequels, it's tough. 521 00:23:15,436 --> 00:23:17,047 - If anything, 522 00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:19,211 the sequels are detrimental to the legacy of Candyman. 523 00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:23,531 - Unfortunately, by the time you get to the sequels, 524 00:23:23,576 --> 00:23:26,056 they're really starting to sink under the weight 525 00:23:26,099 --> 00:23:28,406 of all of the issues 526 00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:31,887 that to some people weren't as apparent in the original 527 00:23:31,932 --> 00:23:36,458 because the original was so fresh, so exciting, so scary. 528 00:23:36,501 --> 00:23:38,590 The imagery, the art, the murals, 529 00:23:38,634 --> 00:23:42,898 and then Candyman too is trying to sort of take that baton 530 00:23:42,942 --> 00:23:44,161 and run with it. 531 00:23:44,204 --> 00:23:46,076 But it really did start to become 532 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,252 more about Black men as jump scares, right? 533 00:23:52,343 --> 00:23:54,606 And so like every Black person 534 00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:56,826 is potentially going to hurt you. 535 00:23:56,869 --> 00:23:59,001 And that's not a good look. 536 00:24:00,829 --> 00:24:02,135 - It's set in New Orleans. 537 00:24:02,179 --> 00:24:04,268 There are a bunch of Black characters. 538 00:24:04,311 --> 00:24:06,508 But still, it's about like him and a white woman, you know? 539 00:24:06,531 --> 00:24:08,795 - You cannot change who you are. 540 00:24:10,623 --> 00:24:12,470 - Like he's still chasing after these white ladies. 541 00:24:12,493 --> 00:24:14,384 And I think a similar thing happened in the third film. 542 00:24:14,409 --> 00:24:16,759 - "Candyman: Day of the Dead." 543 00:24:16,803 --> 00:24:18,107 - Help me. 544 00:24:18,152 --> 00:24:19,477 - The third one was more of a money grab. 545 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:20,500 They meant well, but. 546 00:24:22,634 --> 00:24:24,506 - The screen's most brutal killer 547 00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:25,811 is back for blood. 548 00:24:25,855 --> 00:24:27,769 - It was the quickest shoot. 549 00:24:27,814 --> 00:24:30,469 We had some great Latino actors in there. 550 00:24:33,036 --> 00:24:37,737 But it wasn't as fully conceptualized as the others. 551 00:24:39,173 --> 00:24:41,305 - Revenge never tasted so sweet. 552 00:24:41,348 --> 00:24:42,611 - The third one definitely 553 00:24:42,654 --> 00:24:44,067 was a straight to video affair though. 554 00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:47,049 It was like Donna D'Errico from "Baywatch." 555 00:24:47,094 --> 00:24:49,138 She's like the next generation 556 00:24:49,182 --> 00:24:53,926 and Candyman is trying to get her to die with him. 557 00:24:56,451 --> 00:24:58,497 It's not making sense really to me 558 00:24:58,539 --> 00:25:01,804 'cause there was sort of some seductive overtones 559 00:25:01,847 --> 00:25:03,196 like he was trying to seduce 560 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,547 his great, great, great granddaughter, 561 00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:08,507 but also wanted her to be part of his legacy. 562 00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:09,549 - Come to me. 563 00:25:12,597 --> 00:25:13,903 Do not fear me. 564 00:25:13,946 --> 00:25:15,557 - I don't remember much about the third. 565 00:25:15,601 --> 00:25:18,733 There's a sense of purpose, I guess, 566 00:25:18,778 --> 00:25:23,521 that gives him more leeway for our sympathy 567 00:25:24,566 --> 00:25:27,002 and for our understanding. 568 00:25:27,047 --> 00:25:28,352 - Evil breeds evil. 569 00:25:28,395 --> 00:25:30,049 This man couldn't lash out in life, 570 00:25:30,093 --> 00:25:31,573 but in death, that hate, 571 00:25:31,616 --> 00:25:34,402 that evil was strong enough to bring him back 572 00:25:34,444 --> 00:25:35,882 to reclaim what was taken away. 573 00:25:37,099 --> 00:25:38,013 - Older generations, 574 00:25:38,057 --> 00:25:39,276 when I hear them talk about 575 00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:40,930 when Blaxploitation horror came out, 576 00:25:40,973 --> 00:25:42,932 they had a real visceral reaction to it 577 00:25:42,976 --> 00:25:43,890 because they were seeing people 578 00:25:43,932 --> 00:25:45,673 who looked like them on screen. 579 00:25:45,718 --> 00:25:48,241 So I think the same thing happened with "Candyman." 580 00:25:48,285 --> 00:25:50,417 And I think that's how certain people in my generation 581 00:25:50,461 --> 00:25:51,419 really felt about it. 582 00:25:51,461 --> 00:25:53,289 - You have to build up the icon. 583 00:25:53,334 --> 00:25:55,465 The same way we build it up in our mind, 584 00:25:55,509 --> 00:25:57,052 you have to build it up in the movies itself. 585 00:25:57,076 --> 00:25:59,055 You can't come out of the gate saying it's an icon. 586 00:25:59,078 --> 00:26:00,689 We decide that. 587 00:26:00,732 --> 00:26:04,605 And "Candyman" is probably the last of that true era 588 00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:07,434 that has made that mark, I think. 589 00:26:07,478 --> 00:26:10,612 Not that there haven't been great horror villains since, 590 00:26:10,655 --> 00:26:14,094 but they just don't seem to permeate the way that they did. 591 00:26:17,444 --> 00:26:18,750 - One day, I was doing a con. 592 00:26:18,794 --> 00:26:20,230 It was down in, 593 00:26:20,273 --> 00:26:22,884 it was either Florida or Georgia. 594 00:26:22,929 --> 00:26:25,887 And this whole family, I spotted them from across the way, 595 00:26:25,932 --> 00:26:30,458 literally out of casting central Beverly hillbillies. 596 00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:31,807 And so I'm waiting. 597 00:26:31,851 --> 00:26:33,940 He says, "We like your movies." 598 00:26:33,982 --> 00:26:37,508 And I go, why is that? 599 00:26:37,551 --> 00:26:41,121 He said, "We like the way you kill." 600 00:26:41,163 --> 00:26:42,512 And I realized at that moment, 601 00:26:44,124 --> 00:26:46,778 me and them may have never crossed paths in life. 602 00:26:46,822 --> 00:26:49,738 But because of this unified moment, 603 00:26:49,781 --> 00:26:52,914 even though my character was a victim of slavery, 604 00:26:52,959 --> 00:26:54,134 and a victim of lynching, 605 00:26:54,176 --> 00:26:56,527 and a victim of physical indignity, 606 00:26:56,570 --> 00:26:59,835 these people wanted to give me their props 607 00:26:59,878 --> 00:27:02,445 from their side of the world. 608 00:27:02,490 --> 00:27:04,623 And that was one of the defining moments 609 00:27:04,665 --> 00:27:06,450 when I realized that culture 610 00:27:06,493 --> 00:27:10,192 and pop iconery can reach and touch many, many people. 611 00:27:11,586 --> 00:27:13,172 - There was a Black American cultural boom. 612 00:27:13,195 --> 00:27:16,460 And we weren't seeing ourselves as a monolith necessarily. 613 00:27:16,503 --> 00:27:19,375 There was more stories and ideas coming out. 614 00:27:19,420 --> 00:27:20,942 And "Candyman" was just a part of that, 615 00:27:20,987 --> 00:27:23,106 which I think was what makes him special even more so. 616 00:27:25,034 --> 00:27:26,775 Fans become filmmakers sometimes. 617 00:27:26,818 --> 00:27:29,472 And the support and cultivation amongst each other, 618 00:27:29,517 --> 00:27:31,866 amongst ourselves is what makes us desire 619 00:27:31,911 --> 00:27:33,520 and motivated to make a film. 620 00:27:33,564 --> 00:27:34,564 - What's Candyman? 621 00:27:36,175 --> 00:27:38,394 - Candyman ain't a he. 622 00:27:38,439 --> 00:27:41,484 Candyman is the whole damn hive. 623 00:27:41,528 --> 00:27:43,051 A story like that, 624 00:27:43,096 --> 00:27:45,097 pain like that lasts forever. 625 00:27:51,844 --> 00:27:53,061 - There's something about 626 00:27:53,105 --> 00:27:54,586 just to kind of resurrecting him today 627 00:27:54,628 --> 00:27:56,718 in the wake of movies like "Get Out" and "Us" 628 00:27:56,761 --> 00:27:58,501 that just makes total sense. 629 00:27:58,546 --> 00:28:03,202 - I think Jordan Peele has really changed the landscape 630 00:28:04,247 --> 00:28:06,249 with the movies that he's made. 631 00:28:06,292 --> 00:28:08,990 And I was thinking in the back of my head, 632 00:28:09,035 --> 00:28:11,166 like he's mentioned it so many times. 633 00:28:11,211 --> 00:28:14,910 I wonder if he's going to come in and bring it back. 634 00:28:14,953 --> 00:28:17,520 - I heard that Nia DaCosta was directing. 635 00:28:17,565 --> 00:28:20,349 I thought these are the right people to take this material 636 00:28:20,394 --> 00:28:22,701 and do something really fresh and interesting with it. 637 00:28:28,402 --> 00:28:30,709 - "Candyman" is malleable enough, 638 00:28:30,751 --> 00:28:32,927 just as a legend is malleable enough 639 00:28:32,971 --> 00:28:34,712 to where you can reclaim it. 640 00:28:34,756 --> 00:28:37,019 You can make it your own 641 00:28:37,063 --> 00:28:38,387 to tell the stories that need to be told 642 00:28:38,412 --> 00:28:40,240 that white people can't tell. 643 00:28:40,282 --> 00:28:42,415 They just can't, not in a good way. 644 00:28:42,459 --> 00:28:44,026 - I think the thing that happened 645 00:28:44,069 --> 00:28:46,115 was a really unique filmmaker, Bernard Rose, 646 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:48,901 like made this really special, unique film 647 00:28:48,943 --> 00:28:52,730 without really digging into what makes Candyman as a person, 648 00:28:52,773 --> 00:28:54,950 you know, the person behind "Candyman" so interesting 649 00:28:54,993 --> 00:28:56,298 and worth telling a story about. 650 00:28:56,343 --> 00:28:58,084 - The story of Candyman. 651 00:28:59,085 --> 00:29:00,564 He walk around 652 00:29:00,607 --> 00:29:02,522 handing out candy to the neighborhood kids. 653 00:29:03,698 --> 00:29:06,788 One day, the police come around. 654 00:29:06,832 --> 00:29:08,789 That's when I saw the true face of fear. 655 00:29:08,834 --> 00:29:10,269 - Get on your knees. 656 00:29:10,313 --> 00:29:12,054 - Any horror fan knows that Candyman 657 00:29:12,097 --> 00:29:15,884 is pretty much like the quintessential Black icon of horror. 658 00:29:15,928 --> 00:29:17,885 We wanted to reinvent that for today. 659 00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:20,061 We wanted to make sure that it was something more 660 00:29:20,105 --> 00:29:22,412 than just another horror villain. 661 00:29:22,455 --> 00:29:25,067 We wanted to give him depth and meaning. 662 00:29:25,111 --> 00:29:27,329 Nia DaCosta brings the authenticity 663 00:29:27,374 --> 00:29:29,462 because it's just who she is. 664 00:29:29,506 --> 00:29:31,309 I think it's really, really refreshing to see that. 665 00:29:31,334 --> 00:29:33,336 - I was like humanity. 666 00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:36,251 This should actually be about the moment 667 00:29:36,296 --> 00:29:38,340 that we're in right now. 668 00:29:42,954 --> 00:29:43,912 This is not about a monster. 669 00:29:43,955 --> 00:29:45,260 This is about a person. 670 00:29:45,305 --> 00:29:47,349 And it's something that I was safeguarding 671 00:29:47,394 --> 00:29:48,916 and being very particular about 672 00:29:48,961 --> 00:29:51,180 throughout the entire process of directing it. 673 00:29:51,223 --> 00:29:53,095 The very first draft that I read of the script, 674 00:29:53,138 --> 00:29:55,270 Helen was the villain. 675 00:29:55,315 --> 00:29:57,708 And it was sort of like the answer to the promise 676 00:29:57,751 --> 00:29:59,318 at the end of the first film 677 00:29:59,362 --> 00:30:01,799 where her ex-husband says her name five times in the mirror, 678 00:30:01,843 --> 00:30:03,801 which is one of the funniest scenes in cinema, 679 00:30:03,845 --> 00:30:06,934 him being like, "Helen, Helen," you know? 680 00:30:06,979 --> 00:30:08,719 And which I love, 681 00:30:08,762 --> 00:30:10,721 but again was completely besides the point 682 00:30:10,765 --> 00:30:12,114 and the wrong point of view. 683 00:30:12,157 --> 00:30:13,159 - At the end of the day, 684 00:30:13,201 --> 00:30:15,029 I think our core responsibility 685 00:30:15,074 --> 00:30:17,205 was to make it Candyman's story 686 00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:19,556 and show that it's society 687 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,298 that makes him the monster he himself is not. 688 00:30:22,342 --> 00:30:25,300 - I feel really connected to this neighborhood. 689 00:30:25,345 --> 00:30:26,650 - In the new film, 690 00:30:26,693 --> 00:30:29,305 art is such an important part of who he is 691 00:30:29,348 --> 00:30:30,480 and why he's there. 692 00:30:30,523 --> 00:30:31,873 He's drawn to that. 693 00:30:31,916 --> 00:30:34,006 Sometimes, great artists can do things 694 00:30:34,048 --> 00:30:36,182 that conjures up images 695 00:30:36,224 --> 00:30:37,965 that they have no control of. 696 00:30:38,009 --> 00:30:39,228 In the new version, 697 00:30:39,271 --> 00:30:41,577 I think art is the principal weapon 698 00:30:41,622 --> 00:30:43,842 as opposed to the original 699 00:30:43,884 --> 00:30:48,193 where unrequited love was the motivating factor. 700 00:30:48,237 --> 00:30:49,542 But they're both relevant 701 00:30:49,586 --> 00:30:50,500 because they're both the same thing. 702 00:30:50,544 --> 00:30:51,849 Love is art. 703 00:30:51,893 --> 00:30:53,328 - Candyman. 704 00:30:53,373 --> 00:30:54,677 - Anthony. 705 00:30:54,721 --> 00:30:55,505 - Candyman. 706 00:30:55,548 --> 00:30:57,202 - Anthony, no. 707 00:30:57,246 --> 00:30:59,030 - Candyman. - Stop. 708 00:30:59,074 --> 00:31:00,162 Stop it. - Candyman. 709 00:31:00,205 --> 00:31:01,597 - Stop it! 710 00:31:01,642 --> 00:31:03,730 - "Candyman" is about an artist named Anthony 711 00:31:03,773 --> 00:31:06,690 and his search for inspiration. 712 00:31:06,733 --> 00:31:08,344 - I think I made a mistake. 713 00:31:08,387 --> 00:31:10,999 - In his work and his search for identity 714 00:31:11,042 --> 00:31:12,173 in the place he lives, 715 00:31:12,218 --> 00:31:14,220 which is a Cabrini-Green in Chicago. 716 00:31:14,262 --> 00:31:16,352 And in that search, 717 00:31:16,395 --> 00:31:19,181 he stumbles upon an urban legend called Candyman. 718 00:31:19,224 --> 00:31:20,226 - I saw him! 719 00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:23,445 - Candyman isn't real, Anthony. 720 00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:27,276 - Developing that was just really digging into 721 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:30,192 what does it mean to be Daniel Robitaille, 722 00:31:30,236 --> 00:31:34,980 a man whose proximity to whiteness did not save him. 723 00:31:36,415 --> 00:31:37,653 - He made a good living touring the country, 724 00:31:37,677 --> 00:31:39,897 painting portraits for wealthy families, 725 00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:41,724 but you know how it goes. 726 00:31:41,769 --> 00:31:44,903 They love what we make, but not us. 727 00:31:44,945 --> 00:31:47,730 - How do you juggle the legacy of Candyman, 728 00:31:47,775 --> 00:31:50,517 what's legitimately scary about the first one. 729 00:31:53,999 --> 00:31:55,304 People traumatized for life, 730 00:31:55,347 --> 00:31:57,219 afraid to say Candyman five times in a mirror, 731 00:31:57,262 --> 00:31:58,916 keep all that. 732 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,570 So I love the way the new movie leans into everything 733 00:32:01,615 --> 00:32:03,790 that worked about the previous one. 734 00:32:14,671 --> 00:32:15,977 - The way the film starts 735 00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:18,413 with the drone shot was like amazing. 736 00:32:18,458 --> 00:32:20,415 But now, every movie has drone shots. 737 00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:23,288 So I wanted to kind of, no pun intended, 738 00:32:23,332 --> 00:32:24,986 flip it on its head, 739 00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:26,789 signifying to the audience like, yes, this is "Candyman," 740 00:32:26,814 --> 00:32:29,337 but this is from a whole different perspective. 741 00:32:29,382 --> 00:32:30,836 It's going to be the city that you know, 742 00:32:30,861 --> 00:32:31,775 that you've seen, 743 00:32:31,818 --> 00:32:32,993 Chicago, a beautiful city, 744 00:32:33,038 --> 00:32:37,085 but turned upside down a bit, you know? 745 00:32:37,128 --> 00:32:39,347 Like it's another perspective, another point of view. 746 00:32:39,392 --> 00:32:40,673 - We wanted to reinvent that for today 747 00:32:40,697 --> 00:32:43,613 and we wanted to reclaim it. 748 00:32:43,656 --> 00:32:45,833 We wanted to make sure that it was something more 749 00:32:45,875 --> 00:32:47,790 than just another horror villain. 750 00:32:47,835 --> 00:32:49,357 - I am the writing on the wall. 751 00:32:51,403 --> 00:32:53,231 - I would call it Reclamation. 752 00:32:54,711 --> 00:32:57,105 It's a reclamation of the mythology. 753 00:32:57,148 --> 00:33:01,631 It's a reclamation of the Black vision for the story. 754 00:33:01,674 --> 00:33:03,807 - I'm hoping to spread the story all about Candyman. 755 00:33:03,851 --> 00:33:05,895 The mirror invites you to summon him. 756 00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:07,897 - We have a Black protagonist 757 00:33:07,942 --> 00:33:10,117 and we have a Black sensibility. 758 00:33:10,162 --> 00:33:11,336 - Be my victim. 759 00:33:12,903 --> 00:33:15,993 - This is not real, it's not real. 760 00:33:16,037 --> 00:33:19,126 - Candyman exists because we believe in Candyman. 761 00:33:19,171 --> 00:33:20,171 - Believe. 762 00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:22,237 - Because we afraid of Candyman. 763 00:33:22,260 --> 00:33:23,696 If we stopped caring about him, 764 00:33:25,873 --> 00:33:27,308 he would go away. 765 00:33:27,353 --> 00:33:29,310 And that is kind of, I think, 766 00:33:29,355 --> 00:33:33,010 how we as a society feel about racism 767 00:33:33,054 --> 00:33:36,317 is if we don't think about it, it will go away. 768 00:33:36,362 --> 00:33:37,666 Well, it will never go away 769 00:33:37,711 --> 00:33:39,930 and Candyman can never go away 770 00:33:39,973 --> 00:33:42,193 because Candyman is that representation 771 00:33:42,237 --> 00:33:45,022 of our collective shame. 772 00:33:45,066 --> 00:33:49,288 - Now, do you see what was taken from me? 773 00:33:50,636 --> 00:33:52,942 - Horror can lean into that quite a bit. 774 00:33:52,987 --> 00:33:55,858 They can reflect the nasty bits of society. 775 00:33:55,903 --> 00:33:59,037 And we're seeing it in living color right now, 776 00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:00,710 but the movies can make it even more monstrous 777 00:34:00,733 --> 00:34:03,214 and even more apparent to those who need to see it. 778 00:34:03,258 --> 00:34:04,867 - For me, the stakes are much higher 779 00:34:04,912 --> 00:34:06,454 than like a horror villain that everyone seems to like. 780 00:34:06,479 --> 00:34:08,697 The stakes are Black lives. 781 00:34:08,742 --> 00:34:09,699 - Candyman is how we deal with the fact 782 00:34:09,742 --> 00:34:11,918 that these things happen, 783 00:34:11,961 --> 00:34:13,615 that they're still happening. 784 00:34:13,659 --> 00:34:16,402 - Everybody in America has a story. 785 00:34:16,445 --> 00:34:18,056 You may have taken away my arm, 786 00:34:18,099 --> 00:34:19,927 you may have technically killed me, 787 00:34:19,969 --> 00:34:21,101 but you can't silence me. 788 00:34:26,106 --> 00:34:28,762 And Candyman will be listened to. 789 00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:31,677 - Tell everyone. 790 00:34:33,983 --> 00:34:35,724 - Boy, do I hate bees. 791 00:34:35,768 --> 00:34:38,554 And I was watching "Candyman" at a sleepover. 792 00:34:38,597 --> 00:34:40,599 We get to the scene where he opens his chest 793 00:34:40,643 --> 00:34:41,556 and it's full of bees. 794 00:34:41,601 --> 00:34:42,818 And you know, 795 00:34:42,862 --> 00:34:44,101 the bees are pouring out of his mouth 796 00:34:44,125 --> 00:34:45,581 and I start getting sweaty and nervous 797 00:34:45,605 --> 00:34:47,409 'cause I keep thinking about the sensation of bees 798 00:34:47,432 --> 00:34:49,391 like crawling all over me. 799 00:34:49,434 --> 00:34:50,958 And the more I keep thinking about bees 800 00:34:51,001 --> 00:34:53,264 and the more I can't let go of these intrusive thoughts, 801 00:34:53,307 --> 00:34:54,831 that they're just circling in my head, 802 00:34:54,875 --> 00:34:57,746 I like work myself up into an anxious panic, 803 00:34:57,791 --> 00:35:00,576 and they turn the lights on after the sleepover 804 00:35:00,619 --> 00:35:03,101 and I am covered like neck to chest, 805 00:35:03,143 --> 00:35:04,405 arm to elbow, 806 00:35:04,449 --> 00:35:06,755 just covered in hives, covered in hives. 807 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:07,757 I worked myself into them. 808 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,150 I can't stop itching. 809 00:35:09,193 --> 00:35:10,498 All of the girls at the sleepover 810 00:35:10,543 --> 00:35:11,954 thought like something horrible happened to me 811 00:35:11,978 --> 00:35:13,284 and I'm next. 812 00:35:13,327 --> 00:35:14,764 Or like, I'm just weird and sick. 813 00:35:14,807 --> 00:35:16,001 And I'm just sitting there itching. 814 00:35:16,025 --> 00:35:16,940 Like, I don't know. 815 00:35:16,983 --> 00:35:18,246 I kept thinking about the bees 816 00:35:18,289 --> 00:35:19,856 and now this is what's happening. 817 00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:21,771 So yeah, the first time I saw "Candyman," 818 00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:24,077 I worked myself up into giving myself hives. 819 00:35:27,646 --> 00:35:28,603 Put it on the poster. 820 00:35:28,648 --> 00:35:31,476 It made me itchy. 62372

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