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- "The Forbidden,"
Clive's story,
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in the "Books of Blood,"
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I read that and I liked that.
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And that struck me as something
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that was worth
making a movie about.
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So I called Clive
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and asked him if I
could borrow the rights.
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Clive's original
conception of Candyman,
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he was not an
African American man.
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He was not.
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- The vision of the
monster in "The Forbidden"
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was completely different
from what we came up with.
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He had long, long arms.
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He was hairy.
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He had broken fingernails.
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One eyeball was hanging out.
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And Bernard wanted to
turn it around and say,
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what if the monster
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that is frightening everybody
is a normal looking Black man?
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We're a different
kind of monster.
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It's not just a monster
terrorizing the suburb
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and some unexplainable,
unshapeable monstrosity
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that's haunting your nightmares.
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This is the monster you created.
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Most people know the
story of Candyman.
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His father was a
famous shoemaker
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and he wanted to
become an artist.
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And then because of that
turn of the century racism,
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he was chased down,
covered with honey,
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had his hands cut off,
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lynched his artistic
hand, his right hand.
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- Clive's original
conception of Candyman,
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I mean, I don't know if
he was influenced by this,
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but to me, I always
imagined him.
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I don't know if you
know a German book
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called "Struwwelpeter."
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There's some very
frightening characters in it.
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There's also the long
legged scissor man
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who comes and chops off
the thumbs of children
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who suck their thumbs.
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So I kind of imagined a bit
from the description in the book
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that Candyman looked
like Struwwelpeter.
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- I think what's scary about it
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is that you bring
it on yourself.
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Candyman, like you choose him.
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Like he says it throughout
the entire first film.
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- Be my victim.
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- And I think that
like Freudian instinct
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of self-destruction, I think,
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is really terrifying to people.
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- He's almost more like a
vampire than he is a monster.
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And you have to sort of
look at the deformity,
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and a bloody hook, and all that
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before you start
to think, oh yeah,
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this guy is actually monstrous.
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- I mean, I almost don't even
think in terms of "Candyman"
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as a slasher in a sense.
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It's more of a monster movie.
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It just feels,
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you know, even though
he has the hook
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and he kills people with it,
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there's such a dense,
interesting backstory to him.
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And the way he's dealt with
in the first film at least
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that I think separates him
from the slasher characters.
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- I'm scared,
scared for my child.
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That he never
going to catch him.
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- Who?
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- Candyman.
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- It was possibly one
of the finest decisions
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in horror history
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that Bernard Rose
had zero interest
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in presenting Candyman as
depicted in the novella.
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I sometimes try to imagine
what Candyman would be like
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if they'd cast an actor as
described in the novella.
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And I doubt we'd be
talking about him today.
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- He was really a revelation
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in terms of the portrayal of
Black characters at that time.
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- Good.
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Because you got to rob to
get rich in the Reagan era.
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- You know, a lot
of it tended to be
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inner city hood characters.
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- Don't you ever pull a gun
on me again in your life.
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- I hope I won't have to.
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- Yeah, we all go down if
you do 'cause we all crew.
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- So to have this
articulate artist,
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I think Tony Todd came through
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and presented that
as a character
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that you could really relate to,
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regardless of your race.
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- You go through the
history of horror monsters.
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There really aren't a lot
of Black horror monsters
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and that's fine.
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It's not like people are
sitting around saying,
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God, I wish we'd have more
Black villains in movies.
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No one's saying that.
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But at the same time,
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Candyman works because Candyman
has a reason for existing.
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Candyman has been put on a
path outside of his own making.
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- Candyman was stung
to death by the bees.
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They burned his
body on a giant pyre
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and then scattered his
ashes over Cabrini-Green.
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- You understand why he's upset.
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You understand his pain
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and you empathize with
him in a lot of ways,
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even though he is going
around killing people
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in Cabrini-Green.
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It's unlike any other
character because of that.
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- I was talking to some
people who lived in Cabrini
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and they all volunteered for
me the story of Bloody Mary.
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And so I said,
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well, you have to call Candyman
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like Bloody Mary in the mirror.
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- Candyman, Candyman,
Candyman, Candyman.
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- It was 13 times
in the original
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and they start reading
Candyman, Candyman, Candyman.
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So everyone's falling asleep.
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I'll make it five
and that was it.
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- Candyman.
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You chicken!
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- I love that the
original "Candyman"
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uses urban legend and
fear of the other.
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- We've got a real
shot here, Bernadette.
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An entire community
starts attributing
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the daily horrors of their
lives to a mythical figure.
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- Helen Lyle fucked around
and found out basically.
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- If you look in the mirror
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and say his name five times,
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he'll appear behind you
breathing down your neck.
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- I love the idea of
a monster who emerges
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in order to assert
his own identity
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and to keep himself in
the thought processes
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of the people in Cabrini-Green.
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- Your disbelief
destroyed the faith
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in my congregation.
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Without them, I am nothing.
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So I was obliged to come.
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And now, I must kill you.
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- Even during the kill
scenes, we feel his pain.
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And it's all sold
through his eyes.
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We feel his soul in that movie.
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We feel how he
got to that point,
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how he became the urban
legend of Candyman.
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- He needs to kill to
maintain his legacy
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and to keep his spiritual
being, his essence.
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- Our names be
written on 1,000 walls,
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our crimes told and retold
by our faithful believers.
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- It kind of lends into
the whole tradition
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of African oral storytelling.
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The masters didn't
allow their slaves
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to learn how to read or write
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for fear of they would
organize and rebel.
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So traditions were
passed on by oral means.
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And so I think this kind of
feeds into that sort of thing
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where the power of oral stories
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get passed down from
generation to generation.
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- I do remember I
was in fifth grade
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when I heard about Candyman
for the first time.
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That's where I was dared to
say his name in the mirror.
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I never did 'cause that's crazy.
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- Candyman.
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- There's this
challenge going on
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called the Candyman challenge.
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You go to in front
of your mirror
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and you say Candyman
five times over and over.
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- Don't be freaking
scared, don't be scared.
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- Okay.
- Don't be scared.
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- Candyman, Candyman.
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- Candyman, Candyman.
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- Candyman.
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- Oh no!
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- Folklore is an outlet for
connecting with other people.
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It's really about
preserving culture,
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about creating our own culture
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from what's kind of come before.
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And I think Candyman is
definitely a part of that.
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- What if we go missing
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and they play this on
the news the next day?
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- Candyman is iconic
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because of the very
real dare system
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that happens in a
group of friends.
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- What?
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- There's somebody in there.
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I saw a light go on.
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- There's nobody there.
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- Psych.
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- That's not funny.
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That was not funny.
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- I was totally
scared of Candyman
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and my brother knew that.
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And he used to shove
me in the bathroom,
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say Candyman five times,
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turn off the lights, and
then hold the door closed.
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Candyman was definitely one of
the scariest villains to me,
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and one of the most interesting,
and one of the most sad.
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- Candyman is like this
entity who comes for you,
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but he looks like you.
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He looks like a member
of your community,
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but he's just kind of
different and warped.
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- Just trying to
understand a full story
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because we're a different
kind of monster.
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It's not just a monster
terrorizing the suburb
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and some unexplainable,
unshapeable monstrosity
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that's haunting your nightmares.
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This is a person
that you created.
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This is the monster that
is not self-made, okay?
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He's a Frankenstein
turned upside down
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'cause he's created by society.
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- Anyone who conjures Candyman
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has to suffer the consequences.
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And it's kind of a good allegory
for the legacy of racism.
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Anyone today who
lives in a society
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that's founded on
social inequality,
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racial inequality will
deal with the consequences.
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- Candyman also like,
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it's an incantation that brings
this force into your life.
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And think about
what kinds of things
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that we bring into our
lives as a society.
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Like we're in this
horrible divisive place
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and how much of that
do we have a hand in?
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- Sometimes, we turn
icons into what they are
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because we identify
with them in some way
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or we identify with the phobia
that they might represent.
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And usually, they
reflect something
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that's going on in
society at the time.
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There's some kind of moral panic
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that might be reflected
in those movies.
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- "Candyman" also represents
the angry Black man stereotype,
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the stereotype of a Black
person who is not contained
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or controlled by fear or shame.
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And he's angry
for a good reason.
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And I think that's
true of a lot of people
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who are labeled with that
angry Black man stereotype.
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We're mad, not because
we're naturally mad.
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We're mad because we
are subjected to real
horror every day,
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real menace and real fear.
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And that's why Candyman
is both a monster
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and a heroic figure
to a lot of people.
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- So the monster
isn't just Candyman.
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The monster in Candyman is
the so-called urban jungle.
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The monster is Black masculinity
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because it's not just
Candyman who's scary.
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All these Black dudes are scary.
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- I hear you're looking
for Candyman, bitch.
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Well, you found him.
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- I find Daniel Robitaille
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one of the most
fascinating people
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I've ever spent time with.
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He was more like a
Phantom of the Opera
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than a beast in the woods.
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- The shine of his shoes,
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that incredible
costuming he has.
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He's gorgeous.
253
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You know, that's
the bottom line.
254
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Your first reaction is
you're kind of entranced
255
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along with Helen.
256
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He is a very unique
monster in that way.
257
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- He's wearing dress
shoes, and a long coat,
258
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and a scarf and he's elegant.
259
00:11:37,479 --> 00:11:38,759
That's the whole
point about him.
260
00:11:38,784 --> 00:11:40,394
- I would love to
have that coat.
261
00:11:40,437 --> 00:11:41,744
I think that's a beautiful coat
262
00:11:41,788 --> 00:11:45,835
and Candyman is the most
stylish horror monster,
263
00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:47,532
in my opinion.
264
00:11:47,576 --> 00:11:49,926
I don't think Candyman would
work if he was bad dresser.
265
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I think he had to look cool.
266
00:11:52,407 --> 00:11:55,539
And of course, there's
tons of stereotypes
267
00:11:55,584 --> 00:11:56,952
about Black people
being good dressers.
268
00:11:56,976 --> 00:11:58,847
And that's one I don't mind.
269
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- He is charming,
he is handsome.
270
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- Helen, you came to me.
271
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- He is debonair, he's classy.
272
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And at the same time,
273
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he looks like he is going
to mess you up if need be.
274
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And they were so smart to
not do anything to his face,
275
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which is what we
did in the 1980s.
276
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We'll put a mask on that,
we'll put a scar here.
277
00:12:18,346 --> 00:12:20,672
No, no, we're going to make you
look all burned and messed up.
278
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- Candyman did not wear a mask
279
00:12:22,263 --> 00:12:23,786
and did not wear a
prosthetic makeup.
280
00:12:23,830 --> 00:12:25,875
Tony Todd has such
a striking face.
281
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It's in the eyes too.
282
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It's interesting,
283
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he looks like this handsome,
tall kind of powerful person.
284
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So I think that that all
kind of comes together
285
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and makes Candyman special.
286
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- Tony Todd kind of proved
287
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that you don't need
the layers of makeup.
288
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You don't need any of that.
289
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What you need is
someone who is intense,
290
00:12:42,630 --> 00:12:43,806
and who can deliver,
291
00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:45,764
and who can engage
your audience.
292
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- There's a bunch of storyboards
293
00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,769
that I drew before I cast Tony.
294
00:12:50,812 --> 00:12:54,424
And Tony does look like the
drawings before I cast him.
295
00:12:54,469 --> 00:12:56,950
It was just like this
guy, he's got it all.
296
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He's got the elegance.
297
00:12:58,647 --> 00:13:00,822
He could be intimidating
and he could be ruthless,
298
00:13:00,866 --> 00:13:03,086
but that wasn't what
you took from him.
299
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- Your death will be a
tale to frightened children
300
00:13:05,958 --> 00:13:08,482
to make lovers come
closer in their rapture.
301
00:13:09,831 --> 00:13:11,659
- I think that the idea
302
00:13:11,702 --> 00:13:16,273
that he was this tragic
person would have been enough,
303
00:13:16,317 --> 00:13:19,101
but he didn't play Candyman as
like an angry avenge person.
304
00:13:19,145 --> 00:13:20,799
He played it as somebody
305
00:13:20,842 --> 00:13:23,932
who you could just tell felt
sorrow for what he was doing.
306
00:13:23,976 --> 00:13:26,806
There were so many levels
to Tony Todd's performance.
307
00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,941
- Anybody can wield a weapon
308
00:13:31,985 --> 00:13:33,942
and anyone can use
it to hurt someone.
309
00:13:33,986 --> 00:13:38,774
The power is the way
Candyman presents himself.
310
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I am scared of him in the
way he says Helen's name.
311
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- Helen.
312
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- I just need to hear him talk,
313
00:13:49,176 --> 00:13:52,308
I need to hear the
grumble of his voice,
314
00:13:52,352 --> 00:13:54,355
and I'm already chilled.
315
00:13:54,398 --> 00:13:55,835
- He's written very poetically.
316
00:13:55,878 --> 00:13:58,359
I knew his voice was deeper
than my normal voice,
317
00:13:58,402 --> 00:13:59,881
so we worked on that.
318
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Like Helen, Helen, Helen.
319
00:14:02,884 --> 00:14:07,672
Helen, I came for you.
320
00:14:14,375 --> 00:14:17,856
Everything that he says
has a weight to it.
321
00:14:17,899 --> 00:14:19,249
You know?
322
00:14:19,293 --> 00:14:21,686
And it's not just in the
sentences and each word,
323
00:14:21,730 --> 00:14:23,078
you know?
324
00:14:23,123 --> 00:14:24,763
As opposed to me, I'm
more of a saxophone.
325
00:14:26,212 --> 00:14:28,649
Daniel was like a cello.
326
00:14:33,654 --> 00:14:34,654
Helen.
327
00:14:37,136 --> 00:14:39,790
The most important
thing was his stance.
328
00:14:43,577 --> 00:14:46,232
The way he moves, takes
his time, there's no rush.
329
00:14:47,234 --> 00:14:49,192
He never chases anybody
330
00:14:49,235 --> 00:14:52,934
and he calls to people that
he wants into his realm.
331
00:14:52,979 --> 00:14:54,980
Come with me and be immortal.
332
00:14:56,591 --> 00:15:00,464
- He is a terrifying
figure because of his size,
333
00:15:02,639 --> 00:15:04,033
because of his voice.
334
00:15:04,076 --> 00:15:06,078
- You're mine now.
335
00:15:06,121 --> 00:15:08,124
- Because of the
hook, and the coat,
336
00:15:08,168 --> 00:15:09,472
and the bees coming out of him.
337
00:15:09,517 --> 00:15:11,649
But he also has a nobility.
338
00:15:11,692 --> 00:15:13,563
- He leaves an impression
on you, you know?
339
00:15:13,607 --> 00:15:16,740
And he has a sort of
dignity to him as well.
340
00:15:16,784 --> 00:15:18,655
He didn't feel like grotesque
341
00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:21,832
in the way that Freddy or Jason
342
00:15:21,876 --> 00:15:23,573
or Mike Myers felt grotesque.
343
00:15:23,618 --> 00:15:24,793
It's weird.
344
00:15:24,836 --> 00:15:27,056
Like Candyman wasn't
really a monster
345
00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:29,928
so much as like a guy
who had a hook for a hand
346
00:15:29,971 --> 00:15:33,062
who had a history of pain
that we all understood.
347
00:15:33,105 --> 00:15:34,605
So I think he was like
unique in that way as well
348
00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:36,936
from the other villains
that I grew up with.
349
00:15:36,979 --> 00:15:38,980
- I've spoken to Tony
Todd about the fact
350
00:15:39,024 --> 00:15:40,634
that Black people
who saw it as kids
351
00:15:40,677 --> 00:15:42,767
will come up to him and say,
352
00:15:42,811 --> 00:15:46,075
you were such a hero
to them as an antihero.
353
00:15:46,119 --> 00:15:49,817
- I can't say nothing
or Candyman will get me.
354
00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:52,602
- Not because he
was nice necessarily
355
00:15:52,647 --> 00:15:54,605
to any of the Black
residents there,
356
00:15:54,649 --> 00:15:56,606
but because he
had so much power.
357
00:15:56,650 --> 00:15:58,522
He was a powerful figure
358
00:15:58,566 --> 00:16:00,697
and these were kids
who were craving power.
359
00:16:00,741 --> 00:16:03,658
So when you don't really
have much to choose from,
360
00:16:03,701 --> 00:16:06,616
you'll take power in whatever
form you can find it.
361
00:16:06,660 --> 00:16:08,663
- I was in college
when I saw Candyman
362
00:16:08,706 --> 00:16:10,273
and I was studying theater,
363
00:16:10,317 --> 00:16:11,621
so acting, you know,
364
00:16:11,666 --> 00:16:13,188
I wanted to be
the first biracial
365
00:16:13,232 --> 00:16:15,495
Teen Beat magazine centerfold.
366
00:16:15,538 --> 00:16:17,846
It was this kind of forbidden
interracial love story.
367
00:16:17,889 --> 00:16:19,847
As somebody who's
biracial myself,
368
00:16:19,890 --> 00:16:21,370
that just really
resonated with me.
369
00:16:22,677 --> 00:16:23,851
- There was almost something
370
00:16:23,894 --> 00:16:25,985
very Dracula-esque
about Candyman
371
00:16:26,028 --> 00:16:27,463
where it was the long lost love,
372
00:16:27,508 --> 00:16:30,032
but there was all of
these great things
373
00:16:30,076 --> 00:16:32,469
that were kind of
coming together in that.
374
00:16:32,513 --> 00:16:35,037
- There's so many
different themes going on
375
00:16:35,081 --> 00:16:36,038
within "Candyman."
376
00:16:36,081 --> 00:16:37,561
You have the slavery aspect
377
00:16:37,605 --> 00:16:39,736
where you have like
horrible American culture,
378
00:16:39,780 --> 00:16:41,696
but you also have
like interracial love.
379
00:16:43,610 --> 00:16:45,351
- I always like to
shoot without rehearsal
380
00:16:45,394 --> 00:16:47,397
because you can
always do it again.
381
00:16:47,441 --> 00:16:49,659
The first time is
usually the best time.
382
00:16:49,703 --> 00:16:52,836
First scene I shot with Tony
was the scene in the car park
383
00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,317
where we first meet him.
384
00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,537
Tony walks in, but he
just had something,
385
00:16:56,580 --> 00:16:59,061
and I think it was the way that
he walked towards Virginia.
386
00:16:59,105 --> 00:17:01,193
You just felt that
he was in love.
387
00:17:02,586 --> 00:17:05,240
It wasn't just about
killing or this,
388
00:17:05,285 --> 00:17:07,852
or some story, or some fantasy.
389
00:17:07,895 --> 00:17:11,203
It was romantic.
390
00:17:11,247 --> 00:17:12,727
- We were like,
this is a romance.
391
00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:15,903
And the things that
he says to her,
392
00:17:15,946 --> 00:17:18,515
even be my victim
393
00:17:18,558 --> 00:17:22,737
and what is blood
if not for shedding,
394
00:17:22,779 --> 00:17:26,914
and you know, how
glorious it will be,
395
00:17:27,959 --> 00:17:32,615
which it's so dark,
396
00:17:32,660 --> 00:17:37,403
but he means it with this
great amount of love.
397
00:17:38,404 --> 00:17:39,424
- We did horseback riding,
398
00:17:39,449 --> 00:17:40,711
we did fencing together,
399
00:17:40,755 --> 00:17:42,365
we did ballroom dancing.
400
00:17:42,409 --> 00:17:43,758
We did that for
two or three weeks
401
00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,201
before the actual
production started
402
00:17:45,238 --> 00:17:49,546
so we had that sort of
romantic vibe going in.
403
00:17:49,589 --> 00:17:51,679
- Tony would just glide.
404
00:17:54,595 --> 00:17:56,814
And he was like, I'll just
hold you up and do it.
405
00:17:58,598 --> 00:18:02,211
Both of us have this place in
our hearts for that sequence.
406
00:18:02,255 --> 00:18:05,736
- We both embraced it because
it was like rehearsing
407
00:18:05,779 --> 00:18:07,607
what we were going to
be feeling and doing
408
00:18:07,651 --> 00:18:08,957
once the cameras
started rolling.
409
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,152
And then we could
forget about them.
410
00:18:10,175 --> 00:18:11,567
No offense to camera operators,
411
00:18:11,612 --> 00:18:13,134
but at the end of the day,
412
00:18:13,179 --> 00:18:15,094
when you're on the set,
413
00:18:15,136 --> 00:18:16,790
you want to be as
natural as possible.
414
00:18:19,968 --> 00:18:21,099
- So beautiful.
415
00:18:21,143 --> 00:18:22,578
Talk about a score,
416
00:18:22,623 --> 00:18:25,799
a beautiful score that
offsets the horror
417
00:18:25,843 --> 00:18:26,931
of what you're seeing.
418
00:18:26,974 --> 00:18:29,238
- Philip Glass.
- Unbelievable.
419
00:18:29,281 --> 00:18:32,111
And that absolutely makes
Candyman hit different
420
00:18:32,153 --> 00:18:36,680
than any of the other big
iconic villains of this era.
421
00:18:36,723 --> 00:18:38,116
- Yeah.
422
00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,039
And that's why I enjoyed
the kiss with the bees.
423
00:18:43,296 --> 00:18:45,298
- I mean, I had real
bees in my mouth.
424
00:18:45,340 --> 00:18:46,951
I worked with over
a million bees.
425
00:18:46,994 --> 00:18:48,605
I had a different
lawyer at the time
426
00:18:48,648 --> 00:18:51,607
that negotiated $1,000
dollars per sting.
427
00:18:51,652 --> 00:18:54,523
And I think we had 28 over
the course of three films.
428
00:18:54,567 --> 00:18:55,873
So that was a nice little perk.
429
00:18:55,916 --> 00:18:58,136
It took a little
bit of pain away.
430
00:18:58,180 --> 00:19:00,616
- He's not acting like a
man with bees in his mouth.
431
00:19:00,661 --> 00:19:02,638
He's acting like a man who's
about to kiss his lover,
432
00:19:02,663 --> 00:19:03,619
you know?
433
00:19:03,663 --> 00:19:05,230
- Allow me at least to kiss.
434
00:19:06,318 --> 00:19:08,146
Just one exquisite kiss.
435
00:19:10,236 --> 00:19:11,976
As soon as I read
the first scene,
436
00:19:12,019 --> 00:19:14,500
I asked, we're using
practical bees, right?
437
00:19:14,544 --> 00:19:15,652
We're doing practical effects.
438
00:19:15,675 --> 00:19:16,676
And the answer was, yes.
439
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,634
I said, this will be remembered
440
00:19:18,679 --> 00:19:20,375
by anybody that
had ever seen it.
441
00:19:28,210 --> 00:19:30,646
- I remember seeing
"Candyman" in theaters.
442
00:19:30,691 --> 00:19:34,825
Me and two of my friends
snuck in to Candyman.
443
00:19:34,868 --> 00:19:37,523
And I was not expecting that.
444
00:19:37,567 --> 00:19:40,527
I was definitely
as an adolescent
445
00:19:40,569 --> 00:19:44,008
expecting Mike
Myers, Jason, Freddy,
446
00:19:44,051 --> 00:19:46,576
a lot of the other slashers
that I had seen at this point.
447
00:19:46,619 --> 00:19:48,664
"Candyman" is nothing like that.
448
00:19:48,709 --> 00:19:50,927
- I was very intrigued by
the Candyman's argument
449
00:19:50,971 --> 00:19:52,843
which is that since he exists,
450
00:19:52,886 --> 00:19:54,236
because people believe in him,
451
00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:56,194
if they debunk him, he'll die.
452
00:19:56,238 --> 00:19:59,327
In other words, yes,
Virginia, there is a Candyman.
453
00:19:59,372 --> 00:20:01,262
This is a little deeper than
your average horror film
454
00:20:01,287 --> 00:20:02,635
and I enjoyed it a little more.
455
00:20:08,729 --> 00:20:10,209
- By the time I
was in film school,
456
00:20:10,251 --> 00:20:12,384
that was definitely a
conversation starter was like,
457
00:20:12,428 --> 00:20:14,450
Candyman is probably one of
the best films of this decade.
458
00:20:14,473 --> 00:20:15,865
And then it would just launch
459
00:20:15,910 --> 00:20:18,346
into like an intellectual
conversation.
460
00:20:18,391 --> 00:20:20,087
- I'm a 15-year-old
kid going to that
461
00:20:20,131 --> 00:20:21,567
and feeling drawn to him.
462
00:20:21,611 --> 00:20:22,960
- Also keep in mind,
463
00:20:23,003 --> 00:20:25,875
and I always, always
tell people this too,
464
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,269
this is when urban films were
kind of coming into play.
465
00:20:28,314 --> 00:20:30,750
So I think Candyman came out
at a perfect time for that.
466
00:20:30,794 --> 00:20:34,406
We were getting our own horror
story with a Black character,
467
00:20:34,450 --> 00:20:35,582
maybe not centralized,
468
00:20:35,625 --> 00:20:37,452
but he was still the person
469
00:20:37,497 --> 00:20:39,586
that drove behinds
into seats basically.
470
00:20:39,628 --> 00:20:41,240
- During that period,
471
00:20:41,282 --> 00:20:44,590
I think it just sort
of kept bubbling under
472
00:20:44,634 --> 00:20:47,768
in its own peculiar way.
473
00:20:49,335 --> 00:20:50,727
- "Candyman."
474
00:20:50,770 --> 00:20:53,076
- It was because
cable was exploding
475
00:20:53,121 --> 00:20:55,950
and cable, the
content was there.
476
00:20:55,992 --> 00:20:57,951
So they ran "Candyman."
477
00:20:59,432 --> 00:21:01,085
It was a couple of
Christmases after,
478
00:21:01,128 --> 00:21:03,826
I remember I was with
my daughter at a mall
479
00:21:03,871 --> 00:21:06,742
and it seemed like every
store we went into,
480
00:21:06,787 --> 00:21:09,659
all of a sudden, there
were people following us.
481
00:21:09,702 --> 00:21:12,401
And it hadn't happened
like that before.
482
00:21:12,444 --> 00:21:14,403
And then by the time we
got to another floor,
483
00:21:14,446 --> 00:21:15,838
it was like 50 people.
484
00:21:15,883 --> 00:21:18,406
And my daughter was
four at the time
485
00:21:18,451 --> 00:21:20,583
and she was so upset.
486
00:21:20,626 --> 00:21:24,194
She just like dropped
her little bag and said,
487
00:21:24,239 --> 00:21:27,763
"That's not Candyman,
that's my daddy."
488
00:21:27,807 --> 00:21:28,634
Okay?
489
00:21:28,678 --> 00:21:30,114
- Right after it opened,
490
00:21:30,157 --> 00:21:34,162
this was a big movie
and people loved it.
491
00:21:36,163 --> 00:21:38,209
- We had this mega
successful movie
492
00:21:38,252 --> 00:21:39,776
with this very cool killer.
493
00:21:39,819 --> 00:21:42,387
- The first one was a big enough
hit to greenlight a second.
494
00:21:52,048 --> 00:21:53,355
- The second one,
495
00:21:53,398 --> 00:21:54,877
I wanted to make
sure that the script
496
00:21:54,922 --> 00:21:57,184
told the backstory of
Candyman completely.
497
00:21:57,228 --> 00:21:58,969
That's what I pushed for.
498
00:22:04,845 --> 00:22:06,977
- So "Candyman:
Farewell to the Flesh"
499
00:22:07,020 --> 00:22:08,825
takes place three years
after the original film
500
00:22:08,848 --> 00:22:09,980
and the original murders.
501
00:22:10,023 --> 00:22:11,634
He's down in New Orleans.
502
00:22:11,678 --> 00:22:16,116
A school teacher again is
a little bit apprehensive
503
00:22:17,117 --> 00:22:18,467
about who he is and his lore,
504
00:22:18,510 --> 00:22:21,251
but her students are a
little bit more fearful.
505
00:22:21,296 --> 00:22:23,993
- That's how he gets
you, from the mirror.
506
00:22:24,038 --> 00:22:25,473
- Five times.
507
00:22:25,518 --> 00:22:28,477
You say his name five times,
he's supposed to come.
508
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,000
- You guys don't really
believe that, do you?
509
00:22:31,045 --> 00:22:33,916
- She calls his name and
then chaos erupts from there.
510
00:22:40,576 --> 00:22:41,708
- As far as Candyman,
511
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:43,839
it's just like, good, yeah.
512
00:22:43,884 --> 00:22:45,972
Fucking kill everybody
for what you went through.
513
00:22:51,065 --> 00:22:52,848
You don't fully side with him,
514
00:22:52,893 --> 00:22:55,199
but you don't want to see
him fail either really.
515
00:22:55,242 --> 00:22:57,288
You're in this weird position
516
00:22:57,332 --> 00:23:00,029
throughout at least
the first two movies.
517
00:23:04,425 --> 00:23:05,688
- What's interesting is
518
00:23:05,731 --> 00:23:08,386
sometimes it takes
seeing other movies
519
00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:09,865
to know how special
something is.
520
00:23:09,910 --> 00:23:14,653
But if you watch Candyman
sequels, it's tough.
521
00:23:15,436 --> 00:23:17,047
- If anything,
522
00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:19,211
the sequels are detrimental
to the legacy of Candyman.
523
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:23,531
- Unfortunately, by the
time you get to the sequels,
524
00:23:23,576 --> 00:23:26,056
they're really starting
to sink under the weight
525
00:23:26,099 --> 00:23:28,406
of all of the issues
526
00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:31,887
that to some people weren't
as apparent in the original
527
00:23:31,932 --> 00:23:36,458
because the original was so
fresh, so exciting, so scary.
528
00:23:36,501 --> 00:23:38,590
The imagery, the
art, the murals,
529
00:23:38,634 --> 00:23:42,898
and then Candyman too is trying
to sort of take that baton
530
00:23:42,942 --> 00:23:44,161
and run with it.
531
00:23:44,204 --> 00:23:46,076
But it really did
start to become
532
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,252
more about Black men
as jump scares, right?
533
00:23:52,343 --> 00:23:54,606
And so like every Black person
534
00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:56,826
is potentially
going to hurt you.
535
00:23:56,869 --> 00:23:59,001
And that's not a good look.
536
00:24:00,829 --> 00:24:02,135
- It's set in New Orleans.
537
00:24:02,179 --> 00:24:04,268
There are a bunch
of Black characters.
538
00:24:04,311 --> 00:24:06,508
But still, it's about like him
and a white woman, you know?
539
00:24:06,531 --> 00:24:08,795
- You cannot change who you are.
540
00:24:10,623 --> 00:24:12,470
- Like he's still chasing
after these white ladies.
541
00:24:12,493 --> 00:24:14,384
And I think a similar thing
happened in the third film.
542
00:24:14,409 --> 00:24:16,759
- "Candyman:
Day of the Dead."
543
00:24:16,803 --> 00:24:18,107
- Help me.
544
00:24:18,152 --> 00:24:19,477
- The third one was
more of a money grab.
545
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:20,500
They meant well, but.
546
00:24:22,634 --> 00:24:24,506
- The screen's
most brutal killer
547
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:25,811
is back for blood.
548
00:24:25,855 --> 00:24:27,769
- It was the quickest shoot.
549
00:24:27,814 --> 00:24:30,469
We had some great
Latino actors in there.
550
00:24:33,036 --> 00:24:37,737
But it wasn't as fully
conceptualized as the others.
551
00:24:39,173 --> 00:24:41,305
- Revenge never tasted so sweet.
552
00:24:41,348 --> 00:24:42,611
- The third one definitely
553
00:24:42,654 --> 00:24:44,067
was a straight to
video affair though.
554
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:47,049
It was like Donna
D'Errico from "Baywatch."
555
00:24:47,094 --> 00:24:49,138
She's like the next generation
556
00:24:49,182 --> 00:24:53,926
and Candyman is trying to
get her to die with him.
557
00:24:56,451 --> 00:24:58,497
It's not making
sense really to me
558
00:24:58,539 --> 00:25:01,804
'cause there was sort of
some seductive overtones
559
00:25:01,847 --> 00:25:03,196
like he was trying to seduce
560
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,547
his great, great,
great granddaughter,
561
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:08,507
but also wanted her to
be part of his legacy.
562
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:09,549
- Come to me.
563
00:25:12,597 --> 00:25:13,903
Do not fear me.
564
00:25:13,946 --> 00:25:15,557
- I don't remember
much about the third.
565
00:25:15,601 --> 00:25:18,733
There's a sense of
purpose, I guess,
566
00:25:18,778 --> 00:25:23,521
that gives him more
leeway for our sympathy
567
00:25:24,566 --> 00:25:27,002
and for our understanding.
568
00:25:27,047 --> 00:25:28,352
- Evil breeds evil.
569
00:25:28,395 --> 00:25:30,049
This man couldn't
lash out in life,
570
00:25:30,093 --> 00:25:31,573
but in death, that hate,
571
00:25:31,616 --> 00:25:34,402
that evil was strong
enough to bring him back
572
00:25:34,444 --> 00:25:35,882
to reclaim what was taken away.
573
00:25:37,099 --> 00:25:38,013
- Older generations,
574
00:25:38,057 --> 00:25:39,276
when I hear them talk about
575
00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:40,930
when Blaxploitation
horror came out,
576
00:25:40,973 --> 00:25:42,932
they had a real
visceral reaction to it
577
00:25:42,976 --> 00:25:43,890
because they were seeing people
578
00:25:43,932 --> 00:25:45,673
who looked like them on screen.
579
00:25:45,718 --> 00:25:48,241
So I think the same thing
happened with "Candyman."
580
00:25:48,285 --> 00:25:50,417
And I think that's how certain
people in my generation
581
00:25:50,461 --> 00:25:51,419
really felt about it.
582
00:25:51,461 --> 00:25:53,289
- You have to build up the icon.
583
00:25:53,334 --> 00:25:55,465
The same way we build
it up in our mind,
584
00:25:55,509 --> 00:25:57,052
you have to build it up
in the movies itself.
585
00:25:57,076 --> 00:25:59,055
You can't come out of the
gate saying it's an icon.
586
00:25:59,078 --> 00:26:00,689
We decide that.
587
00:26:00,732 --> 00:26:04,605
And "Candyman" is probably
the last of that true era
588
00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:07,434
that has made that
mark, I think.
589
00:26:07,478 --> 00:26:10,612
Not that there haven't been
great horror villains since,
590
00:26:10,655 --> 00:26:14,094
but they just don't seem to
permeate the way that they did.
591
00:26:17,444 --> 00:26:18,750
- One day, I was doing a con.
592
00:26:18,794 --> 00:26:20,230
It was down in,
593
00:26:20,273 --> 00:26:22,884
it was either
Florida or Georgia.
594
00:26:22,929 --> 00:26:25,887
And this whole family, I spotted
them from across the way,
595
00:26:25,932 --> 00:26:30,458
literally out of casting
central Beverly hillbillies.
596
00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:31,807
And so I'm waiting.
597
00:26:31,851 --> 00:26:33,940
He says, "We like your movies."
598
00:26:33,982 --> 00:26:37,508
And I go, why is that?
599
00:26:37,551 --> 00:26:41,121
He said, "We like the
way you kill."
600
00:26:41,163 --> 00:26:42,512
And I realized at that moment,
601
00:26:44,124 --> 00:26:46,778
me and them may have never
crossed paths in life.
602
00:26:46,822 --> 00:26:49,738
But because of this
unified moment,
603
00:26:49,781 --> 00:26:52,914
even though my character
was a victim of slavery,
604
00:26:52,959 --> 00:26:54,134
and a victim of lynching,
605
00:26:54,176 --> 00:26:56,527
and a victim of
physical indignity,
606
00:26:56,570 --> 00:26:59,835
these people wanted
to give me their props
607
00:26:59,878 --> 00:27:02,445
from their side of the world.
608
00:27:02,490 --> 00:27:04,623
And that was one of
the defining moments
609
00:27:04,665 --> 00:27:06,450
when I realized that culture
610
00:27:06,493 --> 00:27:10,192
and pop iconery can reach
and touch many, many people.
611
00:27:11,586 --> 00:27:13,172
- There was a Black
American cultural boom.
612
00:27:13,195 --> 00:27:16,460
And we weren't seeing ourselves
as a monolith necessarily.
613
00:27:16,503 --> 00:27:19,375
There was more stories
and ideas coming out.
614
00:27:19,420 --> 00:27:20,942
And "Candyman" was
just a part of that,
615
00:27:20,987 --> 00:27:23,106
which I think was what makes
him special even more so.
616
00:27:25,034 --> 00:27:26,775
Fans become
filmmakers sometimes.
617
00:27:26,818 --> 00:27:29,472
And the support and
cultivation amongst each other,
618
00:27:29,517 --> 00:27:31,866
amongst ourselves is
what makes us desire
619
00:27:31,911 --> 00:27:33,520
and motivated to make a film.
620
00:27:33,564 --> 00:27:34,564
- What's Candyman?
621
00:27:36,175 --> 00:27:38,394
- Candyman ain't a he.
622
00:27:38,439 --> 00:27:41,484
Candyman is the whole damn hive.
623
00:27:41,528 --> 00:27:43,051
A story like that,
624
00:27:43,096 --> 00:27:45,097
pain like that lasts forever.
625
00:27:51,844 --> 00:27:53,061
- There's something about
626
00:27:53,105 --> 00:27:54,586
just to kind of
resurrecting him today
627
00:27:54,628 --> 00:27:56,718
in the wake of movies
like "Get Out" and "Us"
628
00:27:56,761 --> 00:27:58,501
that just makes total sense.
629
00:27:58,546 --> 00:28:03,202
- I think Jordan Peele has
really changed the landscape
630
00:28:04,247 --> 00:28:06,249
with the movies that he's made.
631
00:28:06,292 --> 00:28:08,990
And I was thinking in
the back of my head,
632
00:28:09,035 --> 00:28:11,166
like he's mentioned
it so many times.
633
00:28:11,211 --> 00:28:14,910
I wonder if he's going to
come in and bring it back.
634
00:28:14,953 --> 00:28:17,520
- I heard that Nia
DaCosta was directing.
635
00:28:17,565 --> 00:28:20,349
I thought these are the right
people to take this material
636
00:28:20,394 --> 00:28:22,701
and do something really fresh
and interesting with it.
637
00:28:28,402 --> 00:28:30,709
- "Candyman" is
malleable enough,
638
00:28:30,751 --> 00:28:32,927
just as a legend
is malleable enough
639
00:28:32,971 --> 00:28:34,712
to where you can reclaim it.
640
00:28:34,756 --> 00:28:37,019
You can make it your own
641
00:28:37,063 --> 00:28:38,387
to tell the stories
that need to be told
642
00:28:38,412 --> 00:28:40,240
that white people can't tell.
643
00:28:40,282 --> 00:28:42,415
They just can't,
not in a good way.
644
00:28:42,459 --> 00:28:44,026
- I think the
thing that happened
645
00:28:44,069 --> 00:28:46,115
was a really unique
filmmaker, Bernard Rose,
646
00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:48,901
like made this really
special, unique film
647
00:28:48,943 --> 00:28:52,730
without really digging into
what makes Candyman as a person,
648
00:28:52,773 --> 00:28:54,950
you know, the person behind
"Candyman" so interesting
649
00:28:54,993 --> 00:28:56,298
and worth telling a story about.
650
00:28:56,343 --> 00:28:58,084
- The story of Candyman.
651
00:28:59,085 --> 00:29:00,564
He walk around
652
00:29:00,607 --> 00:29:02,522
handing out candy to
the neighborhood kids.
653
00:29:03,698 --> 00:29:06,788
One day, the police come around.
654
00:29:06,832 --> 00:29:08,789
That's when I saw the
true face of fear.
655
00:29:08,834 --> 00:29:10,269
- Get on your knees.
656
00:29:10,313 --> 00:29:12,054
- Any horror fan
knows that Candyman
657
00:29:12,097 --> 00:29:15,884
is pretty much like
the quintessential
Black icon of horror.
658
00:29:15,928 --> 00:29:17,885
We wanted to reinvent
that for today.
659
00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:20,061
We wanted to make sure
that it was something more
660
00:29:20,105 --> 00:29:22,412
than just another
horror villain.
661
00:29:22,455 --> 00:29:25,067
We wanted to give him
depth and meaning.
662
00:29:25,111 --> 00:29:27,329
Nia DaCosta brings
the authenticity
663
00:29:27,374 --> 00:29:29,462
because it's just who she is.
664
00:29:29,506 --> 00:29:31,309
I think it's really, really
refreshing to see that.
665
00:29:31,334 --> 00:29:33,336
- I was like humanity.
666
00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:36,251
This should actually
be about the moment
667
00:29:36,296 --> 00:29:38,340
that we're in right now.
668
00:29:42,954 --> 00:29:43,912
This is not about a monster.
669
00:29:43,955 --> 00:29:45,260
This is about a person.
670
00:29:45,305 --> 00:29:47,349
And it's something
that I was safeguarding
671
00:29:47,394 --> 00:29:48,916
and being very particular about
672
00:29:48,961 --> 00:29:51,180
throughout the entire
process of directing it.
673
00:29:51,223 --> 00:29:53,095
The very first draft that
I read of the script,
674
00:29:53,138 --> 00:29:55,270
Helen was the villain.
675
00:29:55,315 --> 00:29:57,708
And it was sort of like
the answer to the promise
676
00:29:57,751 --> 00:29:59,318
at the end of the first film
677
00:29:59,362 --> 00:30:01,799
where her ex-husband says her
name five times in the mirror,
678
00:30:01,843 --> 00:30:03,801
which is one of the
funniest scenes in cinema,
679
00:30:03,845 --> 00:30:06,934
him being like, "Helen,
Helen," you know?
680
00:30:06,979 --> 00:30:08,719
And which I love,
681
00:30:08,762 --> 00:30:10,721
but again was completely
besides the point
682
00:30:10,765 --> 00:30:12,114
and the wrong point of view.
683
00:30:12,157 --> 00:30:13,159
- At the end of the day,
684
00:30:13,201 --> 00:30:15,029
I think our core responsibility
685
00:30:15,074 --> 00:30:17,205
was to make it Candyman's story
686
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:19,556
and show that it's society
687
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,298
that makes him the
monster he himself is not.
688
00:30:22,342 --> 00:30:25,300
- I feel really connected
to this neighborhood.
689
00:30:25,345 --> 00:30:26,650
- In the new film,
690
00:30:26,693 --> 00:30:29,305
art is such an important
part of who he is
691
00:30:29,348 --> 00:30:30,480
and why he's there.
692
00:30:30,523 --> 00:30:31,873
He's drawn to that.
693
00:30:31,916 --> 00:30:34,006
Sometimes, great
artists can do things
694
00:30:34,048 --> 00:30:36,182
that conjures up images
695
00:30:36,224 --> 00:30:37,965
that they have no control of.
696
00:30:38,009 --> 00:30:39,228
In the new version,
697
00:30:39,271 --> 00:30:41,577
I think art is the
principal weapon
698
00:30:41,622 --> 00:30:43,842
as opposed to the original
699
00:30:43,884 --> 00:30:48,193
where unrequited love was
the motivating factor.
700
00:30:48,237 --> 00:30:49,542
But they're both relevant
701
00:30:49,586 --> 00:30:50,500
because they're
both the same thing.
702
00:30:50,544 --> 00:30:51,849
Love is art.
703
00:30:51,893 --> 00:30:53,328
- Candyman.
704
00:30:53,373 --> 00:30:54,677
- Anthony.
705
00:30:54,721 --> 00:30:55,505
- Candyman.
706
00:30:55,548 --> 00:30:57,202
- Anthony, no.
707
00:30:57,246 --> 00:30:59,030
- Candyman.
- Stop.
708
00:30:59,074 --> 00:31:00,162
Stop it.
- Candyman.
709
00:31:00,205 --> 00:31:01,597
- Stop it!
710
00:31:01,642 --> 00:31:03,730
- "Candyman" is about
an artist named Anthony
711
00:31:03,773 --> 00:31:06,690
and his search for inspiration.
712
00:31:06,733 --> 00:31:08,344
- I think I made a mistake.
713
00:31:08,387 --> 00:31:10,999
- In his work and his
search for identity
714
00:31:11,042 --> 00:31:12,173
in the place he lives,
715
00:31:12,218 --> 00:31:14,220
which is a Cabrini-Green
in Chicago.
716
00:31:14,262 --> 00:31:16,352
And in that search,
717
00:31:16,395 --> 00:31:19,181
he stumbles upon an urban
legend called Candyman.
718
00:31:19,224 --> 00:31:20,226
- I saw him!
719
00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:23,445
- Candyman isn't real, Anthony.
720
00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:27,276
- Developing that was
just really digging into
721
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:30,192
what does it mean to
be Daniel Robitaille,
722
00:31:30,236 --> 00:31:34,980
a man whose proximity to
whiteness did not save him.
723
00:31:36,415 --> 00:31:37,653
- He made a good living
touring the country,
724
00:31:37,677 --> 00:31:39,897
painting portraits
for wealthy families,
725
00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:41,724
but you know how it goes.
726
00:31:41,769 --> 00:31:44,903
They love what we
make, but not us.
727
00:31:44,945 --> 00:31:47,730
- How do you juggle
the legacy of Candyman,
728
00:31:47,775 --> 00:31:50,517
what's legitimately scary
about the first one.
729
00:31:53,999 --> 00:31:55,304
People traumatized for life,
730
00:31:55,347 --> 00:31:57,219
afraid to say Candyman
five times in a mirror,
731
00:31:57,262 --> 00:31:58,916
keep all that.
732
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,570
So I love the way the new
movie leans into everything
733
00:32:01,615 --> 00:32:03,790
that worked about
the previous one.
734
00:32:14,671 --> 00:32:15,977
- The way the film starts
735
00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:18,413
with the drone shot
was like amazing.
736
00:32:18,458 --> 00:32:20,415
But now, every movie
has drone shots.
737
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:23,288
So I wanted to kind
of, no pun intended,
738
00:32:23,332 --> 00:32:24,986
flip it on its head,
739
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:26,789
signifying to the audience
like, yes, this is "Candyman,"
740
00:32:26,814 --> 00:32:29,337
but this is from a whole
different perspective.
741
00:32:29,382 --> 00:32:30,836
It's going to be the
city that you know,
742
00:32:30,861 --> 00:32:31,775
that you've seen,
743
00:32:31,818 --> 00:32:32,993
Chicago, a beautiful city,
744
00:32:33,038 --> 00:32:37,085
but turned upside
down a bit, you know?
745
00:32:37,128 --> 00:32:39,347
Like it's another perspective,
another point of view.
746
00:32:39,392 --> 00:32:40,673
- We wanted to
reinvent that for today
747
00:32:40,697 --> 00:32:43,613
and we wanted to reclaim it.
748
00:32:43,656 --> 00:32:45,833
We wanted to make sure
that it was something more
749
00:32:45,875 --> 00:32:47,790
than just another
horror villain.
750
00:32:47,835 --> 00:32:49,357
- I am the writing on the wall.
751
00:32:51,403 --> 00:32:53,231
- I would call it Reclamation.
752
00:32:54,711 --> 00:32:57,105
It's a reclamation
of the mythology.
753
00:32:57,148 --> 00:33:01,631
It's a reclamation of the
Black vision for the story.
754
00:33:01,674 --> 00:33:03,807
- I'm hoping to spread the
story all about Candyman.
755
00:33:03,851 --> 00:33:05,895
The mirror invites
you to summon him.
756
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:07,897
- We have a Black protagonist
757
00:33:07,942 --> 00:33:10,117
and we have a Black sensibility.
758
00:33:10,162 --> 00:33:11,336
- Be my victim.
759
00:33:12,903 --> 00:33:15,993
- This is not real,
it's not real.
760
00:33:16,037 --> 00:33:19,126
- Candyman exists because
we believe in Candyman.
761
00:33:19,171 --> 00:33:20,171
- Believe.
762
00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:22,237
- Because we afraid of Candyman.
763
00:33:22,260 --> 00:33:23,696
If we stopped caring about him,
764
00:33:25,873 --> 00:33:27,308
he would go away.
765
00:33:27,353 --> 00:33:29,310
And that is kind of, I think,
766
00:33:29,355 --> 00:33:33,010
how we as a society
feel about racism
767
00:33:33,054 --> 00:33:36,317
is if we don't think
about it, it will go away.
768
00:33:36,362 --> 00:33:37,666
Well, it will never go away
769
00:33:37,711 --> 00:33:39,930
and Candyman can never go away
770
00:33:39,973 --> 00:33:42,193
because Candyman is
that representation
771
00:33:42,237 --> 00:33:45,022
of our collective shame.
772
00:33:45,066 --> 00:33:49,288
- Now, do you see what
was taken from me?
773
00:33:50,636 --> 00:33:52,942
- Horror can lean
into that quite a bit.
774
00:33:52,987 --> 00:33:55,858
They can reflect the
nasty bits of society.
775
00:33:55,903 --> 00:33:59,037
And we're seeing it in
living color right now,
776
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:00,710
but the movies can make
it even more monstrous
777
00:34:00,733 --> 00:34:03,214
and even more apparent to
those who need to see it.
778
00:34:03,258 --> 00:34:04,867
- For me, the stakes
are much higher
779
00:34:04,912 --> 00:34:06,454
than like a horror villain
that everyone seems to like.
780
00:34:06,479 --> 00:34:08,697
The stakes are Black lives.
781
00:34:08,742 --> 00:34:09,699
- Candyman
is how we deal with the fact
782
00:34:09,742 --> 00:34:11,918
that these things happen,
783
00:34:11,961 --> 00:34:13,615
that they're still happening.
784
00:34:13,659 --> 00:34:16,402
- Everybody in
America has a story.
785
00:34:16,445 --> 00:34:18,056
You may have taken away my arm,
786
00:34:18,099 --> 00:34:19,927
you may have
technically killed me,
787
00:34:19,969 --> 00:34:21,101
but you can't silence me.
788
00:34:26,106 --> 00:34:28,762
And Candyman will
be listened to.
789
00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:31,677
- Tell everyone.
790
00:34:33,983 --> 00:34:35,724
- Boy, do I hate bees.
791
00:34:35,768 --> 00:34:38,554
And I was watching
"Candyman" at a sleepover.
792
00:34:38,597 --> 00:34:40,599
We get to the scene
where he opens his chest
793
00:34:40,643 --> 00:34:41,556
and it's full of bees.
794
00:34:41,601 --> 00:34:42,818
And you know,
795
00:34:42,862 --> 00:34:44,101
the bees are pouring
out of his mouth
796
00:34:44,125 --> 00:34:45,581
and I start getting
sweaty and nervous
797
00:34:45,605 --> 00:34:47,409
'cause I keep thinking
about the sensation of bees
798
00:34:47,432 --> 00:34:49,391
like crawling all over me.
799
00:34:49,434 --> 00:34:50,958
And the more I keep
thinking about bees
800
00:34:51,001 --> 00:34:53,264
and the more I can't let go
of these intrusive thoughts,
801
00:34:53,307 --> 00:34:54,831
that they're just
circling in my head,
802
00:34:54,875 --> 00:34:57,746
I like work myself up
into an anxious panic,
803
00:34:57,791 --> 00:35:00,576
and they turn the lights
on after the sleepover
804
00:35:00,619 --> 00:35:03,101
and I am covered
like neck to chest,
805
00:35:03,143 --> 00:35:04,405
arm to elbow,
806
00:35:04,449 --> 00:35:06,755
just covered in hives,
covered in hives.
807
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:07,757
I worked myself into them.
808
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,150
I can't stop itching.
809
00:35:09,193 --> 00:35:10,498
All of the girls
at the sleepover
810
00:35:10,543 --> 00:35:11,954
thought like something
horrible happened to me
811
00:35:11,978 --> 00:35:13,284
and I'm next.
812
00:35:13,327 --> 00:35:14,764
Or like, I'm just
weird and sick.
813
00:35:14,807 --> 00:35:16,001
And I'm just sitting
there itching.
814
00:35:16,025 --> 00:35:16,940
Like, I don't know.
815
00:35:16,983 --> 00:35:18,246
I kept thinking about the bees
816
00:35:18,289 --> 00:35:19,856
and now this is
what's happening.
817
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:21,771
So yeah, the first
time I saw "Candyman,"
818
00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:24,077
I worked myself up into
giving myself hives.
819
00:35:27,646 --> 00:35:28,603
Put it on the poster.
820
00:35:28,648 --> 00:35:31,476
It made me itchy.
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