1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,280 John Derek Worboys, I'm arresting you on suspicion 2 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,720 of six counts of sexual assault between 2005 and 2008. 3 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,680 They won't be asking you... to testify. 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,760 I wanted to look the bastard in the eye 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,600 and tell everybody what he did to me. 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,040 I wanted to have my moment in court. 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,760 Mr Worboys handed you a glass of something bubbly. 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,840 And you drank that, too. Because he forced me to. 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,560 He's like a professional conman. 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,800 You continue to constitute a significant risk of serious harm. 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,520 I therefore pass down on you 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,240 a minimum custodial term of eight years. 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,840 I-I was told that the Crown Prosecution Service 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,960 had looked at all the evidence. 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,400 No, I can tell you that the CPS 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,040 did not review the evidence in your case. 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,160 They lied to me. 18 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:58,560 Why didn't she flag, Dave? 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,840 Seems it wasn't ever recorded as a crime. 20 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,160 It was only logged as a crime-related incident. 21 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,360 You know, I've been looking into bringing a complaint 22 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,240 against the police for the way they treated us. 23 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,280 So, you're asking, do I wanna sue the police with you? 24 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,200 My advice would be to pursue this under the Human Rights Act. 25 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,400 The only problem is that it's never been done before. 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,480 Eight years did spook me a bit. Yeah, he's not getting out. 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,640 After eight years, he could apply for parole. 28 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,480 In order to do that, he'd first have to admit to what he's done. 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 So, this is where you'll be working. 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,800 Everybody, this is Carrie Simonds, 31 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,440 who's joining the Comms team today. 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,800 - Hey. Hi. - Hello. 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,479 Oh, it's actually Symonds. Oh, sorry. 34 00:01:47,479 --> 00:01:50,160 And this is Cherry, your new neighbour. 35 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,479 Hi. Hi. 36 00:01:51,479 --> 00:01:52,759 I'll leave you to it. 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,840 Carrie? Sorry. Yeah. 38 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,520 I hope you don't mind me bringing this up, 39 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,600 but... aren't you the girl who was a victim of that black cab guy? 40 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,120 The rapist. 41 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,079 Ooh, er... not sure about "victim", 42 00:02:25,079 --> 00:02:28,160 but, erm, yes, I did do some interviews about it. 43 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,800 I understand a lot of women came forward after that, 44 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:37,000 but... you have sort of put yourself out there now as, like, "that" girl. 45 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,760 Er, well, I... 46 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,480 I learnt a lot from that experience, 47 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,640 about how, you know, the media operates, so... 48 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,800 ..hopefully, I'm a bit savvier now. 49 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,520 So, I've printed you both a document 50 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,760 of all the materials we've received from the Met. 51 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,760 And as predicted, they were mightily pissed off 52 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,360 at having to hand it over, 53 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,800 and they even said that they had no desire, 54 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,520 in the current financial climate, "to spend disproportionate sums 55 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,760 "defending a claim that was many years out of date 56 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,800 "and, legally, had no prospect of success". 57 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,079 Well, they can fuck right off. 58 00:03:32,079 --> 00:03:34,320 Couldn't have said it any better myself. 59 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,920 OK, so, as predicted, the IPCC investigations 60 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,840 into both of your cases find the complaints are not substantiated, 61 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,880 and the most serious disciplinary action that they recommended 62 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,800 was a... a few written warnings. 63 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:53,040 What about telling me that the CPS had reviewed my case when it hadn't? 64 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:55,560 A "genuine mistake". 65 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,240 OK, and what about not telling me that they found the drugs 66 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,560 that he used to sedate me in my bloodstream? 67 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,680 They actually do find that largely substantiated, 68 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,920 but they... they do want to note that the investigating officer 69 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,160 at the time had, erm... a "heavy workload". 70 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,200 What? 71 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,560 We now know that they didn't search 72 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,360 Worboys' house when he was first arrested. 73 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:18,399 I was told that they did 74 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:21,600 and that they didn't find anything incriminating. 75 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,400 But, actually, the most incredible revelation 76 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,560 is of the CCTV footage of you leaving the club that night. 77 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:33,120 They said that there was no sign of me on the footage. 78 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,560 That's because they were looking at the wrong night - 79 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,159 the 27th, not the 26th. 80 00:04:38,159 --> 00:04:39,720 If they had the correct date, 81 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,320 they would have seen that you left the club at 2am, 82 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,400 and they would have known that Worboys was lying 83 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,560 when he said he picked you up at 3:50. 84 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,960 The initial investigation didn't even analyse 85 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,760 your mobile phone data, which would have confirmed 86 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,600 when you got into his cab and where he took you. 87 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,880 It's like a joke. 88 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,760 I'm guessing it doesn't get any funnier for me? 89 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,840 No. Almost all the allegations in your case, they say, are not proven. 90 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:06,800 You saying that you weren't believed - not proven. 91 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,880 Being told not to show emotion in your interview... 92 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,720 Well, DC Stephens even denies ever saying that to you, 93 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,800 so it's your word against his. 94 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,200 The only concession is that they agree that the guy living 95 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,880 in your old flat, Billy Houghton, should have been interviewed. 96 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,280 And to cap it all off, they've released a statement 97 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:27,640 saying that they have improved training and changed procedures 98 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,520 so that none of this will ever happen again. 99 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,440 It's what they always do. 100 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,800 So... what do we do? 101 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,960 Because, to be honest, this is only making me even more determined. 102 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,200 Yeah, same. 103 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,040 We need somebody who's going to take this on for us in court. 104 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,200 And I have somebody in mind. 105 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,840 A really top barrister. 106 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,720 I've met this... guy. 107 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:54,120 Tell me more. 108 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:59,720 It was an arranged thing. Erm, my mum insisted on it. 109 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,600 You know, I actually think she would have kicked me out onto the street 110 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,560 if I hadn't agreed to it. 111 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,440 What's his name? What's he like? He's... 112 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,360 ..quite nice, actually. 113 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,400 Arham. 114 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,640 You know, good Muslim boy. 115 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,120 He wore cream chinos. 116 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,840 Good-looking? 117 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,400 Not bad. 118 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:24,800 You gonna see him again? 119 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,840 Don't know. 120 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,200 I just keep thinking... 121 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,240 ..what's the point? 122 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,960 I haven't even told my family about what happened to me. 123 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,080 I certainly... 124 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,560 I couldn't tell him. 125 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,560 It's like... 126 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:53,360 I feel like.. 127 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:57,880 I feel like nobody would want me... 128 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:00,920 ..if they knew. 129 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,800 You know, at some point, you're gonna have to talk about it... 130 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,680 ..and not just with me. 131 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,960 You know, I tried that with Gav at first, 132 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,080 keeping it all buried, worrying about what he'd think of me. 133 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,320 It's exhausting. 134 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,840 You know, I couldn't do it any more. 135 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,440 I realised I had to come to terms with what happened to me, 136 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,200 and so I thought, "Fuck it, I'm gonna tell you, 137 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,720 "whether you wanna hear it or not, for my sake." 138 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,880 Mm. Gav's not perfect. 139 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,000 Sure he'd say I'm not easy to live with either, but... 140 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,960 But, to be fair, since I told him, he's been nothing but supportive. 141 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,440 So... maybe give Cream Chinos a chance. 142 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:53,920 Yeah. 143 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,920 You see, the problem I've got 144 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,640 with this programme you're talking about 145 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,480 is I would have to tell the truth. 146 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,760 I can't just sit here and tell you lies, sir. 147 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,360 The last thing we'd want in a treatment programme 148 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:07,480 is for you to lie. 149 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,760 No, it's... it's just not in me. 150 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,080 So, why don't we begin with you talking about the offences 151 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,440 for which you've been convicted? 152 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,840 Well, that's the problem, because I didn't do anything. 153 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,640 I'm an innocent man. 154 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:22,680 And that's your position? 155 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,640 As far as I'm concerned, any encounters were consensual. 156 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,880 It was all just a bit of harmless fun. 157 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,040 And as for drugging them? 158 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,080 Well, I mean, it's... that's complete nonsense. 159 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,760 See, I shouldn't be in here, and that's the truth. 160 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,200 I note you no longer call yourself John Worboys. 161 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,080 You now call yourself John Radford. Why is that? 162 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,680 It's very simple. 163 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,920 The name "Worboys" is dirt, innit? 164 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Because of what those women said about me, 165 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,640 because of their false accusations. 166 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,520 I can't even call myself by my own name any more. 167 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,400 How is that fair? 168 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,080 It's really late. 169 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,760 Why not give it a rest and pick it up again tomorrow, eh? 170 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,800 That police officer who first looked into my case, 171 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,200 DC Stephens, I kept asking him 172 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,840 to talk to Billy Houghton, the guy that lived in my old flat, 173 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,800 because he saw Worboys that night. 174 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,000 Stephens says here that I was 175 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,040 "reluctant" for him to talk to Billy. 176 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,640 What an arsehole! That's such absolute bollocks! 177 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,160 It says here he has never had any specialist training 178 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,040 for investigations into rape or sexual assault 179 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,400 and, in fact, no training at all since 1989. 180 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:47,560 Oh, God. 181 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,320 I'll see you in the morning. 182 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:54,760 Don't be too long. 183 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,200 Come! 184 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,600 Ladies, can I introduce you to Phillippa Kaufmann? 185 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:13,800 Phillippa, this is Sarah, and this is Laila. 186 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,560 - Very pleased to meet you. Welcome. - Hi. 187 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,080 Now, we're about to go in with the police's lawyers 188 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,120 for what's called a structured settlement discussion. 189 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,760 Basically, can we resolve this without going to court? 190 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,040 Is there a non-financial remedy we can explore, 191 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,200 such as a public apology to you? 192 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,520 Can I just ask, is that a possibility, 193 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:32,920 a public apology from them? 194 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,960 Not a cat's chance in hell, I'm afraid, but... 195 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:39,880 it may help our case later on if we can at least say we tried. 196 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,280 Right, ladies, follow me. 197 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:57,680 29 women were attacked by Worboys after he attacked me, 198 00:10:57,680 --> 00:10:59,480 before he was finally arrested. 199 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:02,520 29. 200 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,840 Those are all individual lives messed up that didn't need to be. 201 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,320 And those are just... erm, the women that we know about. 202 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:15,960 I mean, there are almost certainly more 203 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,280 who never reported what happened to them. 204 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,600 I was disbelieved and humiliated, 205 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,320 and I don't believe the police have sufficiently been held to account. 206 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,000 I think the impact of what the police did to me 207 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,240 was worse than the actual rape itself. 208 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:35,240 Like Laila, I continue to live with a sense of guilt 209 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:36,800 for all the women that came after me. 210 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,600 Even though I know it's not my fault... 211 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,120 ..I ask myself, could I have done more to stop him? 212 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,520 I'm shocked that you won't just admit liability. 213 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,480 The fact that you are fighting this 214 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,680 makes me feel like you still don't believe me. 215 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:00,080 The police's position is that, whilst we are, of course, 216 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,440 sympathetic to the undoubted trauma you have both suffered... 217 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:08,760 ..we do not admit any liability on the part of the Metropolitan Police. 218 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,960 We believe the investigation into the crimes of John Worboys 219 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,440 was reasonable, ultimately successful. 220 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,120 S... Successful? 221 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,920 It took you five years to work out these attacks were linked. 222 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,080 Year after year, he was left to roam the streets 223 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,520 and attack other women when he should have been locked up! 224 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,040 What we would like to do, however, is to invite you both to attend 225 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,240 a police training programme, present your experiences to the attendees. 226 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:41,120 The hope is that this would be educational 227 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,600 and beneficial to both sides. 228 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,360 Right, I think we're done here, ladies, Harriet. 229 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:50,520 Thank you. 230 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,640 Fucking training programme?! Shh. 231 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,200 OK, now you can talk. They've got two hopes of us talking 232 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,200 to this load of trainee policemen about what happened to us - 233 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,920 Bob Hope and no fucking hope, and you can tell them that from me. 234 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,480 What a patronising load of old bullshit. 235 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,520 Ladies, I think we're gonna get along just fine. 236 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,120 Where's DC Stephens? 237 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:48,520 It appears the Met are not going to call him to give evidence. What? 238 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,320 I suspect that they think he'll be so undermining to their case 239 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,120 that they want to keep him away at all costs. 240 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,680 Now, the problem is, if we call him, 241 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:57,240 we won't be able to cross-examine him 242 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,680 because, in cases like this, that's the rule. 243 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:03,000 So, he won't have to give an account of himself in court? 244 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:06,640 I'm sorry. 245 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,560 NBV told us that even after she'd been sick in the toilets, 246 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,240 she still carried on drinking. 247 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:27,600 Did this have, er, an impact on your assessment of NBV? 248 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,000 The CCTV footage of her falling over at the campus 249 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,880 was entirely consistent with the actions of someone 250 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,200 who had had too much to drink that night. 251 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,800 I thought the whole thing was odd. 252 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,360 I thought it was odd that an educated girl 253 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,920 would accept a drink from a stranger in those circumstances. 254 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,960 DSD told us she had taken some cocaine with her friends, 255 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,880 and this showed up subsequently in her blood tests. 256 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,160 Had she also drunk alcohol that evening 257 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,000 before getting into Worboys' cab? 258 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,600 Well, her friends told us they put her into the cab 259 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,600 after their night out because she was so out of it. 260 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,240 My conclusion was that DSD had not sustained 261 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,400 any specific psychiatric injury as a consequence of the rape. 262 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,160 She had, however, suffered a depressive episode 263 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,720 as a consequence of how she had been dealt with by the police. 264 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,240 Well, following the assault, NBV developed symptoms 265 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,400 of post-traumatic stress disorder, including nightmares, 266 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,800 intrusive imagery, flashbacks, 267 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,920 avoidance, anxiety and depression, 268 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,160 poor concentration and social withdrawal. 269 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,360 She still suffers from moderate to severe symptoms. 270 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,840 She can be tearful and experiences mood swings. 271 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,880 And she suffers from continuing sexual aversion 272 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,080 and a lack of sexual enjoyment. 273 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,720 Are you aware, Inspector Underwood, 274 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,280 of a guide which outlines the Met's standard operating procedures 275 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,800 for investigative techniques in rape and sexual assault cases? 276 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,320 I am aware of it, yes. 277 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,080 It lays out detailed steps and considerations to be followed, 278 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:17,320 from a starting point of treating the victim's account as truthful, 279 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:18,400 does it not? 280 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:20,720 I don't know. 281 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:23,960 Why not, may I ask? 282 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,080 I just can't recall it in any detail. 283 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,120 As a member of one of the Met's Sapphire teams, 284 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,360 which are specialist rape and sexual assault investigation units, 285 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,800 I find that quite an extraordinary thing for you to say. 286 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,840 Well, in my opinion, it's not something I consider practical 287 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,880 to apply to each and every case. 288 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:44,960 To this case? 289 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,920 I think these policies are fine in theory... 290 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,560 but they're not always applicable to day-to-day policing. 291 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,240 Then why have they been set out by the Met as their guidelines? 292 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,200 I think they have been created purely 293 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,640 to protect the police from legal challenges. 294 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,839 If a case is not classified as a serious sexual assault, 295 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:11,319 then details of the investigation are not entered 296 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:14,040 into the Criminal Intelligence Computer Database, are they? 297 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,720 No. Meaning no closing report would need to be done, would it? 298 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,760 No. Is that a good thing? 299 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,240 Honestly? 300 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,119 An opportunity to not have to do one would be taken gladly. 301 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,440 Was there a drive from your superiors at Borough Management 302 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,520 to disprove allegations of rape and sexual assault? 303 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,560 Yes. Why was that? 304 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,320 Because if an allegation can be legally disproved, 305 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,320 then it would improve detection rates. 306 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,680 So junior officers were effectively encouraged 307 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,240 not to pursue allegations of rape and sexual assault 308 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,280 and instead to focus on other crimes such as burglary, 309 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,600 which were easier to clear up. Is that right? 310 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:58,840 Broadly speaking, yes. 311 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:04,440 Coming now, DC Coldham, specifically to the case NBV. 312 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,240 Even though her case bore all the hallmarks 313 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,080 of a drug-facilitated sexual assault, 314 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,360 she was not treated as such, was she? 315 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:12,160 Personally, I believed her account. 316 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,200 But I knew there was no prospect of the case being reopened 317 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,760 once the forensic and toxicology results had come back 318 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:18,960 as inconclusive. 319 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,600 Even though there were still many important leads 320 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:22,720 still to be followed up? 321 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,920 Yes. So, under pressure from on high, 322 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,040 her case was not recorded as a serious sexual assault, 323 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,840 supervision from more senior officers did not occur, 324 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,120 and her case was not entered into the data bases? 325 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:36,200 No. 326 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,920 And the case was cleared up in three months. 327 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,280 No case closure report, 328 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,560 no detailed report entered into the system. 329 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,560 And the Borough's clear-up rate was thereby improved 330 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,400 since the case was not left as unsolved. 331 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,880 Like I say, that... that was the situation at the time. 332 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,120 Thanks. I can't believe you're still waiting on a judgment. 333 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:08,840 This one'll be born before we hear. 334 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,120 So, how's life, then? 335 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:14,080 I'll be honest, things are not great with Gav. 336 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,640 Hm? It's me. It's... 337 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,040 I push him away, I know I do. 338 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,480 I just find it so hard to really... 339 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,080 let go emotionally, you know. 340 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,360 He's always been pretty understanding, hasn't he? 341 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:28,440 Yeah, and he still is. 342 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,240 Sex is shit. 343 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,360 I hate being naked. 344 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,600 I actually hate opening my fucking legs, to be honest with you. 345 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,640 Must be like going to bed with a slab of marble. 346 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,320 At least he got you pregnant. 347 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,400 Yeah, I got a bit drunk that night, which helped. 348 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,920 Let's just say it wasn't entirely planned. 349 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,040 ♪ Stand up 350 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,880 ♪ Stand up for Jesus 351 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,920 ♪ The strife will not be long 352 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,320 ♪ This day, the noise of battle 353 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,560 ♪ The next, the victor's song 354 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,840 ♪ To Him who over-cometh 355 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,520 ♪ A crown of life shall be 356 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,480 ♪ He with the King of glory 357 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:30,200 ♪ Shall reign eternally. ♪ 358 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,000 Let us pray. 359 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:39,040 Lord, comfort and heal all those who suffer in body, mind or spirit. 360 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,280 Give them courage and hope in their troubles, 361 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,680 and bring them joy and salvation. 362 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,360 - In your mercy... - Lord, hear our prayer. 363 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:51,200 That those who face difficult times will find the strength to prevail. 364 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,320 In your mercy... 365 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,800 Lord, hear our prayer. Lord, hear our prayer. 366 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,160 For the grace this week, 367 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,280 to live by faith in every circumstance of life. 368 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,120 In your mercy... 369 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:03,600 Lord, hear our prayer. Lord, hear our prayer. 370 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,080 Hello? Hello, Sarah? 371 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,960 'Hi.' Hey. What's happening? 372 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,560 I just got off the phone to Harriet. 373 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,920 The judge said there was clear evidence 374 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,040 that I had suffered... significant harm 375 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,120 over a long period, and with you... 376 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:27,920 but for the failures of the police, you wouldn't have been raped at all. 377 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,120 'We won.' No way. 378 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:34,240 We won! 379 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,920 They've awarded me 22 grand, and you 19. 380 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,640 Fuck! 381 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,600 'I'm, like, I'm...' 382 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,400 I can't... I'm... 383 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,120 Harriet said she's sure they'll appeal, but, erm... 384 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,760 we should enjoy today. 385 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,120 I'm glad you picked up. 386 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:59,160 So, tell me, did he ask the question? 387 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,280 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I said yeah! 388 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,240 Laila, I'm so happy for you. 389 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,560 Yeah, Mum and Dad are throwing us a party, it's... 390 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,280 Right, well, go and enjoy it, lovely. 391 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,160 'We'll go for a coffee soon.' Yeah. 392 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,000 Yeah, and I can meet your new baby. 'Yeah.' 393 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,800 All right, I'll... I'll see you soon, yeah? 394 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,040 'OK. See you soon.' 395 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,920 There you are. 396 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,360 You OK? 397 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,560 Yeah. 398 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,080 They're happy tears. 399 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,960 They're all waiting in the garden. 400 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,080 OK. 401 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,440 Just one sec. Mm-hm. 402 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,480 Welcome, son. Thank you so much. 403 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,560 Thank you. Thank you. 404 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,960 You! Oh! 405 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,680 Stop. I love you. 406 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,880 Love you too. 407 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,680 This is crazy! Gonna make me cry now. 408 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,000 Stop! You're so silly! 409 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,600 I'm so happy for you! 410 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,800 I am Dr Craissati, 411 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,840 a consultant clinical and forensic psychologist, 412 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,520 and I'm here, Mr Radford, to review your progress. 413 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:52,640 OK. 414 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,920 Well, I told the other psychologist that I met recently that... 415 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,040 ..the time had come for me to change my stance. 416 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:09,680 I've withdrawn my application 417 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,440 with the Criminal Cases Review Commission 418 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,680 to overturn my convictions, 419 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,560 and I've decided to accept full responsibility for all my offences. 420 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:22,280 Can I ask what has brought about this change of heart? 421 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:24,640 Him. 422 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,960 Up there. 423 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,080 The Lord Jesus Christ. He has shown me the way. 424 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,400 I felt so guilty, I didn't know who to speak to. 425 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,080 And then... then I found religion, 426 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,840 and I decided that, you know, if I'm gonna follow the Lord, 427 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,200 I've got to be honest and admit to what I've done. 428 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,520 Let's talk about what happened. 429 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,520 I always felt guilty about my offences. 430 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,360 Yeah, but to begin with, I maintained some hope 431 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,320 that my convictions would be overturned, 432 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:12,560 and I might be released. 433 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,640 But I can see now that this is unrealistic, and so... 434 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,040 I've decided to use this as a motivation for me 435 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,680 to take responsibility for what I've done. 436 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,040 To let these women know how sorry I am. 437 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,360 And to be honest, you know... 438 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,200 ..and talk about everything. 439 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,880 I hope that they will be OK 440 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,640 and get on with their lives, I really do. 441 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,560 I'm sorry, can I get a tissue? 442 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:00,440 Sorry. 443 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,920 Do you think you're ready to start 444 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,600 the Sexual Offenders Treatment Programme? 445 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,720 That's what He's telling me. 446 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:16,960 I'm sorry. 447 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,400 Here they are. 448 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,040 As-salamu alaikum, beta. 449 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,000 Wa-alaikumu as-salam. 450 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:31,560 How are you both? 451 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,560 Not getting much sleep, but, yeah, we're good. 452 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,760 I'll go and make some tea. 453 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,880 Ssh, ssh. 454 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,640 House is looking smart. 455 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,680 Would you like to hold her? Oh, can I? 456 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,200 Shh, tch-tch-tch-tch. 457 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,760 She's so beautiful. 458 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,240 You know, I only ever wanted the best for you. 459 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,240 Hm? You know that? 460 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,800 Yeah. I know. 461 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,440 Arham is a good man. 462 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,800 Yeah. 463 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,960 He is. 464 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:52,000 You got knocked back, then, on your parole? 465 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,720 I've told them about finding God. 466 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,320 No, I've put my hands up to it all, 467 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,800 told 'em how remorseful I am. 468 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,560 That'll only get you so far, mate. 469 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,600 In my experience, you... you need to give them a reason. 470 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,600 What do you mean? 471 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,520 A reason why you started doing what you were doing in the first place. 472 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,040 If you can't do that, 473 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,640 they're never gonna believe that you know how to stop. 474 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,560 She was an old girlfriend, you know. I don't really wanna talk about her. 475 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,480 I mean, can I? 476 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,880 You know, talk about someone completely innocent? 477 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,280 Whoever this person is, 478 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,960 they can be anonymised in any reports. 479 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,680 Well, she left me. 480 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,600 When was this? 481 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,440 Well, it's about, er, summer time, 2005. 482 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,720 And I was really cut up about it. 483 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,800 You know, and then we were sort of on-off, and... 484 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,720 And then I remember, about a year later, 485 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,560 she phoned me and asked me to come pick her up 486 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,680 and take her back to mine, and I-I was excited about this. 487 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,320 But when I got to this bar, she was absolutely hammered. 488 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,960 Totally drunk. 489 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,640 All I could do was take her home to her mum's, 490 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,520 and I was on my own again. 491 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,400 Absolutely furious. 492 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,800 That night, I went looking for someone. 493 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,720 That would have been the first one. 494 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,600 That was around... 495 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,000 September-October, 2006. 496 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,960 And then it just grew from there. 497 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,240 The truth was, I only gave them half a tablet 498 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,200 because I didn't wanna do 'em too much harm. 499 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,680 And then when they were out of it, I'd just... 500 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,240 ..touch their leg or look up their skirt as I sort of... 501 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,000 ..played with myself. 502 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,640 I only actually put my penis inside one of 'em. 503 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,440 That's all. For maybe... 504 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,960 ..four seconds. 505 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,000 I mean, I don't blame her, my ex, 506 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,680 you know, I-I take full responsibility for my actions. 507 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,960 But I can see now that that was the trigger. 508 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,720 Do you want cereal or toast? Er... 509 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,320 Toast, please. 510 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,680 There you go. You take that. 511 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,080 Jack, can you take over a sec? 512 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,240 'It can't be true. It's the same as before.' 513 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,000 We just find out about it from the telly. 514 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,720 They all said, they were confident he wouldn't get out of prison. 515 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,360 It's bullshit! 516 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,000 It's just more fucking bullshit. 517 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,800 For God's sake, he's attacked over a hundred women. I... 518 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,280 How can anyone think it's safe to let him back out on the streets? 519 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,480 Because we are not allowed to know the reasoning, 520 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,000 the biggest problem we have 521 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,640 is trying to understand why they approved this. 522 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,480 Cos they live on Mars? 523 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,280 But why weren't we even consulted? 524 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,280 Because the system doesn't take into account 525 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,880 the views of the victim. 526 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,320 When these things are decided, 527 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,280 the criminal gets a place at the table, 528 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,320 the Parole Board, the Ministry of Justice do too, 529 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,680 but the views of the victim are not even considered. 530 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,200 So we just have to stand by and watch whilst they let him out? 531 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,240 Well, no, we have to bring pressure on David Gauke, 532 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,760 the Justice Secretary, 533 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,360 and get him to order a judicial review of the decision 534 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,520 on the grounds that it was legally irrational 535 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,960 to release Worboys. 536 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,720 And we have to move fast. 537 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,200 One thing we have been able to find out is that... 538 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,200 as late as 2015, he was denied transfer 539 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,560 from a high-security prison to a lower-security open prison 540 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,720 on the grounds that he posed an unacceptable risk. 541 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,480 Yet two years later, they're saying he's suitable for parole? 542 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,440 That sounds pretty irrational to me. 543 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,920 The thought of him being released in just a few weeks is... 544 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,160 It-It's terrifying. 545 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,840 Listen to me. 546 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,960 We are going to fight to stop that from happening. 547 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,840 We are gonna scrap, and we are gonna fight. 548 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,200 I've gotta go. 549 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,800 Laila... No, it... They'll be wondering where I am. 550 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,720 I'll go after her, make sure she's all right. 551 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,760 But this is a fucking disgrace. 552 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,320 You know, I've heard there's a lot of people who are very unhappy 553 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,600 with today's decision. 554 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,640 Whispers that Labour and the Lib Dems might even call 555 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,480 for an inquiry. 556 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,800 Well, that will certainly shove it under David Gauke's hooter. 557 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,280 We need to keep it there. 558 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,760 We need to make a lot of noise, and quickly. 559 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,440 Well, I had a very interesting phone call 560 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,080 from Carrie Symonds this afternoon. 561 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,600 She gave evidence at the original trial? 562 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,160 Yes, I remember her. 563 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,200 Well, now she works for the Conservative Party press office. 564 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,000 And she phoned to say how angry she was and to... 565 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,680 offer her services. Oh, yeah? 566 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,360 Yeah, so I think she'd be very useful in lobbying David Gauke. 567 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,640 Worboys never once showed remorse. 568 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,680 He described his behaviour as banter, 569 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,440 and insisted that the women accusing him of rape, 570 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,760 who took to the stand in tears, shattered by the experience, 571 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,080 had in fact wanted to have sex with him. 572 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,440 The decision to free him was made a few months ago 573 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,719 by a Parole Board panel. 574 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,199 'We don't know who made up this panel, 575 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,440 'and we don't know how and why they came to this decision.' 576 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,679 Hi, David! Er, just two minutes once you're done. Please. 577 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,920 I'll catch you up. Right. 578 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,320 I just wondered if you might want 579 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,199 to read this op-ed piece that I've written. 580 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,960 What's it about? The Worboys Parole Board decision. 581 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,000 You know that decision was based on the reports 582 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,600 from several psychologists? 583 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,600 I think he's pulled the wool over their eyes. 584 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,480 You might not know this, but as a young woman, 585 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,120 I was drugged by him in the back of his taxi. 586 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,000 And I just thought, full disclosure, 587 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,080 as Justice Secretary, you should know what I've said here. 588 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,240 OK, I'll have a read. Thank you. 589 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,400 Moving down to Belmarsh, then, John? 590 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,760 Not long to go now, is it? 591 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,840 And from there... 592 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,720 ..by the grace of God... 593 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,040 ..I'll be released. 594 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,480 A free man. 595 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,000 Speech, Carrie! 596 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,800 I would just like to say that I was just as surprised 597 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,200 as you all probably were when I was asked to take this job on, 598 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,960 but I was pleasantly surprised. 599 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,080 I promise to give it my all. Thank you. 600 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,680 Congratulations. Youngest-ever Head of Comms. 601 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,720 You've done so well. Thank you. 602 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,000 I do have just a... a small fly I must put in the ointment, though. 603 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,880 David Gauke told me that the MoJ will not be pursuing 604 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,160 a judicial review 605 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,640 of that Parole Board decision on John Worboys. What?! 606 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,280 Why not? He said something about "legal advice". 607 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,680 But then he's gonna get out! Fuck! Shit! Carrie. 608 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:28,080 I'm telling you this as a friend, OK? 609 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,960 But people have been saying you've been a bit distracted lately. 610 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,360 Well, then, they can mind their own business. Come on. 611 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,560 I'm just saying, 612 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,840 don't let this stuff get in the way of what's really important, OK? 613 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,720 And why you're actually here. 614 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,880 Your career is taking off, Carrie. 615 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,600 Don't blow it now. 616 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,960 I really thought David fucking Gauke would get behind us. 617 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,440 This is so disappointing. 618 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,720 My guess is he's looked at all of this, and he's thinking 619 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,400 his department doesn't come out of it smelling of roses. 620 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,480 So, what can we do now? 621 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,920 We can push for a review of the decision 622 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,560 on behalf of Sarah and Laila. 623 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,760 Can we do that? 624 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,360 I'm not sure private individuals will have the legal standing, 625 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,240 but we can certainly give it a try. 626 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:09,800 Money is going to be a problem, though. 627 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,880 The rules have changed since the human rights case. 628 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,880 It's now no longer possible to take out insurance against losing. 629 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,720 Meaning that Sarah and Laila would be personally responsible 630 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:19,800 for the Parole Board's legal costs if we lost? 631 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,680 Precisely. We need to raise money fast. 632 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,640 But by going against the government, you could be risking your career. 633 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,600 I'm on it! 634 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,160 Yes, it is a letter that I've been asking London MPs to sign, 635 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,520 a lot of them already have, 636 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,320 protesting against the Parole Board's decision. 637 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,880 The women he attacked are fighting to have his parole overturned, 638 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,240 and maybe this is something 639 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,320 that your paper could take a more detailed look at. 640 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,400 And, hey, if you do decide to print, 641 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,880 don't forget to include the details of the CrowdJustice link 642 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,160 at the bottom of your story. 643 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,760 'OK, well, I'll talk to my editor, and we'll keep in touch. All right?' 644 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,280 We're still being contacted by women 645 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,240 who say that they are victims of Worboys. 646 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:01,960 In the last few days, I spoke to a woman in Bournemouth, 647 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,560 who's convinced that eventually more victims will come forward 648 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,600 from that area because he also drove his cab down there. 649 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,720 How about the appeal for donations to help with the legal support? 650 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:14,480 Well, we've been completely overwhelmed by the level of support 651 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,960 that we've received since opening our CrowdJustice page. 652 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,520 The donations have been pouring in, 653 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,320 for which we are incredibly grateful. 654 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,520 Rehabilitated? 655 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,760 He denied everything until nine months before 656 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,440 the first time he could apply for parole. 657 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,040 Hm, and then he found God. 658 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,560 Right. Conveniently. 659 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,760 Just in time for parole, he saw the light. 660 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,280 Only gave half a Temazepam. 661 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,720 Says he only raped one woman! 662 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:54,880 Penis inside vagina for four seconds! 663 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,840 Wait a minute. Yes, here. 664 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,080 Says, "He only started offending in 2006 665 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,480 "after the break-up with his girlfriend." 666 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,800 Yes I've just seen that. Oh, thank you, Lord. 667 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,400 Come on, you two. Mummy's running late. 668 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,120 I want you to be really good for Connor, OK? 669 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,000 Right, ring the bell. Wait there. OK. 670 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,240 OK. 671 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,760 Oh, there he is. It's exciting. 672 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,000 - Right, be good. - All right, guys. 673 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,280 Go on, run up, there's cakes up there. Bye! 674 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:46,760 Thanks so much for doing this. It's all right. 675 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,880 I knew it would happen on half-term. Jack's with his mates, so... 676 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,800 It's, not a problem. You know I'm happy to help. 677 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,800 How's things at home? Erm... not great. 678 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,920 Er, Gav's actually moved out now, so... 679 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,760 OK. I'm sorry to hear. 680 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,160 Anyway, I'd better get going, otherwise I'll be late, 681 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,560 but thanks again. OK. 682 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,720 I'll see you later. 683 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,080 All right, good luck! 684 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,600 'Hi.' Hi. I'm running late. 685 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,080 Are you nearly there yet? 686 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,960 I'm sorry, I... I didn't get on the train. 687 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,800 I'm not coming down. I just.. 688 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,560 'I suddenly thought... the idea of seeing him again... 689 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,800 'I just can't do it.' Yeah. 690 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,000 'I don't know how you can face going back to that horrible time, Sarah.' 691 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,840 Because I wanna have my moment in court with him today. 692 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,800 'Sorry. I know I'm letting you down.' 693 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,200 No, you're not. 694 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,520 'Listen, if that's what you wanna do, 695 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,000 'what you need to do, fuck it. 696 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,840 'Fuck them. Whatever works.' 697 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,240 I am sorry. Stop apologising, OK? 698 00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:59,440 'Listen, I'm gonna have to go, otherwise I'll be late. 699 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,200 But, erm, I'll let you know how it goes, OK? 700 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,800 'OK. Thank you.' OK. Bye. Bye-bye. 701 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,280 Shit. 702 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,720 Erm, Royal Courts of Justice, please. 703 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:55,280 Thank you. 704 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,160 My Lords, this is a unique case, 705 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,400 in which someone who has been granted his freedom 706 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,160 has then had it taken away from him. 707 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:17,680 If ever there was a case for the use of the judicial review jurisdiction 708 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,560 to be exercised with the greatest care 709 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,520 and anxious scrutiny... 710 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,400 this is that case. 711 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,640 We see that Mr Worboys has been seriously minimising the nature 712 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,560 and extent of his offending 713 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,760 and has been dishonestly manufacturing his explanation. 714 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,960 Furthermore, we say the Board has failed 715 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,120 to take into account critical evidence, 716 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,320 evidence which it was not in its discretion to ignore. 717 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,360 Evidence which, if it was going to reach a lawful decision, 718 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,320 it HAD to take into account. 719 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,560 In the notes of the sessions, attended with the psychologists, 720 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,880 Mr Worboys admits responsibility 721 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,080 only for those offences for which he was convicted. 722 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,080 A total of 19 offences 723 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,800 carefully selected by the Crown Prosecution Service, 724 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,760 as you can see from their statement, 725 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,280 so as to not overload the indictment. 726 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,200 These offences were against a total of 12 women, 727 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,920 and Worboys says 728 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:30,680 his offending began in September-October 2006. 729 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,200 But let's look, then, at what evidence is out there, 730 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,880 because that evidence paints a very, very different picture 731 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,400 to the one presented by Mr Worboys to the Parole Board. 732 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,160 The police's conclusion, having investigated all of the offences 733 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,120 that resulted in the charges brought against Mr Worboys, 734 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:57,080 is that he committed offences against a total of 105 women. 735 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,800 We submit this is very powerful evidence 736 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,560 that Mr Worboys' offending was more extensive 737 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,440 than anything he has admitted. 738 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,280 And, crucially, 739 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,640 we can see from the evidence given to the police by the witness DSD, 740 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,600 we can see that his offending went back to, 741 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,800 at the very least... 742 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,040 May 2003. 743 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,320 That is more than three years before the date 744 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,520 he says is when he began offending, 745 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,560 which blows out of the water the Parole Board's assessment 746 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,600 that he has taken full responsibility 747 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,920 for his offences, 748 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,640 or that he has been open and honest in his account. 749 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,520 Happy birthday! 750 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,760 Mama! 751 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,600 Look at that! 752 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,880 You OK? 753 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,200 There's something I've gotta tell you.