1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,160 mk2 Movies 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,000 Produced by Guardian Documentaries in collaboration with JW Films. 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,000 In collaboration with Placeholder Films, Unseen Hand and mk2. 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:22,000 I am 5 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,400 People interviewed for this film testified on condition of anonymity. 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,000 Their appearance and voice have been changed digitally to hide their identity. 7 00:00:54,700 --> 00:00:58,240 Hello, today we are going to take a lesson on the Arabic verb. 8 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:05,060 An ultra-bureaucratic program. 9 00:01:05,060 --> 00:01:05,999 Do you work on a computer? 10 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:12,780 Yes. We follow training to be able to participate in the attacks. 11 00:01:12,780 --> 00:01:19,580 All right. A system that contains everything: 12 00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:21,860 Air Force attack targets. 13 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,360 Is there a building in Gaza what were you planning to target? 14 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,700 I obviously participated in the planning buildings that collapsed. 15 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:41,600 Do you remember how many? 16 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:45,100 No. 17 00:02:07,050 --> 00:02:08,970 Do you know I'm doing this right now? 18 00:02:09,210 --> 00:02:10,210 I try… 19 00:02:11,290 --> 00:02:16,790 If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them. 20 00:02:18,450 --> 00:02:23,510 I can't think of a more isolated place than a roof. Yes. 21 00:02:25,810 --> 00:02:29,470 We see the city, but the city doesn't see us, and in a way... 22 00:02:43,630 --> 00:02:44,670 we are in front of a screen. 23 00:02:49,310 --> 00:02:55,350 There, you see, there are other buildings nearby, and here is the one to attack. 24 00:02:56,410 --> 00:02:59,350 First, we obtain in particular the dimensions of the building. 25 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:05,770 This building will be 20 meters high. Well, actually, it's 15. 26 00:03:06,470 --> 00:03:08,790 They also seek to know how many floors the building has. 27 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,020 How do they know? Usually, thanks to the windows. 28 00:03:12,820 --> 00:03:17,480 We also confirm this with the height. A floor in Gaza is generally about three 29 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,480 meters. 30 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:19,960 For example: 31 00:03:22,420 --> 00:03:27,360 we spot a Hamas member on the sixth floor, okay? 32 00:03:27,580 --> 00:03:28,580 He is involved. 33 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:35,760 But if the information on this floor indicate the presence of four civilians, the Naza of the attack is 34 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:36,760 four. 35 00:03:37,340 --> 00:03:39,020 Naza four. 36 00:03:43,980 --> 00:03:44,939 What is Naza? 37 00:03:44,940 --> 00:03:50,420 Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack, 38 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,200 following the attack. 39 00:03:52,940 --> 00:03:54,200 It says: Naza 15. 40 00:03:54,740 --> 00:04:01,040 It doesn't say that 15 people will die, It doesn't even say they're going to die. 41 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,020 Fifteen children and women. We just say “Naza 15”. 42 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:13,160 Do you know the Naza figures? 43 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:17,200 I don't remember it anymore. 44 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,880 Do you know anyone who does? 45 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,120 Talk to me, please, because I really want to understand. 46 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:34,900 Yes, and I have the impression that it is not in the mood to talk about it 47 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:35,900 with you. 48 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,680 I'm trying to understand too... Oh. 49 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,500 In Naza jargon, is there a difference, for example, between children, infants and men? 50 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,440 No. 51 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:00,420 Is a child Naza? 52 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:01,800 I try… 53 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:03,560 I try… 54 00:05:04,060 --> 00:05:06,520 I've never had to deal with this. 55 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,340 What is the highest number you can remember? for a single attack? 56 00:05:12,060 --> 00:05:18,940 I can't say how many died, no one does not confirm this. But we have already authorized 57 00:05:18,940 --> 00:05:19,940 500 deaths, for example, for... 58 00:05:23,660 --> 00:05:24,740 ...only one person. 59 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,660 Five hundred is a bit like... one small town in Israel. 60 00:05:32,260 --> 00:05:33,260 I try… 61 00:05:36,780 --> 00:05:38,700 We always said it was a video game. 62 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:44,220 - Serious ? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game. 63 00:05:44,220 --> 00:05:45,220 Everything is done remotely. 64 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,220 I remember attacks at Naza 200. 65 00:06:04,780 --> 00:06:11,760 An elderly civilian: we don't know exactly where he is. Where it is suspected, 66 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:18,540 we bomb, every day, in a powerful flash. 67 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:26,540 Let's say: a man here, a building there, we attack everything. A whole neighborhood. 68 00:06:48,590 --> 00:06:54,530 At some point, anyone in Lavender could be targeted with a Naza of 20. 69 00:06:55,070 --> 00:06:57,230 Naza 20. Naza 20. 70 00:06:57,690 --> 00:07:04,350 The Naza 20 suddenly became the standard. And we eliminate very low-level Hamas members. 71 00:07:04,350 --> 00:07:06,870 Very easy trigger, by carrying out orders. 72 00:07:07,630 --> 00:07:14,090 But when we allow 20 deaths for each subordinate agent, and there are lots of them, 73 00:07:14,090 --> 00:07:16,430 and there are many... it affects all of Gaza. Yes. 74 00:07:21,750 --> 00:07:27,150 All right. I still don't know myself what to do with all this. 75 00:07:28,030 --> 00:07:29,070 Yes, that's it. 76 00:07:29,970 --> 00:07:36,350 In fact, this is also why I couldn't stay there anymore at some point. 77 00:07:36,350 --> 00:07:40,750 At one point, I couldn't stay any longer, I couldn't be part of it anymore. 78 00:07:43,090 --> 00:07:46,470 - But you were part of it. - Yes. 79 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:09,300 Citizens of Israel, we have crushed the enemy under immense aerial bombardment. 80 00:08:09,540 --> 00:08:14,300 It will be the victory of good over evil, light over darkness. 81 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:21,750 During the training, we saw a film about it. It was called “Eye in the Sky.” 82 00:08:23,110 --> 00:08:26,490 That's the attack, and that was my role. 83 00:08:31,690 --> 00:08:36,250 They do everything to convince them that there is a moral dimension to all of this. 84 00:08:36,250 --> 00:08:56,010 I told myself that too. 85 00:08:56,010 --> 00:08:59,930 There are cases where they hit someone and see that he is injured, but still alive. 86 00:09:00,970 --> 00:09:03,730 So, more often than not, they throw it at him another. 87 00:09:06,830 --> 00:09:10,390 I don't know if I've ever been happy to have killed someone. 88 00:09:13,430 --> 00:09:16,050 In my unit, there are not many of people who hate Arabs. 89 00:09:16,410 --> 00:09:22,010 Honestly, it's an elite unit, especially full of people from Tel Aviv... 90 00:09:22,010 --> 00:09:28,410 There aren't many people there who hate Arabs. 91 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:35,600 - Crazy dehumanization. - But the people you describe, 92 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:42,420 We interviewed someone, and you said they don't hate the Arabs. However, in my opinion, they killed more 93 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,040 the last two years. 94 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,240 Yes, I... 95 00:10:00,170 --> 00:10:06,350 What I mean is that it's all in the accomplishment of the mission. The mission is everything. 96 00:10:19,500 --> 00:10:24,700 The main military headquarters of Israel is in the heart of Tel Aviv. 97 00:10:45,740 --> 00:10:49,260 Hello, today we are going to take a lesson on the Arabic verb. 98 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:53,920 An ultra-bureaucratic program. 99 00:10:55,020 --> 00:10:56,720 Do you work on a computer? 100 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,040 I try… 101 00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:04,780 We follow training to be able to participate in the attacks. 102 00:11:05,340 --> 00:11:12,200 All right. A system that contains all attack targets 103 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,200 the air force. 104 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:16,370 Is there a building in Gaza what were you planning to target? 105 00:11:25,550 --> 00:11:30,730 I obviously participated in the planning buildings that collapsed. 106 00:11:31,610 --> 00:11:32,610 How much could you say? 107 00:11:34,970 --> 00:11:35,970 No. 108 00:11:58,060 --> 00:11:59,980 Do you know I'm doing this right now? 109 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,240 I try… 110 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:07,820 If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them. 111 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:14,520 I can't think of a more isolated place than a roof. Yes. 112 00:12:16,820 --> 00:12:20,380 We see the city, but the city doesn't see us, and in a way... 113 00:12:34,670 --> 00:12:35,690 we are in front of a screen. 114 00:12:40,330 --> 00:12:46,370 Look: there are other buildings nearby, and here is the one to attack. 115 00:12:47,410 --> 00:12:50,370 First, we obtain in particular the dimensions of the building. 116 00:12:51,930 --> 00:12:56,790 This building will be 20 meters high. Well, actually, it's 15. 117 00:12:57,450 --> 00:12:59,810 They also seek to know how many floors the building has. 118 00:13:00,620 --> 00:13:03,020 How do they know? Usually, thanks to the windows. 119 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:08,640 We also confirm this with the height. A floor in Gaza is generally around three meters. 120 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,040 For example... 121 00:13:13,540 --> 00:13:18,380 we spot a Hamas member on the sixth floor, okay? 122 00:13:18,660 --> 00:13:19,660 He is involved. 123 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:26,780 But if the information on this floor indicate the presence of four civilians, the Naza of the attack is 124 00:13:26,780 --> 00:13:27,780 four. 125 00:13:28,420 --> 00:13:30,020 Naza four. 126 00:13:35,020 --> 00:13:36,020 What is Naza? 127 00:13:36,060 --> 00:13:41,440 Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die here, in the attack, 128 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,220 following the attack. 129 00:13:44,060 --> 00:13:45,220 It says: Naza 15. 130 00:13:45,860 --> 00:13:52,040 It doesn't say that 15 people will die, It doesn't even say they're going to die. 131 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,040 Fifteen children and women. We just say “Naza 15”. 132 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,500 Do you know the Naza figures? 133 00:14:06,490 --> 00:14:08,250 I don't remember it anymore. 134 00:14:08,830 --> 00:14:10,890 Do you know anyone who does? 135 00:14:11,670 --> 00:14:14,130 So talk to me, because I really want to understand. 136 00:14:19,010 --> 00:14:26,010 Yes, and I have the impression that it is not in the mood to talk about it 137 00:14:26,010 --> 00:14:26,949 with you. 138 00:14:26,950 --> 00:14:28,710 I'm trying to understand too. 139 00:14:43,050 --> 00:14:48,230 In Naza jargon, is there a difference, for example, between children, infants and men? 140 00:14:48,490 --> 00:14:49,490 No. 141 00:14:50,270 --> 00:14:51,410 Is a child Naza? 142 00:14:51,710 --> 00:14:52,710 Yes yes. 143 00:14:53,550 --> 00:14:54,550 No. 144 00:14:55,050 --> 00:14:57,510 I've never had to deal with this. 145 00:14:58,750 --> 00:15:01,310 What is the highest number you can remember? for a single attack? 146 00:15:03,050 --> 00:15:09,930 I can't say how many died, no one does not confirm this. But we have already authorized 147 00:15:09,930 --> 00:15:10,930 500 deaths, for example, for... 148 00:15:14,670 --> 00:15:15,770 ...only one person. 149 00:15:18,690 --> 00:15:22,650 Five hundred is a bit like... one small town in Israel. 150 00:15:23,290 --> 00:15:24,290 I try… 151 00:15:27,810 --> 00:15:29,710 We always said it was a video game. 152 00:15:30,110 --> 00:15:35,190 - Serious ? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game. 153 00:15:35,190 --> 00:15:36,190 Everything is done remotely. 154 00:15:49,930 --> 00:15:53,210 I remember attacks at Naza 200. 155 00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:59,070 An elderly civilian: we don't know exactly where he is. 156 00:15:59,290 --> 00:16:06,030 Wherever one suspects he goes every day, we blow everything up. 157 00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:09,510 In a powerful flash. 158 00:16:11,570 --> 00:16:17,530 Let's say: a man here, a building there, we attack everything. A whole neighborhood. 159 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:45,540 At some point, anyone in Lavender could be targeted with a Naza of 20. 160 00:16:46,060 --> 00:16:47,100 Naza 20. 161 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:48,320 Naza 20. 162 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:55,340 The Naza 20 suddenly became the standard. And we eliminate very low-level Hamas members. 163 00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:57,860 Very easy trigger, by carrying out orders. 164 00:16:58,660 --> 00:17:04,800 But when we allow 20 deaths for each subordinate agent, and there are lots of them, 165 00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:07,440 There are many... it affects all of Gaza. 166 00:17:12,819 --> 00:17:18,140 All right. I still don't know myself what to do with all this. 167 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:27,619 In fact, this is also why I couldn't stay there anymore at some point. 168 00:17:27,619 --> 00:17:31,760 I couldn't stay there, I couldn't be part of it anymore. 169 00:17:34,140 --> 00:17:35,140 Well, I participated in it. 170 00:17:35,340 --> 00:17:37,460 - How so ? You were part of it. - Yes. 171 00:17:56,460 --> 00:17:59,940 Citizens of Israel, we have crushed the enemy under immense aerial bombardment. 172 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,840 It will be the victory of good over evil, light over darkness. 173 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,920 During the training, we saw a film about it. It was called “Eye in the Sky.” 174 00:18:14,180 --> 00:18:17,480 That's the attack, and that was my role. 175 00:18:18,660 --> 00:18:20,080 Yes, correct. 176 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:27,240 They do everything to convince them that there is a moral dimension to all of this. 177 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:47,020 I told myself that too. 178 00:18:47,020 --> 00:18:50,940 There are cases where they hit someone and see that he is injured, but still alive. 179 00:18:51,980 --> 00:18:54,680 So, more often than not, they throw it at him another. 180 00:18:57,820 --> 00:19:01,380 I don't know if I've ever been happy to have killed someone. 181 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:11,280 In my unit, there aren't many people who hate the Arabs. It's an elite unit. 182 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:17,940 It's mostly full of people from Tel Aviv... There aren't many people like that there. 183 00:19:17,940 --> 00:19:18,940 Anyway, like... 184 00:19:19,710 --> 00:19:26,590 -Hating Arabs is dehumanization. - But the people you describe, 185 00:19:26,590 --> 00:19:29,910 We interviewed you, and you said that they don't hate the Arabs. 186 00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:33,430 However, in my opinion, they are who killed the most Arabs 187 00:19:37,970 --> 00:19:39,030 the last two years. 188 00:19:39,230 --> 00:19:40,230 I try… 189 00:19:51,150 --> 00:19:57,370 What I mean is that it's all in the accomplishment of the mission. The mission is everything. 190 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:15,720 The main military headquarters of Israel is in the heart of Tel Aviv. 191 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,300 Hello, today we are going to take a lesson on the Arabic verb. 192 00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:47,080 An ultra-bureaucratic program. 193 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,039 Do you work on a computer? 194 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:54,800 Yes. We follow training to be able to participate in the attacks. 195 00:20:54,800 --> 00:21:01,600 All right. A system that contains everything: 196 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,880 Air Force attack targets. 197 00:21:05,100 --> 00:21:07,400 Is there a building in Gaza what were you planning to target? 198 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:21,720 I obviously participated in the planning buildings that collapsed. 199 00:21:22,540 --> 00:21:23,600 Do you know how much? 200 00:21:25,460 --> 00:21:26,460 No. 201 00:21:48,649 --> 00:21:50,890 Do you know I'm doing this right now? 202 00:21:51,290 --> 00:21:52,290 I try… 203 00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:58,850 If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them. 204 00:22:00,470 --> 00:22:05,530 I can't think of a more isolated place than a roof. Yes. 205 00:22:07,850 --> 00:22:11,350 We see the city, but the city doesn't see us, and in a way... 206 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:26,680 we are in front of a screen. 207 00:22:31,340 --> 00:22:37,360 There, you see, there are other buildings nearby, and here is the one to attack. 208 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,360 First, we obtain in particular the dimensions of the building. 209 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,780 This building will be 20 meters high. Well, actually, it's 15. 210 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,820 They also seek to know how many floors the building has. 211 00:22:51,630 --> 00:22:54,030 How do they know? Usually, thanks to the windows. 212 00:22:54,970 --> 00:22:56,530 We can also confirm this with the height. 213 00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:59,670 A floor in Gaza is generally about three meters. 214 00:23:01,110 --> 00:23:02,110 For example: 215 00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:09,370 we spot a Hamas member on the sixth floor, okay? 216 00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:10,750 He is involved. 217 00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:17,770 But if the information on this floor indicate the presence of four civilians, the Naza of the attack is 218 00:23:17,770 --> 00:23:18,770 That's four. 219 00:23:19,550 --> 00:23:21,030 Naza four. 220 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,000 What is Naza? 221 00:23:27,020 --> 00:23:32,440 Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack, 222 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,240 following the attack. 223 00:23:35,020 --> 00:23:36,220 It says: Naza 15. 224 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:43,040 It doesn't say that 15 people will die, It doesn't even say they're going to die. 225 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,040 Fifteen children and women. We just say “Naza 15”. 226 00:23:50,420 --> 00:23:54,500 Do you know the Naza figures? 227 00:23:57,500 --> 00:23:59,220 I don't remember it anymore. 228 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,900 Do you know anyone who does? 229 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,140 Talk to me, please, because I really want to understand. 230 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,040 I try… 231 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,140 Yes, and I have the impression that he didn't really want to talk about it. 232 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,700 I'm trying to understand too. 233 00:24:34,060 --> 00:24:38,500 In Naza jargon, is there a difference, for example, between children, infants and men? 234 00:24:39,420 --> 00:24:40,420 No. 235 00:24:41,260 --> 00:24:42,420 Is a child Naza? 236 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:43,720 I try… 237 00:24:44,540 --> 00:24:45,540 I try… 238 00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:48,540 I've never had to deal with this. 239 00:24:49,740 --> 00:24:52,320 What is the highest number you can remember? for a single attack? 240 00:24:54,020 --> 00:25:00,940 I can't say how many died, no one does not confirm this. But we have already authorized 241 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,200 500 deaths, for example, for... 242 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,740 ...only one person. 243 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,660 Five hundred is a bit like... one small town in Israel. 244 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,280 I try… 245 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,700 We always said it was a video game. 246 00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:26,220 - Serious ? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game. 247 00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:27,220 Everything is done remotely. 248 00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:44,200 I remember attacks at Naza 200. 249 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:53,740 An elderly civilian: we don't know exactly where he is. Where it is suspected, 250 00:25:53,740 --> 00:26:00,560 we bomb, every day, in a powerful flash. 251 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,340 Let's say: here a man, there a building, we attack everything. 252 00:26:07,580 --> 00:26:08,580 A whole neighborhood. 253 00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:36,590 At some point, anyone in Lavender could be targeted with a Naza of 20. 254 00:26:37,090 --> 00:26:38,090 Naza 20. 255 00:26:38,350 --> 00:26:39,350 Naza 20. 256 00:26:39,730 --> 00:26:46,730 The Naza 20 suddenly became the standard. And we eliminate very low-level Hamas members. 257 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:48,850 Very easy trigger, by carrying out orders. 258 00:26:49,670 --> 00:26:55,830 But when we allow 20 deaths for each junior agent, and there are lots of them, 259 00:26:56,930 --> 00:26:58,410 it affects all of Gaza. Yes. 260 00:26:58,750 --> 00:26:59,750 Okay. 261 00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:09,150 All right. I still don't know myself what to do with all this. 262 00:27:10,030 --> 00:27:11,070 Yes of course. 263 00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:18,350 In fact, this is also why I couldn't stay there anymore at some point. 264 00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:22,750 I couldn't stay there, I couldn't be part of it anymore. 265 00:27:25,090 --> 00:27:26,090 Well, I participated in it. 266 00:27:26,290 --> 00:27:28,450 - How so ? You were part of it. - Yes. 267 00:27:46,890 --> 00:27:50,930 Citizens of Israel, we have crushed the enemy under immense aerial bombardment. 268 00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:55,850 It will be the victory of good over evil, light over darkness. 269 00:27:59,830 --> 00:28:03,750 During the training, we saw a film about it. It was called “Eye in the Sky.” 270 00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:08,490 That's the attack, and that was my role. 271 00:28:09,550 --> 00:28:11,070 Yes, correct. 272 00:28:13,770 --> 00:28:18,250 They do everything to convince them that there is a moral dimension to all of this. 273 00:28:18,250 --> 00:28:38,010 I told myself that too. 274 00:28:38,010 --> 00:28:41,930 There are cases where they hit someone and see that he is injured, but still alive. 275 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:49,920 So, more often than not, they throw it at him another. 276 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:56,820 I don't know if I've ever been happy to have killed someone. 277 00:28:56,820 --> 00:29:03,620 In my unit, few people hate Arabs. It's an elite unit, full of people from Tel Aviv... 278 00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:10,440 There aren't many people there who hate Arabs. 279 00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:17,600 -Hating Arabs is dehumanization. - But the people you describe, 280 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,920 We interviewed you, and you said that they don't hate the Arabs. 281 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,420 However, in my opinion, they are who killed the most Arabs 282 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,040 the last two years. 283 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,240 I try… 284 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,340 What I mean, it’s all about accomplishing the mission. 285 00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:48,340 That's the objective. 286 00:30:01,490 --> 00:30:06,690 The main military headquarters of Israel is in the heart of Tel Aviv. 287 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,320 Hello, today we are going to take a lesson on the Arabic verb. 288 00:30:33,980 --> 00:30:35,900 An ultra-bureaucratic program. 289 00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:38,740 Do you work on a computer? 290 00:30:39,140 --> 00:30:40,140 I try… 291 00:30:42,340 --> 00:30:46,780 We follow training to be able to participate in the attacks. 292 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:54,220 All right. A system that contains all attack targets 293 00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:55,220 the air force. 294 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,380 Is there a building in Gaza what were you planning to target? 295 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,740 I obviously participated in the planning buildings that collapsed. 296 00:31:13,540 --> 00:31:14,600 How much could you say? 297 00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:17,460 No. 298 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,980 Do you know I'm doing this right now? 299 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,240 I try… 300 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,840 If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them. 301 00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:56,540 I can't think of a more isolated place than a roof. Yes. 302 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,380 We see the city, but the city doesn't see us, and in a way... 303 00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:17,690 we are in front of a screen. 304 00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:28,370 There, you see, there are other buildings nearby, and here is the one to attack. 305 00:32:29,410 --> 00:32:32,370 First, we obtain in particular the dimensions of the building. 306 00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:38,770 This building will be 20 meters high. Well, actually, it's 15. 307 00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:41,810 They also seek to know how many floors the building has. 308 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,000 How do they know? Usually, thanks to the windows. 309 00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:50,480 We also confirm this with the height. A floor in Gaza is generally about three 310 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,480 meters. 311 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,000 For example: 312 00:32:55,500 --> 00:33:00,380 we spot a Hamas member on the sixth floor, okay? 313 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,640 He is involved. 314 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:08,780 But if the information on this floor indicate the presence of four civilians, the Naza of the attack is 315 00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:09,780 four. 316 00:33:10,420 --> 00:33:12,020 Naza four. 317 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,000 What is Naza? 318 00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:23,440 Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack, 319 00:33:23,940 --> 00:33:25,220 following the attack. 320 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,240 It says: Naza 15. 321 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:34,040 It doesn't say that 15 people will die, It doesn't even say they're going to die. 322 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,040 Fifteen children and women. We just say “Naza 15”. 323 00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:45,500 Do you know the Naza figures? 324 00:33:48,810 --> 00:33:50,210 I don't remember it anymore. 325 00:33:50,770 --> 00:33:52,870 Do you know anyone who does? 326 00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:56,110 So talk to me, because I really want to understand. 327 00:33:57,630 --> 00:33:58,310 I try… 328 00:33:58,310 --> 00:34:05,170 Yes, and I don't have the impression 329 00:34:05,170 --> 00:34:08,130 that he wants to talk about it. 330 00:34:08,909 --> 00:34:10,690 I'm trying to understand too... Oh. 331 00:34:25,070 --> 00:34:30,190 In Naza jargon, is there a difference, for example, between children, infants and men? 332 00:34:30,489 --> 00:34:31,489 No. 333 00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:33,409 Is a child Naza? 334 00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:34,730 I try… 335 00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:36,550 I try… 336 00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:39,530 And I've never had to deal with that. 337 00:34:40,750 --> 00:34:43,330 What is the highest number you can remember? for a single attack? 338 00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:51,929 I don't know how many died, no one does confirms. But we allowed 339 00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:53,190 500, in a way, for... 340 00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:57,740 ...only one person. 341 00:35:00,540 --> 00:35:04,640 Five hundred is a bit like... one small town in Israel. 342 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,320 I try… 343 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,700 We always said it was a video game. 344 00:35:12,140 --> 00:35:15,960 - Serious ? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game. 345 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,740 - Why video games? - Because everything is done remotely. 346 00:35:31,950 --> 00:35:35,210 I remember attacks at Naza 200. 347 00:35:37,770 --> 00:35:41,070 An elderly civilian: we don't know exactly where he is. 348 00:35:41,290 --> 00:35:48,010 Wherever one suspects he goes every day, we blow everything up. 349 00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:51,510 In a powerful flash. 350 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:59,530 Let's say: a man here, a building there, we attack everything. A whole neighborhood. 351 00:36:21,580 --> 00:36:27,520 At some point, anyone in Lavender could be targeted with a Naza of 20. 352 00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:29,140 Naza 20. 353 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,320 Naza 20. 354 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:37,720 The Naza 20 suddenly became the standard. And we eliminate very low-level Hamas members. 355 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:39,860 Very easy trigger, by carrying out orders. 356 00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:47,260 But when we allow 20 deaths for each junior agent, and there are lots of them, 357 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,420 it affects all of Gaza. Yes. 358 00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:52,100 Okay. 359 00:36:55,260 --> 00:37:00,160 All right. I still don't know myself what to do with all this. 360 00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:02,100 Yes, that's it. 361 00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:09,340 In fact, this is also why I couldn't continue at one point. 362 00:37:09,340 --> 00:37:13,760 I couldn't stay there, I couldn't be part of it anymore. 363 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,160 Well, I participated in it. 364 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,460 - How so ? You were part of it. - Yes. 365 00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:42,400 Citizens of Israel, we have crushed the enemy under immense aerial bombardment. 366 00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:47,300 It will be the victory of good over evil, light over darkness. 367 00:37:50,820 --> 00:37:54,760 During the training, we saw a film about it. It was called “Eye in the Sky.” 368 00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:59,500 That's the attack, and that was my role. 369 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:09,200 They try to make them believe that there are morals. I told myself that too. 370 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,920 There are cases where they hit someone and see that he is injured, but still alive. 371 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:40,920 So, more often than not, they throw it at him another. 372 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:47,800 I don't know if I've ever been happy to have killed someone. 373 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:54,600 In my unit, few people hate Arabs. It's an elite unit, full of people from Tel Aviv... 374 00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:01,440 There aren't many people there who hate Arabs. 375 00:39:01,710 --> 00:39:08,610 -Hating Arabs is dehumanization. - But the people you describe, 376 00:39:08,610 --> 00:39:15,430 We interviewed someone, and you said they don't hate the Arabs. However, in my opinion, they killed more 377 00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:21,030 the last two years. 378 00:39:21,250 --> 00:39:22,250 Yes, I... 379 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:39,360 What I mean is that it's all in the accomplishment of the mission. The mission is everything. 380 00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:57,710 The main military headquarters of Israel is in the heart of Tel Aviv. 381 00:40:18,730 --> 00:40:22,350 Hello, today we are going to take a lesson on the Arabic verb. 382 00:40:24,910 --> 00:40:26,950 An ultra-bureaucratic program. 383 00:40:28,030 --> 00:40:29,750 Do you work on a computer? 384 00:40:30,070 --> 00:40:31,070 I try… 385 00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:37,770 We follow training to be able to participate in the attacks. 386 00:40:38,350 --> 00:40:45,210 All right. A system that contains all attack targets 387 00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:46,210 the air force. 388 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,380 Is there a building in Gaza what were you planning to target? 389 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,720 I obviously participated in the planning buildings that collapsed. 390 00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:05,620 Do you know how much? 391 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,120 No. 392 00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:32,990 Do you know I'm doing this right now? 393 00:41:33,350 --> 00:41:34,350 I try… 394 00:41:35,410 --> 00:41:40,810 If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them. 395 00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:47,530 I can't think of a more isolated place than a roof. Yes. 396 00:41:49,950 --> 00:41:53,370 We see the city, but the city doesn't see us, and in a way... 397 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,760 we are in front of a screen. 398 00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:19,360 There, you see, there are other buildings nearby, and here is the one to attack. 399 00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:23,380 First, we obtain in particular the dimensions of the building. 400 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,780 This building is 20 meters high. Well, actually, it's 15. 401 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,820 They also seek to know how many floors the building has. 402 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,880 How do they know? Usually, thanks to the windows. 403 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,500 We also confirm this with the height. A floor in Gaza is generally about three 404 00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:42,500 meters. 405 00:42:42,980 --> 00:42:43,980 For example: 406 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,380 we spot a Hamas member on the sixth floor, okay? 407 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:52,640 He is involved. 408 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:59,780 But if the information on this floor indicate the presence of four civilians, the Naza of the attack is 409 00:42:59,780 --> 00:43:00,780 four. 410 00:43:01,420 --> 00:43:03,020 Naza four. 411 00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:08,980 What is Naza? 412 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:14,460 Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack, 413 00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:16,220 following the attack. 414 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,220 It says: Naza 15. 415 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:25,040 It doesn't say that 15 people will die, It doesn't even say they're going to die. 416 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,040 Fifteen children and women. We just say “Naza 15”. 417 00:43:32,460 --> 00:43:36,500 Do you know the Naza figures? 418 00:43:39,490 --> 00:43:41,210 I don't remember it anymore. 419 00:43:41,790 --> 00:43:43,890 Do you know anyone who does? 420 00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:47,130 Talk to me, please, because I really want to understand. 421 00:43:52,050 --> 00:43:53,050 I try… 422 00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:59,130 Yes, and I have the impression that he didn't really want to talk about it. 423 00:43:59,930 --> 00:44:01,690 I'm trying to understand too. 424 00:44:16,110 --> 00:44:20,490 In Naza jargon, is there a difference, for example, between children, infants and men? 425 00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:22,430 No. 426 00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:24,410 Is a child Naza? 427 00:44:24,730 --> 00:44:25,730 Yes yes. 428 00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:27,550 No. 429 00:44:28,030 --> 00:44:30,510 I've never had to deal with this. 430 00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:34,330 What is the highest number you can remember? for a single attack? 431 00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:42,930 I can't say how many died, no one does not confirm this. But we have already authorized 432 00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:43,930 500 deaths, for example, for... 433 00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:48,760 ...only one person. 434 00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:55,660 Five hundred is a bit like... one small town in Israel. 435 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,280 I try… 436 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,700 We always said it was a video game. 437 00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:08,180 - Serious ? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game. 438 00:45:08,180 --> 00:45:09,180 Everything is done remotely. 439 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,200 I remember attacks at Naza 200. 440 00:45:28,860 --> 00:45:35,760 An elderly civilian: we don't know exactly where he is. Where it is suspected, 441 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:42,560 we bomb, every day, in a powerful flash. 442 00:45:44,620 --> 00:45:49,340 Let's say: here a man, there a building, we attack everything. 443 00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:50,580 A whole neighborhood. 444 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:18,540 At some point, anyone in Lavender could be targeted with a Naza of 20. 445 00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:20,100 Naza 20. 446 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,320 Naza 20. 447 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:28,340 The Naza 20 suddenly became the standard. And we eliminate very low-level Hamas members. 448 00:46:28,340 --> 00:46:30,860 Very easy trigger, by carrying out orders. 449 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:37,800 But when we allow 20 deaths for each subordinate agent, and there are lots of them, 450 00:46:38,540 --> 00:46:40,440 and there are many... it affects all of Gaza. Yes. 451 00:46:45,690 --> 00:46:51,150 All right. I still don't know myself what to do with all this. 452 00:46:53,930 --> 00:47:00,610 In fact, this is also why, At some point, I couldn't continue. 453 00:47:00,610 --> 00:47:04,730 I couldn't stay there, I couldn't be part of it anymore. 454 00:47:07,090 --> 00:47:10,450 - But you were part of it. - Yes. 455 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,940 Citizens of Israel, we have crushed the enemy under immense aerial bombardment. 456 00:47:33,620 --> 00:47:37,860 It will be the victory of good over evil, light over darkness. 457 00:47:41,620 --> 00:47:45,740 During the training, we saw a film about it. It was called “Eye in the Sky.” 458 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,500 That's the attack, and that was my role. 459 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,080 Yes, correct. 460 00:47:55,690 --> 00:48:00,230 They do everything to convince them that there is a moral dimension to all of this. 461 00:48:00,230 --> 00:48:20,010 I told myself that too. 462 00:48:20,010 --> 00:48:23,930 There are cases where they hit someone and see that he is injured, but still alive. 463 00:48:24,970 --> 00:48:31,910 So, more often than not, they throw it at him another. 464 00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:38,810 I don't know if I've ever been happy to have killed someone. 465 00:48:38,810 --> 00:48:45,610 In my unit, few people hate Arabs. It's an elite unit, full of people from Tel Aviv... 466 00:48:45,610 --> 00:48:52,330 There aren't many people there who hate Arabs. 467 00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:59,600 -Hating Arabs is dehumanization. - But the people you describe, 468 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:06,420 We interviewed someone, and you said they don't hate the Arabs. However, in my opinion, they killed more 469 00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:12,620 - In the last two years. - Yes, I... 470 00:49:24,140 --> 00:49:27,340 What I mean, it’s all about accomplishing the mission. 471 00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:30,340 That's the objective. 472 00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:48,690 The main military headquarters of Israel is in the heart of Tel Aviv. 473 00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:13,350 Hello, today we are going to take a lesson on the Arabic verb. 474 00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:17,950 An ultra-bureaucratic program. 475 00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:20,710 Do you work on a computer? 476 00:50:21,070 --> 00:50:22,070 I try… 477 00:50:24,310 --> 00:50:28,790 We follow training to be able to participate in the attacks. 478 00:50:29,350 --> 00:50:36,210 All right. A system that contains all attack targets 479 00:50:36,210 --> 00:50:37,210 the air force. 480 00:50:38,090 --> 00:50:40,370 Is there a building in Gaza what were you planning to target? 481 00:50:49,390 --> 00:50:54,710 I obviously participated in the planning buildings that collapsed. 482 00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:56,590 How much could you say? 483 00:50:58,570 --> 00:50:59,570 No. 484 00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:23,980 Do you know I'm doing this right now? 485 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:25,300 I try… 486 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:31,820 If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them. 487 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:38,520 I can't think of a more isolated place than a roof. Yes. 488 00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:44,320 We see the city, but the city doesn't see us. 489 00:51:58,730 --> 00:51:59,730 we are in front of a screen. 490 00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:10,370 There, you see, there are other buildings nearby, and here is the one I must attack. 491 00:52:11,490 --> 00:52:14,370 First, we obtain in particular the dimensions of the building. 492 00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:20,770 This building will be 20 meters high. Well, actually, it's 15. 493 00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:23,810 They also seek to know how many floors the building has. 494 00:52:24,620 --> 00:52:27,020 How do they know? Usually, thanks to the windows. 495 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,540 We can also confirm this with the height. 496 00:52:29,780 --> 00:52:32,660 A floor in Gaza is generally about three meters. 497 00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:35,100 For example: 498 00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:42,400 we spot a Hamas member on the sixth floor, okay? 499 00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:43,700 He is involved. 500 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:50,780 But if the information on this floor indicate the presence of four civilians, the Naza of the attack is 501 00:52:50,780 --> 00:52:51,780 four. 502 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,020 Naza four. 503 00:52:58,990 --> 00:52:59,990 What is Naza? 504 00:53:00,070 --> 00:53:05,450 Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack, 505 00:53:05,950 --> 00:53:07,210 following the attack. 506 00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:09,210 It says: Naza 15. 507 00:53:09,850 --> 00:53:16,050 It doesn't say that 15 people will die, It doesn't even say they're going to die. 508 00:53:16,050 --> 00:53:20,030 Fifteen children and women. We just say “Naza 15”. 509 00:53:23,490 --> 00:53:28,210 Do you know the Naza figures? 510 00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:32,230 I don't remember it anymore. 511 00:53:32,770 --> 00:53:34,870 Do you know anyone who does? 512 00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:38,110 Talk to me, please, because I really want to understand. 513 00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:49,910 Yes, and I have the impression that it is not in the mood to talk about it 514 00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:50,908 with you. 515 00:53:50,910 --> 00:53:52,690 I'm trying to understand too... Oh. 516 00:54:07,050 --> 00:54:11,130 In Naza jargon, is there a difference, for example, between children, infants and men? 517 00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:13,470 No. 518 00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:15,410 Is a child Naza? 519 00:54:15,790 --> 00:54:16,790 Yes yes. 520 00:54:17,570 --> 00:54:18,570 I try… 521 00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:21,530 I've never had to deal with this. 522 00:54:22,750 --> 00:54:25,330 What is the highest number you can remember? for a single attack? 523 00:54:27,050 --> 00:54:33,930 I can't say how many died, it never been verified. But we allowed 524 00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:35,190 500, in a way, for... 525 00:54:38,670 --> 00:54:39,730 ...only one person. 526 00:54:42,570 --> 00:54:46,650 Five hundred is a bit like... one small town in Israel. 527 00:54:47,290 --> 00:54:48,290 I try… 528 00:54:51,810 --> 00:54:53,690 We always said it was a video game. 529 00:54:54,110 --> 00:54:58,430 - Serious ? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game. 530 00:54:58,690 --> 00:54:59,750 Everything is done remotely. 531 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,560 I remember attacks at Naza 200. 532 00:55:19,820 --> 00:55:23,060 An elderly civilian: we don't know exactly where he is. 533 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:30,020 Wherever one suspects he goes every day, we blow everything up. 534 00:55:30,140 --> 00:55:33,500 In a powerful flash. 535 00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:41,520 Let's say: a man here, a building there, we attack everything. A whole neighborhood. 536 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:09,500 At some point, anyone in Lavender could be targeted with a Naza of 20. 537 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,120 Naza 20. 538 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,320 Naza 20. 539 00:56:12,740 --> 00:56:19,740 The Naza 20 suddenly became the standard. And we eliminate very low-level Hamas members. 540 00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:21,880 Very easy trigger, by carrying out orders. 541 00:56:22,700 --> 00:56:28,820 But when we allow 20 deaths for each junior agent, and there are lots of them, 542 00:56:29,940 --> 00:56:31,420 it affects all of Gaza. Yes. 543 00:56:36,779 --> 00:56:42,140 All right. I still don't know myself what to do with all this. 544 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,060 Yes, that's it. 545 00:56:44,980 --> 00:56:51,340 In fact, this is also why I couldn't stay there anymore at some point. 546 00:56:51,340 --> 00:56:55,760 I couldn't stay there, I couldn't be part of it anymore. 547 00:56:58,100 --> 00:56:59,100 Well, I participated in it. 548 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,440 - How so ? You were part of it. - Yes. 549 00:57:19,620 --> 00:57:24,400 Citizens of Israel, we have crushed the enemy under immense aerial bombardment. 550 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:29,300 It will be the victory of good over evil, light over darkness. 551 00:57:33,140 --> 00:57:39,520 During the training, we saw a film about it called “ Eye in the Sky.” This is the attack. 552 00:57:39,620 --> 00:57:41,560 And that was my job. 553 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,240 They do everything to convince them that there is a moral dimension to all of this. 554 00:57:51,240 --> 00:58:11,000 I told myself that too. 555 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,920 There are cases where they hit someone and see that he is injured, but still alive. 556 00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:18,730 So, more often than not, they throw it at him another. 557 00:58:21,830 --> 00:58:25,390 I don't know if I've ever been happy to have killed someone. 558 00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:35,270 In my unit, there aren't many people who hate the Arabs. It's an elite unit. 559 00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:41,950 It's mostly full of people from Tel Aviv... There aren't many people like that there. 560 00:58:41,950 --> 00:58:43,470 Like, hate 561 00:58:43,710 --> 00:58:50,590 - the Arabs. Crazy dehumanization. - But the people you describe, 562 00:58:50,590 --> 00:58:53,930 We interviewed you, and you said that they don't hate the Arabs. 563 00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:57,430 However, in my opinion, they are who killed the most Arabs 564 00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:03,650 - In the last two years. - Yes. 565 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,340 What I mean, it’s all about accomplishing the mission. 566 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,340 That's the objective. 567 00:59:34,490 --> 00:59:39,690 The main military headquarters of Israel is in the heart of Tel Aviv. 568 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,260 Hello, today we are going to take a lesson on the Arabic verb. 569 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,920 An ultra-bureaucratic program. 570 01:00:10,020 --> 01:00:11,720 Do you work on a computer? 571 01:00:12,060 --> 01:00:13,060 I try… 572 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,760 We follow training to be able to participate in the attacks. 573 01:00:20,380 --> 01:00:27,220 All right. A system that contains all attack targets 574 01:00:27,220 --> 01:00:28,220 the air force. 575 01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:31,380 Is there a building in Gaza what were you planning to target? 576 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,160 Oh... 577 01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:41,280 Of course... 578 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,720 ...I participated, for example, in the planning buildings that collapsed. 579 01:00:46,540 --> 01:00:47,600 Do you know how much? 580 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:54,120 No. 581 01:01:13,170 --> 01:01:14,830 Do you know I'm doing this right now? 582 01:01:15,310 --> 01:01:16,310 I try… 583 01:01:17,370 --> 01:01:22,810 If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them. 584 01:01:24,490 --> 01:01:29,530 I can't think of a more isolated place than a roof. Yes. 585 01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:34,910 We see the city, but the city doesn't see us, and in a way... 586 01:01:49,770 --> 01:01:50,770 we are in front of a screen. 587 01:01:55,330 --> 01:02:01,350 There, you see, there are other buildings nearby, and here is the one to attack. 588 01:02:02,450 --> 01:02:05,350 First, we obtain in particular the dimensions of the building. 589 01:02:06,930 --> 01:02:11,770 This building will be 20 meters high. Well, actually, it's 15. 590 01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:14,810 They also seek to know how many floors the building has. 591 01:02:15,610 --> 01:02:18,050 How do they know? Usually, thanks to the windows. 592 01:02:18,930 --> 01:02:23,630 We also confirm this with the height. A floor in Gaza is generally around three meters. 593 01:02:25,050 --> 01:02:26,050 For example: 594 01:02:28,550 --> 01:02:33,370 we spot a Hamas member on the sixth floor, okay? 595 01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:34,670 He is involved. 596 01:02:35,130 --> 01:02:41,770 But if the information on this floor indicate the presence of four civilians, the Naza of the attack is 597 01:02:41,770 --> 01:02:42,770 four. 598 01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:45,030 Naza four. 599 01:02:49,930 --> 01:02:50,930 What is Naza? 600 01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:57,670 Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack, as a result. 601 01:02:57,670 --> 01:03:03,090 It doesn't say that 15 people will die, It doesn't even say they're going to die. 602 01:03:03,090 --> 01:03:09,830 Fifteen children and women. 603 01:03:09,830 --> 01:03:15,790 We just say “Naza 15”. Do you know what it is? 604 01:03:15,790 --> 01:03:19,030 The Naza figures? 605 01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,220 I don't remember it anymore. 606 01:03:23,780 --> 01:03:25,880 Do you know anyone who does? 607 01:03:26,620 --> 01:03:29,120 So talk to me, because I really want to understand. 608 01:03:33,940 --> 01:03:40,900 Yes, and I have the impression that it is not in the mood to talk about it 609 01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:41,899 with you. 610 01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:43,740 I'm trying to understand too... Oh. 611 01:03:58,060 --> 01:04:03,240 In Naza jargon, is there a difference, for example, between children, infants and men? 612 01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:04,480 No. 613 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,420 Is a child Naza? 614 01:04:06,700 --> 01:04:07,700 I try… 615 01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:09,500 I try… 616 01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:12,520 And I've never had to deal with that. 617 01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,300 What is the highest number you can remember? for a single attack? 618 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:24,900 I can't say how many died, it never been verified. But we allowed 619 01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:25,900 500, in a way, 620 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:30,760 for one person. 621 01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:37,660 Five hundred is a bit like... one small town in Israel. 622 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:39,280 I try… 623 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,700 We always said it was a video game. 624 01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:48,960 - Serious ? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game. 625 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:50,700 - Why video games? - Because everything is done remotely. 626 01:05:04,940 --> 01:05:08,200 I remember attacks at Naza 200. 627 01:05:10,820 --> 01:05:17,740 An elderly civilian: we don't know exactly where he is. Where it is suspected, 628 01:05:17,740 --> 01:05:24,520 we bomb, every day, in a powerful flash. 629 01:05:26,580 --> 01:05:32,520 Let's say: a man here, a building there, we attack everything. A whole neighborhood. 630 01:05:54,570 --> 01:06:00,530 At some point, anyone in Lavender could be targeted with a Naza of 20. 631 01:06:01,090 --> 01:06:02,090 Naza 20. 632 01:06:02,330 --> 01:06:03,330 Naza 20. 633 01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:10,710 The Naza 20 suddenly became the standard. And we eliminate very low-level Hamas members. 634 01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:12,850 Very easy trigger, by carrying out orders. 635 01:06:13,690 --> 01:06:19,790 But when we allow 20 deaths for each subordinate agent, and there are lots of them, 636 01:06:20,530 --> 01:06:22,430 and there are many... it affects all of Gaza. Yes. 637 01:06:27,690 --> 01:06:33,150 All right. I still don't know myself what to do with all this. 638 01:06:35,930 --> 01:06:42,610 In fact, this is also why I couldn't stay there anymore at some point. 639 01:06:42,610 --> 01:06:46,750 I couldn't stay there, I couldn't be part of it anymore. 640 01:06:49,090 --> 01:06:52,450 - But you were part of it. - Yes. 641 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:15,300 Citizens of Israel, we have crushed the enemy under immense aerial bombardment. 642 01:07:15,620 --> 01:07:20,300 It will be the victory of good over evil, light over darkness. 643 01:07:23,890 --> 01:07:30,570 During the training, we saw a film about it called “ Eye in the Sky.” This is the attack. 644 01:07:30,610 --> 01:07:32,570 And that was my job. 645 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,200 They try to make them believe that there are morals. I told myself that too. 646 01:08:01,340 --> 01:08:04,920 There are cases where they hit someone and then see that he is injured. 647 01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:06,240 But he is still alive, and there, 648 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,660 most often, they throw it at him another. 649 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,380 I don't know if I've ever been happy to have killed someone. 650 01:08:19,460 --> 01:08:26,279 In my unit, there aren't many people who hate the Arabs. It's an elite unit. 651 01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:32,939 It's mostly full of people from Tel Aviv... There aren't many people like that there. 652 01:08:32,939 --> 01:08:34,439 Like, hate 653 01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:41,580 - the Arabs. Crazy dehumanization. - But the people you describe, 654 01:08:41,580 --> 01:08:44,859 We interviewed you, and you said that they don't hate the Arabs. 655 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,420 However, in my opinion, they are who killed the most Arabs 656 01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:54,020 the last two years. 657 01:08:54,260 --> 01:08:55,260 I try… 658 01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:12,340 What I mean is that it's all in the accomplishment of the mission. The mission is everything. 659 01:09:25,490 --> 01:09:30,690 The main military headquarters of Israel is in the heart of Tel Aviv. 660 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,340 Hello, today we are going to take a lesson on the Arabic verb. 661 01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:59,940 An ultra-bureaucratic program. 662 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,700 Do you work on a computer? 663 01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:04,040 I try… 664 01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:10,780 We follow training to be able to participate in the attacks. 665 01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:18,200 All right. It is a system which contains all attack targets 666 01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,200 the air force. 667 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,380 Is there a building in Gaza what were you planning to target? 668 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:36,720 I obviously participated in the planning buildings that collapsed. 669 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:38,600 How much could you say? 670 01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:42,160 No. 671 01:11:04,180 --> 01:11:05,980 Do you know I'm doing this right now? 672 01:11:06,340 --> 01:11:07,340 I try… 673 01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:13,820 If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them. 674 01:11:15,540 --> 01:11:20,520 I can't think of a more isolated place than a roof. Yes. 675 01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,360 We see the city, but the city doesn't see us, and in a way... 676 01:11:40,650 --> 01:11:41,670 we are in front of a screen. 677 01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:52,370 There, you see, there are other buildings nearby, and here is the one to attack. 678 01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:56,350 First, we obtain in particular the dimensions of the building. 679 01:11:57,930 --> 01:12:02,770 This building will be 20 meters high. Well, actually, it's 15. 680 01:12:03,470 --> 01:12:05,810 They also seek to know how many floors the building has. 681 01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,040 How do they know? Usually, thanks to the windows. 682 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:14,460 We also confirm this with the height. A floor in Gaza is generally around three meters. 683 01:12:15,980 --> 01:12:16,980 For example: 684 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:25,180 We spotted someone of Hamas on the sixth floor, okay? They are involved. 685 01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:32,760 But if the information on this floor indicate the presence of four civilians, the Naza of the attack is 686 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:33,760 four. 687 01:12:34,420 --> 01:12:36,020 Naza four. 688 01:12:40,970 --> 01:12:41,970 What is Naza? 689 01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:47,450 Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack, 690 01:12:47,890 --> 01:12:49,210 following the attack. 691 01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:51,210 It says: Naza 15. 692 01:12:51,790 --> 01:12:58,050 It doesn't say that 15 people will die, It doesn't even say they're going to die. 693 01:12:58,050 --> 01:13:02,030 Fifteen children and women. We just say “Naza 15”. 694 01:13:05,410 --> 01:13:10,210 Do you know the Naza figures? 695 01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,220 I don't remember it anymore. 696 01:13:14,820 --> 01:13:16,880 Do you know anyone who does? 697 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,100 So talk to me, because I really want to understand. 698 01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:32,120 Yes, and I have the impression that he didn't really want to talk about it. 699 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,660 I'm trying to understand too... Oh. 700 01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:03,860 We see the launches: there, it’s Gaza, this is the sky of Gaza, and this is the sky of... 701 01:14:03,860 --> 01:14:04,860 ...watch TV. 702 01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:43,000 Israel continues to kill Palestinian civilians in Gaza. 703 01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:03,000 Directed by Yuval Abraham and Rachel Szor. 704 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:10,500 Produced by Harry Davies, Lindsay Poulton and James Wilson. 705 01:15:10,580 --> 01:15:16,000 Executive Producers: Glazer, Lewis and Jackson. 706 01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,900 Image: anonymous and Rachel Szor. Editing: Abraham, Szor and Davies. 707 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:26,000 This film is based on information revealed between 2023 and 2025 708 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:31,500 by 972 Magazine, Local Call and The Guardian newspaper. 709 01:15:31,580 --> 01:15:38,000 Sound and visual effects. 710 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:48,000 Grading and post-production. 711 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:56,000 Advisors. 712 01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:03,900 mk2 Films. 713 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:21,000 Archival rights. 714 01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:25,900 THANKS. 715 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:35,500 This film was produced at the Close Up studio. 716 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:44,300 © The Guardian, 2026.