1 00:00:17,935 --> 00:00:18,810 [typewriter clacking] 2 00:00:18,811 --> 00:00:20,270 [Tony] If people knew 3 00:00:20,271 --> 00:00:21,896 what this man and his family did to me, 4 00:00:21,897 --> 00:00:23,398 they'd demand it be made right. 5 00:00:23,399 --> 00:00:25,483 People just waitin' to see me die! 6 00:00:25,484 --> 00:00:27,110 I know that you don't abandon hope 7 00:00:27,111 --> 00:00:28,903 without hope abandoning you first, 8 00:00:28,904 --> 00:00:30,739 so why don't you and I work together on this, 9 00:00:30,740 --> 00:00:32,532 make sure we get through this thing safe and sound? 10 00:00:32,533 --> 00:00:34,784 The immunity agreement isn't real. 11 00:00:34,785 --> 00:00:36,035 It's all bullshit. 12 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:38,413 You have to sell the immunity, Fred. 13 00:00:38,414 --> 00:00:40,123 Sorry. I don't sell lies on the news. 14 00:00:40,124 --> 00:00:41,833 Two men's lives are at stake here. 15 00:00:41,834 --> 00:00:44,461 [Fred] WIBC can confirm that the unprecedented agreement 16 00:00:44,462 --> 00:00:45,503 exonerates Kiritsis. 17 00:00:45,504 --> 00:00:47,088 Kiritsis, if he so wishes, 18 00:00:47,089 --> 00:00:48,256 can walk out of Crestwood Apartments 19 00:00:48,257 --> 00:00:49,632 a free man. 20 00:00:49,633 --> 00:00:51,760 [Tony] Signed, sealed, and delivered! 21 00:00:51,761 --> 00:00:53,428 [Wilson] Maybe they tapped Tony's phones. 22 00:00:53,429 --> 00:00:54,637 Maybe Rucks knew about it the whole time, 23 00:00:54,638 --> 00:00:55,972 maybe he didn't. 24 00:00:55,973 --> 00:00:57,932 Maybe those hypothetical confidential phone calls 25 00:00:57,933 --> 00:00:59,559 fall under client-lawyer privilege. 26 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,269 Maybe those hypothetical phone calls 27 00:01:01,270 --> 00:01:02,353 also got them on tape. 28 00:01:02,354 --> 00:01:03,605 [Ben] Whoa. We're with WIBC. 29 00:01:03,606 --> 00:01:05,523 Excuse me. No! Whoa, whoa, whoa! Whoa! 30 00:01:05,524 --> 00:01:08,109 You know they're gonna kill him, right? 31 00:01:08,110 --> 00:01:09,611 Handkerchief. 32 00:01:09,612 --> 00:01:10,987 McNally. 33 00:01:10,988 --> 00:01:12,280 Tony. 34 00:01:12,281 --> 00:01:13,532 Then Walt goes... 35 00:01:15,493 --> 00:01:16,868 ...and I shoot. 36 00:01:16,869 --> 00:01:17,869 [hammer clicks] 37 00:01:17,870 --> 00:01:19,163 [percussive music] 38 00:01:20,498 --> 00:01:22,333 [typewriter clacking] 39 00:01:25,127 --> 00:01:28,255 [tuning radio] 40 00:01:32,885 --> 00:01:35,762 [reel-to-reel machine clicks] 41 00:01:35,763 --> 00:01:38,515 [main show theme begins] 42 00:01:38,516 --> 00:01:40,643 {\an8}[upbeat jazz playing] 43 00:02:05,417 --> 00:02:07,335 {\an8}[reel-to-reel clicks] 44 00:02:07,336 --> 00:02:09,463 {\an8}[upbeat jazz playing] 45 00:02:11,799 --> 00:02:12,674 {\an8}- [tuning radio] - [telephone ringing] 46 00:02:12,675 --> 00:02:13,384 {\an8}[upbeat jazz playing] 47 00:02:22,059 --> 00:02:22,976 {\an8}[disconnected tone beeping] 48 00:02:22,977 --> 00:02:26,981 {\an8}[upbeat jazz playing] 49 00:02:36,198 --> 00:02:38,742 [clock chiming] 50 00:02:44,290 --> 00:02:46,333 [he sighs wearily] 51 00:02:52,673 --> 00:02:54,550 [sighing] 52 00:03:01,265 --> 00:03:03,391 [Fred] Where is everyone? 53 00:03:03,392 --> 00:03:05,184 You missed it. 54 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:06,020 [spotlight turns on] 55 00:03:07,563 --> 00:03:08,479 Is that blood? 56 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,233 Like I said... you missed it. 57 00:03:12,234 --> 00:03:13,484 [bucket sloshing] 58 00:03:13,485 --> 00:03:14,570 [his spotlight turns off] 59 00:03:20,868 --> 00:03:24,579 {\an8}[alarm clock ringing] 60 00:03:24,580 --> 00:03:26,539 {\an8}[typewriter clacking] 61 00:03:26,540 --> 00:03:27,958 {\an8}[Fred sighs] 62 00:03:29,835 --> 00:03:31,586 {\an8}[turning alarm off] 63 00:03:31,587 --> 00:03:33,339 {\an8}[sighing] 64 00:03:37,676 --> 00:03:39,219 [exhaling heavily] 65 00:03:45,517 --> 00:03:48,019 [overlapping chatter] 66 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:49,355 {\an8}[McNally jumps] 67 00:03:52,232 --> 00:03:53,775 Flip the lights on, please? 68 00:03:53,776 --> 00:03:54,652 [powering on] 69 00:03:57,571 --> 00:03:59,364 [McNally] Thank you. 70 00:03:59,365 --> 00:04:01,449 [overlapping chatter] 71 00:04:01,450 --> 00:04:03,242 Hey. What the hell? What's going on here? 72 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:05,411 Tony can't resist the show. 73 00:04:05,412 --> 00:04:06,246 Well, how does this show end? 74 00:04:08,207 --> 00:04:10,459 All the world's a stage, Fred. 75 00:04:13,253 --> 00:04:15,254 {\an8}[Fred] Well, it's not over yet, Tony. 76 00:04:15,255 --> 00:04:16,881 {\an8}Now, listen, I want you to think about something. 77 00:04:16,882 --> 00:04:18,466 {\an8}There's an awful lot of cameras down here, 78 00:04:18,467 --> 00:04:20,468 {\an8}and they're all at the ready. 79 00:04:20,469 --> 00:04:22,261 What exactly are they gonna see? 80 00:04:22,262 --> 00:04:25,306 Me walkin' out a rich man and a national hero. 81 00:04:25,307 --> 00:04:27,100 You need to come down here unarmed. 82 00:04:27,101 --> 00:04:29,268 [Tony] The immunity agreement didn't specify 83 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:31,270 I'd have to be unarmed. Don't worry so much, Fred. 84 00:04:31,271 --> 00:04:32,897 Listen, I-I ain't goin' back to a hospital, 85 00:04:32,898 --> 00:04:35,858 and if... and if I have to wave a gun around to be free, 86 00:04:35,859 --> 00:04:37,360 well, that's what I'm gonna do. 87 00:04:37,361 --> 00:04:38,653 Please, Tony. 88 00:04:38,654 --> 00:04:40,071 I'll think about it, baby. 89 00:04:40,072 --> 00:04:41,948 Listen, I want to share a steak with you. 90 00:04:41,949 --> 00:04:43,449 Tell 'em I'm comin' down. 91 00:04:43,450 --> 00:04:44,451 [dial tone buzzing] 92 00:04:55,504 --> 00:04:57,339 He's coming down. 93 00:05:04,388 --> 00:05:06,598 [Greek instrumental playing] 94 00:05:41,884 --> 00:05:43,469 How do I look? 95 00:05:49,641 --> 00:05:52,186 [Tony] Don't get any fuckin' ideas! 96 00:05:55,939 --> 00:05:56,939 Go. Go. 97 00:05:56,940 --> 00:05:57,940 Go. 98 00:05:57,941 --> 00:05:58,859 [man] You okay, Tone? 99 00:06:03,113 --> 00:06:05,615 [chuckling] 100 00:06:05,616 --> 00:06:07,950 [Tony] Isn't that somethin'. 101 00:06:07,951 --> 00:06:09,328 [woman] I love you, Tony! 102 00:06:10,746 --> 00:06:12,497 Hey, everyone! 103 00:06:12,498 --> 00:06:16,960 [music slows and ends] 104 00:06:19,922 --> 00:06:21,631 [breathing heavily] 105 00:06:21,632 --> 00:06:23,092 [wind whooshing] 106 00:06:28,931 --> 00:06:30,014 Mr. Kiritsis. 107 00:06:30,015 --> 00:06:31,682 FBI Special Agent Cormac McNally. 108 00:06:31,683 --> 00:06:33,643 [Tony] Who's got the statement? 109 00:06:33,644 --> 00:06:34,894 Give it to Dick, Chief. 110 00:06:34,895 --> 00:06:36,187 Give it to Dick. 111 00:06:36,188 --> 00:06:38,189 He's gonna read it. 112 00:06:38,190 --> 00:06:39,524 Where's Mikey? 113 00:06:39,525 --> 00:06:40,650 I'm right here, Tone! 114 00:06:40,651 --> 00:06:42,360 Hey, Rick, how're you... where's Mikey? 115 00:06:42,361 --> 00:06:43,528 Tone! I'm right here. 116 00:06:43,529 --> 00:06:44,862 - Hey! [chuckles] - Right here, Tone. 117 00:06:44,863 --> 00:06:45,947 Ciao, baby! 118 00:06:45,948 --> 00:06:47,365 You got this. 119 00:06:47,366 --> 00:06:49,951 Yeah, I'm the maniac. I'm the fuckin' maniac. 120 00:06:49,952 --> 00:06:51,702 We're in the home stretch, baby! 121 00:06:51,703 --> 00:06:53,330 [man] You be strong. 122 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:58,251 - Mr. Fred Heckman. - Tony. 123 00:06:58,252 --> 00:06:59,919 Great to see you in the flesh. 124 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:01,879 Gonna be a hell of a show. 125 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,006 Hell of a show. 126 00:07:04,383 --> 00:07:06,468 [clamoring] 127 00:07:08,804 --> 00:07:11,013 [Tony] Get the hell out of the way! 128 00:07:11,014 --> 00:07:12,891 Get out of the way! 129 00:07:15,477 --> 00:07:18,062 Get out of the way! 130 00:07:18,063 --> 00:07:19,982 Get the hell out of the way! 131 00:07:22,484 --> 00:07:24,110 [camera clicks] 132 00:07:24,111 --> 00:07:26,320 Turn the goddamn cameras on! 133 00:07:26,321 --> 00:07:28,865 I'm gonna show you something! 134 00:07:28,866 --> 00:07:30,200 Read that, pal! Read it! 135 00:07:31,702 --> 00:07:33,661 Turn the cameras on, all three channels! 136 00:07:33,662 --> 00:07:34,912 Hold it, hold it! 137 00:07:34,913 --> 00:07:36,873 I've been called a kidnapper, 138 00:07:36,874 --> 00:07:38,624 an extortionist, 139 00:07:38,625 --> 00:07:40,209 a thug, and everything else! 140 00:07:40,210 --> 00:07:42,712 I want it on all three national channels! 141 00:07:42,713 --> 00:07:44,881 I've got friends all over the country! 142 00:07:44,882 --> 00:07:46,465 Where's Fred Heckman? - Right here, Tony. 143 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:47,508 Right here. - Get over here! 144 00:07:47,509 --> 00:07:49,135 Come here, Fred! Come here, Fred. 145 00:07:49,136 --> 00:07:50,303 Why so shy? 146 00:07:50,304 --> 00:07:51,429 [laughs] Come here! 147 00:07:51,430 --> 00:07:53,014 Look at this guy! 148 00:07:53,015 --> 00:07:55,516 You guys with them Kodaks, get the hell outta the way! 149 00:07:55,517 --> 00:07:57,018 Listen. 150 00:07:57,019 --> 00:07:59,145 This gentleman here is with WIBC. 151 00:07:59,146 --> 00:08:01,522 Without his unbiased reporting, 152 00:08:01,523 --> 00:08:03,274 with-without the fairness of his company, 153 00:08:03,275 --> 00:08:05,735 WIBC in Indianapolis, 154 00:08:05,736 --> 00:08:09,030 I would be considered a goddamn thug today. 155 00:08:09,031 --> 00:08:10,698 I owe everything to this man. 156 00:08:10,699 --> 00:08:12,241 [quietly] Fred Heckman has joined Tony Kiritsis, 157 00:08:12,242 --> 00:08:14,535 by his side. 158 00:08:14,536 --> 00:08:16,871 Now, you guys be... be good and quiet, 159 00:08:16,872 --> 00:08:18,915 and let this gentleman read that. 160 00:08:18,916 --> 00:08:22,210 Goddamn near made me blow his goddamn brains out. 161 00:08:22,211 --> 00:08:23,961 Hold it, hold it! Hold it. We got all three goin'? 162 00:08:23,962 --> 00:08:26,255 All three n-nationals? 163 00:08:26,256 --> 00:08:27,298 - Yeah. - Yeah? Okay. 164 00:08:27,299 --> 00:08:28,674 [Tony] Put it on him, pal. 165 00:08:28,675 --> 00:08:30,218 We're partners in this. - [quietly] It appears 166 00:08:30,219 --> 00:08:32,094 that Dick Hall is going to read a prepared statement. 167 00:08:32,095 --> 00:08:33,679 [Tony] Read it! Wait-wait-wait! Wait. 168 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:35,473 Where's-where's Chief Gallagher? 169 00:08:35,474 --> 00:08:36,891 Right here, Tony. 170 00:08:36,892 --> 00:08:38,017 [Tony] Chief, I got some good news for you, 171 00:08:38,018 --> 00:08:39,185 and I hope you take it well. 172 00:08:39,186 --> 00:08:41,604 All I had in them bottles was gasoline. 173 00:08:41,605 --> 00:08:43,648 I just wanted to fry the son of a bitch, 174 00:08:43,649 --> 00:08:46,400 but I had it rigged, pal. 175 00:08:46,401 --> 00:08:47,527 Now, read it! 176 00:08:50,155 --> 00:08:51,280 [Dick clears his throat] 177 00:08:51,281 --> 00:08:53,367 "February 10th, 1977. 178 00:08:54,868 --> 00:08:57,411 This statement is being made 179 00:08:57,412 --> 00:09:01,499 to try and state the items that Mr. Kiritsis... 180 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:04,126 alludes to... 181 00:09:04,127 --> 00:09:05,711 as being illegal..." - No, no, no. No-no-no-no. 182 00:09:05,712 --> 00:09:07,046 You're not doing it right. 183 00:09:07,047 --> 00:09:08,673 I... you know, I want this thing understood. 184 00:09:08,674 --> 00:09:10,133 [chuckles] I'll read it. 185 00:09:12,219 --> 00:09:14,679 "February 10th, 1977..." 186 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:16,180 I-I need a glass of water. 187 00:09:16,181 --> 00:09:17,640 Uh, can we... grab us some water? 188 00:09:17,641 --> 00:09:19,809 Whoever's closest, just a cup of water. 189 00:09:19,810 --> 00:09:21,477 [Tony] "This statement is being made 190 00:09:21,478 --> 00:09:24,522 to try and state the items that Mr. Kiritsis alludes..." 191 00:09:24,523 --> 00:09:25,982 and I don't like that word. 192 00:09:25,983 --> 00:09:27,984 I-I charge, and they've admitted it... 193 00:09:27,985 --> 00:09:29,527 [Dick gasps and groans] 194 00:09:29,528 --> 00:09:30,903 [crowd gasping] 195 00:09:30,904 --> 00:09:32,780 "...requesting that the loan be paid in full. 196 00:09:32,781 --> 00:09:33,698 Of course, if..." 197 00:09:33,699 --> 00:09:34,782 [Fred] Take this up there. 198 00:09:34,783 --> 00:09:36,284 Get it up there quick. 199 00:09:36,285 --> 00:09:38,704 [Tony] "...not paid by August 1, 1977, parentheses... 200 00:09:40,998 --> 00:09:44,375 This lease negotiation approved the Kiritsis site 201 00:09:44,376 --> 00:09:46,585 and had a deferent... definite interest in building there." 202 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:49,213 Here, Tony. Here's the water for you. 203 00:09:49,214 --> 00:09:50,673 [drinking] 204 00:09:50,674 --> 00:09:52,091 Oh! 205 00:09:52,092 --> 00:09:53,134 Thank you, Fred. 206 00:09:53,135 --> 00:09:55,261 Good guy. 207 00:09:55,262 --> 00:09:57,388 "We show Eisner-Osco other sites, 208 00:09:57,389 --> 00:09:58,723 but to date, 209 00:09:58,724 --> 00:10:00,224 they have not made any commitments, 210 00:10:00,225 --> 00:10:02,059 to the best of our knowledge. 211 00:10:02,060 --> 00:10:03,686 Number two..." 212 00:10:03,687 --> 00:10:07,023 Now, listen, Eisner-Osco was my tenant, by the way. 213 00:10:07,024 --> 00:10:08,232 They were my tenant. 214 00:10:08,233 --> 00:10:10,401 Remember all... remember that! 215 00:10:10,402 --> 00:10:13,362 "We also showed them other sites. 216 00:10:13,363 --> 00:10:14,530 It is our understanding 217 00:10:14,531 --> 00:10:17,116 that Marsh built on another site, 218 00:10:17,117 --> 00:10:18,492 which we had nothing to do with." 219 00:10:18,493 --> 00:10:20,120 That's 'cause they couldn't steal 'em. 220 00:10:21,496 --> 00:10:22,247 Right, Walt? 221 00:10:24,333 --> 00:10:26,877 [Tony starts laughing] 222 00:10:30,756 --> 00:10:32,965 This trooper right here, hell of a good friend of mine. 223 00:10:32,966 --> 00:10:34,592 Come here, Walt. 224 00:10:34,593 --> 00:10:37,053 Hell of a guy. I got a lot of... lot of friends here. 225 00:10:37,054 --> 00:10:40,306 He's seen me... He's seen me... 226 00:10:40,307 --> 00:10:41,557 ...almost every night, almost every night, 227 00:10:41,558 --> 00:10:43,517 for three or four years, 228 00:10:43,518 --> 00:10:45,186 at a couple restaurants around here, 229 00:10:45,187 --> 00:10:46,645 having coffee. 230 00:10:46,646 --> 00:10:48,773 He always wondered what was wrong. 231 00:10:48,774 --> 00:10:49,900 Now he knows. 232 00:10:52,486 --> 00:10:53,862 Hell of a cop. Good cop. 233 00:10:55,530 --> 00:10:56,989 Whoa, whoa, whoa! Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... 234 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:57,907 Shit! 235 00:10:57,908 --> 00:10:58,909 [cocking gun] 236 00:11:02,287 --> 00:11:04,163 [Tony] Where's that goddamn thing? 237 00:11:04,164 --> 00:11:05,706 [Fred] I'll get it for you. Tony, let me get it for you. 238 00:11:05,707 --> 00:11:07,334 There you go. There you go. 239 00:11:09,294 --> 00:11:11,921 Shoot. - [Tony] That's okay. 240 00:11:11,922 --> 00:11:13,297 Fred, you got that all wet. 241 00:11:13,298 --> 00:11:14,256 - Oh, I'm sorry. - [Tony chuckles] 242 00:11:14,257 --> 00:11:15,716 You guys, it's all wet! 243 00:11:15,717 --> 00:11:17,176 [laughter] 244 00:11:17,177 --> 00:11:18,719 These guys! 245 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,679 This is Fred Heckman. 246 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:23,432 [flashbulbs popping] 247 00:11:23,433 --> 00:11:27,229 [jaunty instrumental version of "Cheek to Cheek" plays] 248 00:11:29,398 --> 00:11:34,653 [music continues] 249 00:11:39,408 --> 00:11:43,578 [music continues] 250 00:11:46,998 --> 00:11:49,417 ...this brave young man and his father would have said 251 00:11:49,418 --> 00:11:51,127 is that they said, "Hey, listen, Tony. 252 00:11:51,128 --> 00:11:53,712 Here's what we're gonna do. Here's what we're gonna do. 253 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:55,214 Because you're a nice fellow, 254 00:11:55,215 --> 00:11:56,799 because we really love you, 255 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,009 because we would never wanna do anything to hurt you, 256 00:11:59,010 --> 00:12:00,302 we're gonna keep the cream. 257 00:12:00,303 --> 00:12:03,472 We're gonna keep the front 10 acres for $130,000, 258 00:12:03,473 --> 00:12:06,016 and you can keep the back seven, where all the hogs shit." 259 00:12:06,017 --> 00:12:07,394 [crowd chuckling] 260 00:12:09,354 --> 00:12:10,813 Pardon my language, ladies and gentlemen. 261 00:12:10,814 --> 00:12:12,940 I curse 'cause it's good for my ulcer. I don't have one! 262 00:12:12,941 --> 00:12:14,483 - [crowd laughing] - Where's my attorney? 263 00:12:14,484 --> 00:12:15,734 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... 264 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:17,486 [Fred] Guys. Let's give him some space. 265 00:12:17,487 --> 00:12:18,446 - [Tony] Back up, back up! - [Fred] Give him some space. 266 00:12:18,447 --> 00:12:20,656 I'm holdin' a fucking shotgun, guys! 267 00:12:20,657 --> 00:12:22,784 [firing] 268 00:12:25,287 --> 00:12:27,496 [ringing in ears] 269 00:12:27,497 --> 00:12:29,123 [ringing ends abruptly] 270 00:12:29,124 --> 00:12:31,542 [Tony] Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Give me some room! 271 00:12:31,543 --> 00:12:33,335 I'm holding a fuckin' shotgun! 272 00:12:33,336 --> 00:12:35,588 But I'm cool. I'm cool. 273 00:12:35,589 --> 00:12:37,798 You ain't seen me shake no place. 274 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:39,175 [statement rustling] 275 00:12:39,176 --> 00:12:40,426 The only thing waggin' is my tongue, 276 00:12:40,427 --> 00:12:42,720 and that never gets tired when I'm mad. 277 00:12:42,721 --> 00:12:44,347 Walt, pull my pants up. 278 00:12:45,807 --> 00:12:47,808 [laughs] Pull my pants up, Walt! 279 00:12:47,809 --> 00:12:49,394 [laughter spreads] 280 00:12:51,104 --> 00:12:53,439 [chuckling continues] 281 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,940 Where's Chuck Wilson? 282 00:12:54,941 --> 00:12:56,275 Where's Ruckelshaus? 283 00:12:56,276 --> 00:12:57,985 [man] Back here. 284 00:12:57,986 --> 00:12:59,862 Tony, we're-we're right here. 285 00:12:59,863 --> 00:13:01,322 [Tony chuckles] There he is. 286 00:13:01,323 --> 00:13:02,364 There he is, that son of a bitch. 287 00:13:02,365 --> 00:13:03,991 Well, where you been? 288 00:13:03,992 --> 00:13:05,826 Well, you're awful bashful tonight. 289 00:13:05,827 --> 00:13:08,370 Not usual, when you want your attorney's fees. 290 00:13:08,371 --> 00:13:10,372 Well, uh... I'm the shy one. 291 00:13:10,373 --> 00:13:12,124 [Tony] Oh, man. You know, I came down here. 292 00:13:12,125 --> 00:13:13,751 I-I shaved before I came down here. 293 00:13:13,752 --> 00:13:14,960 You didn't even come up. 294 00:13:14,961 --> 00:13:16,712 Get that goddamn thing done! 295 00:13:16,713 --> 00:13:18,172 We're-we're on that right now, Tony. 296 00:13:18,173 --> 00:13:19,256 Heading there right now. 297 00:13:19,257 --> 00:13:20,341 [Tony] Listen. Hey, listen, Ruck. 298 00:13:20,342 --> 00:13:21,342 If you weren't such a good lawyer, 299 00:13:21,343 --> 00:13:22,218 I don't know what I'd do without you. 300 00:13:22,219 --> 00:13:24,678 Tony, You look great. 301 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,138 [Tony] Thank you. 302 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:27,515 [Fred mouths words] 303 00:13:27,516 --> 00:13:30,392 [Tony] I'm the man they called a goddamn kidnapper! 304 00:13:30,393 --> 00:13:33,271 I'm a goddamn national hero, and don't you forget it. 305 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:38,984 [Wilson] Rucks! 306 00:13:38,985 --> 00:13:41,196 Rucks, where are you going? 307 00:13:42,906 --> 00:13:45,366 Hey, what are we gonna do? 308 00:13:45,367 --> 00:13:47,201 Hypothetically, this might be the kind of thing 309 00:13:47,202 --> 00:13:50,621 that the bar might disapprove of, you know? 310 00:13:50,622 --> 00:13:52,791 Rucks? Hey, listen to me. 311 00:13:54,209 --> 00:13:55,042 What are we gonna do? 312 00:13:55,043 --> 00:13:56,377 "We"? 313 00:13:56,378 --> 00:13:57,711 Um... 314 00:13:57,712 --> 00:14:00,381 This, my friend, is where we... 315 00:14:00,382 --> 00:14:01,925 part ways. 316 00:14:04,761 --> 00:14:06,346 What do you mean, Rucks? 317 00:14:08,139 --> 00:14:09,307 [Wilson] Rucks! 318 00:14:16,648 --> 00:14:18,107 [Tony] Where's Jimmie? 319 00:14:18,108 --> 00:14:19,275 [Fred] Uh, Jimmie's on his way. 320 00:14:19,276 --> 00:14:20,734 Where's my brother Jimmie? 321 00:14:20,735 --> 00:14:22,361 He's on his way, Tony. All right? He's-he's coming. 322 00:14:22,362 --> 00:14:24,446 I love that man. He's a hell of a... 323 00:14:24,447 --> 00:14:26,031 Hell of a guy! Hell of a good guy. 324 00:14:26,032 --> 00:14:27,825 I know a lot of good people. 325 00:14:27,826 --> 00:14:30,744 You know, I-I got some friends... 326 00:14:30,745 --> 00:14:32,746 that might be watching this in various places, 327 00:14:32,747 --> 00:14:34,373 and I want them to know that... 328 00:14:34,374 --> 00:14:36,959 that I'm not trying to be funny. 329 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,794 I never liked notoriety, 330 00:14:38,795 --> 00:14:40,672 and I... and I don't like it any more tonight. 331 00:14:43,133 --> 00:14:45,759 My aunt in Akron, Ohio, 332 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,303 and my cousins... 333 00:14:47,304 --> 00:14:49,096 and I got some damn good Greek friends 334 00:14:49,097 --> 00:14:50,472 in the state of Florida, 335 00:14:50,473 --> 00:14:52,517 and some people that I was in the Army... 336 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:58,272 I was in the Army with in New England, 337 00:14:58,273 --> 00:15:00,482 and the good people of Indianapolis... 338 00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:04,862 I want them to know that, by God, I was right... 339 00:15:04,863 --> 00:15:06,780 and this damn well oughta prove it! 340 00:15:06,781 --> 00:15:08,449 [Jimmie cries] 341 00:15:08,450 --> 00:15:11,285 I did... you don't have to be ashamed, 342 00:15:11,286 --> 00:15:13,787 and I was terrified that I embarrassed... 343 00:15:13,788 --> 00:15:14,914 [shutters snapping] 344 00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:20,919 And I... and I have to... I have to apologize 345 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,546 to this man's family. 346 00:15:22,547 --> 00:15:24,673 I'm sorry, Dick. I'm sorry. 347 00:15:24,674 --> 00:15:28,052 I'm sorry I humiliated him this... in this way. 348 00:15:28,053 --> 00:15:29,720 [quietly] Hey... Tony, you okay? 349 00:15:29,721 --> 00:15:32,556 [Tony] Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm steady. 350 00:15:32,557 --> 00:15:34,725 [cameras snapping] 351 00:15:34,726 --> 00:15:37,811 And I cry all the time. 352 00:15:37,812 --> 00:15:40,481 It makes the ladies like me. They think I'm gentle. 353 00:15:40,482 --> 00:15:42,484 [all chuckling] 354 00:15:46,237 --> 00:15:48,030 Why don't we get you someplace a little cooler, huh, Tony? 355 00:15:48,031 --> 00:15:49,281 - Yeah. - Maybe we'll... 356 00:15:49,282 --> 00:15:50,866 we'll go back to that little back... backroom? 357 00:15:50,867 --> 00:15:52,451 [Tony] Yeah. Come on, Dick. Come on. 358 00:15:52,452 --> 00:15:53,869 We'll get you to the nice, cool room. 359 00:15:53,870 --> 00:15:54,913 Maybe you could sit down, and we'll wait for Jimmie. 360 00:15:56,665 --> 00:15:58,123 [murmuring] 361 00:15:58,124 --> 00:15:59,792 - There you go, pal. - Yeah. Shit. 362 00:15:59,793 --> 00:16:01,126 [Ben] What are you doing? 363 00:16:01,127 --> 00:16:02,670 "Peaceful resolution," remember? 364 00:16:02,671 --> 00:16:03,629 [Ben] It's on. It's recording. 365 00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:05,547 [Fred] Thank you. Thank you. 366 00:16:05,548 --> 00:16:09,009 [Ben] He's moving off with Fred Heckman. 367 00:16:09,010 --> 00:16:10,260 They're going around the corner. 368 00:16:10,261 --> 00:16:11,970 He says he wants to go somewhere 369 00:16:11,971 --> 00:16:13,681 cooler... rather... 370 00:16:13,682 --> 00:16:15,224 um, I repeat, 371 00:16:15,225 --> 00:16:16,558 Tony Kiritsis, 372 00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:18,644 who still has the deadman's line 373 00:16:18,645 --> 00:16:20,813 around his hostage, Dick Hall... 374 00:16:20,814 --> 00:16:23,399 they are behind closed doors. 375 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,025 For now, we wait. 376 00:16:25,026 --> 00:16:26,986 - [door opens] - [reporters shouting] 377 00:16:30,699 --> 00:16:32,825 You have a Superior Court judge 378 00:16:32,826 --> 00:16:34,618 lined up to oversee his bail hearing when this is done? 379 00:16:34,619 --> 00:16:36,161 That's correct. 380 00:16:36,162 --> 00:16:37,621 No fucking argument about bail. 381 00:16:37,622 --> 00:16:39,082 The judge watches the news. 382 00:16:41,418 --> 00:16:43,294 [clock ticking] 383 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:48,590 Because we cannot afford to fucking fuck this up, 384 00:16:48,591 --> 00:16:49,800 or we're fucked. 385 00:16:49,801 --> 00:16:52,428 Yeah. I'm aware of that, Gene. 386 00:16:52,429 --> 00:16:54,681 [clock ticking] 387 00:17:00,979 --> 00:17:02,856 [media clamoring] 388 00:17:04,482 --> 00:17:05,650 - [man] God damn it! - [door closing] 389 00:17:14,409 --> 00:17:15,201 [knocking] 390 00:17:18,580 --> 00:17:19,956 Change of plans. 391 00:17:28,006 --> 00:17:31,675 [indistinct chatter] 392 00:17:31,676 --> 00:17:34,637 [intriguing music] 393 00:17:44,147 --> 00:17:45,857 [quiet conversations] 394 00:17:54,866 --> 00:17:59,621 [intriguing music] 395 00:18:03,041 --> 00:18:05,334 [quiet conversations] 396 00:18:05,335 --> 00:18:07,169 [gunshot fires] 397 00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:09,296 [Tony] Fuck, yeah! 398 00:18:09,297 --> 00:18:11,006 [laughing] 399 00:18:11,007 --> 00:18:13,675 I've been wanting to do that for three days! 400 00:18:13,676 --> 00:18:15,093 [laughs] Oh, shit. 401 00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:17,054 - [door bangs open] - On the ground! 402 00:18:17,055 --> 00:18:18,555 [Tony] No, no, no! 403 00:18:18,556 --> 00:18:21,975 Unh! I have immunity! I have immunity! 404 00:18:21,976 --> 00:18:22,935 Bag it. 405 00:18:22,936 --> 00:18:24,478 I have immunity! 406 00:18:24,479 --> 00:18:26,980 You voided the deal when you came down armed, Tony. 407 00:18:26,981 --> 00:18:28,483 I have immunity! 408 00:18:30,276 --> 00:18:33,196 [Tony] You were never gonna give it to me anyways, were you? 409 00:18:34,697 --> 00:18:36,199 [Tony rages] 410 00:18:41,579 --> 00:18:43,248 Did you know about this? 411 00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:48,210 [Tony] Did you know about this? 412 00:18:48,211 --> 00:18:49,837 [distant siren wailing] 413 00:18:49,838 --> 00:18:51,214 [Gallagher] Take him. 414 00:18:53,550 --> 00:18:55,551 [Tony groans] 415 00:18:55,552 --> 00:18:59,764 - [flashes popping] - [reporters clamoring] 416 00:19:06,813 --> 00:19:09,314 [commotion continues] 417 00:19:09,315 --> 00:19:11,901 [reporters clamoring] 418 00:19:16,322 --> 00:19:17,698 Fred! 419 00:19:17,699 --> 00:19:20,201 [reporters continue shouting] 420 00:19:21,995 --> 00:19:24,621 [melancholic music] 421 00:19:24,622 --> 00:19:28,543 [crowd clamoring] 422 00:19:30,336 --> 00:19:32,005 [reporter] How are you feeling, Tony? 423 00:19:37,093 --> 00:19:39,637 [melancholic music] 424 00:19:47,228 --> 00:19:49,981 [siren wailing] 425 00:19:52,442 --> 00:19:54,694 [reporters clamoring] 426 00:20:20,303 --> 00:20:22,054 {\an8}[Fred] After 68 hours, 427 00:20:22,055 --> 00:20:24,222 {\an8}this crisis has peacefully ended. 428 00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:26,600 {\an8}Richard Hall has been discharged from the hospital, 429 00:20:26,601 --> 00:20:28,185 {\an8}and is now resting comfortably 430 00:20:28,186 --> 00:20:30,020 {\an8}at home with his wife and children. 431 00:20:30,021 --> 00:20:31,730 {\an8}The pre-trial hearing of Anthony Kiritsis 432 00:20:31,731 --> 00:20:33,357 {\an8}will begin today in Superior Court 5. 433 00:20:33,358 --> 00:20:35,192 {\an8}Judge Michael Dugan will sit as a replacement 434 00:20:35,193 --> 00:20:37,277 {\an8}for Judge John Tranberg of Criminal Court. 435 00:20:37,278 --> 00:20:38,820 Kiritsis is being held in jail 436 00:20:38,821 --> 00:20:39,905 on charges of kidnapping, 437 00:20:39,906 --> 00:20:40,989 armed extortion, 438 00:20:40,990 --> 00:20:42,407 and armed robbery. 439 00:20:42,408 --> 00:20:44,576 Kiritsis is contesting the state's right 440 00:20:44,577 --> 00:20:46,912 to prosecute him, as there was... 441 00:20:46,913 --> 00:20:49,331 ...an immunity agreement in place. 442 00:20:49,332 --> 00:20:51,583 Kiritsis may also raise questions 443 00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:53,251 of improper collusion with his attorneys 444 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:55,295 John Ruckelshaus and Charles Wilson 445 00:20:55,296 --> 00:20:58,131 and the District Attorneys during this crisis. 446 00:20:58,132 --> 00:20:59,841 The time is 9:25. 447 00:20:59,842 --> 00:21:02,177 Coming up, sports highlights, followed by the Farm Report, 448 00:21:02,178 --> 00:21:03,512 and at the top of the hour, 449 00:21:03,513 --> 00:21:04,721 a lucky listener's chance to play 450 00:21:04,722 --> 00:21:05,973 "Break the Bank" and win. 451 00:21:05,974 --> 00:21:07,474 This is WIBC. 452 00:21:07,475 --> 00:21:11,103 [jingle playing] ♪ W-I... WIBC ♪ 453 00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:13,772 ♪ Take your morning drive ♪ 454 00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:18,026 ♪ And divide by the number of your fresh cups of coffee ♪ 455 00:21:18,027 --> 00:21:20,821 ♪ Multiply by the time at the... ♪ 456 00:21:20,822 --> 00:21:22,614 Ginny, anything yet? 457 00:21:22,615 --> 00:21:24,950 Indiana Bell's still not talking. 458 00:21:24,951 --> 00:21:26,410 Did you try the secretaries? 459 00:21:26,411 --> 00:21:27,703 [Ginny] I even bought Tupperware from two of them. 460 00:21:27,704 --> 00:21:28,829 They are pretty tight-lipped, 461 00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:30,706 but I have a lead on a former employee 462 00:21:30,707 --> 00:21:31,873 who was there during the crisis. 463 00:21:31,874 --> 00:21:33,875 Uh, allegedly, not confirmed. 464 00:21:33,876 --> 00:21:36,378 Well, I think she's gonna talk, so maybe not allegedly at all. 465 00:21:36,379 --> 00:21:37,880 - Oh, I stand corrected. - [phone ringing] 466 00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:41,383 So, nothing concrete yet. 467 00:21:41,384 --> 00:21:43,135 [he sighs] 468 00:21:43,136 --> 00:21:46,471 Sure would love to just plant a seed. 469 00:21:46,472 --> 00:21:48,181 Saying what? 470 00:21:48,182 --> 00:21:50,600 Talk about the existence of illegal wiretap tapes 471 00:21:50,601 --> 00:21:52,020 on a broadcast? 472 00:21:53,938 --> 00:21:55,565 [deep breath] 473 00:21:58,067 --> 00:21:59,693 Big day today. 474 00:21:59,694 --> 00:22:00,570 Yeah. 475 00:22:02,071 --> 00:22:04,698 Any idea what Tony's going to ask you? 476 00:22:04,699 --> 00:22:07,242 Probably why I lied to him about a fake immunity deal 477 00:22:07,243 --> 00:22:08,493 on the radio. 478 00:22:08,494 --> 00:22:09,745 What are you gonna say? 479 00:22:09,746 --> 00:22:12,122 I don't know. 480 00:22:12,123 --> 00:22:13,415 Sure would be great 481 00:22:13,416 --> 00:22:14,583 if we could get our hands on those tapes 482 00:22:14,584 --> 00:22:15,959 before I go on the record, though. 483 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,422 You know, it's interesting about this Judge Dugan. 484 00:22:20,423 --> 00:22:23,301 He's very ambitious, eyes on the Mayor's Office. 485 00:22:24,844 --> 00:22:26,720 I mean, someone like Dugan needs the support 486 00:22:26,721 --> 00:22:28,555 of the cops and the... the lawyers 487 00:22:28,556 --> 00:22:30,057 and the D.A.s. 488 00:22:30,058 --> 00:22:31,392 He sure does. 489 00:22:34,771 --> 00:22:40,317 Uh, oh. Um, I got a call from a Ralph Bass from CBS. 490 00:22:40,318 --> 00:22:41,943 Any idea what that's about? 491 00:22:41,944 --> 00:22:43,236 I have a feeling 492 00:22:43,237 --> 00:22:44,905 someone's about to offer you a very nice job. 493 00:22:44,906 --> 00:22:47,866 Meeting! I need you upstairs. Very important. 494 00:22:47,867 --> 00:22:49,410 Very important! Need you upstairs. 495 00:22:50,828 --> 00:22:52,788 He wants to make a movie. 496 00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:54,539 The meat, the bones, 497 00:22:54,540 --> 00:22:57,501 the lifeblood of this Tony Kiritsis saga... 498 00:22:57,502 --> 00:22:59,419 the standoff, that wild press conference. 499 00:22:59,420 --> 00:23:00,587 Fred, you could play yourself! 500 00:23:00,588 --> 00:23:03,673 Uh, perhaps Fred could be a consultant. 501 00:23:03,674 --> 00:23:05,634 And I could promote the hell outta this, and WIBC. 502 00:23:05,635 --> 00:23:06,927 We could even have the premiere here in town 503 00:23:06,928 --> 00:23:08,095 at the, uh, uh... 504 00:23:08,096 --> 00:23:09,554 Pam, what's the big theater on...? 505 00:23:09,555 --> 00:23:10,847 - Eastwood! - The Eastwood, exactly. 506 00:23:10,848 --> 00:23:13,266 Picture this, your name up in the big lights. 507 00:23:13,267 --> 00:23:14,726 Nice to meet you. 508 00:23:14,727 --> 00:23:15,937 - Okay. - All right, just one second. 509 00:23:17,355 --> 00:23:18,980 Jesus, Fred! Help me out here. 510 00:23:18,981 --> 00:23:20,732 We don't have time for this, Jerry, okay? 511 00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:22,275 We have a lead on the wiretap story. 512 00:23:22,276 --> 00:23:24,111 Oh, is it someone with aluminum foil on their head, 513 00:23:24,112 --> 00:23:25,529 or is it a real lead? 514 00:23:25,530 --> 00:23:27,739 Because I'm starting to worry about you, Fred. 515 00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:29,074 You sound like a loon, 516 00:23:29,075 --> 00:23:31,201 going on and on about these tapes. 517 00:23:31,202 --> 00:23:33,995 You need to get your head on straight, man! Look. 518 00:23:33,996 --> 00:23:37,082 Think of the ratings we could get with this cross-marketing. 519 00:23:37,083 --> 00:23:39,501 Let Tony go to jail or the nuthouse. 520 00:23:39,502 --> 00:23:41,378 This is a real movie, 521 00:23:41,379 --> 00:23:42,879 and you're the fucking hero! 522 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,131 You saved the day! 523 00:23:44,132 --> 00:23:45,758 That's the story. 524 00:23:47,218 --> 00:23:48,510 Hey-hey-hey! Okay. 525 00:23:48,511 --> 00:23:49,761 [director] Are we okay? 526 00:23:49,762 --> 00:23:50,554 [Jerry] Oh, yeah, there's always gonna be 527 00:23:50,555 --> 00:23:51,638 little bumps, but, uh... 528 00:23:51,639 --> 00:23:52,931 [director] It's gonna happen? 529 00:23:52,932 --> 00:23:54,307 [M.L. Hall] I know why you're here. 530 00:23:54,308 --> 00:23:56,476 I know you want an exclusive, 531 00:23:56,477 --> 00:24:00,856 a WIBC exclusive. 532 00:24:00,857 --> 00:24:03,359 Let me tell you why you're not gonna get it. 533 00:24:04,735 --> 00:24:07,571 Barbara Walters. 534 00:24:07,572 --> 00:24:09,906 She currently is considered 535 00:24:09,907 --> 00:24:12,659 the best, most exciting interviewer in the country, 536 00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:15,745 she pulls higher ratings than anyone, so... 537 00:24:15,746 --> 00:24:18,291 to Barbara Walters we go! 538 00:24:20,751 --> 00:24:22,836 Meridian Mortgage 539 00:24:22,837 --> 00:24:27,549 will finally get to right the reeling havoc 540 00:24:27,550 --> 00:24:29,426 you and your ilk 541 00:24:29,427 --> 00:24:31,887 perpetrated against this fine American company 542 00:24:31,888 --> 00:24:33,346 and my family. 543 00:24:33,347 --> 00:24:34,681 Uh, Mr. Hall... 544 00:24:34,682 --> 00:24:35,683 [M.L.] I'm not finished. 545 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,352 You'll not receive access 546 00:24:39,353 --> 00:24:41,188 to me or to Dick 547 00:24:41,189 --> 00:24:45,275 or to any other Meridian employee. 548 00:24:45,276 --> 00:24:48,528 Uh, did, uh... Angie offer you a drink? 549 00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:50,780 [Fred] Yeah, yes. She-she... she sure did. 550 00:24:50,781 --> 00:24:52,157 Uh, we just, Mr. Hall, 551 00:24:52,158 --> 00:24:54,201 thank you again for taking this time. 552 00:24:54,202 --> 00:24:56,119 We just have a few followup questions for Dick. 553 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,997 Uh, Dick's indisposed at the moment. 554 00:24:58,998 --> 00:25:01,875 He's getting a shave and a haircut 555 00:25:01,876 --> 00:25:06,254 before he flies the friendly TWA skies 556 00:25:06,255 --> 00:25:08,215 for a glorious interview. 557 00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:10,175 Any questions, you can ask me. 558 00:25:10,176 --> 00:25:11,552 [Ben] Oh. Well, what's next? 559 00:25:13,137 --> 00:25:14,721 Well, like I said... 560 00:25:14,722 --> 00:25:17,307 Sorry, s-sorry. I-I meant for the land, 561 00:25:17,308 --> 00:25:19,059 for the 17 acres. 562 00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:21,770 Some sort of sheriff sale, right, M.L.? 563 00:25:21,771 --> 00:25:23,063 Something like that. 564 00:25:23,064 --> 00:25:24,606 [Ben] Hmm. 565 00:25:24,607 --> 00:25:26,483 And what are your thoughts 566 00:25:26,484 --> 00:25:28,027 on Mr. Kiritsis' pretrial today? 567 00:25:30,029 --> 00:25:32,113 Throw that small imp of a man in prison 568 00:25:32,114 --> 00:25:33,657 and throw away the key. 569 00:25:33,658 --> 00:25:34,866 He doesn't deserve my thoughts, 570 00:25:34,867 --> 00:25:37,619 my time, or a trial. 571 00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:38,829 [Ben] Interesting. 572 00:25:40,706 --> 00:25:43,250 Oh, I would just think 573 00:25:43,251 --> 00:25:46,836 that you, of all people, 574 00:25:46,837 --> 00:25:51,341 uh, someone who's been through the legal system himself 575 00:25:51,342 --> 00:25:53,593 and-and been convicted of a felony for fraud, 576 00:25:53,594 --> 00:25:56,429 you would understand a man's need for a fair trial. 577 00:25:56,430 --> 00:25:57,597 [Fred] Now, Ben, I don't think 578 00:25:57,598 --> 00:26:00,016 there's any reason to insult Mr. Hall. 579 00:26:00,017 --> 00:26:01,935 Apologies, M.L. 580 00:26:01,936 --> 00:26:04,354 It's all right, Fred. 581 00:26:04,355 --> 00:26:05,731 Let him do his worst. 582 00:26:12,947 --> 00:26:15,490 You think you know everything, don't you? 583 00:26:15,491 --> 00:26:17,993 [Fred] I think we've overstayed our welcome. 584 00:26:17,994 --> 00:26:21,663 Yeah. Uh, good luck with the big interview tomorrow, 585 00:26:21,664 --> 00:26:23,290 and, uh, I apologize if there are any hard feelings 586 00:26:23,291 --> 00:26:25,166 due to our coverage. 587 00:26:25,167 --> 00:26:26,960 I have no doubt that under your leadership, 588 00:26:26,961 --> 00:26:30,589 Meridian will... regain its reputation. 589 00:26:32,049 --> 00:26:33,800 Thank you, Fred. 590 00:26:33,801 --> 00:26:35,802 Maybe we'll see you at the lodge. 591 00:26:35,803 --> 00:26:37,013 Maybe. 592 00:26:39,015 --> 00:26:41,016 And I wouldn't say anything like this on the air, 593 00:26:41,017 --> 00:26:44,394 but I thought your handling of the situation was commanding, 594 00:26:44,395 --> 00:26:47,397 b-but, say, there was one thing that I was wondering. 595 00:26:47,398 --> 00:26:49,816 When did you get wind of the fact 596 00:26:49,817 --> 00:26:51,401 that the promissory note was a hoax? 597 00:26:51,402 --> 00:26:53,695 Because that was a masterful move. 598 00:26:53,696 --> 00:26:55,196 [chuckling smugly] 599 00:26:55,197 --> 00:26:57,282 Well, I didn't need Chief Gallagher 600 00:26:57,283 --> 00:26:58,491 to tell me when he did, 601 00:26:58,492 --> 00:26:59,993 if that's what you're asking. 602 00:26:59,994 --> 00:27:02,120 I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday. 603 00:27:02,121 --> 00:27:04,205 So he told you during that first phone call, did he? 604 00:27:04,206 --> 00:27:06,416 Quite the vaudeville, if you ask me. 605 00:27:06,417 --> 00:27:08,919 Sure was. Thank you again. 606 00:27:14,008 --> 00:27:15,718 [door closing] 607 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,182 - [Ben] How'd I do? - [Fred] Pretty good. 608 00:27:24,435 --> 00:27:27,312 So we have confirmation, Gallagher called him. 609 00:27:27,313 --> 00:27:28,813 This was all in play from the beginning. 610 00:27:28,814 --> 00:27:30,523 Hmm. 611 00:27:30,524 --> 00:27:31,733 You're gonna do great. 612 00:27:31,734 --> 00:27:32,943 We're gonna get these guys. 613 00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:44,579 [Dick] Before this all ends, 614 00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:46,706 and I don't know what's gonna happen to us... 615 00:27:46,707 --> 00:27:48,250 well... 616 00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:54,131 I forgive you. 617 00:27:56,926 --> 00:27:59,011 I forgive you too. 618 00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:05,600 And you've got a free steak any time you come. 619 00:28:05,601 --> 00:28:06,977 Thanks, Tony. 620 00:28:13,984 --> 00:28:15,735 [groaning] Oh, God. 621 00:28:15,736 --> 00:28:18,446 [tape whirring] 622 00:28:18,447 --> 00:28:20,740 We're gonna be all right, right, Fred? 623 00:28:20,741 --> 00:28:22,326 We're gonna be okay? 624 00:28:24,245 --> 00:28:25,830 You are, Tony. 625 00:28:28,457 --> 00:28:30,376 What's gonna happen to us? 626 00:28:33,254 --> 00:28:34,170 [Tony] Always do a little soft-shoe 627 00:28:34,171 --> 00:28:36,131 before you enter a courthouse. 628 00:28:36,132 --> 00:28:37,674 Oh, that's cold. 629 00:28:37,675 --> 00:28:39,552 [chuckling] 630 00:28:46,809 --> 00:28:49,894 [Tony] There he is! 631 00:28:49,895 --> 00:28:52,272 I'm a celebrity in these parts now. 632 00:28:52,273 --> 00:28:55,401 They cut to me away from John Wayne. 633 00:28:57,611 --> 00:28:59,320 That's the truth. 634 00:28:59,321 --> 00:29:01,990 How many people can say that? 635 00:29:01,991 --> 00:29:03,367 [ringing] 636 00:29:05,202 --> 00:29:06,369 Heckman residence. 637 00:29:06,370 --> 00:29:07,495 - Hi. - Hi. 638 00:29:07,496 --> 00:29:09,038 How's the patient? 639 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,790 No more fever? 640 00:29:10,791 --> 00:29:13,001 No more fever. 641 00:29:13,002 --> 00:29:14,962 We were just having a nutritious lunch. 642 00:29:16,672 --> 00:29:17,797 Are you at the courthouse? 643 00:29:17,798 --> 00:29:20,341 Yeah, I just saw Tony walk by. 644 00:29:20,342 --> 00:29:22,927 Any luck on finding the tapes? 645 00:29:22,928 --> 00:29:25,972 Ginny might possibly have a lead. 646 00:29:25,973 --> 00:29:27,807 Are you worried about testifying? 647 00:29:27,808 --> 00:29:29,601 A lot of people are gonna be upset 648 00:29:29,602 --> 00:29:30,852 with what I have to say... 649 00:29:30,853 --> 00:29:32,354 important people. 650 00:29:34,064 --> 00:29:36,691 Once I testify, they'll know we're onto them. 651 00:29:36,692 --> 00:29:38,359 You afraid of us 652 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,487 losing our good standing at the country club? 653 00:29:40,488 --> 00:29:42,071 [he chuckles] 654 00:29:42,072 --> 00:29:43,698 I guess somethin' like that. 655 00:29:43,699 --> 00:29:45,825 We'll be okay. 656 00:29:45,826 --> 00:29:48,328 I'll talk to you later. I gotta go. 657 00:29:48,329 --> 00:29:49,371 [door opening] 658 00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:54,585 [hanging up] 659 00:29:58,923 --> 00:30:00,006 [Dugan] Who's in the galley? 660 00:30:00,007 --> 00:30:02,967 Uh, Martz? Rimstadt, D.A. Kelley? 661 00:30:02,968 --> 00:30:04,552 How's the press outside? 662 00:30:04,553 --> 00:30:06,471 Well, uh, I don't know. 663 00:30:06,472 --> 00:30:08,973 It's just a pretrial. 664 00:30:08,974 --> 00:30:10,141 Mm. 665 00:30:10,142 --> 00:30:12,352 It would be better for your campaign 666 00:30:12,353 --> 00:30:14,063 if it were a packed room. 667 00:30:15,689 --> 00:30:17,440 There. 668 00:30:17,441 --> 00:30:18,733 Fred Heckman's here. 669 00:30:18,734 --> 00:30:21,487 Oh? Oh, that's good. 670 00:30:23,572 --> 00:30:25,698 [gavel banging] 671 00:30:25,699 --> 00:30:28,743 Ladies and gentlemen, this is a pretrial hearing, 672 00:30:28,744 --> 00:30:32,080 State of Indiana versus Anthony G. Kiritsis. 673 00:30:32,081 --> 00:30:33,831 Its purpose will be to determine 674 00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:35,959 whether there is enough evidence in this case 675 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,585 to proceed with a full trial. 676 00:30:37,586 --> 00:30:39,964 Mr. Mullin, you may call your first witness. 677 00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:43,049 We would like to call Mr. John Ruckelshaus 678 00:30:43,050 --> 00:30:44,051 to the stand. 679 00:30:46,345 --> 00:30:47,428 [Dugan] All witnesses, please step outside. 680 00:30:47,429 --> 00:30:48,806 We'll call you in. 681 00:30:56,564 --> 00:30:58,022 Mr. Ruckelshaus, 682 00:30:58,023 --> 00:30:59,983 what was the nature of the negotiations 683 00:30:59,984 --> 00:31:02,193 you had with the Assistant District Attorneys 684 00:31:02,194 --> 00:31:03,653 Mr. Martz and Mr. Rimstadt? 685 00:31:03,654 --> 00:31:05,613 Well, about as standard as could be, 686 00:31:05,614 --> 00:31:08,199 considering the crisis we were in. 687 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,576 And did you have any sense 688 00:31:09,577 --> 00:31:10,785 that the immunity deal would not be honored? 689 00:31:10,786 --> 00:31:11,786 Absolutely not. 690 00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:13,454 Uh, i-if it's all right 691 00:31:13,455 --> 00:31:15,707 with you, Owen, a-and with you, Your Honor, 692 00:31:15,708 --> 00:31:18,668 uh, may I read from my record of events? 693 00:31:18,669 --> 00:31:20,086 [Dugan] I'll allow it. 694 00:31:20,087 --> 00:31:20,879 Sure, John. Go ahead. 695 00:31:22,715 --> 00:31:26,259 [Ruckelshaus] Okay. Uh, February 9th, 1977, 696 00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:28,970 at a meeting with A.D.A. Martz and A.D.A. Rimstadt, 697 00:31:28,971 --> 00:31:30,471 I said the following, quote, 698 00:31:30,472 --> 00:31:33,766 "The right to fair and zealous counsel is inalienable, 699 00:31:33,767 --> 00:31:37,520 no matter what Mr. Kiritsis may or may not have done. 700 00:31:37,521 --> 00:31:40,356 If you think for one second that myself or my co-counsel 701 00:31:40,357 --> 00:31:42,191 will act as anything other 702 00:31:42,192 --> 00:31:44,319 than Mr. Kiritsis's honest advocates, 703 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,446 think again." End quote. 704 00:31:46,447 --> 00:31:49,532 I then proceeded to demand complete criminal immunity, 705 00:31:49,533 --> 00:31:52,328 as Mr. Kiritsis directed. 706 00:31:55,122 --> 00:31:57,625 [Gallagher] Well, what a fucking day. 707 00:31:59,627 --> 00:32:02,211 No one got shot, no one died, 708 00:32:02,212 --> 00:32:04,047 and what do I get as my reward? 709 00:32:04,048 --> 00:32:05,757 This fucking lunatic, 710 00:32:05,758 --> 00:32:08,217 and this fucking pretrial motion. 711 00:32:08,218 --> 00:32:11,388 This is why people hate lawyers. 712 00:32:14,558 --> 00:32:16,226 You okay, Fred? 713 00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:21,606 Don't you think it's... odd 714 00:32:21,607 --> 00:32:23,900 that Tony's old lawyer 715 00:32:23,901 --> 00:32:26,236 and Tony's new lawyer are so cozy? 716 00:32:29,239 --> 00:32:31,366 Keep your eye on the ball, Fred. 717 00:32:31,367 --> 00:32:32,951 [lighter clicking] 718 00:32:38,415 --> 00:32:39,832 And your discussions with the A.D.A.s 719 00:32:39,833 --> 00:32:41,459 never touched on other matters 720 00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:43,503 outside the scope of Mr. Kiritsis's case? 721 00:32:43,504 --> 00:32:45,004 No, sir. 722 00:32:45,005 --> 00:32:46,756 And have you always held yourself to the ethics 723 00:32:46,757 --> 00:32:48,841 delineated by the Indianapolis State Bar? 724 00:32:48,842 --> 00:32:50,593 Yes, sir. 725 00:32:50,594 --> 00:32:53,179 Has anyone, Chief Gallagher or anyone at the D.A.'s office, 726 00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:54,889 ever suggested to you 727 00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:56,516 that they were not making the offer of immunity 728 00:32:56,517 --> 00:32:57,517 in good faith? 729 00:32:57,518 --> 00:32:58,976 No. 730 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:01,021 No further questions, Your Honor. 731 00:33:02,523 --> 00:33:03,898 No further ques... 732 00:33:03,899 --> 00:33:06,150 - Mr. Kiritsis! - Your Honor! Your Honor! 733 00:33:06,151 --> 00:33:07,694 I don't want to have to warn you again. 734 00:33:07,695 --> 00:33:09,779 Given the pre-existing amicable relationship 735 00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:11,739 between my current defense lawyer 736 00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:13,324 and my former defense lawyer, 737 00:33:13,325 --> 00:33:16,577 and-and-and given the fact that the only reason I'm here 738 00:33:16,578 --> 00:33:17,995 is to attain the protections 739 00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:19,580 that were unconstitutionally denied me 740 00:33:19,581 --> 00:33:21,624 in February of this year, 741 00:33:21,625 --> 00:33:23,334 moving forward in this hearing, 742 00:33:23,335 --> 00:33:25,253 I will be, uh... I will be representing myself pro se. 743 00:33:25,254 --> 00:33:26,504 [Mullin] Tony, I really don't think... 744 00:33:26,505 --> 00:33:28,381 Yeah, thank you. Yeah, okay. Uh, Your Honor? 745 00:33:28,382 --> 00:33:29,550 Did you get all that, sweetheart? 746 00:33:31,719 --> 00:33:33,219 [Dugan] You are allowed to represent yourself, 747 00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:34,345 Mr. Kiritsis, 748 00:33:34,346 --> 00:33:35,513 but I must caution you. 749 00:33:35,514 --> 00:33:38,015 In the words of Abe Lincoln himself, 750 00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:40,685 be prepared to have a fool for a client. 751 00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:42,228 Thank you, Your Honor. 752 00:33:42,229 --> 00:33:44,147 I intend to be my most zealous advocate. 753 00:33:44,148 --> 00:33:45,357 Clarence Darrow. 754 00:33:46,775 --> 00:33:48,693 Pack it up, buddy. 755 00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:50,070 Pack it up. 756 00:33:57,035 --> 00:33:59,120 Good luck. 757 00:33:59,121 --> 00:34:00,997 [Ruckelshaus] ...said, "I thought she was with you." 758 00:34:00,998 --> 00:34:02,916 [chuckling] 759 00:34:07,671 --> 00:34:09,422 You owe me a new pair of shoes. 760 00:34:09,423 --> 00:34:12,508 Not my finest moment. I apologize. 761 00:34:12,509 --> 00:34:15,970 Well... it was a crazy three days. 762 00:34:15,971 --> 00:34:19,056 Let me ask you a question. 763 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:21,893 If Meridian's promissory note 764 00:34:21,894 --> 00:34:24,562 had been real and upheld by a court of law, 765 00:34:24,563 --> 00:34:25,272 what was your fee gonna be? 766 00:34:26,899 --> 00:34:28,357 I'm sorry, I don't follow. 767 00:34:28,358 --> 00:34:30,693 I mean, it's a $5 million offer. 768 00:34:30,694 --> 00:34:33,321 You weren't considering what your fee might be? 769 00:34:33,322 --> 00:34:35,823 Well, I was a little busy, if you recall. 770 00:34:35,824 --> 00:34:37,492 I just don't remember reading it anywhere 771 00:34:37,493 --> 00:34:38,577 in the promissory note. 772 00:34:40,204 --> 00:34:43,247 It'd make you the first attorney I ever met 773 00:34:43,248 --> 00:34:44,957 didn't negotiate their fee up from. 774 00:34:44,958 --> 00:34:47,210 [chuckling] 775 00:34:47,211 --> 00:34:50,171 Ahh. He really got to you. 776 00:34:50,172 --> 00:34:52,173 I look forward 777 00:34:52,174 --> 00:34:54,967 to hearing all your wild ideas on your broadcast. 778 00:34:54,968 --> 00:34:57,595 I always loved the sound of your voice, Fred, 779 00:34:57,596 --> 00:34:59,181 as I'm sure you do too. 780 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,436 [Tony] At any point, 781 00:35:05,437 --> 00:35:09,982 was the legally binding offer of immunity, 782 00:35:09,983 --> 00:35:12,735 which I have already entered into evidence, 783 00:35:12,736 --> 00:35:14,862 intended honestly? 784 00:35:14,863 --> 00:35:17,073 It wasn't fake. 785 00:35:17,074 --> 00:35:20,284 You broke the agreement when you came down armed. 786 00:35:20,285 --> 00:35:23,412 And yet the promise to come down unarmed 787 00:35:23,413 --> 00:35:25,039 was made via the phone, 788 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,333 and not in writing, on the original document. 789 00:35:27,334 --> 00:35:29,043 Is that correct? 790 00:35:29,044 --> 00:35:31,045 That's correct. 791 00:35:31,046 --> 00:35:33,798 Mr. Wilson, do you believe the state 792 00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:36,008 intended to honor my immunity offer? 793 00:35:36,009 --> 00:35:38,135 On the advice of counsel, I am exercising my right... 794 00:35:38,136 --> 00:35:41,222 to remain silent and not incriminate myself. 795 00:35:41,223 --> 00:35:43,641 Can I just answer the question for him, Your Honor? 796 00:35:43,642 --> 00:35:45,810 No, Mr. Kiritsis, you may not. 797 00:35:45,811 --> 00:35:48,563 [Martz] "Fake" is a loaded word. 798 00:35:48,564 --> 00:35:50,273 You broke the agreement 799 00:35:50,274 --> 00:35:51,858 when you brought a loaded weapon 800 00:35:51,859 --> 00:35:53,150 to the lobby. 801 00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:55,444 [Tony] Mr. Martz, why were you 802 00:35:55,445 --> 00:35:57,280 meeting with my lawyers 803 00:35:57,281 --> 00:36:00,658 at odd hours of the day, in secret, 804 00:36:00,659 --> 00:36:02,118 if not to let them in on your plan? 805 00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:03,286 What is the policy 806 00:36:03,287 --> 00:36:06,080 of the Indianapolis Police Department 807 00:36:06,081 --> 00:36:07,623 when it comes to storing evidence? 808 00:36:07,624 --> 00:36:09,667 Any pertinent evidence is stored 809 00:36:09,668 --> 00:36:11,919 until such time as it is needed. 810 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,588 A time such as now? 811 00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:15,172 Sure. 812 00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:16,424 [Martz] I unfortunately can't speak 813 00:36:16,425 --> 00:36:18,593 to the exact procedure 814 00:36:18,594 --> 00:36:22,638 for storage or archiving alleged tapes. 815 00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:23,556 - I know about it. - Your Honor! 816 00:36:23,557 --> 00:36:24,807 I know about it! 817 00:36:24,808 --> 00:36:26,350 [Wilson] On advice of counsel, 818 00:36:26,351 --> 00:36:28,102 I am exercising my right to remain silent. 819 00:36:28,103 --> 00:36:29,812 I-I did not aid or abet. 820 00:36:29,813 --> 00:36:31,397 I'm the chief of police! 821 00:36:31,398 --> 00:36:33,024 I don't answer to anybody 822 00:36:33,025 --> 00:36:35,902 except for Mrs. Gallagher and God. 823 00:36:35,903 --> 00:36:39,405 [Martz] It's well-established legal precedent 824 00:36:39,406 --> 00:36:41,574 that agreements made under duress 825 00:36:41,575 --> 00:36:43,451 are not legally binding. 826 00:36:43,452 --> 00:36:44,577 I did not aid or... 827 00:36:44,578 --> 00:36:45,870 I don't recall. 828 00:36:45,871 --> 00:36:47,580 [chuckling] I can't recall exactly. 829 00:36:47,581 --> 00:36:49,123 - I do not recall... - The incompetence! 830 00:36:49,124 --> 00:36:50,875 The incompetence of the in... 831 00:36:50,876 --> 00:36:52,376 ...and perhaps never knew to begin with. 832 00:36:52,377 --> 00:36:54,211 And what about the drinking? Do you deny 833 00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:55,588 that there was excessive drinking 834 00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:57,465 during the incident, which impaired your judgment? 835 00:36:57,466 --> 00:36:58,966 Your Honor, really? 836 00:36:58,967 --> 00:37:02,346 Why did you represent me if you thought I was crazy? 837 00:37:06,058 --> 00:37:10,436 I thought that you deserved representation, 838 00:37:10,437 --> 00:37:14,816 but that you also needed hospitalization. 839 00:37:23,158 --> 00:37:26,870 Your Honor, I'd... I'd like to request a recess, please. 840 00:37:45,055 --> 00:37:47,640 [Fred] Tony? 841 00:37:47,641 --> 00:37:49,558 Looks like they were able to find you 842 00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:51,352 a little peace and quiet, huh? 843 00:37:51,353 --> 00:37:54,772 Yeah, Deputy Dunlap and Cotes are good men. 844 00:37:54,773 --> 00:37:56,482 Well, I'm still trying to find 845 00:37:56,483 --> 00:37:57,900 the evidence that shows there was collusion... 846 00:37:57,901 --> 00:37:59,318 [Tony] Save it for the stand. 847 00:37:59,319 --> 00:38:01,112 I don't believe anything you say. 848 00:38:01,113 --> 00:38:02,406 I don't believe anything you say. 849 00:38:05,242 --> 00:38:06,910 Take me in, boys. 850 00:38:12,124 --> 00:38:13,791 [clerk] Do you swear to tell the truth, 851 00:38:13,792 --> 00:38:15,251 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, 852 00:38:15,252 --> 00:38:16,168 so help you God? 853 00:38:16,169 --> 00:38:18,005 I do. 854 00:38:20,841 --> 00:38:22,675 [Fred clears his throat] 855 00:38:22,676 --> 00:38:24,011 [Tony] Mr. Heckman. 856 00:38:26,179 --> 00:38:28,724 Was I just another interview subject to you? 857 00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:32,101 Is that it? 858 00:38:32,102 --> 00:38:34,103 Boy, when I called you up, 859 00:38:34,104 --> 00:38:35,980 you must've been licking your chops. 860 00:38:35,981 --> 00:38:38,482 Interview of a goddamn lifetime. 861 00:38:38,483 --> 00:38:40,277 Pardon my language, Your Honor. 862 00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:44,447 Did you put me on the air and get me to talk 863 00:38:44,448 --> 00:38:46,907 not because you believed I had a point to make, 864 00:38:46,908 --> 00:38:48,743 but for your own selfish reasons? 865 00:38:48,744 --> 00:38:50,202 Is there a relevant question in there? 866 00:38:50,203 --> 00:38:52,038 You got me to trust you. 867 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,415 You told me things to get me to open up. 868 00:38:54,416 --> 00:38:55,833 Meanwhile, you and the other suits 869 00:38:55,834 --> 00:38:57,293 were laughin' it up at my expense. 870 00:38:57,294 --> 00:38:58,836 [Dugan] A question, Mr. Kiritsis. 871 00:38:58,837 --> 00:38:59,962 Yeah, here's a question! 872 00:38:59,963 --> 00:39:01,505 Do you feel guilty 873 00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:04,134 for lying to your audience and betraying their trust? 874 00:39:06,928 --> 00:39:08,763 I do, Tony. I do. 875 00:39:08,764 --> 00:39:10,265 [Tony] Why do it, Fred? 876 00:39:11,933 --> 00:39:13,434 Why? 877 00:39:13,435 --> 00:39:16,062 Because I was trying to save two lives, Tony. 878 00:39:16,063 --> 00:39:17,646 - Oh... - Now, if you want, 879 00:39:17,647 --> 00:39:18,981 you can ask me the same questions 880 00:39:18,982 --> 00:39:19,940 you asked all the other witnesses. 881 00:39:19,941 --> 00:39:21,400 No, I don't need to. 882 00:39:21,401 --> 00:39:22,485 I already... I already know what you're gonna say. 883 00:39:22,486 --> 00:39:23,986 I don't think you do, Tony. 884 00:39:23,987 --> 00:39:25,905 "I'm Fred Heckman, I'm the biggest liar of 'em all." 885 00:39:25,906 --> 00:39:27,698 Tony, I'm here to tell the truth. 886 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:29,366 [chuckling] 887 00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:30,743 Now, if you want to ask me about the immunity agreement... 888 00:39:30,744 --> 00:39:32,244 Objection, Your Honor! 889 00:39:32,245 --> 00:39:33,954 ...you can ask me about the immunity agreement! 890 00:39:33,955 --> 00:39:35,122 - Objection, Your Honor! - Mr. Heckman, 891 00:39:35,123 --> 00:39:36,165 please answer questions you've been a... 892 00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:37,291 [Tony] Oh, no, no, no. 893 00:39:37,292 --> 00:39:38,793 No further questions, Your Honor. 894 00:39:38,794 --> 00:39:41,087 I wouldn't believe a word this man says. 895 00:39:41,088 --> 00:39:42,421 I liked him better when he was just 896 00:39:42,422 --> 00:39:44,799 a voice on the radio I could turn off. 897 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,217 At least with a lawyer, 898 00:39:46,218 --> 00:39:47,552 you know you're gonna get cheated. 899 00:39:51,348 --> 00:39:53,141 [Dugan] The witness is dismissed. 900 00:40:15,205 --> 00:40:17,332 [children giggling] 901 00:40:20,043 --> 00:40:21,378 [Ibby] Are you all packed? 902 00:40:23,672 --> 00:40:25,047 I'm... 903 00:40:25,048 --> 00:40:25,966 I'm not doing the interview. 904 00:40:27,926 --> 00:40:29,802 You canceled on Barbara Walters? 905 00:40:29,803 --> 00:40:31,554 - [he chuckles] - [she laughs] 906 00:40:31,555 --> 00:40:32,763 Does M.L. know? 907 00:40:32,764 --> 00:40:33,849 No. 908 00:40:36,685 --> 00:40:38,227 Well, then, where are you going? 909 00:40:38,228 --> 00:40:41,230 I'm just gonna go for a drive... 910 00:40:41,231 --> 00:40:43,316 and clear my head. 911 00:40:45,318 --> 00:40:47,028 Well, I hope you make it home in time for dinner. 912 00:40:56,621 --> 00:40:59,957 Who... wants to have a dance party? 913 00:40:59,958 --> 00:41:00,916 [Ibby and kids laughing] 914 00:41:00,917 --> 00:41:02,459 [child] A dance party! 915 00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:06,547 [rock music begins playing] 916 00:41:06,548 --> 00:41:08,925 [upbeat music] 917 00:41:24,649 --> 00:41:26,526 Hey there. 918 00:41:28,612 --> 00:41:30,404 How did you find me? 919 00:41:30,405 --> 00:41:32,198 You know... 920 00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:34,700 Barb... 921 00:41:34,701 --> 00:41:36,702 Ibby. 922 00:41:36,703 --> 00:41:38,370 Uh, beer, please? 923 00:41:38,371 --> 00:41:40,415 Whatever's on tap. 924 00:41:44,211 --> 00:41:46,129 Thank you. 925 00:41:52,552 --> 00:41:55,221 So, no, uh... 926 00:41:55,222 --> 00:41:58,349 no big, uh, no big interview, I guess? 927 00:41:58,350 --> 00:42:00,559 No national exposure for Meridian. 928 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,727 No. 929 00:42:01,728 --> 00:42:03,062 [chuckles softly] 930 00:42:03,063 --> 00:42:05,314 No. 931 00:42:05,315 --> 00:42:07,066 And how'd it go with Tony today? 932 00:42:07,067 --> 00:42:08,484 Are we gonna have to testify in trial? 933 00:42:08,485 --> 00:42:09,777 Looks like it. 934 00:42:09,778 --> 00:42:12,072 The judge threw out Tony's motion, so... 935 00:42:15,784 --> 00:42:17,869 I don't know if I can do it, Fred. 936 00:42:19,412 --> 00:42:21,580 Courtroom... 937 00:42:21,581 --> 00:42:24,708 full of strangers, I have to re-live all that? 938 00:42:24,709 --> 00:42:27,169 Well, unfortunately, we don't have the tapes 939 00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:30,965 to catch the people who lied in their lies. 940 00:42:30,966 --> 00:42:32,675 [Dick chuckles] 941 00:42:32,676 --> 00:42:35,178 You were always so fuckin' focused on Tony. 942 00:42:37,055 --> 00:42:40,016 Yeah. How Tony got the raw deal. 943 00:42:43,186 --> 00:42:45,355 I guess crime does pay. 944 00:42:52,279 --> 00:42:54,406 I'm sorry, Dick. 945 00:42:56,574 --> 00:43:00,996 I know... 946 00:43:02,163 --> 00:43:04,957 ...but I don't get it. 947 00:43:04,958 --> 00:43:06,668 I don't get it. 948 00:43:11,673 --> 00:43:14,300 Let me tell you something. 949 00:43:14,301 --> 00:43:15,968 That first day, 950 00:43:15,969 --> 00:43:18,470 when you got frog-marched out of the office, 951 00:43:18,471 --> 00:43:22,808 into the cold, with that wire around your neck, 952 00:43:22,809 --> 00:43:24,518 I thought to myself, 953 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:26,520 "There's no way... 954 00:43:26,521 --> 00:43:28,314 no way in hell this guy survives this." 955 00:43:28,315 --> 00:43:30,190 Every hour you were in that apartment, 956 00:43:30,191 --> 00:43:31,525 I thought the same damn thing. 957 00:43:31,526 --> 00:43:34,445 "There is no way this guy survives this." 958 00:43:34,446 --> 00:43:36,489 How did you do it, Dick? How did you survive? 959 00:43:39,117 --> 00:43:42,746 You have to find a small... 960 00:43:44,289 --> 00:43:47,876 quiet place inside of you that no one can touch... 961 00:43:49,961 --> 00:43:51,629 ...and you just stay there. 962 00:43:58,636 --> 00:44:00,847 You do. 963 00:44:02,891 --> 00:44:05,018 I'll get one more. 964 00:44:08,646 --> 00:44:10,731 You know, I had a... I had a tape recorder 965 00:44:10,732 --> 00:44:12,107 in my pocket that night 966 00:44:12,108 --> 00:44:13,442 that the three of us were in the back room. 967 00:44:13,443 --> 00:44:15,487 [chuckling] 968 00:44:16,946 --> 00:44:18,615 I'm-I'm not surprised. 969 00:44:20,241 --> 00:44:21,867 Are you gonna use it? 970 00:44:21,868 --> 00:44:24,204 Some big exposé or something? 971 00:44:29,918 --> 00:44:32,921 I haven't... I haven't shared it with a single person. 972 00:44:35,215 --> 00:44:39,677 [tender Greek instrumental playing] 973 00:44:58,238 --> 00:45:00,532 [music continues] 974 00:45:23,054 --> 00:45:31,938 [Greek music continues] 975 00:45:39,988 --> 00:45:41,822 [Ben] After being found 976 00:45:41,823 --> 00:45:43,991 not guilty by reason of insanity, 977 00:45:43,992 --> 00:45:46,243 Anthony Kiritsis has been remanded 978 00:45:46,244 --> 00:45:47,953 to a psychiatric hospital 979 00:45:47,954 --> 00:45:49,663 to undergo psychiatric evaluation. 980 00:45:49,664 --> 00:45:51,415 President Carter 981 00:45:51,416 --> 00:45:54,376 will participate in Dial-a-President, 982 00:45:54,377 --> 00:45:58,297 a two-hour radio call-in show produced by CBS News 983 00:45:58,298 --> 00:46:00,884 and hosted by Walter Cronkite. 984 00:46:04,971 --> 00:46:07,723 Uh, Fred Heckman to see Tony Kiritsis? 985 00:46:07,724 --> 00:46:09,809 Okay, just sign your name and the time, please. 986 00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:13,730 [footsteps receding] 987 00:46:18,151 --> 00:46:19,736 [exhaling deeply] 988 00:46:26,367 --> 00:46:28,327 [Fred] I wasn't sure you'd see me, Tony. 989 00:46:28,328 --> 00:46:30,662 You see, I have good news and I have bad news, 990 00:46:30,663 --> 00:46:32,581 and the bad news is I can't find the tapes. 991 00:46:32,582 --> 00:46:33,999 I don't know what happened to them. 992 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,709 [Tony] You don't know what happened to the tapes? 993 00:46:35,710 --> 00:46:37,378 I know what happened to the tapes. 994 00:46:38,922 --> 00:46:40,923 They destroyed 'em. That's what happened. 995 00:46:40,924 --> 00:46:43,800 Ruckelshaus and the D.A. made a side deal 996 00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:47,221 about the investigation into police bribery, 997 00:46:47,222 --> 00:46:48,972 and who was the sacrificial lamb in that deal? 998 00:46:48,973 --> 00:46:51,266 Me. Me, me, me, me, me! 999 00:46:51,267 --> 00:46:52,726 I know that, you know that, 1000 00:46:52,727 --> 00:46:53,769 and they did that. 1001 00:46:53,770 --> 00:46:54,811 You should've done something 1002 00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:55,979 when you could've done something. 1003 00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:57,689 Why don't you just take the test, Tony? 1004 00:46:57,690 --> 00:47:00,609 I mean, the good news is, you were found not guilty 1005 00:47:00,610 --> 00:47:02,027 by reason of insanity. 1006 00:47:02,028 --> 00:47:03,612 If you submit to the psychiatric evaluation, 1007 00:47:03,613 --> 00:47:04,905 there's a good chance you get outta here. 1008 00:47:04,906 --> 00:47:05,989 Isn't that what you want? 1009 00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:07,866 You want me to submit to a test 1010 00:47:07,867 --> 00:47:10,786 for them to determine whether or not I'm crazy. 1011 00:47:10,787 --> 00:47:14,540 I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy. I've never been crazy. 1012 00:47:14,541 --> 00:47:17,626 I'm not letting these people get-get in-into my head. 1013 00:47:17,627 --> 00:47:18,961 That's why I'm appealing, Fred. 1014 00:47:18,962 --> 00:47:20,587 People win on appeals. 1015 00:47:20,588 --> 00:47:21,838 There's justice for the little guy. 1016 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:23,632 They can't force me to take the test. 1017 00:47:23,633 --> 00:47:26,134 It's against my constitutional right as an American. 1018 00:47:26,135 --> 00:47:28,011 That I believe in, 1019 00:47:28,012 --> 00:47:30,013 and the day I stop believing that I'm gonna walk outta here 1020 00:47:30,014 --> 00:47:32,225 is the day I stop being. 1021 00:47:35,353 --> 00:47:37,021 I'm sorry I lied to you, Tony. 1022 00:47:38,982 --> 00:47:40,650 You know, there's... 1023 00:47:41,776 --> 00:47:44,570 People can say whatever they want about me... 1024 00:47:44,571 --> 00:47:46,572 they say a lot of things about me, 1025 00:47:46,573 --> 00:47:48,073 but the one thing they can't say 1026 00:47:48,074 --> 00:47:49,701 is that I lied. 1027 00:47:52,704 --> 00:47:54,747 You can never come back from that, Fred. 1028 00:47:56,666 --> 00:47:59,210 At the end of the day, all a man has is his word. 1029 00:48:00,712 --> 00:48:03,338 All anyone's ever gonna remember about this 1030 00:48:03,339 --> 00:48:06,009 is that a madman took his mortgage broker hostage. 1031 00:48:11,764 --> 00:48:13,140 You know, that night, when the three of us 1032 00:48:13,141 --> 00:48:14,474 were in the back room, 1033 00:48:14,475 --> 00:48:16,643 I had a tape recorder in my pocket. 1034 00:48:16,644 --> 00:48:19,062 Yeah, that figures. 1035 00:48:19,063 --> 00:48:20,898 Be a part of some big exposé. 1036 00:48:35,121 --> 00:48:36,997 This is a list 1037 00:48:36,998 --> 00:48:38,833 of all the violations committed by these institutions. 1038 00:48:40,209 --> 00:48:42,669 You were right. 1039 00:48:42,670 --> 00:48:46,214 Judge Dugan did receive kickbacks on certain cases, 1040 00:48:46,215 --> 00:48:49,092 and the police did conspire with your attorneys. 1041 00:48:49,093 --> 00:48:50,969 It's all... 1042 00:48:50,970 --> 00:48:52,430 in there, Tony. 1043 00:48:54,557 --> 00:48:55,933 Make a fuss. 1044 00:48:57,685 --> 00:48:59,269 We certainly gave 'em a good show, 1045 00:48:59,270 --> 00:49:00,897 didn't we, Fred? 1046 00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:08,112 You would never say that. 1047 00:49:10,531 --> 00:49:11,573 Sir? 1048 00:49:11,574 --> 00:49:13,116 [louder] Sir? 1049 00:49:13,117 --> 00:49:15,286 Sir, the patient has refused the visit. 1050 00:49:17,205 --> 00:49:18,997 Uh, I'm sorry? 1051 00:49:18,998 --> 00:49:20,917 Mr. Kiritsis doesn't want to see you. 1052 00:49:23,169 --> 00:49:25,504 Oh, uh, well... 1053 00:49:25,505 --> 00:49:28,215 could you see that, uh, he gets this? 1054 00:49:28,216 --> 00:49:29,675 I'll see what I can do. 1055 00:49:29,676 --> 00:49:31,052 Thank you. 1056 00:49:38,476 --> 00:49:40,687 [melancholic music] 1057 00:50:28,109 --> 00:50:29,068 [ripping tape] 1058 00:50:33,114 --> 00:50:34,991 [exhaling deeply] 1059 00:50:46,043 --> 00:50:48,295 [Dean Martin's "Oh, Marie" begins to play] 1060 00:50:48,296 --> 00:50:50,047 [upbeat music] 1061 00:50:55,511 --> 00:51:01,641 ♪ We' Marie ♪ 1062 00:51:01,642 --> 00:51:06,313 ♪ We' Marie... ♪ 1063 00:51:06,314 --> 00:51:13,613 ♪ Quanto suonno ca perse per te ♪ 1064 00:51:15,323 --> 00:51:20,661 ♪ Famme' durmi ♪ 1065 00:51:22,705 --> 00:51:27,460 ♪ Una notte abbraciata cu te ♪ 1066 00:51:29,879 --> 00:51:35,425 ♪ We' Marie ♪ 1067 00:51:35,426 --> 00:51:40,597 ♪ We' Marie... ♪ 1068 00:51:40,598 --> 00:51:49,190 ♪ Quanto suonno ca perse per te ♪ 1069 00:51:51,442 --> 00:51:58,281 ♪ Famme' durmi ♪ 1070 00:51:58,282 --> 00:52:01,993 ♪ We' Marie ♪ 1071 00:52:01,994 --> 00:52:03,453 Look at this guy. Here he is! 1072 00:52:03,454 --> 00:52:04,329 - [chuckling] Hey! - Man of the hour. 1073 00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:05,580 Look at this beautiful family! 1074 00:52:05,581 --> 00:52:06,706 - Thank you. - Beautiful. 1075 00:52:06,707 --> 00:52:07,958 - ?? - How are you doing? 1076 00:52:07,959 --> 00:52:09,209 This is so... it's delicious! 1077 00:52:09,210 --> 00:52:10,794 You enjoying this? It's great to see you. 1078 00:52:10,795 --> 00:52:12,796 Listen, it's on me tonight. 1079 00:52:12,797 --> 00:52:15,549 ♪ We' Marie ♪ 1080 00:52:15,550 --> 00:52:18,718 Okay, it's good to see you all. 1081 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:19,636 All right, pleasure. 1082 00:52:19,637 --> 00:52:21,721 Thank you for coming by. 1083 00:52:21,722 --> 00:52:25,225 [Fred] WIBC, December 1st, 1978. 1084 00:52:25,226 --> 00:52:27,644 Meridian Mortgage bought Tony's land 1085 00:52:27,645 --> 00:52:30,480 for $180,000 in a sheriff's sale, 1086 00:52:30,481 --> 00:52:32,607 exactly as Tony had predicted. 1087 00:52:32,608 --> 00:52:34,901 M.L., Bill, and Jack Hall died 1088 00:52:34,902 --> 00:52:37,153 soon after the hostage crisis, 1089 00:52:37,154 --> 00:52:39,406 Dick outliving them all. 1090 00:52:39,407 --> 00:52:41,241 He and Ibby divorced. 1091 00:52:41,242 --> 00:52:42,784 Dick got sober, 1092 00:52:42,785 --> 00:52:45,203 and remained so for the rest of his life. 1093 00:52:45,204 --> 00:52:47,330 D.A. Kelley's strike team 1094 00:52:47,331 --> 00:52:49,291 investigating police corruption 1095 00:52:49,292 --> 00:52:51,918 was suspiciously shuttered two weeks after the crisis. 1096 00:52:51,919 --> 00:52:53,962 Barbara Heckman went back to school, 1097 00:52:53,963 --> 00:52:56,423 earned her college degree... 1098 00:52:56,424 --> 00:52:58,508 ...and worked as a computer programmer. 1099 00:52:58,509 --> 00:53:00,969 After decades in radio, 1100 00:53:00,970 --> 00:53:03,054 Fred Heckman left WIBC 1101 00:53:03,055 --> 00:53:05,849 after it moved into a talk radio format, 1102 00:53:05,850 --> 00:53:09,603 switching its focus to infotainment. 1103 00:53:09,604 --> 00:53:12,439 Tony was held in contempt of court for 10 years, 1104 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,065 and was housed 1105 00:53:14,066 --> 00:53:16,484 in the state prison unit for the criminally insane. 1106 00:53:16,485 --> 00:53:18,820 It remained the longest contempt charge 1107 00:53:18,821 --> 00:53:20,280 in American history 1108 00:53:20,281 --> 00:53:22,490 until 2009. 1109 00:53:22,491 --> 00:53:24,951 {\an8}What do you think? 1110 00:53:24,952 --> 00:53:26,453 {\an8}You're saying there... 1111 00:53:26,454 --> 00:53:28,955 {\an8}you're saying there's a conspiracy? 1112 00:53:28,956 --> 00:53:32,334 {\an8}Every... Mr. Price has told me unequivocally 1113 00:53:32,335 --> 00:53:33,501 {\an8}that there's a conspiracy. 1114 00:53:33,502 --> 00:53:35,754 {\an8}Has he ever told you that? 1115 00:53:35,755 --> 00:53:38,214 {\an8}Mr. Price has told Joe Collins there's a conspiracy. 1116 00:53:38,215 --> 00:53:41,676 {\an8}Mr. Price has told Dan Luzadder there's a conspiracy. 1117 00:53:41,677 --> 00:53:43,345 {\an8}My question to you is that's all in the past. 1118 00:53:43,346 --> 00:53:44,721 {\an8}What about right now? 1119 00:53:44,722 --> 00:53:46,014 {\an8}What do you hope is gonna happen right now? 1120 00:53:46,015 --> 00:53:47,641 {\an8}Well, I'm a human being. 1121 00:53:47,642 --> 00:53:49,184 {\an8}I'd like to get my freedom. 1122 00:53:49,185 --> 00:53:51,144 {\an8}[Fred] And after years of making a fuss, 1123 00:53:51,145 --> 00:53:53,563 {\an8}Tony scored a major victory 1124 00:53:53,564 --> 00:53:55,607 {\an8}when the Indiana Supreme Court ruled 1125 00:53:55,608 --> 00:53:57,776 {\an8}that the state had no right to force Tony 1126 00:53:57,777 --> 00:54:01,446 {\an8}to submit to a psychiatric evaluation. 1127 00:54:01,447 --> 00:54:04,617 {\an8}Tony was finally released in 1988. 1128 00:54:06,911 --> 00:54:09,955 {\an8}This Fred Heckman, WIBC. 1129 00:54:09,956 --> 00:54:12,040 {\an8}[big band music] 1130 00:54:12,041 --> 00:54:15,878 {\an8}♪ We' Marie ♪ 1131 00:54:23,803 --> 00:54:29,558 {\an8}[upbeat jazz music]