1 00:00:00,918 --> 00:00:02,336 PREVIOUSLY IN AMERICAN HOSTAGE 2 00:00:02,420 --> 00:00:05,506 If you knew what this man and his family did to me. 3 00:00:05,589 --> 00:00:09,135 They would demand it be fixed. They're waiting to see me die. 4 00:00:09,218 --> 00:00:12,471 I know we haven't given up hope, hope leaves us first. 5 00:00:12,555 --> 00:00:16,183 Why don't we work together on this? To get through this safe and sound. 6 00:00:16,267 --> 00:00:18,185 The immunity deal isn't real. 7 00:00:18,978 --> 00:00:22,064 - It's all a lie. - You have to sell your immunity, Fred. 8 00:00:22,148 --> 00:00:25,359 - Sorry. I don't see lies in the air. - The lives of two men are at stake. 9 00:00:25,443 --> 00:00:29,238 WIBC confirms that the agreement unprecedented exonerates Kiritsis. 10 00:00:29,321 --> 00:00:33,117 Kiritsis, if you want, you can leave from Crestwood Condominium a free man. 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,369 Signed, sealed and delivered. 12 00:00:35,453 --> 00:00:38,414 Maybe they would bug Tony. Maybe Rucks knew all along. 13 00:00:38,497 --> 00:00:39,457 Maybe not. 14 00:00:39,540 --> 00:00:41,667 Maybe these calls confidential hypothetical 15 00:00:41,751 --> 00:00:43,210 enter into attorney-client privilege. 16 00:00:43,294 --> 00:00:46,046 Perhaps these hypothetical connections have also recorded them. 17 00:00:46,130 --> 00:00:47,214 We are from WIBC. 18 00:00:47,298 --> 00:00:48,591 Excuse me... 19 00:00:49,258 --> 00:00:52,553 - You know they're going to kill him, right? - Scarf... 20 00:00:53,512 --> 00:00:54,889 McNally. 21 00:00:54,972 --> 00:00:55,973 Tony. 22 00:00:56,056 --> 00:00:57,266 So Walt goes. 23 00:00:59,518 --> 00:01:00,978 I shoot. 24 00:01:04,398 --> 00:01:08,527 THIS IS INSPIRED BY A TRUE STORY. 25 00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:22,249 American hostage 26 00:01:39,934 --> 00:01:41,769 KILL JOURNALISM DIRECTOR 27 00:01:41,852 --> 00:01:43,938 TRAINED DOG 28 00:02:02,623 --> 00:02:03,999 SURVEILLANCE RECORD 29 00:02:12,883 --> 00:02:14,718 FREE TONY 30 00:02:45,499 --> 00:02:46,375 Where is everyone? 31 00:02:47,459 --> 00:02:48,919 - You lost. - Like this? 32 00:02:51,422 --> 00:02:55,259 - Is that blood? - Like I said, you lost. 33 00:03:07,730 --> 00:03:12,735 LAST DAY OF THE HOSTAGE CRISIS 34 00:03:14,945 --> 00:03:18,741 9am. 35 00:03:30,502 --> 00:03:34,214 1:15 pm 36 00:03:36,050 --> 00:03:37,509 Turn on the lights, please. 37 00:03:41,388 --> 00:03:42,348 Thanks. 38 00:03:45,142 --> 00:03:46,936 Hey. What's going on? 39 00:03:47,019 --> 00:03:50,189 - Tony can't resist the spectacle. - How does it end? 40 00:03:51,899 --> 00:03:53,442 The world's a stage, Fred. 41 00:03:56,946 --> 00:03:59,949 It's not over yet, Tony. I want you to think about something. 42 00:04:00,032 --> 00:04:03,702 There are a lot of cameras here. They're ready. 43 00:04:04,495 --> 00:04:05,871 What will you see? 44 00:04:05,955 --> 00:04:08,958 I'm leaving here a rich man and a national hero. 45 00:04:09,041 --> 00:04:10,626 You need to come unarmed. 46 00:04:10,709 --> 00:04:13,420 The immunity agreement did not specify that would have to be unarmed. 47 00:04:13,504 --> 00:04:14,713 Don't worry so much, Fred. 48 00:04:14,797 --> 00:04:17,049 Listen, I'm not going back to a hospital. 49 00:04:17,132 --> 00:04:21,136 And if I have to show a gun To be free, that's what I'm going to do. 50 00:04:21,220 --> 00:04:23,681 - Please, Tony. - I'll think about it. 51 00:04:23,764 --> 00:04:25,683 Listen, I want to share a steak with you. 52 00:04:25,766 --> 00:04:27,184 Say I'm coming down. 53 00:04:39,321 --> 00:04:40,406 He's coming down. 54 00:05:25,993 --> 00:05:27,411 How am I? 55 00:05:33,375 --> 00:05:35,627 Don't even think about doing shit. 56 00:05:36,962 --> 00:05:39,840 I LOVE TONY 57 00:05:39,923 --> 00:05:41,341 Go, let's go! 58 00:05:48,182 --> 00:05:49,516 FREE TONY 59 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,143 Well, look. 60 00:05:54,438 --> 00:05:55,814 Hey guys! 61 00:05:55,898 --> 00:05:58,192 -Tony! - We love you, Tony! 62 00:06:12,748 --> 00:06:15,542 Mr. Kiritsis, FBI Special Agent Cormac McNally. 63 00:06:15,626 --> 00:06:19,838 Who has the statement? Give it to Dick, boss. Give it to Dick. 64 00:06:19,922 --> 00:06:20,923 He will read it. 65 00:06:22,049 --> 00:06:24,384 - Where's Mikey? - I'm here, Tone. 66 00:06:24,468 --> 00:06:28,597 - Hey, Rick. How are you? Where's Mikey? - Tone, I'm here. Here, Tony. 67 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:29,681 Bye, darling! 68 00:06:30,474 --> 00:06:33,852 - You can do it. - Yes, I'm a fucking crazy person. 69 00:06:33,936 --> 00:06:36,355 - Final stretch, darling. - Be strong. 70 00:06:40,150 --> 00:06:41,944 - Mr. Fred Heckman. -Tony. 71 00:06:42,027 --> 00:06:43,612 It's good to see you in person. 72 00:06:44,113 --> 00:06:46,949 It's going to be quite a spectacle. A spectacle. 73 00:06:52,538 --> 00:06:54,081 Get out of the way, dammit! 74 00:06:54,957 --> 00:06:56,416 Get out of the way! 75 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:00,921 Get out of the way! 76 00:07:02,047 --> 00:07:03,674 Get out of the way, dammit! 77 00:07:07,427 --> 00:07:12,099 Turn on the damn cameras! I'll show you something. 78 00:07:12,850 --> 00:07:14,268 Read this, friend. Read! 79 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:18,605 Turn on the cameras on all three channels. Wait! 80 00:07:18,689 --> 00:07:22,192 They've already called me a kidnapper, extortionist, 81 00:07:22,276 --> 00:07:24,027 criminal and everything. 82 00:07:24,111 --> 00:07:28,490 I want this on the three national channels. I have friends all over the country. 83 00:07:28,574 --> 00:07:30,701 - Where's Fred Heckman? - Here, Tony. Here. 84 00:07:30,784 --> 00:07:32,411 Come... Come here, Fred. 85 00:07:32,494 --> 00:07:36,623 Come here, Fred. Why the shyness? Look at this guy. 86 00:07:36,707 --> 00:07:39,585 You people with those Kodaks, get out of the way! 87 00:07:39,668 --> 00:07:42,921 Listen, this gentleman here is from WIBC, 88 00:07:43,005 --> 00:07:45,007 and without your impartial reporting, 89 00:07:45,090 --> 00:07:49,344 without the justice of your company, the WIBC in Indianapolis, 90 00:07:49,428 --> 00:07:52,264 I would be considered a damn thug today. 91 00:07:52,890 --> 00:07:54,433 I owe everything to this man. 92 00:07:54,516 --> 00:07:57,436 Fred Heckman is now alongside Tony Kiritsis. 93 00:07:58,395 --> 00:08:02,524 Now be very quiet and let this gentleman read it. 94 00:08:02,608 --> 00:08:05,652 He almost made me blow his brains out. 95 00:08:05,736 --> 00:08:07,696 Wait. Are all three on air? 96 00:08:07,779 --> 00:08:09,948 The three national networks? 97 00:08:10,032 --> 00:08:12,117 - Yes. - Great. Focus on him, friend. 98 00:08:12,201 --> 00:08:13,285 We are partners in this. 99 00:08:13,368 --> 00:08:15,787 Looks like Dick Hall is going to read a prepared statement. 100 00:08:15,871 --> 00:08:19,249 Read. Wait. Where is Chief Gallagher? 101 00:08:19,333 --> 00:08:20,542 Here, Tony. 102 00:08:20,626 --> 00:08:22,836 I have good news and I hope you receive it well. 103 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,466 There was only gasoline in those bottles. I just wanted to fry the son of a bitch. 104 00:08:27,549 --> 00:08:28,926 But everything was set up, friend. 105 00:08:30,177 --> 00:08:31,303 Now, read. 106 00:08:35,098 --> 00:08:37,309 "February 10, 1977." 107 00:08:38,685 --> 00:08:43,398 "This statement is being made to try to expose the points 108 00:08:43,482 --> 00:08:47,736 to which Mr. Kiritsis alludes as being..." 109 00:08:47,819 --> 00:08:50,656 No. You're not doing it right. 110 00:08:50,739 --> 00:08:54,117 I want this to be clear. I will read. 111 00:08:55,869 --> 00:08:59,831 "February 10, 1977..." I need a glass of water. 112 00:08:59,915 --> 00:09:03,585 Get him water. Who is closer. Just a glass of water. 113 00:09:03,669 --> 00:09:06,713 "This statement is being made to try to expose the points 114 00:09:06,797 --> 00:09:08,257 to which Mr. Kiritsis alludes..." 115 00:09:08,340 --> 00:09:11,718 I don't like that word. I accuse, and they admitted it. 116 00:09:14,179 --> 00:09:16,556 "Requesting that the loan be paid in full." 117 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,351 - "If the $130,000 loan... - Take it there. Fast. 118 00:09:19,434 --> 00:09:22,646 ...is not paid by August 1, 1977, parentheses... 119 00:09:24,648 --> 00:09:28,026 "This lease negotiation approved Kiritsis land 120 00:09:28,110 --> 00:09:30,487 and was interested in building there." 121 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:32,281 Here, Tony. Here is the water. 122 00:09:35,826 --> 00:09:36,910 Thanks, Fred. 123 00:09:36,994 --> 00:09:38,287 Good boy. 124 00:09:38,954 --> 00:09:41,290 "We showed other places to Eisner-Osco, 125 00:09:41,373 --> 00:09:45,961 but, to this day, as far as we know, they didn't make any commitments." 126 00:09:46,044 --> 00:09:46,878 "Number two..." 127 00:09:46,962 --> 00:09:50,090 Listen. Eisner-Osco was my tenant, by the way. 128 00:09:51,091 --> 00:09:54,261 They were my tenants. Remember this. 129 00:09:54,344 --> 00:09:56,763 "We also show other locations." 130 00:09:56,847 --> 00:10:00,642 "It is our understanding which Marsh built at another location, 131 00:10:00,726 --> 00:10:02,269 and we had nothing to do with it." 132 00:10:02,352 --> 00:10:04,104 Because they couldn't steal them. 133 00:10:05,314 --> 00:10:06,189 Right, Walt? 134 00:10:14,448 --> 00:10:15,782 This warrior here. 135 00:10:15,866 --> 00:10:17,868 Great friend of mine. Come here, Walt. 136 00:10:17,951 --> 00:10:24,666 Great guy. I have many friends here. He saw me almost every night. 137 00:10:24,750 --> 00:10:27,919 Almost every night for three or four years, in some restaurants 138 00:10:28,003 --> 00:10:30,297 here, drinking coffee. 139 00:10:30,380 --> 00:10:33,633 He always wanted to know what was wrong. Now you know. 140 00:10:36,303 --> 00:10:37,846 Quite a cop. Good cop. 141 00:10:46,313 --> 00:10:48,982 - Where is that rubbish? - I'll take it, Tony. Let me get it. 142 00:10:49,816 --> 00:10:51,568 Ready. Here you go, Tony. 143 00:10:53,153 --> 00:10:54,196 All good. 144 00:10:55,697 --> 00:10:57,949 - Fred, you got everything wet. - Sorry, Tony... 145 00:10:58,033 --> 00:10:59,117 You are so... 146 00:11:01,578 --> 00:11:04,373 These guys... This is Fred Heckman. 147 00:11:30,941 --> 00:11:36,154 This brave young man and his father are said to have said: "Listen, Tony, here's what we're going to do. 148 00:11:36,238 --> 00:11:37,656 Let's do the following. 149 00:11:37,739 --> 00:11:40,659 Because you are a nice guy and we like you, 150 00:11:40,742 --> 00:11:43,954 we would never do anything to harm you, let's keep the good part, 151 00:11:44,037 --> 00:11:46,873 the front 10 acres for $130,000, 152 00:11:46,957 --> 00:11:50,043 and you can have the back seven acres, where pigs shit." 153 00:11:53,130 --> 00:11:55,966 Forgive the language, ladies and gentlemen. Swearing relieves the ulcer. 154 00:11:56,049 --> 00:11:58,218 I don't have an ulcer. Where is my lawyer? 155 00:12:00,053 --> 00:12:01,680 - Back. - Give him space. 156 00:12:01,763 --> 00:12:04,474 - Give him space. - I'm holding a fucking shotgun. 157 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:16,528 Give space. I'm holding a shotgun. 158 00:12:17,237 --> 00:12:21,533 I'm fine. They didn't see me run away. 159 00:12:22,617 --> 00:12:26,204 The only thing that doesn't stop is my tongue, who never gets tired when I'm mad. 160 00:12:26,955 --> 00:12:28,457 Walt, pull up my pants. 161 00:12:29,583 --> 00:12:31,126 Pull up my pants, Walt. 162 00:12:37,382 --> 00:12:40,051 Where is Chuck Wilson? Where is Ruckelshaus? 163 00:12:40,135 --> 00:12:42,554 - He's back here. - Tony, we're here. 164 00:12:43,638 --> 00:12:46,558 There he is. There he is, that son of a bitch! 165 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:51,480 Where have you been? He's very shy today. It's not like that when you charge your fees. 166 00:12:51,563 --> 00:12:54,149 Well, I'm the shy one. 167 00:12:54,232 --> 00:12:57,277 Man, you know, I came here, I shaved before coming. 168 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,363 You didn't even leave. Do that drug now. 169 00:13:00,447 --> 00:13:02,365 We're working on it, Tony. I'm going there now. 170 00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:05,952 Rucks, if you weren't a lawyer so good, I don't know what I would do without you. 171 00:13:06,036 --> 00:13:07,829 Tony, you look great. 172 00:13:08,538 --> 00:13:09,498 Thanks. 173 00:13:10,707 --> 00:13:14,002 I'm the man they called of a damn kidnapper. 174 00:13:14,085 --> 00:13:17,255 I'm a national hero, don't forget that. 175 00:13:18,256 --> 00:13:19,925 CRESTWOOD VILLAGE CONDOMINIUM 176 00:13:20,884 --> 00:13:21,760 Rucks! 177 00:13:22,802 --> 00:13:24,596 Rucks! Where are you going? 178 00:13:26,556 --> 00:13:28,183 What are we going to do? 179 00:13:28,850 --> 00:13:30,810 Hypothetically, this might be the kind of thing 180 00:13:30,894 --> 00:13:32,896 which the Order would not approve, you know. 181 00:13:34,397 --> 00:13:36,191 Rucks. Hey, listen. 182 00:13:37,901 --> 00:13:39,945 - What are we going to do? - Us? 183 00:13:41,404 --> 00:13:45,242 This, my friend, is where we part. 184 00:13:46,910 --> 00:13:49,871 - Rucks. What do you mean, Rucks? - Yes. 185 00:13:51,957 --> 00:13:52,874 Rucks! 186 00:14:00,382 --> 00:14:01,800 Where's Jimmie? 187 00:14:01,883 --> 00:14:04,010 - Jimmie is on his way... - Where's my brother Jimmie? 188 00:14:04,094 --> 00:14:05,971 It's on its way, Tony. He is well? It's coming. 189 00:14:06,054 --> 00:14:09,057 I love that man. He's quite a guy. 190 00:14:09,140 --> 00:14:11,476 A hell of a guy. I know a lot of good people. 191 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:16,439 I have friends who might be seeing this in several places, 192 00:14:16,523 --> 00:14:19,317 and I want you to know that I'm not trying to be funny. 193 00:14:20,610 --> 00:14:24,072 I never liked notoriety, and today I like it even less. 194 00:14:26,908 --> 00:14:30,787 My aunt in Akron, Ohio, and my cousins. 195 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:33,957 I have good Greek friends in the state of Florida 196 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,042 and some people who I was in the army with... 197 00:14:37,794 --> 00:14:39,879 Who I was in the army with in New England. 198 00:14:42,048 --> 00:14:44,342 And the good people of Indianapolis. 199 00:14:44,426 --> 00:14:46,761 I want you to know that, By God, I was right. 200 00:14:48,722 --> 00:14:50,640 And this should prove it. 201 00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:57,022 You don't need to be ashamed. And I I was terrified because I had embarrassed myself... 202 00:15:02,944 --> 00:15:05,905 And I need to apologize with this man's family. 203 00:15:05,989 --> 00:15:07,574 Sorry, Dick. 204 00:15:08,491 --> 00:15:11,494 Sorry for humiliating you like that. 205 00:15:12,287 --> 00:15:15,332 - Tony, are you okay? - Yes. Yeah. I'm firm. 206 00:15:18,543 --> 00:15:20,170 And I cry all the time. 207 00:15:21,671 --> 00:15:24,132 It makes women like me. They think I'm sensitive. 208 00:15:29,888 --> 00:15:31,723 Let's go somewhere cooler, Tony. 209 00:15:31,806 --> 00:15:34,517 - Yes. - Maybe the back room. 210 00:15:34,601 --> 00:15:35,518 Yes. 211 00:15:35,602 --> 00:15:37,479 - Let's go, then. - Let's go to a cool room. 212 00:15:37,562 --> 00:15:40,231 - You can sit down while we wait Jimmie. - Don't trip, darling! 213 00:15:49,366 --> 00:15:53,328 He's moving away and they are turning the corner. 214 00:15:53,411 --> 00:15:57,165 He says he wants to go to a cooler place... 215 00:15:58,041 --> 00:16:01,753 I repeat, Tony Kiritsis, which still maintains the dead man's thread 216 00:16:01,836 --> 00:16:04,506 held hostage, Dick Hall. 217 00:16:04,589 --> 00:16:08,051 They are meeting behind closed doors. For now, we wait. 218 00:16:14,683 --> 00:16:17,519 You have a Superior Court judge for his bail hearing 219 00:16:17,602 --> 00:16:19,813 - when will this end? - Correct. 220 00:16:19,896 --> 00:16:21,314 No discussion about bail. 221 00:16:21,398 --> 00:16:23,024 The judge watches the news. 222 00:16:29,698 --> 00:16:33,493 'Cause we can't do shit or we're fucked. 223 00:16:33,576 --> 00:16:36,162 Yes, I'm aware of that, Gene. 224 00:17:02,647 --> 00:17:03,898 Change of plans. 225 00:17:06,901 --> 00:17:09,279 I LOVE TONY 226 00:17:09,362 --> 00:17:11,740 FREE TONY 227 00:17:50,987 --> 00:17:53,072 Go fuck yourself! 228 00:17:54,657 --> 00:17:59,496 I want to do that was three days ago. Shit. 229 00:17:59,579 --> 00:18:01,372 Drug. No! 230 00:18:02,957 --> 00:18:04,292 I have immunity! 231 00:18:05,084 --> 00:18:06,836 - I have immunity! - Bagging. 232 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,046 I have immunity! 233 00:18:08,129 --> 00:18:10,757 You voided the deal when you came armed, Tony. 234 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,425 I have immunity. 235 00:18:13,927 --> 00:18:17,138 You would never give me anyway, would you? 236 00:18:25,396 --> 00:18:26,773 Did you know that? 237 00:18:29,776 --> 00:18:31,069 Did you know that? 238 00:18:33,655 --> 00:18:34,531 Take him. 239 00:18:39,285 --> 00:18:40,703 -Tony! -Tony! 240 00:18:53,591 --> 00:18:54,467 Fred. 241 00:18:54,551 --> 00:18:56,553 - Is he going to jail? - Fred! 242 00:18:59,931 --> 00:19:00,807 Fred! 243 00:20:04,412 --> 00:20:07,916 After 68 hours, the crisis ended peacefully. 244 00:20:07,999 --> 00:20:10,209 Richard Hall released from hospital 245 00:20:10,293 --> 00:20:13,087 and now rest at home with his wife and children. 246 00:20:13,796 --> 00:20:16,299 Preliminary hearing begins today by Anthony Kiritsis. 247 00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:17,216 TWO MONTHS LATER 248 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:20,970 Judge Michael Dugan will replace Judge John Tranberg of the Criminal Court. 249 00:20:21,054 --> 00:20:23,598 Kiritsis is in prison accused of kidnapping, 250 00:20:23,681 --> 00:20:26,017 extortion and armed robbery. 251 00:20:26,768 --> 00:20:29,938 Kiritsis is contesting the right of the State to prosecute him for having 252 00:20:30,647 --> 00:20:32,357 an immunity agreement. 253 00:20:33,191 --> 00:20:36,110 Kiritsis can also raise questions of improper collusion 254 00:20:36,194 --> 00:20:38,571 with your lawyers, John Ruckelshaus and Charles Wilson, 255 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,908 and public prosecutors during the crisis. 256 00:20:41,991 --> 00:20:43,159 It's 9:25 am. 257 00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:46,621 Next, sports highlights, then the rural bulletin and, at the turn of the hour, 258 00:20:46,704 --> 00:20:49,248 a listener will be able to play "Break the Bank" and win prizes. 259 00:20:49,332 --> 00:20:51,250 This is WIBC. 260 00:20:51,334 --> 00:20:54,921 WI, WIBC 261 00:20:55,004 --> 00:20:58,299 Take time for your morning commute And share 262 00:20:58,383 --> 00:21:01,636 By the number of cups Freshly brewed coffee 263 00:21:01,719 --> 00:21:04,555 Multiply by time... 264 00:21:04,639 --> 00:21:06,599 Ginny, anything? 265 00:21:06,683 --> 00:21:08,643 Indiana Bell has not yet spoken. 266 00:21:08,726 --> 00:21:11,354 - Did you try the secretaries? - I even bought Tupperware for two. 267 00:21:11,437 --> 00:21:12,480 They don't say anything, 268 00:21:12,563 --> 00:21:15,566 but I have a lead from a former employee who was there during the crisis. 269 00:21:15,650 --> 00:21:17,402 Supposedly, not confirmed. 270 00:21:17,485 --> 00:21:20,029 I think she's going to talk. So maybe not supposedly. 271 00:21:20,113 --> 00:21:21,447 I take back what I said. 272 00:21:23,408 --> 00:21:25,410 So, nothing concrete yet. 273 00:21:27,578 --> 00:21:30,248 I would love to plant a seed. 274 00:21:30,331 --> 00:21:31,708 Saying what? 275 00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:35,962 Talk about existence of illegal eavesdropping on a transmission. 276 00:21:42,093 --> 00:21:44,053 - Big day today. - Yes. 277 00:21:45,722 --> 00:21:47,390 Do you know what Tony will ask you? 278 00:21:48,391 --> 00:21:52,228 Probably because I lied about a fake radio immunity deal. 279 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:54,564 - What are you going to say? - I don't know. 280 00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:59,527 But it would be great if we could the tapes before I speak. 281 00:21:59,610 --> 00:22:03,156 This Judge Dugan is interesting. 282 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:07,243 He is very ambitious, keeping an eye on the mayor's office. 283 00:22:08,619 --> 00:22:13,791 Someone like Dugan needs the support police, lawyers and prosecutors. 284 00:22:13,875 --> 00:22:15,209 For sure. 285 00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:24,093 I received a call from a CBS Ralph Bass. 286 00:22:24,177 --> 00:22:25,720 Do you know what it's about? 287 00:22:25,803 --> 00:22:28,514 I have a feeling that someone will offer you a great job. 288 00:22:28,598 --> 00:22:32,268 Meeting. They need you up there. Very important. 289 00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:33,352 They need you there. 290 00:22:34,645 --> 00:22:36,147 He wants to make a movie. 291 00:22:36,689 --> 00:22:40,610 The flesh, the bones, the soul of this Tony Kiritsis saga. 292 00:22:40,693 --> 00:22:44,238 - Deadlock. Crazy press conference. - Fred, you could play it yourself. 293 00:22:44,322 --> 00:22:46,741 Maybe Fred could be a consultant. 294 00:22:46,824 --> 00:22:49,327 I can promote this a lot. And WIBC. 295 00:22:49,410 --> 00:22:51,704 We could even do the premiere here in the city in... 296 00:22:51,788 --> 00:22:53,372 - Pam, what's the theater... -Eastwood. 297 00:22:53,456 --> 00:22:54,457 Eastwood, exactly. 298 00:22:54,540 --> 00:22:57,001 Imagine this, your name shining on the big signs. 299 00:22:57,085 --> 00:22:58,795 - Yeah. Pleasure to meet you. - Yes. Right. 300 00:22:58,878 --> 00:22:59,879 I just want to say... 301 00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:04,342 - Oh my God, Fred. Help me. - We don't have time for that, Jerry, right? 302 00:23:04,425 --> 00:23:05,968 We have a clue about listening. 303 00:23:06,052 --> 00:23:08,930 It's someone with aluminum foil on their head Or is it a real clue? 304 00:23:09,013 --> 00:23:11,474 Because I'm starting worrying about you, Fred. 305 00:23:11,557 --> 00:23:14,811 You look crazy talking about these tapes. 306 00:23:14,894 --> 00:23:16,813 You need to get your head straight, man. 307 00:23:16,896 --> 00:23:20,858 Think about the audience we can achieve with this cross-marketing. 308 00:23:20,942 --> 00:23:23,277 Let Tony go to jail or to the hospice. 309 00:23:23,361 --> 00:23:26,614 This is a real movie and you're the fucking hero. 310 00:23:26,697 --> 00:23:29,700 You saved the day. That's the story. 311 00:23:31,035 --> 00:23:32,912 - Hey. Right. - We are fine? 312 00:23:32,995 --> 00:23:34,664 Yes, there are always some setbacks, but... 313 00:23:34,747 --> 00:23:35,832 Will it happen? 314 00:23:35,915 --> 00:23:40,294 I know why you're here. I know you want an exclusive. 315 00:23:40,378 --> 00:23:43,714 A WIBC exclusive. 316 00:23:44,674 --> 00:23:47,051 I'll tell you why you won't make it. 317 00:23:48,511 --> 00:23:50,471 Barbara Walters. 318 00:23:51,389 --> 00:23:56,310 Currently, it is considered the best and most exciting interviewer in the country. 319 00:23:56,394 --> 00:23:58,813 It gets more audience than anyone. 320 00:23:58,896 --> 00:24:02,150 So let's go to Barbara Walters. 321 00:24:04,694 --> 00:24:11,284 Meridian Mortgage will finally fix the chaos 322 00:24:11,367 --> 00:24:17,206 that you and your ilk have caused against this beautiful American company and my family. 323 00:24:17,290 --> 00:24:19,125 - Mr. Hall... - I didn't finish. 324 00:24:21,294 --> 00:24:28,092 You won't have access to me, Dick or any other Meridian employee. 325 00:24:29,343 --> 00:24:32,221 - Did Angie offer you a drink? - Yes... 326 00:24:32,305 --> 00:24:34,473 Yes, definitely. 327 00:24:34,557 --> 00:24:37,435 Mr. Hall, Thanks again for having us. 328 00:24:37,518 --> 00:24:39,854 We just have more some questions for Dick. 329 00:24:39,937 --> 00:24:42,481 Dick is currently unwell. 330 00:24:42,565 --> 00:24:45,693 He is shaving and cutting his hair 331 00:24:45,776 --> 00:24:51,908 before crossing the skies of TWA for a glorious interview. 332 00:24:51,991 --> 00:24:53,910 If you have any questions, you can ask me. 333 00:24:54,410 --> 00:24:55,912 What happens now? 334 00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:58,956 - Like I said... - Sorry. 335 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,668 I meant the land, the 17 acres. 336 00:25:02,752 --> 00:25:05,504 Some judicial auction, right, M.L.? 337 00:25:05,588 --> 00:25:07,131 Something like that. 338 00:25:08,299 --> 00:25:11,928 And what do you think of the preliminary hearing? from Mr. Kiritsis today? 339 00:25:13,721 --> 00:25:17,058 Throw this little man in prison and throw away the key. 340 00:25:17,141 --> 00:25:20,645 He doesn't deserve my thoughts, my time or a trial. 341 00:25:21,562 --> 00:25:22,772 Interesting. 342 00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:30,112 Well, I thought you, sir, of all people, 343 00:25:30,947 --> 00:25:34,408 someone who has been through the legal system 344 00:25:34,492 --> 00:25:37,286 and was convicted of a crime of fraud, 345 00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:40,331 would understand the need of a fair trial. 346 00:25:40,414 --> 00:25:43,459 Ben, I don't think there's any reason to insult Mr. Hall. 347 00:25:44,168 --> 00:25:45,670 Sorry, M.L. 348 00:25:46,504 --> 00:25:49,674 It's okay, Fred. Let him do his worst. 349 00:25:56,639 --> 00:25:59,100 You think you know everything, don't you? 350 00:26:00,017 --> 00:26:01,602 I think we've stayed too long. 351 00:26:01,686 --> 00:26:04,605 Yes. Good luck with the big interview tomorrow, 352 00:26:04,689 --> 00:26:08,276 and I apologize for any resentment due to our coverage. 353 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,153 I have no doubt that, under your leadership, 354 00:26:11,237 --> 00:26:14,532 Meridian will recover its reputation. 355 00:26:15,658 --> 00:26:16,701 Thanks, Fred. 356 00:26:17,493 --> 00:26:19,161 Maybe we'll see each other at the club. 357 00:26:19,662 --> 00:26:20,621 Perhaps. 358 00:26:22,415 --> 00:26:24,250 I wouldn't say anything like that on the air, 359 00:26:24,333 --> 00:26:27,670 but I thought you led the situation with authority. 360 00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:31,090 But I was thinking about one thing. 361 00:26:31,173 --> 00:26:34,677 When you knew that the promissory note was fake? 362 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,430 Because it was a masterstroke. 363 00:26:38,764 --> 00:26:41,892 I didn't need Chief Gallagher told me when you said it, 364 00:26:41,976 --> 00:26:45,688 if that's what you're asking. I wasn't born yesterday. 365 00:26:45,771 --> 00:26:50,109 - So he told you on the first call? - Quite an act, if you ask me. 366 00:26:50,192 --> 00:26:51,193 For sure. 367 00:26:52,111 --> 00:26:53,237 Thanks again. 368 00:27:03,581 --> 00:27:05,124 - How did I do? - Very good. 369 00:27:08,127 --> 00:27:10,921 We have confirmation. Gallagher called him. 370 00:27:11,005 --> 00:27:12,923 Everything was planned from the beginning. 371 00:27:14,467 --> 00:27:16,927 You'll do fine. Let's get these guys. 372 00:27:18,763 --> 00:27:23,059 UNITED STATES FEDERAL COURT 373 00:27:26,604 --> 00:27:30,483 Before this is all over, and I don't know what will happen to us. 374 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,318 Well... 375 00:27:36,572 --> 00:27:38,074 I forgive you. 376 00:27:40,743 --> 00:27:42,203 I also forgive you. 377 00:27:45,831 --> 00:27:48,626 And you get a free steak whenever it comes. 378 00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:50,753 Thanks, Tony. 379 00:27:58,135 --> 00:27:59,470 My God. 380 00:28:02,306 --> 00:28:05,768 Everything will be fine. Right, Fred? Are we going to be okay? 381 00:28:08,396 --> 00:28:09,438 You go, Tony. 382 00:28:12,483 --> 00:28:14,360 What will happen to us? 383 00:28:17,196 --> 00:28:19,698 ...before they enter the courtroom. 384 00:28:20,366 --> 00:28:21,450 How cold. 385 00:28:30,918 --> 00:28:32,086 There he is! 386 00:28:33,087 --> 00:28:35,005 I'm a celebrity... 387 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,343 They come at me like I'm John Wayne. 388 00:28:41,512 --> 00:28:44,348 It's the truth. How many people can say that? 389 00:28:48,894 --> 00:28:49,937 Heckman residence. 390 00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:51,230 - Hi. - Hi. 391 00:28:51,313 --> 00:28:52,815 How is the patient? 392 00:28:53,649 --> 00:28:54,775 No longer have a fever? 393 00:28:54,859 --> 00:28:59,280 No fever. We were having a nutritious lunch. 394 00:29:00,364 --> 00:29:01,490 Are you in court? 395 00:29:01,574 --> 00:29:03,951 Yes, I just saw Tony walk by. 396 00:29:04,034 --> 00:29:05,786 Did you manage to find the tapes? 397 00:29:06,412 --> 00:29:09,039 Gina might have a clue. 398 00:29:09,874 --> 00:29:11,542 Are you worried about testifying? 399 00:29:12,251 --> 00:29:14,628 A lot of people will be upset with what I have to say. 400 00:29:14,712 --> 00:29:16,380 Important people. 401 00:29:17,923 --> 00:29:20,217 When I testify, they will know we are behind them. 402 00:29:20,843 --> 00:29:24,680 Are you afraid that we will lose our good reputation at the club? 403 00:29:25,848 --> 00:29:27,475 I think something like that. 404 00:29:27,558 --> 00:29:31,353 - We'll be fine. - I'll talk to you later, I have to go. 405 00:29:40,905 --> 00:29:41,739 My God. 406 00:29:42,573 --> 00:29:46,494 Who's in the gallery? Martz, Rimstidt, Prosecutor Kelley? 407 00:29:47,244 --> 00:29:50,080 - How is the press out there? - I don't know. 408 00:29:50,164 --> 00:29:51,790 It's just a preliminary hearing. 409 00:29:53,834 --> 00:29:57,713 It would be better for your campaign if it was crowded. 410 00:30:01,342 --> 00:30:02,468 Fred Heckman is here. 411 00:30:04,553 --> 00:30:05,387 Oh, how good. 412 00:30:09,433 --> 00:30:12,394 Ladies and gentlemen, This is a preliminary hearing. 413 00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:15,731 State of Indiana v. Anthony G. Kiritsis. 414 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,692 The objective will be to determine if there is enough evidence 415 00:30:18,776 --> 00:30:21,237 in this case to continue with a full trial. 416 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,906 Mr. Mullin, You can call your first witness. 417 00:30:25,199 --> 00:30:27,993 We would like to call Mr. John Ruckelshaus to testify. 418 00:30:30,037 --> 00:30:32,748 Witnesses, please wait outside. We will call you. 419 00:30:40,422 --> 00:30:43,592 Mr. Ruckelshaus, what was the nature of the negotiations 420 00:30:43,676 --> 00:30:46,804 that he had with the assistant prosecutors Mr. Martz and Mr. Rimstidt? 421 00:30:46,887 --> 00:30:51,934 Well, as standard as possible, considering the crisis we were in. 422 00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:54,520 I suspected that the agreement immunity would not be honored? 423 00:30:54,603 --> 00:30:56,105 No way. 424 00:30:56,188 --> 00:30:59,400 If you and your honor allow, 425 00:30:59,483 --> 00:31:01,860 Can I read my account of the facts? 426 00:31:02,444 --> 00:31:04,655 - I allow it. - Of course, John. Go ahead. 427 00:31:06,365 --> 00:31:07,366 Right. 428 00:31:07,449 --> 00:31:12,705 "On February 9, 1977, at a meeting with promoters Martz and Rimstidt, 429 00:31:12,788 --> 00:31:16,458 I said the following. Open quotes: 'The right to a fair and zealous defense 430 00:31:16,542 --> 00:31:21,088 is inalienable, regardless of the that Mr. Kiritsis did or did not do. 431 00:31:21,171 --> 00:31:24,758 If you think for a second what I or my colleague will do 432 00:31:24,842 --> 00:31:29,263 something other than honestly defending Mr. Kiritsis, think again.' 433 00:31:29,346 --> 00:31:33,392 Close quotation marks. "Then I demanded total criminal immunity, 434 00:31:33,475 --> 00:31:35,853 as Mr. Kiritsis ordered.” 435 00:31:38,856 --> 00:31:40,733 What a fucking day. 436 00:31:43,861 --> 00:31:47,823 Nobody was shot. Nobody died. And what is my reward? 437 00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:51,869 This fucking lunatic and this fucking preliminary hearing. 438 00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:55,623 That's why people They hate lawyers. 439 00:31:58,542 --> 00:31:59,752 Are you okay, Fred? 440 00:32:01,712 --> 00:32:06,925 Don't you think... strange that Tony's old lawyer 441 00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:10,387 and Tony's new lawyer are so close? 442 00:32:13,057 --> 00:32:15,100 Stay focused, Fred. 443 00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:24,943 And his discussions with the prosecution never touched on other topics 444 00:32:25,027 --> 00:32:27,404 other than the case of Mr. Kiritsis? 445 00:32:27,488 --> 00:32:28,322 No, sir. 446 00:32:28,405 --> 00:32:31,158 And you always adhered to the outlined ethics 447 00:32:31,241 --> 00:32:34,119 - by the Order of Indianapolis? - Yes sir. 448 00:32:34,203 --> 00:32:38,499 Somebody, Chief Gallagher or somebody of the prosecutor's office, has already suggested to you 449 00:32:38,582 --> 00:32:41,335 that they weren't doing the offer of immunity in good faith? 450 00:32:41,418 --> 00:32:42,628 No. 451 00:32:43,545 --> 00:32:45,047 No further questions, Your Honor. 452 00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:48,342 - No more... - Mr. Kiritsis. 453 00:32:48,425 --> 00:32:50,552 - Your Honor. - I don't want to alert you again. 454 00:32:50,636 --> 00:32:53,597 Given the friendly and pre-existing relationship 455 00:32:53,681 --> 00:32:56,892 between my current defense lawyer and my former defense attorney, 456 00:32:56,975 --> 00:33:01,146 and given the fact that the only reason why I'm here is to get the protections 457 00:33:01,230 --> 00:33:05,234 that were unconstitutionally denied in February this year, 458 00:33:05,317 --> 00:33:08,904 from now on, in this hearing, I will act in my own cause. 459 00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:11,990 - Tony, I really... - No, thank you. Yeah, okay. Your Honor. 460 00:33:12,074 --> 00:33:13,492 Did you record everything, dear? 461 00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:19,164 You can represent yourself, Mr. Kiritsis, but I need to warn you. 462 00:33:19,248 --> 00:33:24,420 As Abraham Lincoln himself said: whoever If you represent yourself, you have a fool for a client. 463 00:33:24,503 --> 00:33:27,923 Thank you, Your Honor. I intend to be my most zealous advocate. 464 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:29,091 Clarence Darrow. 465 00:33:30,676 --> 00:33:31,969 You can go, friend. 466 00:33:40,894 --> 00:33:41,770 Good luck. 467 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,534 - You owe me new shoes. - It wasn't my best moment, sorry. 468 00:33:56,326 --> 00:34:01,081 - It was three crazy days... - Let me ask you a question. 469 00:34:02,958 --> 00:34:08,046 If Meridian's promissory note had been upheld by a court, 470 00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:09,757 What would be your rate? 471 00:34:10,674 --> 00:34:12,092 Sorry, I didn't understand. 472 00:34:12,176 --> 00:34:17,097 It's a five million dollar offer. Are you considering what your fee would be? 473 00:34:17,181 --> 00:34:19,558 Well I was a little busy, If you remember... 474 00:34:19,641 --> 00:34:23,103 I just don't remember reading this nowhere, and the promissory note... 475 00:34:23,812 --> 00:34:28,734 He would be the first lawyer I know not agreeing on fees in advance. 476 00:34:32,321 --> 00:34:33,947 He really messed with you. 477 00:34:34,698 --> 00:34:38,577 I look forward to hearing them all your crazy ideas on the radio. 478 00:34:38,660 --> 00:34:42,831 I've always loved the sound of your voice, Fred. I'm sure you do too. 479 00:34:47,836 --> 00:34:53,801 At some point, the legal offer of immunity, 480 00:34:53,884 --> 00:34:57,805 which I have already presented as proof, Was it intentional honestly? 481 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,894 It wasn't fake. You broke the agreement when you came armed. 482 00:35:03,977 --> 00:35:08,440 And the promise to come unarmed was done over the phone, 483 00:35:08,524 --> 00:35:11,193 and not in writing in the original document. 484 00:35:11,276 --> 00:35:12,778 Correct? 485 00:35:12,861 --> 00:35:14,822 Correct. 486 00:35:14,905 --> 00:35:19,576 Mr. Wilson, do you think the State intended honor my offer of immunity? 487 00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:22,120 On the advice of my lawyer, I am exercising my right 488 00:35:22,663 --> 00:35:24,790 to remain silent and not incriminate me. 489 00:35:24,873 --> 00:35:27,334 I can answer the question for him, Your Honor? 490 00:35:27,417 --> 00:35:29,461 No, Mr. Kiritsis, you can't. 491 00:35:29,545 --> 00:35:32,297 Fake is a loaded word. 492 00:35:32,381 --> 00:35:36,468 You broke the agreement when you took a loaded gun in the lobby. 493 00:35:36,552 --> 00:35:42,307 Mr. Martz, why did you meet with my lawyers at odd hours, 494 00:35:42,391 --> 00:35:46,311 in secret, if not to inform them of your plan? 495 00:35:46,395 --> 00:35:49,648 What is the policy of the Indianapolis Police 496 00:35:49,731 --> 00:35:51,275 when it comes to storing evidence? 497 00:35:51,358 --> 00:35:55,654 Any pertinent evidence is stored until necessary. 498 00:35:55,737 --> 00:35:57,990 - A moment like now? - Of course. 499 00:35:58,073 --> 00:36:02,744 Unfortunately I can't talk about the exact storage procedure 500 00:36:02,828 --> 00:36:06,290 or archiving alleged tapes. 501 00:36:06,373 --> 00:36:08,500 - I know about them. I know! - Your Honor. 502 00:36:08,584 --> 00:36:11,712 On the advice of my lawyer, I exercise my right to remain silent. 503 00:36:11,795 --> 00:36:14,756 - I didn't help or be an accomplice. - I'm the chief of police. 504 00:36:15,299 --> 00:36:19,469 I don't answer to anyone, except to Mrs. Gallagher and God. 505 00:36:19,553 --> 00:36:23,098 Well, it's a legal precedent well established 506 00:36:23,181 --> 00:36:27,185 that agreements made under duress have no legal validity. 507 00:36:27,269 --> 00:36:28,312 I didn't help or... 508 00:36:28,395 --> 00:36:30,355 - I don't remember. - I don't remember exactly. 509 00:36:30,439 --> 00:36:31,523 I don't remember. 510 00:36:31,607 --> 00:36:34,026 The incompetence. The incompetence of these... 511 00:36:34,109 --> 00:36:36,778 - And maybe they didn't even know to begin with. - And the drink? 512 00:36:36,862 --> 00:36:39,656 Denies that there was an excess of drink during the incident 513 00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:42,075 - what impaired your judgment? - Your Honor, really? 514 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:46,246 Why did you represent me if you thought I was crazy? 515 00:36:49,875 --> 00:36:53,462 I thought it deserved representation, 516 00:36:54,171 --> 00:36:58,759 but he also needed hospitalization. 517 00:37:06,892 --> 00:37:09,770 Your Honor. I would like to request a recess, please. 518 00:37:28,997 --> 00:37:29,831 Tony? 519 00:37:31,375 --> 00:37:34,962 Looks like they managed to give you a little peace and tranquility, right? 520 00:37:35,712 --> 00:37:38,048 Yes. Officers Dunlap and Cotes they are good men. 521 00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:41,635 I'm still trying to find evidence of collusion between... 522 00:37:41,718 --> 00:37:44,596 Keep it to testify. I don't believe anything you say. 523 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,348 I don't believe anything you say. 524 00:37:48,475 --> 00:37:49,935 Take me, boys. 525 00:37:55,983 --> 00:37:58,527 Swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, 526 00:37:58,610 --> 00:38:00,862 - under penalty of perjury? - Interest. 527 00:38:06,243 --> 00:38:07,285 Mr. Heckman. 528 00:38:09,830 --> 00:38:12,582 I was just another interviewee for you? 529 00:38:14,376 --> 00:38:15,252 And that? 530 00:38:16,253 --> 00:38:19,006 When I called you, He must have rubbed his hands together. 531 00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:23,969 The interview of a lifetime. Sorry for the language, Your Honor. 532 00:38:25,721 --> 00:38:28,181 You put me on the air and made me talk, 533 00:38:28,265 --> 00:38:30,517 not because I believed that I had something to say, 534 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,185 but for selfish reasons? 535 00:38:32,269 --> 00:38:33,770 Is there a relevant question there? 536 00:38:33,854 --> 00:38:37,941 You made me trust you. You told me things to make me open up. 537 00:38:38,025 --> 00:38:41,194 Meanwhile, you and others suits are laughing at my expense. 538 00:38:41,278 --> 00:38:43,488 - The question, Mr. Kiritsis. - Here's the question. 539 00:38:43,572 --> 00:38:48,076 You feel guilty for lying to the public and betray their trust? 540 00:38:50,746 --> 00:38:52,456 Yes, Tony. Yes. 541 00:38:52,539 --> 00:38:54,082 Why did you do that, Fred? 542 00:38:55,751 --> 00:38:56,585 Why? 543 00:38:57,252 --> 00:38:59,755 Why was I trying save two lives, Tony. 544 00:39:00,338 --> 00:39:03,675 If you want, you can ask the same questions what he did to the other witnesses. 545 00:39:03,759 --> 00:39:06,178 No, I don't need to, I already know what you're going to say. 546 00:39:06,261 --> 00:39:08,138 - I don't think you know. - I'm Fred Heckman. 547 00:39:08,221 --> 00:39:11,475 - The biggest liar of all. - Tony, I'm here to tell the truth. 548 00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:15,479 - If you want to ask about immunity... - Objection, Your Honor. 549 00:39:15,562 --> 00:39:18,023 - Ask about immunity. - I protest, Your Honor. 550 00:39:18,106 --> 00:39:20,067 Mr. Heckman, answer what they asked you... 551 00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:24,821 No further questions, Your Honor. No I wouldn't believe anything this man says. 552 00:39:24,905 --> 00:39:27,908 I liked him better when he was a voice on the radio that I could turn off. 553 00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:31,203 At least with a lawyer, You know you're going to be deceived. 554 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:37,000 The witness is excused. 555 00:40:03,902 --> 00:40:05,320 Have you packed your bags yet? 556 00:40:07,614 --> 00:40:10,450 I'm not doing the interview. 557 00:40:11,618 --> 00:40:13,495 Canceled with Barbara Walters? 558 00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:17,791 - Does M.L. know? - No. 559 00:40:20,293 --> 00:40:21,878 So where are you going? 560 00:40:21,962 --> 00:40:26,174 I'm going to take a drive and relax. 561 00:40:28,969 --> 00:40:31,096 I hope you get home in time for dinner. 562 00:40:40,272 --> 00:40:44,025 Who wants to dance? 563 00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:46,528 Yes. 564 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,718 Hello. 565 00:41:12,429 --> 00:41:13,889 How did you find me? 566 00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:16,808 You know, Barb. 567 00:41:19,227 --> 00:41:20,145 Ibby. 568 00:41:20,979 --> 00:41:23,023 A beer, please. Any draft beer. 569 00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:29,362 Thanks. 570 00:41:36,912 --> 00:41:39,706 So, no, no big... 571 00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:44,377 No big interviews, I guess. No national exposure for Meridian. 572 00:41:44,461 --> 00:41:45,378 No. 573 00:41:47,088 --> 00:41:48,048 No. 574 00:41:49,382 --> 00:41:52,302 How was it with Tony today? Are we going to have to testify at trial? 575 00:41:52,385 --> 00:41:56,014 It seems so. The judge rejected Tony's motion, so... 576 00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:01,603 I don't know if I can, Fred. 577 00:42:03,313 --> 00:42:07,567 A courtroom full of strangers. Do I have to relive all that? 578 00:42:08,902 --> 00:42:12,906 Unfortunately, We don't have the tapes to catch people 579 00:42:12,989 --> 00:42:14,616 who lied. 580 00:42:16,368 --> 00:42:19,246 You've been fucking focused on Tony. 581 00:42:20,872 --> 00:42:24,042 You know, how Tony was wronged. 582 00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:29,422 I think crime pays. 583 00:42:36,137 --> 00:42:37,222 I'm sorry, Dick. 584 00:42:40,725 --> 00:42:43,353 I know. I know. 585 00:42:46,314 --> 00:42:47,565 But I don't understand. 586 00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:50,735 I don't understand. 587 00:42:55,365 --> 00:42:56,783 I'll tell you something. 588 00:42:58,368 --> 00:43:02,664 On the first day, when it was dragged from the office into the cold, 589 00:43:02,747 --> 00:43:06,167 with that wire around your neck, 590 00:43:07,294 --> 00:43:09,254 I thought to myself, “There’s no way. 591 00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:11,881 There's no way this guy survives." 592 00:43:11,965 --> 00:43:15,093 Every hour in that apartment, I thought the same thing. 593 00:43:15,176 --> 00:43:17,721 There's no way this guy can survive this. 594 00:43:17,804 --> 00:43:20,181 How did you do it, Dick? How did you survive? 595 00:43:23,101 --> 00:43:25,395 You have to find a small... 596 00:43:28,273 --> 00:43:31,109 peaceful place inside you that no one can touch. 597 00:43:34,112 --> 00:43:35,363 You stay there. 598 00:43:42,412 --> 00:43:43,371 Do you know? 599 00:43:47,167 --> 00:43:48,376 Can you give me one more? 600 00:43:52,797 --> 00:43:54,758 You know, I had a recorder in my pocket 601 00:43:54,841 --> 00:43:57,385 that night when the three of us we were in the back room. 602 00:44:01,097 --> 00:44:02,766 It doesn't surprise me. 603 00:44:04,184 --> 00:44:07,979 Will you use it? Any big revelations or something? 604 00:44:13,735 --> 00:44:16,237 I didn't share it with anyone. 605 00:45:23,805 --> 00:45:27,058 After being considered not guilty by reason of insanity, 606 00:45:27,142 --> 00:45:30,562 Anthony Kiritsis was referred to a psychiatric hospital 607 00:45:30,645 --> 00:45:33,398 to undergo psychiatric evaluation. 608 00:45:34,232 --> 00:45:37,819 President Carter will participate in Dial-a-President, 609 00:45:37,902 --> 00:45:44,242 a program with connections from listeners CBS News hosted by Walter Cronkite. 610 00:45:49,205 --> 00:45:51,332 Fred Heckman to see Tony Kiritsis. 611 00:45:51,416 --> 00:45:53,501 Sign and put the time, please. 612 00:46:10,185 --> 00:46:11,936 I didn't know if you'd welcome me, Tony. 613 00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:14,105 I have good news and bad news, 614 00:46:14,189 --> 00:46:17,484 and the bad news is that I can't find the tapes. I don't know what happened. 615 00:46:17,567 --> 00:46:21,029 Don't know what happened to the tapes? I know what happened to the tapes. 616 00:46:22,697 --> 00:46:24,657 They destroyed them. That's what happened. 617 00:46:24,741 --> 00:46:27,410 Ruckelshaus and the prosecutor's office made a parallel agreement 618 00:46:27,494 --> 00:46:30,830 on the police bribery investigation. 619 00:46:30,914 --> 00:46:34,876 And who was the scapegoat in this agreement? Me. Myself. 620 00:46:34,959 --> 00:46:37,420 I know this, you know this, and they did it. 621 00:46:37,504 --> 00:46:39,547 I should have done something when I could. 622 00:46:39,631 --> 00:46:42,091 Why don't you take the test, Tony? I say... 623 00:46:42,175 --> 00:46:45,512 The good news is that you were cleared by reason of insanity. 624 00:46:45,595 --> 00:46:47,222 If you undergo psychiatric evaluation, 625 00:46:47,305 --> 00:46:49,641 there's a good chance you'll leave, Isn't that what you want? 626 00:46:49,724 --> 00:46:54,354 Want me to submit to a test to decide if I'm crazy or not? 627 00:46:54,437 --> 00:46:58,107 I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy. I was never crazy. 628 00:46:58,191 --> 00:47:02,737 I won't let these people get into mine head. That's why I'm appealing, Fred. 629 00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:05,615 There are people who win on appeal. There is justice for the common man. 630 00:47:05,698 --> 00:47:07,283 They can't force me to take the test. 631 00:47:07,367 --> 00:47:11,412 It's against my constitutional right as an American. This I believe. 632 00:47:11,496 --> 00:47:13,831 The day I stop believing that I'm going to get out of here, 633 00:47:13,915 --> 00:47:15,708 It will be the day I stop being. 634 00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:21,005 I'm sorry I lied to you, Tony. 635 00:47:23,007 --> 00:47:24,300 You know, there's a... 636 00:47:25,718 --> 00:47:29,472 People can say whatever they want about me and say many things about me, 637 00:47:29,556 --> 00:47:33,059 but one thing they can't say is that I lied. 638 00:47:36,604 --> 00:47:38,773 There's no turning back from that, Fred. 639 00:47:40,692 --> 00:47:43,152 In the end, all a man has is his word. 640 00:47:44,571 --> 00:47:46,906 The only thing that people will remember about this 641 00:47:46,990 --> 00:47:49,534 is what a crazy person did hostage your mortgage broker. 642 00:47:55,498 --> 00:47:57,625 That night, when we were in the back room, 643 00:47:57,709 --> 00:48:00,545 I had a recorder in my pocket. 644 00:48:00,628 --> 00:48:02,130 Yes, it was to be expected. 645 00:48:02,839 --> 00:48:04,966 Be part of a great investigative report. 646 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,900 This is a list of all violations committed by these institutions. 647 00:48:24,068 --> 00:48:25,153 You were right. 648 00:48:26,362 --> 00:48:29,616 Judge Dugan received bribes in some cases, 649 00:48:29,699 --> 00:48:32,827 and the police colluded with their lawyers. 650 00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:35,997 It's all there, Tony. 651 00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:39,834 Make a fuss. 652 00:48:41,544 --> 00:48:44,130 We gave them a good show, isn't it, Fred? 653 00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:51,554 You would never say that. 654 00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:59,437 Sir. Sir, the patient refused the visit. 655 00:49:01,898 --> 00:49:04,692 - How it is? - Mr. Kiritsis doesn't want to see you. 656 00:49:07,153 --> 00:49:11,324 Can you give this to him? 657 00:49:12,075 --> 00:49:14,285 - I'll see what I can do. - Thanks. 658 00:49:47,485 --> 00:49:50,697 TONY AND DICK'S CONVERSATION IN THE BACK ROOM 659 00:50:20,059 --> 00:50:22,353 Doctor Davis, telephone please. 660 00:50:22,437 --> 00:50:24,814 Doctor Davis, telephone please. 661 00:51:45,269 --> 00:51:47,355 - Look who's here. - Hey! 662 00:51:47,438 --> 00:51:49,690 - The man of the moment. - Look at this beautiful family. 663 00:51:49,774 --> 00:51:52,652 - And you? - Yes. How are you? Are you enjoying it? 664 00:51:52,735 --> 00:51:54,570 It's great to see you. 665 00:51:54,654 --> 00:51:56,656 Listen, today is on me, but... 666 00:51:57,406 --> 00:51:59,492 Your kindness, of course, you can leave it. 667 00:51:59,575 --> 00:52:02,078 Right. It's good to see you all. It's good to see them. 668 00:52:02,161 --> 00:52:03,788 Right. Nice to see you. 669 00:52:05,289 --> 00:52:08,376 WIBC, December 1, 1978. 670 00:52:08,918 --> 00:52:13,339 Meridian Mortgage purchased the land from Tony for US$180,000 at court auction. 671 00:52:13,422 --> 00:52:14,298 FOR SALE - SOLD 672 00:52:14,382 --> 00:52:16,300 Exactly as Tony predicted. 673 00:52:16,384 --> 00:52:20,596 M.L., Bill and Jack Hall died right after the hostage crisis, 674 00:52:21,097 --> 00:52:22,598 Dick outlived them all. 675 00:52:23,224 --> 00:52:24,475 He and Ibby divorced. 676 00:52:25,268 --> 00:52:28,271 Dick got sober and stayed that way for the rest of your life. 677 00:52:29,272 --> 00:52:32,191 DA Kelley's Task Force which investigated police corruption 678 00:52:32,275 --> 00:52:35,570 was closed suspiciously two weeks after the crisis. 679 00:52:35,653 --> 00:52:37,655 Barbara Heckman went back to school 680 00:52:37,738 --> 00:52:42,243 finished college and worked as a computer programmer. 681 00:52:42,827 --> 00:52:44,662 After decades on the radio, 682 00:52:44,745 --> 00:52:49,542 Fred Heckman later left WIBC that she adopted the spoken radio format 683 00:52:49,625 --> 00:52:53,129 and started to prioritize infotainment. 684 00:52:54,005 --> 00:52:56,215 Tony was arrested for contempt to court for 10 years 685 00:52:56,299 --> 00:52:59,677 and was housed in the prison unit state for the criminally insane. 686 00:53:00,261 --> 00:53:06,267 It was the most contempt charge length of American history until 2009. 687 00:53:06,350 --> 00:53:07,435 What do you think? 688 00:53:08,978 --> 00:53:11,564 It says... It's saying that there is a conspiracy? 689 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:17,194 Every... Mr. Price told me, without a doubt, that there is a conspiracy. 690 00:53:17,278 --> 00:53:18,654 Has he ever told you that? 691 00:53:19,405 --> 00:53:21,699 Mr. Price told Joe Collins that there is a conspiracy. 692 00:53:21,782 --> 00:53:25,286 Mr. Price told Dan Luzader that there is a conspiracy. 693 00:53:25,369 --> 00:53:29,415 My question is: this is the past. What do you hope will happen now? 694 00:53:29,498 --> 00:53:32,793 Well, I'm a human being. I want my freedom. 695 00:53:32,877 --> 00:53:37,465 After years of fighting in court, Tony won a big victory 696 00:53:37,548 --> 00:53:41,510 when the Indiana Supreme Court ruled that the state could not force him 697 00:53:41,594 --> 00:53:44,263 to submit to a psychiatric evaluation. 698 00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:48,768 Tony was finally released in 1988. 699 00:53:50,728 --> 00:53:54,106 This is Fred Heckman from WIBC. 700 00:54:51,872 --> 00:54:53,791 Translation: Ana Giuliano