1 00:00:27,026 --> 00:00:29,236 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2 00:00:47,711 --> 00:00:48,796 MAN: One minute. 3 00:00:49,379 --> 00:00:50,380 One minute. 4 00:00:54,759 --> 00:00:56,344 [BELL RINGS] 5 00:00:58,345 --> 00:00:59,430 Hi. 6 00:01:00,639 --> 00:01:02,099 - How are you? - MAN: You can go right here. 7 00:01:03,642 --> 00:01:05,936 [UPBEAT COUNTRY ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 8 00:01:06,603 --> 00:01:08,188 {\an8}♪ Good things Utah ♪ 9 00:01:08,188 --> 00:01:10,106 {\an8}♪ Where the good things are ♪ 10 00:01:10,106 --> 00:01:11,608 {\an8}♪ Good things Utah ♪ 11 00:01:11,608 --> 00:01:13,193 {\an8}♪ Where the good things are ♪ 12 00:01:13,193 --> 00:01:15,236 {\an8}♪ Good things Utah ♪ 13 00:01:15,236 --> 00:01:19,240 {\an8}Joining us now is Matt. He's a certified DEI expert. 14 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,742 {\an8}And, Matt, let's start with what you do. 15 00:01:21,742 --> 00:01:23,953 {\an8}What is a certified DEI expert? 16 00:01:23,953 --> 00:01:26,330 {\an8}Well, that's someone who takes you on a journey 17 00:01:26,330 --> 00:01:27,831 {\an8}of diversity and inclusion. 18 00:01:27,831 --> 00:01:30,375 {\an8}And, um, speaking of journeys, you know, {\an8}And, um, speaking of journeys, you know, 19 00:01:30,375 --> 00:01:31,793 {\an8}it's all about how you begin the journey. 20 00:01:31,793 --> 00:01:32,877 We covered this in the workshop. 21 00:01:32,877 --> 00:01:33,962 I'd like to start with 22 00:01:33,962 --> 00:01:35,254 what's called a "land acknowledgement." 23 00:01:35,254 --> 00:01:36,798 I don't know if you're familiar with those. 24 00:01:36,798 --> 00:01:40,676 Um, I brought, uh, one along for this broadcast. 25 00:01:40,676 --> 00:01:43,429 {\an8}Uh, so, I'd like to begin by acknowledging 26 00:01:43,429 --> 00:01:46,640 {\an8}that this broadcast is airing in the traditional lands 27 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,475 {\an8}of the Ute, the Paiute, 28 00:01:48,475 --> 00:01:50,811 {\an8}the Goshute, and the Shoshone tribes. 29 00:01:50,811 --> 00:01:52,854 {\an8}These are the peoples who call this land home 30 00:01:52,854 --> 00:01:56,233 before it was ravaged and ransacked by the white man. 31 00:01:56,233 --> 00:01:58,067 {\an8}And this is a lot of things 32 00:01:58,067 --> 00:02:00,653 {\an8}that we don't necessarily think about. {\an8}that we don't necessarily think about. 33 00:02:00,653 --> 00:02:02,696 - MATT: Mm-hmm. - And this is part 34 00:02:02,696 --> 00:02:05,574 of the journey that you'd like to teach other folks 35 00:02:05,574 --> 00:02:06,825 - in your workshops. - Yeah. 36 00:02:06,825 --> 00:02:07,909 {\an8}If you wouldn't mind, 37 00:02:07,909 --> 00:02:09,703 {\an8}I'd go through the exercise right now. 38 00:02:09,703 --> 00:02:11,371 - Uh... - Go ahead. What is it? 39 00:02:11,371 --> 00:02:13,498 So, can we all do it together? 40 00:02:13,498 --> 00:02:15,083 - Yeah. Do we stand? - Yeah. Yeah, we stand for it. 41 00:02:15,083 --> 00:02:16,167 - Okay. - Okay. 42 00:02:16,167 --> 00:02:18,169 It's very, very simple. I start every day like this. 43 00:02:18,169 --> 00:02:19,962 So what you're doing is you're stretching, 44 00:02:19,962 --> 00:02:22,382 you're stretching, and this is more for you and less for you. 45 00:02:22,382 --> 00:02:24,759 {\an8}You're stretching up like this, 46 00:02:24,759 --> 00:02:26,051 {\an8}- and you're stretching out. - Mm-hmm. 47 00:02:26,051 --> 00:02:28,220 {\an8}What you're doing is you're stretching 48 00:02:28,220 --> 00:02:29,554 {\an8}out of your whiteness. 49 00:02:29,554 --> 00:02:31,681 Okay, so you're decentering your whiteness. Okay, so you're decentering your whiteness. 50 00:02:31,681 --> 00:02:33,433 You're stretching out of your whiteness. 51 00:02:34,142 --> 00:02:36,811 You're probably wondering if this is real. 52 00:02:36,811 --> 00:02:38,855 The answer is yes. It's real. 53 00:02:38,855 --> 00:02:41,857 That's me. Matt Walsh. In real life. 54 00:02:41,857 --> 00:02:44,360 With the man bun and the skinny jeans 55 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,822 on an actual news show as a certified DEI expert. 56 00:02:48,822 --> 00:02:49,907 {\an8}If you don't know, 57 00:02:49,907 --> 00:02:53,493 {\an8}DEI stands for diversity, equity, and inclusion. 58 00:02:53,493 --> 00:02:55,453 {\an8}It's all the rage right now. 59 00:02:55,453 --> 00:02:56,954 {\an8}But you're still probably asking, 60 00:02:56,954 --> 00:02:59,624 {\an8}what am I doing on this TV show? 61 00:02:59,624 --> 00:03:01,333 How did I get there? How did I get there? 62 00:03:01,333 --> 00:03:05,546 And how did I become a certified DEI expert? 63 00:03:05,546 --> 00:03:08,132 Well, it's a complicated story. 64 00:03:08,132 --> 00:03:10,509 [FUNKY MUSIC PLAYING] 65 00:03:49,628 --> 00:03:52,089 I've been a white guy my whole life. 66 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,174 Growing up in the '90s, 67 00:03:54,174 --> 00:03:56,134 I never thought much about race. 68 00:03:56,134 --> 00:03:57,719 I mean, yeah, sure, 69 00:03:57,719 --> 00:03:59,429 you noticed if somebody was Black 70 00:03:59,429 --> 00:04:01,556 or white or Mexican, or whatever, or white or Mexican, or whatever, 71 00:04:01,556 --> 00:04:04,391 but it never really seemed to matter that much. 72 00:04:04,391 --> 00:04:05,517 At least not to me. 73 00:04:05,517 --> 00:04:07,686 And we think the vast majority of Americans are racist? 74 00:04:07,686 --> 00:04:09,188 That's what I'm trying... I totally understand. 75 00:04:09,188 --> 00:04:11,732 I think that there is a significant portion, 76 00:04:11,732 --> 00:04:13,066 um, that are racist 77 00:04:13,066 --> 00:04:14,985 - and you can't... - MATT: These days, though, 78 00:04:14,985 --> 00:04:17,778 we're told that racial tensions are high. 79 00:04:17,778 --> 00:04:19,489 It's all over the media. 80 00:04:19,489 --> 00:04:22,158 There are a lot of racists in this country. 81 00:04:22,158 --> 00:04:23,784 {\an8}MAN: We're doing a big story about race in America. 82 00:04:23,784 --> 00:04:24,869 {\an8}Race in America. 83 00:04:24,869 --> 00:04:26,203 {\an8}KAMALA HARRIS: Black, Latino, 84 00:04:26,203 --> 00:04:28,914 {\an8}and Indigenous people are suffering and dying... 85 00:04:28,914 --> 00:04:30,374 {\an8}Violent, white supremacy. {\an8}Violent, white supremacy. 86 00:04:30,374 --> 00:04:31,458 {\an8}- White... - White... 87 00:04:31,458 --> 00:04:33,377 {\an8}- White entitlement. - This is America. 88 00:04:33,377 --> 00:04:36,004 {\an8}REPORTER: Overnight growing national unrest. 89 00:04:36,004 --> 00:04:38,507 {\an8}We've gotta do the work. 90 00:04:39,966 --> 00:04:42,135 - Coffee? - Yes. Thank you. 91 00:04:42,135 --> 00:04:43,427 How do you take it? 92 00:04:46,054 --> 00:04:47,431 [TENSE MUSIC BUILDS] 93 00:04:51,727 --> 00:04:52,853 - [MUSIC STOPS] - Black. 94 00:04:59,442 --> 00:05:01,027 That was awkward. That was awkward. 95 00:05:01,027 --> 00:05:03,112 Should I not have said "black"? 96 00:05:03,112 --> 00:05:04,697 That's how I like my coffee. 97 00:05:04,697 --> 00:05:06,782 I don't like cream. Is that so wrong? 98 00:05:06,782 --> 00:05:08,659 I don't think the two should be mixed. 99 00:05:08,659 --> 00:05:10,119 Okay, that does sound racist. 100 00:05:10,119 --> 00:05:12,371 Wait, am I racist? 101 00:05:12,871 --> 00:05:13,955 What is racism? 102 00:05:13,955 --> 00:05:17,583 If I'm gonna sort this out, I need to talk to an expert. 103 00:05:17,583 --> 00:05:20,420 Preferably someone outside of my bubble. 104 00:05:20,420 --> 00:05:22,047 Somebody who can speak with authority 105 00:05:22,047 --> 00:05:24,299 about the Black experience in America. 106 00:05:25,049 --> 00:05:26,759 Or I'll just talk to this white woman. 107 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:27,968 {\an8}This is Kate Slater. 108 00:05:27,968 --> 00:05:30,262 {\an8}She's an anti-racist scholar and educator. {\an8}She's an anti-racist scholar and educator. 109 00:05:30,262 --> 00:05:32,097 - Hi. Nice... - Nice to meet ya. How are ya? 110 00:05:32,097 --> 00:05:33,765 And you are the co-creator 111 00:05:33,765 --> 00:05:35,600 of something called the Anti-Racist 112 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,060 - Roadmap. - Roadmap. Yeah. 113 00:05:37,060 --> 00:05:38,269 So, what... what is that? 114 00:05:38,269 --> 00:05:41,856 After 2020, we saw 115 00:05:41,856 --> 00:05:44,400 a lot of white people saying, 116 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,820 "Okay, I know I need to do the work, 117 00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:49,405 "but I don't know what the work is." 118 00:05:49,405 --> 00:05:50,989 So what is the work? 119 00:05:50,989 --> 00:05:53,616 - [CHUCKLES DRILY] - 'Cause I wanna do... 120 00:05:53,616 --> 00:05:54,701 - The work. - Do that. 121 00:05:54,701 --> 00:05:56,119 I wanna do it too, but I don't know what... 122 00:05:56,119 --> 00:05:57,204 What is the work? 123 00:05:57,204 --> 00:06:01,291 I think, for white folks, the work is I think, for white folks, the work is 124 00:06:01,291 --> 00:06:04,460 reallocating our resources and privileges 125 00:06:04,460 --> 00:06:07,296 to balance out systemic inequities. 126 00:06:07,296 --> 00:06:10,632 So that means there is a white person who says, 127 00:06:10,632 --> 00:06:12,676 "Okay, I'm ready to interrupt racism," 128 00:06:12,676 --> 00:06:14,260 or, "I'm gonna be really nice 129 00:06:14,260 --> 00:06:15,596 "to that Black or brown person," 130 00:06:15,596 --> 00:06:17,222 because that's the work. 131 00:06:17,222 --> 00:06:19,474 But they're never willing to interrupt 132 00:06:19,474 --> 00:06:20,934 their shitty racist uncle. 133 00:06:20,934 --> 00:06:22,477 That's a powerful example for me. 134 00:06:22,477 --> 00:06:23,811 You mentioned a racist uncle. 135 00:06:23,811 --> 00:06:25,813 - [LAUGHS] I've got one, too. - Yeah. 136 00:06:25,813 --> 00:06:27,272 Well, you're saying, 137 00:06:27,272 --> 00:06:28,858 sometimes we have to confront those people. 138 00:06:28,858 --> 00:06:30,234 Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely. 139 00:06:30,234 --> 00:06:32,903 Because if you're not going to confront them, who is? 140 00:06:32,903 --> 00:06:35,072 When is the right age to talk to our kids 141 00:06:35,072 --> 00:06:36,323 about their racism? 142 00:06:36,865 --> 00:06:39,826 Before they can talk. [LAUGHING] 143 00:06:39,826 --> 00:06:41,119 I mean it. I... 144 00:06:41,119 --> 00:06:42,954 So my six-month-old baby, I used... 145 00:06:42,954 --> 00:06:45,248 Why the hell not? Why the hell not? 146 00:06:45,789 --> 00:06:47,416 My six-month-old... 147 00:06:47,416 --> 00:06:49,210 And honestly, they've gone through six months of life, 148 00:06:49,210 --> 00:06:51,420 I've never talked to them about racism. 149 00:06:51,420 --> 00:06:53,463 So my daughter's four years old. 150 00:06:53,463 --> 00:06:56,674 I am an anti-racist educator, quote-unquote. 151 00:06:56,674 --> 00:06:58,385 She's still watching Disney movies, 152 00:06:58,385 --> 00:07:01,929 and she is choosing a white princess over and she is choosing a white princess over 153 00:07:01,929 --> 00:07:03,390 princesses of color. 154 00:07:03,390 --> 00:07:04,474 Have you talked to her about that? 155 00:07:04,474 --> 00:07:05,600 All the time. 156 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,810 My three-year-old daughter is very... 157 00:07:07,810 --> 00:07:09,520 Her favorite princess is Moana. 158 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,188 - Love it. - It's a good sign. 159 00:07:11,188 --> 00:07:13,315 - Yeah. - But then I also thought, 160 00:07:13,857 --> 00:07:16,401 you know, it's a little bit of cultural appropriation here. 161 00:07:16,401 --> 00:07:17,944 She wants to be Moana for Halloween. 162 00:07:17,944 --> 00:07:19,029 Mm-hmm. 163 00:07:19,029 --> 00:07:21,114 So, how do we navigate that? 164 00:07:21,114 --> 00:07:24,159 - [SIGHS] - Do I go and buy 165 00:07:24,159 --> 00:07:26,786 the Pacific Islander native attire 166 00:07:26,786 --> 00:07:28,245 for my white three-year-old? 167 00:07:28,245 --> 00:07:30,665 Um, I wouldn't. I [BLEEP] wouldn't. Um, I wouldn't. I [BLEEP] wouldn't. 168 00:07:30,665 --> 00:07:33,583 But I guess, what we might call the Moana problem here 169 00:07:33,583 --> 00:07:37,129 is what, uh, on one hand, is cultural appropriation. 170 00:07:37,129 --> 00:07:38,338 On the other hand, 171 00:07:38,338 --> 00:07:42,091 there's gravitating towards white characters. 172 00:07:42,091 --> 00:07:44,593 - Right. - So it's almost like 173 00:07:44,593 --> 00:07:47,346 no matter which way you go, 174 00:07:47,346 --> 00:07:49,265 - you end up back... - Right. 175 00:07:49,265 --> 00:07:50,683 ...in racism. 176 00:07:50,683 --> 00:07:52,142 We think every space belongs to us 177 00:07:52,142 --> 00:07:54,311 because we live in a white supremacist society. 178 00:07:54,311 --> 00:07:58,440 Is America an inherently racist country? 179 00:07:59,566 --> 00:08:04,028 I think the word "inherent" is challenging there. I think the word "inherent" is challenging there. 180 00:08:04,028 --> 00:08:05,697 - If we say... - Fundamentally. 181 00:08:05,697 --> 00:08:07,448 Fundamentally, yes. 182 00:08:07,448 --> 00:08:09,408 America is racist to its bones. 183 00:08:10,159 --> 00:08:11,493 - All of the... - So, inherently. 184 00:08:11,493 --> 00:08:12,661 Yeah. 185 00:08:12,661 --> 00:08:14,580 Just to put it as bluntly as possible, 186 00:08:14,580 --> 00:08:16,623 am I racist? 187 00:08:16,623 --> 00:08:20,001 Every white person in America has grown up in a country 188 00:08:20,001 --> 00:08:23,296 where race and racism make up the fabric of our society. 189 00:08:23,296 --> 00:08:25,506 So I don't think anyone moves through this world 190 00:08:25,506 --> 00:08:28,133 with a non-bias, non-racist world view. 191 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:30,219 So the answer's yes, I am racist. So the answer's yes, I am racist. 192 00:08:30,803 --> 00:08:31,929 You said it 193 00:08:32,471 --> 00:08:34,890 What do you recommend to people for resources 194 00:08:34,890 --> 00:08:38,185 if they're just starting on their anti-racist path? 195 00:08:38,185 --> 00:08:39,519 Go to the bookstore 196 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:40,854 if you're not reading these books. 197 00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:42,606 And then applying what you've learned, 198 00:08:42,606 --> 00:08:45,066 taking what you read about and saying, 199 00:08:45,066 --> 00:08:46,650 "Hey, racist uncle, 200 00:08:46,650 --> 00:08:48,569 "I think we should talk about this." 201 00:08:48,569 --> 00:08:49,695 That you're no good. 202 00:08:49,695 --> 00:08:52,823 I've never, uh, confronted my own racist uncle. 203 00:08:52,823 --> 00:08:54,074 I haven't confronted him. 204 00:08:55,534 --> 00:08:56,827 But it's not ever too late. 205 00:08:56,827 --> 00:08:57,911 No. 206 00:08:58,578 --> 00:08:59,871 No. 207 00:08:59,871 --> 00:09:02,039 Sometimes it means having the conversation Sometimes it means having the conversation 208 00:09:02,039 --> 00:09:04,208 that you've been knowing in your heart, 209 00:09:04,208 --> 00:09:06,002 you've been putting off for years. 210 00:09:06,002 --> 00:09:07,086 MATT: Hmm. 211 00:09:08,129 --> 00:09:11,298 If Kate Slater's right, then it's all worse than I thought. 212 00:09:11,298 --> 00:09:14,343 America is racist down to its bones. 213 00:09:14,343 --> 00:09:16,094 And my Uncle Frank, 214 00:09:16,094 --> 00:09:18,263 well, I'll deal with him later. 215 00:09:18,263 --> 00:09:20,140 For now, I've got a lot of reading to do. 216 00:09:20,140 --> 00:09:22,433 {\an8}[LIGHTHEARTED MUSIC PLAYING] 217 00:09:37,281 --> 00:09:39,658 {\an8}So we do have books on anti-racism, 218 00:09:39,658 --> 00:09:41,117 uh, kind of all throughout the store. 219 00:09:41,117 --> 00:09:42,411 There's a lot of, like, newer stuff 220 00:09:42,411 --> 00:09:44,203 that tends to go on the main floor first, but... 221 00:09:44,203 --> 00:09:46,080 {\an8}- Yeah. - ...the bulk of our section, 222 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,290 {\an8}we keep over here. 223 00:09:47,290 --> 00:09:49,083 This is all anti-racism? 224 00:09:49,083 --> 00:09:53,003 Yeah. This section is really just books on anti-racism, 225 00:09:53,003 --> 00:09:54,922 and a lot of the history of racism, 226 00:09:54,922 --> 00:09:56,423 particularly in the United States. 227 00:09:56,423 --> 00:09:58,341 Am I even allowed to touch this one? 228 00:09:58,341 --> 00:10:00,010 Some of these books are provocative. Some of these books are provocative. 229 00:10:00,010 --> 00:10:01,553 WOMAN: Yes. Definitely. [CHUCKLES] 230 00:10:01,553 --> 00:10:05,390 So, what... Am I allowed to even read this one? 231 00:10:05,390 --> 00:10:06,641 WOMAN: I think you're allowed to read it. 232 00:10:06,641 --> 00:10:09,602 I would not perhaps say the title. [LAUGHS NERVOUSLY] 233 00:10:09,602 --> 00:10:11,979 So I couldn't call you up and say, "Do you have..." 234 00:10:12,897 --> 00:10:16,317 You might say it's a book that starts with "N" 235 00:10:16,317 --> 00:10:17,693 - and it's by this author. - Yeah. 236 00:10:17,693 --> 00:10:19,570 If you were looking for that in particular. 237 00:10:19,570 --> 00:10:20,821 That's probably a level up 238 00:10:20,821 --> 00:10:22,030 - from where I am. - [LAUGHS] 239 00:10:22,030 --> 00:10:23,448 How many of these do you think we need to... 240 00:10:23,448 --> 00:10:26,034 need to get through before we can really understand? 241 00:10:26,034 --> 00:10:29,954 Start with one book, let it sit, see how you feel. 242 00:10:29,954 --> 00:10:31,872 I feel like reading one book kind of gets you 243 00:10:31,872 --> 00:10:33,040 into a place where it's like, 244 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,417 "You know what? I do want to do more about this." 245 00:10:35,417 --> 00:10:37,920 These are all staff recommendations. 246 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,964 {\an8}Uh, they're all fiction, written by diverse authors, 247 00:10:40,964 --> 00:10:42,716 {\an8}and they're all pretty fun. 248 00:10:42,716 --> 00:10:45,635 Dumb question. You said diverse authors. 249 00:10:45,635 --> 00:10:47,053 What's a diverse person? 250 00:10:47,053 --> 00:10:49,597 Uh, that would be basically people who aren't white, 251 00:10:49,597 --> 00:10:50,806 [CHUCKLES] essentially. 252 00:10:50,806 --> 00:10:53,016 - So, Black, Latinx... - So we can't... 253 00:10:53,016 --> 00:10:55,102 ...Native American, Asian... 254 00:10:55,102 --> 00:10:57,145 So everybody who's not white is diverse. 255 00:10:57,145 --> 00:10:58,521 Well... 256 00:10:58,521 --> 00:11:00,565 Unless you're... say, gay. 257 00:11:00,565 --> 00:11:02,067 Yeah. I mean, 258 00:11:02,067 --> 00:11:04,069 it's not just reading Black people, but, you know, 259 00:11:04,069 --> 00:11:05,820 every... Like, there are a lot of different groups 260 00:11:05,820 --> 00:11:08,364 that have faced persecution, and have had a hard time, 261 00:11:08,364 --> 00:11:10,783 and, you know, just being a white, 262 00:11:10,783 --> 00:11:13,744 straight, cisgender person, usually a man, 263 00:11:13,744 --> 00:11:15,996 it's like kind of the top of the pile. 264 00:11:15,996 --> 00:11:17,623 - But, uh... - That's me. 265 00:11:17,623 --> 00:11:18,707 [LAUGHS] 266 00:11:18,707 --> 00:11:20,000 So I'm on the top of the pile. 267 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,168 - Uh... You know... - Where should I start? 268 00:11:22,168 --> 00:11:23,253 White Women , uh, 269 00:11:23,253 --> 00:11:25,046 by Regina Jackson and Saira Rao. 270 00:11:25,046 --> 00:11:28,258 {\an8}Race 2 Dinner is a thing that they do, uh... 271 00:11:28,258 --> 00:11:30,092 Basically, this book is saying, like, 272 00:11:30,092 --> 00:11:32,887 "We need to stop being nice about racism," 273 00:11:32,887 --> 00:11:35,681 'cause nothing has been advanced by being nice. 274 00:11:35,681 --> 00:11:37,557 {\an8}White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo. 275 00:11:37,557 --> 00:11:39,309 {\an8}Hearing from another white person 276 00:11:39,309 --> 00:11:41,603 {\an8}about ways to have these conversations, 277 00:11:41,603 --> 00:11:43,563 {\an8}and ways to break through your own white fragility, 278 00:11:43,563 --> 00:11:45,565 {\an8}I think, is a really good place to start. 279 00:11:45,565 --> 00:11:47,316 Well, a lot to learn, 280 00:11:47,316 --> 00:11:49,027 but we have all the materials here, 281 00:11:49,027 --> 00:11:50,861 - I think... - [CHUCKLES] 282 00:11:50,861 --> 00:11:52,113 ...to start the journey. 283 00:11:52,113 --> 00:11:54,407 - [INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING] - Beautiful bookstore. 284 00:11:54,407 --> 00:11:56,534 Thank you. We're fond of it. 285 00:11:58,493 --> 00:11:59,494 Thank you. 286 00:12:01,246 --> 00:12:02,247 Have a good day. 287 00:12:03,206 --> 00:12:05,417 {\an8}[SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING] 288 00:12:13,299 --> 00:12:16,177 {\an8}MAN: Robin DiAngelo's 2018 book, White Fragility, 289 00:12:16,177 --> 00:12:17,261 {\an8}catapulted to the top 290 00:12:17,261 --> 00:12:18,929 {\an8}o f the New York Times best sellers' list. 291 00:12:18,929 --> 00:12:21,181 {\an8}GAYLE KING: Robin DiAngelo is a sociologist, 292 00:12:21,181 --> 00:12:22,599 {\an8}and she's author of this book. 293 00:12:22,599 --> 00:12:24,810 Everyone, please check out her book, White Fragility. 294 00:12:24,810 --> 00:12:26,436 {\an8}Everyone else in the world has. 295 00:12:26,436 --> 00:12:28,438 {\an8}White Fragility, which is, in many cases, 296 00:12:28,438 --> 00:12:30,106 the Bible for white people... 297 00:12:30,106 --> 00:12:31,482 {\an8}This is the book that we'll be reading. 298 00:12:31,482 --> 00:12:34,151 {\an8}- White Fragility. - Crucial and seminal book. 299 00:12:34,151 --> 00:12:35,778 {\an8}WOMAN: New York Times best-selling list 300 00:12:35,778 --> 00:12:36,987 {\an8}for the third year. 301 00:12:39,531 --> 00:12:42,492 {\an8}MATT: "Racism is the norm rather than an aberration. 302 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,454 "Anti-Blackness is foundational 303 00:12:45,454 --> 00:12:47,789 "to our very identities as white people." 304 00:12:47,789 --> 00:12:48,873 DIANGELO: As a white person, 305 00:12:48,873 --> 00:12:51,792 {\an8}I was just raised to expect the world to be mine. 306 00:12:51,792 --> 00:12:54,044 That's how difficult we are. 307 00:12:54,044 --> 00:12:55,128 Wow. 308 00:12:55,128 --> 00:12:58,090 That's how big, uh, a-holes we are. [LAUGHS] 309 00:12:58,090 --> 00:12:59,174 Yeah. 310 00:12:59,717 --> 00:13:01,760 MATT: "White identity is inherently racist. 311 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,011 "White people do not exist 312 00:13:03,011 --> 00:13:05,638 "outside the system of white supremacy." 313 00:13:05,638 --> 00:13:09,100 {\an8}When we say "I'm not racist," what we're conveying 314 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:11,853 {\an8}is that we're clueless about what racism is. 315 00:13:11,853 --> 00:13:13,645 {\an8}And I would just ask white Americans 316 00:13:13,645 --> 00:13:16,023 {\an8}to remove that phrase from their vocabulary. 317 00:13:16,023 --> 00:13:17,483 {\an8}"I'm not racist." 318 00:13:19,151 --> 00:13:20,819 MATT: "Anger, fear, and guilts, 319 00:13:20,819 --> 00:13:23,446 "and behavior such as argumentation silence 320 00:13:23,446 --> 00:13:26,532 "and withdrawal. These responses work to 321 00:13:26,532 --> 00:13:29,744 {\an8}"maintain our dominance within the racial hierarchy. 322 00:13:29,744 --> 00:13:33,498 {\an8}"I conceptualize this process as white fragility." 323 00:13:38,085 --> 00:13:40,254 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 324 00:13:40,254 --> 00:13:42,381 Robin DiAngelo was right. 325 00:13:42,381 --> 00:13:44,048 Coming to terms with my whiteness 326 00:13:44,048 --> 00:13:45,634 was not going to be easy. 327 00:13:46,385 --> 00:13:48,052 Fortunately, I found a support group 328 00:13:48,052 --> 00:13:50,179 that can help me with my white privilege, 329 00:13:50,179 --> 00:13:53,807 {\an8}run by an anti-racist expert who specializes in grief. 330 00:13:53,807 --> 00:13:56,977 Her fee was $30,000 to host this workshop, 331 00:13:56,977 --> 00:13:59,312 so, obviously, she must be the best. 332 00:14:00,105 --> 00:14:02,440 But I'm worried that, as a well-known conservative, 333 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,485 the support group may not welcome me into their fold. 334 00:14:06,653 --> 00:14:07,737 Maybe I'll use a different name 335 00:14:07,737 --> 00:14:09,364 to help me blend in. 336 00:14:09,822 --> 00:14:12,241 Whatever it takes to continue this journey. 337 00:14:12,241 --> 00:14:14,451 WADE: All right. So, typically, I like 338 00:14:14,451 --> 00:14:17,288 to open up the space with a brief meditation, 339 00:14:17,288 --> 00:14:19,248 so if you feel comfortable, 340 00:14:19,248 --> 00:14:21,958 please ground yourself in your seats. 341 00:14:21,958 --> 00:14:23,627 Close your eyes 342 00:14:23,627 --> 00:14:27,213 and just allow yourself to be fully present in the space. 343 00:14:27,213 --> 00:14:29,215 Whatever that means. 344 00:14:51,235 --> 00:14:52,695 Are we meditating? 345 00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:54,405 Okay. Sorry. 346 00:15:08,668 --> 00:15:11,713 When you are ready, open your eyes 347 00:15:11,713 --> 00:15:13,214 and rejoin the space. 348 00:15:16,467 --> 00:15:17,927 All right. So is everybody excited 349 00:15:17,927 --> 00:15:20,137 to talk about anti-racism and grief? 350 00:15:20,137 --> 00:15:22,473 - Absolutely. - [ALL LAUGHING] 351 00:15:22,473 --> 00:15:23,682 WADE: Okay. 352 00:15:23,682 --> 00:15:26,226 So, I usually like to get this started 353 00:15:26,226 --> 00:15:28,394 by just introducing ourselves. 354 00:15:28,394 --> 00:15:30,688 If you could please pronounce your name. 355 00:15:30,688 --> 00:15:32,648 Uh, please share your pronouns, 356 00:15:32,648 --> 00:15:34,066 how you're feeling today, 357 00:15:34,066 --> 00:15:35,610 as well as the weirdest compliment 358 00:15:35,610 --> 00:15:36,736 you have ever received. 359 00:15:36,736 --> 00:15:40,030 My name is Dan. Uh, my pronouns are he/him. 360 00:15:40,030 --> 00:15:42,241 I'm feeling excited today. 361 00:15:42,241 --> 00:15:43,450 And then the weirdest compliment 362 00:15:43,450 --> 00:15:45,327 I think I've ever received... 363 00:15:45,327 --> 00:15:47,287 I was in the online dating sphere, 364 00:15:47,287 --> 00:15:50,164 and I've gotten the "you look much better in person." 365 00:15:50,164 --> 00:15:51,958 - [ALL LAUGHING] - Oh, my God. 366 00:15:53,334 --> 00:15:54,710 Um... 367 00:15:55,336 --> 00:15:56,379 If you wanna stand, you can, 368 00:15:56,379 --> 00:15:57,880 - totally, it's okay. - Okay, I'll just sit down. 369 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,215 Uh, I'm Steven. 370 00:15:59,215 --> 00:16:01,550 Uh, pronouns, I'll... 371 00:16:01,550 --> 00:16:03,093 you know, I'll have to get back to you on that. 372 00:16:03,093 --> 00:16:07,973 Um, I'm feeling excited, uh, nervous. 373 00:16:07,973 --> 00:16:09,057 WADE: Mm-hmm. 374 00:16:09,057 --> 00:16:10,642 Uh, present. 375 00:16:11,476 --> 00:16:13,269 A little hungry. [CHUCKLES] But... 376 00:16:13,269 --> 00:16:14,854 The strangest compliment I've ever gotten 377 00:16:14,854 --> 00:16:16,898 is I've been complimented, uh, 378 00:16:16,898 --> 00:16:19,275 on the number of Black friends that I have... 379 00:16:19,275 --> 00:16:20,609 WADE: Hmm. MATT: ...in the past. 380 00:16:20,609 --> 00:16:22,819 So, it's 17, um... 381 00:16:23,570 --> 00:16:25,030 it's a number, but, you know... 382 00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:26,532 Sometimes it comes up, but, um... 383 00:16:27,574 --> 00:16:29,575 That's what people have said, so... 384 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,161 WADE: Hmm. 385 00:16:31,912 --> 00:16:32,996 Thank you, everybody, 386 00:16:32,996 --> 00:16:36,165 for being willing to participate 387 00:16:36,165 --> 00:16:38,918 and for, first and foremost, being here. 388 00:16:38,918 --> 00:16:41,045 We will not end systemic racism. 389 00:16:41,045 --> 00:16:44,506 It is not possible for us to dismantle a system 390 00:16:44,506 --> 00:16:46,841 that has been around for 400 years, 391 00:16:46,841 --> 00:16:49,260 and has effectively and efficiently 392 00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:51,513 destroyed the lives of millions of people. 393 00:16:51,513 --> 00:16:54,140 You all have been grandfathered into the system. 394 00:16:54,140 --> 00:16:55,766 We are here to focus on you 395 00:16:55,766 --> 00:16:57,435 and your experience and your grief 396 00:16:57,435 --> 00:16:59,853 because that is the source 397 00:16:59,853 --> 00:17:03,106 of downstream anti-Blackness and racism. 398 00:17:03,106 --> 00:17:04,817 And quite frankly, I pray to God 399 00:17:04,817 --> 00:17:06,151 you all feel this uncomfortable. 400 00:17:06,151 --> 00:17:11,406 I will be so happy if you all feel extremely uncomfortable, 401 00:17:11,406 --> 00:17:14,534 if you are truly looking at what white supremacy 402 00:17:14,534 --> 00:17:16,911 has done to not only, um, 403 00:17:16,911 --> 00:17:18,495 African Americans, but to yourselves. 404 00:17:18,495 --> 00:17:21,457 You are here to sit amidst whatever suffering 405 00:17:21,457 --> 00:17:23,459 and pain you are experiencing 406 00:17:23,459 --> 00:17:26,378 for the sake of the liberation of others. 407 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,046 That is love. 408 00:17:28,046 --> 00:17:29,339 I don't know if any of you grew up 409 00:17:29,339 --> 00:17:31,257 with a Christian background. I did. 410 00:17:31,257 --> 00:17:33,009 [CHUCKLES] Uh... 411 00:17:33,009 --> 00:17:35,636 But love is also not always patient and kind. 412 00:17:35,636 --> 00:17:37,930 When we are talking about systemic oppression, 413 00:17:37,930 --> 00:17:40,766 and the role that we are playing to mitigate it, 414 00:17:40,766 --> 00:17:43,143 patience is not needed. 415 00:17:43,143 --> 00:17:44,854 People are dying. 416 00:17:45,729 --> 00:17:48,315 Kindness is not what is called for. 417 00:17:48,315 --> 00:17:49,983 We are here to talk about the fact 418 00:17:49,983 --> 00:17:51,776 that Black Americans are not safe. 419 00:17:51,776 --> 00:17:53,820 If I'm going to be quite frank, 420 00:17:53,820 --> 00:17:55,864 when I do this work, and these types of circles, 421 00:17:55,864 --> 00:17:56,990 I'm not safe. 422 00:17:56,990 --> 00:17:58,741 But I do them out of necessity. 423 00:17:58,741 --> 00:17:59,908 Why are you... 424 00:18:00,493 --> 00:18:02,370 Why are you not safe in the circle? 425 00:18:02,370 --> 00:18:05,372 Being an African American 426 00:18:05,372 --> 00:18:09,709 in primarily white spaces is not safe for me mentally 427 00:18:09,709 --> 00:18:10,793 or emotionally. 428 00:18:10,793 --> 00:18:12,920 We will go into more depth about that, 429 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,589 but I appreciate that question. 430 00:18:14,589 --> 00:18:17,675 These topics may be difficult, and at times, 431 00:18:17,675 --> 00:18:21,262 you may feel overcome by emotions. That's okay. 432 00:18:21,262 --> 00:18:23,430 There is a room to the left. 433 00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:26,057 If you find that your emotions are, um, 434 00:18:26,057 --> 00:18:27,684 interfering with the group process, 435 00:18:27,684 --> 00:18:29,811 I kindly ask you to step aside. 436 00:18:29,811 --> 00:18:31,604 Um, so can we start with you? 437 00:18:31,604 --> 00:18:33,814 I'm here because... 438 00:18:35,025 --> 00:18:37,109 I feel like I've been socialized to be an asshole, 439 00:18:37,109 --> 00:18:38,611 and that doesn't feel good. 440 00:18:38,611 --> 00:18:41,155 And my promise to the Black community 441 00:18:41,155 --> 00:18:43,365 is to lean into 442 00:18:43,365 --> 00:18:46,535 being brave and uncomfortable, 443 00:18:46,535 --> 00:18:49,413 and to love in inconvenient ways. 444 00:18:49,413 --> 00:18:50,497 Thank you. 445 00:18:50,497 --> 00:18:55,001 Well, I'm here on a journey towards 446 00:18:55,001 --> 00:18:58,587 a brighter future, uh, for myself 447 00:18:58,587 --> 00:19:01,215 and for, you know, hopefully, the world. 448 00:19:01,215 --> 00:19:04,051 My promise to myself is love. 449 00:19:04,718 --> 00:19:05,928 To love myself. 450 00:19:07,304 --> 00:19:08,346 Which is so important, 451 00:19:08,346 --> 00:19:09,890 and I've struggled so much with that. 452 00:19:10,598 --> 00:19:11,599 [SNIFFLES] 453 00:19:13,059 --> 00:19:14,143 I've struggled so much with it 454 00:19:14,143 --> 00:19:16,729 in my life, to find myself. Um... 455 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,774 My promise to the Black communities... 456 00:19:19,774 --> 00:19:21,650 [SIGHS] to be so much better. 457 00:19:23,485 --> 00:19:26,029 So much better than I have been to them. 458 00:19:27,698 --> 00:19:29,825 To be better in so many better ways. 459 00:19:29,825 --> 00:19:32,744 To better myself. To better the world. 460 00:19:32,744 --> 00:19:34,370 And I know that I haven't been better. 461 00:19:35,288 --> 00:19:36,289 I haven't been. 462 00:19:37,540 --> 00:19:38,708 But I'm going to be. 463 00:19:40,376 --> 00:19:41,502 That's my promise. 464 00:19:44,463 --> 00:19:45,547 WADE: Thank you. 465 00:19:47,382 --> 00:19:48,383 Oh. 466 00:19:51,094 --> 00:19:54,556 I am here with the intention 467 00:19:54,556 --> 00:19:56,599 to understand 468 00:19:56,599 --> 00:20:00,394 and learn and, um... 469 00:20:02,188 --> 00:20:03,856 - dig a little bit into... - I'm sorry, can I... 470 00:20:03,856 --> 00:20:05,441 I forgot one other thing I wanted to promise 471 00:20:05,441 --> 00:20:06,650 - the Black community. - Um... 472 00:20:06,650 --> 00:20:08,610 It's really important that we don't interrupt 473 00:20:08,610 --> 00:20:09,694 each other during the group. 474 00:20:09,694 --> 00:20:10,904 - Oh, I'm sorry. - But I appreciate... 475 00:20:10,904 --> 00:20:12,822 I have one other promise for the Black... 476 00:20:12,822 --> 00:20:14,449 - We can circle back around. - Thank you. 477 00:20:14,449 --> 00:20:15,658 Are we going to circle back around? 478 00:20:15,658 --> 00:20:17,076 No. No. Uh... 479 00:20:17,076 --> 00:20:19,078 Other things will come up. That's part of the process. 480 00:20:19,078 --> 00:20:20,705 But I want to be very sure 481 00:20:20,705 --> 00:20:22,206 that we respect everybody's time. 482 00:20:22,206 --> 00:20:24,208 Okay. I didn't want someone else to take my promise 483 00:20:24,208 --> 00:20:25,667 to the Black community that I was gonna make. 484 00:20:25,667 --> 00:20:28,128 Well, thank you. Please continue. 485 00:20:28,754 --> 00:20:31,339 The promise that I am making to myself 486 00:20:31,339 --> 00:20:33,424 is to be elastic. 487 00:20:33,967 --> 00:20:36,886 To use my voice and my privilege, 488 00:20:36,886 --> 00:20:38,388 to be heard. 489 00:20:38,388 --> 00:20:39,472 Uh, to... 490 00:20:39,472 --> 00:20:40,640 That's what I was gonna say, but... 491 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,349 - Please allow her to finish. - Sorry. 492 00:20:42,975 --> 00:20:45,352 If we think about the construction of whiteness 493 00:20:45,352 --> 00:20:46,436 as an identity, 494 00:20:46,436 --> 00:20:49,814 it makes sense that the seeds of white supremacy 495 00:20:49,814 --> 00:20:51,608 are buried within your subconscious, 496 00:20:51,608 --> 00:20:54,152 whether or not you realize it, and without your consent. 497 00:20:54,152 --> 00:20:57,864 It is often uncommon for white Americans 498 00:20:57,864 --> 00:21:00,158 to be aware of their privilege, 499 00:21:00,158 --> 00:21:02,951 let alone how it's functioning on a day-to-day basis. 500 00:21:02,951 --> 00:21:04,412 You said, a moment ago... 501 00:21:04,412 --> 00:21:06,580 - Um, there'll be an oppor... - Can I say something? 502 00:21:06,580 --> 00:21:08,248 Uh, yes. Ask a question. 503 00:21:08,248 --> 00:21:09,332 You said, a moment ago, 504 00:21:09,332 --> 00:21:10,793 that the seeds of white supremacy 505 00:21:11,501 --> 00:21:13,628 - are in all of us. - Yes. 506 00:21:14,504 --> 00:21:16,214 How do we get them out? 507 00:21:16,214 --> 00:21:18,090 That's what the presentation... 508 00:21:18,090 --> 00:21:20,176 We're going through the presentation to discuss that. 509 00:21:20,176 --> 00:21:21,427 If there is another interruption, 510 00:21:21,427 --> 00:21:23,137 I'm going to have to respectfully ask you 511 00:21:23,137 --> 00:21:25,931 to step out and go to the second room to the left. 512 00:21:25,931 --> 00:21:28,559 But next time, I am gonna have to ask you to leave, okay? 513 00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:29,935 Leave for good? 514 00:21:29,935 --> 00:21:33,229 Just until you're able to rejoin the group 515 00:21:33,229 --> 00:21:35,648 and participate without interruption. 516 00:21:36,441 --> 00:21:37,608 - Yeah? - That's fair. 517 00:21:37,608 --> 00:21:38,693 Okay. Thank you. 518 00:21:39,277 --> 00:21:40,528 [EXHALES LOUDLY] 519 00:21:40,528 --> 00:21:44,031 White supremacy has essentially created a system 520 00:21:44,031 --> 00:21:45,658 driven by grief, 521 00:21:45,658 --> 00:21:48,577 and that is why we are here to discuss 522 00:21:48,577 --> 00:21:50,662 white grief in particular. 523 00:21:50,662 --> 00:21:53,332 I would like you to close your eyes 524 00:21:54,207 --> 00:21:58,002 and spend the next 30 seconds 525 00:21:58,002 --> 00:21:59,587 thinking about, 526 00:21:59,587 --> 00:22:02,840 what does that loss feel like in your body? 527 00:22:03,966 --> 00:22:05,676 It feels like a thousand knives 528 00:22:06,510 --> 00:22:07,803 plunging into my soul. 529 00:22:11,181 --> 00:22:12,682 And a sack being... 530 00:22:13,934 --> 00:22:16,686 hit by bats and bricks. 531 00:22:17,187 --> 00:22:20,732 And the whole sack is thrown into the ocean. 532 00:22:21,357 --> 00:22:22,483 Thank you. 533 00:22:22,483 --> 00:22:23,735 That's what it feels like. 534 00:22:24,568 --> 00:22:25,736 And it's very... it's... 535 00:22:25,736 --> 00:22:27,071 - Oh, um... - What? 536 00:22:27,071 --> 00:22:28,364 We're moving to her now. 537 00:22:28,364 --> 00:22:30,366 I... I didn't finish. 538 00:22:31,032 --> 00:22:32,033 Please finish. 539 00:22:32,033 --> 00:22:33,118 MATT: Um... 540 00:22:34,202 --> 00:22:35,203 The sack's thrown into the ocean, 541 00:22:35,203 --> 00:22:36,662 then the sack's taken out, 542 00:22:37,956 --> 00:22:39,415 and it's set on fire. 543 00:22:40,125 --> 00:22:41,251 [MATT SMACKS LIPS] 544 00:22:42,460 --> 00:22:44,379 - Thank you. - That's what it feels like. 545 00:22:44,379 --> 00:22:48,132 I have spent a lot of time in primarily white spaces. 546 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:51,176 For better or worse. [LAUGHS] So... 547 00:22:51,176 --> 00:22:54,388 And that has come with a cost. 548 00:22:54,388 --> 00:22:56,139 How long will it take until 549 00:22:56,139 --> 00:22:59,058 the next microaggression comes up? 550 00:22:59,058 --> 00:23:02,228 These are things that I carry every time 551 00:23:02,228 --> 00:23:05,731 I am in a room with primarily white people. 552 00:23:05,731 --> 00:23:07,065 You're safe here. 553 00:23:07,065 --> 00:23:09,109 I think I speak for all of us when I say, 554 00:23:09,109 --> 00:23:10,819 in this room... 555 00:23:10,819 --> 00:23:11,904 WADE: I... 556 00:23:11,904 --> 00:23:13,571 - One more interruption... - White folks. 557 00:23:13,571 --> 00:23:15,657 ...I'm gonna have to ask you to step out again. 558 00:23:15,657 --> 00:23:16,866 Okay. I just wanted to reassure you. 559 00:23:16,866 --> 00:23:17,950 WADE: Thank you. I appreciate that. 560 00:23:17,950 --> 00:23:19,702 - I just want to. - Thanks. 561 00:23:19,702 --> 00:23:23,205 So, what do you feel in your body 562 00:23:23,205 --> 00:23:26,167 when you hear the term "white people"? 563 00:23:26,167 --> 00:23:28,502 I feel, like, a cringe about it. 564 00:23:28,502 --> 00:23:29,586 "Cringe" is a good word. 565 00:23:29,586 --> 00:23:31,213 - WADE: Cringe? Yeah? - I couldn't pick a word, 566 00:23:31,213 --> 00:23:33,298 - but that's a very good one. - WADE: Okay. 567 00:23:33,298 --> 00:23:35,676 As soon as you asked the question, I felt, 568 00:23:35,676 --> 00:23:37,218 inside, like a gut... 569 00:23:37,218 --> 00:23:40,180 a little bit of a poke. "Ugh." 570 00:23:40,180 --> 00:23:41,639 And I think it's for all of the reasons, 571 00:23:41,639 --> 00:23:43,641 - but also a little anger... - WADE: Mm-hmm. 572 00:23:43,641 --> 00:23:45,893 ...at whiteness as, um, that lie. 573 00:23:45,893 --> 00:23:46,977 Just, "ugh!" 574 00:23:46,977 --> 00:23:49,063 - WADE: Mm-hmm. Thank you. - [MATT SNICKERS] 575 00:23:50,647 --> 00:23:52,232 - [MUMBLES] - WADE: The thing about... 576 00:23:52,232 --> 00:23:53,442 I'm gonna step out for a moment. 577 00:23:53,442 --> 00:23:54,984 Thank you. Appreciate that. 578 00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:58,863 The thing about... 579 00:23:59,488 --> 00:24:00,949 MATT: Which one is the cry room? 580 00:24:00,949 --> 00:24:02,741 The second door to the left. 581 00:24:02,741 --> 00:24:03,826 Thank you. 582 00:24:05,286 --> 00:24:07,246 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] 583 00:24:07,246 --> 00:24:08,497 MATT: My time in the cry room 584 00:24:08,497 --> 00:24:11,792 allowed me some much-needed reflection and self-care, 585 00:24:11,792 --> 00:24:13,877 but with me out of the room, 586 00:24:13,877 --> 00:24:16,004 the group put two and two together and realized 587 00:24:16,004 --> 00:24:17,797 who I actually was. 588 00:24:17,797 --> 00:24:18,881 Not a guy named Steven. 589 00:24:21,258 --> 00:24:22,927 When I finally returned, 590 00:24:22,927 --> 00:24:25,346 things were drastically different. 591 00:24:26,138 --> 00:24:29,183 When I do this work, the, uh, white participants 592 00:24:29,183 --> 00:24:31,435 in the group feel that there's something in themselves 593 00:24:31,435 --> 00:24:32,894 - that they have to overcome. - [DOOR OPENS] 594 00:24:33,437 --> 00:24:34,605 When all that's 595 00:24:34,605 --> 00:24:36,231 - being requested of you... - [CLEARS THROAT] 596 00:24:36,231 --> 00:24:38,566 ...is that you be. 597 00:24:38,566 --> 00:24:40,026 - Hello. - MATT: Hi. 598 00:24:40,026 --> 00:24:41,277 WADE: How are you? 599 00:24:42,403 --> 00:24:44,071 - Sorry about that. - Oh, no problem. 600 00:24:45,030 --> 00:24:46,657 - You good? - Yeah. 601 00:24:46,657 --> 00:24:47,908 Remind me of your name again? 602 00:24:47,908 --> 00:24:50,285 Uh... Uh, Steven. 603 00:24:50,285 --> 00:24:51,912 Steven? Yeah? Okay. 604 00:24:51,912 --> 00:24:53,080 Um... 605 00:24:54,248 --> 00:24:56,124 - Did you want to come up? - Come up? 606 00:24:56,124 --> 00:24:59,293 Yeah. Do you wanna come up and share anything? 607 00:24:59,753 --> 00:25:01,004 Sure. What do you want me to share? 608 00:25:01,004 --> 00:25:02,380 Whatever's on your mind. 609 00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:04,048 I just want to know that, like, my physical safety 610 00:25:04,048 --> 00:25:06,967 and yours and everybody else's here is okay. 611 00:25:06,967 --> 00:25:09,094 Why would your physical safety not be okay? 612 00:25:09,094 --> 00:25:10,220 Did I miss something? 613 00:25:14,432 --> 00:25:15,558 I don't feel comfortable. 614 00:25:16,894 --> 00:25:18,395 What... Can you guys 615 00:25:18,395 --> 00:25:19,812 catch me up to speed on what's going on here? 616 00:25:19,812 --> 00:25:20,980 You don't need to be caught up. 617 00:25:20,980 --> 00:25:22,815 We're gonna be silent. 618 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,151 Is it because I said I had 17 Black friends? 619 00:25:25,151 --> 00:25:27,111 It might have been 15. I... 620 00:25:27,111 --> 00:25:28,529 It depends on how you count them. 621 00:25:30,697 --> 00:25:32,658 I would really appreciate it if you left, 622 00:25:32,658 --> 00:25:34,951 so that the people who actually want to be here 623 00:25:34,951 --> 00:25:36,495 and deserve to be here can get what they need. 624 00:25:36,495 --> 00:25:38,454 - I do want to be here. - Can you please leave? 625 00:25:38,454 --> 00:25:39,998 I would like it if you left. 626 00:25:39,998 --> 00:25:41,666 I'm trying to learn. I'm on this journey. 627 00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:43,543 Come with me. 628 00:25:43,543 --> 00:25:44,919 - Well... - WADE: Thank you. 629 00:25:44,919 --> 00:25:47,630 I didn't... I didn't consent to be touched. 630 00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:49,256 I'm not offering to touch you. 631 00:25:49,256 --> 00:25:50,507 I'm offering to walk you out. 632 00:25:50,507 --> 00:25:52,634 Will you walk with me, and I'll answer your questions? 633 00:25:52,634 --> 00:25:54,719 Okay. I'll admit it. 634 00:25:54,719 --> 00:25:56,513 I'll admit it. My name's not Steven. 635 00:25:56,513 --> 00:25:57,806 WADE: Hmm. 636 00:25:57,806 --> 00:25:59,808 Maybe you already knew that. 637 00:25:59,808 --> 00:26:00,892 My name is Matt Walsh. 638 00:26:00,892 --> 00:26:02,435 - WADE: Mm-hmm - Mm-hmm. We know. 639 00:26:05,604 --> 00:26:06,647 I just was here on this... 640 00:26:06,647 --> 00:26:08,899 on this journey that I'm just starting, but... 641 00:26:09,775 --> 00:26:11,319 I see that I'm not wanted. 642 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:12,986 If you were on your journey, 643 00:26:12,986 --> 00:26:14,237 then you would've told us who you were 644 00:26:14,237 --> 00:26:15,613 and your real name, but you didn't. 645 00:26:15,613 --> 00:26:16,698 - Please leave. - Are you saying 646 00:26:16,698 --> 00:26:18,033 I need a better disguise? Is that what you... 647 00:26:18,033 --> 00:26:19,367 I don't know. Maybe. 648 00:26:19,367 --> 00:26:20,868 But you can figure that out as you walk out the door. 649 00:26:20,868 --> 00:26:21,953 WOMAN 1: How did you get in here? 650 00:26:21,953 --> 00:26:23,204 WOMAN 2: We all had an invitation. 651 00:26:23,204 --> 00:26:25,331 - Maybe. - Yeah. Maybe. 652 00:26:25,331 --> 00:26:26,791 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] 653 00:26:26,791 --> 00:26:27,875 MATT: Thank you so much. 654 00:26:27,875 --> 00:26:31,170 I really had a transformative experience myself. 655 00:26:31,170 --> 00:26:33,297 And my pronouns are he/him. 656 00:26:40,095 --> 00:26:42,180 [INDISTINCT POLICE RADIO CHATTER] 657 00:26:43,806 --> 00:26:45,891 I did everything I could to fit in. 658 00:26:45,891 --> 00:26:46,976 I opened up. 659 00:26:47,477 --> 00:26:49,645 I was raw and emotional. 660 00:26:49,645 --> 00:26:51,689 I told them about my Black friends. 661 00:26:52,439 --> 00:26:54,858 It was no use. They rejected me. 662 00:26:54,858 --> 00:26:56,276 And they called the police. 663 00:26:56,985 --> 00:26:59,738 My mere presence in the room caused them pain. 664 00:26:59,738 --> 00:27:01,531 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS] 665 00:27:01,531 --> 00:27:03,992 I'll never be accepted if I look like this. 666 00:27:05,534 --> 00:27:07,078 If they know that I'm Matt Walsh, 667 00:27:07,078 --> 00:27:09,080 I'll always be an outsider. 668 00:27:09,997 --> 00:27:11,999 I need to go deeper undercover. 669 00:27:11,999 --> 00:27:13,542 A whole new identity. 670 00:27:14,167 --> 00:27:16,795 If I want to be an ally, I need to look like one. 671 00:27:17,629 --> 00:27:19,547 Like someone who is progressive, 672 00:27:19,547 --> 00:27:21,591 tolerant, enlightened. 673 00:27:21,591 --> 00:27:22,925 Let me think. 674 00:27:23,635 --> 00:27:25,928 Have I ever met anyone like that? 675 00:27:26,763 --> 00:27:28,055 Ah, yes. 676 00:27:28,055 --> 00:27:29,181 Yes, I have. 677 00:27:30,975 --> 00:27:32,101 What is a woman? 678 00:27:37,105 --> 00:27:38,524 Why do you ask that question? 679 00:27:39,024 --> 00:27:41,526 [DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING] 680 00:27:55,705 --> 00:27:56,956 [MUSIC FADING OUT] 681 00:28:02,045 --> 00:28:04,588 {\an8}It's time to get serious about my anti-racist training. 682 00:28:05,256 --> 00:28:06,299 {\an8}And it's not gonna be cheap. 683 00:28:06,966 --> 00:28:08,509 - Nice to meet you. - I'm Matt. How are you? 684 00:28:08,509 --> 00:28:09,885 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 685 00:28:09,885 --> 00:28:11,554 I guess I'll take my seat here. 686 00:28:11,554 --> 00:28:14,640 [HIP-HOP MUSIC PLAYING, DO THE WORK! BY BRYSON GRAY] 687 00:28:15,098 --> 00:28:17,017 [RAPPING] ♪ I'ma show ya'll how to stop being racist ♪ 688 00:28:17,017 --> 00:28:18,310 ♪ You gotta do the work though ♪ 689 00:28:19,436 --> 00:28:21,104 BYRD: What is race? 690 00:28:21,104 --> 00:28:23,731 ♪ Okay, don't be a bigot Post a black square ♪ 691 00:28:23,731 --> 00:28:25,983 {\an8}♪ Drink Bud Light Put blue dye in your hair ♪ 692 00:28:25,983 --> 00:28:27,443 {\an8}♪ Tell your sons to put on a dress ♪ 693 00:28:27,443 --> 00:28:29,696 {\an8}♪ Who cares what they wear? Ukraine flag in bio ♪ 694 00:28:29,696 --> 00:28:31,072 ♪ Okay, we're almost there ♪ 695 00:28:31,989 --> 00:28:35,867 So it emerged in the late 1600s essentially. 696 00:28:37,118 --> 00:28:39,287 MATT: Did race exist as a reality before? 697 00:28:39,287 --> 00:28:41,289 We made race exist. 698 00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:44,500 ♪ Don't be early for work, that's white supremacy ♪ 699 00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:46,794 ♪ And if you drink, make sure it's Hennessy ♪ 700 00:28:46,794 --> 00:28:49,297 {\an8}♪ Math is racist too, so check the history ♪ 701 00:28:49,297 --> 00:28:51,424 {\an8}♪ And if you don't see it, then check your memory ♪ 702 00:28:52,507 --> 00:28:54,719 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 703 00:28:54,719 --> 00:28:57,471 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 704 00:28:57,471 --> 00:28:59,889 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 705 00:28:59,889 --> 00:29:01,308 ♪ Let go of your white privilege ♪ 706 00:29:01,308 --> 00:29:02,517 ♪ Do the work, work, work ♪ 707 00:29:02,517 --> 00:29:04,811 Now that we've talked a little bit about what race is, 708 00:29:04,811 --> 00:29:07,271 then what is racism? 709 00:29:07,271 --> 00:29:09,898 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 710 00:29:09,898 --> 00:29:12,360 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 711 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,111 Robin DiAngelo, so she's the author 712 00:29:14,111 --> 00:29:15,404 of the book, White Fragility. 713 00:29:16,446 --> 00:29:18,448 {\an8}She talks about the system of racism 714 00:29:18,448 --> 00:29:21,743 that we have in the US is based on white supremacy. 715 00:29:21,743 --> 00:29:23,703 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 716 00:29:23,703 --> 00:29:26,373 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 717 00:29:27,540 --> 00:29:29,792 This is why a conversation about reparations 718 00:29:29,792 --> 00:29:31,543 and about repair is important. 719 00:29:31,543 --> 00:29:34,005 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 720 00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:37,299 Ultimately, should we be a colorblind society is what 721 00:29:37,299 --> 00:29:39,718 Martin Luther King said, not to judge people 722 00:29:39,718 --> 00:29:41,094 by the color of their skin. 723 00:29:41,094 --> 00:29:43,013 Um, so Martin Luther King said a lot of stuff, 724 00:29:43,013 --> 00:29:44,472 but he knew about institutional, 725 00:29:44,472 --> 00:29:46,099 interpersonal and internalized racism. 726 00:29:46,099 --> 00:29:49,018 I've been told, because I'm a white male, 727 00:29:49,018 --> 00:29:51,145 I'm kind of at the top of the pile. 728 00:29:51,145 --> 00:29:53,147 How do I get down from the top 729 00:29:53,147 --> 00:29:55,315 if I say I don't want that advantage? 730 00:29:55,315 --> 00:29:56,441 Um... 731 00:29:56,441 --> 00:29:58,318 I don't think you necessarily can. 732 00:29:58,318 --> 00:30:00,529 [DO THE WORK! CONTINUES PLAYING] 733 00:30:03,072 --> 00:30:06,034 {\an8}The reason we cannot be colorblind now 734 00:30:06,034 --> 00:30:08,912 is because we're still working on the problem. 735 00:30:09,370 --> 00:30:11,830 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 736 00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:14,333 ♪ Let go of your white privilege, do the work ♪ 737 00:30:14,333 --> 00:30:16,585 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 738 00:30:16,585 --> 00:30:19,421 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 739 00:30:19,421 --> 00:30:21,589 {\an8}♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 740 00:30:21,589 --> 00:30:23,883 {\an8}♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 741 00:30:31,182 --> 00:30:33,350 [LIGHT ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 742 00:30:34,685 --> 00:30:36,603 I'm DEI certified. How are you? 743 00:30:37,479 --> 00:30:39,147 DEI certified. I'm here to help. 744 00:30:39,981 --> 00:30:42,317 DEI certified. If you need some help, let me know, sir. 745 00:30:46,988 --> 00:30:48,406 I'm DEI certified. 746 00:30:48,406 --> 00:30:49,490 - What? - What? 747 00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:51,075 Let me know if you need some help. I'm DEI certified. 748 00:30:51,075 --> 00:30:52,159 Oh, good. 749 00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:53,661 If you need any help, just let me know. 750 00:30:54,286 --> 00:30:56,496 My name's Matt. I am, uh, certified 751 00:30:56,496 --> 00:30:58,332 in diversity, equity, and inclusion. 752 00:30:58,332 --> 00:31:00,459 Just got my certification. 753 00:31:00,459 --> 00:31:02,544 Just letting you know I am DEI certified. 754 00:31:02,544 --> 00:31:05,213 - DEI certified. - What is DEI? 755 00:31:05,213 --> 00:31:07,340 You're in good hands here. I am qualified to have 756 00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:09,217 these kinds of important dialogues. 757 00:31:09,217 --> 00:31:10,301 So I guess I'll start with, 758 00:31:10,301 --> 00:31:12,720 where are you guys in your anti-racist journeys? 759 00:31:14,180 --> 00:31:16,515 Just talk to me about, uh, decentering your whiteness 760 00:31:16,515 --> 00:31:18,141 and where you are on that journey. 761 00:31:18,141 --> 00:31:20,352 -"Decentering my whiteness." - Yeah. 762 00:31:20,352 --> 00:31:23,563 Why do I have to go away from my whiteness 763 00:31:23,563 --> 00:31:24,897 and decentralize it? 764 00:31:24,897 --> 00:31:27,817 I recently actually took a masters level course, 765 00:31:27,817 --> 00:31:30,111 um, about inclusion and diversity. 766 00:31:30,111 --> 00:31:32,196 Have you heard of DiversityAndInclusion.com? 767 00:31:32,196 --> 00:31:33,740 I have not. 768 00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:35,157 Couple of different prestigious institutions. 769 00:31:35,157 --> 00:31:37,076 We all go to different schools, but go ahead. 770 00:31:37,076 --> 00:31:39,077 There were some things that, 771 00:31:39,077 --> 00:31:41,747 you know, kind of brought to my thought process 772 00:31:41,747 --> 00:31:43,414 during that course that I had never... 773 00:31:43,414 --> 00:31:44,666 - Like what? - ...thought about before. 774 00:31:44,666 --> 00:31:47,710 Um, just about my own thinking. 775 00:31:47,710 --> 00:31:50,130 When you start thinking about how you feel, 776 00:31:50,130 --> 00:31:51,381 but you maybe don't want to feel. 777 00:31:51,381 --> 00:31:52,840 [CHUCKLES] Does that make sense? 778 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,342 It does make sense. What do you mean? 779 00:31:55,342 --> 00:31:56,426 Um... 780 00:31:56,426 --> 00:31:58,220 All I know is that, like, 781 00:31:58,220 --> 00:32:01,098 I am white, and I am not racist. 782 00:32:01,098 --> 00:32:02,849 That's how we, uh, deal with racism? 783 00:32:02,849 --> 00:32:05,184 We just... We just say, "Oh, it's not happening." 784 00:32:05,184 --> 00:32:06,853 Yeah, the more you talk about it, 785 00:32:06,853 --> 00:32:10,982 the more you are blatantly acknowledging race. 786 00:32:10,982 --> 00:32:12,441 And if you wanna forget it... 787 00:32:12,441 --> 00:32:14,235 - We have to acknowledge it. - You need to shut up about it. 788 00:32:14,235 --> 00:32:15,361 I don't want to forget about it. 789 00:32:15,361 --> 00:32:17,655 It's cool, like, you can flash your card all you want, 790 00:32:17,655 --> 00:32:19,740 but you gotta be a real human at some point in your life. 791 00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:21,199 - Did you see the card? - I don't give a damn 792 00:32:21,199 --> 00:32:22,868 - about your card, bro. - Let's see it. 793 00:32:22,868 --> 00:32:24,869 Look, we're not gonna solve racism in this conversation, 794 00:32:24,869 --> 00:32:26,413 but we can all agree 795 00:32:26,413 --> 00:32:28,164 that you guys have some things to learn. 796 00:32:28,164 --> 00:32:30,375 I feel like you're the most racist person 797 00:32:30,375 --> 00:32:32,376 - I've ever talked to. - [CHUCKLES] 798 00:32:32,376 --> 00:32:35,087 One of us got the license, the other one didn't, so... 799 00:32:35,087 --> 00:32:38,257 You just sound like a really racist person. 800 00:32:38,257 --> 00:32:39,716 That I am. I've realized that. 801 00:32:39,716 --> 00:32:41,593 - I've been told that. - Why do you admit that? 802 00:32:41,593 --> 00:32:43,720 Because denying it doesn't make it go away. 803 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,263 We can't all be certified experts. 804 00:32:45,263 --> 00:32:46,765 - [CHUCKLES] - I mean, I am, 805 00:32:46,765 --> 00:32:48,849 - but we can't all be. - [BOTH LAUGH] 806 00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:50,351 All right. 807 00:32:50,351 --> 00:32:52,019 We're still on a journey, all of us together. 808 00:32:52,019 --> 00:32:53,771 - Yeah. - That's my motto. 809 00:32:54,439 --> 00:32:56,566 I think you got some journeying to do. 810 00:32:57,608 --> 00:32:58,859 MATT: I know I make this look easy, 811 00:32:58,859 --> 00:33:01,778 but DEI work is harder than you think. 812 00:33:01,778 --> 00:33:03,530 I still have a lot to learn. 813 00:33:05,073 --> 00:33:06,700 {\an8}A viral video from September 814 00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:09,869 {\an8}at ASU's multi-cultural center ignited a firestorm. 815 00:33:09,869 --> 00:33:12,080 - What'd I do wrong? - WOMAN 1: You have a bag... 816 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,747 WOMAN 2: You're... You're offensive. 817 00:33:13,747 --> 00:33:15,166 You're making this space uncomfortable. 818 00:33:15,166 --> 00:33:16,250 ...uncomfortable. 819 00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:17,460 WOMAN 2: But you're white. 820 00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:20,212 This white man thinks he can take up our space, 821 00:33:20,212 --> 00:33:22,380 and this is why we need a multi-cultural space. 822 00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:25,467 You are racist! Your sticker's racist because 823 00:33:25,467 --> 00:33:27,052 you can choose to be a cop, 824 00:33:27,052 --> 00:33:29,387 you can choose to kill people with a badge, 825 00:33:29,387 --> 00:33:30,847 and you're protecting that shit, 826 00:33:30,847 --> 00:33:33,015 which means that you're racist! 827 00:33:33,015 --> 00:33:35,226 MATT: Meet the charming young lady from that video. 828 00:33:35,226 --> 00:33:36,393 {\an8}Sarra Tekola. 829 00:33:36,393 --> 00:33:38,770 {\an8}Founding member of Black Lives Matter, Phoenix. 830 00:33:38,770 --> 00:33:42,190 {\an8}She has a Ph.D. in Sustainability, which means 831 00:33:42,190 --> 00:33:44,109 something really important, I'm sure. 832 00:33:44,109 --> 00:33:47,278 She's agreed to help me learn how to decolonize myself. 833 00:33:47,278 --> 00:33:49,572 For a $1,500 fee, of course. 834 00:33:49,572 --> 00:33:50,991 So let's just get this kicked off. 835 00:33:50,991 --> 00:33:53,033 I'm a white guy myself. 836 00:33:53,033 --> 00:33:54,744 What's up with white people? 837 00:33:54,744 --> 00:33:56,412 Um, where do we start? 838 00:33:56,412 --> 00:33:57,955 Let me reframe the question a little bit. 839 00:33:57,955 --> 00:34:00,958 What's wrong with white people? 840 00:34:00,958 --> 00:34:03,585 A lot of it has to do with cognitive dissidence 841 00:34:03,585 --> 00:34:06,671 which allows, um, white people 842 00:34:06,671 --> 00:34:08,382 to feel okay about what happened. 843 00:34:08,382 --> 00:34:11,968 There's actually a lot of studies on Nazi doctors, 844 00:34:11,968 --> 00:34:16,430 and how they were able to, um, live with themselves. 845 00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:19,642 Um, and it's not that much different than white Americans 846 00:34:19,642 --> 00:34:22,102 or white people around the world, right? 847 00:34:22,102 --> 00:34:24,021 It's this splitting of the self. 848 00:34:24,021 --> 00:34:25,272 And so, um, 849 00:34:25,272 --> 00:34:28,025 you have this part of you that knows 850 00:34:28,025 --> 00:34:30,693 that they did wrong, the shadow self, 851 00:34:30,693 --> 00:34:32,362 and that you have to split that. 852 00:34:32,362 --> 00:34:34,196 And you have the other self that's like, 853 00:34:34,196 --> 00:34:36,032 "Oh, I didn't do anything wrong. 854 00:34:36,032 --> 00:34:37,449 "Racism? Why are you blaming me 855 00:34:37,449 --> 00:34:40,286 "for what my ancestors did? It's not my fault." 856 00:34:40,286 --> 00:34:42,913 Is racism inherent to whiteness? 857 00:34:42,913 --> 00:34:44,247 I would say so. 858 00:34:44,247 --> 00:34:46,291 I would say that we need to abolish whiteness. 859 00:34:46,291 --> 00:34:49,335 It's always been rooted in othering the other people 860 00:34:49,335 --> 00:34:50,921 who don't fit into whiteness, 861 00:34:50,921 --> 00:34:52,755 but when we look at white culture, 862 00:34:52,755 --> 00:34:54,674 the only thing about white culture 863 00:34:54,674 --> 00:34:57,427 is buying things and stealing things. 864 00:34:57,427 --> 00:34:58,678 How do I... 865 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,681 confront my shadow, my shadow self? 866 00:35:02,681 --> 00:35:05,142 Acknowledging the parts of you that are racist, 867 00:35:05,142 --> 00:35:07,519 and then being able to unpack and unlearn those. 868 00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:08,853 Could I say, if someone called me racist, 869 00:35:08,853 --> 00:35:10,146 could I say, "Well, I'm not racist." 870 00:35:10,146 --> 00:35:12,816 "My shadow self is, but I'm not"? 871 00:35:12,816 --> 00:35:14,275 It's the splitting of the self. 872 00:35:14,275 --> 00:35:16,485 Like I said in the beginning about Nazi doctors. 873 00:35:16,485 --> 00:35:19,071 The fact that you have two selves is a problem. 874 00:35:19,071 --> 00:35:21,239 The more that you can merge it together, 875 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,283 then you could be able to acknowledge these dark sides. 876 00:35:23,283 --> 00:35:24,618 But I don't want to merge it, 877 00:35:24,618 --> 00:35:25,994 because the shadow self is racist, 878 00:35:25,994 --> 00:35:28,788 so I don't want to be merged, right? I want to... 879 00:35:28,788 --> 00:35:30,332 - separate. - No. You have to. 880 00:35:30,332 --> 00:35:32,917 Yeah, because, uh, the thing is, 881 00:35:32,917 --> 00:35:34,919 when you don't merge them together, 882 00:35:34,919 --> 00:35:37,296 your shadow self is out here being racist, 883 00:35:37,296 --> 00:35:38,755 and you're not even aware of it, 884 00:35:38,755 --> 00:35:40,216 because that self, right... 885 00:35:40,216 --> 00:35:42,301 So I gotta pull him in. I gotta merge him with mine. 886 00:35:42,301 --> 00:35:44,636 - Yeah. - But then make it all... 887 00:35:44,636 --> 00:35:45,721 - Yeah. - ...not racist. 888 00:35:45,721 --> 00:35:47,055 Yes. 889 00:35:47,055 --> 00:35:50,308 I'm wondering, where do I go from here as an individual 890 00:35:51,935 --> 00:35:53,853 on this anti-racist journey? 891 00:35:53,853 --> 00:35:55,480 You just know whose land you're on. 892 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,440 Our existence as Americans 893 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,484 is predicated on other people's suffering. 894 00:35:59,484 --> 00:36:00,985 Learn about who is suffering 895 00:36:00,985 --> 00:36:04,029 because of our existence on... on this stolen land. 896 00:36:04,029 --> 00:36:06,448 It is important to feel bad, 897 00:36:06,448 --> 00:36:09,075 um, about what your ancestors did. 898 00:36:09,075 --> 00:36:11,077 - Embrace the pain. - Yes. 899 00:36:11,077 --> 00:36:13,621 [DO THE WORK! BY BRYSON GRAY PLAYS] 900 00:36:14,998 --> 00:36:17,333 MATT: To be a good ally, I need to be an activist. 901 00:36:17,333 --> 00:36:20,753 Our nation is littered with relics from our racist past. 902 00:36:20,753 --> 00:36:23,130 I'm on a mission to right historical wrongs. 903 00:36:23,756 --> 00:36:25,340 I needed some help, so I asked Ben, 904 00:36:25,340 --> 00:36:27,467 one of my 17 Black friends, 905 00:36:27,467 --> 00:36:30,553 {\an8}to join me on my quest to change the world. 906 00:36:30,553 --> 00:36:31,638 We have a petition. 907 00:36:31,638 --> 00:36:34,098 Uh, we're hoping that maybe you'd be willing to sign it. 908 00:36:34,098 --> 00:36:35,349 We have a petition. We want to rename 909 00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:36,433 the George Washington Monument. 910 00:36:36,433 --> 00:36:37,518 To? 911 00:36:37,518 --> 00:36:39,561 {\an8}MATT: To the George Floyd Monument. 912 00:36:40,521 --> 00:36:41,522 Because, of course, 913 00:36:41,522 --> 00:36:42,773 George Washington was a slave owner. 914 00:36:42,773 --> 00:36:44,191 - Yep. - And so in some ways, 915 00:36:44,191 --> 00:36:46,402 this is symbolic. Symmetry, it's George for George, 916 00:36:46,402 --> 00:36:48,069 you might say. Would you mind signing? 917 00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:50,196 - I don't see why not. I will. - Okay. 918 00:36:50,196 --> 00:36:51,322 - Yeah. Sure. - Yeah. 919 00:36:51,322 --> 00:36:52,782 Oh, man. I love that. 920 00:36:52,782 --> 00:36:54,617 We're talking about painting it black. 921 00:36:54,617 --> 00:36:56,244 We're gonna raise it 30%, 922 00:36:56,244 --> 00:36:58,203 um, increasing it in height. 923 00:36:58,203 --> 00:36:59,329 Excuse me, sir. 924 00:37:00,289 --> 00:37:02,374 Sir, we have a petition. Sir? 925 00:37:03,042 --> 00:37:05,419 For historical inequities to redress... 926 00:37:05,419 --> 00:37:06,920 Is there a Black person around here? 927 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,755 I would hug them and apologize to them 928 00:37:08,755 --> 00:37:09,923 all day long for what happened. 929 00:37:09,923 --> 00:37:11,215 {\an8}There's a Black person right here. 930 00:37:11,215 --> 00:37:12,341 {\an8}Does he not exist? 931 00:37:12,341 --> 00:37:14,302 I'm sorry. I just didn't look that direction. 932 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,554 {\an8}Sounds like you're in the habit of overlooking 933 00:37:16,554 --> 00:37:17,680 marginalized communities. 934 00:37:18,056 --> 00:37:19,057 {\an8}Brother. 935 00:37:20,141 --> 00:37:21,892 {\an8}You are an American. I love you. 936 00:37:21,892 --> 00:37:24,603 {\an8}I'm sorry for what happened in the past. I really am. 937 00:37:24,603 --> 00:37:25,688 {\an8}Let's just sign it and move on. 938 00:37:25,688 --> 00:37:27,564 You don't have an opinion, but you'll sign it anyway? 939 00:37:27,564 --> 00:37:29,107 If that's what you'd like me to, I can help. 940 00:37:29,107 --> 00:37:31,234 - I would like you to. - I can help you guys out. 941 00:37:31,234 --> 00:37:32,444 Yeah. Thank you so much. 942 00:37:32,444 --> 00:37:34,153 - Sign here? - Yes. Absolutely. 943 00:37:34,153 --> 00:37:35,947 I think it's a beautiful idea. 944 00:37:35,947 --> 00:37:37,031 You think it's a beautiful idea? 945 00:37:37,031 --> 00:37:38,115 I do. 946 00:37:39,491 --> 00:37:41,660 MATT: We've got an encouraging number of signatures so far. 947 00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:42,911 We have a petition for the... 948 00:37:42,911 --> 00:37:44,413 to redress historical inequities. 949 00:37:44,413 --> 00:37:45,997 Would you mind signing it? 950 00:37:45,997 --> 00:37:47,082 - You will? - [CAR HORN HONKING] 951 00:37:47,082 --> 00:37:49,501 Uh, we want to rename the George Washington Monument 952 00:37:49,501 --> 00:37:50,961 to the George Floyd Monument. 953 00:37:50,961 --> 00:37:52,420 [CAR HORN BLARES] 954 00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:53,504 Thank you so much. 955 00:37:53,504 --> 00:37:54,672 Would you be willing to? 956 00:37:55,923 --> 00:37:57,217 I can't agree with that. 957 00:37:57,217 --> 00:37:59,552 - Will you sign it? - No. [CHUCKLES] 958 00:37:59,552 --> 00:38:01,095 So are you gonna erase all of them? 959 00:38:01,095 --> 00:38:02,471 Yes. 960 00:38:02,471 --> 00:38:03,889 No. [SNIFFS] 961 00:38:03,889 --> 00:38:05,557 - Can you sign it anyway? - Nope. 962 00:38:07,142 --> 00:38:08,185 MATT: Getting people to agree 963 00:38:08,185 --> 00:38:09,769 to change the George Washington Monument 964 00:38:09,769 --> 00:38:13,022 to the George Floyd Monument seemed ambitious. 965 00:38:13,022 --> 00:38:14,232 I'm pleasantly surprised 966 00:38:14,232 --> 00:38:16,860 people are willing to erase our problematic history. 967 00:38:17,610 --> 00:38:20,196 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 968 00:38:23,949 --> 00:38:25,701 WOMAN ON TV: I spend way too much time cleaning. 969 00:38:25,701 --> 00:38:27,202 MAN ON TV: Oh, the broom shaka lakas 970 00:38:27,202 --> 00:38:28,286 - for more than just... - [FLIPS CHANNELS] 971 00:38:28,286 --> 00:38:29,872 WOMAN 2: It's come with a full 60-day... 972 00:38:29,872 --> 00:38:33,375 DR. PHIL: There's a controversial documentary out 973 00:38:33,375 --> 00:38:36,378 {\an8}entitled Destructing Karen . 974 00:38:36,378 --> 00:38:39,672 REGINA JACKSON: How many of you would trade places 975 00:38:39,672 --> 00:38:41,632 with a Black person in this society? 976 00:38:41,632 --> 00:38:43,092 Raise your hand. 977 00:38:43,092 --> 00:38:45,177 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYING] 978 00:38:48,597 --> 00:38:50,891 DR. PHIL: Today, on an all-new Dr. Phil , 979 00:38:50,891 --> 00:38:53,894 {\an8}Regina Jackson and Saira Rao. 980 00:38:53,894 --> 00:38:56,521 {\an8}Now, they are co-founders of Race 2 Dinner. 981 00:38:56,521 --> 00:38:59,732 What did you expect at these dinners? 982 00:38:59,732 --> 00:39:02,109 {\an8}Basically, exactly what we expect is what we get. 983 00:39:02,109 --> 00:39:04,654 {\an8}Some women are ready to do the work. 984 00:39:04,654 --> 00:39:07,031 {\an8}But pretty much when they come to the dinners, 985 00:39:07,031 --> 00:39:09,116 {\an8}"It's not me. I'm not racist." 986 00:39:09,116 --> 00:39:10,492 MATT: Hold on a minute. 987 00:39:10,492 --> 00:39:12,494 I've heard of these ladies before. 988 00:39:12,494 --> 00:39:15,413 {\an8}Race 2 Dinner is a thing that they do, uh... 989 00:39:15,413 --> 00:39:17,373 Basically, this book is saying, like, 990 00:39:17,373 --> 00:39:20,209 {\an8}"We need to stop being nice about racism." 991 00:39:21,002 --> 00:39:22,795 MATT: Stop being nice about racism? 992 00:39:22,795 --> 00:39:24,087 What a concept! 993 00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:27,382 {\an8}Apparently, you just pay these ladies thousands of dollars 994 00:39:27,382 --> 00:39:29,426 {\an8}to come over for dinner and call you racist. 995 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,761 {\an8}It's genius! 996 00:39:31,761 --> 00:39:35,265 I absolutely need to attend one of these dinners. 997 00:39:35,265 --> 00:39:37,058 But there's a big problem. 998 00:39:37,058 --> 00:39:39,476 {\an8}Only white women are allowed to attend. 999 00:39:40,019 --> 00:39:41,979 {\an8}Why do white women get to have all the fun? 1000 00:39:42,729 --> 00:39:46,025 I need to find another way to earn a seat at the table. 1001 00:39:46,025 --> 00:39:48,360 [CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 1002 00:40:06,877 --> 00:40:08,128 - [MUSIC ENDS] - JACKSON: Okay. 1003 00:40:08,128 --> 00:40:11,715 So, at these dinners, we only have one rule. 1004 00:40:11,715 --> 00:40:15,218 And the rule is that if you have to cry, 1005 00:40:15,218 --> 00:40:16,678 you have to leave the table. 1006 00:40:16,678 --> 00:40:20,139 Generally, we will have the host just set up a room, 1007 00:40:20,139 --> 00:40:22,433 you know, with lots of tissue 1008 00:40:22,433 --> 00:40:23,601 - and everything... - [ALL CHUCKLE] 1009 00:40:23,601 --> 00:40:26,354 ...so you can go in there and sob your heart out. 1010 00:40:26,354 --> 00:40:28,355 When a white woman starts crying, 1011 00:40:28,355 --> 00:40:31,066 it draws all the attention 1012 00:40:31,066 --> 00:40:32,150 - from the room... - WOMAN: Yeah. 1013 00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:33,485 JACKSON: ...onto that poor, 1014 00:40:33,485 --> 00:40:34,736 - white woman. - Yeah. 1015 00:40:34,736 --> 00:40:38,197 Even the language of whiteness softens everything. 1016 00:40:38,197 --> 00:40:40,492 White fragility, so what that is, is... 1017 00:40:40,492 --> 00:40:42,243 And by the way, a white woman, 1018 00:40:42,243 --> 00:40:44,328 you know, your hero, Robin DiAngelo, 1019 00:40:44,328 --> 00:40:45,662 coined that term, 1020 00:40:45,662 --> 00:40:46,747 and it's for when people... 1021 00:40:46,747 --> 00:40:48,332 when Black and brown people talk about racism 1022 00:40:48,332 --> 00:40:51,793 and then white people get upset, you know, angry, 1023 00:40:51,793 --> 00:40:53,503 and then deflect the conversation. 1024 00:40:53,503 --> 00:40:56,006 By not wanting to address your racism 1025 00:40:56,006 --> 00:40:57,715 and your white supremacy, 1026 00:40:57,715 --> 00:40:59,050 that is upholding white supremacy. 1027 00:40:59,050 --> 00:41:02,803 That is not fragile. So just think about how even language 1028 00:41:02,803 --> 00:41:04,764 to describe your violent behavior 1029 00:41:04,764 --> 00:41:08,809 is couched in ways to make you all seem delicate. 1030 00:41:08,809 --> 00:41:11,186 JACKSON: And to make you comfortable. 1031 00:41:11,186 --> 00:41:12,479 RAO: So... 1032 00:41:13,147 --> 00:41:14,939 tell us one instance 1033 00:41:14,939 --> 00:41:18,860 that your racism has shown up recently. 1034 00:41:18,860 --> 00:41:20,653 And that's either something 1035 00:41:20,653 --> 00:41:22,155 - you did... - Didn't do. 1036 00:41:22,155 --> 00:41:25,283 ...thought or an action. 1037 00:41:25,283 --> 00:41:27,075 WOMAN 1: So, my husband's Black, 1038 00:41:27,075 --> 00:41:31,204 so it can be an everyday white supremacist thing. 1039 00:41:31,204 --> 00:41:32,915 Like, if I'm out in public, 1040 00:41:32,915 --> 00:41:35,292 and he's, like, really loud or something 1041 00:41:35,292 --> 00:41:36,793 and I'll shush him. 1042 00:41:36,793 --> 00:41:38,085 Why do you do that? 1043 00:41:38,085 --> 00:41:41,631 Uh, usually because we're in a space 1044 00:41:41,631 --> 00:41:43,966 that I think should be quiet, which is probably 1045 00:41:43,966 --> 00:41:46,135 my white supremacy talking. 1046 00:41:46,135 --> 00:41:48,595 So, that's basically tone policing 1047 00:41:48,595 --> 00:41:50,389 - a Black person... - JACKSON: Mm-hmm. 1048 00:41:50,389 --> 00:41:51,640 RAO: ...who happens to be your husband. 1049 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,017 - WOMAN 1: Yeah. - Okay. Who's next? 1050 00:41:54,726 --> 00:41:57,270 WOMAN 2: This one mom starts going on about 1051 00:41:57,270 --> 00:42:00,065 how her white son is so screwed. 1052 00:42:00,065 --> 00:42:02,900 Been rejected here, and "white boy, white boy." 1053 00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:04,860 All right, white entitlement, white centering, 1054 00:42:04,860 --> 00:42:07,154 tone policing, white silence. 1055 00:42:07,154 --> 00:42:09,489 White women owned slaves. 1056 00:42:10,407 --> 00:42:11,783 Period. That's what it is. 1057 00:42:11,783 --> 00:42:13,368 Let's be clear what's happening in this country. 1058 00:42:13,368 --> 00:42:14,911 - It's Nazism. - Yeah. 1059 00:42:14,911 --> 00:42:16,913 RAO: Republicans are Nazis. 1060 00:42:16,913 --> 00:42:18,623 I assume it sounds like everyone here 1061 00:42:18,623 --> 00:42:20,333 is probably not a Republican. I might be wrong. 1062 00:42:20,333 --> 00:42:21,459 Am I wrong about the... 1063 00:42:21,459 --> 00:42:23,502 Is there any Republican at this table? 1064 00:42:23,502 --> 00:42:25,963 You cannot separate yourselves 1065 00:42:25,963 --> 00:42:28,466 - from the bad white people. - [DOOR CREAKS] 1066 00:42:29,174 --> 00:42:31,009 The proliferation of guns has happened 1067 00:42:31,009 --> 00:42:33,095 every time whites feel terrified 1068 00:42:33,095 --> 00:42:34,179 of Black and brown people, 1069 00:42:34,179 --> 00:42:35,763 which is literally every 10 seconds, 1070 00:42:35,763 --> 00:42:39,016 but also, um, when there's an event like Obama. 1071 00:42:39,016 --> 00:42:40,768 Like Ferguson. Like 9/11. 1072 00:42:40,768 --> 00:42:42,812 Like COVID-19. Like George Floyd. Thank you. 1073 00:42:42,812 --> 00:42:44,188 Um... 1074 00:42:44,188 --> 00:42:46,107 You've been killing all of us, right? 1075 00:42:46,107 --> 00:42:48,275 Primarily Black folks, and we're just right behind. 1076 00:42:48,275 --> 00:42:49,818 Right? There's the hierarchy. 1077 00:42:49,818 --> 00:42:52,738 Whiteness is even more insidious than I... 1078 00:42:52,738 --> 00:42:55,031 than I even knew even a year ago. 1079 00:42:55,031 --> 00:42:56,908 And whiteness also robs you of your brain. 1080 00:42:56,908 --> 00:42:58,451 You know, you all have gave up 1081 00:42:58,451 --> 00:43:00,870 your reproductive health rights without... 1082 00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:02,622 You wouldn't even get off your Peloton bike 1083 00:43:02,622 --> 00:43:04,999 for 10 minutes to go protest that. 1084 00:43:04,999 --> 00:43:06,083 MATT: Did you want a second roll? 1085 00:43:06,083 --> 00:43:07,960 No, thank you. Oh, okay. I'm good. 1086 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,462 JACKSON: Black people know 1087 00:43:10,462 --> 00:43:12,922 that white people believe they need their guns 1088 00:43:12,922 --> 00:43:15,217 to protect yourselves from us. 1089 00:43:15,217 --> 00:43:19,137 We've decided that it's okay for the Second Amendment, 1090 00:43:19,137 --> 00:43:22,098 which is literally synonymous with white supremacy, 1091 00:43:22,098 --> 00:43:23,432 to be our bible. 1092 00:43:23,432 --> 00:43:24,976 MATT: [WHISPERS] You want some? 1093 00:43:24,976 --> 00:43:27,478 This is what anti-racism is. 1094 00:43:27,478 --> 00:43:29,313 It's actually what anti-whiteness is. 1095 00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:33,859 - It has to burn. - Mm-hmm. 1096 00:43:33,859 --> 00:43:35,652 The entire system has to burn. 1097 00:43:36,819 --> 00:43:38,280 And I'm not looking to you to save this country. 1098 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,656 This country is not worth saving. 1099 00:43:40,782 --> 00:43:41,866 This country is a piece of shit. 1100 00:43:41,866 --> 00:43:43,785 - [PLATES CRASH] - Oh, my goodness! 1101 00:43:44,869 --> 00:43:46,037 MATT: Oh, sorry. 1102 00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:49,665 RAO: Um, but yes. 1103 00:43:49,665 --> 00:43:53,794 Uh, aren't you all tired of living like this? Seriously. 1104 00:43:53,794 --> 00:43:54,920 I mean, I used to be a white woman. 1105 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,005 - An unsuccessful one... - [WOMEN CHUCKLE] 1106 00:43:57,005 --> 00:43:58,089 ...for many decades. 1107 00:43:58,089 --> 00:43:59,800 And it was a miserable experience. 1108 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,927 And really, the... the... the hatred of yourselves 1109 00:44:02,927 --> 00:44:04,970 and each other is like the most... 1110 00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:06,347 The not seeing your power. 1111 00:44:06,347 --> 00:44:07,765 The being afraid, like, 1112 00:44:07,765 --> 00:44:09,684 all you do is talk shit about each other, 1113 00:44:09,684 --> 00:44:11,435 talk shit about yourselves, "Oh, my God, I'm so fat." 1114 00:44:11,435 --> 00:44:12,978 MATT: That's all they do. That's all they do. 1115 00:44:12,978 --> 00:44:14,104 - [WOMEN LAUGH] - I'm telling you. 1116 00:44:14,104 --> 00:44:15,522 These white women. 1117 00:44:15,522 --> 00:44:17,732 RAO: But it's... it's... That's it. 1118 00:44:17,732 --> 00:44:19,693 It's "I'm so fat. I'm so stupid. 1119 00:44:19,693 --> 00:44:20,777 "I'm blah blah blah." 1120 00:44:20,777 --> 00:44:22,320 [PLATES CRASH AND CLATTER] 1121 00:44:22,696 --> 00:44:23,696 MATT: Sorry. 1122 00:44:29,452 --> 00:44:31,119 RAO: Your kids are watching you. 1123 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,081 And they're watching you talking shit about each other. 1124 00:44:34,081 --> 00:44:36,708 You know, raging against a machine or being silent 1125 00:44:36,708 --> 00:44:37,792 or whatever the hell it is 1126 00:44:37,792 --> 00:44:38,918 that you're doing or not doing. 1127 00:44:38,918 --> 00:44:40,587 And they know that you're not doing shit for them. 1128 00:44:40,587 --> 00:44:41,671 MATT: That's so important. 1129 00:44:41,671 --> 00:44:43,423 That is so important, what she just said. 1130 00:44:45,842 --> 00:44:47,593 It's real... It's really important. 1131 00:44:48,427 --> 00:44:49,428 That's... 1132 00:44:49,428 --> 00:44:51,055 We may have to add you to our team. [LAUGHS] 1133 00:44:51,055 --> 00:44:53,014 Oh! I would love to take a seat and join you. 1134 00:44:53,014 --> 00:44:54,891 - No. You're not allowed to. - MATT: Oh, okay. 1135 00:44:54,891 --> 00:44:56,518 - Definitely not allowed. - MATT: Okay. 1136 00:44:56,518 --> 00:44:59,520 I do have my DEI certification 1137 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:00,897 - that I... that I got. - Okay. 1138 00:45:00,897 --> 00:45:02,523 - Okay. - MATT: So... 1139 00:45:02,523 --> 00:45:04,775 Not saying I'm an expert, but I'm also not a novice. 1140 00:45:04,775 --> 00:45:06,193 So... [CHUCKLES] 1141 00:45:06,193 --> 00:45:07,528 Okay. 1142 00:45:07,528 --> 00:45:09,196 White people are starved for these conversations. 1143 00:45:09,196 --> 00:45:10,489 MATT: We are. We are so starving. 1144 00:45:10,489 --> 00:45:13,158 - JACKSON: Yeah. - We are so starving for this. 1145 00:45:13,158 --> 00:45:15,077 RAO: Anyone else? 1146 00:45:15,077 --> 00:45:16,620 Want to say anything? 1147 00:45:16,620 --> 00:45:17,704 MATT: I'll just say one thing. 1148 00:45:17,704 --> 00:45:19,163 I'm so glad we can have these conversations. 1149 00:45:19,163 --> 00:45:21,207 And I'll be done. But, uh, I'm just so glad 1150 00:45:21,207 --> 00:45:24,085 that we could all get together to have these conversations. 1151 00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:25,711 [CHUCKLES] That's all I wanted to say. 1152 00:45:25,711 --> 00:45:27,755 - JACKSON: Thank you. - Is he an actor? 1153 00:45:27,755 --> 00:45:29,465 - Are you an actor? - MATT: Oh, no. 1154 00:45:29,465 --> 00:45:31,174 Can you let us... We're trying to listen 1155 00:45:31,174 --> 00:45:32,551 and trying to have this conversation. 1156 00:45:32,551 --> 00:45:34,011 MATT: Okay. You know, 1157 00:45:34,011 --> 00:45:36,429 we're all acting all the time in our lives, 1158 00:45:36,429 --> 00:45:39,307 and, uh, and I think that that's part of the problem. 1159 00:45:39,307 --> 00:45:41,601 You know? [SIGHS] 1160 00:45:41,601 --> 00:45:43,060 And it's like we're all trying to play a part 1161 00:45:43,060 --> 00:45:44,270 rather than just being real 1162 00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:46,355 and having these uncomfortable conversations. 1163 00:45:46,355 --> 00:45:48,024 And that's what I'm always trying to tell people. 1164 00:45:48,024 --> 00:45:49,859 Especially, you know, white women. No offense. 1165 00:45:49,859 --> 00:45:50,943 - But... [CHUCKLES] - RAO: No, 1166 00:45:50,943 --> 00:45:52,694 but, see, like, you're a white dude. 1167 00:45:52,694 --> 00:45:54,029 There's power positions 1168 00:45:54,029 --> 00:45:55,406 - and, uh, you know... - MATT: Yeah. 1169 00:45:55,406 --> 00:45:58,408 ...it's pointing... pointing... 1170 00:45:58,408 --> 00:46:01,411 white people pointing fingers at each other is not helpful. 1171 00:46:01,411 --> 00:46:04,039 MATT: You know, I've been on this journey for so long, 1172 00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:05,748 and just to see you guys at the table 1173 00:46:05,748 --> 00:46:08,459 having this conversation has been really 1174 00:46:08,459 --> 00:46:10,002 enlightening for me. 1175 00:46:10,002 --> 00:46:12,129 Anyway, I got the DEI certification. 1176 00:46:12,963 --> 00:46:15,007 [SMACKS LIPS] And I'm just on the journey. 1177 00:46:16,508 --> 00:46:17,509 All right. You ladies have a great... 1178 00:46:17,509 --> 00:46:18,718 RAO: Thank you. JACKSON: All right. 1179 00:46:20,429 --> 00:46:21,430 [DOOR OPENS] 1180 00:46:22,556 --> 00:46:25,975 - Decolonize yourself. - Mm-hmm. 1181 00:46:25,975 --> 00:46:31,647 Do your own white supremacy dismantling. 1182 00:46:31,647 --> 00:46:34,357 And then you can start to bring in other people. 1183 00:46:34,357 --> 00:46:36,109 MATT: Can I just... Can I just say one last thing? 1184 00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:37,360 Can I just propose a toast? 1185 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,156 Uh, I mean, just raise a glass if you're racist. 1186 00:46:42,073 --> 00:46:43,450 And that's the thing. 1187 00:46:44,492 --> 00:46:46,410 Cheers. Oh, I'm not racist. Let me put my glass down. 1188 00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:48,204 - MATT: All the rest of you. - [JACKSON LAUGHS] 1189 00:46:49,831 --> 00:46:51,123 To racists. 1190 00:46:51,123 --> 00:46:52,749 [GLASSES CLINKING] 1191 00:46:54,626 --> 00:46:56,628 [BLUEGRASS MUSIC PLAYING] 1192 00:46:58,422 --> 00:47:00,340 MATT: What a charming group of ladies. 1193 00:47:01,132 --> 00:47:03,801 I've learned a lot from my fellow anti-racists. 1194 00:47:03,801 --> 00:47:06,096 But now it's time to evangelize. 1195 00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:07,722 To go to white America 1196 00:47:07,722 --> 00:47:09,640 and teach them about their privilege. 1197 00:47:10,265 --> 00:47:12,226 This biker bar will do just fine. 1198 00:47:12,226 --> 00:47:14,478 [ENGINE REVVING] 1199 00:47:15,687 --> 00:47:16,688 I'm sure these people 1200 00:47:16,688 --> 00:47:18,398 would love to have an honest dialogue 1201 00:47:18,398 --> 00:47:19,899 about the perils of whiteness. 1202 00:47:30,284 --> 00:47:32,370 [BLUEGRASS MUSIC CONTINUES] 1203 00:47:37,875 --> 00:47:38,876 [MUSIC ENDS] 1204 00:47:38,876 --> 00:47:40,961 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYS] 1205 00:47:48,134 --> 00:47:49,343 MATT: What are you doing, 1206 00:47:50,052 --> 00:47:53,973 personally, in your life to decenter your whiteness? 1207 00:47:53,973 --> 00:47:56,600 What do you mean, decenter it? Well... 1208 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,935 Take it away from the center of... 1209 00:48:00,186 --> 00:48:02,063 Who's making it the center? Why are they doing that? 1210 00:48:03,356 --> 00:48:04,858 Why race has to be thrown in on everything? 1211 00:48:04,858 --> 00:48:06,817 Well, you're white... you're white. 1212 00:48:06,817 --> 00:48:08,486 So? Who cares? 1213 00:48:08,486 --> 00:48:10,571 I mean, really, the way that the world is going right now, 1214 00:48:10,571 --> 00:48:11,697 people need to be concerned 1215 00:48:11,697 --> 00:48:13,658 with how they're going to feed their families. 1216 00:48:13,658 --> 00:48:15,534 Not what color is that man's skin. 1217 00:48:15,534 --> 00:48:16,911 I got Black friends, I love them, too. 1218 00:48:16,911 --> 00:48:18,828 - But they know they're Black. - Do you know they're Black? 1219 00:48:18,828 --> 00:48:21,248 Of course I do, and I like it. Good for them. 1220 00:48:21,248 --> 00:48:22,582 Well, you know, one thing I've learned is that 1221 00:48:22,582 --> 00:48:24,125 if you meet a Black person, 1222 00:48:24,125 --> 00:48:26,335 you want to forget that they're Black. 1223 00:48:26,335 --> 00:48:27,837 But don't forget that they're Black. 1224 00:48:27,837 --> 00:48:29,380 Why would you want to forget that they're Black? 1225 00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:31,215 - Well, don't. But also don't. - Are they a friend? 1226 00:48:31,799 --> 00:48:33,301 Then you should embrace them being Black. 1227 00:48:33,301 --> 00:48:35,844 I think Black men should have pride in being Black. 1228 00:48:35,844 --> 00:48:37,429 And I think you should have pride in being white. 1229 00:48:37,429 --> 00:48:39,431 - What's wrong with that? - I agree with the first part. 1230 00:48:39,431 --> 00:48:40,723 Hello, sir. 1231 00:48:40,723 --> 00:48:41,934 Hi. 1232 00:48:41,934 --> 00:48:43,018 What's your name? 1233 00:48:43,018 --> 00:48:44,144 Pat. 1234 00:48:44,727 --> 00:48:46,354 - Pat? - Yeah. 1235 00:48:46,354 --> 00:48:48,230 What about you? Do you have, uh, kids? 1236 00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:50,316 - Do you have a wife? - Yeah, I've got... 1237 00:48:52,109 --> 00:48:53,860 two or three kids... 1238 00:48:53,860 --> 00:48:56,197 - Two or three kids? - Yeah. 1239 00:48:56,197 --> 00:48:57,531 You don't have to give me the whole list, 1240 00:48:57,531 --> 00:48:59,282 but what are some ways 1241 00:48:59,282 --> 00:49:02,035 that you're, um, confronting your whiteness? 1242 00:49:02,703 --> 00:49:04,162 - My whiteness? - Yeah. 1243 00:49:04,162 --> 00:49:07,207 I get along good with Black people. 1244 00:49:07,207 --> 00:49:09,959 I used to have... I used to have a Black brother. 1245 00:49:09,959 --> 00:49:12,127 I called him my brother. He called me his brother. 1246 00:49:12,127 --> 00:49:13,337 Was he really your brother? 1247 00:49:13,337 --> 00:49:14,797 No, he wasn't. 1248 00:49:14,797 --> 00:49:16,465 You were calling a Black man brother? 1249 00:49:16,465 --> 00:49:18,383 Yeah. I had more Black friends 1250 00:49:18,383 --> 00:49:20,260 living in Huntsville than I had white friends. 1251 00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:22,429 - Really? - Yeah. 1252 00:49:22,429 --> 00:49:24,973 So that's in your own life, but systemically... 1253 00:49:24,973 --> 00:49:26,808 Considering the way things is at now? 1254 00:49:26,808 --> 00:49:27,976 Yeah. 1255 00:49:28,642 --> 00:49:30,311 Just to summarize. But what do you think about 1256 00:49:30,311 --> 00:49:33,147 this issue of heteronormativity 1257 00:49:33,147 --> 00:49:34,440 and how it intersects 1258 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,235 with the broader structures of racism in society? 1259 00:49:38,819 --> 00:49:39,820 Huh? 1260 00:49:39,820 --> 00:49:42,364 I mean, ultimately, how do we get to a point of, 1261 00:49:42,364 --> 00:49:43,656 let's say, racial harmony? 1262 00:49:44,282 --> 00:49:45,742 I don't know. 1263 00:49:45,742 --> 00:49:48,703 But I'm just telling you what I said. 1264 00:49:48,703 --> 00:49:50,663 That's a lot to think about on my own journey. 1265 00:49:54,208 --> 00:49:56,252 - It's good to talk to you. - Mm-hmm. 1266 00:49:56,252 --> 00:49:58,420 {\an8}Uh, I'm a vegetarian as well. 1267 00:49:58,420 --> 00:50:01,047 Uh, just started on the vegan, uh, journey also, 1268 00:50:01,047 --> 00:50:02,633 {\an8}- so I'm glad... - That don't say "vegetarian." 1269 00:50:03,049 --> 00:50:04,217 {\an8}That's a... 1270 00:50:04,217 --> 00:50:06,052 {\an8}-"Vaginatarian." [LAUGHS] -"Vaginatarian." 1271 00:50:06,052 --> 00:50:07,428 {\an8}[LAUGHING] 1272 00:50:07,428 --> 00:50:08,638 {\an8}What is that? 1273 00:50:09,347 --> 00:50:10,848 That's a little bit of a sexist joke. 1274 00:50:10,848 --> 00:50:13,809 {\an8}Well, you know. It is what it is. 1275 00:50:13,809 --> 00:50:15,728 What do you think about racism in society? 1276 00:50:15,728 --> 00:50:17,396 Is it... Do you think it's a big problem? 1277 00:50:17,396 --> 00:50:19,648 I was born in 1960. 1278 00:50:19,648 --> 00:50:22,651 My dad, my uncle, 1279 00:50:22,651 --> 00:50:24,819 my granddaddy, were Klansmen. 1280 00:50:26,571 --> 00:50:27,781 It never affected me. 1281 00:50:27,781 --> 00:50:29,365 But you don't... You're not... 1282 00:50:29,365 --> 00:50:30,491 - No. - ...racist? 1283 00:50:30,491 --> 00:50:32,868 - No. Not at all. - And how do you know? 1284 00:50:32,868 --> 00:50:34,620 How do either of you know that you're... 1285 00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:37,790 Because I... I accept people as they are. 1286 00:50:37,790 --> 00:50:38,957 WOMAN: Exactly. 1287 00:50:38,957 --> 00:50:40,751 If you approach me as a human being, 1288 00:50:40,751 --> 00:50:42,419 then I'm gonna be a human being too. 1289 00:50:42,419 --> 00:50:44,837 We all bleed the same way. 1290 00:50:44,837 --> 00:50:46,839 What do you think about systemic racism? 1291 00:50:46,839 --> 00:50:48,675 Systemic? What the hell is that? 1292 00:50:48,675 --> 00:50:52,011 Is the system constructed in such a way 1293 00:50:52,011 --> 00:50:55,306 as to marginalize people of color? 1294 00:50:55,306 --> 00:50:57,599 You wanna do away with racism? 1295 00:50:58,350 --> 00:51:00,394 Quit labeling people as Black and white. 1296 00:51:00,394 --> 00:51:03,021 - WOMAN: Exactly. - But that's colorblindness, 1297 00:51:03,021 --> 00:51:04,397 which is problematic. 1298 00:51:04,397 --> 00:51:06,566 If I meet you as a Black man, and you... 1299 00:51:06,566 --> 00:51:08,901 you approach me, I shake your hand. 1300 00:51:08,901 --> 00:51:10,778 We go in here, we have a conversation, 1301 00:51:10,778 --> 00:51:14,990 we have a beer or ride down the road on a motorcycle. 1302 00:51:15,658 --> 00:51:17,409 What the hell does your color got to do with it? 1303 00:51:17,993 --> 00:51:20,204 - It's all right here, bubba. - [BLUEGRASS MUSIC PLAYS] 1304 00:51:20,204 --> 00:51:22,956 {\an8}If you treat people right, they treat you right. 1305 00:51:22,956 --> 00:51:24,040 And... 1306 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,250 {\an8}I don't care what color they are. 1307 00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:28,377 {\an8}You gotta treat each other right. 1308 00:51:30,839 --> 00:51:32,090 {\an8}MATT: I was expecting these bikers 1309 00:51:32,090 --> 00:51:33,966 {\an8}would be a bunch of racists. 1310 00:51:34,633 --> 00:51:36,510 And obviously, I was right. 1311 00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:38,220 These people haven't even started 1312 00:51:38,220 --> 00:51:39,888 to decenter their whiteness. 1313 00:51:41,849 --> 00:51:44,351 Now I need to go deeper into the racist south, 1314 00:51:45,185 --> 00:51:46,894 so that I can talk to people of color 1315 00:51:46,894 --> 00:51:49,272 about their lived experience with racism. 1316 00:51:52,483 --> 00:51:55,862 I was in the drug game for 18 years of my life, man. 1317 00:51:55,862 --> 00:51:59,948 And 14 and a half years went all, uh, to incarceration. 1318 00:51:59,948 --> 00:52:01,074 {\an8}So how did you get out? 1319 00:52:01,074 --> 00:52:03,410 I got out through, uh, the pages of the Word of God. 1320 00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:06,454 MAN: My parents always taught me to love everybody. 1321 00:52:06,454 --> 00:52:10,166 Don't allow skin color to ever become a problem for you. 1322 00:52:10,166 --> 00:52:12,210 We didn't... We didn't see colors, baby. 1323 00:52:12,210 --> 00:52:13,753 Because we grew up together. 1324 00:52:13,753 --> 00:52:15,963 And you know, it was a lot of love. 1325 00:52:15,963 --> 00:52:18,548 Inherent dignity, it's in all of us. 1326 00:52:18,548 --> 00:52:20,843 Though we're different in so many ways, 1327 00:52:20,843 --> 00:52:23,303 we're still alike in so many more ways. 1328 00:52:23,303 --> 00:52:25,764 - So we all one in God's sight. - Yes. 1329 00:52:27,098 --> 00:52:28,808 MATT: So how long have you owned this shop here? 1330 00:52:28,808 --> 00:52:33,479 I came here August 15, 1971, from British Guyana. 1331 00:52:33,479 --> 00:52:34,813 Did you start a family and all that? 1332 00:52:34,813 --> 00:52:38,526 Yes. Altogether I have 53 grandchildren. 1333 00:52:38,526 --> 00:52:39,652 - Wow. - Yeah. 1334 00:52:39,652 --> 00:52:41,028 You think the country has been good to you? 1335 00:52:41,028 --> 00:52:43,321 Yeah. Yeah, very good. Very good, yeah. 1336 00:52:43,321 --> 00:52:45,615 How do you feel about America today? 1337 00:52:45,615 --> 00:52:47,700 America, man, is a beautiful country. 1338 00:52:48,368 --> 00:52:50,745 A beautiful country. I don't have no problem here. 1339 00:52:50,745 --> 00:52:53,455 A lot of people, pretty critical of, uh... 1340 00:52:53,455 --> 00:52:54,832 of this country, and, you know... 1341 00:52:54,832 --> 00:52:56,125 I don't know why. 1342 00:52:56,125 --> 00:52:57,668 It can be kind of a racist country. 1343 00:52:57,668 --> 00:52:59,545 No. No, no, no. 1344 00:53:00,754 --> 00:53:02,548 Do you experience a lot of microaggressions out here? 1345 00:53:02,548 --> 00:53:04,174 Nah. Not out here. 1346 00:53:05,676 --> 00:53:06,677 No. 1347 00:53:06,677 --> 00:53:08,553 Well, what about the systemic issue? 1348 00:53:09,762 --> 00:53:12,473 - Systemic... - What you mean by "systemic"? 1349 00:53:12,473 --> 00:53:14,975 Well, the whole country. The system. 1350 00:53:14,975 --> 00:53:17,895 The system is... You know, the system is racist. 1351 00:53:17,895 --> 00:53:19,271 Mm... 1352 00:53:19,271 --> 00:53:20,731 Not to me. 1353 00:53:20,731 --> 00:53:22,566 - Not to you? - No. Not to me, man. 1354 00:53:22,566 --> 00:53:24,068 I don't think about those things, 1355 00:53:24,068 --> 00:53:25,360 racism and all that stuff. 1356 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,945 I've been reading a lot of books recently. 1357 00:53:26,945 --> 00:53:29,448 Robin DiAngelo, White Fragility, obviously. 1358 00:53:29,448 --> 00:53:31,658 Uh, been reading a lot of anti-racist literature. 1359 00:53:31,658 --> 00:53:33,952 Mm-hmm. I don't read them things. 1360 00:53:33,952 --> 00:53:35,203 What do you read? 1361 00:53:35,203 --> 00:53:36,870 The only thing I read is the Bible. 1362 00:53:37,996 --> 00:53:39,790 I got it in the car right there. 1363 00:53:39,790 --> 00:53:40,958 If you looked in my car, 1364 00:53:40,958 --> 00:53:42,585 you'll see it right there on the seat. 1365 00:53:44,419 --> 00:53:46,546 So you haven't read any Robin DiAngelo? 1366 00:53:46,546 --> 00:53:49,674 Uh, no. No, no. Robin DiAngelo, who is that? 1367 00:53:49,674 --> 00:53:51,509 Well, she's a anti-racist, uh... 1368 00:53:51,509 --> 00:53:53,052 - Oh, no, no, no. No, no, no. - ...expert. 1369 00:53:53,052 --> 00:53:54,971 I never read them kind of books, man. 1370 00:53:54,971 --> 00:53:56,180 If I get a book like that, 1371 00:53:56,180 --> 00:53:57,556 I put it down. I don't want it. 1372 00:53:57,556 --> 00:53:59,308 I got a couple copies in my car. I can give you one. 1373 00:53:59,308 --> 00:54:00,851 No. I don't want it. I don't want it. 1374 00:54:00,851 --> 00:54:02,853 I don't want it. [LAUGHS] 1375 00:54:02,853 --> 00:54:05,564 No. 'Cause that is not in my heart. No. 1376 00:54:05,564 --> 00:54:09,525 I've kind of been working on, uh, decentering my whiteness. 1377 00:54:09,525 --> 00:54:11,736 Oh, your whiteness? [CHUCKLES] 1378 00:54:11,736 --> 00:54:14,071 Aight now, baby. We all bleed the same thing, dude. 1379 00:54:14,071 --> 00:54:16,741 If I cut you right there, you will bleed just like me. 1380 00:54:16,741 --> 00:54:18,743 [LAUGHING] 1381 00:54:18,743 --> 00:54:19,827 I... 1382 00:54:19,827 --> 00:54:21,787 It's just the color of your skin. 1383 00:54:21,787 --> 00:54:23,497 How do we get past all the, uh, 1384 00:54:23,497 --> 00:54:24,999 talk about racism and the... 1385 00:54:24,999 --> 00:54:27,167 Oh, we gotta love each other, like I said. 1386 00:54:28,460 --> 00:54:30,169 We have to love each other. 1387 00:54:30,169 --> 00:54:32,421 That's how you get past racism. 1388 00:54:34,257 --> 00:54:35,591 Well, it can't be that simple. 1389 00:54:35,591 --> 00:54:36,925 - Huh? - Is it that simple? 1390 00:54:36,925 --> 00:54:38,302 Well, yeah. I mean, to me. 1391 00:54:38,302 --> 00:54:39,428 [BLUEGRASS MUSIC PLAYS] 1392 00:54:39,428 --> 00:54:41,472 MATT: Something's not right. 1393 00:54:41,472 --> 00:54:43,849 These people said the same thing as those bikers. 1394 00:54:44,432 --> 00:54:46,143 White supremacy is more pervasive 1395 00:54:46,143 --> 00:54:47,269 than I ever imagined. 1396 00:54:47,269 --> 00:54:48,686 I need to talk to someone 1397 00:54:48,686 --> 00:54:51,939 who has stared directly into the face of racism. 1398 00:54:51,939 --> 00:54:53,983 - July 16th... - Mm-hmm. 1399 00:54:53,983 --> 00:54:55,317 - ...2022. - Mm-hmm. 1400 00:54:55,317 --> 00:54:57,194 - Difficult day for you. - Very. 1401 00:54:57,194 --> 00:54:58,445 And for America. 1402 00:54:58,445 --> 00:54:59,906 {\an8}The popular kids amusement park 1403 00:54:59,906 --> 00:55:02,241 {\an8}apologized after a video went viral 1404 00:55:02,241 --> 00:55:04,451 {\an8}that appeared to show a costumed character 1405 00:55:04,451 --> 00:55:05,744 {\an8}snubbing two Black girls. 1406 00:55:05,744 --> 00:55:07,621 {\an8}Okay, you see the character coming, 1407 00:55:07,621 --> 00:55:09,873 {\an8}high-fiving everybody as he goes down the street. 1408 00:55:09,873 --> 00:55:11,541 {\an8}Gets to those two little girls. 1409 00:55:11,541 --> 00:55:13,209 {\an8}And appears to just flat out say no, 1410 00:55:13,209 --> 00:55:14,294 {\an8}and you see the little girls, 1411 00:55:14,294 --> 00:55:16,003 {\an8}and their faces, and they're heartbroken. 1412 00:55:16,629 --> 00:55:17,838 {\an8}MATT: Meet Jodi Brown. 1413 00:55:17,838 --> 00:55:19,173 {\an8}The mother who was victimized 1414 00:55:19,173 --> 00:55:21,676 {\an8}at the hands of Rosita, the Sesame Street character. 1415 00:55:22,259 --> 00:55:25,429 She was reluctant to talk about the traumatic incident, 1416 00:55:25,429 --> 00:55:26,971 but for $50,000, 1417 00:55:26,971 --> 00:55:29,641 she was willing to tell her tragic story. 1418 00:55:29,641 --> 00:55:33,269 Now, you have described this moment as disgusting. 1419 00:55:33,269 --> 00:55:37,106 Because I feel like if you are able to acknowledge 1420 00:55:37,106 --> 00:55:40,318 someone before my children and after my children, 1421 00:55:40,318 --> 00:55:43,446 you could've stopped two seconds just to say hello. 1422 00:55:43,446 --> 00:55:47,282 This was something targeted at your... you and your child. 1423 00:55:47,282 --> 00:55:50,077 It was a very intentional racist act. 1424 00:55:50,077 --> 00:55:53,371 We don't want some explanation that, "Oh, the performer 1425 00:55:53,371 --> 00:55:55,373 "didn't see these two young girls." 1426 00:55:55,373 --> 00:55:56,916 Which one of them is in isolation today 1427 00:55:56,916 --> 00:55:59,001 from the harm that is being caused by this company. 1428 00:55:59,001 --> 00:56:00,461 So we're gonna demand 1429 00:56:00,461 --> 00:56:03,880 that they take care of any type of healthcare 1430 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,882 or mental care expenses 1431 00:56:05,882 --> 00:56:07,342 that these children have realized. 1432 00:56:07,342 --> 00:56:09,260 {\an8}And who is Rosita? Who's in that costume? 1433 00:56:09,260 --> 00:56:10,345 {\an8}Mel Gibson. 1434 00:56:10,345 --> 00:56:12,013 {\an8}I think that person needs to be, 1435 00:56:12,013 --> 00:56:13,598 {\an8}you know, held accountable. 1436 00:56:13,598 --> 00:56:15,475 {\an8}- Fired and held to account. - Absolutely fired. 1437 00:56:15,475 --> 00:56:17,643 {\an8}Well, before you fire 'em, 1438 00:56:17,643 --> 00:56:19,395 {\an8}teach 'em why they're being fired. 1439 00:56:19,395 --> 00:56:20,730 {\an8}- [APPLAUSE] - WOMAN: And then let them go. 1440 00:56:20,730 --> 00:56:22,648 {\an8}And then let them go. 1441 00:56:22,648 --> 00:56:27,027 How do we fix the endemic racism among mascots? 1442 00:56:28,362 --> 00:56:31,823 Mascots, I feel, like, need to be trained better. 1443 00:56:31,823 --> 00:56:34,158 Do you know who the employee is that was 1444 00:56:34,158 --> 00:56:36,119 - in the costume? - No. 1445 00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:38,579 That information was never given to me. 1446 00:56:39,580 --> 00:56:40,998 Uh, do we know if they're white? 1447 00:56:41,540 --> 00:56:44,209 Um, that information was also not given to me. 1448 00:56:46,169 --> 00:56:48,380 [FUNKY MUSIC PLAYING] 1449 00:56:51,758 --> 00:56:54,761 {\an8}Do you think American society is racist? 1450 00:56:54,761 --> 00:56:56,220 {\an8}There is an epidemic of hate 1451 00:56:56,220 --> 00:56:57,639 {\an8}in the United States of America. 1452 00:56:57,639 --> 00:56:58,806 {\an8}Threats of violence. 1453 00:56:58,806 --> 00:57:01,183 {\an8}Threats of death and destruction. 1454 00:57:01,183 --> 00:57:04,561 {\an8}Hate and racism are alive and well in America. 1455 00:57:04,561 --> 00:57:06,563 This is just absolutely crazy. 1456 00:57:06,563 --> 00:57:08,690 {\an8}She was verbally attacked by a group of men. 1457 00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:10,025 {\an8}And I heard 1458 00:57:10,025 --> 00:57:12,193 {\an8}distinctly them saying "Donald Trump." 1459 00:57:12,193 --> 00:57:13,319 {\an8}REPORTER: ...where a hate crime 1460 00:57:13,319 --> 00:57:14,695 {\an8}is being investigated... 1461 00:57:14,695 --> 00:57:16,114 {\an8}...third consecutive year 1462 00:57:16,114 --> 00:57:18,032 {\an8}a noose has been found on campus. 1463 00:57:18,032 --> 00:57:20,576 {\an8}Bitter, brutal hate crimes that are on the rise. 1464 00:57:20,576 --> 00:57:22,369 {\an8}17% increase. 1465 00:57:22,369 --> 00:57:23,495 {\an8}REPORTER 1: 20% increase. 1466 00:57:23,495 --> 00:57:24,830 {\an8}REPORTER 2: 55%. 1467 00:57:24,830 --> 00:57:26,498 {\an8}Hate crimes have surged... 1468 00:57:26,498 --> 00:57:29,126 {\an8}REPORTER 1: More than 7,200 hate crimes. 1469 00:57:29,126 --> 00:57:32,712 A noose was found in Bubba's garage. 1470 00:57:32,712 --> 00:57:34,463 {\an8}It's not about racing. 1471 00:57:34,463 --> 00:57:36,049 It's about race. 1472 00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:37,884 {\an8}The Jussie Smollett hate crime case 1473 00:57:37,884 --> 00:57:39,927 {\an8}shows what appears to be a noose 1474 00:57:39,927 --> 00:57:41,845 {\an8}around the Empire actor's neck. 1475 00:57:41,845 --> 00:57:45,015 You could not get more reprehensible than a noose. 1476 00:57:45,015 --> 00:57:48,310 We have a media that's saying it's a debate whether or not 1477 00:57:48,310 --> 00:57:49,937 what just happened to Jussie Smollett 1478 00:57:49,937 --> 00:57:51,813 is a hate crime. It's absurd. 1479 00:57:51,813 --> 00:57:53,148 {\an8}I've been truthful and consistent 1480 00:57:53,148 --> 00:57:55,024 {\an8}on every single level since day one. 1481 00:57:55,024 --> 00:57:57,735 {\an8}Right now, there is a domestic terrorism prevention bill 1482 00:57:57,735 --> 00:57:58,903 {\an8}moving through the house. 1483 00:57:58,903 --> 00:58:01,906 {\an8}The COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act. {\an8}The COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act. 1484 00:58:01,906 --> 00:58:02,990 {\an8}Thank you. 1485 00:58:02,990 --> 00:58:05,326 {\an8}The hate crimes task force is investigating... 1486 00:58:05,326 --> 00:58:06,660 {\an8}- REPORTER: Hate crimes. - Hate crimes. 1487 00:58:06,660 --> 00:58:07,828 {\an8}- Hate crime. - Hate crime. 1488 00:58:07,828 --> 00:58:09,538 {\an8}- REPORTER: Hate crime. - [LAUGHING] 1489 00:58:13,249 --> 00:58:14,625 [SIGHS SOFTLY] 1490 00:58:15,835 --> 00:58:17,212 Hate crimes. 1491 00:58:20,214 --> 00:58:21,256 Thoughts? 1492 00:58:22,091 --> 00:58:25,135 {\an8}I think that hate crimes are bad. 1493 00:58:25,135 --> 00:58:27,721 {\an8}Hate in general, uh, is not good. 1494 00:58:27,721 --> 00:58:29,223 But they're everywhere now. 1495 00:58:29,223 --> 00:58:30,307 - No. - It's an epidemic. 1496 00:58:30,307 --> 00:58:32,016 No, it's... it's not. 1497 00:58:32,851 --> 00:58:33,893 Well, out of, what, 1498 00:58:33,893 --> 00:58:37,021 20 million index crimes a year, 1499 00:58:37,021 --> 00:58:39,398 there are 6,000, 7,000 hate crimes. 1500 00:58:39,398 --> 00:58:41,025 No, there's no epidemic. 1501 00:58:41,025 --> 00:58:42,276 This is one of those things 1502 00:58:42,276 --> 00:58:44,152 where there's a huge disconnect 1503 00:58:44,152 --> 00:58:45,738 between media presentation, 1504 00:58:45,738 --> 00:58:48,281 and this really is something I research professionally. 1505 00:58:48,281 --> 00:58:49,825 And one of the reasons that you're probably 1506 00:58:49,825 --> 00:58:52,827 talking to me also is I wrote the book, Hate Crime Hoax, 1507 00:58:52,827 --> 00:58:55,580 and I mean, I noted that over a period of maybe... 1508 00:58:55,580 --> 00:58:56,873 You wrote the book called what? 1509 00:58:56,873 --> 00:58:58,833 Uh, Hate Crime Hoax. 1510 00:58:58,833 --> 00:59:00,793 I pointed out that a lot of these incidents, 1511 00:59:00,793 --> 00:59:02,128 Jussie Smollett, uh, 1512 00:59:02,128 --> 00:59:04,630 Covington Catholic, Yasmin Seweid, 1513 00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:06,673 Duke lacrosse, Bubba Wallace... 1514 00:59:06,673 --> 00:59:07,758 Terrible story. 1515 00:59:07,758 --> 00:59:09,635 Uh, but they didn't happen. That's the thing. 1516 00:59:09,635 --> 00:59:11,637 None of those stories that I'm mentioning happened. 1517 00:59:11,637 --> 00:59:13,221 I mean, you can just go on and on with this. 1518 00:59:13,221 --> 00:59:15,598 Uh, Kansas State, the horrible racial epithets 1519 00:59:15,598 --> 00:59:17,392 written on upscale vehicles... 1520 00:59:17,392 --> 00:59:19,310 Okay. Let... Let's... 1521 00:59:19,310 --> 00:59:20,895 Let's slow down here for a moment. 1522 00:59:22,187 --> 00:59:24,732 So you wrote the book, Hate Crime Hoax? 1523 00:59:24,732 --> 00:59:25,816 Yes. 1524 00:59:25,816 --> 00:59:27,734 We're missing a word in our notes on that. 1525 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:29,361 Uh... 1526 00:59:29,361 --> 00:59:30,987 That's an issue from the producer there 1527 00:59:30,987 --> 00:59:32,113 if it just says "Hate Crimes," 1528 00:59:32,113 --> 00:59:34,324 or "Hate Crime Epidemic," or something like that. 1529 00:59:34,324 --> 00:59:35,409 Yeah. 1530 00:59:36,325 --> 00:59:38,577 Uh, and you say that you're Black? 1531 00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:40,830 Yes. 1532 00:59:40,830 --> 00:59:43,916 Don't the statistics 1533 00:59:45,251 --> 00:59:48,378 show that anti-Black hate crimes 1534 00:59:49,129 --> 00:59:50,964 are a huge problem? 1535 00:59:50,964 --> 00:59:52,841 If you break down the statistics. 1536 00:59:52,841 --> 00:59:54,426 Well, I think that depends on your definition 1537 00:59:54,426 --> 00:59:56,469 of a huge problem. I mean, so the... 1538 00:59:56,469 --> 00:59:57,804 One of the biggest problems. 1539 00:59:57,804 --> 01:00:00,139 No. The statistics absolutely do not show that. 1540 01:00:00,139 --> 01:00:01,432 What are the statistics? 1541 01:00:01,432 --> 01:00:03,976 If you go into the FBI numbers annually, 1542 01:00:03,976 --> 01:00:06,478 there are maybe 7,000 1543 01:00:06,478 --> 01:00:09,606 actual reported, documented hate crimes 1544 01:00:09,606 --> 01:00:11,066 - in a typical... - In a day? 1545 01:00:11,066 --> 01:00:13,234 No, in a typical year. 1546 01:00:13,234 --> 01:00:16,487 But the total number of crimes in the United States, 1547 01:00:16,487 --> 01:00:19,907 more than 2 million committed by African Americans. 1548 01:00:19,907 --> 01:00:22,410 Almost a million committed against African Americans. 1549 01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:23,494 This is just violent crimes. 1550 01:00:23,494 --> 01:00:25,079 And it's just the case 1551 01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:27,581 that there are way more crimes than there are hate crimes. 1552 01:00:27,581 --> 01:00:31,210 No one thinks that direct racial conflict 1553 01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:33,044 is one of the biggest problems in the country 1554 01:00:33,044 --> 01:00:35,547 unless they've been told by the media that it is. 1555 01:00:35,547 --> 01:00:38,091 Uh, why are we talking about statistics? 1556 01:00:38,091 --> 01:00:39,759 This is not a matter of statistics. 1557 01:00:39,759 --> 01:00:41,719 Well, you asked me about the statistics. 1558 01:00:43,762 --> 01:00:45,348 Every week practically, 1559 01:00:46,056 --> 01:00:47,975 we hear another story about 1560 01:00:48,851 --> 01:00:50,060 someone reporting a hate crime. 1561 01:00:50,060 --> 01:00:52,020 Let's say, they find a noose. 1562 01:00:52,020 --> 01:00:56,024 Uh, they found a racist note on a receipt. 1563 01:00:56,024 --> 01:00:57,609 So, saying there's a hate crime every week 1564 01:00:57,609 --> 01:00:59,193 is absolutely meaningless. 1565 01:00:59,193 --> 01:01:00,903 If you really wanted to solve crime, 1566 01:01:00,903 --> 01:01:02,947 you'd talk about Black-on-Black crime, 1567 01:01:02,947 --> 01:01:05,241 you'd talk about addiction in poor white communities. 1568 01:01:05,241 --> 01:01:07,576 You'd talk about almost anything 1569 01:01:07,576 --> 01:01:10,704 but what the major media seems intent on focusing on. 1570 01:01:10,704 --> 01:01:12,914 Most of those stories turn out to be complete fakes. 1571 01:01:12,914 --> 01:01:14,833 It seems like the real conversation to have 1572 01:01:14,833 --> 01:01:16,626 would be about something like hysteria 1573 01:01:16,626 --> 01:01:19,545 and neuroticism among Americans. 1574 01:01:19,545 --> 01:01:23,007 It becomes an opportunity for a conversation 1575 01:01:23,007 --> 01:01:24,425 about race in America. 1576 01:01:24,425 --> 01:01:25,718 And we can always use more of that. 1577 01:01:25,718 --> 01:01:27,637 I absolutely disagree... 1578 01:01:27,637 --> 01:01:28,763 With what part? 1579 01:01:28,763 --> 01:01:30,680 That we can... I disagree with all of that. 1580 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,267 Have you heard yet that I'm a certified DEI expert? 1581 01:01:35,101 --> 01:01:36,353 Here's my certification. 1582 01:01:37,604 --> 01:01:38,938 "DiversityInclusion Training.com. 1583 01:01:38,938 --> 01:01:40,606 "Making compliance fast, easy, and painless." 1584 01:01:40,606 --> 01:01:41,858 You don't need to read that much. 1585 01:01:41,858 --> 01:01:44,027 - Just... Yeah, give it back. - I... I don't know... 1586 01:01:44,027 --> 01:01:45,944 - something... - That's not the point. 1587 01:01:45,944 --> 01:01:48,989 The demand for racism in society right now 1588 01:01:48,989 --> 01:01:51,116 greatly outweighs the supply. 1589 01:01:51,116 --> 01:01:54,702 We've attached a sort of value to being a victim. 1590 01:01:54,702 --> 01:01:56,246 People report these crimes 1591 01:01:56,246 --> 01:01:59,332 because they know the response will be immediate. 1592 01:01:59,332 --> 01:02:02,502 It will be sensationalistic. It will be very supportive. 1593 01:02:02,502 --> 01:02:04,921 Why would Jussie Smollett say what he did? 1594 01:02:04,921 --> 01:02:06,297 The entire thing was complete nonsense, 1595 01:02:06,297 --> 01:02:07,381 and I think most serious people 1596 01:02:07,381 --> 01:02:08,465 knew this from the beginning. 1597 01:02:08,465 --> 01:02:11,552 If it was such an obvious hoax, then why... 1598 01:02:11,552 --> 01:02:12,928 why didn't we hear it from the media? 1599 01:02:12,928 --> 01:02:16,139 From, uh, Kamala Harris, all the late night talk shows. 1600 01:02:16,139 --> 01:02:19,267 The question is not, why would they ever 1601 01:02:19,267 --> 01:02:20,851 say something that's not true? 1602 01:02:20,851 --> 01:02:23,271 It's, sort of, why do we believe? 1603 01:02:23,271 --> 01:02:24,855 Because this had a major national impact. 1604 01:02:24,855 --> 01:02:26,566 This itself impacted race relations 1605 01:02:26,566 --> 01:02:27,817 by a couple of points. 1606 01:02:29,068 --> 01:02:31,070 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYING] [TENSE MUSIC PLAYING] 1607 01:02:34,739 --> 01:02:36,700 {\an8}MATT: Despite what the statistics say, 1608 01:02:36,700 --> 01:02:39,619 this country isn't safe for people of color. 1609 01:02:39,619 --> 01:02:41,996 I've heard it over and over. 1610 01:02:42,496 --> 01:02:44,248 If only I could walk in their shoes, 1611 01:02:44,248 --> 01:02:46,250 then I'd really know what they go through. 1612 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:48,961 Looks cold out there. 1613 01:02:48,961 --> 01:02:50,421 WOMAN ON TV: It's two o'clock in the morning. 1614 01:02:50,421 --> 01:02:51,589 MATT: Man, I'm hungry. 1615 01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:52,923 WOMAN: You're going to Subway. 1616 01:02:52,923 --> 01:02:54,674 MATT: Where can I get food at this hour? 1617 01:02:54,674 --> 01:02:56,093 SMOLLETT ON TV: Subway is open 24 hours. 1618 01:02:56,093 --> 01:02:58,053 Like, people kill me when they say things like that. 1619 01:02:58,053 --> 01:03:01,055 {\an8}Because it's like, Subway is open 24 hours for a reason. 1620 01:03:01,055 --> 01:03:02,474 {\an8}So that when you hungry at night 1621 01:03:02,474 --> 01:03:04,684 {\an8}and you ain't got no food, you go to Subway. 1622 01:03:04,684 --> 01:03:06,853 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING] 1623 01:03:15,611 --> 01:03:17,403 WOMAN: What happened that night, Jussie? 1624 01:03:17,403 --> 01:03:20,615 {\an8}I went to the Subway and got the order. 1625 01:03:26,871 --> 01:03:30,374 {\an8}You have to understand also that it's Chicago. In winter. 1626 01:03:30,374 --> 01:03:32,459 [SIRENS WAILING DISTANTLY] 1627 01:03:39,508 --> 01:03:41,509 [MUSIC TURNS TENSE] 1628 01:03:55,898 --> 01:04:00,193 {\an8}I, uh, heard as I was crossing the intersection, 1629 01:04:00,193 --> 01:04:01,278 {\an8}I heard, "Empire." 1630 01:04:01,278 --> 01:04:02,987 MAN: Daily Wire. 1631 01:04:05,532 --> 01:04:07,867 {\an8}And I don't answer to "Empire." [CHUCKLES] 1632 01:04:07,867 --> 01:04:10,286 {\an8}My name ain't Empire. Uh... 1633 01:04:10,911 --> 01:04:11,912 And I didn't answer. 1634 01:04:11,912 --> 01:04:13,372 I kept walking, and then I heard, 1635 01:04:13,372 --> 01:04:15,206 {\an8}"[BLEEP] Empire... [BLEEP]" 1636 01:04:15,206 --> 01:04:17,042 So I turned around, and I said... 1637 01:04:17,042 --> 01:04:18,459 "The [BLEEP] did you just say to me? 1638 01:04:18,459 --> 01:04:19,711 {\an8}And I see... 1639 01:04:21,087 --> 01:04:22,838 {\an8}the uh, attacker. 1640 01:04:22,838 --> 01:04:24,215 {\an8}Uh, masked. 1641 01:04:27,051 --> 01:04:29,136 {\an8}...that I had said that they were wearing 1642 01:04:29,136 --> 01:04:30,638 {\an8}MAGA hats, I never said that. {\an8}MAGA hats, I never said that. 1643 01:04:33,390 --> 01:04:35,642 {\an8}And... he said, 1644 01:04:35,642 --> 01:04:37,811 -" This MAGA country, [BLEEP]." - This MAGA country, [BLEEP]. 1645 01:04:37,811 --> 01:04:39,396 {\an8}Punches me right in the face. 1646 01:04:40,063 --> 01:04:41,147 [GROANS] 1647 01:04:41,147 --> 01:04:42,607 {\an8}So I punched his ass back. 1648 01:04:43,024 --> 01:04:44,567 - [SOFT PUNCH] - Hmm? 1649 01:04:44,567 --> 01:04:46,860 {\an8}And then, um, we started tussling, 1650 01:04:46,860 --> 01:04:47,987 {\an8}you know, it was very icy. 1651 01:04:50,156 --> 01:04:52,450 {\an8}Fighting, fighting, fighting. There was a second person 1652 01:04:52,450 --> 01:04:54,702 {\an8}involved, who was kicking me in my back. 1653 01:04:54,702 --> 01:04:56,995 - [GRUNTING] - [DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING] 1654 01:05:00,332 --> 01:05:02,250 {\an8}And then I... I smelled bleach. 1655 01:05:02,250 --> 01:05:03,501 {\an8}I know the smell of bleach. 1656 01:05:03,501 --> 01:05:05,795 MAN: Hit him with the bleach! Hit him with the bleach! 1657 01:05:07,004 --> 01:05:08,798 {\an8}Then it just stopped. 1658 01:05:08,798 --> 01:05:09,966 {\an8}And... 1659 01:05:11,258 --> 01:05:12,676 {\an8}they ran off. 1660 01:05:12,676 --> 01:05:14,386 [DRAMATIC CHORD PLAYS] 1661 01:05:17,180 --> 01:05:18,599 {\an8}And I... Then I looked down, and I see 1662 01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:19,975 {\an8}that there's a rope around my neck. 1663 01:05:22,602 --> 01:05:23,937 {\an8}You hadn't noticed it before... 1664 01:05:23,937 --> 01:05:25,188 {\an8}No. 'Cause it was so fast. 1665 01:05:25,188 --> 01:05:26,939 {\an8}I noticed the rope around my neck, 1666 01:05:26,939 --> 01:05:28,649 {\an8}and I started screaming. 1667 01:05:28,649 --> 01:05:31,068 And I said, "There's a [BLEEP] rope around my neck. 1668 01:05:32,862 --> 01:05:34,864 {\an8}If the attackers are never found, 1669 01:05:34,864 --> 01:05:37,449 {\an8}how will you be able to heal? 1670 01:05:37,449 --> 01:05:39,534 {\an8}[TENSE MUSIC BUILDS] 1671 01:05:42,621 --> 01:05:43,622 {\an8}Um... 1672 01:05:44,538 --> 01:05:45,539 {\an8}I don't know. 1673 01:05:45,539 --> 01:05:47,959 {\an8}Let's just hope that they are. [BREATH TREMBLES] 1674 01:05:47,959 --> 01:05:49,085 {\an8}You know what I'm saying? 1675 01:05:49,085 --> 01:05:51,086 {\an8}Like, let's... let's not go there yet. 1676 01:05:53,088 --> 01:05:54,757 [GROANS] 1677 01:05:54,757 --> 01:05:56,634 [SIRENS WAILING DISTANTLY] 1678 01:05:56,634 --> 01:05:57,718 [GROANS] 1679 01:05:58,385 --> 01:05:59,386 MATT: On second thought, 1680 01:05:59,386 --> 01:06:00,928 I don't really feel like Subway. 1681 01:06:06,643 --> 01:06:07,644 Hi, Robin. 1682 01:06:08,185 --> 01:06:09,603 [SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYS] 1683 01:06:09,603 --> 01:06:11,022 Robin DiAngelo. 1684 01:06:12,148 --> 01:06:13,399 It's an honor. 1685 01:06:13,399 --> 01:06:14,816 It's an honor to meet you. 1686 01:06:14,816 --> 01:06:16,485 It... [SIGHS] Damn it. 1687 01:06:16,485 --> 01:06:18,945 It's nice to meet you, Robin DiAngelo. 1688 01:06:18,945 --> 01:06:20,071 Dr. Robin DiAngelo. 1689 01:06:20,071 --> 01:06:23,408 Is there a, uh, Mr. DiAngelo? 1690 01:06:23,408 --> 01:06:24,492 Asking for a friend. 1691 01:06:24,492 --> 01:06:25,951 Someone of your esteemed... 1692 01:06:25,951 --> 01:06:27,036 Stupid. 1693 01:06:27,036 --> 01:06:29,330 Robin. Would you sign my book? 1694 01:06:29,330 --> 01:06:31,541 Your book. Would you sign my book I have of yours? 1695 01:06:31,541 --> 01:06:33,626 I'm pleading with you to sign my... 1696 01:06:33,626 --> 01:06:34,835 Please, would you sign my book? 1697 01:06:35,502 --> 01:06:37,421 "To your friend, uh, Matt." 1698 01:06:37,421 --> 01:06:39,089 [SIGHS] Okay. 1699 01:06:39,089 --> 01:06:40,215 This is it. 1700 01:06:40,215 --> 01:06:41,466 Don't screw this up. 1701 01:06:41,466 --> 01:06:42,634 Don't mess this up. 1702 01:06:42,634 --> 01:06:44,052 [EXHALES DEEPLY] 1703 01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:45,887 Let's do the work. 1704 01:06:49,515 --> 01:06:51,517 {\an8}[INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYS] 1705 01:06:52,643 --> 01:06:53,644 {\an8}[CASH REGISTER DINGS] 1706 01:06:54,687 --> 01:06:55,854 - Hi, Robin. - DIANGELO: Hi. 1707 01:06:57,105 --> 01:06:58,315 And what's your name? [CHUCKLES] 1708 01:06:58,315 --> 01:06:59,900 - I'm Matt. - Matt. Hi, Matt. [CHUCKLES] 1709 01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:01,109 Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. 1710 01:07:01,859 --> 01:07:03,986 I just had to ask who you are because 1711 01:07:03,986 --> 01:07:06,656 you have to be careful. [CHUCKLES] 1712 01:07:06,656 --> 01:07:08,533 You can never be too careful. 1713 01:07:09,366 --> 01:07:11,660 Let's... Let's start with the book. 1714 01:07:11,660 --> 01:07:14,246 One of the most important books of the past century, 1715 01:07:14,246 --> 01:07:16,957 I would say, for my money, White Fragility. 1716 01:07:16,957 --> 01:07:18,375 Uh, you've been in this field for a long time. 1717 01:07:18,375 --> 01:07:19,460 You've done a lot. 1718 01:07:19,460 --> 01:07:22,087 What sort of organizations have you, uh, worked with? 1719 01:07:22,087 --> 01:07:23,713 Do you want me to name? 1720 01:07:23,713 --> 01:07:25,048 Oh, sure. I mean... 1721 01:07:25,673 --> 01:07:26,841 Should I name it? I... 1722 01:07:26,841 --> 01:07:28,926 Okay. Well, but I don't want to be held responsible 1723 01:07:28,926 --> 01:07:30,845 for what they do. [LAUGHS] for what they do. [LAUGHS] 1724 01:07:30,845 --> 01:07:31,929 Netflix. 1725 01:07:32,638 --> 01:07:35,640 Google. Amazon. Snapchat. 1726 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:36,976 And what do you do for them? 1727 01:07:36,976 --> 01:07:39,686 Sometimes it's a workshop, or it's interactive. 1728 01:07:39,686 --> 01:07:42,981 Maybe it would take place over several hours or a day. 1729 01:07:42,981 --> 01:07:45,233 Let's start with some definitions. 1730 01:07:45,233 --> 01:07:49,862 And probably the biggest one to define is racism. 1731 01:07:49,862 --> 01:07:51,447 Well, if you're talking about a white person, 1732 01:07:51,447 --> 01:07:52,865 and you say this person is racist, 1733 01:07:52,865 --> 01:07:54,992 you're basically, to me, saying this person 1734 01:07:54,992 --> 01:07:56,952 is a product of their society. [CHUCKLES] 1735 01:07:56,952 --> 01:07:58,203 Is it possible for a white person 1736 01:07:58,203 --> 01:08:00,247 to be not racist? to be not racist? 1737 01:08:00,247 --> 01:08:04,042 I think, in a given moment, we can be more or less racist. 1738 01:08:04,042 --> 01:08:05,418 We're... And so I think of it 1739 01:08:05,418 --> 01:08:08,004 more as a continuum than an either-or. 1740 01:08:08,004 --> 01:08:10,381 Is there any way to get rid of, uh, white privilege? 1741 01:08:10,381 --> 01:08:12,008 If an individual says, 1742 01:08:12,008 --> 01:08:15,219 "I don't want to have this privilege, it feels unfair." 1743 01:08:15,219 --> 01:08:16,637 Is there any way for a man to say, 1744 01:08:16,637 --> 01:08:18,805 "I don't want this privilege"? I mean, we live in patriarchy. 1745 01:08:18,805 --> 01:08:20,932 And you can't just opt out. 1746 01:08:20,932 --> 01:08:22,809 You can do your best to challenge it. 1747 01:08:22,809 --> 01:08:24,936 That, in a way, is opting out. 1748 01:08:24,936 --> 01:08:26,021 That confuses me too, 1749 01:08:26,021 --> 01:08:27,730 because I don't want to mansplain 1750 01:08:28,606 --> 01:08:30,316 - or whitesplain... - Yeah. Well, okay.. 1751 01:08:30,316 --> 01:08:32,527 What is... Maybe that's important. 1752 01:08:32,527 --> 01:08:34,904 - Yeah. - Segue. What is "mansplain"? 1753 01:08:34,904 --> 01:08:37,531 Well, it would be you explaining to me 1754 01:08:37,531 --> 01:08:41,326 either why what you just did wasn't sexism? 1755 01:08:41,326 --> 01:08:42,577 Or explaining... 1756 01:08:42,577 --> 01:08:43,703 I don't think that's what it is. 1757 01:08:43,703 --> 01:08:46,915 I think "mansplain" is to make an assumption. 1758 01:08:48,082 --> 01:08:49,834 To say something in an assuming way. 1759 01:08:50,877 --> 01:08:53,879 You talked about the problem of, uh... 1760 01:08:53,879 --> 01:08:55,423 of over-smiling... 1761 01:08:55,423 --> 01:08:57,215 - [CHUCKLES] - ...which 1762 01:08:57,215 --> 01:08:59,092 really resonated with me. 1763 01:08:59,092 --> 01:09:01,344 Sometimes smiling at a Black person 1764 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,806 can... can be racist. 1765 01:09:04,806 --> 01:09:08,017 It's a reminder. You know, those thousand daily cuts. 1766 01:09:08,017 --> 01:09:10,770 It's a reminder of your position 1767 01:09:10,770 --> 01:09:12,396 in relation to that other person, right? 1768 01:09:12,396 --> 01:09:14,731 Because that person likely knows 1769 01:09:14,731 --> 01:09:16,400 why I'm smiling at them. 1770 01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,152 [CHUCKLES] When I go to the grocery store, 1771 01:09:18,152 --> 01:09:19,903 I don't really look at anybody, 1772 01:09:19,903 --> 01:09:22,781 I just do my thing, but I see a Black person, 1773 01:09:22,781 --> 01:09:25,366 I... I feel almost an uncontrollable 1774 01:09:25,366 --> 01:09:27,493 sense of urgency to signal to them 1775 01:09:27,493 --> 01:09:30,330 that I'm okay, and that I'm not racist, that I'm okay, and that I'm not racist, 1776 01:09:30,330 --> 01:09:31,997 and that they're welcome. 1777 01:09:31,997 --> 01:09:34,333 Is it the right strategy to be... 1778 01:09:34,333 --> 01:09:35,668 for a white person to say, 1779 01:09:35,668 --> 01:09:38,420 "Well, hey, I'm just going to operate 1780 01:09:39,379 --> 01:09:41,340 "in this situation as a normal person. 1781 01:09:41,340 --> 01:09:42,591 "I'm not gonna think about race. 1782 01:09:42,591 --> 01:09:44,301 "I'm not gonna notice." Just see people 1783 01:09:44,301 --> 01:09:45,635 as human beings. Is that the way it works? 1784 01:09:45,635 --> 01:09:48,346 Yeah, no. First of all, you do see them as a Black person. 1785 01:09:48,346 --> 01:09:50,139 You do. I mean, I'm not gonna pretend 1786 01:09:50,139 --> 01:09:51,599 I don't notice that there's a Black person 1787 01:09:51,599 --> 01:09:54,518 - in the grocery store. - So we want to notice race, 1788 01:09:54,518 --> 01:09:56,144 but not... not too much. 1789 01:09:56,144 --> 01:09:57,313 We want to be honest that we do. 1790 01:09:57,313 --> 01:09:58,397 We do notice race. 1791 01:09:58,397 --> 01:10:00,733 We don't notice it. Don't focus on it. 1792 01:10:00,733 --> 01:10:02,818 - Yeah. Okay. - But think about it. 1793 01:10:02,818 --> 01:10:03,902 But... 1794 01:10:04,611 --> 01:10:06,363 I mean, you notice it. 1795 01:10:07,447 --> 01:10:08,865 Focus on it a little bit, but not too much. 1796 01:10:08,865 --> 01:10:11,784 Yeah. You know, there's a... It's a balance, right? 1797 01:10:11,784 --> 01:10:13,535 'Cause I hear "forget that I'm Black. 1798 01:10:13,535 --> 01:10:14,829 "Don't forget that I'm Black. 1799 01:10:14,829 --> 01:10:16,705 "Notice. Don't notice. 1800 01:10:16,705 --> 01:10:18,124 "Don't deny that you're racist. 1801 01:10:18,124 --> 01:10:20,166 "But also try not to be racist. 1802 01:10:20,166 --> 01:10:22,335 "But don't... But also don't realize that you..." 1803 01:10:22,335 --> 01:10:24,838 - [CHUCKLES] - It makes me... 1804 01:10:24,838 --> 01:10:27,423 - Yeah. - It makes me, uh... 1805 01:10:27,423 --> 01:10:28,508 I'm sorry. I... 1806 01:10:28,508 --> 01:10:30,468 - It's okay. - It just... 1807 01:10:30,468 --> 01:10:33,429 - It makes me feel overwhelmed. - Yeah. Yeah. 1808 01:10:33,429 --> 01:10:34,514 [SNIFFLES] 1809 01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:39,434 Just take your time. 1810 01:10:40,519 --> 01:10:42,229 I know you work on this in your seminars. 1811 01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:47,233 People, uh, workshopping actual real-life scenarios. 1812 01:10:48,067 --> 01:10:51,570 So would you mind, kind of a role play where... 1813 01:10:51,570 --> 01:10:53,156 - Okay. - ...I will, in this scenario, 1814 01:10:53,156 --> 01:10:56,534 be the person of color who's bringing concern to you, 1815 01:10:56,534 --> 01:10:59,662 and then you'll show how to navigate that? 1816 01:10:59,662 --> 01:11:01,038 Sure. Sure. 1817 01:11:01,038 --> 01:11:03,665 Okay. So, workplace scenario. 1818 01:11:05,208 --> 01:11:06,959 - Hi, Robin. - Hi. 1819 01:11:06,959 --> 01:11:09,379 I noticed, uh, you passed by me in the hall 1820 01:11:09,379 --> 01:11:10,505 earlier today 1821 01:11:11,005 --> 01:11:14,634 and you were really overdoing the smile, 1822 01:11:14,634 --> 01:11:16,886 and it made me feel, um, 1823 01:11:17,929 --> 01:11:19,846 patronized and it felt racist. 1824 01:11:20,639 --> 01:11:21,932 And... 1825 01:11:22,933 --> 01:11:25,060 I'm thinking about going to HR about it. 1826 01:11:26,561 --> 01:11:28,104 Well, I appreciate you letting me know, 1827 01:11:28,104 --> 01:11:31,107 and I imagine that's not without its risks. 1828 01:11:31,107 --> 01:11:32,858 I certainly would not have intended 1829 01:11:32,858 --> 01:11:34,944 to have that impact on you, but I'm very clear 1830 01:11:34,944 --> 01:11:36,862 that I did have that impact on you. 1831 01:11:36,862 --> 01:11:39,281 I would love to offer you a repair, 1832 01:11:39,281 --> 01:11:41,575 if... if that's something you're ready for. 1833 01:11:41,575 --> 01:11:42,659 I don't want to talk about it right now. 1834 01:11:42,659 --> 01:11:44,369 - Okay. - Because I'm too... I'm hurt. 1835 01:11:44,369 --> 01:11:46,288 Okay. Understood. 1836 01:11:46,288 --> 01:11:48,081 Um, if that changes, let me know. 1837 01:11:48,081 --> 01:11:49,248 When I'm ready to talk, I'll talk to you. 1838 01:11:49,248 --> 01:11:50,959 Yeah. Understood. 1839 01:11:53,252 --> 01:11:54,837 What I would like to do, could we... 1840 01:11:54,837 --> 01:11:56,589 Let's fast-forward to another day. 1841 01:11:57,756 --> 01:11:59,550 - Next day. - Okay. 1842 01:11:59,550 --> 01:12:00,843 Hi, Robin. 1843 01:12:01,469 --> 01:12:03,636 Passed by in the hall again and... 1844 01:12:04,805 --> 01:12:07,807 this time, you didn't even smile at all at me... 1845 01:12:07,807 --> 01:12:09,809 - Okay. - ...and it made me feel 1846 01:12:09,809 --> 01:12:14,396 otherized, excluded, marginalized, um... 1847 01:12:16,023 --> 01:12:17,108 vaporized... 1848 01:12:18,817 --> 01:12:20,319 Now I'm really thinking about going to HR. 1849 01:12:20,319 --> 01:12:21,903 - I don't feel comfortable... - Yeah. 1850 01:12:21,903 --> 01:12:23,655 ...with you in this workplace with me. 1851 01:12:23,655 --> 01:12:25,156 Okay. And yesterday, 1852 01:12:25,156 --> 01:12:26,992 we had the over-smiling incident. 1853 01:12:26,992 --> 01:12:28,159 - Yeah. Now it's under. - Okay. 1854 01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:29,995 It's under-smiling. 1855 01:12:31,037 --> 01:12:32,830 I would say, um, 1856 01:12:33,748 --> 01:12:36,626 "I'm a little bit... I'm a little bit, um, 1857 01:12:36,626 --> 01:12:38,377 "confused about how best to proceed. 1858 01:12:38,377 --> 01:12:41,463 "I can't deny that I am, um... 1859 01:12:41,463 --> 01:12:43,048 "Would you be willing to give me some guidance..." 1860 01:12:43,048 --> 01:12:44,633 I don't think it's up to me 1861 01:12:44,633 --> 01:12:46,593 - to educate you. - Understood. 1862 01:12:46,593 --> 01:12:50,471 Is there anyone you trust, uh, that I can talk to? 1863 01:12:50,471 --> 01:12:53,391 Maybe another white person whose understanding... 1864 01:12:53,391 --> 01:12:54,475 At this point, I think 1865 01:12:54,475 --> 01:12:55,935 we should take separate hallways. 1866 01:12:55,935 --> 01:12:57,061 Okay. 1867 01:12:57,895 --> 01:12:59,480 - So... - Understood. 1868 01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:04,067 That was a very nuanced, uh, situation. 1869 01:13:04,067 --> 01:13:06,361 Yeah, uh, I did my best. [LAUGHS] 1870 01:13:06,361 --> 01:13:08,113 Probably what I would do in that situation. 1871 01:13:08,113 --> 01:13:10,282 The very last thing that I want to do, 1872 01:13:10,282 --> 01:13:13,410 and, uh, it doesn't even feel right to me 1873 01:13:13,410 --> 01:13:14,911 to end this conversation, 1874 01:13:14,911 --> 01:13:17,121 uh, especially when there are people of color 1875 01:13:17,121 --> 01:13:18,289 - in the room. - Okay. 1876 01:13:18,747 --> 01:13:20,832 Ben, if you're willing 1877 01:13:20,832 --> 01:13:23,710 to come and sit with us for just a moment. 1878 01:13:23,710 --> 01:13:25,253 - BEN: Sure. - Um... 1879 01:13:25,253 --> 01:13:26,337 So is Ben... 1880 01:13:27,338 --> 01:13:29,883 Yeah. This is Ben, uh, producer on the film. 1881 01:13:31,092 --> 01:13:33,386 And, um... 1882 01:13:33,386 --> 01:13:36,096 I thought it would be a powerful opportunity to 1883 01:13:36,889 --> 01:13:40,184 speak directly to a person of color and 1884 01:13:40,184 --> 01:13:44,354 confront our racism and also apologize for 1885 01:13:44,354 --> 01:13:47,691 the white supremacist systems that oppress Ben, 1886 01:13:47,691 --> 01:13:49,693 so do you want to go first? 1887 01:13:51,277 --> 01:13:54,655 Well, on behalf of myself and my fellow white people, 1888 01:13:54,655 --> 01:13:56,115 I apologize. 1889 01:13:56,115 --> 01:13:59,327 Uh, it is not you, it is us. 1890 01:13:59,327 --> 01:14:02,204 As long as I'm standing, I will do my best 1891 01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,749 to challenge it. 1892 01:14:07,167 --> 01:14:10,045 I want to pay you reparations right now. 1893 01:14:10,045 --> 01:14:12,129 Um, will you accept? 1894 01:14:13,423 --> 01:14:15,174 I... I won't turn it down. 1895 01:14:15,174 --> 01:14:16,676 Okay. I don't know... 1896 01:14:18,385 --> 01:14:19,595 um... 1897 01:14:20,262 --> 01:14:22,264 is 20... well... 1898 01:14:22,931 --> 01:14:24,641 This is all I have. Um... 1899 01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:26,142 I, uh... 1900 01:14:27,185 --> 01:14:28,353 - I know that's not... - Um... 1901 01:14:28,353 --> 01:14:29,562 MATT: That's not gonna... 1902 01:14:31,106 --> 01:14:33,774 That doesn't make up for 400 years of oppression, 1903 01:14:33,774 --> 01:14:37,362 but, um, it's all that I have to give. 1904 01:14:38,738 --> 01:14:39,739 Um... 1905 01:14:41,741 --> 01:14:44,159 I... I don't know if it's ever enough. 1906 01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:46,661 Uh, but what I can say is I appreciate the fact 1907 01:14:46,661 --> 01:14:48,037 that you're putting in the work. 1908 01:14:48,663 --> 01:14:51,207 Um, you know, I... I think you're right. 1909 01:14:51,207 --> 01:14:52,792 I don't think... I don't think it'll ever end. 1910 01:14:53,334 --> 01:14:56,170 But, uh, there is... 1911 01:14:56,170 --> 01:14:58,881 there is small progress I think we made today. 1912 01:15:00,174 --> 01:15:01,217 MATT: Um... 1913 01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,636 Did you... Did you want to... 1914 01:15:03,636 --> 01:15:05,428 - That... [CHUCKLES] - ...pay any, uh... 1915 01:15:05,428 --> 01:15:07,014 That was really weird. [LAUGHS NERVOUSLY] 1916 01:15:07,014 --> 01:15:08,640 Why was it weird? 1917 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,143 Uh... Uh, 'cause it seemed really weird to me. 1918 01:15:12,185 --> 01:15:13,186 Why? 1919 01:15:13,186 --> 01:15:14,896 Um, because you just took out your wallet, 1920 01:15:14,896 --> 01:15:16,313 and I don't know, it... 1921 01:15:16,313 --> 01:15:18,775 'Cause I think reparations is like a... 1922 01:15:19,275 --> 01:15:21,860 a systemic, um... 1923 01:15:23,779 --> 01:15:27,408 dynamic and approach and so, I mean, I think that 1924 01:15:28,283 --> 01:15:31,411 there may be some people who would be offended by, uh... 1925 01:15:31,411 --> 01:15:33,246 Clearly, you were not offended by that. 1926 01:15:33,246 --> 01:15:35,123 I... I won't turn down cash. 1927 01:15:35,123 --> 01:15:36,666 - Um... [CHUCKLES] - ROBIN: Hmm. 1928 01:15:38,293 --> 01:15:39,794 I think, are we gonna... 1929 01:15:41,295 --> 01:15:44,131 Are we gonna allow ourselves to be uncomfortable and... 1930 01:15:44,131 --> 01:15:46,008 and just do what we can personally, 1931 01:15:46,008 --> 01:15:48,260 or we gonna sit around, 1932 01:15:49,178 --> 01:15:50,845 waiting for the system to catch up? 1933 01:15:52,889 --> 01:15:54,974 Yeah. They go together, right? 1934 01:15:54,974 --> 01:15:56,726 Yeah. But this... this is something 1935 01:15:56,726 --> 01:15:58,186 that I can do right now. 1936 01:15:58,186 --> 01:16:00,104 Why wouldn't I do it? 1937 01:16:04,942 --> 01:16:06,359 Well, clearly, I mean, you did it, 1938 01:16:06,359 --> 01:16:08,195 and he... he was comfortable with it. 1939 01:16:08,195 --> 01:16:09,863 I just, it seems like it's... 1940 01:16:10,530 --> 01:16:12,365 uh, not a systemic approach. 1941 01:16:12,365 --> 01:16:14,242 - Or it just seemed... - It's not. 1942 01:16:14,242 --> 01:16:15,535 'Cause I'm not waiting for the system. 1943 01:16:15,535 --> 01:16:17,078 - I'm acting as an individual. - ROBIN: Yeah. 1944 01:16:20,957 --> 01:16:22,624 I can go get some cash, for sure. 1945 01:16:22,624 --> 01:16:24,251 In my... Yeah. 1946 01:16:24,251 --> 01:16:25,836 If that's something you... you think... 1947 01:16:25,836 --> 01:16:26,920 Yeah. I don't mind. 1948 01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:28,046 Um... 1949 01:16:28,505 --> 01:16:30,340 If that would be something 1950 01:16:30,340 --> 01:16:31,883 that would be comfortable for you. 1951 01:16:31,883 --> 01:16:34,510 - Yeah. - Okay. Cool. [CHUCKLES] 1952 01:16:37,138 --> 01:16:39,307 [CASH NOTES RUSTLING] 1953 01:16:51,985 --> 01:16:54,237 {\an8}- That's all the cash I have. - BEN: Oh, well, you know. 1954 01:16:54,237 --> 01:16:55,572 I don't usually carry cash. 1955 01:16:56,197 --> 01:16:57,531 - Thanks. - You're welcome! 1956 01:16:57,531 --> 01:16:58,741 MATT: Um... 1957 01:16:59,825 --> 01:17:02,120 This is powerful to me. I thank you for... 1958 01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:03,204 BEN: Sure. 1959 01:17:03,204 --> 01:17:05,038 [EXHALES] ...for doing that. 1960 01:17:08,416 --> 01:17:09,835 Well, the last thing is, will you sign my book? 1961 01:17:10,377 --> 01:17:11,753 Oh, of course. 1962 01:17:11,753 --> 01:17:12,837 If you don't mind. 1963 01:17:12,837 --> 01:17:14,506 I'm definitely gonna process that. 1964 01:17:14,506 --> 01:17:16,383 [CHUCKLES SOFTLY] 1965 01:17:18,092 --> 01:17:20,177 MATT: The student has become the teacher. 1966 01:17:21,095 --> 01:17:23,222 My moment has finally arrived. 1967 01:17:23,222 --> 01:17:25,099 [UPLIFTING MUSIC PLAYING] 1968 01:17:25,099 --> 01:17:26,308 It's time to show other white people 1969 01:17:26,308 --> 01:17:27,684 how to do the work. 1970 01:17:28,477 --> 01:17:30,604 And make a little money in the process. 1971 01:17:30,604 --> 01:17:31,688 I'm taking everything I've learned 1972 01:17:31,688 --> 01:17:32,856 on my anti-racist journey 1973 01:17:32,856 --> 01:17:36,442 and turning it into my own online DEI course. 1974 01:17:36,442 --> 01:17:39,112 Now anybody can earn their own DEI certificate. 1975 01:17:39,112 --> 01:17:42,197 {\an8}And I've already made $3,248. 1976 01:17:42,698 --> 01:17:43,908 But for a more in-depth approach, 1977 01:17:43,908 --> 01:17:45,868 I'm rolling out an in-person workshop. 1978 01:17:45,868 --> 01:17:49,496 I'm calling it the Do the Work! Workshop. 1979 01:17:49,496 --> 01:17:52,249 {\an8}With the purpose of providing practical and innovative, 1980 01:17:52,249 --> 01:17:53,625 {\an8}long-lasting solutions 1981 01:17:53,625 --> 01:17:55,919 {\an8}to promote equality in our society, 1982 01:17:55,919 --> 01:17:58,004 {\an8}Do the Work! Workshop was born. 1983 01:17:58,504 --> 01:18:01,757 {\an8}Our next guest offers a bold and uncompromising workshop 1984 01:18:01,757 --> 01:18:03,884 {\an8}that aims to bring lasting change. 1985 01:18:03,884 --> 01:18:05,761 So what you're doing is you're stretching, 1986 01:18:05,761 --> 01:18:06,845 you're stretching, 1987 01:18:06,845 --> 01:18:08,263 and this is more for you and less for you. 1988 01:18:08,263 --> 01:18:10,640 {\an8}You're stretching up like this, 1989 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:11,975 {\an8}- and you're stretching out. - Mm-hmm. 1990 01:18:11,975 --> 01:18:14,144 {\an8}What you're doing is you're stretching 1991 01:18:14,144 --> 01:18:15,312 {\an8}out of your whiteness. 1992 01:18:15,312 --> 01:18:17,439 Okay, so you're decentering your whiteness. 1993 01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,106 You're stretching out of your whiteness. 1994 01:18:19,106 --> 01:18:20,608 {\an8}And you're bringing those 1995 01:18:20,608 --> 01:18:22,777 {\an8}other experiences into yourself. 1996 01:18:22,777 --> 01:18:24,946 {\an8}What exactly does it mean 1997 01:18:24,946 --> 01:18:27,239 {\an8}to do the work with Do the Work! Workshop? 1998 01:18:27,239 --> 01:18:28,699 What does it mean to you to do the work? 1999 01:18:28,699 --> 01:18:30,451 {\an8}There's a reason we say "do the work." 2000 01:18:30,451 --> 01:18:32,452 {\an8}And it is a work that you have to do. 2001 01:18:32,452 --> 01:18:33,787 {\an8}It's right there in the name. 2002 01:18:33,787 --> 01:18:34,871 You know, what is the work? 2003 01:18:34,871 --> 01:18:36,081 It's the work that we're doing. 2004 01:18:36,081 --> 01:18:39,042 {\an8}It's about the doing, and it's also about the work. 2005 01:18:39,042 --> 01:18:41,461 What is to do? It is to do the thing. 2006 01:18:41,461 --> 01:18:43,045 {\an8}We might also use the analogy, 2007 01:18:43,045 --> 01:18:45,673 {\an8}another one I like, of raking leaves. 2008 01:18:45,673 --> 01:18:47,758 {\an8}Uh, the leaves of racism are falling. 2009 01:18:47,758 --> 01:18:49,593 {\an8}We're raking them, they keep falling. 2010 01:18:49,593 --> 01:18:50,677 {\an8}We rake them. 2011 01:18:50,677 --> 01:18:53,096 {\an8}Uh, but you don't get to a point where you say, 2012 01:18:53,096 --> 01:18:54,556 {\an8}"Well, I'm done with the leaves." 2013 01:18:54,556 --> 01:18:55,890 {\an8}Then you have leaves all over the yard. 2014 01:18:55,890 --> 01:18:56,975 {\an8}How can somebody get involved 2015 01:18:56,975 --> 01:18:58,142 {\an8}if they're watching this right now? 2016 01:18:58,142 --> 01:18:59,853 {\an8}Where can people get ahold of you 2017 01:18:59,853 --> 01:19:01,312 {\an8}and see you for your next workshop? 2018 01:19:01,312 --> 01:19:03,147 We're doing the work as we speak. 2019 01:19:03,147 --> 01:19:05,441 {\an8}The workshop is happening 2020 01:19:05,441 --> 01:19:07,067 {\an8}this fall if you would like to sign up. 2021 01:19:07,067 --> 01:19:08,569 {\an8}You don't need to bring anything with you 2022 01:19:08,569 --> 01:19:09,653 {\an8}but an open mind. 2023 01:19:09,653 --> 01:19:12,030 {\an8}We're not letting anyone in who doesn't have an open mind. 2024 01:19:12,030 --> 01:19:14,866 {\an8}Uh, also, there's a fee, of course, uh, as well. 2025 01:19:14,866 --> 01:19:16,784 {\an8}That's described in the... 2026 01:19:16,784 --> 01:19:18,202 {\an8}on the website but, you know, 2027 01:19:18,202 --> 01:19:19,412 {\an8}the open mind is the main thing. 2028 01:19:19,412 --> 01:19:21,706 {\an8}Matt, the certified DEI. 2029 01:19:21,706 --> 01:19:22,957 Thank you so much for being here. 2030 01:19:22,957 --> 01:19:24,541 {\an8}Thank you so much. 2031 01:19:24,541 --> 01:19:26,460 {\an8}Finding white people willing to do the work 2032 01:19:26,460 --> 01:19:27,794 {\an8}isn't exactly easy. 2033 01:19:27,794 --> 01:19:28,951 {\an8}So I also advertised my workshop on craigslist 2034 01:19:28,976 --> 01:19:30,130 {\an8}So I also advertised my workshop on craigslist 2035 01:19:30,130 --> 01:19:32,215 {\an8}which, as we know, is the best place 2036 01:19:32,215 --> 01:19:34,092 for finding white people who are willing to do 2037 01:19:34,092 --> 01:19:35,426 just about anything. 2038 01:19:35,426 --> 01:19:38,263 {\an8}- [LIGHT APPLAUSE] - [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] 2039 01:19:39,930 --> 01:19:41,807 Who's ready to do the work? Anybody? 2040 01:19:42,392 --> 01:19:43,643 I know I am. 2041 01:19:43,643 --> 01:19:46,353 Welcome to the Do the Work! Workshop. 2042 01:19:46,353 --> 01:19:47,688 Thank you all for being here. 2043 01:19:47,688 --> 01:19:50,065 Listen, let's get the credentials 2044 01:19:50,065 --> 01:19:51,733 out of the way upfront. 2045 01:19:51,733 --> 01:19:54,027 Um, I am a certified 2046 01:19:54,027 --> 01:19:57,030 diversity, equity, and inclusion expert. 2047 01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:58,281 Um, I have the card and all that, 2048 01:19:58,281 --> 01:20:00,199 but I keep the card in the back pocket 2049 01:20:00,992 --> 01:20:03,786 for this because I'm just a person on a journey, 2050 01:20:03,786 --> 01:20:04,870 just like many of you. 2051 01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:06,705 But by the end of the nine steps, 2052 01:20:06,705 --> 01:20:09,833 you're gonna start to feel more like an anti-racist ally. 2053 01:20:09,833 --> 01:20:11,752 That ultimately is our goal here. 2054 01:20:11,752 --> 01:20:13,336 Let's dive in right away with step one. 2055 01:20:13,336 --> 01:20:14,421 And here's what we reflect 2056 01:20:14,421 --> 01:20:16,381 both externally and internally. 2057 01:20:16,381 --> 01:20:18,466 It's all about adopting an appropriate, 2058 01:20:18,466 --> 01:20:20,843 uh, attitude of humility, 2059 01:20:20,843 --> 01:20:23,345 and also realizing that racism lurks, 2060 01:20:23,345 --> 01:20:25,389 uh, many places in society we don't expect it. 2061 01:20:25,389 --> 01:20:27,308 This may seem a little strange. 2062 01:20:27,308 --> 01:20:29,810 So I look around the room and point to 2063 01:20:30,644 --> 01:20:33,188 who we believe, just by looking, 2064 01:20:33,188 --> 01:20:35,899 is the most racist person in the room. 2065 01:20:38,276 --> 01:20:39,277 If you could point. 2066 01:20:39,860 --> 01:20:40,945 I'm out, guys. 2067 01:20:40,945 --> 01:20:42,530 - Appreciate y'all. - WOMAN: Yeah. 2068 01:20:42,530 --> 01:20:43,906 - MAN: Have a lovely day. - Thank you. 2069 01:20:43,906 --> 01:20:46,534 I appreciate it, but this is definitely not my... 2070 01:20:47,827 --> 01:20:49,161 That's uncomfortable. 2071 01:20:49,161 --> 01:20:50,745 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2072 01:20:50,745 --> 01:20:52,164 This is where I'm pointing. 2073 01:20:53,373 --> 01:20:55,750 'Cause why don't we think about pointing at ourselves? 2074 01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:57,919 Why would we rather get up and leave the room? 2075 01:20:58,712 --> 01:21:00,004 Let's go to step two. 2076 01:21:00,004 --> 01:21:02,631 This is a pretty simple, basic anti-racism concept. 2077 01:21:02,631 --> 01:21:04,758 Racism is non-binary. What does that mean? 2078 01:21:04,758 --> 01:21:06,885 It means racism is on a spectrum. 2079 01:21:06,885 --> 01:21:09,847 What does that mean? It means that racism is fluid. 2080 01:21:09,847 --> 01:21:11,223 You might move up or down. 2081 01:21:11,223 --> 01:21:12,349 So you might say, "Well, 2082 01:21:12,349 --> 01:21:13,892 "I'm kind of a three on the racism scale." 2083 01:21:13,892 --> 01:21:15,936 Uh, but there may be moments when you're a six, 2084 01:21:15,936 --> 01:21:17,437 when you're a nine, God forbid. 2085 01:21:17,437 --> 01:21:20,189 You all have numbers on your desks, 2086 01:21:20,189 --> 01:21:22,149 and those are magnetized. 2087 01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:23,860 Where do you think that you are 2088 01:21:24,986 --> 01:21:26,362 on this scale right now? 2089 01:21:26,362 --> 01:21:27,529 Wherever you would judge yourself. 2090 01:21:27,529 --> 01:21:30,116 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2091 01:21:37,914 --> 01:21:38,915 Hmm. 2092 01:21:41,751 --> 01:21:43,043 So, everybody wants to be... 2093 01:21:43,043 --> 01:21:45,338 obviously, we've got a little bit of a traffic jam 2094 01:21:45,338 --> 01:21:47,006 over at zero, one, two. 2095 01:21:47,006 --> 01:21:48,257 Let's just keep that, we'll keep that up there. 2096 01:21:48,257 --> 01:21:50,300 We're gonna keep that in mind as we move on. 2097 01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:53,345 Now, next we move on to what this whole workshop 2098 01:21:53,345 --> 01:21:55,305 is really about, which is uncomfortable conversations. 2099 01:21:55,305 --> 01:21:57,682 Because until we're willing to talk about these things, 2100 01:21:57,682 --> 01:22:00,351 um, healing can't really begin. 2101 01:22:00,351 --> 01:22:01,435 So I want you to think back 2102 01:22:01,435 --> 01:22:04,063 to a racist moment in your life. 2103 01:22:04,063 --> 01:22:06,232 Just something that you remember 2104 01:22:06,232 --> 01:22:07,316 you did or said. 2105 01:22:08,359 --> 01:22:09,527 You wish you could take it back. 2106 01:22:09,527 --> 01:22:11,570 But how does the healing start 2107 01:22:11,570 --> 01:22:14,031 if we're not willing to admit and talk about it? 2108 01:22:14,031 --> 01:22:16,324 I'll give you a racist moment of mine 2109 01:22:16,324 --> 01:22:17,409 from two months ago. 2110 01:22:17,409 --> 01:22:18,701 And I'll tell you exactly what happened. 2111 01:22:18,701 --> 01:22:22,622 I was at a traffic light, 2112 01:22:22,622 --> 01:22:23,706 in my car, 2113 01:22:23,706 --> 01:22:26,000 I see a Black man, man of color, 2114 01:22:26,542 --> 01:22:28,335 appears to be walking up to my car. 2115 01:22:28,961 --> 01:22:30,004 What'd I do, I check to make sure 2116 01:22:30,004 --> 01:22:31,088 the doors are locked. 2117 01:22:31,088 --> 01:22:32,256 And immediately I thought, 2118 01:22:32,256 --> 01:22:34,466 I hope he didn't hear that little click sound. 2119 01:22:35,091 --> 01:22:36,176 Why did I do that? 2120 01:22:36,927 --> 01:22:38,428 I thought he might be trying to carjack me. 2121 01:22:39,220 --> 01:22:40,889 Unconscious bias. 2122 01:22:40,889 --> 01:22:43,183 Now, in this case, the guy behind me did get carjacked. 2123 01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,226 But does that mean 2124 01:22:47,061 --> 01:22:49,647 that the assumption was fair? 2125 01:22:49,647 --> 01:22:51,774 Anybody else would like to share? 2126 01:22:51,774 --> 01:22:54,401 Number eight? Racist moment. 2127 01:22:54,401 --> 01:22:57,196 When I was getting my license when I was 16, 2128 01:22:57,196 --> 01:22:59,739 I was in the DMV, and I was really stressed out. 2129 01:22:59,739 --> 01:23:01,115 It was, like, a terrible day. 2130 01:23:01,115 --> 01:23:03,785 Despacito was a song playing on the radio, 2131 01:23:03,785 --> 01:23:05,161 and I was just, like, so annoyed by it. 2132 01:23:05,161 --> 01:23:06,412 I was like, "Oh my God, I've heard this song 2133 01:23:06,412 --> 01:23:08,956 "so many times," and I just sort of, like, blurted out, 2134 01:23:08,956 --> 01:23:10,082 and I was like, "Oh God, like, 2135 01:23:10,082 --> 01:23:11,500 "can you please turn off the song?" 2136 01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:13,210 The guy at the DMV was a Puerto Rico guy, 2137 01:23:13,210 --> 01:23:14,837 and he just got really, like, 2138 01:23:14,837 --> 01:23:16,004 offended by it, and I was like, 2139 01:23:16,004 --> 01:23:17,923 "I'm so sorry, like, I really didn't mean that. 2140 01:23:17,923 --> 01:23:19,716 "I just kind of yelled at the song 2141 01:23:19,716 --> 01:23:21,301 "just 'cause I was feeling bad inside, 2142 01:23:21,301 --> 01:23:22,677 "but it just came off really bad." 2143 01:23:22,677 --> 01:23:24,303 And I still feel bad about that every day. 2144 01:23:26,305 --> 01:23:27,306 It was racist. 2145 01:23:29,892 --> 01:23:31,393 We're not here to lie to ourselves. 2146 01:23:31,393 --> 01:23:32,478 Now things are getting heated up. 2147 01:23:32,478 --> 01:23:33,562 Now we move on to step six. 2148 01:23:33,562 --> 01:23:34,980 {\an8}Over-smiling. 2149 01:23:34,980 --> 01:23:36,357 {\an8}When you're in a room with a Black person 2150 01:23:36,357 --> 01:23:38,316 {\an8}or person of color, there's this compulsion 2151 01:23:38,316 --> 01:23:40,693 that people have to smile too much. 2152 01:23:40,693 --> 01:23:41,862 You're overcompensating. 2153 01:23:41,862 --> 01:23:43,363 I like to put words into action, 2154 01:23:43,363 --> 01:23:45,698 so Ben, if you wouldn't mind. Ben. 2155 01:23:46,449 --> 01:23:48,951 Uh, let's... for Ben here. Thank you. 2156 01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:53,663 Thanks, Ben. Now, Ben is going to stand here, and 2157 01:23:53,663 --> 01:23:56,000 let's try to look at Ben 2158 01:23:56,791 --> 01:23:59,919 in the least racist way that we know how. 2159 01:23:59,919 --> 01:24:02,130 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2160 01:24:11,805 --> 01:24:13,891 Well, number two, you're not even looking at him. 2161 01:24:13,891 --> 01:24:16,351 I think he's not looking at us, so it's kind of awkward 2162 01:24:16,351 --> 01:24:19,562 to look at someone like they're a specimen. 2163 01:24:19,562 --> 01:24:20,647 If that makes sense. 2164 01:24:20,647 --> 01:24:22,023 Like the... the exercise itself 2165 01:24:22,023 --> 01:24:23,441 is a little awkward, and... 2166 01:24:23,441 --> 01:24:25,568 It's not his job as a Black man 2167 01:24:25,568 --> 01:24:27,695 to make us feel comfortable in this moment. 2168 01:24:27,695 --> 01:24:29,989 That's not what I was saying though. 2169 01:24:29,989 --> 01:24:32,158 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2170 01:24:39,205 --> 01:24:40,206 Hmm. 2171 01:24:43,376 --> 01:24:44,419 Thanks, Ben. 2172 01:24:46,796 --> 01:24:49,340 Now we're gonna really take the gloves off. 2173 01:24:49,340 --> 01:24:51,091 This is where things get real. 2174 01:24:51,091 --> 01:24:52,802 White silence. 2175 01:24:52,802 --> 01:24:55,554 White silence is when we remain silent 2176 01:24:55,554 --> 01:24:56,972 in the face of bigotry and racism. 2177 01:24:56,972 --> 01:24:59,141 Now, what we like to tell ourselves is that 2178 01:24:59,141 --> 01:25:03,436 as long as I'm not using the N-word, okay? 2179 01:25:03,436 --> 01:25:07,231 As long as I'm not voting for Donald Trump, 2180 01:25:07,857 --> 01:25:09,108 I'm not racist. 2181 01:25:09,108 --> 01:25:12,486 By not taking action in the face of racism, 2182 01:25:12,486 --> 01:25:15,030 we are participating in that racism. 2183 01:25:15,656 --> 01:25:16,990 But here's the good news, 2184 01:25:16,990 --> 01:25:20,077 it's never too late to break the white silence 2185 01:25:20,077 --> 01:25:21,744 and speak up against racism. 2186 01:25:21,744 --> 01:25:23,205 Things are gonna really get uncomfortable now 2187 01:25:23,205 --> 01:25:24,497 especially for me. 2188 01:25:24,497 --> 01:25:27,875 Because what I want to do is lead by example. 2189 01:25:27,875 --> 01:25:28,960 My uncle Frank is here today. 2190 01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:30,169 Come on, bring my uncle Frank out. 2191 01:25:31,003 --> 01:25:33,005 [WHEELS SQUEAKING] 2192 01:25:42,388 --> 01:25:43,389 Thank you, Ben. 2193 01:25:43,389 --> 01:25:45,516 [LIGHT APPLAUSE] 2194 01:25:48,769 --> 01:25:49,770 Uncle Frank. 2195 01:25:51,564 --> 01:25:53,190 It was 20 years ago 2196 01:25:53,190 --> 01:25:56,068 that you sat at the dinner table with us, 2197 01:25:56,068 --> 01:25:57,319 and not a day has gone by 2198 01:25:57,319 --> 01:25:58,820 that I haven't thought about this. 2199 01:26:00,322 --> 01:26:01,698 You sat at that dinner table, 2200 01:26:01,698 --> 01:26:04,075 and you made what you said was a... 2201 01:26:04,993 --> 01:26:06,119 "joke." 2202 01:26:07,578 --> 01:26:08,913 You asked the question, what's the difference 2203 01:26:08,913 --> 01:26:11,915 between a Mexican man and a picnic table? 2204 01:26:11,915 --> 01:26:13,751 And the answer was, 2205 01:26:13,751 --> 01:26:16,879 a picnic table can support a family of five. 2206 01:26:18,380 --> 01:26:19,631 You're still laughing. 2207 01:26:20,173 --> 01:26:21,758 We all laughed at the table. 2208 01:26:21,758 --> 01:26:23,760 I laughed. 2209 01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,387 But I was scared and confused. 2210 01:26:25,387 --> 01:26:27,013 And I was a coward. 2211 01:26:28,139 --> 01:26:30,557 But I'm not gonna be a coward anymore, uncle Frank. 2212 01:26:31,058 --> 01:26:33,769 You had no right to make that joke! 2213 01:26:34,603 --> 01:26:36,980 Latinx Americans, they come to this country 2214 01:26:36,980 --> 01:26:38,524 and they work hard! 2215 01:26:39,274 --> 01:26:42,193 And your little joke dehumanizes. 2216 01:26:42,193 --> 01:26:43,486 It is not funny! 2217 01:26:44,195 --> 01:26:45,405 Uncle Frank, 2218 01:26:45,405 --> 01:26:50,451 it is not funny to mock marginalized people! 2219 01:26:50,451 --> 01:26:52,036 It's not a joke! 2220 01:26:52,036 --> 01:26:53,538 It's not funny... 2221 01:26:54,914 --> 01:26:56,206 Uncle Frank. 2222 01:27:00,669 --> 01:27:02,296 Okay. Who wants to go next? 2223 01:27:05,632 --> 01:27:07,425 Does anybody have some words for Uncle Frank? 2224 01:27:08,634 --> 01:27:10,511 We're breaking the white silence here today. 2225 01:27:15,182 --> 01:27:17,685 Uh, number six, you're of Hispanic descent. 2226 01:27:17,685 --> 01:27:18,936 What are your thoughts? 2227 01:27:19,770 --> 01:27:21,104 Mm, I have a lot of thoughts, 2228 01:27:21,104 --> 01:27:23,565 but I just feel like it would be wasted on him. 2229 01:27:23,565 --> 01:27:24,941 But I do have one thing to say. 2230 01:27:24,941 --> 01:27:26,734 If... With your permission. 2231 01:27:27,819 --> 01:27:29,111 [BLEEP] you. 2232 01:27:32,281 --> 01:27:34,075 Yeah, man. [BLEEP] you. 2233 01:27:35,159 --> 01:27:36,160 MATT: Mm. 2234 01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:37,661 I don't talk to anyone in my family 2235 01:27:37,661 --> 01:27:40,622 because they're all [BLEEP] racist white pieces of trash 2236 01:27:40,622 --> 01:27:41,832 in a lot of different ways, 2237 01:27:41,832 --> 01:27:43,917 but the racism is the biggest reason. 2238 01:27:43,917 --> 01:27:45,501 I have cut off every person in my life, 2239 01:27:45,501 --> 01:27:47,087 including my mother and father, 2240 01:27:47,087 --> 01:27:49,464 grandparents, everything. I do not give a [BLEEP]. 2241 01:27:50,047 --> 01:27:51,048 Powerful. 2242 01:27:51,048 --> 01:27:53,759 The message, it's clear. 2243 01:27:56,178 --> 01:27:57,471 Okay, Ben. 2244 01:27:57,471 --> 01:27:58,848 Uh, if you wouldn't mind. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2245 01:28:01,266 --> 01:28:03,393 [LIGHT APPLAUSE] 2246 01:28:06,855 --> 01:28:07,856 Thanks, Uncle Frank. 2247 01:28:07,856 --> 01:28:09,315 See you this weekend. 2248 01:28:10,483 --> 01:28:12,026 All right. Emotions are high, 2249 01:28:12,026 --> 01:28:14,278 and this is where we finally get to step nine. 2250 01:28:14,278 --> 01:28:16,322 We have to ask ourselves, are we ready for 2251 01:28:16,322 --> 01:28:18,949 the healing pain? 2252 01:28:20,075 --> 01:28:21,076 {\an8}Now, 2253 01:28:21,952 --> 01:28:24,537 {\an8}this is when we get to the self-flagellation portion, 2254 01:28:24,537 --> 01:28:25,788 which is the final step. 2255 01:28:25,788 --> 01:28:27,374 - ATTENDEE: Wow. - Would you mind taking a whip? 2256 01:28:30,877 --> 01:28:32,294 Thank you. Thank you. 2257 01:28:34,296 --> 01:28:35,631 MAN 1: What is... 2258 01:28:37,216 --> 01:28:38,967 MAN 2: Dude, this is ridiculous. 2259 01:28:38,967 --> 01:28:41,177 - I'm outta here. You're nuts. - WOMAN: [LAUGHS] Me too. 2260 01:28:41,177 --> 01:28:42,387 - I can't do this. - Um... 2261 01:28:42,387 --> 01:28:44,973 MAN 2: I tried, man. I tried. I'm seriously done. 2262 01:28:44,973 --> 01:28:46,892 MATT: I said it was gonna be uncomfortable. 2263 01:28:48,393 --> 01:28:49,394 [DOOR SHUTS] 2264 01:28:50,270 --> 01:28:52,480 Why weren't they willing to whip themselves? 2265 01:28:53,564 --> 01:28:56,400 Wait. Why were these people willing to whip themselves? 2266 01:28:57,192 --> 01:28:58,610 None of this feels right. 2267 01:29:03,907 --> 01:29:04,908 Um... 2268 01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:07,201 [MATT SNIFFS] 2269 01:29:07,786 --> 01:29:08,787 Hang on. 2270 01:29:12,706 --> 01:29:13,916 This is probably too far. 2271 01:29:14,542 --> 01:29:15,834 [SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYS] 2272 01:29:15,834 --> 01:29:18,421 Okay, the workshop's over. [FUMBLES] It's over. 2273 01:29:18,421 --> 01:29:20,673 That was... That's step nine, so... 2274 01:29:22,257 --> 01:29:23,675 Yeah, it's over. Seriously. 2275 01:29:24,426 --> 01:29:26,136 Yep. Thanks. Okay. 2276 01:29:36,312 --> 01:29:37,479 {\an8}[CASH REGISTER DINGS] 2277 01:29:39,022 --> 01:29:40,191 What am I doing? 2278 01:29:41,900 --> 01:29:43,444 What have I become? 2279 01:29:44,945 --> 01:29:46,529 Am I making the world better 2280 01:29:47,238 --> 01:29:50,533 or am I just profiting on people's racial guilt? 2281 01:29:51,992 --> 01:29:53,828 This is all wrong. 2282 01:29:54,370 --> 01:29:56,872 I followed the anti-racist playbook, 2283 01:29:56,872 --> 01:29:58,749 and it led to disaster. 2284 01:30:00,667 --> 01:30:02,711 [UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING] 2285 01:30:04,379 --> 01:30:05,755 All across America, 2286 01:30:05,755 --> 01:30:08,091 {\an8}many companies have implemented a division 2287 01:30:08,091 --> 01:30:10,635 {\an8}of diversity, equity, and inclusion. 2288 01:30:10,635 --> 01:30:12,470 And it's important to have this in the workplace 2289 01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:15,764 no matter how big or small the organization may be. 2290 01:30:15,764 --> 01:30:17,516 {\an8}Joining us this morning is Matt, 2291 01:30:17,516 --> 01:30:20,936 {\an8}a certified diversity, equity, and inclusion expert. 2292 01:30:20,936 --> 01:30:22,020 Good morning. 2293 01:30:24,064 --> 01:30:25,065 Morning. 2294 01:30:25,065 --> 01:30:26,774 Tell us about your journey. 2295 01:30:28,276 --> 01:30:30,237 It hasn't been great, honestly. Um... 2296 01:30:31,529 --> 01:30:32,530 Yeah. 2297 01:30:35,324 --> 01:30:39,453 And what led you to host this workshop? 2298 01:30:39,453 --> 01:30:41,497 Why is this an important initiative, 2299 01:30:41,497 --> 01:30:44,082 and how did you go about putting the workshop together? 2300 01:30:44,916 --> 01:30:46,585 {\an8}We just did a workshop, 2301 01:30:47,085 --> 01:30:48,461 {\an8}uh, 2302 01:30:48,461 --> 01:30:50,796 {\an8}you know, it didn't go well. Honestly, I'd... 2303 01:30:53,258 --> 01:30:54,259 It... 2304 01:30:56,093 --> 01:30:58,012 I think it's doing more harm than good. 2305 01:30:58,846 --> 01:31:00,430 This whole thing's a scam, I don't know. 2306 01:31:01,056 --> 01:31:03,725 So when we think about diversity, equity, 2307 01:31:03,725 --> 01:31:06,186 and inclusion, as we mentioned, there are, 2308 01:31:06,186 --> 01:31:10,982 um, keys to what an organization should focus on. 2309 01:31:10,982 --> 01:31:15,403 So what would you say is, uh, the key for the learning 2310 01:31:15,403 --> 01:31:17,071 that we may want to be doing? 2311 01:31:18,906 --> 01:31:21,324 Even if we're not quite there yet, right? 2312 01:31:22,034 --> 01:31:23,368 Just, uh... 2313 01:31:24,661 --> 01:31:26,079 Just go live your life. 2314 01:31:28,498 --> 01:31:29,499 I gotta go. 2315 01:31:32,126 --> 01:31:34,420 [SOMBER ELECTRO-ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 2316 01:32:05,824 --> 01:32:06,825 [MUSIC ENDS] 2317 01:32:16,542 --> 01:32:18,752 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING] 2318 01:32:21,296 --> 01:32:22,423 Black, right? 2319 01:32:22,923 --> 01:32:24,257 Yeah. Thanks. 2320 01:32:24,257 --> 01:32:26,343 Haven't seen you around here in a while. 2321 01:32:26,927 --> 01:32:28,595 Yeah. I been out doing the work. 2322 01:32:29,137 --> 01:32:30,138 Huh? 2323 01:32:30,805 --> 01:32:31,973 Been doing the work. 2324 01:32:32,807 --> 01:32:33,808 What does that mean? 2325 01:32:34,892 --> 01:32:36,518 [SIGHS] Well... 2326 01:32:37,144 --> 01:32:38,312 {\an8}- [CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] - White Fragility 2327 01:32:38,312 --> 01:32:39,897 {\an8}is a really great place to start. 2328 01:32:39,897 --> 01:32:42,441 BYRD: The reason we cannot be colorblind now, 2329 01:32:42,441 --> 01:32:44,485 we're still working on the problem. 2330 01:32:44,485 --> 01:32:45,736 I'm not going to pretend I don't notice 2331 01:32:45,736 --> 01:32:47,445 that there's a Black person in the grocery store. 2332 01:32:47,445 --> 01:32:49,155 {\an8}DEI certified. I'm here to help. 2333 01:32:49,155 --> 01:32:50,991 We live in a white supremacist society. 2334 01:32:50,991 --> 01:32:54,577 Whiteness is even more insidious than I even knew. 2335 01:32:54,577 --> 01:32:56,329 The only thing about white culture 2336 01:32:56,329 --> 01:32:58,288 is buying things and stealing things. 2337 01:32:58,288 --> 01:33:00,207 And whiteness also robs you of your brain. 2338 01:33:01,041 --> 01:33:02,417 America is racist to its bones. 2339 01:33:02,417 --> 01:33:03,878 - Um... - It has to burn. 2340 01:33:03,878 --> 01:33:05,670 The entire system has to burn. 2341 01:33:05,670 --> 01:33:08,173 "Why are you blaming me for what my ancestors did? 2342 01:33:08,173 --> 01:33:09,258 "It's not my fault." 2343 01:33:09,258 --> 01:33:11,300 We want to rename the George Washington Monument. 2344 01:33:11,300 --> 01:33:12,385 This country is a piece of shit. 2345 01:33:12,385 --> 01:33:13,970 - [PLATES CRASH] - Love is also 2346 01:33:13,970 --> 01:33:15,429 not always patient and kind. 2347 01:33:15,429 --> 01:33:18,307 It's not that much different than Nazi doctors. 2348 01:33:18,307 --> 01:33:19,892 Republicans are Nazis. 2349 01:33:19,892 --> 01:33:22,019 Kindness is not what is called for. 2350 01:33:22,019 --> 01:33:23,687 It's not funny, Uncle Frank! 2351 01:33:23,687 --> 01:33:25,022 [BLEEP] you. 2352 01:33:25,814 --> 01:33:27,274 I can go get some cash, for sure. 2353 01:33:27,983 --> 01:33:29,651 Raise a glass if you're racist. 2354 01:33:29,651 --> 01:33:30,818 [LAUGHING] 2355 01:33:31,236 --> 01:33:32,237 [MUSIC STOPS] 2356 01:33:34,196 --> 01:33:35,281 Okay. 2357 01:33:36,198 --> 01:33:37,742 Let me know if you need anything else. 2358 01:33:37,742 --> 01:33:41,537 You know, this experience has really taught me something. 2359 01:33:41,537 --> 01:33:44,123 The anti-racist industry says that America is racist 2360 01:33:44,123 --> 01:33:45,832 down to its bones. 2361 01:33:46,458 --> 01:33:47,918 And if that were true, 2362 01:33:47,918 --> 01:33:50,086 there wouldn't be anything we could do about it. 2363 01:33:50,712 --> 01:33:53,423 White people could only wallow in their guilt, 2364 01:33:53,423 --> 01:33:55,758 and Black people in their victimhood... 2365 01:33:57,885 --> 01:33:59,470 [SENTIMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2366 01:33:59,470 --> 01:34:01,221 But it's a lie. 2367 01:34:01,221 --> 01:34:03,849 It's a lie meant to manipulate us. 2368 01:34:03,849 --> 01:34:05,350 Look, we'll never live in a utopia. 2369 01:34:05,350 --> 01:34:06,643 We all know that. 2370 01:34:07,436 --> 01:34:08,562 But we don't have to be held hostage 2371 01:34:08,562 --> 01:34:10,480 by these race-baiting con artists 2372 01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:12,941 who want us to be bitter and angry 2373 01:34:12,941 --> 01:34:14,192 and resentful. 2374 01:34:15,318 --> 01:34:16,861 They're selling us the disease. 2375 01:34:16,861 --> 01:34:19,322 They're telling us there's no cure. 2376 01:34:19,322 --> 01:34:21,157 They don't say that I'm racist, 2377 01:34:21,157 --> 01:34:24,410 and you're a victim, because that's what they think we are. 2378 01:34:25,828 --> 01:34:26,912 They tell us that 2379 01:34:26,912 --> 01:34:29,039 because that's what they want us to be. 2380 01:34:30,457 --> 01:34:33,418 Well, it's time for us to say no. 2381 01:34:33,418 --> 01:34:35,503 [SENTIMENTAL MUSIC CONTINUES] 2382 01:34:47,055 --> 01:34:48,724 [PEOPLE CHEERING] 2383 01:34:49,307 --> 01:34:51,101 Yeah! Yeah! [LAUGHING] 2384 01:34:58,649 --> 01:34:59,775 [MUSIC STOPS] 2385 01:34:59,775 --> 01:35:01,527 [UTENSILS CLACKING] 2386 01:35:06,656 --> 01:35:08,450 Well, bless your heart. 2387 01:35:08,992 --> 01:35:11,119 [CHUCKLES] I got a lot of tables. 2388 01:35:11,119 --> 01:35:13,204 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2389 01:35:14,163 --> 01:35:16,457 Hey. You wanna hear a joke? 2390 01:35:22,588 --> 01:35:23,589 [DIALOGUE MUTED] 2391 01:35:23,589 --> 01:35:24,923 [AM I RACIST? BY BRYSON GRAY PLAYS] 2392 01:35:24,923 --> 01:35:27,175 [RAPPING] ♪ I wanna know, am I racist? ♪ 2393 01:35:28,593 --> 01:35:29,594 ♪ Am I racist? ♪ 2394 01:35:29,594 --> 01:35:31,554 ♪ Why do you judge by the color of our faces? ♪ 2395 01:35:31,554 --> 01:35:34,224 ♪ Is racial division just a plan by the matrix? ♪ 2396 01:35:34,224 --> 01:35:35,308 ♪ They burn down our cities ♪ 2397 01:35:35,308 --> 01:35:36,601 ♪ Then they get called courageous ♪ 2398 01:35:36,601 --> 01:35:39,436 ♪ Instead of condemning, the media give 'em praises ♪ 2399 01:35:39,436 --> 01:35:41,773 ♪ Oh, man, what is the benefit? ♪ 2400 01:35:41,773 --> 01:35:43,607 ♪ When the media ruin our images ♪ 2401 01:35:43,607 --> 01:35:46,193 ♪ If you a white male, you get called a white supremacist ♪ 2402 01:35:46,193 --> 01:35:49,363 ♪ If your opinion and the narrative have differences ♪ 2403 01:35:49,363 --> 01:35:51,865 ♪ Couple that in with all the censorship ♪ 2404 01:35:51,865 --> 01:35:53,992 {\an8}♪ And the damage they can do is limitless ♪ 2405 01:35:53,992 --> 01:35:56,577 {\an8}♪ No Brad Cooper but celebrities defendin' it ♪ 2406 01:35:57,495 --> 01:36:00,080 {\an8}♪ Oh, man, they gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2407 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,416 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2408 01:36:02,416 --> 01:36:04,919 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2409 01:36:04,919 --> 01:36:07,421 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2410 01:36:07,421 --> 01:36:10,299 {\an8}♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ 2411 01:36:10,299 --> 01:36:12,551 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2412 01:36:12,551 --> 01:36:15,011 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2413 01:36:15,011 --> 01:36:17,388 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2414 01:36:17,388 --> 01:36:19,974 {\an8}♪ They make you think that there's no way you can win ♪ 2415 01:36:19,974 --> 01:36:22,393 {\an8}♪ Another news clip, here we go again ♪ 2416 01:36:22,393 --> 01:36:25,062 {\an8}♪ Judgin' somebody by the color of their skin ♪ 2417 01:36:25,062 --> 01:36:27,397 {\an8}♪ Meanwhile, it's all comin' to an end ♪ 2418 01:36:27,397 --> 01:36:29,983 {\an8}♪ They ask why, and I just tell 'em, listen ♪ 2419 01:36:29,983 --> 01:36:32,402 {\an8}♪ Are you mad because we don't think you a victim ♪ 2420 01:36:32,402 --> 01:36:34,862 {\an8}♪ You made bad choices, then you blame it on the system ♪ 2421 01:36:34,862 --> 01:36:37,281 {\an8}♪ Nowadays bein' white means you can't have an opinion ♪ 2422 01:36:37,281 --> 01:36:38,616 {\an8}♪ Especially if you Christian ♪ 2423 01:36:38,616 --> 01:36:40,785 {\an8}♪ Tell me, is it racist to not want our cities ♪ 2424 01:36:40,785 --> 01:36:42,453 {\an8}♪ Burned down by these mobs ♪ 2425 01:36:42,453 --> 01:36:44,746 {\an8}♪ To not want our stores always gettin' robbed ♪ 2426 01:36:44,746 --> 01:36:47,791 {\an8}♪ Is it racist to treat our race like it's a god ♪ 2427 01:36:47,791 --> 01:36:50,502 {\an8}♪ Oh, man, they gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2428 01:36:50,502 --> 01:36:53,004 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2429 01:36:53,004 --> 01:36:55,423 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2430 01:36:55,423 --> 01:36:57,842 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2431 01:36:57,842 --> 01:37:00,678 {\an8}♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ 2432 01:37:00,678 --> 01:37:03,097 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2433 01:37:03,097 --> 01:37:05,515 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2434 01:37:05,515 --> 01:37:08,018 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2435 01:37:08,018 --> 01:37:09,103 {\an8}♪ When you say it ♪ 2436 01:37:09,769 --> 01:37:11,480 {\an8}CHOIR: [SINGING] ♪ Will you set us free ♪ 2437 01:37:11,480 --> 01:37:14,065 {\an8}♪ From these chains, these chains ♪ 2438 01:37:14,065 --> 01:37:18,862 {\an8}♪ Will you set us free ♪ 2439 01:37:18,862 --> 01:37:21,572 {\an8}- ♪ Lord, set us free ♪ - ♪ Sing! ♪ 2440 01:37:21,572 --> 01:37:24,116 {\an8}♪ From these chains, these chains ♪ 2441 01:37:24,116 --> 01:37:26,994 {\an8}- ♪ Will you set us free ♪ - ♪ No! Sing! ♪ 2442 01:37:26,994 --> 01:37:29,079 {\an8}♪ Set us free ♪ 2443 01:37:29,079 --> 01:37:31,081 {\an8}BRYSON: [RAPPING] ♪ They gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2444 01:37:31,081 --> 01:37:33,416 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2445 01:37:33,416 --> 01:37:35,835 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2446 01:37:35,835 --> 01:37:38,254 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2447 01:37:38,254 --> 01:37:41,132 {\an8}♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ 2448 01:37:41,132 --> 01:37:43,467 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2449 01:37:43,467 --> 01:37:45,802 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2450 01:37:45,802 --> 01:37:48,430 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2451 01:37:48,430 --> 01:37:51,266 {\an8}♪ When you say it They gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2452 01:37:51,266 --> 01:37:53,644 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2453 01:37:53,644 --> 01:37:56,104 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2454 01:37:56,104 --> 01:37:58,481 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2455 01:37:58,481 --> 01:38:01,359 {\an8}♪ One more time They gon' say you racist ♪ 2456 01:38:01,359 --> 01:38:03,653 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2457 01:38:03,653 --> 01:38:06,071 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2458 01:38:06,071 --> 01:38:08,698 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2459 01:38:08,698 --> 01:38:10,993 ♪ When you say it When you say it ♪ 2460 01:38:10,993 --> 01:38:13,745 [SINGING] ♪ Will you set us free? ♪ 2461 01:38:13,745 --> 01:38:14,829 ♪ Whoo! ♪ 2462 01:38:14,829 --> 01:38:18,750 ♪ Set us free ♪ 2463 01:38:20,209 --> 01:38:22,211 - [SONG ENDS] - [LINE RINGING] 2464 01:38:25,506 --> 01:38:27,049 WOMAN: Thank you for calling the Boulder Bookstore. 2465 01:38:27,049 --> 01:38:28,551 How can I help you? 2466 01:38:28,551 --> 01:38:30,177 Hi. I was just in the other day, 2467 01:38:30,177 --> 01:38:31,804 and I saw a certain book that, uh, 2468 01:38:31,804 --> 01:38:34,014 I wasn't ready to read at the time, 2469 01:38:34,014 --> 01:38:35,598 but I think I'm ready. I wanted to see if you guys 2470 01:38:35,598 --> 01:38:37,142 still have it in stock. 2471 01:38:37,142 --> 01:38:38,643 Yeah, what was the title? 2472 01:38:39,268 --> 01:38:43,022 Uh, it starts... So it starts with an "N." 2473 01:38:43,022 --> 01:38:44,315 Um... 2474 01:38:44,315 --> 01:38:45,566 I don't remember the... 2475 01:38:46,650 --> 01:38:48,027 I don't remember the author. 2476 01:38:51,071 --> 01:38:52,197 Um... 2477 01:38:52,197 --> 01:38:53,782 It... It's... 2478 01:38:53,782 --> 01:38:56,117 You don't know the title of the book either? 2479 01:38:56,868 --> 01:38:58,578 Well, it... it's, uh... 2480 01:38:58,578 --> 01:38:59,912 'Cause it got... It's kind of... 2481 01:38:59,912 --> 01:39:01,914 It starts with an "N" and there's kind of, uh... 2482 01:39:01,914 --> 01:39:03,123 Well, there's... 2483 01:39:03,123 --> 01:39:04,917 It's like there's... there's a vowel, there's consonants, 2484 01:39:04,917 --> 01:39:06,460 there's a vowel. Um... 2485 01:39:07,336 --> 01:39:09,046 It... It's one word. 2486 01:39:09,046 --> 01:39:11,548 I really... I don't know how to look it up 2487 01:39:11,548 --> 01:39:13,633 without the title or the author. 2488 01:39:14,676 --> 01:39:16,428 Well, it's got kind of... So it starts with an "N." 2489 01:39:16,428 --> 01:39:18,387 And then it's got kind of, sort of, it's got an "I," 2490 01:39:18,387 --> 01:39:20,682 uh, there, it... it's... 2491 01:39:20,682 --> 01:39:23,642 I guess... I mean, we've got thousands of books, 2492 01:39:23,642 --> 01:39:25,894 so I don't really know how to look it up 2493 01:39:25,894 --> 01:39:29,607 with just knowing the two... first two letters. 2494 01:39:29,607 --> 01:39:32,484 It's "N-I..." So it's like an "N-I..." 2495 01:39:33,736 --> 01:39:35,362 There's the... It's a "G..." 2496 01:39:36,738 --> 01:39:38,156 is in there, and there's another one. 2497 01:39:38,156 --> 01:39:40,700 Let me put you on a brief hold and go check. 2498 01:39:40,700 --> 01:39:42,952 [HOLD MUSIC PLAYING] 2499 01:39:42,952 --> 01:39:44,036 [SNIFFS] 2500 01:39:48,249 --> 01:39:51,627 Thanks for holding. Um, I'm not seeing anything. 2501 01:39:52,461 --> 01:39:54,630 I mean, maybe try to think of the title 2502 01:39:54,630 --> 01:39:56,882 - if you can and call back? - Well, it's... 2503 01:39:56,882 --> 01:39:58,716 Sorry, sorry. I... I know the title. 2504 01:39:58,716 --> 01:40:00,843 I just can't... I can't say the title. 2505 01:40:01,927 --> 01:40:02,928 - And I... - Okay. 2506 01:40:02,928 --> 01:40:04,597 I don't know. I don't think you can say it either, 2507 01:40:04,597 --> 01:40:05,723 so I don't... 2508 01:40:05,723 --> 01:40:07,474 It's a very... It's a triggering title. 2509 01:40:07,474 --> 01:40:09,476 Uh, it actually rhymes with "trigger," actually, 2510 01:40:09,476 --> 01:40:11,811 and, uh, so... 2511 01:40:14,022 --> 01:40:15,565 but that's what I was wondering, 2512 01:40:15,565 --> 01:40:16,858 if it was there. 2513 01:40:18,860 --> 01:40:22,613 Um, I mean, I didn't see it when I just went and looked. 2514 01:40:22,613 --> 01:40:24,365 Okay. But you know what I'm talking about? 2515 01:40:24,365 --> 01:40:25,449 Yeah. 2516 01:40:25,449 --> 01:40:27,243 It... It's that book. 2517 01:40:27,243 --> 01:40:28,744 - Yeah. - MATT: Okay. 2518 01:40:29,370 --> 01:40:30,402 - WOMAN: Okay. Have a good day. - [RECEIVER CLICKS] 2519 01:40:30,427 --> 01:40:31,479 - WOMAN: Okay. Have a good day. - [RECEIVER CLICKS]