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الاختبار واحد، اثنان، ثلاثة.

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روي كوهن، 28 سبتمبر.

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كنت أكتب أ
الملف الشخصي لـ روي كوهن.

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جهاز التسجيل الخاص بي ينطلق، و...

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أنا أقوم بتدوين الملاحظات كما
طيب وقلت...

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ما الذي يجعل روي كوهن علامة؟

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حب القتال الجيد. اه...

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متعة معينة أستمدها
في القتال ضد السلطة

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والمؤسسة.

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! سوف تتخذ على سبب
عمليا ضد أي شخص.

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أنا أكره النفاق.

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تم استدعاء روي كوهن أكثر من غيره
محامي لامع ومؤثر

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في أمريكا.

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كان تخصصه هو القوة.

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ومنذ البداية،
كان متألقا،

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لقد كان قاسياً و
دائما مثيرة للجدل.

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وكان مثل حيوان محبوس.

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إذا فتحت
باب القفص،

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سيخرج ويأخذك.

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ازدراء روي كوهو للناس,
واستهزاءه بالقانون

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كان واضحا جدا على وجهه

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أنه لو كنت
في حضوره،

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كنت أعرف أنك كنت في
وجود الشر.

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ورأى نفسه كذلك
محرك الدمى السياسية.

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يمكنه سحب الخيوط و
جمع الناس معا.

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يمكنه سحب الخيوط و
جعل الناس يفعلون الأشياء.

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روي كوهن هو الخيط المشترك
من السيناتور جو مكارثي...

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على طول الطريق له
المحمي دونالد ترامب.

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عندما تنظر إلى حياة كوهو،
أنت تسلط الضوء..

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عن الديماغوجية..

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نفاق...

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وأحلك الأجزاء
من النفسية الأمريكية.

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عرض روي كوهن,
وهو أمر لا يصدق.

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الآن ها هو روي كوهن الذي ظهر
ظهرت مؤخراً على غلاف مجلة Esquire.

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وعنوان هذا المقال كما قلت
تذكر يا سيدي، كان "الجلاد القانوني".

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- نعم.
- ذهب ليقول أنك حقا رجل قوي

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- وأنه في بعض الأحيان يمكنك ...
- قاسية، لئيمة، شريرة، الخ.

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ماذا يفعل هذا النوع من الدعاية
هل لعملك في نيويورك؟

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أوه، إنه أمر رائع.

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كلما كانت الصفات أسوأ،
كلما كان ذلك أفضل للأعمال.

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ما الذي يبحثون عنه؟
ماذا يشترون؟

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قيمة التخويف.

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العودة، على مدى فترة من
سنوات، عندما أتصل بشخص ما

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أو أكتب رسالة أو
شيء من هذا القبيل،

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من المفترض أن يفعل هذا
فيرتعدون ويفكرون

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إلا إذا تصرفوا
بشكل عاجل ومعقول،

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أن كل أنواع الرهيبة
العواقب سوف تتدفق

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سمعة روي في قاعة المحكمة
كان لمثل هذه الشراسة

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هذا مجرد الاحتفاظ به

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عادة ما يسبب الجانب الآخر في أي
نزاع تريد تسويته على الفور.

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لقد استأجرت روي كوهن لأنه
هو ابن العاهرة القاسي.

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إذا كان بإمكاني مقارنة هذا مع الغرب،
إنه مثل إحضار بندقية مستأجرة.

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هذا صحيح.

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اسمي روي كوهن.

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الطريقة التي مارس بها روي كوهن
كمحامي كان:

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"لا يهمني ما هو القانون.
أريد أن أعرف من هو القاضي."

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هذه هي الطريقة التي كان يعمل بها، لأنه
هكذا تلاعب بالنظام.

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سأفعل أي شيء للحصول على موكلي
للفوز. نعم سأفعل. هذه هي وظيفتي.

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لا يوجد شيء
لن أفعل،

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لأنني أعتقد أن هناك إجابة واحدة فقط
في مهنة معادية مثل المحاماة،

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وهذا هو الفوز.

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وقد فعل ذلك بطرق كانت،
كما تعلمون، أبعد من الميكافيلية.

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لقد كان متلاعبًا رائعًا،
وكثيرا ما حصل على طريقه نتيجة لذلك.

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ماذا يصادرون؟

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- عبوات من البودرة البيضاء.
- ولكن ماذا كان؟

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هل كان الكوكايين؟

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ولم يكن في حقيبته.

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وهم لا يزعمون ذلك
كان في حقيبته

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لقد قرأت الشكوى
وكنت في المحكمة، وأنت لم تكن.

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كان روي شخصًا ما
لم يكن لها حدود.

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وإذا كنت على
الجانب الأيمن منه،

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لقد كان رائعًا، وإذا كنت في
الجانب الخطأ منه، كان فظيعا.

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كان يحب السلطة.

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كان يحب سحب أدوات السلطة. وهو
حصل على طعم لذلك في وقت مبكر جدا من حياته المهنية.

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هنا رجل أن الجميع
سوف يستمتع بالاجتماع.

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إنه روي إم كوهن، وهو مساعد سري
إلى المدعي العام للولايات المتحدة،

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وبالطبع،
لقد كانوا مشغولين للغاية

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محاكمة الشيوعيين
والحزب الشيوعي.

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- مرحبا، روي.
- كيف حالك يا جاك؟

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ماذا يمكنك أن تقول لنا، روي،

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التي قد لا نعرف منها
التغطية الصحفية العامة

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من أعمال
حفلة في هذا البلد؟

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ماذا يمكننا أن نراقب
كمواطنين أفراد؟

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حسنًا، الشيوعيون، الشيء الوحيد
علينا أن نفهم في البداية

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هو أن الحزب الشيوعي...

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ليس حزبا سياسيا.

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إنها طريقة حياة.

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شر وخبيث
طريقة الحياة.

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يكشف عن حالة
شبيه بالمرض،

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الذي ينتشر كالوباء،

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ومثل الوباء، الحجر الصحي ضروري
حتى لا يصيب هذه الأمة.

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إنها مؤامرة إجرامية

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هدفها هو الإطاحة بالحكومة
الولايات المتحدة بالقوة والعنف..

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وإقامة أسوأ نوع
دكتاتورية لم يعرفها هذا العالم من قبل.

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كان هذا الارتفاع
من الحرب الباردة.

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كان الناس بصدق
خائفة من هجوم نووي

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ومن ما يسمى
التهديد الشيوعي.

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الرئيس ترومان
إعلان درامي

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التي أنشأتها روسيا
انفجار ذري

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يرسل الصحفيين السباق
للأمم المتحدة.

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حصلت على أي بيان حول الرئيس
تصريح ترومان بشأن القنبلة الذرية؟

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- من فضلك، من فضلك، عفوا.
- هل تمتلك روسيا القنبلة الذرية يا سيدي؟

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- ألا ترد علي؟
- ماذا يمكننا أن نفعل؟

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لقد كانت فترة من الهستيريا.

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لقد بدأت حقا في رؤية
أسلوب بجنون العظمة في السياسة تتكشف.

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وكان روي كوهن هناك.

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واحدة من أعظم الأعمال الدرامية للتجسس في زمن السلم
في تاريخ الأمة يصل إلى ذروته

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كما يوليوس روزنبرغ والسيدة.
إثيل روزنبرغ,

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أدين بالكشف عن الذرية
أسرار للروس,

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أدخل المبنى الفيدرالي
نيويورك لسماع هلاكهم.

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أصبح أحد المدعين العامين في
محاكمة يوليوس وإثيل روزنبرغ.

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تعيين يهودي
المدعين العامين والقاضي اليهودي

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<i>كان الهدف منه خلق الانطباع</i>

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أنه لم يكن
محاكمة معادية للسامية.

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كان عمره 23 عامًا فقط،
لكن روي كوهن كان قاسياً.

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عرف روي كوهن كيفية التنمر،

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وكان على استعداد لفعل أي شيء
يمكنه التلاعب بالنتيجة.

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شعر كوهن أنه يستطيع الركوب
موجة معاداة الشيوعية

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لتعزيز مسيرته الخاصة.

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وفي الواقع، دوره في هذه الحالة هو
تخضع لأسئلة أخلاقية خطيرة للغاية.

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وفقا لكوهن ،
سيتصل به القاضي كوفمان

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من كشك الهاتف في الخارج
كنيس بارك أفينيو,

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حيث حث كوفمان على ذلك
فرض عقوبة الإعدام.

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لقد كان طريقًا إلى السلطة
كوفمان القاضي

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ولروي كوهن.

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لقد اغتنموا اللحظة. لقد دفعوه
بقدر ما يستطيعون، وذهب إلى هناك.

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حكم القاضي ايرفينغ كوفمان على كليهما
روزنبرغ حتى الموت على الكرسي الكهربائي.

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وهذه هي المرة الأولى في زمن السلم التي يحدث فيها ذلك
وقد صدرت عقوبة الإعدام هذه.

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كانت البلاد مستقطبة
على الحكم.

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أخذ الناس إلى
الشوارع للاحتجاج,

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تسعى إلى الرأفة،
الذي لم يمنح.

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الحكومة أبدا
كان لديه ما يكفي من الأدلة

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لإدانة إثيل، ومع ذلك فإنهم
أدانتها، وحكمت عليها بالإعدام

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وقتلها في
الكرسي الكهربائي.

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وكانت صفقة ذلك
ساعد روي كوهن المهندس.

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- لقد أبقت يديها مفتوحتين هكذا.
- يمين.

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أعتقد أنه إذا تم جعل هؤلاء الناس ل
أفهم أنه مثل أي مجرمين آخرين،

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عندما ينتهكون قوانيننا، سيتم معاقبتهم،
أن ذلك سيكون له تأثير رادع قوي.

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وأعتقد أن حكم الإعدام الذي فرضه
القاضي إيرفينغ ر. كوفمان في محاكمة التجسس الذري

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كان قويا جدا
تأثير رادع.

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أعتقد أنها كانت سنة جيدة جدًا
الجبهة المناهضة للشيوعية في هذا البلد.

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My father took me to the corner of our
block to see the funeral procession go by.

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I'm not sure where he really
stood on the Rosenberg case.

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But he wanted me to see this.

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This was a part of history.

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وكان له ما لا يمحى
تأثير علي ...

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وعلى كل أمريكا.

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يبدأ كوهن مسيرته المهنية
the backs of the Rosenbergs,

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showing that he's not just a
ذكي ، شاب فاسق ،

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but that he's a go-for-the-jugular
district attorney who can quite literally

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ربط الناس في
الكرسي الكهربائي.

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ضيفنا في برنامج لقاء الصحافة،
سيداتي وسادتي، هو روي إم كوهن.

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أود أن أضعك على الطرف المتلقي
بعض الأسئلة التي عادة ما تطرحها على الشهود.

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حسنًا.

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متى وأين ولدت؟

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لقد ولدت في الجديدة
مدينة يورك عام 1927.

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جاء روي من
عائلة غير تقليدية.

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والدته دورا،
كان عضوًا مميزًا في المجتمع اليهودي.

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عندما ولد روي،
تتكون الأسرة من

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بنك الولايات المتحدة,
والذي كان اسمًا كبيرًا في ذلك الوقت،

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شركة فان هيوزن,

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قطارات ليونيل,

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وجدي الخاص
الذي بدأ نصائح Q.

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الحقيقة هي،
Dora was not a very attractive woman.

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Dora, according to my mother,

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كان أبشع
فتاة في برونكس.

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Not only was she not attractive physically,
but she had a difficult personality.

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لا أحد سيتزوج دورا.

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So they cut a deal with a
young lawyer named Al Cohn.

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إذا تزوج دورا.
they would make him a judge.

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وكان لديهما طفل واحد،
وكان ذلك الطفل روي.

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كان لدى آل ودورا كوهن
very frosty relationship.

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They both focused on Roy a
lot, Dora even more than Al.

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لقد كانت في نهاية المطاف
الأم التنقيط.

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كان يعامل مثل
أمير شاب.

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مثل أي أم،
she wanted a son who was perfect,

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and she had a son that was
قصيرة وغير جذابة.

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وقد حاولت ذلك
تصحيح أنفه.

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And she wanted a different son
from the son that God gave her.

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وهذا ما جعله يشعر
of shame about who he was,

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وأعطى والده
له اللغة

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حيث سيعبر
his shame in various ways,

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through law and politics.

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ودورا وآل معا
كانت عاصفة مثالية.

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وكان والده جدا
active Democrat in the Bronx

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and would have a lot of powerful
Democrats come to dinner.

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وعندما كان روي في التاسعة من عمره،
10، 11 سنة،

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his father would insist that Roy
sit at the table with adults.

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وسوف يشارك روي
في المحادثة.

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When Cohn was 10, his father brought
him to meet President Roosevelt.

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تجرأ روي على إبداء رأيه
إلى الرئيس،

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who I'm sure loved hearing
it even from a 10-year-old,

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"I support what you're doing,
packing the Supreme Court."

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He made his first bribe when
he was about 15 years old.

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He got a teacher out of a traffic
ticket when he was in high school.

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عرف روي كوهن كيف
وعمل النظام،

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and he manipulated that system
for the rest of his life.

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You describe yourself, and it rings
true, as a non-conformist.

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يمين. انا نفسي ان
oddball in a lot of ways.

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I don't like conventional
things or conventional standards

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أو الناس التقليديين
أو الملل التقليدي

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or anything along those lines.

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In fact, I, very early in
life, broke with tradition,

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وتركت يهوديتي
upper-class-orientated life in New York,

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and became a contradiction of
everything I was supposed to stand for.

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كان روي هو التعريف
من يهودي يكره نفسه.

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أراد أن يظهر ل
world that he wasn't Jewish.

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Many things he did over the years
were aimed at proving that to people.

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- When were you admitted to the bar?
- I was admitted to the bar in 1948.

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- متى...
- منذ خمس سنوات.

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- منذ خمس سنوات. 21 سنة.
- نعم يا سيدي.

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تخرج من
Columbia Law School at 20.

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لقد كان صغيرا جدا

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أنه لم يتمكن من قبوله في
لمدة عام آخر حتى بلغ 21 عامًا.

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لقد كان ذكيًا بشكل لا يصدق، بشكل لا يصدق،
وكان خبيرا في الاستفادة

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من كل اتصال كان لديه.

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كنت في وزارة العدل
ولمدة خمس سنوات،

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وعملت خلال تلك الفترة من
الوقت، بشكل مكثف للغاية

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مع المكتب الفيدرالي
التحقيق.

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لقد جذب اهتمامًا كبيرًا مع J.
إدغار هوفر في مكتب التحقيقات الفيدرالي.

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لقد فهم هوفر قيمة الزراعة
بعض المعلومات مع الصحافة.

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خدم كوهين سيده،
نقلت المعلومة،

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وأعاد هوفر المجاملة
في التوصية بكوهين كمستشار رئيسي

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لجوزيف مكارثي
لجنة سيئة السمعة

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حتى لو كان هناك واحد فقط
الشيوعي في وزارة الخارجية

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من شأنه أن يكون كذلك
شيوعي واحد أكثر من اللازم.

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مكارثي تقريبًا
صنع العصر بمفرده

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الذي أصبح فيه النقاش
الشحن والشحن المضاد.

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صعد كوهن إلى الصدارة الوطنية
كخادمة مكارثي،

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يهمس في أذنه في
أزياء تآمرية

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ونصحه بكيفية استجواب الشهود
أمام اللجنة الفرعية بالكونجرس.

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تكتيكات روي وتكتيكاته
النهج عبر مكارثي

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جعله واحدا من أكثر
الأشخاص المثيرين للجدل في البلاد.

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لا أعتقد أنك فهمت السؤال.
وكان السؤال: هل تعرف هذا الرجل؟

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هل يمكنك إلقاء نظرة على الصورة وإخبارنا؟
أفترض أن الإجابة بنعم أو لا.

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حسنا، الافتراض قليلا
مخطئ قليلا في هذه الحالة.

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أخبرنا إذا كنت تعرف
الرجل قبل المتابعة.

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- هل تعرف هذا الرجل أم لا؟
- تصريحاتك عنه

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لقد جعلت الأمر صعبا
بالنسبة لي وغير آمنة بالنسبة لي.

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وبالطبع مكارثي الذي نفكر فيه
له من حيث التحقيق مع الشيوعيين.

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لكنه وكوهن أيضًا
التحقيق مع المثليين جنسيا.

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في الأربعينيات والخمسينيات من القرن الماضي،
أن تكون مثليًا كان سرًا رهيبًا.

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وكان هذا صحيحًا بالنسبة لروي.

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من الصعب على الناس اليوم القيام بذلك
تخيل الضرر الذي أحدثه الحفاظ على هذا السر

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على الناس وحياتهم.

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ومن المؤكد أن روي كان سيفعل ذلك
everything to hide it in any way.

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في نوع من "يفعل
protest too much" manner,

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we have Cohn investigating these
homosexuals very aggressively.

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So he's all over the press.
يبدأ روي كوهن في الحصول على

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سياسية و
ملف تعريف اجتماعي.

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أصبح كوهين صديقًا للكثيرين
socially connected young men.

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بينهم...

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جي ديفيد شين،
وريث فندق ثري.

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Cohn was able to get Schine
في لجنة مكارثي.

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It's clear to me that Roy had an
interest in this beautiful David Schine

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ربما كان ذلك

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ليس تماما عن
قدرته العقلية .

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Roy and David Schine went on a
buddy trip together across Europe,

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التفتيش المختلفة
facilities, their libraries,

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attempting to ferret out any
signs of Communist infiltration.

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نحن هنا ل
جمع المعلومات،

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to double-check leads we have

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and to see a vast
عدد الأفراد

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as long as they can contribute
pertinent information or facts.

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I... We believe that the free world is
gonna win the Cold War and win this fight

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بشيء واحد: الحقيقة.

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Communists are dedicated to the
overthrow of the United States,

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who are dedicated to wiping the United
States off the face of the Earth

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and substituting the freedom we have in America
for the spiritual and mental enslavement

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you have in the Soviet Union.

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لقد أنفق روي كوهن معظم الأموال
of his life studying law.

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And finally, in his mid-20s,

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he has the kind of romantic
سحق أو إكراه

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that most people have for the
first time in high school.

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But Roy Cohn happens to have it when he's
chief counsel for the McCarthy committee.

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Joseph McCarthy himself said that he never
saw Roy Cohn irrational about anything

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باستثناء جي ديفيد شين.

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Roy liked to do favors for friends,
even when it was inappropriate.

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So when his friend David Schine
was drafted into the Army,

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حاول روي الحصول عليه
معاملة خاصة.

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And he pulled all the strings he
يمكن أن تسحب. لقد كان يسحب الخيوط.

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This is the way things worked in the
Bronx, in Manhattan politics.

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It's not the way things worked in the Army, and
the Army was not gonna have any part of it.

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وهذا ما دفع
جلسات الاستماع بين الجيش ومكارثي.

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Early in 1954, Senator McCarthy
said there were Communists

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in the United States Army

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وأنهم كانوا
يجري الحماية.

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The Army replied that his charges were a
form of pressure to get special favors,

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including a direct commission for G.
ديفيد شين,

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a very special Army private
and former McCarthy assistant.

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The Army-McCarthy hearings
pit the United States Army

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ضد جو مكارثي
وروي كوهن.

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Coho's willing to do anything in order to
get more quality time with G. David Schine.

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That's what the Army-McCarthy
وكانت جلسات الاستماع حول.

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<i>It was televised,
and 20 million stunned Americans</i>

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looked on for 36 days at the greatest
political spectacle of our history.

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A new variable had entered our
political life: television.

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Thank you very much, Mr. Welch,
and thank you, Mr. Jenkins.

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- على الرحب والسعة.
- السيد كوهين...

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I think you are conducting a
little one-sided interview here,

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and that's perfectly all right with me, sir.
I'll tell you what I have to say on the...

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على الشاهد
الوقوف تحت القسم.

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حسنًا، شكرًا لك. كان ذلك روي
Cohn and his opinion of the interview.

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You can read the Army-McCarthy hearings
as the original reality TV moment,

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لأن لديك ما
هي دراما مفتوحة

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مع طاقم من
شخصيات مكررة،

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but you really don't know
ماذا سيحدث.

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سوف اللجنة
يرجى الحضور للطلب.

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I understand the secretary
من الجيش هنا

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كشاهد أول.

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يعتقد روي أن ديف
ينبغي أن يكون جنرالا

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and operate from a penthouse
في والدورف أستوريا،

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أو كلام بهذا المعنى

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I asked him what would happen
if Schine got overseas duty.

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- You were breaking the news gently, Mr. Adams?
- نعم يا سيدي. هذا صحيح.

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I think I observe on Colonel Bradley's
face a faint little look of pleasure.

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- هل يا سيدي؟
- I would say that Colonel... I...

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أنت وديفيد شين

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have been what we might call warm
personal friends, have you not?

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- He is one of my many good friends, sir, yes.
- One of your many good friends.

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And in all fairness, Mr. Cohn, isn't it a
fact that he is one of your best friends?

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We all have our best friends. هناك
no criticism of you on that account.

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- No, of course not, sir.
- We have friends whom we love. أفعل.

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كان هناك الكثير من
snide, homophobic comments

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that were leveled at both Cohn
and Schine and at McCarthy.

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هل فكرت بهذا
جاء من الجني؟

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Will counsel, for my benefit, define...
I think he might be an expert on that,

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00:24:43,565 --> 00:24:46,398
- ما هو الجني؟
- نعم. نعم. يجب أن أقول...

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I should say, Mr. Senator, that a
pixie is a close relative of a fairy.

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With the word "fairy," the subtext
of the Army-McCarthy hearings

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يتم التحدث بصوت عالٍ.

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But it isn't true that you'd lose
your head now when Dave Schine's name

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- مذكور و...
- ذلك...

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That is completely untrue, sir.

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McCarthy launched a counterattack
من خلال إبراز الحقيقة

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that one of Welch's associates had been a
member of an alleged Communist organization.

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Senator, may we not drop this?

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دعونا لا نغتال
this lad further, Senator.

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- دعونا...
- لقد فعلت ما يكفي.

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Cohn knows that this is the moment
that Joseph Welch is seizing

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to finally give the blast at McCarthy
that everybody has been waiting for.

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ويبدأ
يتلوى في كرسيه.

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He sort of tries to gesture
إلى مكارثي لوقفه.

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- دعونا...
- لقد فعلت ما يكفي.

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هل ليس لديك أي شعور
اللياقة يا سيدي؟

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أخيرًا،
have you left no sense of decency?

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That caught the conscience of the country
and ended with McCarthy being discredited.

348
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,579
Indeed, they were both discredited
as a result of Joseph Welch's

349
00:26:31,673 --> 00:26:33,584
"Have you no sense of decency?"

350
00:26:35,886 --> 00:26:39,345
يعلن الكرسي هذه
hearings adjourned sine die.

351
00:26:51,527 --> 00:26:52,733
المكارثية.

352
00:26:54,154 --> 00:26:56,987
أنا لا أشير إلى
عضو مجلس الشيوخ من ولاية ويسكونسن.

353
00:26:57,074 --> 00:27:02,660
He's only important in that his name has
taken on a dictionary meaning in the world.

354
00:27:02,746 --> 00:27:06,580
وهذا المعنى هو
فساد الحقيقة،

355
00:27:06,667 --> 00:27:10,831
التخلي عن لدينا
historical devotion to fair play.

356
00:27:10,921 --> 00:27:14,835
إنه التخلي
للإجراءات القانونية الواجبة.

357
00:27:14,925 --> 00:27:16,586
It is the use of a big lie

358
00:27:16,677 --> 00:27:19,590
and the unfounded accusation
ضد اي مواطن

359
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,638
باسم
Americanism and security.

360
00:27:22,724 --> 00:27:26,718
It is the rise to power of the
demagogue who lives on untruth.

361
00:27:26,812 --> 00:27:32,524
It is the spread of fear and the destruction
of faith in every level of our society.

362
00:27:37,865 --> 00:27:42,780
What a demagogue does is throw out
information that they know is salacious,

363
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:46,238
ملفتة للانتباه
والعناوين الرئيسية.

364
00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:50,745
وأثبت روي ذلك في
فترة مكارثي.

365
00:27:57,050 --> 00:28:02,887
Roy Cohn knew how to take a bad situation
and absolutely make the most of it.

366
00:28:02,973 --> 00:28:06,216
بغض النظر عما يحدث،
no matter how defeated you are,

367
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:10,520
no matter how deeply you wind
up in the muck, claim victory.

368
00:28:10,606 --> 00:28:15,021
I can't help but feel that Roy Cohn
has won a really great victory.

369
00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:31,499
His persona as this slick,
ربما الزيتية قليلا،

370
00:28:31,585 --> 00:28:35,749
but really razor-sharp lawyer
has been carved in stone.

371
00:28:37,424 --> 00:28:40,041
And that's what he's going to
be for the rest of his career.

372
00:28:41,053 --> 00:28:44,796
No more shuttling between New
York and Washington for Roy Cohn.

373
00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:48,224
المحامي الشاب,
who befriended Private David Schine,

374
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:49,675
has handed in his resignation

375
00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:52,853
as chief counsel to the Senate
Permanent Investigation Subcommittee

376
00:28:52,940 --> 00:28:54,101
برئاسة مكارثي.

377
00:28:54,191 --> 00:28:55,272
السبب؟

378
00:28:55,359 --> 00:29:00,775
He insisted that all members of the group
want him to stay on, and this was not so.

379
00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:02,104
أما بالنسبة للمستقبل،

380
00:29:02,199 --> 00:29:06,318
Cohn says that he will wage a personal fight
against Communism wherever he finds it.

381
00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:27,134
New York in the 1950s was a
cutthroat place to make money.

382
00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:30,759
تعمل عائلات المافيا
pretty much as they wanted.

383
00:29:30,852 --> 00:29:33,514
كان رجال الشرطة على
خذ اليسار واليمين.

384
00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:38,691
It was unbelievably corrupt at every level,
right up to the very top in business.

385
00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:42,441
بالنسبة لروي كوهن،
كانت هذه كاندي لاند.

386
00:29:46,994 --> 00:29:49,827
أعتقد أنه كان يحاول
ليشق طريقه

387
00:29:49,913 --> 00:29:53,998
to the very top echelon of American
society, one way or the other.

388
00:30:03,176 --> 00:30:06,259
جزء من نيويورك
المجتمع في ذلك الوقت..

389
00:30:06,346 --> 00:30:10,465
was preoccupied with getting the
right table, going to the right place,

390
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:12,675
مدعو ل
الوظيفة الصحيحة.

391
00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:17,513
نادي ستورك, 21,

392
00:30:18,567 --> 00:30:20,023
داني إخفاء الطريق.

393
00:30:21,695 --> 00:30:28,317
Roy always surrounded himself with womanizers
and the gorgeous women who came with them.

394
00:30:31,997 --> 00:30:34,659
لكن روي تصرف كما لو كان
لم يكونوا هناك.

395
00:30:35,751 --> 00:30:37,537
They were really decorations.

396
00:30:43,550 --> 00:30:46,588
أصبح محاميا
في الممارسة الخاصة.

397
00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:50,512
His partner was Thomas Bolan,

398
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:53,842
who had close ties with the
أبرشية نيويورك.

399
00:30:55,854 --> 00:30:58,312
كان لكوهين علاقات وثيقة
مع الكاردينال سبيلمان.

400
00:30:59,107 --> 00:31:02,065
Of course, the position of the
Church at that time, as it is now,

401
00:31:02,152 --> 00:31:04,439
was staunchly anti-Communist.

402
00:31:05,822 --> 00:31:08,484
كانوا بحاجة إلى شخص ما
bring business into the firm,

403
00:31:08,575 --> 00:31:10,361
وكان ذلك روي كوهن.

404
00:31:12,662 --> 00:31:18,123
He took his cutthroat D.C. tactics and
started applying them in corporate America,

405
00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:21,123
على حساب
الجميع في طريقه.

406
00:31:21,213 --> 00:31:25,047
ولم يستطع أن يأتي
العودة من جو مكارثي,

407
00:31:25,217 --> 00:31:28,255
so he just embraced it more.

408
00:31:31,473 --> 00:31:34,386
ما أنت عنه
لنرى هو سري للغاية.

409
00:31:35,477 --> 00:31:39,971
The first official test of the powerful
new Lionel Turbo Missile Firing Car.

410
00:31:40,065 --> 00:31:44,525
في الخمسينيات،
Roy had his eye on a family business.

411
00:31:44,611 --> 00:31:50,152
His great-uncle was a Lionel,
and he had founded Lionel Trains.

412
00:31:51,159 --> 00:31:52,695
It was a thriving company.

413
00:31:54,162 --> 00:31:58,827
Remember, boy, you're the boss of
the greatest action cars ever created

414
00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:01,454
when you own Lionel trains.

415
00:32:01,545 --> 00:32:06,381
Roy, over the course of several months,
acquired about 200,000 shares of stock,

416
00:32:06,466 --> 00:32:08,707
والازدهار،
he took over the company.

417
00:32:08,802 --> 00:32:12,545
It took not more than a few years
until he drove it into the ground.

418
00:32:12,639 --> 00:32:17,759
He was so full of himself,
and he did not care about the family.

419
00:32:17,853 --> 00:32:21,938
But he was known to people as the person
who was in charge of the big company.

420
00:32:29,448 --> 00:32:34,864
For a period of years, the first years I
was with him, we were a powerful law firm.

421
00:32:36,788 --> 00:32:39,655
كان روي جدا
عدواني وذكي جدًا.

422
00:32:40,667 --> 00:32:42,283
محامٍ قدير جدًا.

423
00:32:43,295 --> 00:32:48,836
He prepared at the last minute,
but he had a perfect memory.

424
00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:53,464
We'd get in the limousine going
down to court, and he'd say,

425
00:32:53,555 --> 00:32:55,592
"الآن، أخبرني مرة أخرى،
من هو العميل؟"

426
00:32:55,682 --> 00:32:59,641
And he'd get up there like he'd
been immersed in the case for years.

427
00:32:59,728 --> 00:33:02,060
لقد كان ذلك فقط
جيد فيما فعله.

428
00:33:04,566 --> 00:33:08,230
لكن الصورة الكبيرة
كان أكثر تعقيدا.

429
00:33:09,237 --> 00:33:12,775
He just didn't play by the rule book,
and you learned that very quickly.

430
00:33:16,578 --> 00:33:20,162
مع الوقت،
Roy became more and more powerful,

431
00:33:20,248 --> 00:33:23,115
and more and more ruthless.

432
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:27,704
He subjected everybody around him
to potential criminal liability.

433
00:33:29,549 --> 00:33:32,507
على سبيل المثال، كنت،
أعتقد 25 سنة.

434
00:33:32,594 --> 00:33:34,926
I had about $35 in the bank.

435
00:33:35,013 --> 00:33:37,880
And I was made the director
أحد البنوك في شيكاغو،

436
00:33:37,974 --> 00:33:41,968
كما كان بعض منا
associates for other banks.

437
00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:45,641
I remember the first
تقرير مدقق الحسابات،

438
00:33:45,732 --> 00:33:49,771
basically saying, "What happened to
المال؟ أين كل الأموال؟"

439
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:53,938
There was always something of
that criminal nature going on.

440
00:34:11,132 --> 00:34:13,624
- Let me talk to you about your boat.
- بالتأكيد.

441
00:34:13,718 --> 00:34:18,884
- تمام. The boat sunk off Florida.
- Okay, it was not my boat.

442
00:34:18,974 --> 00:34:21,011
It was owned by a corporation.

443
00:34:21,101 --> 00:34:24,719
وتم تأجيرها
بدوام جزئي من قبل الشركة.

444
00:34:24,813 --> 00:34:29,307
A crew member's killed on a
boat that many considered yours.

445
00:34:29,401 --> 00:34:31,062
لذلك لم يكن قاربي.

446
00:34:38,201 --> 00:34:40,693
عندما كنت طفلاً،
I would go with my grandmother,

447
00:34:40,787 --> 00:34:44,997
because Roy would have her
birthday party on his yacht,

448
00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:46,949
الذي رست
في هامبتونز.

449
00:34:47,043 --> 00:34:48,454
كان يسمى التحدي.

450
00:34:49,588 --> 00:34:53,877
سنة واحدة، كان هناك هذا
mysterious fire on Defiance...

451
00:34:55,844 --> 00:34:58,085
الذي حدث أن يكون
insured for a lot of money.

452
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,842
أحد أفراد الطاقم
قتل في تلك النار.

453
00:35:07,647 --> 00:35:13,438
There were serious questions about
whether Roy had a hand in burning the boat

454
00:35:13,528 --> 00:35:15,314
in order to get the insurance.

455
00:35:17,324 --> 00:35:20,817
هل كان حريقًا متعمدًا؟ هل كان روي متصلاً؟

456
00:35:25,498 --> 00:35:29,867
The name of the crew member was
Charles Martensen, he was 21,

457
00:35:29,961 --> 00:35:34,421
ووالده
who I've talked to... Um...

458
00:35:35,008 --> 00:35:39,468
In effect... Not in effect, just out
and out thinks you murdered his son.

459
00:35:39,554 --> 00:35:43,548
- He thinks I murdered his son?
- To get the insurance on the boat.

460
00:35:43,642 --> 00:35:46,555
حسنا، بالطبع،
let's look at it this way.

461
00:35:46,645 --> 00:35:51,060
A, I didn't own the boat.
B, I didn't get the insurance.

462
00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:54,312
ج- البيان هو
الباطل الفاحش.

463
00:35:54,402 --> 00:35:58,771
Four, how am I gonna get angry
at a man who lost his son?

464
00:35:58,865 --> 00:36:03,234
Uh... Couldn't be sorrier for
him and for what happened.

465
00:36:05,955 --> 00:36:08,367
Like a lot of things with Roy,

466
00:36:08,458 --> 00:36:11,746
تلك الأسئلة مسكونة
تلك الحالة وذاك..

467
00:36:11,836 --> 00:36:15,454
The mystery of what happened
to the young man and that boat.

468
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:23,504
It just got to a point where they
were crazier and crazier and crazier,

469
00:36:23,598 --> 00:36:25,760
وبلغت ذروتها في له
لائحة الاتهام الأولى.

470
00:36:28,436 --> 00:36:34,273
<i>It was a 10-count indictment,
charging me with perjury,</i>

471
00:36:34,359 --> 00:36:40,901
obstruction of justice and with a conspiracy
to commit perjury and to obstruct justice.

472
00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:43,982
وكان عن أ
لائحة اتهام مكونة من 48 صفحة.

473
00:36:44,077 --> 00:36:48,446
Everything bad that happened to
Roy during my years at his firm

474
00:36:48,581 --> 00:36:53,246
was attributed to Robert Morgenthau,
who was then the U.S. attorney.

475
00:36:53,336 --> 00:36:58,672
Cohn viewed all the three Morgenthau
indictments as a vendetta.

476
00:36:58,758 --> 00:37:00,590
وكان جدا
النزاع العام.

477
00:37:04,347 --> 00:37:09,808
If there's a defendant around who hasn't been
propositioned by Mr. Morgenthau's office

478
00:37:09,894 --> 00:37:15,765
to furnish some kind of information on me
in return for a deal, I haven't met him.

479
00:37:15,859 --> 00:37:19,352
He's the only person I've ever met
who actually enjoyed being indicted,

480
00:37:19,446 --> 00:37:21,858
لأنه أعطاه
منصة للهجوم.

481
00:37:21,948 --> 00:37:25,236
A federal grand jury in New
York today indicted Roy Cohn

482
00:37:25,326 --> 00:37:27,818
بتهمة الاحتيال
والمؤامرة.

483
00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:31,200
يمكن الحكم على كوهين
إلى 38 سنة في السجن

484
00:37:31,291 --> 00:37:35,785
وغرامة قدرها 55000 دولار إذا
أدين بكل التهم.

485
00:37:35,879 --> 00:37:40,464
I can't imagine the kind of pressure
he was under while this was going on,

486
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:43,008
لكنه لم يظهر ذلك قط.

487
00:37:43,094 --> 00:37:46,303
There was a confidence about
له الذي كان لا يتزعزع.

488
00:37:47,849 --> 00:37:51,217
He managed to get out
من الصعوبات القانونية

489
00:37:51,311 --> 00:37:54,724
بطرق لا تكاد تكون كذلك
يمكن لمحامي آخر أن يفعل ذلك.

490
00:37:55,982 --> 00:37:57,643
لقد كان ساحرًا قانونيًا.

491
00:37:57,734 --> 00:37:59,850
إذا كان السيد مورغنثاو
لقد كانوا صادقين،

492
00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:03,812
he could have done this at the same time
he did the last indictment 60 days ago.

493
00:38:03,907 --> 00:38:09,027
But if he did it that way, he wouldn't have been
able to get two smear news stories against me,

494
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,702
وهو ما فقط
يحب أن يفعل.

495
00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:12,780
And after this third indictment,

496
00:38:12,874 --> 00:38:15,286
لا أعتقد أن هناك
too many people left around

497
00:38:15,376 --> 00:38:20,712
who don't realize that this all
is Mr. Morgenthau's vendetta.

498
00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:27,086
In his own trial involving the
Fifth Avenue Coach Company,

499
00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:29,592
his lawyer had a heart attack.

500
00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:34,601
نهض روي وسلم
دفاعه الخاص.

501
00:38:34,687 --> 00:38:39,102
Seven hours of his own defense
without looking at a note.

502
00:38:40,193 --> 00:38:43,686
استمر كوهين في الاستئناف
إلى الوطنية.

503
00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:47,023
قال : أحب
United States of America",

504
00:38:47,116 --> 00:38:51,405
and I can't believe that most of
the people in this great country

505
00:38:51,496 --> 00:38:54,955
أعتقد أنني أستطيع من أي وقت مضى
commit a criminal act.”

506
00:38:56,668 --> 00:38:59,251
إنه يكذب فقط
لإنقاذ جلده.

507
00:39:01,047 --> 00:39:04,256
لقد كان هائلا
التأثير على هيئة المحلفين.

508
00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:09,883
The foreman of the jury came back the next
day wearing an American flag in his lapel.

509
00:39:11,266 --> 00:39:15,100
وتمت تبرئته.
I mean, he was really the Teflon fraud.

510
00:39:18,648 --> 00:39:22,516
This is just the most relieved
and happy moment of my life.

511
00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:24,396
والطريقة التي أشعر بها هي

512
00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:27,696
the way I feel every day in my
life, which is God bless America.

513
00:39:49,637 --> 00:39:54,928
Roy Cohn understood the political
value of wrapping yourself in the flag.

514
00:39:57,061 --> 00:40:03,433
It's not surprising that he would meet with
reporters and say, "God bless America."

515
00:40:03,526 --> 00:40:05,688
He always made very good copy.

516
00:40:26,799 --> 00:40:31,418
Cohn was, in part, powerful not
just because he was a good lawyer

517
00:40:31,512 --> 00:40:32,877
ومحامي قاتل.

518
00:40:32,972 --> 00:40:35,384
He was also powerful because
he had press relationships.

519
00:40:35,475 --> 00:40:40,390
And the press was beholden to him
because he was feeding them information.

520
00:40:41,731 --> 00:40:44,974
This gave him a dimension
beyond just being a lawyer.

521
00:40:45,068 --> 00:40:49,483
Roy knew how to shape events
الذي كان متورطا فيه

522
00:40:49,572 --> 00:40:52,815
من خلال التلاعب به
من الصحافة.

523
00:40:55,328 --> 00:40:59,117
Roy Cohn had learned his lessons
from the McCarthy era well.

524
00:40:59,207 --> 00:41:03,075
He learned the press will
accurately quote whatever you say.

525
00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:05,627
العناوين و
قمة القصة،

526
00:41:05,713 --> 00:41:08,375
and a lot of people don't read
beyond the first few paragraphs,

527
00:41:08,466 --> 00:41:10,878
would be your version of events.

528
00:41:13,221 --> 00:41:17,465
Cohn had a coterie of reporters,

529
00:41:17,558 --> 00:41:22,177
نوع من السابقين
and precursors of Fox News,

530
00:41:22,271 --> 00:41:24,638
لمن يريد
معلومات تسرب.

531
00:41:27,986 --> 00:41:32,480
He would sit back at the dining-room
table, and he would actually dictate copy

532
00:41:32,573 --> 00:41:35,190
لكل من نيويورك
بوست والأخبار اليومية.

533
00:41:35,284 --> 00:41:40,950
"Period, paragraph, new paragraph,
comma, exclamation point."

534
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,077
I've never seen anybody do that.

535
00:41:48,423 --> 00:41:53,088
منذ البداية،
لقد حاول اختياري.

536
00:41:53,177 --> 00:41:57,421
He would give me horrible
اشياء عن الناس,

537
00:41:57,515 --> 00:42:00,473
وأنا لن أفعل ذلك
إيلاء أي اهتمام.

538
00:42:02,103 --> 00:42:05,971
لكنه أخبرني كثيرًا
من الأشياء التي لا تصدق.

539
00:42:13,156 --> 00:42:16,114
لقد تم استهلاكه
مع القوة الدافعة

540
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,489
ليجعل نفسه مشهوراً،
to be with famous people,

541
00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:22,491
to make himself powerful.

542
00:42:24,042 --> 00:42:25,703
That was where the motives were.

543
00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:46,678
في عام 1927، عم روي،

544
00:42:46,773 --> 00:42:50,687
بيرني ماركوس,
owned the Bank of United States.

545
00:42:50,777 --> 00:42:54,441
The Depression comes, and,
of course, many banks had trouble.

546
00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:58,406
When the stock market failed,

547
00:42:58,493 --> 00:43:02,236
the Bank of United States was
the first big bank to fail.

548
00:43:04,791 --> 00:43:06,657
There was a run on the bank.

549
00:43:07,668 --> 00:43:11,502
البنوك الوحيدة الكبيرة
بما فيه الكفاية لتغطية هذا المدى

550
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:14,377
كانت بنوك مورغان أو
بنوك روكفلر.

551
00:43:14,467 --> 00:43:18,506
But they said something to the effect, "We don't
care about the Jewish bank. دعهم يذهبون."

552
00:43:19,097 --> 00:43:23,261
There's crowds in the streets,
the bank is closed, the doors are locked.

553
00:43:23,351 --> 00:43:25,683
لقد خسر المهاجرون
كل أموالهم.

554
00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:29,889
It was tragic in the Jewish community.
It was tragic for the country.

555
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:34,985
My grandfather, Bernie Marcus,
was hauled away to Sing Sing.

556
00:43:35,071 --> 00:43:37,813
وكان ذلك
العار النهائي.

557
00:43:39,659 --> 00:43:44,574
The social shame of that to
the family was enormously deep.

558
00:43:44,664 --> 00:43:48,658
Thrown out of every country club,
thrown out of the Harmonie Club.

559
00:43:49,794 --> 00:43:53,662
There was a lot wrong with the trial
that ended up putting Bernie in prison.

560
00:43:53,756 --> 00:43:57,545
And Roy had said that if he were
Bernie's attorney at the time,

561
00:43:57,635 --> 00:44:00,127
لكان قد حصل عليه
off, and probably could have.

562
00:44:02,807 --> 00:44:07,392
That failure of his Uncle Bernie was
a huge part of what motivated Roy.

563
00:44:07,478 --> 00:44:13,645
He had to let people know that although
his uncle had lost it, he had made it.

564
00:44:25,580 --> 00:44:27,947
كان لدى روي ضخمة
مستوى المعيشة.

565
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,874
Boats, planes, the best table

566
00:44:31,961 --> 00:44:34,953
في نادي 21 أو
نادي ستورك.

567
00:44:36,465 --> 00:44:40,003
والشركة دفعت
because they were all business-related.

568
00:44:42,305 --> 00:44:47,300
You know, Roy was never a partner in the
شركة. That didn't mean anything to him.

569
00:44:47,393 --> 00:44:50,727
لقد كان روي كوهن.
أعني أنه الرئيس.

570
00:44:53,107 --> 00:44:55,064
This was the '60s and '70s,

571
00:44:55,151 --> 00:44:58,439
عندما أصبحت الشهرة
كل شيء في نيويورك.

572
00:44:58,529 --> 00:45:02,397
And this was part of his need to
have these very wealthy friends.

573
00:45:03,451 --> 00:45:05,818
His need to have a Rolls-Royce
and let everybody know it.

574
00:45:07,413 --> 00:45:10,872
في الواقع،
كان لديه سيارتان من طراز رولز رويس.

575
00:45:10,958 --> 00:45:14,792
One that was a convertible.
He always wanted the sun.

576
00:45:14,879 --> 00:45:17,541
وأن يبدو وكأنه مجرد
خرجت من ميامي بيتش.

577
00:45:20,301 --> 00:45:25,091
I think it was Aristotle Onassis who said,
"You can never be too rich or too tan."

578
00:45:25,181 --> 00:45:27,468
Roy Cohn took this to heart.

579
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:32,848
كان لديه قارب سريع،
and often during the summer,

580
00:45:32,939 --> 00:45:36,648
سيأخذ حفنة
منا حتى شارع 79.

581
00:45:36,734 --> 00:45:40,773
Now, the Hudson River was so
polluted in the late '60s.

582
00:45:40,863 --> 00:45:44,026
I mean, nobody would go 10
feet near the Hudson River.

583
00:45:44,825 --> 00:45:46,907
وذهب للتزلج على الماء.

584
00:45:46,994 --> 00:45:49,406
وذهبنا تحت
George Washington Bridge.

585
00:45:51,332 --> 00:45:55,166
لقد كان مثالياً لروي كوهن.
It was the way he lived, bigger than life.

586
00:46:04,845 --> 00:46:07,963
استولى روي على منزل فيه
المكسيك كل عام.

587
00:46:08,057 --> 00:46:11,675
And every time I would go
هناك للقاء روي،

588
00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:14,386
سيكون هناك طرق
باب مكتبي،

589
00:46:15,189 --> 00:46:21,856
and his mother Dora would bring me some
jockey shorts and cans of tuna fish.

590
00:46:21,946 --> 00:46:24,938
لذلك سيكون لدى روي ما
كان يحب طوال الوقت.

591
00:46:26,867 --> 00:46:31,077
His mother took care of him. معها،
it was, "Did you eat your breakfast?"

592
00:46:31,163 --> 00:46:34,622
"Don't listen to him. He's wrong.
أنت على حق يا روي."

593
00:46:34,709 --> 00:46:37,417
سحقاً له،
دائما دعمه.

594
00:46:37,503 --> 00:46:40,040
أصبح قليلا
الصبي حول والدته.

595
00:46:40,131 --> 00:46:43,669
I gather he lived in fear of
Dora knowing that he was gay.

596
00:46:43,759 --> 00:46:47,548
Now, that's an odd thing,
because he was in his 30s and 40s,

597
00:46:47,638 --> 00:46:49,128
but Dora chose not to see it.

598
00:46:52,727 --> 00:46:56,721
بعد وفاة والدته،
things changed very rapidly.

599
00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:59,932
زميل الذي قاد
اختفت سيارته.

600
00:47:00,026 --> 00:47:02,563
كان هناك سائق جديد
أكثر وسامة.

601
00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:06,358
وكان هناك جديد
قائد اليخت,

602
00:47:06,449 --> 00:47:08,156
أيضا أكثر وسامة.

603
00:47:10,703 --> 00:47:13,866
تم تعليق روي
نوع معين.

604
00:47:15,291 --> 00:47:18,500
I was his epitome of looks,
like, you know, the very...

605
00:47:18,586 --> 00:47:23,171
He liked blond-haired, you know,
Nordic look, like David Schine.

606
00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:30,254
Even the lawyers he would hire...
لقد كانوا مستقيمين،

607
00:47:30,348 --> 00:47:34,012
but they were that type of look.

608
00:47:36,729 --> 00:47:40,017
روي ومكتب المحاماة
ساكس وبيكون وبولان

609
00:47:40,107 --> 00:47:43,566
انتقل إلى العلوي
تاون هاوس الجانب الشرقي.

610
00:47:43,652 --> 00:47:45,268
في شارع 68 شرق

611
00:47:45,363 --> 00:47:47,730
الذي كان
كتلة يتوهم بفظاعة.

612
00:47:47,823 --> 00:47:50,656
أعتقد أنه كان بين
ماديسون وبارك.

613
00:47:51,744 --> 00:47:55,408
The idea that it was an office and
a residence was a little unusual.

614
00:47:56,207 --> 00:47:58,244
You'd meet in the living room.

615
00:47:58,334 --> 00:48:00,701
أو سوف تجتمع في بلده
غرفة النوم التي كانت

616
00:48:00,795 --> 00:48:03,002
أعتقد، في الرابع
أرضية المبنى.

617
00:48:03,089 --> 00:48:05,751
He'd be in a bathrobe, and he...

618
00:48:05,841 --> 00:48:07,798
هذه هي الطريقة
تم إجراء الأعمال.

619
00:48:08,886 --> 00:48:10,968
What I saw were two Cohns.

620
00:48:11,055 --> 00:48:15,595
في بدلة وربطة عنق،
he was Roy Cohn, killer lawyer.

621
00:48:16,852 --> 00:48:18,217
في شقته...

622
00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:23,064
أتذكر أنني كنت أفكر،
this is a different Roy Cohn.

623
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:25,187
إنه يترك نفسه.

624
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:36,528
My recorder is going, and I said,
"Roy, let me ask you a question."

625
00:48:36,622 --> 00:48:40,411
كثير من الناس الذين لقد
talked to have said to me,

626
00:48:40,501 --> 00:48:43,539
"هل تعلم ذلك
روي مثلي الجنس؟"

627
00:48:47,049 --> 00:48:48,835
وقفة طويلة.

628
00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:52,760
He didn't answer for seconds.
I mean, maybe five, six seconds.

629
00:48:55,391 --> 00:48:57,223
<ط>أنا...أنا...
would answer you this way.</i>

630
00:48:57,309 --> 00:49:00,597
أي شخص يعرفني،
or knows anything about me,

631
00:49:00,688 --> 00:49:03,055
أو من يعرف
طريقة عمل عقلي،

632
00:49:03,149 --> 00:49:07,894
would have an awfully hard
تصالح الوقت اه...

633
00:49:07,987 --> 00:49:12,606
أنه مع أي نوع من،
اه اه الشذوذ الجنسي.

634
00:49:13,534 --> 00:49:17,198
بعبارة أخرى،
every facet of my personality,

635
00:49:17,288 --> 00:49:22,078
my aggressiveness and my toughness,
and everything along those lines,

636
00:49:22,168 --> 00:49:28,255
is just totally, I suppose,
incompatible with anything like that.

637
00:49:28,340 --> 00:49:31,628
But he didn't say he was,
لم يقل أنه لم يكن كذلك.

638
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,380
لكنه ارتبك،

639
00:49:33,471 --> 00:49:35,929
الذي أعطاني عظيما
كمية من المتعة.

640
00:49:36,932 --> 00:49:40,050
لأنه بطريقة ما،
كنت أفعل له،

641
00:49:40,144 --> 00:49:42,135
in this personal interview,

642
00:49:42,229 --> 00:49:44,687
what he had done to people
in the McCarthy hearings,

643
00:49:44,773 --> 00:49:48,186
putting them on the spot. "هل أنت الآن،
or have you ever been a Communist?"

644
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:54,443
I wanna ask you about this.
To me, the nicest thing...

645
00:49:54,783 --> 00:49:56,194
لنكن إيجابيين.

646
00:49:56,285 --> 00:49:59,403
The nicest thing that I have
ever heard about Joe McCarthy

647
00:49:59,497 --> 00:50:01,955
قال لي السيناتور
فلاندرز فيرمونت,

648
00:50:02,041 --> 00:50:04,954
that he was a full-time homosexual.
هل هذا صحيح؟

649
00:50:05,044 --> 00:50:07,752
No. I'm sure you think that
merited a badge of honor,

650
00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:08,953
ولكن هذا ليس صحيحا.

651
00:50:09,048 --> 00:50:12,131
Well, I'm getting to you in a minute,
but what about Senator McCarthy?

652
00:50:12,218 --> 00:50:15,461
Sure, you... I mean, that's your favorite
topic of conversation, I know that.

653
00:50:15,554 --> 00:50:18,592
- I know... Aroused by the obvious.
- بالمناسبة... أعرف.

654
00:50:19,683 --> 00:50:21,970
He was a very hypocritical guy.

655
00:50:22,061 --> 00:50:25,144
كان مخطوبًا ل
while to Barbara Walters.

656
00:50:25,231 --> 00:50:27,438
نحن نتزوج
عندما نكون على حد سواء 60.

657
00:50:28,651 --> 00:50:32,485
كان لديها هي وروي
كبرت معًا،

658
00:50:32,571 --> 00:50:35,404
and she never deserted him.

659
00:50:35,491 --> 00:50:38,654
لكنها كانت منزعجة
بواسطة روي يتجول

660
00:50:38,744 --> 00:50:41,953
saying he was gonna marry her.

661
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:44,406
She knew that was absurd.

662
00:50:48,254 --> 00:50:52,418
هذا هو الرجل الذي كان ظاهريا مليونير،
one of the most powerful people in New York.

663
00:50:52,508 --> 00:50:56,342
There was a little Disney sign that
said "Roy" on it on his bedroom door.

664
00:50:57,346 --> 00:50:59,633
فتحت الباب...
لقد رأيته مرة واحدة فقط،

665
00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:01,589
لكن الباب انفتح
وكانت هناك مرآة.

666
00:51:01,684 --> 00:51:05,222
كنت صغيرا. I didn't know that people had
mirrors on the ceilings of their bedrooms.

667
00:51:05,312 --> 00:51:10,227
So there was a mirror there, a huge bed, and
there were just people in and out all day long.

668
00:51:10,317 --> 00:51:14,311
Which is also a kind of recreation
room and office and gallery

669
00:51:14,405 --> 00:51:16,316
for his collection of frogs.

670
00:51:16,407 --> 00:51:20,742
Roy had a lot of miniature
animals and stuffed animals

671
00:51:20,828 --> 00:51:22,159
والأشياء التي...

672
00:51:22,246 --> 00:51:25,364
في شقته ذلك
لن تتوقع...

673
00:51:26,959 --> 00:51:28,245
المحامي القاتل أن يكون.

674
00:51:28,335 --> 00:51:30,542
He admits to a certain vanity,

675
00:51:30,629 --> 00:51:33,712
religious about doing his
200 تمرين اعتصام كل يوم.

676
00:51:33,799 --> 00:51:38,384
All this while dictating to his
male secretary, Vincent Millard.

677
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:40,882
Did you remember I had a lunch
date with Barbara Walters?

678
00:51:40,973 --> 00:51:42,179
- متى يكون ذلك؟
- اليوم.

679
00:51:44,435 --> 00:51:47,518
Every time I had a meal with
him, he didn't order very much,

680
00:51:47,605 --> 00:51:49,596
and sometimes he didn't order.

681
00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:52,899
بأصابعه،
he would take food off my plate.

682
00:51:52,985 --> 00:51:56,819
If you're Roy and you're always doing
exercise and you're always staying thin,

683
00:51:56,905 --> 00:51:59,647
and yet you eat off of somebody's
لوحة، فإنه لا يعول.

684
00:51:59,742 --> 00:52:01,153
انها مثل كل شيء
في حياته.

685
00:52:01,243 --> 00:52:04,952
There was this image, and then there was
reality, which totally contradicted it.

686
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:10,583
He had a really bad facelift,

687
00:52:10,669 --> 00:52:16,005
with these enormous gashes,
and stitches on the side of his face.

688
00:52:16,091 --> 00:52:19,800
You'd say, "Roy, did you have
عملية جراحية؟" And he said, "No, not me.

689
00:52:19,887 --> 00:52:21,594
لماذا؟ أشعر أنني بحالة جيدة."

690
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,923
So, I mean, he would even deny
that he'd had this surgery

691
00:52:25,017 --> 00:52:28,055
عندما كان ينبغي أن يكون
home in bed with ice on lit.

692
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,012
He was very vain in that sense.

693
00:52:33,442 --> 00:52:35,729
كان هناك غريب
التناقض حول روي.

694
00:52:35,819 --> 00:52:39,653
He was totally ugly and totally
charismatic at the same time.

695
00:52:52,378 --> 00:52:56,372
A lot of people say they see you
with a lot of good-looking young men.

696
00:52:57,424 --> 00:53:00,837
أنا أحب الشباب.
ليس هناك شك في ذلك.

697
00:53:00,928 --> 00:53:04,011
! like being around young people.
إنهم أكثر متعة.

698
00:53:09,561 --> 00:53:15,056
The people that he had sex with
were not very well-educated,

699
00:53:15,150 --> 00:53:18,393
did not come from good families.

700
00:53:18,487 --> 00:53:22,196
كان ذلك منفصلاً
جزء من حياته.

701
00:53:26,370 --> 00:53:28,782
He had to have sex every day.
كل يوم.

702
00:53:28,872 --> 00:53:31,204
ويفضل مع
شخص كان جديدا.

703
00:53:37,423 --> 00:53:39,380
لقد تناول الكثير من الفاليوم.

704
00:53:40,676 --> 00:53:44,715
He'd get so frustrated with
those childproof bottles.

705
00:53:44,805 --> 00:53:47,467
لقد كان دائما...
"Can you open this thing?"

706
00:53:47,558 --> 00:53:51,096
And it wasn't, like, one pill. لقد كان مثل،
just dump them in there and take them.

707
00:53:54,898 --> 00:53:58,482
In the end of the evening,
ذهبت لأخذ الفحم الخاص بي،

708
00:53:58,569 --> 00:54:02,654
وكان، مثل،
stuffed full of hundred-dollar bills.

709
00:54:02,740 --> 00:54:06,529
Every time I reached into a pocket,
there was several hundred-dollar bills.

710
00:54:10,956 --> 00:54:12,742
وعندما غادر الجميع،

711
00:54:12,833 --> 00:54:15,951
سأدخل وأستلقي
down on the bed with him,

712
00:54:16,044 --> 00:54:18,456
ومثل،
I'd look up at the mirror,

713
00:54:18,547 --> 00:54:21,164
and he would look up at the
mirror, and we would talk.

714
00:54:23,927 --> 00:54:27,010
سألته،
"So are you the girl or the boy?"

715
00:54:27,097 --> 00:54:28,929
And he said, "I'm the girl."

716
00:54:32,227 --> 00:54:37,472
There were rumors that he was picking
up male prostitutes all around the city.

717
00:54:46,325 --> 00:54:49,818
لقد كان حقا أ
شخصية في حالة من الفوضى.

718
00:54:51,205 --> 00:54:53,492
A personality in anarchy.

719
00:54:55,834 --> 00:55:01,045
Which had no rules, it had no
scruples, it had no boundaries.

720
00:55:03,050 --> 00:55:06,338
لقد كان شخصًا
عاش على الحافة.

721
00:55:06,428 --> 00:55:10,171
And he enjoyed living on the
edge, because it was dangerous.

722
00:55:35,707 --> 00:55:38,699
The power politics of New
يورك، بنك الحسنات،

723
00:55:38,794 --> 00:55:41,536
كان مرتبطا بشكل وثيق جدا
إلى الجريمة المنظمة.

724
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:46,124
And this was a milieu in which
Roy Cohn fit in perfectly.

725
00:55:46,218 --> 00:55:48,550
- Then tell me what direction.
- You got 50 people here...

726
00:55:48,637 --> 00:55:50,969
بدأ كوهين في ذلك
تمثل رجال العصابات.

727
00:55:51,056 --> 00:55:54,390
كان يمثل كل من
عائلات نيويورك

728
00:55:54,476 --> 00:55:56,683
that controlled La Cosa Nostra.

729
00:56:03,819 --> 00:56:06,811
Galante arrived at the federal
courthouse in a long black limousine

730
00:56:06,905 --> 00:56:11,115
and walked inside, shielded from
photographers by two of his daughters.

731
00:56:11,869 --> 00:56:13,610
- اه!
- توقف. لو سمحت!

732
00:56:13,704 --> 00:56:16,196
يعتبر جالانت الآن
من قبل السلطات الفيدرالية

733
00:56:16,290 --> 00:56:18,281
باعتبارها واحدة من أكثر
important men in the Mafia.

734
00:56:20,294 --> 00:56:22,956
- هيا يا أبي، اهرب!
- What are you doing here today?

735
00:56:25,465 --> 00:56:27,422
Turn around and roll, Frank.

736
00:56:27,509 --> 00:56:31,719
- هيا يا عزيزي. دعنا نذهب. دعنا نذهب.
- توقف عن دفعي!

737
00:56:36,518 --> 00:56:38,304
- Are you Mr. Galante's attorney?
- نعم.

738
00:56:38,395 --> 00:56:40,306
- And what is your name, sir?
- روي كوهن.

739
00:56:40,397 --> 00:56:43,935
Federal investigator said Mr. Galante is the
boss of organized crime in this country.

740
00:56:44,026 --> 00:56:47,269
Would that be a correct characterization,
the godfather of the New York Mafia?

741
00:56:47,362 --> 00:56:52,778
من تجربتي، عمليا كل ما لديهم
said is totally incorrect and inaccurate.

742
00:56:52,868 --> 00:56:55,576
- هل تعتقد أنهم لا يعاملون عميلك بشكل عادل؟
- عفوا؟

743
00:56:55,662 --> 00:56:59,951
No, I just said it's just a total publicity
stunt, or all of you wouldn't be here, right?

744
00:57:00,042 --> 00:57:02,124
What are you doing here today?

745
00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:03,291
أنا محام.

746
00:57:04,713 --> 00:57:09,628
He was very clever in protecting
his clients, by far and large,

747
00:57:09,718 --> 00:57:13,552
from long criminal sentences that
would put them out of business.

748
00:57:16,892 --> 00:57:22,558
Roy was assigned by the Gambino
Crime Family to represent John Gotti.

749
00:57:22,648 --> 00:57:25,640
عندما جوتي و أ
زوجين من رفاقه

750
00:57:25,734 --> 00:57:27,975
مشيت إلى الحانة

751
00:57:28,070 --> 00:57:33,736
in front of a lot of witnesses and shot
this guy in the head and killed him,

752
00:57:33,825 --> 00:57:36,567
Roy managed to get Gotti off.

753
00:57:36,662 --> 00:57:39,620
بدلا من 25 ل
الحياة على جريمة قتل,

754
00:57:39,706 --> 00:57:43,244
أدخلته في بعض
درجة القتل الخطأ

755
00:57:43,335 --> 00:57:47,294
and Gotti ended up serving
only two years in prison.

756
00:57:48,090 --> 00:57:50,297
Amazing that he did that.

757
00:57:50,384 --> 00:57:55,424
An excellent result for Gotti and
a great injustice at the same time.

758
00:57:56,598 --> 00:58:02,890
As a result of that case,
Roy had a perpetual client of the Mafia.

759
00:58:07,651 --> 00:58:12,646
Tony Salerno, recently indicted,
has long been one of Roy Coho's clients.

760
00:58:12,739 --> 00:58:16,027
توني، لقد قرأت
charges in this indictment.

761
00:58:16,118 --> 00:58:19,986
- Did you do any of those things to anyone?
- كلها كاذبة.

762
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,072
Cohn was more an advisor.

763
00:58:23,166 --> 00:58:28,536
He was the guy who whispered in the ear of the
don and told him what to say, what to do.

764
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:30,792
وكان مليئا بالنصائح.

765
00:58:30,882 --> 00:58:32,998
What are you gonna do when
يمكنك الوصول إلى البلاد؟

766
00:58:33,093 --> 00:58:36,506
Well, I mean, I planted peppers last week.
Now I'm gonna plant tomatoes.

767
00:58:36,596 --> 00:58:40,339
His name is Carmine Galante,
the late Carmine Galante,

768
00:58:40,434 --> 00:58:43,768
الذي قالت الصحف كان
the godfather of the Mafia.

769
00:58:43,854 --> 00:58:46,312
تعتقد أن هذا كان
influence on the federal judge,

770
00:58:46,398 --> 00:58:48,626
when he held that you were right
and the Parole Commission was wrong?

771
00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:51,142
- أعتقد ذلك.
- He thinks a farmer ought to be able to seed.

772
00:58:51,236 --> 00:58:55,446
أعتقد ذلك. أعني أنه جدا
well known that that's what I do.

773
00:58:55,532 --> 00:59:00,698
A few months after this meeting, he was
gunned down as he sipped a glass of wine.

774
00:59:10,338 --> 00:59:12,420
تقديم ل
كانت الخدمة روي كوهن،

775
00:59:12,507 --> 00:59:17,217
who had been Galante's lawyer through
many of the mobster's legal difficulties.

776
00:59:17,304 --> 00:59:19,921
أنا لا تمر أي أخلاقية
الحكم على السيد جالانتي

777
00:59:20,015 --> 00:59:22,598
any more than I pass a moral
judgment on anybody else,

778
00:59:22,684 --> 00:59:25,392
because that's for the Almighty to
افعل، ليس من أجلي.

779
00:59:25,479 --> 00:59:27,470
هل لديك أي فكرة
لماذا قتل؟

780
00:59:27,689 --> 00:59:28,770
اه...

781
00:59:28,899 --> 00:59:32,733
As somebody once said a long time ago is,
"All I know is what I read in the papers."

782
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:41,033
وكانت المافيا كلها
power underbelly of the city.

783
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:44,453
وكان روي لديه كل
الشبكة تحت تصرفه.

784
00:59:50,378 --> 00:59:54,337
Steinbrenner would be on line one,
and Carmine Galante would be on line two,

785
00:59:54,424 --> 00:59:58,008
and some Mafia boss who had a cement
company would be on line three,

786
00:59:58,095 --> 01:00:00,928
and somebody would be waiting,
Roger Stone would be in the anteroom.

787
01:00:01,014 --> 01:00:04,006
And Roy wanted that attention.

788
01:00:07,938 --> 01:00:11,476
He was an only child whose
mother doted on him every second.

789
01:00:11,566 --> 01:00:15,309
And he needed that attention
بعد سنوات من وفاتها.

790
01:00:20,075 --> 01:00:22,533
There's a story about Dora

791
01:00:22,619 --> 01:00:26,613
that gives you a pretty good insight
into Roy's relationship with his mother

792
01:00:26,706 --> 01:00:28,947
and into how Roy operated.

793
01:00:33,338 --> 01:00:37,878
Every Jewish family has its own Passover
story, and our story is an unusual one.

794
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:44,429
I was the youngest child, and as
such, I had to ask the Four Questions.

795
01:00:44,516 --> 01:00:48,009
First question was, "Why is this
night different from all others?"

796
01:00:48,103 --> 01:00:50,470
And Dora finally blurted out...

797
01:00:50,564 --> 01:00:54,808
"Why is this night different?
Because the maid's dead in the kitchen!"

798
01:00:56,611 --> 01:01:01,196
Turns out the housekeeper passed
away, was in the kitchen, dead.

799
01:01:02,576 --> 01:01:06,114
And in order not to disrupt
عشاء عيد الفصح,

800
01:01:06,204 --> 01:01:10,744
Dora saw to it that the housekeeper was kept
in the kitchen under the serving table.

801
01:01:13,795 --> 01:01:18,335
She was embarrassed about how it interrupted the
Seder, not the fact that a life had been lost.

802
01:01:22,929 --> 01:01:25,170
That's totally Roy's spirit.

803
01:01:25,265 --> 01:01:28,508
افتقاده للأخلاق
افتقاره إلى التعاطف.

804
01:01:28,602 --> 01:01:29,888
لقد جاء ذلك من دورا.

805
01:01:31,646 --> 01:01:33,933
For Roy, life was transactional.

806
01:01:34,024 --> 01:01:37,062
It was all about connections
وتراكم السلطة.

807
01:01:39,946 --> 01:01:44,406
إذا قلت لك: "روي
Cohn, what are your flaws?"

808
01:01:44,492 --> 01:01:45,778
ما هي عيوبي؟

809
01:01:47,621 --> 01:01:49,612
حسنًا، سأخبرك
ما هي عيوبي.

810
01:01:49,706 --> 01:01:53,950
عيوبي تكون
بلا لبس تماما.

811
01:01:54,044 --> 01:01:57,537
I cannot listen to baloney.
نفاد الصبر.

812
01:01:59,216 --> 01:02:05,462
A total failure to sympathize with
the emotional element in life.

813
01:02:36,378 --> 01:02:41,464
The biggest business in New York then, and
it probably still is now, was real estate.

814
01:02:41,549 --> 01:02:44,007
That's where the real power was.

815
01:02:44,094 --> 01:02:49,305
He represented a number of real-estate
figures, among them Donald Trump.

816
01:02:51,017 --> 01:02:55,853
Donald Trump grows up in a household
where his father Fred is deeply mobbed up.

817
01:02:55,939 --> 01:02:58,397
شريكه التجاري،
ويلي توماسيلو,

818
01:02:58,483 --> 01:03:02,067
is an associate of the Gambino
and Genovese crime families.

819
01:03:02,153 --> 01:03:05,020
So Donald comes to Manhattan
to make a name for himself.

820
01:03:05,115 --> 01:03:08,858
ينجذب بشكل طبيعي
نحو روي كوهن،

821
01:03:08,952 --> 01:03:14,948
the consigliere for the head of the Gambino
family and the head of the Genovese family.

822
01:03:16,251 --> 01:03:17,582
إجابات قصيرة أو...؟

823
01:03:18,962 --> 01:03:21,169
Well, whatever you'd like.
لا يهم.

824
01:03:21,256 --> 01:03:24,715
- I'm not as long as Archbishop O'Connor, but...
- لا أحد.

825
01:03:26,136 --> 01:03:28,252
السيد كوهن،
how did you meet Donald Trump?

826
01:03:28,346 --> 01:03:33,261
التقيت به في نيويورك
نادي يسمى لو كلوب.

827
01:03:33,351 --> 01:03:36,719
And we were seated at tables next
لبعضهم البعض. لقد تم تقديمنا.

828
01:03:36,813 --> 01:03:39,396
He was 23 years old then.
قال: "اسمع".

829
01:03:39,482 --> 01:03:43,066
He said, "I've spent two days with
these establishment law firms"

830
01:03:43,153 --> 01:03:44,359
حول قضية لدينا."

831
01:03:44,446 --> 01:03:46,653
لقد كانت من الحقوق المدنية
حالة أو شيء من هذا.

832
01:03:46,740 --> 01:03:50,984
"And they were all telling us, give up,
do this, sign a decree and all of that."

833
01:03:51,077 --> 01:03:53,114
He says, "I followed your
مهنة، ويبدو أنك..."

834
01:03:53,204 --> 01:03:57,664
You're a little bit crazy like I am,
and you stand up to the establishment.

835
01:03:57,751 --> 01:03:59,458
Can I come see you?" And I
قال: "بالتأكيد".

836
01:04:01,379 --> 01:04:04,872
The Justice Department was going
after Fred Trump and Donald Trump

837
01:04:04,966 --> 01:04:08,049
لعدم السماح للسود
في مساكنهم.

838
01:04:08,136 --> 01:04:11,674
Rather than making a deal,
rather than admitting guilt,

839
01:04:11,765 --> 01:04:15,258
Roy said to Trump, "You need to go
full-bore after the Justice Department."

840
01:04:16,269 --> 01:04:19,432
كان روي كوهن واضحًا جدًا
ما يجب القيام به: الهجوم.

841
01:04:19,522 --> 01:04:23,390
لا تستقر.
لا تعتذر. هجوم.

842
01:04:23,485 --> 01:04:26,648
سيكون روي دائمًا من أجل
استراتيجية هجومية.

843
01:04:26,738 --> 01:04:28,524
Those are the rules of war.

844
01:04:28,615 --> 01:04:32,324
You don't fight on the other guy's ground. أنت
define what the debate is gonna be about.

845
01:04:33,453 --> 01:04:37,742
I think Donald learned that from Roy.
لقد تعلمت ذلك من روي.

846
01:04:37,832 --> 01:04:44,204
Roy Cohn began this whole new mode of
what you see today, of get off the issue,

847
01:04:44,297 --> 01:04:48,461
مهاجمة إنفاذ القانون,
attack the government, attack the press.

848
01:04:48,551 --> 01:04:52,590
Create phony issues So that you
can totally change the debate.

849
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,218
- إليكم القليل من المكارثية التي تحدث الآن.
- He shouldn't disclaim...

850
01:04:56,309 --> 01:05:00,598
I mean, total inability to cope
with any of these current topics.

851
01:05:00,688 --> 01:05:04,431
- He does it with great... With great pre...
- استمر في الحديث، روي. استمر في الحديث.

852
01:05:04,526 --> 01:05:06,108
- دقة كبيرة.
- استمر في الحديث.

853
01:05:06,194 --> 01:05:09,186
- This is known as "filler." أتعرف ماذا...أنت...
- حسنا، أنا...

854
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,148
You throw your mud, and then the filler goes
on until they've forgotten what the point was.

855
01:05:13,243 --> 01:05:17,111
They counterclaimed against the
government for $100 million.

856
01:05:18,164 --> 01:05:21,077
الآن، الدعوى المضادة
وسرعان ما تم إقالته

857
01:05:21,167 --> 01:05:23,955
but had the effect of keeping
the opponent off balance.

858
01:05:24,045 --> 01:05:26,582
لقد حاربناه،
and we did extremely well.

859
01:05:26,673 --> 01:05:28,880
For all practical purposes,
we won the case together.

860
01:05:30,260 --> 01:05:32,627
لقد استقر ترامب، لكن ذلك،
بالنسبة له كان انتصارا

861
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,882
لأنه لم يعترف
لقد فعل أي شيء خاطئ.

862
01:05:34,973 --> 01:05:37,965
وهذا متسق للغاية
بنصيحة روي.

863
01:05:38,059 --> 01:05:43,429
"Never admit you're wrong.
لا تعتذر أبدًا."

864
01:05:43,523 --> 01:05:45,105
Settling is not an apology.

865
01:05:45,191 --> 01:05:46,852
في الواقع، دونالد ترامب،
عندما يستقر،

866
01:05:46,943 --> 01:05:51,278
he often times will cast the
settlement as a victory, not a defeat.

867
01:05:51,364 --> 01:05:52,854
منذ ذلك اليوم،

868
01:05:52,949 --> 01:05:59,321
he knows I have the same kind of
crazy fight in me that he has in him,

869
01:05:59,414 --> 01:06:00,779
وهو يعلم ذلك...

870
01:06:00,874 --> 01:06:03,206
إنه يعتقد أنك تستطيع ذلك
قتال قاعة المدينة.

871
01:06:03,293 --> 01:06:05,500
أعتقد أنك تستطيع ذلك
قتال قاعة المدينة.

872
01:06:05,587 --> 01:06:07,624
And we both fought it together.

873
01:06:07,714 --> 01:06:11,833
Cohn looked at Donald Trump
as something of a protege.

874
01:06:11,926 --> 01:06:14,714
ورآه رجلاً

875
01:06:14,804 --> 01:06:19,173
who was governed by the same
sort of situational ethics.

876
01:06:19,267 --> 01:06:22,680
They were cut from the same
القماش، في كثير من النواحي.

877
01:06:24,355 --> 01:06:26,722
Roy Cohn begins teaching Donald,

878
01:06:26,816 --> 01:06:30,150
"إليك كيفية الحفاظ على القانون
enforcement off your back."

879
01:06:30,236 --> 01:06:33,069
Don't leave a paper trail.
لا تحتفظ بالتقويم.

880
01:06:33,156 --> 01:06:35,614
Never do things in writing.

881
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:39,113
And if somebody gets onto
you, rat out other people.”

882
01:06:39,204 --> 01:06:41,787
Steve, you're gonna have to
start pushing these people a bit,

883
01:06:41,873 --> 01:06:44,240
because it's getting ridiculous,
بقدر ما أشعر بالقلق.

884
01:06:44,334 --> 01:06:48,168
So just start pushing and start
pushing as hard as possible.

885
01:06:51,424 --> 01:06:56,089
Cohn taught Trump how to ingratiate
yourself with powerful people

886
01:06:56,179 --> 01:06:59,217
وكيفية التلاعب بها
لهم لأغراضك الخاصة.

887
01:07:13,821 --> 01:07:15,528
روي، انتظر هنا فحسب.

888
01:07:16,449 --> 01:07:18,907
عليك أن تجعل
رغبة خاصة جدا.

889
01:07:24,624 --> 01:07:30,745
It was like this funny game he played
that he could bring someone like me,

890
01:07:30,838 --> 01:07:37,585
you know, to these total antigay
Republican stronghold of a party, you know?

891
01:07:37,679 --> 01:07:39,920
And no one would say a word.

892
01:07:46,938 --> 01:07:50,977
أصدقاء روي كوهو
justified him as a friend.

893
01:07:51,067 --> 01:07:54,150
They knew about the McCarthy
years, the Army-McCarthy hearings,

894
01:07:54,237 --> 01:07:58,356
some of the dastardly things
ربما فعل ذلك روي.

895
01:07:58,449 --> 01:08:02,113
But that was overwhelmed by their
feeling that he was their friend,

896
01:08:02,203 --> 01:08:04,615
وصديق حقيقي
and they cared about him.

897
01:08:04,706 --> 01:08:07,198
I've tried to give loyalty,

898
01:08:07,292 --> 01:08:09,659
ولقد حاولت أن أعطي
friendship, and I find in life,

899
01:08:09,752 --> 01:08:13,746
when you extend friendship and you
extend loyalty, you get it back.

900
01:08:18,094 --> 01:08:20,927
لقد كان هو الذي
أقاموا الحفلات الكبرى،

901
01:08:21,014 --> 01:08:23,631
من كان يعرف نورمان ميلر،
who hung out with Andy Warhol.

902
01:08:23,725 --> 01:08:27,184
All these people who were larger-than-life
people, they were orbiting Roy.

903
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:33,356
جاء الجميع، رؤساء البلديات،

904
01:08:33,443 --> 01:08:38,233
governors, police chiefs, firemen,
anybody from the newspaper.

905
01:08:40,575 --> 01:08:41,906
من لم يذهب؟

906
01:08:41,993 --> 01:08:44,280
والكاردينال
سوف يأتي سبيلمان.

907
01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:46,577
Real-estate magnates would come.

908
01:08:46,664 --> 01:08:48,246
سوف يذهب ترامب.

909
01:08:48,333 --> 01:08:52,076
And there he would see the leading
politicians of New York City

910
01:08:52,170 --> 01:08:54,958
who would be very helpful
إليه في أعماله.

911
01:08:59,010 --> 01:09:00,876
إنه يبحر في هذا العالم

912
01:09:00,970 --> 01:09:05,680
between the people who hang
out at Sardi's and the 21 Club,

913
01:09:05,767 --> 01:09:08,350
وهذا العالم الآخر
الذي لديه هؤلاء الغوغاء،

914
01:09:08,436 --> 01:09:10,302
ويخلق
نوع من السحر.

915
01:09:12,273 --> 01:09:14,514
إذن كوهن هو هذا الجسر

916
01:09:14,609 --> 01:09:18,022
between the legitimate world
and the illegitimate world.

917
01:09:29,123 --> 01:09:32,206
كان كوهين أسطورة
في ذهنه.

918
01:09:32,293 --> 01:09:34,625
If you approach things that way,

919
01:09:34,712 --> 01:09:37,875
pretty soon, the appearance
contributes to the reality.

920
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:04,614
Everyone knows the most famous legal
eagle, my pal and yours, Roy Cohn.

921
01:10:04,701 --> 01:10:07,659
- مساء الخير نيكي. كيف حالك؟
- أنا بخير. كيف حالك؟

922
01:10:07,745 --> 01:10:12,364
Well, this is a very exciting occasion.
هنا برج ترامب.

923
01:10:12,458 --> 01:10:16,417
شلالات رخام,
the greatest stores in the world.

924
01:10:16,504 --> 01:10:19,917
عندما يكون هناك شيء من هذا القبيل
can be created in New York

925
01:10:20,007 --> 01:10:23,716
والاستيلاء على المدينة
storm, it's a real event.

926
01:10:32,061 --> 01:10:35,144
أراد دونالد ترامب ذلك
بناء مبنى,

927
01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:38,724
which is now known as Trump
البرج بالتجمع الخامس

928
01:10:38,818 --> 01:10:42,061
between 56th and 57th Street.

929
01:10:42,155 --> 01:10:45,398
He got a hold of the Bonwit
متجر تيلر متعدد الأقسام،

930
01:10:45,491 --> 01:10:47,323
this prime piece of real estate.

931
01:10:48,786 --> 01:10:51,198
دونالد يستأجر,
to tear down the building,

932
01:10:51,289 --> 01:10:56,625
a Syracuse window-washing firm
with no experience whatsoever.

933
01:10:56,711 --> 01:11:02,002
ويستخدم 200 غير قانوني
المهاجرين من بولندا.

934
01:11:05,595 --> 01:11:06,960
And then they don't get paid.

935
01:11:10,266 --> 01:11:15,682
Buildings of that sort at the time were
made largely with structural steel,

936
01:11:15,772 --> 01:11:20,312
because to make them out of
concrete was quite costly

937
01:11:20,401 --> 01:11:22,358
وشارك أيضا
التعامل مع الغوغاء,

938
01:11:22,445 --> 01:11:27,531
which controlled the poured-contract
الصناعة في نيويورك.

939
01:11:27,617 --> 01:11:32,487
Strangely, Trump chose to
جعله من الخرسانة.

940
01:11:32,580 --> 01:11:34,070
Now, why out of concrete?

941
01:11:34,165 --> 01:11:39,205
لأن قدم كوهن
him to his Mafioso clients,

942
01:11:39,295 --> 01:11:41,957
and it was through them that
he was able to make the deal.

943
01:11:43,174 --> 01:11:45,211
كل شيء عن هذا
المشروع كان فاسداً

944
01:11:56,604 --> 01:12:01,349
Donald Trump is probably one of the
most important names in America today.

945
01:12:01,442 --> 01:12:07,688
What started off as a meteor mounting
from New York and going upward

946
01:12:07,782 --> 01:12:10,774
is gonna touch the rest of
this country and parts...

947
01:12:10,868 --> 01:12:12,154
أجزاء جيدة من العالم.

948
01:12:12,245 --> 01:12:15,112
دونالد يريد فقط أن يكون
the biggest winner of all.

949
01:12:17,250 --> 01:12:18,581
دونالد كان لديه المال

950
01:12:18,668 --> 01:12:22,036
وكان روي يمتلك الكرات
و الفطنة

951
01:12:22,129 --> 01:12:23,540
and also some of the connections

952
01:12:23,631 --> 01:12:30,219
to move Trump beyond the world of housing
developments in Queens and Brooklyn.

953
01:12:30,304 --> 01:12:33,296
وكان ذلك واضحا
مفيدة للطرفين.

954
01:12:34,225 --> 01:12:35,465
Let me tell you about this.

955
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,767
هذه صورة
دونالد وأنا،

956
01:12:37,854 --> 01:12:41,643
الذي يقول فيه،
"Roy is my greatest friend."

957
01:12:41,732 --> 01:12:43,222
ثم هناك
رسالة منه.

958
01:12:43,317 --> 01:12:46,935
He says, "Needless to say,
your representation of me"

959
01:12:47,029 --> 01:12:49,896
فيما يتعلق ترامب
Tower case was brilliant.

960
01:12:49,991 --> 01:12:51,857
Everyone scoffed at our pursuit

961
01:12:51,951 --> 01:12:54,659
"of this difficult victory,
saying it couldn't be done."

962
01:12:54,745 --> 01:12:58,454
Now, here's a typical Donald Trump. انه
got to come in with a crack at the end.

963
01:12:58,541 --> 01:13:01,875
He says, "The skeptics, however,
كانوا في وضع غير مؤات".

964
01:13:01,961 --> 01:13:06,876
They never saw Roy Cohn in action,
especially when he really wants to win."

965
01:13:08,009 --> 01:13:10,091
بالمناسبة،
this picture hangs in my office

966
01:13:10,177 --> 01:13:14,922
directly next to a picture I treasure
of the president and Mrs. Reagan.

967
01:13:15,016 --> 01:13:16,016
اثنين من المفضلة.

968
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,938
وكان روي المسؤول،
وفقا لروي،

969
01:13:24,025 --> 01:13:27,268
for everything important that
happened in the United States,

970
01:13:27,361 --> 01:13:29,773
سواء كان ذلك
انتخاب الحاكم،

971
01:13:29,864 --> 01:13:31,480
an election of a president.

972
01:13:32,909 --> 01:13:34,399
If you had been attorney general

973
01:13:34,493 --> 01:13:37,485
when Richard Nixon was in office
during the Watergate times,

974
01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:39,742
هل تعتقد أنك تستطيع
have solved that problem?

975
01:13:39,832 --> 01:13:42,540
أعتقد أن نيكسون كان بإمكانه فعل ذلك
حل المشكلة، توم.

976
01:13:42,627 --> 01:13:44,163
أو نصحته
حول كيفية حلها.

977
01:13:44,253 --> 01:13:49,498
I think the problem could have been solved
very easily by getting rid of the tapes.

978
01:13:49,592 --> 01:13:53,711
Roy Coho's reach in American
politics is absolutely extraordinary.

979
01:13:53,804 --> 01:13:55,715
لقد حصل على ريتشارد
نيكسون كاتصال

980
01:13:55,806 --> 01:14:00,141
because Nixon's rise depended on
the whole anti-Communist fervor.

981
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:02,969
لديه اتصالات
إلى رونالد ريغان،

982
01:14:03,064 --> 01:14:08,309
who cooperated with the McCarthy-type
investigations in the early 50's.

983
01:14:08,402 --> 01:14:12,236
أصبح كوهين مهمًا
figure in Republican politics.

984
01:14:13,282 --> 01:14:18,322
He was a registered Democrat, yet he most
closely identified with the political right.

985
01:14:20,581 --> 01:14:23,289
In 1980, Reagan won the election

986
01:14:23,376 --> 01:14:28,416
because Roy Cohn arranged
لجون أندرسون،

987
01:14:28,506 --> 01:14:32,625
who had challenged Reagan for
the Republican nomination,

988
01:14:32,718 --> 01:14:34,800
to be the liberal party nominee.

989
01:14:37,139 --> 01:14:39,756
هناك ثلاثة اتجاهات
انقسام في نيويورك.

990
01:14:39,850 --> 01:14:43,059
That three-way split allows
Reagan to win the electoral votes

991
01:14:43,145 --> 01:14:45,352
with 45 percent of the vote.

992
01:14:49,276 --> 01:14:50,937
It was a setup, and it worked.

993
01:14:51,988 --> 01:14:54,901
I was present in his office
when Nancy Reagan called him

994
01:14:54,991 --> 01:14:58,700
and thanked him for getting
انتخب زوجها.

995
01:15:01,330 --> 01:15:05,289
John Anderson wasn't the only
political fix Roy was responsible for.

996
01:15:05,376 --> 01:15:09,461
He also torpedoed the vice-presidential
campaigns of Eagleton in '72...

997
01:15:11,757 --> 01:15:13,543
وفيرارو في '84.

998
01:15:15,219 --> 01:15:19,838
Roy was the one who made the link
between organized crime and her husband.

999
01:15:19,932 --> 01:15:24,051
The New York Post and the Daily News,
as you might imagine, went to town.

1000
01:15:26,814 --> 01:15:31,399
رأى كوهن نفسه على أنه أ
محرك الدمى السياسية.

1001
01:15:32,486 --> 01:15:34,318
لقد بدأ التطور.

1002
01:15:35,531 --> 01:15:38,569
وهذا بالتأكيد
تكون البداية

1003
01:15:38,659 --> 01:15:42,948
من التسلل
the political-right media

1004
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:45,531
into American government.

1005
01:15:47,668 --> 01:15:50,126
روبرت مردوخ و
New York Post endorsement

1006
01:15:50,212 --> 01:15:55,628
is something that Roy Cohn works
on every day for eight months,

1007
01:15:55,718 --> 01:16:00,679
mostly by giving Rupert Murdoch himself
a window into Reagan's campaign.

1008
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:09,680
It's not surprising that he could be
with Ronald Reagan and Rupert Murdoch,

1009
01:16:09,774 --> 01:16:13,608
الذي طور فوكس نيوز،
في المكتب البيضاوي،

1010
01:16:13,694 --> 01:16:16,777
كما لو كان مهندسا
العلاقة بأكملها.

1011
01:16:20,034 --> 01:16:23,493
يمكنك أن ترى ماذا
بدأ كوهين بالتحرك

1012
01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:29,495
winding up with the type of
political environment we have today.

1013
01:16:37,676 --> 01:16:40,839
I can't think of anything else like
him in American history or anywhere.

1014
01:16:40,930 --> 01:16:44,264
People should have ignored
عليه وأدخله السجن.

1015
01:16:45,226 --> 01:16:49,845
And here he is flying around in his own
plane to go have dinner at the White House.

1016
01:16:49,939 --> 01:16:51,179
اذهب واكتشف ذلك.

1017
01:16:54,193 --> 01:16:58,983
I think the Reagan anticrime program
is gonna take the emphasis off

1018
01:16:59,073 --> 01:17:02,156
certain types of white-collar
جرائم، أشياء بسيطة...

1019
01:17:02,243 --> 01:17:03,108
هذا جيد بالنسبة لك.

1020
01:17:03,202 --> 01:17:04,442
Minor things and all that,

1021
01:17:04,537 --> 01:17:08,326
ووضعها حيث
real root of the problem is,

1022
01:17:08,415 --> 01:17:11,282
جرائم العنف،
so that the people of this country

1023
01:17:11,377 --> 01:17:13,618
are once again in control
instead of the criminals.

1024
01:17:13,712 --> 01:17:15,669
- Are you running for any office?
- لا.

1025
01:17:15,756 --> 01:17:17,747
هل تم استدعاؤك من قبل
حكومة فرنسا

1026
01:17:17,842 --> 01:17:20,174
to restore the guillotine
and conduct a campaign there?

1027
01:17:20,261 --> 01:17:25,347
No, but I'll tell you, I'd like to restore
capital punishment in the United States

1028
01:17:25,432 --> 01:17:28,049
بحيث عندما يكون الناس
ستعمل على قتل شرطي

1029
01:17:28,144 --> 01:17:31,933
or people are gonna mug and kill an
old person, they're gonna think twice.

1030
01:17:35,025 --> 01:17:37,767
He did whatever he wanted.

1031
01:17:37,862 --> 01:17:41,981
And he felt he was good enough at
everything to get away with it,

1032
01:17:42,074 --> 01:17:44,907
وقد فعل من أجل أ
وقت طويل جداً.

1033
01:17:44,994 --> 01:17:47,656
Roy Cohn has managed to stay
out of jail all these years,

1034
01:17:47,746 --> 01:17:50,534
and I admire him for that,
and I'd like to have him for my lawyer.

1035
01:17:53,002 --> 01:17:58,293
Roy famously argued that all of the
expenses of his law firm were...

1036
01:17:58,382 --> 01:18:00,623
You know, were deductible.

1037
01:18:00,718 --> 01:18:02,959
The IRS did not see it this way.

1038
01:18:03,053 --> 01:18:07,297
Roy told me that the whole
point of dealing with the IRS

1039
01:18:07,391 --> 01:18:11,430
وكان للموت المستحقة لهم كما
much as humanly possible.

1040
01:18:12,104 --> 01:18:15,392
The United States government
filed a lawsuit against Roy Cohn

1041
01:18:15,482 --> 01:18:19,476
for failing to pay nearly
$7 million in back taxes.

1042
01:18:19,570 --> 01:18:21,026
أنت متهرب من الضرائب.

1043
01:18:21,113 --> 01:18:24,356
لا، أنا لست كذلك. أنا متهرب من الضرائب؟
نحن جميعا المتهربين من الضرائب.

1044
01:18:24,450 --> 01:18:28,444
- The president's a tax avoider. الجميع...
- You're more successful at it than some of us.

1045
01:18:28,537 --> 01:18:30,369
لا ألوم لي ل
عدم كفايتك.

1046
01:18:31,832 --> 01:18:34,745
هنا كان الرجل الذي كان
ومن الواضح جدا ملتوية،

1047
01:18:35,002 --> 01:18:37,539
he was so evidently dishonest,

1048
01:18:37,630 --> 01:18:40,088
ولكن لا أحد كان يفعل
أي شيء عنه.

1049
01:18:42,301 --> 01:18:44,963
كانت هناك جدية
الشكاوى التأديبية

1050
01:18:45,054 --> 01:18:49,969
and they were sitting at the bottom
of the desk drawer for years.

1051
01:18:52,353 --> 01:18:54,219
السؤال الأخير اليوم.

1052
01:18:54,313 --> 01:18:58,102
عدد لا بأس به من الناس
قل أن روي كوهن غير أخلاقي.

1053
01:18:58,192 --> 01:19:02,356
سوف يستخدم أي شيء ل
الفوز، افعل أي شيء للفوز.

1054
01:19:02,446 --> 01:19:05,859
استخدم أي خدعة،
any subterfuge, etcetera.

1055
01:19:05,950 --> 01:19:10,285
I'd say that has to come, probably,
from people who have lost to me.

1056
01:19:10,371 --> 01:19:11,907
- لأن [...
- ولكن هنا...

1057
01:19:11,997 --> 01:19:14,614
- لا، انتظر لحظة. دعونا نتوقف عند هذا الحد.
- نعم بالتأكيد.

1058
01:19:16,377 --> 01:19:19,870
He was eventually disbarred for
stealing from his own clients

1059
01:19:19,964 --> 01:19:22,001
ومحاولة الاحتيال
عملائه الخاصة.

1060
01:19:32,101 --> 01:19:37,096
Ultimately, we disbarred him
on the basis of four cases.

1061
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:41,558
SEC brings a case against
the Pied Piper yacht company.

1062
01:19:41,652 --> 01:19:46,442
Almost all the money from the company
has managed not to go to the creditors,

1063
01:19:46,532 --> 01:19:49,490
لكنهم ذهبوا إلى روي
كوهين وشركاؤه.

1064
01:19:49,576 --> 01:19:53,786
Second, he stole from his client
by promising to pay her back

1065
01:19:53,872 --> 01:19:57,866
when he had no intention of paying
her back, and then lying about it.

1066
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,874
And third, he tried to deceive a
يموت، رجل غير كفء

1067
01:20:01,964 --> 01:20:05,582
لجعله
منفذا لإرادته.

1068
01:20:07,219 --> 01:20:11,508
أحد رواد روي كوهو
كان العملاء شينلي،

1069
01:20:11,598 --> 01:20:15,762
موزع ل
المشروبات الكحولية والنبيذ.

1070
01:20:21,942 --> 01:20:25,560
And Lew Rosenstiel, its chairman,
was a personal friend of Roy's.

1071
01:20:26,572 --> 01:20:29,360
من بين التهم
جلبت ضد روي

1072
01:20:29,450 --> 01:20:34,490
were the fact that he had documents
executed in a hospital room

1073
01:20:34,580 --> 01:20:39,325
when Mr. Rosenstiel was not capable
of knowing what he was doing.

1074
01:20:45,507 --> 01:20:49,091
والدي أصيب بجلطة دماغية
and he was in a hospital in Miami.

1075
01:20:51,055 --> 01:20:54,593
These two people appeared
في المستشفى...

1076
01:20:56,060 --> 01:21:00,600
one of whom was wheeling the bed
around and fixing the covers.

1077
01:21:03,567 --> 01:21:07,561
It was then made clear to
لي أنه كان روي كوهن،

1078
01:21:07,654 --> 01:21:11,147
وكان ذلك روي
my father sign some papers

1079
01:21:11,241 --> 01:21:14,654
awarding himself as trustee
من تركة والدي.

1080
01:21:14,745 --> 01:21:18,409
The squibbly and scrawling signature at
the bottom of the last will and testament

1081
01:21:18,499 --> 01:21:20,365
من المليونير
لويس روزنستيل

1082
01:21:20,459 --> 01:21:23,668
purports to be that of the
late Miami philanthropist,

1083
01:21:23,754 --> 01:21:25,085
designating attorney Roy Cohn,

1084
01:21:25,172 --> 01:21:27,163
Rosenstiel's granddaughter
كاثي فينكلستين,

1085
01:21:27,257 --> 01:21:30,420
وزوجها جيمس كما
trustees of a $50 million estate.

1086
01:21:30,511 --> 01:21:34,800
Other members of the Rosenstiel family
are contesting the will's authenticity.

1087
01:21:34,890 --> 01:21:36,551
His signature was illegible.

1088
01:21:36,642 --> 01:21:40,931
نوع التمرير من X،
and a little wandering down off the line.

1089
01:21:42,022 --> 01:21:47,938
There's no image on that line that looks
anything like any letter of the alphabet.

1090
01:21:48,028 --> 01:21:50,190
أعني أنه كان سخيفا.

1091
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:56,234
تم الاستشهاد بك على أنك ترتدي زي ممرض ذكر و
getting a fraudulent codicil signed to the will.

1092
01:21:56,328 --> 01:22:00,538
- ما الفائدة منه ... ما الفائدة أكثر ...
- ما ظننته مذهلاً هو ما قاله القاضي...

1093
01:22:00,624 --> 01:22:04,242
يا سيد،
ما هو أكثر إثارة للاهتمام،

1094
01:22:04,336 --> 01:22:07,249
مثيرة للاهتمام بالنسبة لي،
is how somebody like you,

1095
01:22:07,339 --> 01:22:10,001
who's aspiring to be one of
the leaders of the future,

1096
01:22:10,092 --> 01:22:12,299
يمكن أن يكون لديك
الحقائق ثمل جدا.

1097
01:22:12,386 --> 01:22:15,344
لم أكن...
أبدا أي تلميح

1098
01:22:15,431 --> 01:22:19,641
that I could have dressed up as a
male nurse or anything like that.

1099
01:22:19,726 --> 01:22:24,721
And the charge you are referring to was thrown
out by the Bar Association in New York.

1100
01:22:24,815 --> 01:22:26,726
Why'd you appeal the
case, Mr. Cohn?

1101
01:22:26,817 --> 01:22:28,933
لماذا لا بد لي من ذلك
appeal when I win?

1102
01:22:29,027 --> 01:22:32,065
- Did you win, Mr. Cohn? I thought you lost.
- Yes, well, maybe you...

1103
01:22:32,156 --> 01:22:34,614
You would've been disbarred as
a member of the Florida Bar.

1104
01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:35,700
أوه، الجيز.

1105
01:22:36,785 --> 01:22:38,401
He was a liar.

1106
01:22:38,495 --> 01:22:41,283
There are a year and a
half worth of hearings

1107
01:22:41,373 --> 01:22:45,367
in which he challenges everything and
tells the same lies all over again.

1108
01:22:45,461 --> 01:22:46,997
He makes the matter worse

1109
01:22:47,087 --> 01:22:52,628
and makes an application to the D.C.
Bar where he lied under oath.

1110
01:22:52,718 --> 01:22:55,631
يحكي الأكاذيب عنه
كوديسيل روزنستيل.

1111
01:22:55,721 --> 01:22:58,463
يحكي الأكاذيب عنه
شليزنجر.

1112
01:22:58,557 --> 01:23:01,470
He just tells the same lies
over and over and over again.

1113
01:23:02,978 --> 01:23:06,187
إذا رأيت نمطًا
there, you're not foolish.

1114
01:23:07,733 --> 01:23:09,940
وإذا لم يكن لديك
الضمير عن...

1115
01:23:10,027 --> 01:23:15,613
Or shame about whether you're telling
an untruth or you're using hyperbole,

1116
01:23:15,699 --> 01:23:16,780
تفلت من العقاب.

1117
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,322
عندما كان على وشك
ليتم شطبها،

1118
01:23:20,412 --> 01:23:24,576
It was no surprise who shows
up as character witnesses

1119
01:23:24,666 --> 01:23:25,872
لروي كوهن،

1120
01:23:25,959 --> 01:23:27,495
لكن باربرا والترز،

1121
01:23:28,337 --> 01:23:31,375
ويليام إف باكلي جونيور,

1122
01:23:31,465 --> 01:23:32,751
دونالد ترامب.

1123
01:23:34,009 --> 01:23:39,925
The same people who he had cultivated and
who, in effect, had used him over decades.

1124
01:23:42,267 --> 01:23:46,056
سبعة وثلاثون
شهد الشهود.

1125
01:23:46,146 --> 01:23:49,059
أنت تعرف ما هم
وقال كل ذلك تحت القسم؟

1126
01:23:49,149 --> 01:23:55,612
"Roy Cohn has an excellent reputation
in the community for integrity."

1127
01:23:55,697 --> 01:23:59,656
And they said that with a straight
face after taking an oath?

1128
01:23:59,743 --> 01:24:01,734
يا رجل، هذه هي القوة.

1129
01:24:01,828 --> 01:24:04,490
Here's what the Disciplinary
Committee of the Bar says about you.

1130
01:24:04,581 --> 01:24:09,326
<i>"Quote," A total absence of moral
character and professional fitness.</i>

1131
01:24:09,419 --> 01:24:12,002
الاستخدام العام القاسي
من سخافتك.

1132
01:24:13,423 --> 01:24:17,667
"Pleading for clemency for a dying lawyer
and showing up in court the next day."

1133
01:24:17,761 --> 01:24:22,130
They couldn't say it about me, because I never
cited my illness as a reason for anything.

1134
01:24:22,224 --> 01:24:26,934
Anyone who knows me knows I don't plead,
and I'm not pleading in this case.

1135
01:24:27,020 --> 01:24:30,308
أنا لا أحب أي منهم.
I've called them a bunch of yoyos.

1136
01:24:30,399 --> 01:24:31,889
And there might be other lawyers

1137
01:24:31,984 --> 01:24:35,102
who have a guilty conscience
or feel they have to crawl.

1138
01:24:35,195 --> 01:24:36,856
لكن ليس لدي
الضمير مذنب،

1139
01:24:36,947 --> 01:24:40,315
and I'm not gonna crawl before this
committee or any committee like it.

1140
01:24:40,409 --> 01:24:42,150
He wouldn't plead to anything.

1141
01:24:42,244 --> 01:24:46,659
خرج روي كوهن و
استأجرت محامين ممتازين.

1142
01:24:46,748 --> 01:24:50,366
ولكن كان لدينا له.
He wasn't getting out of this.

1143
01:24:53,589 --> 01:24:55,671
لقد كان فراشة مثبتة.

1144
01:25:02,472 --> 01:25:06,841
Roy gave a private dinner for his
closest friends and relatives every year.

1145
01:25:08,562 --> 01:25:14,558
And the one I was invited to took
place after he had been disbarred.

1146
01:25:14,651 --> 01:25:20,146
وعندما وصلت إلى هناك،
this long table was set, and nobody came.

1147
01:25:22,826 --> 01:25:28,242
He had a lot of friends until he was disbarred,
and then he had no friends. لقد هربوا جميعا.

1148
01:25:32,336 --> 01:25:36,375
I wanna know why he's objecting to
the way people are treating him now.

1149
01:25:37,466 --> 01:25:40,879
Why don't he remember what he
did, not only with McCarthy,

1150
01:25:40,969 --> 01:25:47,511
but with Fifth Avenue bus lines, Lionel Trains,
and is he proud of his record as an attorney?

1151
01:25:47,601 --> 01:25:48,601
سوف أعلق المكالمة.

1152
01:25:48,644 --> 01:25:51,102
- تمام.
- Okay, the answer is yes.

1153
01:25:51,188 --> 01:25:52,553
أنا فخور برقمي القياسي.

1154
01:25:52,648 --> 01:25:56,437
When you would try to get him
to talk about Joe McCarthy

1155
01:25:56,526 --> 01:26:00,941
or the Army-McCarthy trials
أو تلك الفترة بأكملها،

1156
01:26:01,031 --> 01:26:05,195
جي إدغار هوفر،
you couldn't get much out of him.

1157
01:26:05,285 --> 01:26:09,449
على آل روزنبرج،
سألته عن شعوره حيال ذلك.

1158
01:26:09,539 --> 01:26:12,873
قلت له أنني قرأت القضية،
فقال وأنا أقتبس

1159
01:26:12,959 --> 01:26:17,954
"إذا كان بإمكاني سحب
التبديل، كنت قد فعلت ذلك بنفسي ".

1160
01:26:18,048 --> 01:26:20,881
هذا لا يبدو وكأنه الندم.

1161
01:26:20,967 --> 01:26:23,834
أعتقد أن روي كان
متشدد حتى النهاية

1162
01:26:23,929 --> 01:26:25,135
تشعر أنك بحالة جيدة.

1163
01:26:25,222 --> 01:26:27,429
- أشعر أنني بحالة جيدة.
- لماذا؟

1164
01:26:27,516 --> 01:26:31,305
أعني، كنت على باب الموت،
قبل ستة أشهر، قبل ثلاثة أشهر؟

1165
01:26:31,395 --> 01:26:35,263
لقد وجدوا أنني مصاب بالكبد
السرطان ووجدوا أن...

1166
01:26:35,357 --> 01:26:40,318
الذي ينتشر في
اتجاهات غريبة.

1167
01:26:40,404 --> 01:26:43,692
- أخبرني... أنا في حالة هدوء تام.
- هل أنت في مغفرة؟

1168
01:26:43,782 --> 01:26:47,901
عندما أتحدث مع الأصدقاء وأخبرهم
بأنني أقوم بعمل ملف تعريفي لروي كوهن،

1169
01:26:47,994 --> 01:26:50,361
فيقولون: اسأله
هذا من فضلك."

1170
01:26:50,455 --> 01:26:54,119
وأنا متأكد من أنك تعرف ماذا
يقولون لي أن أسألك.

1171
01:26:54,209 --> 01:26:56,576
- هل أنت مصاب بالإيدز؟
- أوه لا.

1172
01:26:57,796 --> 01:26:59,127
من السهل الإجابة على هذا السؤال.

1173
01:27:03,301 --> 01:27:06,669
بيتر فريزر، رفيقه،
ساعده في كل مكان.

1174
01:27:06,763 --> 01:27:10,597
كان روي ينسى الأشياء المتبقية و
الحق، وهو ما لم يحدث من قبل.

1175
01:27:10,684 --> 01:27:15,599
ونظر إلي بهذه الشحوب
العيون الزرقاء وهذا النوع من العيون المقنعة،

1176
01:27:15,689 --> 01:27:17,805
و كان يرتجف فقال...

1177
01:27:17,899 --> 01:27:19,515
قلت،
"يقولون أنك مصاب بالإيدز."

1178
01:27:19,609 --> 01:27:22,601
فقال: من هؤلاء؟
وماذا يعرفون عني؟"

1179
01:27:25,490 --> 01:27:30,075
وحتى في النهاية،
رفض الاعتراف بأنه مثلي الجنس،

1180
01:27:30,162 --> 01:27:32,403
ورفض ذلك
اعترف بإصابته بالإيدز.

1181
01:27:32,497 --> 01:27:36,866
كان من الصعب بالنسبة لي أن أصدق ذلك
بسبب الرجل الذي عرفته.

1182
01:27:37,878 --> 01:27:40,620
لقد كان خطأ لروي
لينفي إصابته بالإيدز.

1183
01:27:40,714 --> 01:27:43,376
لقد كان من الخطأ الإنكار
أنه كان مثلي الجنس.

1184
01:27:43,467 --> 01:27:46,585
ولو خرج وقال: انظر.
أنا مثلي الجنس. أنا مصاب بالإيدز."

1185
01:27:46,678 --> 01:27:49,386
نحن بحاجة إلى القيام بشيء ما، وليس فقط من أجله
أنا ولكن من أجل المجتمع"

1186
01:27:49,473 --> 01:27:50,588
لكان بطلا.

1187
01:27:50,682 --> 01:27:53,140
وبدلاً من ذلك، كان منافقاً.

1188
01:27:55,061 --> 01:27:59,976
وفي نفس الوقت استفاد منه
اتصالاته للحصول على معاملة خاصة.

1189
01:28:04,029 --> 01:28:07,863
لقد حصل عليه البيت الأبيض ريغان بالفعل
في المعاهد الوطنية للصحة

1190
01:28:07,949 --> 01:28:11,283
للقيام بالعلاج التجريبي
التي لا يمكن لأحد الدخول فيها.

1191
01:28:11,369 --> 01:28:14,452
وهنا كان الرئيس ريغان
وجميع الناس من حوله

1192
01:28:14,539 --> 01:28:17,076
ينكر هناك أساسا
كان وباء الإيدز،

1193
01:28:17,167 --> 01:28:18,828
ومع ذلك كان روي كذلك
تحلق هناك

1194
01:28:18,919 --> 01:28:22,207
والذهاب إلى هناك كثيرًا
هذا العلاج التجريبي.

1195
01:28:22,297 --> 01:28:27,463
وتصرف مثله
كان هناك على خطأ.

1196
01:28:27,552 --> 01:28:30,260
لم يكن مصابًا بالإيدز حقًا.

1197
01:28:30,347 --> 01:28:34,511
كما تعلمون،
لم يتخلى أبدًا عن أسطورته.

1198
01:28:34,601 --> 01:28:38,060
هل ستفوز بهذا أيضاً؟

1199
01:28:38,146 --> 01:28:39,932
أنت على حق يا لاري.

1200
01:28:40,023 --> 01:28:41,309
شكرا لوجودك معنا، روي.

1201
01:28:41,399 --> 01:28:45,734
لقد استمتعت به، وآمل ألا يكون ذلك كثيرًا
الوقت يمر حتى أكون معك مرة أخرى.

1202
01:29:01,670 --> 01:29:04,287
كان روي لا يصدق
مخلص للأصدقاء.

1203
01:29:06,007 --> 01:29:08,544
وكان شديدا
الموالية لدونالد ترامب.

1204
01:29:12,722 --> 01:29:16,090
أخذ ترامب عمله القانوني إلى
شخص آخر عندما أصيب روي بالإيدز.

1205
01:29:16,184 --> 01:29:20,678
توقف عن رؤية روي والاتصال به
روي والتسكع مع روي.

1206
01:29:22,232 --> 01:29:24,849
كما تعلمون، بالطبع،
لماذا يسأل الناس عن الإيدز وروي كوهن؟

1207
01:29:24,943 --> 01:29:28,152
- بالتأكيد. بالطبع. بالطبع.
- لأنهم يعتقدون أنك مثلي الجنس.

1208
01:29:28,238 --> 01:29:31,071
وهذا لديك ببساطة
لم تعترف أبدا بالحقيقة.

1209
01:29:31,157 --> 01:29:34,741
وصديق عزيز لي، أ
صديق جيد لك، أود أن أقول...

1210
01:29:34,828 --> 01:29:37,695
أخبره، إذا كان يريد الاعتراف
يمكنه فعل أي شيء، لكنها كذبة.

1211
01:29:37,789 --> 01:29:40,872
لا، صديق جيد ل
من هي امرأة

1212
01:29:40,959 --> 01:29:47,672
تقول إنها تعتقد أن روي كوهن يريد
في الواقع، للخروج من الخزانة.

1213
01:29:49,175 --> 01:29:53,260
"اخرج من الخزانة" يعني،
الإدلاء ببيان مثير للغاية حول...

1214
01:29:53,346 --> 01:29:56,714
نعم، فقط اعترف بذلك. هناك
بالتأكيد لا يوجد شيء فظيع في هذا الشأن.

1215
01:29:56,808 --> 01:30:03,430
مايك، لقد كنا هنا، لقد كنا نقوم ب
مكثفة جدا 20 دقيقة أو أكثر علي.

1216
01:30:03,565 --> 01:30:06,307
أم... أعتقد أنك تستطيع رؤيتي.

1217
01:30:06,401 --> 01:30:12,943
أعتقد أنك تستطيع أن ترى، والجمهور يستطيع، وأنا لا
الموت من لا شيء، في البداية، رقم واحد.

1218
01:30:13,033 --> 01:30:15,320
- يمين. يمين.
- رقم اثنين، لقد سألتني بشكل قاطع.

1219
01:30:15,410 --> 01:30:19,449
وأنا أقول لك بشكل قاطع،
ليس لدي الإيدز.

1220
01:30:19,539 --> 01:30:22,122
- من أين تأتي كل هذه القصص؟
- إنه أمر سهل، مايك.

1221
01:30:22,208 --> 01:30:24,415
خذ هذه المجموعة من الحقائق.

1222
01:30:24,502 --> 01:30:29,042
أعزب , غير متزوج ,
في منتصف العمر.

1223
01:30:29,132 --> 01:30:34,127
حسنًا، شاب في منتصف العمر، و، أم...
اه...

1224
01:30:34,220 --> 01:30:37,884
ثم تعود كل القصص
إلى أيام مكارثي/سوتني.

1225
01:30:39,017 --> 01:30:41,475
كان شين عازبًا أيضًا.

1226
01:30:41,561 --> 01:30:43,643
- كنا على حد سواء العزاب.
- وكذلك كان مكارثي.

1227
01:30:43,730 --> 01:30:45,061
صحيح، وكذلك كان مكارثي.

1228
01:30:48,568 --> 01:30:54,029
في تلك المرحلة،
مكالماته الهاتفية غير منتظمة.

1229
01:30:54,115 --> 01:30:55,856
ليس لها معنى كبير.

1230
01:30:55,951 --> 01:30:58,784
إنه يتعب بسهولة شديدة.

1231
01:31:00,914 --> 01:31:02,245
اتصلت بالمستشفى.

1232
01:31:02,332 --> 01:31:06,792
طلبت غرفته
وأجاب توم بولان على الهاتف.

1233
01:31:07,545 --> 01:31:11,789
فقلت: "توم،
أريد أن أرى روي."

1234
01:31:11,883 --> 01:31:15,626
وقال توم: "لا تأتي.
لقد فات الأوان."

1235
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,462
"لن يتعرف
أنت." قال إنه...

1236
01:31:18,556 --> 01:31:23,517
وبعد ذلك أدركت أنني فعلت ذلك
ضاعت فرصتي لأقول وداعا.

1237
01:31:25,105 --> 01:31:29,815
إذا كان لديك فرصة ل
أكتب مرثية الخاص بك...

1238
01:31:30,568 --> 01:31:32,730
كيف تريد
أن نتذكر؟

1239
01:31:32,821 --> 01:31:35,609
أعتقد أنني أود أن أكون
تذكرت أكثر... انظر، أنا...

1240
01:31:35,699 --> 01:31:38,157
نحن نعرف ما هو مرثية بلدي
سيكون في جميع الأوراق.

1241
01:31:38,243 --> 01:31:39,404
ماذا سيكون؟

1242
01:31:39,494 --> 01:31:45,115
سيكون "روي كوهن يموت،
كان كبير مساعدي مكارثي."

1243
01:31:45,208 --> 01:31:48,576
بغض النظر عما أفعله، سواء كان جيدًا أو سيئًا،
لبقية سنوات حياتي،

1244
01:31:48,670 --> 01:31:50,206
هذا ما سوف يكون.

1245
01:32:13,319 --> 01:32:17,563
أخبرتني والدتي أنها وجدت
قائمة المسار الوظيفي لروي.

1246
01:32:17,657 --> 01:32:22,652
لقد بدأ الأمر كمدعي عام،
الذي كان على حق خارج كلية الحقوق.

1247
01:32:22,746 --> 01:32:28,332
ومن ثم سلسلة من المواقف السياسية،
وينتهي الأمر مع حاكم نيويورك.

1248
01:32:30,962 --> 01:32:34,330
لم يصل إلى هذا النوع قط
لسلطة السياسة العامة

1249
01:32:34,424 --> 01:32:37,291
الذي كان يتصوره
نفسه كما لديه.

1250
01:32:37,385 --> 01:32:41,970
ولكن لا يمكن إنكار أن له
التأثير على السياسة لا يزال قائما.

1251
01:32:46,686 --> 01:32:49,804
روي كان شريرا...

1252
01:32:49,898 --> 01:32:53,391
التي تنتجها أجزاء معينة
للثقافة الأمريكية.

1253
01:32:56,112 --> 01:33:02,358
هناك دائما احتمال آخر
شخص لا يهتم بتقاليدنا

1254
01:33:02,452 --> 01:33:04,693
أو قوانيننا أو وسائل الحماية لدينا

1255
01:33:04,788 --> 01:33:06,574
من يستطيع أن يدخل ويدمرها

1256
01:33:06,664 --> 01:33:10,248
وتحطيمها للأضعف
بيننا والأكثر ضعفا.

1257
01:33:17,759 --> 01:33:22,925
السلطة في أيدي
شخص متهور

1258
01:33:23,014 --> 01:33:27,429
وهذا المتكبر أ
شيء خطير جدا.