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We are in San Diego, we are at our,
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have down here, which has been
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Yeah, so we've,
we've started documenting, like, Liz's

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life right now, you know,
we have, like, people kind of

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constantly around us, starting to capture
these moments, because what we're going

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through right now, well, I mean, at a
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Liz has been turned into this monster is
because nobody knows who she is, right?

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And, like, in absence of knowing somebody, it's
really easy to make them feel other, and scary,

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like, it's easy to build up this myth around who
the person is when you don't know who they are.

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So we've kind of made the decision
that the best way for people to understand

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who she is is by just giving, like,
radical transparency and, you know,

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as much access as
possible into our daily lives.

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Everything from, like, you know,
putting the kids to sleep,

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to, you know, what we're building,
and everything in between.

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So, um, but what I'm saying is, but

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we don't even, you know, these,
these are relevant to human

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systems, like, you know,
infections of frog embryos, yeah, yeah,

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I just want to show that it works.

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I did testify in my criminal trial,
and I was

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acquitted of the counts
associated with the charges on

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patients, and patient testing,
and I don't have any money,

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I'm deeply in debt for the
legal fees associated with

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my criminal case,
but I do want the ability to defend

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myself, and I would ask
for your consideration in that.

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Thank you.

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Our work is in being
able to make testing work.

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Elizabeth Holmes built her company Theranos
on this invention she called the iPod of

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healthcare, a miniaturized blood analyzer
that would disrupt the 60 billion dollar

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lab testing industry.

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It was, she claimed, quote, the most
important thing humanity has ever built, and

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Elizabeth Holmes became the youngest
self-made female billionaire in the world.

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She was also at the center
of a massive multi-year fraud.

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Each day I greet the sun and I
train my body for battle, and I train my

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mind too.

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This is the dropout.

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You said that Ms. Holmes was manipulative,
what do you mean by that?

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You had this older man
around her that she manipulated.

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She just wasn't mad, she had a charm.

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I think she's really good at telling you
what you need to hear to keep going.

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She's pathological.

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She told everyone to take to work,
and it didn't work at all.

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Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes is set
to begin her prison sentence on May 30th.

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The federal court rejected
her request to stay out of bail

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while appealing her conviction
on fraud and conspiracy charges.

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Honey, while wanting to deny it along
with his ex-girlfriend, Elizabeth Holmes.

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They really brought this
company as a couple,

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and they perpetrated
this fraud as a couple.

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Prosecutors say he and Elizabeth Holmes
were partners in virtually everything.

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She claimed that they could use
one drop of blood to test a bunch of

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different things, but it turned out
that that technology did not work.

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She was convicted on four counts
of fraud for defrauding investors.

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She was found guilty
of defrauding musicians.

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Ms. Holmes has not spoken
to the media since 2016.

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Her trajectory launched a cottage
industry of podcasts, TV shows, Halloween

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costumes, and the actress Amanda Seyfried's
Emmy Award-winning turn as Ms. Holmes

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in the Hulu's The Dropout.

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The black turtlenecks,
the kabuki red lipstick,

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the green juices,
the dancing to Lil Wayne.

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Somewhere along the way, Ms. Holmes says
the person, whoever that is, got lost.

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At one point,
I tell her that I heard Jennifer

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Lawrence had pulled out
of portraying her in a movie.

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She replied almost reflectively,
You're not playing me.

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You're playing a character I created.

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That seems like another thing that
you would never say in a million years.

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You would never say character I created.

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You probably said
character that they created.

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Yeah,
I mean we have recordings of a lot of it.

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Like 90% of the stuff that's
quoted in here we recorded.

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Did you do that with me?

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No.

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Well, not yet.

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It's probably a good idea.

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The way in which they use words.

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I mean we need to go
back on a few of these things

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because it's just like
factually inaccurate.

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You're coming with us.

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Your voice has been heard.

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The council has spoken.

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Yeah.

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More orange?

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Yeah.

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More apple.

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More apple.

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Do you want more bagel?

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I'm all right.

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Thank you so much.

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The world believes a reality
about me that isn't true.

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And so what is the reality?

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And how did we get here
where all these people

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believe these things
that didn't happen?

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How did that happen?

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But you didn't commit any crime,
you think?

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I know I didn't commit any crime.

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Can I tell you a little bit
of an insecurity of mine?

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Yeah, please.

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Okay.

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I read that you asked General Mattis
to be on the board of your company.

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And, you know, he's a military guy,
but he's not a science guy.

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So part of me maybe
is a little insecure that

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you look at me as someone
who is uneducated on

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science and scientific things.

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So I can't question you in a way
that another person who is would.

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So why me?

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I think we've been thinking about
this first and foremost as a human story.

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Because you could
have gone to like science

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reporters and investigative,
but you didn't.

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Because what?

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Do they suck?

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Or do you think they suck or something?

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I don't actually at all.

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Okay, I don't know.

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I mean, the purpose,
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purpose of this was not
to litigate the science.

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Although I really hope
people look at the testimony

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in the case and all the
documents that support that.

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But it starts with who I am and
what my intent was and still is.

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I do want to say to you
for just full transparency,

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I have read a lot about
Theranos and you.

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And, you know,
I do believe there is a lot of evidence

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that points to the fact that
you defrauded investors

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and also deceived, you know,
regulators and the public and patients.

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And you were involved in conspiracy too.

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I look, I mean, I understand
what people have said about me.

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And I understand that
people believe those things.

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All I know is my truth and my love for my

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family.

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It could be taken away from them.

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That must be hard.

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Do you want to get a tissue or something?

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Hold on, I'll get it for you.

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I think

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we need to put a pin in that.

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Okay.

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Because it's 12 20 now.

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You have a ton of calls
that you need to do.

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I don't want to speak for you.

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So what do you think
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Well, I was planning to go work out.

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If you'd like to.

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Oh, thanks.

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Pick your piece wisely.

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What is this again?

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It's a pink pineapple.

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In talking to Liz, it sounded like the
vision she had with Theranos hasn't died.

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Is this just kind of like a random
thought or are there plans for this?

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No, there's not just plans,
but there's plans in the works.

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You know, like we've taken a lot of
the first steps to make this happen.

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And as it relates to her,
her intention with

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this,
she hasn't stopped talking about it since

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the moment I met her.

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Wow.

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The idea is to put the band
back together and do well again.

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You know, we're committed to the cause.

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So 2.0, you know, there's 1.0,
which was the first version.

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And here's the second
iteration of the same idea.

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Theranos 2.0. Yeah.

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What is up first for you guys tomorrow?

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Get a 9 20 appointment for IV.

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And we typically don't
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because on the weekends,
there's like a million people.

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I mean, it's Friday morning.

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What day were you thinking the bonfire?

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I haven't thought that through.

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I was going to call my brother
and see what his availability is.

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OK.

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One conversation that
we had yesterday with the

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guy who brought us to
the studio yesterday is that

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he said that he would
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with you on camera,
but obscuring his identity.

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So why did you take the eggs over?

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What was she doing
wrong with mixing the eggs?

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I just wanted to help her so
she could focus on talking to you.

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OK.

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What I was doing wrong is he
doesn't think that I'm mixing them.

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She does it like this.

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She does it very lightly.

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Therefore,
the eggs don't taste as good because you.

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She really want to make
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She's got it.

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She's got it.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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How did you two meet?

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We met at a friend's party on October 7th,
2017.

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And yeah, we just.

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Sorry, I got distracted.

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By what?

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I just thought.

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What's the thought?

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I was trying to think back to
that moment and I was just.

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I don't know.

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There's so many things that went
through my head in that moment.

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Like when you met her?

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Yeah.

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Like what?

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Well, first, I didn't know who she was.

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But you did,
you know who she was in general?

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Like, did you know who
Elizabeth Holmes was at that time?

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I did.

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Yeah, I mean, I was working in
Silicon Valley and I had just toured her

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building the week before because
we were looking at renting her building.

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So like, I knew exactly who she was.

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I'd read a lot of the same
media that everybody else had.

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So how did you not recognize her?

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She was like wearing a
big hat and sunglasses

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and she had like a
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So I didn't know who she was.

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Why a bandaid?

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I had just gotten a husky
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He was a puppy and I
had this cut on my face.

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So that may have also been part
of the idea with the sunglasses.

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Was it love at first sight?

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I think for me it was.

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Really?

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I don't know.

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Yeah, I was like very flirtatious.

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I was trying to be flirtatious.

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You were?

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Yeah, definitely.

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What do you like when you flirt?

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I just, I didn't know what to say to
him so I was just kind of staring at him.

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So is that your technique?

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You like hold eye contact?

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Yeah.

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And her and I started
talking and very quickly

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kind of like everything
else ceased to exist.

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Like it was just the two of us.

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conversation with somebody and there's

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other people around but it
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I mean at the time in 2017 there
was a lot of bad news about Theranos.

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It was only bad news.

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And you just didn't know who she was?

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No idea, yeah.

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When did you realize?

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It was maybe an hour into talking.

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And what did you say
that made you realize?

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Something about giving people
access to health care which

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made me kind of realize I
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Oh, that's who this is.

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It was super fast.

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It went from zero to 100 really quickly.

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I mean the first time that he started talking
about spending our life together I thought he was

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kidding and I asked him about 30 times if he was
serious because I was like are you, do you mean

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that?

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Do you feel like it would have
gone in the same direction with

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you guys if he knew from the
very start it was you as opposed to?

248
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I don't know, maybe not.

249
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Maybe not.

250
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I mean the bias is so strong.

251
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I fell in love in that first conversation.

252
00:17:49,380 --> 00:17:54,280
Before or after she revealed
she was the founder of Theranos?

253
00:17:54,460 --> 00:17:55,320
Probably before.

254
00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,280
Okay,
so you fell in love like in a few minutes.

255
00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,340
Yeah, and maybe in an hour,
you know, it was just there.

256
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It was like clear.

257
00:18:03,460 --> 00:18:04,780
You couldn't even see her face though.

258
00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,260
Yeah,
I guess that wasn't what mattered to me.

259
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Like you're a very handsome man.

260
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You're an attractive guy.

261
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I'm sure you're popular with women,
I'm guessing.

262
00:18:20,580 --> 00:18:21,440
Yeah, I like women.

263
00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:24,820
I know you like them, but like I'm sure.

264
00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,780
Yeah, I was dating other
people the same time I met Liz.

265
00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:28,340
You were?

266
00:18:28,580 --> 00:18:28,720
Yeah.

267
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How many?

268
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Nobody too seriously, maybe three people.

269
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And then you meet Liz.

270
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Yeah.

271
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And she gets indicted for a crime.

272
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Yeah.

273
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And you are choosing
at that point to be

274
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like, okay,
this is what I want for my life.

275
00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:49,840
Why?

276
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I think which speaks
to how much I love her.

277
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Yeah, that's cool.

278
00:19:01,180 --> 00:19:02,220
Yes, amazing.

279
00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:11,780
I mean, weren't you worried she
was sort of like scamming you?

280
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100%.

281
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100%,
but what did she have to gain from me?

282
00:19:17,780 --> 00:19:19,540
Well, isn't your family rich?

283
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:26,000
Yeah, I think that there's like a lot
of different levels of wealth, right?

284
00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:26,460
Okay.

285
00:19:26,460 --> 00:19:36,200
And I think I certainly come from
a family that has done well, but the

286
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level of wealth, you should,
I'm not going to answer that question.

287
00:19:42,020 --> 00:19:45,100
Were your parents,
is that where the money is or?

288
00:19:45,260 --> 00:19:46,420
I mean, they built a business.

289
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:47,080
You want to go?

290
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:47,500
Okay.

291
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It's 530.

292
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,740
My cousin's thing started at 515.

293
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:51,520
Oh, okay.

294
00:19:51,580 --> 00:19:52,400
Sorry, I didn't know.

295
00:19:53,520 --> 00:20:11,400
Um, how

296
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do you decide what to put
in and what to leave out?

297
00:20:14,660 --> 00:20:19,474
Right now I'm putting
everything in and then I'll cut once

298
00:20:19,516 --> 00:20:24,040
I sort of see it all together
and how it fits together.

299
00:20:28,820 --> 00:20:30,920
Did you write about Sunny at all?

300
00:20:31,860 --> 00:20:32,300
I did.

301
00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:37,330
It's a big part of my life.

302
00:20:40,810 --> 00:20:42,710
How long were you guys together?

303
00:20:44,550 --> 00:20:45,650
Almost 12 years.

304
00:20:46,410 --> 00:20:46,970
Wow.

305
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,340
What was Sunny's role at Theranos?

306
00:20:55,460 --> 00:20:58,369
He was the president
and chief operating officer

307
00:20:58,411 --> 00:21:01,420
of the company and the
vice chairman of the board.

308
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,020
And what was your role?

309
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,360
I was the CEO and the
chairman of the board.

310
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I,
I believed in him because I thought he was

311
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the best in the world
at what he was doing.

312
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:28,130
But I know that I didn't
question him in the way that

313
00:21:28,130 --> 00:21:33,150
I otherwise would have had
that relationship not been in place.

314
00:21:37,980 --> 00:21:42,100
Do you feel like you're
an overly trusting person?

315
00:21:42,860 --> 00:21:43,420
For sure.

316
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,814
But I think that's
the best way to build

317
00:21:47,856 --> 00:21:51,100
the relationships that
are successful ones.

318
00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:55,450
Because I think if you start from a
place of complete trust, then if it is

319
00:21:55,492 --> 00:22:00,000
going to be a good relationship, it
will be that much stronger because of it.

320
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,660
That's a really nice philosophy.

321
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,480
That's how Billy and I met and
built the relationship that we have.

322
00:22:43,380 --> 00:22:44,660
I'm sorry.

323
00:23:10,460 --> 00:23:12,880
So where did things get lost?

324
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,920
Like, how are you where you are right now?

325
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:18,920
I don't, I don't know.

326
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,680
What's your best guess?

327
00:23:23,780 --> 00:23:28,635
I mean, if you're you feel
like everything that you did

328
00:23:28,677 --> 00:23:33,660
was above board and you
operated in good faith and do you

329
00:23:33,660 --> 00:23:38,840
feel like your legal team, you know,
their advice has led you to this point?

330
00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:46,720
No, I think they've put their
hearts and souls into fighting it.

331
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,820
And they, they're still fighting.

332
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:59,120
So who messed up then in this process?

333
00:24:01,060 --> 00:24:02,880
I, I wish I knew.

334
00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:05,560
I don't know.

335
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,640
I don't,
I don't feel like I understand that.

336
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:30,496
Do you think that's part of the
reason why people can't come around

337
00:24:30,538 --> 00:24:35,480
to you is because they feel like
you're not admitting to the things

338
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,380
that you did?

339
00:24:36,820 --> 00:24:37,100
Probably.

340
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,400
Yeah.

341
00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:39,060
Yeah.

342
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,320
How does that make you feel?

343
00:24:45,620 --> 00:24:49,069
It makes it hard to stand
up for the truth, but I

344
00:24:49,111 --> 00:24:52,740
would never be able to
live with myself if I didn't.

345
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,720
What do you feel like is the hardest
thing for you to do emotionally?

346
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:17,020
Like, when it comes to emotions,
what's the hardest thing for you?

347
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:30,940
I mean, it took me a really long
time to be okay with, um, with

348
00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:32,140
letting someone see me cry.

349
00:25:36,940 --> 00:25:44,180
But, I don't know if that's true.

350
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,300
At a high level, the New York Times is
unwilling to change the, I created a character,

351
00:25:57,342 --> 00:26:01,740
even though we told them, like, look, we've
got all these tapes, it wasn't said anywhere.

352
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,096
And they feel strongly that she took sufficient
notes to cover that, but they don't have, like,

353
00:26:07,138 --> 00:26:11,580
they haven't come back saying, well, here's the
place that you said it, or this, like, we have

354
00:26:11,580 --> 00:26:13,760
any recording of this.

355
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:15,880
They just say that they
stand by their reporting.

356
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,960
Let Liz describe it to you.

357
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,420
Do they have proof you said it?

358
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,860
I don't know.

359
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,736
I, I know that we, as she would
speak with us, we would record the

360
00:26:26,778 --> 00:26:30,640
conversations, too, because that's
what art comes for something to do.

361
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,380
Yeah, yeah.

362
00:26:31,540 --> 00:26:35,360
But we don't have any, any recording
of me saying I created a character.

363
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,220
You should find out
if there's a recording.

364
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,120
We don't.

365
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,900
Lizzie, come on, pick up.

366
00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:40,740
Okay, sorry.

367
00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:41,300
To be continued.

368
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,180
Okay, to be continued.

369
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,120
Because I do, okay.

370
00:26:43,460 --> 00:26:48,242
I want to ask, just because the thing that,
I know it's such a small thing, the New York

371
00:26:48,284 --> 00:26:53,160
Times thing, but the reason I'm so interested
is because if you didn't say this, it really

372
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,660
shows the narrative of people trying
to make me into that, turn you into that.

373
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:02,229
But if you did say it,
it speaks to the fact that maybe

374
00:27:02,271 --> 00:27:05,520
you don't recall some things
that you've said or done.

375
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:06,500
Yeah.

376
00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:10,540
So the answer to this
question feels very relevant.

377
00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:11,520
For sure.

378
00:27:11,660 --> 00:27:11,820
Yeah.

379
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:15,740
My process was my memory and then
reviewing all our tapes and confirming.

380
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:16,320
Yeah.

381
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,740
Following up based on that.

382
00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:19,700
Okay.

383
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:20,160
Yeah.

384
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,020
I know you have to go.

385
00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:21,660
So anyways.

386
00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:22,100
Yeah, to be continued.

387
00:27:22,220 --> 00:27:22,900
Okay, great.

388
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:23,560
Thanks, Liz.

389
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:57,610
Okay.

390
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,500
When I was only hearing,
it was like dropping.

391
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:30,440
It just makes us,
our ability to do business like untenable.

392
00:28:30,740 --> 00:28:32,240
I don't think it has anything
to do with our equipment.

393
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,460
It 100% does.

394
00:28:33,860 --> 00:28:35,560
Because like at night,
I've got zero problems.

395
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,080
It's only,
it's only when you guys are here.

396
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:37,840
Something's interfering.

397
00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:39,862
Because like,
even when I tried to do that

398
00:28:39,904 --> 00:28:41,960
hearing the other day,
it dropped like 10 times.

399
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:42,540
Really?

400
00:28:43,220 --> 00:28:43,620
Yeah.

401
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,060
I feel like we're,
we're on different frequencies, right?

402
00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:47,760
It's not.

403
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:49,700
I think it's the monitors.

404
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,400
I'm unable to connect to this wifi.

405
00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:53,380
I'm not able to connect to our wifi.

406
00:28:53,580 --> 00:28:54,280
Would it be the monitors?

407
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,400
There we go.

408
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:56,940
Hi.

409
00:28:58,380 --> 00:28:59,200
Can you guys hear me?

410
00:28:59,600 --> 00:28:59,840
Yeah.

411
00:29:00,020 --> 00:29:00,220
Sorry.

412
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,140
We were on mute.

413
00:29:01,460 --> 00:29:02,320
Wifi issues.

414
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,340
So nice to meet you.

415
00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:06,140
It's so nice to meet you.

416
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,613
Would you know,
with the fact that you've involved

417
00:29:08,655 --> 00:29:10,620
in a similar case,
was that disclosed at trial?

418
00:29:11,180 --> 00:29:15,320
They were able to get into it at
like the highest level, but not really.

419
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:17,444
Now the entire government's
case was predicated

420
00:29:17,486 --> 00:29:19,420
on this idea that the
technology didn't work.

421
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:19,760
Right.

422
00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:22,020
But they had no evidence to that.

423
00:29:22,020 --> 00:29:23,953
So they had three patients,
all of which Liz

424
00:29:23,995 --> 00:29:25,880
was acquitted of like
each of those counts.

425
00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:28,080
And then they had nothing else.

426
00:29:28,140 --> 00:29:30,036
So they brought in this
expert witness and had him

427
00:29:30,078 --> 00:29:31,900
say whatever the fuck
they wanted to him to say.

428
00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:32,420
Right.

429
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,840
Like, I mean, it's just procedurally,
totally incorrect.

430
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,218
I mean, you know, some of,
some of the questions that I,

431
00:29:38,260 --> 00:29:40,980
that I would have for you guys would,
I guess would be.

432
00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:57,460
I feel like you're supposed
to make an important point.

433
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:04,730
Every single time that you guys are here,
the Wi-Fi does not work.

434
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:08,770
And so you're thinking of
working with her on your case?

435
00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:15,890
You know, the truth is, like, I don't
have the money to pay her to do that.

436
00:30:15,970 --> 00:30:18,879
So the question would be,
like, would there be a

437
00:30:18,921 --> 00:30:21,810
role for her in, like,
the telling of our story?

438
00:30:21,890 --> 00:30:22,490
I don't know.

439
00:30:22,990 --> 00:30:27,150
But she could help give context as
to where there are strings to be pulled.

440
00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:31,179
You know, it's this weird thing,
because I've seen a lot of

441
00:30:31,221 --> 00:30:35,290
places where I think there's just,
like, fundamental wrongs.

442
00:30:36,050 --> 00:30:39,557
And, you know, I hope that you
guys can look into it, because I

443
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:43,090
think it will yield results that
will really surprise everyone.

444
00:31:03,290 --> 00:31:05,524
But it takes time and
energy and effort and,

445
00:31:05,566 --> 00:31:07,790
like,
passion and somebody to care about it.

446
00:31:07,790 --> 00:31:17,700
So maybe you have it, Nathan, the ability
to think independently and actually, like,

447
00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:18,600
look into facts.

448
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,720
Because the rest of the world
seems totally fucking incapable of it.

449
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,540
Any thoughts?

450
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:29,440
Any thoughts?

451
00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:31,720
I was just listening.

452
00:31:38,260 --> 00:31:38,740
Okay.

453
00:31:52,670 --> 00:31:57,378
I still have this weird
feeling that there's

454
00:31:57,420 --> 00:32:02,380
some things that I'm
not seeing fully about you

455
00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:02,840
guys.

456
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:10,560
I know you guys invited me to stay
here with you, and I declined the offer.

457
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,545
But I've been thinking
maybe if I do take

458
00:32:14,587 --> 00:32:17,480
you up on your offer
and to really be here.

459
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,920
You are welcome to be here.

460
00:32:21,460 --> 00:32:25,320
Does any part of you worry
about me being here 24-7?

461
00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:26,860
I don't think so.

462
00:32:28,940 --> 00:32:32,700
That's what you asked for,
is to see everything.

463
00:32:33,140 --> 00:32:37,540
So this is everything.

464
00:32:39,380 --> 00:32:41,643
But what if I see something
that makes you look

465
00:32:41,685 --> 00:32:43,940
bad, that makes you look guilty,
really guilty?

466
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:45,100
I'm not guilty.

467
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,620
But what if I see something
that makes you look that way?

468
00:32:47,620 --> 00:32:49,420
Then you'll ask questions about it.

469
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,860
You really feel you did nothing wrong?

470
00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:54,380
I did not.

471
00:32:59,210 --> 00:33:01,290
You never tried to deceive anyone?

472
00:33:02,150 --> 00:33:03,490
I've never tried to deceive anyone.

473
00:33:03,810 --> 00:33:04,710
Ever in your life?

474
00:33:05,770 --> 00:33:06,270
No.

475
00:33:07,670 --> 00:33:08,770
Tell me this.

476
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:12,850
Have you ever lied in your life?

477
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:19,480
I don't think so.

478
00:33:20,020 --> 00:33:21,140
Liz, what?

479
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,660
You've never lied in your life?

480
00:33:24,820 --> 00:33:27,340
You've never said something untrue?

481
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,760
Not intentionally.

482
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:29,880
A white lie?

483
00:33:33,790 --> 00:33:34,630
I mean, I don't know.

484
00:33:34,690 --> 00:33:35,810
When I was a kid, you know?

485
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:39,410
But I've always tried
to say what I believe.

486
00:33:39,610 --> 00:33:40,990
That's how I've built my life.

487
00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:43,890
That's why this is so important to me.

488
00:33:46,380 --> 00:33:48,300
What's your definition of a lie?

489
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,720
Intentionally saying something
you believe to be untrue.

490
00:33:55,510 --> 00:33:56,070
Cool.

491
00:33:57,490 --> 00:34:00,390
Let's say you didn't
want to go to a party.

492
00:34:00,930 --> 00:34:03,630
Like a friend's or an
acquaintance's party.

493
00:34:04,750 --> 00:34:08,010
And you're just like, Oh,
I'm not feeling great.

494
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:10,230
You've never done something like that?

495
00:34:10,370 --> 00:34:11,530
Or if you don't like someone?

496
00:34:11,890 --> 00:34:12,050
I'm sure.

497
00:34:12,330 --> 00:34:17,709
I was thinking about lies as the
kind of things I've been accused of.

498
00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:21,930
Well, you've done lies like that.

499
00:34:22,610 --> 00:34:24,350
Telling a friend I feel sick when I don't?

500
00:34:27,130 --> 00:34:27,950
Mama's jacket.

501
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:29,210
That's Mommy's jacket.

502
00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:30,190
Thank you.

503
00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:32,410
Is that Mommy's jacket or Daddy's jacket?

504
00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:34,510
Mama's jacket.

505
00:34:34,590 --> 00:34:35,850
I'm going to take him down to the beach.

506
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:45,230
This adhesion is
essential for cell survival.

507
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:47,943
If cells become detached
from their microenvironment,

508
00:35:47,985 --> 00:35:50,170
they will die through a
process known as apoptosis.

509
00:35:50,170 --> 00:35:54,070
This phenomenon is called
adhesion dependency of survival.

510
00:35:54,770 --> 00:35:58,550
Hey,
is that thing on the bed all there is?

511
00:35:58,650 --> 00:36:00,190
Or is there a mattress too?

512
00:36:01,390 --> 00:36:02,170
For the guest bed?

513
00:36:02,290 --> 00:36:03,570
For the guest bed, yeah.

514
00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:07,670
Yeah, we've got everything
in the storage containers.

515
00:36:07,810 --> 00:36:09,210
Oh, okay.

516
00:36:09,570 --> 00:36:10,590
Yeah, we've got...

517
00:36:10,590 --> 00:36:12,230
This wasn't sure if it was only the...

518
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:14,850
Yeah, we're going to be
sleeping on just bed frames here.

519
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:41,180
Doesn't that mess with your head,
though, when money is involved?

520
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,460
Like, that much money?

521
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:46,160
No, that's not what motivates me.

522
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,260
But what about when the company
starts to be worth so much money?

523
00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:56,760
I've never once sold a share.

524
00:36:57,820 --> 00:37:00,220
It was never what this was about.

525
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,680
Can I play you a piece
of audio that you said?

526
00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:21,940
It's a clip from this interview you
did with this journalist for Fortune.

527
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,880
Parla, I think that was his name.

528
00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:28,294
Is it more in the nature
of a trade secret that

529
00:37:28,336 --> 00:37:30,200
you don't want them
to know you're at the...

530
00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:33,520
That's right.

531
00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:39,890
It's more in the context
of a trade secret.

532
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:46,300
But it, the fact, is a big deal.

533
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,760
And so, I mean,
if we think about this in terms of...

534
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,706
So you say there,
the fact that we have a single

535
00:37:53,748 --> 00:37:56,880
device that can perform
any test is a big deal.

536
00:37:57,940 --> 00:38:02,660
But from what I know, you couldn't
do every test on a single device.

537
00:38:02,740 --> 00:38:03,760
That's the whole problem.

538
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,840
That's why you're going to prison, right?

539
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:07,720
No.

540
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,540
That was our invention.

541
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:13,697
And in the case I talked about,
the fact that we

542
00:38:13,739 --> 00:38:17,420
had invented a device
that could do any test...

543
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,202
But if you had a single
device that could run

544
00:38:21,244 --> 00:38:23,900
any test,
then wasn't that the whole thing?

545
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:32,440
I don't know what you mean by the whole
thing, but what you said is not the case.

546
00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:34,500
And hopefully I can explain that.

547
00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:36,460
What I said is not the case?

548
00:38:36,659 --> 00:38:37,240
What do you mean?

549
00:38:37,820 --> 00:38:39,740
That those statements were untrue.

550
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:43,120
That's a true statement.

551
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:44,920
Yes.

552
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,180
That you have a single device
that can perform any test.

553
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:48,760
We did.

554
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:49,560
That's what we invented.

555
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,840
So this is the famous scam device.

556
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,780
It is not a scam device.

557
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,020
But that's what people think.

558
00:39:37,220 --> 00:39:37,540
Right?

559
00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:40,560
I don't know what people think.

560
00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:42,860
What I know is what we invented.

561
00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:49,640
And to me, the technology is amazing.

562
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,300
So this works, you're saying?

563
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:53,780
It did.

564
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,320
Right now,
these are just components of a system.

565
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,860
It opens itself.

566
00:39:59,980 --> 00:40:00,320
Did you invent it?

567
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:00,880
Did you invent this?

568
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,640
How it opens like that?

569
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,580
Our team did.

570
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,880
I don't remember who
the inventor was on that.

571
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:10,960
That wasn't your idea?

572
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:13,480
I don't remember.

573
00:40:17,230 --> 00:40:21,965
Our technologies worked
by allowing the cartridge,

574
00:40:22,007 --> 00:40:26,970
when it was inserted into a device,
to call the cloud

575
00:40:27,890 --> 00:40:32,830
and send protocols from the
cloud down to the device telling

576
00:40:32,872 --> 00:40:37,770
you what to do with the
cartridge that had just been put in.

577
00:40:38,910 --> 00:40:42,361
And we developed
that for all these different

578
00:40:42,403 --> 00:40:45,590
methods of chemistry
that we were running.

579
00:40:46,170 --> 00:40:50,896
So in that way,
you can run any test because

580
00:40:50,938 --> 00:40:55,810
it's based on the cloud
sending information to

581
00:40:55,810 --> 00:41:01,670
a device and you can preload any different
type of chemistry into the cartridge.

582
00:41:02,070 --> 00:41:02,930
Does that make sense?

583
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:07,270
So the device is different
than the chemistry.

584
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:07,790
Exactly.

585
00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:13,170
The device is capable of running any test.

586
00:41:13,410 --> 00:41:13,610
Yes.

587
00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:20,850
But currently,
the device cannot run every test.

588
00:41:21,390 --> 00:41:26,650
You have to develop the small
sample chemistries for each test.

589
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:31,248
And for certain tests,
I guess, that you hadn't

590
00:41:31,290 --> 00:41:35,050
done successfully on it,
it's theoretical.

591
00:41:36,070 --> 00:41:40,610
Yeah, because this is a
platform that can run those tests.

592
00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:48,790
What you're referring to is a future-based
the device can, is capable of running.

593
00:41:48,990 --> 00:41:51,110
It's the word, I guess, can.

594
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:52,990
What I'm talking about
here is what we invented.

595
00:41:52,990 --> 00:41:54,230
What you invented.

596
00:41:54,630 --> 00:42:04,390
So when you said the device can run
any test, what you meant was the device

597
00:42:04,990 --> 00:42:08,390
is capable of running any test.

598
00:42:09,530 --> 00:42:11,850
What I'm talking
about here is that the

599
00:42:11,892 --> 00:42:14,430
device is capable of running any test,
yes.

600
00:42:15,070 --> 00:42:18,250
Assuming additional
chemistry is developed.

601
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:22,130
Assuming you have the
chemistries to do those things.

602
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:27,630
But, do you understand
that if someone heard the

603
00:42:27,672 --> 00:42:32,610
device can run any test,
how they could interpret that

604
00:42:32,610 --> 00:42:39,410
as currently this device
is running any test.

605
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:45,110
I think we provided
information about the tests

606
00:42:45,152 --> 00:42:49,230
that we had developed
and were developing.

607
00:42:49,810 --> 00:42:56,870
Because people were saying, oh,
it can only run 12 tests on this thing.

608
00:42:59,450 --> 00:43:02,429
I think the problem is the
thing that you're asking Nathan

609
00:43:02,471 --> 00:43:05,490
is what the general public
understood in saying this thing.

610
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:10,183
You're communicating
this thing and everyone

611
00:43:10,225 --> 00:43:13,190
got a different picture
than what you meant.

612
00:43:17,170 --> 00:43:21,850
I was just trying to
communicate the best I knew how.

613
00:43:21,850 --> 00:43:24,810
And you were trying your best to be clear.

614
00:43:34,140 --> 00:43:39,880
Because when you say this and
describe this, I'm like well, wait a sec.

615
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:46,220
I guess, yeah, the device can
like that's right what you're saying.

616
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,360
But, I'm also like well,
why choose those words?

617
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:59,600
Like, why not just like add one
word that would make it clear.

618
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,030
But, I'm a bad communicator.

619
00:44:06,130 --> 00:44:07,530
I don't know a lot of words.

620
00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:10,690
Is that what you're like?

621
00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:24,670
I feel like I know I was trying to fully

622
00:44:24,670 --> 00:44:26,850
communicate what we've created.

623
00:44:27,150 --> 00:44:31,850
And I feel like now I'm
living in a parallel universe.

624
00:44:37,290 --> 00:44:39,030
I don't, yeah, I don't.

625
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,240
I know what you're feeling.

626
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:47,950
No, you don't.

627
00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:58,340
I gotta quickly take this legal call.

628
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:01,040
Do you mind cutting the mic for a second?

629
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:01,880
Sure, yeah.

630
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:31,100
I've been suspicious
that she's ever lied to you.

631
00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:32,320
No, never.

632
00:45:34,180 --> 00:45:35,840
I know it seems weird.

633
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,940
And is like,
you can shower whenever you want?

634
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,340
If I tell somebody I'm busy,
is that a lie?

635
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,100
If you're not, yes.

636
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:48,680
Okay, so I'll say that.

637
00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:51,060
It's right here.

638
00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:51,660
Right.

639
00:45:52,660 --> 00:45:54,540
So you and I get fucked?

640
00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:55,980
Yes, absolutely.

641
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:57,960
Not that I've known her to.

642
00:45:58,020 --> 00:45:59,800
You have to wake up at 3.30?

643
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,680
And I know it seems totally improbable.

644
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:02,720
I understand that.

645
00:46:02,780 --> 00:46:03,160
It's weird.

646
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:04,960
But she's really weird.

647
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,440
She's just not normal.

648
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,700
But the fact that she's
all too famous for lying.

649
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,220
The thing she's never done.

650
00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:18,560
You believe it.

651
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:22,920
You actually believe since high
school she's never told a single lie?

652
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,800
What is an invasive script search?

653
00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:27,560
She's never really thought about it.

654
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,000
What's your theory?

655
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:30,180
It's random.

656
00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:31,100
No, it's not random.

657
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:32,020
It's purposeful.

658
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,900
But where did it start?

659
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,380
Because it didn't
start with the investors.

660
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:39,640
It started with a journalist.

661
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,540
So I think you should look into that.

662
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,849
But why he just picked
a random person and no,

663
00:46:46,891 --> 00:46:49,680
he was put onto the
story by a competition.

664
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,120
Can you see visitors that first weekend?

665
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,780
Is there evidence that that happened?

666
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,700
I think that there's a lot to learn.

667
00:46:59,780 --> 00:47:02,480
Why are you being so weird
and cryptic with your words?

668
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,940
Say what's there.

669
00:47:05,859 --> 00:47:06,220
Okay.

670
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,579
Thank you.

671
00:47:15,540 --> 00:47:16,400
Is he okay?

672
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:17,619
Yeah.

673
00:47:50,540 --> 00:47:57,540
Do you know who Abbott and Costello are?

674
00:47:58,460 --> 00:47:59,100
No.

675
00:47:59,320 --> 00:47:59,840
Not really.

676
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:00,400
No.

677
00:48:02,420 --> 00:48:05,840
Have you heard of the
comedy routine Who's on First?

678
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,620
You haven't.

679
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,280
Can I play this for you?

680
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:11,460
Okay.

681
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:18,210
Something we were talking about
the other day made me think about this.

682
00:48:19,290 --> 00:48:20,190
Oh, sure.

683
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:24,170
Baseball players nowadays
have a lot of funny names.

684
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:29,310
You know, like Sticky Fields, Goofy Dan,
Boobie Barber, Boobie Barber.

685
00:48:33,350 --> 00:48:34,030
But let's see.

686
00:48:34,110 --> 00:48:35,990
We have on our team, Who's on First?

687
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:36,950
What's on Second?

688
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:38,050
I don't know who's on Third.

689
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:39,370
That's what I want to find out,
the guy's name.

690
00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:42,110
Who's on First?

691
00:48:42,210 --> 00:48:42,770
What's on Second?

692
00:48:42,850 --> 00:48:43,770
I don't know who's on Third.

693
00:48:43,970 --> 00:48:45,270
You know the guy's name?

694
00:48:46,170 --> 00:48:46,450
Sure.

695
00:48:48,030 --> 00:48:48,670
Who's on First?

696
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:49,370
What's on Second?

697
00:48:49,450 --> 00:48:50,310
I don't know who's on Third.

698
00:48:50,410 --> 00:48:51,230
You ain't seen nothing to me yet.

699
00:48:51,310 --> 00:48:51,850
Go ahead and tell me.

700
00:48:55,350 --> 00:48:56,070
Who's on First?

701
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:56,930
What's on Second?

702
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:58,290
I don't know who's on Third.

703
00:48:58,430 --> 00:48:59,110
You know the guy's name?

704
00:49:00,250 --> 00:49:00,910
Who's on First?

705
00:49:01,130 --> 00:49:01,990
I mean the guy's name.

706
00:49:02,110 --> 00:49:02,250
Who?

707
00:49:06,110 --> 00:49:06,950
Who's on First?

708
00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:08,170
Why are you asking me for?

709
00:49:08,270 --> 00:49:08,630
I don't know.

710
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:10,970
I'm asking you who's on First.

711
00:49:10,970 --> 00:49:11,570
That's his name.

712
00:49:12,930 --> 00:49:13,450
That's it.

713
00:49:15,210 --> 00:49:16,150
That's his name.

714
00:49:16,610 --> 00:49:17,690
I ain't asking nothing.

715
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:19,270
You know the guy's name on First?

716
00:49:19,330 --> 00:49:19,770
Who?

717
00:49:23,350 --> 00:49:24,470
The guy's name on First.

718
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:25,710
Who is on First?

719
00:49:25,930 --> 00:49:27,310
Why are you asking me for?

720
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:30,270
I'm asking you a simple question.

721
00:49:30,350 --> 00:49:30,990
Who's on First?

722
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:32,350
That's it.

723
00:49:37,110 --> 00:49:41,730
So that's maybe the most
famous comedy routine of all time.

724
00:49:43,810 --> 00:49:45,910
Do you understand why that's funny?

725
00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:51,710
I don't know.

726
00:49:53,770 --> 00:49:55,710
We couldn't understand each other.

727
00:50:00,650 --> 00:50:02,250
Did you find it funny?

728
00:50:02,430 --> 00:50:02,870
I did.

729
00:50:03,330 --> 00:50:05,350
What did you find funny about it?

730
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:10,827
That they were just
talking over and past

731
00:50:10,869 --> 00:50:14,230
each other in a way
that I thought was funny.

732
00:50:16,610 --> 00:50:18,930
What was funny about it?

733
00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:20,890
What did they not understand?

734
00:50:23,530 --> 00:50:27,390
Who the player was that was on First.

735
00:50:27,730 --> 00:50:28,870
And what was his name?

736
00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:30,950
I don't know.

737
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:34,210
The guy who's on First.

738
00:50:34,350 --> 00:50:35,330
What was his name?

739
00:50:36,130 --> 00:50:36,730
I...

740
00:50:37,330 --> 00:50:37,930
I...

741
00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:40,210
I didn't pick it up.

742
00:50:40,510 --> 00:50:42,250
The guy's name is Who.

743
00:50:43,310 --> 00:50:44,470
I didn't get it.

744
00:50:45,290 --> 00:50:46,430
You didn't get that?

745
00:50:46,590 --> 00:50:46,870
No.

746
00:50:47,770 --> 00:50:51,539
And so they didn't
understand each other because

747
00:50:51,581 --> 00:50:55,390
Who sounds like someone
is saying Who's on First.

748
00:50:55,890 --> 00:50:56,690
It's like a question.

749
00:50:57,390 --> 00:50:58,750
But the guy's name is Who.

750
00:50:59,910 --> 00:51:00,730
You get it now?

751
00:51:01,930 --> 00:51:02,490
Yeah.

752
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:10,023
When you were telling me your explanation
of what you meant by the statement

753
00:51:10,065 --> 00:51:14,650
the fact that we have a single
device that can run any test is a big

754
00:51:14,650 --> 00:51:15,070
deal.

755
00:51:15,310 --> 00:51:19,779
It felt like to me well
that statement is so

756
00:51:19,821 --> 00:51:24,730
clearly confusing to
almost like a comedic level.

757
00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:27,830
But you didn't see it that
way when we were talking.

758
00:51:28,590 --> 00:51:29,830
You still don't.

759
00:51:31,070 --> 00:51:36,070
And so I was thinking about it and I
was like this feels like Who's on First.

760
00:51:40,350 --> 00:51:42,190
Is that how it feels to you?

761
00:51:43,450 --> 00:51:44,010
This?

762
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:47,290
What do you mean?

763
00:51:48,270 --> 00:51:49,770
Billy, do you understand what I'm saying?

764
00:51:49,950 --> 00:51:51,210
I know exactly what you're saying.

765
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:56,909
I'm really glad you showed us this
because it in some ways perfectly

766
00:51:56,951 --> 00:52:01,670
illustrates something that I've tried
to communicate and probably not

767
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:04,270
done well enough which
is she just thinks differently.

768
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,940
And it's what allows her to see the world
differently and to do things differently.

769
00:52:11,140 --> 00:52:12,340
But yeah.

770
00:52:13,060 --> 00:52:16,080
I think it's one of the most
beautiful things about who you are.

771
00:52:16,580 --> 00:52:20,100
Something like that might not
resonate with her or make sense.

772
00:52:27,090 --> 00:52:27,510
I don't know.

773
00:52:27,830 --> 00:52:39,400
I felt then and I still felt
that I was describing I mean I

774
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:45,050
thought that I was
communicating effectively.

775
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:56,380
Am I off on this?

776
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:59,700
Or is this like I don't know.

777
00:53:00,140 --> 00:53:01,580
I don't know.

778
00:53:01,940 --> 00:53:02,600
I think he's right.

779
00:53:06,140 --> 00:53:10,821
I think what he's saying is that you
see the world differently and that you are

780
00:53:10,863 --> 00:53:15,880
communicating very clearly in your mind that
your mind works differently than others.

781
00:53:16,340 --> 00:53:20,548
And when other people heard the thing that
you were saying that they heard it in a way in

782
00:53:20,590 --> 00:53:24,980
which they interpreted it to mean something
different than what you were saying in your mind.

783
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:27,760
And I think it's a really apt analogy.

784
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,720
And it's not a bad thing.

785
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,280
You didn't think I was
communicating clearly?

786
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:40,929
Most people view this
and they understand sort of

787
00:53:40,971 --> 00:53:45,770
the joke of who is a
confusing name for a baseball

788
00:53:45,770 --> 00:53:46,250
player.

789
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:54,190
But you watch this and you didn't see
where the confusion was happening.

790
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:04,780
I don't know if it gives you
more clarity or confusion Ethan.

791
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,440
I'm not surprised by that.

792
00:54:08,780 --> 00:54:09,640
Does that make sense?

793
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:11,260
I'm not surprised by that at all.

794
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,935
I'm honestly just wondering
if your mind it doesn't

795
00:54:15,977 --> 00:54:20,520
grasp how a certain statement
can be read as confusing.

796
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:12,010
Curious George visits the zoo.

797
00:55:12,090 --> 00:55:12,710
Where's George?

798
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:14,690
Right here.

799
00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:16,030
The monkey is George.

800
00:55:16,590 --> 00:55:17,030
Hi.

801
00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:19,570
I'm Nathan.

802
00:55:20,810 --> 00:55:21,690
Hi Nathan.

803
00:55:21,810 --> 00:55:22,510
Nice to meet you.

804
00:55:22,530 --> 00:55:23,750
Very nice to meet you.

805
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:24,230
I'm Noel.

806
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:25,050
Noel.

807
00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:27,090
Pleasure to meet you.

808
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:29,270
I thought the Hulu series was untruthful.

809
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:31,590
But people believe these things.

810
00:55:32,010 --> 00:55:34,010
They take these things as gospel.

811
00:55:36,450 --> 00:55:38,990
I read that you worked at Enron?

812
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:40,070
I did.

813
00:55:40,850 --> 00:55:41,870
How was that?

814
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:46,874
You know you spend
your life building up your

815
00:55:46,916 --> 00:55:51,850
name and then suddenly
you're associated with

816
00:55:51,850 --> 00:55:56,750
something that just kind of goes
under and has a horrible reputation.

817
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:59,270
I don't think that's painful for anyone.

818
00:56:01,210 --> 00:56:02,770
Sort of happened to Liz too, huh?

819
00:56:03,710 --> 00:56:04,010
Yeah.

820
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:13,590
Except the difference is that Elizabeth
was by no means guilty of anything.

821
00:56:15,490 --> 00:56:18,850
Where do you think
things went wrong for her?

822
00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:20,210
I can tell you exactly.

823
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:22,990
That's an easy question to answer.

824
00:56:24,590 --> 00:56:29,090
So things went wrong for
Elizabeth when she got raped.

825
00:56:30,250 --> 00:56:33,728
And I think that she was so
stunned by having been raped

826
00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:37,350
that that led to the second
thing that really changed her.

827
00:56:37,450 --> 00:56:40,990
And that was when
Cybal I came into her life.

828
00:56:41,950 --> 00:56:44,770
Elizabeth was like 19
and he was close to 40.

829
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:46,610
Did you know he was 40?

830
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:48,110
No, I knew he was older.

831
00:56:48,670 --> 00:56:49,970
You could tell by how he looked?

832
00:56:50,090 --> 00:56:50,290
Yeah.

833
00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:52,670
Liz said she couldn't tell.

834
00:56:53,530 --> 00:56:56,850
He's 30 years older going into
a freshman college program.

835
00:56:57,090 --> 00:57:03,230
I think that's a pretty clear example
of him trying to seek out young kids.

836
00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:22,760
So Elizabeth Do you

837
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,619
find it like the fact that you
saw Sonny and you knew he was

838
00:57:27,661 --> 00:57:32,640
really old do you find it Hey guys,
as much as I love you guys

839
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,469
doing an interview right
now I think Elizabeth

840
00:57:34,511 --> 00:57:36,420
really wants to spend
time together as a family.

841
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,080
Maybe let's go a few more minutes.

842
00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:41,400
Yeah, however long you want.

843
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,300
The purpose of you guys being here is
for us to be able to spend time together.

844
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,080
Do you want us to leave Billy?

845
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:49,320
No, I don't want you to leave.

846
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,260
I think you guys should document
us spending your time together.

847
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,680
I'm just trying to learn.

848
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,160
Sometimes I can't tell
Billy wants us here or not.

849
00:58:04,780 --> 00:58:09,306
Do you I guess like Sonny
was this very important

850
00:58:09,348 --> 00:58:13,640
relationship in her life
or at least a big one.

851
00:58:16,780 --> 00:58:20,589
How do you feel about the
fact that she's getting into

852
00:58:20,631 --> 00:58:24,200
business with Billy after
what happened with Sonny?

853
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,464
Do you feel like it's
smart to get into business

854
00:58:26,506 --> 00:58:28,640
with someone you're
romantically involved with?

855
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:31,720
Good question.

856
00:58:33,420 --> 00:58:34,880
I trust Billy.

857
00:58:35,940 --> 00:58:37,220
Elizabeth is a lot wiser.

858
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,720
Elizabeth is a lot wiser.

859
00:58:41,860 --> 00:58:42,260
She knows.

860
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,860
I guess Billy wants her to come outside.

861
00:59:08,380 --> 00:59:09,760
I'll do it with you.

862
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:13,960
You'll watch the dropout with me?

863
00:59:14,340 --> 00:59:17,078
I'd prefer to watch as
little of it as required

864
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,840
because I think it's
going to disturb me a lot.

865
00:59:21,020 --> 00:59:21,900
I'll watch it.

866
00:59:22,500 --> 00:59:23,540
Only if you want to.

867
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:26,340
Only if you can do it.

868
00:59:26,340 --> 00:59:31,380
I would love to watch it with
you because I also haven't seen it.

869
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,320
Can you say the company name?

870
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:35,380
Theranos.

871
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,140
No, Theranos.

872
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,120
It's a mix between therapy and diagnosis.

873
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:43,220
Why not Theranos?

874
00:59:44,940 --> 00:59:47,240
Because the name is Theranos.

875
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:49,720
Actually, can we cut that part?

876
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,520
So, currently we have 500 employees.

877
01:00:09,140 --> 01:00:15,660
You have a good eye.

878
01:00:31,690 --> 01:00:32,250
Shit.

879
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:37,180
You know what?

880
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:40,420
It's fine.

881
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:46,750
Okay, I'll, I'll check the TV.

882
01:00:48,350 --> 01:00:49,830
When are you going to move in?

883
01:00:50,990 --> 01:00:51,770
It depends.

884
01:00:52,350 --> 01:00:53,290
On what?

885
01:00:54,330 --> 01:00:56,370
On how it goes today with my parents.

886
01:00:57,450 --> 01:00:59,190
Yes, I've been prepared and streamed.

887
01:01:00,610 --> 01:01:01,570
And your new sword?

888
01:01:02,550 --> 01:01:03,070
Katana.

889
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:05,090
Look at it.

890
01:01:05,930 --> 01:01:07,330
It's fucking ancient.

891
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:11,030
Ask Larry Ellison about retirement.

892
01:01:11,150 --> 01:01:11,870
He loves Japan.

893
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:15,950
How are you on the numbers?

894
01:01:17,710 --> 01:01:20,830
Uh, most blood tests are priced too high.

895
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:25,570
We offer a low-cost alternative
with the possibility to scale up.

896
01:01:25,870 --> 01:01:27,550
Don't talk about saving the world.

897
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:29,510
I'm not going to talk
about saving the world.

898
01:01:30,290 --> 01:01:31,870
Don't use your giddy voice.

899
01:01:32,890 --> 01:01:33,950
Don't save us.

900
01:01:35,550 --> 01:01:45,180
If you don't want to be too beautiful,
they won't take you

901
01:01:45,180 --> 01:01:45,640
seriously.

902
01:01:46,060 --> 01:01:47,260
I really don't want to watch this.

903
01:01:51,000 --> 01:02:12,420
Okay, can

904
01:02:12,420 --> 01:02:13,680
we have a moment together, guys?

905
01:02:14,060 --> 01:02:14,540
Yeah, yeah.

906
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:15,120
Thank you.

907
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:16,440
Sure.

908
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:25,520
I know this journey is a shitty one,
and I know it's like infinitely hard.

909
01:02:26,820 --> 01:02:30,460
But I promise you, we'll get through it.

910
01:02:34,130 --> 01:02:36,930
I love you.

911
01:02:40,030 --> 01:02:42,130
So true and so good.

912
01:02:42,930 --> 01:02:44,530
I need to give to do this.

913
01:02:50,690 --> 01:02:53,850
I think she gets fussy when I hold
her because she wants to feed again.

914
01:02:59,290 --> 01:03:03,673
Isn't it weird that I, like,
did a TV show about business scams,

915
01:03:03,715 --> 01:03:08,070
and you're sort of, like, in trouble for,
like, a business scam?

916
01:03:10,570 --> 01:03:12,590
I never actually read that fiction.

917
01:03:15,530 --> 01:03:18,930
I think it's a pretty different situation.

918
01:03:20,610 --> 01:03:21,310
It could be.

919
01:03:21,490 --> 01:03:26,096
If you just said that,
you know, Theranos was a

920
01:03:26,138 --> 01:03:30,590
comedy bit,
maybe you could get off scot-free.

921
01:03:32,130 --> 01:03:33,030
It was real.

922
01:03:34,830 --> 01:03:35,310
Yeah.

923
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:38,130
It was just a joke.

924
01:03:38,550 --> 01:03:38,910
Okay.

925
01:03:39,830 --> 01:03:40,950
As you know, I'm literal.

926
01:03:41,310 --> 01:03:42,450
No, no, I know.

927
01:03:42,530 --> 01:03:45,230
I was just kind of making a little joke.

928
01:03:45,450 --> 01:03:47,010
Maybe it was bad taste.

929
01:03:47,930 --> 01:03:48,570
Yes.

930
01:03:52,930 --> 01:03:56,170
It's always felt free to
me being in the water.

931
01:03:56,490 --> 01:03:57,210
It's like so.

932
01:03:58,570 --> 01:03:59,930
Vast and beautiful.

933
01:04:02,070 --> 01:04:03,110
Close your head.

934
01:04:03,530 --> 01:04:04,010
Resets you.

935
01:04:08,220 --> 01:04:09,560
Come jump in with me.

936
01:04:12,410 --> 01:04:13,870
You're asking me to go.

937
01:04:14,610 --> 01:04:14,790
Yeah.

938
01:04:23,620 --> 01:04:26,160
Yeah, I'm normally afraid of cold water.

939
01:04:27,020 --> 01:04:27,500
Okay.

940
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,780
I could break the rule, but, yeah.

941
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:33,580
No pressure.

942
01:04:34,820 --> 01:04:37,560
What are you guys going to
be needing to work on now?

943
01:04:38,260 --> 01:04:42,660
We'll start following up with
people and giving people calls.

944
01:04:42,900 --> 01:04:43,200
Okay.

945
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,500
About starting to work on,
maybe do some prototyping.

946
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,290
I wanted to ask you,
are you starting to

947
01:04:51,332 --> 01:04:54,460
think about an idea for
a new type of sensor?

948
01:04:54,700 --> 01:04:56,180
Thank you so much for taking the time.

949
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:57,600
There's a real opportunity.

950
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,616
To leverage what's next generation
tech in self-driving and tunable

951
01:05:02,658 --> 01:05:06,840
lasers and all these other
dimensions into the field of medicine.

952
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:07,660
We have a laser.

953
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,600
The idea is to be able to directly
measure, like, analyze in a sample.

954
01:05:20,060 --> 01:05:23,735
If there's enough off-the-shelf
components, like in existing

955
01:05:23,777 --> 01:05:27,980
research institute labs, that we
could go there and run some samples.

956
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:29,140
Yeah, absolutely.

957
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:34,404
And the idea is, like, we get our hands on one,
determine how good the data is, and then our process

958
01:05:34,446 --> 01:05:39,500
would be, how do we miniaturize and cost-cut, which
Liz's experience in building Theranos, I think, is

959
01:05:39,500 --> 01:05:40,060
so relevant.

960
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:45,315
Whatever the limitations in the optics are
going to be, I think can be potentially

961
01:05:45,357 --> 01:05:49,760
compensated for in part through the
data set and through the algorithms.

962
01:05:50,020 --> 01:05:53,401
I think you would be able
to come up with some of the

963
01:05:53,443 --> 01:05:56,800
best algorithms that we
could make to do that, right?

964
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,051
Yeah, just, like,
look at it and see, like, how, you

965
01:06:02,093 --> 01:06:05,460
know, an expert virologist,
like, what can they tell you?

966
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:10,043
If you can hit a dollar a test in
low-income, like, low-resource

967
01:06:10,085 --> 01:06:14,940
settings where there's no testing
infrastructure, you can change things.

968
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,735
I think the bigger question is, can you
get the test that cheap because of the

969
01:06:18,777 --> 01:06:22,020
compute required to run it, you know,
how many cycles you're going to need?

970
01:06:22,180 --> 01:06:23,760
Totally, totally agree with that.

971
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:25,820
Yeah,
so I think that's probably the best way.

972
01:06:25,820 --> 01:06:29,020
This is going to be a classic
moment for the failed bats.

973
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,320
From wherever I am, I'm going
to continue to work on inventing.

974
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,860
Like, even if it's inventing from a cage,
I have to do it.

975
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,060
The powers that be might not be
too happy to see this come about.

976
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:40,540
Wow.

977
01:06:43,970 --> 01:06:46,970
He's really inspired that we're
still trying to see this through.

978
01:06:47,110 --> 01:06:49,350
He thinks it's amazing,
and he wants to help raise money.

979
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:53,810
I feel so energized after that.

980
01:06:54,790 --> 01:06:55,150
Yeah?

981
01:06:55,330 --> 01:06:55,490
Yeah.

982
01:06:56,350 --> 01:06:56,590
Why?

983
01:06:57,810 --> 01:07:00,050
Because it's, like,
what I feel like I was born to do.

984
01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:05,495
What I'm thinking is, as I work
on my ideas, I'll just lay them out

985
01:07:05,537 --> 01:07:10,110
in letters and write to you with
ideas and drawings and diagrams.

986
01:07:10,350 --> 01:07:13,579
We can do, like,
a once-a-week patent session with

987
01:07:13,621 --> 01:07:16,570
10 of the team, like,
with the patent lawyers.

988
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:18,950
So we can take those ideas,
and then we can file them.

989
01:07:19,170 --> 01:07:19,490
Yes.

990
01:07:19,930 --> 01:07:23,308
I mean, at a high level, like,
the tangible goal is how

991
01:07:23,350 --> 01:07:26,890
do we go from idea to working
prototype in under 365 days.

992
01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:28,950
I totally agree with that.

993
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:32,149
I mean, I think doing bottom-up
on the milestones that we've

994
01:07:32,191 --> 01:07:35,590
built and then also having goals
with this on the research side.

995
01:07:35,610 --> 01:07:36,450
Yeah, volume and quantity.

996
01:07:36,650 --> 01:07:38,234
I think that, like,
it's alluring to be, like,

997
01:07:38,276 --> 01:07:39,830
oh, you know,
it's going to be this and that.

998
01:07:40,670 --> 01:07:45,130
And I think near-term goals is hiring a
team, or, like, getting the band together.

999
01:07:45,830 --> 01:07:49,265
So we've got a world-class optics
guy and some guy on the artificial

1000
01:07:49,307 --> 01:07:52,630
intelligence learning side who's
going to be on signal processing.

1001
01:07:53,070 --> 01:07:56,450
They would be added to the patent as well,
and then eventually we'd file them.

1002
01:08:07,550 --> 01:08:09,870
I think the opportunity is super simple.

1003
01:08:10,730 --> 01:08:15,648
It illustrates to people who are watching
that although you might not physically be

1004
01:08:15,690 --> 01:08:20,530
there with me, how I'm feeling, how I'm
thinking, that you are constantly present.

1005
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:27,086
And I think visually representing
that in some way is really important for

1006
01:08:27,128 --> 01:08:31,990
the kids, like illustrating reading
them a book or something or singing

1007
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:32,390
to them.

1008
01:08:37,480 --> 01:08:39,680
So this one over here is just face.

1009
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:40,360
Yep.

1010
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:41,580
So kind of chest up.

1011
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:41,940
Right.

1012
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,160
And it's going to do two things.

1013
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,815
So it's going to capture a three-dimensional
image of her face, and then

1014
01:08:46,857 --> 01:08:50,480
it's also going to overlay the photos
on top of that to capture the color.

1015
01:08:50,660 --> 01:08:50,840
Right.

1016
01:08:51,020 --> 01:08:54,260
So we're going to do a neutral of you,
just like you are now.

1017
01:08:54,440 --> 01:08:57,380
And then after we do that one neutral,
we're going to come back.

1018
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:00,460
We're going to put your hair
back and put a bald cap on you.

1019
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,999
And then I'm going to put just
several markers on your face that's

1020
01:09:04,041 --> 01:09:07,500
just this washable kind of thing
that I use for doing facial markers.

1021
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:12,820
And that's for stitching all these
expressions together inside of a software.

1022
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,400
So I have 220 cameras in
this room for the whole body.

1023
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:21,260
I have 70 in here that generates a
high-resolution piece of geometry.

1024
01:09:21,780 --> 01:09:25,229
And they use these
expressions to stitch together

1025
01:09:25,271 --> 01:09:28,760
you later through a
hologram or a game or a video.

1026
01:09:29,380 --> 01:09:32,060
Do you guys have any
questions or anything?

1027
01:09:33,620 --> 01:09:38,408
So I have a weird history
with being on the camera

1028
01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:42,900
because I wasn't on the
camera for a long time.

1029
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,436
And then I had all
these people telling me to

1030
01:09:45,478 --> 01:09:48,020
go get my picture taken
and do all these pieces.

1031
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,840
And it ended up hurting us so much.

1032
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:55,020
And I just feel like the last thing Liz
ever would have done was do this, right?

1033
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:57,718
But now that is the thing
that she's very known for

1034
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,900
because some photographers
have posed like this.

1035
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,580
You're talking about the famous photo,
right?

1036
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:04,560
Yeah.

1037
01:10:06,380 --> 01:10:10,080
I mean, if you know this media
narrative about me, it's that I

1038
01:10:10,122 --> 01:10:13,980
wanted to be in the media or I
wanted to be in all these stories.

1039
01:10:14,780 --> 01:10:20,940
And I had all these people telling me to
go do those stories to help our company.

1040
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:28,080
And now I'm just wanting to make
sure that we use it in the right way.

1041
01:10:28,260 --> 01:10:29,560
And that's the right thing to do.

1042
01:10:33,820 --> 01:10:36,660
One, two, three.

1043
01:10:37,020 --> 01:10:39,240
And then go ahead, up ahead.

1044
01:10:39,380 --> 01:10:39,980
Yep, that's good.

1045
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:41,140
We're going to do two of these.

1046
01:10:41,460 --> 01:10:43,720
One, two.

1047
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,320
And then our other pose was this.

1048
01:10:47,140 --> 01:10:47,320
Yep.

1049
01:10:47,660 --> 01:10:50,800
One, two, and three.

1050
01:10:51,340 --> 01:10:52,780
And now come up above our head.

1051
01:10:52,780 --> 01:10:53,880
And she could also hold her phone.

1052
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,300
Yeah, that's a good idea.

1053
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:05,860
Okay.

1054
01:11:06,540 --> 01:11:06,820
Yeah.

1055
01:11:10,940 --> 01:11:11,420
Are you texting?

1056
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:13,400
I don't think texting.

1057
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:51,400
I was just not going to watch

1058
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:51,940
for it either.

1059
01:12:00,290 --> 01:12:01,210
Whoa, there it is.

1060
01:12:01,250 --> 01:12:01,830
There it was, right?

1061
01:12:01,930 --> 01:12:02,150
Yeah.

1062
01:12:02,250 --> 01:12:02,410
Yeah.

1063
01:12:12,540 --> 01:12:16,040
You know, there's so much going on,
but in this moment, I'm perfectly happy.

1064
01:12:30,900 --> 01:12:31,860
My favorite sweater.

1065
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:33,620
You can wear this.

1066
01:12:35,140 --> 01:12:36,080
I love it.

1067
01:12:36,340 --> 01:12:37,700
Great with the big jeans.

1068
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:38,300
Perfect.

1069
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:50,720
I'm not that person.

1070
01:12:51,340 --> 01:12:52,340
I can promise you that.

1071
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:55,660
Why would I deceive you?

1072
01:12:57,460 --> 01:13:01,120
There's no reason for me to do that.

1073
01:13:08,420 --> 01:13:09,260
It's weird.

1074
01:13:09,460 --> 01:13:13,581
The thing that's throwing me the
most is how inviting you are, and you're

1075
01:13:13,623 --> 01:13:17,840
giving me so much access, and you're
letting me listen to you all day long.

1076
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:20,240
And you're doing this thing again.

1077
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,340
You're continuing with their notes.

1078
01:13:23,340 --> 01:13:27,588
And as you're building it again,
it's like everything

1079
01:13:27,630 --> 01:13:31,680
here points to, like,
someone with nothing to hide.

1080
01:13:34,460 --> 01:13:35,960
It's because I don't
have anything to hide.

1081
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:40,690
I'm building the idea again.

1082
01:13:40,810 --> 01:13:46,230
It's not there else, but it's the
invention, the technology, the ideas.

1083
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:46,650
Yeah.

1084
01:13:50,410 --> 01:13:55,352
Right now, the only thing I
really have to go off of is you,

1085
01:13:55,394 --> 01:14:00,050
because ultimately,
it's about what you meant by what you

1086
01:14:00,050 --> 01:14:00,490
said.

1087
01:14:00,810 --> 01:14:02,930
You're the only person
that can answer that.

1088
01:14:03,170 --> 01:14:03,410
I know.

1089
01:14:03,690 --> 01:14:03,990
I know.

1090
01:14:04,490 --> 01:14:06,970
I mean, hopefully I'm
showing that with my actions.

1091
01:14:07,290 --> 01:14:08,810
I'm not just telling you there's a truth.

1092
01:14:09,070 --> 01:14:12,630
I'm living by that belief.

1093
01:14:14,590 --> 01:14:15,770
But you're smart.

1094
01:14:15,930 --> 01:14:17,390
You're smart, right?

1095
01:14:18,910 --> 01:14:20,150
I don't know about that.

1096
01:14:20,190 --> 01:14:21,110
You're very smart.

1097
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:21,990
Come on, right?

1098
01:14:23,050 --> 01:14:24,030
I mean, that's what we're fighting.

1099
01:14:24,030 --> 01:14:25,290
That's why I'm not fighting.

1100
01:14:28,170 --> 01:14:30,804
Otherwise, I would settle and
have more time with my babies,

1101
01:14:30,846 --> 01:14:33,170
which is what I want more
than anything in the world.

1102
01:14:35,150 --> 01:14:35,550
Okay.

1103
01:14:40,860 --> 01:14:41,800
Okay, good job.

1104
01:14:53,090 --> 01:14:54,350
You're being real right now?

1105
01:14:55,170 --> 01:14:56,130
I'm always being real.

1106
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:42,300
I like

1107
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:42,500
this.

1108
01:15:42,660 --> 01:15:43,560
This is a really nice place.

1109
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:37,120
I know this is your final
couple hours together.

1110
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:41,835
I don't know if you're all here,
but if you want to

1111
01:16:41,877 --> 01:16:46,520
have a moment,
I'm happy to step out and you guys can

1112
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,080
have some time.

1113
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:49,280
But if not, that's okay.

1114
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,300
But we do need to take a shower
because we didn't shower this morning.

1115
01:16:54,020 --> 01:16:58,280
Just to give you the option because you're
going to be gone for a very long time.

1116
01:16:58,380 --> 01:17:02,920
You won't be able to have sex,
so I'm happy to just leave.

1117
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,980
I can go in my car if you want some time,
just the two of you.

1118
01:17:07,099 --> 01:17:09,980
I'm happy to pull the
cameras out and go away.

1119
01:17:09,980 --> 01:17:14,790
I love you.

1120
01:17:16,349 --> 01:17:17,589
Does it make you laugh?

1121
01:17:18,369 --> 01:17:18,930
That's good.

1122
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:23,660
You can use a few laughs today.

1123
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:41,540
All right.

1124
01:17:41,820 --> 01:17:43,860
I'll just, uh...

1125
01:17:45,740 --> 01:18:03,390
?? And

1126
01:18:03,390 --> 01:18:06,250
there was this huge fight over
Elizabeth Patton during COVID.

1127
01:18:06,250 --> 01:18:08,696
You know, when she was
already not even associated with the

1128
01:18:08,738 --> 01:18:11,390
company, where people were
arguing over getting her hands on it.

1129
01:18:11,870 --> 01:18:16,790
But none of that has picked up on
because it's all very frothy right now.

1130
01:18:16,990 --> 01:18:20,354
You know, people are making a fortune,
you know, off of Elizabeth's

1131
01:18:20,396 --> 01:18:23,450
story, the negative side of her story,
not the positive side.

1132
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:24,730
But you watch.

1133
01:18:24,850 --> 01:18:27,416
I mean,
I'll be dead when this all happens,

1134
01:18:27,458 --> 01:18:29,650
but you watch a few
decades from now.

1135
01:18:29,730 --> 01:18:33,490
The whole story is going to be coming
out about my daughter, our daughter.

1136
01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:34,490
Oh, hey.

1137
01:18:35,710 --> 01:18:36,630
How was it?

1138
01:18:38,670 --> 01:18:39,150
Good?

1139
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:40,310
Yeah.

1140
01:18:40,990 --> 01:18:41,430
Good.

1141
01:18:42,490 --> 01:18:46,270
Okay, so we're going to print this,
and then we're going to head out.

1142
01:18:46,450 --> 01:18:47,837
We're going to grab
food along the way

1143
01:18:47,879 --> 01:18:49,490
because we need to
get you something to eat.

1144
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:50,570
Maybe a smoothie.

1145
01:18:53,650 --> 01:18:54,610
And then...

1146
01:18:54,610 --> 01:18:55,990
I'm going to put these shoes on.

1147
01:18:56,530 --> 01:18:56,810
Okay.

1148
01:19:01,690 --> 01:19:05,610
Liz, I got you, like,
a little card and a thing.

1149
01:19:05,610 --> 01:19:07,610
Thank you.

1150
01:19:19,650 --> 01:19:20,010
No problem.

1151
01:19:21,570 --> 01:19:23,885
This is kind of like a bit of a gag gift,
but I

1152
01:19:23,927 --> 01:19:26,430
didn't know your parents
would be here or whatever.

1153
01:19:26,650 --> 01:19:27,270
Well, I don't know.

1154
01:19:28,110 --> 01:19:29,030
Don't get offended.

1155
01:19:29,150 --> 01:19:30,490
It's just kind of like a joke.

1156
01:19:31,610 --> 01:19:34,856
It was like, you know, like,
hair dye and glasses in case

1157
01:19:34,898 --> 01:19:38,070
she wants to, like,
flee to another country last minute.

1158
01:19:39,670 --> 01:19:40,510
Just a joke.

1159
01:19:41,550 --> 01:19:43,390
Sometimes I joke with her, too.

1160
01:19:43,690 --> 01:19:47,090
But anyways,
maybe not appropriate for the moment.

1161
01:19:51,230 --> 01:19:52,650
All right, should we do this?

1162
01:19:52,810 --> 01:19:54,230
Okay, I'll just send you the contact list.

1163
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:56,170
So we got that.

1164
01:19:58,510 --> 01:20:01,050
I have milk for Ivy in the fridge.

1165
01:20:01,230 --> 01:20:01,510
Okay.

1166
01:20:03,690 --> 01:20:04,550
Bring it to her.

1167
01:20:05,150 --> 01:20:05,550
Okay.

1168
01:20:10,270 --> 01:20:11,450
I'm going to bring it to her.

1169
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,300
No, I'm going to keep my
backpack in the back seat, please.

1170
01:20:21,500 --> 01:20:21,600
Okay.

1171
01:20:33,650 --> 01:20:49,060
Oh, goodness.

1172
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:07,590
Stay tough.

1173
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:08,930
Thank you.

1174
01:24:14,510 --> 01:24:18,760
Like, we don't know exactly where there's going
to be roadblocks, but where there are roadblocks,

1175
01:24:18,802 --> 01:24:22,610
Liz will come up with solutions to those
roadblocks, and she'll come up with new ideas.

1176
01:24:23,070 --> 01:24:27,567
So in a year, I think I'd like to
have a working prototype, a team of

1177
01:24:27,609 --> 01:24:32,210
people assembled, and then I'd
like to start developing the first test.

1178
01:24:33,690 --> 01:24:34,210
Yeah?

1179
01:24:34,990 --> 01:24:37,530
I tried getting a
hold of that New York

1180
01:24:37,572 --> 01:24:40,410
Times reporter to see
if she had that quote.

1181
01:24:41,630 --> 01:24:46,390
Yeah, well, we recorded every interaction
with this reporter, every single one.

1182
01:24:48,990 --> 01:24:50,070
Could you send them to me?

1183
01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:53,910
No, I haven't checked the
whole thing for everything.

1184
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:55,490
All right.

1185
01:24:55,490 --> 01:24:56,330
Okay.

1186
01:24:56,330 --> 01:25:00,450
Well, so a working prototype
within a year, you say?

1187
01:25:01,010 --> 01:25:01,790
Yeah, that's the goal.

1188
01:25:02,110 --> 01:25:02,590
Okay.

1189
01:25:03,230 --> 01:25:03,930
That's the goal.

1190
01:25:05,250 --> 01:25:08,210
I guess give me a call when it's done.

1191
01:25:31,480 --> 01:25:50,480
We use

1192
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:50,960
lasers.

1193
01:26:16,540 --> 01:26:20,980
There have been developments over the course
of the last handful of years that the approach

1194
01:26:21,022 --> 01:26:25,600
that we are taking and the way in which we are
solving the problem is uniquely possible today.

1195
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,260
Artificial intelligence
allows you to do that.

1196
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:34,918
And I think a lot of people don't yet know
that that's possible, and the reason why

1197
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:39,760
we know this is because Joe, really, not
me, has been at the forefront of the most

1198
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:44,080
innovative technology in the world for
these subcomponents and how they're used.

1199
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:48,830
We have a technology where we
can look at a specific molecule and

1200
01:26:48,872 --> 01:26:53,880
start with extremely high resolution,
tell you what's different about

1201
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,420
its fingerprint today
than it was last week.

1202
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:01,260
I mean, that changes
everything in the medical universe.

1203
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,500
The purple boxes here are lasers.

1204
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,960
So those lasers can be 10,000
different wavelengths of light each.

1205
01:27:08,180 --> 01:27:11,389
You send light through a sample,
blood or urine or saliva,

1206
01:27:11,431 --> 01:27:14,900
that light changes wavelength
depending on what's inside of it.

1207
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,678
And once we catch that light,
we then put it

1208
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,240
into our computer to
interpret the results.

1209
01:27:20,620 --> 01:27:22,360
Is this the new device?

1210
01:27:22,740 --> 01:27:26,640
These components are part of the device.

1211
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,424
All of these will be shrunk down
into something about half the

1212
01:27:30,466 --> 01:27:33,560
size of a Kleenex box,
so you can test for disease with it.

1213
01:27:33,660 --> 01:27:36,460
But accuracy is around 96%, 97%.

1214
01:27:36,460 --> 01:27:40,740
Is it, like,
harder to make decisions together now?

1215
01:27:40,740 --> 01:27:41,880
You and Liz?

1216
01:27:43,900 --> 01:27:49,380
I think there's just so much trust that
most things I don't really consult her on.

1217
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:50,620
Like, I know what she'd want.

1218
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:55,840
I mean, I don't know anybody else that
has a relationship as close as we have.

1219
01:28:11,310 --> 01:28:15,110
I sink to the bottom, beneath the crust.

1220
01:28:19,620 --> 01:28:23,380
How long does it take to take audio
clips and then, like, hold on to them?

1221
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:48,440
It's so crazy because when this was taken,
she had given birth, like, a month before.

1222
01:28:49,820 --> 01:28:51,080
She looks so different now.

1223
01:28:53,580 --> 01:28:54,820
Like, she looks so much healthier.

1224
01:28:56,580 --> 01:28:56,940
Now?

1225
01:28:58,200 --> 01:28:58,640
Yeah.

1226
01:28:59,940 --> 01:29:01,520
She doesn't look healthy here?

1227
01:29:02,180 --> 01:29:03,540
No,
it's not that she doesn't look healthy.

1228
01:29:03,740 --> 01:29:04,480
I don't mean healthy.

1229
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:05,820
That's the wrong way to describe it.

1230
01:29:06,060 --> 01:29:07,500
She looks so much more fit.

1231
01:29:09,540 --> 01:29:11,000
Like, she's got abs.

1232
01:29:14,370 --> 01:29:15,970
Healthy is the wrong way to describe it.

1233
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:20,010
That's what this is all about.

1234
01:29:20,370 --> 01:29:27,390
It's being able to look at a person's, you
know, body chemistry at a molecular level.

1235
01:29:28,210 --> 01:29:31,547
How do you feel about,
like, carrying on or

1236
01:29:31,589 --> 01:29:35,350
being a part of carrying
on the Theranos mission?

1237
01:29:36,010 --> 01:29:37,690
If you're going to solve the problem.

1238
01:29:38,030 --> 01:29:41,490
It happens with multiple failures.

1239
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:45,550
Theranos is one failure on a path,
and there will be more.

1240
01:29:46,170 --> 01:29:47,650
What do you feel like they did wrong?

1241
01:29:48,430 --> 01:29:49,430
Well, they used the wrong technology.

1242
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:52,690
And it was a step along the way,
and there are people doing it right now.

1243
01:29:53,070 --> 01:29:56,448
I appreciate the line of questioning,
but

1244
01:29:56,490 --> 01:29:59,990
I think that the truth
is Joe wasn't there.

1245
01:30:00,410 --> 01:30:03,930
I can figure out the question to ask.

1246
01:30:04,730 --> 01:30:05,390
Is that okay?

1247
01:30:09,940 --> 01:30:16,320
I look at the Theranos endeavor
as a wealth of information.

1248
01:30:17,660 --> 01:30:20,440
Some things what to do,
and some things what not to do.

1249
01:30:20,440 --> 01:30:25,440
And as far as how it imploded,
the claims that they made.

1250
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,040
I mean, let me just put it this way.

1251
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:32,291
Entrepreneurs, even the best of them,
Elon Musk, make

1252
01:30:32,333 --> 01:30:36,580
claims that are not true
at any given point in time.

1253
01:30:37,180 --> 01:30:42,580
We're going to have a self-driving car,
and people pay money for it.

1254
01:30:42,820 --> 01:30:44,440
So the point of...

1255
01:30:45,220 --> 01:30:46,560
Wait, what's going on?

1256
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:47,680
You guys can turn off the cameras.

1257
01:30:47,980 --> 01:30:48,240
Thank you.

1258
01:30:48,620 --> 01:30:49,400
What's the issue?

1259
01:30:50,340 --> 01:30:52,380
If you'd like to talk about it,
turn off the cameras.

1260
01:30:52,440 --> 01:30:53,280
I want to know the issue.

1261
01:30:53,519 --> 01:30:54,620
I'm asking you to turn off the cameras.

1262
01:30:54,860 --> 01:30:56,715
Bill,
you can't just walk in the middle of an

1263
01:30:56,757 --> 01:30:58,940
interview and turn off the
cameras whenever you want.

1264
01:30:59,020 --> 01:31:00,240
You're not the director of this.

1265
01:31:00,300 --> 01:31:01,020
I'm not the director.

1266
01:31:01,140 --> 01:31:02,500
I'm not trying to be the director.

1267
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:02,800
Right.

1268
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:04,600
So I'm asking you to turn off the cameras.

1269
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:05,860
I'm not going to engage with you.

1270
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:07,080
Can you tell me?

1271
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:08,520
I have no idea what you're talking about.

1272
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:10,280
I can tell you when the cameras are off,
but I'm not talking to you.

1273
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:10,820
Okay, sorry.

1274
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:11,520
Sorry, Joe.

1275
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:12,980
I'm going to ask you now ten times.

1276
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:14,120
Okay, turn off the cameras.

1277
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:27,580
I submitted

1278
01:31:27,580 --> 01:31:36,660
an application to visit Liz in
prison to get the cameras in there.

1279
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:38,800
Oh, that's never going to happen.

1280
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:40,240
Why?

1281
01:31:48,340 --> 01:31:51,730
Because I know more about
what they are allowed to do.

1282
01:31:52,010 --> 01:31:53,850
You think there's no
chance it's going to happen?

1283
01:31:55,610 --> 01:31:59,350
Chances below negative,
it's not going to happen.

1284
01:31:59,350 --> 01:32:03,921
And I love how we are repeating
our story about the woman who picked

1285
01:32:03,963 --> 01:32:09,310
blueberries and changed the world with
her gesture of kindness that went on from

1286
01:32:09,310 --> 01:32:10,530
one person to the next.

1287
01:32:11,230 --> 01:32:15,459
I really meant it when we were
talking about discovering all the most

1288
01:32:15,501 --> 01:32:19,830
profound insights from our study
and discovering the nature of Dr. Yes.

1289
01:32:20,510 --> 01:32:22,870
So many incredible
inventions are to be had.

1290
01:32:23,570 --> 01:32:26,210
Tomorrow we will work on
our design again together.

1291
01:32:26,750 --> 01:32:29,090
I am literally living for it.

1292
01:32:30,010 --> 01:32:32,710
I think Liz would tell
you if she was here.

1293
01:32:33,470 --> 01:32:35,150
Let me speak for her for a moment.

1294
01:32:37,330 --> 01:32:41,990
It's the thing that she thinks
she will be remembered for.

1295
01:32:43,930 --> 01:32:45,530
It's for our relationship.

1296
01:32:46,570 --> 01:32:50,534
What she says is that every
action she takes for as long

1297
01:32:50,576 --> 01:32:54,370
as she lives will be building
monuments of love to me.

1298
01:32:55,470 --> 01:32:56,030
Wow.

1299
01:33:00,230 --> 01:33:00,830
For you?

1300
01:33:01,370 --> 01:33:03,050
Yeah, that's what she would say.

1301
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:09,553
Liz told me you
can get pretty heated

1302
01:33:09,595 --> 01:33:12,800
sometimes when she
didn't elaborate really.

1303
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:13,480
Yeah.

1304
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:15,400
So what did she mean?

1305
01:33:15,860 --> 01:33:17,700
I mean,
you saw today I got really frustrated.

1306
01:33:17,860 --> 01:33:18,760
I'm really protective.

1307
01:33:21,570 --> 01:33:25,670
Can I ask what are your arguments
like with her when you guys fight?

1308
01:33:25,670 --> 01:33:31,590
I mean, we've never really
had like a significant argument.

1309
01:33:31,910 --> 01:33:35,330
And I know that sounds crazy,
but we really don't argue.

1310
01:33:36,290 --> 01:33:37,170
Like the way in which we fight.

1311
01:33:37,170 --> 01:33:38,190
You don't argue ever?

1312
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:39,310
No.

1313
01:33:42,340 --> 01:33:46,060
Are you able to sense when
she's frustrated with you?

1314
01:33:49,450 --> 01:33:51,210
I don't think she really
gets frustrated with me.

1315
01:33:51,270 --> 01:33:52,970
I know it sounds crazy.

1316
01:33:53,590 --> 01:33:55,930
Have you ever asked her?

1317
01:33:55,930 --> 01:34:00,471
I mean,
she tells me just about like we tell each

1318
01:34:00,513 --> 01:34:04,910
other just about everything
that we're thinking.

1319
01:34:05,269 --> 01:34:08,202
So you're saying you
can sense that she would

1320
01:34:08,244 --> 01:34:10,829
tell you if she was
frustrated with you?

1321
01:34:11,670 --> 01:34:12,030
Yeah.

1322
01:34:12,230 --> 01:34:13,510
Even without you asking?

1323
01:34:19,610 --> 01:34:24,450
Do you feel like she has a track record of
standing up for herself in relationships?

1324
01:34:53,550 --> 01:34:56,510
What are these billboards
that are all over LA?

1325
01:34:56,650 --> 01:34:57,210
Are these yours?

1326
01:34:57,210 --> 01:34:59,670
I have nothing to do with it.

1327
01:34:59,930 --> 01:35:02,210
I have literally nothing to do with it.

1328
01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:04,190
What are they?

1329
01:35:05,230 --> 01:35:06,510
Do you know?

1330
01:35:06,650 --> 01:35:08,930
I don't know because I haven't asked,
but my vet is in LA.

1331
01:35:09,070 --> 01:35:11,670
He's probably spent
$350,000 on billboards.

1332
01:35:11,970 --> 01:35:14,150
Probably another $250,000
to $300,000 in Florida.

1333
01:35:14,370 --> 01:35:14,830
Who's he?

1334
01:35:14,970 --> 01:35:16,470
He had two billboards in Times Square.

1335
01:35:17,430 --> 01:35:19,230
So you know this guy?

1336
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:25,670
He's the guy who just hates seeing people
who are wrongfully accused of things.

1337
01:35:25,670 --> 01:35:30,130
He also happens to run one of the
largest diagnostics labs in the country.

1338
01:35:30,550 --> 01:35:32,070
And he feels like she's innocent.

1339
01:35:34,530 --> 01:35:36,170
How do you feel about this?

1340
01:35:36,650 --> 01:35:40,330
Him using her face like
that to promote his stuff.

1341
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:45,830
Look, I really admire his conviction
and effort to try and help this.

1342
01:35:46,470 --> 01:35:49,070
But he's using that famous photo of her,
right?

1343
01:35:49,310 --> 01:35:50,090
Oh man, you know what?

1344
01:35:50,230 --> 01:35:51,410
He's a very nice guy.

1345
01:35:51,410 --> 01:35:52,830
The one that makes her really upset.

1346
01:35:52,830 --> 01:35:56,290
You know, his intentions are like,
here, he really wants to help Liz.

1347
01:35:56,710 --> 01:36:01,536
In 2007, when I went to pharmaceuticals
and introduced my machine,

1348
01:36:01,578 --> 01:36:06,590
and they started testing it on patients,
no one could understand what

1349
01:36:06,590 --> 01:36:07,690
I was trying to show.

1350
01:36:08,550 --> 01:36:10,310
You took $500,000.

1351
01:36:10,410 --> 01:36:12,070
Sir, how do I go now?

1352
01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:17,010
Listen, you took $500,000.

1353
01:36:18,230 --> 01:36:19,050
And for what?

1354
01:36:19,170 --> 01:36:21,290
If I push the button, it's unquestionable.

1355
01:36:42,290 --> 01:36:44,090
Hey bud, I got to run.

1356
01:36:44,510 --> 01:36:45,550
But we're going to get her out soon.

1357
01:36:45,890 --> 01:36:48,070
I feel like the tide is turning.

1358
01:36:49,670 --> 01:36:50,830
Yeah, I'll give you a run.

1359
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:56,290
Is that the billboard
guy you were talking to?

1360
01:36:56,610 --> 01:36:56,930
Yes.

1361
01:36:57,310 --> 01:36:58,430
That is Ryan.

1362
01:36:58,830 --> 01:37:00,930
Does he have plans for
more of those billboards?

1363
01:37:00,930 --> 01:37:03,830
Yeah, he cares a lot about Liz,
so he checks in.

1364
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:06,070
He flew out here last weekend.

1365
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:09,430
Is she okay with him
using her image like that?

1366
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:11,450
How many people have used her image?

1367
01:37:12,210 --> 01:37:13,110
Without her consent.

1368
01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:15,790
That's the nature of
being a public figure.

1369
01:37:15,890 --> 01:37:16,750
But it really upset her.

1370
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:19,370
The last time she talked about that photo,
she was crying.

1371
01:37:20,030 --> 01:37:20,510
Which photo?

1372
01:37:21,230 --> 01:37:22,470
The famous photo.

1373
01:37:22,570 --> 01:37:23,630
No, she doesn't care about that photo.

1374
01:37:24,610 --> 01:37:27,950
But she said people used it not
how she wanted it, and it hurt her.

1375
01:37:29,530 --> 01:37:31,050
I haven't heard her say that.

1376
01:37:32,370 --> 01:37:33,090
You don't remember that?

1377
01:37:33,170 --> 01:37:33,830
We were all there.

1378
01:37:34,250 --> 01:37:35,090
I don't know what you're talking about.

1379
01:37:36,410 --> 01:37:38,850
But what I can tell you is
his intention is really pure.

1380
01:37:39,090 --> 01:37:40,070
He cares a lot about Liz.

1381
01:37:40,210 --> 01:37:40,950
His whole family does.

1382
01:37:41,150 --> 01:37:42,230
I mean, I watched one of his videos.

1383
01:37:42,410 --> 01:37:44,990
The guy, he sort of seems like a coop.

1384
01:37:45,150 --> 01:37:47,050
Do you think that
association is good for her?

1385
01:37:47,330 --> 01:37:48,070
Probably not.

1386
01:37:48,330 --> 01:37:49,650
Okay, so then why do you do it?

1387
01:37:49,870 --> 01:37:52,430
Yeah, his delivery is different
than mine would be or Liz's.

1388
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:56,351
He hired a blonde woman to pretend
to be Liz at a strip club and then

1389
01:37:56,393 --> 01:38:00,070
came in and grabbed her neck and
then pretended to blow himself up.

1390
01:38:00,250 --> 01:38:00,630
At 11.

1391
01:38:01,210 --> 01:38:01,730
At what?

1392
01:38:01,950 --> 01:38:02,650
I think it was 11.

1393
01:38:02,990 --> 01:38:03,570
The strip club?

1394
01:38:04,110 --> 01:38:04,930
Well, it's a club.

1395
01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:06,190
No, it's not a strip club.

1396
01:38:06,370 --> 01:38:07,830
It's like a music club in Miami.

1397
01:38:08,170 --> 01:38:08,610
Oh, okay.

1398
01:38:08,730 --> 01:38:11,150
It's like a club that they
also have people dance to.

1399
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:18,969
Federal judges have
incredible discretion,

1400
01:38:19,011 --> 01:38:20,500
so they can actually
do whatever they want.

1401
01:38:20,580 --> 01:38:21,711
They're like, look,
the guideline says I

1402
01:38:21,753 --> 01:38:23,039
should do this,
but I'm giving you probation.

1403
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:24,640
I'm giving you 18 months.

1404
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:29,740
Once I looked it up,
I heard that there's a show about it.

1405
01:38:30,539 --> 01:38:31,640
A Hulu show.

1406
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,100
I started to try to watch that.

1407
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:35,820
I mean, I didn't get a part of it.

1408
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:38,580
I just know Theranos.

1409
01:38:40,460 --> 01:38:41,240
What was it?

1410
01:38:41,420 --> 01:38:43,600
Therapy and Diagnosis or something?

1411
01:38:43,780 --> 01:38:45,020
Yeah, that sounds about right.

1412
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:46,240
That's how she got the name.

1413
01:38:46,940 --> 01:38:50,905
She goes to Stanford,
drops out second year

1414
01:38:50,947 --> 01:38:54,860
to create this device,
right, that could...

1415
01:38:54,860 --> 01:38:57,320
No,
their focus was about all the chemistry.

1416
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:02,360
It was about the test itself.

1417
01:39:02,540 --> 01:39:04,620
Everybody focuses on the box,
but the box...

1418
01:39:04,620 --> 01:39:05,520
Because that's what...

1419
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,274
Every time she goes
to different investors,

1420
01:39:08,316 --> 01:39:11,300
they say,
where's the working prototype, right?

1421
01:39:13,340 --> 01:39:14,660
They couldn't get it to her.

1422
01:39:15,660 --> 01:39:18,460
That was the whole craziness.

1423
01:39:23,260 --> 01:39:25,420
Yeah, man, it's tough.

1424
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:27,880
I can't even imagine where
you're going to, to be honest.

1425
01:39:36,250 --> 01:39:41,810
Yeah, so we've started
documenting Liz's life right now.

1426
01:39:45,660 --> 01:39:48,637
People are constantly around us,
starting to capture these

1427
01:39:48,679 --> 01:39:51,440
moments, because what
we're going through right now...

1428
01:39:52,380 --> 01:39:55,759
Well, I mean, at a simplest level,
I feel like the reason why Liz

1429
01:39:55,801 --> 01:39:59,220
has been termed a miss monster is
because nobody knows who she is.

1430
01:39:59,880 --> 01:40:01,880
You didn't commit any crime, do you think?

1431
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:04,500
I know that you didn't commit any crime.

1432
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:09,960
Becky said that you'd be very
willing to speak with you on the air.

1433
01:40:09,980 --> 01:40:12,100
Why did you take the iPhone?

1434
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:13,360
What was she doing wrong?

1435
01:40:14,220 --> 01:40:17,220
I just wanted to help her,
so she could focus on talking to you.

1436
01:40:17,740 --> 01:40:22,740
Can you say the monkey name?

1437
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:23,720
Theranos.

1438
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:24,720
Oh, I'm sorry.

1439
01:40:24,820 --> 01:40:26,300
No, Theranos.

1440
01:40:26,440 --> 01:40:29,040
It's a mix between therapy and diagnosis.

1441
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:29,980
Why not?

1442
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:30,940
Theranos?

1443
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:34,140
Because the name is Theranos.

1444
01:40:34,980 --> 01:40:36,260
Actually, can we cut that part?

1445
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:48,220
Don't want to be too beautiful.

1446
01:41:03,300 --> 01:41:04,340
Oh, that's embarrassing.

1447
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:07,840
GTFM.

1448
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:09,040
Get the fucking money.

1449
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:10,600
Get the fucking money.

1450
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:12,600
Do you get the fucking money?

1451
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:14,300
What was Sonny's role at Theranos?

1452
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:19,320
He was the president
and chief operating officer

1453
01:41:19,362 --> 01:41:22,260
of the company and the
vice chairman of the board.

1454
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:23,840
And what was your role?

1455
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:27,080
I was the CEO and the
chairman of the board.

1456
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:34,122
I believed in him,
but I know that I didn't

1457
01:41:34,164 --> 01:41:38,820
question him in the
way that I otherwise

1458
01:41:38,820 --> 01:41:42,380
would have had that
relationship not been in place.

1459
01:41:53,210 --> 01:41:53,830
What?

1460
01:41:54,090 --> 01:41:54,430
What?

1461
01:41:55,510 --> 01:41:56,170
How do you feel?

1462
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:56,970
How do you feel?

1463
01:41:58,870 --> 01:42:00,070
It's heartbreaking.

1464
01:42:00,530 --> 01:42:01,090
It's heartbreaking.

1465
01:42:01,390 --> 01:42:07,740
The whole thing is very, very wild.

1466
01:42:12,500 --> 01:42:19,380
When you played her,
how did you base your performance of her?

1467
01:42:19,460 --> 01:42:20,460
What was that based on?

1468
01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:29,140
I had 10-12 hours of deposition tapes,
which is just her sitting there.

1469
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:32,940
And then I watched every
interview she's ever done.

1470
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:35,212
But I know that it was
told to me from the

1471
01:42:35,254 --> 01:42:36,900
beginning,
we are not allowed to talk to her.

1472
01:42:36,980 --> 01:42:38,200
She's not allowed to talk to us.

1473
01:42:38,620 --> 01:42:39,820
How did that feel to you?

1474
01:42:40,300 --> 01:42:40,620
Good.

1475
01:42:41,340 --> 01:42:41,700
Good.

1476
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:42,720
Because I was like, oh, good.

1477
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:44,740
We have parameters here.

1478
01:42:44,860 --> 01:42:48,660
We were working in fiction land.

1479
01:42:49,620 --> 01:42:51,120
You saw the show as fiction.

1480
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:56,136
With ridiculous amounts of research and most
of the things, we were allowed to, every

1481
01:42:56,178 --> 01:43:00,940
time we veered off path a little bit, it
was because it was allowed, because it's

1482
01:43:00,940 --> 01:43:02,540
TV.

1483
01:43:04,060 --> 01:43:06,420
And so watching that was weird.

1484
01:43:07,480 --> 01:43:08,300
I don't know.

1485
01:43:12,350 --> 01:43:16,290
She really could just be crazy.

1486
01:43:21,540 --> 01:43:23,780
She said she didn't want to be famous,
she didn't want to be in pictures.

1487
01:43:23,780 --> 01:43:33,500
But that's not the kind of
person that could create

1488
01:43:33,500 --> 01:43:35,060
what she created.

1489
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:36,720
What kind of person?

1490
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:42,180
I think it takes somebody,
I think it takes something else.

1491
01:43:43,300 --> 01:43:43,540
Yeah.

1492
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:46,166
And I'm sorry, but she did,
the things that were

1493
01:43:46,208 --> 01:43:48,960
frustrating, there's a lot of
things that were frustrating.

1494
01:43:49,100 --> 01:43:51,741
And one of them being that
Sunny is the bad guy and she

1495
01:43:51,783 --> 01:43:54,560
was just a victim of Sunny,
and now she's going to prison.

1496
01:43:54,560 --> 01:44:01,220
It's like, that's not,
I mean, is that possible?

1497
01:44:01,540 --> 01:44:06,160
That Sunny just is the reason
Sunny was the guy lying to people?

1498
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:17,362
I mean, the challenge I'm having
with all of this is she was taken

1499
01:44:17,404 --> 01:44:22,220
away and went in, and now it's
Billy just saying, I know what's

1500
01:44:22,220 --> 01:44:22,900
going on with her.

1501
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:25,209
And he even said to me,
like, I don't even

1502
01:44:25,251 --> 01:44:27,420
have to talk to her to
know what she wants.

1503
01:44:27,420 --> 01:44:31,300
I wish there was a way you could find out
some shit on Billy and bring it to her.

1504
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:32,000
Find what?

1505
01:44:32,020 --> 01:44:32,560
Break them up.

1506
01:44:33,460 --> 01:44:34,760
You want them to break up?

1507
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:35,860
No, find some shit on Billy.

1508
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:36,820
Yeah, of course I do.

1509
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:44,980
No woman wants to see another
woman be controlled by that kind of guy.

1510
01:44:50,510 --> 01:44:53,979
Not that I would do this,
but I fantasized

1511
01:44:54,021 --> 01:44:57,530
for a minute, like,
playing her post-trial.

1512
01:44:59,530 --> 01:45:00,990
When did you fantasize?

1513
01:45:01,790 --> 01:45:03,210
Just when I was watching her.

1514
01:45:03,210 --> 01:45:04,090
Oh, when you were watching her.

1515
01:45:04,090 --> 01:45:05,050
Forget what scene it was.

1516
01:45:09,300 --> 01:45:11,040
When you were sitting
there on the couch with her.

1517
01:45:12,620 --> 01:45:13,420
You could talk.

1518
01:45:15,580 --> 01:45:16,400
She's like what?

1519
01:45:16,900 --> 01:45:17,660
She's just me.

1520
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:20,340
Wow.

1521
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:21,700
Yeah.

1522
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:32,480
I feel like a little,
I feel like a little haunted.

1523
01:45:34,440 --> 01:45:39,126
Um, because I have to just sit with the
discomfort of A, not knowing, and B, not

1524
01:45:39,168 --> 01:45:43,660
knowing how I feel about it, and C,
being able to do nothing about it, and D,

1525
01:45:43,780 --> 01:45:45,840
just...

1526
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:50,440
feeling shitty about myself
and my own feelings about it.

1527
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:51,440
Lots of things.

1528
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:55,640
She's not just an idea in my head,
this shit actually happened.

1529
01:46:01,830 --> 01:46:03,030
Oh my god.

1530
01:46:03,790 --> 01:46:05,030
Oh my god.

1531
01:46:07,170 --> 01:46:10,270
They were, like,
renting it when we showed up.

1532
01:46:14,020 --> 01:46:15,300
It's really dusty.

1533
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:18,260
Were these vitamins here?

1534
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:19,860
I don't remember that.

1535
01:46:19,980 --> 01:46:20,160
Okay.

1536
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:22,995
This coffee machine,
for sure, this

1537
01:46:23,037 --> 01:46:26,160
toaster, this, obviously,
fridge, microwave.

1538
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:17,260
Is this here?

1539
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:20,040
Um...

1540
01:47:20,580 --> 01:47:21,820
I think she used that.

1541
01:47:23,420 --> 01:47:23,820
Or...

1542
01:47:23,820 --> 01:47:25,040
They had that here.

1543
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:27,120
She didn't really drink coffee.

1544
01:47:31,980 --> 01:47:32,540
Do you miss her?

1545
01:47:37,310 --> 01:47:37,710
Miss?

1546
01:47:37,850 --> 01:47:39,930
I mean...

1547
01:47:39,930 --> 01:47:40,950
It must be weird.

1548
01:47:47,740 --> 01:47:49,420
I don't know, miss is a weird word.

1549
01:47:54,740 --> 01:47:59,649
Can I tell you something,
or a story about how this,

1550
01:47:59,691 --> 01:48:04,640
like, something that happened here,
that I still sort

1551
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:05,760
of think about?

1552
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:06,600
Yeah?

1553
01:48:10,060 --> 01:48:14,680
It was before we had cameras here,
it sort of...

1554
01:48:15,340 --> 01:48:18,460
It sort of relates to how this
whole project came about.

1555
01:48:20,420 --> 01:48:21,680
Like when you guys met?

1556
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:22,620
Yeah.

1557
01:48:24,660 --> 01:48:29,611
Basically, I went down to meet her
and Billy for the first time in San Diego

1558
01:48:29,653 --> 01:48:34,580
after I heard a rumor through the
grapevine that maybe she was interested in

1559
01:48:34,580 --> 01:48:36,540
having her life documented.

1560
01:48:37,140 --> 01:48:38,220
Sure you don't want any of it?

1561
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:40,180
I'm alright, thanks.

1562
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:45,980
I took notes after on everything
that happened, and so this script is

1563
01:48:46,022 --> 01:48:51,160
sort of based on my memory of what
happened, and, like, those notes I had.

1564
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:54,460
They showed me a clip of
something that you made on YouTube.

1565
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:57,660
You were at a gas
station talking to a unit.

1566
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:04,040
Oh yeah, that was from a comedy show
I used to make called Nathan for You.

1567
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:09,268
It was pretty clear from the
moment I met her that she had no

1568
01:49:09,310 --> 01:49:13,600
real clue who I was or had
seen anything I had made before.

1569
01:49:14,260 --> 01:49:16,200
And then she asked if you had kids.

1570
01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:17,100
Do you have kids?

1571
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:18,660
No.

1572
01:49:21,170 --> 01:49:23,430
It's completely changed me.

1573
01:49:25,870 --> 01:49:27,550
I think you'd be great at...

1574
01:49:28,170 --> 01:49:28,890
Great at what?

1575
01:49:29,850 --> 01:49:30,590
Being a dad.

1576
01:49:32,830 --> 01:49:33,830
Which was...

1577
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:34,270
Yeah.

1578
01:49:34,530 --> 01:49:35,090
So bizarre.

1579
01:49:35,990 --> 01:49:38,837
I don't know, it was weird because,
like, when she said

1580
01:49:38,879 --> 01:49:41,870
that it actually, like,
made me feel good for some reason.

1581
01:49:41,870 --> 01:49:46,863
It felt super sincere, but because I
was feeling that, that weird mix of,

1582
01:49:46,905 --> 01:49:51,870
this feels so authentic with her,
but then I don't trust it, it felt like

1583
01:49:51,870 --> 01:49:52,590
watching a magician.

1584
01:49:54,970 --> 01:49:56,710
Do you know who David Blaine is,
the magician?

1585
01:49:58,750 --> 01:49:59,470
I do.

1586
01:49:59,930 --> 01:50:00,950
And that just came to your mind?

1587
01:50:01,610 --> 01:50:02,530
Yeah, in the moment.

1588
01:50:02,590 --> 01:50:02,790
Yeah.

1589
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:05,690
And I wrote, this is basically
verbatim what I told her.

1590
01:50:06,990 --> 01:50:09,968
Alright,
so David Blaine does this thing where he

1591
01:50:10,010 --> 01:50:13,270
sticks an ice pick right
through the palm of his hand.

1592
01:50:14,690 --> 01:50:17,450
And the way he presents it,
it looks like a magic trick.

1593
01:50:18,410 --> 01:50:21,630
But I actually think he's really
sticking the ice pick through his hand.

1594
01:50:22,010 --> 01:50:24,384
Like I saw in an interview,
he said he, like, dug a tiny

1595
01:50:24,426 --> 01:50:27,010
hole through his hand so it,
like, actually is going through.

1596
01:50:28,170 --> 01:50:32,270
But it always just looks like a trick to
people because of how he presents it.

1597
01:50:34,210 --> 01:50:38,921
And what I find so interesting about
you is that in the aftermath of everything

1598
01:50:38,963 --> 01:50:44,010
that's happened with you, with the reputation
you have, no offense, but I don't think

1599
01:50:44,010 --> 01:50:46,490
anyone will ever believe you, ever again.

1600
01:50:46,930 --> 01:50:49,010
Like,
you can be telling the truth as much as

1601
01:50:49,052 --> 01:50:51,310
you want,
and just no one's going to believe you.

1602
01:50:51,550 --> 01:50:53,785
So when I said that to her,
I remember her eyes lit

1603
01:50:53,827 --> 01:50:55,970
up, and she was, like,
very excited by this idea.

1604
01:50:56,830 --> 01:50:59,890
And you're not really saying that it's,
like, a good thing?

1605
01:51:00,610 --> 01:51:01,010
No.

1606
01:51:01,010 --> 01:51:02,650
And she's, like, she's taking credit.

1607
01:51:03,410 --> 01:51:05,110
Philly,
did you hear what Nathan just said?

1608
01:51:05,950 --> 01:51:06,190
No.

1609
01:51:06,590 --> 01:51:07,070
What'd he say?

1610
01:51:07,250 --> 01:51:10,990
He said, like,
I'm reminded of David Blaine.

1611
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:14,744
She sort of paraphrased what I had said,
and

1612
01:51:14,786 --> 01:51:18,090
then they had this weird
look between each other.

1613
01:51:18,690 --> 01:51:22,130
Like, the two of them shared this
knowing look, and I was like, what?

1614
01:51:22,610 --> 01:51:27,830
Philly said that your mind
works in interesting ways.

1615
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:30,680
Okay.

1616
01:51:33,020 --> 01:51:37,180
We only want to let people into
our lives who think outside the box.

1617
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:43,040
And you look at things differently, and
you don't give a fuck what people think.

1618
01:51:44,500 --> 01:51:47,280
So after that,
things came together really quickly.

1619
01:51:47,480 --> 01:51:50,682
We basically went from that
first meeting to coming down to

1620
01:51:50,724 --> 01:51:54,020
shoot in the San Diego house
they were renting within a week.

1621
01:51:54,260 --> 01:51:54,900
Oh my god.

1622
01:51:54,980 --> 01:51:55,160
Yeah.

1623
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:56,520
Wow.

1624
01:51:56,740 --> 01:51:58,896
There was this urgency
to get started with the

1625
01:51:58,938 --> 01:52:01,040
project because she
was going to prison soon.

1626
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:07,140
So we began filming with them before
she had signed any appearance release.

1627
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:08,360
Uh-oh.

1628
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:13,837
But the thing that I can't get out of my
head is something that happened at this

1629
01:52:13,879 --> 01:52:18,480
meeting that Philly said he wanted to
have before they agreed to sign anything.

1630
01:52:20,020 --> 01:52:22,080
He requested we come to
their friend's house in LA.

1631
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:22,540
Hey.

1632
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:23,640
They're in the kitchen.

1633
01:52:23,780 --> 01:52:24,200
Okay, great.

1634
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:30,060
It was me, Lance, the co-director of this,
and two executives from A24.

1635
01:52:30,700 --> 01:52:34,607
And we all sat around this table,
and Liz started reading

1636
01:52:34,649 --> 01:52:38,800
the opening chapter to this,
I guess, a book she was writing.

1637
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:41,460
The first chapter I'm calling Waking Up.

1638
01:52:52,020 --> 01:52:54,260
We didn't know what the
reason for the meeting was.

1639
01:52:54,500 --> 01:52:58,540
So when she started reading it, we
were like, oh, is there a point to this?

1640
01:52:59,380 --> 01:53:02,953
I wouldn't say to the writer,
but every time I saw the beams falling

1641
01:53:02,995 --> 01:53:06,660
through our windows, I was one with
my dad from the moment I was born.

1642
01:53:08,260 --> 01:53:09,220
That's it.

1643
01:53:10,420 --> 01:53:13,660
That was so great.

1644
01:53:13,940 --> 01:53:14,620
That was incredible.

1645
01:53:16,180 --> 01:53:19,100
So you guys were all
saying how great it is.

1646
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:20,560
Well, we were trying to be polite.

1647
01:53:20,900 --> 01:53:21,000
Absolutely.

1648
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:22,180
I mean, I didn't know really what to say.

1649
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:22,560
For sure.

1650
01:53:22,660 --> 01:53:23,220
Of course.

1651
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:28,529
And then you could hear her oldest child,
like,

1652
01:53:28,571 --> 01:53:31,220
sort of yelling and
playing in another room.

1653
01:53:31,420 --> 01:53:31,680
Yeah.

1654
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:36,120
So she gets up in that moment from
the table and goes to see the kids.

1655
01:53:39,300 --> 01:53:39,820
Okay.

1656
01:53:42,130 --> 01:53:45,872
So, guys,
I think we need to have a conversation

1657
01:53:45,914 --> 01:53:49,850
about the terms of our
involvement in this project.

1658
01:53:53,390 --> 01:53:53,690
Okay.

1659
01:53:54,830 --> 01:53:56,590
What do you mean by that?

1660
01:53:56,910 --> 01:53:59,970
Once she was gone,
Billy started talking about money.

1661
01:54:00,130 --> 01:54:02,030
I don't know what your
vision is for this project.

1662
01:54:03,450 --> 01:54:06,050
You guys are artists,
and that's what drives you.

1663
01:54:06,730 --> 01:54:10,970
But I do know that there is potential for
this movie to also make a lot of money.

1664
01:54:10,970 --> 01:54:20,860
And I feel strongly that if this movie

1665
01:54:20,860 --> 01:54:26,240
were to make money,
that we should be entitled to some of it.

1666
01:54:26,500 --> 01:54:30,520
Which is not customary
and just kind of unethical.

1667
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:33,766
It's not customary for
people to make a profit

1668
01:54:33,808 --> 01:54:36,960
off the documentaries
that they're appearing in.

1669
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,740
I mean, I was vocal with him, too.

1670
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:42,340
I said,
I agree with Ravi on this completely.

1671
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:43,620
It is not a good idea.

1672
01:54:45,100 --> 01:54:45,780
Why not?

1673
01:54:46,140 --> 01:54:47,620
I mean, the optics are terrible.

1674
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:50,911
If you guys are making money from
this documentary, people are going

1675
01:54:50,953 --> 01:54:53,660
to question your guys' motives
for being in it in the first place.

1676
01:54:54,220 --> 01:54:57,991
And also,
it might give the perception that you guys

1677
01:54:58,033 --> 01:55:01,700
have a creative say over
what the final product is.

1678
01:55:01,980 --> 01:55:04,680
This is not, it's not good for the film.

1679
01:55:04,780 --> 01:55:07,789
No, but I've looked into this,
and there are many,

1680
01:55:07,831 --> 01:55:10,880
many examples of documentary
subjects getting paid.

1681
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,561
The Meghan Markle and Prince
Harry documentary on Netflix, I

1682
01:55:13,603 --> 01:55:16,280
read somewhere that they got
paid $100 million to make that.

1683
01:55:16,540 --> 01:55:17,880
That's not a real documentary.

1684
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:20,549
I know, but Lance,
I know it's bad, but the

1685
01:55:20,591 --> 01:55:22,580
fact is that they
did get paid for that.

1686
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:23,820
But then it ends.

1687
01:55:24,420 --> 01:55:25,660
It's a non-negotiable.

1688
01:55:25,940 --> 01:55:27,160
With him eating a slice of pizza.

1689
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:30,643
Yeah,
I guess the friend had got pizza for this

1690
01:55:30,685 --> 01:55:33,480
meeting, so there was,
like, several pizzas there.

1691
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:37,520
Um, like, what did you decide?

1692
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:42,547
Well, at this point, like,
he had all the leverage, so

1693
01:55:42,589 --> 01:55:47,380
A24 felt they had, like,
no choice but to give him a

1694
01:55:47,380 --> 01:55:48,300
portion of the profits.

1695
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:49,540
Shut the fuck up.

1696
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:51,020
Yeah.

1697
01:55:57,160 --> 01:55:58,120
How did that make you feel?

1698
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:01,547
Well, I was really
frustrated because I felt like

1699
01:56:01,589 --> 01:56:04,500
the integrity of the project
might be out the window.

1700
01:56:05,740 --> 01:56:10,940
And I actually considered just leaving the
project and saying, well, I can't do this.

1701
01:56:12,900 --> 01:56:17,028
But then I also thought there
might be something interesting about

1702
01:56:17,070 --> 01:56:21,300
the fact that we were sort of
witnessing how these guys do business.

1703
01:56:21,900 --> 01:56:25,320
And how she operates with her
romantic partner in relationships.

1704
01:56:26,060 --> 01:56:26,240
Yep.

1705
01:56:28,260 --> 01:56:32,657
I assume that even though, like, Liz
wasn't in the room when he started making

1706
01:56:32,699 --> 01:56:37,080
demands, he would eventually, like,
obviously tell her about the deal he made.

1707
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:37,660
Yeah.

1708
01:56:37,660 --> 01:56:40,719
But then days before
she headed to prison,

1709
01:56:40,761 --> 01:56:43,860
she said something
that made me reconsider.

1710
01:56:45,140 --> 01:56:47,360
And this is actually something
that we have on camera.

1711
01:56:47,660 --> 01:56:48,820
So it's really, can I show you?

1712
01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:49,440
Okay.

1713
01:56:49,740 --> 01:56:50,020
Yep.

1714
01:56:52,500 --> 01:56:54,020
This is still in San Diego.

1715
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:54,760
Yes.

1716
01:56:56,670 --> 01:57:04,970
I think this is the moment in time
to capture this story before I'm gone.

1717
01:57:04,970 --> 01:57:07,470
And hopefully the truth comes out.

1718
01:57:07,670 --> 01:57:09,714
Because obviously I'm
not making any money or

1719
01:57:09,756 --> 01:57:11,930
having any economic
interest in this whatsoever.

1720
01:57:12,490 --> 01:57:14,390
So I just think that's the right thing.

1721
01:57:19,630 --> 01:57:20,530
What do you make of that?

1722
01:57:22,820 --> 01:57:26,800
I believe that she has no
idea that he asked for money.

1723
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:28,900
Unless she's just...

1724
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:31,820
I believe her.

1725
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:32,400
I don't know why.

1726
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:34,640
Like what?

1727
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:43,800
I think this is the moment in time
to capture this story before I'm gone.

1728
01:57:44,180 --> 01:57:46,380
And hopefully the truth comes out.

1729
01:57:46,980 --> 01:57:49,425
Because obviously I'm
not making any money or

1730
01:57:49,467 --> 01:57:52,060
having any economic
interest in this whatsoever.

1731
01:57:52,500 --> 01:57:54,700
So I just think that's the right thing.

1732
01:57:55,260 --> 01:57:58,295
Like, when this happened,
you can see on my face

1733
01:57:58,337 --> 01:58:01,600
that I, like,
I honestly didn't know how to respond.

1734
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:07,280
I mean, there's obviously a chance
that this is all complete bullshit, right?

1735
01:58:09,340 --> 01:58:12,780
There's a theory that this
was a coordinated event.

1736
01:58:15,260 --> 01:58:17,401
That she intentionally
left the room at a

1737
01:58:17,443 --> 01:58:19,780
certain point so Billy
could talk about this.

1738
01:58:25,060 --> 01:58:30,200
And ultimately it was just all a ruse
or a scheme to keep her hands clean.

1739
01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:34,380
While her partner does the dirty work.

1740
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:38,420
And this is an insight
into how she operates.

1741
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:51,800
But for some reason,
when she is saying this and the

1742
01:58:51,842 --> 01:58:56,660
way she says it, I don't know why,
but my first instinct

1743
01:58:56,660 --> 01:58:58,280
is to believe her.

1744
01:58:58,280 --> 01:59:05,260
This is the moment in time to
capture this story before I'm gone.

1745
01:59:05,600 --> 01:59:07,640
And hopefully the truth comes out.

1746
01:59:08,160 --> 01:59:10,419
Because obviously I'm
not making any money or

1747
01:59:10,461 --> 01:59:12,860
having any economic
interest in this whatsoever.

1748
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:15,460
Yeah, she seems just like...

1749
01:59:19,780 --> 01:59:20,820
Here's the thing.

1750
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:24,320
Can she really be this out of the loop?

1751
01:59:24,700 --> 01:59:28,000
Like when deals are
being made in her name?

1752
01:59:29,780 --> 01:59:32,060
This is the woman that created Theranos.

1753
01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:36,780
Like, I don't even know if
there's two ways about it.

1754
01:59:38,340 --> 01:59:42,154
Either this is fully
sincere and she actually

1755
01:59:42,196 --> 01:59:45,380
has no clue about
the deal Billy made.

1756
01:59:48,300 --> 01:59:48,980
Or...

1757
01:59:49,480 --> 01:59:55,023
She honestly might be The
most manipulative person

1758
01:59:55,065 --> 02:00:00,100
that's ever lived It
wouldn't be our fault If

1759
02:00:00,100 --> 02:00:05,254
we got duped by her,
I guess I don't want to

1760
02:00:05,296 --> 02:00:10,260
let it happen That's
just personal Yeah She

1761
02:00:10,260 --> 02:00:12,720
has nothing to gain from
him behaving like this.

1762
02:00:12,780 --> 02:00:29,400
It's crazy Money Don't

1763
02:00:29,400 --> 02:00:30,220
get taken in.

1764
02:00:30,300 --> 02:00:30,500
Okay.

1765
02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:31,380
Don't get lured.

1766
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:33,700
Don't get don't let her get in your head.

1767
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:43,770
She still looks If he would
be interested and You know, if

1768
02:00:43,770 --> 02:00:49,119
he if he's available, I don't know
I think I could probably Disarm

1769
02:00:49,161 --> 02:00:54,550
him and then ask him the questions
that were there to ask him Well,

1770
02:00:54,590 --> 02:00:58,589
what did you get from them
that I couldn't I just feel like people

1771
02:00:58,631 --> 02:01:02,490
trust me people say talk talk to
me They sometimes say too much.

1772
02:01:03,410 --> 02:01:12,930
I Would take advantage of that
Does he know anything about the

1773
02:01:12,930 --> 02:01:18,251
reenactment No,
what does Billy know about my involvement

1774
02:01:18,293 --> 02:01:22,730
All I told him is that
We've gotten to know each

1775
02:01:22,730 --> 02:01:32,570
other Casually You're in Texas and that
I asked if he would like tag along And he

1776
02:01:32,570 --> 02:01:36,870
seemed like he was into that
Did he ask why I wanted to?

1777
02:01:39,300 --> 02:01:44,536
He actually didn't Very
interesting He doesn't

1778
02:01:44,578 --> 02:01:49,180
know me or anything
about me So what does

1779
02:01:49,180 --> 02:01:49,640
that mean?

1780
02:01:49,820 --> 02:01:52,680
You just need like you're like
an undercover cop right now.

1781
02:01:52,740 --> 02:01:56,300
It's like crazy You like that feeling?

1782
02:01:59,160 --> 02:02:06,180
I do You okay?

1783
02:02:06,420 --> 02:02:13,880
Yeah Yep, just another day, you know
Let's go grab our food Is there food here?

1784
02:02:14,700 --> 02:02:18,420
No, for the kids Is there food outside?

1785
02:02:18,420 --> 02:02:21,300
Amanda, nice to meet you,
you're so tall What's your name?

1786
02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:28,703
Let's go read your guys' books I'm
gonna go read your books I'm gonna put you

1787
02:02:28,745 --> 02:02:33,640
to bed and I'll be back in maybe 15
minutes Say goodnight Give her a big hug

1788
02:02:33,640 --> 02:02:38,559
Listen, you are a real stand up
lady And Your pajamas are the

1789
02:02:38,601 --> 02:02:43,640
best And whatever you're
drinking looks delicious So you got it

1790
02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:47,100
really going on You got it going on, huh?

1791
02:02:47,780 --> 02:02:53,660
Goodnight children It's
Monday Are you ready?

1792
02:02:53,960 --> 02:03:07,580
We only have 2 minutes with
Monday So just wait a second Hey

1793
02:03:07,580 --> 02:03:18,160
baby, I'm here with Wills
and Ivy Booyah Booyah I

1794
02:03:18,160 --> 02:03:23,111
know we only have 2
minutes But we love you And

1795
02:03:23,153 --> 02:03:28,040
then Nathan and Lance And Amanda's here,
say hi

1796
02:03:28,040 --> 02:03:31,600
Hi Did you know I was gonna be here?

1797
02:03:36,100 --> 02:03:40,468
Okay I'm so sorry I don't
want to ruin your 2 minutes

1798
02:03:40,510 --> 02:03:45,000
with your beautiful family
We're having a good talk You

1799
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:54,790
have a beautiful family No,
I don't even Sorry, you're wonderful I

1800
02:03:54,790 --> 02:03:59,790
love you Can I call you later?

1801
02:04:00,430 --> 02:04:10,290
Yeah, you can give me a call later Say bye
mommy Wills, big bye Okay, say goodnight

1802
02:04:10,290 --> 02:04:19,900
everyone I don't know if I
know I don't know if I know Did

1803
02:04:19,900 --> 02:04:21,140
you know I was gonna be here?

1804
02:04:21,240 --> 02:04:24,240
I don't know if I knew
Is that what you said?

1805
02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:31,940
Do you know how much stock she ever sold?

1806
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:38,663
Nothing Zero She literally could have had
A billion and a half dollars personally

1807
02:04:38,705 --> 02:04:43,220
And still been a majority shareholder
How are you guys making money now?

1808
02:04:45,180 --> 02:04:48,240
She gets paid 30 cents
an hour What about you?

1809
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:54,945
I've got my own business
I don't know To be honest

1810
02:04:54,987 --> 02:05:01,170
The thing I've been
thinking about Is just like Like

1811
02:05:02,950 --> 02:05:12,890
How decisions are made And how
Much is You know Her These are

1812
02:05:12,890 --> 02:05:17,724
her desires Or these are yours
Or these are both I think they're one

1813
02:05:17,766 --> 02:05:22,570
and the same Because the life
that the two of us Intended to live Is

1814
02:05:22,570 --> 02:05:30,630
one for our family Like she is my She
is my soul Do you have conjugal visits?

1815
02:05:31,390 --> 02:05:36,181
There's no conjugal visits I've
been laid for 899 days It's day

1816
02:05:36,223 --> 02:05:41,130
899 Tomorrow's day 900 I count
the days That you haven't had sex?

1817
02:05:41,310 --> 02:05:46,850
Yeah, day 900 Other than
Pamela Anderson Excuse me?

1818
02:05:47,090 --> 02:05:51,036
He's masturbating I feel like a lot
of women would say Sex is better by

1819
02:05:51,078 --> 02:05:55,230
myself Yeah, that's because most
men aren't good at it Are you good at sex?

1820
02:05:55,750 --> 02:05:58,430
Yeah,
I'm fucking excellent How do you know?

1821
02:05:58,610 --> 02:06:01,290
Because I lied every
time You lied about what?

1822
02:06:01,570 --> 02:06:04,612
To every partner Like you'd
say if it was bad Oh that

1823
02:06:04,654 --> 02:06:07,850
was so good So how do you
know you weren't getting that?

1824
02:06:08,010 --> 02:06:12,300
That's my point Can we change the subject?

1825
02:06:12,500 --> 02:06:16,840
Let's talk about something
else So how is Liz getting info?

1826
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:18,760
She doesn't have the internet in there,
right?

1827
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:22,860
I send her so many emails So
she has email but not internet?

1828
02:06:23,240 --> 02:06:30,480
Yeah So she's like Sending tweets
like today How does that work?

1829
02:06:30,720 --> 02:06:33,600
Yeah, some of them are just me Some?

1830
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:36,800
And she does others?

1831
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:41,300
Yeah, I'd say 80% of it's
her How does she do it?

1832
02:06:42,520 --> 02:06:47,587
Well, I mean I'm physically putting it on the
internet But she sends me an email saying Here's this

1833
02:06:47,629 --> 02:06:52,480
line of text And I copy it and I paste it And I
put it on the internet But she writes it Do you

1834
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:53,500
tell her that you're doing it?

1835
02:06:54,240 --> 02:06:58,860
Yeah She knows that whatever
she sends is like fair game for you?

1836
02:06:59,340 --> 02:07:03,877
No, she just trusts me Some
things that she doesn't frame

1837
02:07:03,919 --> 02:07:08,180
As like for the internet I
put there How did it begin?

1838
02:07:08,500 --> 02:07:10,080
Was she like I wanna start?

1839
02:07:10,780 --> 02:07:14,419
No,
I told her to I just said fuck this,

1840
02:07:14,461 --> 02:07:18,320
I'm tired of the silence
What's she saying?

1841
02:07:19,060 --> 02:07:22,200
And I can read you some of them Yeah,
what is it?

1842
02:07:22,740 --> 02:07:28,040
What's the Is she talking about Biotech?

1843
02:07:28,360 --> 02:07:29,540
Is she talking about what she's doing?

1844
02:07:30,220 --> 02:07:32,931
So there's this photo of
like shitty weed It says,

1845
02:07:32,973 --> 02:07:35,940
what do you call this kind of
weed Where you were from?

1846
02:07:38,080 --> 02:07:39,120
Wait, she posted this?

1847
02:07:39,200 --> 02:07:46,540
No, somebody posted this And I wrote Or
she wrote No, I wrote this But it was her?

1848
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:52,382
Yeah, from her account I said
mandatory sentence extension

1849
02:07:52,424 --> 02:07:57,400
And a free trip to the solitary
housing unit Oh my god You

1850
02:07:57,400 --> 02:08:02,064
wrote that Oh my god, what would
she say If she saw her ex account

1851
02:08:02,106 --> 02:08:07,020
She was like, this is not me No,
it is her, she'd think it's hilarious

1852
02:08:07,020 --> 02:08:12,096
Yeah Is it How did the account
get like She had an account

1853
02:08:12,138 --> 02:08:16,820
from years ago 15 years ago
So how did you get access?

1854
02:08:17,580 --> 02:08:22,437
I messaged one of the top people
at ex And I just said Hey, this is

1855
02:08:22,479 --> 02:08:27,520
who I am Here's a power of attorney
I need access to her account Power

1856
02:08:27,520 --> 02:08:27,980
of attorney?

1857
02:08:28,419 --> 02:08:33,920
Yeah, I can do anything legally for Liz
Anything You have power of attorney?

1858
02:08:34,640 --> 02:08:39,695
Yeah, like unalienable, so I can literally
do anything I don't understand How the fuck

1859
02:08:39,737 --> 02:08:44,540
you got that She signed a document that
said I had power of attorney Why would she

1860
02:08:44,540 --> 02:08:45,040
do that?

1861
02:08:45,620 --> 02:08:50,772
Because we trust each other
But she's alive And functioning

1862
02:08:50,814 --> 02:08:55,400
But there's a lot of things
she can't do But don't do

1863
02:08:55,400 --> 02:09:00,119
anything crazy There's just a
bunch of nasty things in here

1864
02:09:00,161 --> 02:09:04,920
That I really shouldn't say
The problem is If I had to clear

1865
02:09:04,920 --> 02:09:09,943
everything by her I think for
too long She just let things slide

1866
02:09:09,985 --> 02:09:14,580
And I don't fucking take it I know,
but that's not her Yeah

1867
02:09:14,580 --> 02:09:19,740
That's you And I don't think it's good I don't
think it's helpful She was cool with everything

1868
02:09:19,782 --> 02:09:24,380
that I said Amanda, with all due respect
Your advice is one of the last ones I would

1869
02:09:24,380 --> 02:09:28,854
take On this subject Your experience with
social media hasn't exactly been successful Over

1870
02:09:28,896 --> 02:09:33,460
the course of the last six months It's been
very successful In distancing 50% of the country

1871
02:09:33,460 --> 02:09:34,880
Wait, for what?

1872
02:09:35,300 --> 02:09:40,196
Yeah, Amanda was getting dragged on
social media Because she said something

1873
02:09:40,238 --> 02:09:44,980
shitty about Charlie Kirk I just said
he was hateful For two days She got

1874
02:09:44,980 --> 02:09:47,240
fucking dragged Is she a Charlie Kirk fan?

1875
02:09:47,800 --> 02:09:49,200
I am You are?

1876
02:09:49,380 --> 02:09:54,474
I think he's a fucking pussy I hope
his voice carries far You're not going

1877
02:09:54,516 --> 02:09:59,240
to like my political voice I don't
want to hear it Because I'm better

1878
02:09:59,240 --> 02:10:04,094
read than you I don't like the fact
that he was performative When he

1879
02:10:04,136 --> 02:10:09,100
was with those people You're a
fucking actress And then an asshole Who

1880
02:10:09,100 --> 02:10:13,590
played my wife With
no research Talk about

1881
02:10:13,632 --> 02:10:18,900
performative I think the
writers and the producers

1882
02:10:18,900 --> 02:10:23,558
Of the shows are deplorable people
Because they just made a bunch of shit up

1883
02:10:23,600 --> 02:10:28,360
I hear what you're saying I'm just giving
you a little bit more content I hear

1884
02:10:28,360 --> 02:10:30,720
you Whose lives?

1885
02:10:31,020 --> 02:10:35,827
Fucking everyone I've
got vengeance in my heart

1886
02:10:35,869 --> 02:10:41,020
You can still be angry But
you can cause more of an

1887
02:10:41,020 --> 02:10:44,560
impact The problem is I'm
fucking good at it Good at what?

1888
02:10:46,570 --> 02:10:53,274
I'm pretty strategic I'm well
resourced I know people

1889
02:10:53,316 --> 02:10:59,560
who can do just about
anything To harm people It's

1890
02:10:59,560 --> 02:11:15,440
exactly what it says But

1891
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:20,612
then Liz is in my mind And she
says Don't feel that way It doesn't

1892
02:11:20,654 --> 02:11:25,400
matter I love you Everything's
okay And then I get calm He is

1893
02:11:25,400 --> 02:11:33,200
batshit crazy He's an angry Fucking
guy Why the fuck would you be her voice?

1894
02:11:33,540 --> 02:11:38,567
The only voice she has In the world right
now When she's in prison I mean some of the

1895
02:11:38,609 --> 02:11:43,500
things he's posting Well I don't know if
this is coming from him or her But it just

1896
02:11:43,500 --> 02:11:48,038
doesn't sound like her Like
a response like that Yes you

1897
02:11:48,080 --> 02:11:53,060
fucking idiot Yes you fucking
idiot She doesn't talk like that

1898
02:11:54,120 --> 02:11:59,008
She would never say that But this is her
twitter and it's like verified It's crazy

1899
02:11:59,050 --> 02:12:03,740
Like someone's asking her if she's wearing
a crypto token And she goes fuck off

1900
02:12:03,740 --> 02:12:08,749
Like in what world That's not
being supportive of her having a

1901
02:12:08,791 --> 02:12:13,680
voice At all And this is sort of
a crazy one So someone asked

1902
02:12:13,680 --> 02:12:18,610
her On twitter Did you
watch the dropout And she

1903
02:12:18,652 --> 02:12:23,520
wrote never will But
she's seen it And when this

1904
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:28,206
documentary comes out
This will be like seen as a

1905
02:12:28,248 --> 02:12:32,880
lie Nathan I swear I'm
99.9% sure She has no idea

1906
02:12:32,880 --> 02:13:12,320
That that's been written So

1907
02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:17,247
you can get a medium and
split it Into two cups Ivy doesn't

1908
02:13:17,289 --> 02:13:21,760
Thank you so much When I
left the prison the other day

1909
02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:26,641
With both of the kids in the car
And just me There's three cars

1910
02:13:26,683 --> 02:13:31,680
tailing my car So I recorded an
interview For the purpose of Like

1911
02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:38,279
if anything happens to me it goes live
What do you mean by anything happens to you

1912
02:13:38,321 --> 02:13:44,960
Like if I'm killed Or if I get hurt Or
somebody tries to silence me Then Everything

1913
02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:49,684
goes out So it's kind of like
Insurance But do you feel like

1914
02:13:49,726 --> 02:13:54,880
there's an imminent threat Right
now I mean there's a reason why I

1915
02:13:54,880 --> 02:14:04,540
carry a gun on me 24-7 365 Um
Do you have a gun on you right now

1916
02:14:04,540 --> 02:14:09,589
Oh here it works Yeah It
is scary good if you give

1917
02:14:09,631 --> 02:14:14,320
it the right data Hello
my name is Liz I'm Nick

1918
02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:19,474
What's the goal with something
like that Let people do whatever

1919
02:14:19,516 --> 02:14:23,980
they want with it Huh Yeah
It's going to happen anyways

1920
02:14:23,980 --> 02:14:28,683
So if you're going to have it happen You might
as well have the representation of her Like

1921
02:14:28,725 --> 02:14:33,780
actually look like her Right well what if they
bring images of her like having sex Like corneas I

1922
02:14:33,780 --> 02:14:44,560
think people are going to do that
Like there's no stopping that Okay Let

1923
02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:54,540
me ask you this Is Liz Aware Of the
details Of the deal you made for her to

1924
02:14:54,540 --> 02:14:59,611
Appear in this documentary
Which Which details So Liz

1925
02:14:59,653 --> 02:15:04,480
told me Before she went
in Well she's aware of some

1926
02:15:04,480 --> 02:15:15,210
of the details The stuff
related to like The money No I

1927
02:15:15,210 --> 02:15:21,934
purposely didn't want her
to be aware of all of it Why

1928
02:15:21,976 --> 02:15:28,740
Because she was handling
A lot of shit at the time Okay

1929
02:15:30,500 --> 02:15:40,300
Like be specific And I'm happy to answer
Any very specific question Okay Is she

1930
02:15:40,300 --> 02:15:57,670
interested in Making
money from this No The

1931
02:15:57,670 --> 02:16:02,658
central thing That you guys have been
trying to argue From the beginning is

1932
02:16:02,700 --> 02:16:07,530
Liz is someone Who doesn't care
about money That's not what motivates her

1933
02:16:07,530 --> 02:16:12,556
So you're taking an action that
Directly puts that into question Yeah and

1934
02:16:12,598 --> 02:16:17,390
she didn't want to But I'm practical
Well the reason I'm bringing this

1935
02:16:17,390 --> 02:16:21,993
up Is like There's
still like Opportunity to

1936
02:16:22,035 --> 02:16:27,090
change this When you
profit off The back end of a

1937
02:16:27,090 --> 02:16:38,620
movie That doesn't pay out Until
the movie comes out So like I hear

1938
02:16:38,620 --> 02:16:48,400
you And I will I'll think
about it When you said

1939
02:16:48,400 --> 02:16:53,249
You said that Liz Knew
some of the details Of the

1940
02:16:53,291 --> 02:16:58,180
deal that you made What
were those details Oh gosh

1941
02:16:58,180 --> 02:17:08,339
I don't remember All I do remember is that
She was not involved in the process So

1942
02:17:08,339 --> 02:17:20,400
I don't remember what she
saw Or what she knew of Alright I

1943
02:17:20,400 --> 02:18:04,920
don't know if she's ever seen that
But I don't really remember Dear

1944
02:18:12,260 --> 02:18:22,090
Elizabeth Comma I'd like
to Try to establish a direct

1945
02:18:22,090 --> 02:18:32,470
Line of communication to you If that's
something You'd be open to Period It's

1946
02:18:32,470 --> 02:18:41,670
been challenging to talk
Like we used to Um Period

1947
02:18:41,670 --> 02:18:46,137
Billy is concerned about
Leaks to the press And

1948
02:18:46,179 --> 02:18:51,250
because your mail is
monitored I know I can't say much

1949
02:18:53,310 --> 02:19:03,170
Comma But You've been
on my mind A lot lately And I

1950
02:19:03,170 --> 02:19:15,230
have some questions That I think
only you can answer Period I'm

1951
02:19:15,230 --> 02:19:19,758
in a hotel room In New
York City right now I'm

1952
02:19:19,800 --> 02:19:24,270
here because I recently
went through a breakup

1953
02:19:24,270 --> 02:19:33,950
But You don't have to worry about me
Because I'm doing okay Exclamation point

1954
02:19:34,690 --> 02:19:39,429
Billy had mentioned that There's no
way to schedule a phone call with you At a

1955
02:19:39,471 --> 02:19:44,250
specific time Because it's first come
first serve And everyone just has to wait

1956
02:19:44,250 --> 02:19:54,110
In a really long line Period So
how about this Um I assume it's at

1957
02:19:54,110 --> 02:19:58,763
least three days Before
you receive this letter So

1958
02:19:58,805 --> 02:20:03,590
on December 19th Um I'm
going to be by my phone From

1959
02:20:03,590 --> 02:20:16,330
7am to 7pm Your time Texas time I really
hope to hear from you That day Liz Keep

1960
02:20:16,330 --> 02:20:47,300
it up in there Or From Comma Nathan Okay

1961
02:20:47,300 --> 02:20:52,094
Billy Billy just messaged Liz
said you wanted Her to call

1962
02:20:52,136 --> 02:20:57,220
this morning Is that still something
you want Can you give me

1963
02:20:57,220 --> 02:21:06,990
context But she told him

1964
02:21:10,090 --> 02:21:41,290
What is the window He just messaged
that Would 815 her time work for her Hello

1965
02:21:42,750 --> 02:21:47,974
Hello hey I was trying to get a
hold of you While I had her on

1966
02:21:48,016 --> 02:21:53,530
the video To confirm the call But
she just left the video Okay Can

1967
02:21:53,530 --> 02:21:58,301
she call though Or Well I
couldn't confirm it with her I was

1968
02:21:58,343 --> 02:22:03,390
trying to call you While she
was on the video To be able to tell

1969
02:22:03,390 --> 02:22:14,990
her Oh but I texted you That I'm around
Yeah but I wanted to get context And Sorry

1970
02:22:14,990 --> 02:22:20,087
I thought it was already
Confirmed Is she going to be around

1971
02:22:20,129 --> 02:22:24,930
to talk She is very guarded
With her minutes On the phone

1972
02:22:24,930 --> 02:22:36,890
So I think Yeah Um You

1973
02:22:36,890 --> 02:22:41,858
know I wasn't super happy About a number of
things From the office And I felt like you

1974
02:22:41,900 --> 02:22:46,850
were ambushing me On some of the subjects
Without giving me any context beforehand For

1975
02:22:46,850 --> 02:22:52,029
us to be able to talk through them
Yeah because I want it on camera It's

1976
02:22:52,071 --> 02:22:57,290
a documentary It left me with a bad
taste in my mouth And I think that My

1977
02:22:57,290 --> 02:23:02,656
willingness to facilitate your conversations
With Liz are pretty low right now

1978
02:23:02,698 --> 02:23:07,830
Because Yeah I would just say I don't
know if you're going to get that Well

1979
02:23:08,990 --> 02:23:13,819
Why would you not want to facilitate You just
cannot record the call Because she can get in

1980
02:23:13,861 --> 02:23:18,730
a lot of trouble For that So I wanted to confirm
with you that you weren't going to be doing

1981
02:23:18,730 --> 02:23:28,480
that See now you're not even acknowledging
The fact that you're not doing it

1982
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:35,122
The warden is in a place
right now That if she gets light

1983
02:23:35,164 --> 02:23:39,720
Of You recording her while
she's in prison She'll be

1984
02:23:39,720 --> 02:23:44,362
shipped to a different
facility If anyone records

1985
02:23:44,404 --> 02:23:49,180
her While she's in prison
If you guys are recording

1986
02:23:49,180 --> 02:23:53,968
If they think that she is
Knowingly facilitating Recording

1987
02:23:54,010 --> 02:23:58,920
She could get sent to a higher
security facility Which means

1988
02:23:58,920 --> 02:24:04,797
that The kids and I wouldn't be able to
see her on the weekends And the last

1989
02:24:04,839 --> 02:24:10,680
thing that I want to do Is to make it
so I need to move to fucking Arizona I

1990
02:24:10,680 --> 02:24:15,565
just think I just think we
need to hear her I get it The

1991
02:24:15,607 --> 02:24:20,360
subject of your film You
cannot talk to It makes for an

1992
02:24:20,360 --> 02:24:27,192
impossible scenario I totally
understand But if you guys are going to

1993
02:24:27,234 --> 02:24:33,910
be putting this out I can promise
you She's going to get fucked Okay

1994
02:24:34,310 --> 02:24:38,988
I just hope that you
can see it from my

1995
02:24:39,030 --> 02:24:44,220
perspective Uh So
we'll see if she calls you

1996
02:24:44,220 --> 02:25:22,200
or not Um

1997
02:25:26,140 --> 02:25:32,209
Oh no Fuck No I went
to voicemail Oh she's

1998
02:25:32,251 --> 02:25:38,360
probably here Okay
give me your phone We're

1999
02:25:38,360 --> 02:25:43,179
from a federal prison You
will not be charged for this call

2000
02:25:43,221 --> 02:25:48,160
This call is from Elizabeth
Wolfe This call is from A subject

2001
02:25:48,160 --> 02:25:53,283
you're monitoring at any
time To accept this call Press

2002
02:25:53,325 --> 02:25:58,120
5 To block this call and
all future calls Press 7 To

2003
02:25:58,120 --> 02:26:42,880
reject this call hang up now You
may begin speaking now Hello

2004
02:26:44,940 --> 02:26:49,641
Hey Hi I was trying to get a hold
of you And it wouldn't let that phone

2005
02:26:49,683 --> 02:26:54,820
number go through But I don't know if
you guys are together Oh yeah you called

2006
02:26:54,820 --> 02:27:04,460
Lance's phone Oh yeah no worries How
are you I'm good How are you doing Can

2007
02:27:04,460 --> 02:27:09,441
you move a little further away
from the mic Yeah yeah Um I've been

2008
02:27:09,483 --> 02:27:14,280
thinking about you And everything
that you've been going through

2009
02:27:14,280 --> 02:27:19,237
I don't find the right person
I don't That's nice of you

2010
02:27:19,279 --> 02:27:24,100
to say I know what it means
From going through all this

2011
02:27:26,440 --> 02:27:35,620
It's nice to hear your voice I know
We gotta get you out here soon Yeah I

2012
02:27:35,620 --> 02:27:42,272
think that would be great
Me too The phone minutes are

2013
02:27:42,314 --> 02:27:48,640
gonna be short By the way
it's gonna cut out Mhm How

2014
02:27:48,640 --> 02:28:02,180
is your dating going What do you mean
Pardon me What do you mean by that Hmm

2015
02:28:03,200 --> 02:28:23,650
I don't know I shouldn't quite say it
like that What do you mean by that Okay

2016
02:28:23,650 --> 02:28:28,764
That's close enough Oh just
sort of Open ended I don't know

2017
02:28:28,806 --> 02:28:33,530
what's been going on I was
just curious Just like small

2018
02:28:33,530 --> 02:28:43,400
talk What's your day Well I'm in cell
and locked down a lot Mhm I wanted

2019
02:28:43,400 --> 02:28:48,416
to ask you something Oh gosh this
guy's gonna hang up I wouldn't leave

2020
02:28:48,458 --> 02:28:53,300
past my minutes You need to come
visit Oh yeah I wanna see you We'll

2021
02:28:53,300 --> 02:29:06,460
make it happen Come
Okay Alright bye Okay Come

2022
02:29:06,460 --> 02:29:11,591
on baby You just need to
get there It's the only time

2023
02:29:11,633 --> 02:29:16,420
You're gonna have any
private moments With her And

2024
02:29:16,420 --> 02:29:21,131
I also think she's covering Because she's
being reported by the prison That's why she

2025
02:29:21,173 --> 02:29:25,980
wants you to come But then the issue is sort
of like We don't have the ability To bring

2026
02:29:25,980 --> 02:29:30,887
cameras in there But you're gonna have to
just trust yourself To know Trust yourself

2027
02:29:30,929 --> 02:29:35,760
in the fact that you're really gonna ask
her questions I know how you convey What I

2028
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:40,570
experience I will reenact whatever
you want me to reenact And

2029
02:29:40,612 --> 02:29:45,540
I mean this is no offense to
you You're a very talented actress

2030
02:29:45,880 --> 02:29:47,260
Very good performer

2031
02:29:48,820 --> 02:29:50,340
You know, you're not her.

2032
02:29:50,660 --> 02:29:51,400
No, I know.

2033
02:29:51,540 --> 02:29:53,420
And so...

2034
02:29:53,420 --> 02:29:58,400
But guess how many people believed
that that was her when I played her?

2035
02:29:58,980 --> 02:29:59,860
A lot.

2036
02:30:00,400 --> 02:30:04,320
I know, but the point isn't
convincing people that this is her.

2037
02:30:04,420 --> 02:30:13,760
The point is, okay, whatever I discover
in there, that should be conveyed

2038
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:14,960
accurately.

2039
02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:18,580
What did you do?

2040
02:30:18,760 --> 02:30:19,360
I farted.

2041
02:30:39,260 --> 02:31:47,120
Sorry, I'm

2042
02:31:47,120 --> 02:31:48,360
a little sick.

2043
02:31:54,900 --> 02:31:56,080
So what happened?

2044
02:32:01,360 --> 02:32:03,400
The first thing you do is
you go through security.

2045
02:32:03,940 --> 02:32:06,379
You're not allowed any electronic device,
no

2046
02:32:06,421 --> 02:32:09,120
camera, no recording equipment,
not even a watch.

2047
02:32:11,090 --> 02:32:15,090
The only thing allowed to bring
in is a credit card and your ID.

2048
02:32:16,750 --> 02:32:21,514
I know from talking to Billie that it
doesn't show up right at the start of

2049
02:32:21,556 --> 02:32:26,550
the visitor time, which is 8 a.m. So
my thinking is, if I get there right at 8,

2050
02:32:26,990 --> 02:32:30,910
they'll have like a full hour with her,
at least, before he shows up.

2051
02:32:33,370 --> 02:32:37,359
Then the door opens from
the inside of the prison to the

2052
02:32:37,401 --> 02:32:41,430
visitor room and two other
inmates come out, but not her.

2053
02:32:43,050 --> 02:32:44,130
What are you thinking?

2054
02:32:45,150 --> 02:32:48,743
Well, there's no clock in the room, so I
don't know how much time is passing, and

2055
02:32:48,785 --> 02:32:52,330
they're supposed to call her and she's
supposed to be there within five minutes.

2056
02:32:52,970 --> 02:32:57,550
So I start looking for a
clock and I can't find one.

2057
02:32:59,030 --> 02:32:59,570
Yeah.

2058
02:32:59,830 --> 02:33:04,637
And then I sort of wander over
to the vending machines and

2059
02:33:04,679 --> 02:33:09,690
I'm looking at those and I see
there is a clock on the credit

2060
02:33:09,690 --> 02:33:15,710
card reader on the vending machine
and I see in there the time is like 8 30.

2061
02:33:16,270 --> 02:33:19,350
So I've been waiting for 20
minutes and she's not out yet.

2062
02:33:22,440 --> 02:33:26,655
I go back to my seat
and I keep waiting and I

2063
02:33:26,697 --> 02:33:31,230
start to wonder if she's
going to show up at all.

2064
02:33:43,270 --> 02:33:46,670
So the door opens again and it's her.

2065
02:33:47,310 --> 02:33:50,110
She looked right at me, came towards me.

2066
02:33:50,350 --> 02:33:57,470
I stood up and she hugged
me and it was a very strong hug.

2067
02:33:59,610 --> 02:34:04,110
And I felt her body like vibrating,
like shaking in the hug.

2068
02:34:04,890 --> 02:34:08,750
It lasted about 10 seconds.

2069
02:34:09,590 --> 02:34:12,910
Was her shaking authentic?

2070
02:34:15,790 --> 02:34:17,710
Yeah, that's how it felt from her.

2071
02:34:19,710 --> 02:34:22,630
Then immediately she says to me,
you look different.

2072
02:34:23,830 --> 02:34:24,590
Oh yeah?

2073
02:34:25,110 --> 02:34:25,450
How?

2074
02:34:26,410 --> 02:34:27,670
You seem more serious.

2075
02:34:29,350 --> 02:34:31,750
Did I not seem serious before?

2076
02:34:32,650 --> 02:34:33,770
So I don't know, whatever.

2077
02:34:34,210 --> 02:34:39,169
But we sit down and I noticed a family
member of another inmate was carrying

2078
02:34:39,211 --> 02:34:43,950
a bunch of snacks back from the
vending machines and she was like looking

2079
02:34:43,950 --> 02:34:44,870
over at that.

2080
02:34:45,110 --> 02:34:51,810
So I just felt, oh like,
do you want some food?

2081
02:34:52,250 --> 02:34:54,290
And she was like, that'd be great.

2082
02:34:55,190 --> 02:34:59,930
But you don't have to, we're just
not allowed to buy snacks ourselves.

2083
02:35:00,290 --> 02:35:01,030
From the machines?

2084
02:35:01,430 --> 02:35:01,690
Yeah.

2085
02:35:01,970 --> 02:35:03,630
Oh yeah, no problem.

2086
02:35:04,190 --> 02:35:05,590
What do you want?

2087
02:35:06,630 --> 02:35:08,630
I like the turkey jerky.

2088
02:35:09,250 --> 02:35:11,170
Funny that she likes turkey jerky so much.

2089
02:35:12,990 --> 02:35:15,880
So you get to the vending machine,
it's already 8.55

2090
02:35:15,922 --> 02:35:18,630
and you know Billy's
coming in like five minutes.

2091
02:35:19,170 --> 02:35:22,910
I know Billy comes around nine,
so I just don't know how much time I have.

2092
02:35:27,410 --> 02:35:29,390
So how do you know Amanda Seyfried,
she says?

2093
02:35:29,790 --> 02:35:31,530
I mean, the way she says it is Seyfried.

2094
02:35:33,580 --> 02:35:34,880
So how do you know Amanda Seyfried?

2095
02:35:36,280 --> 02:35:37,580
So she brings me up.

2096
02:35:37,980 --> 02:35:39,380
So yeah, she brought you up.

2097
02:35:43,280 --> 02:35:46,400
She says, you know, people in here
think that Amanda's show is a documentary.

2098
02:35:48,880 --> 02:35:50,500
They think everything in there happened.

2099
02:35:52,200 --> 02:35:55,753
A guard came up to me and said
that I was a terrible person and I

2100
02:35:55,795 --> 02:35:59,280
asked what they had read and all
they had seen is Amanda's show.

2101
02:36:02,970 --> 02:36:05,650
Yeah,
I don't know really about that stuff.

2102
02:36:06,990 --> 02:36:11,823
I get treated worse in here
because of her portrayal of me and it's

2103
02:36:11,865 --> 02:36:16,810
really fucked up that a woman
would do something like that to another

2104
02:36:16,810 --> 02:36:17,210
woman.

2105
02:36:18,610 --> 02:36:19,590
Okay, wow.

2106
02:36:21,250 --> 02:36:22,350
I didn't do that to her.

2107
02:36:23,150 --> 02:36:23,990
She did that to herself.

2108
02:36:26,220 --> 02:36:30,940
I think it's, I mean,
my defenses are up because I'm like,

2109
02:36:30,982 --> 02:36:35,420
yeah, I feel bad for the way
you're being treated here.

2110
02:36:36,580 --> 02:36:41,600
Um, but also it's not our
job to teach people things.

2111
02:36:44,820 --> 02:36:47,942
I mean, I have nothing against
Amanda personally, but the women who

2112
02:36:47,984 --> 02:36:51,100
made the show, all of them,
they knew exactly what they were doing.

2113
02:36:51,300 --> 02:36:53,760
They knew that the
show was filled with lies.

2114
02:36:54,180 --> 02:36:55,760
I mean, lies aren't, it's not lies.

2115
02:36:55,900 --> 02:36:58,120
I'm not, like, those aren't lies.

2116
02:36:58,300 --> 02:37:00,920
They're, it's, it's,
it's fucking TV, you know.

2117
02:37:01,780 --> 02:37:05,476
If the show hadn't been made,
people would still

2118
02:37:05,518 --> 02:37:09,560
have fucking bullied her
for what they think she did.

2119
02:37:10,520 --> 02:37:13,069
When the machine exploded
and blood spurted out and

2120
02:37:13,111 --> 02:37:15,500
then she said, you know what,
it doesn't matter.

2121
02:37:16,180 --> 02:37:16,900
Did that happen?

2122
02:37:19,790 --> 02:37:23,267
I don't know if she says,
you know what, it didn't matter

2123
02:37:23,309 --> 02:37:27,130
because she behaved as though,
you know what, it didn't matter.

2124
02:37:28,010 --> 02:37:30,750
But there's no,
it's possible that she said that.

2125
02:37:32,130 --> 02:37:34,070
But that lie is made up.

2126
02:37:34,410 --> 02:37:34,850
Yeah, absolutely.

2127
02:37:35,030 --> 02:37:35,490
We weren't there.

2128
02:37:35,970 --> 02:37:40,950
It's so painful to, to, I'm just,
I'm tired of, of, of having other people.

2129
02:37:45,970 --> 02:37:47,730
I just don't want that
to ever happen again.

2130
02:37:49,670 --> 02:37:52,310
I think this is all Billy getting,
getting into her head.

2131
02:37:52,450 --> 02:37:54,470
It's, what is it, it's a conspiracy now.

2132
02:37:55,650 --> 02:37:56,370
Amanda's show.

2133
02:37:56,510 --> 02:37:56,650
Okay.

2134
02:37:57,090 --> 02:37:57,430
Hmm.

2135
02:37:58,190 --> 02:37:58,530
Okay.

2136
02:38:00,010 --> 02:38:03,385
So I'm starting to get a
little nervous because we

2137
02:38:03,427 --> 02:38:07,310
haven't gotten to the thing
that I came to talk about yet.

2138
02:38:07,650 --> 02:38:10,650
And I just don't know when
Billy's going to show up.

2139
02:38:11,630 --> 02:38:16,402
So, um, when we were with
you a few years ago, back

2140
02:38:16,444 --> 02:38:21,070
in San Diego, Del Mar,
did Billy ever tell you the

2141
02:38:21,070 --> 02:38:25,190
details of the deal he made for
your involvement in this project?

2142
02:38:25,190 --> 02:38:32,610
Uh,
I'm not really sure what you mean by that.

2143
02:38:35,310 --> 02:38:41,710
Well, he negotiated a contract to get
paid a portion of the profits of the film.

2144
02:38:47,160 --> 02:38:47,520
Yeah.

2145
02:38:47,680 --> 02:38:52,551
I mean, I, I'm not,
I'm not really involved in,

2146
02:38:52,593 --> 02:38:57,300
in that because it's
just not really my thing.

2147
02:39:01,740 --> 02:39:05,760
Billy told me he knew some of
the details of the deal he made.

2148
02:39:08,490 --> 02:39:10,050
What details did you know?

2149
02:39:11,110 --> 02:39:14,690
And Liz says, well,
I knew he was talking to you about it.

2150
02:39:19,840 --> 02:39:21,680
Well, I knew that he
was talking to you about it.

2151
02:39:25,780 --> 02:39:31,038
So she knew that when she
went upstairs to check on the

2152
02:39:31,080 --> 02:39:36,000
kids, that the money stuff
was going to be discussed

2153
02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:38,380
because she's telling you she knew.

2154
02:39:39,940 --> 02:39:42,988
And that clarifies
the fact that she had

2155
02:39:43,030 --> 02:39:46,420
knowledge of the deal,
which is very strange.

2156
02:39:47,400 --> 02:39:50,775
Um, and it does start,
it's starting to feel

2157
02:39:50,817 --> 02:39:54,460
like she is just trying
to keep her hands clean.

2158
02:39:57,190 --> 02:40:00,770
Cause it's interesting because when
she said that to me, how'd you feel?

2159
02:40:03,050 --> 02:40:11,450
I didn't instantly receive it as,
or she must be deceiving me.

2160
02:40:11,510 --> 02:40:16,010
So maybe she didn't
actually say it like this.

2161
02:40:16,110 --> 02:40:19,931
I'm wondering,
maybe she said, well, I knew

2162
02:40:19,973 --> 02:40:24,010
he was talking to you about something,
not it.

2163
02:40:27,280 --> 02:40:28,900
Those are two different parts for sure.

2164
02:40:33,870 --> 02:40:38,780
And yeah, I feel confident about that.

2165
02:40:38,900 --> 02:40:39,120
Okay.

2166
02:40:39,700 --> 02:40:45,480
So, um, can you change
that in your script actually?

2167
02:40:45,640 --> 02:40:48,040
Will you change it to something?

2168
02:40:52,830 --> 02:40:57,250
I knew that he was talking to
you about something you did.

2169
02:40:57,450 --> 02:40:57,610
Yeah.

2170
02:40:57,990 --> 02:41:00,570
Again, this is more his thing.

2171
02:41:01,150 --> 02:41:02,410
We are very separate on these things.

2172
02:41:05,500 --> 02:41:09,260
I guess what I'm wondering is,
is this something that you want?

2173
02:41:09,960 --> 02:41:14,060
Because there still is time to change it.

2174
02:41:14,540 --> 02:41:16,840
It's not my world anymore.

2175
02:41:16,980 --> 02:41:17,880
It doesn't pertain to me.

2176
02:41:18,060 --> 02:41:19,700
You know, it was not my focus at the time.

2177
02:41:19,700 --> 02:41:22,400
How does it not pertain to you?

2178
02:41:23,180 --> 02:41:26,153
He negotiated a deal to
profit off your participation in

2179
02:41:26,195 --> 02:41:29,260
this movie, a deal that you're
both going to benefit from.

2180
02:41:29,660 --> 02:41:32,500
And you keep ringing this bell
that you don't care about money.

2181
02:41:32,720 --> 02:41:33,180
Okay.

2182
02:41:34,020 --> 02:41:38,222
So you have no opinion about
how turning this thing into an

2183
02:41:38,264 --> 02:41:42,860
opportunity for profit is going
to affect that perception of you?

2184
02:41:42,980 --> 02:41:45,960
I completely understand
where you're coming from.

2185
02:41:46,120 --> 02:41:49,463
And if you think it's bad for the project,
I'll talk

2186
02:41:49,505 --> 02:41:52,760
to Billy,
but our finances are completely separate.

2187
02:41:53,480 --> 02:41:55,440
Come on, Liz, you have kids together.

2188
02:41:56,240 --> 02:42:00,680
So whether or not she knew about the
financial part of the deal is one thing.

2189
02:42:02,260 --> 02:42:02,800
Maybe she did.

2190
02:42:02,920 --> 02:42:08,260
Maybe she didn't, but I could not
get a sense of how she felt about it.

2191
02:42:08,400 --> 02:42:13,120
And it almost seemed like
she had no opinion of her own.

2192
02:42:13,260 --> 02:42:16,920
Let me talk to Billy and I'm sure
whatever the path is, it'll be great.

2193
02:42:17,760 --> 02:42:19,200
This is so frustrating.

2194
02:42:19,740 --> 02:42:20,060
What is she?

2195
02:42:20,140 --> 02:42:23,510
How is she going to
get any help if she's just

2196
02:42:23,552 --> 02:42:27,180
like, like, like hiding behind this,
this jackass.

2197
02:42:31,350 --> 02:42:36,214
I find it interesting that you can
be someone who doesn't care

2198
02:42:36,256 --> 02:42:40,770
about money, but you're
intertwined with someone who does.

2199
02:42:41,930 --> 02:42:46,550
And you're not eager to influence
decisions in that relationship.

2200
02:42:48,190 --> 02:42:50,470
Does that actually mean
you don't care about money?

2201
02:42:51,370 --> 02:42:53,290
Sort of hard to tell.

2202
02:42:53,590 --> 02:42:55,950
I don't have the option
to care about money.

2203
02:42:56,210 --> 02:42:59,690
I owe hundreds of millions
of dollars of restitution.

2204
02:43:00,750 --> 02:43:02,810
Every dollar I make, they take from me.

2205
02:43:04,540 --> 02:43:05,960
I promise I'll talk to him.

2206
02:43:06,660 --> 02:43:10,890
Are you even aware of the
decisions he's making on your behalf?

2207
02:43:11,750 --> 02:43:14,992
That photo of yourself
that you hate is currently

2208
02:43:15,034 --> 02:43:17,790
blown up on billboards
all across America.

2209
02:43:17,950 --> 02:43:18,790
I heard about that.

2210
02:43:19,490 --> 02:43:20,470
He told you about that?

2211
02:43:21,250 --> 02:43:25,890
I mean, he's created an AI version of
you that can say whatever he wants to say.

2212
02:43:26,330 --> 02:43:31,050
And he's pretending to be on Twitter
and telling people to go fuck themselves.

2213
02:43:31,990 --> 02:43:35,350
I can't imagine that these
are things that you want.

2214
02:43:36,510 --> 02:43:38,510
Billy has his own way of doing things.

2215
02:43:41,630 --> 02:43:42,310
Okay.

2216
02:43:48,230 --> 02:43:53,357
This whole experience,
this fire that we're going

2217
02:43:53,399 --> 02:43:58,050
through together,
it's just annealed our love

2218
02:43:58,050 --> 02:44:01,570
in such an intense way.

2219
02:44:03,550 --> 02:44:03,990
Annealed?

2220
02:44:04,310 --> 02:44:04,610
Yeah.

2221
02:44:07,910 --> 02:44:09,070
I feel him so deeply.

2222
02:44:13,190 --> 02:44:21,420
Even when I'm in my cell, alone,
you know, I, I feel him with me.

2223
02:44:21,940 --> 02:44:23,220
And we don't even need to speak.

2224
02:44:25,640 --> 02:44:27,760
And that's how I talk to him.

2225
02:44:28,340 --> 02:44:30,400
I have conversations with him in my head.

2226
02:44:32,740 --> 02:44:37,220
And I know what he's
feeling and what he would say.

2227
02:44:49,430 --> 02:44:50,430
Let's keep going.

2228
02:44:52,600 --> 02:44:55,430
I see these couples who've
been together for years and years,

2229
02:44:55,472 --> 02:44:58,480
and they're supposedly in love,
but you can see that they're not.

2230
02:45:01,300 --> 02:45:02,100
And I'm like, why?

2231
02:45:02,580 --> 02:45:02,840
Why?

2232
02:45:06,410 --> 02:45:08,150
Why would you do that to yourself?

2233
02:45:11,870 --> 02:45:12,950
And I've never had that with Billy.

2234
02:45:16,440 --> 02:45:18,240
Not once, not once.

2235
02:45:20,100 --> 02:45:22,220
And I don't have to
pretend with him anymore.

2236
02:45:24,160 --> 02:45:27,440
It's so, it's just so real, you guys.

2237
02:45:31,950 --> 02:45:38,010
And we're building many months of
love for each other each and every day.

2238
02:45:45,700 --> 02:45:50,779
Ever since Billy has come into my life,
I've become convinced

2239
02:45:50,821 --> 02:45:55,280
that our idea of what we
believe to be God is actually

2240
02:45:55,280 --> 02:45:55,780
love.

2241
02:46:07,710 --> 02:46:12,050
I mean, I don't know if this is like
a Stockholm syndrome symptom.

2242
02:46:16,800 --> 02:46:17,220
I don't know.

2243
02:46:17,320 --> 02:46:23,780
I guess in the moment I
thought it was like, kind of nice.

2244
02:46:25,040 --> 02:46:26,280
Are you kidding me?

2245
02:46:26,300 --> 02:46:27,640
He's the most selfish.

2246
02:46:28,820 --> 02:46:30,520
He's a, he's a narcissist.

2247
02:46:34,350 --> 02:46:39,630
Well, I think the love is like real.

2248
02:46:48,580 --> 02:46:52,630
Not sense duress.

2249
02:46:53,109 --> 02:46:55,710
I did not sense fear.

2250
02:46:57,530 --> 02:47:02,750
I sensed just complete,
unbridled, genuine.

2251
02:47:10,750 --> 02:47:11,650
She looks great.

2252
02:47:58,250 --> 02:48:00,010
I'm just curious.

2253
02:48:01,090 --> 02:48:01,770
Yeah.

2254
02:48:03,840 --> 02:48:10,560
There were moments or was a moment
when you guys were alone in the prison.

2255
02:48:12,040 --> 02:48:22,340
And I'm just wondering if there was
maybe a moment where she was being

2256
02:48:22,340 --> 02:48:32,600
deceitful or manipulative and you're
not including it because you're being

2257
02:48:32,600 --> 02:48:33,460
protective of her.

2258
02:48:36,010 --> 02:48:37,850
Why would you think I was doing that?

2259
02:48:41,160 --> 02:48:41,800
I don't know.

2260
02:48:43,730 --> 02:48:44,630
Well, what do you mean?

2261
02:48:44,790 --> 02:48:45,230
I don't know.

2262
02:48:45,350 --> 02:48:46,170
I feel like from nowhere.

2263
02:48:46,330 --> 02:48:56,320
I'm no, I just feel like maybe you're
just don't want to portray something that

2264
02:48:56,320 --> 02:48:57,060
might hurt her.

2265
02:48:57,800 --> 02:49:00,500
Why would I not want to portray
something that might hurt her?

2266
02:49:02,060 --> 02:49:03,600
Because you care about her.

2267
02:49:12,710 --> 02:49:19,950
I'm not putting, I'm not really putting my
feelings into this or I'm trying not to.

2268
02:49:20,090 --> 02:49:24,720
I'm just trying to be accurate.

2269
02:49:26,540 --> 02:49:48,740
You know, why

2270
02:50:00,130 --> 02:50:00,690
are you smiling?