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We are in San Diego. We are at the
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which has been really nice, like a port
in the storm.

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Yeah, so we've started documenting Liz's
life right now.

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You know, we have...

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people kind of constantly around us
starting to capture these moments

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because what we're going through right
now well I mean at its simplest level I

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feel like the reason why Liz has been
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nobody knows who she is right and like
in absence of knowing somebody it's

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really easy to make them feel other and
scary like it's easy to build up this

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myth around who the person is when you
don't know who they are so we've kind of

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made the decision that the best way for
people to understand who she is is by

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just giving, like, radical transparency
and, you know, as much access as

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possible into our daily lives.

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You know, to sleep, to, you know, what
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and everything in between.

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I just want to show that it works.

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is what the...

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of accounts associated with the charges
on patients and patient testing.

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And I don't have any money. I'm deeply
in debt for the legal

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fees associated with my criminal case.

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But I do want the ability to defend
myself and would ask for

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your consideration in that.

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Our work is in being able to make

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testing works.

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Elizabeth Holmes built her company
Theranos on this invention she called

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the iPod of healthcare, a miniaturized
blood analyzer that would disrupt the

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$60 billion lab testing industry. It
was, she claimed, quote, the most

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important thing humanity has ever built.
And Elizabeth Holmes became the youngest

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self-made female billionaire in the
world. She was also at the center of a

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massive multi-year fraud. Each day I
greet the sun.

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I think she's really good at telling you
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you need to hear to keep going. She's
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She told everyone that it worked and it
didn't work at all. They

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really

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run this company as a couple and they

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perpetrate this fraud as a couple.
Prosecutors say he and Elizabeth Holmes

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are partners in virtually everything.

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She claimed that they could use one drop
of blood to test a bunch of different

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things, but it turned out that that's...

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Technology did not work. She was
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defrauding investors.

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She was not found guilty of fraud.

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Miss Holmes was

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not spoken to the media in 2016.

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Her trajectory launched a cottage
industry of podcasts, TV shows,

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Halloween costumes, and the actress
Amanda Seyfried Emmy Award winning turn

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as Miss Holmes.

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In the Hulus, the dropout.

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The black turtlenecks, the kabuki red
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to Lil Wayne.

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Somewhere along the way, Miss Holmes
says the person, whoever that is, got

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lost. At one point, I tell her that I
heard Jennifer Lawrence had pulled out

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of portraying her in a movie. She
replied almost reflectively, not playing

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me.

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90% of the stuff that's quoted in here
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Do you do that with me?

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No.

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Not yet.

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It's probably a good idea.

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The way in which they use words.

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we need to go back on a few of these
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inaccurate.

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The world believes a reality about me
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isn't true. And so what is the reality?

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and how did we get here where all these
people believe these things it didn't

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happen how did that happen but you
didn't commit any crime you think

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i i know i didn't commit any crime

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can i tell you a little bit of an

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insecurity of mine okay i read that

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you asked um general mattis to be on the
board of your company

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and you know he's a military guy but
he's not a science guy

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so part of me maybe is a little insecure
that you look at me as someone

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who is uneducated on science and
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things so i can't question you in a way
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So, why, uh, why me?

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I think we've been thinking about this
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Because you could have gone to, like,
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you didn't. Because, what, do they suck
or do you think they suck or something?

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I don't actually at all. Okay, I don't
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I mean, the purpose, at least to me, the
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litigate the science.

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Although I really hope people look at
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documents that support that.

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It starts with who I am and what my
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was and still is.

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I do want to say to you for just full
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um theranos and you and you know i do
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that points to the fact that you
defrauded investors and

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also deceived um you know regulators and
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and and patients and um were involved in
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I look, I mean, I understand what people
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understand that people believe those
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All I know is my truth and

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my

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love for my family.

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Take it away from them.

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Do you want to get a tissue or
something? Hold on.

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I think we're going to need to put a pin
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Okay. Because it's 1220 now.

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You have a ton of calls that you need to
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I don't want to speak for you.

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what

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do you think you guys want to film next?

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if you'd like to oh come into that um
pick your piece wisely what is

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this again it's a pink pineapple in
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vision she had with theranos hasn't died
is this just kind of like a random

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thought or are there other plans for for
this no there's there's not

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just plans but there's plans in the
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taken a lot of the first steps to make
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her intention with this she hasn't
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since when i met her wow the idea is to
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back together and do it all again no
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no there's one we know which was the
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And here's the second iteration of the
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Theranos 2.0. Yeah.

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What is up first for you guys tomorrow?

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We've got a 9.20 appointment for Ivy.

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And we typically don't like going on the
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like a million people until like Friday
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What day were you thinking the bonfire?

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I haven't thought that through yet. I
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what his availability is.

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Okay. One conversation that we had
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the studio yesterday is that he said
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very willing to speak with you on
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did you take the eggs over? What was she
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wanted to help her.

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so she could focus on talking to you
okay what i was doing wrong is he

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doesn't think that i'm mixing them she
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very lightly the eggs don't taste as
good because you just really want to

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make sure that they're well stirred
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how did you two meet we met at a
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sorry i got distracted um by what just a

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thought what's the thought i was trying
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just I don't know. There's so many
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moment. Like when you met her? Yeah.
Like what?

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Well, first I didn't know who she was.

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But you, did you know who she was in
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Elizabeth Holmes was at that time?

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I did. Yeah. I mean, I was working in
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building the week before.

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uh-huh because we were looking at
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exactly who she was i'd read a lot of
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so how did you not recognize her she was
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and she had like a band-aid on her face
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-aid i had just gotten a husky and he
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i had this cut on my face so that may
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was it love at first sight i think for
me it was really i don't know yeah i was

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like very flirtated i was trying to be
flirtation you were yeah definitely what

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do you like when you flirt i just i
didn't know what to say to him so i was

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just kind of staring at him so is that
your technique you like hold eye contact

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yeah yeah and i started talking and very
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kind of like everything else ceased to
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Like it was just the two of us, you
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somebody and there's other people
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two of you. I mean, at the time in 2017,
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Theranos. It was only bad news.

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And you just didn't know who she was?

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No idea, yeah.

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When did you realize?

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Maybe an hour into talking.

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And what did she say that made you
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Something about giving people access to
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realize, oh, testing and diagnostics.
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That's who this is.

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It was super fast.

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It went from zero to 100 really quickly.

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I mean, the first time that he started
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together, I thought he was kidding. And
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serious because I was like, are you, do
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have gone in the same direction with you
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was you as opposed to?

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maybe not i mean the bias is so strong i
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before or after the she revealed she was
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okay um you fell in love like in a few
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hour you know it was just there it was
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face though yeah i guess that wasn't
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a very handsome man and you're
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with women i'm guessing yeah i like
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know you you like them but like i'm sure
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same time i met liz you were yeah how
many nobody too seriously maybe three

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people

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And then you meet Liz, and she gets
indicted for a crime. And you are

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choosing at that point to be like, okay,
this is what I want for my life.

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Why?

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I think which speaks to how much I love
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That's cool.

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Yeah, it's amazing.

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I mean, weren't you worried she was sort
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100%. 100%. But what did she have to
gain from me?

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Well, isn't your family rich?

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Yeah, I think that there's, like, a lot
of different levels of wealth, right?

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Okay. And I think I certainly come from
a family that has done well, but...

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level of wealth you should you should no
i'm not going to answer that question

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more your parents is that where the
money is or i mean they built a business

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you gotta go okay it's 5 30.

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my cousin thing started at 5 15. oh okay
sorry i didn't know um

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How do you decide what to put in and
what to leave out?

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Right now I'm putting everything in and
then I'll cut once I

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sort of see it all together and how it
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Did you write about signing at all?

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I did.

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It's a big part of my life.

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guys together?

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Almost 12 years.

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What was Sonny's role at Theranos?

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He was the president and chief operating
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chairman of the board.

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And what was your role?

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I was the CEO and the chairman of the
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I believed in him because I thought he
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doing.

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But I know that I didn't question

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him in the way that I otherwise would
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been in place.

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An overly trusting person.

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For sure.

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But I think that's the best way to build
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ones because I think if you start from a
place of complete trust, then if it is

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going to be a good relationship, it'll
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That's a really nice philosophy.

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That's how Billy and I met and built the
relationship that we have.

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Two, three of those. One, come on.

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Come on, man. One,

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two, three.

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do things get lost like how are you
where you are right now i don't i

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don't know i what's your best guess i
mean if you're you feel

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like everything that you did was above
board and you operated in good faith and

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do you feel like your legal team you
know their advice has led you to this

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point

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No, I think they've put their hearts and
souls into fighting it.

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And they're still fighting.

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So who messed up then in this process?

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I wish I knew.

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I don't know. I don't feel like I
understand that.

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Do you think that's part of the reason
why people can't come around to you is

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because they feel like you're not
admitting to the things that you do?

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Probably. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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How does that make you feel?

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makes it hard to stand up for the truth,
but I would never be able to live with

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myself if I didn't.

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What do you feel like is the hardest
thing for you to do emotionally?

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What do you mean?

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Like, when it comes to emotions.

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What's the hardest thing for you?

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It took me a really long time to be okay
with

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letting someone see me cry.

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At a high level, the New York Times is
unwilling to change the, I created a

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character. Even though we told them,
like, look, we've got all these tapes.

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It wasn't said anywhere.

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And they feel strongly that she took
sufficient notes to cover that. But they

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don't have, like, they haven't come back
saying, well, here's the place that you

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said it. Or this, like, we have any
recording of this.

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They just say that they stand by their
reporting.

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Let Liz describe it to you.

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Do they have proof you said it?

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I don't know. I know that we, as she
would speak with us, we would record the

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conversations too, because that's what
our comms person said to do. Yeah, yeah.

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But we don't have any recording of me
saying, I created a character.

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You should find out if there's a
recording.

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We don't.

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Come on. Okay.

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Sorry. To be continued. Okay, to be
continued. Because I do, okay. I want to

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ask, just because the thing that, I know
it's such a small thing, the New York

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Times thing, but the reason I'm so
interested is because if you...

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didn't say this it really shows the
narrative of people trying to make me

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into that turn you into that but if you
did say it it speaks to the fact that

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maybe you don't recall some things that
you've said or done yeah so the answer

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to this question feels very relevant for
sure yeah my process was my memory and

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then reviewing all our tapes and
confirming yeah and then following up

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based on that

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Okay, yeah. I know you have to go, so
anyways. Can we continue? Okay, great.

283
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Thanks.

284
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Yeah, I just started filming the screen
as it was writing, so then I was, like,

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trying to hide the sections that I'm not
sure if I want to include or not. Just

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not to film the screen.

287
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No.

288
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Listen, you've got to fucking stand up
for yourself, okay?

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This whole thing was about, like,
whether I'm an honest and transparent

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person. It's so late.

291
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There's a difference between being
transparent and not being uncomfortable

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sharing something you don't know.

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I mean, just to be clear, this person
has no deep experience. This is a

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student with a passion for trying to
highlight problems that exist within the

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legal system who is interested in
dedicating herself and her life.

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to that continued pursuit i'm telling
you you guys just kill the wi-fi every

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time i mean when i was on the steering
it was like dropping it makes us our

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ability to do business like untenable i
don't think it has anything to do with

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our equipment it 100 does because like
at night i've got zero problems it's

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only something something's interfering
because like even when i tried to do

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that hearing the other day it dropped
like 10 times really yeah i feel like

302
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we're we're on different frequencies
right

303
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I think it's the monitors.

304
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I'm unable to connect to this Wi-Fi. I'm
not able to connect to our Wi-Fi. Would

305
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it be the monitors? I think it's this.
There we go.

306
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Hi. Hi.

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Can you guys hear me?

308
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Yeah, sorry. We were having to do Wi-Fi
issues.

309
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So nice to meet you.

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So nice to meet you.

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Would you know, with the fact that
you've involved in similar cases, was

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that disclosed at trial?

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they were able to get into it at like
the highest level but not really no the

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entire government's case was predicated
on this idea that the technology didn't

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work right but they had no evidence to
that so they had three patients all of

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which liz was acquitted of like each of
those counts and then they had nothing

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else so they brought in this expert
witness and had him say whatever the

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fuck they wanted him to say right like i
mean it's just procedurally totally

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incorrect i mean you know some of some
of the questions that i that i would

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have

321
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Every single time that you guys are
here, the Wi-Fi does not work.

322
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,460
And so you're thinking of working with
her on your case?

323
00:30:10,220 --> 00:30:15,900
You know, the truth is, like, I don't
have the money to pay her to do that. So

324
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the question would be, like, would there
be a role for her in, like, the telling

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of our story? I don't know.

326
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But she could help give context as to
where there are strings to be pulled.

327
00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:32,280
You know, it's this weird thing because
I've seen a lot of places where I think

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there's just, like,

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fundamental wrongs.

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And, you know, I hope that you guys can
look into it because I think it will

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yield results that will really surprise
everyone.

332
00:31:03,050 --> 00:31:07,110
but it takes time and energy and effort
and like passion and somebody to care

333
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:13,790
about it so so maybe you have it nathan

334
00:31:13,790 --> 00:31:19,150
the ability to think independently and
actually like look into facts because

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00:31:19,150 --> 00:31:21,470
the rest of the world seems totally
incapable of it

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any thoughts

337
00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:29,170
any thoughts

338
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,800
I still have this weird feeling that
there's some things that I'm not seeing

339
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,520
fully about you guys.

340
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:10,320
I know you guys invited me to stay here
with you and I declined the offer.

341
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,680
But I've been thinking maybe if I do
take you up on your offer and to really

342
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,599
be here.

343
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,720
You are welcome to be here.

344
00:32:21,220 --> 00:32:25,080
Does any part of you worry about me
being here 24-7?

345
00:32:25,790 --> 00:32:26,790
I don't think so.

346
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:32,450
That's what you asked for, is to see
everything.

347
00:32:32,670 --> 00:32:37,250
So this is everything.

348
00:32:38,650 --> 00:32:42,090
But what if I see something that makes
you look bad, that makes you look

349
00:32:42,090 --> 00:32:43,710
guilty, really guilty?

350
00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:45,110
I'm not guilty.

351
00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:47,410
But what if I see something that makes
you look that way?

352
00:32:47,730 --> 00:32:49,170
Then you'll ask questions about it.

353
00:32:51,070 --> 00:32:52,650
You really feel you did nothing wrong?

354
00:32:53,310 --> 00:32:54,310
I did not.

355
00:32:59,150 --> 00:33:00,990
You never tried to deceive anyone.

356
00:33:01,570 --> 00:33:03,230
I've never tried to deceive anyone.

357
00:33:03,510 --> 00:33:04,510
Ever in your life?

358
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:06,430
No.

359
00:33:07,510 --> 00:33:08,510
Tell me this.

360
00:33:09,390 --> 00:33:12,650
Have you ever lied in your life?

361
00:33:17,530 --> 00:33:19,170
I don't think so.

362
00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:20,450
I don't... What?

363
00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:27,030
You've never lied in your life? You've
never said something untrue?

364
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,760
Not intentionally.

365
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,840
A white lie?

366
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,520
I mean, I don't know. When I was a kid,
you know? But I've always tried to say

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00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,379
what I believe.

368
00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:40,800
That's how I've built my life.

369
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,680
That's why this is so important to me.

370
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:48,000
What's your definition of a lie?

371
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,520
Intentionally saying something you
believe to be untrue.

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00:33:57,290 --> 00:34:01,530
Like, let's say, you know, you didn't
want to go to a party, like a friend's

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or like an acquaintance's party.

374
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:08,850
And you're just like, oh, I'm like not
feeling great. I don't want to. You've

375
00:34:08,850 --> 00:34:11,210
never done something like that? Or if
you don't like someone.

376
00:34:11,449 --> 00:34:16,010
I'm sure. I mean, I was thinking about
lies as like the kind of things that

377
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:17,010
I've been accused of.

378
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:21,630
But. Well, you've done lies like that.

379
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:24,469
Telling a friend I feel sick when I
don't? Yeah.

380
00:34:24,870 --> 00:34:25,870
I mean.

381
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,080
Yeah.

382
00:34:27,820 --> 00:34:29,800
That's mommy's jacket. Thank you.

383
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:32,239
Is that mommy's jacket or daddy's
jacket?

384
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,440
Mama's jacket?

385
00:34:34,540 --> 00:34:35,540
Okay.

386
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,020
This adhesion is essential for cell
survival.

387
00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:48,600
If cells become detached from their
microenvironment, they will die through

388
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,980
a process known as apoptosis.

389
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,740
This phenomenon, which is called
adhesion dependency of survival.

390
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,940
Okay, is that thing on the bed all there
is, or is there a mattress too?

391
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,320
Is that what we're in there? For the gas
tub, yeah.

392
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,920
Yeah, we've got everything in the
storage container. Oh,

393
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,300
okay, okay. Yeah, we've got...

394
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,000
This wasn't sure if it was only the...
Yeah, we like sleeping on just bed

395
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,000
frames here.

396
00:36:38,250 --> 00:36:41,310
Doesn't that mess with your head,
though, when money is involved, like

397
00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:42,310
that much money?

398
00:36:43,170 --> 00:36:45,870
No, that's not what motivates me.

399
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:52,090
But what about when the company started
to be worth so much money?

400
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:56,530
I had never once sold a share.

401
00:36:57,210 --> 00:36:59,970
It was never what this was about.

402
00:37:11,180 --> 00:37:17,380
can i play you uh a piece of audio that
you you said uh it's a clip from this uh

403
00:37:17,380 --> 00:37:23,940
interview you did with this uh
journalist for fortune um parla

404
00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:25,700
i think that was his name

405
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,380
So you say there, the fact that we have
a single device that can perform any

406
00:37:55,380 --> 00:37:56,640
test is a big deal.

407
00:37:57,100 --> 00:38:02,840
But from what I know, you couldn't do
every test on a single device. That's

408
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,620
the whole problem. That's why you're
going to prison, right?

409
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:12,180
No, that was our invention. And in the
case, I talked about the fact that we

410
00:38:12,180 --> 00:38:16,800
had invented a device that could do any
test.

411
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:22,920
But if you had a single device that
could run any tests, then wasn't that

412
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:23,920
the whole thing?

413
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,900
I don't know what you mean by the whole
thing, but what you said is not the

414
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:34,260
case, and hopefully I can explain that.

415
00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:36,200
What I said is not the case?

416
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:37,420
What do you mean?

417
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,560
That those statements were untrue.

418
00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:42,840
That's a true statement.

419
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,930
Yes. that you have a single device that
can perform any test we did that's what

420
00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:49,930
we invented

421
00:39:25,770 --> 00:39:28,790
So this is the famous scam device.

422
00:39:29,830 --> 00:39:31,390
I mean, it's not a scam device.

423
00:39:32,410 --> 00:39:37,310
But that's what people think, right?

424
00:39:38,570 --> 00:39:42,630
I don't know what people think. What I
know is what we invented.

425
00:39:43,530 --> 00:39:49,330
And to me, the technology is amazing.

426
00:39:50,190 --> 00:39:52,090
So this works, you're saying?

427
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:57,070
It did. Right now, these are just
components of a system.

428
00:39:57,450 --> 00:39:58,510
It opens itself.

429
00:39:59,370 --> 00:40:00,630
Did you invent this?

430
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:05,390
How it opens like that?

431
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:10,490
Our team did. I don't remember who the
inventor was on that. That wasn't your

432
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:11,490
idea.

433
00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:12,970
I don't remember.

434
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:20,950
Our technologies worked by allowing the
cartridge.

435
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:28,740
when it was inserted into a device to
call the cloud and send

436
00:40:28,740 --> 00:40:35,200
protocols from the cloud down to the
device, telling you what to do with the

437
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,540
cartridge that had just been put in.

438
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:45,000
And we developed that for all these
different methods of chemistry that we

439
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,160
were running tests.

440
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:53,570
So in that way, you can run any test
because it's based on the cloud sending

441
00:40:53,570 --> 00:40:59,670
information to a device and you can
preload any different type of chemistry

442
00:40:59,670 --> 00:41:06,630
into the cartridge that makes sense so
the device is different than

443
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:13,390
the chemistry exactly the device is
capable of running any test yes

444
00:41:13,390 --> 00:41:20,180
but because currently the device cannot
run every

445
00:41:20,180 --> 00:41:26,400
test you have to you have to develop the
small sample chemistries for each test

446
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:32,900
yeah validate them for certain tests i
guess that you hadn't done successfully

447
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:39,100
on it it's theoretical yeah because this
is a platform that can

448
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:45,760
run those things it's what you're
referring to is a future based the

449
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:51,630
device can is is capable of running any
it's the word i guess can i'm talking

450
00:41:51,630 --> 00:41:57,550
about here is what we invented what you
invented yeah so when you said the

451
00:41:57,550 --> 00:42:04,010
device can run any test what you meant
was the device

452
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:10,990
is capable of running any test well what
i'm talking about here is

453
00:42:10,990 --> 00:42:15,800
that the device is capable of running
any test yes assuming additional

454
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,820
chemistry is developed.

455
00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:21,820
Assuming you have the chemistry to do
those things.

456
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:29,200
But do you understand that if someone
heard the device can run

457
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:35,780
any test, how they could interpret that
as currently this

458
00:42:35,780 --> 00:42:39,120
device is running any test?

459
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,440
I think...

460
00:42:42,190 --> 00:42:48,570
provided information about the the tests
that uh we had developed and were

461
00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:53,510
developing and because people were
saying oh that it can only run 12 tests

462
00:42:53,510 --> 00:43:00,310
on this thing but i think the problem

463
00:43:00,310 --> 00:43:03,150
is the thing that you're asking nathan
is like what the general public

464
00:43:03,150 --> 00:43:08,530
understood and was saying this thing
like what like you're communicating this

465
00:43:08,530 --> 00:43:12,710
thing and Everyone got a different
picture than what you meant.

466
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:21,930
I was, I mean, I was just trying to
communicate the best I knew how, you

467
00:43:21,930 --> 00:43:24,570
know? And you were trying your best to
be clear.

468
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:25,890
Of course.

469
00:43:33,450 --> 00:43:38,070
Because when you say this and describe
this, I'm like...

470
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:45,380
Well, wait a sec. I guess, yeah, the
device can, like, that's right, what

471
00:43:45,380 --> 00:43:46,380
you're saying.

472
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,540
But I'm also like, well, why choose
those words? Like,

473
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:59,280
why not just, like, add one word that
would make it clear?

474
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:07,240
But I'm a bad communicator. I don't know
a lot of words.

475
00:44:08,890 --> 00:44:10,410
Is that what you're like?

476
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:20,790
I feel like I know I was

477
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:27,090
trying to fully communicate what we've
created. And I

478
00:44:27,090 --> 00:44:31,690
feel like now I'm living in a parallel
universe.

479
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:44,060
Yeah, I don't... I know what you're
feeling.

480
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:47,740
No, you don't.

481
00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:58,180
I gotta quickly take this legal call.

482
00:44:58,860 --> 00:45:01,620
Do you mind cutting the mic for a
second? Sure, yeah.

483
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,520
She's ever lied to you? No, never.

484
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,000
No, never.

485
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:38,740
I know it seems weird, but... And is,
like, you can shower whenever you want,

486
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,140
or at certain times?

487
00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:44,180
If I tell somebody, I'm busy, is that a
lie?

488
00:45:45,180 --> 00:45:46,260
If you're not. Yeah.

489
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,020
Yes. Okay, so I'll say that. Yeah. And
Liz will be like, yeah, Billy's

490
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:51,020
available, he's right here.

491
00:45:51,140 --> 00:45:52,140
Right.

492
00:45:52,620 --> 00:45:54,100
So you lied.

493
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,700
Yes, yes, absolutely.

494
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,680
Not that I've known her to. You have to
wake up at 3.30? And I know it seems

495
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,960
totally improbable. I understand that.
It's weird.

496
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,740
But she's really weird.

497
00:46:05,980 --> 00:46:07,160
She's just not normal.

498
00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:15,020
But the fact that she's most famous for
lying. For that thing, yeah. The thing

499
00:46:15,020 --> 00:46:16,020
she's never done.

500
00:46:17,140 --> 00:46:18,340
You believe that.

501
00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:22,640
Who actually believes it? It's high
school. She's never told a single lie.

502
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,580
What is an invasive script search?

503
00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:51,940
Can you see visitors that first weekend?

504
00:46:55,530 --> 00:47:01,930
i think that there's um why are you
being so weird and cryptic with your

505
00:47:01,930 --> 00:47:07,390
words say say what you're what's there
okay all right thank you

506
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,140
Do you know who Abbott and Costello are?

507
00:47:58,380 --> 00:47:59,600
No. Not really.

508
00:47:59,820 --> 00:48:00,820
No.

509
00:48:02,340 --> 00:48:05,600
Have you heard of the comedy routine
Who's On First?

510
00:48:05,940 --> 00:48:07,420
Mm-hmm. You haven't.

511
00:48:07,820 --> 00:48:10,060
Okay, can I play this for you?

512
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:10,819
Mm-hmm.

513
00:48:10,820 --> 00:48:11,820
Okay.

514
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,980
Something we were talking about the
other day made me think about this.

515
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:19,880
Oh, sure.

516
00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:26,260
A lot of funny names, you know, like
Stinky Fields. Stinky Fields.

517
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,560
Goofy Dan.

518
00:48:27,620 --> 00:48:29,140
Boopy Barber. Boopy Barber.

519
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:32,900
Well,

520
00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:37,000
let's see now. We have on our team, we
have who's on first, what's on second, I

521
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,000
don't know who's on third.

522
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:39,220
That's what I want to find out, the
guy's name.

523
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,980
That's what I want to find out, the
guy's name. Now tell me, who's on first,

524
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,720
what's on second, I don't know who's on
third. You know the names of the

525
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,020
baseball teams? Yeah. You know the guys'
names? Well, I should. Well, you tell me

526
00:48:47,020 --> 00:48:49,420
the guys' names of the baseball teams. I
say, who's on first, what's on second, I

527
00:48:49,420 --> 00:48:51,460
don't know who's on third. You ain't
seen nothing to me yet. Go ahead and

528
00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:52,460
tell me.

529
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,900
I'm telling him. You said none yet. Go
ahead and tell me. Who's on first?

530
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,000
What's on second? I don't know. Who's on
third?

531
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,460
You know the guy's name's on the
baseball team. Well, go ahead. Who's on

532
00:49:00,460 --> 00:49:03,300
first? Yes. I mean the guy's name. Who?
The guy playing first. Who? The guy

533
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:04,299
playing first base. Who?

534
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:05,300
The guy on first base.

535
00:49:05,820 --> 00:49:06,820
Who is on first?

536
00:49:06,940 --> 00:49:08,440
What are you asking me for? I don't
know.

537
00:49:08,820 --> 00:49:11,360
Now, wait a minute. I'm not. I'm asking
you who's on first. That's his name.

538
00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:13,260
Well, go ahead and tell me. Who? The guy
on first. That's it.

539
00:49:15,260 --> 00:49:16,158
That's his name.

540
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,500
I ain't asking nothing. You did. You
know the guy's name on first base? Sure.

541
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:20,820
Tell me the guy's name on first base.
Who?

542
00:49:34,460 --> 00:49:41,300
So that's maybe the most famous comedy
routine of all time.

543
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,600
Do you understand why that's funny?

544
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,480
We couldn't understand each other.

545
00:50:00,340 --> 00:50:02,000
Did you find it funny?

546
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:03,098
I did.

547
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:05,100
What did you find funny about it?

548
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:13,500
That they were just talking over and
past each other in a way that I thought

549
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:14,500
was funny.

550
00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:20,440
And what was funny about it? What did
they not understand?

551
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:27,200
Who the player was on first?

552
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,660
And what was his name?

553
00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:30,860
I don't know.

554
00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:35,100
The guy who's on first, what was his
name?

555
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:41,980
I didn't pick it up. The guy's name is
who?

556
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:44,300
You didn't get it.

557
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,220
You didn't get that?

558
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:51,640
No. And so they didn't understand each
other because who...

559
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,120
Sounds like someone is saying who's on
first.

560
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:56,520
It's like a question.

561
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,480
But the guy's name is who?

562
00:50:59,420 --> 00:51:00,520
You get it now?

563
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:08,800
When you were telling me your
explanation of what you meant by the

564
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:14,260
statement, the fact that we have a
single device that can run any test is a

565
00:51:14,260 --> 00:51:15,058
big deal.

566
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:20,620
It felt like to me, well, that statement
is so clearly.

567
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:27,060
confusing to almost like a comedic level
but you didn't see it that way when we

568
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:33,940
were talking i still don't and so i was
thinking about it and i was like this

569
00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:40,860
feels like who's on first is that

570
00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:47,080
how it feels to you this what do you
mean

571
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,210
billy do you understand what i'm saying
i know exactly what you're saying And

572
00:51:51,210 --> 00:51:55,610
it's like one of the, I'm really glad
you showed us this because it's like in

573
00:51:55,610 --> 00:52:00,570
some ways perfectly illustrates
something that I've tried to communicate

574
00:52:00,570 --> 00:52:04,130
and probably not done well enough, which
is she just thinks differently.

575
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:10,470
And it's what allows her to see the
world differently and to do things

576
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:15,490
differently. But yeah, I think it's one
of the most beautiful things about who

577
00:52:15,490 --> 00:52:16,109
you are.

578
00:52:16,110 --> 00:52:19,750
Yeah, something like that might not
resonate with her and make sense.

579
00:52:26,890 --> 00:52:32,290
i don't know i mean i i felt then and i
still felt that i was

580
00:52:32,290 --> 00:52:37,770
describing i

581
00:52:37,770 --> 00:52:44,750
thought that i was communicating
effectively

582
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:46,830
you know and um

583
00:52:54,090 --> 00:52:59,970
is my is am i off on this or is this
like i i don't know i

584
00:52:59,970 --> 00:53:06,950
don't know i think he's right i think
what

585
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:10,750
he's saying is that you see the world
differently and that you are

586
00:53:10,750 --> 00:53:15,310
communicating very clearly in your mind
that your mind works differently than

587
00:53:15,310 --> 00:53:20,770
others and when other people heard the
thing that you were saying that they

588
00:53:20,770 --> 00:53:21,770
heard it in a way

589
00:53:29,049 --> 00:53:30,470
It's not a bad thing.

590
00:53:30,850 --> 00:53:33,050
You didn't think I was communicating
clearly?

591
00:53:35,550 --> 00:53:41,990
Most people view this and they
understand sort of the joke of who

592
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:45,970
is a confusing name for a baseball
player.

593
00:53:46,770 --> 00:53:53,530
But you watch this and you didn't see
where the confusion was

594
00:53:53,530 --> 00:53:54,530
happening.

595
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:06,180
know if it gives you more clarity or
confusion nathan but well i don't know

596
00:54:06,180 --> 00:54:10,340
i'm like i'm not surprised by that does
that make sense like i'm not surprised

597
00:54:10,340 --> 00:54:16,280
by that at all i'm honestly just
wondering if your mind it doesn't grasp

598
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,360
how a certain statement can be read as
confusing

599
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,400
Curious George visits the zoo. Where's
George?

600
00:55:12,740 --> 00:55:15,700
Right here. The monkey is George.

601
00:55:16,340 --> 00:55:17,560
Hi. Hi.

602
00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:19,660
I'm Nathan.

603
00:55:20,660 --> 00:55:24,160
Hi, Nathan. Nice to meet you. Very nice
to meet you. I'm Noelle.

604
00:55:24,380 --> 00:55:25,380
Noelle.

605
00:55:25,740 --> 00:55:26,840
Pleasure to meet you.

606
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,560
I thought the Hulu series was
untruthful. I mean, but people believe

607
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,800
these things, you know. They take these
things as gospel.

608
00:55:36,460 --> 00:55:38,760
I read that you worked at Enron.

609
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,080
I did.

610
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:41,600
How was that?

611
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:48,780
You spend your life building up your
name and then suddenly

612
00:55:48,780 --> 00:55:55,760
you're associated with something that
just kind of goes under and has a

613
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:56,760
horrible reputation.

614
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,000
I think that's painful for anyone.

615
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,540
Sort of happened to Liz too, huh?

616
00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:04,180
Yeah.

617
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:12,800
Except the difference is that Elizabeth
was by no means guilty

618
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:13,800
of anything.

619
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,640
Where do you think things went wrong for
her?

620
00:56:18,980 --> 00:56:22,820
I can tell you exactly what I think.
That's an easy question to answer.

621
00:56:23,060 --> 00:56:24,580
Okay, answer it then.

622
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,940
So things went wrong for Elizabeth when
she got raped.

623
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:34,140
And I think that she was so stunned by
having been raped.

624
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:39,500
That led to the second thing that really
changed her, and that was when Sonny

625
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:40,760
Balmati came into her life.

626
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:44,620
Elizabeth was like 19, and he was close
to 40.

627
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,440
Did you know he was 40?

628
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:47,940
No, I knew he was older.

629
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,080
You could tell by how he looked? Yeah.

630
00:56:50,860 --> 00:56:52,440
Liz said she couldn't tell.

631
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,480
He's 30 years old and going to a
freshman college program where he has

632
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:02,160
sexual to other students. I think it's a
pretty clear example of trying to seek

633
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,160
out young kids.

634
00:57:05,710 --> 00:57:06,750
So Elizabeth...

635
00:57:06,750 --> 00:57:13,190
Do you

636
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:22,870
find

637
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:28,510
it, like, the fact that you saw Sonia
and you knew he was really old, do you

638
00:57:28,510 --> 00:57:33,330
find it... Hey guys, as much as I love
you guys doing an interview...

639
00:57:34,540 --> 00:57:36,240
really wants to spend time together as a
family.

640
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,060
I didn't mind you letting us go for a
few more minutes. Yeah, however long you

641
00:57:41,060 --> 00:57:44,460
want, but I just, you know, the purpose
of you guys being here is for us to be

642
00:57:44,460 --> 00:57:45,760
able to spend time together. Yeah, I
know.

643
00:57:46,380 --> 00:57:47,920
Do you want us to leave, Billy?

644
00:57:48,140 --> 00:57:50,940
No, I don't want you to leave. I just
want, I think you guys should document

645
00:57:50,940 --> 00:57:52,060
us spending our time together.

646
00:57:52,980 --> 00:57:55,280
I'm just trying to learn, yeah. I'll do
that.

647
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:02,920
Sometimes I can't tell Billy, like,
wants us here or not.

648
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:11,020
Do you, um, I guess, like, Sunny was
this very important relationship in her

649
00:58:11,020 --> 00:58:13,660
life, or at least a big one, yeah.

650
00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:22,200
How do you feel about the fact that
she's getting into business with Billy

651
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,820
after what happened with Sunny? Do you
feel like it's smart to get into

652
00:58:25,820 --> 00:58:28,360
business with someone you're
romantically involved with?

653
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:31,520
Good question.

654
00:58:33,740 --> 00:58:34,740
I trust Billy.

655
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,100
And Elizabeth is a lot wiser.

656
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,040
Elizabeth is a lot wiser. She knows.

657
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,440
I guess Billy wants me to come outside.

658
00:59:08,010 --> 00:59:10,230
Well, I'll do it with you before I go.

659
00:59:12,330 --> 00:59:13,770
You'll watch the dropout with me?

660
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:17,150
I mean, I'd prefer to watch as little of
it as required, just because I think

661
00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:19,550
it's going to disturb me a lot.

662
00:59:19,770 --> 00:59:21,650
But I'll watch it.

663
00:59:21,970 --> 00:59:28,750
Only if you want to. Only if you can do
it. But I would love to watch it with

664
00:59:28,750 --> 00:59:31,090
you, because I also haven't seen it.

665
00:59:32,070 --> 00:59:34,070
Can you say the company name?

666
00:59:34,590 --> 00:59:36,850
Theranos. I thought it was Theranos.

667
00:59:37,230 --> 00:59:40,730
No, Theranos. It's a mix between therapy
and diagnosis.

668
00:59:41,330 --> 00:59:42,330
Why not?

669
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:43,470
Theranos?

670
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:46,970
Because the name is Theranos.

671
00:59:48,110 --> 00:59:50,330
Actually, can we cut that part? Cut the
name.

672
00:59:51,690 --> 00:59:55,250
So, currently we have 500 employees.

673
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,240
You know what?

674
01:00:39,460 --> 01:00:40,460
It's mine.

675
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:44,360
Okay,

676
01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:46,660
I'll check with you.

677
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,640
When are you going to move him?

678
01:00:50,540 --> 01:00:51,540
It depends.

679
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,120
On what?

680
01:00:54,140 --> 01:00:56,140
On how it goes today with my parents.

681
01:00:57,060 --> 01:00:58,740
Yes, on every parent's dream.

682
01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:01,340
And your new sword?

683
01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:03,380
Katana.

684
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:05,100
Look at it.

685
01:01:09,070 --> 01:01:11,750
Ask Larry Ellison about retirement. He
loves Japan.

686
01:01:14,610 --> 01:01:15,830
How are you on the numbers?

687
01:01:17,210 --> 01:01:22,630
Uh, most blood tests are priced too
high. We offer a low-cost alternative

688
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:25,370
with the possibility to scale up.

689
01:01:25,590 --> 01:01:27,290
Don't talk about saving the world.

690
01:01:27,690 --> 01:01:29,390
I'm not going to talk about saving the
world.

691
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:31,510
Don't use your giddy voice.

692
01:01:32,450 --> 01:01:33,650
Don't say awesome.

693
01:01:42,220 --> 01:01:43,220
I want to be too beautiful.

694
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:45,400
It won't take you seriously.

695
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:14,940
Yeah, yeah. Thank you.

696
01:02:18,580 --> 01:02:25,280
I know this journey is a shitty one, and
I know it's like infinitely hard,

697
01:02:25,420 --> 01:02:27,840
but I promise you...

698
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:53,860
I think she gets fussy when I hold her
because she wants to feed again every

699
01:02:53,860 --> 01:02:55,240
time. She's just fussy. I know.

700
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,240
Okay, okay.

701
01:02:59,180 --> 01:03:04,940
Isn't it weird that I, like, did a TV
show about kind of business scams and

702
01:03:04,940 --> 01:03:07,800
you're sort of, like, in trouble for,
like, a business scam?

703
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,320
I never actually made that connection.

704
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:18,460
But I think it's a pretty different
situation.

705
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:27,040
If you just said that Theranos was a
comedy bit, maybe you could

706
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,360
get off scot-free.

707
01:03:31,860 --> 01:03:32,860
It was real.

708
01:03:34,540 --> 01:03:35,540
Yeah.

709
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:37,620
It was just a joke.

710
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,780
Okay. As you know, I'm literal.

711
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:46,280
No, no, I know. I was just kind of
making a little joke. Maybe it was bad

712
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:47,280
taste.

713
01:03:52,830 --> 01:03:59,550
It's always felt free to me being in the
water. It's like so vast and beautiful

714
01:03:59,550 --> 01:04:01,090
and untamed.

715
01:04:01,870 --> 01:04:03,810
Close your head. It resets you.

716
01:04:08,090 --> 01:04:13,650
You're asking me to go?

717
01:04:13,890 --> 01:04:14,890
Yeah.

718
01:04:23,660 --> 01:04:26,000
Yeah, I'm normally afraid of cold water.

719
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:32,540
I could break the rule, but yeah.

720
01:04:32,780 --> 01:04:33,780
No pressure.

721
01:04:34,620 --> 01:04:37,340
What are you guys going to need to work
on now?

722
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:42,380
We'll start following up with people and
giving people a call.

723
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,320
Okay. About starting to work on, we can
do some prototyping.

724
01:04:48,100 --> 01:04:49,920
I wanted to ask you,

725
01:04:50,860 --> 01:04:55,200
are starting to think about an idea for
a new type of sensor. Thank you so much

726
01:04:55,200 --> 01:05:00,180
for taking the time. There's a real
opportunity to leverage what's next

727
01:05:00,180 --> 01:05:04,620
generation tech in self-driving and
tunable lasers and all these other

728
01:05:04,620 --> 01:05:06,680
dimensions into the field of medicine.

729
01:05:06,940 --> 01:05:12,080
We have a laser. The idea is to be able
to directly measure like analytes in a

730
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:13,080
sample.

731
01:05:20,330 --> 01:05:23,710
we think there's enough off-the-shelf
components like in existing research

732
01:05:23,710 --> 01:05:29,390
institute labs that we could go there
and run some samples yeah absolutely and

733
01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:33,150
the idea is like we get our hands on one
determine how good the data is and then

734
01:05:33,150 --> 01:05:37,650
our process would be how do we
miniaturize and cost cut which liz's

735
01:05:37,650 --> 01:05:41,270
experience in building theranos i think
is so relevant whatever the limitations

736
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:46,250
and the optics are going to be i think
can be potentially compensated for in

737
01:05:46,250 --> 01:05:51,170
part through the data set and through
the algorithm I think you would be able

738
01:05:51,170 --> 01:05:56,450
to come up with some of the best
algorithms that we could make to do this

739
01:05:56,450 --> 01:05:57,450
right.

740
01:05:59,210 --> 01:06:04,310
Yeah, just like look at it and see like
how, you know, an expert virologist,

741
01:06:04,310 --> 01:06:09,930
like what can they tell? If you can hit
a dollar a test in low income, like low

742
01:06:09,930 --> 01:06:14,450
resource settings where there's no
testing infrastructure, you can change

743
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:18,860
things. I think the bigger question is,
can you get the test that because of the

744
01:06:18,860 --> 01:06:21,820
compute required to run it, you know,
how many cycles you're going to need.

745
01:06:21,940 --> 01:06:25,600
Totally, totally agree with that. Yeah,
so I think that's probably the best way.

746
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:28,640
This is going to be a classic moment for
the fail path.

747
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:34,540
From wherever I am, I'm going to
continue to work on inventing, like even

748
01:06:34,540 --> 01:06:38,260
if it's inventing from a cage, I have to
do it. The powers that be might not be

749
01:06:38,260 --> 01:06:41,720
too happy to see this come about. Wow,
this is really cool.

750
01:06:42,370 --> 01:06:46,490
Yeah, he said that he's really inspired
that we're still trying to see this

751
01:06:46,490 --> 01:06:49,110
through. He thinks it's amazing and he
wants to help raise money.

752
01:06:51,890 --> 01:06:53,610
I feel so energized after that.

753
01:06:54,450 --> 01:06:55,450
Yeah? Yeah.

754
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:56,910
Why?

755
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:59,770
Because it's like what I feel like I was
born to do.

756
01:07:00,550 --> 01:07:05,190
What I'm thinking is, is as I work on my
ideas, I'll just lay them out in letters

757
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:08,590
and write to you with ideas and drawings
and...

758
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:15,230
diagrams. We can do like a once a week
patent session with Tim and the team,

759
01:07:15,290 --> 01:07:16,290
like with a patent lawyer.

760
01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:18,630
So we can take those ideas and then we
can file them.

761
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:23,030
Yes. I mean, at a high level, like the
tangible goal is how do we go from idea

762
01:07:23,030 --> 01:07:26,590
to working prototype in under 365 days?

763
01:07:26,910 --> 01:07:30,670
I totally agree with that. I mean, I
think giving bottom up on the milestones

764
01:07:30,670 --> 01:07:35,210
that we've built and then also having
goals with this on the research side.

765
01:07:37,260 --> 01:07:39,600
It's alluring to be like, oh, you know,
it's going to be this and that.

766
01:07:40,540 --> 01:07:42,240
And I think near-term goals is...

767
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:12,280
I think the opportunity is super simple
to illustrate to people who are watching

768
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,600
that you

769
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:20,260
are constantly present.

770
01:08:21,340 --> 01:08:26,640
And I think visually representing that
in some way is really important for the

771
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,000
kids. Like illustrating, reading a book
or something.

772
01:08:37,210 --> 01:08:39,390
So this one over here is just face.

773
01:08:40,010 --> 01:08:43,850
So kind of chest up. And it's going to
do two things. So it's going to capture

774
01:08:43,850 --> 01:08:48,410
a three-dimensional image of her face.
And then it's also going to overlay the

775
01:08:48,410 --> 01:08:51,569
photos on top of that to capture the
color. Right. So we're going to do a

776
01:08:51,569 --> 01:08:56,170
neutral of you, just like you are now.
And then after we do that one neutral,

777
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:59,689
we're going to come back. You're going
to put your hair back and put a bald cap

778
01:08:59,689 --> 01:09:00,488
on you.

779
01:09:00,490 --> 01:09:03,149
And then I'm going to put just several
markers on your face.

780
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:07,300
washable kind of thing that I use for
doing facial markers.

781
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:12,260
And that's for stitching all these
expressions together inside of a

782
01:09:12,260 --> 01:09:17,760
software. So I have 220 cameras in this
room for the whole body. I have 70 in

783
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,020
here that generates a high resolution
piece of geometry.

784
01:09:21,340 --> 01:09:27,359
And they use these expressions to stitch
together you later through a hologram or

785
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:28,479
a game or a video.

786
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,760
Do you guys have any questions or
anything?

787
01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:42,000
I have a weird history with being on the
camera because I wasn't on the camera

788
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,380
for a long time. And then I had all
these people telling me to go get my

789
01:09:45,380 --> 01:09:51,180
picture taken and do all these pieces.
And it ended up hurting us so much. The

790
01:09:51,180 --> 01:09:56,260
last thing this ever would have done was
do this, right? But now that is the

791
01:09:56,260 --> 01:09:59,660
thing that she's very known for because
some photographers have posed like this.

792
01:10:00,340 --> 01:10:02,400
You're talking about the famous photo,
right?

793
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:04,920
Yeah.

794
01:10:06,380 --> 01:10:11,260
I mean, you know this media narrative
about me is that, like, somehow I wanted

795
01:10:11,260 --> 01:10:15,540
to be in the media or wanted to be in
all these stories, and I had all these

796
01:10:15,540 --> 01:10:20,740
people telling me to go do those stories
to help our company.

797
01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:23,100
Anyway,

798
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:28,180
now I'm just, like, wanting to make sure
that we use it in the right way, and

799
01:10:28,180 --> 01:10:29,340
that's the right thing to do.

800
01:10:36,020 --> 01:10:40,920
Three and then go ahead up ahead. Yep.
That's good. We're gonna do two of these

801
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:47,760
one Two and then our other pose was this
yep one

802
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:53,640
Two and three and now come up. I mean
she'd also hold her phone

803
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,260
Let's get one with you texting.

804
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,960
I don't think texting. No? She's not
going to text.

805
01:11:15,340 --> 01:11:17,860
Okay. I think that's good. Yeah. All
right. I got it.

806
01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:22,880
Let's do a happy. Let's do a smile.
Happy.

807
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:24,380
Yeah. Good.

808
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,040
And then, okay,

809
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,280
this is jaw open. Eyes closed.

810
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:31,980
Open wide. Like, ah.

811
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:35,700
Okay. Open your eyes. Like, ah.

812
01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:38,720
Like an open jaw.

813
01:11:46,590 --> 01:11:47,590
Hey, here it comes.

814
01:11:50,850 --> 01:11:51,850
Watch for it, Isaac.

815
01:12:00,010 --> 01:12:01,970
Oh, there it is. There it was, right?
Yeah.

816
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:15,770
You know, there's so much going on, but
in small, I'm perfectly happy.

817
01:12:53,950 --> 01:13:00,950
why would i deceive you there's no
there's no reason for me to do that

818
01:13:00,950 --> 01:13:08,770
it's

819
01:13:08,770 --> 01:13:14,130
weird the thing that's throwing you the
most is how inviting you are and you're

820
01:13:14,130 --> 01:13:17,450
giving me so much access and you're
letting me listen to you all day long

821
01:13:17,450 --> 01:13:19,890
and you're doing this thing again

822
01:13:20,959 --> 01:13:24,540
You're continuing with Theranos. You're
building it again.

823
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:31,400
It's like everything here points to
someone with nothing to hide.

824
01:13:33,940 --> 01:13:35,760
It's because I don't have anything to
hide.

825
01:13:38,460 --> 01:13:44,900
I'm building the idea again. It's not
Theranos, but it's the invention, the

826
01:13:44,900 --> 01:13:45,960
technology, the idea.

827
01:13:50,380 --> 01:13:56,360
Right now, the only thing I really have
to go off of is you. Because ultimately,

828
01:13:56,780 --> 01:14:02,120
if it's about what you meant by what you
said, you're the only person that can

829
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:02,898
answer that.

830
01:14:02,900 --> 01:14:03,900
I know. I know.

831
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,720
I mean, hopefully I'm showing that with
my actions.

832
01:14:06,980 --> 01:14:12,380
I'm not just telling you there's a
truth. I'm living by that belief.

833
01:14:13,340 --> 01:14:17,100
But you're smart. You're smart, right?

834
01:14:19,180 --> 01:14:21,680
I don't know about that. You're very
smart. Come on, right?

835
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,000
I mean, that's what we're fighting.
That's why I'm not, that's why I'm

836
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:26,000
fighting.

837
01:14:26,460 --> 01:14:27,460
Otherwise,

838
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:32,220
I would settle and have more time with
my baby, which is what I want more than

839
01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:33,220
anything in the world.

840
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:43,320
I feel like this is a really nice place.

841
01:15:44,900 --> 01:15:46,140
Do you know how green it is?

842
01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:49,660
Immediately, it feels different.

843
01:15:51,740 --> 01:15:56,100
I look forward to looking at houses,
finding a place that's safe and secure

844
01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:57,100
for items and walls.

845
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,180
Yeah, maybe we stay.

846
01:16:03,820 --> 01:16:05,720
We do have like a kind of a frontier.

847
01:16:32,780 --> 01:16:38,020
I know this is your final couple hours
together. I don't know if you...

848
01:16:38,020 --> 01:16:44,900
We're all here, but if you want to have
a moment, I'm happy to step out and

849
01:16:44,900 --> 01:16:49,000
you guys can have some time. But if not,
that's okay.

850
01:16:49,420 --> 01:16:52,020
We do need to take a shower because we
didn't shower this morning.

851
01:16:53,660 --> 01:16:57,640
Just to give you the option, because
you're going to be gone for a very long

852
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,260
time. You won't be able to...

853
01:17:00,170 --> 01:17:05,350
I have sex, so I'm happy to just leave.
I can go in my car if you want some

854
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:09,690
time, just the two of you. I'm happy to
pull the cameras out and go away.

855
01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:06,690
And there was this huge fight over
Elizabeth's patent during COVID, you

856
01:18:06,690 --> 01:18:09,410
know, when she was already not even
associated with a company where people

857
01:18:09,410 --> 01:18:11,210
were arguing over getting their hands on
it.

858
01:18:11,610 --> 01:18:16,910
But none of that is picked up on because
it's all very frothy right now. You

859
01:18:16,910 --> 01:18:20,990
know, people are making a fortune, you
know, off of Elizabeth's story, the

860
01:18:20,990 --> 01:18:23,150
negative side of her story, not the
positive side.

861
01:18:23,530 --> 01:18:26,570
But you watch. I mean, I'll be dead when
this all happens.

862
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:27,790
But you watch.

863
01:18:28,110 --> 01:18:32,430
A few decades from now, the whole story
is going to be coming out about my

864
01:18:32,430 --> 01:18:33,430
daughter, our daughter.

865
01:18:33,630 --> 01:18:34,630
Oh, hey.

866
01:18:35,530 --> 01:18:36,530
How was it?

867
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:39,390
Good?

868
01:18:42,410 --> 01:18:46,770
Okay, so we're going to print this, and
then to head out, we're going to give

869
01:18:46,770 --> 01:18:50,370
you something to eat. Maybe a smoothie.

870
01:18:52,450 --> 01:18:55,790
I'm going to put these shoes on.

871
01:19:01,290 --> 01:19:05,390
Liz, I got you a little card and a
thing.

872
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,880
kind of like a bit of a gag gift but i
didn't know your parents would be here

873
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:30,260
or whatever well i don't know don't get
offended it's just kind of like a joke

874
01:19:30,260 --> 01:19:36,440
it was like uh you know like hair dying
glasses in case she wants to like flee

875
01:19:36,440 --> 01:19:43,100
to another country last minute just a
joke sometimes i joke with her too

876
01:19:43,100 --> 01:19:46,880
but anyways maybe not appropriate for
the moment

877
01:19:51,180 --> 01:19:52,180
All right.

878
01:19:52,340 --> 01:19:54,820
I'll just send you the contact list.
Thank you so much.

879
01:19:55,100 --> 01:19:56,100
So we got that.

880
01:19:58,740 --> 01:20:00,700
Have milk for Ivy in the fridge.

881
01:20:01,020 --> 01:20:02,020
Okay.

882
01:20:03,500 --> 01:20:04,500
Bring it to her.

883
01:20:19,150 --> 01:20:21,170
Don't take my backpack in the backseat
with me.

884
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:49,140
You got this.

885
01:24:14,510 --> 01:24:17,770
Like, we don't know exactly where
there's going to be roadblocks. But

886
01:24:17,770 --> 01:24:20,710
where there are roadblocks, Liz will
come up with solutions to those

887
01:24:20,710 --> 01:24:22,390
roadblocks, which will come up with new
ideas.

888
01:24:22,630 --> 01:24:28,410
So in a year, I think I'd like to have a
working prototype, a team of people

889
01:24:28,410 --> 01:24:31,970
assembled, and then I'd like to start
developing the first tests.

890
01:24:32,710 --> 01:24:34,070
Hmm. Yeah.

891
01:24:34,590 --> 01:24:39,870
I tried getting a hold of that New York
Times reporter to see if she had that

892
01:24:39,870 --> 01:24:40,870
quote.

893
01:24:48,780 --> 01:24:49,920
Can you send them to me?

894
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,780
No. I haven't checked the whole thing
for every year.

895
01:24:54,820 --> 01:24:55,820
Right.

896
01:24:56,040 --> 01:25:00,200
Well... So a working prototype within a
year, you say?

897
01:25:00,620 --> 01:25:01,620
Yeah, that's the goal.

898
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,740
Okay. That's the goal.

899
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,000
I guess.

900
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:07,960
Give me a call when it's done.

901
01:25:47,410 --> 01:25:50,650
We use lasers.

902
01:26:16,420 --> 01:26:20,480
There have been developments over the
course of the last handful of years that

903
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:23,300
the approach that we are taking and the
way in which we are solving the problem

904
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:25,320
is uniquely possible today.

905
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,000
Artificial intelligence allows you to do
that.

906
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:33,000
And I think a lot of people don't yet
know that that's possible. And the

907
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:37,240
reason why we know this is because Joe
really, not me, has been at the

908
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:41,860
forefront of the most innovative
technology in the world.

909
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,700
for these subcomponents and how they're
used. We have a technology where we can

910
01:26:45,700 --> 01:26:52,280
look at a specific molecule and start
with extremely high resolution, tell you

911
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:56,220
what's different about its fingerprint
today than it was last week.

912
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:00,960
I mean, that changes everything in the
medical universe.

913
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,300
The purple boxes here are lasers.

914
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:08,340
So those lasers can be 10,000 different
wavelengths of light each. You send

915
01:27:08,340 --> 01:27:13,040
light through a sample, blood or urine
or saliva, That light changes wavelength

916
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:17,300
depending on what's inside of it. And
once we catch that light, we then put it

917
01:27:17,300 --> 01:27:19,960
into our computer to interpret the
results.

918
01:27:20,300 --> 01:27:22,000
Is this the new device?

919
01:27:22,440 --> 01:27:26,360
These components are part of the device.

920
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:30,980
All of these will be shrunk down into
something about half the size of a

921
01:27:30,980 --> 01:27:35,300
Kleenex box. So you can test for disease
with it. But the accuracy is around 96,

922
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:40,460
97%. Is it like harder to make decisions
together now?

923
01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:47,940
you and liz i think there's just so much
trust that most things i

924
01:27:47,940 --> 01:27:53,140
don't really consult her on like i know
what she'd want i mean i don't know

925
01:27:53,140 --> 01:27:55,540
anybody else that has a relationship as
close as we have

926
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:17,040
Into the magma flow.

927
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:23,500
How long does it take to take audio
clips and then like clone her voice?

928
01:28:24,900 --> 01:28:30,280
We can get an initial version of it up
and running in like 20 or 30 minutes.

929
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,260
Oh, really? Okay. Wow.

930
01:28:40,220 --> 01:28:44,140
It's so crazy because when this was
taken...

931
01:28:44,900 --> 01:28:48,120
She was... She had given birth, like, a
month before.

932
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:50,860
She looks so different now.

933
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:54,580
Like, she looks so much healthier.

934
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:57,320
Now?

935
01:28:57,980 --> 01:28:58,980
Yeah.

936
01:28:59,660 --> 01:29:01,320
She doesn't look healthy here?

937
01:29:01,740 --> 01:29:04,640
No, it's not that she doesn't look
healthy. I don't mean healthy. That's

938
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,200
the wrong way to describe it. She looks
so much more fit.

939
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:10,700
Like, she's got abs.

940
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:15,760
Healthy is the wrong way to describe it.

941
01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:23,700
That's what this is all about. It's
being able to look at a person's body

942
01:29:23,700 --> 01:29:27,160
chemistry at a molecular level.

943
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:34,260
How do you feel about being a part of
carrying on the Theranos

944
01:29:34,260 --> 01:29:40,080
mission? If you're going to solve the
problem, it happens with multiple

945
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:41,080
failures.

946
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:45,360
Theranos is one failure on a path, and
there will be more.

947
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:47,420
What do you feel like they did wrong?

948
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,280
Oh, they used the wrong technology.

949
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,000
And it was a step along the way, and
there are people doing it right now. I

950
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:59,340
appreciate the line of questioning, but
I think that the truth is Joe wasn't

951
01:29:59,340 --> 01:30:03,740
there. Well, I can figure out the
question to ask.

952
01:30:04,500 --> 01:30:05,500
Is that okay?

953
01:30:10,270 --> 01:30:16,030
I look at the Theranos endeavor as a
wealth of information.

954
01:30:17,390 --> 01:30:20,250
Some things what to do and some things
what not to do.

955
01:30:20,670 --> 01:30:25,870
And as far as how it imploded, you know,
the claims that they made, I mean, let

956
01:30:25,870 --> 01:30:26,870
me just put it this way.

957
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:33,650
Entrepreneurs, even the best of them,
you know, the Elon Musk, make claims

958
01:30:33,650 --> 01:30:38,310
that are not true at any given point in
time, right? We're going to have...

959
01:30:38,650 --> 01:30:44,750
a self-driving car, and people paid
money for it. So the point of...

960
01:30:44,750 --> 01:30:48,050
What's going on? You guys can turn off
the cameras. Thank you.

961
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:49,470
What's the issue?

962
01:30:49,950 --> 01:30:53,090
If you'd like to talk about it, turn off
the cameras. I want to know the issue.

963
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:56,250
I'm asking you to turn off the cameras.
Bill, you can't just walk in in the

964
01:30:56,250 --> 01:30:59,090
middle of an interview and turn off the
cameras whenever you want. You're not

965
01:30:59,090 --> 01:31:02,030
the director of this. I'm not the
director. I'm not trying to be the

966
01:31:02,030 --> 01:31:05,330
director. So I'm asking you to turn off
the cameras. I'm not going to engage

967
01:31:05,330 --> 01:31:06,039
with you.

968
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:08,700
So can you tell me? I have no idea what
you're talking about right now. I can

969
01:31:08,700 --> 01:31:10,640
tell you when the cameras are off, but
I'm not talking to you. Okay, sorry,

970
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:13,960
sorry, Joe. Because I've asked you now
ten times. Okay, turn off the cameras.

971
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:33,380
I submitted an application to visit Liz
in prison with the...

972
01:31:34,190 --> 01:31:36,350
For it to get the cameras in there.

973
01:31:36,670 --> 01:31:38,610
Oh, it's never gonna happen.

974
01:31:39,330 --> 01:31:40,330
Why?

975
01:31:43,530 --> 01:31:50,350
Because I know more about what they are
allowed

976
01:31:50,350 --> 01:31:53,710
to do. You think there's no chance it's
gonna happen?

977
01:31:55,010 --> 01:31:57,150
Chances below negative.

978
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,800
And I love how we are repeating our
story about the woman who picked

979
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:08,920
blueberries and changed the world with
her gesture of kindness that went on

980
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:10,320
from one person to the next.

981
01:32:10,660 --> 01:32:15,140
I really meant it when we were talking
about discovering all the most profound

982
01:32:15,140 --> 01:32:19,500
insights from our study and discoveries
in nature on Dr. Yes.

983
01:32:20,060 --> 01:32:22,600
So many incredible inventions are to be
had.

984
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,900
Tomorrow we will work on our design
again together.

985
01:32:26,220 --> 01:32:28,580
I am literally living for it.

986
01:32:28,970 --> 01:32:34,910
um i think liz would tell you if she was
here let me speak for her for a moment

987
01:32:34,910 --> 01:32:41,730
is the thing that she thinks she will be
remembered for

988
01:32:41,730 --> 01:32:48,550
is for our relationship like what she
says is that every action she

989
01:32:48,550 --> 01:32:53,390
takes for as long as she lives will be
building monuments of love

990
01:33:00,270 --> 01:33:00,909
For you?

991
01:33:00,910 --> 01:33:02,790
Yeah. That's what she would say.

992
01:33:04,510 --> 01:33:11,150
Liz told me you can get pretty heated
sometimes, which she didn't

993
01:33:11,150 --> 01:33:12,570
elaborate, really.

994
01:33:12,890 --> 01:33:15,170
Yeah. So what did she mean?

995
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:18,490
I mean, you saw it today. I got really
frustrated. I'm really protective.

996
01:33:21,090 --> 01:33:25,410
Can I ask, what are your arguments like
with her when you guys fight?

997
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,400
We've never really had a significant
argument.

998
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:35,100
I know that sounds crazy, but we really
don't argue.

999
01:33:35,940 --> 01:33:37,980
You don't argue ever?

1000
01:33:38,540 --> 01:33:39,540
No.

1001
01:33:41,820 --> 01:33:45,820
Are you able to sense when she's
frustrated with you?

1002
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:52,580
I don't think she really gets frustrated
with me. I know it sounds crazy.

1003
01:33:54,340 --> 01:33:55,740
Have you ever asked her?

1004
01:33:57,870 --> 01:34:03,530
i mean she tells me just about like
we're we tell each other just about

1005
01:34:03,530 --> 01:34:08,670
everything that we're thinking so you're
saying you can sense that she would tell

1006
01:34:08,670 --> 01:34:14,970
you if she was frustrated with you yeah
even without you asking do

1007
01:34:14,970 --> 01:34:21,670
you feel like she has a track record of

1008
01:34:21,670 --> 01:34:24,210
standing up for herself in relationships

1009
01:34:53,420 --> 01:34:57,020
What are these billboards that are all
over L.A.? Are these yours?

1010
01:34:57,740 --> 01:34:59,080
I have nothing to do with it.

1011
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:01,660
I have literally nothing to do with it.

1012
01:35:02,820 --> 01:35:04,040
What are they?

1013
01:35:05,220 --> 01:35:08,860
Do you know? I don't know because I
haven't asked, but my bet is in L.A.

1014
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:13,020
He's probably spent $350,000 in
billboards, probably another $250,000 to

1015
01:35:13,020 --> 01:35:16,280
$300,000 in Florida. Who's he had two
billboards in Times Square?

1016
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,040
So you know this guy?

1017
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:25,140
He's the guy who just hates seeing
people who are wrongfully accused of

1018
01:35:25,140 --> 01:35:29,500
things. He also happens to run one of
the largest diagnostics labs in the

1019
01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:31,680
country, and he feels like she's
innocent.

1020
01:35:34,060 --> 01:35:35,760
How do you feel about that?

1021
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:40,040
Him using her face like that to promote
his stuff?

1022
01:35:40,340 --> 01:35:45,520
Look, I really admire his conviction and
effort to try and help us.

1023
01:35:46,350 --> 01:35:50,410
But he's using that famous photo of her,
right? Oh, man. You know what? He's a

1024
01:35:50,410 --> 01:35:52,570
very nice guy. The one that makes her
really upset.

1025
01:35:52,910 --> 01:35:56,070
No, his intentions are, like, here. He
really wants to help Liz.

1026
01:35:56,370 --> 01:36:01,570
In 2007, when I went to pharmaceuticals
and introduced my machine, and they

1027
01:36:01,570 --> 01:36:07,190
started testing it on patients, no one
could understand what I was trying to

1028
01:36:07,190 --> 01:36:08,190
show.

1029
01:36:08,230 --> 01:36:09,710
You took five.

1030
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:11,790
Sir, how'd it go now?

1031
01:36:13,890 --> 01:36:15,410
Listen, you took five.

1032
01:36:42,020 --> 01:36:43,820
Hey bud, I gotta run.

1033
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:47,660
But we're going to get her out soon,
man. I just feel like the tide is

1034
01:36:47,660 --> 01:36:48,660
turning.

1035
01:36:49,220 --> 01:36:50,620
Yeah, I'll give you a ride.

1036
01:36:51,180 --> 01:36:56,060
Is that the billboard guy you were
talking to?

1037
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:58,200
Yes, that was Ryan.

1038
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:00,720
Do you have plans for more of those
billboards?

1039
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:03,700
Yeah, he cares a lot about Liz, so he
checks in.

1040
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:05,800
He flew out here last weekend.

1041
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:09,180
Is she okay with him using her image
like that?

1042
01:37:09,620 --> 01:37:11,160
How many people have used her image?

1043
01:37:11,890 --> 01:37:12,890
Without her consent.

1044
01:37:13,110 --> 01:37:16,790
That's the nature of being a public
figure. But it really upset her. Like,

1045
01:37:16,810 --> 01:37:19,150
the last time she talked about that
photo, she was, like, crying.

1046
01:37:19,690 --> 01:37:20,690
Which photo?

1047
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:23,490
The famous photo. No, she doesn't care
about that photo.

1048
01:37:24,330 --> 01:37:27,570
Well, she said that, like, people used
it not how she wanted it, and it hurt

1049
01:37:27,570 --> 01:37:28,570
her.

1050
01:37:29,330 --> 01:37:30,490
I haven't heard her say that.

1051
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:34,730
You don't remember that? We were all
there. I don't know what you're talking

1052
01:37:34,730 --> 01:37:35,730
about.

1053
01:37:35,870 --> 01:37:38,610
But what I can tell you is his intention
is really pure.

1054
01:37:38,810 --> 01:37:40,730
He cares a lot about Liz. His whole
family does.

1055
01:37:41,020 --> 01:37:44,440
I mean, I watched some of his videos.
The guy, he, like, sort of seems like a

1056
01:37:44,440 --> 01:37:46,880
coup. Do you think that association's
good for her?

1057
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:49,460
Probably not, no. Okay, so then why'd
you do it?

1058
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,940
Yeah, his delivery's different than mine
would be, or Liz's. He hired a blonde

1059
01:37:52,940 --> 01:37:57,860
woman to pretend to be Liz at a strip
club and then came in and grabbed her

1060
01:37:57,860 --> 01:37:59,860
neck and then pretended to blow himself
up.

1061
01:38:00,060 --> 01:38:00,959
At 11.

1062
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:01,719
At what?

1063
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:02,699
I think it was 11.

1064
01:38:02,700 --> 01:38:03,700
The strip club?

1065
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:04,800
Well, it's a club.

1066
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,640
That wasn't a strip club, but it's like
a music club in Miami.

1067
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,080
so they can actually do whatever they
want. They're like, look, the guideline

1068
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:22,760
says I should do this, but I'm giving
you probation.

1069
01:38:23,140 --> 01:38:24,380
I'm giving you 18 months.

1070
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:29,520
Once I looked it up, I heard that there
is a show about it.

1071
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:31,480
The Hulu show.

1072
01:38:32,380 --> 01:38:33,880
So I started to try to watch that.

1073
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:38,240
And I didn't get far, but I just know
Theranos.

1074
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:41,360
What was it?

1075
01:38:41,420 --> 01:38:42,440
Therapy and Diagnosis?

1076
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:44,320
Yeah.

1077
01:38:46,620 --> 01:38:53,520
you know she goes to Stanford drops out
second year to create this device right

1078
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:58,940
that could no their focus was about all
the chemistry it was about

1079
01:38:58,940 --> 01:39:04,640
uh the test itself so everybody focuses
on the box but the box like because

1080
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:09,340
that's what every time she goes to like
them different investors they say

1081
01:39:09,340 --> 01:39:14,500
where's working prototype right and they
couldn't get it to them

1082
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:18,160
So that was like the whole craziness.

1083
01:39:23,020 --> 01:39:25,080
Yeah, man, it's tough.

1084
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,660
I can't imagine what you're going
through, to be honest.

1085
01:39:33,420 --> 01:39:34,420
Yeah,

1086
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:40,520
so we've started documenting Liz's life.

1087
01:39:47,460 --> 01:39:50,300
starting to capture these moments
because what we're going through right

1088
01:39:50,300 --> 01:39:56,540
now, well, I mean, at its simplest
level, I feel like the reason why Liz

1089
01:39:56,540 --> 01:39:58,960
has been termed a mis-sponsor is because
nobody knows who she is.

1090
01:40:20,509 --> 01:40:22,550
Can you say the company name?

1091
01:40:22,830 --> 01:40:25,050
Theranos. No, Theranos.

1092
01:40:25,850 --> 01:40:28,670
It's a mix between therapy and
diagnosis.

1093
01:40:29,170 --> 01:40:30,590
Why not Theranos?

1094
01:40:31,850 --> 01:40:33,910
Because the name is Theranos.

1095
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:36,030
Actually, can we go to that part?

1096
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:14,060
What was Sonny's role at Theranos?

1097
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,940
He was the president.

1098
01:41:18,590 --> 01:41:21,830
and chief operating officer of the
company and the vice chairman of the

1099
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:23,630
board. And what was your role?

1100
01:41:23,970 --> 01:41:26,930
I was the CEO and the chairman of the
board.

1101
01:41:28,450 --> 01:41:35,210
I believed in him, but I know that I
didn't

1102
01:41:35,210 --> 01:41:41,490
question him in the way that I otherwise
would have had that relationship not

1103
01:41:41,490 --> 01:41:42,490
been in place.

1104
01:41:53,090 --> 01:41:54,110
What? What?

1105
01:41:55,170 --> 01:41:56,750
How do you feel? How do you feel?

1106
01:41:59,070 --> 01:42:00,070
It's heartbreaking.

1107
01:42:00,230 --> 01:42:03,030
It's heartbreaking. The whole thing is
very, very

1108
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:07,330
wild.

1109
01:42:11,970 --> 01:42:17,790
When you, like, played her, what were
you, like, how did you base your

1110
01:42:17,790 --> 01:42:20,270
performance of her? Like, what was that
based on?

1111
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:21,550
Well.

1112
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:28,920
I had the 10 to 12 hours of deposition
tapes, which is just her sitting there.

1113
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:34,640
And then I watched every interview she's
ever done, but I know that it was told

1114
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:37,160
to me from the beginning, we are not
allowed to talk to her. She is not

1115
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:38,160
allowed to talk to us.

1116
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:39,500
How did that feel to you?

1117
01:42:40,060 --> 01:42:41,440
Good. Good.

1118
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:45,840
Because I was like, oh, good, we have
parameters here. We're working in

1119
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:48,200
fiction land.

1120
01:42:49,180 --> 01:42:50,840
You saw the show as fiction.

1121
01:42:53,129 --> 01:42:57,070
ridiculous amounts of research and most
of the things we were allowed to every

1122
01:42:57,070 --> 01:43:00,790
time we veered off path a little bit it
was because it was allowed because it's

1123
01:43:00,790 --> 01:43:07,530
you know tv and so that washing down was
like weird i

1124
01:43:07,530 --> 01:43:13,870
don't know she really could just be

1125
01:43:13,870 --> 01:43:19,510
crazy

1126
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:23,300
And she said she didn't want to be
famous, she didn't want to be in

1127
01:43:23,300 --> 01:43:29,940
pictures, but, like... But

1128
01:43:29,940 --> 01:43:34,880
that's not the kind of person that could
create what she created.

1129
01:43:35,260 --> 01:43:36,560
What? What kind of person?

1130
01:43:37,480 --> 01:43:41,980
I think it takes somebody... I think it
takes something else.

1131
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:47,220
Yeah. And I'm sorry, but she did the
things that were frustrating.

1132
01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:49,840
There were a lot of things that were
frustrating, and one of them being that,

1133
01:43:49,860 --> 01:43:53,890
like... sunny is the bad guy and she was
just a victim of sunny and now she's

1134
01:43:53,890 --> 01:44:00,890
going to prison it's like it's that's
that's not i mean is that possible

1135
01:44:00,890 --> 01:44:05,950
that sunny just is the reason sunny was
the guy lying to people

1136
01:44:05,950 --> 01:44:12,350
i mean

1137
01:44:12,350 --> 01:44:18,410
the challenge i'm having with all of
this is she was taken away and went in

1138
01:44:18,410 --> 01:44:23,340
and now it's billy just saying i know
what's going on with her and he even

1139
01:44:23,340 --> 01:44:27,500
said to me like i don't even have to
talk to her to know what she wants i

1140
01:44:27,500 --> 01:44:31,100
wish there was a way you could find out
some real shit on billy bring it to her

1141
01:44:31,100 --> 01:44:36,020
find what break them up you want them to
break up no find some shit on billy yeah

1142
01:44:36,020 --> 01:44:42,960
of course i do no woman wants to see
another woman go be

1143
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:43,960
controlled by that

1144
01:44:50,540 --> 01:44:55,480
not that i would do this but i i
fantasized for a minute like playing her

1145
01:44:55,480 --> 01:45:02,460
post to trial when did you fantasize
when i'm just when

1146
01:45:02,460 --> 01:45:09,380
i was watching oh when you're watching
what scene it was when you

1147
01:45:09,380 --> 01:45:10,860
were sitting there on the couch with her

1148
01:45:29,250 --> 01:45:32,090
Yeah. I feel like a little haunted.

1149
01:45:34,650 --> 01:45:39,630
Because I have to just sit with the
discomfort of A, not knowing, and B, not

1150
01:45:39,630 --> 01:45:43,130
knowing how I feel about it, and C,
being able to do nothing about it, and

1151
01:45:43,130 --> 01:45:49,990
D, just feeling shitty about myself and
my own feelings about

1152
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:51,320
it. Lots of things.

1153
01:45:52,460 --> 01:45:55,440
She's not just an idea in my head. This
should actually happen.

1154
01:46:01,480 --> 01:46:02,720
Oh my god.

1155
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:09,840
They were like renting it when we shot.

1156
01:46:14,020 --> 01:46:15,020
It's really dusty.

1157
01:46:16,940 --> 01:46:18,060
Were these vitamins here?

1158
01:46:18,340 --> 01:46:19,980
I don't remember that. Okay.

1159
01:46:20,350 --> 01:46:25,270
This coffee machine for sure, this
toaster, this obviously, fridge,

1160
01:46:25,450 --> 01:46:26,450
microwave.

1161
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:17,240
Was this here?

1162
01:47:18,540 --> 01:47:24,800
I think she used that. They had that
here.

1163
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:26,940
She didn't really drink coffee.

1164
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:32,340
Do you miss her?

1165
01:47:36,980 --> 01:47:40,740
Miss? I mean... It must be weird.

1166
01:47:47,950 --> 01:47:49,210
I know, this is a weird word.

1167
01:47:54,630 --> 01:48:01,230
Can I tell you something or a story
about how this, like, something happened

1168
01:48:01,230 --> 01:48:05,530
here that I still sort of think about?

1169
01:48:08,970 --> 01:48:13,390
It was before we had cameras here. It
sort of...

1170
01:48:15,500 --> 01:48:18,200
So it relates to how this whole project
came about.

1171
01:48:20,340 --> 01:48:21,520
Like when you first met?

1172
01:48:21,940 --> 01:48:22,940
Yeah.

1173
01:48:24,100 --> 01:48:29,100
Basically, I went down to meet her and
Billy for the first time in San Diego

1174
01:48:29,100 --> 01:48:34,100
after I heard a rumor through the
grapevine that maybe she was interested

1175
01:48:34,100 --> 01:48:36,180
in having her life documented.

1176
01:48:36,820 --> 01:48:38,040
You sure you don't want any of it?

1177
01:48:38,580 --> 01:48:39,880
I'm all right. Thanks.

1178
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:45,100
I took notes after on everything that
happened, and so this script is sort of

1179
01:48:45,100 --> 01:48:50,860
based on my memory of what happened and
those notes I had.

1180
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:54,180
They showed me a clip of something that
you made on YouTube.

1181
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:57,520
You were at a gas station talking to the
owner.

1182
01:48:58,280 --> 01:49:03,780
Oh, yeah, that was from a comedy show I
used to make called Nathan For You.

1183
01:49:04,260 --> 01:49:08,000
It was pretty clear from the moment I
met her that...

1184
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:13,420
she had no real clue who I was or had
seen anything I had made before.

1185
01:49:14,020 --> 01:49:16,880
And then she asked if you had kids. Do
you have kids?

1186
01:49:17,780 --> 01:49:18,780
No.

1187
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:28,640
Greater what?

1188
01:49:29,380 --> 01:49:30,380
Being a dad.

1189
01:49:32,340 --> 01:49:34,860
Which was so bizarre.

1190
01:49:35,460 --> 01:49:40,290
I don't know. It was weird because When
she said that, it actually, like, made

1191
01:49:40,290 --> 01:49:41,690
me feel good for some reason.

1192
01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:43,230
It felt super sincere.

1193
01:49:43,790 --> 01:49:48,750
But because I was feeling that, that
weird mix of this feels so authentic

1194
01:49:48,750 --> 01:49:52,430
with her, but then I don't trust it, it
felt like watching a magician.

1195
01:49:54,590 --> 01:49:56,530
Do you know who David Blaine is, the
magician?

1196
01:49:58,370 --> 01:49:59,370
I do.

1197
01:49:59,450 --> 01:50:00,810
And that just came to your mind?

1198
01:50:01,330 --> 01:50:05,430
Yeah, in the moment. And I wrote, this
is basically verbatim what I told her.

1199
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:11,900
All right, so David Blaine does this
thing where he sticks an ice pick right

1200
01:50:11,900 --> 01:50:13,020
through the palm of his hand.

1201
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:17,260
And the way he presents it, it looks
like a magic trick.

1202
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:21,440
But I actually think he's really
sticking the ice pick through his hand.

1203
01:50:21,660 --> 01:50:25,440
Like I saw in an interview, he said he
dug a tiny hole through his hand, so it

1204
01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:26,720
actually is going through.

1205
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:32,060
But it always just looks like a trick to
people because of how he presents it.

1206
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:38,220
And what I find so interesting about
you, is that in the aftermath of

1207
01:50:38,220 --> 01:50:41,760
everything that's happened with you,
with the reputation you have, no

1208
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:46,240
offense, but I don't think anyone will
ever believe you ever again.

1209
01:50:46,660 --> 01:50:50,460
Like, you can be telling the truth as
much as you want, and just no one's

1210
01:50:50,460 --> 01:50:53,360
going to believe you. So when I said
that to her, I remember her eyes lit up,

1211
01:50:53,500 --> 01:50:55,740
and she was, like, very excited by this
idea.

1212
01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:59,660
And you're not really saying that it's,
like, a good thing.

1213
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,420
No. And she's taking credit.

1214
01:51:02,980 --> 01:51:04,900
Did you hear what Ethan just said?

1215
01:51:05,540 --> 01:51:10,850
No. What did he say? He said, I'm like,
reminding him of David Blaine.

1216
01:51:11,330 --> 01:51:16,650
She sort of paraphrased what I had said.
And then they had this weird look

1217
01:51:16,650 --> 01:51:17,870
between each other.

1218
01:51:18,190 --> 01:51:21,890
Like the two of them shared this knowing
look. And I was like, what?

1219
01:51:22,290 --> 01:51:27,570
Billy said that your mind works in an
interesting way.

1220
01:51:30,010 --> 01:51:31,450
Okay. We...

1221
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:36,980
only want to let people into our lives
who think outside the box.

1222
01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:42,760
And you look at things differently and
you don't give a fuck what people think.

1223
01:51:44,340 --> 01:51:48,100
So after that, things came together
really quickly. We basically went from

1224
01:51:48,100 --> 01:51:52,240
that first meeting to coming down to
shoot in the San Diego house they were

1225
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:53,780
renting within a week.

1226
01:51:54,020 --> 01:51:55,020
Oh my God. Yeah.

1227
01:51:55,700 --> 01:51:59,940
Wow. There was this urgency to get
started with the project because she was

1228
01:51:59,940 --> 01:52:00,940
going to prison soon.

1229
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:06,640
So we began filming with them before she
had signed any appearance release.

1230
01:52:07,340 --> 01:52:08,340
Uh-oh.

1231
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:13,500
But the thing that I can't get out of my
head is something that happened at this

1232
01:52:13,500 --> 01:52:17,500
meeting that Billy said he wanted to
have before they agreed to sign

1233
01:52:17,500 --> 01:52:18,500
anything.

1234
01:52:19,420 --> 01:52:21,900
We come to their friend's house in L.A.

1235
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:28,900
It was me, Lance, the co-director of
this, and two executives

1236
01:52:28,900 --> 01:52:29,900
from A24.

1237
01:52:30,540 --> 01:52:36,580
And we all sat around this table and Liz
started reading the opening chapter to

1238
01:52:36,580 --> 01:52:41,220
this, I guess, a book she was writing.
The first chapter I'm calling Waking Up.

1239
01:52:42,780 --> 01:52:46,180
Love ignites a courage that cannot be
extinguished. The sheets in our bed are

1240
01:52:46,180 --> 01:52:48,180
so soft. I roll over and look at you.

1241
01:52:48,700 --> 01:52:49,700
You are perfect.

1242
01:52:50,020 --> 01:52:51,600
Your arms are wrapped over my heart.

1243
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:53,940
We didn't know what the reason for the
meeting was.

1244
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:58,300
So when she started reading it, we were
like, oh, is there a point to this?

1245
01:52:58,990 --> 01:53:02,950
I wouldn't say to the writer, but every
time I saw the beam falling through our

1246
01:53:02,950 --> 01:53:09,890
windows... So

1247
01:53:09,890 --> 01:53:14,170
you

1248
01:53:14,170 --> 01:53:20,290
guys are all saying how great it is.
Well, we were trying to be polite.

1249
01:53:20,570 --> 01:53:22,950
I didn't know really what to say. For
sure, of course.

1250
01:53:25,210 --> 01:53:27,750
And then you could hear her oldest
child.

1251
01:53:28,250 --> 01:53:33,090
like sort of yelling and playing in
another room yeah so she gets up in that

1252
01:53:33,090 --> 01:53:39,630
moment from the table and goes to see
the kids okay

1253
01:53:39,630 --> 01:53:46,630
so guys i think we need to have a
conversation about the

1254
01:53:46,630 --> 01:53:53,530
terms of our involvement in this project
okay

1255
01:53:53,530 --> 01:53:59,070
uh what do you what do you mean by that
Once she was gone, Billy started talking

1256
01:53:59,070 --> 01:53:59,989
about money.

1257
01:53:59,990 --> 01:54:01,870
I don't know what your vision is for
this project.

1258
01:54:03,010 --> 01:54:05,830
You guys are artists, and that's what
drives you.

1259
01:54:06,270 --> 01:54:10,530
But I do know that there is potential
for this movie to also make a lot of

1260
01:54:10,530 --> 01:54:17,210
money, and I feel

1261
01:54:17,210 --> 01:54:24,030
strongly that if this movie were to make
money, that we

1262
01:54:24,030 --> 01:54:25,970
should be entitled to some of it.

1263
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:32,880
Which is not customary and just kind of
unethical. It's not customary for people

1264
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:37,940
to make a profit off the documentaries
that they're appearing in. I mean, I was

1265
01:54:37,940 --> 01:54:42,040
vocal with them, too. I said, I agree
with Ravi on this completely.

1266
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:43,420
It is not a good idea.

1267
01:54:44,860 --> 01:54:45,799
Why not?

1268
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:47,440
I mean, the optics are terrible.

1269
01:54:47,660 --> 01:54:50,800
If you guys are making money from this
documentary, people are going to

1270
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,380
question your guys' motives for being in
it in the first place.

1271
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:54,900
And also...

1272
01:54:55,290 --> 01:55:00,550
It might give the perception that you
guys have a creative say over what the

1273
01:55:00,550 --> 01:55:05,710
final product is. This is not, it's not
good for the film. No, but I've looked

1274
01:55:05,710 --> 01:55:10,370
into this, and there are many, many
examples of documentary subjects getting

1275
01:55:10,370 --> 01:55:14,190
paid. The Meghan Markle and Prince Harry
documentary on Netflix, I read somewhere

1276
01:55:14,190 --> 01:55:16,090
that they got paid $100 million to make
that.

1277
01:55:16,330 --> 01:55:20,410
That's not a real documentary. I know,
but Lance, I know it's bad, but the fact

1278
01:55:20,410 --> 01:55:22,390
is that they did get paid for that.

1279
01:55:22,730 --> 01:55:23,730
But then it ends.

1280
01:55:24,190 --> 01:55:26,990
It's a non-negotiable. With him eating a
slice of pizza.

1281
01:55:27,690 --> 01:55:32,110
Yeah, I guess the friend had got pizza
for this meeting. So there was like

1282
01:55:32,110 --> 01:55:33,250
several pizzas there.

1283
01:55:34,510 --> 01:55:37,090
Um, like what did you decide?

1284
01:55:38,590 --> 01:55:45,190
Well, at this point, like he had all the
leverage. So A24 felt they had like no

1285
01:55:45,190 --> 01:55:48,110
choice but to give him a portion of the
profits.

1286
01:55:48,410 --> 01:55:49,410
Shut the fuck up.

1287
01:55:50,270 --> 01:55:51,270
Yeah.

1288
01:55:56,910 --> 01:55:57,950
How did that make you feel?

1289
01:55:58,390 --> 01:56:03,370
Well, I was really frustrated because I
felt like the integrity of the project

1290
01:56:03,370 --> 01:56:04,390
might be out the window.

1291
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:10,470
And I actually considered just leaving
the project and saying, well, I can't do

1292
01:56:10,470 --> 01:56:11,470
this.

1293
01:56:13,030 --> 01:56:16,390
But then I also thought there might be
something interesting about the fact

1294
01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:22,310
that we were sort of witnessing how
these guys do business and how she

1295
01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:25,090
operates with her romantic partner in
relationships.

1296
01:56:25,650 --> 01:56:26,650
Yep.

1297
01:56:27,950 --> 01:56:32,790
I assume that even though, like, Liz
wasn't in the room when he started

1298
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:36,350
making demands, he would eventually,
like, obviously tell her about the deal

1299
01:56:36,350 --> 01:56:37,068
he made.

1300
01:56:37,070 --> 01:56:43,110
Yeah. But then days before she headed to
prison, she said something that made me

1301
01:56:43,110 --> 01:56:44,110
reconsider.

1302
01:56:44,650 --> 01:56:48,310
And this is actually something that we
have on camera. So it's really, can I

1303
01:56:48,310 --> 01:56:49,830
show you? Yeah. Okay. Yep.

1304
01:56:52,330 --> 01:56:53,850
This is still in San Diego.

1305
01:56:54,110 --> 01:56:55,110
Yes.

1306
01:56:56,620 --> 01:57:02,680
I think this is the moment in time to
capture this

1307
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:08,080
story before I'm gone. And hopefully the
truth comes out. Because obviously I'm

1308
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:11,680
not making any money or having any
economic interest in this whatsoever.

1309
01:57:12,020 --> 01:57:14,040
So I just think that's the right thing.

1310
01:57:19,260 --> 01:57:20,280
What do you make of that?

1311
01:57:22,300 --> 01:57:25,100
I believe that she has no idea that he
asked.

1312
01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:26,960
For money.

1313
01:57:27,340 --> 01:57:32,180
Unless she's just... I believe her. I
don't know why.

1314
01:57:33,580 --> 01:57:34,580
Like what?

1315
01:57:34,820 --> 01:57:40,760
I think this is the moment in time to
capture

1316
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:46,180
this story before I'm gone. And
hopefully the truth comes out.

1317
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:51,260
Because obviously I'm not making any
money or having any economic interest in

1318
01:57:51,260 --> 01:57:52,139
this whatsoever.

1319
01:57:52,140 --> 01:57:54,480
So I just think that's the right thing.

1320
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:59,800
like when this happened you can see on
my face that i like i honestly didn't

1321
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:05,420
know how to respond i mean there's
obviously a chance that this is all

1322
01:58:05,420 --> 01:58:12,000
complete right there's a theory that
this was a coordinated

1323
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:18,660
event that she intentionally left the
room at a certain point so billy could

1324
01:58:18,660 --> 01:58:21,960
talk about this i think we need to have
a conversation about uh

1325
01:58:24,759 --> 01:58:29,900
And ultimately, it was just all a ruse
or a scheme to keep her hands clean

1326
01:58:29,900 --> 01:58:34,200
while her partner does the dirty work.

1327
01:58:35,100 --> 01:58:38,140
And this is an insight into how she
operates.

1328
01:58:40,940 --> 01:58:41,540
But

1329
01:58:41,540 --> 01:58:48,080
for

1330
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:54,980
some reason, when she is saying this and
the way she says it, i don't know why

1331
01:58:54,980 --> 01:59:00,420
but my first instinct is to believe her
this is the moment in time to

1332
01:59:00,420 --> 01:59:07,420
capture this story before i'm gone and
hopefully the truth comes out

1333
01:59:07,420 --> 01:59:12,100
because obviously i'm not making any
money or having any economic interest in

1334
01:59:12,100 --> 01:59:15,200
this whatsoever so yeah she seems just
like

1335
01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:21,960
here's the thing can she really

1336
01:59:21,960 --> 01:59:27,670
be this out of the loop like when deals
are being made in her name

1337
01:59:27,670 --> 01:59:34,390
this is the woman that created theranos
like i

1338
01:59:34,390 --> 01:59:40,350
don't even know if there's two ways
about it either this is fully sincere

1339
01:59:40,350 --> 01:59:47,050
and she actually has no clue about the
deal philly made or

1340
01:59:47,050 --> 01:59:50,910
she honestly might be

1341
01:59:52,910 --> 01:59:55,270
The most manipulative person that's ever
lived.

1342
01:59:56,710 --> 02:00:02,030
It wouldn't be our fault if we got duped
by her again.

1343
02:00:02,710 --> 02:00:04,190
I don't want to let it happen.

1344
02:00:05,910 --> 02:00:08,110
That's just personal for me. Yeah.

1345
02:00:09,510 --> 02:00:13,390
She has nothing to gain from him
behaving like this. It's crazy.

1346
02:00:13,950 --> 02:00:18,090
Money. Like she said, she's never cared
about money. And she probably still

1347
02:00:18,090 --> 02:00:20,190
doesn't. She probably doesn't know. Do
you believe that?

1348
02:00:21,430 --> 02:00:22,730
She doesn't care about money.

1349
02:00:24,490 --> 02:00:27,970
I think she cares about money. I think
she tries to make a point that it's not

1350
02:00:27,970 --> 02:00:28,970
about the money.

1351
02:00:29,030 --> 02:00:30,030
Don't get taken in.

1352
02:00:30,290 --> 02:00:33,430
Don't get lured. Don't let her get in
your head.

1353
02:00:33,730 --> 02:00:36,930
She still looks kind of innocent.

1354
02:00:37,610 --> 02:00:44,050
If he would be interested and, you know,
if he's

1355
02:00:44,050 --> 02:00:49,650
available, I don't know, I think I could
probably disarm him and then...

1356
02:00:49,880 --> 02:00:52,340
Ask him the questions that were there to
ask him.

1357
02:00:53,940 --> 02:00:57,640
Well, what did you get from him that I
couldn't? I just feel like people trust

1358
02:00:57,640 --> 02:01:00,260
me. People talk to me.

1359
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:02,320
They sometimes say too much.

1360
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:05,060
I always take advantage of that.

1361
02:01:10,700 --> 02:01:13,380
Does he know anything about the
reenactment?

1362
02:01:14,180 --> 02:01:17,820
No. What does Billy know about my
involvement?

1363
02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:24,540
All I've told him is that we've gotten
to know each other casually,

1364
02:01:24,780 --> 02:01:30,780
that you're in Texas, and that I asked
if you'd, like, tag along.

1365
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:34,420
And he seemed like he was into that.

1366
02:01:34,840 --> 02:01:36,620
Did he ask why I wanted to?

1367
02:01:38,820 --> 02:01:40,200
He actually didn't.

1368
02:01:40,760 --> 02:01:41,760
Okay, interesting.

1369
02:01:42,860 --> 02:01:45,100
He doesn't know me or anything about me.

1370
02:01:48,490 --> 02:01:52,450
So what does that mean? It just means I
feel like an undercover cop right now.

1371
02:01:52,610 --> 02:01:53,830
Like, crazy.

1372
02:01:54,550 --> 02:01:56,030
And you do like that feeling?

1373
02:02:02,310 --> 02:02:06,010
You okay?

1374
02:02:06,230 --> 02:02:07,230
Yeah.

1375
02:02:08,350 --> 02:02:10,230
Yep, just another day, you know?

1376
02:02:11,130 --> 02:02:12,150
Let's go grab our food.

1377
02:02:12,670 --> 02:02:13,810
Uh-oh, is somebody out there?

1378
02:02:14,130 --> 02:02:16,670
Yeah. Oh, wow. No, for the kids.

1379
02:02:17,050 --> 02:02:20,030
Okay. Is there food outside? Amanda,
nice to meet you. You're so tall.

1380
02:02:20,310 --> 02:02:21,310
What do you need?

1381
02:02:22,150 --> 02:02:26,510
Okay, let's go read your guys' books.
I'm going to go read your books. I'm

1382
02:02:26,510 --> 02:02:30,990
going to put you to bed, and I'll be
back in maybe 15 minutes with our

1383
02:02:30,990 --> 02:02:35,830
grandchildren. Say goodnight. Give her a
big hug. Listen, you are a real stand-up

1384
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:36,830
lady, okay?

1385
02:02:37,410 --> 02:02:41,810
And your pajamas are the best, and
whatever you're drinking looks

1386
02:02:41,810 --> 02:02:44,430
delicious. So you got it really good.
It's a white Russian.

1387
02:02:45,390 --> 02:02:48,330
You got it going on, huh? Good night,
children.

1388
02:02:48,750 --> 02:02:49,750
It's Mommy.

1389
02:02:50,530 --> 02:02:55,670
We only have two minutes with Mommy
right now.

1390
02:02:56,490 --> 02:02:57,650
Just wait a second.

1391
02:02:57,950 --> 02:03:01,570
This call will be recorded and subject
to monitoring at any time.

1392
02:03:02,450 --> 02:03:04,910
To access this call, press 5.

1393
02:03:05,190 --> 02:03:06,790
You may begin speaking now.

1394
02:03:07,230 --> 02:03:09,390
Hey, baby. I'm here with Wills and Ivy.

1395
02:03:10,270 --> 02:03:11,270
Oh, good.

1396
02:03:11,530 --> 02:03:13,690
Booyah! Hello, Mom.

1397
02:03:16,910 --> 02:03:20,090
I know we only have two minutes, but we
love you.

1398
02:03:21,010 --> 02:03:27,190
And then Nathan and Lance and Amanda's
here. Say hi.

1399
02:03:28,050 --> 02:03:29,050
Hi.

1400
02:03:29,350 --> 02:03:31,250
Did you know I was going to be here?

1401
02:03:35,850 --> 02:03:36,850
Okay.

1402
02:03:38,410 --> 02:03:42,030
I'm so sorry. I don't want to ruin your
two minutes with your beautiful family.

1403
02:03:43,470 --> 02:03:46,910
We're having a good time. You have a
beautiful family.

1404
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:50,430
No,

1405
02:03:50,890 --> 02:03:54,050
I don't even, yeah. Sorry, you're
wonderful.

1406
02:03:54,910 --> 02:03:55,910
I love you.

1407
02:03:59,070 --> 02:04:00,070
Yeah,

1408
02:04:00,670 --> 02:04:01,790
you can give me a call later.

1409
02:04:02,790 --> 02:04:03,790
Okay.

1410
02:04:04,090 --> 02:04:05,410
Say bye, Mommy.

1411
02:04:05,690 --> 02:04:06,589
Bye, Mommy.

1412
02:04:06,590 --> 02:04:07,590
Big bye.

1413
02:04:08,650 --> 02:04:10,470
Okay, say goodnight, everyone.

1414
02:04:10,730 --> 02:04:11,730
Goodnight.

1415
02:04:14,730 --> 02:04:17,310
I don't know if I knew. I don't know if
I knew.

1416
02:04:18,430 --> 02:04:22,790
What? She said, did you know I was going
to be here? I don't know if I knew.

1417
02:04:23,230 --> 02:04:24,290
Is that what you said? Yeah.

1418
02:04:30,130 --> 02:04:31,710
Do you know how much stock she ever
sold?

1419
02:04:33,510 --> 02:04:34,510
Nothing.

1420
02:04:34,710 --> 02:04:35,710
Zero.

1421
02:04:36,390 --> 02:04:40,850
She literally could have had a billion
and a half dollars personally and still

1422
02:04:40,850 --> 02:04:42,650
been a majority shareholder in the
business. Why are you guys making money

1423
02:04:42,650 --> 02:04:43,650
now?

1424
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:46,880
She gets paid 30 cents an hour.

1425
02:04:47,200 --> 02:04:48,200
What about you?

1426
02:04:48,820 --> 02:04:50,040
I've got my own business.

1427
02:04:50,900 --> 02:04:55,720
I don't know. I mean, to be honest, the
thing I've been thinking about is just

1428
02:04:55,720 --> 02:05:02,300
like, like how

1429
02:05:02,300 --> 02:05:07,640
decisions are made and how much is,

1430
02:05:07,720 --> 02:05:14,220
you know, her, these are her desires or
these are,

1431
02:05:14,590 --> 02:05:20,170
yours or these are both i think they're
one in the same because the life that

1432
02:05:20,170 --> 02:05:26,830
the two of us intend to live is one for
our family like she is my

1433
02:05:26,830 --> 02:05:31,890
she is my soul do you have conjugal
visits everyone's like there's no

1434
02:05:31,890 --> 02:05:35,930
conjugal visits the entire person i've
been laid for 899 days it's eight day

1435
02:05:35,930 --> 02:05:37,490
899 tomorrow's day 900.

1436
02:05:38,190 --> 02:05:43,210
i count the days yeah that you haven't
had sex yeah day 900 other than like

1437
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:44,520
Pamela Henderson.

1438
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:46,719
Excuse me?

1439
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:48,700
She's masturbating. Yeah, it's a joke.

1440
02:05:49,020 --> 02:05:51,720
I feel like a lot of women would say sex
is better by myself.

1441
02:05:52,100 --> 02:05:54,980
Yeah, that's because most men aren't
good at it. Are you good at sex?

1442
02:05:55,400 --> 02:05:56,480
Yeah, I'm fucking excellent.

1443
02:05:57,340 --> 02:05:58,340
How do you know?

1444
02:05:58,440 --> 02:05:59,820
Because I lied every time.

1445
02:06:00,160 --> 02:06:01,160
You lied about what?

1446
02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:02,280
To every partner.

1447
02:06:02,600 --> 02:06:06,580
Like you'd say if it was bad, oh, that
was so good. Yes, of course I would. So

1448
02:06:06,580 --> 02:06:08,540
how do you know you weren't getting
that? That's my point.

1449
02:06:11,080 --> 02:06:13,340
Can we change the subject? Let's talk
about something else.

1450
02:06:13,900 --> 02:06:18,320
Sex. So how is Liz getting info? Like,
she doesn't have the internet in there,

1451
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:20,160
right? I send her so many emails.

1452
02:06:20,720 --> 02:06:22,660
She has email but not internet.

1453
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:24,000
Yeah.

1454
02:06:24,460 --> 02:06:28,340
So she's, like, sending tweets, like,
today.

1455
02:06:29,020 --> 02:06:30,140
How does that work?

1456
02:06:30,520 --> 02:06:31,800
Yeah, some of them are just me.

1457
02:06:32,940 --> 02:06:33,940
Some?

1458
02:06:35,020 --> 02:06:36,460
And she does others?

1459
02:06:37,140 --> 02:06:39,140
Yeah, I'd say 80% of it's her.

1460
02:06:40,040 --> 02:06:44,200
how does she do it well i mean i'm
physically putting it on the internet

1461
02:06:44,200 --> 02:06:48,800
but she sends me an email saying here's
this line of text and i copy it i paste

1462
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:52,780
it and i put it on the internet but she
writes it did you do tell her that

1463
02:06:52,780 --> 02:06:58,580
you're doing it yeah she knows that
whatever she sends is like fair game for

1464
02:06:58,580 --> 02:07:04,120
these no she just trusts me some things
that she doesn't frame as like for the

1465
02:07:04,120 --> 02:07:07,890
internet i put up put there How did it
begin?

1466
02:07:08,130 --> 02:07:09,890
Like, was she like, I want to start?

1467
02:07:10,430 --> 02:07:11,430
No, I told her to.

1468
02:07:11,870 --> 02:07:15,050
I just said, fuck this. I'm tired of the
silence.

1469
02:07:17,370 --> 02:07:18,370
What's she saying?

1470
02:07:18,690 --> 02:07:21,890
And you, and I can read you some of
them. What are you saying? Yeah. What is

1471
02:07:21,890 --> 02:07:28,670
it? What's the, what is she talking
about? Like biotech? Is she talking

1472
02:07:28,670 --> 02:07:29,670
about what she's doing?

1473
02:07:30,110 --> 02:07:33,590
So there's this photo of like shitty
weed. It says, what do you call this

1474
02:07:33,590 --> 02:07:35,590
kind of weed where you were from?

1475
02:07:37,610 --> 02:07:40,270
Wait, she posted this? No, somebody
posted this. Oh.

1476
02:07:40,810 --> 02:07:42,070
And I wrote.

1477
02:07:43,310 --> 02:07:44,310
Oh, she wrote.

1478
02:07:44,330 --> 02:07:46,270
No, I wrote this. But as her.

1479
02:07:46,910 --> 02:07:48,290
Yeah, from her account.

1480
02:07:49,190 --> 02:07:53,730
I said, mandatory sentence extension and
a free trip to the solitary housing

1481
02:07:53,730 --> 02:07:54,730
unit.

1482
02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:55,870
Oh, my God.

1483
02:07:56,750 --> 02:07:57,750
You wrote that.

1484
02:07:58,030 --> 02:08:02,770
I wrote this. Oh, my God. What would she
say if she saw her ex account? She was

1485
02:08:02,770 --> 02:08:04,010
like, this is not me.

1486
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:06,660
No, it is her. She'd think it's
hilarious.

1487
02:08:07,200 --> 02:08:08,200
Yeah.

1488
02:08:08,840 --> 02:08:09,840
Is it?

1489
02:08:09,900 --> 02:08:11,720
How did the account get like?

1490
02:08:12,120 --> 02:08:14,840
She had an account from years ago, 15
years ago.

1491
02:08:15,060 --> 02:08:16,500
And then so how did you get access?

1492
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:23,600
I messaged one of the top people at X
and I just said, hey, this is who I am.

1493
02:08:23,740 --> 02:08:24,780
Here's a power of attorney.

1494
02:08:25,240 --> 02:08:26,780
I need access to her account.

1495
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:28,000
Power of attorney?

1496
02:08:28,380 --> 02:08:30,360
Yeah, I can do anything legally for Liz.

1497
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:31,560
Anything.

1498
02:08:32,300 --> 02:08:33,700
You have power of attorney.

1499
02:08:34,350 --> 02:08:36,850
Yeah, like unalienable, so I can
literally do anything.

1500
02:08:38,010 --> 02:08:40,650
I don't understand how the fuck you got
that.

1501
02:08:41,490 --> 02:08:44,610
She signed a document that said I had
power of attorney. Why would she do

1502
02:08:44,610 --> 02:08:47,150
that? Because we trust each other. But
she's alive.

1503
02:08:48,190 --> 02:08:49,530
Yeah. And functioning.

1504
02:08:49,770 --> 02:08:50,770
Yeah.

1505
02:08:51,530 --> 02:08:53,170
But there's a lot of things she can't
do.

1506
02:08:54,010 --> 02:08:56,150
But don't do anything crazy.

1507
02:08:56,890 --> 02:09:00,390
I mean, there's just a bunch of nasty
things in here that I really shouldn't

1508
02:09:00,390 --> 02:09:01,390
say.

1509
02:09:02,480 --> 02:09:08,200
The problem is if I had to, like, clear
everything by her, I think for too long

1510
02:09:08,200 --> 02:09:11,380
she just let things slide, and I don't
fucking take it.

1511
02:09:11,620 --> 02:09:13,080
I know, but that's not her.

1512
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:18,820
Yeah. That's you, and I don't think it's
good. I don't think it's helpful. She

1513
02:09:18,820 --> 02:09:19,880
was cool with everything that I said.

1514
02:09:20,320 --> 02:09:21,320
Amanda,

1515
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:25,060
with all due respect, your advice is one
of the last ones I would take on this

1516
02:09:25,060 --> 02:09:27,900
subject. You said yourself. Your
experience in social media hasn't

1517
02:09:27,900 --> 02:09:30,420
exactly been successful over the course
of the last six months. It's been very

1518
02:09:30,420 --> 02:09:31,420
successful, actually.

1519
02:09:31,540 --> 02:09:33,200
In distance and 50% of the country.

1520
02:09:33,780 --> 02:09:34,780
Wait, for what?

1521
02:09:34,840 --> 02:09:38,100
Yeah, Amanda was getting dragged on
social media because she said something

1522
02:09:38,100 --> 02:09:39,100
shitty about Charlie Kirk.

1523
02:09:39,300 --> 02:09:40,780
I just said he was hateful.

1524
02:09:41,820 --> 02:09:45,540
For two days, I was like... She got
fucking dragged.

1525
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:47,080
Is she a Charlie Kirk fan?

1526
02:09:47,520 --> 02:09:48,478
I am.

1527
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:51,040
You are? Yeah. I think he's a fucking
pussy.

1528
02:09:52,180 --> 02:09:55,680
And I hope his voice carries. Can I say
something about him real quick? You're

1529
02:09:55,680 --> 02:09:58,080
not going to like my political opinion.
I don't want to hear it, but here can I

1530
02:09:58,080 --> 02:09:59,620
say something? Because I'm better read
than you.

1531
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:05,160
I don't like the fact that he was
performative when he was with those

1532
02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:06,520
people. You're a fucking actress.

1533
02:10:06,900 --> 02:10:08,100
And then an asshole.

1534
02:10:08,540 --> 02:10:11,940
Yeah, but my own feeling. Who played my
wife with no research.

1535
02:10:12,200 --> 02:10:15,060
Talk about performative. One character,
but it wasn't her.

1536
02:10:16,020 --> 02:10:19,560
It was based on her. I think the writers
and the producers of the shows are

1537
02:10:19,560 --> 02:10:20,560
deplorable people.

1538
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:21,880
Well, listen.

1539
02:10:22,040 --> 02:10:25,740
Because they just made a bunch of shit
up. I hear what you're saying. I'm just

1540
02:10:25,740 --> 02:10:29,140
giving you a little bit more context.
Yeah, I'm going to ruin their lives.

1541
02:10:29,460 --> 02:10:30,460
Whose lives?

1542
02:10:30,720 --> 02:10:31,720
Fucking everyone.

1543
02:10:32,780 --> 02:10:34,460
I've got a vengeance in my heart.

1544
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:36,480
Everyone? Fucking everyone.

1545
02:10:37,020 --> 02:10:41,180
You can still be angry, but you can
cause more of an impact.

1546
02:10:41,480 --> 02:10:44,240
Well, the problem is I'm fucking good at
it. Good at what?

1547
02:10:46,180 --> 02:10:47,600
I mean, I'm pretty strategic.

1548
02:10:47,820 --> 02:10:48,980
I'm well resourced.

1549
02:10:49,500 --> 02:10:51,420
I know people who can do just about
anything.

1550
02:10:53,080 --> 02:10:54,080
To harm people?

1551
02:10:58,480 --> 02:11:00,300
I mean, it's exactly what it says.

1552
02:11:14,720 --> 02:11:18,860
But then Liz is in my mind, and she
says, don't feel that way.

1553
02:11:19,420 --> 02:11:24,660
it doesn't matter i love you
everything's okay and then i get calm he

1554
02:11:24,660 --> 02:11:31,580
is bat crazy he's an angry guy why the
would

1555
02:11:31,580 --> 02:11:37,480
you be her voice the only voice she has
in the world right now when she's in

1556
02:11:37,480 --> 02:11:41,440
prison i mean some of the things he's
posting just well i don't know if this

1557
02:11:41,440 --> 02:11:45,120
is coming from him or her but it just
doesn't sound like her like a response

1558
02:11:45,120 --> 02:11:46,120
like that

1559
02:11:46,510 --> 02:11:51,610
But does Ernos have the technology, it
promised? Yes, you fucking idiot. Like,

1560
02:11:51,610 --> 02:11:53,370
she would never say that.

1561
02:11:54,010 --> 02:11:57,190
She would never say that. But this is
her Twitter and it's like verified.

1562
02:11:57,730 --> 02:11:58,730
It's crazy.

1563
02:11:58,990 --> 02:12:03,350
Like, someone's asking, are you sharing
a crypto token? And she goes, fuck off.

1564
02:12:03,710 --> 02:12:09,490
Like, in what world? That's not being
supportive of her having a voice at all.

1565
02:12:09,650 --> 02:12:14,370
And this is sort of a crazy one because,
so someone asked her on Twitter.

1566
02:12:15,130 --> 02:12:16,910
Did you watch the dropout?

1567
02:12:18,130 --> 02:12:19,930
And she wrote, never will.

1568
02:12:20,910 --> 02:12:25,990
But she's seen it. And when this
documentary comes out, this will be like

1569
02:12:25,990 --> 02:12:27,470
seen as a lie.

1570
02:12:27,910 --> 02:12:34,310
Nathan, I'm 99.9% sure she has no idea
that that's been written.

1571
02:13:10,670 --> 02:13:14,850
with whey protein in it. So you can get
a medium and split it into two cups.

1572
02:13:16,070 --> 02:13:17,070
Yeah,

1573
02:13:17,390 --> 02:13:18,510
that's what I'd recommend.

1574
02:13:18,850 --> 02:13:22,890
Thank you so much. When I left the
prison the other day with both of the

1575
02:13:22,890 --> 02:13:25,930
kids in the car and just me, there's
three cars tailing my car.

1576
02:13:26,470 --> 02:13:32,490
So I recorded an interview for the
purpose of, like, if anything happens to

1577
02:13:32,490 --> 02:13:33,490
me, it goes live.

1578
02:13:33,830 --> 02:13:38,210
What do you mean by anything happens to
you? Like if I'm killed or if I get hurt

1579
02:13:38,210 --> 02:13:45,200
or... somebody tries to silence me then
uh everything goes

1580
02:13:45,200 --> 02:13:51,060
out so it's kind of like a insurance but
do you feel like there's an imminent

1581
02:13:51,060 --> 02:13:56,460
threat right now i mean there's a reason
why i carry a gun on me 24 7 365.

1582
02:13:59,220 --> 02:14:06,120
um you have a gun on you right now oh
here it worked yeah

1583
02:14:06,890 --> 02:14:12,010
you it is scary good if you give it the
right data hello i'm even blue

1584
02:14:12,010 --> 02:14:17,470
what's the what's the goal with
something like that let people do

1585
02:14:17,470 --> 02:14:22,650
whatever they want with it huh yeah it's
just like the public do it yeah it's

1586
02:14:22,650 --> 02:14:26,110
going to happen anyways so if you're
going to have it happen you might as

1587
02:14:26,110 --> 02:14:29,830
well have the representation of her like
actually look like her right well what

1588
02:14:29,830 --> 02:14:33,270
if they think images of her like having
sex like cornos yeah

1589
02:14:34,200 --> 02:14:36,820
I think people are going to do that.
There's no stopping that.

1590
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:42,840
Okay.

1591
02:14:43,780 --> 02:14:44,940
Let me ask you this.

1592
02:14:47,020 --> 02:14:54,020
Is Liz aware of the details of the deal
you made for

1593
02:14:54,020 --> 02:14:55,940
her to appear in this documentary?

1594
02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:58,760
Which details?

1595
02:14:59,680 --> 02:15:01,680
So Liz told me...

1596
02:15:02,490 --> 02:15:04,830
Before she went in? Well, she's aware of
some of the details.

1597
02:15:09,190 --> 02:15:12,210
The stuff related to, like, the money?

1598
02:15:13,010 --> 02:15:14,010
No.

1599
02:15:14,690 --> 02:15:17,110
I perfectly didn't want her to be aware
of all of it.

1600
02:15:17,550 --> 02:15:18,550
Why?

1601
02:15:21,870 --> 02:15:24,050
Because she was handling a lot of shit
at the time.

1602
02:15:28,130 --> 02:15:29,130
Okay.

1603
02:15:30,610 --> 02:15:31,670
Like, be specific.

1604
02:15:32,200 --> 02:15:35,240
And I'm happy to answer any very
specific question.

1605
02:15:36,040 --> 02:15:37,040
OK.

1606
02:15:39,100 --> 02:15:43,200
Is she interested in making money from
this?

1607
02:15:43,440 --> 02:15:44,440
No.

1608
02:15:56,760 --> 02:15:59,060
The central thing.

1609
02:15:59,610 --> 02:16:03,490
that you guys have been trying to argue
from the beginning is liz is someone who

1610
02:16:03,490 --> 02:16:08,650
doesn't care about money that's not what
motivates her yeah so you're taking an

1611
02:16:08,650 --> 02:16:13,750
action that directly puts that into
question yeah and she didn't want to but

1612
02:16:13,750 --> 02:16:19,690
i'm i'm practical well the reason i'm
bringing this up is like there's still

1613
02:16:19,690 --> 02:16:26,170
like opportunity to to change this i
mean when you profit off like the the

1614
02:16:26,170 --> 02:16:31,060
back end of a movie like that doesn't
pay out until the movie comes out so

1615
02:16:31,060 --> 02:16:38,020
like you know i

1616
02:16:38,020 --> 02:16:41,580
hear you and i will uh i'll think about
it

1617
02:16:41,580 --> 02:16:48,139
when you said

1618
02:16:48,139 --> 02:16:54,379
we said it knew some of the details of
the deal that you made

1619
02:16:54,379 --> 02:17:00,980
yeah what were those details oh gosh i
don't remember all i do remember is that

1620
02:17:00,980 --> 02:17:07,219
she was not involved in the process

1621
02:17:07,219 --> 02:17:12,020
so i don't remember what she saw or what
she knew of um

1622
02:17:12,020 --> 02:17:18,580
all right i

1623
02:17:18,580 --> 02:17:21,520
don't know if she's ever seen that

1624
02:18:11,560 --> 02:18:17,240
Dear Elizabeth, comma,

1625
02:18:17,480 --> 02:18:23,639
I'd like to try to establish a direct
line of communication to you

1626
02:18:23,639 --> 02:18:29,160
if that's something you'd be open to,
period.

1627
02:18:32,650 --> 02:18:38,690
been challenging to talk like we used to
um

1628
02:18:38,690 --> 02:18:45,629
period billy is concerned about leaks to
the press

1629
02:18:45,629 --> 02:18:50,889
and because your mail is monitored i
know i can't say much

1630
02:18:50,889 --> 02:18:57,809
comma but you've

1631
02:18:57,809 --> 02:19:01,530
been on my mind a lot lately and

1632
02:19:02,830 --> 02:19:08,290
i have some questions that i think only
you can answer

1633
02:19:08,290 --> 02:19:15,230
period i'm in a

1634
02:19:15,230 --> 02:19:22,090
hotel room in new york city right now
i'm here because i recently

1635
02:19:22,090 --> 02:19:28,410
went through a breakup but you don't
have to worry about me because i'm doing

1636
02:19:28,410 --> 02:19:29,410
okay

1637
02:19:32,650 --> 02:19:33,670
Exclamation point.

1638
02:19:34,570 --> 02:19:39,490
Billy had mentioned that there's no way
to schedule a phone call with you at a

1639
02:19:39,490 --> 02:19:43,450
specific time because it's first come,
first serve in there and everyone just

1640
02:19:43,450 --> 02:19:45,950
has to wait in a really long line.

1641
02:19:48,010 --> 02:19:50,590
Period. So how about this?

1642
02:19:52,270 --> 02:19:56,770
I assume it's at least three days before
you receive this letter.

1643
02:19:57,770 --> 02:19:59,910
So on December 19th.

1644
02:20:00,910 --> 02:20:07,770
I'm going to be by my phone from 7 a.m.
to 7 p.m. your time, Texas time.

1645
02:20:09,810 --> 02:20:12,310
I really hope to hear from you that day,
Liz.

1646
02:20:15,570 --> 02:20:16,770
Keep it up in there.

1647
02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:49,320
Okay, Billy just messaged.

1648
02:20:50,740 --> 02:20:53,120
Liz said you wanted her to call this
morning.

1649
02:20:53,940 --> 02:20:57,560
Is that still something you want? Can
you give me context?

1650
02:21:04,980 --> 02:21:06,300
So she told him.

1651
02:21:10,040 --> 02:21:11,160
What is the window?

1652
02:21:11,580 --> 02:21:13,020
He just messaged that.

1653
02:21:15,950 --> 02:21:18,790
Would 8.15 her time work for her?

1654
02:21:40,170 --> 02:21:41,170
Hello?

1655
02:21:42,430 --> 02:21:43,430
Hello, hey.

1656
02:21:45,400 --> 02:21:51,680
on the video to confirm the call but she
just left the video okay

1657
02:21:51,680 --> 02:21:58,520
can can she call though or well i i
couldn't confirm

1658
02:21:58,520 --> 02:22:03,040
it with her i was trying to call you
well she was on the video to be able to

1659
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:06,940
tell her oh but i i texted i texted you
that i'm around

1660
02:22:14,890 --> 02:22:16,410
I thought it was already confirmed.

1661
02:22:17,390 --> 02:22:19,330
Is she going to be around to talk?

1662
02:22:47,980 --> 02:22:49,600
Yeah, because I want it on camera.

1663
02:22:50,740 --> 02:22:51,940
It's a documentary.

1664
02:22:56,420 --> 02:22:57,420
Well,

1665
02:23:07,680 --> 02:23:11,300
why would you not want to facilitate
things?

1666
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:36,900
The warden is in a place right now that
if she gets light of you

1667
02:23:36,900 --> 02:23:40,580
recording her while she's in prison,
she'll be shipped to a different

1668
02:23:40,580 --> 02:23:41,580
facility.

1669
02:23:42,240 --> 02:23:44,820
If anyone records her while she's in
prison?

1670
02:23:47,440 --> 02:23:54,180
If they think that she is knowingly
facilitating recording,

1671
02:23:54,480 --> 02:23:56,280
she could get sent to a higher...

1672
02:23:56,910 --> 02:24:00,610
security facility, which means that the
kids and I wouldn't be able to see her

1673
02:24:00,610 --> 02:24:01,610
on the weekends.

1674
02:24:01,770 --> 02:24:06,490
And the last thing that I want to do is
to make it so I need to move to fucking

1675
02:24:06,490 --> 02:24:07,490
Arizona.

1676
02:24:10,050 --> 02:24:13,150
I just think... I just think we need to
hear her.

1677
02:24:14,590 --> 02:24:18,450
I get it. The subject of your film, you
cannot talk to.

1678
02:24:19,090 --> 02:24:21,230
It makes for an impossible scenario.

1679
02:24:21,590 --> 02:24:22,670
I totally understand.

1680
02:24:23,150 --> 02:24:26,300
But if you guys are going to be putting
this out, I can probably... I promise

1681
02:24:26,300 --> 02:24:27,300
you she's gonna get fucked.

1682
02:24:34,460 --> 02:24:38,000
Yeah, I don't... Just hope that you can
see it from my perspective.

1683
02:24:41,400 --> 02:24:44,300
Uh, so we'll see if she calls you or
not.

1684
02:25:22,360 --> 02:25:27,760
On oh No, fuck

1685
02:25:27,760 --> 02:25:30,320
no winter was now

1686
02:25:54,890 --> 02:25:57,030
an all-teacher call press 7.

1687
02:25:57,270 --> 02:26:02,690
to reject this call hang up now you may
begin speaking now

1688
02:26:40,560 --> 02:26:47,540
begin speaking now hello hey hi i

1689
02:26:47,540 --> 02:26:50,540
was trying to get a hold of you and it
wouldn't let that phone number go

1690
02:26:50,540 --> 02:26:55,180
through but i don't know if you guys are
together oh yeah you called lance's

1691
02:26:55,180 --> 02:27:01,940
phone oh yeah uh no worries how are you
i'm good

1692
02:27:01,940 --> 02:27:06,700
how are you doing good will you move a
little further away from the mic yeah

1693
02:27:09,930 --> 02:27:13,790
I've been thinking about you and
everything that you've been going

1694
02:27:13,790 --> 02:27:15,710
through. I'll find the right person.

1695
02:27:16,290 --> 02:27:17,290
I know it.

1696
02:27:18,750 --> 02:27:20,170
That's nice of you to say.

1697
02:27:20,610 --> 02:27:23,730
I know what it means from going through
all this.

1698
02:27:25,910 --> 02:27:28,050
It's nice to hear your voice.

1699
02:27:28,510 --> 02:27:29,510
I know.

1700
02:27:30,410 --> 02:27:32,010
We've got to get you out here soon.

1701
02:27:34,230 --> 02:27:35,230
Yeah.

1702
02:27:35,770 --> 02:27:37,370
I think that would be great.

1703
02:27:37,690 --> 02:27:38,690
Me too.

1704
02:27:39,470 --> 02:27:42,990
The phone minutes are going to be short,
by the way. It's going to cut out.

1705
02:27:45,810 --> 02:27:49,610
How is your dating going?

1706
02:27:51,530 --> 02:27:52,530
What do you mean?

1707
02:27:54,050 --> 02:27:55,029
Pardon me?

1708
02:27:55,030 --> 02:27:56,030
What do you mean by that?

1709
02:28:23,080 --> 02:28:24,080
Oh,

1710
02:28:26,300 --> 02:28:31,900
just sort of open-ended. I don't know
what's been going on. I was just

1711
02:28:31,900 --> 02:28:33,460
curious, just like small talk.

1712
02:28:34,730 --> 02:28:35,609
How's your day?

1713
02:28:35,610 --> 02:28:39,170
Like, well, I'm in a cell and locked
down a lot.

1714
02:28:39,390 --> 02:28:40,390
Mm-hmm.

1715
02:28:42,570 --> 02:28:44,690
I wanted to ask you something.

1716
02:28:45,070 --> 02:28:48,610
Oh, gosh. This guy's gonna hang up. I
won't be past my minutes, but I just...

1717
02:28:48,610 --> 02:28:50,150
You need to come visit.

1718
02:28:50,470 --> 02:28:52,790
Oh, um, yeah. I want to see you.

1719
02:28:53,030 --> 02:28:55,310
We'll make it happen. Come, come, come.

1720
02:28:55,850 --> 02:28:56,870
Okay, okay.

1721
02:28:57,110 --> 02:28:58,110
All right, bye.

1722
02:28:59,310 --> 02:29:00,310
Okay.

1723
02:29:09,360 --> 02:29:10,680
You just need to get there.

1724
02:29:11,660 --> 02:29:14,980
It's the only time you're going to have
any private moments with her.

1725
02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:18,960
And I also think she's covering it
because she's being recorded by the

1726
02:29:18,960 --> 02:29:20,900
prison. That's why she wants you to
come.

1727
02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:26,340
But then the issue is sort of like, we
don't have the ability to bring cameras

1728
02:29:26,340 --> 02:29:26,979
in there.

1729
02:29:26,980 --> 02:29:29,040
But you're going to have to just trust
yourself.

1730
02:29:30,460 --> 02:29:33,500
Trust yourself in the fact that you're
really good at asking questions.

1731
02:29:33,740 --> 02:29:36,060
How you convey what I experience.

1732
02:29:37,130 --> 02:29:42,610
I will reenact whatever you want me to
reenact, and... I mean, this is no

1733
02:29:42,610 --> 02:29:49,110
offense to you. You're a very talented
actress, very good performer, but, you

1734
02:29:49,110 --> 02:29:50,110
know, you're not her.

1735
02:29:50,370 --> 02:29:57,270
No, I know. And so... But guess how many
people believed that that was

1736
02:29:57,270 --> 02:29:58,270
her when I played her?

1737
02:29:58,770 --> 02:29:59,770
A lot.

1738
02:29:59,950 --> 02:30:05,110
I know, but the point isn't convincing
people that this is her. The point is...

1739
02:30:05,640 --> 02:30:12,340
Okay, whatever I discover in there, that
should

1740
02:30:12,340 --> 02:30:14,620
be conveyed accurately.

1741
02:30:17,140 --> 02:30:18,320
What did he do?

1742
02:30:18,540 --> 02:30:19,680
He farted. It's fine.

1743
02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:21,000
He's old.

1744
02:31:45,750 --> 02:31:48,130
Sorry, I'm a little sick.

1745
02:31:54,910 --> 02:31:55,910
So what happened?

1746
02:32:01,150 --> 02:32:03,170
The first thing you do is you go through
security.

1747
02:32:03,490 --> 02:32:07,510
You're not allowed any electronic
device, no camera, no recording

1748
02:32:07,510 --> 02:32:08,810
equipment, not even a watch.

1749
02:32:10,830 --> 02:32:14,870
The only thing you're allowed to bring
in is a credit card and your ID.

1750
02:32:16,150 --> 02:32:20,530
I know from talking to Billy that he
doesn't show up right at the start of

1751
02:32:20,530 --> 02:32:26,290
the visitor time, which is 8 a.m. So my
thinking is if I get there right at 8,

1752
02:32:26,890 --> 02:32:30,630
then I'll have like a full hour with her
at least before he shows up.

1753
02:32:33,090 --> 02:32:37,890
Then the door opens from the inside of
the prison to the visitor room and two

1754
02:32:37,890 --> 02:32:39,710
other inmates come out.

1755
02:32:40,750 --> 02:32:47,170
not her what are you thinking well
there's no clock in the room so i don't

1756
02:32:47,170 --> 02:32:50,150
know how much time is passing and
they're supposed to call her and she's

1757
02:32:50,150 --> 02:32:56,150
supposed to be there within five minutes
so i started looking for a clock and i

1758
02:32:56,150 --> 02:33:03,050
can't find one yeah and then i sort of
wander over to the vending machines

1759
02:33:03,050 --> 02:33:09,790
and i'm looking at those and i see there
is a clock on the credit card

1760
02:33:09,790 --> 02:33:11,510
reader on the vending machine.

1761
02:33:11,790 --> 02:33:15,470
And I see in there the time is like
8.30.

1762
02:33:15,730 --> 02:33:18,970
So I've been waiting for 20 minutes and
she's not out yet.

1763
02:33:22,130 --> 02:33:25,050
I go back to my seat and I keep waiting.

1764
02:33:27,090 --> 02:33:30,990
And I start to wonder if she's going to
show up at all.

1765
02:33:43,340 --> 02:33:46,420
So the door opens again, and it's her.

1766
02:33:46,760 --> 02:33:52,500
She looked right at me, came towards me.
I stood up, and she hugged me.

1767
02:33:53,620 --> 02:33:57,180
And it was a very strong hug.

1768
02:33:59,140 --> 02:34:03,860
And I felt her body, like, vibrating,
like shaking in the hug.

1769
02:34:04,520 --> 02:34:09,000
And it lasted about 10 seconds, I'd say.

1770
02:34:09,740 --> 02:34:10,780
Was her shaking?

1771
02:34:14,500 --> 02:34:17,420
Authentic. Yeah, that's how it felt from
her.

1772
02:34:19,240 --> 02:34:22,320
Then immediately she says to me, You
look different.

1773
02:34:23,640 --> 02:34:24,579
Oh yeah?

1774
02:34:24,580 --> 02:34:25,580
How?

1775
02:34:25,960 --> 02:34:27,420
You seem more serious.

1776
02:34:29,100 --> 02:34:31,480
Did I not seem serious before?

1777
02:34:32,060 --> 02:34:33,460
I don't know. Whatever.

1778
02:34:33,800 --> 02:34:39,700
But we sit down and I notice her family
member was killed.

1779
02:34:41,820 --> 02:34:48,600
machines and she was like looking over
at that so i just felt oh like do you

1780
02:34:48,600 --> 02:34:55,540
want some food and she was like that'd
be great but you don't

1781
02:34:55,540 --> 02:35:01,500
have to we just we're not allowed to buy
snacks ourselves from the machines yeah

1782
02:35:01,500 --> 02:35:08,420
oh uh yeah no problem uh what do you
want i like the turkey jerky

1783
02:35:08,420 --> 02:35:10,980
funny that she likes turkey jerky so do
i

1784
02:35:12,789 --> 02:35:16,930
So you get to the vending machine and
it's already 8.55 and you know Billy's

1785
02:35:16,930 --> 02:35:18,310
coming in like five minutes.

1786
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:22,630
I know Billy comes around nine, so I
just don't know how much time I have.

1787
02:35:24,610 --> 02:35:29,110
So how do you know Amanda Seyfried, she
says?

1788
02:35:29,410 --> 02:35:31,350
I mean, the way she says it is Seyfried.

1789
02:35:33,230 --> 02:35:34,770
So how do you know Amanda Seyfried?

1790
02:35:35,970 --> 02:35:37,350
So she brings me up.

1791
02:35:37,650 --> 02:35:39,890
So yeah, she brought you up. Were you
surprised by that?

1792
02:35:43,180 --> 02:35:46,240
She says, you know, people in here think
that Amanda's show is a documentary.

1793
02:35:48,360 --> 02:35:50,180
They think everything in there happened.

1794
02:35:51,660 --> 02:35:55,360
A guard came up to me and said that I
was a terrible person, and I asked what

1795
02:35:55,360 --> 02:35:56,360
they had read.

1796
02:35:56,760 --> 02:35:59,100
And all they had seen was Amanda's show.

1797
02:36:02,520 --> 02:36:05,380
Yeah, I don't know really about that
stuff.

1798
02:36:06,480 --> 02:36:11,360
I get treated worse in here because of
her portrayal of me.

1799
02:36:13,160 --> 02:36:16,940
and it's really up that a woman would do
something like that to another woman

1800
02:36:16,940 --> 02:36:23,700
okay wow i didn't do that to her she did
it to herself

1801
02:36:23,700 --> 02:36:30,040
i think it's i mean my defenses are up
because i'm like

1802
02:36:30,040 --> 02:36:36,720
yeah i feel bad for the way you're being
treated here um

1803
02:36:36,720 --> 02:36:41,120
but also it's not our job to teach
people things

1804
02:36:44,400 --> 02:36:47,820
I mean, I have nothing against Amanda
personally, but the women who made their

1805
02:36:47,820 --> 02:36:52,040
show, all of them, they knew exactly
what they were doing. They knew that the

1806
02:36:52,040 --> 02:36:53,460
show was filled with lies.

1807
02:36:53,720 --> 02:36:57,860
I mean, lies aren't, it's not lies.
Like, those aren't lies.

1808
02:36:58,220 --> 02:37:00,740
It's fucking TV, you know.

1809
02:37:01,540 --> 02:37:07,160
If the show hadn't been made, people
would still have fucking bullied her for

1810
02:37:07,160 --> 02:37:09,040
what they think she did.

1811
02:37:10,540 --> 02:37:14,240
When the machine exploded and blood
squirted out and then she said, you know

1812
02:37:14,240 --> 02:37:15,240
what? It doesn't matter.

1813
02:37:15,660 --> 02:37:16,680
Did that happen?

1814
02:37:19,180 --> 02:37:24,540
I don't know if she says, you know what?
It didn't matter because she behaved as

1815
02:37:24,540 --> 02:37:26,740
though, you know what? It didn't matter.

1816
02:37:27,460 --> 02:37:30,480
But there's no... It's possible that she
said that.

1817
02:37:31,880 --> 02:37:33,660
But that line is made up.

1818
02:37:33,960 --> 02:37:37,220
Yeah, absolutely. We weren't there. It's
so painful to...

1819
02:37:38,120 --> 02:37:42,640
I'm just, I'm tired of having other
people speak for me.

1820
02:37:43,000 --> 02:37:47,500
I just don't want that to ever happen
again.

1821
02:37:49,360 --> 02:37:54,160
I think this is all Billy getting into
her head. It's a conspiracy now?

1822
02:37:55,400 --> 02:37:56,460
Amanda's show? Okay.

1823
02:37:56,720 --> 02:37:57,720
Hmm.

1824
02:37:59,500 --> 02:38:04,700
So, I'm starting to get a little nervous
because we haven't gotten to the thing

1825
02:38:04,700 --> 02:38:07,040
that I came to talk about yet.

1826
02:38:07,440 --> 02:38:14,300
and i just don't know when billy's gonna
show up so um when we were with you

1827
02:38:14,300 --> 02:38:20,900
a few years ago back in san diego del
mar did billy ever tell you the

1828
02:38:20,900 --> 02:38:27,240
details of the deal he made for your
involvement in this project uh

1829
02:38:27,240 --> 02:38:31,560
i'm not really sure what you mean

1830
02:38:35,470 --> 02:38:41,450
negotiated a contract to get paid a
portion of the profits of the film.

1831
02:38:46,750 --> 02:38:52,650
Yeah, I mean, I'm not really involved in

1832
02:38:52,650 --> 02:38:57,030
that because it's just not really my
thing.

1833
02:39:01,580 --> 02:39:05,520
Billy told me you knew some of the
details about the deal he made.

1834
02:39:07,900 --> 02:39:09,720
What details did you know?

1835
02:39:10,620 --> 02:39:14,460
And Liz says, well, I knew he was
talking to you about it.

1836
02:39:19,280 --> 02:39:21,440
Well, I knew that he was talking to you
about it.

1837
02:39:25,500 --> 02:39:28,440
So she knew that when she went upstairs.

1838
02:39:30,000 --> 02:39:35,680
to check on the kids that the money
stuff was going to be discussed

1839
02:39:35,680 --> 02:39:41,700
because she's telling you she knew and
that clarifies

1840
02:39:41,700 --> 02:39:48,140
the fact that she had knowledge of the
deal which is very strange um and it

1841
02:39:48,140 --> 02:39:53,980
does start it's starting to feel like
she is just trying to keep her hands

1842
02:39:53,980 --> 02:39:59,120
clean because it's interesting because
when she said that to me

1843
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:00,840
How'd you feel?

1844
02:40:02,840 --> 02:40:05,840
I didn't instantly receive it as...

1845
02:40:05,840 --> 02:40:11,940
Or she must be deceiving me, so...

1846
02:40:11,940 --> 02:40:16,420
Maybe she didn't actually say it like
this, I'm wondering.

1847
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:23,640
Maybe she said, well, I knew he was
talking to you about something, not it.

1848
02:40:26,840 --> 02:40:28,700
Well, those are two different ones, for
sure.

1849
02:40:33,840 --> 02:40:38,900
And, yeah, I feel confident about that.
Okay.

1850
02:40:39,380 --> 02:40:45,960
So can you change that in your script,
actually? Will you change

1851
02:40:45,960 --> 02:40:47,680
it to something?

1852
02:40:52,100 --> 02:40:55,320
I knew that he was talking to you about
something.

1853
02:40:56,280 --> 02:40:57,279
He did?

1854
02:40:57,280 --> 02:41:00,300
Yeah. Again, this is more his thing.

1855
02:41:00,560 --> 02:41:02,160
We are very separate on these things.

1856
02:41:05,200 --> 02:41:08,940
I guess what I'm wondering is, is this
something that you want?

1857
02:41:09,680 --> 02:41:13,560
Because there still is time to change
it.

1858
02:41:14,380 --> 02:41:15,460
It's not my world.

1859
02:41:16,040 --> 02:41:19,540
And more, it doesn't pertain to me, you
know? It was not my focus at the time.

1860
02:41:20,340 --> 02:41:22,180
How does it not pertain to you?

1861
02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:26,580
You negotiated a deal to profit off your
participation in this movie.

1862
02:41:26,780 --> 02:41:28,960
A deal that you're both going to benefit
from.

1863
02:41:29,340 --> 02:41:32,300
And you keep ringing this bell that you
don't care about money.

1864
02:41:32,500 --> 02:41:33,179
I don't.

1865
02:41:33,180 --> 02:41:34,640
Okay, so you have...

1866
02:41:34,990 --> 02:41:40,070
No opinion about how turning this thing
into an opportunity for profit is going

1867
02:41:40,070 --> 02:41:45,310
to affect that perception of you? I
completely understand where you're

1868
02:41:45,310 --> 02:41:49,150
coming from, and if you think it's bad
for the project, I'll talk to Billy.

1869
02:41:49,750 --> 02:41:52,450
But our finances are completely
separate.

1870
02:41:52,930 --> 02:41:53,970
Come on, Liz.

1871
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:55,230
You have kids together.

1872
02:41:55,570 --> 02:42:00,410
So whether or not she knew about the
financial part of the deal is one thing.

1873
02:42:01,490 --> 02:42:03,530
Maybe she did, maybe she didn't.

1874
02:42:04,390 --> 02:42:09,950
But I could not get a sense of how she
felt about it. And it almost seemed like

1875
02:42:09,950 --> 02:42:13,750
she had no opinion of her own. Let me
talk to Billy.

1876
02:42:14,470 --> 02:42:16,950
And I'm sure whatever the path is, it'll
be the right one.

1877
02:42:17,530 --> 02:42:18,910
This is so frustrating.

1878
02:42:19,610 --> 02:42:25,170
How is she going to get any help if
she's just like hiding behind this

1879
02:42:25,170 --> 02:42:26,830
jackass?

1880
02:42:31,210 --> 02:42:35,930
I find it interesting that you can be
someone who doesn't care about money,

1881
02:42:35,990 --> 02:42:40,350
but you're intertwined with someone who
does.

1882
02:42:41,730 --> 02:42:46,210
And you're not eager to influence
decisions in that relationship.

1883
02:42:47,570 --> 02:42:50,250
Does that actually mean you don't care
about money?

1884
02:42:50,850 --> 02:42:55,510
Sort of hard to tell, right? Nathan, I
don't have the option to care about

1885
02:42:55,510 --> 02:42:59,490
money. I owe hundreds of millions of
dollars of restitution.

1886
02:43:00,490 --> 02:43:02,590
Every dollar I make, they take from me.

1887
02:43:03,990 --> 02:43:05,750
I promise I'll talk to him.

1888
02:43:06,130 --> 02:43:10,470
Are you even aware of the decisions he's
making on your behalf?

1889
02:43:11,590 --> 02:43:16,990
That photo of yourself that you hate is
currently blown up on billboards all

1890
02:43:16,990 --> 02:43:17,789
across America.

1891
02:43:17,790 --> 02:43:18,790
I heard about that.

1892
02:43:18,970 --> 02:43:20,250
He told you about that?

1893
02:43:20,850 --> 02:43:25,470
I mean, he's created an AI version of
you that can say whatever he wants it to

1894
02:43:25,470 --> 02:43:28,270
say. And he's pretending to be you on
Twitter?

1895
02:43:29,390 --> 02:43:30,790
Telling people to go fuck themselves?

1896
02:43:31,670 --> 02:43:35,030
I can't imagine that these are things
that you want.

1897
02:43:35,910 --> 02:43:38,250
Billy has his own way of doing things.

1898
02:43:41,450 --> 02:43:42,450
Okay.

1899
02:43:47,950 --> 02:43:54,070
This whole experience, this fire that
we're going through together,

1900
02:43:54,330 --> 02:43:58,430
it's just annealed our love in...

1901
02:43:59,449 --> 02:44:01,310
Such an intense way.

1902
02:44:02,910 --> 02:44:03,910
And Neil?

1903
02:44:04,070 --> 02:44:05,070
Yeah.

1904
02:44:07,350 --> 02:44:08,790
I feel him so deeply.

1905
02:44:12,750 --> 02:44:17,790
Even when I'm in my cell, alone, you
know, I...

1906
02:44:17,790 --> 02:44:20,970
I feel him with me.

1907
02:44:21,470 --> 02:44:23,030
And we don't even need to speak.

1908
02:44:25,050 --> 02:44:27,610
And that's how I talk to him.

1909
02:44:28,270 --> 02:44:30,210
I have conversations with him in my
head.

1910
02:44:32,190 --> 02:44:36,990
And I know what he's feeling and what he
would say.

1911
02:44:52,520 --> 02:44:55,720
I see these couples who've been together
for years and years, and they're

1912
02:44:55,720 --> 02:44:58,200
supposedly in love, but you can see that
they're not.

1913
02:45:00,840 --> 02:45:01,860
And I'm like, why?

1914
02:45:03,080 --> 02:45:04,080
Why?

1915
02:45:06,320 --> 02:45:07,780
Why would you do that to yourself?

1916
02:45:11,300 --> 02:45:12,740
And I've never had that with Billy.

1917
02:45:20,750 --> 02:45:27,250
pretend with you so it's just so real
you guys

1918
02:45:27,250 --> 02:45:33,470
and we're building monuments of love

1919
02:45:33,470 --> 02:45:37,770
for each other each and every day

1920
02:45:37,770 --> 02:45:45,790
ever

1921
02:45:45,790 --> 02:45:51,050
since billy has come into my life i've
become convinced that our idea of what

1922
02:45:51,050 --> 02:45:55,510
we believe to be god is actually love

1923
02:45:55,510 --> 02:46:07,630
i

1924
02:46:07,630 --> 02:46:13,650
mean i don't know if this is like a
stockholm syndrome symptom i

1925
02:46:13,650 --> 02:46:18,310
don't know i guess in the moment i

1926
02:46:20,710 --> 02:46:23,570
Thought it was, like, kind of nice.

1927
02:46:24,830 --> 02:46:27,310
Are you kidding me? He's the most
selfish?

1928
02:46:28,550 --> 02:46:30,270
He's a, he's a narcissist.

1929
02:46:33,910 --> 02:46:39,330
Well, I think the love is, like, real.

1930
02:46:41,650 --> 02:46:45,670
I did not

1931
02:46:45,670 --> 02:46:49,330
sense.

1932
02:46:53,210 --> 02:46:55,370
Duress. I did not sense fear.

1933
02:46:57,390 --> 02:47:04,030
I sensed just complete, unbridled,
genuine love for this man.

1934
02:47:08,790 --> 02:47:09,810
I come back.

1935
02:47:10,530 --> 02:47:11,530
She looks great.

1936
02:47:11,730 --> 02:47:12,730
Okay,

1937
02:47:13,110 --> 02:47:15,870
I think I'm gonna cut out. I'll give you
guys some time. You sure you don't want

1938
02:47:15,870 --> 02:47:16,409
to stay?

1939
02:47:16,410 --> 02:47:18,270
Yeah. Okay, let's go outside.

1940
02:47:18,970 --> 02:47:19,970
I'll get permission.

1941
02:47:58,350 --> 02:47:59,770
I'm just curious.

1942
02:48:00,870 --> 02:48:01,870
Yeah.

1943
02:48:03,690 --> 02:48:10,310
There were moments or was a moment when
you guys were alone in the prison

1944
02:48:10,310 --> 02:48:16,190
and I'm just wondering if there was
maybe a moment where

1945
02:48:16,190 --> 02:48:22,850
she was being deceitful

1946
02:48:22,850 --> 02:48:29,190
or manipulative and you're not.
including it because you're

1947
02:48:29,190 --> 02:48:33,230
being protective of her.

1948
02:48:35,590 --> 02:48:37,690
Why would you think I was doing that?

1949
02:48:40,650 --> 02:48:41,650
I don't know.

1950
02:48:43,590 --> 02:48:47,030
Well, what do you mean? I don't know. I
feel like... Coming from nowhere? No, I

1951
02:48:47,030 --> 02:48:53,430
just feel like maybe you're... just...
don't

1952
02:48:53,430 --> 02:48:56,750
want to portray something that might
hurt her.

1953
02:48:57,480 --> 02:49:00,200
Why would I not want to portray
something that might hurt her?

1954
02:49:01,720 --> 02:49:03,320
Because you care about her?

1955
02:49:12,460 --> 02:49:17,840
I'm not putting, I'm not really putting
my feelings into this.

1956
02:49:18,200 --> 02:49:24,420
Or I'm trying not to, I'm just trying to
be accurate.

1957
02:49:59,820 --> 02:50:00,820
Why are you smiling?